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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 337: How AI Impacts PR Agencies and Solos with Chip Griffin</p>
<p>Part 2 of a crossover episode. Part 1 aired on Chip Griffin's podcast, <a href='https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/'>Chats with Chip</a>.</p>
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode — Part 2 of a special crossover with returning guest Chip Griffin — hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane take a frank look at what the current landscape really means for PR, communications, and marketing pros who work independently or in small agencies. The conversation spans the mixed economic signals practitioners are seeing right now, why client ghosting is more 'not yet' than 'no,' and the urgent need to evolve beyond a reliance on traditional earned media. Chip makes a compelling case for business acumen as the most underrated skill in the industry, and the group digs into what it really means to speak the language of the C-suite — connecting communications work to outcomes that actually matter to clients. The episode closes with a practical challenge: listen more deeply to your clients and peers, and get serious about learning AI — not at a technical level, but at a practical one — because the agencies that don't evolve will simply get smaller.</p>
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Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:30] The Industry Mood: Mixed, Not Falling: Chip characterizes the current market as stagnant — not catastrophic, but not growing either. Many solos and agency owners find themselves in a tough holding pattern, uncertain whether to stay the course or make bold moves, with economic, political, and AI-related pressures all converging at once.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:45] AI and the Cost-Cutting Trap: Clients are scrutinizing spending, and some are asking whether AI means PR should now cost less. Chip warns that using AI purely as a cost-cutting tool is a race to the bottom — and as AI pricing rises, that strategy will backfire. The real opportunity is using AI to deliver more value, not just more efficiency.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:10] Client Ghosting: Reframe the Silence: Ghosting has been part of agency life for decades — Chip shares a story from the floppy disk era to prove it. His reframe: silence is an answer, and it almost always means 'not now,' not 'never.' Proposals can resurface months or even years later. The key is to keep having conversations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:00] Vetting Prospects Is Part of Business Development: Taking any client when revenue feels tight is tempting — but Karen and Chip both push back on this instinct. True business development means qualifying prospects for fit and readiness, being honest when the timing isn't right, and saving everyone from a mismatch that damages your reputation long-term.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:30] The Earned Media Reckoning: Karen names something she's observed for years: too many PR practitioners have over-relied on the earned media lever, without building out strategy or demonstrating broader value. As the media landscape shrinks, that single-lever approach is no longer enough. The PESO model — Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned — is the framework Chip points to for thinking more expansively.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[21:00] The Missing Skill: Business Acumen: When asked what skill gap stands out most, Chip doesn't hesitate — it's business sense. It affects how practitioners run their own businesses and how well they serve clients. Karen builds on this: having a seat at the table means nothing if you're still speaking the language of outputs rather than outcomes. Understanding what matters to the C-suite — and aligning your work to it — is the real differentiator.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[24:30] The 'So What' Factor: Michelle's simple test for every PR recommendation: so what? Can you connect each tactic or placement to a meaningful business outcome? If not, you're not speaking your client's leadership language — and your value will always be at risk.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[27:00] What to Do Right Now: Listen and Learn: Chip's advice for the next quarter or two: listen more carefully to how your clients' and prospects' businesses are actually changing, and invest serious time learning AI — not the geeky technical side, but the practical, 'how do I use this today' side. The practitioners who don't evolve in the next two years won't just look different — they'll be smaller.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
About Chip Griffin
<p>Chip Griffin is the founder of SAGA, where he works with owners of PR and marketing agencies to help them build businesses they actually want to own. An experienced entrepreneur and agency owner himself, Chip brings more than two decades of firsthand experience building, growing, buying, and selling businesses.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>His work focuses on advisory and consulting support for owner-led agencies navigating growth, profitability, talent challenges, and long-term planning. At the core of his approach is a belief that there is no reason to take on the risk and stress of ownership if the business does not give back what the owner wants from it.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Chip has held leadership roles inside agencies and global organizations, is a sought-after speaker and commentator, and has been creating content since the late 1990s.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Connect with Chip:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: <a href='https://sagaimpact.com'>sagaimpact.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Chats with Chip podcast: <a href='https://chatswithchip.com'>chatswithchip.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">LinkedIN: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/</a></li>
</ul>
<p>

</p>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">SAGA Impact (Chip's consultancy): <a href='https://sagaimpact.com'>sagaimpact.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How AI Impacts PR Agencies and Solos with Chip Griffin (Part 1 of this crossover): <a href='https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/'>https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro membership community: <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a></li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and practical advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Did this episode inspire you? If you found value in this conversation, please take a moment to leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more solo pros just like you! Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 337: How AI Impacts PR Agencies and Solos with Chip Griffin</p>
<p><em>Part 2 of a crossover episode. </em><em>Part 1 aired on Chip Griffin's podcast, </em><a href='https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/'><em>Chats with Chip</em></a><em>.</em></p>
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode — Part 2 of a special crossover with returning guest Chip Griffin — hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane take a frank look at what the current landscape really means for PR, communications, and marketing pros who work independently or in small agencies. The conversation spans the mixed economic signals practitioners are seeing right now, why client ghosting is more 'not yet' than 'no,' and the urgent need to evolve beyond a reliance on traditional earned media. Chip makes a compelling case for business acumen as the most underrated skill in the industry, and the group digs into what it really means to speak the language of the C-suite — connecting communications work to outcomes that actually matter to clients. The episode closes with a practical challenge: listen more deeply to your clients and peers, and get serious about learning AI — not at a technical level, but at a practical one — because the agencies that don't evolve will simply get smaller.</p>
<p> </p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:30] The Industry Mood: Mixed, Not Falling: Chip characterizes the current market as stagnant — not catastrophic, but not growing either. Many solos and agency owners find themselves in a tough holding pattern, uncertain whether to stay the course or make bold moves, with economic, political, and AI-related pressures all converging at once.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:45] AI and the Cost-Cutting Trap: Clients are scrutinizing spending, and some are asking whether AI means PR should now cost less. Chip warns that using AI purely as a cost-cutting tool is a race to the bottom — and as AI pricing rises, that strategy will backfire. The real opportunity is using AI to deliver more value, not just more efficiency.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:10] Client Ghosting: Reframe the Silence: Ghosting has been part of agency life for decades — Chip shares a story from the floppy disk era to prove it. His reframe: silence is an answer, and it almost always means 'not now,' not 'never.' Proposals can resurface months or even years later. The key is to keep having conversations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:00] Vetting Prospects Is Part of Business Development: Taking any client when revenue feels tight is tempting — but Karen and Chip both push back on this instinct. True business development means qualifying prospects for fit and readiness, being honest when the timing isn't right, and saving everyone from a mismatch that damages your reputation long-term.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:30] The Earned Media Reckoning: Karen names something she's observed for years: too many PR practitioners have over-relied on the earned media lever, without building out strategy or demonstrating broader value. As the media landscape shrinks, that single-lever approach is no longer enough. The PESO model — Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned — is the framework Chip points to for thinking more expansively.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[21:00] The Missing Skill: Business Acumen: When asked what skill gap stands out most, Chip doesn't hesitate — it's business sense. It affects how practitioners run their own businesses and how well they serve clients. Karen builds on this: having a seat at the table means nothing if you're still speaking the language of outputs rather than outcomes. Understanding what matters to the C-suite — and aligning your work to it — is the real differentiator.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[24:30] The 'So What' Factor: Michelle's simple test for every PR recommendation: so what? Can you connect each tactic or placement to a meaningful business outcome? If not, you're not speaking your client's leadership language — and your value will always be at risk.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[27:00] What to Do Right Now: Listen and Learn: Chip's advice for the next quarter or two: listen more carefully to how your clients' and prospects' businesses are actually changing, and invest serious time learning AI — not the geeky technical side, but the practical, 'how do I use this today' side. The practitioners who don't evolve in the next two years won't just look different — they'll be smaller.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
About Chip Griffin
<p>Chip Griffin is the founder of SAGA, where he works with owners of PR and marketing agencies to help them build businesses they actually want to own. An experienced entrepreneur and agency owner himself, Chip brings more than two decades of firsthand experience building, growing, buying, and selling businesses.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>His work focuses on advisory and consulting support for owner-led agencies navigating growth, profitability, talent challenges, and long-term planning. At the core of his approach is a belief that there is no reason to take on the risk and stress of ownership if the business does not give back what the owner wants from it.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Chip has held leadership roles inside agencies and global organizations, is a sought-after speaker and commentator, and has been creating content since the late 1990s.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Connect with Chip:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: <a href='https://sagaimpact.com'>sagaimpact.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Chats with Chip podcast: <a href='https://chatswithchip.com'>chatswithchip.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">LinkedIN: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/</a></li>
</ul>
<p><br>
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</p>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">SAGA Impact (Chip's consultancy): <a href='https://sagaimpact.com'>sagaimpact.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How AI Impacts PR Agencies and Solos with Chip Griffin (Part 1 of this crossover): <a href='https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/'>https://sagaimpact.com/how-ai-impacts-pr-agencies-and-solos/</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro membership community: <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a></li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and practical advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Did this episode inspire you? If you found value in this conversation, please take a moment to leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more solo pros just like you! Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.</p>
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Part 2 of a crossover episode. Part 1 aired on Chip Griffin's podcast, Chats with Chip.
Episode Summary
In this episode — Part 2 of a special crossover with returning guest Chip Griffin — hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane take a frank look at what the current landscape really means for PR, communications, and marketing pros who work independently or in small agencies. The conversation spans the mixed economic signals practitioners are seeing right now, why client ghosting is more 'not yet' than 'no,' and the urgent need to evolve beyond a reliance on traditional earned media. Chip makes a compelling case for business acumen as the most underrated skill in the industry, and the group digs into what it really means to speak the language of the C-suite — connecting communications work to outcomes that actually matter to clients. The episode closes with a practical challenge: listen more deeply to your clients and peers, and get serious about learning AI — not at a technical level, but at a practical one — because the agencies that don't evolve will simply get smaller.
 
Episode Highlights

[01:30] The Industry Mood: Mixed, Not Falling: Chip characterizes the current market as stagnant — not catastrophic, but not growing either. Many solos and agency owners find themselves in a tough holding pattern, uncertain whether to stay the course or make bold moves, with economic, political, and AI-related pressures all converging at once.
[04:45] AI and the Cost-Cutting Trap: Clients are scrutinizing spending, and some are asking whether AI means PR should now cost less. Chip warns that using AI purely as a cost-cutting tool is a race to the bottom — and as AI pricing rises, that strategy will backfire. The real opportunity is using AI to deliver more value, not just more efficiency.
[07:10] Client Ghosting: Reframe the Silence: Ghosting has been part of agency life for decades — Chip shares a story from the floppy disk era to prove it. His reframe: silence is an answer, and it almost always means 'not now,' not 'never.' Proposals can resurface months or even years later. The key is to keep having conversations.
[11:00] Vetting Prospects Is Part of Business Development: Taking any client when revenue feels tight is tempting — but Karen and Chip both push back on this instinct. True business development means qualifying prospects for fit and readiness, being honest when the timing isn't right, and saving everyone from a mismatch that damages your reputation long-term.
[14:30] The Earned Media Reckoning: Karen names something she's observed for years: too many PR practitioners have over-relied on the earned media lever, without building out strategy or demonstrating broader value. As the media landscape shrinks, that single-lever approach is no longer enough. The PESO model — Paid, Earned, Shared, Owned — is the framework Chip points to for thinking more expansively.
[21:00] The Missing Skill: Business Acumen: When asked what skill gap stands out most, Chip doesn't hesitate — it's business sense. It affects how practitioners run their own businesses and how well they serve clients. Karen builds on this: having a seat at the table means nothing if you're still speaking the language of outputs rather than outcomes. Understanding what matters to the C-suite — and aligning your work to it — is the real differentiator.
[24:30] The 'So What' Factor: Michelle's simple test for every PR recommendation: so what? Can you connect each tactic or placement to a meaningful business outcome? If not, you're not speaking your client's leadership language — and your value will always be at risk.
[27:00] What to Do Right Now: Listen and Learn: Chip's advice for the next quarter or two: listen more carefully to how your clients' and prospects' businesses are actually changing, and invest serious time learning AI — not the geeky technical side, but the practical, 'how]]></itunes:summary>
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<p>Episode Summary
That Solo Life hosts, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Karen return from a much-needed hiatus to kick off a brand-new season of That Solo Life! In this episode, they discuss why taking a pause is vital for solo practitioners and how you can better care for yourself. The hosts explore what it means to be a solo business owner right now and why we must look at our lives holistically. From managing "super adult" issues like raising kids and caring for aging parents to battling burnout in a fast-paced media landscape, they share honest advice on protecting your energy. You will learn why it is perfectly fine to pivot, reinvent your business, and redefine what productivity means for you today.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:37] – The hosts return from their break and discuss why stepping away is necessary.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:33] – Rethinking the solo landscape to build a business that truly lights you up.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] – Why community matters and how we must address our needs holistically.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:55] – Navigating "super adult issues" while trying to run a business.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:32] – How highly sensitive practitioners can protect their energy and stay replenished.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:22] – Why you are not locked into your old business model and how to safely pivot.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:16] – A sneak peek at the diverse and expert voices joining the show this season.</li>
</ul>
<p>Listen to a few of our most popular episodes:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/navigating-public-information-campaigns-and-crisis-comms-with-cyndee-woolley/'>Navigating Public Information Campaigns and Crisis Comms with Cyndee Woolley</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/teaching-clients-the-value-of-patience-in-pr-episode-331/'>Teaching Clients the Value of Patience in PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/the-new-alphabet-of-pr-from-aeo-to-peso/'>The New Alphabet of PR - From AEO to PESO</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. You can catch up on previous episodes at www.thatsololife.com.</p>
<p>Join the Conversation!
Do not miss an episode of our exciting new season! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform today. If you want to connect with other professionals who truly understand your daily challenges, join the Solo PR Pro community and share your thoughts on this episode.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Returns with New Episodes
<p>Episode Summary<br>
That Solo Life hosts, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Karen return from a much-needed hiatus to kick off a brand-new season of That Solo Life! In this episode, they discuss why taking a pause is vital for solo practitioners and how you can better care for yourself. The hosts explore what it means to be a solo business owner right now and why we must look at our lives holistically. From managing "super adult" issues like raising kids and caring for aging parents to battling burnout in a fast-paced media landscape, they share honest advice on protecting your energy. You will learn why it is perfectly fine to pivot, reinvent your business, and redefine what productivity means for you today.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:37] – The hosts return from their break and discuss why stepping away is necessary.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:33] – Rethinking the solo landscape to build a business that truly lights you up.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] – Why community matters and how we must address our needs holistically.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:55] – Navigating "super adult issues" while trying to run a business.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:32] – How highly sensitive practitioners can protect their energy and stay replenished.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:22] – Why you are not locked into your old business model and how to safely pivot.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:16] – A sneak peek at the diverse and expert voices joining the show this season.</li>
</ul>
<p>Listen to a few of our most popular episodes:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/navigating-public-information-campaigns-and-crisis-comms-with-cyndee-woolley/'>Navigating Public Information Campaigns and Crisis Comms with Cyndee Woolley</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/teaching-clients-the-value-of-patience-in-pr-episode-331/'>Teaching Clients the Value of Patience in PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.thatsololife.com/the-new-alphabet-of-pr-from-aeo-to-peso/'>The New Alphabet of PR - From AEO to PESO</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info<br>
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. You can catch up on previous episodes at www.thatsololife.com.</p>
<p>Join the Conversation!<br>
Do not miss an episode of our exciting new season! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform today. If you want to connect with other professionals who truly understand your daily challenges, join the Solo PR Pro community and share your thoughts on this episode.</p>
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Episode SummaryThat Solo Life hosts, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Karen return from a much-needed hiatus to kick off a brand-new season of That Solo Life! In this episode, they discuss why taking a pause is vital for solo practitioners and how you can better care for yourself. The hosts explore what it means to be a solo business owner right now and why we must look at our lives holistically. From managing "super adult" issues like raising kids and caring for aging parents to battling burnout in a fast-paced media landscape, they share honest advice on protecting your energy. You will learn why it is perfectly fine to pivot, reinvent your business, and redefine what productivity means for you today.
Episode Highlights

[00:37] – The hosts return from their break and discuss why stepping away is necessary.
[01:33] – Rethinking the solo landscape to build a business that truly lights you up.
[02:26] – Why community matters and how we must address our needs holistically.
[03:55] – Navigating "super adult issues" while trying to run a business.
[05:32] – How highly sensitive practitioners can protect their energy and stay replenished.
[07:22] – Why you are not locked into your old business model and how to safely pivot.
[10:16] – A sneak peek at the diverse and expert voices joining the show this season.

Listen to a few of our most popular episodes:

Navigating Public Information Campaigns and Crisis Comms with Cyndee Woolley
Teaching Clients the Value of Patience in PR
The New Alphabet of PR - From AEO to PESO

Host &amp; Show InfoThat Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. You can catch up on previous episodes at www.thatsololife.com.
Join the Conversation!Do not miss an episode of our exciting new season! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform today. If you want to connect with other professionals who truly understand your daily challenges, join the Solo PR Pro community and share your thoughts on this episode.]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Episode 335: Navigating Public Information Campaigns and Crisis Comms with Cyndee Woolley
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane are joined by Cyndee Woolley, MBA, APR, President and Founder of C2 Communications. Together, they dive deep into the nuanced world of public information campaigns and crisis communications for local communities. While national headlines often grab the most attention, Cyndee explains why decisions made at county commission meetings and in local municipalities often have a more direct impact on our daily lives.</p>
<p>Cyndee shares her extensive experience working with organizations like Waste Management and mosquito control districts to turn dry, often misunderstood topics into engaging community stories. From "bear-resistant carts" to turning landfill gas into energy, she illustrates how strategic messaging can cut through the clutter. The conversation also tackles the critical importance of crisis communications for small businesses and local leaders. Cyndee offers candid advice on why "owning it" and apologizing is often the best strategy when trust is broken, and why every PR pro needs to pass the "Mom Test" before releasing a statement.</p>
<p>Whether you are a solo PR pro looking to better serve local clients or a communicator interested in the power of community engagement, this episode is packed with actionable insights on building trust and activating audiences.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:01] Public Information Campaigns: Cyndee discusses the challenges of getting communities to understand government services and how local decisions impact daily life more than national ones.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:38] The Recycling Reality: Insight into the misinformation surrounding recycling and how tours and transparency can change public perception.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:39] Creative Storytelling: How Cyndee used "bear-resistant carts" and landfill gas-to-energy stories to engage the public in waste management topics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:10] Crisis Communications for Small Business: Why even small organizations need a plan for when—not if—a crisis occurs, from employee misconduct to leadership failures.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:12] The Power of the Apology: A look at real-world examples where refusing to apologize prolonged a crisis, versus how owning mistakes can help rebuild trust.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:51] The "Mom Test": A simple but powerful metric for decision-making in crisis management—would your mom be proud of the action you are taking?</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[21:47] Case Study - Mosquito Control: How the Zika crisis transformed a quiet organization into a proactive communicator by opening doors to community leaders.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:50] Activating Audiences: Why tangible, meaningful involvement (like planting gardens) beats passive information consumption every time.</li>
</ul>
About Cyndee Woolley
<p>Cyndee Woolley, MBA, APR, is the President and Founder of C2 Communications. She has built her career on the principle that effective communication requires more than just data—it demands strategic messaging that resonates authentically. Cyndee specializes in community outreach and public information campaigns, helping organizations navigate complex challenges and build lasting trust with their stakeholders. She is a passionate advocate for the profession and a "giant nerd" when it comes to learning new story angles and tools.</p>
<p>Connect with Cyndee:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cyndeewoolley/'>LinkedIn Profile</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: <a href='https://c2-com.com'>C2-com.com</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Stay Connected:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Subscribe to the Podcast: Don't miss an episode! Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to get the latest tips and tricks for your solo PR journey.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the Community: Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> for resources, networking, and support designed specifically for independent communicators.</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review and share it with a colleague!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode 335: Navigating Public Information Campaigns and Crisis Comms with Cyndee Woolley
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane are joined by Cyndee Woolley, MBA, APR, President and Founder of C2 Communications. Together, they dive deep into the nuanced world of public information campaigns and crisis communications for local communities. While national headlines often grab the most attention, Cyndee explains why decisions made at county commission meetings and in local municipalities often have a more direct impact on our daily lives.</p>
<p>Cyndee shares her extensive experience working with organizations like Waste Management and mosquito control districts to turn dry, often misunderstood topics into engaging community stories. From "bear-resistant carts" to turning landfill gas into energy, she illustrates how strategic messaging can cut through the clutter. The conversation also tackles the critical importance of crisis communications for small businesses and local leaders. Cyndee offers candid advice on why "owning it" and apologizing is often the best strategy when trust is broken, and why every PR pro needs to pass the "Mom Test" before releasing a statement.</p>
<p>Whether you are a solo PR pro looking to better serve local clients or a communicator interested in the power of community engagement, this episode is packed with actionable insights on building trust and activating audiences.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:01] Public Information Campaigns: Cyndee discusses the challenges of getting communities to understand government services and how local decisions impact daily life more than national ones.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:38] The Recycling Reality: Insight into the misinformation surrounding recycling and how tours and transparency can change public perception.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:39] Creative Storytelling: How Cyndee used "bear-resistant carts" and landfill gas-to-energy stories to engage the public in waste management topics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:10] Crisis Communications for Small Business: Why even small organizations need a plan for when—not if—a crisis occurs, from employee misconduct to leadership failures.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:12] The Power of the Apology: A look at real-world examples where refusing to apologize prolonged a crisis, versus how owning mistakes can help rebuild trust.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:51] The "Mom Test": A simple but powerful metric for decision-making in crisis management—would your mom be proud of the action you are taking?</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[21:47] Case Study - Mosquito Control: How the Zika crisis transformed a quiet organization into a proactive communicator by opening doors to community leaders.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:50] Activating Audiences: Why tangible, meaningful involvement (like planting gardens) beats passive information consumption every time.</li>
</ul>
About Cyndee Woolley
<p>Cyndee Woolley, MBA, APR, is the President and Founder of C2 Communications. She has built her career on the principle that effective communication requires more than just data—it demands strategic messaging that resonates authentically. Cyndee specializes in community outreach and public information campaigns, helping organizations navigate complex challenges and build lasting trust with their stakeholders. She is a passionate advocate for the profession and a "giant nerd" when it comes to learning new story angles and tools.</p>
<p>Connect with Cyndee:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cyndeewoolley/'>LinkedIn Profile</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: <a href='https://c2-com.com'>C2-com.com</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Stay Connected:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Subscribe to the Podcast: Don't miss an episode! Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to get the latest tips and tricks for your solo PR journey.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the Community: Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> for resources, networking, and support designed specifically for independent communicators.</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Please leave us a review and share it with a colleague!</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Episode Summary
<p>In a world increasingly driven by data, frameworks, and efficiency, are we losing the human element in public relations? This week, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle the critical need for brands to prioritize people over processes. They explore how the over-reliance on analytics, scripts, and rigid systems can lead to poor customer experiences and stifle professional growth. From the frustrations of automated service lines to the undervaluing of professional instinct and critical thinking, this episode is a passionate call for PR and communications pros to champion a more people-first approach in their strategies.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:39] The "Read the Room" Imperative: Why it's essential for PR professionals to craft messaging that respects the audience and current circumstances, ensuring we don't lose sight of the people we serve.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:24] People as an Afterthought: A discussion on the troubling trend where frameworks, efficiency, and bottom lines overshadow the human connections that public relations is built on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:03] The Limits of Data: While data is important, it isn't everything. The hosts use a baseball analogy to illustrate the importance of gut instinct and human experience in decision-making.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:01] The Decline of Critical Thinking: How rigid frameworks and an obsession with efficiency are hindering the development of critical thinking skills for both seasoned and emerging professionals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:49] The Practitioner's Dilemma: Navigating the conflict between people-led PR training and being measured by numbers, quotas, and processes that often ignore the human impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:07] Lived Experience is Valuable: The importance of on-the-ground knowledge and why ignoring local insights in favor of broad data can lead to misguided strategies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:16] Critical Thinking Isn't Dead, It's Devalued: A powerful argument that smart people with innovative ideas are often unheard because organizations fail to make room for human intellect and nuance.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>For more resources and discussions tailored to independent PR professionals, explore the community and articles available at SoloPRPro.com.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this conversation resonate with you? Share this episode with a fellow PR pro who champions a people-first approach. Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review to help others find the show.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode Summary
<p>In a world increasingly driven by data, frameworks, and efficiency, are we losing the human element in public relations? This week, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle the critical need for brands to prioritize people over processes. They explore how the over-reliance on analytics, scripts, and rigid systems can lead to poor customer experiences and stifle professional growth. From the frustrations of automated service lines to the undervaluing of professional instinct and critical thinking, this episode is a passionate call for PR and communications pros to champion a more people-first approach in their strategies.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:39] The "Read the Room" Imperative: Why it's essential for PR professionals to craft messaging that respects the audience and current circumstances, ensuring we don't lose sight of the people we serve.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:24] People as an Afterthought: A discussion on the troubling trend where frameworks, efficiency, and bottom lines overshadow the human connections that public relations is built on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:03] The Limits of Data: While data is important, it isn't everything. The hosts use a baseball analogy to illustrate the importance of gut instinct and human experience in decision-making.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:01] The Decline of Critical Thinking: How rigid frameworks and an obsession with efficiency are hindering the development of critical thinking skills for both seasoned and emerging professionals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:49] The Practitioner's Dilemma: Navigating the conflict between people-led PR training and being measured by numbers, quotas, and processes that often ignore the human impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:07] Lived Experience is Valuable: The importance of on-the-ground knowledge and why ignoring local insights in favor of broad data can lead to misguided strategies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:16] Critical Thinking Isn't Dead, It's Devalued: A powerful argument that smart people with innovative ideas are often unheard because organizations fail to make room for human intellect and nuance.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>For more resources and discussions tailored to independent PR professionals, explore the community and articles available at SoloPRPro.com.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this conversation resonate with you? Share this episode with a fellow PR pro who champions a people-first approach. Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review to help others find the show.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Silent Risk: How Corporate Citizenship Navigates the Storm of Social Upheaval
Episode Summary
<p>In today’s polarized and fast-moving world, organizations often struggle with determining when to speak up and when to stay silent. In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane tackle the complex issue of corporate communication during times of social unrest and public crisis. They explore the critical difference between advocacy and activism, and why ignoring major events can sometimes be riskier than taking a stance.</p>
<p>The discussion delves into how internal audiences—your employees—are often the most impacted by a company's silence. Karen and Michelle provide practical advice for PR pros and communicators on guiding clients through these tricky waters, emphasizing that while you don't need to comment on every headline, you must always advocate for the humanity and safety of your people. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation on navigating the nuance of corporate responsibility in modern times.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:53] Introduction to the topic: Navigating corporate silence during times of unrest.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:08] The shift during COVID: How expectations for corporate citizenship have evolved.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:26] Identifying your first audience: Why employees matter most when deciding to speak out.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:26] Advocacy vs. Activism: Understanding the distinction and why every company needs to engage in advocacy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:53] The impact of local events: How safety concerns affect employee morale and mental health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:41] The bottom line: Why employee well-being is directly tied to profit and organizational health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:28] Back to basics: Using ethical principles and core values as a decision-making prism.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:19] Empowering employees: How autonomy builds trust and stronger customer service.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:26] The PR pro as "Risk Translator": Our role in guiding leadership through uncertainty.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[20:58] Self-care for communicators: The importance of refilling your own cup so you can lead with clarity.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News Article: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/silence-statements-or-stands-what-the-minnesota-ice-crisis-reveals-about-corporate-activism/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=fridayfive013026&amp;utm_content=ff01&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Silence, Statements or Stands: What the Minnesota ICE Crisis Reveals About Corporate Activism</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News Article: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/silence-used-to-feel-safer-it-isnt-always-not-anymore/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=fridayfive013026&amp;utm_content=ff04&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Silence Used to Feel Safer. It Isn’t Always. Not Anymore.</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode?
Don't navigate the solo life alone! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an insight. If you found value in today's discussion, please leave us a review and share this episode with a colleague who needs to hear it. Join the conversation and connect with your community at <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Silent Risk: How Corporate Citizenship Navigates the Storm of Social Upheaval
Episode Summary
<p>In today’s polarized and fast-moving world, organizations often struggle with determining when to speak up and when to stay silent. In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane tackle the complex issue of corporate communication during times of social unrest and public crisis. They explore the critical difference between advocacy and activism, and why ignoring major events can sometimes be riskier than taking a stance.</p>
<p>The discussion delves into how internal audiences—your employees—are often the most impacted by a company's silence. Karen and Michelle provide practical advice for PR pros and communicators on guiding clients through these tricky waters, emphasizing that while you don't need to comment on every headline, you must always advocate for the humanity and safety of your people. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation on navigating the nuance of corporate responsibility in modern times.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:53] Introduction to the topic: Navigating corporate silence during times of unrest.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:08] The shift during COVID: How expectations for corporate citizenship have evolved.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:26] Identifying your first audience: Why employees matter most when deciding to speak out.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:26] Advocacy vs. Activism: Understanding the distinction and why every company needs to engage in advocacy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:53] The impact of local events: How safety concerns affect employee morale and mental health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:41] The bottom line: Why employee well-being is directly tied to profit and organizational health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:28] Back to basics: Using ethical principles and core values as a decision-making prism.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:19] Empowering employees: How autonomy builds trust and stronger customer service.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:26] The PR pro as "Risk Translator": Our role in guiding leadership through uncertainty.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[20:58] Self-care for communicators: The importance of refilling your own cup so you can lead with clarity.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News Article: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/silence-statements-or-stands-what-the-minnesota-ice-crisis-reveals-about-corporate-activism/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=fridayfive013026&amp;utm_content=ff01&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Silence, Statements or Stands: What the Minnesota ICE Crisis Reveals About Corporate Activism</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News Article: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/silence-used-to-feel-safer-it-isnt-always-not-anymore/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=fridayfive013026&amp;utm_content=ff04&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Silence Used to Feel Safer. It Isn’t Always. Not Anymore.</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode?<br>
Don't navigate the solo life alone! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an insight. If you found value in today's discussion, please leave us a review and share this episode with a colleague who needs to hear it. Join the conversation and connect with your community at <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle are joined by Doug Simon, CEO of D S Simon Media, to explore the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on the public relations landscape. Doug shares invaluable insights on how AI is fundamentally changing content discoverability and why PR professionals, especially solo practitioners, must adapt to stay relevant. He discusses the shift to AI-powered search, the importance of optimizing content to answer audience questions, and how this new reality validates the long-standing PR principle of human-centric communication. Tune in to learn practical strategies for leveraging AI, insights from a recent survey of TV producers, and why your brand's own experts may be your most powerful spokespeople in the age of AI.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:16] The Transformative Role of AI in PR: Doug explains that leveraging AI is no longer optional but a requirement for modern PR. He discusses how AI impacts everything from content creation and research to enhancing brand discoverability.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:24] AI as a Force Multiplier for Solos: Learn how solo practitioners can use AI as a powerful "intern" to extend their capabilities, from brainstorming and content drafting to design and strategy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:20] Optimizing Content for AI Search: The key to discoverability is answering the questions your audience is asking. Doug shares a case study with the Fragrance Foundation on how to identify these questions and integrate them into your PR and content strategy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:04] What TV Producers Want: Doug reveals preliminary findings from his company's survey on how TV producers are using AI. A key stat: 62% are more likely to run a story if it's optimized for AI search.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[17:14] AI Validates Human-Centric Storytelling: The hosts and Doug discuss the irony that AI is forcing brands to communicate more humanly—ditching jargon and focusing on authentic storytelling that answers real questions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:01] The Power of Internal Spokespeople: Discover why, in the age of AI, using your organization's own experts for media campaigns can be more effective than hiring third-party influencers, leading to more earned media and stronger brand association.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[22:27] A Final Word for Solos: Doug encourages solo practitioners to take a moment to recognize their accomplishments before diving back into the work of helping their clients succeed.</li>
</ul>
About Doug Simon
<p>Doug Simon is the founder and CEO of the award-winning firm, D S Simon Media. A recognized innovator in broadcast public relations, his company created the industry's first AI-powered broadcast media tour. With a background that includes working at NBC Sports and becoming an "accidental entrepreneur" on July 4, 1986, Doug has been at the forefront of media communications for nearly four decades. He is a frequent speaker and expert on the intersection of AI, media, and public relations.</p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Doug Simon on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougsimon/'>LinkedIn</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Email Doug: <a href='mailto:DougS@DSSimonMedia.com'>DougS@DSSimonMedia.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about <a href='https://www.dssimonmedia.com/'>D S Simon Media</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 329: <a href='https://youtu.be/gPqRMOHwfpE?si=CR21-F4CSmGk7x8B'>The New Alphabet of PR: From AEO to PESO</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>We hope this episode was valuable! Please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a fellow solo pro.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 332: Why AI Search Optimization Matters for PR
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle are joined by Doug Simon, CEO of D S Simon Media, to explore the transformative impact of artificial intelligence on the public relations landscape. Doug shares invaluable insights on how AI is fundamentally changing content discoverability and why PR professionals, especially solo practitioners, must adapt to stay relevant. He discusses the shift to AI-powered search, the importance of optimizing content to answer audience questions, and how this new reality validates the long-standing PR principle of human-centric communication. Tune in to learn practical strategies for leveraging AI, insights from a recent survey of TV producers, and why your brand's own experts may be your most powerful spokespeople in the age of AI.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:16] The Transformative Role of AI in PR: Doug explains that leveraging AI is no longer optional but a requirement for modern PR. He discusses how AI impacts everything from content creation and research to enhancing brand discoverability.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:24] AI as a Force Multiplier for Solos: Learn how solo practitioners can use AI as a powerful "intern" to extend their capabilities, from brainstorming and content drafting to design and strategy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:20] Optimizing Content for AI Search: The key to discoverability is answering the questions your audience is asking. Doug shares a case study with the Fragrance Foundation on how to identify these questions and integrate them into your PR and content strategy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:04] What TV Producers Want: Doug reveals preliminary findings from his company's survey on how TV producers are using AI. A key stat: 62% are more likely to run a story if it's optimized for AI search.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[17:14] AI Validates Human-Centric Storytelling: The hosts and Doug discuss the irony that AI is forcing brands to communicate more humanly—ditching jargon and focusing on authentic storytelling that answers real questions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:01] The Power of Internal Spokespeople: Discover why, in the age of AI, using your organization's own experts for media campaigns can be more effective than hiring third-party influencers, leading to more earned media and stronger brand association.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[22:27] A Final Word for Solos: Doug encourages solo practitioners to take a moment to recognize their accomplishments before diving back into the work of helping their clients succeed.</li>
</ul>
About Doug Simon
<p>Doug Simon is the founder and CEO of the award-winning firm, D S Simon Media. A recognized innovator in broadcast public relations, his company created the industry's first AI-powered broadcast media tour. With a background that includes working at NBC Sports and becoming an "accidental entrepreneur" on July 4, 1986, Doug has been at the forefront of media communications for nearly four decades. He is a frequent speaker and expert on the intersection of AI, media, and public relations.</p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Doug Simon on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/dougsimon/'>LinkedIn</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Email Doug: <a href='mailto:DougS@DSSimonMedia.com'>DougS@DSSimonMedia.com</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about <a href='https://www.dssimonmedia.com/'>D S Simon Media</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 329: <a href='https://youtu.be/gPqRMOHwfpE?si=CR21-F4CSmGk7x8B'>The New Alphabet of PR: From AEO to PESO</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>We hope this episode was valuable! Please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with a fellow solo pro.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Teaching Clients The Value Of Patience In PR
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle a common frustration for PR professionals: managing unrealistic client expectations. We have all heard the requests to "make it go viral" or "get us on the Today Show" immediately. While these aren't bad goals, they are often the wrong strategy for sustainable business growth.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss why public relations isn't failing, but rather why clients might be hiring pros for the wrong reasons. They explore the "shiny object" syndrome and why one-hit wonders rarely build lasting credibility. The conversation digs deep into the psychology of the client relationship, revealing how impatience often stems from fear and a lack of trust. You will learn how to build trust during the business development phase, how to proactively address objections, and why you must be willing to walk away from business that forces you to work in panic mode.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:41 – The Core Issue: Karen introduces the topic: PR isn't failing, but clients may be hiring you for the wrong reasons or with the wrong understanding of the industry.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:12 – The "Viral" Trap: Michelle discusses the common client desire for instant fame and why hitting a specific trade publication is often far more valuable than a flash-in-the-pan viral moment.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:35 – Sustainability vs. Visibility: Why a single hit on a morning show doesn't equate to long-term credibility or sustainable business impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:34 – Rocking the Boat: The importance of educating clients and setting the right expectations early, even if it feels risky during the sales process.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:50 – The Trust Factor: Karen identifies that client impatience is often a symptom of distrust or fear about their investment, and how pros can address this head-on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:47 – Honesty Wins: Why telling a client "no" regarding unrealistic timelines (like speaking engagements) actually builds your authority and trust.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:20 – Protecting Your Peace: A reminder never to let a client's lack of patience force you into working under pressure and panic.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> for more tools, resources, and community for independent PR practitioners.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the Community: Connect with other solo pros and get the support you need to navigate your business journey.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Enjoyed this episode?
Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an insight! If you found value in today's discussion, please leave us a review and share this episode with a colleague who needs to hear it. Your support helps us continue to bring you the best advice for your solo journey.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Teaching Clients The Value Of Patience In PR
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle a common frustration for PR professionals: managing unrealistic client expectations. We have all heard the requests to "make it go viral" or "get us on the Today Show" immediately. While these aren't bad goals, they are often the wrong strategy for sustainable business growth.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss why public relations isn't failing, but rather why clients might be hiring pros for the wrong reasons. They explore the "shiny object" syndrome and why one-hit wonders rarely build lasting credibility. The conversation digs deep into the psychology of the client relationship, revealing how impatience often stems from fear and a lack of trust. You will learn how to build trust during the business development phase, how to proactively address objections, and why you must be willing to walk away from business that forces you to work in panic mode.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:41 – The Core Issue: Karen introduces the topic: PR isn't failing, but clients may be hiring you for the wrong reasons or with the wrong understanding of the industry.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:12 – The "Viral" Trap: Michelle discusses the common client desire for instant fame and why hitting a specific trade publication is often far more valuable than a flash-in-the-pan viral moment.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:35 – Sustainability vs. Visibility: Why a single hit on a morning show doesn't equate to long-term credibility or sustainable business impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:34 – Rocking the Boat: The importance of educating clients and setting the right expectations early, even if it feels risky during the sales process.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:50 – The Trust Factor: Karen identifies that client impatience is often a symptom of distrust or fear about their investment, and how pros can address this head-on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:47 – Honesty Wins: Why telling a client "no" regarding unrealistic timelines (like speaking engagements) actually builds your authority and trust.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:20 – Protecting Your Peace: A reminder never to let a client's lack of patience force you into working under pressure and panic.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Website: Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> for more tools, resources, and community for independent PR practitioners.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the Community: Connect with other solo pros and get the support you need to navigate your business journey.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Enjoyed this episode?<br>
Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an insight! If you found value in today's discussion, please leave us a review and share this episode with a colleague who needs to hear it. Your support helps us continue to bring you the best advice for your solo journey.</p>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-title-of-tsl_episode_3319gqjo/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2026 07:27:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[How Solo PR Pros Can Use RFPs To Land New Business
<p>Episode 330</p>
Episode Summary
<p>In this new year, many independent communications professionals are often looking for ways to make some noise and grow their businesses. For some, that path may lead to the dreaded Request for Proposal (RFP). In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane tackle the topic we all "love to hate." While RFPs can sometimes feel like a heavy lift for a solo practitioner, they remain a vital avenue for securing work with corporations, government entities, and nonprofits.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle break down how to stop fearing the process and start strategizing for success. They discuss the importance of discerning which opportunities are worth your time, how to humanize a sterile bidding process, and why relationships often trump qualifications on paper. Whether you are looking to streamline your proposal workflow with an asset library or wondering how to use AI as a thinking partner, this episode offers practical tips to help you turn the RFP process from a burden into a winning business strategy.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:01:26] The Necessary Evil: Introduction to RFPs as a topic and why they are a valid pathway to new work in the current business climate.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:03:24] decoding the "Cattle Call": Distinguishing between different types of RFPs—from government contracts to open calls on PR sites—and determining which are worth the effort.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:04:51] The Human Element: Why you should always try to move beyond the document to have a personal conversation or "discovery call" before submitting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:05:37] Red Flags and Alignment: How to spot budget mismatches early and decide if a prospect aligns with your values before you write a single word.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:09:32] Streamlining the Workflow: Tips for building a "library of assets," including case studies and testimonials, so you never have to start a proposal from scratch.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:10:15] AI as a Strategist: Using artificial intelligence to perform SWOT analyses on prospective clients to demonstrate big-picture thinking in your response.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:14:47] Standing Out Visually: How to use creative elements, visuals, and even audio/video to showcase your personality and brand alignment.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-evaluate-rfp-opportunities'>How to Evaluate RFP Opportunities</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/succeeding-at-business-development-in-a-tough-year/'>Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 313: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/strategies-for-securing-new-pr-business-in-2025/'>Strategies for Securing New PR Business</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the conversation and share your own RFP success stories (or horror stories) with the community.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ready to take your solo business to the next level in 2026?
Don't navigate this journey alone! Subscribe to the <a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325'>Solo PR Pro Youtube channel</a> for That Solo Life episodes and actionable tips and insights. If you found value in today’s discussion about RFPs, please leave us a review and share this episode with a fellow communication professional.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[How Solo PR Pros Can Use RFPs To Land New Business
<p>Episode 330</p>
Episode Summary
<p>In this new year, many independent communications professionals are often looking for ways to make some noise and grow their businesses. For some, that path may lead to the dreaded Request for Proposal (RFP). In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane tackle the topic we all "love to hate." While RFPs can sometimes feel like a heavy lift for a solo practitioner, they remain a vital avenue for securing work with corporations, government entities, and nonprofits.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle break down how to stop fearing the process and start strategizing for success. They discuss the importance of discerning which opportunities are worth your time, how to humanize a sterile bidding process, and why relationships often trump qualifications on paper. Whether you are looking to streamline your proposal workflow with an asset library or wondering how to use AI as a thinking partner, this episode offers practical tips to help you turn the RFP process from a burden into a winning business strategy.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:01:26] The Necessary Evil: Introduction to RFPs as a topic and why they are a valid pathway to new work in the current business climate.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:03:24] decoding the "Cattle Call": Distinguishing between different types of RFPs—from government contracts to open calls on PR sites—and determining which are worth the effort.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:04:51] The Human Element: Why you should always try to move beyond the document to have a personal conversation or "discovery call" before submitting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:05:37] Red Flags and Alignment: How to spot budget mismatches early and decide if a prospect aligns with your values before you write a single word.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:09:32] Streamlining the Workflow: Tips for building a "library of assets," including case studies and testimonials, so you never have to start a proposal from scratch.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:10:15] AI as a Strategist: Using artificial intelligence to perform SWOT analyses on prospective clients to demonstrate big-picture thinking in your response.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:14:47] Standing Out Visually: How to use creative elements, visuals, and even audio/video to showcase your personality and brand alignment.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-evaluate-rfp-opportunities'>How to Evaluate RFP Opportunities</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/succeeding-at-business-development-in-a-tough-year/'>Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 313: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/strategies-for-securing-new-pr-business-in-2025/'>Strategies for Securing New PR Business</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Join the conversation and share your own RFP success stories (or horror stories) with the community.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Ready to take your solo business to the next level in 2026?<br>
Don't navigate this journey alone! Subscribe to the <a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325'>Solo PR Pro Youtube channel</a> for That Solo Life episodes and actionable tips and insights. If you found value in today’s discussion about RFPs, please leave us a review and share this episode with a fellow communication professional.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 329: The New Alphabet of PR - From AEO to PESO
<p>Episode Summary</p>
<p>In this highly anticipated episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome industry legend Gini Dietrich, founder of Spin Sucks and creator of the PESO Model. Together, they dive deep into the current state of public relations and what lies ahead for 2026.</p>
<p>The conversation tackles the pervasive topic of AI, moving beyond simple prompting to discuss how PR pros can teach clients to integrate AI into their workflows strategically. Gini addresses recent online debates regarding the evolution of the PESO model, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking in our industry. The trio also explores the concept of "Visibility Engineering"—how to ensure your brand shows up in AI-generated search answers through robust owned and earned media strategies. Finally, they remind listeners that despite technological advances, human storytelling remains the heart of the profession.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:52] Gini discusses the current landscape of PR and the ubiquity of AI.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:28] Addressing the critics: Has the PESO model really not been updated in a decade? Gini sets the record straight.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:54] The opportunity for PR pros in 2026: Teaching clients how to incorporate AI into systems and workflows, not just how to prompt.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:20] The new SEO: Whether you call it AEO, GEO, or AIO, the goal is showing up in AI search answers.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:42] How AI search actually rewards genuine thought leadership rather than keyword stuffing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:33] Visibility Engineering: How to engineer the robots to ensure your content answers the contextual questions your audience is asking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:41] Why storytelling and engaging hearts and minds will never go out of style (featuring a nod to A Christmas Story).</li>
</ul>
<p>About Gini Dietrich</p>
<p><a href='https://twitter.com/ginidietrich'>Gini Dietrich</a> is the founder, CEO, and author of <a href='https://spinsucks.com/'>Spin Sucks</a>, host of the <a href='https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-podcast'>Spin Sucks podcast</a>, and author of <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Spin-Sucks-Communication-Reputation-Management/dp/078974886X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1396266702&amp;sr=8-1'>Spin Sucks</a> (the book). She is the creator of the PESO Model© and has crafted a certification for it in collaboration with USC Annenberg. She has run and grown an agency for the past 19 years. She is co-author of <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Round-Integrated-Campaign-Biz-Tech/dp/0789749173/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1364736597&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=marketing+in+the+round'>Marketing in the Round</a>, co-host of <a href='http://www.insidepr.ca/'>Inside PR</a>, and co-host of <a href='https://www.agencyleadership.com/podcast/'>The Agency Leadership podcast</a>. She also holds "legend" status on Peloton.</p>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit <a href='https://spinsucks.com/'>Spin Sucks</a> for resources on the PESO Model and professional development.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Gini on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginidietrich/'>LinkedIn</a> for daily insights.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Forbes Article: <a href='https://www.forbes.com/councils/forbesagencycouncil/2025/08/29/why-aeo-is-the-future-of-seo-and-how-to-master-it/'>Why AEO Is The Future Of SEO And How To Master It</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 292: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/live/sH1kWqhoXNY?si=_nCjt8rw43u_bvVa'>Utilizing Zero Click Conent for Better Engagement</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Enjoyed this episode? Don't keep it to yourself!
If you found value in today’s discussion, please subscribe and share this episode with a fellow PR pro. Helping us spread the word ensures we can continue bringing you legendary guests and actionable advice. Listen now on your favorite podcast platform</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 329: The New Alphabet of PR - From AEO to PESO
<p>Episode Summary</p>
<p>In this highly anticipated episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome industry legend Gini Dietrich, founder of Spin Sucks and creator of the PESO Model. Together, they dive deep into the current state of public relations and what lies ahead for 2026.</p>
<p>The conversation tackles the pervasive topic of AI, moving beyond simple prompting to discuss how PR pros can teach clients to integrate AI into their workflows strategically. Gini addresses recent online debates regarding the evolution of the PESO model, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking in our industry. The trio also explores the concept of "Visibility Engineering"—how to ensure your brand shows up in AI-generated search answers through robust owned and earned media strategies. Finally, they remind listeners that despite technological advances, human storytelling remains the heart of the profession.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:52] Gini discusses the current landscape of PR and the ubiquity of AI.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:28] Addressing the critics: Has the PESO model really not been updated in a decade? Gini sets the record straight.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:54] The opportunity for PR pros in 2026: Teaching clients how to incorporate AI into systems and workflows, not just how to prompt.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:20] The new SEO: Whether you call it AEO, GEO, or AIO, the goal is showing up in AI search answers.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:42] How AI search actually rewards genuine thought leadership rather than keyword stuffing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:33] Visibility Engineering: How to engineer the robots to ensure your content answers the contextual questions your audience is asking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:41] Why storytelling and engaging hearts and minds will never go out of style (featuring a nod to A Christmas Story).</li>
</ul>
<p>About Gini Dietrich</p>
<p><a href='https://twitter.com/ginidietrich'>Gini Dietrich</a> is the founder, CEO, and author of <a href='https://spinsucks.com/'>Spin Sucks</a>, host of the <a href='https://spinsucks.com/spin-sucks-podcast'>Spin Sucks podcast</a>, and author of <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Spin-Sucks-Communication-Reputation-Management/dp/078974886X/ref=tmm_pap_title_0?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1396266702&amp;sr=8-1'>Spin Sucks</a> (the book). She is the creator of the PESO Model© and has crafted a certification for it in collaboration with USC Annenberg. She has run and grown an agency for the past 19 years. She is co-author of <a href='http://www.amazon.com/Marketing-Round-Integrated-Campaign-Biz-Tech/dp/0789749173/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1364736597&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=marketing+in+the+round'>Marketing in the Round</a>, co-host of <a href='http://www.insidepr.ca/'>Inside PR</a>, and co-host of <a href='https://www.agencyleadership.com/podcast/'>The Agency Leadership podcast</a>. She also holds "legend" status on Peloton.</p>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit <a href='https://spinsucks.com/'>Spin Sucks</a> for resources on the PESO Model and professional development.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Gini on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/ginidietrich/'>LinkedIn</a> for daily insights.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Forbes Article: <a href='https://www.forbes.com/councils/forbesagencycouncil/2025/08/29/why-aeo-is-the-future-of-seo-and-how-to-master-it/'>Why AEO Is The Future Of SEO And How To Master It</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 292: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/live/sH1kWqhoXNY?si=_nCjt8rw43u_bvVa'>Utilizing Zero Click Conent for Better Engagement</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Enjoyed this episode? Don't keep it to yourself!<br>
If you found value in today’s discussion, please subscribe and share this episode with a fellow PR pro. Helping us spread the word ensures we can continue bringing you legendary guests and actionable advice. Listen now on your favorite podcast platform</p>
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Episode Summary
In this highly anticipated episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome industry legend Gini Dietrich, founder of Spin Sucks and creator of the PESO Model. Together, they dive deep into the current state of public relations and what lies ahead for 2026.
The conversation tackles the pervasive topic of AI, moving beyond simple prompting to discuss how PR pros can teach clients to integrate AI into their workflows strategically. Gini addresses recent online debates regarding the evolution of the PESO model, emphasizing the importance of critical thinking in our industry. The trio also explores the concept of "Visibility Engineering"—how to ensure your brand shows up in AI-generated search answers through robust owned and earned media strategies. Finally, they remind listeners that despite technological advances, human storytelling remains the heart of the profession.
Episode Highlights

[01:52] Gini discusses the current landscape of PR and the ubiquity of AI.
[02:28] Addressing the critics: Has the PESO model really not been updated in a decade? Gini sets the record straight.
[05:54] The opportunity for PR pros in 2026: Teaching clients how to incorporate AI into systems and workflows, not just how to prompt.
[09:20] The new SEO: Whether you call it AEO, GEO, or AIO, the goal is showing up in AI search answers.
[11:42] How AI search actually rewards genuine thought leadership rather than keyword stuffing.
[13:33] Visibility Engineering: How to engineer the robots to ensure your content answers the contextual questions your audience is asking.
[15:41] Why storytelling and engaging hearts and minds will never go out of style (featuring a nod to A Christmas Story).

About Gini Dietrich
Gini Dietrich is the founder, CEO, and author of Spin Sucks, host of the Spin Sucks podcast, and author of Spin Sucks (the book). She is the creator of the PESO Model© and has crafted a certification for it in collaboration with USC Annenberg. She has run and grown an agency for the past 19 years. She is co-author of Marketing in the Round, co-host of Inside PR, and co-host of The Agency Leadership podcast. She also holds "legend" status on Peloton.
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information

Visit Spin Sucks for resources on the PESO Model and professional development.
Connect with Gini on LinkedIn for daily insights.
Forbes Article: Why AEO Is The Future Of SEO And How To Master It
Episode 292: Utilizing Zero Click Conent for Better Engagement

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
Enjoyed this episode? Don't keep it to yourself!If you found value in today’s discussion, please subscribe and share this episode with a fellow PR pro. Helping us spread the word ensures we can continue bringing you legendary guests and actionable advice. Listen now on your favorite podcast platform]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 328: The Power of Purpose-Driven Branding with Cat Holt
Episode Summary
<p>This week, Karen and Michelle are joined by Catherine "Cat" Holt, a seasoned marketing executive with over 25 years of experience building major US brands. Cat shares her journey from the corporate world to founding her own company, driven by a desire to help businesses create purpose-driven cultures. She offers a masterclass on aligning a company's internal values with its external brand message to build a strategic business asset. The conversation also explores how women in their 40s are reshaping their careers, the democratizing power of AI in communications, and the critical importance of women supporting each other to foster community and shared success.</p>
Episode HighlightsCa
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:12] From Corporate to Founder: Cat explains why she left a successful corporate marketing career in 2021 to start her own company.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:51] The Great Reassessment: A look at the trend of women in their 40s reevaluating their priorities to seek more meaning and fulfillment in their professional lives.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:06] Building a Purpose-Driven Culture: Cat breaks down the concept of purpose-driven branding and how to get started.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:56] Aligning Inside and Out: Learn how to connect your company's internal culture and values with your external brand messaging for authentic impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:24] Behind the Scenes of Dr. Rick: Cat gives an inside look at the creation of the famous "Dr. Rick" campaign, highlighting the power of honesty and relatability in advertising.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:40] Brand as a Business Asset: Shifting the perspective from brand as a marketing function to a core strategic asset that drives growth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[27:37] AI as a Communication Equalizer: How artificial intelligence is democratizing brand management and communication, opening doors for solo practitioners.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[30:31] Shaping the Future of AI: A call for more women to get involved in AI engineering to ensure the technology is inclusive and representative.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[33:42] Finding Your "Female Posse": The undeniable value of women creating supportive communities and championing each other in the workplace.</li>
</ul>
About Catherine Holt
<p>Cat Holt is the architect behind one of the most enduring and beloved campaigns in insurance history — Dr. Rick for Progressive Insurance. With a rare blend of strategic rigor and creative soul, Cat has helped legacy brands evolve, challenger brands emerge, and leadership teams navigate the unknown. Today, as President &amp; CEO of Coologee, Inc., she brings that same clarity and courage to companies facing transformation, uncertainty, or opportunity.</p>
<p>Connect with Cat on LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/catkolodij/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/catkolodij/</a></p>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<p>Cat Holt Website: <a href='https://coologee.com/'>Coologee, Inc.</a></p>
<p>Cat Holt Newsletter: <a href='https://catholtcoologee.substack.com/subscribe'>Brand is Business</a></p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Did this episode inspire you? If you found value in this conversation, please take a moment to leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more solo pros just like you! Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 328: The Power of Purpose-Driven Branding with Cat Holt
Episode Summary
<p>This week, Karen and Michelle are joined by Catherine "Cat" Holt, a seasoned marketing executive with over 25 years of experience building major US brands. Cat shares her journey from the corporate world to founding her own company, driven by a desire to help businesses create purpose-driven cultures. She offers a masterclass on aligning a company's internal values with its external brand message to build a strategic business asset. The conversation also explores how women in their 40s are reshaping their careers, the democratizing power of AI in communications, and the critical importance of women supporting each other to foster community and shared success.</p>
Episode HighlightsCa
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:12] From Corporate to Founder: Cat explains why she left a successful corporate marketing career in 2021 to start her own company.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:51] The Great Reassessment: A look at the trend of women in their 40s reevaluating their priorities to seek more meaning and fulfillment in their professional lives.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:06] Building a Purpose-Driven Culture: Cat breaks down the concept of purpose-driven branding and how to get started.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:56] Aligning Inside and Out: Learn how to connect your company's internal culture and values with your external brand messaging for authentic impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:24] Behind the Scenes of Dr. Rick: Cat gives an inside look at the creation of the famous "Dr. Rick" campaign, highlighting the power of honesty and relatability in advertising.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:40] Brand as a Business Asset: Shifting the perspective from brand as a marketing function to a core strategic asset that drives growth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[27:37] AI as a Communication Equalizer: How artificial intelligence is democratizing brand management and communication, opening doors for solo practitioners.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[30:31] Shaping the Future of AI: A call for more women to get involved in AI engineering to ensure the technology is inclusive and representative.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[33:42] Finding Your "Female Posse": The undeniable value of women creating supportive communities and championing each other in the workplace.</li>
</ul>
About Catherine Holt
<p>Cat Holt is the architect behind one of the most enduring and beloved campaigns in insurance history — Dr. Rick for Progressive Insurance. With a rare blend of strategic rigor and creative soul, Cat has helped legacy brands evolve, challenger brands emerge, and leadership teams navigate the unknown. Today, as President &amp; CEO of Coologee, Inc., she brings that same clarity and courage to companies facing transformation, uncertainty, or opportunity.</p>
<p>Connect with Cat on LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/catkolodij/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/catkolodij/</a></p>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<p>Cat Holt Website: <a href='https://coologee.com/'>Coologee, Inc.</a></p>
<p>Cat Holt Newsletter: <a href='https://catholtcoologee.substack.com/subscribe'>Brand is Business</a></p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Did this episode inspire you? If you found value in this conversation, please take a moment to leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more solo pros just like you! Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 328: The Power of Purpose-Driven Branding with Cat Holt
Episode Summary
This week, Karen and Michelle are joined by Catherine "Cat" Holt, a seasoned marketing executive with over 25 years of experience building major US brands. Cat shares her journey from the corporate world to founding her own company, driven by a desire to help businesses create purpose-driven cultures. She offers a masterclass on aligning a company's internal values with its external brand message to build a strategic business asset. The conversation also explores how women in their 40s are reshaping their careers, the democratizing power of AI in communications, and the critical importance of women supporting each other to foster community and shared success.
Episode HighlightsCa

[01:12] From Corporate to Founder: Cat explains why she left a successful corporate marketing career in 2021 to start her own company.
[03:51] The Great Reassessment: A look at the trend of women in their 40s reevaluating their priorities to seek more meaning and fulfillment in their professional lives.
[08:06] Building a Purpose-Driven Culture: Cat breaks down the concept of purpose-driven branding and how to get started.
[09:56] Aligning Inside and Out: Learn how to connect your company's internal culture and values with your external brand messaging for authentic impact.
[10:24] Behind the Scenes of Dr. Rick: Cat gives an inside look at the creation of the famous "Dr. Rick" campaign, highlighting the power of honesty and relatability in advertising.
[16:40] Brand as a Business Asset: Shifting the perspective from brand as a marketing function to a core strategic asset that drives growth.
[27:37] AI as a Communication Equalizer: How artificial intelligence is democratizing brand management and communication, opening doors for solo practitioners.
[30:31] Shaping the Future of AI: A call for more women to get involved in AI engineering to ensure the technology is inclusive and representative.
[33:42] Finding Your "Female Posse": The undeniable value of women creating supportive communities and championing each other in the workplace.

About Catherine Holt
Cat Holt is the architect behind one of the most enduring and beloved campaigns in insurance history — Dr. Rick for Progressive Insurance. With a rare blend of strategic rigor and creative soul, Cat has helped legacy brands evolve, challenger brands emerge, and leadership teams navigate the unknown. Today, as President &amp; CEO of Coologee, Inc., she brings that same clarity and courage to companies facing transformation, uncertainty, or opportunity.
Connect with Cat on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/catkolodij/
Resources &amp; Additional Information
Cat Holt Website: Coologee, Inc.
Cat Holt Newsletter: Brand is Business
Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
Did this episode inspire you? If you found value in this conversation, please take a moment to leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us reach more solo pros just like you! Don't forget to subscribe so you never miss an episode.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>That Solo Life Looks Back at 2025</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 327: That Solo Life Looks Back at 2025
Episode Summary
<p>As 2025 comes to a close, it's the perfect time to reflect on the trends, challenges, and bright spots that defined the year for communications professionals. In this special year-end episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane look back at their favorite moments from the podcast and the industry. They discuss the rapid evolution of AI from a shiny new object to a practical tool, highlighting the returning emphasis on the human element in communications. The conversation also addresses the rise of new social platforms like Threads, the power of community in overcoming adversity, and the growing trend of PR pros sharing their knowledge and experience more openly. Join them for a thoughtful recap of the year's key lessons and a hopeful look forward to what 2026 may bring for solo practitioners.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:18] The Evolution of AI: How perceptions of AI have shifted from a job replacement threat to a valuable tool that requires human intelligence and creativity.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:24] Favorite Guest Moments: Remembering standout conversations with guests like Melissa Vela-Williamson on branding and bravery, and Jess Sato on finding your "big idea."</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:47] The Rise of Threads: Why Threads became a refreshing and rebellious bright spot in the social media landscape for communicators this year.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:31] The Power of Community: A discussion on how challenges in 2025 strengthened professional and personal communities, leading to more connection and mutual support.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:10] A Shift Towards Analog?: Observing a growing desire for in-person connection and tangible experiences in a digital world.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:17] PR Pros on LinkedIn: Celebrating the trend of practitioners opening up, sharing processes, failures, and wins to help the entire industry learn and grow.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:20] A Look Ahead to 2026: Carrying the lessons of connection and transparency into the new year.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle mention several past guests who provided valuable insights throughout the year:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 308: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/branding-bravery-and-breaking-through-with-melissa-vela-williamson-episode-308/'>Branding, Bravery and Breaking Through with Melissa Vela-Williamson</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 296: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/national-days-and-awareness-months-and-how-to-manage-in-2025-1743728745/'>The Big Idea with Jess Sato</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 284: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success with Nicole Lauren</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Thank you for listening to our final episode of 2025! If you found value in our conversations this year, please help us grow by sharing this episode with a colleague. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a five-star review on your favorite podcast platform. We'll be back in 2026 with more great guests and insights to help you thrive. Happy New Year</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 327: That Solo Life Looks Back at 2025
Episode Summary
<p>As 2025 comes to a close, it's the perfect time to reflect on the trends, challenges, and bright spots that defined the year for communications professionals. In this special year-end episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane look back at their favorite moments from the podcast and the industry. They discuss the rapid evolution of AI from a shiny new object to a practical tool, highlighting the returning emphasis on the human element in communications. The conversation also addresses the rise of new social platforms like Threads, the power of community in overcoming adversity, and the growing trend of PR pros sharing their knowledge and experience more openly. Join them for a thoughtful recap of the year's key lessons and a hopeful look forward to what 2026 may bring for solo practitioners.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:18] The Evolution of AI: How perceptions of AI have shifted from a job replacement threat to a valuable tool that requires human intelligence and creativity.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:24] Favorite Guest Moments: Remembering standout conversations with guests like Melissa Vela-Williamson on branding and bravery, and Jess Sato on finding your "big idea."</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:47] The Rise of Threads: Why Threads became a refreshing and rebellious bright spot in the social media landscape for communicators this year.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:31] The Power of Community: A discussion on how challenges in 2025 strengthened professional and personal communities, leading to more connection and mutual support.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:10] A Shift Towards Analog?: Observing a growing desire for in-person connection and tangible experiences in a digital world.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:17] PR Pros on LinkedIn: Celebrating the trend of practitioners opening up, sharing processes, failures, and wins to help the entire industry learn and grow.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:20] A Look Ahead to 2026: Carrying the lessons of connection and transparency into the new year.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle mention several past guests who provided valuable insights throughout the year:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 308: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/branding-bravery-and-breaking-through-with-melissa-vela-williamson-episode-308/'>Branding, Bravery and Breaking Through with Melissa Vela-Williamson</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 296: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/national-days-and-awareness-months-and-how-to-manage-in-2025-1743728745/'>The Big Idea with Jess Sato</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 284: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success with Nicole Lauren</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Thank you for listening to our final episode of 2025! If you found value in our conversations this year, please help us grow by sharing this episode with a colleague. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a five-star review on your favorite podcast platform. We'll be back in 2026 with more great guests and insights to help you thrive. Happy New Year</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 327: That Solo Life Looks Back at 2025
Episode Summary
As 2025 comes to a close, it's the perfect time to reflect on the trends, challenges, and bright spots that defined the year for communications professionals. In this special year-end episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane look back at their favorite moments from the podcast and the industry. They discuss the rapid evolution of AI from a shiny new object to a practical tool, highlighting the returning emphasis on the human element in communications. The conversation also addresses the rise of new social platforms like Threads, the power of community in overcoming adversity, and the growing trend of PR pros sharing their knowledge and experience more openly. Join them for a thoughtful recap of the year's key lessons and a hopeful look forward to what 2026 may bring for solo practitioners.
Episode Highlights

[02:18] The Evolution of AI: How perceptions of AI have shifted from a job replacement threat to a valuable tool that requires human intelligence and creativity.
[04:24] Favorite Guest Moments: Remembering standout conversations with guests like Melissa Vela-Williamson on branding and bravery, and Jess Sato on finding your "big idea."
[06:47] The Rise of Threads: Why Threads became a refreshing and rebellious bright spot in the social media landscape for communicators this year.
[09:31] The Power of Community: A discussion on how challenges in 2025 strengthened professional and personal communities, leading to more connection and mutual support.
[12:10] A Shift Towards Analog?: Observing a growing desire for in-person connection and tangible experiences in a digital world.
[13:17] PR Pros on LinkedIn: Celebrating the trend of practitioners opening up, sharing processes, failures, and wins to help the entire industry learn and grow.
[15:20] A Look Ahead to 2026: Carrying the lessons of connection and transparency into the new year.

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
In this episode, Karen and Michelle mention several past guests who provided valuable insights throughout the year:

That Solo Life, Episode 308: Branding, Bravery and Breaking Through with Melissa Vela-Williamson 
That Solo Life, Episode 296: The Big Idea with Jess Sato
That Solo Life, Episode 284: How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success with Nicole Lauren

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
Thank you for listening to our final episode of 2025! If you found value in our conversations this year, please help us grow by sharing this episode with a colleague. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a five-star review on your favorite podcast platform. We'll be back in 2026 with more great guests and insights to help you thrive. Happy New Year]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>A Holiday Wish List for PR Pros</title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/a-holiday-wish-list-for-pr-pros/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 07:15:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 326: A Holiday Wish List for PR Pros
<p>Episode 326 Summary</p>
<p>As the year winds down, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane take a moment for a lighthearted yet insightful discussion about what they’re wishing for all solo PR pros in the coming year. This isn't your typical list of gadgets and software; instead, it's a heartfelt collection of the intangible gifts that truly matter for independent practitioners. From the confidence to own your value and the assertiveness to stand your ground to a slate of clients who bring you joy, this episode is about setting the stage for a more fulfilling and successful year. Karen and Michelle also discuss the importance of rediscovering fun, embracing creativity without limits, and finding joy in your work. It's a dose of holiday cheer and professional encouragement wrapped into one, reminding every solo that they deserve to thrive.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] - Introducing the PR Pro's holiday wish list.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:43] - Wish #1: Focusing on and communicating your value.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:56] - Wish #2: Gaining the confidence to own your expertise and charge what you're worth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:47] - Wish #3: Cultivating assertiveness (not aggression) to stand up for your work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:09] - Wish #4: Attracting a slate of clients that brings you joy and fulfillment.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:35] - Wish #5: Rediscovering the joy in your work after a challenging few years.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:38] - Wish #6: Bringing more fun and wild creativity back into your professional life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:11] - Final thoughts on replenishing your creative energy and being good to yourself.</li>
</ul>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<p>As you reflect on these wishes, below are a few of our most popular episodes. We hope you find helpful hints to make your wishes a reality in the new year.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 307: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/media-under-the-influence/'>Media Under the Influence</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 323: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/confidence-capability-and-why-pr-needs-more-collaboration/'>Confidence, Capability and Why PR Needs More Collaboration</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 300: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-manage-sticky-situations-in-pr/'>How to Manage Sticky Situations in PR</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>What’s on your professional wish list for the upcoming year? Hit us up on social media and let us know. We’d love to hear from you!</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 326: A Holiday Wish List for PR Pros
<p>Episode 326 Summary</p>
<p>As the year winds down, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane take a moment for a lighthearted yet insightful discussion about what they’re wishing for all solo PR pros in the coming year. This isn't your typical list of gadgets and software; instead, it's a heartfelt collection of the intangible gifts that truly matter for independent practitioners. From the confidence to own your value and the assertiveness to stand your ground to a slate of clients who bring you joy, this episode is about setting the stage for a more fulfilling and successful year. Karen and Michelle also discuss the importance of rediscovering fun, embracing creativity without limits, and finding joy in your work. It's a dose of holiday cheer and professional encouragement wrapped into one, reminding every solo that they deserve to thrive.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] - Introducing the PR Pro's holiday wish list.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:43] - Wish #1: Focusing on and communicating your value.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:56] - Wish #2: Gaining the confidence to own your expertise and charge what you're worth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:47] - Wish #3: Cultivating assertiveness (not aggression) to stand up for your work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:09] - Wish #4: Attracting a slate of clients that brings you joy and fulfillment.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:35] - Wish #5: Rediscovering the joy in your work after a challenging few years.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:38] - Wish #6: Bringing more fun and wild creativity back into your professional life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:11] - Final thoughts on replenishing your creative energy and being good to yourself.</li>
</ul>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<p>As you reflect on these wishes, below are a few of our most popular episodes. We hope you find helpful hints to make your wishes a reality in the new year.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 307: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/media-under-the-influence/'>Media Under the Influence</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 323: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/confidence-capability-and-why-pr-needs-more-collaboration/'>Confidence, Capability and Why PR Needs More Collaboration</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 300: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-manage-sticky-situations-in-pr/'>How to Manage Sticky Situations in PR</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>What’s on your professional wish list for the upcoming year? Hit us up on social media and let us know. We’d love to hear from you!</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 326: A Holiday Wish List for PR Pros
Episode 326 Summary
As the year winds down, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane take a moment for a lighthearted yet insightful discussion about what they’re wishing for all solo PR pros in the coming year. This isn't your typical list of gadgets and software; instead, it's a heartfelt collection of the intangible gifts that truly matter for independent practitioners. From the confidence to own your value and the assertiveness to stand your ground to a slate of clients who bring you joy, this episode is about setting the stage for a more fulfilling and successful year. Karen and Michelle also discuss the importance of rediscovering fun, embracing creativity without limits, and finding joy in your work. It's a dose of holiday cheer and professional encouragement wrapped into one, reminding every solo that they deserve to thrive.
Episode Highlights

[02:26] - Introducing the PR Pro's holiday wish list.
[02:43] - Wish #1: Focusing on and communicating your value.
[03:56] - Wish #2: Gaining the confidence to own your expertise and charge what you're worth.
[04:47] - Wish #3: Cultivating assertiveness (not aggression) to stand up for your work.
[06:09] - Wish #4: Attracting a slate of clients that brings you joy and fulfillment.
[08:35] - Wish #5: Rediscovering the joy in your work after a challenging few years.
[09:38] - Wish #6: Bringing more fun and wild creativity back into your professional life.
[12:11] - Final thoughts on replenishing your creative energy and being good to yourself.

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
As you reflect on these wishes, below are a few of our most popular episodes. We hope you find helpful hints to make your wishes a reality in the new year.

Episode 307: Media Under the Influence
Episode 323: Confidence, Capability and Why PR Needs More Collaboration
Episode 300: How to Manage Sticky Situations in PR

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
What’s on your professional wish list for the upcoming year? Hit us up on social media and let us know. We’d love to hear from you!]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Why PR Pros Need To Master Telling Their Own Story</title>
        <itunes:title>Why PR Pros Need To Master Telling Their Own Story</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/why-pr-pros-need-to-master-telling-their-own-story/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 07:07:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Ep. 325: Why PR Pros Need To Master Telling Their Own Story
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into how the rapid rise of AI is transforming the PR landscape. They discuss why it’s more vital than ever for solo PR pros to assert their unique value and own their professional narrative. The conversation covers the importance of personal branding, communicating your actual impact to clients, and leveraging your expertise in an era when technology is reshaping the industry. Listeners will gain actionable advice on standing out, building authority, and telling stories that reflect the real depth of public relations work.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:25] Warm welcomes and setting the stage: the hosts share how positive routines and community set the tone for solo work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:25] Spotlight on AI in PR: How artificial intelligence is changing the game, what it means for solo pros, and why human expertise still leads.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:30] The Value Conversation: Why PR pros must own their value and show how their work creates true impact beyond media placements.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:33] Personal Branding Matters: The art of telling your own story, building authority, and becoming visible in a tech-focused era.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:13] Elevating the Profession: Taking control of the PR narrative in the age of AI and why ethics and expertise should come from within the industry.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:44] Action Steps: Practical ways to amplify your voice, claim your expertise, and connect with the clients who truly value your work.</li>
</ul>
Like this episode? Don’t miss these popular episodes from That Solo Life:
<ul>
<li><ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 319: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/succeeding-at-business-development-in-a-tough-year/'>Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Episode 322: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-rise-of-rage-farms-and-coordinated-disinformation/'>The Rise of Rage Farms and Coordinated Disinformation</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 312: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/going-big-by-going-small-hidden-gold-for-pr-pros/'>Going Big by Going Small: Hidden Gold for PR Pros</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If this episode inspired you or gave you new ideas, we’d love to hear from you! Share your thoughts, stories, or questions by reaching out at SoloPRPro.com or connecting with us on social media. Don’t forget to subscribe to "That Solo Life," leave a review, and tell a fellow solo pro about the show—your voice helps build and empower our community!</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Ep. 325: Why PR Pros Need To Master Telling Their Own Story
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into how the rapid rise of AI is transforming the PR landscape. They discuss why it’s more vital than ever for solo PR pros to assert their unique value and own their professional narrative. The conversation covers the importance of personal branding, communicating your actual impact to clients, and leveraging your expertise in an era when technology is reshaping the industry. Listeners will gain actionable advice on standing out, building authority, and telling stories that reflect the real depth of public relations work.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:25] Warm welcomes and setting the stage: the hosts share how positive routines and community set the tone for solo work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:25] Spotlight on AI in PR: How artificial intelligence is changing the game, what it means for solo pros, and why human expertise still leads.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:30] The Value Conversation: Why PR pros must own their value and show how their work creates true impact beyond media placements.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:33] Personal Branding Matters: The art of telling your own story, building authority, and becoming visible in a tech-focused era.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:13] Elevating the Profession: Taking control of the PR narrative in the age of AI and why ethics and expertise should come from within the industry.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:44] Action Steps: Practical ways to amplify your voice, claim your expertise, and connect with the clients who truly value your work.</li>
</ul>
Like this episode? Don’t miss these popular episodes from That Solo Life:
<ul>
<li><ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 319: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/succeeding-at-business-development-in-a-tough-year/'>Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Episode 322: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-rise-of-rage-farms-and-coordinated-disinformation/'>The Rise of Rage Farms and Coordinated Disinformation</a></li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 312: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/going-big-by-going-small-hidden-gold-for-pr-pros/'>Going Big by Going Small: Hidden Gold for PR Pros</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>If this episode inspired you or gave you new ideas, we’d love to hear from you! Share your thoughts, stories, or questions by reaching out at SoloPRPro.com or connecting with us on social media. Don’t forget to subscribe to "That Solo Life," leave a review, and tell a fellow solo pro about the show—your voice helps build and empower our community!</p>
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Episode Summary
In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into how the rapid rise of AI is transforming the PR landscape. They discuss why it’s more vital than ever for solo PR pros to assert their unique value and own their professional narrative. The conversation covers the importance of personal branding, communicating your actual impact to clients, and leveraging your expertise in an era when technology is reshaping the industry. Listeners will gain actionable advice on standing out, building authority, and telling stories that reflect the real depth of public relations work.
Episode Highlights

[00:25] Warm welcomes and setting the stage: the hosts share how positive routines and community set the tone for solo work.
[01:25] Spotlight on AI in PR: How artificial intelligence is changing the game, what it means for solo pros, and why human expertise still leads.
[03:30] The Value Conversation: Why PR pros must own their value and show how their work creates true impact beyond media placements.
[06:33] Personal Branding Matters: The art of telling your own story, building authority, and becoming visible in a tech-focused era.
[09:13] Elevating the Profession: Taking control of the PR narrative in the age of AI and why ethics and expertise should come from within the industry.
[11:44] Action Steps: Practical ways to amplify your voice, claim your expertise, and connect with the clients who truly value your work.

Like this episode? Don’t miss these popular episodes from That Solo Life:


Episode 319: Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year



Episode 322: The Rise of Rage Farms and Coordinated Disinformation


Episode 312: Going Big by Going Small: Hidden Gold for PR Pros

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
 
If this episode inspired you or gave you new ideas, we’d love to hear from you! Share your thoughts, stories, or questions by reaching out at SoloPRPro.com or connecting with us on social media. Don’t forget to subscribe to "That Solo Life," leave a review, and tell a fellow solo pro about the show—your voice helps build and empower our community!]]></itunes:summary>
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Episode Summary
<p>This special bonus episode of "That Solo Life" features a rebroadcast from the Smart Talk Series, where host Melissa Vela-Williamson interviews our very own Karen Swim. Dive into a powerful conversation about the importance of celebrating personal and professional milestones. Karen shares insights from her unique career journey, which started in healthcare and sales before she found her calling in public relations. The discussion explores how to reframe challenges, like the COVID-19 pandemic, as "Black Swan" events that can open doors to fresh starts and significant growth. Listeners will learn actionable strategies for building a solution-oriented mindset, the importance of self-promotion, and why every solo practitioner needs to recognize their own value. This episode is packed with real talk and practical advice for navigating your career with confidence and optimism.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(02:35) A Winding Path: Karen discusses her unconventional journey into the world of public relations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(07:43) The Power of Positivity: Learn why being solution-oriented and optimistic is crucial for business success.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(08:29) Tuning Out Toxicity: Actionable tips for consciously curating the content you consume and protecting your mindset.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(13:34) A Milestone Moment: How the COVID-19 pandemic became a catalyst for career transformation and new perspectives.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(16:30) Embracing Black Swan Events: Turning unexpected challenges into opportunities for growth and reinvention.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(21:46) Community for Indies: A look inside Solo PR Pro, the professional membership community for independent PR professionals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(37:47) Know Your Worth: The common tendency to underestimate abilities and the critical need for self-promotion.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(39:05) Raise Your Rates: A direct encouragement for solo pros to charge what they are worth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(42:11) A Healthy Mindset: The importance of maintaining your mental, physical, and spiritual well-being to thrive as a professional.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim was a guest on the Smart Talk series podcast, hosted by Melissa Vela-Williamson, M.A., APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">To learn more about Melissa's work and discover other communication topics, visit <a href='https://www.mvw360.com'>mvw360.com</a>.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Check out the resources and community for independent PR professionals at <a href='https://www.soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Find Melissa Vela-Williamson's books on Amazon.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it. Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review—it helps other professionals discover the show.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 324: Celebrating and Leveraging Your Milestone Moments
Episode Summary
<p>This special bonus episode of "That Solo Life" features a rebroadcast from the Smart Talk Series, where host Melissa Vela-Williamson interviews our very own Karen Swim. Dive into a powerful conversation about the importance of celebrating personal and professional milestones. Karen shares insights from her unique career journey, which started in healthcare and sales before she found her calling in public relations. The discussion explores how to reframe challenges, like the COVID-19 pandemic, as "Black Swan" events that can open doors to fresh starts and significant growth. Listeners will learn actionable strategies for building a solution-oriented mindset, the importance of self-promotion, and why every solo practitioner needs to recognize their own value. This episode is packed with real talk and practical advice for navigating your career with confidence and optimism.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(02:35) A Winding Path: Karen discusses her unconventional journey into the world of public relations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(07:43) The Power of Positivity: Learn why being solution-oriented and optimistic is crucial for business success.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(08:29) Tuning Out Toxicity: Actionable tips for consciously curating the content you consume and protecting your mindset.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(13:34) A Milestone Moment: How the COVID-19 pandemic became a catalyst for career transformation and new perspectives.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(16:30) Embracing Black Swan Events: Turning unexpected challenges into opportunities for growth and reinvention.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(21:46) Community for Indies: A look inside Solo PR Pro, the professional membership community for independent PR professionals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(37:47) Know Your Worth: The common tendency to underestimate abilities and the critical need for self-promotion.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(39:05) Raise Your Rates: A direct encouragement for solo pros to charge what they are worth.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(42:11) A Healthy Mindset: The importance of maintaining your mental, physical, and spiritual well-being to thrive as a professional.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim was a guest on the Smart Talk series podcast, hosted by Melissa Vela-Williamson, M.A., APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">To learn more about Melissa's work and discover other communication topics, visit <a href='https://www.mvw360.com'>mvw360.com</a>.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Check out the resources and community for independent PR professionals at <a href='https://www.soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Find Melissa Vela-Williamson's books on Amazon.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it. Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review—it helps other professionals discover the show.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 324: Celebrating and Leveraging Your Milestone Moments
Episode Summary
This special bonus episode of "That Solo Life" features a rebroadcast from the Smart Talk Series, where host Melissa Vela-Williamson interviews our very own Karen Swim. Dive into a powerful conversation about the importance of celebrating personal and professional milestones. Karen shares insights from her unique career journey, which started in healthcare and sales before she found her calling in public relations. The discussion explores how to reframe challenges, like the COVID-19 pandemic, as "Black Swan" events that can open doors to fresh starts and significant growth. Listeners will learn actionable strategies for building a solution-oriented mindset, the importance of self-promotion, and why every solo practitioner needs to recognize their own value. This episode is packed with real talk and practical advice for navigating your career with confidence and optimism.
Episode Highlights

(02:35) A Winding Path: Karen discusses her unconventional journey into the world of public relations.
(07:43) The Power of Positivity: Learn why being solution-oriented and optimistic is crucial for business success.
(08:29) Tuning Out Toxicity: Actionable tips for consciously curating the content you consume and protecting your mindset.
(13:34) A Milestone Moment: How the COVID-19 pandemic became a catalyst for career transformation and new perspectives.
(16:30) Embracing Black Swan Events: Turning unexpected challenges into opportunities for growth and reinvention.
(21:46) Community for Indies: A look inside Solo PR Pro, the professional membership community for independent PR professionals.
(37:47) Know Your Worth: The common tendency to underestimate abilities and the critical need for self-promotion.
(39:05) Raise Your Rates: A direct encouragement for solo pros to charge what they are worth.
(42:11) A Healthy Mindset: The importance of maintaining your mental, physical, and spiritual well-being to thrive as a professional.

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
In this episode, Karen Swim was a guest on the Smart Talk series podcast, hosted by Melissa Vela-Williamson, M.A., APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP.

To learn more about Melissa's work and discover other communication topics, visit mvw360.com.
Check out the resources and community for independent PR professionals at soloprpro.com.
Find Melissa Vela-Williamson's books on Amazon.

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 323: How to Identify, Land, and Retain Sponsorship Deals
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane welcome back Anetra Henry, founder of Anetra Henry Consulting. Anetra brings her expertise in nonprofit sponsorships to the table, guiding solo PR pros and communicators through each step of the sponsorship journey. The conversation covers the essentials: identifying aligned sponsors, developing sustainable strategies, managing relationships, and understanding the real costs and rewards of sponsorship. Whether you're new to sponsorship deals or want to deepen your approach, this episode is packed with insights, practical advice, and wisdom from the frontlines of nonprofit development and communications.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:13] Anetra shares her career update and the relaunch of Anetra Henry Consulting, focusing on helping nonprofits secure sustainable revenue through corporate sponsorships.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:32] Adjusting sponsorship strategies in the face of industry shifts and navigating workforce and philanthropy changes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:39] Why most nonprofits overlook ongoing sponsor relationships and the pitfalls of only thinking about annual galas.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:08] Viewing corporate sponsorship as a reliable stream of income and integrating it into long-term planning.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:05] The communicator’s role in sponsorship: leveraging storytelling and impact reports to retain and nurture sponsors.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:10] Managing PR crises and evaluating potential sponsors: assessing reputational risk and the importance of thorough vetting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:30] The four most common sponsor “personality types” and how to work effectively with each: The Fisher, The Decisive, The Egocentric, and The Infiltrator.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:39] Understanding the true cost of sponsorship management for nonprofits and associations—what every dollar really takes to earn.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[22:57] Are nonprofits embracing AI? The current landscape and smart ways to use AI for prospecting and admin without losing a human touch.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:09] Balancing the heart and business of nonprofit work: reminders for communicators and PR pros who serve mission-driven organizations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[28:47] Anetra's advice for listeners: take care of yourself, know your value, and support nonprofits while maintaining sustainable business practices.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[28:48] How to connect with Anetra: her website, LinkedIn, and book for practical guidance on sponsorship success.</li>
</ul>
About Anetra Henry
<p>Anetra Henry is the founder of <a href='https://www.anetrahenry.com/'>Anetra Henry Consulting</a>, where she helps nonprofits and associations secure strategic, sustainable corporate sponsorships. With over 20 years of experience in nonprofit growth, sponsorship strategy, and communication, Anetra partners with organizations to develop actionable plans that bolster revenue and impact. She is also the author of the “Sponsorship Success Guide,” designed for purpose-driven teams seeking reliable funding and practical tools. Please connect with Anetra on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/anetrahenry/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Get your copy of Anetra’s book: <a href='https://www.anetrahenry.com/'>Sponsorship Success Guide</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 254: <a href='https://youtube.com/live/o8JNID_6fHw'>The Work of Diversity, A Conversation with Anetra Henry</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Enjoyed this episode? Let us know! Subscribe and leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform. Share this episode with your colleagues, connect with Anetra for more support, and help us empower more Solo pros to thrive in their businesses and communities.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 323: How to Identify, Land, and Retain Sponsorship Deals
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane welcome back Anetra Henry, founder of Anetra Henry Consulting. Anetra brings her expertise in nonprofit sponsorships to the table, guiding solo PR pros and communicators through each step of the sponsorship journey. The conversation covers the essentials: identifying aligned sponsors, developing sustainable strategies, managing relationships, and understanding the real costs and rewards of sponsorship. Whether you're new to sponsorship deals or want to deepen your approach, this episode is packed with insights, practical advice, and wisdom from the frontlines of nonprofit development and communications.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:13] Anetra shares her career update and the relaunch of Anetra Henry Consulting, focusing on helping nonprofits secure sustainable revenue through corporate sponsorships.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:32] Adjusting sponsorship strategies in the face of industry shifts and navigating workforce and philanthropy changes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:39] Why most nonprofits overlook ongoing sponsor relationships and the pitfalls of only thinking about annual galas.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:08] Viewing corporate sponsorship as a reliable stream of income and integrating it into long-term planning.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:05] The communicator’s role in sponsorship: leveraging storytelling and impact reports to retain and nurture sponsors.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:10] Managing PR crises and evaluating potential sponsors: assessing reputational risk and the importance of thorough vetting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:30] The four most common sponsor “personality types” and how to work effectively with each: The Fisher, The Decisive, The Egocentric, and The Infiltrator.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[19:39] Understanding the true cost of sponsorship management for nonprofits and associations—what every dollar really takes to earn.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[22:57] Are nonprofits embracing AI? The current landscape and smart ways to use AI for prospecting and admin without losing a human touch.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:09] Balancing the heart and business of nonprofit work: reminders for communicators and PR pros who serve mission-driven organizations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[28:47] Anetra's advice for listeners: take care of yourself, know your value, and support nonprofits while maintaining sustainable business practices.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[28:48] How to connect with Anetra: her website, LinkedIn, and book for practical guidance on sponsorship success.</li>
</ul>
About Anetra Henry
<p>Anetra Henry is the founder of <a href='https://www.anetrahenry.com/'>Anetra Henry Consulting</a>, where she helps nonprofits and associations secure strategic, sustainable corporate sponsorships. With over 20 years of experience in nonprofit growth, sponsorship strategy, and communication, Anetra partners with organizations to develop actionable plans that bolster revenue and impact. She is also the author of the “Sponsorship Success Guide,” designed for purpose-driven teams seeking reliable funding and practical tools. Please connect with Anetra on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/anetrahenry/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Get your copy of Anetra’s book: <a href='https://www.anetrahenry.com/'>Sponsorship Success Guide</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 254: <a href='https://youtube.com/live/o8JNID_6fHw'>The Work of Diversity, A Conversation with Anetra Henry</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Enjoyed this episode? Let us know! Subscribe and leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform. Share this episode with your colleagues, connect with Anetra for more support, and help us empower more Solo pros to thrive in their businesses and communities.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 323: How to Identify, Land, and Retain Sponsorship Deals
Episode Summary
In this episode, Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane welcome back Anetra Henry, founder of Anetra Henry Consulting. Anetra brings her expertise in nonprofit sponsorships to the table, guiding solo PR pros and communicators through each step of the sponsorship journey. The conversation covers the essentials: identifying aligned sponsors, developing sustainable strategies, managing relationships, and understanding the real costs and rewards of sponsorship. Whether you're new to sponsorship deals or want to deepen your approach, this episode is packed with insights, practical advice, and wisdom from the frontlines of nonprofit development and communications.
Episode Highlights

[01:13] Anetra shares her career update and the relaunch of Anetra Henry Consulting, focusing on helping nonprofits secure sustainable revenue through corporate sponsorships.
[03:32] Adjusting sponsorship strategies in the face of industry shifts and navigating workforce and philanthropy changes.
[04:39] Why most nonprofits overlook ongoing sponsor relationships and the pitfalls of only thinking about annual galas.
[05:08] Viewing corporate sponsorship as a reliable stream of income and integrating it into long-term planning.
[06:05] The communicator’s role in sponsorship: leveraging storytelling and impact reports to retain and nurture sponsors.
[09:10] Managing PR crises and evaluating potential sponsors: assessing reputational risk and the importance of thorough vetting.
[14:30] The four most common sponsor “personality types” and how to work effectively with each: The Fisher, The Decisive, The Egocentric, and The Infiltrator.
[19:39] Understanding the true cost of sponsorship management for nonprofits and associations—what every dollar really takes to earn.
[22:57] Are nonprofits embracing AI? The current landscape and smart ways to use AI for prospecting and admin without losing a human touch.
[26:09] Balancing the heart and business of nonprofit work: reminders for communicators and PR pros who serve mission-driven organizations.
[28:47] Anetra's advice for listeners: take care of yourself, know your value, and support nonprofits while maintaining sustainable business practices.
[28:48] How to connect with Anetra: her website, LinkedIn, and book for practical guidance on sponsorship success.

About Anetra Henry
Anetra Henry is the founder of Anetra Henry Consulting, where she helps nonprofits and associations secure strategic, sustainable corporate sponsorships. With over 20 years of experience in nonprofit growth, sponsorship strategy, and communication, Anetra partners with organizations to develop actionable plans that bolster revenue and impact. She is also the author of the “Sponsorship Success Guide,” designed for purpose-driven teams seeking reliable funding and practical tools. Please connect with Anetra on LinkedIn.
 
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information

Get your copy of Anetra’s book: Sponsorship Success Guide
Episode 254: The Work of Diversity, A Conversation with Anetra Henry

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
Enjoyed this episode? Let us know! Subscribe and leave us a five-star review on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or your favorite platform. Share this episode with your colleagues, connect with Anetra for more support, and help us empower more Solo pros to thrive in their businesses and communities.]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Ep. 322: The Rise of Rage Farms and Coordinated Disinformation
Episode Summary
<p>In this eye-opening episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane tackle the disturbing trend of "rage farms" and the growing industry of disinformation-as-a-service. Stemming from a recent article by Mark Schaefer, they explore how coordinated, anonymous online attacks are manufactured to create controversy, manipulate public opinion, and inflict real-world financial and reputational damage on brands.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss the infamous Cracker Barrel rebrand incident as a prime example of how a small number of fake accounts can ignite a firestorm that appears to be a massive public outcry. They delve into the sinister motivations behind these campaigns, from profiting off stock market dips to sowing general discord. As PR professionals, it's crucial to understand that these are not random bots but calculated attacks. The hosts emphasize the responsibility of PR pros to prepare for these threats, the need for brands to pause before reacting to online outrage, and the importance of verifying information sources. This episode is a critical listen for any communicator navigating the modern digital landscape.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:42] Introducing the concept of "rage farms," as detailed by Mark Schaefer.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:39] The emergence of "disinformation-as-a-service" and coordinated, anonymous attacks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:14] Case Study: How the Cracker Barrel rebrand controversy was manufactured by a small number of accounts.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:15] The financial motivations behind rage farms, including short-selling stocks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:36] Why brands should "take a beat" to investigate the source of online outrage before reacting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:55] The role social media platforms play and their lack of incentive to stop the spread of disinformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:17] The importance of individual responsibility in not spreading unverified information.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:51] A proactive strategy for PR pros: using AI to run crisis simulations and test messaging against disinformation campaigns.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Article by Mark Schaefer (As mentioned in the episode) - <a href='https://businessesgrow.com/2025/10/29/rage-farms/'>Rage Farms: The Hidden Industry Weaponizing Outrage Against Brands</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it! Don't forget to subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review. Your support helps us continue to create valuable content for the solo community. Visit <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know what topics you want us to cover next.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Ep. 322: The Rise of Rage Farms and Coordinated Disinformation
Episode Summary
<p>In this eye-opening episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane tackle the disturbing trend of "rage farms" and the growing industry of disinformation-as-a-service. Stemming from a recent article by Mark Schaefer, they explore how coordinated, anonymous online attacks are manufactured to create controversy, manipulate public opinion, and inflict real-world financial and reputational damage on brands.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss the infamous Cracker Barrel rebrand incident as a prime example of how a small number of fake accounts can ignite a firestorm that appears to be a massive public outcry. They delve into the sinister motivations behind these campaigns, from profiting off stock market dips to sowing general discord. As PR professionals, it's crucial to understand that these are not random bots but calculated attacks. The hosts emphasize the responsibility of PR pros to prepare for these threats, the need for brands to pause before reacting to online outrage, and the importance of verifying information sources. This episode is a critical listen for any communicator navigating the modern digital landscape.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:42] Introducing the concept of "rage farms," as detailed by Mark Schaefer.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:39] The emergence of "disinformation-as-a-service" and coordinated, anonymous attacks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:14] Case Study: How the Cracker Barrel rebrand controversy was manufactured by a small number of accounts.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:15] The financial motivations behind rage farms, including short-selling stocks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:36] Why brands should "take a beat" to investigate the source of online outrage before reacting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:55] The role social media platforms play and their lack of incentive to stop the spread of disinformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:17] The importance of individual responsibility in not spreading unverified information.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:51] A proactive strategy for PR pros: using AI to run crisis simulations and test messaging against disinformation campaigns.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Article by Mark Schaefer (As mentioned in the episode) - <a href='https://businessesgrow.com/2025/10/29/rage-farms/'>Rage Farms: The Hidden Industry Weaponizing Outrage Against Brands</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it! Don't forget to subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review. Your support helps us continue to create valuable content for the solo community. Visit <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know what topics you want us to cover next.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 321: What We're Reading for Focus, Laughs and Professional Development 
Episode Summary
<p>For busy PR and marketing professionals, finding time to read—whether for professional development or pleasure—can be a challenge. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane open up their own "to-be-read" piles to share the books currently on their stacks. They discuss a fascinating mix of titles covering everything from the impact of AI on customer behavior and social media's effect on our minds to the art of writing a funny speech and the power of mindset. This episode is packed with recommendations that will inspire you to think more deeply, understand your audience better, and even find humor in the everyday. If you're a book lover looking for your next great read or need some motivation to start that book you bought months ago, this conversation is for you.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(01:05) - Why PR pros often have a stack of books they intend to read but struggle to find the time.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(02:26) - Michelle's first pick: Belonging: The Key to Transforming and Maintaining Your Success by Mark Schaefer, which explores how AI is changing customer behavior.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(03:52) - Karen shares her first book, Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention—and How to Think Deeply Again by Johann Hari, and discusses the importance of deep work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(06:47) - For a dose of humor, Michelle recommends How to Write a Funny Speech by Carol Leifer and Rick Mitchell, highlighting the intelligence behind good comedy writing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(08:27) - Karen’s second recommendation, The Chaos Machine: The Inside Story of How Social Media Rewired Our Minds and Our World by Max Fisher, and its relevance for communicators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(10:27) - Michelle discusses Inner Excellence: The Proven System for Empowering Your Habits, Overcoming Your Mental Blocks, and Raising Your Lasting Level of Performance by Jim Murphy, a book made famous by Philadelphia Eagles player AJ Brown.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(12:22) - Karen's final book is Do the New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be by Steven Furtick, a faith-based guide to personal transformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(14:00) - The hosts reflect on the common theme of mindset in their book choices and its importance for solo professionals.</li>
</ul>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<p>Books Mentioned in This Episode:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://businessesgrow.com/how-ai-changes-your-customers/'>How AI Changes Your Customers</a> - Mark W. Schaefer</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/stolen-focus-why-you-can-t-pay-attention-and-how-to-think-deeply-again-johann-hari/c21aefe97b768a19?ean=9780593138533&amp;next=t'>Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention—and How to Think Deeply Again</a> - Johann Hari</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-write-a-funny-speech-for-a-wedding-bar-mitzvah-graduation-every-other-event-you-didn-t-want-to-go-to-in-the-first-place-carol-leifer/7aa9085ed1048f95?ean=9781797232232&amp;next=t'>How to Write a Funny Speech...</a> - Carol Leifer and Rick Mitchell</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-chaos-machine-the-inside-story-of-how-social-media-rewired-our-minds-and-our-world-max-fisher/7c6c3912ae7e0b14?ean=9780316703307&amp;next=t'>The Chaos Machine</a> - Max Fisher</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/do-the-new-you-study-guide-6-mindsets-to-become-who-you-were-created-to-be-steven-furtick/c18486e5ae5643b1?ean=9781546006893&amp;next=t'>Do the New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be </a>- Steven Furtick</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/inner-excellence-train-your-mind-for-extraordinary-performance-and-the-best-possible-life-jim-murphy/e5af744b09444983?ean=9781538777800&amp;next=t'>Inner Excellence -</a> Jim Murphy</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Kami Huyse - Follow Kami Huyse on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamihuyse/'>LinkedIn</a> for more great insights and recommendations.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What book are you currently reading or what’s at the top of your stack? We want to hear from you! Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>SoloPRPro.com</a> to share your recommendations. And if you found value in this episode, please share it with a fellow PR pro and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners just like you</p>
<p></p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 321: What We're Reading for Focus, Laughs and Professional Development 
Episode Summary
<p>For busy PR and marketing professionals, finding time to read—whether for professional development or pleasure—can be a challenge. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane open up their own "to-be-read" piles to share the books currently on their stacks. They discuss a fascinating mix of titles covering everything from the impact of AI on customer behavior and social media's effect on our minds to the art of writing a funny speech and the power of mindset. This episode is packed with recommendations that will inspire you to think more deeply, understand your audience better, and even find humor in the everyday. If you're a book lover looking for your next great read or need some motivation to start that book you bought months ago, this conversation is for you.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(01:05) - Why PR pros often have a stack of books they intend to read but struggle to find the time.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(02:26) - Michelle's first pick: Belonging: The Key to Transforming and Maintaining Your Success by Mark Schaefer, which explores how AI is changing customer behavior.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(03:52) - Karen shares her first book, Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention—and How to Think Deeply Again by Johann Hari, and discusses the importance of deep work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(06:47) - For a dose of humor, Michelle recommends How to Write a Funny Speech by Carol Leifer and Rick Mitchell, highlighting the intelligence behind good comedy writing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(08:27) - Karen’s second recommendation, The Chaos Machine: The Inside Story of How Social Media Rewired Our Minds and Our World by Max Fisher, and its relevance for communicators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(10:27) - Michelle discusses Inner Excellence: The Proven System for Empowering Your Habits, Overcoming Your Mental Blocks, and Raising Your Lasting Level of Performance by Jim Murphy, a book made famous by Philadelphia Eagles player AJ Brown.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(12:22) - Karen's final book is Do the New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be by Steven Furtick, a faith-based guide to personal transformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">(14:00) - The hosts reflect on the common theme of mindset in their book choices and its importance for solo professionals.</li>
</ul>
Resources &amp; Additional Information
<p>Books Mentioned in This Episode:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://businessesgrow.com/how-ai-changes-your-customers/'>How AI Changes Your Customers</a> - Mark W. Schaefer</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/stolen-focus-why-you-can-t-pay-attention-and-how-to-think-deeply-again-johann-hari/c21aefe97b768a19?ean=9780593138533&amp;next=t'>Stolen Focus: Why You Can't Pay Attention—and How to Think Deeply Again</a> - Johann Hari</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/how-to-write-a-funny-speech-for-a-wedding-bar-mitzvah-graduation-every-other-event-you-didn-t-want-to-go-to-in-the-first-place-carol-leifer/7aa9085ed1048f95?ean=9781797232232&amp;next=t'>How to Write a Funny Speech...</a> - Carol Leifer and Rick Mitchell</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-chaos-machine-the-inside-story-of-how-social-media-rewired-our-minds-and-our-world-max-fisher/7c6c3912ae7e0b14?ean=9780316703307&amp;next=t'>The Chaos Machine</a> - Max Fisher</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/do-the-new-you-study-guide-6-mindsets-to-become-who-you-were-created-to-be-steven-furtick/c18486e5ae5643b1?ean=9781546006893&amp;next=t'>Do the New You: 6 Mindsets to Become Who You Were Created to Be </a>- Steven Furtick</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bookshop.org/p/books/inner-excellence-train-your-mind-for-extraordinary-performance-and-the-best-possible-life-jim-murphy/e5af744b09444983?ean=9781538777800&amp;next=t'>Inner Excellence -</a> Jim Murphy</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Kami Huyse - Follow Kami Huyse on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamihuyse/'>LinkedIn</a> for more great insights and recommendations.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What book are you currently reading or what’s at the top of your stack? We want to hear from you! Visit <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>SoloPRPro.com</a> to share your recommendations. And if you found value in this episode, please share it with a fellow PR pro and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your support helps us reach more listeners just like you</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 320: When You Feel Out of Sync with Your PR Career
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters, take a moment to discuss a crucial topic for every solo practitioner: self-reflection. They explore the growing feeling among communications professionals that something is missing, even if they love their work. This conversation explores the importance of pausing to evaluate what you truly want from your career and life, particularly in an environment where everything is changing. From leaning into discomfort to the power of community, Karen and Michelle share personal insights and inspiration to help you align your business with your personal fulfillment and plan for the future from a place of strength.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:22] The challenge for solo pros to hit the pause button and focus on their own needs and business direction.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] A common theme in the industry: professionals feeling unfulfilled and seeking a change or a better life-work balance.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:32] Why it's natural and healthy to explore different interests within your career and the importance of scheduling time for self-reflection.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:36] How major life events and global challenges are shifting perspectives on what truly matters, prompting a re-evaluation of personal values and purpose.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:33] The power of leaning into discomfort, exploring your feelings, and finding support and inspiration from community, like women's conferences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:21] Michelle shares key takeaways from the "Power Your Potential" women's conference, including sessions on people-pleasing and advocating for yourself.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:06] The conversation connects personal foundation to business clarity, visioning, and goal setting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:11] Navigating economically challenging times can also be an opportunity for a more fulfilling life by leaning into a "season of less" to grow personally.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:17] How examining your life and business during tough times can help you plan from a place of strength and make better decisions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:19] A discussion on ditching the "hustle hard" culture for a healthier, more sustainable approach to work and life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:48] Acknowledging that your professional interests evolve, and now is a perfect time to re-examine what you love to do in the face of industry changes.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Michelle mentions attending the Power Your Potential Women's Conference, presented by the Chamber of Commerce for Greater Montgomery County.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/working-wounded-and-weary-and-why-it-matters/'>Working, Wounded and Weary and Why It Matters</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-uncertain-times-with-chip-griffin-episode-140/'>Managing Uncertain Times with Chip Griffin</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Love what you heard? Don't miss another episode! Subscribe to That Solo Life on <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple</a>, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp?si=9177167b72b2420b'>Spotify</a>, or <a href='http://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325'>YouTube</a> to get the latest insights and inspiration for your solo journey.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 320: When You Feel Out of Sync with Your PR Career
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters, take a moment to discuss a crucial topic for every solo practitioner: self-reflection. They explore the growing feeling among communications professionals that something is missing, even if they love their work. This conversation explores the importance of pausing to evaluate what you truly want from your career and life, particularly in an environment where everything is changing. From leaning into discomfort to the power of community, Karen and Michelle share personal insights and inspiration to help you align your business with your personal fulfillment and plan for the future from a place of strength.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:22] The challenge for solo pros to hit the pause button and focus on their own needs and business direction.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:26] A common theme in the industry: professionals feeling unfulfilled and seeking a change or a better life-work balance.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:32] Why it's natural and healthy to explore different interests within your career and the importance of scheduling time for self-reflection.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:36] How major life events and global challenges are shifting perspectives on what truly matters, prompting a re-evaluation of personal values and purpose.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:33] The power of leaning into discomfort, exploring your feelings, and finding support and inspiration from community, like women's conferences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:21] Michelle shares key takeaways from the "Power Your Potential" women's conference, including sessions on people-pleasing and advocating for yourself.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:06] The conversation connects personal foundation to business clarity, visioning, and goal setting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:11] Navigating economically challenging times can also be an opportunity for a more fulfilling life by leaning into a "season of less" to grow personally.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:17] How examining your life and business during tough times can help you plan from a place of strength and make better decisions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:19] A discussion on ditching the "hustle hard" culture for a healthier, more sustainable approach to work and life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:48] Acknowledging that your professional interests evolve, and now is a perfect time to re-examine what you love to do in the face of industry changes.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Michelle mentions attending the Power Your Potential Women's Conference, presented by the Chamber of Commerce for Greater Montgomery County.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Blog: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/working-wounded-and-weary-and-why-it-matters/'>Working, Wounded and Weary and Why It Matters</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-uncertain-times-with-chip-griffin-episode-140/'>Managing Uncertain Times with Chip Griffin</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Love what you heard? Don't miss another episode! Subscribe to That Solo Life on <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple</a>, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp?si=9177167b72b2420b'>Spotify</a>, or <a href='http://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325'>YouTube</a> to get the latest insights and inspiration for your solo journey.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[TSL 319: Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year
Episode Summary
<p>In a challenging economic climate, consistent business development is more crucial than ever for solo PR and marketing professionals. Hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into practical strategies to refresh your approach and build a strong pipeline for the coming year. This episode moves beyond basic tips, exploring how to leverage AI as a strategic partner, the importance of going back to fundamentals, and the daily habits that separate thriving consultants from those just surviving. Learn how to define your ideal client, track your efforts, and adopt a problem-solver mindset to make your business development efforts both effective and enjoyable.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:03] The Current Challenge: Business development has become an uphill battle in the uncertain 2025 economy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:15] Back to Basics: The importance of creating a strategic plan for your business development with measurable, time-based SMART goals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:28] Redefining Your Goals: Why it's critical to re-evaluate what you want from your business, the industries you want to serve, and the type of work you enjoy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:20] Using AI as a Strategic Partner: How to use AI for more than just content ideas. Use it to research industries, identify trends, perform SWOT analyses, and build detailed buyer personas.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:15] The Power of Daily Habits: Commit to spending a small amount of time, like 45 minutes, every single day on business development tactics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:48] Tracking Your Success: Analyze your past successes to understand what works. Identify the characteristics of your ideal clients and what made them choose you.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:31] The "One More" Rule: When you think you've done enough for the day, make one more call or send one more email. Persistence is key.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:21] Sales is Just a Conversation: A mindset shift to view sales not as a pushy tactic, but as a conversation where you are a problem solver.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:22] Get Out of Your Bubble: The necessity of networking outside of the PR industry to connect with and understand the clients you want to serve.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>This episode builds on themes of business growth and strategy. For more insights, check out our previous episodes on client management and positioning your brand.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 313: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/strategies-for-securing-new-pr-business-in-2025/'>Strategies for Securing New PR Business in 2025 </a>. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 275 : <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/get-proactive-with-acquiring-new-clients/'>Get Proactive with Acquiring New Clients </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 278: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/key-lessons-from-tiny-businesses-that-made-big-moves/'>Key Lessons from Tiny Businesses that Made Big Moves</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>We're interested in learning about the steps you're taking to revamp your business development! Connect with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>If you found this episode valuable, please share it with another PR pro who could use the encouragement. Don't forget to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode, and leave us a review to help others find the show</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[TSL 319: Succeeding at Business Development in a Tough Year
Episode Summary
<p>In a challenging economic climate, consistent business development is more crucial than ever for solo PR and marketing professionals. Hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into practical strategies to refresh your approach and build a strong pipeline for the coming year. This episode moves beyond basic tips, exploring how to leverage AI as a strategic partner, the importance of going back to fundamentals, and the daily habits that separate thriving consultants from those just surviving. Learn how to define your ideal client, track your efforts, and adopt a problem-solver mindset to make your business development efforts both effective and enjoyable.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:03] The Current Challenge: Business development has become an uphill battle in the uncertain 2025 economy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:15] Back to Basics: The importance of creating a strategic plan for your business development with measurable, time-based SMART goals.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:28] Redefining Your Goals: Why it's critical to re-evaluate what you want from your business, the industries you want to serve, and the type of work you enjoy.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:20] Using AI as a Strategic Partner: How to use AI for more than just content ideas. Use it to research industries, identify trends, perform SWOT analyses, and build detailed buyer personas.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:15] The Power of Daily Habits: Commit to spending a small amount of time, like 45 minutes, every single day on business development tactics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:48] Tracking Your Success: Analyze your past successes to understand what works. Identify the characteristics of your ideal clients and what made them choose you.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:31] The "One More" Rule: When you think you've done enough for the day, make one more call or send one more email. Persistence is key.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:21] Sales is Just a Conversation: A mindset shift to view sales not as a pushy tactic, but as a conversation where you are a problem solver.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:22] Get Out of Your Bubble: The necessity of networking outside of the PR industry to connect with and understand the clients you want to serve.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>This episode builds on themes of business growth and strategy. For more insights, check out our previous episodes on client management and positioning your brand.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 313: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/strategies-for-securing-new-pr-business-in-2025/'>Strategies for Securing New PR Business in 2025 </a>. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 275 : <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/get-proactive-with-acquiring-new-clients/'>Get Proactive with Acquiring New Clients </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 278: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/key-lessons-from-tiny-businesses-that-made-big-moves/'>Key Lessons from Tiny Businesses that Made Big Moves</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>We're interested in learning about the steps you're taking to revamp your business development! Connect with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>If you found this episode valuable, please share it with another PR pro who could use the encouragement. Don't forget to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode, and leave us a review to help others find the show</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[TSL 318: How the New Era of AI Search Impacts PR Pros
Episode Summary
<p>The world of search is constantly evolving, with the rise of AI introducing significant changes that communication professionals can't ignore. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane explore the latest shifts in search, focusing on how AI is creating a more personalized—and potentially limited—search experience. They discuss the pros and cons of features like favoriting publishers and how AI can create echo chambers. However, the conversation also highlights a powerful truth: foundational, "old-school" PR tactics are more crucial than ever. Tune in to learn why building direct connections with your audience through newsletters, social media, and targeted outreach is your best strategy for success in the AI era.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:28] The only constant in search is change, but recent AI developments are creating a new landscape for PR and marketing pros.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:17] How AI-generated results now dominate the top of search pages and simple ways to adapt your client's content, like using Google Business Profile FAQs.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:06] The importance of framing your content to answer questions, as modern search is conversational. Data-driven content is a key to winning in the AI search era.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:47] A look at Google's new feature allowing users to favorite publishers, creating a personalized but potentially narrow search experience.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:24] The double-edged sword of AI: while it offers convenience, it can also create echo chambers that limit discovery and exposure to new information.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:19] An optimistic take for communicators: tried-and-true tactics are more effective than ever.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:29] Why newsletters, social media, and direct-to-audience strategies are essential for cutting through the noise.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:14] The value of going direct to industry publications instead of relying solely on wire services to reach your target audience.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:03] The ultimate reminder: Don't build on rented land. Focus on the digital real estate you own and control.</li>
</ul>
Additional Information
<p>This episode builds on the core principles of strategic communications. While we navigate new technologies like AI, the fundamentals of knowing your audience and building relationships remain paramount. The strategies discussed reaffirm the importance of owning your channels and communicating directly with your stakeholders.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Neil Patel: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OuBNlGv61wQ'>AI Isn't Search. It's a Gatekeeper.</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Search Engine Land: <a href='https://searchengineland.com/google-robby-stein-ai-mode-geo-future-search-463271'>Google’s Robby Stein on AI Mode, GEO, and the future of Search</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Social Media Today: <a href='https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/google-updates-search-ads-generative-ai-in-search/802676/'>Google Adds AI Features To Search, New Search Ads Controls</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> </li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Found this conversation valuable? Don't keep it to yourself! Share this episode with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it.</p>
<p>We'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Join the conversation and explore a community of your peers at <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>. Let us know your questions or ideas for future topics—we're listening! Want to be a guest or partner with That Solo Life, email us at info@soloprpro.com.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[TSL 318: How the New Era of AI Search Impacts PR Pros
Episode Summary
<p>The world of search is constantly evolving, with the rise of AI introducing significant changes that communication professionals can't ignore. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane explore the latest shifts in search, focusing on how AI is creating a more personalized—and potentially limited—search experience. They discuss the pros and cons of features like favoriting publishers and how AI can create echo chambers. However, the conversation also highlights a powerful truth: foundational, "old-school" PR tactics are more crucial than ever. Tune in to learn why building direct connections with your audience through newsletters, social media, and targeted outreach is your best strategy for success in the AI era.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:28] The only constant in search is change, but recent AI developments are creating a new landscape for PR and marketing pros.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:17] How AI-generated results now dominate the top of search pages and simple ways to adapt your client's content, like using Google Business Profile FAQs.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:06] The importance of framing your content to answer questions, as modern search is conversational. Data-driven content is a key to winning in the AI search era.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:47] A look at Google's new feature allowing users to favorite publishers, creating a personalized but potentially narrow search experience.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:24] The double-edged sword of AI: while it offers convenience, it can also create echo chambers that limit discovery and exposure to new information.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:19] An optimistic take for communicators: tried-and-true tactics are more effective than ever.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:29] Why newsletters, social media, and direct-to-audience strategies are essential for cutting through the noise.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:14] The value of going direct to industry publications instead of relying solely on wire services to reach your target audience.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:03] The ultimate reminder: Don't build on rented land. Focus on the digital real estate you own and control.</li>
</ul>
Additional Information
<p>This episode builds on the core principles of strategic communications. While we navigate new technologies like AI, the fundamentals of knowing your audience and building relationships remain paramount. The strategies discussed reaffirm the importance of owning your channels and communicating directly with your stakeholders.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Neil Patel: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OuBNlGv61wQ'>AI Isn't Search. It's a Gatekeeper.</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Search Engine Land: <a href='https://searchengineland.com/google-robby-stein-ai-mode-geo-future-search-463271'>Google’s Robby Stein on AI Mode, GEO, and the future of Search</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Social Media Today: <a href='https://www.socialmediatoday.com/news/google-updates-search-ads-generative-ai-in-search/802676/'>Google Adds AI Features To Search, New Search Ads Controls</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> </li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Found this conversation valuable? Don't keep it to yourself! Share this episode with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it.</p>
<p>We'd love to hear your thoughts on this topic. Join the conversation and explore a community of your peers at <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>. Let us know your questions or ideas for future topics—we're listening! Want to be a guest or partner with That Solo Life, email us at info@soloprpro.com.</p>
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        <title>Navigating the Noise: A PR Pro's Guide to Combating Misinformation</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 317: Navigating the Noise: A PR Pro's Guide to Combating Misinformation
Episode Summary
<p>In an era where online falsehoods can spread like wildfire, how can communications professionals protect their clients and their own brands? Hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle the critical issue of misinformation and disinformation head-on. Triggered by a report revealing that nearly 45% of social media posts about the Cracker Barrel logo controversy were from bots, this episode explores the modern PR pro's responsibility in a world of digital deception. Karen and Michelle discuss the importance of fact-checking before reacting, the professional imperative to guide clients through online scams and brand misrepresentation, and why every communicator must become a savvy digital detective. Learn practical tips for verifying information, strategies for equipping audiences with the truth, and why taking a moment to "dig deep" is the most powerful tool in your communications arsenal.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:45] The astonishing statistic that 44.5% of posts on X about the Cracker Barrel logo were from potential bots, highlighting the scale of online disinformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:08] The "check your rage" rule: Why it's crucial for comms pros to pause and verify facts before sharing or commenting on hot-button issues.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:41] Personal responsibility for your brand: Balancing timely commentary with the need for accuracy and skepticism.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:24] The importance of continuous professional development in spotting fake images, videos, and out-of-context quotes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:52] A proactive approach for brands: Equipping your audience with tools to identify official communications and avoid scams.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:41] The rise of sophisticated job scams on trusted platforms like LinkedIn and how to protect yourself and your clients.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:51] The defensive role of a PR pro: Actively monitoring for brand misrepresentation and owning the narrative to squash falsehoods quickly.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:47] The final word of advice for navigating online interactions: Always "dig deep" before trusting information or individuals you encounter on the internet.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prdaily.com'>PR Daily Article on Cracker Barrel Bot Activity</a> (Note: Specific article link not provided in audio)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.factcheck.org'>FactCheck.org</a> - A nonpartisan, nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prsa.org'>PRSA Voices for Everyone</a> - Resources for combating misinformation and disinformation.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow solo pro who needs to hear it. For more resources, community, and support on your solo journey, visit us at <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>. Be sure to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode, and leave us a review—we'd love to hear from you</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 317: Navigating the Noise: A PR Pro's Guide to Combating Misinformation
Episode Summary
<p>In an era where online falsehoods can spread like wildfire, how can communications professionals protect their clients and their own brands? Hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane tackle the critical issue of misinformation and disinformation head-on. Triggered by a report revealing that nearly 45% of social media posts about the Cracker Barrel logo controversy were from bots, this episode explores the modern PR pro's responsibility in a world of digital deception. Karen and Michelle discuss the importance of fact-checking before reacting, the professional imperative to guide clients through online scams and brand misrepresentation, and why every communicator must become a savvy digital detective. Learn practical tips for verifying information, strategies for equipping audiences with the truth, and why taking a moment to "dig deep" is the most powerful tool in your communications arsenal.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:45] The astonishing statistic that 44.5% of posts on X about the Cracker Barrel logo were from potential bots, highlighting the scale of online disinformation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:08] The "check your rage" rule: Why it's crucial for comms pros to pause and verify facts before sharing or commenting on hot-button issues.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:41] Personal responsibility for your brand: Balancing timely commentary with the need for accuracy and skepticism.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:24] The importance of continuous professional development in spotting fake images, videos, and out-of-context quotes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:52] A proactive approach for brands: Equipping your audience with tools to identify official communications and avoid scams.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:41] The rise of sophisticated job scams on trusted platforms like LinkedIn and how to protect yourself and your clients.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:51] The defensive role of a PR pro: Actively monitoring for brand misrepresentation and owning the narrative to squash falsehoods quickly.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:47] The final word of advice for navigating online interactions: Always "dig deep" before trusting information or individuals you encounter on the internet.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prdaily.com'>PR Daily Article on Cracker Barrel Bot Activity</a> (Note: Specific article link not provided in audio)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.factcheck.org'>FactCheck.org</a> - A nonpartisan, nonprofit project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prsa.org'>PRSA Voices for Everyone</a> - Resources for combating misinformation and disinformation.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow solo pro who needs to hear it. For more resources, community, and support on your solo journey, visit us at <a href='https://soloprpro.com'>soloprpro.com</a>. Be sure to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an episode, and leave us a review—we'd love to hear from you</p>
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Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into a fascinating study about Generation Alpha—today's kids and teens aged 0-15. You might think your target audience is the adults with the wallets, but this new generation is wielding surprising economic power, influencing major family purchases from cars to technology. Karen and Michelle explore what this shift means for PR and communications professionals. They discuss how to adapt your messaging to acknowledge this younger, content-savvy audience without alienating the primary buyers. The conversation underscores the importance of crafting authentic, high-quality, and personal content that resonates with Gen Alpha's values, treating them as influencers rather than just children. Tune in to learn how to future-proof your PR strategy by understanding the decisive role this generation plays in today's purchasing decisions.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:56] Introduction to the PR News Online study on Generation Alpha's economic influence.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:49] Discussion on how Gen Alpha is shaping B2C and even B2B purchasing decisions in areas like technology and vacations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:01] The challenge for communicators: How to craft messaging that appeals to Gen Alpha's interests without directly targeting them.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:26] The fine line between being inclusive of younger audiences and creating "kid branding" that can quickly become a turn-off.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:06] Why Gen Alpha prioritizes authentic, quality content over sheer fame, and what this means for brands and creators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:42] The importance of personalizing communications to feel like a "For You Page" (FYP) to connect with modern audiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:11] How to balance your messaging to acknowledge the multiple influencers in a family's purchasing cycle, including kids who introduce parents to new brands.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:43] The long-term benefit of building brand relationships with consumers from a much earlier age.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:43] A look at the future: How Gen Alpha's focus on critical thinking and facts could reshape the communication landscape.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">USC Annenberg and ACC Study. <a href='https://www.accelerationcc.com/intelligence/gen-alpha-mini-mighty-and-market-ready'>Gen Alpha: Mini, Mighty, and Market Ready</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Loved this episode? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro and be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an insight. We’d also love it if you could leave us a review; even a sentence or two will make a difference!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 316: Gen Alpha's Surprising Influence on Your PR Strategy
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into a fascinating study about Generation Alpha—today's kids and teens aged 0-15. You might think your target audience is the adults with the wallets, but this new generation is wielding surprising economic power, influencing major family purchases from cars to technology. Karen and Michelle explore what this shift means for PR and communications professionals. They discuss how to adapt your messaging to acknowledge this younger, content-savvy audience without alienating the primary buyers. The conversation underscores the importance of crafting authentic, high-quality, and personal content that resonates with Gen Alpha's values, treating them as influencers rather than just children. Tune in to learn how to future-proof your PR strategy by understanding the decisive role this generation plays in today's purchasing decisions.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:56] Introduction to the PR News Online study on Generation Alpha's economic influence.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:49] Discussion on how Gen Alpha is shaping B2C and even B2B purchasing decisions in areas like technology and vacations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:01] The challenge for communicators: How to craft messaging that appeals to Gen Alpha's interests without directly targeting them.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:26] The fine line between being inclusive of younger audiences and creating "kid branding" that can quickly become a turn-off.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:06] Why Gen Alpha prioritizes authentic, quality content over sheer fame, and what this means for brands and creators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:42] The importance of personalizing communications to feel like a "For You Page" (FYP) to connect with modern audiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:11] How to balance your messaging to acknowledge the multiple influencers in a family's purchasing cycle, including kids who introduce parents to new brands.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:43] The long-term benefit of building brand relationships with consumers from a much earlier age.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:43] A look at the future: How Gen Alpha's focus on critical thinking and facts could reshape the communication landscape.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">USC Annenberg and ACC Study. <a href='https://www.accelerationcc.com/intelligence/gen-alpha-mini-mighty-and-market-ready'>Gen Alpha: Mini, Mighty, and Market Ready</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Loved this episode? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro and be sure to subscribe on your favorite podcast platform so you never miss an insight. We’d also love it if you could leave us a review; even a sentence or two will make a difference!</p>
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Episode Summary
<p>In a world that demands brand transparency, is it possible to be too open? This week, Karen and Michelle discuss the complex landscape of modern communication, where the call for brands to be transparent can sometimes lead to backlash. They explore the challenges PR pros face in a culture lacking nuance, where every statement is scrutinized and outrage is just a click away. Learn how to advise clients on when to speak up, when to stay silent, and how to navigate the pressure to weigh in on every social issue. This episode provides strategic advice for helping brands remain authentic and effective without falling into the transparency trap, all while protecting your own mental health.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:18] Introduction to today's topic: The cost of transparency for brands.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:21] Why the trend of full transparency can be costly for organizations and individuals in today's culture.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:37] Discussing the public's tendency to immediately question a brand's motives and the lack of critical thinking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:21] The heroic role of communicators in lowering the temperature and bringing rationality to volatile situations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:05] Navigating the communication challenges presented by different generational perspectives and expectations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:15] How social media algorithms profit from rage and how that impacts brand communications.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:00] The importance of being strategic with personal and CEO branding—deciding what hill you want to die on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:06] The difference between having brand values and feeling the need to have a voice in every public conversation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:12] The dangers of "cancel culture" and the high personal stakes for individuals who share opinions online.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:12] A reminder that brands are not entitled to 100% of your attention or required to comment on every world problem.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:35] Shifting the focus from having an opinion to taking meaningful action that supports your audience, like providing resources during a crisis.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:34] Why nuance and genuineness are replacing the era of full transparency.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:43] The power of being helpful and honest, rather than feeling pressured to weigh in on everything.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Don't miss another conversation! Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform today.</p>
<p>We'd love to hear your thoughts and experiences. Join the conversation by visiting<a href='http://soloprpro.com'> SoloPRPro.com</a> and follow Solo PR Pro on all major social media platforms to stay connected with our community.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 315: Counting the Cost of Transparency in a Rage-Filled World
Episode Summary
<p>In a world that demands brand transparency, is it possible to be too open? This week, Karen and Michelle discuss the complex landscape of modern communication, where the call for brands to be transparent can sometimes lead to backlash. They explore the challenges PR pros face in a culture lacking nuance, where every statement is scrutinized and outrage is just a click away. Learn how to advise clients on when to speak up, when to stay silent, and how to navigate the pressure to weigh in on every social issue. This episode provides strategic advice for helping brands remain authentic and effective without falling into the transparency trap, all while protecting your own mental health.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:18] Introduction to today's topic: The cost of transparency for brands.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:21] Why the trend of full transparency can be costly for organizations and individuals in today's culture.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:37] Discussing the public's tendency to immediately question a brand's motives and the lack of critical thinking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:21] The heroic role of communicators in lowering the temperature and bringing rationality to volatile situations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:05] Navigating the communication challenges presented by different generational perspectives and expectations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:15] How social media algorithms profit from rage and how that impacts brand communications.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:00] The importance of being strategic with personal and CEO branding—deciding what hill you want to die on.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:06] The difference between having brand values and feeling the need to have a voice in every public conversation.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:12] The dangers of "cancel culture" and the high personal stakes for individuals who share opinions online.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:12] A reminder that brands are not entitled to 100% of your attention or required to comment on every world problem.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:35] Shifting the focus from having an opinion to taking meaningful action that supports your audience, like providing resources during a crisis.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[15:34] Why nuance and genuineness are replacing the era of full transparency.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:43] The power of being helpful and honest, rather than feeling pressured to weigh in on everything.</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Don't miss another conversation! Subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your favorite podcast platform today.</p>
<p>We'd love to hear your thoughts and experiences. Join the conversation by visiting<a href='http://soloprpro.com'> SoloPRPro.com</a> and follow Solo PR Pro on all major social media platforms to stay connected with our community.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 314: Communicating in the Era of Everyday is a Crisis
Episode Summary
<p>In today's highly charged environment, even the most innocent business decision can spark a public relations crisis. For solo PR practitioners, staying ahead of potential firestorms is more crucial than ever. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane discuss practical strategies for helping clients navigate the minefields of public perception. They explore why it's essential to be the "little black cloud" that keeps clients aware of current events and public sentiment, even when clients are siloed in their own industries. Learn how to proactively prepare for controversy, from price increases to rebranding efforts, by developing a playbook, using AI for efficient research, and maintaining open lines of communication with the C-suite. Discover how building a foundation of trust and community with your publics can be your greatest asset when a crisis inevitably hits.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:51] How to help clients navigate decisions, from the mundane to the major, in a world where public perception is highly sensitive.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:05] Recognizing that all sides of a polarized public are part of your audience and the challenge this presents for communicators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:51] Using AI and other tools to efficiently monitor trends and public sentiment without getting overwhelmed.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:37] A practical tip: creating a weekly "pulse check" newsletter for clients to gauge their perspectives on trending topics and build a bank of potential responses.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:13] The importance of knowing what's happening on social media to anticipate potential reactions to your client's actions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:22] Why it's critical for PR pros to have a direct line to the C-suite to proactively prepare for potentially controversial business plans.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:49] A real-world example: how to start preparing now for a future price increase to mitigate backlash.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:02] The power of de-escalation and nurturing community relationships on a daily basis, not just during campaigns.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:44] Drawing lessons from the classic Tylenol case study on how establishing trust can pay dividends for decades.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the importance of being prepared for any situation. While no specific resources were mentioned, staying informed is key. We recommend using tools like Google Alerts or other media monitoring services to keep a pulse on trends relevant to your clients.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>
Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it. Head over to <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>SoloPRPro.com</a> to join the conversation, and be sure to subscribe and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us grow and support more solo practitioners just like you.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 314: Communicating in the Era of Everyday is a Crisis
Episode Summary
<p>In today's highly charged environment, even the most innocent business decision can spark a public relations crisis. For solo PR practitioners, staying ahead of potential firestorms is more crucial than ever. In this episode, hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane discuss practical strategies for helping clients navigate the minefields of public perception. They explore why it's essential to be the "little black cloud" that keeps clients aware of current events and public sentiment, even when clients are siloed in their own industries. Learn how to proactively prepare for controversy, from price increases to rebranding efforts, by developing a playbook, using AI for efficient research, and maintaining open lines of communication with the C-suite. Discover how building a foundation of trust and community with your publics can be your greatest asset when a crisis inevitably hits.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:51] How to help clients navigate decisions, from the mundane to the major, in a world where public perception is highly sensitive.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:05] Recognizing that all sides of a polarized public are part of your audience and the challenge this presents for communicators.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:51] Using AI and other tools to efficiently monitor trends and public sentiment without getting overwhelmed.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:37] A practical tip: creating a weekly "pulse check" newsletter for clients to gauge their perspectives on trending topics and build a bank of potential responses.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:13] The importance of knowing what's happening on social media to anticipate potential reactions to your client's actions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:22] Why it's critical for PR pros to have a direct line to the C-suite to proactively prepare for potentially controversial business plans.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:49] A real-world example: how to start preparing now for a future price increase to mitigate backlash.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:02] The power of de-escalation and nurturing community relationships on a daily basis, not just during campaigns.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:44] Drawing lessons from the classic Tylenol case study on how establishing trust can pay dividends for decades.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the importance of being prepared for any situation. While no specific resources were mentioned, staying informed is key. We recommend using tools like Google Alerts or other media monitoring services to keep a pulse on trends relevant to your clients.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p><br>
Did this episode resonate with you? Don't keep it to yourself! Share it with a fellow PR pro who needs to hear it. Head over to <a href='http://soloprpro.com'>SoloPRPro.com</a> to join the conversation, and be sure to subscribe and leave us a review on your favorite podcast platform. Your feedback helps us grow and support more solo practitioners just like you.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 313: Strategies for Securing New PR Business in 2025
Episode Summary
<p>Karen and Michelle dive into optimistic data about the global growth of the PR industry and share strategic insights for solo practitioners looking to finish 2025 strong. Drawing from recent industry research, they explore emerging trends, niche specialization opportunities, and practical business development tactics that can help independent PR pros break through current market challenges and position themselves for future success.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Industry Growth Statistics (02:10) - Discussion of global PR industry expansion and what it means for solo practitioners</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Content Creation as Core Offering (03:06) - 76% of PR agencies now emphasize content strategy and creation services</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Rise of Niche Specialization (04:18) - 37% of agencies focus on specialized industries like fintech and health tech</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Strategic Industry Targeting (05:40) - Identifying high-growth sectors with future potential, including infrastructure and healthcare</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Pricing Psychology (09:25) - Why charging more can actually win you more business</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Networking Beyond PR Circles (10:28) - Breaking out of industry echo chambers to find new opportunities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Local Government Connections (11:18) - Building relationships with municipal leaders and borough managers</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overcoming Business Development Fatigue (12:47) - Managing exhaustion while staying proactive in challenging times</li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry is growing globally, even if it doesn't feel that way locally</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Specializing in niche industries offers competitive advantages</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Infrastructure projects present untapped opportunities for PR pros</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Higher pricing often signals higher value to potential clients</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Networking outside the PR industry can yield unexpected opportunities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Your skills are transferable across industries - don't limit yourself</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Small, consistent changes to your business development approach can yield big results</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Lab: <a href='https://prlab.co/blog/public-relations-statistics-2025/'>150+ PR Statistics You Need to Understand the Industry in 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 215: <a href='https://youtu.be/QPorgzS5Jmk?si=URunBMps7d43AFZz'>From Barriers to Bridges with Mary Ellen Miller  </a></li>
</ul>
<p>Industries to Watch:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Health technology and healthcare</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Financial technology (fintech)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Infrastructure and public works</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Municipal and government communications</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Ready to transform your solo practice? Don't let this episode's insights go to waste! Take action today by identifying one new industry or networking opportunity you can explore this month. Whether it's attending a targeted industry event or meetup, connecting with your local government officials, or raising your rates, small steps lead to significant breakthroughs.</p>
<p>Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode packed with practical strategies for independent PR professionals. Have questions or success stories to share? Reach out to the hosts at soloprpro.com - they'd love to hear from you!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 313: Strategies for Securing New PR Business in 2025
Episode Summary
<p>Karen and Michelle dive into optimistic data about the global growth of the PR industry and share strategic insights for solo practitioners looking to finish 2025 strong. Drawing from recent industry research, they explore emerging trends, niche specialization opportunities, and practical business development tactics that can help independent PR pros break through current market challenges and position themselves for future success.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Industry Growth Statistics (02:10) - Discussion of global PR industry expansion and what it means for solo practitioners</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Content Creation as Core Offering (03:06) - 76% of PR agencies now emphasize content strategy and creation services</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Rise of Niche Specialization (04:18) - 37% of agencies focus on specialized industries like fintech and health tech</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Strategic Industry Targeting (05:40) - Identifying high-growth sectors with future potential, including infrastructure and healthcare</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Pricing Psychology (09:25) - Why charging more can actually win you more business</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Networking Beyond PR Circles (10:28) - Breaking out of industry echo chambers to find new opportunities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Local Government Connections (11:18) - Building relationships with municipal leaders and borough managers</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overcoming Business Development Fatigue (12:47) - Managing exhaustion while staying proactive in challenging times</li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry is growing globally, even if it doesn't feel that way locally</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Specializing in niche industries offers competitive advantages</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Infrastructure projects present untapped opportunities for PR pros</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Higher pricing often signals higher value to potential clients</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Networking outside the PR industry can yield unexpected opportunities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Your skills are transferable across industries - don't limit yourself</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Small, consistent changes to your business development approach can yield big results</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Lab: <a href='https://prlab.co/blog/public-relations-statistics-2025/'>150+ PR Statistics You Need to Understand the Industry in 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 215: <a href='https://youtu.be/QPorgzS5Jmk?si=URunBMps7d43AFZz'>From Barriers to Bridges with Mary Ellen Miller  </a></li>
</ul>
<p>Industries to Watch:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Health technology and healthcare</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Financial technology (fintech)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Infrastructure and public works</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Municipal and government communications</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p style="text-align: left;">Ready to transform your solo practice? Don't let this episode's insights go to waste! Take action today by identifying one new industry or networking opportunity you can explore this month. Whether it's attending a targeted industry event or meetup, connecting with your local government officials, or raising your rates, small steps lead to significant breakthroughs.</p>
<p>Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode packed with practical strategies for independent PR professionals. Have questions or success stories to share? Reach out to the hosts at soloprpro.com - they'd love to hear from you!</p>
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Episode Summary
Karen and Michelle dive into optimistic data about the global growth of the PR industry and share strategic insights for solo practitioners looking to finish 2025 strong. Drawing from recent industry research, they explore emerging trends, niche specialization opportunities, and practical business development tactics that can help independent PR pros break through current market challenges and position themselves for future success.
Episode Highlights

PR Industry Growth Statistics (02:10) - Discussion of global PR industry expansion and what it means for solo practitioners
Content Creation as Core Offering (03:06) - 76% of PR agencies now emphasize content strategy and creation services
The Rise of Niche Specialization (04:18) - 37% of agencies focus on specialized industries like fintech and health tech
Strategic Industry Targeting (05:40) - Identifying high-growth sectors with future potential, including infrastructure and healthcare
Pricing Psychology (09:25) - Why charging more can actually win you more business
Networking Beyond PR Circles (10:28) - Breaking out of industry echo chambers to find new opportunities
Local Government Connections (11:18) - Building relationships with municipal leaders and borough managers
Overcoming Business Development Fatigue (12:47) - Managing exhaustion while staying proactive in challenging times

Key Takeaways

The PR industry is growing globally, even if it doesn't feel that way locally
Specializing in niche industries offers competitive advantages
Infrastructure projects present untapped opportunities for PR pros
Higher pricing often signals higher value to potential clients
Networking outside the PR industry can yield unexpected opportunities
Your skills are transferable across industries - don't limit yourself
Small, consistent changes to your business development approach can yield big results

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
Resources Mentioned:

PR Lab: 150+ PR Statistics You Need to Understand the Industry in 2025
That Solo Life, Episode 215: From Barriers to Bridges with Mary Ellen Miller  

Industries to Watch:

Health technology and healthcare
Financial technology (fintech)
Infrastructure and public works
Municipal and government communications

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.
Ready to transform your solo practice? Don't let this episode's insights go to waste! Take action today by identifying one new industry or networking opportunity you can explore this month. Whether it's attending a targeted industry event or meetup, connecting with your local government officials, or raising your rates, small steps lead to significant breakthroughs.
Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and never miss an episode packed with practical strategies for independent PR professionals. Have questions or success stories to share? Reach out to the hosts at soloprpro.com - they'd love to hear from you!]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Episode 312: Going Big by Going Small: Hidden Gold for PR Pros
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the untapped potential of three underutilized and niche social media platforms that PR professionals may be overlooking. Drawing parallels to finding forgotten treasures in your closet, they discuss how platforms like Discord, Substack Chat, and other intimate community spaces offer quality engagement over quantity metrics. The hosts emphasize the power of niche communities, employee brand ambassadors, and micro-influencers in creating meaningful connections with targeted audiences.</p>
Episode Highlights
<p>[00:30-01:20] Setting the Stage: The Forgotten Gems</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle introduces the concept of "rediscovering" overlooked social platforms</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The connection between finding forgotten items in your closet and discovering underused platforms</li>
</ul>
<p>[01:40-02:18] The Problem with Major Platforms</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Discussion of why big social media platforms are becoming problematic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The need to shift thinking toward smaller, more intimate spaces</li>
</ul>
<p>[02:32-03:05] Platform Examples and Content Quality</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Specific mention of Discord and Substack Chat as underused platforms</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How Substack offers more substantive, content-based engagement</li>
</ul>
<p>[03:27-04:39] The Power of Niche Communities</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Key statistics: 88% of Americans engage in niche communities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">45% of Gen Z, Millennial, and Gen X feel more connected to niche communities than mainstream culture</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focus on "niche over numbers" - quality interaction vs. quantity</li>
</ul>
<p>[05:40-06:25] Case Study: Rooted Plant Company</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Example of how a plant company uses Discord to build community</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Establishing thought leadership through answering plant care questions</li>
</ul>
<p>[06:38-08:29] Employee Brand Ambassadors Strategy</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Turning employees into internal influencers and brand ambassadors</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of authentic employee engagement and internal communications</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Using tools like Slack's "random channel" for team connection</li>
</ul>
<p>[10:29-11:29] Post-COVID Community Evolution</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How the pandemic shifted people toward smaller, more intimate gatherings</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The cultural need for building community and finding tribes</li>
</ul>
<p>[11:36-12:34] Real-World Community Example</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen's experience with "Vegan Detroit" Facebook group</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How micro-influencers within niche communities drive business results</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 306: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-33udn-190ad80'>Where the Wild Things Are - Rethinking Social Media in 2025"</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Social Scene Podcast: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-d9dfh-231d1b00'>Navigating Social Media Strategies in 2025</a>" </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 301: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pprnr-18baff2'>The Need for Thoughtful Engagement in an Age of Clickbait"</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 284: "<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success</a>"</li>
</ul>
Additional Resources:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Axios: "<a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/12/19/gen-z-brands-niche-community-appeal'>Gen Z's drive toward niche pushes brands to change strategy</a>" </li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Ready to discover your next breakthrough platform? Don't let these valuable insights sit on the shelf! Subscribe to That Solo Life wherever you get your podcasts, and leave us a review to help other solo PR pros find the show. Have questions about niche platforms or success stories to share? We'd love to hear from you at soloprpro.com. Remember: sometimes the best opportunities are hiding in plain sight - just like that perfect piece of clothing you forgot was in your closet.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode 312: Going Big by Going Small: Hidden Gold for PR Pros
Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the untapped potential of three underutilized and niche social media platforms that PR professionals may be overlooking. Drawing parallels to finding forgotten treasures in your closet, they discuss how platforms like Discord, Substack Chat, and other intimate community spaces offer quality engagement over quantity metrics. The hosts emphasize the power of niche communities, employee brand ambassadors, and micro-influencers in creating meaningful connections with targeted audiences.</p>
Episode Highlights
<p>[00:30-01:20] Setting the Stage: The Forgotten Gems</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle introduces the concept of "rediscovering" overlooked social platforms</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The connection between finding forgotten items in your closet and discovering underused platforms</li>
</ul>
<p>[01:40-02:18] The Problem with Major Platforms</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Discussion of why big social media platforms are becoming problematic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The need to shift thinking toward smaller, more intimate spaces</li>
</ul>
<p>[02:32-03:05] Platform Examples and Content Quality</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Specific mention of Discord and Substack Chat as underused platforms</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How Substack offers more substantive, content-based engagement</li>
</ul>
<p>[03:27-04:39] The Power of Niche Communities</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Key statistics: 88% of Americans engage in niche communities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">45% of Gen Z, Millennial, and Gen X feel more connected to niche communities than mainstream culture</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focus on "niche over numbers" - quality interaction vs. quantity</li>
</ul>
<p>[05:40-06:25] Case Study: Rooted Plant Company</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Example of how a plant company uses Discord to build community</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Establishing thought leadership through answering plant care questions</li>
</ul>
<p>[06:38-08:29] Employee Brand Ambassadors Strategy</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Turning employees into internal influencers and brand ambassadors</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of authentic employee engagement and internal communications</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Using tools like Slack's "random channel" for team connection</li>
</ul>
<p>[10:29-11:29] Post-COVID Community Evolution</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How the pandemic shifted people toward smaller, more intimate gatherings</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The cultural need for building community and finding tribes</li>
</ul>
<p>[11:36-12:34] Real-World Community Example</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen's experience with "Vegan Detroit" Facebook group</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How micro-influencers within niche communities drive business results</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 306: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-33udn-190ad80'>Where the Wild Things Are - Rethinking Social Media in 2025"</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Social Scene Podcast: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/dir-d9dfh-231d1b00'>Navigating Social Media Strategies in 2025</a>" </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 301: "<a href='https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-pprnr-18baff2'>The Need for Thoughtful Engagement in an Age of Clickbait"</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 284: "<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success</a>"</li>
</ul>
Additional Resources:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Axios: "<a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/12/19/gen-z-brands-niche-community-appeal'>Gen Z's drive toward niche pushes brands to change strategy</a>" </li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Host &amp; Show Info</p>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today's dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Ready to discover your next breakthrough platform? Don't let these valuable insights sit on the shelf! Subscribe to That Solo Life wherever you get your podcasts, and leave us a review to help other solo PR pros find the show. Have questions about niche platforms or success stories to share? We'd love to hear from you at soloprpro.com. Remember: sometimes the best opportunities are hiding in plain sight - just like that perfect piece of clothing you forgot was in your closet.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Barcelona Principles 2025: What PR Pros Need to Measure Now (Episode 310)
Episode Summary
<p>In episode 310 of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane break down the latest update to the Barcelona Principles and what it means for independent PR and communications pros. They cover the shift toward outcomes that matter to the C-suite, the stronger alignment with AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework, the role of qualitative and quantitative data, and why leveling up in measurement and AI will separate thriving practitioners from the rest. You’ll walk away with practical next steps, resources, and a nudge to price your expertise for the true value you deliver.</p>
<p>Keywords: Barcelona Principles 2025, AMEC framework, PR measurement, qualitative and quantitative metrics, AI in PR, PR outcomes, stakeholder sentiment, media relations, solo PR pricing, communications strategy.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00 – 00:24 | Welcome back to That Solo Life</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:39 – 02:41 | What’s new in the Barcelona Principles (2025 update + AMEC alignment)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:49 – 03:05 | AVEs aren’t it: Why outcomes beat output every time</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:28 – 04:24 | The business case: Tie PR to revenue, cost reduction, and executive priorities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:01 – 05:23 | Quant + qual: Why both matter for effective evaluation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:36 – 06:11 | From “audience” to “stakeholders”: Measuring sentiment and behavior change</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:12 – 07:11 | Stop fearing data: You already synthesize information—now measure it</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:01 – 07:11 | Two skills that will set pros apart: Measurement and AI</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">08:01 – 09:24 | Using AMEC’s resources to build a measurement-first practice</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:02 – 12:26 | Measure your time and value: Why low-fee retainers undermine real PR work</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:37 – 13:01 | Plan → act → measure: Strategy comes first</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">13:16 – 14:07 | Career fuel: Leveling up skills can reignite your passion for the work</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:09 – 14:30 | Parting encouragement and next steps</li>
</ul>
<p>Highlights and takeaways:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Barcelona Principles update emphasizes business outcomes, not vanity metrics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tie PR to revenue, cost of sales, risk mitigation, and reputation impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Blend quantitative data (traffic, conversions, assisted revenue) with qualitative insights (sentiment, message pull-through).</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Use AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework to plan from objectives to outcomes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Price for the strategic and labor-intensive nature of PR—measurement begins at planning.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Invest in AI and analytics skills to future-proof your practice.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Resources mentioned:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/barcelona-principles-4-0-reinventing-pr-measurement-for-a-new-era/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=digitalinsights080525&amp;utm_content=di03&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Barcelona Principles 4.0: Reinventing PR Measurement for a New Era</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AMEC: <a href='https://amecorg.com/resources/barcelona-principles-4-0/'>Barcelona Principles</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AMEC: <a href='https://amecorg.com/amecframework/'>AMEC Integrated Evaluation Framework (plan, measure, and evaluate end-to-end)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://soloppro.com/join'>Solo PR Pro </a>(training, community, and tools for independent practitioners)</li>
</ul>
<p>Related episodes to queue next:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-pr-measurement-strategy-you-need-to-grow/'>The Measurement Strategy You Need to Grow</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Note: Links are provided for educational purposes. Always adapt frameworks to your client’s specific goals, audiences, and market conditions.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Join us again!</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">If this episode helped you, subscribe, rate, and leave a review—it helps more solo pros find the show.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share this episode with a colleague who’s rethinking their measurement approach.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Solo PR Pro to keep leveling up your practice.</li>
</ul>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Barcelona Principles 2025: What PR Pros Need to Measure Now (Episode 310)
Episode Summary
<p>In episode 310 of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane break down the latest update to the Barcelona Principles and what it means for independent PR and communications pros. They cover the shift toward outcomes that matter to the C-suite, the stronger alignment with AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework, the role of qualitative and quantitative data, and why leveling up in measurement and AI will separate thriving practitioners from the rest. You’ll walk away with practical next steps, resources, and a nudge to price your expertise for the true value you deliver.</p>
<p>Keywords: Barcelona Principles 2025, AMEC framework, PR measurement, qualitative and quantitative metrics, AI in PR, PR outcomes, stakeholder sentiment, media relations, solo PR pricing, communications strategy.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00 – 00:24 | Welcome back to That Solo Life</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:39 – 02:41 | What’s new in the Barcelona Principles (2025 update + AMEC alignment)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:49 – 03:05 | AVEs aren’t it: Why outcomes beat output every time</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:28 – 04:24 | The business case: Tie PR to revenue, cost reduction, and executive priorities</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:01 – 05:23 | Quant + qual: Why both matter for effective evaluation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:36 – 06:11 | From “audience” to “stakeholders”: Measuring sentiment and behavior change</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:12 – 07:11 | Stop fearing data: You already synthesize information—now measure it</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:01 – 07:11 | Two skills that will set pros apart: Measurement and AI</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">08:01 – 09:24 | Using AMEC’s resources to build a measurement-first practice</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:02 – 12:26 | Measure your time and value: Why low-fee retainers undermine real PR work</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:37 – 13:01 | Plan → act → measure: Strategy comes first</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">13:16 – 14:07 | Career fuel: Leveling up skills can reignite your passion for the work</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:09 – 14:30 | Parting encouragement and next steps</li>
</ul>
<p>Highlights and takeaways:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Barcelona Principles update emphasizes business outcomes, not vanity metrics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tie PR to revenue, cost of sales, risk mitigation, and reputation impact.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Blend quantitative data (traffic, conversions, assisted revenue) with qualitative insights (sentiment, message pull-through).</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Use AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework to plan from objectives to outcomes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Price for the strategic and labor-intensive nature of PR—measurement begins at planning.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Invest in AI and analytics skills to future-proof your practice.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Resources mentioned:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR News: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/barcelona-principles-4-0-reinventing-pr-measurement-for-a-new-era/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=digitalinsights080525&amp;utm_content=di03&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>Barcelona Principles 4.0: Reinventing PR Measurement for a New Era</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AMEC: <a href='https://amecorg.com/resources/barcelona-principles-4-0/'>Barcelona Principles</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AMEC: <a href='https://amecorg.com/amecframework/'>AMEC Integrated Evaluation Framework (plan, measure, and evaluate end-to-end)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://soloppro.com/join'>Solo PR Pro </a>(training, community, and tools for independent practitioners)</li>
</ul>
<p>Related episodes to queue next:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-pr-measurement-strategy-you-need-to-grow/'>The Measurement Strategy You Need to Grow</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Note: Links are provided for educational purposes. Always adapt frameworks to your client’s specific goals, audiences, and market conditions.</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Join us again!</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">If this episode helped you, subscribe, rate, and leave a review—it helps more solo pros find the show.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share this episode with a colleague who’s rethinking their measurement approach.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Solo PR Pro to keep leveling up your practice.</li>
</ul>
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Episode Summary
In episode 310 of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane break down the latest update to the Barcelona Principles and what it means for independent PR and communications pros. They cover the shift toward outcomes that matter to the C-suite, the stronger alignment with AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework, the role of qualitative and quantitative data, and why leveling up in measurement and AI will separate thriving practitioners from the rest. You’ll walk away with practical next steps, resources, and a nudge to price your expertise for the true value you deliver.
Keywords: Barcelona Principles 2025, AMEC framework, PR measurement, qualitative and quantitative metrics, AI in PR, PR outcomes, stakeholder sentiment, media relations, solo PR pricing, communications strategy.
Episode Highlights

00:00 – 00:24 | Welcome back to That Solo Life
01:39 – 02:41 | What’s new in the Barcelona Principles (2025 update + AMEC alignment)
02:49 – 03:05 | AVEs aren’t it: Why outcomes beat output every time
03:28 – 04:24 | The business case: Tie PR to revenue, cost reduction, and executive priorities
05:01 – 05:23 | Quant + qual: Why both matter for effective evaluation
05:36 – 06:11 | From “audience” to “stakeholders”: Measuring sentiment and behavior change
06:12 – 07:11 | Stop fearing data: You already synthesize information—now measure it
07:01 – 07:11 | Two skills that will set pros apart: Measurement and AI
08:01 – 09:24 | Using AMEC’s resources to build a measurement-first practice
11:02 – 12:26 | Measure your time and value: Why low-fee retainers undermine real PR work
12:37 – 13:01 | Plan → act → measure: Strategy comes first
13:16 – 14:07 | Career fuel: Leveling up skills can reignite your passion for the work
14:09 – 14:30 | Parting encouragement and next steps

Highlights and takeaways:

The Barcelona Principles update emphasizes business outcomes, not vanity metrics.
Tie PR to revenue, cost of sales, risk mitigation, and reputation impact.
Blend quantitative data (traffic, conversions, assisted revenue) with qualitative insights (sentiment, message pull-through).
Use AMEC’s Integrated Evaluation Framework to plan from objectives to outcomes.
Price for the strategic and labor-intensive nature of PR—measurement begins at planning.
Invest in AI and analytics skills to future-proof your practice.

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
Resources mentioned:

PR News: Barcelona Principles 4.0: Reinventing PR Measurement for a New Era
AMEC: Barcelona Principles
AMEC: AMEC Integrated Evaluation Framework (plan, measure, and evaluate end-to-end)
Solo PR Pro (training, community, and tools for independent practitioners)

Related episodes to queue next:

The Measurement Strategy You Need to Grow

Note: Links are provided for educational purposes. Always adapt frameworks to your client’s specific goals, audiences, and market conditions.
Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
Join us again!

If this episode helped you, subscribe, rate, and leave a review—it helps more solo pros find the show.
Share this episode with a colleague who’s rethinking their measurement approach.
Visit Solo PR Pro to keep leveling up your practice.
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        <title>Hits And Misses Of The Hot Mess Summer Of 2025 (Ep. 311)</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Hits And Misses Of The Hot Mess Summer Of 2025 (Ep. 311)
Episode Summary
<p>This week on That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane unpack this“Hot Mess Summer”—the surprising, cringey, and cautionary moments that shaped the season for PR and communications pros. From return-to-office whiplash and AI overpromises to social media pile-ons, brand missteps, and the pursuit of excellence in a rush-first culture, they offer candid insights and practical takeaways for solo practitioners navigating constant change.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12–01:08 | Welcome back: Setting up the “Hot Mess Summer” theme for PR and marketing pros </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:29–02:32 | The world of work: RTO mandates, hiring freezes, and overestimating AI’s impact </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:33–03:41 | Planning in uncertainty: How economic jitters ripple through day-to-day comms work </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:53–05:04 | Social media fatigue: Declining nuance, instant outrage, and what it means for brands </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:04–06:22 | The vigilante effect: Why some users treat negativity as a hobby—and how to respond </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:32–07:17 | Slowing down to get it right: Replying with care in a rush-first culture </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:48–09:10 | Over-curation vs. authenticity: Balancing audience feedback with sound business decisions </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:16–10:12 | People-pleasing pitfalls: You can’t please everyone—stay true to mission and values </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:31–10:11 | Event aesthetics vs. meaning: Designing for impact, not just Instagram </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">10:12–11:05 | Community pile-ons: Why “take it to the business first” matters </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:05–12:08 | Complication creep: Tech, AI, and unnecessary hurdles for communicators </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:46–12:46 | Excellence still matters: How quality elevates audience experience </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:47–14:05 | Brand name changes gone sideways: Lessons from high-profile rebrands </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:39–15:53 | Risk hygiene: The case against bringing blankets to the movies (and other practical worries) </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">16:00–16:22 | Looking ahead: Manifesting a calmer, more prosperous fall for solos </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">16:19–16:35 | Join the convo: How to share your Hot Mess Summer stories</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 300: <a href='https://www.podbean.com/ep/pb-s4adu-18ada88'>How To Manage Sticky Situations In PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Entrepreneur: <a href='https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/how-to-set-boundaries-with-your-clients/495255'>How to Set Boundaries With Your Clients Without Losing Business</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Share and Subscribe!</p>
<p>If this episode made you nod, laugh, or rethink your approach, don’t keep it to yourself—follow That Solo Life in your favorite podcast app, leave a 5-star review to help other solo pros find us, and share Episode 311 with a colleague. Got your own “Hot Mess Summer” story or a topic you want us to tackle? Send it to us at soloprpro.com. Your story might be featured in an upcoming episode!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Hits And Misses Of The Hot Mess Summer Of 2025 (Ep. 311)
Episode Summary
<p>This week on That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane unpack this“Hot Mess Summer”—the surprising, cringey, and cautionary moments that shaped the season for PR and communications pros. From return-to-office whiplash and AI overpromises to social media pile-ons, brand missteps, and the pursuit of excellence in a rush-first culture, they offer candid insights and practical takeaways for solo practitioners navigating constant change.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12–01:08 | Welcome back: Setting up the “Hot Mess Summer” theme for PR and marketing pros </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:29–02:32 | The world of work: RTO mandates, hiring freezes, and overestimating AI’s impact </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:33–03:41 | Planning in uncertainty: How economic jitters ripple through day-to-day comms work </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:53–05:04 | Social media fatigue: Declining nuance, instant outrage, and what it means for brands </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:04–06:22 | The vigilante effect: Why some users treat negativity as a hobby—and how to respond </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:32–07:17 | Slowing down to get it right: Replying with care in a rush-first culture </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:48–09:10 | Over-curation vs. authenticity: Balancing audience feedback with sound business decisions </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:16–10:12 | People-pleasing pitfalls: You can’t please everyone—stay true to mission and values </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:31–10:11 | Event aesthetics vs. meaning: Designing for impact, not just Instagram </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">10:12–11:05 | Community pile-ons: Why “take it to the business first” matters </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:05–12:08 | Complication creep: Tech, AI, and unnecessary hurdles for communicators </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:46–12:46 | Excellence still matters: How quality elevates audience experience </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:47–14:05 | Brand name changes gone sideways: Lessons from high-profile rebrands </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">14:39–15:53 | Risk hygiene: The case against bringing blankets to the movies (and other practical worries) </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">16:00–16:22 | Looking ahead: Manifesting a calmer, more prosperous fall for solos </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">16:19–16:35 | Join the convo: How to share your Hot Mess Summer stories</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 300: <a href='https://www.podbean.com/ep/pb-s4adu-18ada88'>How To Manage Sticky Situations In PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Entrepreneur: <a href='https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/how-to-set-boundaries-with-your-clients/495255'>How to Set Boundaries With Your Clients Without Losing Business</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
<p>Share and Subscribe!</p>
<p>If this episode made you nod, laugh, or rethink your approach, don’t keep it to yourself—follow That Solo Life in your favorite podcast app, leave a 5-star review to help other solo pros find us, and share Episode 311 with a colleague. Got your own “Hot Mess Summer” story or a topic you want us to tackle? Send it to us at soloprpro.com. Your story might be featured in an upcoming episode!</p>
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        <title>When Being Great at PR Gets in the Way of Life</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane dive into the unique challenges PR professionals face when their exceptional skills at work start to interfere with their personal lives. From overthinking to overworking, they explore how these traits, while beneficial in the professional realm, can hinder personal growth and enjoyment. Karen and Michelle share personal stories, practical advice, and encouragement to help solo PR pros find balance and live a more fulfilling life.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:18] Introduction: Karen and Michelle set the stage for today’s topic.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:00] The double-edged sword of overthinking: How it makes PR pros great at their jobs but can complicate personal life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:16] Acknowledging the problem: The first step to overcoming overthinking and overworking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:41] Personal stories: Karen and Michelle share how they’ve learned to step back and prioritize fun.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:10] The importance of taking breaks: Why PR pros need to take their foot off the gas routinely.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:07] Finding intentionality: How being deliberate about work and personal time can lead to a healthier balance.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:07] Learning to say no: Why “no” is a complete sentence and how it can protect your mental health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[17:22] The power of fun: How rediscovering joy can make you better at work and in life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[18:12] Final thoughts: Encouragement to put your PR tools away at the end of the day and live a full, rich life.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Related Episodes:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 299: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-can-do-spirit-of-pr-practitioners-crosses-generations/'>The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations </a>That Solo Life, Episode 205:<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-land-of-the-wounded-mental-health-and-pr/'>The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR</a> </li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Additional Resources:</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Dr. Tracey Marks: <a href='https://youtu.be/TGUouL4ZAN4?si=GdzpCEWwENAup3ry'>How to Stop Overthinking </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Healthline: <a href='https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-stop-overthinking'>14 Ways to Stop Overthinking</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
Join us next week!
<p>If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and share it with your network. </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode Summary
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane dive into the unique challenges PR professionals face when their exceptional skills at work start to interfere with their personal lives. From overthinking to overworking, they explore how these traits, while beneficial in the professional realm, can hinder personal growth and enjoyment. Karen and Michelle share personal stories, practical advice, and encouragement to help solo PR pros find balance and live a more fulfilling life.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:18] Introduction: Karen and Michelle set the stage for today’s topic.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:00] The double-edged sword of overthinking: How it makes PR pros great at their jobs but can complicate personal life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:16] Acknowledging the problem: The first step to overcoming overthinking and overworking.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[04:41] Personal stories: Karen and Michelle share how they’ve learned to step back and prioritize fun.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:10] The importance of taking breaks: Why PR pros need to take their foot off the gas routinely.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[10:07] Finding intentionality: How being deliberate about work and personal time can lead to a healthier balance.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[16:07] Learning to say no: Why “no” is a complete sentence and how it can protect your mental health.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[17:22] The power of fun: How rediscovering joy can make you better at work and in life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[18:12] Final thoughts: Encouragement to put your PR tools away at the end of the day and live a full, rich life.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
<p>Related Episodes:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life, Episode 299: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-can-do-spirit-of-pr-practitioners-crosses-generations/'><em>The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations</em> </a>That Solo Life, Episode 205:<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-land-of-the-wounded-mental-health-and-pr/'><em>The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR</em></a> </li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Additional Resources:</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Dr. Tracey Marks: <a href='https://youtu.be/TGUouL4ZAN4?si=GdzpCEWwENAup3ry'>How to Stop Overthinking </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Healthline: <a href='https://www.healthline.com/health/how-to-stop-overthinking'>14 Ways to Stop Overthinking</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p><em>That Solo Life</em> is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.</p>
Join us next week!
<p>If you enjoyed this episode, don’t forget to subscribe to <em>That Solo Life</em> on your favorite podcast platform and share it with your network. </p>
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In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane dive into the unique challenges PR professionals face when their exceptional skills at work start to interfere with their personal lives. From overthinking to overworking, they explore how these traits, while beneficial in the professional realm, can hinder personal growth and enjoyment. Karen and Michelle share personal stories, practical advice, and encouragement to help solo PR pros find balance and live a more fulfilling life.
Episode Highlights

[00:18] Introduction: Karen and Michelle set the stage for today’s topic.
[01:00] The double-edged sword of overthinking: How it makes PR pros great at their jobs but can complicate personal life.
[03:16] Acknowledging the problem: The first step to overcoming overthinking and overworking.
[04:41] Personal stories: Karen and Michelle share how they’ve learned to step back and prioritize fun.
[08:10] The importance of taking breaks: Why PR pros need to take their foot off the gas routinely.
[10:07] Finding intentionality: How being deliberate about work and personal time can lead to a healthier balance.
[16:07] Learning to say no: Why “no” is a complete sentence and how it can protect your mental health.
[17:22] The power of fun: How rediscovering joy can make you better at work and in life.
[18:12] Final thoughts: Encouragement to put your PR tools away at the end of the day and live a full, rich life.

Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information
Related Episodes:

That Solo Life, Episode 299: The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations That Solo Life, Episode 205:The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR 

 

Additional Resources:


Dr. Tracey Marks: How to Stop Overthinking 
Healthline: 14 Ways to Stop Overthinking

Host &amp; Show Info
That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 308: Branding, Bravery and Breaking Through with Melissa Vela-Williamson
Episode Summary: 
<p>Tune in to this powerful episode of That Solo Life featuring Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP,  an accomplished PR strategist, author, and advocate for inclusivity in communication. Hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane sit down for an intimate chat with Melissa, discussing her inspiring career and successful personal brand. Melissa shares why it is so important to be a little louder and how that benefits your career and lights the way for the next generation. Melissa does not hold back in sharing her challenges on the road to success and how she solves for fear and the expectations of others. Grab a group and listen to this episode together!</p>
<p>Guests: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP, Founder of MVW Communications, Author, and Speaker </li>
</ul>
<p>Key Topics Covered: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:02:30] Melissa’s PR career path and her inspiration for writing two books. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:07:10] The importance of self-promotion and building a personal brand as a solo PR pro. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:13:45] Overcoming imposter syndrome to gain confidence and attract the right clients. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:20:40] Using storytelling and cultural intelligence (CQ) to connect on a deeper level. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:29:15] Applying PR strategies to amplify diversity and inclusivity in the industry. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:38:00] Melissa’s advice for staying consistent and authentic in your solo practice. </li>
</ul>
<p>About Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP:</p>
<p>Melissa Vela-Williamson is an accredited, internationally recognized public relations strategist, national industry columnist, podcast host, and author. For over two decades, she has provided strategic public relations counsel, professional communication services, and shared leadership guidance with over 100 brands -- educating, equipping, and empowering diverse audiences ranging from children to CEOs. Melissa serves as a consultant, trainer, and account director at her boutique PR firm, MVW Communications. With unique experience in employee communications and DEI, Melissa leverages her PR expertise and acumen as a certified diversity professional to create social good. She represents only 750 PR professionals nationwide who have earned the elite PRSA College of Fellows credential. Her first book, “<a href='http://www.mvw360.com/book'>Smart Talk: Public Relations Essentials All Pros Should Know</a>” was published Oct. 2022 and is an Amazon Bestseller. Her second industry book, “<a href='https://latinasinpr.com/'>Latinas in Public Relations: Shaping Communications, Communities, and Culture</a>” was published during Women's History Month 2025 and quickly became an Amazon Bestseller in three categories. She shares communication insights and advice through her podcast, <a href='https://www.mvw360.com/smarttalk'>“Smart Talk Series”</a>, her Public Relations Society of America column,  and through her blog at <a href='http://mvw360.com/'>mvw360.com</a>. </p>
<p>Resources Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Melissa’s website,<a href='https://mvw360.com'> MVW360.com</a>, for more on her books, services, and resources. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Get Melissa’s books: <a href='http://www.mvw360.com/book'>Smart Talk: Public Relations Essentials All Pros Should Know</a> and <a href='https://latinasinpr.com/'>Latinas in Public Relations: Shaping Communications, Communities, and Culture</a>.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Melissa on LinkedIn at<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissavelawilliamson/'> Melissa Vela-Williamson</a>. </li>
</ul>
<p>Call to Action: </p>
<p>Don't miss an episode of That Solo Life! Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to stay updated. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review and share it with your solo PR network. For more resources and insights, join the Solo PR Pro community at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> our website</a>. Your next level in solo PR starts here!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 308: Branding, Bravery and Breaking Through with Melissa Vela-Williamson
Episode Summary: 
<p>Tune in to this powerful episode of <em>That Solo Life</em> featuring Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP,  an accomplished PR strategist, author, and advocate for inclusivity in communication. Hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane sit down for an intimate chat with Melissa, discussing her inspiring career and successful personal brand. Melissa shares why it is so important to be a little louder and how that benefits your career and lights the way for the next generation. Melissa does not hold back in sharing her challenges on the road to success and how she solves for fear and the expectations of others. Grab a group and listen to this episode together!</p>
<p>Guests: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP, Founder of MVW Communications, Author, and Speaker </li>
</ul>
<p>Key Topics Covered: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:02:30] Melissa’s PR career path and her inspiration for writing two books. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:07:10] The importance of self-promotion and building a personal brand as a solo PR pro. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:13:45] Overcoming imposter syndrome to gain confidence and attract the right clients. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:20:40] Using storytelling and cultural intelligence (CQ) to connect on a deeper level. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:29:15] Applying PR strategies to amplify diversity and inclusivity in the industry. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:38:00] Melissa’s advice for staying consistent and authentic in your solo practice. </li>
</ul>
<p>About Melissa Vela-Williamson, APR, Fellow PRSA, CDP:</p>
<p>Melissa Vela-Williamson is an accredited, internationally recognized public relations strategist, national industry columnist, podcast host, and author. For over two decades, she has provided strategic public relations counsel, professional communication services, and shared leadership guidance with over 100 brands -- educating, equipping, and empowering diverse audiences ranging from children to CEOs. Melissa serves as a consultant, trainer, and account director at her boutique PR firm, MVW Communications. With unique experience in employee communications and DEI, Melissa leverages her PR expertise and acumen as a certified diversity professional to create social good. She represents only 750 PR professionals nationwide who have earned the elite PRSA College of Fellows credential. Her first book, “<a href='http://www.mvw360.com/book'>Smart Talk: Public Relations Essentials All Pros Should Know</a>” was published Oct. 2022 and is an Amazon Bestseller. Her second industry book, “<a href='https://latinasinpr.com/'>Latinas in Public Relations: Shaping Communications, Communities, and Culture</a>” was published during Women's History Month 2025 and quickly became an Amazon Bestseller in three categories. She shares communication insights and advice through her podcast, <a href='https://www.mvw360.com/smarttalk'>“Smart Talk Series”</a>, her Public Relations Society of America column,  and through her blog at <a href='http://mvw360.com/'>mvw360.com</a>. </p>
<p>Resources Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Melissa’s website,<a href='https://mvw360.com'> MVW360.com</a>, for more on her books, services, and resources. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Get Melissa’s books: <a href='http://www.mvw360.com/book'>Smart Talk: Public Relations Essentials All Pros Should Know</a> and <a href='https://latinasinpr.com/'>Latinas in Public Relations: Shaping Communications, Communities, and Culture</a>.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Melissa on LinkedIn at<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/melissavelawilliamson/'> Melissa Vela-Williamson</a>. </li>
</ul>
<p>Call to Action: </p>
<p>Don't miss an episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>! Subscribe on your favorite podcast platform to stay updated. If you enjoyed this episode, leave a review and share it with your solo PR network. For more resources and insights, join the Solo PR Pro community at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> our website</a>. Your next level in solo PR starts here!</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 307: Media Under the Influence
Episode Summary 
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane tackle the significant and timely topic of "Media Under the Influence." Together, they explore how modern-day pressures, including governmental interference and financial constraints, are impacting media integrity. They examine the implications for public relations, the importance of preserving local journalism, and how a free press is integral to maintaining a democratic society. With their uniquely supportive yet candid approach, Karen and Michelle share their perspective as seasoned communication professionals and empower listeners with actionable insights for championing an independent media landscape. </p>
Episode Highlights 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:12] Welcome and episode introduction by Michelle and Karen. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:09] Introduction to the topic - What does "Media Under the Influence" mean? </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:31] The erosion of media integrity due to governmental and corporate influence. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:14] Discussion on recent examples, including Stephen Colbert's show announcement and high-profile media lawsuits. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:36] The crucial role of journalism in public relations and democracy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:34] A look at history - How stifling free press aligns with authoritarian regimes. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:15] Encouragement to consume diverse information for balanced perspectives. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:06] Reflection on diminishing local journalism and its ripple effects. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:30] Empowering solo practitioners to support and advocate for a free press. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:28] Final thoughts, inspiration for PR practitioners, and a message to protect media integrity.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 301: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-need-for-thoughtful-engagement-in-an-age-of-clickbait/'>The Need for Thoughtful Engagement in an Age of Clickbait</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 298: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-potpourri-a-look-back-at-q1-2025/'>PR Potpourri: A Look Back at Q1 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 242: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/media-mayhem-and-what-happens-in-a-small-town/'>Media, Mayhem and What Happens in a Small Town</a></li>
</ul>
Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://muckrack.com/research/local-journalist-index'>Muck Rack Local Journalist Index</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.theajp.org/news-insights/the-state-of-local-news-and-why-it-matters/'>Why Local News Matters</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.theajp.org/news-insights/insights/local-news-can-keep-government-accountable/'>How Local News Holds Governments Accountable</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/prsa-resources/ethics#code'>PRSA Code of Ethics</a> (scroll down for Provisions of Code)</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info 
<p>That Solo Life is the go-to podcast for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who are navigating the unique challenges of working independently or in small teams. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the podcast delivers expert insights, encouragement, and actionable advice. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting your solo PR career, you'll find the support and empowerment you need. </p>
Take action!
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Don’t miss out on future insights! </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Don’t miss out on our upcoming lineup of great guests and topics! Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share this episode with your fellow PR pros and spread the word about protecting media integrity. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for additional resources tailored for solo practitioners. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Leave us a review and tell us how this episode inspired you! </li>
</ul>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 307: Media Under the Influence
Episode Summary 
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane tackle the significant and timely topic of "Media Under the Influence." Together, they explore how modern-day pressures, including governmental interference and financial constraints, are impacting media integrity. They examine the implications for public relations, the importance of preserving local journalism, and how a free press is integral to maintaining a democratic society. With their uniquely supportive yet candid approach, Karen and Michelle share their perspective as seasoned communication professionals and empower listeners with actionable insights for championing an independent media landscape. </p>
Episode Highlights 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:12] Welcome and episode introduction by Michelle and Karen. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:09] Introduction to the topic - What does "Media Under the Influence" mean? </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:31] The erosion of media integrity due to governmental and corporate influence. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:14] Discussion on recent examples, including Stephen Colbert's show announcement and high-profile media lawsuits. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:36] The crucial role of journalism in public relations and democracy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:34] A look at history - How stifling free press aligns with authoritarian regimes. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:15] Encouragement to consume diverse information for balanced perspectives. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[08:06] Reflection on diminishing local journalism and its ripple effects. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:30] Empowering solo practitioners to support and advocate for a free press. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:28] Final thoughts, inspiration for PR practitioners, and a message to protect media integrity.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 301: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-need-for-thoughtful-engagement-in-an-age-of-clickbait/'>The Need for Thoughtful Engagement in an Age of Clickbait</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 298: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-potpourri-a-look-back-at-q1-2025/'>PR Potpourri: A Look Back at Q1 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 242: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/media-mayhem-and-what-happens-in-a-small-town/'>Media, Mayhem and What Happens in a Small Town</a></li>
</ul>
Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://muckrack.com/research/local-journalist-index'>Muck Rack Local Journalist Index</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.theajp.org/news-insights/the-state-of-local-news-and-why-it-matters/'>Why Local News Matters</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.theajp.org/news-insights/insights/local-news-can-keep-government-accountable/'>How Local News Holds Governments Accountable</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/prsa-resources/ethics#code'>PRSA Code of Ethics</a> (scroll down for Provisions of Code)</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info 
<p><em>That Solo Life</em> is the go-to podcast for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who are navigating the unique challenges of working independently or in small teams. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the podcast delivers expert insights, encouragement, and actionable advice. Whether you're a seasoned pro or just starting your solo PR career, you'll find the support and empowerment you need. </p>
Take action!
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Don’t miss out on future insights! </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Don’t miss out on our upcoming lineup of great guests and topics! Subscribe to <em>That Solo Life</em> on your favorite podcast platform. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share this episode with your fellow PR pros and spread the word about protecting media integrity. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for additional resources tailored for solo practitioners. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Leave us a review and tell us how this episode inspired you! </li>
</ul>
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Episode Summary: 
<p>Social media platforms have changed dramatically, leaving many public relations and marketing professionals questioning their next steps. On this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane explore the current state of social media and offer practical advice for staying relevant and strategic. They discuss the platforms worth keeping an eye on, how to align your presence with your client's audience, and the importance of balancing professional engagement with personal values. Whether you're an advocate of LinkedIn or wary of TikTok, you’ll gain clarity on the evolving landscape and actionable insights to guide your strategy. </p>
Episode Highlights: 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:18] – Welcome! Karen and Michelle kick off with a relatable chat about unpredictable summer weather. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:09] – Transition to the hot topic of managing professional social media strategies in a turbulent environment. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:04] – Is LinkedIn still the safe space for PR pros, or has its engagement also shifted? </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:55] – Exploring generational divides in media consumption and why multi-platform strategies are critical today. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:35] – The surprising continued relevance of Facebook in niche and community-focused marketing strategies. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:07] – Why emotional assessments are key when re-evaluating your social media presence mid-year. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:08] – Karen and Michelle’s parting advice on standing by your values while staying adaptable for clients. </li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Assess which social media platforms best align with your audience and professional values before committing your resources.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Diversify your strategies—don’t rely solely on one channel to reach target audiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Regularly re-evaluate your PR and marketing approaches in response to evolving platform dynamics and audience preferences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Community and connection are as important as algorithm-driven reach; prioritize authentic engagement.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Balance professional obligations with personal ethics when working with or recommending specific platforms.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information: 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 284: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Hubspot: <a href='https://offers.hubspot.com/social-media-trends-report'>Social Media Trends Report</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for tools and resources that help PR pros thrive. </li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info: 
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. </p>
Subscribe and Share 
<p>Enjoyed the episode? Don’t miss out on future insights! Subscribe to That Solo Life wherever you listen to podcasts. If you loved today’s discussion, share it with your fellow solo PR pros and marketing peers. Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for more resources, and connect with us to share your thoughts—because your voice matters! </p>
Talk to Us
<p>We’d love to hear your thoughts on AI’s impact on PR and how you’re adapting in your career! Connect with us through the following platforms:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you for tuning in to this episode of That Solo Life! Stay connected to continue the conversation. </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Title: Where the Wild Things Are - Rethinking Social Media in 2025
Episode Summary: 
<p>Social media platforms have changed dramatically, leaving many public relations and marketing professionals questioning their next steps. On this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane explore the current state of social media and offer practical advice for staying relevant and strategic. They discuss the platforms worth keeping an eye on, how to align your presence with your client's audience, and the importance of balancing professional engagement with personal values. Whether you're an advocate of LinkedIn or wary of TikTok, you’ll gain clarity on the evolving landscape and actionable insights to guide your strategy. </p>
Episode Highlights: 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:18] – Welcome! Karen and Michelle kick off with a relatable chat about unpredictable summer weather. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[02:09] – Transition to the hot topic of managing professional social media strategies in a turbulent environment. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:04] – Is LinkedIn still the safe space for PR pros, or has its engagement also shifted? </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:55] – Exploring generational divides in media consumption and why multi-platform strategies are critical today. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[07:35] – The surprising continued relevance of Facebook in niche and community-focused marketing strategies. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:07] – Why emotional assessments are key when re-evaluating your social media presence mid-year. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[12:08] – Karen and Michelle’s parting advice on standing by your values while staying adaptable for clients. </li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Assess which social media platforms best align with your audience and professional values before committing your resources.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Diversify your strategies—don’t rely solely on one channel to reach target audiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Regularly re-evaluate your PR and marketing approaches in response to evolving platform dynamics and audience preferences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Community and connection are as important as algorithm-driven reach; prioritize authentic engagement.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Balance professional obligations with personal ethics when working with or recommending specific platforms.</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Information: 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 284: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-use-an-audit-to-unlock-social-media-success/'>How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Hubspot: <a href='https://offers.hubspot.com/social-media-trends-report'>Social Media Trends Report</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for tools and resources that help PR pros thrive. </li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info: 
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. </p>
Subscribe and Share 
<p>Enjoyed the episode? Don’t miss out on future insights! Subscribe to <em>That Solo Life</em> wherever you listen to podcasts. If you loved today’s discussion, share it with your fellow solo PR pros and marketing peers. Visit<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> for more resources, and connect with us to share your thoughts—because your voice matters! </p>
Talk to Us
<p>We’d love to hear your thoughts on AI’s impact on PR and how you’re adapting in your career! Connect with us through the following platforms:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you for tuning in to this episode of <em>That Solo Life!</em> Stay connected to continue the conversation. </p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Episode 305: AI and the PR Profession: What You Need to Know to Future Proof Your Career
Episode Summary (00:00)
Join hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane as they explore the rapidly changing landscape of public relations in the age of artificial intelligence. This episode dives into AI's potential to reshape the PR industry, with insights from the World Economic Forum's "Future of Jobs 2025" report. Karen and Michelle discuss how PR professionals can stay ahead of AI-driven shifts by combining human creativity and critical thinking with evolving technological skills. Whether you're curious about where PR is heading or eager to future-proof your career, this episode has something for you.
Episode Highlights / Key Takeaways (02:30)
AI's Rapid Evolution (03:10) 
 AI developments are accelerating quickly, and organizations are prioritizing AI adoption to drive efficiency and innovation. The World Economic Forum's report highlights how AI will alter the job market, emphasizing skill adaptation across industries. 
Opportunities for PR Professionals (06:00) 
 While AI can handle repetitive tasks like data entry or basic writing, the demand for human-driven skills like strategic thinking, problem-solving, and storytelling remains strong. PR pros can leverage AI to focus on high-impact work, such as reputation management and aligning communications with business goals. 
Aligning with Industry Trends (09:15) 
 The blend of human and technological skills will be essential in the future. PR practitioners are encouraged to become tech-savvy, understand data analytics, and discover new ways to use AI as a tool to deliver deeper value to clients. 
Reframing AI (12:30) 
PR professionals should approach AI as a complementary tool, not a replacement. AI can empower professionals to deliver smarter, faster, and more strategic solutions, freeing them to focus on advancing their clients' objectives. 
The Importance of Future Planning (15:50) 
 Karen and Michelle emphasize the need for independent practitioners to anticipate industry shifts. Solos can remain competitive and resilient by staying informed, continuously upskilling, and focusing on how to solve client needs in an AI-driven world. 
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<p>Explore more episodes addressing tech and strategy in PR:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 293: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/why-its-time-to-advance-ai-discussions-in-pr/'>Why It’s Time to Advance AI Discussions in PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 279: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-storytelling-in-an-ai-world/'>The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Additional Resources: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">World Economic Forum: <a href='https://www.weforum.org/publications/the-future-of-jobs-report-2025/'>Future of Jobs 2025 Report</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Under the Desk News (Instagram @underthedesknews): <a href='https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLX7MuAPjM1/?igsh=MXMxbWg5OTBpZWNnOQ=='>Insights from AI Conference</a> (instagram)</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. </p>
Talk to Us
<p>We’d love to hear your thoughts on AI’s impact on PR and how you’re adapting in your career! Connect with us through the following platforms:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you for tuning in to this episode of That Solo Life! Stay connected to continue the conversation. </p>
Subscribe and Share
<p>Don’t miss an episode! Be sure to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your podcast platform of choice. Love what you hear? Share the episode with your colleagues and friends, and l<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>eave us a review</a> to help more listeners find the podcast. Engage with us on social media—we'd love to hear your thoughts!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode 305: AI and the PR Profession: What You Need to Know to Future Proof Your Career
Episode Summary (00:00)
Join hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane as they explore the rapidly changing landscape of public relations in the age of artificial intelligence. This episode dives into AI's potential to reshape the PR industry, with insights from the World Economic Forum's "Future of Jobs 2025" report. Karen and Michelle discuss how PR professionals can stay ahead of AI-driven shifts by combining human creativity and critical thinking with evolving technological skills. Whether you're curious about where PR is heading or eager to future-proof your career, this episode has something for you.
Episode Highlights / Key Takeaways (02:30)
AI's Rapid Evolution (03:10) 
 AI developments are accelerating quickly, and organizations are prioritizing AI adoption to drive efficiency and innovation. The World Economic Forum's report highlights how AI will alter the job market, emphasizing skill adaptation across industries. 
Opportunities for PR Professionals (06:00) 
 While AI can handle repetitive tasks like data entry or basic writing, the demand for human-driven skills like strategic thinking, problem-solving, and storytelling remains strong. PR pros can leverage AI to focus on high-impact work, such as reputation management and aligning communications with business goals. 
Aligning with Industry Trends (09:15) 
 The blend of human and technological skills will be essential in the future. PR practitioners are encouraged to become tech-savvy, understand data analytics, and discover new ways to use AI as a tool to deliver deeper value to clients. 
Reframing AI (12:30) 
PR professionals should approach AI as a complementary tool, not a replacement. AI can empower professionals to deliver smarter, faster, and more strategic solutions, freeing them to focus on advancing their clients' objectives. 
The Importance of Future Planning (15:50) 
 Karen and Michelle emphasize the need for independent practitioners to anticipate industry shifts. Solos can remain competitive and resilient by staying informed, continuously upskilling, and focusing on how to solve client needs in an AI-driven world. 
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<p>Explore more episodes addressing tech and strategy in PR:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 293: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/why-its-time-to-advance-ai-discussions-in-pr/'>Why It’s Time to Advance AI Discussions in PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 279: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-storytelling-in-an-ai-world/'>The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Additional Resources: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">World Economic Forum: <a href='https://www.weforum.org/publications/the-future-of-jobs-report-2025/'>Future of Jobs 2025 Report</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Under the Desk News (Instagram @underthedesknews): <a href='https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLX7MuAPjM1/?igsh=MXMxbWg5OTBpZWNnOQ=='>Insights from AI Conference</a> (instagram)</li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast created for public relations, communication, and marketing professionals who work as independent and small practitioners. Hosted by Karen Swim, APR, founder of Words For Hire and President of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, Principal of Voice Matters, the show delivers expert insights, encouragement, and advice for solo PR pros navigating today’s dynamic professional landscape. </p>
Talk to Us
<p>We’d love to hear your thoughts on AI’s impact on PR and how you’re adapting in your career! Connect with us through the following platforms:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Thank you for tuning in to this episode of <em>That Solo Life!</em> Stay connected to continue the conversation. </p>
Subscribe and Share
<p>Don’t miss an episode! Be sure to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your podcast platform of choice. Love what you hear? Share the episode with your colleagues and friends, and l<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>eave us a review</a> to help more listeners find the podcast. Engage with us on social media—we'd love to hear your thoughts!</p>
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        <title>The Powerful Insights Learned From Going Back To School</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 304: The Powerful Insights Learned From Going Back To School
Episode Summary
<p>Join hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane as they welcome Veleisa Patton Burrell, an accomplished PR professional and educator. Together they explore the twists and turns of Veleisa's career—from solo entrepreneurship to agency life, and now as an adjunct professor guiding the next generation of communicators. This candid conversation covers career transitions, the evolving role of PR, the integration of AI in the workplace and education, and the importance of critical thinking. Prepare to be inspired by Veleisa's insights on mentorship, resilience, and finding balance in a challenging job market.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Veleisa's 20-year career in PR and communications</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The decision to shift between solo work, agency life, and teaching</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How teaching has reignited her passion for storytelling and mentorship</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The role of AI in PR and education, and how to use it as a tool rather than a crutch</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of curiosity, critical thinking, and learning from failure</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Encouraging the younger generation to be authentic and build meaningful careers</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips on setting boundaries for a healthy work-life balance</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<p>[00:13] Introduction to the episode and Veleisa Patton Burrell
[01:37] Veleisa shares her career background and transition to solo work in 2017
[03:22] Teaching as an adjunct professor and rediscovering excitement for the field
[07:53] Inspiring the next generation through storytelling and shared values
[13:09] The impact of failure and fostering resilience in your career
[19:57] Insights on balancing work with personal boundaries and self-care
[21:17] Exploring the role of AI in education and PR, and critical thinking as a foundational skill
[28:00] Closing thoughts and where to follow Veleisa</p>
About Veleisa Patton Burrell
<p>Veleisa Patton Burrell is a trusted counselor to clients and peers alike, providing strategic guidance on integrated communications, including media relations, content development, digital communication and executive visibility. Her talents lie in detailing company values through owned storytelling consistently across mediums to earn media coverage and improve reputation with employees, partners, and clients and industry peers.</p>
<p>Most recently, as an executive for FleishmanHillard, a global PR agency, and Denny’s, a storied restaurant brand that is known as “America’s Diner,” Veleisa advised senior leaders on issues and crisis, developed media relations strategies and oversaw execution of thought leadership opportunities such as speaking engagements and interviews.</p>
<p>Side work as a mindfulness facilitator and yoga instructor keeps Veleisa’s mind and body strong and resilient. She graduated from Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, with a bachelor’s degree in corporate communications and public affairs; she now teaches an undergraduate capstone course at the school as an adjunct professor. She later earned a master’s degree in communication studies from the University of Texas at Arlington. Veleisa was named to Public Relations Society of America Dallas inaugural 40 Under 40 list in 2021 and was previously a board director for the chapter.</p>
<p>You can connect with Veleisa on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/veleisa-patton-burrell/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Ragan: <a href='https://www.ragan.com/dennys-veleisa-patton-burrell-on-embracing-tech-and-the-changing-comms-landscape/'>Denny’s Veleisa Patton Burrell on embracing tech and the changing comms landscape</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Nature: <a href='https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-04787-yS'>The effect of ChatGPT on students’ learning performance, learning perception, and higher-order thinking: insights from a meta-analysis</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">World Economic Forum: <a href='https://www.weforum.org/stories/2025/05/why-ai-literacy-is-now-a-core-competency-in-education/'>Why AI literacy is now a core competency in education</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Forbes: <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianehamilton/2025/03/08/organizations-saving-millions-by-embracing-curiosity-heres-the-proof/'>Organizations Are Saving Millions By Embracing Curiosity—Here’s The Proof</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of Voice Matters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Subscribe and Share
<p>Don’t miss an episode! Be sure to subscribe to "That Solo Life" on your podcast platform of choice. Love what you hear? Share the episode with your colleagues and friends, and l<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>eave us a review</a> to help more listeners find the podcast. Engage with us on social media—we'd love to hear your thoughts!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 304: The Powerful Insights Learned From Going Back To School
Episode Summary
<p>Join hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane as they welcome Veleisa Patton Burrell, an accomplished PR professional and educator. Together they explore the twists and turns of Veleisa's career—from solo entrepreneurship to agency life, and now as an adjunct professor guiding the next generation of communicators. This candid conversation covers career transitions, the evolving role of PR, the integration of AI in the workplace and education, and the importance of critical thinking. Prepare to be inspired by Veleisa's insights on mentorship, resilience, and finding balance in a challenging job market.</p>
Episode Highlights
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Veleisa's 20-year career in PR and communications</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The decision to shift between solo work, agency life, and teaching</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How teaching has reignited her passion for storytelling and mentorship</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The role of AI in PR and education, and how to use it as a tool rather than a crutch</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of curiosity, critical thinking, and learning from failure</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Encouraging the younger generation to be authentic and build meaningful careers</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips on setting boundaries for a healthy work-life balance</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<p>[00:13] Introduction to the episode and Veleisa Patton Burrell<br>
[01:37] Veleisa shares her career background and transition to solo work in 2017<br>
[03:22] Teaching as an adjunct professor and rediscovering excitement for the field<br>
[07:53] Inspiring the next generation through storytelling and shared values<br>
[13:09] The impact of failure and fostering resilience in your career<br>
[19:57] Insights on balancing work with personal boundaries and self-care<br>
[21:17] Exploring the role of AI in education and PR, and critical thinking as a foundational skill<br>
[28:00] Closing thoughts and where to follow Veleisa</p>
About Veleisa Patton Burrell
<p>Veleisa Patton Burrell is a trusted counselor to clients and peers alike, providing strategic guidance on integrated communications, including media relations, content development, digital communication and executive visibility. Her talents lie in detailing company values through owned storytelling consistently across mediums to earn media coverage and improve reputation with employees, partners, and clients and industry peers.</p>
<p>Most recently, as an executive for FleishmanHillard, a global PR agency, and Denny’s, a storied restaurant brand that is known as “America’s Diner,” Veleisa advised senior leaders on issues and crisis, developed media relations strategies and oversaw execution of thought leadership opportunities such as speaking engagements and interviews.</p>
<p>Side work as a mindfulness facilitator and yoga instructor keeps Veleisa’s mind and body strong and resilient. She graduated from Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas, with a bachelor’s degree in corporate communications and public affairs; she now teaches an undergraduate capstone course at the school as an adjunct professor. She later earned a master’s degree in communication studies from the University of Texas at Arlington. Veleisa was named to Public Relations Society of America Dallas inaugural 40 Under 40 list in 2021 and was previously a board director for the chapter.</p>
<p>You can connect with Veleisa on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/veleisa-patton-burrell/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Ragan: <a href='https://www.ragan.com/dennys-veleisa-patton-burrell-on-embracing-tech-and-the-changing-comms-landscape/'>Denny’s Veleisa Patton Burrell on embracing tech and the changing comms landscape</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Nature: <a href='https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-025-04787-yS'>The effect of ChatGPT on students’ learning performance, learning perception, and higher-order thinking: insights from a meta-analysis</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">World Economic Forum: <a href='https://www.weforum.org/stories/2025/05/why-ai-literacy-is-now-a-core-competency-in-education/'>Why AI literacy is now a core competency in education</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Forbes: <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/dianehamilton/2025/03/08/organizations-saving-millions-by-embracing-curiosity-heres-the-proof/'>Organizations Are Saving Millions By Embracing Curiosity—Here’s The Proof</a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of Voice Matters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Subscribe and Share
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 303: The Folly of AI First Strategies</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Summary:

</p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR  of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane  of Voice Matters explore the growing trend of adopting an “AI-first” strategy in business and marketing. While artificial intelligence has proven to be a valuable tool, Michelle and Karen argue for a balanced approach that prioritizes human expertise and thoughtful integration. They discuss examples of companies misusing AI, how it impacts customer experiences, and smart ways organizations can combine AI with human intelligence for the best outcomes. The episode is a must-listen for PR pros and marketers navigating the evolving digital landscape.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The risks of an AI-first strategy: Why adopting AI without enough forethought or balance creates inefficiencies, costs, and poor customer experiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Examples of misuse: Companies like Xfinity and Business Insider illustrate how over-reliance on AI can backfire.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The human factor: The importance of human intelligence in areas like PR, customer service, and even medical diagnostics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Using AI wisely: How organizations can leverage AI as a complementary tool rather than a full replacement for human effort.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Lessons for PR pros: Why PR professionals must adapt to AI tools while continuing to demonstrate their unique value to organizations.</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:18 - Introductions and episode overview.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:48 - The rise of AI in marketing and business strategies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:40 - Examples of companies going all-in on AI and walking it back (Duolingo, Business Insider).</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:34 - Michelle and Karen discuss Xfinity’s chatbot issues and the customer frustration it causes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">04:36 - Why prioritizing customer experience should always come first.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:25 - Effective uses of AI in ad tools and automation versus areas where human expertise is irreplaceable.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:17 - Human connection and the ongoing need for person-to-person community in a digital age.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:57 - The integration of AI in PR and marketing fields; potential risks and opportunities.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:04 - How PR pros can become trusted advisors by skillfully blending AI tools with human insight.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:53 - Closing thoughts and encouragement to share the episode.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:56 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<p> </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Daily: <a href='https://www.prdaily.com/the-scoop-business-insider-goes-all-in-on-ai-and-slashes-21-of-its-workforce/'>Business Insider layoffs</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Fast Company: <a href='https://www.fastcompany.com/91332763/going-ai-first-appears-to-be-backfiring-on-klarna-and-duolingo'>Going ‘AI first’ appears to be backfiring on Klarna and Duolingo</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Brandnation:<a href='https://brandnation.co.uk/news-insights/the-social-media-updates-to-know-in-june-2025/'> Social Media and AI </a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of Voice Matters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Please Share and Review
<p>If you found this episode helpful, please share it with your network! Don’t forget to subscribe to That Solo Life for weekly insights tailored for PR pros and solo marketers. You can also connect with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>SoloPRPro.com</a> with your questions or comments. Thank you for listening!</p>
<p>Please leave a review<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'> here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 303: The Folly of AI First Strategies</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Summary:<br>
<br>
</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR  of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane  of Voice Matters explore the growing trend of adopting an “AI-first” strategy in business and marketing. While artificial intelligence has proven to be a valuable tool, Michelle and Karen argue for a balanced approach that prioritizes human expertise and thoughtful integration. They discuss examples of companies misusing AI, how it impacts customer experiences, and smart ways organizations can combine AI with human intelligence for the best outcomes. The episode is a must-listen for PR pros and marketers navigating the evolving digital landscape.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The risks of an AI-first strategy: Why adopting AI without enough forethought or balance creates inefficiencies, costs, and poor customer experiences.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Examples of misuse: Companies like Xfinity and Business Insider illustrate how over-reliance on AI can backfire.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The human factor: The importance of human intelligence in areas like PR, customer service, and even medical diagnostics.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Using AI wisely: How organizations can leverage AI as a complementary tool rather than a full replacement for human effort.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Lessons for PR pros: Why PR professionals must adapt to AI tools while continuing to demonstrate their unique value to organizations.</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:18 - Introductions and episode overview.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:48 - The rise of AI in marketing and business strategies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:40 - Examples of companies going all-in on AI and walking it back (Duolingo, Business Insider).</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:34 - Michelle and Karen discuss Xfinity’s chatbot issues and the customer frustration it causes.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">04:36 - Why prioritizing customer experience should always come first.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:25 - Effective uses of AI in ad tools and automation versus areas where human expertise is irreplaceable.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:17 - Human connection and the ongoing need for person-to-person community in a digital age.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:57 - The integration of AI in PR and marketing fields; potential risks and opportunities.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:04 - How PR pros can become trusted advisors by skillfully blending AI tools with human insight.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">12:53 - Closing thoughts and encouragement to share the episode.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:56 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources
<p> </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR Daily: <a href='https://www.prdaily.com/the-scoop-business-insider-goes-all-in-on-ai-and-slashes-21-of-its-workforce/'>Business Insider layoffs</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Fast Company: <a href='https://www.fastcompany.com/91332763/going-ai-first-appears-to-be-backfiring-on-klarna-and-duolingo'>Going ‘AI first’ appears to be backfiring on Klarna and Duolingo</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Brandnation:<a href='https://brandnation.co.uk/news-insights/the-social-media-updates-to-know-in-june-2025/'> Social Media and AI </a></li>
</ul>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of Voice Matters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Please Share and Review
<p><em>If you found this episode helpful, please share it with your network! Don’t forget to subscribe to That Solo Life for weekly insights tailored for PR pros and solo marketers. You can also connect with us at </em><a href='http://soloprpro.com/'><em>SoloPRPro.com</em></a><em> with your questions or comments. Thank you for listening!</em></p>
<p><em>Please leave a review</em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em> </em><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️</p>
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What’s it really like to hop the fence between corporate life and solo entrepreneurship? Join co-hosts Michelle Kane of Voice Matters and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro in this lively discussion about the contrasts between these two worlds. From navigating corporate protocols to enjoying the streamlined, impactful decision-making as a solo pro, they explore the lessons learned, the unique challenges, and the joys of creating your own career path. Whether you’re considering becoming your own boss or just want to appreciate your current work environment, this episode offers valuable insights and some laughs along the way.</p>
<p>Key Highlights:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How experiences in solo and corporate careers shape your perspective.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The beauty of streamlined decision-making as a solo professional.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Challenges like “buzzword overload” and imposter syndrome in corporate spaces.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why being a solo doesn’t mean you lack the sophisticated processes of corporate life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips for appreciating both sides and finding fulfillment in your career choice.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Thoughts on evolving professionally and taking control of your career in a modern work landscape.</li>
</ul>
<p>Timestamps:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12 – Introduction and banter about the weather.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:08 – Kicking off the topic: life as a solo vs. corporate life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:38 – Karen reflects on government and corporate inefficiencies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">04:10 – The benefits of streamlined workflows as a solo.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:28 – Why protocols exist and how they affect workplaces.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:57 – The challenges of self-perception as a solo.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:20 – Controlling your career path and the rewards of solo life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">10:48 – How the modern work environment enables pivoting and flexibility.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:44 – Closing thoughts and encouragement for listeners.</li>
</ul>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 286: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/what-you-need-to-know-to-become-a-solo-pr-pro-in-2025/'>What You Need to Know to Become a Solo PR Pro in 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 287: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYZawQX0TU'>Confidence, Capability and Why PR Needs More Collaboration</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Please listen and share!
Did today’s episode resonate with you? Share your experiences with us at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a>. And don’t forget to subscribe to That Solo Life wherever you listen to podcasts. If you enjoyed this conversation, leave us a review, and share the episode with a fellow PR pro or entrepreneur! See you next time!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episode Summary:<br>
What’s it really like to hop the fence between corporate life and solo entrepreneurship? Join co-hosts Michelle Kane of Voice Matters and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro in this lively discussion about the contrasts between these two worlds. From navigating corporate protocols to enjoying the streamlined, impactful decision-making as a solo pro, they explore the lessons learned, the unique challenges, and the joys of creating your own career path. Whether you’re considering becoming your own boss or just want to appreciate your current work environment, this episode offers valuable insights and some laughs along the way.</p>
<p>Key Highlights:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How experiences in solo and corporate careers shape your perspective.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The beauty of streamlined decision-making as a solo professional.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Challenges like “buzzword overload” and imposter syndrome in corporate spaces.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why being a solo doesn’t mean you lack the sophisticated processes of corporate life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips for appreciating both sides and finding fulfillment in your career choice.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Thoughts on evolving professionally and taking control of your career in a modern work landscape.</li>
</ul>
<p>Timestamps:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12 – Introduction and banter about the weather.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">01:08 – Kicking off the topic: life as a solo vs. corporate life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">03:38 – Karen reflects on government and corporate inefficiencies.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">04:10 – The benefits of streamlined workflows as a solo.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">06:28 – Why protocols exist and how they affect workplaces.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">07:57 – The challenges of self-perception as a solo.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">09:20 – Controlling your career path and the rewards of solo life.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">10:48 – How the modern work environment enables pivoting and flexibility.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">11:44 – Closing thoughts and encouragement for listeners.</li>
</ul>
<p>Related Episodes &amp; Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 286: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/what-you-need-to-know-to-become-a-solo-pr-pro-in-2025/'>What You Need to Know to Become a Solo PR Pro in 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Episode 287: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUYZawQX0TU'>Confidence, Capability and Why PR Needs More Collaboration</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Please listen and share!<br>
Did today’s episode resonate with you? Share your experiences with us at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a>. And don’t forget to subscribe to <em>That Solo Life</em> wherever you listen to podcasts. If you enjoyed this conversation, leave us a review, and share the episode with a fellow PR pro or entrepreneur! See you next time!</p>
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<p>Podcast Hosts: Karen Swim, APR &amp; Michelle Kane </p>
<p>Release Schedule: New episodes every Monday </p>
Episode Summary:
<p>In this thought-provoking episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle take a critical look at the current state of social media and the challenges of thoughtful engagement in a world dominated by clickbait culture. They discuss how the drive for visibility and engagement often leads to misinformation, manipulation, and the decline of meaningful discourse.</p>
<p>The hosts share their perspectives as PR professionals on the deeper responsibility of fostering ethics and trust in communication. They emphasize the importance of slowing down to verify facts, maintaining integrity, and modeling critical thinking, especially for clients navigating today’s fast-paced information landscape.</p>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Clickbait Conundrum: Once a space for genuine connections, social media is now overwhelmingly driven by metrics and visibility at the expense of authenticity.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Role of PR Pros: Public relations professionals have a responsibility to fight misinformation and help clients maintain trust through transparent communication practices.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Guardrails for Brands: Karen and Michelle suggest bringing back foundational tools like fact sheets, Q&amp;A documents, and newsroom pages to ensure an official “source of truth” for your brand.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Critical Thinking: The hosts stress the need for slowing down, questioning narratives, and taking the time to verify information before reacting or sharing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Community Still Matters: Despite the digital noise, authentic engagement and human connection remain the most impactful strategies for building trust and loyalty.</li>
</ul>
Quotes from the Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“People are sharing, posting, and reacting so quickly that critical thinking often takes a back seat.”</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“We need to bring back tools like fact sheets and Q&amp;A docs to ensure the public has easy access to the truth.”</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“Community and genuine connection will always outperform clickbait in the long run.”</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes and Additional Resources
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-new-challenges-in-managing-brand-reputation/'>The New Challenges in Managing Brand Reputation</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/quality-over-quantity-will-drive-pr-in-2025/'>Quality Over Quantity Will Drive PR In 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Smart Social Secrets:  <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbCS4ZD4p5g&amp;list=PLCFUlrhVBa9neYZeuM3kjy-jnVvsrK_6i&amp;index=2'>Why Social Media Posting Isn’t Working - And What to do Instead!</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Social Media Examiner: <a href='https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=271842'>Social Media Marketing Industry Report</a></li>
</ul>
Timestamps:
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life
00:00:18 - The Busy Season: Maycember
00:01:12 - Here We Go Again: Social Media Manipulation
00:02:11 - The Shift in Social Media Motives
00:03:23 - The Importance of Community Content
00:04:01 - The Exhaustion of Misinformation
00:05:17 - The Role of PR Professionals in Social Media
00:06:03 - Creating Fact Sheets for Transparency
00:07:15 - Protecting Clients with Social Media Policies
00:08:32 - The Importance of Controlling Your Own Narrative
00:09:20 - Providing Journalists with Clear Messaging
00:10:27 - The Need for Critical Thinking
00:11:41 - The Decline of Critical Thinking in Education
00:12:56 - Modeling Critical Thinking in PR
00:13:21 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
Why You Should Listen:
<p>If you're a PR professional, marketer, or business owner navigating the complexities of content creation and engagement on social media, this episode is for you. Karen and Michelle provide actionable advice on combating misinformation, maintaining ethics, and fostering meaningful connections in a world of constant digital noise.</p>
About the Show:
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Leave us a Review
<p>Please leave a review<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'> here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Share your thoughts with us at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> or on social media. Don’t forget to tag fellow PR pros who could benefit from these insights! Tune in next Monday for another episode of That Solo Life. </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Episode 301 - The Need for Thoughtful Engagement in an Age of Clickbait 
<p>Podcast Hosts: Karen Swim, APR &amp; Michelle Kane </p>
<p>Release Schedule: New episodes every Monday </p>
Episode Summary:
<p>In this thought-provoking episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, Karen and Michelle take a critical look at the current state of social media and the challenges of thoughtful engagement in a world dominated by clickbait culture. They discuss how the drive for visibility and engagement often leads to misinformation, manipulation, and the decline of meaningful discourse.</p>
<p>The hosts share their perspectives as PR professionals on the deeper responsibility of fostering ethics and trust in communication. They emphasize the importance of slowing down to verify facts, maintaining integrity, and modeling critical thinking, especially for clients navigating today’s fast-paced information landscape.</p>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Clickbait Conundrum: Once a space for genuine connections, social media is now overwhelmingly driven by metrics and visibility at the expense of authenticity.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Role of PR Pros: Public relations professionals have a responsibility to fight misinformation and help clients maintain trust through transparent communication practices.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Guardrails for Brands: Karen and Michelle suggest bringing back foundational tools like fact sheets, Q&amp;A documents, and newsroom pages to ensure an official “source of truth” for your brand.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Critical Thinking: The hosts stress the need for slowing down, questioning narratives, and taking the time to verify information before reacting or sharing.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Community Still Matters: Despite the digital noise, authentic engagement and human connection remain the most impactful strategies for building trust and loyalty.</li>
</ul>
Quotes from the Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“People are sharing, posting, and reacting so quickly that critical thinking often takes a back seat.”</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“We need to bring back tools like fact sheets and Q&amp;A docs to ensure the public has easy access to the truth.”</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“Community and genuine connection will always outperform clickbait in the long run.”</li>
</ul>
Related Episodes and Additional Resources
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-new-challenges-in-managing-brand-reputation/'>The New Challenges in Managing Brand Reputation</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/quality-over-quantity-will-drive-pr-in-2025/'>Quality Over Quantity Will Drive PR In 2025</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Smart Social Secrets:  <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbCS4ZD4p5g&amp;list=PLCFUlrhVBa9neYZeuM3kjy-jnVvsrK_6i&amp;index=2'>Why Social Media Posting Isn’t Working - And What to do Instead!</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Social Media Examiner: <a href='https://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/?p=271842'>Social Media Marketing Industry Report</a></li>
</ul>
Timestamps:
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life<br>
00:00:18 - The Busy Season: Maycember<br>
00:01:12 - Here We Go Again: Social Media Manipulation<br>
00:02:11 - The Shift in Social Media Motives<br>
00:03:23 - The Importance of Community Content<br>
00:04:01 - The Exhaustion of Misinformation<br>
00:05:17 - The Role of PR Professionals in Social Media<br>
00:06:03 - Creating Fact Sheets for Transparency<br>
00:07:15 - Protecting Clients with Social Media Policies<br>
00:08:32 - The Importance of Controlling Your Own Narrative<br>
00:09:20 - Providing Journalists with Clear Messaging<br>
00:10:27 - The Need for Critical Thinking<br>
00:11:41 - The Decline of Critical Thinking in Education<br>
00:12:56 - Modeling Critical Thinking in PR<br>
00:13:21 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
Why You Should Listen:
<p>If you're a PR professional, marketer, or business owner navigating the complexities of content creation and engagement on social media, this episode is for you. Karen and Michelle provide actionable advice on combating misinformation, maintaining ethics, and fostering meaningful connections in a world of constant digital noise.</p>
About the Show:
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Please leave a review</em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em> </em><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Share your thoughts with us at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> or on social media. Don’t forget to tag fellow PR pros who could benefit from these insights! Tune in next Monday for another episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>. </p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Podcast, Episode 300
Episode Title 
<p>How To Manage Sticky Situations In PR</p>
Episode Summary 
<p>Welcome to the 300th episode of That Solo Life! 🎉 Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane reflect on their podcasting milestone before tackling a topic every PR professional can relate to – dealing with "sticky situations." From unscripted comments in interviews to inappropriate client behavior at events, Karen and Michelle share experiences, insights, and strategies to prepare for and manage these challenges with professionalism. They emphasize preparation, setting clear boundaries, and protecting your own reputation as a PR practitioner while navigating these tricky waters. </p>
<p>If you’ve faced a PR crisis or want to be fully equipped for when one arises, this episode is packed with relatable stories and actionable advice. </p>
Episode Highlights 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Importance of Preparation</li>
</ul>
<p>Why media training, briefing sheets, and understanding client boundaries are non-negotiable steps.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> Clients Behaving Badly</li>
</ul>
<p>Memorable (and eyebrow-raising) examples of client mishaps during events or interviews, and lessons learned. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When Damaging Information Emerges</li>
</ul>
<p>What to do when unexpected or concerning information about your client surfaces. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Protecting Yourself and Your Reputation</li>
</ul>
<p>Tips on maintaining contracts, financial safeguards, and crisis plans for PR pros themselves. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Role of Ethical Responsibility</li>
</ul>
<p>Navigating PR crises while adhering to ethical practices and maintaining professionalism. </p>
Related Episodes and Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast - <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-communicate-in-a-crisis-episode-152/'>How to Communicate in a Crisis</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast - <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-joy-and-pain-of-clients-new-to-pr-episode-165/'>The Joy and Pain of Clients New to PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Blog - <a href='https://soloprpro.com/managing-difficult-client-conversations/'>How to Handle Tough Client Conversations</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about ethical PR practices with<a href='https://www.prsa.org/ethics-code'> PRSA’s Code of Ethics</a>.</li>
</ul>
Timestamps 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:18 - Celebrating 300 episodes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:21 - Sticky situations with clients and what defines them</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:00 - Events gone wrong and handling inappropriate client behavior</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">08:42 - Unscripted comments during interviews and the importance of being present during media interactions</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">13:30 - Concerning or damaging information surfacing about a client</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">15:31 - Crisis communication plans for PR pros and self-protection strategies</li>
</ul>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Leave us a Review
<p>Please leave a review<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'> here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life Podcast, Episode 300
Episode Title 
<p>How To Manage Sticky Situations In PR</p>
Episode Summary 
<p>Welcome to the 300th episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>! 🎉 Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane reflect on their podcasting milestone before tackling a topic every PR professional can relate to – dealing with "sticky situations." From unscripted comments in interviews to inappropriate client behavior at events, Karen and Michelle share experiences, insights, and strategies to prepare for and manage these challenges with professionalism. They emphasize preparation, setting clear boundaries, and protecting your own reputation as a PR practitioner while navigating these tricky waters. </p>
<p>If you’ve faced a PR crisis or want to be fully equipped for when one arises, this episode is packed with relatable stories and actionable advice. </p>
Episode Highlights 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Importance of Preparation</li>
</ul>
<p>Why media training, briefing sheets, and understanding client boundaries are non-negotiable steps.</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"> Clients Behaving Badly</li>
</ul>
<p>Memorable (and eyebrow-raising) examples of client mishaps during events or interviews, and lessons learned. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When Damaging Information Emerges</li>
</ul>
<p>What to do when unexpected or concerning information about your client surfaces. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Protecting Yourself and Your Reputation</li>
</ul>
<p>Tips on maintaining contracts, financial safeguards, and crisis plans for PR pros themselves. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Role of Ethical Responsibility</li>
</ul>
<p>Navigating PR crises while adhering to ethical practices and maintaining professionalism. </p>
Related Episodes and Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast - <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-communicate-in-a-crisis-episode-152/'>How to Communicate in a Crisis</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast - <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-joy-and-pain-of-clients-new-to-pr-episode-165/'>The Joy and Pain of Clients New to PR</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Blog - <a href='https://soloprpro.com/managing-difficult-client-conversations/'>How to Handle Tough Client Conversations</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about ethical PR practices with<a href='https://www.prsa.org/ethics-code'> PRSA’s Code of Ethics</a>.</li>
</ul>
Timestamps 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:18 - Celebrating 300 episodes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">02:21 - Sticky situations with clients and what defines them</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">05:00 - Events gone wrong and handling inappropriate client behavior</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">08:42 - Unscripted comments during interviews and the importance of being present during media interactions</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">13:30 - Concerning or damaging information surfacing about a client</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">15:31 - Crisis communication plans for PR pros and self-protection strategies</li>
</ul>
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Leave us a Review
<p><em>Please leave a review</em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em> </em><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
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        <title>The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life Episode 299
Episode Title 
<p>The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations</p>
Episode Summary 
<p>The hosts, Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, discuss key findings from the USC Annenberg Global Communication Report for 2025, focusing on Gen Z’s growing presence in the workforce and what that means for public relations professionals. </p>
<p>Key takeaways include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Flexibility prioritized over pay: Nearly half of Gen Z employees value workplace flexibility more than higher salaries, suggesting shifting work-life balance priorities. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Concerns over AI's impact: A significant portion of Gen Z is worried about AI diminishing entry-level job opportunities, highlighting the need for AI skills development. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Generational perceptions: A fascinating generational divide exists regarding political and social awareness, with each group believing they are the most informed. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Hybrid work benefits: The hosts advocate for hybrid work not only as a productivity tool but also as a way to encourage intergenerational mentorship and develop soft skills. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry’s optimistic outlook: Despite challenges like evolving technology and the hybrid landscape, 74% of PR professionals report a positive outlook for the sector. </li>
</ul>
<p>Karen and Michelle also explore how these findings tie back to independent professionals, emphasizing the importance of flexibility, adaptation, and mentorship in today’s workforce. </p>
Episode Highlights 
1. Flexibility Over Pay: 
<p>Gen Z is reimagining priorities, highlighting the value of flexible schedules over strictly financial incentives. Karen and Michelle explore how this impacts public relations and solo professionals. </p>
2. The AI Factor: 
<p>The hosts discuss Gen Z's concerns about AI in the workplace, citing the importance of staying ahead of trends, acquiring new skill sets, and leveraging AI as a tool rather than fearing it as a replacement. </p>
3. Hybrid Work and Mentorship: 
<p>Hybrid work models provide opportunities for not only business productivity but also intergenerational learning. Karen and Michelle explain how being physically present for mentorship can bridge generational gaps and help develop critical soft skills. </p>
4. Optimism in the PR Industry: 
<p>Despite disruptions, PR professionals maintain an optimistic outlook. The hosts celebrate this shared resilience and problem-solving spirit that defines the PR community. </p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">USC Annenberg Global Communication Report 2025 </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro resources for independent professionals<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> here</a>. </li>
</ul>
Timestamps 
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast
00:00:28 - The Impact of Gen Z on the Workforce
00:01:41 - Workplace Flexibility and Generational Perspectives
00:02:53 - Balancing Work and Life: A New Approach
00:04:17 - The Hybrid Workplace: Benefits and Challenges
00:06:30 - AI's Influence on Job Opportunities for Gen Z
00:07:40 - The Importance of Mentorship Across Generations
00:09:35 - Generational Differences in Knowledge and Awareness
00:11:46 - Reflections on Past Experiences and Current Realities
00:13:06 - Optimism in the PR Industry's Future
00:14:15 - Conclusion and Resources</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Leave us a Review
<p>Please leave a review<a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'> here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
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Episode Title 
<p>The Can Do Spirit of PR Practitioners Crosses Generations</p>
Episode Summary 
<p>The hosts, Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, discuss key findings from the USC Annenberg Global Communication Report for 2025, focusing on Gen Z’s growing presence in the workforce and what that means for public relations professionals. </p>
<p>Key takeaways include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Flexibility prioritized over pay: Nearly half of Gen Z employees value workplace flexibility more than higher salaries, suggesting shifting work-life balance priorities. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Concerns over AI's impact: A significant portion of Gen Z is worried about AI diminishing entry-level job opportunities, highlighting the need for AI skills development. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Generational perceptions: A fascinating generational divide exists regarding political and social awareness, with each group believing they are the most informed. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Hybrid work benefits: The hosts advocate for hybrid work not only as a productivity tool but also as a way to encourage intergenerational mentorship and develop soft skills. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry’s optimistic outlook: Despite challenges like evolving technology and the hybrid landscape, 74% of PR professionals report a positive outlook for the sector. </li>
</ul>
<p>Karen and Michelle also explore how these findings tie back to independent professionals, emphasizing the importance of flexibility, adaptation, and mentorship in today’s workforce. </p>
Episode Highlights 
1. Flexibility Over Pay: 
<p>Gen Z is reimagining priorities, highlighting the value of flexible schedules over strictly financial incentives. Karen and Michelle explore how this impacts public relations and solo professionals. </p>
2. The AI Factor: 
<p>The hosts discuss Gen Z's concerns about AI in the workplace, citing the importance of staying ahead of trends, acquiring new skill sets, and leveraging AI as a tool rather than fearing it as a replacement. </p>
3. Hybrid Work and Mentorship: 
<p>Hybrid work models provide opportunities for not only business productivity but also intergenerational learning. Karen and Michelle explain how being physically present for mentorship can bridge generational gaps and help develop critical soft skills. </p>
4. Optimism in the PR Industry: 
<p>Despite disruptions, PR professionals maintain an optimistic outlook. The hosts celebrate this shared resilience and problem-solving spirit that defines the PR community. </p>
Related Episodes &amp; Additional Resources 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">USC Annenberg Global Communication Report 2025 </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro resources for independent professionals<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> here</a>. </li>
</ul>
Timestamps 
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast<br>
00:00:28 - The Impact of Gen Z on the Workforce<br>
00:01:41 - Workplace Flexibility and Generational Perspectives<br>
00:02:53 - Balancing Work and Life: A New Approach<br>
00:04:17 - The Hybrid Workplace: Benefits and Challenges<br>
00:06:30 - AI's Influence on Job Opportunities for Gen Z<br>
00:07:40 - The Importance of Mentorship Across Generations<br>
00:09:35 - Generational Differences in Knowledge and Awareness<br>
00:11:46 - Reflections on Past Experiences and Current Realities<br>
00:13:06 - Optimism in the PR Industry's Future<br>
00:14:15 - Conclusion and Resources</p>
Host &amp; Show Info
<p>That Solo Life is a podcast for public relations, communication and marketing professionals that work as independent and small hosted by Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane. Karen is the founder of Words For Hire, a PR agency that specializes in B2B, Technology and Healthcare, and the President of Solo PR, a community dedicated to independent practitioners in public relations, communications and related fields. Michelle Kane is the Principal of VoiceMatters, a  company that offers PR, Communications Consulting, Editorial and Voiceover Services.</p>
Talk to Us
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.threads.com/@karenswim'> Threads</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'> LinkedIn</a>,<a href='https://www.instagram.com/voicemattersllc'> Instagram</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR - <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro'>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
Leave us a Review
<p><em>Please leave a review</em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em> </em><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
<p>Thanks for listening! 🎙️ Have a topic you’d like us to cover? Drop us a line at<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a>. </p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 298: PR Potpourri: A Look Back at Q1 2025</p>
<p>This podcast episode explores the challenges that PR professionals face in the current media and communication landscape. The discussion covers several key topics:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The struggles with PR tools and technologies, which often fail to keep up with the rapidly changing industry. This leaves PR practitioners having to "hack together" solutions to get the job done.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The broader cultural issues of overwork and lack of work-life balance in the PR and communications field, which contribute to fatigue and burnout.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The challenges of cutting through the "sensationalism" and "brain candy" that dominates much of today's media, and finding ways to effectively share meaningful, ethical, and responsible messaging.

</li>
</ul>
<p>The hosts emphasize the importance of PR professionals upholding their integrity and values, while also adapting to connect with audiences in creative and engaging ways. Overall, the conversation highlights the unique blend of skills and resilience required to succeed as a communicator in the current environment.</p>
<p>Episode Summary: </p>
<p>Join co-hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane as they take you on a lively and insightful ride through the current state of public relations, pop culture, and the challenges of living the #SoloPR life in 2025. This isn’t just one topic; it’s a mix of everything that’s shaping the PR landscape today. From the highs and woes of PR tools to the emotional (and professional) toll of our 24/7 work culture, Karen and Michelle share their honest thoughts with moments of humor, empathy, and real-world advice.</p>
<p>What You’ll Learn in This Episode: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">An honest review of today’s PR tools, touching on media monitoring, analytics, and pitching databases. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How the evolving media landscape and shrinking newsrooms are forcing PR pros to become more creative in their strategies. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The societal fatigue impacting professionals across industries and how it weighs on productivity and expectations. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why sensationalism and aesthetics dominate public attention and what PR pros can do to create impactful, ethical, and relatable messaging. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The power of storytelling in PR, regardless of how complex or mundane the topic may seem.</li>
</ul>
<p>Key Quotes from the Episode: </p>
<p>💬 "We have to focus on messaging and packaging it in a way that breaks through to an audience that really prizes aesthetics." – Michelle Kane </p>
<p>💬 "I miss the days when PR tools gave us everything we needed for one price. Now? Higher prices, less functionality." – Karen Swim </p>
<p>💬 "Public relations professionals are among the best of us. We’re not just serving our clients—we’re truly serving their publics." – Karen Swim </p>
<p>Resources and Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Community:<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Karen Swim on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>LinkedIN</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow Michelle Kane on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'>LinkedIN</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts on this episode or send us feedback at<a href='https://soloprpro.com/https://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'> Solo PR Pro Contact Us</a>. 

</li>
</ul>
<p>About the Hosts: </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR, is the Founder and CEO of Words For Hire, a PR Agency and the Owner of Solo PR Pro, a community and resource hub that supports PR professionals working independently. Michelle Kane is the owner of Voice Matters, a company that offers branding and marketing, integrated content strategies, and measurable public relations.</p>
<p>Tune in and Stay Inspired! 🎙️</p>
<p>Connect with Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit our website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts and feedback: info@soloprpro.com </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow us on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro?igsh=MzZjYmx1cmp6Nmo='>Instagram</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
<p>Join the Conversation </p>
<p>Found this episode valuable? Share it with your network, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss a new episode! </p>
<p>Tune in and learn how to become a trusted advisor to your clients in an increasingly tone-sensitive world.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 298: PR Potpourri: A Look Back at Q1 2025</p>
<p>This podcast episode explores the challenges that PR professionals face in the current media and communication landscape. The discussion covers several key topics:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The struggles with PR tools and technologies, which often fail to keep up with the rapidly changing industry. This leaves PR practitioners having to "hack together" solutions to get the job done.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The broader cultural issues of overwork and lack of work-life balance in the PR and communications field, which contribute to fatigue and burnout.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The challenges of cutting through the "sensationalism" and "brain candy" that dominates much of today's media, and finding ways to effectively share meaningful, ethical, and responsible messaging.<br>
<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The hosts emphasize the importance of PR professionals upholding their integrity and values, while also adapting to connect with audiences in creative and engaging ways. Overall, the conversation highlights the unique blend of skills and resilience required to succeed as a communicator in the current environment.</p>
<p>Episode Summary: </p>
<p>Join co-hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane as they take you on a lively and insightful ride through the current state of public relations, pop culture, and the challenges of living the #SoloPR life in 2025. This isn’t just one topic; it’s a mix of everything that’s shaping the PR landscape today. From the highs and woes of PR tools to the emotional (and professional) toll of our 24/7 work culture, Karen and Michelle share their honest thoughts with moments of humor, empathy, and real-world advice.</p>
<p>What You’ll Learn in This Episode: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">An honest review of today’s PR tools, touching on media monitoring, analytics, and pitching databases. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How the evolving media landscape and shrinking newsrooms are forcing PR pros to become more creative in their strategies. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The societal fatigue impacting professionals across industries and how it weighs on productivity and expectations. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why sensationalism and aesthetics dominate public attention and what PR pros can do to create impactful, ethical, and relatable messaging. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The power of storytelling in PR, regardless of how complex or mundane the topic may seem.</li>
</ul>
<p>Key Quotes from the Episode: </p>
<p>💬 <em>"We have to focus on messaging and packaging it in a way that breaks through to an audience that really prizes aesthetics."</em> – Michelle Kane </p>
<p>💬 <em>"I miss the days when PR tools gave us everything we needed for one price. Now? Higher prices, less functionality."</em> – Karen Swim </p>
<p>💬 <em>"Public relations professionals are among the best of us. We’re not just serving our clients—we’re truly serving their publics."</em> – Karen Swim </p>
<p>Resources and Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR Pro Community:<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> SoloPRPro.com</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Karen Swim on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>LinkedIN</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow Michelle Kane on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane/'>LinkedIN</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts on this episode or send us feedback at<a href='https://soloprpro.com/https://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'> Solo PR Pro Contact Us</a>. <br>
<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>About the Hosts: </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR, is the Founder and CEO of Words For Hire, a PR Agency and the Owner of Solo PR Pro, a community and resource hub that supports PR professionals working independently. Michelle Kane is the owner of Voice Matters, a company that offers branding and marketing, integrated content strategies, and measurable public relations.</p>
<p>Tune in and Stay Inspired! 🎙️</p>
<p>Connect with Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit our website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts and feedback: info@soloprpro.com </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow us on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro?igsh=MzZjYmx1cmp6Nmo='>Instagram</a>, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/SoloPRpro'>Facebook</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2220795/'>LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
<p>Join the Conversation </p>
<p>Found this episode valuable? Share it with your network, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss a new episode! </p>
<p>Tune in and learn how to become a trusted advisor to your clients in an increasingly tone-sensitive world.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 298: PR Potpourri: A Look Back at Q1 2025
This podcast episode explores the challenges that PR professionals face in the current media and communication landscape. The discussion covers several key topics:

The struggles with PR tools and technologies, which often fail to keep up with the rapidly changing industry. This leaves PR practitioners having to "hack together" solutions to get the job done.
The broader cultural issues of overwork and lack of work-life balance in the PR and communications field, which contribute to fatigue and burnout.
The challenges of cutting through the "sensationalism" and "brain candy" that dominates much of today's media, and finding ways to effectively share meaningful, ethical, and responsible messaging.

The hosts emphasize the importance of PR professionals upholding their integrity and values, while also adapting to connect with audiences in creative and engaging ways. Overall, the conversation highlights the unique blend of skills and resilience required to succeed as a communicator in the current environment.
Episode Summary: 
Join co-hosts Karen Swim, APR, and Michelle Kane as they take you on a lively and insightful ride through the current state of public relations, pop culture, and the challenges of living the #SoloPR life in 2025. This isn’t just one topic; it’s a mix of everything that’s shaping the PR landscape today. From the highs and woes of PR tools to the emotional (and professional) toll of our 24/7 work culture, Karen and Michelle share their honest thoughts with moments of humor, empathy, and real-world advice.
What You’ll Learn in This Episode: 

An honest review of today’s PR tools, touching on media monitoring, analytics, and pitching databases. 
How the evolving media landscape and shrinking newsrooms are forcing PR pros to become more creative in their strategies. 
The societal fatigue impacting professionals across industries and how it weighs on productivity and expectations. 
Why sensationalism and aesthetics dominate public attention and what PR pros can do to create impactful, ethical, and relatable messaging. 
The power of storytelling in PR, regardless of how complex or mundane the topic may seem.

Key Quotes from the Episode: 
💬 "We have to focus on messaging and packaging it in a way that breaks through to an audience that really prizes aesthetics." – Michelle Kane 
💬 "I miss the days when PR tools gave us everything we needed for one price. Now? Higher prices, less functionality." – Karen Swim 
💬 "Public relations professionals are among the best of us. We’re not just serving our clients—we’re truly serving their publics." – Karen Swim 
Resources and Links Mentioned: 

Solo PR Pro Community: SoloPRPro.com 
Connect with Karen Swim on LinkedIN
Follow Michelle Kane on LinkedIN
Share your thoughts on this episode or send us feedback at Solo PR Pro Contact Us. 

About the Hosts: 
Karen Swim, APR, is the Founder and CEO of Words For Hire, a PR Agency and the Owner of Solo PR Pro, a community and resource hub that supports PR professionals working independently. Michelle Kane is the owner of Voice Matters, a company that offers branding and marketing, integrated content strategies, and measurable public relations.
Tune in and Stay Inspired! 🎙️
Connect with Us: 

Visit our website: Solo PR Pro 
Share your thoughts and feedback: info@soloprpro.com 
Follow us on Instagram, Facebook, LinkedIn

Listen Now: Apple Podcasts | Spotify | Solo PR
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally!
Join the Conversation 
Found this episode valuable? Share it with your network, and don’t forget to subscribe so you never miss a new episode! 
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life - Episode 296: The Big Idea with Jess Sato
Episode Summary 
<p>This episode of That Solo Life dives deep into the world of business growth, messaging, and creating meaningful impact. Co-hosts Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters are joined by special guest Jess Sato, a business growth and visibility strategist. Jess shares powerful insights on how purpose-driven entrepreneurs and thought leaders can identify their “big idea,” use it to stand out in a crowded marketplace, and create lasting change. Whether you’re looking to refine your messaging, grow your visibility, or tackle roadblocks on your entrepreneurial path, this episode offers actionable strategies and thought-provoking advice to move the needle in your work.</p>
Key Takeaways 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Defining the Big Idea: A “big idea” doesn’t have to be completely new. Instead, it’s an audacious or bold concept that challenges the status quo, demands attention, and inspires action. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Bolt Method Framework: Jess's Bolt Method helps clarify and amplify big ideas by focusing on four pillars - Bold, Original, Loud, and Tenacious. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Living Your Passion: Entrepreneurs can align their personal passions with business objectives to create both purpose and profit. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overcoming Challenges: Common roadblocks like imposter syndrome, impatience, or messaging struggles can be overcome with introspection and strategy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Power of Rebuilding: If your work no longer feels aligned, don’t be afraid to take the time to pause, reflect, and pivot to rediscover your authentic purpose.</li>
</ul>
About Jessica “Jess”  Sato
<p>Jessica Soto is a business growth and visibility strategist who helps purpose-driven female entrepreneurs, thought leaders and change makers clarify their big ideas, amplify their message and create lasting social impact. In this podcast episode, she discusses her process for helping clients find their "big idea" - a bold, original perspective that challenges the status quo and inspires people to take action. Soto highlights common roadblocks her clients face, such as distilling complex expertise into a cohesive core message, and provides strategies for overcoming these challenges. She also advises on building a platform for thought leadership, evolving one's message over time, and the importance of authenticity and transparency with one's audience. </p>
<p> </p>
Episode Timeline 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:00] - Introduction from co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:32] - Welcoming guest Jess Sato and learning about her background in corporate strategy and leadership development </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:14] - Jess describes her transition to working with female entrepreneurs and social impact leaders </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:33] - The definition of a big idea and why it doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to be bold or impactful </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:12] - How passion, experience, and identifying audience needs converge to form a functional big idea </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:13] - Common roadblocks faced by entrepreneurs when refining and presenting their big ideas </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:03] - The Bolt Method explained and how it helps craft unique and powerful messaging </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[20:13] - Aligning your big idea with platforms, stages, and communication styles to amplify your message </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:02] - Evolving your message and giving yourself permission to pivot when your work no longer feels aligned </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[35:12] - What it means to create a lasting legacy through your work and voice </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[37:05] - How to connect with Jess Sato and closing thoughts from the co-hosts </li>
</ul>
Resources &amp; Links 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Jess Sato on<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/jess-sato/'> LinkedIn</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Jess Sato’s website at<a href='https://www.jessicasato.com/'> jessicasato.com</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about Solo PR Pro at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> soloprpro.com</a> </li>
</ul>
Connect with the Hosts 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim, APR -<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> Solo PR Pro</a>, <a href='http://linkedin.com/in/karenswim'>LinkedIn</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.voicemattersllc.com/'> Voice Matters</a>,  <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane'>LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
Subscribe &amp; Review 
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to That Solo Life on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review! Your support helps us share inspiring conversations with solo PR pros and marketers everywhere. </p>
<p>We hope you enjoy this conversation with Jess, Karen, and Michelle!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life - Episode 296: The Big Idea with Jess Sato
Episode Summary 
<p>This episode of <em>That Solo Life</em> dives deep into the world of business growth, messaging, and creating meaningful impact. Co-hosts Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters are joined by special guest Jess Sato, a business growth and visibility strategist. Jess shares powerful insights on how purpose-driven entrepreneurs and thought leaders can identify their “big idea,” use it to stand out in a crowded marketplace, and create lasting change. Whether you’re looking to refine your messaging, grow your visibility, or tackle roadblocks on your entrepreneurial path, this episode offers actionable strategies and thought-provoking advice to move the needle in your work.</p>
Key Takeaways 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Defining the Big Idea: A “big idea” doesn’t have to be completely new. Instead, it’s an audacious or bold concept that challenges the status quo, demands attention, and inspires action. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Bolt Method Framework: Jess's Bolt Method helps clarify and amplify big ideas by focusing on four pillars - Bold, Original, Loud, and Tenacious. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Living Your Passion: Entrepreneurs can align their personal passions with business objectives to create both purpose and profit. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overcoming Challenges: Common roadblocks like imposter syndrome, impatience, or messaging struggles can be overcome with introspection and strategy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Power of Rebuilding: If your work no longer feels aligned, don’t be afraid to take the time to pause, reflect, and pivot to rediscover your authentic purpose.</li>
</ul>
About Jessica “Jess”  Sato
<p>Jessica Soto is a business growth and visibility strategist who helps purpose-driven female entrepreneurs, thought leaders and change makers clarify their big ideas, amplify their message and create lasting social impact. In this podcast episode, she discusses her process for helping clients find their "big idea" - a bold, original perspective that challenges the status quo and inspires people to take action. Soto highlights common roadblocks her clients face, such as distilling complex expertise into a cohesive core message, and provides strategies for overcoming these challenges. She also advises on building a platform for thought leadership, evolving one's message over time, and the importance of authenticity and transparency with one's audience. </p>
<p> </p>
Episode Timeline 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:00] - Introduction from co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:32] - Welcoming guest Jess Sato and learning about her background in corporate strategy and leadership development </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[01:14] - Jess describes her transition to working with female entrepreneurs and social impact leaders </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[03:33] - The definition of a big idea and why it doesn’t have to be groundbreaking to be bold or impactful </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[05:12] - How passion, experience, and identifying audience needs converge to form a functional big idea </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[09:13] - Common roadblocks faced by entrepreneurs when refining and presenting their big ideas </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[13:03] - The Bolt Method explained and how it helps craft unique and powerful messaging </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[20:13] - Aligning your big idea with platforms, stages, and communication styles to amplify your message </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[26:02] - Evolving your message and giving yourself permission to pivot when your work no longer feels aligned </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[35:12] - What it means to create a lasting legacy through your work and voice </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[37:05] - How to connect with Jess Sato and closing thoughts from the co-hosts </li>
</ul>
Resources &amp; Links 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Connect with Jess Sato on<a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/jess-sato/'> LinkedIn</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit Jess Sato’s website at<a href='https://www.jessicasato.com/'> jessicasato.com</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Learn more about Solo PR Pro at<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> soloprpro.com</a> </li>
</ul>
Connect with the Hosts 
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim, APR -<a href='https://www.soloprpro.com/'> Solo PR Pro</a>, <a href='http://linkedin.com/in/karenswim'>LinkedIn</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane -<a href='https://www.voicemattersllc.com/'> Voice Matters</a>,  <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/michelledawnkane'>LinkedIn</a></li>
</ul>
Subscribe &amp; Review 
<p>Enjoyed this episode? Subscribe to <em>That Solo Life</em> on your favorite podcast platform and leave us a review! Your support helps us share inspiring conversations with solo PR pros and marketers everywhere. </p>
<p>We hope you enjoy this conversation with Jess, Karen, and Michelle!</p>
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        <title>Do They Know About Solos? Exploring Opportunities for Solo PR Pros</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>What exactly do Solo PR Pros do, and how do companies find and engage with them? Many businesses are on the lookout for talented professionals to help with marketing, communications, and PR, but they often don’t know where to start. This week, Karen and Michelle unpack how Solo PR Pros can make themselves more visible and connect with companies that need their services. From networking tips to leveraging LinkedIn and exploring industry forums, they discuss practical strategies to help you stand out.</p>
<p>Whether you’re a seasoned Solo or new to the game, this episode will inspire you to take actionable steps toward growing your business and increasing your visibility in a competitive market. Tune in and discover how to ensure that businesses not only know about solos—but understand the value you bring to the table.</p>
<p>Key Topics Discussed </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The demand for Solo PR Pros and the uncertainty many companies feel about finding and hiring them. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why some businesses are unaware of what Solo PR Pros do and how this creates opportunities for visibility. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of maintaining an active presence in industry forums, local chambers, and online networks like LinkedIn. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Creative strategies for meaningful networking, from casual coffee chats to hosting workshops and community events. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How solos can repurpose content and boost their own SEO to increase discoverability. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The changing landscape of human connection and why face-to-face engagement still matters in a digital world. </li>
</ul>
<p>Why You Should Listen </p>
<p>If you’ve been wondering how to better position yourself as a Solo PR Pro or how to find new opportunities despite economic uncertainty, this episode is packed with advice to help you put yourself out there. Karen and Michelle share personal anecdotes, practical tips, and motivational insights to empower you to take the reins and ensure companies know you exist—and understand the immense value you provide.</p>
<p>Resources Mentioned </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/join/'>Solo PR Pro Premium Membership Group </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://prsa.org'>PRSA </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Local networking opportunities (e.g., chambers, trade groups, or hosting small events at coffee shops or libraries) </li>
</ul>
<p>Get Engaged </p>
<p>We want to hear from you! Have questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Reach out to us at<a href='http://soloprpro.com/'> soloprpro.com</a>. </p>
<p>If you found this episode helpful, please share it with your network. Your support means the world to us, and it helps us reach even more Solo PR Pros! </p>
<p>Follow Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane |<a href='https://voicemattersllc.com/'> Voice Matters</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim |<a href='https://soloprpro.com/'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast Website | <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/'>That Solo Life </a></li>
</ul>
<p>Have thoughts on today's topic? Connect with us on social media and share your perspective.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>What exactly do Solo PR Pros do, and how do companies find and engage with them? Many businesses are on the lookout for talented professionals to help with marketing, communications, and PR, but they often don’t know where to start. This week, Karen and Michelle unpack how Solo PR Pros can make themselves more visible and connect with companies that need their services. From networking tips to leveraging LinkedIn and exploring industry forums, they discuss practical strategies to help you stand out.</p>
<p>Whether you’re a seasoned Solo or new to the game, this episode will inspire you to take actionable steps toward growing your business and increasing your visibility in a competitive market. Tune in and discover how to ensure that businesses not only know about solos—but understand the value you bring to the table.</p>
<p>Key Topics Discussed </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The demand for Solo PR Pros and the uncertainty many companies feel about finding and hiring them. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why some businesses are unaware of what Solo PR Pros do and how this creates opportunities for visibility. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of maintaining an active presence in industry forums, local chambers, and online networks like LinkedIn. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Creative strategies for meaningful networking, from casual coffee chats to hosting workshops and community events. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How solos can repurpose content and boost their own SEO to increase discoverability. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The changing landscape of human connection and why face-to-face engagement still matters in a digital world. </li>
</ul>
<p>Why You Should Listen </p>
<p>If you’ve been wondering how to better position yourself as a Solo PR Pro or how to find new opportunities despite economic uncertainty, this episode is packed with advice to help you put yourself out there. Karen and Michelle share personal anecdotes, practical tips, and motivational insights to empower you to take the reins and ensure companies know you exist—and understand the immense value you provide.</p>
<p>Resources Mentioned </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/join/'>Solo PR Pro Premium Membership Group </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://prsa.org'>PRSA </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Local networking opportunities (e.g., chambers, trade groups, or hosting small events at coffee shops or libraries) </li>
</ul>
<p>Get Engaged </p>
<p>We want to hear from you! Have questions, comments, or ideas for future episodes? Reach out to us at<a href='http://soloprpro.com/'> soloprpro.com</a>. </p>
<p>If you found this episode helpful, please share it with your network. Your support means the world to us, and it helps us reach even more Solo PR Pros! </p>
<p>Follow Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane |<a href='https://voicemattersllc.com/'> Voice Matters</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim |<a href='https://soloprpro.com/'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast Website | <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/'>That Solo Life </a></li>
</ul>
<p><em>Have thoughts on today's topic? Connect with us on social media and share your perspective.</em></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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        <title>National Days and Awareness Months and How to Manage in 2025</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 294: National Days and Awareness Months and How to Manage in 2025</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>This podcast episode discusses the abundance of "national days" and how PR professionals and marketers should approach aligning their client initiatives with these events. The key points are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There is an overwhelming number of these "national days" which can become diluted and ignored by the public.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">These days can be divided into two categories: awareness/educational campaigns vs. marketing-driven events.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">For awareness months/days related to important causes, it can make sense to align content and messaging if it's relevant to the client's business. However, marketers should be cautious about aligning with more frivolous "national days" just for the sake of participation.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The most important factor is whether the client's news, announcement, or content is truly newsworthy and valuable, regardless of whether it aligns with a designated national day or month. Forcing an announcement to fit a particular calendar event is not advised.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR professionals should set clear expectations with clients about which national days/months are worth aligning with versus when it may be better to simply focus on the strength of the news itself.

</li>
</ul>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>Are you overwhelmed by the never-ending list of national days, weeks, and months? From National Hot Dog Day to Domestic Violence Awareness Month, it feels like every moment in the calendar is claimed by something. But does your brand have to jump on every single one? </p>
<p>In today’s episode, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR (Solo PR Pro) and Michelle Kane (Voice Matters) discuss how to strategically decide which awareness and marketing campaigns to align with (and when to pass). They share practical advice for PR pros, marketers, and business owners on how to cut through the clutter while staying authentic to your brand.</p>
What We Discuss in This Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The evolution of National Days and how their popularity has changed over time. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The difference between awareness campaigns that educate (e.g., Autism Awareness Month) versus marketing-driven moments (e.g., National Ice Cream Day). </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why staying true to your brand’s mission is key when deciding whether to participate. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Evaluating client expectations and helping them decide if their campaigns align with specific days or months. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How doing something outside of a marketing or awareness month can sometimes help your message stand out. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips for advising clients on when their big news deserves attention at the right time. </li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Not every campaign is necessary. Assess whether a national day or awareness month is relevant and meaningful to your brand or clients before joining in. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Awareness vs. gimmicks: Distinguish between educational campaigns that offer real value and marketing "fun" that may not add much. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Timing is everything. Great news is great news, no matter what day you share it. Don’t feel tied to these campaigns if they don’t serve your goals. </li>
</ul>
Listener Reminder:
<p>We’re not throwing shade at National Donut Day (a very worthwhile occasion, honestly!), but don’t feel obligated to latch on to every trendy day in the calendar. Use these moments as tools—but only when they make sense for your brand! </p>
Mentioned in This Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How to align content with National Days effectively without overwhelming your brand strategy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Examples of when leveraging awareness months like Domestic Violence Awareness Month can reinforce your brand’s values. </li>
</ul>
Special Invite:
<p>If you found value in today’s conversation, we’d love for you to share this episode with your network! Whether via audio or on <a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325'>YouTube </a>(yes, you can see our fabulous faces there too!), your support helps us bring more tips to PR and marketing pros like you. And don’t forget to leave us a rating or review—we can handle it 😉</p>
<p>Thanks for listening to this episode of That Solo Life! Until next time! </p>
<p>Follow Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle Kane |<a href='https://voicemattersllc.com/'> Voice Matters</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen Swim |<a href='https://soloprpro.com/'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast Website | <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/'>That Solo Life </a></li>
</ul>
<p>Have thoughts on today's topic? Connect with us on social media and share your perspective.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 294: National Days and Awareness Months and How to Manage in 2025</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Summary:</p>
<p>This podcast episode discusses the abundance of "national days" and how PR professionals and marketers should approach aligning their client initiatives with these events. The key points are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There is an overwhelming number of these "national days" which can become diluted and ignored by the public.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">These days can be divided into two categories: awareness/educational campaigns vs. marketing-driven events.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">For awareness months/days related to important causes, it can make sense to align content and messaging if it's relevant to the client's business. However, marketers should be cautious about aligning with more frivolous "national days" just for the sake of participation.<br>
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<li style="font-weight:400;">The most important factor is whether the client's news, announcement, or content is truly newsworthy and valuable, regardless of whether it aligns with a designated national day or month. Forcing an announcement to fit a particular calendar event is not advised.<br>
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<li style="font-weight:400;">PR professionals should set clear expectations with clients about which national days/months are worth aligning with versus when it may be better to simply focus on the strength of the news itself.<br>
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<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>Are you overwhelmed by the never-ending list of national days, weeks, and months? From National Hot Dog Day to Domestic Violence Awareness Month, it feels like every moment in the calendar is claimed by something. But does your brand have to jump on every single one? </p>
<p>In today’s episode, co-hosts <em>Karen Swim, APR</em> (Solo PR Pro) and <em>Michelle Kane</em> (Voice Matters) discuss how to strategically decide which awareness and marketing campaigns to align with (and when to pass). They share practical advice for PR pros, marketers, and business owners on how to cut through the clutter while staying authentic to your brand.</p>
What We Discuss in This Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The evolution of National Days and how their popularity has changed over time. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The difference between awareness campaigns that educate (e.g., Autism Awareness Month) versus marketing-driven moments (e.g., National Ice Cream Day). </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why staying true to your brand’s mission is key when deciding whether to participate. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Evaluating client expectations and helping them decide if their campaigns align with specific days or months. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How doing something outside of a marketing or awareness month can sometimes help your message stand out. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tips for advising clients on when their big news deserves attention at the right time. </li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Not every campaign is necessary. Assess whether a national day or awareness month is relevant and meaningful to your brand or clients before joining in. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Awareness vs. gimmicks: Distinguish between educational campaigns that offer real value and marketing "fun" that may not add much. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Timing is everything. Great news is great news, no matter what day you share it. Don’t feel tied to these campaigns if they don’t serve your goals. </li>
</ul>
Listener Reminder:
<p>We’re not throwing shade at National Donut Day (a very worthwhile occasion, honestly!), but don’t feel obligated to latch on to every trendy day in the calendar. Use these moments as tools—but only when they make sense for your brand! </p>
Mentioned in This Episode:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How to align content with National Days effectively without overwhelming your brand strategy. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Examples of when leveraging awareness months like Domestic Violence Awareness Month can reinforce your brand’s values. </li>
</ul>
Special Invite:
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<p>Thanks for listening to this episode of <em>That Solo Life!</em> Until next time! </p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 293: Why It's Time to Advance AI Discussions in PR</p>
<p>In This Episode </p>
<p>Join Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  as they discuss how PR professionals can leverage AI to enhance productivity while maintaining ethical practices. From practical applications for tasks like research and content creation to addressing AI's challenges, this episode offers valuable insights into how professionals can integrate AI tools to work more efficiently. </p>
<p>What We Cover in This Episode: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">MuckRack's "State of AI in PR" report and key takeaways </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why PR pros need to move beyond basic AI usage (like content and journalist research) </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Practical examples of how to use AI to save time, like creating campaign templates, summarizing research, or simplifying technical content </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of staying ahead with AI to offer strategic counsel to clients </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How to address misconceptions about AI and demonstrate your own value as a professional in a tech-driven world </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Ethical considerations and creating responsible AI use policies </li>
</ul>
<p>Why You Should Listen: </p>
<p>AI is here to stay, and PR professionals must not only adapt but also lead the conversation in how this technology influences communication. Whether you're already using AI in advanced ways or you're hesitant to try, this episode addresses the need to learn to integrate AI into your workflows effectively and responsibly. </p>
<p>Episode Highlights: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“What we’re saying is to use AI to simplify repetitive tasks and preserve your expertise for what truly matters.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“AI isn’t a vending machine. It’s not magic. It’s only as good as what you input, but it’s a powerful assistant when used well.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“Helping clients craft AI use policies not only protects them but also establishes you as a forward-thinking, trusted advisor.” </li>
</ul>
<p>Key Points:</p>
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle  discuss the use of AI in public relations and communication practices. The key points are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry has been slow to adopt AI, focusing on limited use cases like content creation and journalist research, rather than exploring more efficient and strategic applications.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AI can be a valuable tool for PR professionals, helping with repetitive tasks, research analysis, content writing, and developing campaign templates - freeing up time to focus on high-value, human-centric activities.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There are ethical considerations around AI usage that PR professionals should be aware of and address, such as developing AI use policies and monitoring for potential misuse or negative impacts.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR professionals should make an effort to understand AI capabilities and how to leverage the technology responsibly, as it is an increasingly important part of the communication landscape.</li>
</ul>
<p>Links and Resources Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/5-key-takeaways-from-muck-racks-state-of-ai-in-pr-report/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=digitalinsights032525&amp;utm_content=di01_stateofai&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>5 Key Takeaways from Muck Rack’s State of AI in PR Report</a> - PR News</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
</ul>
<p>Connect with Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit our website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts and feedback: info@soloprpro.com </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow us on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro?igsh=MzZjYmx1cmp6Nmo='>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
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<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 293: Why It's Time to Advance AI Discussions in PR</p>
<p>In This Episode </p>
<p>Join Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  as they discuss how PR professionals can leverage AI to enhance productivity while maintaining ethical practices. From practical applications for tasks like research and content creation to addressing AI's challenges, this episode offers valuable insights into how professionals can integrate AI tools to work more efficiently. </p>
<p>What We Cover in This Episode: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">MuckRack's "State of AI in PR" report and key takeaways </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why PR pros need to move beyond basic AI usage (like content and journalist research) </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Practical examples of how to use AI to save time, like creating campaign templates, summarizing research, or simplifying technical content </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of staying ahead with AI to offer strategic counsel to clients </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How to address misconceptions about AI and demonstrate your own value as a professional in a tech-driven world </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Ethical considerations and creating responsible AI use policies </li>
</ul>
<p>Why You Should Listen: </p>
<p>AI is here to stay, and PR professionals must not only adapt but also lead the conversation in how this technology influences communication. Whether you're already using AI in advanced ways or you're hesitant to try, this episode addresses the need to learn to integrate AI into your workflows effectively and responsibly. </p>
<p>Episode Highlights: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“What we’re saying is to use AI to simplify repetitive tasks and preserve your expertise for what truly matters.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“AI isn’t a vending machine. It’s not magic. It’s only as good as what you input, but it’s a powerful assistant when used well.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">“Helping clients craft AI use policies not only protects them but also establishes you as a forward-thinking, trusted advisor.” </li>
</ul>
<p>Key Points:</p>
<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle  discuss the use of AI in public relations and communication practices. The key points are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry has been slow to adopt AI, focusing on limited use cases like content creation and journalist research, rather than exploring more efficient and strategic applications.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">AI can be a valuable tool for PR professionals, helping with repetitive tasks, research analysis, content writing, and developing campaign templates - freeing up time to focus on high-value, human-centric activities.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There are ethical considerations around AI usage that PR professionals should be aware of and address, such as developing AI use policies and monitoring for potential misuse or negative impacts.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PR professionals should make an effort to understand AI capabilities and how to leverage the technology responsibly, as it is an increasingly important part of the communication landscape.</li>
</ul>
<p>Links and Resources Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/5-key-takeaways-from-muck-racks-state-of-ai-in-pr-report/?utm_source=newsletter&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=digitalinsights032525&amp;utm_content=di01_stateofai&amp;oly_enc_id=0073B2128545I1E'>5 Key Takeaways from Muck Rack’s State of AI in PR Report</a> - PR News</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com'>Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
</ul>
<p>Connect with Us: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Visit our website:<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Share your thoughts and feedback: info@soloprpro.com </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Follow us on <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro?igsh=MzZjYmx1cmp6Nmo='>Instagram</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 292: Utilizing Zero Click Content for Better Engagement</p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Karen discuss zero click content, a concept that is gaining traction in digital marketing and public relations. </p>
<p>As the hosts explore zero click content, they discuss how this approach shifts the focus from merely driving clicks to fostering genuine engagement with your audience. Traditionally, the mantra has been to lead potential clients to our websites, but zero click content allows you to present valuable information in a more digestible format—whether through short text, videos, or engaging visuals—without the need for a direct call to action like "click here."</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle highlight the psychological aspect of this strategy, noting that it encourages potential clients to seek out more information on their own, thereby building trust and establishing your clients as go-to resources in their respective fields. This approach also allows PR pros to be creative in their communications. By telling compelling stories and using plain language, we can captivate our audience and encourage them to engage with our content.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Michelle and Karen discuss practical ways to implement zero click content, such as utilizing social media platforms creatively and producing engaging video content that doesn't require a formal setup. They also touch on the importance of adapting to the changing landscape of search engine optimization (SEO) driven by AI, where bite-sized, meaningful responses to audience questions are becoming increasingly vital.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to experiment with their own content creation, using tools like CapCut and Animoto to produce engaging videos and infographics. </p>
<p>Have you used zero click content? We would love to hear about your experiences so that we can all learn and grow. Drop us a line at <a href='mailto:info@soloprpro.com'>info@soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>Don't forget to subscribe, like our content, and connect with us—we love hearing from you!</p>
<p>Episode Timestamps</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Join hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they introduce the podcast and acknowledge the challenges faced by PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:00:33 - Shout Out to Caregivers Acknowledge the multitasking nature of PR pros who also serve as caregivers, highlighting the chaos of balancing work and personal responsibilities.</p>
<p>00:00:54 - Introduction to Zero Click Content Discussion on the concept of zero click content and how it shifts the focus from driving clicks to fostering true engagement.</p>
<p>00:01:47 - Engagement Over Clicks Exploring the psychological aspect of zero click content and its role in building trust and establishing authority.</p>
<p>00:02:34 - Creativity in Content Creation How zero click content encourages creativity and storytelling, allowing for diverse formats like visuals and short videos.</p>
<p>00:03:45 - Adapting to Changing Search Trends The importance of adapting to changes in search algorithms and how zero click content can enhance visibility and engagement.</p>
<p>00:04:37 - Interactivity and Serialization Discussing the potential for interactivity in content and the benefits of serializing information to keep audiences engaged.</p>
<p>00:05:56 - The Importance of Bite-Sized Information Emphasizing the need for concise, meaningful responses that resonate with audiences and improve search results.</p>
<p>00:07:18 - Refocusing Content Priorities A reminder that shifting to zero click content is a small pivot rather than a complete overhaul, aimed at building awareness.</p>
<p>00:08:03 - Building New Skills Encouragement to embrace new content strategies as a way to stand out and improve communication with clients.</p>
<p>00:09:49 - Practical Tools for Content Creation Recommendations for tools like CapCut and Animoto to help create engaging video content and repurpose existing materials.</p>
<p>00:10:58 - Engaging with the Audience Invitation for listeners to share their experiences and tips on zero click content, fostering community interaction.</p>
<p>Resources / Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.socialinsider.io/blog/zero-click-content/'>[What Data Says] Zero Click Content for Social Media</a> - Social Insider</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nitman_the-rise-of-zero-click-searches-how-to-adapt-activity-7305478909691637760-OeVF/'>LinkedIn Discussion on Zero Click Searches</a> - Nitin Manchanda</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://neilpatel.com/blog/seo-dead/'>Is SEO Dead in 2025?</a> - Neil Patel</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>@KarenSwim</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 292: Utilizing Zero Click Content for Better Engagement</p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Karen discuss zero click content, a concept that is gaining traction in digital marketing and public relations. </p>
<p>As the hosts explore zero click content, they discuss how this approach shifts the focus from merely driving clicks to fostering genuine engagement with your audience. Traditionally, the mantra has been to lead potential clients to our websites, but zero click content allows you to present valuable information in a more digestible format—whether through short text, videos, or engaging visuals—without the need for a direct call to action like "click here."</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle highlight the psychological aspect of this strategy, noting that it encourages potential clients to seek out more information on their own, thereby building trust and establishing your clients as go-to resources in their respective fields. This approach also allows PR pros to be creative in their communications. By telling compelling stories and using plain language, we can captivate our audience and encourage them to engage with our content.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Michelle and Karen discuss practical ways to implement zero click content, such as utilizing social media platforms creatively and producing engaging video content that doesn't require a formal setup. They also touch on the importance of adapting to the changing landscape of search engine optimization (SEO) driven by AI, where bite-sized, meaningful responses to audience questions are becoming increasingly vital.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to experiment with their own content creation, using tools like CapCut and Animoto to produce engaging videos and infographics. </p>
<p><em>Have you used zero click content? We would love to hear about your experiences so that we can all learn and grow. Drop us a line at </em><a href='mailto:info@soloprpro.com'><em>info@soloprpro.com</em></a><em>.</em></p>
<p><em>Don't forget to subscribe, like our content, and connect with us—we love hearing from you!</em></p>
<p>Episode Timestamps</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Join hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they introduce the podcast and acknowledge the challenges faced by PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:00:33 - Shout Out to Caregivers Acknowledge the multitasking nature of PR pros who also serve as caregivers, highlighting the chaos of balancing work and personal responsibilities.</p>
<p>00:00:54 - Introduction to Zero Click Content Discussion on the concept of zero click content and how it shifts the focus from driving clicks to fostering true engagement.</p>
<p>00:01:47 - Engagement Over Clicks Exploring the psychological aspect of zero click content and its role in building trust and establishing authority.</p>
<p>00:02:34 - Creativity in Content Creation How zero click content encourages creativity and storytelling, allowing for diverse formats like visuals and short videos.</p>
<p>00:03:45 - Adapting to Changing Search Trends The importance of adapting to changes in search algorithms and how zero click content can enhance visibility and engagement.</p>
<p>00:04:37 - Interactivity and Serialization Discussing the potential for interactivity in content and the benefits of serializing information to keep audiences engaged.</p>
<p>00:05:56 - The Importance of Bite-Sized Information Emphasizing the need for concise, meaningful responses that resonate with audiences and improve search results.</p>
<p>00:07:18 - Refocusing Content Priorities A reminder that shifting to zero click content is a small pivot rather than a complete overhaul, aimed at building awareness.</p>
<p>00:08:03 - Building New Skills Encouragement to embrace new content strategies as a way to stand out and improve communication with clients.</p>
<p>00:09:49 - Practical Tools for Content Creation Recommendations for tools like CapCut and Animoto to help create engaging video content and repurpose existing materials.</p>
<p>00:10:58 - Engaging with the Audience Invitation for listeners to share their experiences and tips on zero click content, fostering community interaction.</p>
<p>Resources / Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.socialinsider.io/blog/zero-click-content/'>[What Data Says] Zero Click Content for Social Media</a> - Social Insider</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nitman_the-rise-of-zero-click-searches-how-to-adapt-activity-7305478909691637760-OeVF/'>LinkedIn Discussion on Zero Click Searches</a> - Nitin Manchanda</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://neilpatel.com/blog/seo-dead/'>Is SEO Dead in 2025?</a> - Neil Patel</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Episode Summary: </p>
<p>Cybercrime is advancing at an alarming rate, impacting both personal lives and professional industries—including public relations. Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters explore the latest tactics scammers are using, from phishing emails to fraudulent links, and how PR professionals can protect themselves and their clients in this evolving digital landscape. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>What You’ll Learn: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Personal tips to guard against scams like phishing texts, spoofed calls, and fraudulent emails. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why vigilance is key for protecting private information and financial assets. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How PR professionals can ensure their campaigns and communications build trust and avoid looking suspicious to audiences. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tools and best practices for managing online safety, such as masking your email and avoiding suspicious links. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Insight into building trustworthy client relationships in a world full of online threats. </li>
</ul>
<p>Memorable Moments: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle’s bank fraud story: How trusting her instincts helped her avoid a scam. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen’s best advice: “Never answer unknown numbers. Call back the verified line instead.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Top tip for PR pros: Ensure your links and downloads are hosted on client websites to build credibility and assure safety. </li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction to Online Fraud </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:42 - Personal Experience with Scams </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:40 - Best Practices for Handling Unknown Calls </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:40 - The Rise of Cyber Attacks </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:40 - Protecting Your Personal Information </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:40 - The Importance of Trust in Communication </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:40 - Navigating Links and Downloads Safely </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:40 - Building Trust with Your Audience </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:40 - Avoiding Scams in Promotions </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:40 - Vigilance in Everyday Life </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:40 - Resources for Staying Informed </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:40 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources / Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.dhs.gov/know2protect?gad_source=1&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw7dm-BhCoARIsALFk4v-lbJDV833_CgGpXngEbmUZluCzxTkPrUc0Wk4jKmrlUXjdzEmp9bUaAsHdEALw_wcB'>Know to Protect</a> - Toolkit for tips to stay safe online</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://krebsonsecurity.com/'>Krebs on Security</a> - Security expert that shares information on security threats</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/shellydemottekramer/'>Shelley DeMotte Kramer</a> - technology expert who shares digestible insights on cybercrime and security trends.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thehackernews.com/'>The Hacker News</a> - Good news source for cyberthreats</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.csoonline.com/'>CSO online</a> - News and info site for CSOs, but good place to keep up</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/two-factor-authentication'>What is Two-Factor Authentication</a> - TechTarget</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Apps and services for masking phone numbers and email addresses. <ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.optoutproject.net/mask-email/'>The Opt-Out Project </a>- services and steps for cybercleansing</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.burnerapp.com/'>Burner App</a> - can set up multiple “burner” numbers on your cell that allow you to call and send from your cell phone</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://support.apple.com/en-us/105078'>Apple Hide My Email</a></li>
</ul>
</li>

</ul>
<p>Have you or your clients been affected by cybercrime? Share your experiences in the comments or on social media to help others stay one step ahead. And if you found this episode helpful, don’t forget to share it with your colleagues and fellow PR professionals. </p>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>@KarenSwim</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Episode Summary: </p>
<p>Cybercrime is advancing at an alarming rate, impacting both personal lives and professional industries—including public relations. Karen Swim, APR of Solo PR Pro and Michelle Kane of Voice Matters explore the latest tactics scammers are using, from phishing emails to fraudulent links, and how PR professionals can protect themselves and their clients in this evolving digital landscape. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>What You’ll Learn: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Personal tips to guard against scams like phishing texts, spoofed calls, and fraudulent emails. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why vigilance is key for protecting private information and financial assets. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">How PR professionals can ensure their campaigns and communications build trust and avoid looking suspicious to audiences. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tools and best practices for managing online safety, such as masking your email and avoiding suspicious links. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Insight into building trustworthy client relationships in a world full of online threats. </li>
</ul>
<p>Memorable Moments: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Michelle’s bank fraud story: How trusting her instincts helped her avoid a scam. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Karen’s best advice: “Never answer unknown numbers. Call back the verified line instead.” </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Top tip for PR pros: Ensure your links and downloads are hosted on client websites to build credibility and assure safety. </li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction to Online Fraud </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:42 - Personal Experience with Scams </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:40 - Best Practices for Handling Unknown Calls </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:40 - The Rise of Cyber Attacks </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:40 - Protecting Your Personal Information </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:40 - The Importance of Trust in Communication </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:40 - Navigating Links and Downloads Safely </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:40 - Building Trust with Your Audience </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:40 - Avoiding Scams in Promotions </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:40 - Vigilance in Everyday Life </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:40 - Resources for Staying Informed </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:40 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources / Links Mentioned: </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.dhs.gov/know2protect?gad_source=1&amp;gclid=Cj0KCQjw7dm-BhCoARIsALFk4v-lbJDV833_CgGpXngEbmUZluCzxTkPrUc0Wk4jKmrlUXjdzEmp9bUaAsHdEALw_wcB'>Know to Protect</a> - Toolkit for tips to stay safe online</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://krebsonsecurity.com/'>Krebs on Security</a> - Security expert that shares information on security threats</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/shellydemottekramer/'>Shelley DeMotte Kramer</a> - technology expert who shares digestible insights on cybercrime and security trends.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thehackernews.com/'>The Hacker News</a> - Good news source for cyberthreats</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.csoonline.com/'>CSO online</a> - News and info site for CSOs, but good place to keep up</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/definition/two-factor-authentication'>What is Two-Factor Authentication</a> - TechTarget</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Apps and services for masking phone numbers and email addresses. <ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.optoutproject.net/mask-email/'>The Opt-Out Project </a>- services and steps for cybercleansing</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.burnerapp.com/'>Burner App</a> - can set up multiple “burner” numbers on your cell that allow you to call and send from your cell phone</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://support.apple.com/en-us/105078'>Apple Hide My Email</a></li>
</ul>
</li>

</ul>
<p>Have you or your clients been affected by cybercrime? Share your experiences in the comments or on social media to help others stay one step ahead. And if you found this episode helpful, don’t forget to share it with your colleagues and fellow PR professionals. </p>
<p>Listen Now: <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple Podcasts</a> | <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify </a>| <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast/'>Solo PR</a></p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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        <title>The Good, The Bad, and The Ridiculous of Wordplay</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Summary:
<p>Words have power, and as PR pros and marketers, we know just how to wield them. But what happens when wordplay goes awry? Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim in this enlightening and entertaining episode as they break down the dos and don'ts of clever messaging. Discover how the right wordplay can resonate with your audience, when it’s best avoided, and how intention matters more than you might think.</p>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Wordplay as a Connection Tool: Learn how effective wordplay can draw in and unify your audience by balancing the familiar with a fresh twist.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Intent Is Everything: Messaging should always prioritize kindness and respect, avoiding divisiveness or harm.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Fine Line Between Clever and Confusing: Not all wordplay lands well—find out how to avoid messaging that alienates or baffles your audience.</li>
</ul>
In This Episode
In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane chat about the use of wordplay in communication and marketing. They cover examples of effective wordplay, such as the Nike and Apple ads, as well as instances of problematic wordplay, like renaming the Gulf of Mexico or a steak cut. The discussion highlights include:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
Wordplay can be an effective communication tool when used strategically to engage the audience and build familiarity.


</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
However, wordplay should not be used as a "weapon" to divide audiences or make a political statement.


</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
Communicators should be mindful of the intent and potential impacts of their word choices, and aim to communicate in a spirit of kindness and unity.


</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
It's important for communicators to maintain credibility and avoid actions that could undermine trust.
</li>
</ul>
Resources/Links Mentioned:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/11/freedom-never-tasted-so-good-how-walter-jones-helped-rename-french-fries-over-iraq-war/'>‘Freedom never tasted so good’: How Walter Jones helped rename french fries over the Iraq War</a> - The Washington Post</li>
</ul>
<p><a href='https://www.wyliecomm.com/2021/03/why-wordplay-works-in-communications/'>Why Wordplay Works in Communications</a> - Wylie Communications </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-wordplay-works-science-puns-business-communication-hzczf/'>Why Wordplay Works: The Science of Puns in Business Communication</a> - Copy That Communications</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us on social media (@SoloPRPro, @KarenSwim, @VoiceMattersLLC) and let us thank you personally!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Summary:
<p>Words have power, and as PR pros and marketers, we know just how to wield them. But what happens when wordplay goes awry? Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim in this enlightening and entertaining episode as they break down the dos and don'ts of clever messaging. Discover how the right wordplay can resonate with your audience, when it’s best avoided, and how intention matters more than you might think.</p>
Key Takeaways:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Wordplay as a Connection Tool: Learn how effective wordplay can draw in and unify your audience by balancing the familiar with a fresh twist.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Intent Is Everything: Messaging should always prioritize kindness and respect, avoiding divisiveness or harm.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Fine Line Between Clever and Confusing: Not all wordplay lands well—find out how to avoid messaging that alienates or baffles your audience.</li>
</ul>
In This Episode
In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane chat about the use of wordplay in communication and marketing. They cover examples of effective wordplay, such as the Nike and Apple ads, as well as instances of problematic wordplay, like renaming the Gulf of Mexico or a steak cut. The discussion highlights include:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
Wordplay can be an effective communication tool when used strategically to engage the audience and build familiarity.<br>
<br>

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
However, wordplay should not be used as a "weapon" to divide audiences or make a political statement.<br>
<br>

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
Communicators should be mindful of the intent and potential impacts of their word choices, and aim to communicate in a spirit of kindness and unity.<br>
<br>

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">
It's important for communicators to maintain credibility and avoid actions that could undermine trust.
</li>
</ul>
Resources/Links Mentioned:
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/02/11/freedom-never-tasted-so-good-how-walter-jones-helped-rename-french-fries-over-iraq-war/'>‘Freedom never tasted so good’: How Walter Jones helped rename french fries over the Iraq War</a> - The Washington Post</li>
</ul>
<p><a href='https://www.wyliecomm.com/2021/03/why-wordplay-works-in-communications/'>Why Wordplay Works in Communications</a> - Wylie Communications </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/why-wordplay-works-science-puns-business-communication-hzczf/'>Why Wordplay Works: The Science of Puns in Business Communication</a> - Copy That Communications</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us on social media (@SoloPRPro, @KarenSwim, @VoiceMattersLLC) and let us thank you personally!</em></p>
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        <title>The New Challenges in Managing Brand Reputation</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 289: The New Challenges in Managing Brand Reputation</p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>This episode of "That Solo Life" podcast explores the challenges PR professionals manage when brands are faced with crises, particularly serious situations like allegations of child abuse. The hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the importance of building trust with audiences, maintaining authenticity and integrity, and providing nuanced responses rather than knee-jerk reactions. They emphasize the need for civility, context, and an understanding that not every mistake or misstep warrants an extreme public backlash. The hosts also acknowledge the difficulty of navigating these issues as PR professionals who are also impacted by the toxicity and chaos in the broader society.</p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the modern complexities of reputation management and proactive crisis management in Episode 289 of That Solo Life. The internet has created a tinderbox that can quickly ignite a spark of discord into a firestorm of crisis. </p>
<p>Today’s  discussion kicks off with a real-life example of a local business facing severe allegations of child abuse linked to previous ownership. Michelle and Karen explore the challenges that new ownership faces as they attempt to distance themselves from the past while managing public perception. They emphasize the importance of effective messaging and the need for PR professionals to guide brands through these turbulent waters.</p>
<p>Karen highlights the broader context of how society has shifted towards a more polarized viewpoint, where nuance and reasoned thinking seem to be in short supply. The hosts discuss the tendency for public opinion to swing dramatically, often overlooking the complexities of individual situations. They stress the importance of context in evaluating a brand's response to crises, noting that not every misstep warrants immediate condemnation.</p>
<p>As the conversation unfolds, Karen  and Michelle reflect on the pressures brands face in the digital age, where the loudest voices often drown out the majority who may hold more moderate views. They point out that while brands must be authentic and true to their values, they also need to build trust with their audiences over time. This trust becomes crucial when navigating crises, as it can help mitigate backlash and foster understanding.</p>
<p>The episode also touches on the rapid spread of misinformation and the consequences it can have on brand reputation. The hosts share a recent example involving a soda company that faced backlash over a marketing campaign, illustrating how quickly narratives can spiral out of control without proper context.</p>
<p>In closing, Karen and Michelle encourage PR professionals to remain steadfast in their values and to continue making ethical decisions, even amidst chaos. They express hope for a return to civility and nuance in public discourse, emphasizing that by doing the right thing, we can collectively contribute to a more informed and understanding society.</p>
<p>Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and experiences, and the hosts encourage feedback on topics they would like to see covered in future episodes. As always, they thank their audience for tuning in and remind them to check out the resources available at SoloPRPro.com.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://stepincomm.com/2025/01/24/what-i-learned-from-the-chaos-machine/'>What I Learned from The Chaos Machine </a>- Fran Stephenson, APR</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/why-traditional-digital-reputation-strategies-must-evolve/486541'>If You Run From AI, It Will Find You — Here's Why Traditional Reputation Strategies No Longer Work</a> - Entrepreneur</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Welcome to the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:00:30 - Celebrating Love and Black History Month Discussion on the significance of February as a month of love and Black History Month.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Navigating PR Nightmares Exploring how brands can handle serious allegations and public relations crises.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - The Weight of Brand Reputation Understanding how public opinion can impact brands, especially in severe situations.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - The Challenge of Nuanced Thinking Discussing the loss of reason and nuance in public discourse and its effects on brands.</p>
<p>00:06:00 - The Extremes of Public Opinion How the loudest voices often overshadow the majority who are more moderate.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - The Importance of Context Emphasizing the need for context in evaluating situations and brand responses.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - Building Trust Through Authenticity The significance of making deposits of trust with audiences over time.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Role of Ethics in Crisis Management How ethical behavior and integrity can help brands navigate crises effectively.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - The Impact of Misinformation Examining how misinformation spreads quickly and affects brand perception.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - The Human Element in PR Acknowledging the challenges PR professionals face in a chaotic environment.</p>
<p>00:17:00 - The Call for Civility and Nuance A hopeful message about the potential for change in public discourse.</p>
<p>00:18:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement to share the podcast and engage with the community.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>@KarenSwim</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 289: The New Challenges in Managing Brand Reputation</p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>This episode of "That Solo Life" podcast explores the challenges PR professionals manage when brands are faced with crises, particularly serious situations like allegations of child abuse. The hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the importance of building trust with audiences, maintaining authenticity and integrity, and providing nuanced responses rather than knee-jerk reactions. They emphasize the need for civility, context, and an understanding that not every mistake or misstep warrants an extreme public backlash. The hosts also acknowledge the difficulty of navigating these issues as PR professionals who are also impacted by the toxicity and chaos in the broader society.</p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the modern complexities of reputation management and proactive crisis management in Episode 289 of That Solo Life. The internet has created a tinderbox that can quickly ignite a spark of discord into a firestorm of crisis. </p>
<p>Today’s  discussion kicks off with a real-life example of a local business facing severe allegations of child abuse linked to previous ownership. Michelle and Karen explore the challenges that new ownership faces as they attempt to distance themselves from the past while managing public perception. They emphasize the importance of effective messaging and the need for PR professionals to guide brands through these turbulent waters.</p>
<p>Karen highlights the broader context of how society has shifted towards a more polarized viewpoint, where nuance and reasoned thinking seem to be in short supply. The hosts discuss the tendency for public opinion to swing dramatically, often overlooking the complexities of individual situations. They stress the importance of context in evaluating a brand's response to crises, noting that not every misstep warrants immediate condemnation.</p>
<p>As the conversation unfolds, Karen  and Michelle reflect on the pressures brands face in the digital age, where the loudest voices often drown out the majority who may hold more moderate views. They point out that while brands must be authentic and true to their values, they also need to build trust with their audiences over time. This trust becomes crucial when navigating crises, as it can help mitigate backlash and foster understanding.</p>
<p>The episode also touches on the rapid spread of misinformation and the consequences it can have on brand reputation. The hosts share a recent example involving a soda company that faced backlash over a marketing campaign, illustrating how quickly narratives can spiral out of control without proper context.</p>
<p>In closing, Karen and Michelle encourage PR professionals to remain steadfast in their values and to continue making ethical decisions, even amidst chaos. They express hope for a return to civility and nuance in public discourse, emphasizing that by doing the right thing, we can collectively contribute to a more informed and understanding society.</p>
<p>Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and experiences, and the hosts encourage feedback on topics they would like to see covered in future episodes. As always, they thank their audience for tuning in and remind them to check out the resources available at SoloPRPro.com.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://stepincomm.com/2025/01/24/what-i-learned-from-the-chaos-machine/'>What I Learned from The Chaos Machine </a>- Fran Stephenson, APR</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.entrepreneur.com/growing-a-business/why-traditional-digital-reputation-strategies-must-evolve/486541'>If You Run From AI, It Will Find You — Here's Why Traditional Reputation Strategies No Longer Work</a> - Entrepreneur</li>
</ul>
Episode Timestamps
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Welcome to the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:00:30 - Celebrating Love and Black History Month Discussion on the significance of February as a month of love and Black History Month.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Navigating PR Nightmares Exploring how brands can handle serious allegations and public relations crises.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - The Weight of Brand Reputation Understanding how public opinion can impact brands, especially in severe situations.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - The Challenge of Nuanced Thinking Discussing the loss of reason and nuance in public discourse and its effects on brands.</p>
<p>00:06:00 - The Extremes of Public Opinion How the loudest voices often overshadow the majority who are more moderate.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - The Importance of Context Emphasizing the need for context in evaluating situations and brand responses.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - Building Trust Through Authenticity The significance of making deposits of trust with audiences over time.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Role of Ethics in Crisis Management How ethical behavior and integrity can help brands navigate crises effectively.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - The Impact of Misinformation Examining how misinformation spreads quickly and affects brand perception.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - The Human Element in PR Acknowledging the challenges PR professionals face in a chaotic environment.</p>
<p>00:17:00 - The Call for Civility and Nuance A hopeful message about the potential for change in public discourse.</p>
<p>00:18:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement to share the podcast and engage with the community.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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Summary
This episode of "That Solo Life" podcast explores the challenges PR professionals manage when brands are faced with crises, particularly serious situations like allegations of child abuse. The hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the importance of building trust with audiences, maintaining authenticity and integrity, and providing nuanced responses rather than knee-jerk reactions. They emphasize the need for civility, context, and an understanding that not every mistake or misstep warrants an extreme public backlash. The hosts also acknowledge the difficulty of navigating these issues as PR professionals who are also impacted by the toxicity and chaos in the broader society.
In This Episode
 
Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the modern complexities of reputation management and proactive crisis management in Episode 289 of That Solo Life. The internet has created a tinderbox that can quickly ignite a spark of discord into a firestorm of crisis. 
Today’s  discussion kicks off with a real-life example of a local business facing severe allegations of child abuse linked to previous ownership. Michelle and Karen explore the challenges that new ownership faces as they attempt to distance themselves from the past while managing public perception. They emphasize the importance of effective messaging and the need for PR professionals to guide brands through these turbulent waters.
Karen highlights the broader context of how society has shifted towards a more polarized viewpoint, where nuance and reasoned thinking seem to be in short supply. The hosts discuss the tendency for public opinion to swing dramatically, often overlooking the complexities of individual situations. They stress the importance of context in evaluating a brand's response to crises, noting that not every misstep warrants immediate condemnation.
As the conversation unfolds, Karen  and Michelle reflect on the pressures brands face in the digital age, where the loudest voices often drown out the majority who may hold more moderate views. They point out that while brands must be authentic and true to their values, they also need to build trust with their audiences over time. This trust becomes crucial when navigating crises, as it can help mitigate backlash and foster understanding.
The episode also touches on the rapid spread of misinformation and the consequences it can have on brand reputation. The hosts share a recent example involving a soda company that faced backlash over a marketing campaign, illustrating how quickly narratives can spiral out of control without proper context.
In closing, Karen and Michelle encourage PR professionals to remain steadfast in their values and to continue making ethical decisions, even amidst chaos. They express hope for a return to civility and nuance in public discourse, emphasizing that by doing the right thing, we can collectively contribute to a more informed and understanding society.
Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and experiences, and the hosts encourage feedback on topics they would like to see covered in future episodes. As always, they thank their audience for tuning in and remind them to check out the resources available at SoloPRPro.com.
Resources:

What I Learned from The Chaos Machine - Fran Stephenson, APR
If You Run From AI, It Will Find You — Here's Why Traditional Reputation Strategies No Longer Work - Entrepreneur

Episode Timestamps
00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Welcome to the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.
00:00:30 - Celebrating Love and Black History Month Discussion on the significance of February as a month of love and Black History Month.
00:01:00 - Navigating PR Nightmares Exploring how brands can handle serious allegations and public relations crises.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 288: Combatting Ghosting In The Professional World</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>In Episode 288 Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss strategies for dealing with being "ghosted" by potential clients or employers. The key points of the episode are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Avoid situations where no response is expected, like applying to job postings or responding to RFPs without any prior interaction. Try to force human interaction instead.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When meeting with a prospect, ask questions to prequalify them and ensure they are serious about hiring an agency or employee. Look for red flags like not having a defined budget or timeline.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">If a prospect does ghost you, don't take it personally. It likely has nothing to do with you. Maintain a positive attitude and follow up periodically in case their situation changes.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When submitting a proposal, offer to have a follow-up meeting to discuss it and address any concerns. This helps ensure you get a response.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overall, the advice is to be selective about the opportunities you pursue, maintain professionalism, and not internalize the ghosting as a reflection on yourself or your capabilities.

</li>
</ul>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane discuss the frustrating phenomenon of ghosting in the professional world by clients, prospects and other business contacts. The conversation kicks off acknowledging the emotional toll that ghosting can take, drawing parallels to its origins in dating culture. Michelle and Karen share their personal experiences and frustrations with being ghosted by prospects and potential collaborators, emphasizing the importance of human connection in professional relationships.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the normalization of ghosting, especially in job applications and proposals, where candidates often receive no feedback at all. Karen highlights the need for follow-ups as a proactive strategy to combat ghosting, encouraging listeners to reach out and touch base with prospects. Michelle and Karen also explore the significance of ensuring human interaction in the proposal process, advising against situations where responses are unlikely.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts provide practical tactics for minimizing ghosting, such as pre-qualifying prospects and asking critical questions during initial meetings. They stress the importance of understanding a company's current agency situation and budget before investing time in proposals. Both hosts agree that if a prospect is not ready or serious, it’s perfectly acceptable to walk away from the opportunity.</p>
<p>As we navigate the complexities of ghosting, it’s also important to touch on the emotional aspect of not taking it personally. Listeners are encouraged to maintain their self-worth and not internalize the actions of others. The conversation culminates in a call for better communication practices in the workplace, advocating for a culture of respect and transparency.</p>
<p>Listeners will walk away with actionable insights on how to handle ghosting, the importance of follow-ups, and the value of maintaining a positive mindset in the face of professional challenges. We invite you to share your thoughts and experiences with us, and as always, we appreciate your support in spreading the word about That Solo Life.</p>
Episode Timestamps
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Ghosting in Professional Relationships Discussion on the prevalence of ghosting in both personal and professional contexts.</p>
<p>00:02:40 - The Emotional Impact of Ghosting Exploration of how ghosting affects mental well-being and the importance of respectful communication.</p>
<p>00:03:50 - The Shift in Job Application Responses Reflection on the decline of communication in job applications and the normalization of ghosting.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Importance of Human Interaction Advice on ensuring human contact in professional interactions to minimize ghosting.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Pre-Qualifying Prospects Strategies for assessing the seriousness of potential clients or employers before investing time.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Handling Proposals and Follow-Ups Tips on following up after meetings and proposals to encourage responses.</p>
<p>00:12:50 - Understanding Budget Discussions Discussion on the significance of budget clarity in client relationships and proposals.</p>
<p>00:15:30 - Maintaining Contact After Ghosting Suggestions for staying in touch with prospects who may not be ready to engage.</p>
<p>00:18:00 - Not Taking Ghosting Personally Advice on how to detach personal feelings from professional ghosting experiences.</p>
<p>00:20:30 - The Importance of Communication Emphasis on the need for clear communication in professional settings to avoid ghosting.</p>
<p>00:22:00 - Company Culture and Ghosting Discussion on how a company's culture reflects in their communication practices.</p>
<p>00:24:00 - Final Thoughts and Encouragement Encouragement to maintain professionalism and understanding in the face of ghosting.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/not-all-clients-are-worth-pursuing-how-to-pre-qualify-prospects/'>Is that Client Worth Pursuing? How to Pre-qualify Prospects</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>@KarenSwim</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 288: Combatting Ghosting In The Professional World</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Summary</p>
<p>In Episode 288 Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss strategies for dealing with being "ghosted" by potential clients or employers. The key points of the episode are:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Avoid situations where no response is expected, like applying to job postings or responding to RFPs without any prior interaction. Try to force human interaction instead.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When meeting with a prospect, ask questions to prequalify them and ensure they are serious about hiring an agency or employee. Look for red flags like not having a defined budget or timeline.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">If a prospect does ghost you, don't take it personally. It likely has nothing to do with you. Maintain a positive attitude and follow up periodically in case their situation changes.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">When submitting a proposal, offer to have a follow-up meeting to discuss it and address any concerns. This helps ensure you get a response.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Overall, the advice is to be selective about the opportunities you pursue, maintain professionalism, and not internalize the ghosting as a reflection on yourself or your capabilities.<br>
<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane discuss the frustrating phenomenon of ghosting in the professional world by clients, prospects and other business contacts. The conversation kicks off acknowledging the emotional toll that ghosting can take, drawing parallels to its origins in dating culture. Michelle and Karen share their personal experiences and frustrations with being ghosted by prospects and potential collaborators, emphasizing the importance of human connection in professional relationships.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the normalization of ghosting, especially in job applications and proposals, where candidates often receive no feedback at all. Karen highlights the need for follow-ups as a proactive strategy to combat ghosting, encouraging listeners to reach out and touch base with prospects. Michelle and Karen also explore the significance of ensuring human interaction in the proposal process, advising against situations where responses are unlikely.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts provide practical tactics for minimizing ghosting, such as pre-qualifying prospects and asking critical questions during initial meetings. They stress the importance of understanding a company's current agency situation and budget before investing time in proposals. Both hosts agree that if a prospect is not ready or serious, it’s perfectly acceptable to walk away from the opportunity.</p>
<p>As we navigate the complexities of ghosting, it’s also important to touch on the emotional aspect of not taking it personally. Listeners are encouraged to maintain their self-worth and not internalize the actions of others. The conversation culminates in a call for better communication practices in the workplace, advocating for a culture of respect and transparency.</p>
<p>Listeners will walk away with actionable insights on how to handle ghosting, the importance of follow-ups, and the value of maintaining a positive mindset in the face of professional challenges. We invite you to share your thoughts and experiences with us, and as always, we appreciate your support in spreading the word about <em>That Solo Life</em>.</p>
Episode Timestamps
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Ghosting in Professional Relationships Discussion on the prevalence of ghosting in both personal and professional contexts.</p>
<p>00:02:40 - The Emotional Impact of Ghosting Exploration of how ghosting affects mental well-being and the importance of respectful communication.</p>
<p>00:03:50 - The Shift in Job Application Responses Reflection on the decline of communication in job applications and the normalization of ghosting.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Importance of Human Interaction Advice on ensuring human contact in professional interactions to minimize ghosting.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Pre-Qualifying Prospects Strategies for assessing the seriousness of potential clients or employers before investing time.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Handling Proposals and Follow-Ups Tips on following up after meetings and proposals to encourage responses.</p>
<p>00:12:50 - Understanding Budget Discussions Discussion on the significance of budget clarity in client relationships and proposals.</p>
<p>00:15:30 - Maintaining Contact After Ghosting Suggestions for staying in touch with prospects who may not be ready to engage.</p>
<p>00:18:00 - Not Taking Ghosting Personally Advice on how to detach personal feelings from professional ghosting experiences.</p>
<p>00:20:30 - The Importance of Communication Emphasis on the need for clear communication in professional settings to avoid ghosting.</p>
<p>00:22:00 - Company Culture and Ghosting Discussion on how a company's culture reflects in their communication practices.</p>
<p>00:24:00 - Final Thoughts and Encouragement Encouragement to maintain professionalism and understanding in the face of ghosting.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/not-all-clients-are-worth-pursuing-how-to-pre-qualify-prospects/'>Is that Client Worth Pursuing? How to Pre-qualify Prospects</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
<p> </p>
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<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the challenges and opportunities faced by solo PR practitioners. The key points in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR professionals can sometimes struggle with imposter syndrome and lack of confidence when comparing themselves to larger PR agencies.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">However, solo practitioners offer unique value, such as more personalized attention for clients and the ability to assemble specialized teams as needed.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry should do more to embrace and empower solo and independent practitioners, rather than marginalizing them.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There is a need for greater unity and collaboration across the broader communications industry to elevate the work of all PR professionals, regardless of their business model.

</li>
</ul>
<p>The conversation kicks off with a personal touch, as Karen shares her experience recovering from the flu, while Michelle expresses her gratitude for good health. The hosts acknowledge the unpredictable nature of the times we live in, setting the stage for a discussion about the unique struggles that solo practitioners encounter, particularly the pervasive issue of imposter syndrome.</p>
<p>The episode centers around an insightful article from PR Calvary that raises the question of whether PR freelancers have a confidence problem. Karen highlights the lack of a "center of gravity" for solo PR pros, contrasting the established reputation of large agencies with the often-overlooked contributions of independent practitioners. This comparison can lead to feelings of inadequacy, but the hosts emphasize that solo PR professionals bring valuable skills and perspectives to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen encourage listeners to embrace their strengths as solo practitioners. They discuss how clients often receive the attention of a team when working with larger agencies, while solo pros can offer personalized service and a tailored approach. The conversation shifts to the importance of owning perceived weaknesses, with Karen referencing Chip Griffin's advice to "stand tall in weakness." The hosts assert that being small is not a disadvantage; rather, it can be a unique asset that clients value.</p>
<p>As the discussion unfolds, Karen and Michelle advocate for greater collaboration between large agencies and solo practitioners. They envision a future where the industry embraces various working models and recognizes the contributions of independent professionals. The hosts express a desire for industry associations to unite in promoting the value of all communicators, regardless of their work structure.</p>
<p>The episode concludes with a powerful reminder for listeners to respect themselves and their work. Michelle encapsulates the message by encouraging everyone to "stand tall" and recognize their unique contributions to the field. The hosts invite listeners to share the episode and spread the positive energy, reinforcing the idea that working independently is a legitimate and respected career path.</p>
<p>Join us for this empowering conversation that aims to bolster the confidence of solo PR and marketing professionals, reminding us all that we are capable and deserving of success in our chosen paths.</p>
Episode Timestamps
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates Michelle and Karen introduce themselves and share personal updates, including  their thoughts on current events.</p>
<p>00:01:10 - Imposter Syndrome in Solo PR Discussion on imposter syndrome and the challenges solo PR professionals face in maintaining confidence.</p>
<p>00:02:29 - The Confidence Problem for PR Freelancers Exploration of an article discussing the lack of a central identity for solo PR pros compared to large agencies.</p>
<p>00:03:44 - Strengths of Solo PR Pros Karen emphasizes the unique strengths solo PR professionals bring to the table, including personalized attention and flexibility.</p>
<p>00:05:07 - Owning Your Strengths The importance of recognizing and owning perceived weaknesses as strengths in the solo PR landscape.</p>
<p>00:06:11 - Collaboration Between Agencies and Solos Discussion on the potential for collaboration and mutual benefit between large agencies and solo PR pros.</p>
<p>00:08:07 - The Need for Inclusivity in the Industry Michelle expresses the desire for greater inclusivity in industry events and recognition for all types of communicators.</p>
<p>00:10:21 - Frustrations with Industry Programming Karen shares frustrations about industry programming that often overlooks the needs of solo PR professionals.</p>
<p>00:11:45 - The Growing Trend of Independent Work Discussion on the increasing number of professionals working independently and the mainstream acceptance of this career path.</p>
<p>00:12:49 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement for solo PR pros to stand tall in their unique strengths and to advocate for their place in the industry.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.provokemedia.com/latest/article/do-pr-freelancers-have-a-confidence-problem-and-why'>Do PR Freelancers Have A Confidence Problem — And Why?</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://mailchi.mp/smallagencygrowth/news-17450194?e=0d5757b64a'>Small Agency Growth Alliance Newsletter </a>(Sign up <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/signup/'>here)</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'>@KarenSwim</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the challenges and opportunities faced by solo PR practitioners. The key points in this episode include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Solo PR professionals can sometimes struggle with imposter syndrome and lack of confidence when comparing themselves to larger PR agencies.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">However, solo practitioners offer unique value, such as more personalized attention for clients and the ability to assemble specialized teams as needed.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The PR industry should do more to embrace and empower solo and independent practitioners, rather than marginalizing them.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">There is a need for greater unity and collaboration across the broader communications industry to elevate the work of all PR professionals, regardless of their business model.<br>
<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>The conversation kicks off with a personal touch, as Karen shares her experience recovering from the flu, while Michelle expresses her gratitude for good health. The hosts acknowledge the unpredictable nature of the times we live in, setting the stage for a discussion about the unique struggles that solo practitioners encounter, particularly the pervasive issue of imposter syndrome.</p>
<p>The episode centers around an insightful article from PR Calvary that raises the question of whether PR freelancers have a confidence problem. Karen highlights the lack of a "center of gravity" for solo PR pros, contrasting the established reputation of large agencies with the often-overlooked contributions of independent practitioners. This comparison can lead to feelings of inadequacy, but the hosts emphasize that solo PR professionals bring valuable skills and perspectives to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen encourage listeners to embrace their strengths as solo practitioners. They discuss how clients often receive the attention of a team when working with larger agencies, while solo pros can offer personalized service and a tailored approach. The conversation shifts to the importance of owning perceived weaknesses, with Karen referencing Chip Griffin's advice to "stand tall in weakness." The hosts assert that being small is not a disadvantage; rather, it can be a unique asset that clients value.</p>
<p>As the discussion unfolds, Karen and Michelle advocate for greater collaboration between large agencies and solo practitioners. They envision a future where the industry embraces various working models and recognizes the contributions of independent professionals. The hosts express a desire for industry associations to unite in promoting the value of all communicators, regardless of their work structure.</p>
<p>The episode concludes with a powerful reminder for listeners to respect themselves and their work. Michelle encapsulates the message by encouraging everyone to "stand tall" and recognize their unique contributions to the field. The hosts invite listeners to share the episode and spread the positive energy, reinforcing the idea that working independently is a legitimate and respected career path.</p>
<p>Join us for this empowering conversation that aims to bolster the confidence of solo PR and marketing professionals, reminding us all that we are capable and deserving of success in our chosen paths.</p>
Episode Timestamps
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Personal Updates Michelle and Karen introduce themselves and share personal updates, including  their thoughts on current events.</p>
<p>00:01:10 - Imposter Syndrome in Solo PR Discussion on imposter syndrome and the challenges solo PR professionals face in maintaining confidence.</p>
<p>00:02:29 - The Confidence Problem for PR Freelancers Exploration of an article discussing the lack of a central identity for solo PR pros compared to large agencies.</p>
<p>00:03:44 - Strengths of Solo PR Pros Karen emphasizes the unique strengths solo PR professionals bring to the table, including personalized attention and flexibility.</p>
<p>00:05:07 - Owning Your Strengths The importance of recognizing and owning perceived weaknesses as strengths in the solo PR landscape.</p>
<p>00:06:11 - Collaboration Between Agencies and Solos Discussion on the potential for collaboration and mutual benefit between large agencies and solo PR pros.</p>
<p>00:08:07 - The Need for Inclusivity in the Industry Michelle expresses the desire for greater inclusivity in industry events and recognition for all types of communicators.</p>
<p>00:10:21 - Frustrations with Industry Programming Karen shares frustrations about industry programming that often overlooks the needs of solo PR professionals.</p>
<p>00:11:45 - The Growing Trend of Independent Work Discussion on the increasing number of professionals working independently and the mainstream acceptance of this career path.</p>
<p>00:12:49 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement for solo PR pros to stand tall in their unique strengths and to advocate for their place in the industry.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.provokemedia.com/latest/article/do-pr-freelancers-have-a-confidence-problem-and-why'>Do PR Freelancers Have A Confidence Problem — And Why?</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://mailchi.mp/smallagencygrowth/news-17450194?e=0d5757b64a'>Small Agency Growth Alliance Newsletter </a>(Sign up <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/signup/'>here)</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>, </em><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/karenswim/'><em>@KarenSwim</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into the evolving landscape of public relations and marketing for solo professionals. With the job market in flux, is starting a Solo PR Pro business realistic in 2025? Karen and Michelle tackle that question as they discuss the opportunities and challenges of making the leap to a Solo PR Pro career. </p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss the various factors that might lead someone to make the leap into self-employment. They emphasize that while the media landscape has changed significantly, the core skills of communication and storytelling remain invaluable. They encourage listeners to think strategically about their unique skill sets and how they can serve clients effectively.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen discuss the importance of having a solid plan before making the transition. They caution against jumping into entrepreneurship out of frustration and stress the need for thorough research on potential markets, industries, and client needs. The hosts highlight the value of maintaining steady employment while preparing to start a business, as it provides a financial cushion and the opportunity to learn and network without the pressure of immediate income.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share practical tips on how to cultivate business relationships that can yield valuable insights and potential leads. The hosts remind listeners that consulting opportunities can arise from job postings and that networking is key to planting seeds for future business.</p>
<p>As the discussion progresses, Karen and Michelle touch on the necessity of adapting to new technologies, such as AI, while still honing traditional skills like writing. The hosts emphasize that being a successful solo professional requires not just expertise in PR but also the ability to run a business effectively.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen also reflect on the natural evolution of their own businesses, encouraging listeners to embrace change and remain flexible in their career paths. They remind us that starting a business is a journey filled with learning experiences, and it's essential to give ourselves grace as we navigate the ups and downs.</p>
<p>In closing, listeners are invited  to share the podcast with others who might benefit from our insights. With nearly 300 episodes under our belt, we are committed to providing valuable content for PR pros and marketers working independently. Join us as we continue to explore the world of solo entrepreneurship and empower each other to thrive in our careers. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </p>
<p>00:00:12 - The Journey of Solo PR Pros </p>
<p>00:01:10 - Navigating the Changing Media Landscape </p>
<p>00:02:00 - Opportunities for Solos in Today 's Market </p>
<p>00:03:36 - Finding Your Niche: Fishing Where the Fish Are </p>
<p>00:04:56 - The Importance of Planning Before Taking the Leap </p>
<p>00:06:12 - Researching Your Market and Skills</p>
<p>00:07:21 - Networking and Building Relationships </p>
<p>00:08:24 - The Value of Continuous Learning and Adaptation 0</p>
<p>0:09:42 - Embracing the Unknown in Your Solo Journey </p>
<p>00:11:53 - Evolving Your Business Over Time</p>
<p>00:14:16 - Trusting Your Instincts and Making the Leap </p>
<p>00:15:06 - Closing Remarks and Call to Action</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[In This Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into the evolving landscape of public relations and marketing for solo professionals. With the job market in flux, is starting a Solo PR Pro business realistic in 2025? Karen and Michelle tackle that question as they discuss the opportunities and challenges of making the leap to a Solo PR Pro career. </p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss the various factors that might lead someone to make the leap into self-employment. They emphasize that while the media landscape has changed significantly, the core skills of communication and storytelling remain invaluable. They encourage listeners to think strategically about their unique skill sets and how they can serve clients effectively.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen discuss the importance of having a solid plan before making the transition. They caution against jumping into entrepreneurship out of frustration and stress the need for thorough research on potential markets, industries, and client needs. The hosts highlight the value of maintaining steady employment while preparing to start a business, as it provides a financial cushion and the opportunity to learn and network without the pressure of immediate income.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share practical tips on how to cultivate business relationships that can yield valuable insights and potential leads. The hosts remind listeners that consulting opportunities can arise from job postings and that networking is key to planting seeds for future business.</p>
<p>As the discussion progresses, Karen and Michelle touch on the necessity of adapting to new technologies, such as AI, while still honing traditional skills like writing. The hosts emphasize that being a successful solo professional requires not just expertise in PR but also the ability to run a business effectively.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen also reflect on the natural evolution of their own businesses, encouraging listeners to embrace change and remain flexible in their career paths. They remind us that starting a business is a journey filled with learning experiences, and it's essential to give ourselves grace as we navigate the ups and downs.</p>
<p>In closing, listeners are invited  to share the podcast with others who might benefit from our insights. With nearly 300 episodes under our belt, we are committed to providing valuable content for PR pros and marketers working independently. Join us as we continue to explore the world of solo entrepreneurship and empower each other to thrive in our careers. Thank you for tuning in to <em>That Solo Life</em>!</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </p>
<p>00:00:12 - The Journey of Solo PR Pros </p>
<p>00:01:10 - Navigating the Changing Media Landscape </p>
<p>00:02:00 - Opportunities for Solos in Today 's Market </p>
<p>00:03:36 - Finding Your Niche: Fishing Where the Fish Are </p>
<p>00:04:56 - The Importance of Planning Before Taking the Leap </p>
<p>00:06:12 - Researching Your Market and Skills</p>
<p>00:07:21 - Networking and Building Relationships </p>
<p>00:08:24 - The Value of Continuous Learning and Adaptation 0</p>
<p>0:09:42 - Embracing the Unknown in Your Solo Journey </p>
<p>00:11:53 - Evolving Your Business Over Time</p>
<p>00:14:16 - Trusting Your Instincts and Making the Leap </p>
<p>00:15:06 - Closing Remarks and Call to Action</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 285: How to Find Joy and Make an Impact in PR</p>
<p> </p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the chaotic start of the new year, reflecting on the challenges faced by solo and small agency PR professionals in 2025. The year has kicked off with an overwhelming amount of information and events happening both in the United States and global. As chaos reigns, it is important for public relations to stay grounded. </p>
<p>Michelle and Karen explore the necessity of maintaining engagement in our work while also prioritizing our well-being. They highlight the significance of focusing on quality over quantity in our communications, especially in light of the evolving media landscape. The conversation touches on the importance of authenticity and truth in storytelling, particularly as misinformation continues to be a pressing issue in the public relations industry.</p>
<p>The hosts encourage listeners to step back from the emotional turmoil that can arise from constant engagement with social media and the news cycle. They advocate for finding joy in our work and innovating our approaches to communication. By fostering genuine connections within our communities—both for our clients and among ourselves—we can create a supportive network that helps us navigate these turbulent times.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also discuss the pitfalls of relying too heavily on social media platforms, reminding listeners that these platforms are not owned by us and can change at any moment. They stress the importance of building our brands on land we own, such as through email marketing and direct engagement with our audiences, rather than getting lost in the noise of social media.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, the hosts express their solidarity with fellow PR professionals, acknowledging the emotional toll the industry can take. They invite listeners to share their experiences and connect with the community, reinforcing the idea that we are all in this together. This episode serves as a reminder to prioritize our mental health, focus on meaningful connections, and continue to adapt in the ever-changing landscape of public relations.</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction
The hosts introduce themselves and discuss the cold weather.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Navigating Chaos
A reflection on the chaotic start to the year and the challenges faced by communications professionals.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Staying True to Community
The importance of remaining connected to one's community amidst the chaos and misinformation.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Finding Joy in Work
Advice on stepping back from emotional reactions and focusing on impactful work.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Reality of Misinformation
Discussion on the prevalence of misinformation and the need for authenticity in storytelling.</p>
<p>00:07:00 - The Role of Social Media
Exploring the dual nature of social media as both a tool for connection and a potential silo.</p>
<p>00:08:30 - Building True Community
Encouraging clients to engage directly with their audiences rather than relying solely on social media.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - Understanding Audience Segments
The importance of recognizing that not everyone will resonate with a brand or message.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Risks of Platform Dependency
A reminder that social media platforms are not owned by users and the risks of building a brand on them.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - Exploring Alternative Platforms
Highlighting the value of engaging on platforms like Reddit for genuine interactions.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - Staying Focused on Purpose
The need for PR professionals to filter out noise and maintain focus on their mission.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Conclusion and Community Support
Wrapping up the discussion and encouraging listeners to connect and share their experiences.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life Episode 285: How to Find Joy and Make an Impact in PR</p>
<p> </p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the chaotic start of the new year, reflecting on the challenges faced by solo and small agency PR professionals in 2025. The year has kicked off with an overwhelming amount of information and events happening both in the United States and global. As chaos reigns, it is important for public relations to stay grounded. </p>
<p>Michelle and Karen explore the necessity of maintaining engagement in our work while also prioritizing our well-being. They highlight the significance of focusing on quality over quantity in our communications, especially in light of the evolving media landscape. The conversation touches on the importance of authenticity and truth in storytelling, particularly as misinformation continues to be a pressing issue in the public relations industry.</p>
<p>The hosts encourage listeners to step back from the emotional turmoil that can arise from constant engagement with social media and the news cycle. They advocate for finding joy in our work and innovating our approaches to communication. By fostering genuine connections within our communities—both for our clients and among ourselves—we can create a supportive network that helps us navigate these turbulent times.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also discuss the pitfalls of relying too heavily on social media platforms, reminding listeners that these platforms are not owned by us and can change at any moment. They stress the importance of building our brands on land we own, such as through email marketing and direct engagement with our audiences, rather than getting lost in the noise of social media.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, the hosts express their solidarity with fellow PR professionals, acknowledging the emotional toll the industry can take. They invite listeners to share their experiences and connect with the community, reinforcing the idea that we are all in this together. This episode serves as a reminder to prioritize our mental health, focus on meaningful connections, and continue to adapt in the ever-changing landscape of public relations.</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction<br>
The hosts introduce themselves and discuss the cold weather.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Navigating Chaos<br>
A reflection on the chaotic start to the year and the challenges faced by communications professionals.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Staying True to Community<br>
The importance of remaining connected to one's community amidst the chaos and misinformation.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Finding Joy in Work<br>
Advice on stepping back from emotional reactions and focusing on impactful work.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Reality of Misinformation<br>
Discussion on the prevalence of misinformation and the need for authenticity in storytelling.</p>
<p>00:07:00 - The Role of Social Media<br>
Exploring the dual nature of social media as both a tool for connection and a potential silo.</p>
<p>00:08:30 - Building True Community<br>
Encouraging clients to engage directly with their audiences rather than relying solely on social media.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - Understanding Audience Segments<br>
The importance of recognizing that not everyone will resonate with a brand or message.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Risks of Platform Dependency<br>
A reminder that social media platforms are not owned by users and the risks of building a brand on them.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - Exploring Alternative Platforms<br>
Highlighting the value of engaging on platforms like Reddit for genuine interactions.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - Staying Focused on Purpose<br>
The need for PR professionals to filter out noise and maintain focus on their mission.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Conclusion and Community Support<br>
Wrapping up the discussion and encouraging listeners to connect and share their experiences.</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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In This Episode
<p>Today’s podcast discussion focuses on the importance of conducting social media audits and targeting specific audience personas when developing marketing and communications strategies. Key takeaways from this episode  include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Conducting a social media audit can provide valuable insights to help organizations improve their social media presence and effectiveness, even if the audit process seems daunting at first.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">It is critical to deeply understand your target audience personas and tailor content and messaging accordingly, rather than trying to appeal to a broad, general audience.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focusing on the social media channels that are working best for your organization, rather than trying to be on every platform, can lead to more impactful results.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">This year presents a unique opportunity for companies and brands to build stronger, more engaged communities through social media by taking risks, experimenting, and being willing to learn from failures.</li>
</ul>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, we are thrilled to welcome Nicole Castro, the principal of Nicole Lauren Consulting, to discuss the importance of social media audits and the power of targeted messaging in public relations and marketing. Public Relations professionals often face the challenge of effectively communicating our clients' stories and connecting them with the right audiences. Nicole brings her expertise to the table, sharing insights from a recent social media audit she conducted for a nonprofit client.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation kicks off  by acknowledging the common stigma associated with the term "audit." Nicole emphasizes that while audits can seem daunting, they are essential for understanding what works and what doesn’t in a client’s social media strategy. She recounts how her client, after years of posting on social media, realized they needed to assess their efforts to ensure they were reaching their target audiences effectively.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Nicole highlights three key takeaways from her audit experience. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of conducting a target audience exercise. This exercise allowed Nicole’s client to identify the diverse demographics they serve. By understanding their audience on a micro level, the organization could tailor their messaging to resonate with specific groups rather than adopting a one-size-fits-all approach.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The capacity of your team. Nicole points out the common fear of missing out (FOMO) that leads organizations to spread themselves too thin across multiple social media platforms. She encourages clients to focus on the channels that yield the best results for them, rather than feeling pressure to be everywhere at once.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Targeted messaging. Nicole emphasizes the significance of being targeted in messaging. She explains that specificity in communication not only helps in reaching the intended audience but also attracts others outside that persona. This targeted approach fosters clarity and effectiveness in messaging.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>As we delve deeper into the discussion, Nicole introduces the concept of "The Year of the Niche." She believes that brands and organizations will find success by honing in on their audience personas and building content that speaks directly to them. In a time when social media is evolving, she stresses the need for brands to engage in two-way conversations with their audiences, moving beyond mere promotional messaging.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we explore the idea of failure as a natural part of the growth process. Nicole encourages brands to take risks and try new things, reminding us that failure is not fatal but rather a stepping stone to success. We discuss the importance of measuring success through meaningful metrics that go beyond surface-level engagement.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As we wrap up the episode, we reflect on the exciting opportunities that lie ahead for brands willing to connect authentically with their audiences. Nicole leaves us with a call to action: to build a strong communications foundation and embrace the potential for growth through experimentation.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Join us for this enlightening conversation that will inspire you to rethink your approach to social media and client engagement. Don't forget to connect with Nicole on LinkedIn to continue the discussion! Thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>About Nicole Castro</p>
<p>Nicole Castro is the principal of Nicole Lauren Consulting. She has spent the last 10 years cultivating results-driven public relations and marketing experiences for nonprofit and for-profit clients. The agency’s main goal is  to help others tell their stories and connect clients with an audience that would truly benefit from their offering and mission. </p>
<p>Specialty areas of focus include brand development, social media management, competitive benchmarking, multi-platform editorial and content solutions.</p>
<p>You can connect with Nicole via her <a href='https://www.nicolelaurenconsulting.com/'>website</a> or <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolecastro418/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast
00:01:15 - Welcoming Nicole Castro
00:02:01 - The Importance of Social Media Audits
00:04:36 - Insights from a Recent Social Media Audit
00:06:09 - Key Takeaways from the Audit
00:10:05 - Understanding Target Audiences
00:12:08 - The FOMO of Social Media Presence
00:14:02 - The Year of the Niche
00:18:49 - Building Community Through Social Media
00:20:41 - The Value of Taking Risks
00:24:53 - Embracing Failure as Part of Growth
00:29:30 - Conclusion and Connecting with Nicole</p>
<p>Key takeaways from the einclude:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Conducting a social media audit can provide valuable insights to help organizations improve their social media presence and effectiveness, even if the audit process seems daunting at first.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">It is critical to deeply understand your target audience personas and tailor content and messaging accordingly, rather than trying to appeal to a broad, general audience.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focusing on the social media channels that are working best for your organization, rather than trying to be on every platform, can lead to more impactful results.

</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">This year presents a unique opportunity for companies and brands to build stronger, more engaged communities through social media by taking risks, experimenting, and being willing to learn from failures.

</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 284: How PR Pros Can Use an Audit to Unlock Social Media Success
In This Episode
<p>Today’s podcast discussion focuses on the importance of conducting social media audits and targeting specific audience personas when developing marketing and communications strategies. Key takeaways from this episode  include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Conducting a social media audit can provide valuable insights to help organizations improve their social media presence and effectiveness, even if the audit process seems daunting at first.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">It is critical to deeply understand your target audience personas and tailor content and messaging accordingly, rather than trying to appeal to a broad, general audience.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focusing on the social media channels that are working best for your organization, rather than trying to be on every platform, can lead to more impactful results.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">This year presents a unique opportunity for companies and brands to build stronger, more engaged communities through social media by taking risks, experimenting, and being willing to learn from failures.</li>
</ul>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, we are thrilled to welcome Nicole Castro, the principal of Nicole Lauren Consulting, to discuss the importance of social media audits and the power of targeted messaging in public relations and marketing. Public Relations professionals often face the challenge of effectively communicating our clients' stories and connecting them with the right audiences. Nicole brings her expertise to the table, sharing insights from a recent social media audit she conducted for a nonprofit client.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation kicks off  by acknowledging the common stigma associated with the term "audit." Nicole emphasizes that while audits can seem daunting, they are essential for understanding what works and what doesn’t in a client’s social media strategy. She recounts how her client, after years of posting on social media, realized they needed to assess their efforts to ensure they were reaching their target audiences effectively.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Nicole highlights three key takeaways from her audit experience. </p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of conducting a target audience exercise. This exercise allowed Nicole’s client to identify the diverse demographics they serve. By understanding their audience on a micro level, the organization could tailor their messaging to resonate with specific groups rather than adopting a one-size-fits-all approach.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The capacity of your team. Nicole points out the common fear of missing out (FOMO) that leads organizations to spread themselves too thin across multiple social media platforms. She encourages clients to focus on the channels that yield the best results for them, rather than feeling pressure to be everywhere at once.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Targeted messaging. Nicole emphasizes the significance of being targeted in messaging. She explains that specificity in communication not only helps in reaching the intended audience but also attracts others outside that persona. This targeted approach fosters clarity and effectiveness in messaging.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>As we delve deeper into the discussion, Nicole introduces the concept of "The Year of the Niche." She believes that brands and organizations will find success by honing in on their audience personas and building content that speaks directly to them. In a time when social media is evolving, she stresses the need for brands to engage in two-way conversations with their audiences, moving beyond mere promotional messaging.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we explore the idea of failure as a natural part of the growth process. Nicole encourages brands to take risks and try new things, reminding us that failure is not fatal but rather a stepping stone to success. We discuss the importance of measuring success through meaningful metrics that go beyond surface-level engagement.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As we wrap up the episode, we reflect on the exciting opportunities that lie ahead for brands willing to connect authentically with their audiences. Nicole leaves us with a call to action: to build a strong communications foundation and embrace the potential for growth through experimentation.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Join us for this enlightening conversation that will inspire you to rethink your approach to social media and client engagement. Don't forget to connect with Nicole on LinkedIn to continue the discussion! Thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>About Nicole Castro</p>
<p>Nicole Castro is the principal of Nicole Lauren Consulting. She has spent the last 10 years cultivating results-driven public relations and marketing experiences for nonprofit and for-profit clients. The agency’s main goal is  to help others tell their stories and connect clients with an audience that would truly benefit from their offering and mission. </p>
<p>Specialty areas of focus include brand development, social media management, competitive benchmarking, multi-platform editorial and content solutions.</p>
<p>You can connect with Nicole via her <a href='https://www.nicolelaurenconsulting.com/'>website</a> or <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicolecastro418/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast<br>
00:01:15 - Welcoming Nicole Castro<br>
00:02:01 - The Importance of Social Media Audits<br>
00:04:36 - Insights from a Recent Social Media Audit<br>
00:06:09 - Key Takeaways from the Audit<br>
00:10:05 - Understanding Target Audiences<br>
00:12:08 - The FOMO of Social Media Presence<br>
00:14:02 - The Year of the Niche<br>
00:18:49 - Building Community Through Social Media<br>
00:20:41 - The Value of Taking Risks<br>
00:24:53 - Embracing Failure as Part of Growth<br>
00:29:30 - Conclusion and Connecting with Nicole</p>
<p>Key takeaways from the einclude:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Conducting a social media audit can provide valuable insights to help organizations improve their social media presence and effectiveness, even if the audit process seems daunting at first.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">It is critical to deeply understand your target audience personas and tailor content and messaging accordingly, rather than trying to appeal to a broad, general audience.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Focusing on the social media channels that are working best for your organization, rather than trying to be on every platform, can lead to more impactful results.<br>
<br>
</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">This year presents a unique opportunity for companies and brands to build stronger, more engaged communities through social media by taking risks, experimenting, and being willing to learn from failures.<br>
<br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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In This Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into the critical topic of gaining access to the C-suite and the importance of building meaningful relationships within organizations. Communication professionals understand that their effectiveness hinges on the quality of information and insights they can gather from various levels of an organization, particularly from executive leadership.</p>
<p>The conversation kicks off by acknowledging the challenges communicators face in accessing the C-suite, often due to internal politics or organizational structures that can block our paths. The hosts emphasize the necessity of having a seat at the table, as it not only enriches engagements but also leads to better compensation. However, Karen and Michelle recognize that this access is not always straightforward, and discuss creative strategies to navigate these barriers.</p>
<p>One approach suggested is initiating dialogue with your primary contacts, such as the CMO, by asking pointed questions about their goals and recent developments within the organization. This step-ladder approach allows you to gradually build rapport and gain insights that can inform your strategies. Michelle and Karen also stress the importance of aligning your efforts with the broader business objectives and speaking the language of our marketing counterparts to foster collaboration.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts highlight the shift in focus from quantity to quality in PR work. Listeners are encouraged to ask quality questions and engage in deeper conversations that matter to the business, rather than simply relying on traditional metrics.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, Karen and Michelle reflect on the importance of building trust—not only with your external audiences but also internally with clients. They emphasize that meaningful relationships are at the core of successful communication strategies, and challenge our listeners to prioritize this in their work moving forward.</p>
<p>Join us as we explore these themes and share insights that can help you navigate the complexities of working with clients and organizations in the ever-evolving landscape of PR and marketing. Don't forget to check out Solo PR Pro for community support and resources tailored for solo practitioners. Thank you for tuning in, and we look forward to connecting with you in our next episode!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </p>
<p>00:00:12 - Accessing the C-Suite </p>
<p>00:01:05 - The Importance of Influence </p>
<p>00:02:03 - Navigating Internal Politics </p>
<p>00:03:13 - Starting the Dialogue </p>
<p>00:04:06 - Aligning Goals with Clients </p>
<p>00:05:04 - Understanding Reporting Metrics</p>
<p> 00:06:57 - The Separation of Marketing and PR </p>
<p>00:08:11 - Quality Over Quantity in Results </p>
<p>00:09:38 - Shifting Focus in the Post-Pandemic Era </p>
<p>00:10:47 - Building Meaningful Connections </p>
<p>00:12:30 - The Importance of Thoughtful Engagement </p>
<p>00:14:49 - Forging Trusting Relationships </p>
<p>00:15:25 - Conclusion and Community Invitation</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 283: Quality Over Quantity Will Drive PR In 2025
In This Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane dive into the critical topic of gaining access to the C-suite and the importance of building meaningful relationships within organizations. Communication professionals understand that their effectiveness hinges on the quality of information and insights they can gather from various levels of an organization, particularly from executive leadership.</p>
<p>The conversation kicks off by acknowledging the challenges communicators face in accessing the C-suite, often due to internal politics or organizational structures that can block our paths. The hosts emphasize the necessity of having a seat at the table, as it not only enriches engagements but also leads to better compensation. However, Karen and Michelle recognize that this access is not always straightforward, and discuss creative strategies to navigate these barriers.</p>
<p>One approach suggested is initiating dialogue with your primary contacts, such as the CMO, by asking pointed questions about their goals and recent developments within the organization. This step-ladder approach allows you to gradually build rapport and gain insights that can inform your strategies. Michelle and Karen also stress the importance of aligning your efforts with the broader business objectives and speaking the language of our marketing counterparts to foster collaboration.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts highlight the shift in focus from quantity to quality in PR work. Listeners are encouraged to ask quality questions and engage in deeper conversations that matter to the business, rather than simply relying on traditional metrics.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, Karen and Michelle reflect on the importance of building trust—not only with your external audiences but also internally with clients. They emphasize that meaningful relationships are at the core of successful communication strategies, and challenge our listeners to prioritize this in their work moving forward.</p>
<p>Join us as we explore these themes and share insights that can help you navigate the complexities of working with clients and organizations in the ever-evolving landscape of PR and marketing. Don't forget to check out Solo PR Pro for community support and resources tailored for solo practitioners. Thank you for tuning in, and we look forward to connecting with you in our next episode!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </p>
<p>00:00:12 - Accessing the C-Suite </p>
<p>00:01:05 - The Importance of Influence </p>
<p>00:02:03 - Navigating Internal Politics </p>
<p>00:03:13 - Starting the Dialogue </p>
<p>00:04:06 - Aligning Goals with Clients </p>
<p>00:05:04 - Understanding Reporting Metrics</p>
<p> 00:06:57 - The Separation of Marketing and PR </p>
<p>00:08:11 - Quality Over Quantity in Results </p>
<p>00:09:38 - Shifting Focus in the Post-Pandemic Era </p>
<p>00:10:47 - Building Meaningful Connections </p>
<p>00:12:30 - The Importance of Thoughtful Engagement </p>
<p>00:14:49 - Forging Trusting Relationships </p>
<p>00:15:25 - Conclusion and Community Invitation</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 291: Trends, Trust And Technology - What's Ahead In 2025
In This Episode
<p>Join us for Part Two of our PR Trends discussion In this episode of That Solo Life. Co-hosts Karen Swim  and Michelle Kane continue their discussion on the trends they believe will shape the public relations and communications landscape in 2025. We dive into analytics, trust, technology and the predicted trends that are still struggling to catch on. </p>
<p>We kick off the discussion by emphasizing the need for PR professionals to harness data analytics more effectively. Drawing from our recent conversation with Lisa Gerber, we explore how metrics can guide us in crafting compelling narratives that resonate with the right audiences. We highlight the shift from merely reporting performance to using data to inform our storytelling strategies, ensuring that our content not only reaches but engages our target demographics.</p>
<p>Next, we address the critical issue of trust-building. In a world where skepticism is rampant, we stress the importance of transparency and authenticity in brand communications. We discuss how PR can play a pivotal role in fostering trust through proactive crisis management and consistent messaging that aligns with a brand's mission and values. </p>
<p>As we transition into a discussion about technology, we reflect on the anticipated rise of augmented reality (AR) and immersive experiences. While we initially expected these innovations to be more prevalent by now, we acknowledge the human element—our innate desire for genuine interaction—that has tempered their adoption. We explore the barriers to embracing these technologies and the need for accessibility to drive widespread acceptance.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we encourage our listeners to think critically about the trends shaping our industry and to remain adaptable as we navigate the complexities of the modern communications landscape. We invite you to share your thoughts and insights, and as always, we appreciate your support in spreading the word about That Solo Life. Join us as we look forward to an exciting year ahead in PR and marketing!</p>
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to Predictions for 2025
00:00:31 - Data-Driven Storytelling in PR
00:02:27 - Engagement Metrics and Quality Over Quantity
00:05:15 - The Importance of Trust-Building
00:09:17 - Transparency and Authenticity in Branding
00:10:00 - The Slow Adoption of AR and Immersive Experiences
00:12:12 - Human Behavior and Technology Adoption
00:15:51 - Conclusion and Call to Action
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-storytelling-in-an-ai-world/'>The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PRSA: L<a href='https://www.prsa.org/article/looking-ahead-4-pr-challenges-to-tackle-in-2025-ST-NovDec24'>ooking Ahead: 4 PR Challenges to Tackle in 2025 — and How to Prepare Now</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 291: Trends, Trust And Technology - What's Ahead In 2025
In This Episode
<p>Join us for Part Two of our PR Trends discussion In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>. Co-hosts Karen Swim  and Michelle Kane continue their discussion on the trends they believe will shape the public relations and communications landscape in 2025. We dive into analytics, trust, technology and the predicted trends that are still struggling to catch on. </p>
<p>We kick off the discussion by emphasizing the need for PR professionals to harness data analytics more effectively. Drawing from our recent conversation with Lisa Gerber, we explore how metrics can guide us in crafting compelling narratives that resonate with the right audiences. We highlight the shift from merely reporting performance to using data to inform our storytelling strategies, ensuring that our content not only reaches but engages our target demographics.</p>
<p>Next, we address the critical issue of trust-building. In a world where skepticism is rampant, we stress the importance of transparency and authenticity in brand communications. We discuss how PR can play a pivotal role in fostering trust through proactive crisis management and consistent messaging that aligns with a brand's mission and values. </p>
<p>As we transition into a discussion about technology, we reflect on the anticipated rise of augmented reality (AR) and immersive experiences. While we initially expected these innovations to be more prevalent by now, we acknowledge the human element—our innate desire for genuine interaction—that has tempered their adoption. We explore the barriers to embracing these technologies and the need for accessibility to drive widespread acceptance.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we encourage our listeners to think critically about the trends shaping our industry and to remain adaptable as we navigate the complexities of the modern communications landscape. We invite you to share your thoughts and insights, and as always, we appreciate your support in spreading the word about <em>That Solo Life</em>. Join us as we look forward to an exciting year ahead in PR and marketing!</p>
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to Predictions for 2025
00:00:31 - Data-Driven Storytelling in PR
00:02:27 - Engagement Metrics and Quality Over Quantity
00:05:15 - The Importance of Trust-Building
00:09:17 - Transparency and Authenticity in Branding
00:10:00 - The Slow Adoption of AR and Immersive Experiences
00:12:12 - Human Behavior and Technology Adoption
00:15:51 - Conclusion and Call to Action
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-storytelling-in-an-ai-world/'>The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">PRSA: L<a href='https://www.prsa.org/article/looking-ahead-4-pr-challenges-to-tackle-in-2025-ST-NovDec24'>ooking Ahead: 4 PR Challenges to Tackle in 2025 — and How to Prepare Now</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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<p> </p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane pause to reflect on what trends will shape the landscape for PR professionals in 2025. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts kick off the discussion by addressing the importance of cross-cultural sensitivity, especially in light of recent setbacks in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Despite the political climate and the dismantling of formal programs, they emphasize that the need for effective communication with diverse audiences remains critical. As communicators, we must advocate for inclusive brand guidelines and storytelling that resonates with all segments of our audience.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to the significance of enhanced internal communications. Karen and Michelle highlight how transparent communication fosters trust within organizations, especially in a hybrid work environment. Drawing from personal experiences, they stress the value of keeping employees engaged and informed, as this is essential for maintaining a cohesive and motivated workforce.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts then  explore the evolving role of influencer partnerships in 2025. Influencers are here to stay, and Michelle and Karen discuss how they can bring creativity and authenticity to brand messaging. Michelle shares insights from a recent panel featuring local influencers, who expressed their commitment to ethical practices and delivering quality work for their clients. This creativity is something we hope to see more of in the coming year, as it can help break the monotony of corporate jargon and reinvigorate our communications.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The episode wraps us with  hope for a more optimistic and joyful 2025. The hosts acknowledge the challenges that lie ahead, including issues of trust and misinformation, but believe that these challenges will ultimately highlight the value of skilled PR professionals. Our goal as PR professionals is to help brands navigate these turbulent times and connect with their audiences in meaningful ways.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to continuing the conversation in our next episode!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Trends for 2025</p>
<p>00:00:18 - The Importance of Cross-Cultural Sensitivity</p>
<p>00:02:50 - The Need for Enhanced Internal Communications</p>
<p>00:05:00 - The Role of Trust in Organizations</p>
<p>00:07:30 - Influencer Partnerships and Creativity</p>
<p>00:10:15 - Looking Ahead with Optimism</p>
<p>00:11:28 - Conclusion and Call for Listener Engagement</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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<p> </p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane pause to reflect on what trends will shape the landscape for PR professionals in 2025. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts kick off the discussion by addressing the importance of cross-cultural sensitivity, especially in light of recent setbacks in Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Despite the political climate and the dismantling of formal programs, they emphasize that the need for effective communication with diverse audiences remains critical. As communicators, we must advocate for inclusive brand guidelines and storytelling that resonates with all segments of our audience.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to the significance of enhanced internal communications. Karen and Michelle highlight how transparent communication fosters trust within organizations, especially in a hybrid work environment. Drawing from personal experiences, they stress the value of keeping employees engaged and informed, as this is essential for maintaining a cohesive and motivated workforce.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts then  explore the evolving role of influencer partnerships in 2025. Influencers are here to stay, and Michelle and Karen discuss how they can bring creativity and authenticity to brand messaging. Michelle shares insights from a recent panel featuring local influencers, who expressed their commitment to ethical practices and delivering quality work for their clients. This creativity is something we hope to see more of in the coming year, as it can help break the monotony of corporate jargon and reinvigorate our communications.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The episode wraps us with  hope for a more optimistic and joyful 2025. The hosts acknowledge the challenges that lie ahead, including issues of trust and misinformation, but believe that these challenges will ultimately highlight the value of skilled PR professionals. Our goal as PR professionals is to help brands navigate these turbulent times and connect with their audiences in meaningful ways.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to continuing the conversation in our next episode!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Trends for 2025</p>
<p>00:00:18 - The Importance of Cross-Cultural Sensitivity</p>
<p>00:02:50 - The Need for Enhanced Internal Communications</p>
<p>00:05:00 - The Role of Trust in Organizations</p>
<p>00:07:30 - Influencer Partnerships and Creativity</p>
<p>00:10:15 - Looking Ahead with Optimism</p>
<p>00:11:28 - Conclusion and Call for Listener Engagement</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>The understanding about the role of Public Relations can vary widely from being a vanity function to having the ability to save a failing company. In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane engage in a lighthearted yet serious discussion about the common misconceptions about public relations (PR) and the challenges faced by PR professionals and the businesses they serve.</p>
<p>There are things that PR simply cannot fix. Karen and Michelle share their experiences with clients who have high expectations, believing that PR can be a magic bullet for their failing businesses. While PR can certainly help, it cannot replace the need for a solid business foundation, infrastructure, and consistent effort. </p>
<p>Karen highlights the issue of companies that underestimate the value of PR, especially during leadership changes. New CMOs may not recognize the critical role PR plays in maintaining brand reputation and driving customer trust. Without a partnership between PR and marketing, businesses risk losing out on valuable opportunities.</p>
<p>Michelle adds that PR cannot compensate for a lack of effort from clients. We need their input and collaboration to create effective strategies. The misconception that PR is a "set it and forget it" service leads to disappointment and missed opportunities. There must be open communication and consistent engagement to achieve the best results.</p>
<p>In addition to  navigating these challenges, Karen and Michelle express concern for the well-being of PR professionals who are feeling burned out and disillusioned. The lack of communication and feedback from potential clients can be disheartening, and listeners are urged to foster better communication practices.</p>
<p>In closing, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to our listeners for their support throughout the year. We encourage everyone to approach their PR efforts with an open mind and a clear understanding of how collaboration can lead to success. We wish everyone happy holidays and look forward to continuing this journey together in 2025, sharing insights, laughter, and valuable information. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!</p>
Episode Timeline 
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life</p>
<p>00:00:22 - The Holiday Season and PR Challenges </p>
<p>00:01:01 - Things PR Cannot Fix: Failing Businesses</p>
<p>00:01:48 - The Misconception of PR 's Value </p>
<p>00:03:46 - The Importance of Storytelling in PR</p>
<p>00:05:47 - The Need for Client Effort in PR</p>
<p>00:07:51 - Consistency is Key in PR Efforts </p>
<p>00:09:44 - The Passion of PR Professionals </p>
<p>00:10:49 - The Importance of Communication and Feedback </p>
<p>00:12:22 - The Impact of Disillusionment in the PR Industry </p>
<p>00:14:44 - Closing Thoughts and Holiday Wishes</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 280: Magic Wands And Flying Carpets - The Myths And Realities Of PR</p>
In This Episode
<p> </p>
<p>The understanding about the role of Public Relations can vary widely from being a vanity function to having the ability to save a failing company. In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane engage in a lighthearted yet serious discussion about the common misconceptions about public relations (PR) and the challenges faced by PR professionals and the businesses they serve.</p>
<p>There are things that PR simply cannot fix. Karen and Michelle share their experiences with clients who have high expectations, believing that PR can be a magic bullet for their failing businesses. While PR can certainly help, it cannot replace the need for a solid business foundation, infrastructure, and consistent effort. </p>
<p>Karen highlights the issue of companies that underestimate the value of PR, especially during leadership changes. New CMOs may not recognize the critical role PR plays in maintaining brand reputation and driving customer trust. Without a partnership between PR and marketing, businesses risk losing out on valuable opportunities.</p>
<p>Michelle adds that PR cannot compensate for a lack of effort from clients. We need their input and collaboration to create effective strategies. The misconception that PR is a "set it and forget it" service leads to disappointment and missed opportunities. There must be open communication and consistent engagement to achieve the best results.</p>
<p>In addition to  navigating these challenges, Karen and Michelle express concern for the well-being of PR professionals who are feeling burned out and disillusioned. The lack of communication and feedback from potential clients can be disheartening, and listeners are urged to foster better communication practices.</p>
<p>In closing, we extend our heartfelt gratitude to our listeners for their support throughout the year. We encourage everyone to approach their PR efforts with an open mind and a clear understanding of how collaboration can lead to success. We wish everyone happy holidays and look forward to continuing this journey together in 2025, sharing insights, laughter, and valuable information. Thank you for tuning in to <em>That Solo Life</em>!</p>
Episode Timeline 
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life</p>
<p>00:00:22 - The Holiday Season and PR Challenges </p>
<p>00:01:01 - Things PR Cannot Fix: Failing Businesses</p>
<p>00:01:48 - The Misconception of PR 's Value </p>
<p>00:03:46 - The Importance of Storytelling in PR</p>
<p>00:05:47 - The Need for Client Effort in PR</p>
<p>00:07:51 - Consistency is Key in PR Efforts </p>
<p>00:09:44 - The Passion of PR Professionals </p>
<p>00:10:49 - The Importance of Communication and Feedback </p>
<p>00:12:22 - The Impact of Disillusionment in the PR Industry </p>
<p>00:14:44 - Closing Thoughts and Holiday Wishes</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 279: The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</p>
In this Episode
<p>A dying man walks onto a stage and opens his talk with photos of his CAT scans and in seconds has the entire room in laughter. Professor Randy Pauch gave this TED Talk and it still serves as a powerful example of the power of stories. In this episode of That Solo Life, we welcome back story strategist, Lisa Gerber of Big Leap Creative to talk about storytelling and why it matters more than ever.</p>
<p>We kick off the conversation by discussing the power of storytelling in business. Lisa shares her insights on why leading with a story is crucial, emphasizing that stories set the tone and energy of any interaction. They capture attention and create emotional connections, which are essential for building relationships. Lisa explains how starting with a personal story can ease nerves for both the storyteller and the audience, making the experience more enjoyable and memorable.</p>
<p>As we delve deeper, we explore the barriers that prevent people from making emotional connections through storytelling. Lisa highlights the common misconception that personal stories should be avoided in professional settings. She encourages listeners to embrace their personal narratives, as they can foster deeper conversations and connections. We also touch on the importance of understanding the audience's perspective and tailoring messages accordingly, especially in a world where communication can often feel fragmented.</p>
<p>In light of the current polarized climate, we discuss the challenges communicators face when trying to connect with diverse audiences. Lisa emphasizes the need for curiosity and open-mindedness, urging us to seek to understand differing viewpoints rather than jumping to judgment. We reflect on the importance of acknowledging our cognitive biases and the role of storytelling in bridging divides.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the episode, Lisa shares exciting news about her upcoming book, The Power of Story, which aims to help individuals communicate in a relatable and impactful way. We also discuss her podcast, Breaking Trail , which features stories of leaders who are forging their own paths.</p>
<p>As we wrap up, Lisa leaves us with a powerful nugget of inspiration: to start sharing our personal stories in less risky environments to see how people respond. This practice can help us connect more authentically and stand out in our professional lives.</p>
<p>Join us for this enlightening conversation filled with valuable insights on storytelling, connection, and the importance of being true to ourselves in our professional journeys. Don't forget to check the show notes for links to Lisa's upcoming book and her website, where you can connect with her directly. Thank you for listening to That Solo Life!</p>
<p>About Lisa Gerber</p>
<p>Lisa Gerber is a story strategist and communications expert who works with purpose-driven leaders to help them communicate to connect. Through storytelling, leaders build trust, alignment, and understanding. With a storytelling habit, they become influential leaders. Lisa has been in PR and communications for the past 20+ years and has spent the past decade thinking about how stories help us be better at relationships in life and work. (Hint: it’s about being real, relatable, and riveting.) She is  the author of <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/from-so-what-to-so-funded/'>From So What? To So Funded</a>: How nonprofits use story to create impact and change the world. Her latest book, released in December 2024 is The Power of Story.</p>
<p>You can book a consult with Lisa via her <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/about-us/'>website </a>or connect with her on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisagerber/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Welcome and introduction of hosts and guest Lisa Gerber.</p>
<p>00:01:05 - The Power of Storytelling Discussion on the importance of leading with story in communication.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Creating Emotional Connections Exploration of how storytelling fosters emotional connections in business.</p>
<p>00:05:24 - Barriers to Storytelling Identifying barriers that prevent effective storytelling and emotional connection.</p>
<p>00:06:40 - The Role of Personal Stories The significance of sharing personal stories in professional settings.</p>
<p>00:08:10 - Navigating Vulnerability Addressing the fear of revealing personal experiences in a professional context.</p>
<p>00:10:22 - Understanding Your Audience The importance of tailoring messages to meet the audience's needs.</p>
<p>00:11:52 - Communicating in Polarized Times Tips for storytelling in a fragmented and polarized environment.</p>
<p>00:14:59 - The Importance of Curiosity Encouraging open-mindedness and curiosity in conversations.</p>
<p>00:18:08 - The Role of Truth in Communication Discussing the necessity of truth in building relationships.</p>
<p>00:19:50 - AI and Human Connection The limitations of AI in creating genuine human connections through storytelling.</p>
<p>00:22:02 - Lisa 's Upcoming Book Announcement of Lisa's new book, "The Power of Story."</p>
<p>00:25:04 - Final Inspiration Encouragement to share personal stories and connect authentically.</p>
<p>00:26:20 - Lisa 's Podcast: Breaking Trail Information about Lisa's podcast and its focus on leadership stories.</p>
<p>00:28:06 - Closing Remarks Wrap-up of the episode and invitation for listener engagement.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Randy Pausch TED Talk: <a href='https://www.ted.com/talks/randy_pausch_really_achieving_your_childhood_dreams?utm_campaign=tedspread&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_source=tedcomshare'>Really Achieving your Childhood Dreams</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Lisa’s latest book: <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/the-power-of-story-order/'>The Power of Story</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/the-power-of-story/'>Storytelling Workshop</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">David Brooks Podcast: <a href='https://www.aspenideas.org/podcasts/david-brooks-on-building-trust-and-connection?&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=adgrant&amp;utm_campaign=content&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=adgrant&amp;utm_campaign=&amp;utm_term=david%20brooks%20podcast&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gclid=CjwKCAiA9vS6BhA9EiwAJpnXw5kVWSDHkbiWdKIvndV6dI3lqAnDQDnmJR1c2UhIbVl-lVUMX7iwlRoCsJ4QAvD_BwE'>Aspen Ideas</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast: <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/category/breaking-trail-podcast/'>Breaking Trail</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Heineken Ad: <a href='https://youtu.be/Fo2YF5n_D04?si=nG1zBJiZFkUpffbQ'>Worlds Apart</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 279: The Power of Storytelling in an AI World</p>
In this Episode
<p>A dying man walks onto a stage and opens his talk with photos of his CAT scans and in seconds has the entire room in laughter. Professor Randy Pauch gave this TED Talk and it still serves as a powerful example of the power of stories. In this episode of That Solo Life, we welcome back story strategist, Lisa Gerber of Big Leap Creative to talk about storytelling and why it matters more than ever.</p>
<p>We kick off the conversation by discussing the power of storytelling in business. Lisa shares her insights on why leading with a story is crucial, emphasizing that stories set the tone and energy of any interaction. They capture attention and create emotional connections, which are essential for building relationships. Lisa explains how starting with a personal story can ease nerves for both the storyteller and the audience, making the experience more enjoyable and memorable.</p>
<p>As we delve deeper, we explore the barriers that prevent people from making emotional connections through storytelling. Lisa highlights the common misconception that personal stories should be avoided in professional settings. She encourages listeners to embrace their personal narratives, as they can foster deeper conversations and connections. We also touch on the importance of understanding the audience's perspective and tailoring messages accordingly, especially in a world where communication can often feel fragmented.</p>
<p>In light of the current polarized climate, we discuss the challenges communicators face when trying to connect with diverse audiences. Lisa emphasizes the need for curiosity and open-mindedness, urging us to seek to understand differing viewpoints rather than jumping to judgment. We reflect on the importance of acknowledging our cognitive biases and the role of storytelling in bridging divides.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the episode, Lisa shares exciting news about her upcoming book, The Power of Story, which aims to help individuals communicate in a relatable and impactful way. We also discuss her podcast, Breaking Trail , which features stories of leaders who are forging their own paths.</p>
<p>As we wrap up, Lisa leaves us with a powerful nugget of inspiration: to start sharing our personal stories in less risky environments to see how people respond. This practice can help us connect more authentically and stand out in our professional lives.</p>
<p>Join us for this enlightening conversation filled with valuable insights on storytelling, connection, and the importance of being true to ourselves in our professional journeys. Don't forget to check the show notes for links to Lisa's upcoming book and her website, where you can connect with her directly. Thank you for listening to That Solo Life!</p>
<p>About Lisa Gerber</p>
<p>Lisa Gerber is a story strategist and communications expert who works with purpose-driven leaders to help them communicate to connect. Through storytelling, leaders build trust, alignment, and understanding. With a storytelling habit, they become influential leaders. Lisa has been in PR and communications for the past 20+ years and has spent the past decade thinking about how stories help us be better at relationships in life and work. (Hint: it’s about being real, relatable, and riveting.) She is  the author of <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/from-so-what-to-so-funded/'>From So What? To So Funded</a>: How nonprofits use story to create impact and change the world. Her latest book, released in December 2024 is The Power of Story.</p>
<p>You can book a consult with Lisa via her <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/about-us/'>website </a>or connect with her on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/lisagerber/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Welcome and introduction of hosts and guest Lisa Gerber.</p>
<p>00:01:05 - The Power of Storytelling Discussion on the importance of leading with story in communication.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Creating Emotional Connections Exploration of how storytelling fosters emotional connections in business.</p>
<p>00:05:24 - Barriers to Storytelling Identifying barriers that prevent effective storytelling and emotional connection.</p>
<p>00:06:40 - The Role of Personal Stories The significance of sharing personal stories in professional settings.</p>
<p>00:08:10 - Navigating Vulnerability Addressing the fear of revealing personal experiences in a professional context.</p>
<p>00:10:22 - Understanding Your Audience The importance of tailoring messages to meet the audience's needs.</p>
<p>00:11:52 - Communicating in Polarized Times Tips for storytelling in a fragmented and polarized environment.</p>
<p>00:14:59 - The Importance of Curiosity Encouraging open-mindedness and curiosity in conversations.</p>
<p>00:18:08 - The Role of Truth in Communication Discussing the necessity of truth in building relationships.</p>
<p>00:19:50 - AI and Human Connection The limitations of AI in creating genuine human connections through storytelling.</p>
<p>00:22:02 - Lisa 's Upcoming Book Announcement of Lisa's new book, "The Power of Story."</p>
<p>00:25:04 - Final Inspiration Encouragement to share personal stories and connect authentically.</p>
<p>00:26:20 - Lisa 's Podcast: Breaking Trail Information about Lisa's podcast and its focus on leadership stories.</p>
<p>00:28:06 - Closing Remarks Wrap-up of the episode and invitation for listener engagement.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Randy Pausch TED Talk: <a href='https://www.ted.com/talks/randy_pausch_really_achieving_your_childhood_dreams?utm_campaign=tedspread&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_source=tedcomshare'>Really Achieving your Childhood Dreams</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Lisa’s latest book: <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/the-power-of-story-order/'>The Power of Story</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/the-power-of-story/'>Storytelling Workshop</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">David Brooks Podcast: <a href='https://www.aspenideas.org/podcasts/david-brooks-on-building-trust-and-connection?&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=adgrant&amp;utm_campaign=content&amp;utm_source=google&amp;utm_medium=adgrant&amp;utm_campaign=&amp;utm_term=david%20brooks%20podcast&amp;gad_source=1&amp;gclid=CjwKCAiA9vS6BhA9EiwAJpnXw5kVWSDHkbiWdKIvndV6dI3lqAnDQDnmJR1c2UhIbVl-lVUMX7iwlRoCsJ4QAvD_BwE'>Aspen Ideas</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Podcast: <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/category/breaking-trail-podcast/'>Breaking Trail</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Heineken Ad: <a href='https://youtu.be/Fo2YF5n_D04?si=nG1zBJiZFkUpffbQ'>Worlds Apart</a></li>
</ul>
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In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome Elaine Pofeldt, an independent journalist and speaker specializing in entrepreneurship and careers. Elaine is the author of, The Million Dollar One-Person Business and Tiny Business, Big Money.</p>
<p>The conversation kicked off with a discussion about the evolving landscape of work, particularly the significant role that artificial intelligence (AI) is playing in the business today. Elaine shared her observations on how public relations professionals and marketers are increasingly embracing AI tools, likening this shift to the early days of cloud computing. She emphasized that AI is making business operations more accessible, allowing solo entrepreneurs to streamline workflows and reduce administrative burdens.</p>
<p>As we delved deeper, Elaine highlighted the importance of leveraging technology and outsourcing tasks to enhance productivity. She noted that successful tiny business owners often utilize contractors and standard operating procedures to maintain efficiency. This approach allows them to focus on their core competencies while ensuring that their businesses run smoothly.</p>
<p>Elaine also shared valuable insights gleaned from her interviews with successful entrepreneurs. She emphasized the significance of resilience, adaptability, and the willingness to pivot in response to changing market demands. Many of the entrepreneurs she spoke with have diversified their income streams and continuously reassess their business strategies to stay relevant.</p>
<p>The importance of mindset was a key theme of the episode. Elaine pointed out that the battles we face in business often begin in our minds. She encouraged our listeners to embrace a growth mindset, persist through challenges, and not let rejection deter them from pursuing their goals. The episode also touches on the necessity of building strong relationships and maintaining a network, as these connections can lead to unexpected opportunities.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the episode, we explored the concept of creating a sustainable revenue mix. Elaine advised our listeners to understand their financial needs and develop a clear picture of their baseline costs, both personally and professionally. She stressed the importance of cash flow management and the need for ongoing business development efforts.</p>
<p>In closing, we agreed that the journey of an independent professional is filled with ups and downs, but with the right mindset, tools, and community support, we can navigate these challenges successfully. Elaine's insights were not only inspiring but also practical, providing our audience with actionable takeaways to implement in their own businesses.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<p>The key insights gleaned from the successful entrepreneurs that Elaine Pofeldt spoke with include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They don't do all the work of the business themselves, but leverage technology and contractors to handle tasks</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They have standard operating procedures documented to train others and streamline processes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They consistently show up and do what they say they will do, even on difficult days</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They are resilient and not afraid to pivot, adapting their skills and services as demand changes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They know their strengths and bring their personality to their business, rather than hiding behind a corporate facade</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They focus on building trust and collaboration with clients and media, rather than acting as an all-knowing expert</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They ensure they have a mix of recurring revenue and new business development to maintain a sustainable business through economic cycles</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>About Elaine Pofeldt</p>
<p>Elaine Pofeldt is an independent journalist and engaging speaker known for her expertise in entrepreneurship, freelance success, and the evolving landscape of the workforce.. She is the author of “The Million-Dollar One-Person Business” and “Tiny Business Big Money.”With a comprehensive background in journalism and a passion for exploring how individuals can thrive in their careers, she captivates audiences by sharing valuable insights and practical advice. Elaine's workshops and talks often focus on the importance of building sustainable business models and leveraging freelance opportunities in today's economy. Her approachable style and depth of knowledge resonate with professionals seeking to enhance their skills and navigate the complexities of modern work. You can book Elaine via her <a href='http://elainepofeldt.com/'>website</a> or connect with her on <a href='http://www.linkedin.com/in/ElainePofeldt'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Welcome and introduction of hosts and guest Elaine Pofeldt.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of AI in Business Discussion on the growing trend of AI usage among publicists and marketers.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Leveraging AI for Business Efficiency How tiny businesses are utilizing AI to streamline workflows and improve productivity.</p>
<p>00:04:30 - AI Tools for Content Creation Exploration of various AI tools and their applications in content creation and marketing.</p>
<p>00:11:00 - Insights from Successful Entrepreneurs Key takeaways from interviews with entrepreneurs featured in Elaine's books.</p>
<p>00:12:30 - Common Traits of Successful Entrepreneurs Discussion on the habits and mindsets that contribute to the success of independent business owners.</p>
<p>00:16:00 - Adapting to Economic Changes How entrepreneurs can create sustainable businesses amidst economic fluctuations.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://themilliondollaronepersonbusiness.com/'>The Million Dollar, One Person Business</a>; Purchase the Book on <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-One-Person-Business-Great-Money/dp/039957896X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1495829931&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=the+million+dollar+one+person+business'>Amazon</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://www.pofeldt.com/'>Elaine Pofeldt speaker website</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.amazon.com/Tiny-Business-Big-Money-Microbusiness/dp/1682686434/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&amp;keywords=pofeldt&amp;qid=1629411052&amp;sr=8-3'>Tiny Business, Big Money</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://academy.feisworld.com/writing'>New course on writing for major publications </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://academy.feisworld.com/workshops'>Live pitch-the-media workshops</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Elaine Pofeldt</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Elaine Pofeldt please say thanks on <a href='http://www.linkedin.com/in/ElainePofeldt'>LinkedIn!</a></p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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In this Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome Elaine Pofeldt, an independent journalist and speaker specializing in entrepreneurship and careers. Elaine is the author of, <em>The Million Dollar One-Person Business</em> and <em>Tiny Business, Big Money</em>.</p>
<p>The conversation kicked off with a discussion about the evolving landscape of work, particularly the significant role that artificial intelligence (AI) is playing in the business today. Elaine shared her observations on how public relations professionals and marketers are increasingly embracing AI tools, likening this shift to the early days of cloud computing. She emphasized that AI is making business operations more accessible, allowing solo entrepreneurs to streamline workflows and reduce administrative burdens.</p>
<p>As we delved deeper, Elaine highlighted the importance of leveraging technology and outsourcing tasks to enhance productivity. She noted that successful tiny business owners often utilize contractors and standard operating procedures to maintain efficiency. This approach allows them to focus on their core competencies while ensuring that their businesses run smoothly.</p>
<p>Elaine also shared valuable insights gleaned from her interviews with successful entrepreneurs. She emphasized the significance of resilience, adaptability, and the willingness to pivot in response to changing market demands. Many of the entrepreneurs she spoke with have diversified their income streams and continuously reassess their business strategies to stay relevant.</p>
<p>The importance of mindset was a key theme of the episode. Elaine pointed out that the battles we face in business often begin in our minds. She encouraged our listeners to embrace a growth mindset, persist through challenges, and not let rejection deter them from pursuing their goals. The episode also touches on the necessity of building strong relationships and maintaining a network, as these connections can lead to unexpected opportunities.</p>
<p>Towards the end of the episode, we explored the concept of creating a sustainable revenue mix. Elaine advised our listeners to understand their financial needs and develop a clear picture of their baseline costs, both personally and professionally. She stressed the importance of cash flow management and the need for ongoing business development efforts.</p>
<p>In closing, we agreed that the journey of an independent professional is filled with ups and downs, but with the right mindset, tools, and community support, we can navigate these challenges successfully. Elaine's insights were not only inspiring but also practical, providing our audience with actionable takeaways to implement in their own businesses.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<p>The key insights gleaned from the successful entrepreneurs that Elaine Pofeldt spoke with include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They don't do all the work of the business themselves, but leverage technology and contractors to handle tasks</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They have standard operating procedures documented to train others and streamline processes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They consistently show up and do what they say they will do, even on difficult days</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They are resilient and not afraid to pivot, adapting their skills and services as demand changes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They know their strengths and bring their personality to their business, rather than hiding behind a corporate facade</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They focus on building trust and collaboration with clients and media, rather than acting as an all-knowing expert</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">They ensure they have a mix of recurring revenue and new business development to maintain a sustainable business through economic cycles</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>About Elaine Pofeldt</p>
<p>Elaine Pofeldt is an independent journalist and engaging speaker known for her expertise in entrepreneurship, freelance success, and the evolving landscape of the workforce.. She is the author of “The Million-Dollar One-Person Business” and “Tiny Business Big Money.”With a comprehensive background in journalism and a passion for exploring how individuals can thrive in their careers, she captivates audiences by sharing valuable insights and practical advice. Elaine's workshops and talks often focus on the importance of building sustainable business models and leveraging freelance opportunities in today's economy. Her approachable style and depth of knowledge resonate with professionals seeking to enhance their skills and navigate the complexities of modern work. You can book Elaine via her <a href='http://elainepofeldt.com/'>website</a> or connect with her on <a href='http://www.linkedin.com/in/ElainePofeldt'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Welcome and introduction of hosts and guest Elaine Pofeldt.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of AI in Business Discussion on the growing trend of AI usage among publicists and marketers.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Leveraging AI for Business Efficiency How tiny businesses are utilizing AI to streamline workflows and improve productivity.</p>
<p>00:04:30 - AI Tools for Content Creation Exploration of various AI tools and their applications in content creation and marketing.</p>
<p>00:11:00 - Insights from Successful Entrepreneurs Key takeaways from interviews with entrepreneurs featured in Elaine's books.</p>
<p>00:12:30 - Common Traits of Successful Entrepreneurs Discussion on the habits and mindsets that contribute to the success of independent business owners.</p>
<p>00:16:00 - Adapting to Economic Changes How entrepreneurs can create sustainable businesses amidst economic fluctuations.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://themilliondollaronepersonbusiness.com/'>The Million Dollar, One Person Business</a>; Purchase the Book on <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Million-Dollar-One-Person-Business-Great-Money/dp/039957896X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;qid=1495829931&amp;sr=8-1&amp;keywords=the+million+dollar+one+person+business'>Amazon</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='http://www.pofeldt.com/'>Elaine Pofeldt speaker website</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.amazon.com/Tiny-Business-Big-Money-Microbusiness/dp/1682686434/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&amp;keywords=pofeldt&amp;qid=1629411052&amp;sr=8-3'>Tiny Business, Big Money</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://academy.feisworld.com/writing'>New course on writing for major publications </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://academy.feisworld.com/workshops'>Live pitch-the-media workshops</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Say Thanks to Elaine Pofeldt</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Elaine Pofeldt please say thanks on <a href='http://www.linkedin.com/in/ElainePofeldt'>LinkedIn!</a></p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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In This Episode 
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life , Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss a few simple tasks that solo business owners need to consider as the year comes to a close. </p>
<p>The co-hosts kick off the discussion with information about the Corporate Transparency Act and the necessity for business owners to complete their BOI filing. Karen emphasizes the ease of the process, sharing her own experience and encouraging listeners not to overlook this important legal requirement. Karen and Michelle also touch on the significance of health insurance during this time of year, urging our audience to consult with insurance brokers to find better plans that suit their needs and potentially save them money.</p>
<p>Transitioning into broader industry discussions, they address the noticeable decline in viewership for major news outlets and the cultural shift towards mental self-care. The co-hosts explore how this trend impacts PR professionals and the challenges they face in reaching audiences who are increasingly disengaged from traditional media. Karen highlights the need for creativity and agility in our communication strategies, suggesting that we look beyond conventional methods to connect with our clients and their audiences.</p>
<p>In the episode, Michelle and Karen also discuss the importance of community building in our marketing efforts. With people feeling more isolated than ever, they emphasize the value of creating spaces for connection and engagement. Whether through local events or user groups, listeners are encouraged to think about how they can foster community.</p>
<p>The episode wraps up with a reminder of the actionable steps you can take before the year ends, including completing your BOI filing and securing appropriate health insurance. Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and ideas for future topics, reinforcing the sense of community within the solo PR profession.</p>
<p>Join us for this insightful conversation as we navigate the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead in 2025 and beyond. Don't forget to check out Solo PR Pro for more resources and support in your solo journey!</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they kick off the episode, discussing the countdown to the end of the year.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Filing A discussion on the importance of the BOI filing under the Corporate Transparency Act and tips for completing it efficiently.</p>
<p>00:03:30 - Health Insurance Tips for Solopreneurs Karen shares insights on the benefits of working with an insurance broker to find better health insurance plans.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - The Impact of News Consumption on PR Exploration of the decline in news viewership and its implications for PR professionals in reaching audiences.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Challenges in Media Engagement Discussion on the difficulties of engaging audiences who are tuning out traditional media sources.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Creative Approaches to Storytelling The importance of storytelling in PR and how to connect with audiences on a personal level.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Building Community and Engagement Strategies for creating community connections and engaging customers beyond traditional marketing methods.</p>
<p>00:17:30 - Conclusion and Call to Action Wrapping up the episode with reminders for listeners to complete their BOI filing and health insurance tasks, and encouraging community engagement.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Beneficial Ownership Information - <a href='https://www.fincen.gov/boi-faqs'>Online quiz and filing</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Health Care information for the self-employed: <a href='https://www.healthcare.gov/self-employed/'>Healthcare.gov</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 277: Quick Things to Check Off Before the Year Ends
In This Episode 
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em> , Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss a few simple tasks that solo business owners need to consider as the year comes to a close. </p>
<p>The co-hosts kick off the discussion with information about the Corporate Transparency Act and the necessity for business owners to complete their BOI filing. Karen emphasizes the ease of the process, sharing her own experience and encouraging listeners not to overlook this important legal requirement. Karen and Michelle also touch on the significance of health insurance during this time of year, urging our audience to consult with insurance brokers to find better plans that suit their needs and potentially save them money.</p>
<p>Transitioning into broader industry discussions, they address the noticeable decline in viewership for major news outlets and the cultural shift towards mental self-care. The co-hosts explore how this trend impacts PR professionals and the challenges they face in reaching audiences who are increasingly disengaged from traditional media. Karen highlights the need for creativity and agility in our communication strategies, suggesting that we look beyond conventional methods to connect with our clients and their audiences.</p>
<p>In the episode, Michelle and Karen also discuss the importance of community building in our marketing efforts. With people feeling more isolated than ever, they emphasize the value of creating spaces for connection and engagement. Whether through local events or user groups, listeners are encouraged to think about how they can foster community.</p>
<p>The episode wraps up with a reminder of the actionable steps you can take before the year ends, including completing your BOI filing and securing appropriate health insurance. Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and ideas for future topics, reinforcing the sense of community within the solo PR profession.</p>
<p>Join us for this insightful conversation as we navigate the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead in 2025 and beyond. Don't forget to check out Solo PR Pro for more resources and support in your solo journey!</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they kick off the episode, discussing the countdown to the end of the year.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Filing A discussion on the importance of the BOI filing under the Corporate Transparency Act and tips for completing it efficiently.</p>
<p>00:03:30 - Health Insurance Tips for Solopreneurs Karen shares insights on the benefits of working with an insurance broker to find better health insurance plans.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - The Impact of News Consumption on PR Exploration of the decline in news viewership and its implications for PR professionals in reaching audiences.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Challenges in Media Engagement Discussion on the difficulties of engaging audiences who are tuning out traditional media sources.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Creative Approaches to Storytelling The importance of storytelling in PR and how to connect with audiences on a personal level.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Building Community and Engagement Strategies for creating community connections and engaging customers beyond traditional marketing methods.</p>
<p>00:17:30 - Conclusion and Call to Action Wrapping up the episode with reminders for listeners to complete their BOI filing and health insurance tasks, and encouraging community engagement.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Beneficial Ownership Information - <a href='https://www.fincen.gov/boi-faqs'>Online quiz and filing</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Health Care information for the self-employed: <a href='https://www.healthcare.gov/self-employed/'>Healthcare.gov</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 277: Quick Things to Check Off Before the Year Ends
In This Episode 
In this episode of That Solo Life , Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss a few simple tasks that solo business owners need to consider as the year comes to a close. 
The co-hosts kick off the discussion with information about the Corporate Transparency Act and the necessity for business owners to complete their BOI filing. Karen emphasizes the ease of the process, sharing her own experience and encouraging listeners not to overlook this important legal requirement. Karen and Michelle also touch on the significance of health insurance during this time of year, urging our audience to consult with insurance brokers to find better plans that suit their needs and potentially save them money.
Transitioning into broader industry discussions, they address the noticeable decline in viewership for major news outlets and the cultural shift towards mental self-care. The co-hosts explore how this trend impacts PR professionals and the challenges they face in reaching audiences who are increasingly disengaged from traditional media. Karen highlights the need for creativity and agility in our communication strategies, suggesting that we look beyond conventional methods to connect with our clients and their audiences.
In the episode, Michelle and Karen also discuss the importance of community building in our marketing efforts. With people feeling more isolated than ever, they emphasize the value of creating spaces for connection and engagement. Whether through local events or user groups, listeners are encouraged to think about how they can foster community.
The episode wraps up with a reminder of the actionable steps you can take before the year ends, including completing your BOI filing and securing appropriate health insurance. Listeners are invited to share their thoughts and ideas for future topics, reinforcing the sense of community within the solo PR profession.
Join us for this insightful conversation as we navigate the challenges and opportunities that lie ahead in 2025 and beyond. Don't forget to check out Solo PR Pro for more resources and support in your solo journey!
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they kick off the episode, discussing the countdown to the end of the year.
00:01:00 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Filing A discussion on the importance of the BOI filing under the Corporate Transparency Act and tips for completing it efficiently.
00:03:30 - Health Insurance Tips for Solopreneurs Karen shares insights on the benefits of working with an insurance broker to find better health insurance plans.
00:06:30 - The Impact of News Consumption on PR Exploration of the decline in news viewership and its implications for PR professionals in reaching audiences.
00:09:30 - Challenges in Media Engagement Discussion on the difficulties of engaging audiences who are tuning out traditional media sources.
00:12:00 - Creative Approaches to Storytelling The importance of storytelling in PR and how to connect with audiences on a personal level.
00:15:00 - Building Community and Engagement Strategies for creating community connections and engaging customers beyond traditional marketing methods.
00:17:30 - Conclusion and Call to Action Wrapping up the episode with reminders for listeners to complete their BOI filing and health insurance tasks, and encouraging community engagement.
Resources:

Beneficial Ownership Information - Online quiz and filing
Health Care information for the self-employed: Healthcare.gov

Enjoyed the episode? 
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 276: Heart And Humanity: Delivering Authentic Messages In the AI Age
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the intersection of technology, nostalgia, and the human experience, particularly in the context of recent advertising trends and societal shifts.</p>
<p>The conversation kicks off with discussion about a recent Coca-Cola commercial that was created using AI technology. The hosts note that the commercial has been criticized by some viewers as being "creepy" and lacking the human touch that people expect from holiday advertisements.,  highlighting a growing discomfort with artificial intelligence in creative spaces.  The discussion examines the tension between the increasing use of AI in creative fields and the desire for authenticity and emotional connection in advertising and media. </p>
<p>In spite of the advancements in technology, audiences still crave authentic, human-generated content, especially during the holiday season when emotions and traditions run deep.</p>
<p>Turning from the implications of AI in our lives, the discussion touches on the broader context of economic challenges facing various industries. Companies are cutting back on familiar products and brands, leaving consumers feeling unsettled. Public Relations professionals must consider the importance of maintaining human connection and authenticity in our communications, especially as we face a landscape filled with misinformation and distrust.</p>
<p>The hosts also touch on the broader challenges communicators face in an environment of misinformation and political polarization, emphasizing the importance of honesty, transparency, and finding ways to build trust with audiences. </p>
<p>There is an urgent need for tools and regulations that can help combat misinformation, particularly in the context of the mental health crisis affecting younger generations. The conversation shifts to the responsibility of brands to engage in meaningful dialogue and foster trust with their audiences.</p>
<p>The episode concludes on a hopeful note, reminding us that despite the complexities of modern life, people still yearn for warmth, nostalgia, and genuine human connection.</p>
<p>Join us as we explore these pressing issues and reflect on how we, as communicators, can deliver factual information infused with heart and humanity. We invite you to share your thoughts and feedback, and encourage you to spread the word about our podcast. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life
Welcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p>00:00:12 - Monday Musings
Discussion about the challenges of Mondays and the unpredictability of the week.</p>
<p>00:00:39 - Coca-Cola's AI Commercial
Overview of the controversial AI-generated Coca-Cola commercial and audience reactions.</p>
<p>00:01:20 - The Human Element in Marketing
Exploration of the importance of human-generated content and emotional connection in advertising.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - The Evolution of Technology and AI
Reflection on how AI has transitioned from science fiction to reality and its implications.</p>
<p>00:03:42 - Consumer Sentiment and Nostalgia
Discussion on consumer preferences for authentic experiences and nostalgia during the holiday season.</p>
<p>00:05:20 - Industry Challenges and Cost-Cutting
Examination of cost-cutting measures in various industries and their impact on consumers.</p>
<p>00:07:15 - The Role of Communicators
The importance of communicators in addressing misinformation and building trust.</p>
<p>00:08:37 - Navigating Distrust in Audiences
Strategies for reaching audiences that distrust institutions and media.</p>
<p>00:10:46 - The Need for Diverse Perspectives
Concerns about the loss of diverse opinions and the implications for society.</p>
<p>00:11:44 - Truth and Transparency in Communication
The necessity of honesty and transparency in brand communication.</p>
<p>00:12:58 - Protecting Against Misinformation
Discussion on the need for tools and regulations to combat misinformation.</p>
<p>00:14:37 - The Greater Good in Business
Encouragement for businesses to balance profit with societal good.</p>
<p>00:15:55 - The Importance of Humanity and Nostalgia
Closing thoughts on the enduring human need for warmth, nostalgia, and connection, especially during the holidays.</p>
<p>00:16:25 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Wrap-up of the episode and invitation for listener engagement and feedback</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://youtu.be/4RSTupbfGog?si=Ej1Zb2mrjurfIHSR'>Coca Cola Ad</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Adweek: <a href='https://www.adweek.com/creativity/how-coca-colas-ai-holiday-ad-went-from-praise-to-rage/?utm_source=Iterable&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=campaign_11781665_ADWEEK_Daily_241121&amp;lctg=03f3b10d-90c1-4ec7-a09b-99de2a8e5a89'>How Coca-Cola's AI Holiday Ad Went From Praise To Rage</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8eekCgIw3A'>The Battle Against Misinformation</a> (with AI expert, Axel Ebermann)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 276: Heart And Humanity: Delivering Authentic Messages In the AI Age
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the intersection of technology, nostalgia, and the human experience, particularly in the context of recent advertising trends and societal shifts.</p>
<p>The conversation kicks off with discussion about a recent Coca-Cola commercial that was created using AI technology. The hosts note that the commercial has been criticized by some viewers as being "creepy" and lacking the human touch that people expect from holiday advertisements.,  highlighting a growing discomfort with artificial intelligence in creative spaces.  The discussion examines the tension between the increasing use of AI in creative fields and the desire for authenticity and emotional connection in advertising and media. </p>
<p>In spite of the advancements in technology, audiences still crave authentic, human-generated content, especially during the holiday season when emotions and traditions run deep.</p>
<p>Turning from the implications of AI in our lives, the discussion touches on the broader context of economic challenges facing various industries. Companies are cutting back on familiar products and brands, leaving consumers feeling unsettled. Public Relations professionals must consider the importance of maintaining human connection and authenticity in our communications, especially as we face a landscape filled with misinformation and distrust.</p>
<p>The hosts also touch on the broader challenges communicators face in an environment of misinformation and political polarization, emphasizing the importance of honesty, transparency, and finding ways to build trust with audiences. </p>
<p>There is an urgent need for tools and regulations that can help combat misinformation, particularly in the context of the mental health crisis affecting younger generations. The conversation shifts to the responsibility of brands to engage in meaningful dialogue and foster trust with their audiences.</p>
<p>The episode concludes on a hopeful note, reminding us that despite the complexities of modern life, people still yearn for warmth, nostalgia, and genuine human connection.</p>
<p>Join us as we explore these pressing issues and reflect on how we, as communicators, can deliver factual information infused with heart and humanity. We invite you to share your thoughts and feedback, and encourage you to spread the word about our podcast. Thank you for tuning in to <em>That Solo Life</em>!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life<br>
Welcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p>00:00:12 - Monday Musings<br>
Discussion about the challenges of Mondays and the unpredictability of the week.</p>
<p>00:00:39 - Coca-Cola's AI Commercial<br>
Overview of the controversial AI-generated Coca-Cola commercial and audience reactions.</p>
<p>00:01:20 - The Human Element in Marketing<br>
Exploration of the importance of human-generated content and emotional connection in advertising.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - The Evolution of Technology and AI<br>
Reflection on how AI has transitioned from science fiction to reality and its implications.</p>
<p>00:03:42 - Consumer Sentiment and Nostalgia<br>
Discussion on consumer preferences for authentic experiences and nostalgia during the holiday season.</p>
<p>00:05:20 - Industry Challenges and Cost-Cutting<br>
Examination of cost-cutting measures in various industries and their impact on consumers.</p>
<p>00:07:15 - The Role of Communicators<br>
The importance of communicators in addressing misinformation and building trust.</p>
<p>00:08:37 - Navigating Distrust in Audiences<br>
Strategies for reaching audiences that distrust institutions and media.</p>
<p>00:10:46 - The Need for Diverse Perspectives<br>
Concerns about the loss of diverse opinions and the implications for society.</p>
<p>00:11:44 - Truth and Transparency in Communication<br>
The necessity of honesty and transparency in brand communication.</p>
<p>00:12:58 - Protecting Against Misinformation<br>
Discussion on the need for tools and regulations to combat misinformation.</p>
<p>00:14:37 - The Greater Good in Business<br>
Encouragement for businesses to balance profit with societal good.</p>
<p>00:15:55 - The Importance of Humanity and Nostalgia<br>
Closing thoughts on the enduring human need for warmth, nostalgia, and connection, especially during the holidays.</p>
<p>00:16:25 - Conclusion and Call to Action<br>
Wrap-up of the episode and invitation for listener engagement and feedback</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://youtu.be/4RSTupbfGog?si=Ej1Zb2mrjurfIHSR'>Coca Cola Ad</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Adweek: <a href='https://www.adweek.com/creativity/how-coca-colas-ai-holiday-ad-went-from-praise-to-rage/?utm_source=Iterable&amp;utm_medium=email&amp;utm_campaign=campaign_11781665_ADWEEK_Daily_241121&amp;lctg=03f3b10d-90c1-4ec7-a09b-99de2a8e5a89'>How Coca-Cola's AI Holiday Ad Went From Praise To Rage</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">That Solo Life: <a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8eekCgIw3A'>The Battle Against Misinformation</a> (with AI expert, Axel Ebermann)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In this Episode
In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the intersection of technology, nostalgia, and the human experience, particularly in the context of recent advertising trends and societal shifts.
The conversation kicks off with discussion about a recent Coca-Cola commercial that was created using AI technology. The hosts note that the commercial has been criticized by some viewers as being "creepy" and lacking the human touch that people expect from holiday advertisements.,  highlighting a growing discomfort with artificial intelligence in creative spaces.  The discussion examines the tension between the increasing use of AI in creative fields and the desire for authenticity and emotional connection in advertising and media. 
In spite of the advancements in technology, audiences still crave authentic, human-generated content, especially during the holiday season when emotions and traditions run deep.
Turning from the implications of AI in our lives, the discussion touches on the broader context of economic challenges facing various industries. Companies are cutting back on familiar products and brands, leaving consumers feeling unsettled. Public Relations professionals must consider the importance of maintaining human connection and authenticity in our communications, especially as we face a landscape filled with misinformation and distrust.
The hosts also touch on the broader challenges communicators face in an environment of misinformation and political polarization, emphasizing the importance of honesty, transparency, and finding ways to build trust with audiences. 
There is an urgent need for tools and regulations that can help combat misinformation, particularly in the context of the mental health crisis affecting younger generations. The conversation shifts to the responsibility of brands to engage in meaningful dialogue and foster trust with their audiences.
The episode concludes on a hopeful note, reminding us that despite the complexities of modern life, people still yearn for warmth, nostalgia, and genuine human connection.
Join us as we explore these pressing issues and reflect on how we, as communicators, can deliver factual information infused with heart and humanity. We invite you to share your thoughts and feedback, and encourage you to spread the word about our podcast. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo LifeWelcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.
00:00:12 - Monday MusingsDiscussion about the challenges of Mondays and the unpredictability of the week.
00:00:39 - Coca-Cola's AI CommercialOverview of the controversial AI-generated Coca-Cola commercial and audience reactions.
00:01:20 - The Human Element in MarketingExploration of the importance of human-generated content and emotional connection in advertising.
00:02:30 - The Evolution of Technology and AIReflection on how AI has transitioned from science fiction to reality and its implications.
00:03:42 - Consumer Sentiment and NostalgiaDiscussion on consumer preferences for authentic experiences and nostalgia during the holiday season.
00:05:20 - Industry Challenges and Cost-CuttingExamination of cost-cutting measures in various industries and their impact on consumers.
00:07:15 - The Role of CommunicatorsThe importance of communicators in addressing misinformation and building trust.
00:08:37 - Navigating Distrust in AudiencesStrategies for reaching audiences that distrust institutions and media.
00:10:46 - The Need for Diverse PerspectivesConcerns about the loss of diverse opinions and the implications for society.
00:11:44 - Truth and Transparency in CommunicationThe necessity of honesty and transparency in brand communication.
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<p> </p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss strategies for solo PR professionals and marketers to improve their own business development and marketing efforts. Key points include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of using your own channels (e.g. YouTube, social media) to share your expertise and build your audience, rather than just focusing on client work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Techniques to reclaim time and be more efficient, such as using automation tools and AI to streamline administrative tasks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Developing a strategic content plan for your own business, rather than just reactive posting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Utilizing the holiday/end-of-year period to prepare for a strong start to the new year.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>A common challenge faced by many in PR is the tendency to rely on passive client acquisition methods. Listeners  are encouraged to play an active role by taking  control of their own media presence and marketing efforts.</p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss the fatigue that can come from managing client work while neglecting your own marketing channels. They emphasize the importance of consistency in promoting your expertise through social media and other channels.  Karen and Michelle also discuss practical steps to reclaim time and streamline our processes, including the use of automation tools and AI to manage administrative tasks and enhance productivity.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen stress the importance of strategic planning for our own businesses, just as we do for our clients. By identifying where our target audience is and how they prefer to engage with us, we can create a focused content strategy that resonates with potential clients. We explore various content formats, from articles and podcasts to social media posts, and encourage listeners to leverage tools that can simplify content creation.</p>
<p>The audience is reminded that a monthly theme can help maintain focus and consistency. The co-hosts also share the value of using AI for ideation to generate relevant topics and streamline content planning.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, listeners are encouraged to use the upcoming holiday season as an opportunity to prepare for the new year. By starting now, you can alleviate the pressure of January and set yourself up for success. </p>
<p>Join us for this insightful discussion as we motivate each other to take proactive steps in our business development efforts and embrace the opportunities that lie ahead!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life
Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they introduce the podcast and discuss the importance of business development for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of Proactive Marketing
Exploring the passive nature of client acquisition and the need for independent professionals to take control of their own marketing efforts.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Overcoming the Overwhelm
Discussing the challenges of balancing client work with self-promotion and the mental fatigue that can come with it.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Reclaiming Your Time
Strategies for analyzing how time is spent and the importance of breaking down billable hours to find time for business development.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - Utilizing Automation and Tools
The benefits of using automation and AI tools to streamline administrative tasks and free up time for business growth.</p>
<p>00:08:30 - Setting the Table for Success
The necessity of preparing your business infrastructure to handle new clients effectively and efficiently.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Creating a Strategic Plan
The importance of developing a strategic plan for your own marketing efforts, similar to what you would do for clients.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Leveraging Content Creation Tools
How to use AI tools to generate content efficiently and maximize your marketing efforts with minimal time investment.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Using AI for Topic Ideation
Tips on using AI to brainstorm content ideas and create a content calendar to stay organized and consistent.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - Preparing for the New Year
Encouragement to use the slow season to prepare for the upcoming year and set goals for business development.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Wrapping up the episode with a call for listener engagement and feedback, encouraging sharing and reviews.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/fall-into-business-development/'>Fall Into Business Development</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wpbbYFm5s'>AI Business Strategies</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 275: Get Proactive with Acquiring New Clients</p>
<p> </p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss strategies for solo PR professionals and marketers to improve their own business development and marketing efforts. Key points include:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The importance of using your own channels (e.g. YouTube, social media) to share your expertise and build your audience, rather than just focusing on client work.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Techniques to reclaim time and be more efficient, such as using automation tools and AI to streamline administrative tasks.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Developing a strategic content plan for your own business, rather than just reactive posting.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Utilizing the holiday/end-of-year period to prepare for a strong start to the new year.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>A common challenge faced by many in PR is the tendency to rely on passive client acquisition methods. Listeners  are encouraged to play an active role by taking  control of their own media presence and marketing efforts.</p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss the fatigue that can come from managing client work while neglecting your own marketing channels. They emphasize the importance of consistency in promoting your expertise through social media and other channels.  Karen and Michelle also discuss practical steps to reclaim time and streamline our processes, including the use of automation tools and AI to manage administrative tasks and enhance productivity.</p>
<p>Michelle and Karen stress the importance of strategic planning for our own businesses, just as we do for our clients. By identifying where our target audience is and how they prefer to engage with us, we can create a focused content strategy that resonates with potential clients. We explore various content formats, from articles and podcasts to social media posts, and encourage listeners to leverage tools that can simplify content creation.</p>
<p>The audience is reminded that a monthly theme can help maintain focus and consistency. The co-hosts also share the value of using AI for ideation to generate relevant topics and streamline content planning.</p>
<p>As the episode wraps up, listeners are encouraged to use the upcoming holiday season as an opportunity to prepare for the new year. By starting now, you can alleviate the pressure of January and set yourself up for success. </p>
<p>Join us for this insightful discussion as we motivate each other to take proactive steps in our business development efforts and embrace the opportunities that lie ahead!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life<br>
Join Michelle Kane and Karen Swim as they introduce the podcast and discuss the importance of business development for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of Proactive Marketing<br>
Exploring the passive nature of client acquisition and the need for independent professionals to take control of their own marketing efforts.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Overcoming the Overwhelm<br>
Discussing the challenges of balancing client work with self-promotion and the mental fatigue that can come with it.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Reclaiming Your Time<br>
Strategies for analyzing how time is spent and the importance of breaking down billable hours to find time for business development.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - Utilizing Automation and Tools<br>
The benefits of using automation and AI tools to streamline administrative tasks and free up time for business growth.</p>
<p>00:08:30 - Setting the Table for Success<br>
The necessity of preparing your business infrastructure to handle new clients effectively and efficiently.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Creating a Strategic Plan<br>
The importance of developing a strategic plan for your own marketing efforts, similar to what you would do for clients.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Leveraging Content Creation Tools<br>
How to use AI tools to generate content efficiently and maximize your marketing efforts with minimal time investment.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Using AI for Topic Ideation<br>
Tips on using AI to brainstorm content ideas and create a content calendar to stay organized and consistent.</p>
<p>00:13:00 - Preparing for the New Year<br>
Encouragement to use the slow season to prepare for the upcoming year and set goals for business development.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action<br>
Wrapping up the episode with a call for listener engagement and feedback, encouraging sharing and reviews.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/fall-into-business-development/'>Fall Into Business Development</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0wpbbYFm5s'>AI Business Strategies</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 274: Five Things Solo PR Pros Should Do Before The New Year</p>
<p> </p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>The final quarter of the year is here, and we are all sprinting toward the finish line. But before we close the books on 2024, there are a few things to do to prepare for 2025. In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane cover five things to do (and think about) before we close the books on this year.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle kick off the discussion by highlighting the Corporate Transparency Act and the BOI reporting requirements that came into effect this year. Many small business owners may not be aware of these obligations, so they emphasize the simplicity of the filing process and encourage listeners to complete it before the year ends. </p>
<p>The co-hosts then turn the focus to the importance of defining and understanding your values as business owners. Consumers increasingly prioritize corporate values in their buying decisions. This consideration is not limited to B2C companies but impacts B2B as well.Michelle and Karen discuss having a clear set of values  for your Solo PR business. Values can guide decision-making and attract the right clients. </p>
<p>The conversation then moves to the critical topic of Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and analytics. Listeners  are urged to become comfortable with understanding how PR  impacts client KPIs and using those metrics to demonstrate value. </p>
<p>Pricing models are evolving as companies adapt to marketing conditions. Michelle and Karen discuss the need for flexibility in pricing strategies, particularly in light of changing client needs and economic uncertainties. They discuss the need to have a range of pricing options available such as project-based pricing and flexible retainer options to better align with client expectations and your own financial stability.</p>
<p>Finally, the hosts address the integration of AI into our workflows. They discuss the importance of distinguishing between using AI as a tool versus relying on it to produce work independently. We emphasize the need for ethical considerations and transparency when using AI, as well as the importance of verifying information sourced through AI tools.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle aim to equip listeners with actionable insights and strategies to navigate the complexities of running a solo business. They encourage everyone to take proactive steps, from filing necessary reports to refining pricing strategies, all while maintaining a focus on values and data-driven practices.</p>
<p>We hope you find value in our discussion and encourage you to share this episode with fellow PR pros and marketers. Don't forget to check out soloprpro.com for more resources to help you build a better business. Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to connecting with you in our next episode!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Q4 Reflection</p>
<p> 00:01:30 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Reporting</p>
<p> 00:05:04 - Understanding Your Values </p>
<p>00:10:45 - The Importance of KPIs and Analytics</p>
<p> 00:15:12 - Pricing Strategies for 2025</p>
<p> 00:20:22 - AI Disclosure and Ethical Use </p>
<p>00:21:33 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2513#:~:text=This%20bill%20generally%20addresses%20the,regulations%20required%20under%20this%20division.'>Corporate Transparency Act</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://fincen.gov/boi'>Beneficial Owner Information Filing</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://amecorg.com/guide-to-measurement/'>AMEC Guide to Measurement</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://learn.g2.com/pr-measurement'>G2 PR Measurement Post </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.hubspot.com/startups/ai-usage-policy#:~:text=Develop%20best%20practices,allowed%20and%20which%20aren't.'>How to Create an AI Usage Policy</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life, Episode 274: Five Things Solo PR Pros Should Do Before The New Year</p>
<p> </p>
<p>In This Episode</p>
<p>The final quarter of the year is here, and we are all sprinting toward the finish line. But before we close the books on 2024, there are a few things to do to prepare for 2025. In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane cover five things to do (and think about) before we close the books on this year.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle kick off the discussion by highlighting the Corporate Transparency Act and the BOI reporting requirements that came into effect this year. Many small business owners may not be aware of these obligations, so they emphasize the simplicity of the filing process and encourage listeners to complete it before the year ends. </p>
<p>The co-hosts then turn the focus to the importance of defining and understanding your values as business owners. Consumers increasingly prioritize corporate values in their buying decisions. This consideration is not limited to B2C companies but impacts B2B as well.Michelle and Karen discuss having a clear set of values  for your Solo PR business. Values can guide decision-making and attract the right clients. </p>
<p>The conversation then moves to the critical topic of Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and analytics. Listeners  are urged to become comfortable with understanding how PR  impacts client KPIs and using those metrics to demonstrate value. </p>
<p>Pricing models are evolving as companies adapt to marketing conditions. Michelle and Karen discuss the need for flexibility in pricing strategies, particularly in light of changing client needs and economic uncertainties. They discuss the need to have a range of pricing options available such as project-based pricing and flexible retainer options to better align with client expectations and your own financial stability.</p>
<p>Finally, the hosts address the integration of AI into our workflows. They discuss the importance of distinguishing between using AI as a tool versus relying on it to produce work independently. We emphasize the need for ethical considerations and transparency when using AI, as well as the importance of verifying information sourced through AI tools.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle aim to equip listeners with actionable insights and strategies to navigate the complexities of running a solo business. They encourage everyone to take proactive steps, from filing necessary reports to refining pricing strategies, all while maintaining a focus on values and data-driven practices.</p>
<p>We hope you find value in our discussion and encourage you to share this episode with fellow PR pros and marketers. Don't forget to check out soloprpro.com for more resources to help you build a better business. Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to connecting with you in our next episode!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Q4 Reflection</p>
<p> 00:01:30 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Reporting</p>
<p> 00:05:04 - Understanding Your Values </p>
<p>00:10:45 - The Importance of KPIs and Analytics</p>
<p> 00:15:12 - Pricing Strategies for 2025</p>
<p> 00:20:22 - AI Disclosure and Ethical Use </p>
<p>00:21:33 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/2513#:~:text=This%20bill%20generally%20addresses%20the,regulations%20required%20under%20this%20division.'>Corporate Transparency Act</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://fincen.gov/boi'>Beneficial Owner Information Filing</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://amecorg.com/guide-to-measurement/'>AMEC Guide to Measurement</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://learn.g2.com/pr-measurement'>G2 PR Measurement Post </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.hubspot.com/startups/ai-usage-policy#:~:text=Develop%20best%20practices,allowed%20and%20which%20aren't.'>How to Create an AI Usage Policy</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In This Episode
The final quarter of the year is here, and we are all sprinting toward the finish line. But before we close the books on 2024, there are a few things to do to prepare for 2025. In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane cover five things to do (and think about) before we close the books on this year.
Karen and Michelle kick off the discussion by highlighting the Corporate Transparency Act and the BOI reporting requirements that came into effect this year. Many small business owners may not be aware of these obligations, so they emphasize the simplicity of the filing process and encourage listeners to complete it before the year ends. 
The co-hosts then turn the focus to the importance of defining and understanding your values as business owners. Consumers increasingly prioritize corporate values in their buying decisions. This consideration is not limited to B2C companies but impacts B2B as well.Michelle and Karen discuss having a clear set of values  for your Solo PR business. Values can guide decision-making and attract the right clients. 
The conversation then moves to the critical topic of Key Performance Indicators (KPIs) and analytics. Listeners  are urged to become comfortable with understanding how PR  impacts client KPIs and using those metrics to demonstrate value. 
Pricing models are evolving as companies adapt to marketing conditions. Michelle and Karen discuss the need for flexibility in pricing strategies, particularly in light of changing client needs and economic uncertainties. They discuss the need to have a range of pricing options available such as project-based pricing and flexible retainer options to better align with client expectations and your own financial stability.
Finally, the hosts address the integration of AI into our workflows. They discuss the importance of distinguishing between using AI as a tool versus relying on it to produce work independently. We emphasize the need for ethical considerations and transparency when using AI, as well as the importance of verifying information sourced through AI tools.
Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle aim to equip listeners with actionable insights and strategies to navigate the complexities of running a solo business. They encourage everyone to take proactive steps, from filing necessary reports to refining pricing strategies, all while maintaining a focus on values and data-driven practices.
We hope you find value in our discussion and encourage you to share this episode with fellow PR pros and marketers. Don't forget to check out soloprpro.com for more resources to help you build a better business. Thank you for joining us on this journey, and we look forward to connecting with you in our next episode!
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction and Q4 Reflection
 00:01:30 - Corporate Transparency Act and BOI Reporting
 00:05:04 - Understanding Your Values 
00:10:45 - The Importance of KPIs and Analytics
 00:15:12 - Pricing Strategies for 2025
 00:20:22 - AI Disclosure and Ethical Use 
00:21:33 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Resources:
Corporate Transparency Act
Beneficial Owner Information Filing
AMEC Guide to Measurement
G2 PR Measurement Post 
How to Create an AI Usage Policy
Enjoyed the episode? 
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In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the pressing issues of declining trust in institutions and how it impacts the practice and perception of the public relations industry. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss how the lack of trust has allowed for the proliferation of false narratives, making the PR professional's job more difficult and vital than ever. They emphasize the importance of PR professionals in protecting brand reputation, serving as strategic counselors, and being the crafters of the story that companies present to their audiences. The speakers call for the PR industry to do a better job of elevating the value and expertise of PR professionals, who possess crucial institutional knowledge and the ability to navigate the complex trust landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle kick off the episode with a look at the alarming decline in trust across various institutions, as highlighted by the Edelman Trust Barometer. Karen points out that this erosion of trust has led to a fragmented reality where individuals cling to beliefs that align with their perceptions, often disregarding factual information. This phenomenon is exacerbated by the rise of misinformation, which has become rampant in our digital age. The discussion explores how the internet, while a powerful tool for communication, has also created a level playing field for the spread of both truth and falsehoods.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>PR professionals recognize the critical importance of their role in combating misinformation and maintaining brand trust. The work of PR pros goes beyond simply securing media placements; they are the storytellers who shape how organizations present themselves to the world. However, the hosts acknowledge the challenges faced in educating clients and the public about the true value of public relations.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michielle  highlight the necessity of having skilled communicators who can navigate crises and manage brand reputation. We stress that the decisions made today will have long-lasting effects, and without a strong PR strategy, organizations risk losing the trust of their audiences, including their own employees.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle  reflect on the unique expertise that comes from years of experience in the field. They advocate for the need to elevate the perception of the PR profession and ensure that our voices are heard. Listeners are encouraged  to share their thoughts and questions, and reminded of the vital role they play in shaping narratives and fostering trust in an increasingly complex world.</p>
<p>

</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life
Welcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Decline of Trust in Institutions
Discussion on the decreasing trust in organizations and institutions over the past decade.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Misinformation and Its Impact
Exploration of how misinformation spreads and its relationship with the lack of trust.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - The Role of Critical Thinking
The importance of critical thinking in discerning truth in the age of misinformation.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Challenge of Ideologies
How deeply held beliefs complicate the public relations landscape.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - The Importance of PR in Crisis Management
The vital role of public relations in protecting brand reputation and managing crises.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Understanding the Role of PR Professionals
Discussion on the misconceptions about public relations and the need for better understanding of the profession.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - The Value of Storytelling in PR
The significance of storytelling in communicating a brand's identity and values.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Elevating the PR Profession
The need for the public relations industry to advocate for itself and improve public perception.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Long-Term Impact of Trust Erosion
The potential long-term consequences of declining trust on organizations and society.</p>
<p>00:12:30 - Building and Maintaining Trust
The importance of consistent actions and accountability in maintaining brand trust.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - The Value of Institutional Knowledge
The significance of experience and institutional knowledge in the effectiveness of PR professionals.</p>
<p>00:16:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Wrap-up of the discussion and encouragement to share the podcast and engage with the hosts.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.edelman.com/trust/2024/trust-barometer'>Edelman Trust Barometer</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://blog.notified.com/how-pr-pros-can-fight-fake-news-in-2024'>How PR Pros Can Fight Fake News in 2024</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://hbr.org/2020/05/begin-with-trust'>Everything Starts with Trust</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/disconnect-divisions-and-the-urgent-need-for-diligence-in-commmunication/'>Disconnect, Division and the Urgent Need for Diligence in Communications</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 273: Being a PR Pro in the Age of Mistrust
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the pressing issues of declining trust in institutions and how it impacts the practice and perception of the public relations industry. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>The co-hosts discuss how the lack of trust has allowed for the proliferation of false narratives, making the PR professional's job more difficult and vital than ever. They emphasize the importance of PR professionals in protecting brand reputation, serving as strategic counselors, and being the crafters of the story that companies present to their audiences. The speakers call for the PR industry to do a better job of elevating the value and expertise of PR professionals, who possess crucial institutional knowledge and the ability to navigate the complex trust landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle kick off the episode with a look at the alarming decline in trust across various institutions, as highlighted by the Edelman Trust Barometer. Karen points out that this erosion of trust has led to a fragmented reality where individuals cling to beliefs that align with their perceptions, often disregarding factual information. This phenomenon is exacerbated by the rise of misinformation, which has become rampant in our digital age. The discussion explores how the internet, while a powerful tool for communication, has also created a level playing field for the spread of both truth and falsehoods.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>PR professionals recognize the critical importance of their role in combating misinformation and maintaining brand trust. The work of PR pros goes beyond simply securing media placements; they are the storytellers who shape how organizations present themselves to the world. However, the hosts acknowledge the challenges faced in educating clients and the public about the true value of public relations.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michielle  highlight the necessity of having skilled communicators who can navigate crises and manage brand reputation. We stress that the decisions made today will have long-lasting effects, and without a strong PR strategy, organizations risk losing the trust of their audiences, including their own employees.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle  reflect on the unique expertise that comes from years of experience in the field. They advocate for the need to elevate the perception of the PR profession and ensure that our voices are heard. Listeners are encouraged  to share their thoughts and questions, and reminded of the vital role they play in shaping narratives and fostering trust in an increasingly complex world.</p>
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<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life<br>
Welcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Decline of Trust in Institutions<br>
Discussion on the decreasing trust in organizations and institutions over the past decade.</p>
<p>00:02:30 - Misinformation and Its Impact<br>
Exploration of how misinformation spreads and its relationship with the lack of trust.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - The Role of Critical Thinking<br>
The importance of critical thinking in discerning truth in the age of misinformation.</p>
<p>00:05:30 - The Challenge of Ideologies<br>
How deeply held beliefs complicate the public relations landscape.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - The Importance of PR in Crisis Management<br>
The vital role of public relations in protecting brand reputation and managing crises.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Understanding the Role of PR Professionals<br>
Discussion on the misconceptions about public relations and the need for better understanding of the profession.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - The Value of Storytelling in PR<br>
The significance of storytelling in communicating a brand's identity and values.</p>
<p>00:10:30 - Elevating the PR Profession<br>
The need for the public relations industry to advocate for itself and improve public perception.</p>
<p>00:11:30 - The Long-Term Impact of Trust Erosion<br>
The potential long-term consequences of declining trust on organizations and society.</p>
<p>00:12:30 - Building and Maintaining Trust<br>
The importance of consistent actions and accountability in maintaining brand trust.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - The Value of Institutional Knowledge<br>
The significance of experience and institutional knowledge in the effectiveness of PR professionals.</p>
<p>00:16:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action<br>
Wrap-up of the discussion and encouragement to share the podcast and engage with the hosts.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.edelman.com/trust/2024/trust-barometer'>Edelman Trust Barometer</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://blog.notified.com/how-pr-pros-can-fight-fake-news-in-2024'>How PR Pros Can Fight Fake News in 2024</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://hbr.org/2020/05/begin-with-trust'>Everything Starts with Trust</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/disconnect-divisions-and-the-urgent-need-for-diligence-in-commmunication/'>Disconnect, Division and the Urgent Need for Diligence in Communications</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 273: Being a PR Pro in the Age of Mistrust
In this Episode
 
In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the pressing issues of declining trust in institutions and how it impacts the practice and perception of the public relations industry. 
 
The co-hosts discuss how the lack of trust has allowed for the proliferation of false narratives, making the PR professional's job more difficult and vital than ever. They emphasize the importance of PR professionals in protecting brand reputation, serving as strategic counselors, and being the crafters of the story that companies present to their audiences. The speakers call for the PR industry to do a better job of elevating the value and expertise of PR professionals, who possess crucial institutional knowledge and the ability to navigate the complex trust landscape.
 
Karen and Michelle kick off the episode with a look at the alarming decline in trust across various institutions, as highlighted by the Edelman Trust Barometer. Karen points out that this erosion of trust has led to a fragmented reality where individuals cling to beliefs that align with their perceptions, often disregarding factual information. This phenomenon is exacerbated by the rise of misinformation, which has become rampant in our digital age. The discussion explores how the internet, while a powerful tool for communication, has also created a level playing field for the spread of both truth and falsehoods.
 
PR professionals recognize the critical importance of their role in combating misinformation and maintaining brand trust. The work of PR pros goes beyond simply securing media placements; they are the storytellers who shape how organizations present themselves to the world. However, the hosts acknowledge the challenges faced in educating clients and the public about the true value of public relations.
 
Throughout the episode, Karen and Michielle  highlight the necessity of having skilled communicators who can navigate crises and manage brand reputation. We stress that the decisions made today will have long-lasting effects, and without a strong PR strategy, organizations risk losing the trust of their audiences, including their own employees.
 
Karen and Michelle  reflect on the unique expertise that comes from years of experience in the field. They advocate for the need to elevate the perception of the PR profession and ensure that our voices are heard. Listeners are encouraged  to share their thoughts and questions, and reminded of the vital role they play in shaping narratives and fostering trust in an increasingly complex world.

Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo LifeWelcome and introduction of hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.
00:01:00 - The Decline of Trust in InstitutionsDiscussion on the decreasing trust in organizations and institutions over the past decade.
00:02:30 - Misinformation and Its ImpactExploration of how misinformation spreads and its relationship with the lack of trust.
00:04:00 - The Role of Critical ThinkingThe importance of critical thinking in discerning truth in the age of misinformation.
00:05:30 - The Challenge of IdeologiesHow deeply held beliefs complicate the public relations landscape.
00:06:30 - The Importance of PR in Crisis ManagementThe vital role of public relations in protecting brand reputation and managing crises.
00:08:00 - Understanding the Role of PR ProfessionalsDiscussion on the misconceptions about public relations and the need for better understanding of the profession.
00:09:30 - The Value of Storytelling in PRThe significance of storytelling in communicating a brand's identity and values.
00:10:30 - Elevating the PR ProfessionThe need for the public relations industry to advocate for itself and improve public perception.
00:11:30 - The Long-Term Impact of Trust ErosionThe potential long-term consequences of declining trust on organizations and society.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 272: Finding Balance: How Hobbies Enhance Professional Life with Paula MacDonald
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life , we had the pleasure of welcoming Paula MacDonald, a dynamic solo PR practitioner with a fascinating background in film production and technical theater. As the Principal Consultant of ImageSuite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula has successfully transitioned from an aspiring student filmmaker to a creative force in the public relations industry. Her unique storytelling skills, honed at the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, allow her to serve a diverse range of clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture.</p>
<p>During our conversation, Paula shared her inspiring journey and how her unconventional path has enriched her career in PR. We discussed the importance of diverse backgrounds in the field and how they can enhance creativity and adaptability. Paula also highlighted her involvement in the APR program, emphasizing how it provides a valuable framework for PR professionals looking to develop their careers.</p>
<p>One of the most exciting parts of our discussion was Paula's newfound passion for skateboarding, which she embraced after watching Tony Hawk's documentary. She candidly shared her experience of overcoming fears and self-limiting beliefs as she learned to skateboard as an adult. Paula's journey into this thrilling hobby not only brought her joy but also helped her manage anxiety and connect with a new community.</p>
<p>We explored how Paula's skateboarding hobby has influenced her professional life, encouraging her to take measured risks and embrace new challenges. She emphasized the importance of hobbies for personal growth and mental well-being, reminding us that pursuing interests outside of work can lead to greater creativity and clarity in our professional endeavors.</p>
<p>In addition to her skateboarding journey, Paula discussed her commitment to addressing gender inequity in the sport. She founded a nonprofit organization called Girls Skate Inc., aimed at bringing more girls and women into skateboarding. Through organizing events at the Skate Park of Tampa, Paula has successfully created a supportive community that fosters friendships and encourages participation among women of all ages.</p>
<p>As we wrapped up the episode, Paula shared her future aspirations, including her interest in puppetry and how she plans to combine her passions for skateboarding and early childhood education. Her enthusiasm and dedication to making a difference are truly inspiring.</p>
<p>This episode is a reminder that it's never too late to pursue new interests and that our hobbies can significantly enrich our lives, both personally and professionally. We encourage our listeners to embrace their passions and explore the possibilities that come with stepping outside their comfort zones.</p>
<p>Join us for this uplifting conversation with Paula MacDonald, and be inspired to take on new challenges in your own life!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>About Paula MacDonald</p>
<p>Paula MacDonald's journey from aspiring student filmmaker to solo PR practitioner is a story of adaptability and creativity. With a background in technical theatre and a degree in film production from the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, Paula brings a unique perspective of visual communication and storytelling to her PR work.</p>
<p>As the principal consultant of Image Suite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula leverages her storytelling skills to serve clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture. Her leadership in PRSA, both at the chapter level and nationally, underscores her commitment to the public relations industry and to independent practitioners.</p>
<p>You can connect with Paula on <a href='https://imagesuitepr.com/'>her website</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulamacdonald/'>LinkedIn</a>. Follow Girls-Sk8 <a href='https://girls-sk8.com/'>online</a> or <a href='https://www.instagram.com/girls.sk8.fl/'>Instagram</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast
00:00:13 - Meet Paula MacDonald
00:00:46 - From Film Production to PR
00:02:40 - The Value of Diverse Backgrounds in PR
00:04:00 - The APR Program and Its Benefits
00:04:32 - Paula's New Hobby: Skateboarding
00:05:43 - Overcoming Fear in Pursuing Hobbies
00:08:04 - Connecting Hobbies to Professional Growth
00:10:02 - The Importance of Hobbies for Wellbeing
00:12:23 - Future Aspirations in Skateboarding
00:12:49 - Combining Passions: Skateboarding and Puppetry
00:14:31 - Addressing Gender Inequity in Skateboarding
00:15:52 - Launching Girls Skate Inc.
00:16:51 - Community Impact and Events
00:18:40 - The Benefits of Trying New Things
00:20:32 - Advice for Embracing Hobbies
00:22:13 - Connecting with Paula MacDonald
00:23:41 - Closing Thoughts and Future Plans</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://girls-sk8.com/'>Girls Sk8</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhmW_etP38'>Tony Hawk Documentary</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/c-mon-get-happy-episode-123/'>Advice from a Happiness Coach</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Paula MacDonald!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Paula MacDonald please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulamacdonald/'>LinkedIn</a>!</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 272: Finding Balance: How Hobbies Enhance Professional Life with Paula MacDonald
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em> , we had the pleasure of welcoming Paula MacDonald, a dynamic solo PR practitioner with a fascinating background in film production and technical theater. As the Principal Consultant of ImageSuite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula has successfully transitioned from an aspiring student filmmaker to a creative force in the public relations industry. Her unique storytelling skills, honed at the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, allow her to serve a diverse range of clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture.</p>
<p>During our conversation, Paula shared her inspiring journey and how her unconventional path has enriched her career in PR. We discussed the importance of diverse backgrounds in the field and how they can enhance creativity and adaptability. Paula also highlighted her involvement in the APR program, emphasizing how it provides a valuable framework for PR professionals looking to develop their careers.</p>
<p>One of the most exciting parts of our discussion was Paula's newfound passion for skateboarding, which she embraced after watching Tony Hawk's documentary. She candidly shared her experience of overcoming fears and self-limiting beliefs as she learned to skateboard as an adult. Paula's journey into this thrilling hobby not only brought her joy but also helped her manage anxiety and connect with a new community.</p>
<p>We explored how Paula's skateboarding hobby has influenced her professional life, encouraging her to take measured risks and embrace new challenges. She emphasized the importance of hobbies for personal growth and mental well-being, reminding us that pursuing interests outside of work can lead to greater creativity and clarity in our professional endeavors.</p>
<p>In addition to her skateboarding journey, Paula discussed her commitment to addressing gender inequity in the sport. She founded a nonprofit organization called Girls Skate Inc., aimed at bringing more girls and women into skateboarding. Through organizing events at the Skate Park of Tampa, Paula has successfully created a supportive community that fosters friendships and encourages participation among women of all ages.</p>
<p>As we wrapped up the episode, Paula shared her future aspirations, including her interest in puppetry and how she plans to combine her passions for skateboarding and early childhood education. Her enthusiasm and dedication to making a difference are truly inspiring.</p>
<p>This episode is a reminder that it's never too late to pursue new interests and that our hobbies can significantly enrich our lives, both personally and professionally. We encourage our listeners to embrace their passions and explore the possibilities that come with stepping outside their comfort zones.</p>
<p>Join us for this uplifting conversation with Paula MacDonald, and be inspired to take on new challenges in your own life!</p>
<p> </p>
<p>About Paula MacDonald</p>
<p>Paula MacDonald's journey from aspiring student filmmaker to solo PR practitioner is a story of adaptability and creativity. With a background in technical theatre and a degree in film production from the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, Paula brings a unique perspective of visual communication and storytelling to her PR work.</p>
<p>As the principal consultant of Image Suite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula leverages her storytelling skills to serve clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture. Her leadership in PRSA, both at the chapter level and nationally, underscores her commitment to the public relations industry and to independent practitioners.</p>
<p>You can connect with Paula on <a href='https://imagesuitepr.com/'>her website</a>, <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulamacdonald/'>LinkedIn</a>. Follow Girls-Sk8 <a href='https://girls-sk8.com/'>online</a> or <a href='https://www.instagram.com/girls.sk8.fl/'>Instagram</a>.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life Podcast<br>
00:00:13 - Meet Paula MacDonald<br>
00:00:46 - From Film Production to PR<br>
00:02:40 - The Value of Diverse Backgrounds in PR<br>
00:04:00 - The APR Program and Its Benefits<br>
00:04:32 - Paula's New Hobby: Skateboarding<br>
00:05:43 - Overcoming Fear in Pursuing Hobbies<br>
00:08:04 - Connecting Hobbies to Professional Growth<br>
00:10:02 - The Importance of Hobbies for Wellbeing<br>
00:12:23 - Future Aspirations in Skateboarding<br>
00:12:49 - Combining Passions: Skateboarding and Puppetry<br>
00:14:31 - Addressing Gender Inequity in Skateboarding<br>
00:15:52 - Launching Girls Skate Inc.<br>
00:16:51 - Community Impact and Events<br>
00:18:40 - The Benefits of Trying New Things<br>
00:20:32 - Advice for Embracing Hobbies<br>
00:22:13 - Connecting with Paula MacDonald<br>
00:23:41 - Closing Thoughts and Future Plans</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://girls-sk8.com/'>Girls Sk8</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqhmW_etP38'>Tony Hawk Documentary</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/c-mon-get-happy-episode-123/'>Advice from a Happiness Coach</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Say Thanks to Paula MacDonald!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Paula MacDonald please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/paulamacdonald/'>LinkedIn</a>!</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 272: Finding Balance: How Hobbies Enhance Professional Life with Paula MacDonald
In this Episode
In this episode of That Solo Life , we had the pleasure of welcoming Paula MacDonald, a dynamic solo PR practitioner with a fascinating background in film production and technical theater. As the Principal Consultant of ImageSuite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula has successfully transitioned from an aspiring student filmmaker to a creative force in the public relations industry. Her unique storytelling skills, honed at the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, allow her to serve a diverse range of clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture.
During our conversation, Paula shared her inspiring journey and how her unconventional path has enriched her career in PR. We discussed the importance of diverse backgrounds in the field and how they can enhance creativity and adaptability. Paula also highlighted her involvement in the APR program, emphasizing how it provides a valuable framework for PR professionals looking to develop their careers.
One of the most exciting parts of our discussion was Paula's newfound passion for skateboarding, which she embraced after watching Tony Hawk's documentary. She candidly shared her experience of overcoming fears and self-limiting beliefs as she learned to skateboard as an adult. Paula's journey into this thrilling hobby not only brought her joy but also helped her manage anxiety and connect with a new community.
We explored how Paula's skateboarding hobby has influenced her professional life, encouraging her to take measured risks and embrace new challenges. She emphasized the importance of hobbies for personal growth and mental well-being, reminding us that pursuing interests outside of work can lead to greater creativity and clarity in our professional endeavors.
In addition to her skateboarding journey, Paula discussed her commitment to addressing gender inequity in the sport. She founded a nonprofit organization called Girls Skate Inc., aimed at bringing more girls and women into skateboarding. Through organizing events at the Skate Park of Tampa, Paula has successfully created a supportive community that fosters friendships and encourages participation among women of all ages.
As we wrapped up the episode, Paula shared her future aspirations, including her interest in puppetry and how she plans to combine her passions for skateboarding and early childhood education. Her enthusiasm and dedication to making a difference are truly inspiring.
This episode is a reminder that it's never too late to pursue new interests and that our hobbies can significantly enrich our lives, both personally and professionally. We encourage our listeners to embrace their passions and explore the possibilities that come with stepping outside their comfort zones.
Join us for this uplifting conversation with Paula MacDonald, and be inspired to take on new challenges in your own life!
 
About Paula MacDonald
Paula MacDonald's journey from aspiring student filmmaker to solo PR practitioner is a story of adaptability and creativity. With a background in technical theatre and a degree in film production from the prestigious USC School of Cinematic Arts, Paula brings a unique perspective of visual communication and storytelling to her PR work.
As the principal consultant of Image Suite PR in St. Petersburg, Florida, Paula leverages her storytelling skills to serve clients in professional services, hospitality, sports, and agriculture. Her leadership in PRSA, both at the chapter level and nationally, underscores her commitment to the public relations industry and to independent practitioners.
You can connect with Paula on her website, LinkedIn. Follow Girls-Sk8 online or Instagram.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 271: Why and How to Raise Your Solo PR Rates
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life  co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome back one of their favorite guests, Chip Griffin, from the Small Agency Growth Alliance. The episode centers around a crucial topic for PR professionals and marketers who work independently: raising rates.</p>
<p>We kick off the discussion by acknowledging a common challenge faced by solos and small agencies—undercharging for their services. Chip emphasizes that most professionals in this space undervalue their work and are often hesitant to ask for what they’re truly worth. He encourages listeners to consider raising their rates, asserting that the majority of solos are not charging enough.</p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to the mechanics of how to implement a rate increase without alienating existing clients. Chip shares that it’s essential to communicate any changes thoughtfully and to avoid abrupt or insignificant increases. Instead of small, incremental adjustments, he advocates for meaningful rate hikes that reflect the true value of the services provided.</p>
<p>Karen adds her insights, highlighting the importance of raising rates for new clients while also addressing the sensitive issue of existing clients. She suggests incorporating rate increases into year-end business reviews, where professionals can present a comprehensive look at past performance and future plans. This approach not only justifies the increase but also positions the professional as a strategic partner rather than just a vendor.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we discuss the importance of understanding one’s value and the need to think like a business owner rather than an employee. Chip points out that many solos treat their expenses like an employee would, failing to account for overhead and the true costs of doing business. He encourages listeners to adopt a value-based pricing model, which allows them to charge based on the expertise and results they deliver rather than just hourly rates.</p>
<p>As the conversation progresses, we touch on the significance of maintaining a healthy client mix and the necessity of ongoing business development. Chip reminds us that it’s vital to regularly assess our client relationships and to be proactive in seeking out higher-paying clients. He also warns against the pitfalls of complacency, urging listeners to avoid falling into autopilot mode with their client engagements.</p>
<p>In closing, we emphasize the importance of clear communication with clients regarding rate increases and the need to approach these discussions with confidence and strategy. Chip shares valuable resources available on his website, smallagencygrowth.com, encouraging listeners to seek help and not navigate their business challenges alone.</p>
<p>This episode is packed with actionable advice and insights that will inspire PR pros and marketers to evaluate their pricing strategies and take charge of their business growth. We hope you enjoy this enlightening conversation and feel empowered to raise your rates smartly and effectively!</p>
<p>About Chip Griffin</p>
<p>Chip Griffin is the Founder &amp; CEO of Small Agency Growth Alliance (SAGA). He is a serial entrepreneur with a track record of building businesses that serve the PR and marketing community.</p>
<p>Chip helps small PR and marketing agency owners build businesses that they want to own. He works with them to grow profits, eliminate overwork, and improve their overall satisfaction.</p>
<p>As an experienced entrepreneur and agency owner himself, Chip shares the wisdom of his successes and the lessons from his failures. He understands the challenges and opportunities that face agency owners because he sat in the same chair and faced similar decisions. </p>
<p>You can email Chip at chip@chipgriffin.com if you’d like to talk.</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Raising Rates Join Michelle, Karen, and guest Chip Griffin as they introduce the topic of raising rates for PR pros and marketers.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of Valuing Your Work Chip discusses how many solos and small agencies undervalue their services and the need to raise rates.</p>
<p>00:02:00 - Strategies for Raising Rates Exploration of effective ways to raise rates without alienating clients, including communication strategies.</p>
<p>00:03:30 - New Clients vs. Existing Clients Karen emphasizes the importance of charging new clients higher rates and the challenges of raising rates for current clients.</p>
<p>00:05:00 - Understanding Your Value Discussion on determining your worth and setting rates based on desired income and expenses.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - Stop Thinking Like an Employee Chip advises against treating rate increases like salary raises and encourages a business mindset.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Avoiding Small Increments The pitfalls of small, incremental price increases and the importance of making meaningful adjustments.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Value-Based Pricing The benefits of value-based pricing over hourly rates and the importance of tracking effective hourly rates.</p>
<p>00:11:00 - Annual Business Reviews Karen shares her approach to incorporating rate increases into year-end business reviews for clients.</p>
<p>00:13:30 - Strategic Planning for Price Increases The advantages of presenting a new plan and budget to clients when discussing rate increases.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Communication is Key The importance of clear communication with clients regarding rate increases and avoiding surprises.</p>
<p>00:17:00 - Assessing Client Relationships Chip discusses the need to evaluate client relationships and the risks of raising rates on certain clients.</p>
<p>00:19:00 - Client Mix and Profitability The significance of maintaining a balanced client mix and focusing on profitability rather than just revenue.</p>
<p>00:21:00 - The Importance of Business Development Encouragement to continuously seek new clients and opportunities to ensure business growth.</p>
<p>00:23:00 - Final Thoughts on Rate Increases Chip and Karen summarize the key takeaways on raising rates and the mindset needed for successful business management.</p>
<p>00:25:00 - Resources and Closing Remarks Chip shares where to find more resources and advice, and the hosts express gratitude for his insights.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-set-rates-as-a-solo/'>Best Practices for Raising Rates</a> (Solo PR Pro)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/aha/'>Agency Health Assessment </a>(SAGA)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Chip Griffin!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Chip Griffin please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 271: Why and How to Raise Your Solo PR Rates
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>  co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane welcome back one of their favorite guests, Chip Griffin, from the Small Agency Growth Alliance. The episode centers around a crucial topic for PR professionals and marketers who work independently: raising rates.</p>
<p>We kick off the discussion by acknowledging a common challenge faced by solos and small agencies—undercharging for their services. Chip emphasizes that most professionals in this space undervalue their work and are often hesitant to ask for what they’re truly worth. He encourages listeners to consider raising their rates, asserting that the majority of solos are not charging enough.</p>
<p>The conversation then shifts to the mechanics of how to implement a rate increase without alienating existing clients. Chip shares that it’s essential to communicate any changes thoughtfully and to avoid abrupt or insignificant increases. Instead of small, incremental adjustments, he advocates for meaningful rate hikes that reflect the true value of the services provided.</p>
<p>Karen adds her insights, highlighting the importance of raising rates for new clients while also addressing the sensitive issue of existing clients. She suggests incorporating rate increases into year-end business reviews, where professionals can present a comprehensive look at past performance and future plans. This approach not only justifies the increase but also positions the professional as a strategic partner rather than just a vendor.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we discuss the importance of understanding one’s value and the need to think like a business owner rather than an employee. Chip points out that many solos treat their expenses like an employee would, failing to account for overhead and the true costs of doing business. He encourages listeners to adopt a value-based pricing model, which allows them to charge based on the expertise and results they deliver rather than just hourly rates.</p>
<p>As the conversation progresses, we touch on the significance of maintaining a healthy client mix and the necessity of ongoing business development. Chip reminds us that it’s vital to regularly assess our client relationships and to be proactive in seeking out higher-paying clients. He also warns against the pitfalls of complacency, urging listeners to avoid falling into autopilot mode with their client engagements.</p>
<p>In closing, we emphasize the importance of clear communication with clients regarding rate increases and the need to approach these discussions with confidence and strategy. Chip shares valuable resources available on his website, smallagencygrowth.com, encouraging listeners to seek help and not navigate their business challenges alone.</p>
<p>This episode is packed with actionable advice and insights that will inspire PR pros and marketers to evaluate their pricing strategies and take charge of their business growth. We hope you enjoy this enlightening conversation and feel empowered to raise your rates smartly and effectively!</p>
<p>About Chip Griffin</p>
<p>Chip Griffin is the Founder &amp; CEO of Small Agency Growth Alliance (SAGA). He is a serial entrepreneur with a track record of building businesses that serve the PR and marketing community.</p>
<p>Chip helps small PR and marketing agency owners build businesses that they want to own. He works with them to grow profits, eliminate overwork, and improve their overall satisfaction.</p>
<p>As an experienced entrepreneur and agency owner himself, Chip shares the wisdom of his successes and the lessons from his failures. He understands the challenges and opportunities that face agency owners because he sat in the same chair and faced similar decisions. </p>
<p>You can email Chip at chip@chipgriffin.com if you’d like to talk.</p>
Episode Timeline
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Raising Rates Join Michelle, Karen, and guest Chip Griffin as they introduce the topic of raising rates for PR pros and marketers.</p>
<p>00:01:00 - The Importance of Valuing Your Work Chip discusses how many solos and small agencies undervalue their services and the need to raise rates.</p>
<p>00:02:00 - Strategies for Raising Rates Exploration of effective ways to raise rates without alienating clients, including communication strategies.</p>
<p>00:03:30 - New Clients vs. Existing Clients Karen emphasizes the importance of charging new clients higher rates and the challenges of raising rates for current clients.</p>
<p>00:05:00 - Understanding Your Value Discussion on determining your worth and setting rates based on desired income and expenses.</p>
<p>00:06:30 - Stop Thinking Like an Employee Chip advises against treating rate increases like salary raises and encourages a business mindset.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Avoiding Small Increments The pitfalls of small, incremental price increases and the importance of making meaningful adjustments.</p>
<p>00:09:30 - Value-Based Pricing The benefits of value-based pricing over hourly rates and the importance of tracking effective hourly rates.</p>
<p>00:11:00 - Annual Business Reviews Karen shares her approach to incorporating rate increases into year-end business reviews for clients.</p>
<p>00:13:30 - Strategic Planning for Price Increases The advantages of presenting a new plan and budget to clients when discussing rate increases.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Communication is Key The importance of clear communication with clients regarding rate increases and avoiding surprises.</p>
<p>00:17:00 - Assessing Client Relationships Chip discusses the need to evaluate client relationships and the risks of raising rates on certain clients.</p>
<p>00:19:00 - Client Mix and Profitability The significance of maintaining a balanced client mix and focusing on profitability rather than just revenue.</p>
<p>00:21:00 - The Importance of Business Development Encouragement to continuously seek new clients and opportunities to ensure business growth.</p>
<p>00:23:00 - Final Thoughts on Rate Increases Chip and Karen summarize the key takeaways on raising rates and the mindset needed for successful business management.</p>
<p>00:25:00 - Resources and Closing Remarks Chip shares where to find more resources and advice, and the hosts express gratitude for his insights.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-set-rates-as-a-solo/'>Best Practices for Raising Rates</a> (Solo PR Pro)</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/aha/'>Agency Health Assessment </a>(SAGA)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Say Thanks to Chip Griffin!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Chip Griffin please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/chipgriffin/'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 270: Why We Need Truth Over Politics in a Crisis
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Recorded in the aftermath of Hurricane, this episode of "That Solo Life" podcast looks at the issue of misinformation in the wake of a crisis. Hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  examine the real world impact of mis-, mal- and disinformation during a regional crisis.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts emphasize the need to avoid misinformation and politicization during such crises. They also emphasize the importance of having a decision framework in place to help clients navigate appropriate responses and avoid opportunistic behavior. The discussion underscores the role of PR professionals in informing the public, educating on discerning fact from fiction, and mobilizing practical assistance for those in need.</p>
<p>The discussion examines the rampant misinformation that often surfaces during crises, stressing. the need for accurate information  Karen and Michelle assert that a human crisis should not be politicized.</p>
<p>The importance of providing factual support to those in need rather than engaging in political games or spreading false narratives is stressed. </p>
<p>Listeners are reminded of the importance of being a reliable source of information and support during crises. We encourage PR pros to step up, educate the public, and focus on helping those in need. We express our gratitude to our listeners for their dedication to the profession and invite them to share their thoughts and feedback.</p>
<p>Join us as we navigate these critical conversations and strive to uplift our communities in times of need. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Acknowledgment of Hurricane Helene
The hosts introduce themselves and express their support for those affected by Hurricane Helene.</p>
<p>00:01:10 - Support for PR Pros Affected by the Hurricane
Discussion on the importance of community support for PR professionals impacted by the disaster.</p>
<p>00:02:11 - Addressing Misinformation During Crises
The hosts emphasize the need to combat myths and disinformation during crises, highlighting the importance of accurate information.</p>
<p>00:03:53 - The Importance of Truth in Communication
A conversation about the erosion of trust in institutions and the necessity of truthful communication in PR.</p>
<p>00:05:22 - The Role of PR Professionals in Educating the Public
Discussion on how PR pros can help the public discern fact from fiction and find reliable resources.</p>
<p>00:06:27 - Disasters Are Not PR Opportunities
The hosts express their frustration with brands leveraging disasters for marketing purposes.</p>
<p>00:07:35 - Humanitarian Focus Over Marketing
A call to action for organizations to focus on genuine help rather than opportunistic marketing during crises.</p>
<p>00:09:32 - The Need for a Decision Framework in PR
The importance of having a decision-making framework to guide clients in responding to crises appropriately.</p>
<p>00:12:14 - The Role of PR Professionals as Safety Patrols
The hosts liken their role to that of safety patrols, emphasizing their responsibility to guide clients through challenging situations.</p>
<p>00:13:01 - Conclusion and Call to Action
Wrapping up the episode with encouragement for PR pros and a reminder to share the podcast and provide feedback.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: <a href='https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/10/fema-helene-milton-disaster-rumors-misinformation-750-dollars-why?lang=en'>Disaster-Related Misinformation Isn’t Unique to Helene and Milton</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Institute for Strategic Dialogue: <a href='https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/hurricane-helene-brews-up-storm-of-online-falsehoods-and-threats/'>Hurricane Helene brews up storm of online falsehoods and threats</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">FEMA.gov: <a href='https://www.fema.gov/blog/addressing-hurricane-helene-rumors-and-scams'>Addressing Hurricane Helene Rumors and Scams</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 270: Why We Need Truth Over Politics in a Crisis
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Recorded in the aftermath of Hurricane, this episode of "That Solo Life" podcast looks at the issue of misinformation in the wake of a crisis. Hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  examine the real world impact of mis-, mal- and disinformation during a regional crisis.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts emphasize the need to avoid misinformation and politicization during such crises. They also emphasize the importance of having a decision framework in place to help clients navigate appropriate responses and avoid opportunistic behavior. The discussion underscores the role of PR professionals in informing the public, educating on discerning fact from fiction, and mobilizing practical assistance for those in need.</p>
<p>The discussion examines the rampant misinformation that often surfaces during crises, stressing. the need for accurate information  Karen and Michelle assert that a human crisis should not be politicized.</p>
<p>The importance of providing factual support to those in need rather than engaging in political games or spreading false narratives is stressed. </p>
<p>Listeners are reminded of the importance of being a reliable source of information and support during crises. We encourage PR pros to step up, educate the public, and focus on helping those in need. We express our gratitude to our listeners for their dedication to the profession and invite them to share their thoughts and feedback.</p>
<p>Join us as we navigate these critical conversations and strive to uplift our communities in times of need. Thank you for tuning in to <em>That Solo Life</em>!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Acknowledgment of Hurricane Helene<br>
The hosts introduce themselves and express their support for those affected by Hurricane Helene.</p>
<p>00:01:10 - Support for PR Pros Affected by the Hurricane<br>
Discussion on the importance of community support for PR professionals impacted by the disaster.</p>
<p>00:02:11 - Addressing Misinformation During Crises<br>
The hosts emphasize the need to combat myths and disinformation during crises, highlighting the importance of accurate information.</p>
<p>00:03:53 - The Importance of Truth in Communication<br>
A conversation about the erosion of trust in institutions and the necessity of truthful communication in PR.</p>
<p>00:05:22 - The Role of PR Professionals in Educating the Public<br>
Discussion on how PR pros can help the public discern fact from fiction and find reliable resources.</p>
<p>00:06:27 - Disasters Are Not PR Opportunities<br>
The hosts express their frustration with brands leveraging disasters for marketing purposes.</p>
<p>00:07:35 - Humanitarian Focus Over Marketing<br>
A call to action for organizations to focus on genuine help rather than opportunistic marketing during crises.</p>
<p>00:09:32 - The Need for a Decision Framework in PR<br>
The importance of having a decision-making framework to guide clients in responding to crises appropriately.</p>
<p>00:12:14 - The Role of PR Professionals as Safety Patrols<br>
The hosts liken their role to that of safety patrols, emphasizing their responsibility to guide clients through challenging situations.</p>
<p>00:13:01 - Conclusion and Call to Action<br>
Wrapping up the episode with encouragement for PR pros and a reminder to share the podcast and provide feedback.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: <a href='https://carnegieendowment.org/posts/2024/10/fema-helene-milton-disaster-rumors-misinformation-750-dollars-why?lang=en'>Disaster-Related Misinformation Isn’t Unique to Helene and Milton</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Institute for Strategic Dialogue: <a href='https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/hurricane-helene-brews-up-storm-of-online-falsehoods-and-threats/'>Hurricane Helene brews up storm of online falsehoods and threats</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">FEMA.gov: <a href='https://www.fema.gov/blog/addressing-hurricane-helene-rumors-and-scams'>Addressing Hurricane Helene Rumors and Scams</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In this Episode
 
Recorded in the aftermath of Hurricane, this episode of "That Solo Life" podcast looks at the issue of misinformation in the wake of a crisis. Hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  examine the real world impact of mis-, mal- and disinformation during a regional crisis.
 
The hosts emphasize the need to avoid misinformation and politicization during such crises. They also emphasize the importance of having a decision framework in place to help clients navigate appropriate responses and avoid opportunistic behavior. The discussion underscores the role of PR professionals in informing the public, educating on discerning fact from fiction, and mobilizing practical assistance for those in need.
The discussion examines the rampant misinformation that often surfaces during crises, stressing. the need for accurate information  Karen and Michelle assert that a human crisis should not be politicized.
The importance of providing factual support to those in need rather than engaging in political games or spreading false narratives is stressed. 
Listeners are reminded of the importance of being a reliable source of information and support during crises. We encourage PR pros to step up, educate the public, and focus on helping those in need. We express our gratitude to our listeners for their dedication to the profession and invite them to share their thoughts and feedback.
Join us as we navigate these critical conversations and strive to uplift our communities in times of need. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!
Episode Timeline:
00:00:00 - Introduction and Acknowledgment of Hurricane HeleneThe hosts introduce themselves and express their support for those affected by Hurricane Helene.
00:01:10 - Support for PR Pros Affected by the HurricaneDiscussion on the importance of community support for PR professionals impacted by the disaster.
00:02:11 - Addressing Misinformation During CrisesThe hosts emphasize the need to combat myths and disinformation during crises, highlighting the importance of accurate information.
00:03:53 - The Importance of Truth in CommunicationA conversation about the erosion of trust in institutions and the necessity of truthful communication in PR.
00:05:22 - The Role of PR Professionals in Educating the PublicDiscussion on how PR pros can help the public discern fact from fiction and find reliable resources.
00:06:27 - Disasters Are Not PR OpportunitiesThe hosts express their frustration with brands leveraging disasters for marketing purposes.
00:07:35 - Humanitarian Focus Over MarketingA call to action for organizations to focus on genuine help rather than opportunistic marketing during crises.
00:09:32 - The Need for a Decision Framework in PRThe importance of having a decision-making framework to guide clients in responding to crises appropriately.
00:12:14 - The Role of PR Professionals as Safety PatrolsThe hosts liken their role to that of safety patrols, emphasizing their responsibility to guide clients through challenging situations.
00:13:01 - Conclusion and Call to ActionWrapping up the episode with encouragement for PR pros and a reminder to share the podcast and provide feedback.
Resources:
Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: Disaster-Related Misinformation Isn’t Unique to Helene and Milton
Institute for Strategic Dialogue: Hurricane Helene brews up storm of online falsehoods and threats
FEMA.gov: Addressing Hurricane Helene Rumors and Scams
Enjoyed the episode? 
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 269: Cheesy Lessons In Crisis Management From A Viral Mishap
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In episode 269 of “That Solo Life” podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the viral video of a customer receiving a mac and cheese order without the macaroni, and how the business handled the situation by responding with a humorous TikTok video. The hosts highlight the important lessons for PR and marketing professionals, including the value of social media monitoring and responding appropriately to negative sentiment. They also emphasize the importance of clear internal communication and ensuring employees understand the products and services they are representing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The episode explores the importance of effective communication in the face of unexpected challenges. The hosts explore lessons from the brand’s quick response which was genuine and cheeky </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle talk about  the significance of having a strong social media presence and the necessity of listening tools to monitor brand mentions and customer sentiment. They discuss how brands can miss opportunities to engage with their audience, especially when positive feedback is shared. By actively listening and responding, businesses can foster a sense of community and connection with their customers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts also touch on the internal communication lessons that can be learned from the incident, highlighting the importance of clarity in messaging. We share anecdotes about the need for employees to fully understand the products or services they represent, ensuring they can effectively communicate with customers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the value of effective communication, both internally and externally, and to consider how they can apply these lessons in their own practices. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Welcome to That Solo Life
Introduction to the podcast and hosts, Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:21 - Hello Fall!
Discussion about the arrival of fall and the changing seasons.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:47 - The Mac and Cheese Mishap
Introduction to the viral clip of a woman receiving an incomplete mac and cheese order.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:01:49 - Lessons in Crisis Communication
Exploring the business response to the viral video and its implications for PR and marketing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:02:54 - Engaging on Social Media
The importance of responding on the same platforms where negative sentiment arises.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:04:16 - Investing in Listening Tools</p>
<p>The necessity of social media listening tools for brands to monitor sentiment.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:05:52 - Understanding Client Needs
Discussing the importance of educating clients about the value of listening tools.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:07:32 - Community Engagement
The benefits of local businesses engaging with their community on social media.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:08:27 - Challenges for Smaller Brands
Addressing the struggles smaller brands face in monitoring their online presence.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:09:24 - The Importance of Clear Communication
Highlighting the need for clarity in both internal and external communications.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:10:10 - Responding with Humor
The effectiveness of a light-hearted response to customer complaints.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:12:26 - Internal Communication Lessons
The importance of ensuring all employees understand menu items and services.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:15:12 - Employee Training and Experience
The necessity for employees to have firsthand experience with products and services.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:17:08 - Closing Thoughts
Encouragement to enjoy mac and cheese and a reminder to share the podcast.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li>
PR News Online: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/lessons-in-digital-crisis-communications-from-the-california-pizza-kitchen-incident/'>Lessons in Digital Crisis Communications from the California Pizza Kitchen Incident</a>
</li>
</ul>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">USA Today: <a href='https://www.today.com/food/news/california-pizza-kitchen-mac-and-cheese-deal-rcna163121'>California Pizza Kitchen offers chain-wide mac and cheese deal after viral order blunder</a> (Includes customer TikTok Video)</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 269: Cheesy Lessons In Crisis Management From A Viral Mishap
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In episode 269 of “That Solo Life” podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the viral video of a customer receiving a mac and cheese order without the macaroni, and how the business handled the situation by responding with a humorous TikTok video. The hosts highlight the important lessons for PR and marketing professionals, including the value of social media monitoring and responding appropriately to negative sentiment. They also emphasize the importance of clear internal communication and ensuring employees understand the products and services they are representing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The episode explores the importance of effective communication in the face of unexpected challenges. The hosts explore lessons from the brand’s quick response which was genuine and cheeky </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen and Michelle talk about  the significance of having a strong social media presence and the necessity of listening tools to monitor brand mentions and customer sentiment. They discuss how brands can miss opportunities to engage with their audience, especially when positive feedback is shared. By actively listening and responding, businesses can foster a sense of community and connection with their customers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The hosts also touch on the internal communication lessons that can be learned from the incident, highlighting the importance of clarity in messaging. We share anecdotes about the need for employees to fully understand the products or services they represent, ensuring they can effectively communicate with customers.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the value of effective communication, both internally and externally, and to consider how they can apply these lessons in their own practices. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Welcome to That Solo Life<br>
Introduction to the podcast and hosts, Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:21 - Hello Fall!<br>
Discussion about the arrival of fall and the changing seasons.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:47 - The Mac and Cheese Mishap<br>
Introduction to the viral clip of a woman receiving an incomplete mac and cheese order.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:01:49 - Lessons in Crisis Communication<br>
Exploring the business response to the viral video and its implications for PR and marketing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:02:54 - Engaging on Social Media<br>
The importance of responding on the same platforms where negative sentiment arises.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:04:16 - Investing in Listening Tools</p>
<p>The necessity of social media listening tools for brands to monitor sentiment.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:05:52 - Understanding Client Needs<br>
Discussing the importance of educating clients about the value of listening tools.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:07:32 - Community Engagement<br>
The benefits of local businesses engaging with their community on social media.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:08:27 - Challenges for Smaller Brands<br>
Addressing the struggles smaller brands face in monitoring their online presence.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:09:24 - The Importance of Clear Communication<br>
Highlighting the need for clarity in both internal and external communications.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:10:10 - Responding with Humor<br>
The effectiveness of a light-hearted response to customer complaints.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:12:26 - Internal Communication Lessons<br>
The importance of ensuring all employees understand menu items and services.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:15:12 - Employee Training and Experience<br>
The necessity for employees to have firsthand experience with products and services.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:17:08 - Closing Thoughts<br>
Encouragement to enjoy mac and cheese and a reminder to share the podcast.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li>
PR News Online: <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/lessons-in-digital-crisis-communications-from-the-california-pizza-kitchen-incident/'>Lessons in Digital Crisis Communications from the California Pizza Kitchen Incident</a>
</li>
</ul>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">USA Today: <a href='https://www.today.com/food/news/california-pizza-kitchen-mac-and-cheese-deal-rcna163121'>California Pizza Kitchen offers chain-wide mac and cheese deal after viral order blunder</a> (Includes customer TikTok Video)</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 269: Cheesy Lessons In Crisis Management From A Viral Mishap
In this Episode
 
In episode 269 of “That Solo Life” podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the viral video of a customer receiving a mac and cheese order without the macaroni, and how the business handled the situation by responding with a humorous TikTok video. The hosts highlight the important lessons for PR and marketing professionals, including the value of social media monitoring and responding appropriately to negative sentiment. They also emphasize the importance of clear internal communication and ensuring employees understand the products and services they are representing.
 
The episode explores the importance of effective communication in the face of unexpected challenges. The hosts explore lessons from the brand’s quick response which was genuine and cheeky 
 
Karen and Michelle talk about  the significance of having a strong social media presence and the necessity of listening tools to monitor brand mentions and customer sentiment. They discuss how brands can miss opportunities to engage with their audience, especially when positive feedback is shared. By actively listening and responding, businesses can foster a sense of community and connection with their customers.
 
The hosts also touch on the internal communication lessons that can be learned from the incident, highlighting the importance of clarity in messaging. We share anecdotes about the need for employees to fully understand the products or services they represent, ensuring they can effectively communicate with customers.
 
Listeners are encouraged to reflect on the value of effective communication, both internally and externally, and to consider how they can apply these lessons in their own practices. 
 
Episode Timeline:
 
00:00:00 - Welcome to That Solo LifeIntroduction to the podcast and hosts, Michelle Kane and Karen Swim.
 
00:00:21 - Hello Fall!Discussion about the arrival of fall and the changing seasons.
 
00:00:47 - The Mac and Cheese MishapIntroduction to the viral clip of a woman receiving an incomplete mac and cheese order.
 
00:01:49 - Lessons in Crisis CommunicationExploring the business response to the viral video and its implications for PR and marketing.
 
00:02:54 - Engaging on Social MediaThe importance of responding on the same platforms where negative sentiment arises.
 
00:04:16 - Investing in Listening Tools
The necessity of social media listening tools for brands to monitor sentiment.
 
00:05:52 - Understanding Client NeedsDiscussing the importance of educating clients about the value of listening tools.
 
00:07:32 - Community EngagementThe benefits of local businesses engaging with their community on social media.
 
00:08:27 - Challenges for Smaller BrandsAddressing the struggles smaller brands face in monitoring their online presence.
 
00:09:24 - The Importance of Clear CommunicationHighlighting the need for clarity in both internal and external communications.
 
00:10:10 - Responding with HumorThe effectiveness of a light-hearted response to customer complaints.
 
00:12:26 - Internal Communication LessonsThe importance of ensuring all employees understand menu items and services.
 
00:15:12 - Employee Training and ExperienceThe necessity for employees to have firsthand experience with products and services.
 
00:17:08 - Closing ThoughtsEncouragement to enjoy mac and cheese and a reminder to share the podcast.
 
Resources:

PR News Online: Lessons in Digital Crisis Communications from the California Pizza Kitchen Incident

USA Today: California Pizza Kitchen offers chain-wide mac and cheese deal after viral order blunder (Includes customer TikTok Video)
 
Enjoyed the episode? 
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 268: Why Media Literacy is Crucial in an Age of Untruths
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kaen discuss the importance of media literacy and combating misinformation, particularly for public relations professionals. The hosts highlight how the rise of AI and deepfake technology has made it increasingly difficult to discern truth from fiction. They emphasize the responsibility of PR pros to educate their clients and the public on verifying information, monitoring for misuse of brand assets, and providing tools to fact-check claims. The discussion also touches on the role of social media platforms in addressing the spread of misinformation and the need for collective action by companies and organizations to curtail the problem.</p>
<p>The hosts reflect on the current media landscape, especially during an election year when the stakes are high, and the potential for misinformation is rampant. Today’s discussion highlights the responsibility we have as PR pros to not only stay informed ourselves but also to educate our clients and the public about the importance of media literacy. Misinformation can affect brands in both significant and subtle ways, and it is our duty to help our clients navigate this complex environment.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle explore practical strategies for enhancing media literacy among clients and their audiences. This includes implementing robust monitoring systems to track brand mentions and ensuring that content produced is clearly marked to establish ownership and authenticity. The discussion includes the importance of equipping the public with tools to fact-check information, such as linking to credible sources and encouraging critical thinking.</p>
<p>As Michelle and Karen delve deeper, they address the psychological aspects of how people consume information, particularly how personal beliefs can cloud judgment regarding what is considered "true" or "fake." We share anecdotes about the impact of negative reviews and misinformation on local businesses, underscoring the real-world consequences of unchecked falsehoods.</p>
<p>The conversation takes a broader turn as they advocate for a collective effort within the PR industry to combat misinformation. Karen and Michelle envision a future where every brand provides resources to help the public discern fact from fiction, ultimately fostering a more informed society. They call on social media platforms to take a more proactive role in identifying and flagging misleading content, emphasizing that doing the right thing is essential for long-term success.</p>
<p>In closing, listeners  are reminded that while the fight against misinformation can feel overwhelming, every small effort counts. PR professionals are encouraged to join this important mission, armed with their"teaspoons" and commitment to truth.</p>
<p>If you found value in our discussion, please share this episode and connect with us at soloprpro.com for more insights and past episodes. Thank you for tuning in to That Solo Life!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Media Literacy Discussion on the importance of media literacy in PR and marketing, especially during an election year.</p>
<p>00:02:00 - The Role of AI in Media Literacy Exploration of how AI advancements impact the discernment of truth and accuracy in media.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Equipping Clients and Publics Strategies for PR pros to help clients monitor their brand and educate the public on fact-checking.</p>
<p>00:06:00 - The Challenge of Misinformation Discussion on the prevalence of misinformation and the responsibility of brands to combat it.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Belief Systems and Information Consumption Analysis of how personal beliefs affect the perception of information and the importance of critical thinking.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - The Impact of Fake Reviews Examination of how fake reviews can harm brands and the need for consumers to discern authenticity.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Ethics in PR and Media The ethical implications of spreading misinformation and the responsibility of PR professionals to advocate for truth.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - The Role of Social Media Platforms Discussion on the responsibility of social media companies to combat misinformation and protect users.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement for PR pros to contribute to the fight against misinformation and promote media literacy.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Resources for PR Pros: <a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/prsa-resources/misinformation'>News Literacy Project</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tackling Ai:<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/'>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Battling Misinformation: <a href='https://www.prsa.org/article/how-pr-pros-can-help-counter-ai-s-misinformation'>How PR Pros Can Counter AI Misinformation</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 268: Why Media Literacy is Crucial in an Age of Untruths
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kaen discuss the importance of media literacy and combating misinformation, particularly for public relations professionals. The hosts highlight how the rise of AI and deepfake technology has made it increasingly difficult to discern truth from fiction. They emphasize the responsibility of PR pros to educate their clients and the public on verifying information, monitoring for misuse of brand assets, and providing tools to fact-check claims. The discussion also touches on the role of social media platforms in addressing the spread of misinformation and the need for collective action by companies and organizations to curtail the problem.</p>
<p>The hosts reflect on the current media landscape, especially during an election year when the stakes are high, and the potential for misinformation is rampant. Today’s discussion highlights the responsibility we have as PR pros to not only stay informed ourselves but also to educate our clients and the public about the importance of media literacy. Misinformation can affect brands in both significant and subtle ways, and it is our duty to help our clients navigate this complex environment.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle explore practical strategies for enhancing media literacy among clients and their audiences. This includes implementing robust monitoring systems to track brand mentions and ensuring that content produced is clearly marked to establish ownership and authenticity. The discussion includes the importance of equipping the public with tools to fact-check information, such as linking to credible sources and encouraging critical thinking.</p>
<p>As Michelle and Karen delve deeper, they address the psychological aspects of how people consume information, particularly how personal beliefs can cloud judgment regarding what is considered "true" or "fake." We share anecdotes about the impact of negative reviews and misinformation on local businesses, underscoring the real-world consequences of unchecked falsehoods.</p>
<p>The conversation takes a broader turn as they advocate for a collective effort within the PR industry to combat misinformation. Karen and Michelle envision a future where every brand provides resources to help the public discern fact from fiction, ultimately fostering a more informed society. They call on social media platforms to take a more proactive role in identifying and flagging misleading content, emphasizing that doing the right thing is essential for long-term success.</p>
<p>In closing, listeners  are reminded that while the fight against misinformation can feel overwhelming, every small effort counts. PR professionals are encouraged to join this important mission, armed with their"teaspoons" and commitment to truth.</p>
<p>If you found value in our discussion, please share this episode and connect with us at soloprpro.com for more insights and past episodes. Thank you for tuning in to <em>That Solo Life</em>!</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Media Literacy Discussion on the importance of media literacy in PR and marketing, especially during an election year.</p>
<p>00:02:00 - The Role of AI in Media Literacy Exploration of how AI advancements impact the discernment of truth and accuracy in media.</p>
<p>00:04:00 - Equipping Clients and Publics Strategies for PR pros to help clients monitor their brand and educate the public on fact-checking.</p>
<p>00:06:00 - The Challenge of Misinformation Discussion on the prevalence of misinformation and the responsibility of brands to combat it.</p>
<p>00:08:00 - Belief Systems and Information Consumption Analysis of how personal beliefs affect the perception of information and the importance of critical thinking.</p>
<p>00:10:00 - The Impact of Fake Reviews Examination of how fake reviews can harm brands and the need for consumers to discern authenticity.</p>
<p>00:12:00 - Ethics in PR and Media The ethical implications of spreading misinformation and the responsibility of PR professionals to advocate for truth.</p>
<p>00:14:00 - The Role of Social Media Platforms Discussion on the responsibility of social media companies to combat misinformation and protect users.</p>
<p>00:15:00 - Conclusion and Call to Action Encouragement for PR pros to contribute to the fight against misinformation and promote media literacy.</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Resources for PR Pros: <a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/prsa-resources/misinformation'>News Literacy Project</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Tackling Ai:<a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/'>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Battling Misinformation: <a href='https://www.prsa.org/article/how-pr-pros-can-help-counter-ai-s-misinformation'>How PR Pros Can Counter AI Misinformation</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 267: Beyond the Pretty: Understanding the True Value of PR
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of That Solo Life, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the evolving landscape of public relations and marketing, particularly focusing on the value of strategic thinking in our professions. We kick off the conversation by reflecting on how the perception of PR has shifted over the years—from being seen as mere party planners to now being equated with the creation of visually appealing content, such as social media reels.</p>
<p>Michelle highlights the importance of recognizing the intent and expertise that goes into crafting effective communication strategies, emphasizing that beautiful outputs are often the result of meticulous planning and seasoned thought. Karen adds to this by discussing the challenges faced by PR professionals and marketers in a world where the demand for our skills is being eroded by the rise of multi-hyphenates and the casual approach some take towards our professions.</p>
<p>We explore the implications of this shift, particularly how it affects our livelihoods and the perception of our expertise. Both hosts share personal experiences, noting that many in the field have taken non-traditional paths to their current roles, which adds to the complexity of how our work is valued.</p>
<p>The discussion also touches on the role of AI and the allure of quick fixes in marketing and PR, contrasting these with the deep, analytical work that truly drives outcomes. We acknowledge the frustrations of journalists, especially in the political realm, as they navigate a landscape where content creators are gaining prominence.</p>
<p>As we reflect on the importance of our roles, we emphasize the need for PR professionals and marketers to elevate their own standards and educate others about the true nature of our work. We advocate for a collaborative approach within the industry, aiming to uplift the entire profession rather than create divisions between independents and those in traditional roles.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we stress that clients will always need skilled professionals to tell their stories effectively. We highlight the intricate thought processes that go into our work, from crafting headlines to managing crises, and the necessity of being recognized for the value we bring.</p>
<p>In closing, we encourage our listeners to take pride in their profession and to share this episode with others who may benefit from understanding the depth and complexity of what we do. Join us as we continue to champion the importance of strategic thinking in PR and marketing, and strive to preserve the integrity of our professions for future generations.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:18 - The Value of PR and Marketing </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:48 - Misconceptions About PR and Content Creation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:05 - The Importance of Expertise in PR and Marketing</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:43 - The Evolving Landscape of PR and Journalism </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:00 - The Complexity Behind Simple Outputs</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:31 - The Role of Independents in the Industry </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:31 - The Need for Storytelling and Guidance </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:41 - Raising Standards in PR and Marketing </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:42 - Job Misconceptions and Industry Challenges</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:10 - The Value of PR Professionals </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:01 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 267: Beyond the Pretty: Understanding the True Value of PR
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of <em>That Solo Life</em>, co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the evolving landscape of public relations and marketing, particularly focusing on the value of strategic thinking in our professions. We kick off the conversation by reflecting on how the perception of PR has shifted over the years—from being seen as mere party planners to now being equated with the creation of visually appealing content, such as social media reels.</p>
<p>Michelle highlights the importance of recognizing the intent and expertise that goes into crafting effective communication strategies, emphasizing that beautiful outputs are often the result of meticulous planning and seasoned thought. Karen adds to this by discussing the challenges faced by PR professionals and marketers in a world where the demand for our skills is being eroded by the rise of multi-hyphenates and the casual approach some take towards our professions.</p>
<p>We explore the implications of this shift, particularly how it affects our livelihoods and the perception of our expertise. Both hosts share personal experiences, noting that many in the field have taken non-traditional paths to their current roles, which adds to the complexity of how our work is valued.</p>
<p>The discussion also touches on the role of AI and the allure of quick fixes in marketing and PR, contrasting these with the deep, analytical work that truly drives outcomes. We acknowledge the frustrations of journalists, especially in the political realm, as they navigate a landscape where content creators are gaining prominence.</p>
<p>As we reflect on the importance of our roles, we emphasize the need for PR professionals and marketers to elevate their own standards and educate others about the true nature of our work. We advocate for a collaborative approach within the industry, aiming to uplift the entire profession rather than create divisions between independents and those in traditional roles.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, we stress that clients will always need skilled professionals to tell their stories effectively. We highlight the intricate thought processes that go into our work, from crafting headlines to managing crises, and the necessity of being recognized for the value we bring.</p>
<p>In closing, we encourage our listeners to take pride in their profession and to share this episode with others who may benefit from understanding the depth and complexity of what we do. Join us as we continue to champion the importance of strategic thinking in PR and marketing, and strive to preserve the integrity of our professions for future generations.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction to That Solo Life </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:18 - The Value of PR and Marketing </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:48 - Misconceptions About PR and Content Creation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:05 - The Importance of Expertise in PR and Marketing</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:43 - The Evolving Landscape of PR and Journalism </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:00 - The Complexity Behind Simple Outputs</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:31 - The Role of Independents in the Industry </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:31 - The Need for Storytelling and Guidance </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:41 - Raising Standards in PR and Marketing </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:42 - Job Misconceptions and Industry Challenges</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:10 - The Value of PR Professionals </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:01 - Conclusion and Call to Action</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the complex and evolving relationship between artificial intelligence (AI) and the world of public relations (PR). The episode kicks off with a discussion about the recent controversy surrounding the NaNoWriMo project and its use of AI, sparking a broader conversation about the role of AI as a tool in the PR profession.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the inevitability of AI's presence in the industry and stress the importance of embracing and shaping its use rather than resisting it. They highlight the need for PR professionals to lead the way in defining ethical practices and addressing issues such as inherent biases and copyright protection in the context of AI-generated content.</p>
<p>The hosts acknowledge the potential benefits of AI in streamlining certain tasks, such as research analysis and content generation, but also caution against relying solely on AI without human intelligence and guidance. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking, fact-checking, and maintaining ethical standards in the face of AI's increasing influence on the media landscape.</p>
<p>The conversation extends to the role of journalists and PR professionals in upholding integrity and accuracy in their work, amidst concerns about misinformation and unethical practices in the industry. Michelle and Karen underscore the vital role of media literacy and ethical decision-making in preserving the credibility and impact of journalism and PR.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, the hosts encourage listeners to engage in civil discourse, share their insights, and consider joining the Solo PR Pro community for further professional development and networking opportunities. The episode serves as a call to action for PR professionals to navigate the evolving landscape of AI with integrity, critical thinking, and a commitment to ethical practices.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Introduction: 00:00:02-00:00:41</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Discussion on AI in PR and Marketing: 00:01:08-00:09:58</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Concerns about Misinformation and Ethics: 00:09:58-00:11:36</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Journalism and Integrity: 00:11:36-00:13:50</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Media Literacy and Importance of Ethics: 00:14:14-00:15:53</li>
</ul>
<p>AI Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y0cyL8BNrw'>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.christopherspenn.com/category/newsletter/'>Almost Timely Newsletter</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://michaelsmartpr.substack.com/?r=4abw6a&amp;utm_campaign=subscribe-page-share-screen&amp;utm_medium=web'>Michael Smart’s AI Assisted PR Newsletter</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://hatchworks.com/blog/software-development/generative-ai-beginners/'>Getting Started with Generative AI</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 266: Navigating the New Normal of AI 
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the complex and evolving relationship between artificial intelligence (AI) and the world of public relations (PR). The episode kicks off with a discussion about the recent controversy surrounding the NaNoWriMo project and its use of AI, sparking a broader conversation about the role of AI as a tool in the PR profession.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the inevitability of AI's presence in the industry and stress the importance of embracing and shaping its use rather than resisting it. They highlight the need for PR professionals to lead the way in defining ethical practices and addressing issues such as inherent biases and copyright protection in the context of AI-generated content.</p>
<p>The hosts acknowledge the potential benefits of AI in streamlining certain tasks, such as research analysis and content generation, but also caution against relying solely on AI without human intelligence and guidance. They emphasize the importance of critical thinking, fact-checking, and maintaining ethical standards in the face of AI's increasing influence on the media landscape.</p>
<p>The conversation extends to the role of journalists and PR professionals in upholding integrity and accuracy in their work, amidst concerns about misinformation and unethical practices in the industry. Michelle and Karen underscore the vital role of media literacy and ethical decision-making in preserving the credibility and impact of journalism and PR.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, the hosts encourage listeners to engage in civil discourse, share their insights, and consider joining the Solo PR Pro community for further professional development and networking opportunities. The episode serves as a call to action for PR professionals to navigate the evolving landscape of AI with integrity, critical thinking, and a commitment to ethical practices.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Introduction: 00:00:02-00:00:41</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Discussion on AI in PR and Marketing: 00:01:08-00:09:58</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Concerns about Misinformation and Ethics: 00:09:58-00:11:36</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Journalism and Integrity: 00:11:36-00:13:50</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Media Literacy and Importance of Ethics: 00:14:14-00:15:53</li>
</ul>
<p>AI Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y0cyL8BNrw'>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.christopherspenn.com/category/newsletter/'>Almost Timely Newsletter</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://michaelsmartpr.substack.com/?r=4abw6a&amp;utm_campaign=subscribe-page-share-screen&amp;utm_medium=web'>Michael Smart’s AI Assisted PR Newsletter</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://hatchworks.com/blog/software-development/generative-ai-beginners/'>Getting Started with Generative AI</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 265: How PR Pros Can Leverage that Back to School Energy
 
In this Episode
<p>It’s back to school season and for Solo PR Pros it’s a great time to refresh and reset. In today’s episode Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the topic of embracing a back-to-school mindset as solopreneurs. As the fall season approaches, they discuss the importance of self-care, professional development, and rejuvenation in order to stay sharp and serve clients effectively.</p>
<p>The hosts highlight the significance of taking time for personal growth, whether through workshops, online courses, or simply revisiting the basics of our profession. They emphasize the value of setting aside dedicated time for reflection and creative thinking, stressing the need for solopreneurs to prioritize mental well-being amidst the constant influx of information and responsibilities.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also touch on the idea of incorporating playtime and self-compliments into daily routines, drawing parallels between the joy of back-to-school shopping and the potential for a wardrobe refresh to boost energy and confidence. They encourage listeners to find small ways to infuse excitement and positivity into their work lives, even in the absence of traditional office interactions.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal anecdotes and insights, underscoring the challenges and rewards of working independently. They invite listeners to share their own back-to-school tips and experiences, fostering a sense of community and collaboration within the solopreneur space.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, Michelle and Karen express their hopes for a successful end to the year, both professionally and personally. They encourage listeners to prioritize self-care and growth, reminding them that the freedom of solopreneurship allows for flexibility and choice in how they approach their work and well-being.</p>
<p>Listeners are invited to share their feedback and suggestions for future episodes, as the hosts look forward to continuing the conversation on navigating the solo professional journey. Tune in to "That Solo Life" for more insights, tips, and inspiration for thriving as a Solo PR Pro in today's dynamic landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Back to School Theme
00:05:30 - Importance of Taking Breaks and Decompressing
00:11:12 - Refreshing Your Wardrobe for Fall
00:14:30 - Importance of Laughter and Mental Health
00:15:26 - Embracing Freedom and Choices in Solo Work</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 265: How PR Pros Can Leverage that Back to School Energy
 
In this Episode
<p>It’s back to school season and for Solo PR Pros it’s a great time to refresh and reset. In today’s episode Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane dive into the topic of embracing a back-to-school mindset as solopreneurs. As the fall season approaches, they discuss the importance of self-care, professional development, and rejuvenation in order to stay sharp and serve clients effectively.</p>
<p>The hosts highlight the significance of taking time for personal growth, whether through workshops, online courses, or simply revisiting the basics of our profession. They emphasize the value of setting aside dedicated time for reflection and creative thinking, stressing the need for solopreneurs to prioritize mental well-being amidst the constant influx of information and responsibilities.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also touch on the idea of incorporating playtime and self-compliments into daily routines, drawing parallels between the joy of back-to-school shopping and the potential for a wardrobe refresh to boost energy and confidence. They encourage listeners to find small ways to infuse excitement and positivity into their work lives, even in the absence of traditional office interactions.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal anecdotes and insights, underscoring the challenges and rewards of working independently. They invite listeners to share their own back-to-school tips and experiences, fostering a sense of community and collaboration within the solopreneur space.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, Michelle and Karen express their hopes for a successful end to the year, both professionally and personally. They encourage listeners to prioritize self-care and growth, reminding them that the freedom of solopreneurship allows for flexibility and choice in how they approach their work and well-being.</p>
<p>Listeners are invited to share their feedback and suggestions for future episodes, as the hosts look forward to continuing the conversation on navigating the solo professional journey. Tune in to "That Solo Life" for more insights, tips, and inspiration for thriving as a Solo PR Pro in today's dynamic landscape.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Back to School Theme<br>
00:05:30 - Importance of Taking Breaks and Decompressing<br>
00:11:12 - Refreshing Your Wardrobe for Fall<br>
00:14:30 - Importance of Laughter and Mental Health<br>
00:15:26 - Embracing Freedom and Choices in Solo Work</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  dive into the importance of year-end client conversations for PR professionals and marketers. As the final quarter of the year approaches, the hosts emphasize the significance of checking in with clients to ensure alignment, satisfaction, and strategic planning for the upcoming year.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the necessity of conducting a health check with clients, focusing on both the health of the client's business and the effectiveness of the PR program. They stress the value of open and honest conversations, allowing for feedback and addressing any missed opportunities or areas for improvement.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle  highlight the importance of building strong relationships with clients beyond transactional interactions. They emphasize the role of PR professionals in supporting client growth, career development, and overall success.</p>
<p>As the conversation progresses, the hosts delve into the process of presenting year-end recaps and program recommendations to clients. They suggest incorporating a SWOT analysis to identify strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats, providing a comprehensive overview of the client's PR program.</p>
<p>Additionally, Michelle and Karen encourage PR professionals to confidently discuss budget increases with clients, emphasizing the need to align rates with the evolving costs of doing business. They stress the importance of demonstrating value, communicating achievements, and proactively addressing client needs to strengthen trust and foster long-term partnerships.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the hosts remind listeners to prioritize effective communication, strategic planning, and ongoing client engagement as they navigate year-end conversations and prepare for the new year ahead. They invite listeners to share feedback, engage with the Solo PR Pro community, and continue learning and growing in their solo PR and marketing endeavors.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage</p>
<p>00:05:30 - Importance of Health Check Conversations with Clients
00:12:01 - Recommendations and Budget Conversations
00:13:35 - SWOT Analysis and Strategic Counsel
00:16:33 - Communicating Value and Recap to Clients</p>
<p>00:17:48 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane  dive into the importance of year-end client conversations for PR professionals and marketers. As the final quarter of the year approaches, the hosts emphasize the significance of checking in with clients to ensure alignment, satisfaction, and strategic planning for the upcoming year.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the necessity of conducting a health check with clients, focusing on both the health of the client's business and the effectiveness of the PR program. They stress the value of open and honest conversations, allowing for feedback and addressing any missed opportunities or areas for improvement.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle  highlight the importance of building strong relationships with clients beyond transactional interactions. They emphasize the role of PR professionals in supporting client growth, career development, and overall success.</p>
<p>As the conversation progresses, the hosts delve into the process of presenting year-end recaps and program recommendations to clients. They suggest incorporating a SWOT analysis to identify strengths, weaknesses, opportunities, and threats, providing a comprehensive overview of the client's PR program.</p>
<p>Additionally, Michelle and Karen encourage PR professionals to confidently discuss budget increases with clients, emphasizing the need to align rates with the evolving costs of doing business. They stress the importance of demonstrating value, communicating achievements, and proactively addressing client needs to strengthen trust and foster long-term partnerships.</p>
<p>In conclusion, the hosts remind listeners to prioritize effective communication, strategic planning, and ongoing client engagement as they navigate year-end conversations and prepare for the new year ahead. They invite listeners to share feedback, engage with the Solo PR Pro community, and continue learning and growing in their solo PR and marketing endeavors.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Setting the Stage</p>
<p>00:05:30 - Importance of Health Check Conversations with Clients<br>
00:12:01 - Recommendations and Budget Conversations<br>
00:13:35 - SWOT Analysis and Strategic Counsel<br>
00:16:33 - Communicating Value and Recap to Clients</p>
<p>00:17:48 - Conclusion and Call to Action</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 263:  How To Transform PR With Trauma-Informed Practices with Kahshanna Evans
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane are joined by the passionate and inspiring Kahshanna Evans, a senior strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations. Kahshanna's expertise lies in community building through communication strategy, corporate social responsibility, and trauma-informed communications management.</p>
<p>Kahshanna shares her journey into the trauma management space, highlighting her background in fashion, film, and television before delving into transformational well-being studies. Her lightbulb moment came during a trauma-informed outreach program, leading her to focus on trauma-informed practices and awareness.</p>
<p>The conversation delves into the importance of trauma-informed communications in various sectors, including crisis communications, corporate social responsibility, and media literacy. Kahshanna emphasizes the need for a shift towards person-first language and humanizing narratives, especially in historically targeted communities.</p>
<p>The episode explores Kahshanna's community building communication strategy, which integrates trauma-informed practices, media literacy, and the empowerment of historically marginalized communities. The hosts discuss the role of solo PR professionals as activists and educators, advocating for change and inclusivity in the industry.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to engage with Kahshanna through Kissing Lions' website or LinkedIn, and to join the solo PR community for further discussions and collaborations. The episode concludes with a call to action for professionals to embrace trauma-informed practices and work together towards transformative change in communications and beyond.</p>
<p>About Kahshanna Evans</p>
<p>Kahshanna Evans brings her passion for community building through communications strategy, corporate social responsibility (CSR), and uniting people through stories to her role of Senior Strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations, Trauma Informed Resilient Communities Consultant—and as a New York State Trauma Informed Network and Resources Center (TINRC) Advisory Council Member. Kahshanna has been a leading strategic thinker in various industries, including wellness, communications, nonprofit, and professional services. During her tenure at a nonprofit that educates the public and private sector on PACEs science, Kahshanna served as a subject matter expert, organizational spokesperson, and facilitator of trauma-informed (TI) training for various communities. As a founding member of a Diversity, Equity, Belonging, Inclusion &amp; Allyship (DEIB/A) committee at a wellbeing tech company, Kahshanna played a role in advocating for the creation of a culture of belonging. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Kahshanna Evans
00:03:20 - Importance of Trauma-Informed Communications
00:05:51 - Crisis Communication and Trauma-Informed Practices
00:13:11 - Overcoming Politicization of Trauma
00:18:25 - Community Building Communication Strategy
00:23:29 - Transforming the Industry through Trauma-Informed Practices
00:30:58 - Emphasizing Community Support and Collaboration</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Kahshanna Evans article (chock full of resources): <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-corporate-citizenship-can-solo-pr-pros-introduce-evans-dtuee'>The Future of Corporate Citizenship: Can Solo PR Pros Introduce A Trauma Informed World View?</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Study: <a href='https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781119678953.ch25'>From managing emotion to trauma‐informed management: A new direction in crisis communication</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://search.informit.org/doi/abs/10.3316/INFORMIT.101525392822250'>Victims as stakeholders: Insights from the intersection of psychosocial, ethical, and crisis communication paths</a> </li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Kahshanna Evans!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Kahshanna, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/kahshannaevans/'>LinkedIn</a>!</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 263:  How To Transform PR With Trauma-Informed Practices with Kahshanna Evans
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane are joined by the passionate and inspiring Kahshanna Evans, a senior strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations. Kahshanna's expertise lies in community building through communication strategy, corporate social responsibility, and trauma-informed communications management.</p>
<p>Kahshanna shares her journey into the trauma management space, highlighting her background in fashion, film, and television before delving into transformational well-being studies. Her lightbulb moment came during a trauma-informed outreach program, leading her to focus on trauma-informed practices and awareness.</p>
<p>The conversation delves into the importance of trauma-informed communications in various sectors, including crisis communications, corporate social responsibility, and media literacy. Kahshanna emphasizes the need for a shift towards person-first language and humanizing narratives, especially in historically targeted communities.</p>
<p>The episode explores Kahshanna's community building communication strategy, which integrates trauma-informed practices, media literacy, and the empowerment of historically marginalized communities. The hosts discuss the role of solo PR professionals as activists and educators, advocating for change and inclusivity in the industry.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to engage with Kahshanna through Kissing Lions' website or LinkedIn, and to join the solo PR community for further discussions and collaborations. The episode concludes with a call to action for professionals to embrace trauma-informed practices and work together towards transformative change in communications and beyond.</p>
<p>About Kahshanna Evans</p>
<p>Kahshanna Evans brings her passion for community building through communications strategy, corporate social responsibility (CSR), and uniting people through stories to her role of Senior Strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations, Trauma Informed Resilient Communities Consultant—and as a New York State Trauma Informed Network and Resources Center (TINRC) Advisory Council Member. Kahshanna has been a leading strategic thinker in various industries, including wellness, communications, nonprofit, and professional services. During her tenure at a nonprofit that educates the public and private sector on PACEs science, Kahshanna served as a subject matter expert, organizational spokesperson, and facilitator of trauma-informed (TI) training for various communities. As a founding member of a Diversity, Equity, Belonging, Inclusion &amp; Allyship (DEIB/A) committee at a wellbeing tech company, Kahshanna played a role in advocating for the creation of a culture of belonging. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction to Kahshanna Evans<br>
00:03:20 - Importance of Trauma-Informed Communications<br>
00:05:51 - Crisis Communication and Trauma-Informed Practices<br>
00:13:11 - Overcoming Politicization of Trauma<br>
00:18:25 - Community Building Communication Strategy<br>
00:23:29 - Transforming the Industry through Trauma-Informed Practices<br>
00:30:58 - Emphasizing Community Support and Collaboration</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Kahshanna Evans article (chock full of resources): <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-corporate-citizenship-can-solo-pr-pros-introduce-evans-dtuee'>The Future of Corporate Citizenship: Can Solo PR Pros Introduce A Trauma Informed World View?</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Study: <a href='https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781119678953.ch25'>From managing emotion to trauma‐informed management: A new direction in crisis communication</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://search.informit.org/doi/abs/10.3316/INFORMIT.101525392822250'>Victims as stakeholders: Insights from the intersection of psychosocial, ethical, and crisis communication paths</a> </li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Say Thanks to Kahshanna Evans!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Kahshanna, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/kahshannaevans/'>LinkedIn</a>!</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 263:  How To Transform PR With Trauma-Informed Practices with Kahshanna Evans
In this Episode
In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane are joined by the passionate and inspiring Kahshanna Evans, a senior strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations. Kahshanna's expertise lies in community building through communication strategy, corporate social responsibility, and trauma-informed communications management.
Kahshanna shares her journey into the trauma management space, highlighting her background in fashion, film, and television before delving into transformational well-being studies. Her lightbulb moment came during a trauma-informed outreach program, leading her to focus on trauma-informed practices and awareness.
The conversation delves into the importance of trauma-informed communications in various sectors, including crisis communications, corporate social responsibility, and media literacy. Kahshanna emphasizes the need for a shift towards person-first language and humanizing narratives, especially in historically targeted communities.
The episode explores Kahshanna's community building communication strategy, which integrates trauma-informed practices, media literacy, and the empowerment of historically marginalized communities. The hosts discuss the role of solo PR professionals as activists and educators, advocating for change and inclusivity in the industry.
Listeners are encouraged to engage with Kahshanna through Kissing Lions' website or LinkedIn, and to join the solo PR community for further discussions and collaborations. The episode concludes with a call to action for professionals to embrace trauma-informed practices and work together towards transformative change in communications and beyond.
About Kahshanna Evans
Kahshanna Evans brings her passion for community building through communications strategy, corporate social responsibility (CSR), and uniting people through stories to her role of Senior Strategist at Kissing Lions Public Relations, Trauma Informed Resilient Communities Consultant—and as a New York State Trauma Informed Network and Resources Center (TINRC) Advisory Council Member. Kahshanna has been a leading strategic thinker in various industries, including wellness, communications, nonprofit, and professional services. During her tenure at a nonprofit that educates the public and private sector on PACEs science, Kahshanna served as a subject matter expert, organizational spokesperson, and facilitator of trauma-informed (TI) training for various communities. As a founding member of a Diversity, Equity, Belonging, Inclusion &amp; Allyship (DEIB/A) committee at a wellbeing tech company, Kahshanna played a role in advocating for the creation of a culture of belonging. 
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction to Kahshanna Evans00:03:20 - Importance of Trauma-Informed Communications00:05:51 - Crisis Communication and Trauma-Informed Practices00:13:11 - Overcoming Politicization of Trauma00:18:25 - Community Building Communication Strategy00:23:29 - Transforming the Industry through Trauma-Informed Practices00:30:58 - Emphasizing Community Support and Collaboration
Resources:
Kahshanna Evans article (chock full of resources): The Future of Corporate Citizenship: Can Solo PR Pros Introduce A Trauma Informed World View?
Study: From managing emotion to trauma‐informed management: A new direction in crisis communication
Victims as stakeholders: Insights from the intersection of psychosocial, ethical, and crisis communication paths 
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPR, @SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!
Say Thanks to Kahshanna Evans!
If you liked this episode with Kahshanna, please say thanks on LinkedIn!
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 262: Establishing and Proving the Value of Public Relations</p>
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the ongoing challenge of establishing and proving the value of public relations work to clients. Independent PR professionals must navigate the complexities of demonstrating the impact of their efforts in a landscape where marketing, advertising, and PR often get lumped together.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the importance of metrics and measuring the success of PR campaigns, especially in times of economic uncertainty where clients may be more focused on immediate revenue generation. They emphasize the distinction between PR and marketing, highlighting the nuanced ways in which PR professionals contribute to a company's bottom line.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle share personal experiences and insights on how to effectively communicate the value of PR to clients. They stress the need for open and candid conversations about goals, success metrics, and the evolving needs of the client's business. The hosts acknowledge the challenges of navigating client expectations and the pressure to deliver tangible results in a competitive market.</p>
<p>As the conversation unfolds, the hosts encourage PR professionals to hone their measurement skills, delve into data analytics, and craft compelling narratives that showcase the impact of PR efforts on business outcomes. They underscore the importance of continuous learning, adaptation, and proactive communication to build trust and credibility with clients.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Karen and Michelle urge listeners to stay resilient, proactive, and focused on delivering value in a rapidly changing industry. They invite feedback and shared experiences from the audience, emphasizing the collective learning and growth within the PR community. The episode serves as a reminder of the ongoing journey to elevate the role of PR professionals and demonstrate their indispensable contribution to business success.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:02 - Establishing and Proving the Value of PR</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:16 - Focus on PR and Marketing Value</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:01 - Conversations about Goals and Success</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:35 - Adapting to Client Needs and Market Changes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:51 - Navigating Sales-Driven Organizations</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:41 - Understanding Client Perspectives and Decision Making</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:33 - Importance of Measurement and Metrics</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:30 - Conclusion and Call for Better Storytelling</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 262: Establishing and Proving the Value of Public Relations</p>
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the ongoing challenge of establishing and proving the value of public relations work to clients. Independent PR professionals must navigate the complexities of demonstrating the impact of their efforts in a landscape where marketing, advertising, and PR often get lumped together.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the importance of metrics and measuring the success of PR campaigns, especially in times of economic uncertainty where clients may be more focused on immediate revenue generation. They emphasize the distinction between PR and marketing, highlighting the nuanced ways in which PR professionals contribute to a company's bottom line.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle share personal experiences and insights on how to effectively communicate the value of PR to clients. They stress the need for open and candid conversations about goals, success metrics, and the evolving needs of the client's business. The hosts acknowledge the challenges of navigating client expectations and the pressure to deliver tangible results in a competitive market.</p>
<p>As the conversation unfolds, the hosts encourage PR professionals to hone their measurement skills, delve into data analytics, and craft compelling narratives that showcase the impact of PR efforts on business outcomes. They underscore the importance of continuous learning, adaptation, and proactive communication to build trust and credibility with clients.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Karen and Michelle urge listeners to stay resilient, proactive, and focused on delivering value in a rapidly changing industry. They invite feedback and shared experiences from the audience, emphasizing the collective learning and growth within the PR community. The episode serves as a reminder of the ongoing journey to elevate the role of PR professionals and demonstrate their indispensable contribution to business success.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:02 - Establishing and Proving the Value of PR</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:16 - Focus on PR and Marketing Value</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:01 - Conversations about Goals and Success</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:35 - Adapting to Client Needs and Market Changes</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:51 - Navigating Sales-Driven Organizations</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:41 - Understanding Client Perspectives and Decision Making</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:33 - Importance of Measurement and Metrics</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:30 - Conclusion and Call for Better Storytelling</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 261: On the Edge of Ethics</p>
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p>Has being edgy gone too far? In today’s episode of That Solo Life podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the controversial topic of sensationalized headlines and the impact they have on the dissemination of accurate information. The hosts discuss the fine line between grabbing attention and misleading the audience, especially in today's media landscape where clickbait headlines are prevalent.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss a recent example of the Olympics and the false narrative surrounding a boxer from Algeria to highlight how sensationalized headlines can lead to misinformation and even incite hatred towards individuals. They emphasized the ethical responsibility of PR professionals and journalists to present accurate and fair information to the public.</p>
<p>Public Relations professionals should all be concerned about the current trend of compromising truth for entertainment value in news reporting. The hosts reflected on the implications of this trend on future generations, particularly in an era where social media and instant information sharing can lead to the rapid spread of misinformation.</p>
<p>This episode also touched on the importance of self-reflection and avoiding biases in communication strategies, urging Solo PR Pros to stay honest and forthright in their work. </p>
<p>Overall, this episode served as a thought-provoking discussion on the evolving landscape of media, the importance of ethical journalism, and the role of PR professionals in upholding truth and accuracy in communication.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on Provocative Headlines</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:30 - Impact of Misinformation and Ethical Responsibility</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:06 - Concerns about Younger Generations and News Consumption</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:05 - Compromising Truth for Entertainment</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:35 - Challenges of Different Versions of Truth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:04 - Encouragement for Self-Reflection and Audience Engagement</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Enjoyed the episode? </li>
</ul>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 261: On the Edge of Ethics</p>
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p>Has being edgy gone too far? In today’s episode of That Solo Life podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the controversial topic of sensationalized headlines and the impact they have on the dissemination of accurate information. The hosts discuss the fine line between grabbing attention and misleading the audience, especially in today's media landscape where clickbait headlines are prevalent.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle discuss a recent example of the Olympics and the false narrative surrounding a boxer from Algeria to highlight how sensationalized headlines can lead to misinformation and even incite hatred towards individuals. They emphasized the ethical responsibility of PR professionals and journalists to present accurate and fair information to the public.</p>
<p>Public Relations professionals should all be concerned about the current trend of compromising truth for entertainment value in news reporting. The hosts reflected on the implications of this trend on future generations, particularly in an era where social media and instant information sharing can lead to the rapid spread of misinformation.</p>
<p>This episode also touched on the importance of self-reflection and avoiding biases in communication strategies, urging Solo PR Pros to stay honest and forthright in their work. </p>
<p>Overall, this episode served as a thought-provoking discussion on the evolving landscape of media, the importance of ethical journalism, and the role of PR professionals in upholding truth and accuracy in communication.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on Provocative Headlines</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:30 - Impact of Misinformation and Ethical Responsibility</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:06 - Concerns about Younger Generations and News Consumption</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:05 - Compromising Truth for Entertainment</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:35 - Challenges of Different Versions of Truth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:04 - Encouragement for Self-Reflection and Audience Engagement</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Enjoyed the episode? </li>
</ul>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In this Episode
Has being edgy gone too far? In today’s episode of That Solo Life podcast, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss the controversial topic of sensationalized headlines and the impact they have on the dissemination of accurate information. The hosts discuss the fine line between grabbing attention and misleading the audience, especially in today's media landscape where clickbait headlines are prevalent.
Karen and Michelle discuss a recent example of the Olympics and the false narrative surrounding a boxer from Algeria to highlight how sensationalized headlines can lead to misinformation and even incite hatred towards individuals. They emphasized the ethical responsibility of PR professionals and journalists to present accurate and fair information to the public.
Public Relations professionals should all be concerned about the current trend of compromising truth for entertainment value in news reporting. The hosts reflected on the implications of this trend on future generations, particularly in an era where social media and instant information sharing can lead to the rapid spread of misinformation.
This episode also touched on the importance of self-reflection and avoiding biases in communication strategies, urging Solo PR Pros to stay honest and forthright in their work. 
Overall, this episode served as a thought-provoking discussion on the evolving landscape of media, the importance of ethical journalism, and the role of PR professionals in upholding truth and accuracy in communication.
Episode Timeline
00:00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on Provocative Headlines
00:05:30 - Impact of Misinformation and Ethical Responsibility
00:09:06 - Concerns about Younger Generations and News Consumption
00:12:05 - Compromising Truth for Entertainment
00:13:35 - Challenges of Different Versions of Truth
00:15:04 - Encouragement for Self-Reflection and Audience Engagement
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPR, @SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 260:  How To Break In or Out of Being a Solo PR Pro</p>
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p>Do you want to make the leap to being a Solo PR Pro? Or are you a Solo longing for the steady rhythm and challenge of an in-house job? In today’s episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss diving in or out of being a Solo P Pro.</p>
<p>Life is not stagnant and that applies to your PR career. We all navigate different seasons of life and our career aspirations and capacity may evolve to fit that season.  Decades ago, consulting or freelancing was seen as a temporary measure between jobs. Today, it is  rightly recognized as a legitimate career path offering control and flexibility. This shift in the perception of solo work makes it easier to move in and out of working for yourself and working n-house.</p>
<p>In the episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the factors to consider when contemplating a shift between solo work and traditional employment. Michelle emphasizes the need for self-motivation, financial preparedness, and a clear understanding of market demand when venturing into solo work. Karen stresses the significance of intentional networking and skill development for those considering a return to in-house positions.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the importance of aligning work with personal fulfillment and the freedom to pursue different paths based on individual needs and desires. They encourage listeners to share their experiences and questions, inviting engagement and feedback for future episodes.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to visit the soloprpro.com website to connect with the hosts and share their stories. The episode concludes with a call to action for sharing and reviewing the podcast to support its growth and reach.</p>
<p>The episode is a great reminder that public relations professionals can build a career customized to their needs and aspirations, adjusting it along the way to fit the fluidity of their lives.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Midsummer Stride: Michelle and Karen discuss the midsummer season and ignore the back-to-school rush.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:30 - Evolving Attitudes Towards Consulting: Karen reflects on the evolution of consulting from a stopgap measure to a career choice.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:27 - Flexibility in Career Choices: Michelle and Karen emphasize the importance of flexibility in transitioning between solo work and in-house positions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:33 - Networking Strategies: Karen provides insights on networking strategies for transitioning between solo work and in-house positions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:23 - Pursuing Fulfillment: Michelle and Karen discuss the balance between pursuing fulfilling work and jobs that provide stability and benefits.</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 260:  How To Break In or Out of Being a Solo PR Pro</p>
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p>Do you want to make the leap to being a Solo PR Pro? Or are you a Solo longing for the steady rhythm and challenge of an in-house job? In today’s episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane discuss diving in or out of being a Solo P Pro.</p>
<p>Life is not stagnant and that applies to your PR career. We all navigate different seasons of life and our career aspirations and capacity may evolve to fit that season.  Decades ago, consulting or freelancing was seen as a temporary measure between jobs. Today, it is  rightly recognized as a legitimate career path offering control and flexibility. This shift in the perception of solo work makes it easier to move in and out of working for yourself and working n-house.</p>
<p>In the episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the factors to consider when contemplating a shift between solo work and traditional employment. Michelle emphasizes the need for self-motivation, financial preparedness, and a clear understanding of market demand when venturing into solo work. Karen stresses the significance of intentional networking and skill development for those considering a return to in-house positions.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the importance of aligning work with personal fulfillment and the freedom to pursue different paths based on individual needs and desires. They encourage listeners to share their experiences and questions, inviting engagement and feedback for future episodes.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to visit the soloprpro.com website to connect with the hosts and share their stories. The episode concludes with a call to action for sharing and reviewing the podcast to support its growth and reach.</p>
<p>The episode is a great reminder that public relations professionals can build a career customized to their needs and aspirations, adjusting it along the way to fit the fluidity of their lives.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Midsummer Stride: Michelle and Karen discuss the midsummer season and ignore the back-to-school rush.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:30 - Evolving Attitudes Towards Consulting: Karen reflects on the evolution of consulting from a stopgap measure to a career choice.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:27 - Flexibility in Career Choices: Michelle and Karen emphasize the importance of flexibility in transitioning between solo work and in-house positions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:33 - Networking Strategies: Karen provides insights on networking strategies for transitioning between solo work and in-house positions.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:23 - Pursuing Fulfillment: Michelle and Karen discuss the balance between pursuing fulfilling work and jobs that provide stability and benefits.</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-keep-your-head-when-everyone-is-losing-theirs/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2024 06:35:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 259:  How To Keep Your Head When Everyone Is Losing Theirs</p>
In this Episode
<p>Today’s episode of "That Solo Life," features an honest discussion about the challenges of the modern workforce and how Solo PR Pros can successfully navigate the toxicity and stress that has become all too prevalent.</p>
<p>Corporate employees are faced with overwhelming demands and pressures -from mandatory office returns to being burdened with more work and fewer people - the landscape is filled with challenges that impact not only employees but also independent consultants that serve these organizations.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the importance of self-care and setting boundaries in the face of workplace toxicity. They address the need to prioritize mental well-being, streamline work schedules, and find activities that bring joy and renewal. By focusing on doing good work and avoiding getting entangled in office politics, we can maintain a healthier balance and preserve our energy.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal experiences and insights on how to handle difficult situations with clients and colleagues. They stress the significance of recognizing what we can control and letting go of what we cannot, especially when faced with internal power struggles and conflicts.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to prioritize their well-being, stay positive, and remain focused on their work amidst external stressors. </p>
<p>Please join us for more discussions on "That Solo Life" and remember to share your stories and feedback with us at soloprpro.com. Thank you for tuning in, and until next time, take care and stay resilient in the face of life's challenges.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Navigating Work Challenges : 00:00:52-00:01:24</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Challenges of Detachment : 00:01:39-00:01:49</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Strategies for Self-Care : 00:04:25-00:05:18</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Importance of Boundaries : 00:05:18-00:05:29</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Finding Joy and Renewal : 00:06:03-00:07:49</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Maintaining Focus on Good Work : 00:08:02-00:09:44</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Dealing with Toxicity : 00:10:05-00:10:36</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self : 00:11:05-00:11:16</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Maintaining Positive Attitude : 00:13:37-00:13:48</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 259:  How To Keep Your Head When Everyone Is Losing Theirs</p>
In this Episode
<p>Today’s episode of "That Solo Life," features an honest discussion about the challenges of the modern workforce and how Solo PR Pros can successfully navigate the toxicity and stress that has become all too prevalent.</p>
<p>Corporate employees are faced with overwhelming demands and pressures -from mandatory office returns to being burdened with more work and fewer people - the landscape is filled with challenges that impact not only employees but also independent consultants that serve these organizations.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the importance of self-care and setting boundaries in the face of workplace toxicity. They address the need to prioritize mental well-being, streamline work schedules, and find activities that bring joy and renewal. By focusing on doing good work and avoiding getting entangled in office politics, we can maintain a healthier balance and preserve our energy.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal experiences and insights on how to handle difficult situations with clients and colleagues. They stress the significance of recognizing what we can control and letting go of what we cannot, especially when faced with internal power struggles and conflicts.</p>
<p>Listeners are encouraged to prioritize their well-being, stay positive, and remain focused on their work amidst external stressors. </p>
<p>Please join us for more discussions on "That Solo Life" and remember to share your stories and feedback with us at soloprpro.com. Thank you for tuning in, and until next time, take care and stay resilient in the face of life's challenges.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Navigating Work Challenges : 00:00:52-00:01:24</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Challenges of Detachment : 00:01:39-00:01:49</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Strategies for Self-Care : 00:04:25-00:05:18</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Importance of Boundaries : 00:05:18-00:05:29</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Finding Joy and Renewal : 00:06:03-00:07:49</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Maintaining Focus on Good Work : 00:08:02-00:09:44</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Dealing with Toxicity : 00:10:05-00:10:36</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self : 00:11:05-00:11:16</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Maintaining Positive Attitude : 00:13:37-00:13:48</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life  Episode 259:  How To Keep Your Head When Everyone Is Losing Theirs
In this Episode
Today’s episode of "That Solo Life," features an honest discussion about the challenges of the modern workforce and how Solo PR Pros can successfully navigate the toxicity and stress that has become all too prevalent.
Corporate employees are faced with overwhelming demands and pressures -from mandatory office returns to being burdened with more work and fewer people - the landscape is filled with challenges that impact not only employees but also independent consultants that serve these organizations.
Karen and Michelle emphasize the importance of self-care and setting boundaries in the face of workplace toxicity. They address the need to prioritize mental well-being, streamline work schedules, and find activities that bring joy and renewal. By focusing on doing good work and avoiding getting entangled in office politics, we can maintain a healthier balance and preserve our energy.
Throughout the episode, the hosts share personal experiences and insights on how to handle difficult situations with clients and colleagues. They stress the significance of recognizing what we can control and letting go of what we cannot, especially when faced with internal power struggles and conflicts.
Listeners are encouraged to prioritize their well-being, stay positive, and remain focused on their work amidst external stressors. 
Please join us for more discussions on "That Solo Life" and remember to share your stories and feedback with us at soloprpro.com. Thank you for tuning in, and until next time, take care and stay resilient in the face of life's challenges.
Episode Highlights
Navigating Work Challenges : 00:00:52-00:01:24
Challenges of Detachment : 00:01:39-00:01:49
Strategies for Self-Care : 00:04:25-00:05:18
Importance of Boundaries : 00:05:18-00:05:29
Finding Joy and Renewal : 00:06:03-00:07:49
Maintaining Focus on Good Work : 00:08:02-00:09:44
Dealing with Toxicity : 00:10:05-00:10:36
Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self : 00:11:05-00:11:16
Maintaining Positive Attitude : 00:13:37-00:13:48
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPR, @SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!]]></itunes:summary>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/disconnect-divisions-and-the-urgent-need-for-diligence-in-commmunication/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jul 2024 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 258:  Disconnect, Divisions and the Urgent Need for Diligence in Communication</p>
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim, APR tackle the profound impact of words in communication, particularly for PR and marketing professionals. </p>
<p>The conversation turns to the ethical considerations of communication, with both hosts highlighting the power and responsibility that come with crafting messages. They stress the significance of using words to inspire positive actions and foster connections, especially in a time marked by detachment and distrust in institutions. Karen and Michelle acknowledge the complexities faced by communicators in navigating a landscape where extremism and polarization are prevalent.</p>
<p>As the discussion unfolds, Michelle and Karen underscore the role of communicators in promoting inclusivity and equity through their messaging. They challenge the misconception that inclusive communication is a form of coddling, emphasizing that it requires skill and empathy to reach diverse audiences effectively. Despite the challenges posed by social media algorithms and societal divisions, the hosts express optimism about the transformative potential of ethical communication practices.</p>
<p>In a call to action, the hosts encourage listeners to prioritize self-care and seek joy outside of their professional roles to maintain mental well-being. They emphasize the importance of community support among communicators and invite listeners to share their experiences and insights. The episode concludes with a reminder to share the podcast with fellow professionals and engage with the hosts on social media platforms.</p>
<p>Listeners are left with a renewed sense of purpose and a deeper appreciation for the impact of words in shaping narratives, fostering connections, and driving positive change in the world of communication. "That Solo Life" continues to serve as a platform for meaningful discussions and insights for PR pros and marketers navigating the evolving landscape of communication.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:24 - The Power of Words and Ethical Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:06 - Impact of Detachment and Extremism on Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:54 - Challenges in Communication Amidst Social Isolation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:16 - Optimism and Commitment to Ethical Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:24 - Recognizing the Importance and Responsibility of Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:19 - Encouragement for Self-Care and Community Support</li>
</ul>
<p>Episode Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Fortune Article: ​​<a href='https://fortune.com/2024/07/10/welcome-to-the-great-detachment'>Welcome to ‘The Great Detachment’: Workers are checked out—and so are their bosses</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Heat’s Impact on the Brain: <ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/19/well/mind/heat-affect-brain-emotions.html'>How Heat Affects the Brain (NY Times)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.apa.org/monitor/2024/06/heat-affects-mental-health'>How heat affects the mind (American Psychological Association</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life  Episode 258:  Disconnect, Divisions and the Urgent Need for Diligence in Communication</p>
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim, APR tackle the profound impact of words in communication, particularly for PR and marketing professionals. </p>
<p>The conversation turns to the ethical considerations of communication, with both hosts highlighting the power and responsibility that come with crafting messages. They stress the significance of using words to inspire positive actions and foster connections, especially in a time marked by detachment and distrust in institutions. Karen and Michelle acknowledge the complexities faced by communicators in navigating a landscape where extremism and polarization are prevalent.</p>
<p>As the discussion unfolds, Michelle and Karen underscore the role of communicators in promoting inclusivity and equity through their messaging. They challenge the misconception that inclusive communication is a form of coddling, emphasizing that it requires skill and empathy to reach diverse audiences effectively. Despite the challenges posed by social media algorithms and societal divisions, the hosts express optimism about the transformative potential of ethical communication practices.</p>
<p>In a call to action, the hosts encourage listeners to prioritize self-care and seek joy outside of their professional roles to maintain mental well-being. They emphasize the importance of community support among communicators and invite listeners to share their experiences and insights. The episode concludes with a reminder to share the podcast with fellow professionals and engage with the hosts on social media platforms.</p>
<p>Listeners are left with a renewed sense of purpose and a deeper appreciation for the impact of words in shaping narratives, fostering connections, and driving positive change in the world of communication. "That Solo Life" continues to serve as a platform for meaningful discussions and insights for PR pros and marketers navigating the evolving landscape of communication.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:24 - The Power of Words and Ethical Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:06 - Impact of Detachment and Extremism on Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:54 - Challenges in Communication Amidst Social Isolation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:16 - Optimism and Commitment to Ethical Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:24 - Recognizing the Importance and Responsibility of Communication</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:15:19 - Encouragement for Self-Care and Community Support</li>
</ul>
<p>Episode Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Fortune Article: ​​<a href='https://fortune.com/2024/07/10/welcome-to-the-great-detachment'>Welcome to ‘The Great Detachment’: Workers are checked out—and so are their bosses</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Heat’s Impact on the Brain: <ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/19/well/mind/heat-affect-brain-emotions.html'>How Heat Affects the Brain (NY Times)</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.apa.org/monitor/2024/06/heat-affects-mental-health'>How heat affects the mind (American Psychological Association</a></li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>
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<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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In this Episode
<p>The practice of public relations is not for the faint of heart. Whether you are in-house or running your own shop, the work can be challenging. For Solo PR Pros, the challenges extend to ensuring that they sustain their livelihood while serving others. In today’s episode Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane, discuss the importance of protecting yourself and your business during times of instability.</p>
<p>Instability seems to be the new normal. The economy, political landscape, and climate are just a few of the many things that currently have us feeling like we are doing life on a wobble board. </p>
<p>As PR professionals, we recognize the need to be proactive in safeguarding our businesses. Michelle and Karen emphasize the importance of future-proofing our skills and staying ahead of industry trends. Adapting to changing client needs and exploring new service offerings are key strategies to weathering uncertain times.</p>
<p>The conversation delves into the evolving landscape of journalism and media relations, highlighting the challenges faced by professionals in these fields. The discussion turns to the impact of sensationalism and the decline of ethical journalism on public trust and the industry as a whole.</p>
<p>Despite the challenges, listeners are encouraged to stay engaged and seek opportunities for growth and innovation. By staying informed, adapting to change, and focusing on serving our audiences, we can navigate through the current malaise in the PR world.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:18 - Introduction to the Podcast
00:01:05 - Acknowledging Instability in the World
00:03:49 - Importance of Proactivity in Business
00:05:10 - Importance of Upskilling and Future-Proofing
00:07:07 - Paying Attention to Industry Trends
00:08:26 - Embracing Change and Career Shifts</p>
<p>00:10:55 - Concerns about Journalism Integrity
00:12:15 - Impact of Decline in Creative Arts
00:13:07 - Encouragement to Share and Connect</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 257: How PR Pros Can Stand Strong in Uncertain Times
In this Episode
<p>The practice of public relations is not for the faint of heart. Whether you are in-house or running your own shop, the work can be challenging. For Solo PR Pros, the challenges extend to ensuring that they sustain their livelihood while serving others. In today’s episode Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane, discuss the importance of protecting yourself and your business during times of instability.</p>
<p>Instability seems to be the new normal. The economy, political landscape, and climate are just a few of the many things that currently have us feeling like we are doing life on a wobble board. </p>
<p>As PR professionals, we recognize the need to be proactive in safeguarding our businesses. Michelle and Karen emphasize the importance of future-proofing our skills and staying ahead of industry trends. Adapting to changing client needs and exploring new service offerings are key strategies to weathering uncertain times.</p>
<p>The conversation delves into the evolving landscape of journalism and media relations, highlighting the challenges faced by professionals in these fields. The discussion turns to the impact of sensationalism and the decline of ethical journalism on public trust and the industry as a whole.</p>
<p>Despite the challenges, listeners are encouraged to stay engaged and seek opportunities for growth and innovation. By staying informed, adapting to change, and focusing on serving our audiences, we can navigate through the current malaise in the PR world.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:18 - Introduction to the Podcast<br>
00:01:05 - Acknowledging Instability in the World<br>
00:03:49 - Importance of Proactivity in Business<br>
00:05:10 - Importance of Upskilling and Future-Proofing<br>
00:07:07 - Paying Attention to Industry Trends<br>
00:08:26 - Embracing Change and Career Shifts</p>
<p>00:10:55 - Concerns about Journalism Integrity<br>
00:12:15 - Impact of Decline in Creative Arts<br>
00:13:07 - Encouragement to Share and Connect</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 256: PR ChallengesPost-Pandemic : Events, Energy Levels and Customer Service 
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim and Michelle Kane, discuss the various challenges and changes that the post-pandemic era has brought to the PR industry.</p>
<p>The pandemic had a significant impact on in-person events and interactions. The hosts discuss how shifting priorities, increased workloads, and changing interests have made it challenging to plan and attend events, leading to a reevaluation of traditional event strategies.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also touch upon the shift in energy levels post-pandemic, noting how many individuals feel more fatigued and less productive despite technological advancements. The conversation evolves into a reflection on the demise of hustle culture and the newfound emphasis on work-life balance.</p>
<p>The hosts also address the decline in customer service standards, both in the PR industry and beyond, highlighting instances where businesses have failed to prioritize customer satisfaction and individualized service.</p>
<p>In a quick round-up of current news, Michelle and Karen discuss the University of Texas at Austin's decision to lay off its communications and marketing team, as well as upcoming regulatory changes. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:24 - Challenges of Holding Events Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:39 - Impact of Pandemic on Energy Levels</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:57 - Shift in Work-Life Balance Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:18 - Reflections on Post-Pandemic Hustle Culture</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:05 - Decline in Customer Service Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:47 - Gen Z Job Seekers and Unusual Interview Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:48 - Beneficial Owner Filing Requirement</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:16:18 - Layoffs at University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:19:24 - Importance of PR Teams in Crisis Management</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 256: PR ChallengesPost-Pandemic : Events, Energy Levels and Customer Service 
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode, Karen Swim and Michelle Kane, discuss the various challenges and changes that the post-pandemic era has brought to the PR industry.</p>
<p>The pandemic had a significant impact on in-person events and interactions. The hosts discuss how shifting priorities, increased workloads, and changing interests have made it challenging to plan and attend events, leading to a reevaluation of traditional event strategies.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle also touch upon the shift in energy levels post-pandemic, noting how many individuals feel more fatigued and less productive despite technological advancements. The conversation evolves into a reflection on the demise of hustle culture and the newfound emphasis on work-life balance.</p>
<p>The hosts also address the decline in customer service standards, both in the PR industry and beyond, highlighting instances where businesses have failed to prioritize customer satisfaction and individualized service.</p>
<p>In a quick round-up of current news, Michelle and Karen discuss the University of Texas at Austin's decision to lay off its communications and marketing team, as well as upcoming regulatory changes. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:24 - Challenges of Holding Events Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:39 - Impact of Pandemic on Energy Levels</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:57 - Shift in Work-Life Balance Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:18 - Reflections on Post-Pandemic Hustle Culture</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:05 - Decline in Customer Service Post-Pandemic</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:12:47 - Gen Z Job Seekers and Unusual Interview Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:14:48 - Beneficial Owner Filing Requirement</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:16:18 - Layoffs at University of Texas at Austin</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:19:24 - Importance of PR Teams in Crisis Management</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 256: PR ChallengesPost-Pandemic : Events, Energy Levels and Customer Service 
In this Episode
 
In this episode, Karen Swim and Michelle Kane, discuss the various challenges and changes that the post-pandemic era has brought to the PR industry.
The pandemic had a significant impact on in-person events and interactions. The hosts discuss how shifting priorities, increased workloads, and changing interests have made it challenging to plan and attend events, leading to a reevaluation of traditional event strategies.
Karen and Michelle also touch upon the shift in energy levels post-pandemic, noting how many individuals feel more fatigued and less productive despite technological advancements. The conversation evolves into a reflection on the demise of hustle culture and the newfound emphasis on work-life balance.
The hosts also address the decline in customer service standards, both in the PR industry and beyond, highlighting instances where businesses have failed to prioritize customer satisfaction and individualized service.
In a quick round-up of current news, Michelle and Karen discuss the University of Texas at Austin's decision to lay off its communications and marketing team, as well as upcoming regulatory changes. 
Episode Timeline:
00:02:24 - Challenges of Holding Events Post-Pandemic
00:04:39 - Impact of Pandemic on Energy Levels
00:06:57 - Shift in Work-Life Balance Post-Pandemic
00:09:18 - Reflections on Post-Pandemic Hustle Culture
00:11:05 - Decline in Customer Service Post-Pandemic
00:12:47 - Gen Z Job Seekers and Unusual Interview Practices
00:14:48 - Beneficial Owner Filing Requirement
00:16:18 - Layoffs at University of Texas at Austin
00:19:24 - Importance of PR Teams in Crisis Management
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPR, @SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 255:  The Powerful Reasons PR Pros Must Vet Everything
 
In this Episode
<p>In episode 255 of “That Solo Life,” Karen Swim and  Michelle Kane discuss the role of vetting in public relations, and the need to thoroughly research clients, client partners, collaborators and more.</p>
<p>The hosts discussed how the recent news of Justin Timberlake's DWI arrest highlighted how one misstep can bring up a person's entire history of mistakes. The incident serves as a reminder of the significance of vigorously researching individuals or organizations before committing to work with them or to work with your clients.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the need for due diligence in researching the history and reputation of any person or organization before entering into a relationship. This also applies to any information that you might share from a third party such as quotes or data studies. PR Pros must be fully informed to protect their consultantices. and clients.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts stress the value of preparation and being proactive in anticipating any potential issues that may arise from working with certain clients or partners. Karen and Michelle share personal experiences of discovering problematic histories of individuals they previously supported and the importance of learning from those instances.</p>
<p>Additionally, the hosts discuss the benefits of seeking insights from PR colleagues or industry peers when vetting prospects, as they can provide valuable information and warnings based on their experiences. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Weather Chit-Chat</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:26 - Importance of Vetting Prospects</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:03 - Learning from Justin Timberlake 's DWI Incident</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:21 - Being Prepared for Potential Fallout</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:39 - Second Chances and Being Informed</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:11 - Impact of Unprepared Responses in Media</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:20 - Reflecting on Past Mistakes in Sharing Information</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:18 - Seeking References and Insights from PR Colleagues</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:46 - Evaluating Opportunities and Self-Reflection</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:17 - Role of PR in Guarding Against Risk</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:43 - Wrapping Up and Summer Plans</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 255:  The Powerful Reasons PR Pros Must Vet Everything
 
In this Episode
<p>In episode 255 of “That Solo Life,” Karen Swim and  Michelle Kane discuss the role of vetting in public relations, and the need to thoroughly research clients, client partners, collaborators and more.</p>
<p>The hosts discussed how the recent news of Justin Timberlake's DWI arrest highlighted how one misstep can bring up a person's entire history of mistakes. The incident serves as a reminder of the significance of vigorously researching individuals or organizations before committing to work with them or to work with your clients.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle emphasize the need for due diligence in researching the history and reputation of any person or organization before entering into a relationship. This also applies to any information that you might share from a third party such as quotes or data studies. PR Pros must be fully informed to protect their consultantices. and clients.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts stress the value of preparation and being proactive in anticipating any potential issues that may arise from working with certain clients or partners. Karen and Michelle share personal experiences of discovering problematic histories of individuals they previously supported and the importance of learning from those instances.</p>
<p>Additionally, the hosts discuss the benefits of seeking insights from PR colleagues or industry peers when vetting prospects, as they can provide valuable information and warnings based on their experiences. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:00:00 - Introduction and Weather Chit-Chat</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:26 - Importance of Vetting Prospects</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:03 - Learning from Justin Timberlake 's DWI Incident</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:03:21 - Being Prepared for Potential Fallout</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:39 - Second Chances and Being Informed</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:06:11 - Impact of Unprepared Responses in Media</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:20 - Reflecting on Past Mistakes in Sharing Information</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:18 - Seeking References and Insights from PR Colleagues</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:46 - Evaluating Opportunities and Self-Reflection</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:17 - Role of PR in Guarding Against Risk</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:43 - Wrapping Up and Summer Plans</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 255:  The Powerful Reasons PR Pros Must Vet Everything
 
In this Episode
In episode 255 of “That Solo Life,” Karen Swim and  Michelle Kane discuss the role of vetting in public relations, and the need to thoroughly research clients, client partners, collaborators and more.
The hosts discussed how the recent news of Justin Timberlake's DWI arrest highlighted how one misstep can bring up a person's entire history of mistakes. The incident serves as a reminder of the significance of vigorously researching individuals or organizations before committing to work with them or to work with your clients.
Karen and Michelle emphasize the need for due diligence in researching the history and reputation of any person or organization before entering into a relationship. This also applies to any information that you might share from a third party such as quotes or data studies. PR Pros must be fully informed to protect their consultantices. and clients.
Throughout the episode, the hosts stress the value of preparation and being proactive in anticipating any potential issues that may arise from working with certain clients or partners. Karen and Michelle share personal experiences of discovering problematic histories of individuals they previously supported and the importance of learning from those instances.
Additionally, the hosts discuss the benefits of seeking insights from PR colleagues or industry peers when vetting prospects, as they can provide valuable information and warnings based on their experiences. 
Episode Timeline:
00:00:00 - Introduction and Weather Chit-Chat
00:01:26 - Importance of Vetting Prospects
00:02:03 - Learning from Justin Timberlake 's DWI Incident
00:03:21 - Being Prepared for Potential Fallout
00:04:39 - Second Chances and Being Informed
00:06:11 - Impact of Unprepared Responses in Media
00:07:20 - Reflecting on Past Mistakes in Sharing Information
00:08:18 - Seeking References and Insights from PR Colleagues
00:09:46 - Evaluating Opportunities and Self-Reflection
00:11:17 - Role of PR in Guarding Against Risk
00:11:43 - Wrapping Up and Summer Plans
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 254:  The Work of Diversity - A Conversation with Anetra Henry
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Anetra Henry, Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations joins Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane on today’s episode of “That Solo Life.” Anetra is a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru, known for her expertise in research and advocacy for diversity and inclusion.</p>
<p>The episode delved into a recent study, led by Anetra, "Collaborators for Change," which focused on the relationship between Chief Communications Officers (CCOs) and Chief Diversity Officers (CDOs) in organizations. Anetra shared the spark that led to the research, highlighting the importance of understanding how these executives work together, especially during times of crisis.</p>
<p>Anetra discussed the obstacles faced during the study, including challenges in recruiting CDOs due to external factors like legislation targeting diversity initiatives. She emphasized the need for empathy and understanding in conducting the interviews, as participants shared personal stories and fears about the future of their work.</p>
<p>The conversation also touched on key takeaways from the study, such as the importance of clear communication between CCOs and CDOs, the impact of diversity fatigue, and the need for organizations to define and prioritize diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives.</p>
<p>Anetra shared her personal reflections on conducting the study, highlighting the emotional impact of hearing participants' stories and fears. She emphasized the importance of empathy and the need for continued efforts in diversity and inclusion work.</p>
<p>Looking ahead, Anetra expressed hope for the future of CDOs, emphasizing the importance of continued progress and rebranding of diversity initiatives. She discussed potential future studies and the need for ongoing support and advocacy for diversity and inclusion in organizations.</p>
<p>This episode provided valuable insights into the complex relationship between CCOs and CDOs, highlighting the challenges and opportunities in advancing diversity and inclusion efforts within organizations. </p>
<p>About Anetra Henry</p>
<p>Anetra Henry is not your typical public relations and marketing professional. She's a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru. As the Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations (IPR), she continues to make waves with her expertise and contributions to research.</p>
<p>Anetra's influence extends beyond her role at IPR. She's a sought-after speaker at industry conferences and events, where she shares her insights and expertise. Through her published articles, thought leadership pieces, and active participation in industry forums, she consistently contributes to the advancement of the field. Her dedication to excellence doesn't stop at the office door. She's a tireless advocate for diversity and inclusion, working hard to create opportunities for underrepresented voices and championing initiatives that foster inclusivity.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Introduction of Anetra Henry : 00:00:14</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Spark for the Collaborators for Change Study : 00:02:21</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Obstacles Faced in Conducting the Study : 00:04:21</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Key Takeaways from the Study : 00:09:35</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Insights into What 's Working and Recommendations for Improvement: 00:15:10</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Personal Impact of Conducting the Research : 00:28:28</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Future of Chief Diversity Officers : 00:34:30</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Possibility of Longitudinal Study : 00:41:06</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Closing Remarks and Thank You : 00:43:19</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://instituteforpr.org/ipr-cco-cdo/'>Download: Collaborators for Change Study</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-costly-business-of-discrimination/'>The Costly Business of Discrimination</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Anetra Henry!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Anetra Henry, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/anetrahenry/'>LinkedIn </a>or <a href='https://www.instagram.com/anetrahenry'>Instagram.</a></p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 254:  The Work of Diversity - A Conversation with Anetra Henry
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>Anetra Henry, Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations joins Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane on today’s episode of “That Solo Life.” Anetra is a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru, known for her expertise in research and advocacy for diversity and inclusion.</p>
<p>The episode delved into a recent study, led by Anetra, "Collaborators for Change," which focused on the relationship between Chief Communications Officers (CCOs) and Chief Diversity Officers (CDOs) in organizations. Anetra shared the spark that led to the research, highlighting the importance of understanding how these executives work together, especially during times of crisis.</p>
<p>Anetra discussed the obstacles faced during the study, including challenges in recruiting CDOs due to external factors like legislation targeting diversity initiatives. She emphasized the need for empathy and understanding in conducting the interviews, as participants shared personal stories and fears about the future of their work.</p>
<p>The conversation also touched on key takeaways from the study, such as the importance of clear communication between CCOs and CDOs, the impact of diversity fatigue, and the need for organizations to define and prioritize diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives.</p>
<p>Anetra shared her personal reflections on conducting the study, highlighting the emotional impact of hearing participants' stories and fears. She emphasized the importance of empathy and the need for continued efforts in diversity and inclusion work.</p>
<p>Looking ahead, Anetra expressed hope for the future of CDOs, emphasizing the importance of continued progress and rebranding of diversity initiatives. She discussed potential future studies and the need for ongoing support and advocacy for diversity and inclusion in organizations.</p>
<p>This episode provided valuable insights into the complex relationship between CCOs and CDOs, highlighting the challenges and opportunities in advancing diversity and inclusion efforts within organizations. </p>
<p>About Anetra Henry</p>
<p>Anetra Henry is not your typical public relations and marketing professional. She's a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru. As the Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations (IPR), she continues to make waves with her expertise and contributions to research.</p>
<p>Anetra's influence extends beyond her role at IPR. She's a sought-after speaker at industry conferences and events, where she shares her insights and expertise. Through her published articles, thought leadership pieces, and active participation in industry forums, she consistently contributes to the advancement of the field. Her dedication to excellence doesn't stop at the office door. She's a tireless advocate for diversity and inclusion, working hard to create opportunities for underrepresented voices and championing initiatives that foster inclusivity.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Introduction of Anetra Henry : 00:00:14</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Spark for the Collaborators for Change Study : 00:02:21</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Obstacles Faced in Conducting the Study : 00:04:21</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Key Takeaways from the Study : 00:09:35</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Insights into What 's Working and Recommendations for Improvement: 00:15:10</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Personal Impact of Conducting the Research : 00:28:28</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Future of Chief Diversity Officers : 00:34:30</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Possibility of Longitudinal Study : 00:41:06</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Closing Remarks and Thank You : 00:43:19</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://instituteforpr.org/ipr-cco-cdo/'>Download: Collaborators for Change Study</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-costly-business-of-discrimination/'>The Costly Business of Discrimination</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Say Thanks to Anetra Henry!</p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Anetra Henry, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/anetrahenry/'>LinkedIn </a>or <a href='https://www.instagram.com/anetrahenry'>Instagram.</a></p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can also watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 254:  The Work of Diversity - A Conversation with Anetra Henry
 
In this Episode
 
Anetra Henry, Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations joins Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane on today’s episode of “That Solo Life.” Anetra is a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru, known for her expertise in research and advocacy for diversity and inclusion.
The episode delved into a recent study, led by Anetra, "Collaborators for Change," which focused on the relationship between Chief Communications Officers (CCOs) and Chief Diversity Officers (CDOs) in organizations. Anetra shared the spark that led to the research, highlighting the importance of understanding how these executives work together, especially during times of crisis.
Anetra discussed the obstacles faced during the study, including challenges in recruiting CDOs due to external factors like legislation targeting diversity initiatives. She emphasized the need for empathy and understanding in conducting the interviews, as participants shared personal stories and fears about the future of their work.
The conversation also touched on key takeaways from the study, such as the importance of clear communication between CCOs and CDOs, the impact of diversity fatigue, and the need for organizations to define and prioritize diversity, equity, and inclusion initiatives.
Anetra shared her personal reflections on conducting the study, highlighting the emotional impact of hearing participants' stories and fears. She emphasized the importance of empathy and the need for continued efforts in diversity and inclusion work.
Looking ahead, Anetra expressed hope for the future of CDOs, emphasizing the importance of continued progress and rebranding of diversity initiatives. She discussed potential future studies and the need for ongoing support and advocacy for diversity and inclusion in organizations.
This episode provided valuable insights into the complex relationship between CCOs and CDOs, highlighting the challenges and opportunities in advancing diversity and inclusion efforts within organizations. 
About Anetra Henry
Anetra Henry is not your typical public relations and marketing professional. She's a passionate storyteller and strategic messaging guru. As the Senior Director of Strategic Initiatives at the Institute for Public Relations (IPR), she continues to make waves with her expertise and contributions to research.
Anetra's influence extends beyond her role at IPR. She's a sought-after speaker at industry conferences and events, where she shares her insights and expertise. Through her published articles, thought leadership pieces, and active participation in industry forums, she consistently contributes to the advancement of the field. Her dedication to excellence doesn't stop at the office door. She's a tireless advocate for diversity and inclusion, working hard to create opportunities for underrepresented voices and championing initiatives that foster inclusivity.
Episode Timeline
Introduction of Anetra Henry : 00:00:14
Spark for the Collaborators for Change Study : 00:02:21
Obstacles Faced in Conducting the Study : 00:04:21
Key Takeaways from the Study : 00:09:35
Insights into What 's Working and Recommendations for Improvement: 00:15:10
Personal Impact of Conducting the Research : 00:28:28
Future of Chief Diversity Officers : 00:34:30
Possibility of Longitudinal Study : 00:41:06
Closing Remarks and Thank You : 00:43:19
Resources:
Download: Collaborators for Change Study
The Costly Business of Discrimination
Enjoyed the episode? 
Please leave a review here - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (@SoloPR, @SoloPRPro) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!
Say Thanks to Anetra Henry!
If you liked this episode with Anetra Henry, please say thanks on LinkedIn or Instagram.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 253:  The PR Measurement Strategy You Need to Grow
 
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim discuss another side of measurement in the PR industry. While measurement discussions typically focus on client work, Karen and Michelle talk about the importance of tracking tactics and metrics within your own Solo PR Pro business.</p>
<p>Karen emphasizes the tendency of PR professionals to prioritize client success over their own business metrics. She stresses the importance of tracking financial metrics to identify the most profitable clients and types of work. The discussion shifts to the need for measuring time spent on tasks to determine efficiency and profitability accurately.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the pitfalls of focusing on the wrong metrics, referencing a study on B2B marketers who invested in the wrong areas due to misaligned measurements. They stress the importance of creating a sense of community and fostering word-of-mouth referrals for business growth. Michelle and Karen underscore the need for PR professionals to measure their efforts in writing, pitching, and media relations to enhance skill sets and improve success rates.</p>
<p>The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to incorporate regular measurement practices into their solo PR businesses. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:10 - Importance of Measuring Tactics in Business</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:51 - Tracking Financial Metrics and Time Allocation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:30 - Importance of Measuring for Mastery</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:26 - Focusing on the Right Metrics for Growth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:27 - Creating Community and Word of Mouth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:26 - Importance of Regular Measurement Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:03 - Improving Success Rate and Time Management</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:36 - Pledging to Incorporate Measurement Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:19 - Encouragement for Listener Engagement</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://blog.rescuetime.com/the-most-productive-part-of-the-day/'>RescueTime: The Most Productive Part of the Day</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.swordandthescript.com/2024/05/b2b-customer-marketing/'>Sword and the Script: Pair of surveys show why B2B tech needs to work on their customer marketing efforts</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 253:  The PR Measurement Strategy You Need to Grow
 
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim discuss another side of measurement in the PR industry. While measurement discussions typically focus on client work, Karen and Michelle talk about the importance of tracking tactics and metrics within your own Solo PR Pro business.</p>
<p>Karen emphasizes the tendency of PR professionals to prioritize client success over their own business metrics. She stresses the importance of tracking financial metrics to identify the most profitable clients and types of work. The discussion shifts to the need for measuring time spent on tasks to determine efficiency and profitability accurately.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the pitfalls of focusing on the wrong metrics, referencing a study on B2B marketers who invested in the wrong areas due to misaligned measurements. They stress the importance of creating a sense of community and fostering word-of-mouth referrals for business growth. Michelle and Karen underscore the need for PR professionals to measure their efforts in writing, pitching, and media relations to enhance skill sets and improve success rates.</p>
<p>The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to incorporate regular measurement practices into their solo PR businesses. </p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:10 - Importance of Measuring Tactics in Business</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:51 - Tracking Financial Metrics and Time Allocation</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:04:30 - Importance of Measuring for Mastery</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:26 - Focusing on the Right Metrics for Growth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:07:27 - Creating Community and Word of Mouth</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:26 - Importance of Regular Measurement Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:09:03 - Improving Success Rate and Time Management</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:10:36 - Pledging to Incorporate Measurement Practices</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:19 - Encouragement for Listener Engagement</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://blog.rescuetime.com/the-most-productive-part-of-the-day/'>RescueTime: The Most Productive Part of the Day</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.swordandthescript.com/2024/05/b2b-customer-marketing/'>Sword and the Script: Pair of surveys show why B2B tech needs to work on their customer marketing efforts</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 252: Happy Everything, What We Get Wrong About Holiday Messaging
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane reflect on Memorial Day and discuss the importance of thoughtful messaging around holidays. Michelle and Karen discuss the post-Memorial Day weekend vibes and the common trend of using "happy" in front of every holiday, including somber ones like Memorial Day.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the need for more conscientious messaging, honoring the historical context of holidays. Karen and Michelle reflect on the role of PR professionals in preserving the spirit of important holidays and their role in protecting the essence of celebrations beyond commercialization. They reflect on how holidays like St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo have been reduced to mere drinking festivities, losing sight of their cultural significance.</p>
<p>This episode serves as a poignant reminder to PR professionals and marketers to approach holiday messaging with sensitivity, respect, and a deeper understanding of the historical and cultural significance behind each celebration. Through their insightful discussion, Michelle and Karen underscore the importance of upholding traditions and honoring the true meaning of holidays in our communications.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on Memorial Day Messaging
00:05:30 - Importance of Honoring Fallen Soldiers
00:08:06 - Examples of Proper Memorial Day Messaging
00:09:20 - Call to Action for PR Professionals to Protect Holiday Celebrations
00:10:45 - Discussion on St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo Traditions
00:11:18 - Reminder for Considerate Fourth of July Celebrations</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 252: Happy Everything, What We Get Wrong About Holiday Messaging
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts Karen Swim and Michelle Kane reflect on Memorial Day and discuss the importance of thoughtful messaging around holidays. Michelle and Karen discuss the post-Memorial Day weekend vibes and the common trend of using "happy" in front of every holiday, including somber ones like Memorial Day.</p>
<p>The hosts discuss the need for more conscientious messaging, honoring the historical context of holidays. Karen and Michelle reflect on the role of PR professionals in preserving the spirit of important holidays and their role in protecting the essence of celebrations beyond commercialization. They reflect on how holidays like St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo have been reduced to mere drinking festivities, losing sight of their cultural significance.</p>
<p>This episode serves as a poignant reminder to PR professionals and marketers to approach holiday messaging with sensitivity, respect, and a deeper understanding of the historical and cultural significance behind each celebration. Through their insightful discussion, Michelle and Karen underscore the importance of upholding traditions and honoring the true meaning of holidays in our communications.</p>
<p>Episode Timeline:</p>
<p>00:00:00 - Introduction and Discussion on Memorial Day Messaging<br>
00:05:30 - Importance of Honoring Fallen Soldiers<br>
00:08:06 - Examples of Proper Memorial Day Messaging<br>
00:09:20 - Call to Action for PR Professionals to Protect Holiday Celebrations<br>
00:10:45 - Discussion on St. Patrick's Day and Cinco de Mayo Traditions<br>
00:11:18 - Reminder for Considerate Fourth of July Celebrations</p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 251: Finding Balance And Minimizing Burnout In A Chaotic World
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the topic of navigating fatigue and finding balance in the midst of global stressors and personal challenges. This Mental Health Awareness Month episode kicks off with a discussion about the impact of external factors such as the pandemic, economic instability, and political tensions on individuals' energy levels and overall well-being.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle reflect on the collective exhaustion felt by many in 2024, highlighting the ongoing effects of the pandemic and the relentless stream of stressors that continue to weigh on people. They emphasize the importance of recognizing and addressing burnout, citing articles that discuss how work environments can contribute to physical and mental health issues.</p>
<p>The conversation shifts to the changing landscape of work post-pandemic, with Karen and Michelle acknowledging the need for individuals to reassess their priorities and boundaries. They explore the challenges of returning to office work, the impact of technological advancements, and the importance of self-care practices in maintaining resilience.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle offer practical tips for managing stress and prioritizing well-being. They emphasize the significance of self-care routines, healthy eating habits, and coping mechanisms such as deep breathing and mindfulness. The hosts encourage listeners to set boundaries, prioritize their mental and physical health, and recognize the value of saying no to commitments that do not align with their well-being.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, Karen and Michelle underscore the importance of self-awareness and self-compassion in navigating the complexities of modern life. They challenge listeners to prioritize their own needs and to approach each day with a sense of balance and grace. The hosts invite feedback from the audience and share resources available on the Solo PR Pro website to support listeners in building their businesses and maintaining personal well-being.</p>
<p>Tune in to "That Solo Life" for insightful discussions, practical tips, and inspiring conversations on navigating the challenges of solo entrepreneurship and finding balance in a fast-paced world.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<p> 00:01:19 - Global Fatigue and Burnout
 00:04:01 - Shift in Work Dynamics
 00:05:27 - Uncertainty and Event Attendance
 00:09:48 - Frustrations with Corporate Expectations
 00:10:09 - Self-Care and Well-being Practices
 00:12:02 - Managing Energy and Reactions
 00:13:09 - Embracing Grace and Understanding Sensitivities
 00:16:05 - Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self-Care
 00:17:05 - Finding Balance and Self-Awareness
 00:18:09 - Encouragement to Prioritize Self-Care and Share the Podcast</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help'>National Institute of Mental Health - Support and Resources</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://988lifeline.org/chat/'>988 Suicide &amp; Crisis Lifeline - Online Chat</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/burnout/art-20046642'>Job burnout: How to spot it and take action</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-to-know-about-work-burnout'>Work Burnout: How It Affects Your Mental Health</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 251: Finding Balance And Minimizing Burnout In A Chaotic World
In this Episode
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," co-hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane delve into the topic of navigating fatigue and finding balance in the midst of global stressors and personal challenges. This Mental Health Awareness Month episode kicks off with a discussion about the impact of external factors such as the pandemic, economic instability, and political tensions on individuals' energy levels and overall well-being.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle reflect on the collective exhaustion felt by many in 2024, highlighting the ongoing effects of the pandemic and the relentless stream of stressors that continue to weigh on people. They emphasize the importance of recognizing and addressing burnout, citing articles that discuss how work environments can contribute to physical and mental health issues.</p>
<p>The conversation shifts to the changing landscape of work post-pandemic, with Karen and Michelle acknowledging the need for individuals to reassess their priorities and boundaries. They explore the challenges of returning to office work, the impact of technological advancements, and the importance of self-care practices in maintaining resilience.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Karen and Michelle offer practical tips for managing stress and prioritizing well-being. They emphasize the significance of self-care routines, healthy eating habits, and coping mechanisms such as deep breathing and mindfulness. The hosts encourage listeners to set boundaries, prioritize their mental and physical health, and recognize the value of saying no to commitments that do not align with their well-being.</p>
<p>As the episode concludes, Karen and Michelle underscore the importance of self-awareness and self-compassion in navigating the complexities of modern life. They challenge listeners to prioritize their own needs and to approach each day with a sense of balance and grace. The hosts invite feedback from the audience and share resources available on the Solo PR Pro website to support listeners in building their businesses and maintaining personal well-being.</p>
<p>Tune in to "That Solo Life" for insightful discussions, practical tips, and inspiring conversations on navigating the challenges of solo entrepreneurship and finding balance in a fast-paced world.</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<p> 00:01:19 - Global Fatigue and Burnout<br>
 00:04:01 - Shift in Work Dynamics<br>
 00:05:27 - Uncertainty and Event Attendance<br>
 00:09:48 - Frustrations with Corporate Expectations<br>
 00:10:09 - Self-Care and Well-being Practices<br>
 00:12:02 - Managing Energy and Reactions<br>
 00:13:09 - Embracing Grace and Understanding Sensitivities<br>
 00:16:05 - Setting Boundaries and Prioritizing Self-Care<br>
 00:17:05 - Finding Balance and Self-Awareness<br>
 00:18:09 - Encouragement to Prioritize Self-Care and Share the Podcast</p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/find-help'>National Institute of Mental Health - Support and Resources</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://988lifeline.org/chat/'>988 Suicide &amp; Crisis Lifeline - Online Chat</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/adult-health/in-depth/burnout/art-20046642'>Job burnout: How to spot it and take action</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/what-to-know-about-work-burnout'>Work Burnout: How It Affects Your Mental Health</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to another episode of That Solo Life, where we dive into the world of PR and marketing for independent professionals. In this episode, we discuss the power of personal branding in the PR industry.</p>
<p>Publicists have recently been in the spotlight, from the Oscars to various articles highlighting their work. This recognition serves as a reminder for solo PR professionals like us to also focus on promoting ourselves, not just our clients.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle delve into the importance of personal branding and how it can impact our businesses. While some may feel uncomfortable with self-promotion, they emphasize the need to market your skills and expertise in order to attract clients and stand out in a competitive industry.</p>
<p>The discussion offers  practical tips for building a personal brand, from updating headshots to engaging on platforms like LinkedIn. We stress the value of sharing our knowledge and experiences, whether through writing articles, speaking engagements, or social media posts.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to another episode of That Solo Life, where we dive into the world of PR and marketing for independent professionals. In this episode, we discuss the power of personal branding in the PR industry.</p>
<p>Publicists have recently been in the spotlight, from the Oscars to various articles highlighting their work. This recognition serves as a reminder for solo PR professionals like us to also focus on promoting ourselves, not just our clients.</p>
<p>Karen and Michelle delve into the importance of personal branding and how it can impact our businesses. While some may feel uncomfortable with self-promotion, they emphasize the need to market your skills and expertise in order to attract clients and stand out in a competitive industry.</p>
<p>The discussion offers  practical tips for building a personal brand, from updating headshots to engaging on platforms like LinkedIn. We stress the value of sharing our knowledge and experiences, whether through writing articles, speaking engagements, or social media posts.</p>
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That Solo Life, Episode 249: How to Avoid the Dreaded Reviewer's Remorse
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," Karen and Michelle dive into the common struggle of "reviewer's remorse" that many PR pros, marketers, and communicators face when working with clients. They discuss the frustration of finalizing a project, only to have last-minute changes or new reviewers throw a wrench into the process.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>They  emphasize the importance of establishing a clear review process with clients, setting expectations early on, and limiting the number of reviewers to essential personnel. They also highlight the significance of trust between the client and the solo PR professional, ensuring that the end goal and messaging align seamlessly.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts stress the need for open communication, patience, and understanding when dealing with clients experiencing reviewer's remorse. Karen and Michelle discuss the need to provide practical tips, such as creating a document workflow process, setting clear review criteria, and allowing sufficient time for discussion and revisions.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>With personal anecdotes and insights, the episode aims to help fellow solo professionals streamline their review processes, minimize last-minute changes, and build stronger relationships with their clients. Tune in and let’s navigate the complexities of client feedback and strive to deliver the best possible outcomes in our solo careers. </p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:01:19 - Reviewers' Remorse Discussion</p>
<p>00:04:09 - Minimizing Reviewers' Remorse Occurrence</p>
<p>00:07:04 - Digging for Core Issues</p>
<p>00:10:27 - Importance of Trust in the Review Process</p>
<p>00:11:29 - Considerations for Printed Pieces</p>
<p>00:11:52 - Limiting Number of Reviewers</p>
<p>00:13:18 - Streamlining Feedback and Input</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> </p>
That Solo Life, Episode 249: How to Avoid the Dreaded Reviewer's Remorse
<p> </p>
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>In this episode of "That Solo Life," Karen and Michelle dive into the common struggle of "reviewer's remorse" that many PR pros, marketers, and communicators face when working with clients. They discuss the frustration of finalizing a project, only to have last-minute changes or new reviewers throw a wrench into the process.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>They  emphasize the importance of establishing a clear review process with clients, setting expectations early on, and limiting the number of reviewers to essential personnel. They also highlight the significance of trust between the client and the solo PR professional, ensuring that the end goal and messaging align seamlessly.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Throughout the episode, the hosts stress the need for open communication, patience, and understanding when dealing with clients experiencing reviewer's remorse. Karen and Michelle discuss the need to provide practical tips, such as creating a document workflow process, setting clear review criteria, and allowing sufficient time for discussion and revisions.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>With personal anecdotes and insights, the episode aims to help fellow solo professionals streamline their review processes, minimize last-minute changes, and build stronger relationships with their clients. Tune in and let’s navigate the complexities of client feedback and strive to deliver the best possible outcomes in our solo careers. </p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<p> </p>
<p>00:01:19 - Reviewers' Remorse Discussion</p>
<p>00:04:09 - Minimizing Reviewers' Remorse Occurrence</p>
<p>00:07:04 - Digging for Core Issues</p>
<p>00:10:27 - Importance of Trust in the Review Process</p>
<p>00:11:29 - Considerations for Printed Pieces</p>
<p>00:11:52 - Limiting Number of Reviewers</p>
<p>00:13:18 - Streamlining Feedback and Input</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 248
The New Balancing Act of Communication
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>It’s a balancing act! Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, of Voice Matters dive into the challenging topic of addressing current social and political conflicts in the workplace. The episode opens with a discussion about the ongoing Israeli-Gaza conflict and the protests happening across the United States, setting the stage for a conversation on how communication professionals can guide their clients through navigating these complex issues.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation also touches on the evolving role of public relations professionals in shaping conversations and promoting sanity in communication. Throughout the episode, we highlight the importance of maintaining open dialogue, fostering mutual respect, and creating safe spaces for discussions on contentious issues. </p>
<p>As you listen, we hope that you will gain valuable insights and practical advice to help you face the complexities of addressing social and political conflicts in today's world.</p>
<p>

</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:05 - Addressing Current Conflicts : Discussion of the Israeli-Gaza conflict and protests in the United States.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:33 - Navigating Conversations in the Workplace : What PR Pros can do to guide clients through addressing conflicts in the workplace.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:19 - Misinterpretation of Company Statements : Discussion on how people interpret company statements and the need for clear communication.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:48 - Importance of Context in Communication : The hosts emphasize the importance of context in communication and avoiding misinterpretations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:55 - Living Out Mission, Vision, and Values : Michelle and Karen stress the importance of companies aligning actions with their mission, vision, and values.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:55 - Asserting Professional Counsel : The hosts encourage communication professionals to assert themselves and provide professional counsel in challenging situations.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/cultural-intelligence-in-communications/'>Cultural Intelligence in Communications</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 248
The New Balancing Act of Communication
In this Episode
<p> </p>
<p>It’s a balancing act! Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, of Voice Matters dive into the challenging topic of addressing current social and political conflicts in the workplace. The episode opens with a discussion about the ongoing Israeli-Gaza conflict and the protests happening across the United States, setting the stage for a conversation on how communication professionals can guide their clients through navigating these complex issues.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>The conversation also touches on the evolving role of public relations professionals in shaping conversations and promoting sanity in communication. Throughout the episode, we highlight the importance of maintaining open dialogue, fostering mutual respect, and creating safe spaces for discussions on contentious issues. </p>
<p>As you listen, we hope that you will gain valuable insights and practical advice to help you face the complexities of addressing social and political conflicts in today's world.</p>
<p><br>
<br>
</p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">00:01:05 - Addressing Current Conflicts : Discussion of the Israeli-Gaza conflict and protests in the United States.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:02:33 - Navigating Conversations in the Workplace : What PR Pros can do to guide clients through addressing conflicts in the workplace.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:05:19 - Misinterpretation of Company Statements : Discussion on how people interpret company statements and the need for clear communication.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:08:48 - Importance of Context in Communication : The hosts emphasize the importance of context in communication and avoiding misinterpretations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:11:55 - Living Out Mission, Vision, and Values : Michelle and Karen stress the importance of companies aligning actions with their mission, vision, and values.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">00:13:55 - Asserting Professional Counsel : The hosts encourage communication professionals to assert themselves and provide professional counsel in challenging situations.</li>
</ul>
<p> </p>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://soloprpro.com/cultural-intelligence-in-communications/'>Cultural Intelligence in Communications</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 247
Everything Old is New Again
In this Episode
<p>Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, of Voice Matters delve into the importance of getting back to basics in our PR and marketing businesses.</p>
<p>Today’s  conversation is sparked by an email from Peter Shankman, the founder of the original "Help a Reporter Out" platform, which was eventually sold to a large corporation. Shankman has now launched a new platform called "Help Every Reporter Out," and in his announcement he shared his “back to basics” inspiration and how it led him to return to something he was no longer doing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As PR professionals, we often find ourselves constantly reinventing our workflows, tools, and client work in an effort to keep up with the ever-evolving industry. But new is not always better. Sometimes returning the old things can improve not only how we do our jobs but how we feel about them. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>We delve into the topic of technology, staying true to our natural skill sets and passions in our careers, and how the basics include having a supportive community of fellow professionals. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">[00:00:18] - Old but new. The value of getting back to basics and the importance of realigning and retooling.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:02:09] - Be a hero.  How Peter Shankman, Help Every Reporter Out inspired us to be a hero to ourselves by focusing on our areas of expertise.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:05:04] - Reevaluating Tools and Subscriptions. All the shiny new tools hold so much promise and you can accumulate a pile of clutter. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:09:35] - Recognizing Natural Skillsets. It is important to recognize and focus on your natural skillsets and passions in order to maintain satisfaction and success in a career.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:10:29] - Scaling Back for Success. Karen and Michelle discuss the idea of scaling back team members or business models to maintain a manageable workload and find fulfillment in solo work.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Help Every Reporter Out (HERO) - <a href='https://helpeveryreporter.com/'>free sign-up for PR Pros and Journalists</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Back to basics in your business model -<a href='https://soloprpro.com/scale-agency-back-solo-pr/'>From Solo PR to Agency and Back Again</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 247
Everything Old is New Again
In this Episode
<p>Karen Swim, APR, of Solo PR, and Michelle Kane, of Voice Matters delve into the importance of getting back to basics in our PR and marketing businesses.</p>
<p>Today’s  conversation is sparked by an email from Peter Shankman, the founder of the original "Help a Reporter Out" platform, which was eventually sold to a large corporation. Shankman has now launched a new platform called "Help Every Reporter Out," and in his announcement he shared his “back to basics” inspiration and how it led him to return to something he was no longer doing.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>As PR professionals, we often find ourselves constantly reinventing our workflows, tools, and client work in an effort to keep up with the ever-evolving industry. But new is not always better. Sometimes returning the old things can improve not only how we do our jobs but how we feel about them. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>We delve into the topic of technology, staying true to our natural skill sets and passions in our careers, and how the basics include having a supportive community of fellow professionals. </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Highlights:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">[00:00:18] - Old but new. The value of getting back to basics and the importance of realigning and retooling.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:02:09] - Be a hero.  How Peter Shankman, Help Every Reporter Out inspired us to be a hero to ourselves by focusing on our areas of expertise.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:05:04] - Reevaluating Tools and Subscriptions. All the shiny new tools hold so much promise and you can accumulate a pile of clutter. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:09:35] - Recognizing Natural Skillsets. It is important to recognize and focus on your natural skillsets and passions in order to maintain satisfaction and success in a career.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[00:10:29] - Scaling Back for Success. Karen and Michelle discuss the idea of scaling back team members or business models to maintain a manageable workload and find fulfillment in solo work.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Help Every Reporter Out (HERO) - <a href='https://helpeveryreporter.com/'>free sign-up for PR Pros and Journalists</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Back to basics in your business model -<a href='https://soloprpro.com/scale-agency-back-solo-pr/'>From Solo PR to Agency and Back Again</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 246
Ethical and Legal Challenges of the Modern PR Pro with Special Guest, Cayce Myers
<p style="text-align: center;">New episodes every Monday</p>
In this Episode
<p>"That Solo Life" podcast hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane sit down with Cayce Myers, Ph.D., LL.M., J.D., APR,  an experienced public relations professional and author. In this episode, Myers discusses his latest book, "The Rules of Public Relations, Legal and Ethical Issues and Contemporary Practice," which tackles the intersection of public relations, law, and ethics.</p>
<p>Myers emphasizes the importance of understanding the legal implications of PR crises and the need for transparency when using artificial intelligence (AI) in PR. He stresses that PR professionals have a responsibility to navigate the challenges of disinformation and misinformation during election years. Brands are advised to align their communication strategies with their mission, vision, and values.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Myers draws from his extensive experience in the field to offer valuable insights into the ever-changing landscape of PR. </p>
<p>Whether you're a seasoned PR professional or just starting out in the industry, this episode is packed with practical advice and thought-provoking conversations about the legal and ethical challenges surrounding public relations. Don’t miss out on this fascinating discussion!</p>
Cayce Myers, Ph.D., LL.M., J.D., APR
<p>Cayce Myers is a professor of public relations and director of graduate studies at the School of Communication at Virginia, where he researches and teaches about the legal, regulatory, and ethical aspects of public relations. As a lawyer who also holds a Ph.D. in mass communication, Myers has authored five books and sixty publications including peer-reviewed articles, book chapters, law review articles, and trade press pieces, covering topics such as public relations history, strategy, political campaigns, and related laws and policies. His newest publication, <a href='https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538186060/The-Rules-of-Public-Relations-Legal-and-Ethical-Issues-in-Contemporary-Practice'>"The Rules of Public Relations,</a>" delves into the current laws and ethical challenges in the field of PR practice. The release is scheduled for this July.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">[01:58] Risk and reputation. Lawyers and communicators view crises through a different lens, but do not have to be in opposition. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:37] Oh my AI. The murkiness of AI and what PR pros need to navigate this new technology.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:27] I’ll just wait it out. PR Pros are reluctant to use AI, fearing it could create issues.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:29] Embracing the future. The bright future of PR and what companies need to know when they hire younger workers.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[18:56] The politics of it all. Elections, elections all over the globe and the impact on PR pros in 2024.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">The Rules of Public Relations: Legal and Ethical Issues in Contemporary Practice (<a href='https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538186060/The-Rules-of-Public-Relations-Legal-and-Ethical-Issues-in-Contemporary-Practice'>Publisher</a>) (Use RLFANDF25 to save 25% off print book )</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Rules of Public Relations: Legal and Ethical Issues in Contemporary Practice (<a href='https://a.co/d/3yBnGyc'>Amazon</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p>Please leave a review <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>here</a> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (<a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'>@SoloPR,</a> <a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'>@SoloPRPro</a>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Cayce Myers! </p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Cayce Myers, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cayce-myers-ph-d-ll-m-j-d-apr-a7252734/'>LinkedIn </a>and follow his author page on <a href='https://www.amazon.com/stores/Cayce-Myers/author/B085C48RTZ?ref=ap_rdr&amp;isDramIntegrated=true&amp;shoppingPortalEnabled=true'>Amazon</a>.</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode 246
Ethical and Legal Challenges of the Modern PR Pro with Special Guest, Cayce Myers
<p style="text-align: center;">New episodes every Monday</p>
In this Episode
<p>"That Solo Life" podcast hosts  Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane sit down with Cayce Myers, Ph.D., LL.M., J.D., APR,  an experienced public relations professional and author. In this episode, Myers discusses his latest book, "The Rules of Public Relations, Legal and Ethical Issues and Contemporary Practice," which tackles the intersection of public relations, law, and ethics.</p>
<p>Myers emphasizes the importance of understanding the legal implications of PR crises and the need for transparency when using artificial intelligence (AI) in PR. He stresses that PR professionals have a responsibility to navigate the challenges of disinformation and misinformation during election years. Brands are advised to align their communication strategies with their mission, vision, and values.</p>
<p>Throughout the episode, Myers draws from his extensive experience in the field to offer valuable insights into the ever-changing landscape of PR. </p>
<p>Whether you're a seasoned PR professional or just starting out in the industry, this episode is packed with practical advice and thought-provoking conversations about the legal and ethical challenges surrounding public relations. Don’t miss out on this fascinating discussion!</p>
Cayce Myers, Ph.D., LL.M., J.D., APR
<p>Cayce Myers is a professor of public relations and director of graduate studies at the School of Communication at Virginia, where he researches and teaches about the legal, regulatory, and ethical aspects of public relations. As a lawyer who also holds a Ph.D. in mass communication, Myers has authored five books and sixty publications including peer-reviewed articles, book chapters, law review articles, and trade press pieces, covering topics such as public relations history, strategy, political campaigns, and related laws and policies. His newest publication, <a href='https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538186060/The-Rules-of-Public-Relations-Legal-and-Ethical-Issues-in-Contemporary-Practice'>"The Rules of Public Relations,</a>" delves into the current laws and ethical challenges in the field of PR practice. The release is scheduled for this July.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">[01:58] Risk and reputation. Lawyers and communicators view crises through a different lens, but do not have to be in opposition. </li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[06:37] Oh my AI. The murkiness of AI and what PR pros need to navigate this new technology.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[11:27] I’ll just wait it out. PR Pros are reluctant to use AI, fearing it could create issues.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[14:29] Embracing the future. The bright future of PR and what companies need to know when they hire younger workers.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">[18:56] The politics of it all. Elections, elections all over the globe and the impact on PR pros in 2024.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">The Rules of Public Relations: Legal and Ethical Issues in Contemporary Practice (<a href='https://rowman.com/ISBN/9781538186060/The-Rules-of-Public-Relations-Legal-and-Ethical-Issues-in-Contemporary-Practice'>Publisher</a>) (Use RLFANDF25 to save 25% off print book )</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Rules of Public Relations: Legal and Ethical Issues in Contemporary Practice (<a href='https://a.co/d/3yBnGyc'>Amazon</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>Enjoyed the episode? </p>
<p><em>Please leave a review </em><a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'><em>here</em></a><em> - even a sentence helps. Share and tag us (</em><a href='https://twitter.com/SoloPR'><em>@SoloPR,</em></a><em> </em><a href='https://www.instagram.com/soloprpro/'><em>@SoloPRPro</em></a><em>) on social media so that we can thank you personally! Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p>Looking for more insights and support for your solo PR biz?  Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.</p>
<p>Say Thanks to Cayce Myers! </p>
<p>If you liked this episode with Cayce Myers, please say thanks on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cayce-myers-ph-d-ll-m-j-d-apr-a7252734/'>LinkedIn </a>and follow his author page on <a href='https://www.amazon.com/stores/Cayce-Myers/author/B085C48RTZ?ref=ap_rdr&amp;isDramIntegrated=true&amp;shoppingPortalEnabled=true'>Amazon</a>.</p>
<p>Listen to the episode on our <a href='https://soloprpro.com/podcast'>website</a>, <a href='https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast/id1469100151'>Apple </a>Podcasts, <a href='https://open.spotify.com/show/1FJjDm7fE0GLskXK680ldp'>Spotify</a>, <a href='https://music.amazon.com/podcasts/ef99047d-9138-4495-85e0-155f00c45468/that-solo-life-the-solo-pr-pro-podcast?ref=dm_sh_EN5oSuYS7mFDCNFfjAxcoZGJx'>Amazon Music</a>, or on your favorite podcast platform. You can watch the interview on<a href='https://www.youtube.com/@karenswimsoloprpro3325/streams'> YouTube</a> here.</p>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 244: Language, Landmines And The Peril Now Facing PR Pros
<p>That Solo Life, a podcast dedicated to PR professionals, marketers, and individuals who work for themselves. </p>
<p>In this episode hosts, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane from Voice Matters delve into the topic of avoiding generation gaps and cultural miscommunications.</p>
<p>In our discussion, we highlight how the emergence of a multigenerational workforce and multicultural society has made communication more complex. Together, we explore examples of misunderstood terminology, redefined norms, and quickly shifting cultural contexts. All of which could potentially influence the reception of our messages and client communications.</p>
<p>We also bring to the table the reality that not everyone has the same bank of references or base of knowledge. The universality of business references, iconic books, or even pop culture references is no longer a given. We navigate this landscape by encouraging PR professionals to provide context, or use universally understood language, thus facilitating clear and effective communication.</p>
<p>We also examine political influences, shedding light on how political parties or global events can assign new meanings to well-known terms, creating potential pitfalls for those unaware. We encourage communicators to be savvy, removing barriers, biases, and assumptions to truly connect with diverse audiences.</p>
<p>Closing the conversation, we impress upon our audience that everything communicates – the things we say and do (or don't do), often carry a message. PR professionals and communicators need to be involved in all sectors of an organization, as their insights could safeguard against reputation damage.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">The modern communicator’s conundrum.  We can never assume that words have a universal meaning. It is important to check everything.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Multi-generations and the mix-ups that can happen.Each generation has shaped language in their own way. PR Pros have to be careful to ensure that they are saying what they mean to say across all generations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The predicament of politics. How politics has influenced the way we communicate.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why PR needs a seat at the table. Why PR should never be siloed in companies.</li>
</ul>
<p>More on this topic:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.management-issues.com/opinion/7614/managing-across-generations/'>Managing Across Generations </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/talking-about-my-generation/'>Talking About My Generation</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Call to Action:
Looking for more insights into the PR world? Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.
---
Enjoyed the episode? Give us a rating and share the episode with a colleague. Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 244: Language, Landmines And The Peril Now Facing PR Pros
<p>That Solo Life, a podcast dedicated to PR professionals, marketers, and individuals who work for themselves. </p>
<p>In this episode hosts, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane from Voice Matters delve into the topic of avoiding generation gaps and cultural miscommunications.</p>
<p>In our discussion, we highlight how the emergence of a multigenerational workforce and multicultural society has made communication more complex. Together, we explore examples of misunderstood terminology, redefined norms, and quickly shifting cultural contexts. All of which could potentially influence the reception of our messages and client communications.</p>
<p>We also bring to the table the reality that not everyone has the same bank of references or base of knowledge. The universality of business references, iconic books, or even pop culture references is no longer a given. We navigate this landscape by encouraging PR professionals to provide context, or use universally understood language, thus facilitating clear and effective communication.</p>
<p>We also examine political influences, shedding light on how political parties or global events can assign new meanings to well-known terms, creating potential pitfalls for those unaware. We encourage communicators to be savvy, removing barriers, biases, and assumptions to truly connect with diverse audiences.</p>
<p>Closing the conversation, we impress upon our audience that everything communicates – the things we say and do (or don't do), often carry a message. PR professionals and communicators need to be involved in all sectors of an organization, as their insights could safeguard against reputation damage.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">The modern communicator’s conundrum.  We can never assume that words have a universal meaning. It is important to check everything.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Multi-generations and the mix-ups that can happen.Each generation has shaped language in their own way. PR Pros have to be careful to ensure that they are saying what they mean to say across all generations.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The predicament of politics. How politics has influenced the way we communicate.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Why PR needs a seat at the table. Why PR should never be siloed in companies.</li>
</ul>
<p>More on this topic:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://www.management-issues.com/opinion/7614/managing-across-generations/'>Managing Across Generations </a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;"><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/talking-about-my-generation/'>Talking About My Generation</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Call to Action:<br>
Looking for more insights into the PR world? Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.<br>
---<br>
<em>Enjoyed the episode? Give us a rating and share the episode with a colleague. Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</em></p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 244: Language, Landmines And The Peril Now Facing PR Pros
That Solo Life, a podcast dedicated to PR professionals, marketers, and individuals who work for themselves. 
In this episode hosts, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro, and Michelle Kane from Voice Matters delve into the topic of avoiding generation gaps and cultural miscommunications.
In our discussion, we highlight how the emergence of a multigenerational workforce and multicultural society has made communication more complex. Together, we explore examples of misunderstood terminology, redefined norms, and quickly shifting cultural contexts. All of which could potentially influence the reception of our messages and client communications.
We also bring to the table the reality that not everyone has the same bank of references or base of knowledge. The universality of business references, iconic books, or even pop culture references is no longer a given. We navigate this landscape by encouraging PR professionals to provide context, or use universally understood language, thus facilitating clear and effective communication.
We also examine political influences, shedding light on how political parties or global events can assign new meanings to well-known terms, creating potential pitfalls for those unaware. We encourage communicators to be savvy, removing barriers, biases, and assumptions to truly connect with diverse audiences.
Closing the conversation, we impress upon our audience that everything communicates – the things we say and do (or don't do), often carry a message. PR professionals and communicators need to be involved in all sectors of an organization, as their insights could safeguard against reputation damage.
Episode Highlights:
The modern communicator’s conundrum.  We can never assume that words have a universal meaning. It is important to check everything.
Multi-generations and the mix-ups that can happen.Each generation has shaped language in their own way. PR Pros have to be careful to ensure that they are saying what they mean to say across all generations.
The predicament of politics. How politics has influenced the way we communicate.
Why PR needs a seat at the table. Why PR should never be siloed in companies.
More on this topic:
Managing Across Generations 
Talking About My Generation
Call to Action:Looking for more insights into the PR world? Head over to Solo PR Pro and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.---Enjoyed the episode? Give us a rating and share the episode with a colleague. Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!
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        <title>What They Think We Do, What We Really Do And How To Bridge The Gap</title>
        <itunes:title>What They Think We Do, What We Really Do And How To Bridge The Gap</itunes:title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 243: What They Think We Do, What We Really Do And How To Bridge The Gap
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Welcome to the latest episode of "That Solo Life", the podcast passionately crafted for PR professionals by PR professionals. In this conversation, your hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim take you through the frustrations and challenges of people not understanding the role of public relations and the overlooked intricacies of articulating and demonstrating the value of public relations to clients and the public.</p>
In this episode, you'll discover:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">The Perception Dilemma: Why the general public and even clients may have a skewed understanding of what public relations truly involves.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Beyond Media Relations: How PR is much more than just press releases and media engagement; it's about vital strategic thinking and communication.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Showcase Success: Why PR pros need to embrace measurement and demonstrating impact.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="4">Join the Conversation: An invitation to become a part of the growing Solo PR Pro community, where you'll find camaraderie and support from fellow professionals.</li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Recognizing the misunderstanding around the value of PR.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Reflecting on the role of PR in shaping their own perceived value.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Practical advice for PR pros to better communicate the wide array of services they offer.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="4">Effective strategies for PR pros to articulate their true value with confidence and clarity.</li>
</ul>
Rate, Review &amp; Share!
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">If you found value in this episode, please rate and review our show, and share it with your networks.</p>
Connect and Discuss:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Don't miss the opportunity to join the insightful discussions in the <a href='http://soloprpro.com/join'>Solo PR Pro</a> community. Connect with industry experts, exchange ideas, and get support from your colleagues.</p>
Listen, engage, and grow with "That Solo Life." Happy listening!]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 243: What They Think We Do, What We Really Do And How To Bridge The Gap
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Welcome to the latest episode of "That Solo Life", the podcast passionately crafted for PR professionals by PR professionals. In this conversation, your hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim take you through the frustrations and challenges of people not understanding the role of public relations and the overlooked intricacies of articulating and demonstrating the value of public relations to clients and the public.</p>
In this episode, you'll discover:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">The Perception Dilemma: Why the general public and even clients may have a skewed understanding of what public relations truly involves.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Beyond Media Relations: How PR is much more than just press releases and media engagement; it's about vital strategic thinking and communication.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Showcase Success: Why PR pros need to embrace measurement and demonstrating impact.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="4">Join the Conversation: An invitation to become a part of the growing Solo PR Pro community, where you'll find camaraderie and support from fellow professionals.</li>
</ul>
Key Takeaways:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Recognizing the misunderstanding around the value of PR.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Reflecting on the role of PR in shaping their own perceived value.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Practical advice for PR pros to better communicate the wide array of services they offer.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="4">Effective strategies for PR pros to articulate their true value with confidence and clarity.</li>
</ul>
Rate, Review &amp; Share!
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">If you found value in this episode, please rate and review our show, and share it with your networks.</p>
Connect and Discuss:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Don't miss the opportunity to join the insightful discussions in the <a href='http://soloprpro.com/join'>Solo PR Pro</a> community. Connect with industry experts, exchange ideas, and get support from your colleagues.</p>
Listen, engage, and grow with "That Solo Life." Happy listening!]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life, Episode 243: What They Think We Do, What We Really Do And How To Bridge The Gap
Welcome to the latest episode of "That Solo Life", the podcast passionately crafted for PR professionals by PR professionals. In this conversation, your hosts Michelle Kane and Karen Swim take you through the frustrations and challenges of people not understanding the role of public relations and the overlooked intricacies of articulating and demonstrating the value of public relations to clients and the public.
In this episode, you'll discover:
The Perception Dilemma: Why the general public and even clients may have a skewed understanding of what public relations truly involves.
Beyond Media Relations: How PR is much more than just press releases and media engagement; it's about vital strategic thinking and communication.
Showcase Success: Why PR pros need to embrace measurement and demonstrating impact.
Join the Conversation: An invitation to become a part of the growing Solo PR Pro community, where you'll find camaraderie and support from fellow professionals.
Key Takeaways:
Recognizing the misunderstanding around the value of PR.
Reflecting on the role of PR in shaping their own perceived value.
Practical advice for PR pros to better communicate the wide array of services they offer.
Effective strategies for PR pros to articulate their true value with confidence and clarity.
Rate, Review &amp; Share!
If you found value in this episode, please rate and review our show, and share it with your networks.
Connect and Discuss:
Don't miss the opportunity to join the insightful discussions in the Solo PR Pro community. Connect with industry experts, exchange ideas, and get support from your colleagues.
Listen, engage, and grow with "That Solo Life." Happy listening!]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Media, Mayhem and What Happens in a Small Town</title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/media-mayhem-and-what-happens-in-a-small-town/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2024 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[Show Notes for That Solo Life: Episode 242
<p>In this episode: That Solo Life co-hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane talk about some of the insights from the "Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism" and discuss the emerging trends shaping media relations today.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Discussing the Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism Report. We dig into the latest findings and what they mean for the future of journalism. What are the new challenges and opportunities for those in media relations? Check out the full report here:<a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2024/03/12/state-of-journalism-2024'> Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Art of Storytelling .Why storytelling remains the heart of compelling communication and how it's evolving with the times.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Beyond Earned Media. How can PR professionals leverage their creativity and expertise beyond traditional media? We explore strategies to amplify your message and engage your audience.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism:<a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2024/03/12/state-of-journalism-2024'> Read the report

</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Call to Action:
Looking for more insights into the PR world? Head over to<a href='https://soloprpro.com'> Solo PR Pro</a> and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.
---
Enjoyed the episode? Give us a rating and share the episode with a colleague. Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[Show Notes for That Solo Life: Episode 242
<p>In this episode: That Solo Life co-hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane talk about some of the insights from the "Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism" and discuss the emerging trends shaping media relations today.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Discussing the Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism Report. We dig into the latest findings and what they mean for the future of journalism. What are the new challenges and opportunities for those in media relations? Check out the full report here:<a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2024/03/12/state-of-journalism-2024'> Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism</a></li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">The Art of Storytelling .Why storytelling remains the heart of compelling communication and how it's evolving with the times.</li>
<li style="font-weight:400;">Beyond Earned Media. How can PR professionals leverage their creativity and expertise beyond traditional media? We explore strategies to amplify your message and engage your audience.</li>
</ul>
<p>Resources Mentioned:</p>
<ul><li style="font-weight:400;">Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism:<a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2024/03/12/state-of-journalism-2024'> Read the report<br>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Show Notes for That Solo Life: Episode 242
In this episode: That Solo Life co-hosts, Karen Swim, APR and Michelle Kane talk about some of the insights from the "Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism" and discuss the emerging trends shaping media relations today.
Episode Highlights:
Discussing the Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism Report. We dig into the latest findings and what they mean for the future of journalism. What are the new challenges and opportunities for those in media relations? Check out the full report here: Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism
The Art of Storytelling .Why storytelling remains the heart of compelling communication and how it's evolving with the times.
Beyond Earned Media. How can PR professionals leverage their creativity and expertise beyond traditional media? We explore strategies to amplify your message and engage your audience.
Resources Mentioned:
Muckrack 2024 State of Journalism: Read the report
Call to Action:Looking for more insights into the PR world? Head over to Solo PR Pro and become part of our community. Don't forget to sign up for our newsletter for the latest tips and trends.---Enjoyed the episode? Give us a rating and share the episode with a colleague. Your support helps us keep bringing you insightful content every week. Thank you for tuning in!]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Navigating the New Terrain of Labor Laws for Solo PR Pros</title>
        <itunes:title>Navigating the New Terrain of Labor Laws for Solo PR Pros</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/navigating-the-new-terrain-of-labor-laws-for-solo-pr-pros/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/navigating-the-new-terrain-of-labor-laws-for-solo-pr-pros/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2024 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[In This Episode:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Join us as we dissect the implications of the Department of Labor's recent rule changes and what it means for solo PR professionals. We welcome Nathan Gibson, an authority in Employment Law and Independent Contractor Compliance, who is the Senior Director at <a href='http://mbopartners.com'>MBO Partners</a>. Nathan provides in-depth insights on staying compliant and the potential impacts on solo public relations businesses.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Understanding the Rule Change: Explore the specifics of the Department of Labor's new guidelines with our expert guest.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Impacts on Solo PR Pros: Learn what solo PR professionals need to do differently to stay aligned with the new rules.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Strategies for Compliance: Discover actionable strategies to maintain compliance without compromising on flexibility and freedom as an independent professional.</li>
</ul>
Featured Guest:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Nathan Gibson, an expert in:</p>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Employment Law</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Independent Contractor Compliance</li>
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<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Current Position:</p>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Senior Director, Risk Management at MBO Partners</li>
</ul>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Connect with Nathan on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathansgibson/'>LinkedIn </a>for more insights and personalized advisory.</p>
Resources Mentioned:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0 list-none" value="1">Join the Solo PR Pro Community: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/premium/signup'>Solo PR Pro Premium Membership Signup</a>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">MBO Partners: For additional tools and expertise to manage your solo PR business, visit <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com'>MBO Partners</a>.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Free Resources: Stay informed with the latest solo PR trends and tips by signing up for our newsletter at <a href='http://eepurl.com/deC06f'>http://eepurl.com/deC06f</a>.</li>
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<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]">---</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more episodes packed with expert advice and the latest updates affecting solo PR professionals. Share your thoughts on this episode using #SoloPR and stay connected with us on our social media channels.</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Thank you for tuning in, and keep thriving in your solo PR career!</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Note: This podcast episode is not intended to serve as legal advice. For specific legal concerns related to the topics discussed, please consult a qualified attorney.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[In This Episode:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Join us as we dissect the implications of the Department of Labor's recent rule changes and what it means for solo PR professionals. We welcome Nathan Gibson, an authority in Employment Law and Independent Contractor Compliance, who is the Senior Director at <a href='http://mbopartners.com'>MBO Partners</a>. Nathan provides in-depth insights on staying compliant and the potential impacts on solo public relations businesses.</p>
Episode Highlights:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Understanding the Rule Change: Explore the specifics of the Department of Labor's new guidelines with our expert guest.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Impacts on Solo PR Pros: Learn what solo PR professionals need to do differently to stay aligned with the new rules.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="3">Strategies for Compliance: Discover actionable strategies to maintain compliance without compromising on flexibility and freedom as an independent professional.</li>
</ul>
Featured Guest:
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Nathan Gibson, an expert in:</p>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Employment Law</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Independent Contractor Compliance</li>
</ul>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Current Position:</p>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">Senior Director, Risk Management at MBO Partners</li>
</ul>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Connect with Nathan on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathansgibson/'>LinkedIn </a>for more insights and personalized advisory.</p>
Resources Mentioned:
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0 list-none" value="1">Join the Solo PR Pro Community: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/premium/signup'>Solo PR Pro Premium Membership Signup</a>
<ul class="pt-[9px] pb-[2px] pl-[24px] list-disc [&amp;_ul]:pt-[5px] pt-[5px]"><li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="1">MBO Partners: For additional tools and expertise to manage your solo PR business, visit <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com'>MBO Partners</a>.</li>
<li class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] my-[5px] [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ol]:!pb-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pt-0 [&amp;&gt;ul]:!pb-0" value="2">Free Resources: Stay informed with the latest solo PR trends and tips by signing up for our newsletter at <a href='http://eepurl.com/deC06f'>http://eepurl.com/deC06f</a>.</li>
</ul>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]">---</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Be sure to subscribe to our podcast for more episodes packed with expert advice and the latest updates affecting solo PR professionals. Share your thoughts on this episode using #SoloPR and stay connected with us on our social media channels.</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr">Thank you for tuning in, and keep thriving in your solo PR career!</p>
<p class="text-body font-regular text-gray-800 leading-[24px] pt-[9px] pb-[2px]" dir="ltr"><em><em class="italic">Note: This podcast episode is not intended to serve as legal advice. For specific legal concerns related to the topics discussed, please consult a qualified attorney.</em></em></p>
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        <title>The Hangover Episode: Oscar, Kate, and the Lost Hour</title>
        <itunes:title>The Hangover Episode: Oscar, Kate, and the Lost Hour</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-hangover-episode-oscar-kate-and-the-lost-hour/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Mar 2024 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>If you’re still feeling the effects of springing forward into daylight savings time, recovering from St. Patrick’s Day or are still wondering what is going on with the royals, in this episode we talk about it and how there’s a PR lesson in everything.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Z_QIynTZZa_PxSIRvLgdZRXWjgWi77mB1rRea0p_-1NJ6cT328TNJyTSHdBI1mvhxB7AGWGgY1m7n5h4RfC3ROwH6E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.18'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fSovOkKZfqOuY9Hv8ll98pc3A3-H4NFuULLKeLZ265TbokAD5rvyn9GL9foDReyL3USzbomN4Zfr10sZRF5lu0-D2JE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.55'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. How are you? I am, I wasn't drinking last night, but I was partying with my family. We threw my sister a big birthday bash, and so I have a party hangover.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MpM9G_yviQYSQ-GuqY9EiUP9t5hyK3gSRsxfs2DWbca02E72fWqF1zb9O2G8FLC2PH2Qg2GqWwT3ydbr0aflMLy4cSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.62'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>There we go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GHS2mBJB69eIx-5yDkJ0tz2qbnZptUJ-mQ-IRY04CR9XeW0MtzmfdhDKzRj8ii6RrC1bj530JPz5Q4Dv2GgeETPv0UU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.61'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>I'm not sure if you're seeing straight. I'm tired, but so happy. My voice just came back like an hour ago.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wRY5UUqCsuzZ8OwY2citUzB3zISgTqCpVuly0mYnMg7yMgxtDuTCO0PPJCuDZGgUPTuYrAfUwD3AtJEss0XlL5MnunE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.57'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>Well, that was good. That was it. And for our listeners, this will hit March 18th, but we are recording this March 11, which is the day, also the day after the Oscar. So since that's my Super Bowl, I have an Oscar hangover. Not to mention, we all lost an hour this weekend to daylight savings, so we're all just kind of coming into this day going like, what? But we're here, so we're going to keep it a little light. We're dubbing this The Hangover Episode since, hey, not for nothing. It's going to be airing the day after St. Patrick's Day. So if you all do your due diligence, you'll be feeling like us when you hear this so,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AZtMnUDIL-_Dp-a7bAEEtxCJvlv7c42YR0gi1gcS735rqKV8t0HQTMbDf29EU-MrzspfxnVsphAjA5y3ULAbCWwK_Z8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.44'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S7_6y5OqSCk_S0UBeDHnldg7jjmBaZ5piO0YMcgQgUjwnBKs7lMbv8Dt5LVEOGj5WzV9Iaq-UNIaluYxfTkihxAsJwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=80.55'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>We'll try and keep it a little quiet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ihzs2w9GimIEBJ0OWk3_FFuwJkMBmEQOh5DM0M_nLbM7UIqy6nqLO4us9DFvIobxdEIc3NYMgw6sDHDVZG64idySFGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.66'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZNYv5nkfCBZhLf2TkpBmlo0N7-LzV784K5rDd4xNbfYiCQ0gfXr8n0iLGvXAOy3548crCBCBzCO-2BIAIb5sCXCe2B8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.07'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>But yeah, it was an interesting weekend, I have to say. And we're just really going to riff on some things that we have seen. Of course, the Oscars usually give you a lot of things to chew on. And during the Oscars as I was too, screening the event as I do, this weird thing came up with, in the UK it was Mother's Day, Mothering Sunday, and this weird thing came up with a photo that the Princess of Wales had posted with her kids, and four major – AP, Getty -- agencies issued a kill order for this photo, which apparently is not done very often. And due to it not being what they called a true photo, apparently there was some manipulation that caused concern. Now, I'm not going to wear a tinfoil hat today and get into the weeds of all the conspiracies of Catherine. Where is she? I mean, look, this is not Scientology and Shelly Miscavige. No, but it's just like you're already watching a major event and you're scrolling. What? Huh? And people are pointing out some Photoshop issues. And although to say AP is saying, look, we expect things like if you do some burning, you do some tone changes. Those are okay as if you're a comms pro. But I don't know, it was just weird. Another weird blip in our lives of where every day is like, huh?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5W_u23v20YyPttWpmXiWwm8BEABSVrOGy3KqDrEa9NR-IUyLwJeD8w5T9mPfkEIvOzo-_NSYrGxA96-oRqKJsn6SA04?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.03'>02:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. What's interesting to me about the recall. And then she had to apologize. And so I think as communications professionals, we all know that we hire photographers for clients, for events, for headshots, and we edit the photos. I believe that we are all safely in the zone of what passes as ethical and truthful editing. Correct? Correct. You're editing out flaws, you're editing for a better resolution, but you're not changing the narrative or presenting something that may have been a previous photo as brand new. And we're starting, I feel like this leads into this whole new era where we are with AI being able to create things and to change things so easily. There's an AI tool for absolutely everything these days. And it's interesting to me that, especially in the UK, that the news agencies recall the photo when they, in my opinion, very routinely cross ethical boundaries when it comes to reporting on the royal family. So they don't cover things that are truthful. They have these backhand deals with the royal family, and the way that they operate is so far outside of what I would consider to be ethical. But you have a problem with a photo that was manipulated. Yeah.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0iULw-b9SgbLOi0P1zX6yNpCECL6VOTtFVvYfJzf4kD1rxP-b3arZvFmbndxVEkZmvo15QRahcupPXbImQW20-rB52U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=270.16'>04:30</a>):</p>
<p>Really, how ironic.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5aIMY-kJGUuguBmZL2AGIPEMN-o41CYZvyA8FKnsxwi4BLxMI9KgL2IpRQ0jY6fTuoDdeSX5hZNtx6pcmK19YLMCtqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.41'>04:32</a>):</p>
<p>That certainly adds to the weirdness of it all. But as you say, it does open us up to the broader concept of how AI is. I'll use the negative connotation of infiltrating. I mean, we've already had an AI-created robocall, allegedly from President Biden, to influence primary voters in certain states in a negative way. So we know to be on the lookout, but people who aren't in this field of work, they're not expecting it as much as we are. And it's really going to be, I'll say a bumpy ride, but we really all need to be vigilant about what we consume. Even silly stuff like Royal news.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HaxhrM3NsmCvHi38VFAno64iMRvM7eOJmwySYP7_qVliow6SzMV8EvLM1kaKWFxaXLDxCp-4fNLNdHu0MdjLXrXuECc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.51'>05:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Honestly, we are seeing more and more AI generated content, and it's not necessarily coming from our traditional news outlets where they're adhering to a standard of journalistic integrity. This is coming from other outlets and they're flat out taking articles from other outlets and just rewriting them in ai. And we're going to try to discuss this topic in depth and with some seriousness at a later time. But it's worth calling it out at this time that, again, as you, not it, Michelle, and this is really important to us as communicators. As communicators, while we can, we have a trained eye and we're looking for these things, and we understand how to tell human generated content from AI content that's not always clear to consumers of information. And it makes our jobs a lot harder because at one point, I think we were all battling the battle against social issues and political issues and fighting against mal and disinformation. He also knew that it could come for our clients. But today, it's easier than ever, as I said, with AI bots taking articles and resending them out. And that means your client's quotes could get manipulated. Information about your client can be used in a malicious way. It's very concerning. And I think, if I'm being honest, for myself personally, you feel like you're fighting it and it almost feels like playing a game of whack-a-mole that you're never going to win.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iOgxDuHOMhCb0cxlaae7Zf3S1gY2Re-uFjCcnFFH-yvYFtn1ccyk8KprVoax9XLqCrR6KlQHL0t-7UO2_zk82kr0Jbk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.27'>07:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really amps up the reputation management portion of our work, whereas it's like, okay, keep my eye on Google reviews and things that people say and alerts, and now it's like, oh, okay. It's just a whole new sphere of potential influence that can harm clients. And again, I think vigilance is the word of the day is vigilance and just needing to try and stay ahead of this, but knowing that it is happening more and more is a definite good first step to that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IoGHEqq9gdvFmVaGArzHK4bj99-4TpjkTh4EQQSzhyzx1LrZRs9hlajmx3uUCW-ZGxMYQy1uo8Dh9zb-v7gsNkUdAo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.01'>07:56</a>):</p>
<p>True.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wN1rot3muUNr6mlvxXf-6Osms0tjef5ad7VDrLLa7VOsL9C5u70XiIFkCNLw2ofA7jtmqzY4YMoxk7vcq19h40w2UjY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.48'>07:56</a>):</p>
<p>So that's that. I'll be watching that silly story the rest of the day. I have a feeling it's just in case of, I dunno, they're tripping over themselves. I'm like, whatever.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8yrOz0TD9yZigr9iLjj36QtfpDfsaxFDRVGZA-lGF7xmJ42O4DBBICjocuABL_9v67PW2hLxUa5p_AB3e25_KAMsA7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.51'>08:05</a>):</p>
<p>Well, we've had the photo things called out in the United States as well. There've been incidents with the Kardashians and their bad photo editing and fans have called it out on social media. Yeah, that's not your hand. That's not, and so photos, I would say, listen, the woman had surgery, apparently. Basically, she probably is not looking yet in her best self in a way that she wants to present to the public, but obviously we as PR people know, so just post a collage of old photos or post little from the past. There's so many ways that she could have managed this. She could have posted a photo to say, one of my favorite Mother's Day photos and post something that is not how you look right now in this moment and pretend that it's this year's Mother's Day photo. That was just dumb.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NxqsF9GQAmJWf1OVjG_4d78nzzgIxg_SwIqtpFhvhxYdP20RMhNvY5YJiCEU4Ym3pvbvI9xQ6w-uxbXTfZYBI-b76gc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.97'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>That was dumb. There's so many different ways to play this. Take a picture of the pretty flowers that William should have bought. You</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w3EPItF-13yDv7vA-Dcm701j2cDdcvZym2EP093tnwpbKQLJ4nY7u4djVQyUVhMmksnmUHxA1vCFK_0BdZOBAgeg7S8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.54'>09:09</a>):</p>
<p>Just photograph the</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ydla95jkX4r3SJH279UuC45KymVpQ9aPBwcHaCFuHssLb7zT9aKeYHAQl1JdYPESv-gj30h86ipKNc0a5MJUNUtN1Nw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.1'>09:11</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RkXEY_ulBV9QCGDBP7VKBQNEUdXWIJd6ci7sGj86SdKc1KTtIT6URwQ4rI7WPGNIBHJubuJw2CnE6Lod_usZPOCRPM0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.48'>09:12</a>):</p>
<p>These are my loves. I mean, come on. There's just a million different ways to have handled that that would've been smarter than getting called out and then letting people spit out. Because even though I don't follow the royal family, I unfortunately cannot escape it when I'm reading news. And so I see these headlines about her being spotted and grainy photos, and I'm like, oh, for Pete's sake, it feels like she is a criminal. It's creepy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DC3xBW_6T41Hd3zHWsF8ATlwLCOP23NSLn2t1KDarz3WG21gzubZynECghlu6ijTL_iGsuRh9ZBlZJJvy-MPdwOASzU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.77'>09:46</a>):</p>
<p>Well, one thing I did see, which I thought that's like a recipe for a hot mess this morning, saying that, and I guess I knew this on one level, again, it doesn't affect my day to day, but that each house, so to speak, has their own comms team independent of one another. So there really is no united fronts. So you've got the king and the, I can't say queen, the king and his wife have their press, and there's allegedly no uniform coordination. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wTt99lWyfw_qtD9Cox9JRY4mE0GU39xzdMhkWUNGIxxjgf2t2SeDI9xcS0ESSDciFjlxBLHGfT8pT6JAfDFjoeNQDlI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=621.99'>10:21</a>):</p>
<p>I think I had heard that in the</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2YO-GoQXjYCrmVWb7aByyYZeF6OOmyE9LJv0PpP-7RDcq-0FQCzOcBDwBQfUvfydTsxkh8lpic-orepsXv30XbLWUJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.77'>10:25</a>):</p>
<p>They need to fix that. They need to fix that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5HAnHhwGVXrNOQIK1NlrAwHUvbTEhpXtOqyGJMBbo0CmVJKobyFvRcYClr52TT-FAxE9OLzcC3qHpSm0kMldc_erRi0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=628.84'>10:28</a>):</p>
<p>Does that not speak to a lot of what happens in corporate America as well? There's no unified messaging or teams that people are disjointed. And when you have everyone operating on their own agenda, chaos rains. And so here's a lesson for brands out there, and I know that our solos have to work against these circumstances. In many instances, when you can't speak with a unified voice, you are going to have a problem at some point. And how it shows up can't, we can tell you some examples of how it shows up, but you will have a problem, not you might. You will for sure. Definitely. So it's a good lesson. You can't have that. You can't have everyone operating independently. And it's funny because now you also have the rise, or I should say it's firmly in our culture to have a personal brand. When you're an executive or when you're a rising manager and even just an employee of the company, people have their personal brands.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IqI-0qvohSr4hIHcbkDtKXNq_SDdDt4XK4H2rZpbIiYOlP0FfBlAqMwZhA2FnD-c7CcaaWQNthnjD6XiI5NL5PfYI2k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=692.88'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>And sometimes when your brand has elevated enough, you have your own PR person or publicist. You might be writing a book and then you're pursuing your own interests, but you're leveraging your position in your company here too. There should be coordination because if you are a CEO of a company and you have your own PR team for your personal interests, you are still being seen as a representative of your company. So you need to loop in your company's PR team, and you all need to walk in a single step to ensure that you, in promoting your own brand, are not doing damage to the company brand.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u_3hCohjMK_APN96Ht629BpL6eLzaxrtyF6YyN9SbbAmSfGlWZ56SeTV2GNiokZtmOqmruBEvYw44uWUo2JaBNxwLps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=734.53'>12:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And so often the pushback that you get or the reaction that you receive is that, oh, you're just trying to control everything. It's like, well, yes and no. Yes. Within reason, because your paycheck is still signed by this entity that you are using, for lack of a better word, to raise your own profile. And yeah, we just need to know, I always say, I don't need to know everything, but I need to know everything. It doesn't mean I'm going to get into micromanage, but absolutely the united front, because that's something that certainly communicates. It could certainly harm your brand if your brand has to scurry after you. And even if it isn't a big mess to clean up, it just doesn't look, it makes the brand look like it doesn't know what it's doing, and that would instill doubt in their product or their service, and nobody wants that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SarVLhtoKo3rmENxFFA3m2qSyr6xTrTm4wsPeAdz_GMzXWQ0b0Y5wjaBPnsiSYt4BwgjmcN0NlIsOD0nL2xVUrgF-Qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=791.5'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. Well, Michelle, you watched the Oscars.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/juzqhZARde3jK8_WzMcstCHyuDPhZMUJcoNGx7stKwGTgTyjV7WqDCiyMMp86QQEXX_GwfMuWu_LomJ6tKQtfLFUOBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=796.09'>13:16</a>):</p>
<p>I did. It's my Super Bowl. And it's so funny that the infamous incident, I was sitting there watching this and that thing that happened last year, I thought, wow, was that just last year? It feels like 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Db7rWcyz4xJNoWdl6hTq3gcFvDuBHwJHOCfXUPCHoS_1cu2IQmgVCz3UvbJPkJ9oQyfE2oyKwbglv_PjjMx6veCf4PI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=810.16'>13:30</a>):</p>
<p>It does.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrylW9wotxzZZ91szlfGEOlD6yOyPS25MUgU9Q65XS8cCSNuTbEsHjNY_Tuu-MHs_UiKHHlgahg2zy0w4lCNSOTFY7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=812.23'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>So nothing like that happened. I don't think anything too crazy happened. At least it didn't register on my radar. It was a pretty mundane night. They ended relatively on time. There were some neat elements of the Hollywood community gathering, and I'm sure much of which were predetermined bits. It was fun to see interesting pairings like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito recreating their twins duo, and both of them having been Batman villains, calling out Michael Keaton in the audience for killing them both.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IBIB6T0edVkq2Wfud4BL08dkUMx6DnZT5n7c3PenCJx5_AKKc1irFNqmqURXfX8sOJtJh8fPl2KRTD6ILBOm3XexOOI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.07'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>That's fun.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mfvgJ_wOrEO0DOmG46ChmUee_xxski5jU17VerP89CHklanbkYjewSbLhhWSNsnnqOKkYmS9SXfKK5lOs_7ObjUaKNM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.67'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>And they were going to have a talk at the after party, but the one thing that I really loved was the way they had the presentation of the four major acting awards. They pulled in five previous winners to do the presentation. And so each past winner got a nominee to speak to, and it was really neat. Sometimes there were some connections, and I thought, oh, you're making everyone cry before they even get up there. So that was kind of cool. Then of course, John Cena recreating the streak episode that David Nivan handled with such a plum in the seventies, but that was definitely a bit Jimmy Kimmel had coordinated. He was pretty good at coordinating some bits. So I would say it was relatively uneventful. Of course, I don't know. Anyone who knows me on social media knows that. I think I'm just Ken as an absolute banger of a song, and I get why the Nice song won. But Ryan Gosling brought it's, they did an incredible production number of, I am Just Complete with Mark Ronson, who was a co-writer slash from Roses, and of course Wolfgang Van Halen who was on the recording. So yeah, if you love movies, it was a good night. If you're a nerd like me that loves the history of it all, and oh, that's meaningful because X, Y, Z, it was a good night for you too. I hope so. That was fun.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SNRm48NLwIUu5YRAF4oaKa_syTcMvGAWX6p33MMsVqQnBgVbHXMeOsofD-MqEP6wRbxmQMnTlTdWAkhsUVGpMYyWCLE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=940.94'>15:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I saw a couple pictures here and there, and of course I saw the fashion pictures, but you know what was interesting, the Essence Awards, which does not get far,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LHERk2OJGqEeyly3QolvBPgjVEj83EnGRnbhGlHQ0jTobMRH5MLD5rNDeCnMZ2PLmW3qBokkFm_l-adqLelOaCDt_iw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=951.02'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>No, it doesn't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5P8Z6jYh7uK2FccxyxnmL8PS0JgFYXkY2hLgK4o-pF1tx5U7WzRLfoV-IDuGXX4l1ifP2HZkly8T_QbJTvPmY35l8kw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=951.56'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Media attention was just a few days ago as well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G29qdi9zCxqznQuB5kog-IbSRSc6gORN3RMOHjz5EOt9tgr5MkQw__0-HGgHnGubYjgpDJpEbsyMshGCvSTlcijVpzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=955.7'>15:55</a>):</p>
<p>Hit me up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oBlB9bpFyn504KS4_rsFpAmkzae4iceg2XHph7mJNfdojyohtzlsI46AD9486u8mNUkO6HSEtn3E50vbYUN-sG-8poM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=956.48'>15:56</a>):</p>
<p>These ladies brought the looks. They served looks that were incredible and fierce, and what an empowering time for women to come together to celebrate women. It was just, I wish that it got a lot more attention than it does, because this is not just a black woman event. It's just something that everyone can enjoy that you bring together this great talent and hearing from people who were in that room, just how it uplifts them and how everyone leaves feeling more creative and ready to achieve their dreams and fulfilled. And I will say, I don't know, I can't speak for men, but I know for women, period, when we get together and we celebrate one another, there is truly something special about that that leaves you on a high for a long time. We need more of</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2N9Sht92xFEOQlaEvXZt8g6EKnYvExl3IBOr1kWoLMYiOJ2A1-apy2hQPFYAN1jGYb0LGVwslS6i8EP3cjV6Uc7VnCA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1011.21'>16:51</a>):</p>
<p>That. That is so true. That is so true. And yeah, I don't like that. I have to trip over something like the essence of awards. Well, going through the remote, I love all of it. And what you said is so true because it's funny, I was messaging with a friend who is quite ensconced in her world right now, and she's like, oh, I'm not going to watch, and she's a creative, and I said, I think you really should watch, because people will slag off on award shows. Oh, it's just blah, blah, blah, and they just talk about themselves. I'm like, no, it's inspiring. It's soul food because these people, they share some of their story, many of them as they accept, and it's just a real touch point of Yeah, you're right. That's why we tell stories. That's why we do this. It's not just what are you wearing and who did what with who. It's important because so many of our films and our media are reflections of where we are, who we are, who we want to be, where we want to go. It has value within. Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Eugfg8_ifIPDC2q1QgRqlXxlsK-mpAedriFPEC8yGrk3SrCdkAMyBg83Jz60YIg1PAGCjiwRGeoBHcfFGOFfAjHG7Fc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1076.22'>17:56</a>):</p>
<p>I totally appreciate that viewpoint. I've got a really good friend who is a writer and producer, and during the covid time, she encouraged people, even though everything was shut down to continue to write and create, because she saw it as their duty to chronicle history. And it's really such a beautiful thing, whether you're a comedian, whatever you do creatively, you are portraying the times. And even now we look back, we look at old films, we look at old paintings and sculptures, anything that was created in past times, and it gives us into a window, into the culture, into what was happening, the political scene, I'm sure that we'll look back. We look back at previous Oscars and we see the creatives that were unified around causes, we've seen them take stands about social justice and different things. This year, it was the war in Israel, and we see them take a stand, and I do think that you're right. It is important to sometimes, I know we PR people, we live in our world, we live in our industry, we live in the businesses of our clients. We live in the business world, but we should remember that the creative endeavors hold an important place as well, and they really do portray our history right now. So it's important to participate in that and to acknowledge that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xNWZZjB9khd4-6cy58eJC6u1G-jiloFPICL49RAvN8mh3voJGaY8fBUrzEFQdfV0g3j_0lhpigmSLIhGabdREk3BIZY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1168.77'>19:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, could not have said it any better myself. That is so true. So well, we hope this was a bit of a light touch for you today, and we thank you so much for taking the time to listen. If you did get value, please share it around, and of course, please check in with us@soloprpro.com. Check out what that amazing group of people has to offer and what Karen cooks up for us every week with new blog posts, new offerings. So make sure you sign up for the newsletter@soloprpro.com, and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Z_QIynTZZa_PxSIRvLgdZRXWjgWi77mB1rRea0p_-1NJ6cT328TNJyTSHdBI1mvhxB7AGWGgY1m7n5h4RfC3ROwH6E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.18'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fSovOkKZfqOuY9Hv8ll98pc3A3-H4NFuULLKeLZ265TbokAD5rvyn9GL9foDReyL3USzbomN4Zfr10sZRF5lu0-D2JE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.55'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. How are you? I am, I wasn't drinking last night, but I was partying with my family. We threw my sister a big birthday bash, and so I have a party hangover.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MpM9G_yviQYSQ-GuqY9EiUP9t5hyK3gSRsxfs2DWbca02E72fWqF1zb9O2G8FLC2PH2Qg2GqWwT3ydbr0aflMLy4cSM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.62'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>There we go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GHS2mBJB69eIx-5yDkJ0tz2qbnZptUJ-mQ-IRY04CR9XeW0MtzmfdhDKzRj8ii6RrC1bj530JPz5Q4Dv2GgeETPv0UU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.61'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>I'm not sure if you're seeing straight. I'm tired, but so happy. My voice just came back like an hour ago.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wRY5UUqCsuzZ8OwY2citUzB3zISgTqCpVuly0mYnMg7yMgxtDuTCO0PPJCuDZGgUPTuYrAfUwD3AtJEss0XlL5MnunE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.57'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>Well, that was good. That was it. And for our listeners, this will hit March 18th, but we are recording this March 11, which is the day, also the day after the Oscar. So since that's my Super Bowl, I have an Oscar hangover. Not to mention, we all lost an hour this weekend to daylight savings, so we're all just kind of coming into this day going like, what? But we're here, so we're going to keep it a little light. We're dubbing this The Hangover Episode since, hey, not for nothing. It's going to be airing the day after St. Patrick's Day. So if you all do your due diligence, you'll be feeling like us when you hear this so,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AZtMnUDIL-_Dp-a7bAEEtxCJvlv7c42YR0gi1gcS735rqKV8t0HQTMbDf29EU-MrzspfxnVsphAjA5y3ULAbCWwK_Z8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.44'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S7_6y5OqSCk_S0UBeDHnldg7jjmBaZ5piO0YMcgQgUjwnBKs7lMbv8Dt5LVEOGj5WzV9Iaq-UNIaluYxfTkihxAsJwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=80.55'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>We'll try and keep it a little quiet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ihzs2w9GimIEBJ0OWk3_FFuwJkMBmEQOh5DM0M_nLbM7UIqy6nqLO4us9DFvIobxdEIc3NYMgw6sDHDVZG64idySFGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.66'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZNYv5nkfCBZhLf2TkpBmlo0N7-LzV784K5rDd4xNbfYiCQ0gfXr8n0iLGvXAOy3548crCBCBzCO-2BIAIb5sCXCe2B8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.07'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>But yeah, it was an interesting weekend, I have to say. And we're just really going to riff on some things that we have seen. Of course, the Oscars usually give you a lot of things to chew on. And during the Oscars as I was too, screening the event as I do, this weird thing came up with, in the UK it was Mother's Day, Mothering Sunday, and this weird thing came up with a photo that the Princess of Wales had posted with her kids, and four major – AP, Getty -- agencies issued a kill order for this photo, which apparently is not done very often. And due to it not being what they called a true photo, apparently there was some manipulation that caused concern. Now, I'm not going to wear a tinfoil hat today and get into the weeds of all the conspiracies of Catherine. Where is she? I mean, look, this is not Scientology and Shelly Miscavige. No, but it's just like you're already watching a major event and you're scrolling. What? Huh? And people are pointing out some Photoshop issues. And although to say AP is saying, look, we expect things like if you do some burning, you do some tone changes. Those are okay as if you're a comms pro. But I don't know, it was just weird. Another weird blip in our lives of where every day is like, huh?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5W_u23v20YyPttWpmXiWwm8BEABSVrOGy3KqDrEa9NR-IUyLwJeD8w5T9mPfkEIvOzo-_NSYrGxA96-oRqKJsn6SA04?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=174.03'>02:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. What's interesting to me about the recall. And then she had to apologize. And so I think as communications professionals, we all know that we hire photographers for clients, for events, for headshots, and we edit the photos. I believe that we are all safely in the zone of what passes as ethical and truthful editing. Correct? Correct. You're editing out flaws, you're editing for a better resolution, but you're not changing the narrative or presenting something that may have been a previous photo as brand new. And we're starting, I feel like this leads into this whole new era where we are with AI being able to create things and to change things so easily. There's an AI tool for absolutely everything these days. And it's interesting to me that, especially in the UK, that the news agencies recall the photo when they, in my opinion, very routinely cross ethical boundaries when it comes to reporting on the royal family. So they don't cover things that are truthful. They have these backhand deals with the royal family, and the way that they operate is so far outside of what I would consider to be ethical. But you have a problem with a photo that was manipulated. Yeah.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0iULw-b9SgbLOi0P1zX6yNpCECL6VOTtFVvYfJzf4kD1rxP-b3arZvFmbndxVEkZmvo15QRahcupPXbImQW20-rB52U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=270.16'>04:30</a>):</p>
<p>Really, how ironic.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5aIMY-kJGUuguBmZL2AGIPEMN-o41CYZvyA8FKnsxwi4BLxMI9KgL2IpRQ0jY6fTuoDdeSX5hZNtx6pcmK19YLMCtqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.41'>04:32</a>):</p>
<p>That certainly adds to the weirdness of it all. But as you say, it does open us up to the broader concept of how AI is. I'll use the negative connotation of infiltrating. I mean, we've already had an AI-created robocall, allegedly from President Biden, to influence primary voters in certain states in a negative way. So we know to be on the lookout, but people who aren't in this field of work, they're not expecting it as much as we are. And it's really going to be, I'll say a bumpy ride, but we really all need to be vigilant about what we consume. Even silly stuff like Royal news.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HaxhrM3NsmCvHi38VFAno64iMRvM7eOJmwySYP7_qVliow6SzMV8EvLM1kaKWFxaXLDxCp-4fNLNdHu0MdjLXrXuECc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.51'>05:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Honestly, we are seeing more and more AI generated content, and it's not necessarily coming from our traditional news outlets where they're adhering to a standard of journalistic integrity. This is coming from other outlets and they're flat out taking articles from other outlets and just rewriting them in ai. And we're going to try to discuss this topic in depth and with some seriousness at a later time. But it's worth calling it out at this time that, again, as you, not it, Michelle, and this is really important to us as communicators. As communicators, while we can, we have a trained eye and we're looking for these things, and we understand how to tell human generated content from AI content that's not always clear to consumers of information. And it makes our jobs a lot harder because at one point, I think we were all battling the battle against social issues and political issues and fighting against mal and disinformation. He also knew that it could come for our clients. But today, it's easier than ever, as I said, with AI bots taking articles and resending them out. And that means your client's quotes could get manipulated. Information about your client can be used in a malicious way. It's very concerning. And I think, if I'm being honest, for myself personally, you feel like you're fighting it and it almost feels like playing a game of whack-a-mole that you're never going to win.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iOgxDuHOMhCb0cxlaae7Zf3S1gY2Re-uFjCcnFFH-yvYFtn1ccyk8KprVoax9XLqCrR6KlQHL0t-7UO2_zk82kr0Jbk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=434.27'>07:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really amps up the reputation management portion of our work, whereas it's like, okay, keep my eye on Google reviews and things that people say and alerts, and now it's like, oh, okay. It's just a whole new sphere of potential influence that can harm clients. And again, I think vigilance is the word of the day is vigilance and just needing to try and stay ahead of this, but knowing that it is happening more and more is a definite good first step to that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IoGHEqq9gdvFmVaGArzHK4bj99-4TpjkTh4EQQSzhyzx1LrZRs9hlajmx3uUCW-ZGxMYQy1uo8Dh9zb-v7gsNkUdAo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.01'>07:56</a>):</p>
<p>True.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wN1rot3muUNr6mlvxXf-6Osms0tjef5ad7VDrLLa7VOsL9C5u70XiIFkCNLw2ofA7jtmqzY4YMoxk7vcq19h40w2UjY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=476.48'>07:56</a>):</p>
<p>So that's that. I'll be watching that silly story the rest of the day. I have a feeling it's just in case of, I dunno, they're tripping over themselves. I'm like, whatever.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8yrOz0TD9yZigr9iLjj36QtfpDfsaxFDRVGZA-lGF7xmJ42O4DBBICjocuABL_9v67PW2hLxUa5p_AB3e25_KAMsA7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=485.51'>08:05</a>):</p>
<p>Well, we've had the photo things called out in the United States as well. There've been incidents with the Kardashians and their bad photo editing and fans have called it out on social media. Yeah, that's not your hand. That's not, and so photos, I would say, listen, the woman had surgery, apparently. Basically, she probably is not looking yet in her best self in a way that she wants to present to the public, but obviously we as PR people know, so just post a collage of old photos or post little from the past. There's so many ways that she could have managed this. She could have posted a photo to say, one of my favorite Mother's Day photos and post something that is not how you look right now in this moment and pretend that it's this year's Mother's Day photo. That was just dumb.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NxqsF9GQAmJWf1OVjG_4d78nzzgIxg_SwIqtpFhvhxYdP20RMhNvY5YJiCEU4Ym3pvbvI9xQ6w-uxbXTfZYBI-b76gc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.97'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>That was dumb. There's so many different ways to play this. Take a picture of the pretty flowers that William should have bought. You</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w3EPItF-13yDv7vA-Dcm701j2cDdcvZym2EP093tnwpbKQLJ4nY7u4djVQyUVhMmksnmUHxA1vCFK_0BdZOBAgeg7S8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.54'>09:09</a>):</p>
<p>Just photograph the</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ydla95jkX4r3SJH279UuC45KymVpQ9aPBwcHaCFuHssLb7zT9aKeYHAQl1JdYPESv-gj30h86ipKNc0a5MJUNUtN1Nw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=551.1'>09:11</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RkXEY_ulBV9QCGDBP7VKBQNEUdXWIJd6ci7sGj86SdKc1KTtIT6URwQ4rI7WPGNIBHJubuJw2CnE6Lod_usZPOCRPM0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.48'>09:12</a>):</p>
<p>These are my loves. I mean, come on. There's just a million different ways to have handled that that would've been smarter than getting called out and then letting people spit out. Because even though I don't follow the royal family, I unfortunately cannot escape it when I'm reading news. And so I see these headlines about her being spotted and grainy photos, and I'm like, oh, for Pete's sake, it feels like she is a criminal. It's creepy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DC3xBW_6T41Hd3zHWsF8ATlwLCOP23NSLn2t1KDarz3WG21gzubZynECghlu6ijTL_iGsuRh9ZBlZJJvy-MPdwOASzU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=586.77'>09:46</a>):</p>
<p>Well, one thing I did see, which I thought that's like a recipe for a hot mess this morning, saying that, and I guess I knew this on one level, again, it doesn't affect my day to day, but that each house, so to speak, has their own comms team independent of one another. So there really is no united fronts. So you've got the king and the, I can't say queen, the king and his wife have their press, and there's allegedly no uniform coordination. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wTt99lWyfw_qtD9Cox9JRY4mE0GU39xzdMhkWUNGIxxjgf2t2SeDI9xcS0ESSDciFjlxBLHGfT8pT6JAfDFjoeNQDlI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=621.99'>10:21</a>):</p>
<p>I think I had heard that in the</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2YO-GoQXjYCrmVWb7aByyYZeF6OOmyE9LJv0PpP-7RDcq-0FQCzOcBDwBQfUvfydTsxkh8lpic-orepsXv30XbLWUJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.77'>10:25</a>):</p>
<p>They need to fix that. They need to fix that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5HAnHhwGVXrNOQIK1NlrAwHUvbTEhpXtOqyGJMBbo0CmVJKobyFvRcYClr52TT-FAxE9OLzcC3qHpSm0kMldc_erRi0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=628.84'>10:28</a>):</p>
<p>Does that not speak to a lot of what happens in corporate America as well? There's no unified messaging or teams that people are disjointed. And when you have everyone operating on their own agenda, chaos rains. And so here's a lesson for brands out there, and I know that our solos have to work against these circumstances. In many instances, when you can't speak with a unified voice, you are going to have a problem at some point. And how it shows up can't, we can tell you some examples of how it shows up, but you will have a problem, not you might. You will for sure. Definitely. So it's a good lesson. You can't have that. You can't have everyone operating independently. And it's funny because now you also have the rise, or I should say it's firmly in our culture to have a personal brand. When you're an executive or when you're a rising manager and even just an employee of the company, people have their personal brands.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IqI-0qvohSr4hIHcbkDtKXNq_SDdDt4XK4H2rZpbIiYOlP0FfBlAqMwZhA2FnD-c7CcaaWQNthnjD6XiI5NL5PfYI2k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=692.88'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>And sometimes when your brand has elevated enough, you have your own PR person or publicist. You might be writing a book and then you're pursuing your own interests, but you're leveraging your position in your company here too. There should be coordination because if you are a CEO of a company and you have your own PR team for your personal interests, you are still being seen as a representative of your company. So you need to loop in your company's PR team, and you all need to walk in a single step to ensure that you, in promoting your own brand, are not doing damage to the company brand.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u_3hCohjMK_APN96Ht629BpL6eLzaxrtyF6YyN9SbbAmSfGlWZ56SeTV2GNiokZtmOqmruBEvYw44uWUo2JaBNxwLps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=734.53'>12:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And so often the pushback that you get or the reaction that you receive is that, oh, you're just trying to control everything. It's like, well, yes and no. Yes. Within reason, because your paycheck is still signed by this entity that you are using, for lack of a better word, to raise your own profile. And yeah, we just need to know, I always say, I don't need to know everything, but I need to know everything. It doesn't mean I'm going to get into micromanage, but absolutely the united front, because that's something that certainly communicates. It could certainly harm your brand if your brand has to scurry after you. And even if it isn't a big mess to clean up, it just doesn't look, it makes the brand look like it doesn't know what it's doing, and that would instill doubt in their product or their service, and nobody wants that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SarVLhtoKo3rmENxFFA3m2qSyr6xTrTm4wsPeAdz_GMzXWQ0b0Y5wjaBPnsiSYt4BwgjmcN0NlIsOD0nL2xVUrgF-Qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=791.5'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. Well, Michelle, you watched the Oscars.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/juzqhZARde3jK8_WzMcstCHyuDPhZMUJcoNGx7stKwGTgTyjV7WqDCiyMMp86QQEXX_GwfMuWu_LomJ6tKQtfLFUOBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=796.09'>13:16</a>):</p>
<p>I did. It's my Super Bowl. And it's so funny that the infamous incident, I was sitting there watching this and that thing that happened last year, I thought, wow, was that just last year? It feels like 10 years ago.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Db7rWcyz4xJNoWdl6hTq3gcFvDuBHwJHOCfXUPCHoS_1cu2IQmgVCz3UvbJPkJ9oQyfE2oyKwbglv_PjjMx6veCf4PI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=810.16'>13:30</a>):</p>
<p>It does.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrylW9wotxzZZ91szlfGEOlD6yOyPS25MUgU9Q65XS8cCSNuTbEsHjNY_Tuu-MHs_UiKHHlgahg2zy0w4lCNSOTFY7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=812.23'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>So nothing like that happened. I don't think anything too crazy happened. At least it didn't register on my radar. It was a pretty mundane night. They ended relatively on time. There were some neat elements of the Hollywood community gathering, and I'm sure much of which were predetermined bits. It was fun to see interesting pairings like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Danny DeVito recreating their twins duo, and both of them having been Batman villains, calling out Michael Keaton in the audience for killing them both.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IBIB6T0edVkq2Wfud4BL08dkUMx6DnZT5n7c3PenCJx5_AKKc1irFNqmqURXfX8sOJtJh8fPl2KRTD6ILBOm3XexOOI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.07'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>That's fun.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mfvgJ_wOrEO0DOmG46ChmUee_xxski5jU17VerP89CHklanbkYjewSbLhhWSNsnnqOKkYmS9SXfKK5lOs_7ObjUaKNM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.67'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>And they were going to have a talk at the after party, but the one thing that I really loved was the way they had the presentation of the four major acting awards. They pulled in five previous winners to do the presentation. And so each past winner got a nominee to speak to, and it was really neat. Sometimes there were some connections, and I thought, oh, you're making everyone cry before they even get up there. So that was kind of cool. Then of course, John Cena recreating the streak episode that David Nivan handled with such a plum in the seventies, but that was definitely a bit Jimmy Kimmel had coordinated. He was pretty good at coordinating some bits. So I would say it was relatively uneventful. Of course, I don't know. Anyone who knows me on social media knows that. I think I'm just Ken as an absolute banger of a song, and I get why the Nice song won. But Ryan Gosling brought it's, they did an incredible production number of, I am Just Complete with Mark Ronson, who was a co-writer slash from Roses, and of course Wolfgang Van Halen who was on the recording. So yeah, if you love movies, it was a good night. If you're a nerd like me that loves the history of it all, and oh, that's meaningful because X, Y, Z, it was a good night for you too. I hope so. That was fun.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SNRm48NLwIUu5YRAF4oaKa_syTcMvGAWX6p33MMsVqQnBgVbHXMeOsofD-MqEP6wRbxmQMnTlTdWAkhsUVGpMYyWCLE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=940.94'>15:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I saw a couple pictures here and there, and of course I saw the fashion pictures, but you know what was interesting, the Essence Awards, which does not get far,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LHERk2OJGqEeyly3QolvBPgjVEj83EnGRnbhGlHQ0jTobMRH5MLD5rNDeCnMZ2PLmW3qBokkFm_l-adqLelOaCDt_iw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=951.02'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>No, it doesn't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5P8Z6jYh7uK2FccxyxnmL8PS0JgFYXkY2hLgK4o-pF1tx5U7WzRLfoV-IDuGXX4l1ifP2HZkly8T_QbJTvPmY35l8kw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=951.56'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Media attention was just a few days ago as well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G29qdi9zCxqznQuB5kog-IbSRSc6gORN3RMOHjz5EOt9tgr5MkQw__0-HGgHnGubYjgpDJpEbsyMshGCvSTlcijVpzg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=955.7'>15:55</a>):</p>
<p>Hit me up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oBlB9bpFyn504KS4_rsFpAmkzae4iceg2XHph7mJNfdojyohtzlsI46AD9486u8mNUkO6HSEtn3E50vbYUN-sG-8poM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=956.48'>15:56</a>):</p>
<p>These ladies brought the looks. They served looks that were incredible and fierce, and what an empowering time for women to come together to celebrate women. It was just, I wish that it got a lot more attention than it does, because this is not just a black woman event. It's just something that everyone can enjoy that you bring together this great talent and hearing from people who were in that room, just how it uplifts them and how everyone leaves feeling more creative and ready to achieve their dreams and fulfilled. And I will say, I don't know, I can't speak for men, but I know for women, period, when we get together and we celebrate one another, there is truly something special about that that leaves you on a high for a long time. We need more of</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2N9Sht92xFEOQlaEvXZt8g6EKnYvExl3IBOr1kWoLMYiOJ2A1-apy2hQPFYAN1jGYb0LGVwslS6i8EP3cjV6Uc7VnCA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1011.21'>16:51</a>):</p>
<p>That. That is so true. That is so true. And yeah, I don't like that. I have to trip over something like the essence of awards. Well, going through the remote, I love all of it. And what you said is so true because it's funny, I was messaging with a friend who is quite ensconced in her world right now, and she's like, oh, I'm not going to watch, and she's a creative, and I said, I think you really should watch, because people will slag off on award shows. Oh, it's just blah, blah, blah, and they just talk about themselves. I'm like, no, it's inspiring. It's soul food because these people, they share some of their story, many of them as they accept, and it's just a real touch point of Yeah, you're right. That's why we tell stories. That's why we do this. It's not just what are you wearing and who did what with who. It's important because so many of our films and our media are reflections of where we are, who we are, who we want to be, where we want to go. It has value within. Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Eugfg8_ifIPDC2q1QgRqlXxlsK-mpAedriFPEC8yGrk3SrCdkAMyBg83Jz60YIg1PAGCjiwRGeoBHcfFGOFfAjHG7Fc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1076.22'>17:56</a>):</p>
<p>I totally appreciate that viewpoint. I've got a really good friend who is a writer and producer, and during the covid time, she encouraged people, even though everything was shut down to continue to write and create, because she saw it as their duty to chronicle history. And it's really such a beautiful thing, whether you're a comedian, whatever you do creatively, you are portraying the times. And even now we look back, we look at old films, we look at old paintings and sculptures, anything that was created in past times, and it gives us into a window, into the culture, into what was happening, the political scene, I'm sure that we'll look back. We look back at previous Oscars and we see the creatives that were unified around causes, we've seen them take stands about social justice and different things. This year, it was the war in Israel, and we see them take a stand, and I do think that you're right. It is important to sometimes, I know we PR people, we live in our world, we live in our industry, we live in the businesses of our clients. We live in the business world, but we should remember that the creative endeavors hold an important place as well, and they really do portray our history right now. So it's important to participate in that and to acknowledge that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xNWZZjB9khd4-6cy58eJC6u1G-jiloFPICL49RAvN8mh3voJGaY8fBUrzEFQdfV0g3j_0lhpigmSLIhGabdREk3BIZY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1168.77'>19:28</a>):</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:17):
Hey, Michelle. How are you? I am, I wasn't drinking last night, but I was partying with my family. We threw my sister a big birthday bash, and so I have a party hangover.
Michelle Kane (00:31):
There we go.
Karen Swim, APR (00:32):
I'm not sure if you're seeing straight. I'm tired, but so happy. My voice just came back like an hour ago.
Michelle Kane (00:39):
Well, that was good. That was it. And for our listeners, this will hit March 18th, but we are recording this March 11, which is the day, also the day after the Oscar. So since that's my Super Bowl, I have an Oscar hangover. Not to mention, we all lost an hour this weekend to daylight savings, so we're all just kind of coming into this day going like, what? But we're here, so we're going to keep it a little light. We're dubbing this The Hangover Episode since, hey, not for nothing. It's going to be airing the day after St. Patrick's Day. So if you all do your due diligence, you'll be feeling like us when you hear this so,
Karen Swim, APR (01:19):
So true.
Michelle Kane (01:20):
We'll try and keep it a little quiet.
Karen Swim, APR (01:21):
Okay.
Michelle Kane (01:24):
But yeah, it was an interesting weekend, I have to say. And we're just really going to riff on some things that we have seen. Of course, the Oscars usually give you a lot of things to chew on. And during the Oscars as I was too, screening the event as I do, this weird thing came up with, in the UK it was Mother's Day, Mothering Sunday, and this weird thing came up with a photo that the Princess of Wales had posted with her kids, and four major – AP, Getty -- agencies issued a kill order for this photo, which apparently is not done very often. And due to it not being what they called a true photo, apparently there was some manipulation that caused concern. Now, I'm not going to wear a tinfoil hat today and get into the weeds of all the conspiracies of Catherine. Where is she? I mean, look, this is not Scientology and Shelly Miscavige. No, but it's just like you're already watching a major event and you're scrolling. What? Huh? And people are pointing out some Photoshop issues. And although to say AP is saying, look, we expect things like if you do some burning, you do some tone changes. Those are okay as if you're a comms pro. But I don't know, it was just weird. Another weird blip in our lives of where every day is like, huh?
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s no secret the media landscape is changing and it’s only intensifying the effect on how PR pros do media relations. In this episode we talk about taking the time to evaluate our tactics and get creative  to reach our client’s audiences.</p>
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<p>Speaker 1:           Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. We are currently in the month of March. I had a client that was asking me for Q1 stuff this week and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give it to you when Q one's over. And they were like, it's still March. And I'm like, it barely started so that many people are feeling exactly like my client.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yes, yes. I've had to remind myself what month, wait. Oh, okay.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           It seems to be running over us. It's not that it seems like it's later in the month, it just feels like it's running over us and then backing up in reverse and doing it again.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if it's that we're just so eager to maybe get through this calendar year for many reasons or maybe just afraid of falling behind. I don't know. There are a lot of factors at work, I think. Yeah, stuff's been a lot. It's been a lot. And to add to that, I mean we talk about this often about how our job is as the storytellers for our clients to really sing their news and their praises and their efforts and how the media landscape has changed. And it's really even changed that I've seen on the hyper-local level that what used to be the extremely low hanging fruit of Yay you gave so-and-so a something, lemme send a picture and it would be an easy get. And it's not so much anymore, which in a way it's been kind of fun to pull back and think, alright, challenge time, how do we get more creative about telling our story to the people we want to see and hear it? So we thought we'd riff about that a little bit because I'm sure many of you out there are experiencing that on a number of levels</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           To say the least. Media relations has undergone a significant shift and a lot of that is really due to the shrinking number of outlets and the lack of money with publications. So in addition to layoffs, there's just fewer publications altogether. And then publications that even used to be free are now charging. So you can get in there if you for a fee, but then that really harms organizations like nonprofits and smaller companies that had a fair shot at doing some of those things. And those publications targeted their audience. I mean, I think the other thing, Michelle, and I'm sure that you're seeing this, is we really do have to take a step back and say, where's our audience at these days? Because it used to be pretty clear cut, but I feel like that is changing so much. And it's because coupled with the shrinking media outlets is that consumers do not trust institutions. They don't trust employers, they don't trust companies, they don't trust media outlets. And so where are people really going for their information,</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Right? Because we also know that while some may give social media as the easy answer, that's not the complete picture either. There are people that you might think, oh, I bet you're on Facebook who don't have Facebook accounts, or are you doing TikTok? Are you not doing TikTok? So you really do. It's not as simple as it was not too long ago.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           And I think in many ways, perhaps the answer is in hyper targeting your digital advertising efforts, but that's a whole other conversation for a whole other day. But perhaps even doing that to an extent with your information. I mean one perhaps snooze worthy example is just the small thing of, okay, you have a client that yes, they still want to grow their Facebook page, that's great. But I have found over the last couple of years it's far more effective if I use interesting, informative content than the blah like my page ad. People don't they want. So people want to interact with your information. It's like you say, it's finding them and making sure that we are in front of them and keeping in mind that any given client's audience is in a multitude of different segments at any given time. You've got the casual people, the ready to make a move. People, I don't even know who you are people.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           And I think it's also important because of all the challenges, more important than ever, this has always been true for PR pros to really take a step back and force their clients to answer the right set of questions. What's my goal with this? I have announcement, and we all know that clients think every announcement is news. A product announcement is not news. That's not something that reporters will be interested in. Product announcement will be interesting if it helps the people who buy your products and services. Yes, they will be interested in new features and new things or people that were looking at you. So potential customers, so who can use that information, your sales team, your customer's teams, and then any outreach that you have to your audience. The media is not always the answer. And PR pros really, I get it. Our clients always see this as this is the thing that's going to change our life. And that's never been true, but it's definitely not true today. I feel like in this day and age, we cannot assume that everybody's on social media. They are not.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Right?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           They really are not including younger generations. This is funny, yesterday I caught 10 minutes of the news. I wanted to see the weather and they were talking about a local trial here and the jury questions and they questioned a juror that was younger and she had not heard about the trial because she doesn't watch or read the news and she's not on social media at all. And they were like, yes, she's not on social media. And they were like the anchor people were shocked.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           But you know what?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Don't think that just because someone is in a demographic that they're on a social media site. Exactly. Facebook too. Facebook usage, I'm sure the daily usage has declined greatly. And if you're targeting people that are making decisions about your product, Facebook is probably not your answer today. It was 10 years ago, but in 2024, it's not the answer. If you already have a nice community there and they do engage with you, definitely you want to nurture that, but you really need to rethink these strategies. The one thing that has consistently over the years been effective and is I believe and underutilized tool is email.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           I was just thinking that email and even I'm going to say it, direct mail depending where you're, but yeah, I mean your email database, that's your gold mine. Truly, these are the people that I don't care if they want to engage with you, if they hear from you once a year for a special offer depending on what your type of business is or these are the people that have said, yes, I want to hear from you and you own that land, so to speak, and you can really be effective. And</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Yes, and I mean that means investing in email marketing software. We're not talking about sending emails from your company email account, whether or not a lot of companies still do. We actually want to go to the process because you need to be smart about sending emails. So you don't want to send out an email every day. That's just because people will feel like they're being spammed. You really want to use the analytics, you want to segment your audience types you want to target specifically because you want to really personalize it and tailor it for the members of your audience. So there will people that will gobble up more. There will people that maybe just want to hear from you for certain things. You need to give them options about what they receive. Email marketing software allows you to do that. But when you build a healthy list, you really have such a golden opportunity to really nurture those relationships and really build your audience and you can build community with an email.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           It's funny because a lot of journalists have turned to Substack and other communities like Substack for that exact same reason. It's very focused, it's very targeted around content and a very specific type of content. It's not the noise of social groups. You really have to opt into this information to receive it and all the content is not free. So keep in mind that there are still ways to reach people today, but you really do need to think about maybe walking away from some of the broader, throw it all on the wall and see what stick strategy and getting down into more niched communities and really refining those processes that still work. And I love email for marketing. I love it. I think we're all missing out on leveraging it for the powerful tool that it remains in 2024.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And just remembering too, the broader integrated picture of, I forget what the number is these days. Is it 14? 27? How many times does someone have to see something to engage with it, even when asked, oh, so what made you actually contact us? Oh, I saw a billboard. It's like, well, no, we didn't do a billboard, but okay, fair enough. You saw something. So keeping that in mind too. But yeah, I mean these are certainly challenging times and you definitely need to step back and take a look and say, okay, what am I doing? What's working, what isn't? And I would hazard to guess that many of us have clients that are underusing their email marketing tools and they could be using them more to do deeper dives to engage on a deeper level with their base and grow it from there. Because how easy is it to then say, oh my goodness, I got this great piece of information from you, I'm going to forward that to a friend. Boom.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Yeah, I see this. The challenges really are an opportunity for PR posts to be more strategic, to really demonstrate the value that they have beyond media relations. And I'm not saying that media relations is dead, it is not. It just different today. And I know lots of public relations consultants who have completely left the profession because media relations and they said it's just too hard. Many of those are not, of course, our members who are well-rounded and very strategic, but I say this for anybody who's out there who really has been just pushing that lever hard because you came out of the traditional agency world and that's what you did. You got hits that it's really time to leverage your full skillset. We believe you have the skills. We know that you do. We know that you know more and you're going to have to really start to counsel your clients a bit differently and really start to make sure that you are forcing them to answer the right questions so that you can develop a strategy that's more robust than just hit, hit, hit, hit, hit.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Exactly.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           That does not.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           And you know what? The good news that doing this makes us all better at what we do makes the profession better. It will help our clients get better results. And we want to hear from you. What are you thinking these days? What are you experiencing? Tell us@solopro.com and maybe we'll talk about it on a future episode. We'd love to hear some feedback because it's just our brains at the moment. But we do. We so appreciate your time, we appreciate you giving us your ears every week. And please do sign up for the newsletter@soloprpro.com so you know all the goodness that is happening there. And until next time, thanks for listening to that solo life.</p>
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<p>Speaker 1:           Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. We are currently in the month of March. I had a client that was asking me for Q1 stuff this week and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give it to you when Q one's over. And they were like, it's still March. And I'm like, it barely started so that many people are feeling exactly like my client.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yes, yes. I've had to remind myself what month, wait. Oh, okay.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           It seems to be running over us. It's not that it seems like it's later in the month, it just feels like it's running over us and then backing up in reverse and doing it again.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if it's that we're just so eager to maybe get through this calendar year for many reasons or maybe just afraid of falling behind. I don't know. There are a lot of factors at work, I think. Yeah, stuff's been a lot. It's been a lot. And to add to that, I mean we talk about this often about how our job is as the storytellers for our clients to really sing their news and their praises and their efforts and how the media landscape has changed. And it's really even changed that I've seen on the hyper-local level that what used to be the extremely low hanging fruit of Yay you gave so-and-so a something, lemme send a picture and it would be an easy get. And it's not so much anymore, which in a way it's been kind of fun to pull back and think, alright, challenge time, how do we get more creative about telling our story to the people we want to see and hear it? So we thought we'd riff about that a little bit because I'm sure many of you out there are experiencing that on a number of levels</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           To say the least. Media relations has undergone a significant shift and a lot of that is really due to the shrinking number of outlets and the lack of money with publications. So in addition to layoffs, there's just fewer publications altogether. And then publications that even used to be free are now charging. So you can get in there if you for a fee, but then that really harms organizations like nonprofits and smaller companies that had a fair shot at doing some of those things. And those publications targeted their audience. I mean, I think the other thing, Michelle, and I'm sure that you're seeing this, is we really do have to take a step back and say, where's our audience at these days? Because it used to be pretty clear cut, but I feel like that is changing so much. And it's because coupled with the shrinking media outlets is that consumers do not trust institutions. They don't trust employers, they don't trust companies, they don't trust media outlets. And so where are people really going for their information,</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Right? Because we also know that while some may give social media as the easy answer, that's not the complete picture either. There are people that you might think, oh, I bet you're on Facebook who don't have Facebook accounts, or are you doing TikTok? Are you not doing TikTok? So you really do. It's not as simple as it was not too long ago.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           And I think in many ways, perhaps the answer is in hyper targeting your digital advertising efforts, but that's a whole other conversation for a whole other day. But perhaps even doing that to an extent with your information. I mean one perhaps snooze worthy example is just the small thing of, okay, you have a client that yes, they still want to grow their Facebook page, that's great. But I have found over the last couple of years it's far more effective if I use interesting, informative content than the blah like my page ad. People don't they want. So people want to interact with your information. It's like you say, it's finding them and making sure that we are in front of them and keeping in mind that any given client's audience is in a multitude of different segments at any given time. You've got the casual people, the ready to make a move. People, I don't even know who you are people.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           And I think it's also important because of all the challenges, more important than ever, this has always been true for PR pros to really take a step back and force their clients to answer the right set of questions. What's my goal with this? I have announcement, and we all know that clients think every announcement is news. A product announcement is not news. That's not something that reporters will be interested in. Product announcement will be interesting if it helps the people who buy your products and services. Yes, they will be interested in new features and new things or people that were looking at you. So potential customers, so who can use that information, your sales team, your customer's teams, and then any outreach that you have to your audience. The media is not always the answer. And PR pros really, I get it. Our clients always see this as this is the thing that's going to change our life. And that's never been true, but it's definitely not true today. I feel like in this day and age, we cannot assume that everybody's on social media. They are not.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Right?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           They really are not including younger generations. This is funny, yesterday I caught 10 minutes of the news. I wanted to see the weather and they were talking about a local trial here and the jury questions and they questioned a juror that was younger and she had not heard about the trial because she doesn't watch or read the news and she's not on social media at all. And they were like, yes, she's not on social media. And they were like the anchor people were shocked.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           But you know what?</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Don't think that just because someone is in a demographic that they're on a social media site. Exactly. Facebook too. Facebook usage, I'm sure the daily usage has declined greatly. And if you're targeting people that are making decisions about your product, Facebook is probably not your answer today. It was 10 years ago, but in 2024, it's not the answer. If you already have a nice community there and they do engage with you, definitely you want to nurture that, but you really need to rethink these strategies. The one thing that has consistently over the years been effective and is I believe and underutilized tool is email.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           I was just thinking that email and even I'm going to say it, direct mail depending where you're, but yeah, I mean your email database, that's your gold mine. Truly, these are the people that I don't care if they want to engage with you, if they hear from you once a year for a special offer depending on what your type of business is or these are the people that have said, yes, I want to hear from you and you own that land, so to speak, and you can really be effective. And</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Yes, and I mean that means investing in email marketing software. We're not talking about sending emails from your company email account, whether or not a lot of companies still do. We actually want to go to the process because you need to be smart about sending emails. So you don't want to send out an email every day. That's just because people will feel like they're being spammed. You really want to use the analytics, you want to segment your audience types you want to target specifically because you want to really personalize it and tailor it for the members of your audience. So there will people that will gobble up more. There will people that maybe just want to hear from you for certain things. You need to give them options about what they receive. Email marketing software allows you to do that. But when you build a healthy list, you really have such a golden opportunity to really nurture those relationships and really build your audience and you can build community with an email.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           It's funny because a lot of journalists have turned to Substack and other communities like Substack for that exact same reason. It's very focused, it's very targeted around content and a very specific type of content. It's not the noise of social groups. You really have to opt into this information to receive it and all the content is not free. So keep in mind that there are still ways to reach people today, but you really do need to think about maybe walking away from some of the broader, throw it all on the wall and see what stick strategy and getting down into more niched communities and really refining those processes that still work. And I love email for marketing. I love it. I think we're all missing out on leveraging it for the powerful tool that it remains in 2024.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And just remembering too, the broader integrated picture of, I forget what the number is these days. Is it 14? 27? How many times does someone have to see something to engage with it, even when asked, oh, so what made you actually contact us? Oh, I saw a billboard. It's like, well, no, we didn't do a billboard, but okay, fair enough. You saw something. So keeping that in mind too. But yeah, I mean these are certainly challenging times and you definitely need to step back and take a look and say, okay, what am I doing? What's working, what isn't? And I would hazard to guess that many of us have clients that are underusing their email marketing tools and they could be using them more to do deeper dives to engage on a deeper level with their base and grow it from there. Because how easy is it to then say, oh my goodness, I got this great piece of information from you, I'm going to forward that to a friend. Boom.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           Yeah, I see this. The challenges really are an opportunity for PR posts to be more strategic, to really demonstrate the value that they have beyond media relations. And I'm not saying that media relations is dead, it is not. It just different today. And I know lots of public relations consultants who have completely left the profession because media relations and they said it's just too hard. Many of those are not, of course, our members who are well-rounded and very strategic, but I say this for anybody who's out there who really has been just pushing that lever hard because you came out of the traditional agency world and that's what you did. You got hits that it's really time to leverage your full skillset. We believe you have the skills. We know that you do. We know that you know more and you're going to have to really start to counsel your clients a bit differently and really start to make sure that you are forcing them to answer the right questions so that you can develop a strategy that's more robust than just hit, hit, hit, hit, hit.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           Exactly.</p>
<p>Speaker 2:           That does not.</p>
<p>Speaker 1:           And you know what? The good news that doing this makes us all better at what we do makes the profession better. It will help our clients get better results. And we want to hear from you. What are you thinking these days? What are you experiencing? Tell us@solopro.com and maybe we'll talk about it on a future episode. We'd love to hear some feedback because it's just our brains at the moment. But we do. We so appreciate your time, we appreciate you giving us your ears every week. And please do sign up for the newsletter@soloprpro.com so you know all the goodness that is happening there. And until next time, thanks for listening to that solo life.</p>
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Speaker 1:           Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?
Speaker 2:           Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. We are currently in the month of March. I had a client that was asking me for Q1 stuff this week and I'm like, yeah, I'm going to give it to you when Q one's over. And they were like, it's still March. And I'm like, it barely started so that many people are feeling exactly like my client.
Speaker 1:           Yes, yes. I've had to remind myself what month, wait. Oh, okay.
Speaker 2:           It seems to be running over us. It's not that it seems like it's later in the month, it just feels like it's running over us and then backing up in reverse and doing it again.
Speaker 1:           Yeah. Yeah. I wonder if it's that we're just so eager to maybe get through this calendar year for many reasons or maybe just afraid of falling behind. I don't know. There are a lot of factors at work, I think. Yeah, stuff's been a lot. It's been a lot. And to add to that, I mean we talk about this often about how our job is as the storytellers for our clients to really sing their news and their praises and their efforts and how the media landscape has changed. And it's really even changed that I've seen on the hyper-local level that what used to be the extremely low hanging fruit of Yay you gave so-and-so a something, lemme send a picture and it would be an easy get. And it's not so much anymore, which in a way it's been kind of fun to pull back and think, alright, challenge time, how do we get more creative about telling our story to the people we want to see and hear it? So we thought we'd riff about that a little bit because I'm sure many of you out there are experiencing that on a number of levels
Speaker 2:           To say the least. Media relations has undergone a significant shift and a lot of that is really due to the shrinking number of outlets and the lack of money with publications. So in addition to layoffs, there's just fewer publications altogether. And then publications that even used to be free are now charging. So you can get in there if you for a fee, but then that really harms organizations like nonprofits and smaller companies that had a fair shot at doing some of those things. And those publications targeted their audience. I mean, I think the other thing, Michelle, and I'm sure that you're seeing this, is we really do have to take a step back and say, where's our audience at these days? Because it used to be pretty clear cut, but I feel like that is changing so much. And it's because coupled with the shrinking media outlets is that consumers do not trust institutions. They don't trust employers, they don't trust companies, they don't trust media outlets. And so where are people really going for their information,
Speaker 1:           Right? Because we also know that while some may give social media as the easy answer, that's not the complete picture either. There are people that you might think, oh, I bet you're on Facebook who don't have Facebook accounts, or are you doing TikTok? Are you not doing TikTok? So you really do. It's not as simple as it was not too long ago.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we’re talking about the challenges we face as self-employed professionals in a world where certain sectors of the business world and governmental policies just don’t get us, favoring traditional employment over independent work. From pricing of tools and products to respecting the value solos bring to the table, it’s time to give solo PR pros our respect.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mVjT3_BJrgnrxeeJaFBFxA_40m4ATuip-uGRVTfhTalFRSIVmaxaz6KrZMcz0OM_tV9cwW5e0P9n2mdAzRuUqZNwB5k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.88'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters. And my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hey Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mscWIOwjw8dbBMJaVouPQNRZihxUaaoptnKRJYc1-l4_n1f9xxv-l4GlX1nCwTM0qLCfAbWxGvcbyilfPHN5qShTn30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.62'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I forgot how to turn on the recording and use my mic and all those things and it hasn't been that long. Just my brain's all over the place today. Other than that, I'm great. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bnDGl6kGqok0mTmtYUCW4WKTm3_u8t2lBVCAjXRIAkcOW2S_cDoWRZaE_07Vrf4fcTzfaipWbw0bgUz34aXRxhc68R4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.76'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, it's a little bit of a discombobulating day. I don't know. I didn't, some days are just like that, right? You make sure you read the email two or three times before you send, just to make sure</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eMW_SOkVPM5XGw3T7igmNHGOvO2BWJNgy2kjtntDoEUyLnSZRIO-A9ipqX5_Jy7-AB2xb81mukEDAxg-DOvkABeyBAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.23'>00:46</a>):</p>
<p>I'm telling you. I mean, February is the shortest month, but it is really like it's gotten Napoleon syndrome this year. It's like, yes, I'm short, but I'm the big guy around here. I mean, it's really been shoving us around and showing us who's boss.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8Kzj9CoFh_dG8aIGND1hhTAVP4_GLHHTp0A9UDQvT-SQ6yU9R3D3UKm5GhgGnFa4uHI9IyaSm9yngAy64yRZDib_B88?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=63.99'>01:03</a>):</p>
<p>I'm going to show you what's up. You're going to rue the day you talked crap about me.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CSweauy5nvBHTx7AncsT_Hn4O-KBSTJC_k2GF7fKJh_TCSmXJ16Uc7K6V5Qxi2IOEvDenoaPju2TLR-hsCgAY2U_WFg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.22'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, call me the shortest month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fMNEhwD1v5JDjb4rWvyBMifRm52hwpdKXvwnFbdBD1G7BfHn0D9y0cfPOG2ZeraOynYv3m-y33l--eFtWL52ernOlXk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=72'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I'll show you. I'm going to stick around for a while. Oh my goodness. Yeah, for real, for real. And I think everyone is feeling it. It's always one of the most difficult months to just get through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZIN50jcueBdwZbYKew7HQ3JaCsDVM3hqiMMwhBuUjYJT4Odg1U1fsy-41vlYbe1ZQUXMtFvdaLSrEKCV17VGl2irWeY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.06'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and it's short, but boy has it been jam packed and</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fiS81fK0an1vpfXw6G7EUSeyPO7HHU-kcOUuVfAn6dtiVWZM5xBjS2Hn0PAAl5cXiKeFunOTrg-Hs_m1cuxh-F4hHh4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.44'>01:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, it's a lot.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z-D6rGTBjEv6VBWCCMIgRcSXPHSOWZS5icWYt9dznNKu4g1BUul7NkbxIU6B_OQ1njU-DENKi1sidG-DLo_DBwmRswQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.21'>01:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I'm ready for a spring break or something. Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Aw1xGNadbe-Rx2HaaxspMPwD6LCD6m6DOVI1ltjB23uoKVYhTMqjQzs1CwXhBzHf-FGPBUFpQ1AQ9FsMHgbJ7VaJpCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.53'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and of course it has to be rude and be a leap year this year, so it's like I'm even going to add a day. Yeah, take that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NOom_cG1Vk77_TN1yWOGwMdhX_lIRNYP0ibPJWXtDqL3G0wbZ8EMXcQ4Vpyk-cniCzhUcnwcilktAVAT-xgdRXetKt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.65'>01:49</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zh2LrU5eQeFz1IHDdX93wXJEwMSjLImI1qOuubPxgEpj3P9RPk839OVes8YTTwFYcPA9CpG_oRg9cijPCzM9y2zwoao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.08'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>How can I flip this? Speaking of Napoleon complexes? No,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/19YaGxgZZQdz_ShCXvXMHhjrtIAnbg8NV_vSsDgY4CQRCEQFEUXchdh2Vwqit2iwUMnPGW79TnJtXRCimPuNDdj81T0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.97'>01:56</a>):</p>
<p>No. Maybe a little David and Goliath. Anyway, what we're going to talk about today or attempt to is just how, I don't think economy's the right word, but how our business world is set up really to favor the employed as opposed to the self-employed. We saw that with the pandemic where for the first time ever self-employed people, even though if you're a corporation of someone who is self-employed, you still pay unemployment tax. And yet what for the first time, oh, we could file for unemployment. Oh, well, gee, thank you very much. We too contribute to the economy, whatever. But we see it a lot as solos in the tools we use, and we've talked about that, touched on that before of course, but just how, oh, the enterprise version of this is only $12,000 a month. Well, thanks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uCACM9CjH6UHk4iGrRidpNLRQv_LjUaAe00hlFbNtgxWX6fUT0l12pWr2b5CvVTKTJZXiRNFdiZZsluojj1N_RC1bMg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=177.21'>02:57</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So it feels like this is one of the areas of discrimination that we never ever talk about, and it really is discriminatory because it's not just in the pricing, it's really the recognition and respect that many of us choose to be self-employed, and we're going to tackle that whole issue with the Department of Labor very, very soon with an expert. But to put it into context of where we're going with this is from the government. The US government does not like people that are self-employed. They don't understand people who are self-employed. When you say independent contractor, which is a big broad category and definition, the government thinks about Uber drivers and now technicians and other people, they do not think about strategic consultants like us who have really chosen to build a business of one who are very happy working on our own until we aren't, because some people go back and forth, and that is okay too.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MytsqJBKReCHYFqzSQQMEPn5DWqPHKxjEIHN_5vLQKtSxQrOpj5kYdRiw9oaZsRH5LsXg_xLgzE1PYnQwpHfTxEz3KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.87'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>So they don't understand, I'm going to say the flavors of independent work, and there's no good definition that takes into account the people who are truly independent and want to be, and the people who might be forced into being contractors because we know that there are a lot of companies out there that quite frankly just don't want to pay people as employees. Nail technicians are a great example, and they're one of the industries that is under target because your nail technicians show up at the same place every day. They have work hours, they're not working for other people, they're not marketing themselves to other people, and yet they are considered contractors. Construction workers is another category, and we could argue about Uber and Lyft because these are people that work on a platform, but even in that category, there are people that truly want to be independent. What you can't do though is say, I want to be an independent contractor. I don't want to work for a company, but I do want benefits and I want to unionize because now you're mixing. So again, the United States has a very murky view of this.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4zs0ONL_3COSov5lH1qZQNXthvPOj4l7RAgtciiZpSzruL2BXYl8so-x_zOCYKN99Kx1ftnbNlnUkXsxqx2-E_5uobc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.46'>05:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4LYbJWXiPErKzWzIYKJ0W0awnZI-SIbjBpgMAIb1Doby_y6BeEbn6Um6EbmN1B7A6AGnm_MwuSZkGmmQB9mXZwWGuJw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.79'>05:24</a>):</p>
<p>The disrespect continues with how we're treated by companies just all around organizations, when they do content for public relations people, it's largely geared towards people that are employed traditionally, not people like us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nQ1zDvCmb3FvC8RKI7ex1Iso5wmcQlLdH499dfSYYLsAhR_2L13kgcGxUAdO0I13sEB8FaxA6s7WyFFLWVw7mE-KXJA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.87'>05:43</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's so true. And it's interesting, even as you talk to people who are in larger corporations, well, what do you do? I'm like, well, I run a public relations and marketing agency. Well, what do you mean? I'm like, well, what do you mean? What do I mean? Do I need to have 30 people standing behind me? And what I like to say is, I mean, to be honest, I've done the same job in essence my whole career. And whether that was in an ad agency or leading comms in a nonprofit, whether I'm running up the old metal staircase to my art department in my agency days, or I'm emailing someone saying, Hey, can you jo that over and make the logo bigger? Tell me the difference of what I'm doing. And I did that in varying degrees a little bit as employee, now I run my own company. And it's just interesting just the mental shift, not just amongst perhaps colleagues and acquaintances, but yeah, the government, although they seem to understand it at tax time very well, how you're organized. It's amazing to me.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cdJnVYIk3_26NNF1jp8VZlnjZ7Swv5_RVEYEF4eeyP8cQHsgqKGHBZjasGoxlTh_c69ltUiyCBpW8Juy88pbpZiAaAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.64'>06:52</a>):</p>
<p>Technically, it's always a little bit frustrating, for example, when even you go to take some industry surveys and it's all skewed for people who have an employer, and it's like, what about the rest of us who have valid opinions and have experiences? You're not taking into account that we work a little bit differently. And then people automatically looking at us as though we're not businesses. We are, we're entrepreneurs. We founded a company, and it doesn't matter if your company has zero employees, it's still a company, and we don't always get treated that way, but things are not sized for us. So conferences are not sized for us and content is not sized for us. And definitely the price of technological tools are not size for us because these companies forget about a big segment of the public relations and marketing industry by only targeting people that are in these corporations and those big fat dollars.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5uekH1TVBFd-2ve1YLV1CFJjFmiek4VZsYDO75rZ3m_gMlDHR5i1pWZO67KAc6YRZaXLcjxYEx80HVsVpVz5FgoX6PQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.01'>08:04</a>):</p>
<p>But sometimes, and we've seen this in Solo PR Pro, which is why we don't do special offers anymore with new companies. We're very, very, very, very, very, very strict about it these days because too many companies have built their company on the back of solos, and so they give you a great price that's priced for us, and then as soon as they get on the map, they raise those prices and forget that we ever existed. I just won't allow that anymore. I just don't go for it. No, thank you. I'm not interested in giving you access to our audience, only for you to snatch the rug from up under us a year from now.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZTuDX-f-eU0jR-tRW6JDNhN2XFzuB7s88V-E9dGyRT52GiFJO_FuDK9951bB4oQBfzf4LGWAD63EIcOmecME5hLA420?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.86'>08:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, in many ways, I mean, I don't want to sound too pompous here, but in a lot of ways, solos, we experience whatever the next wave is going to be. We experience it first. We're like the college radio of the marketing and PR industry, or Bob, I'm going to stay in our industry silo because I liken it to, Hey, I love my radio station, WXPN in Philadelphia, and I will hear a song on there, songs on there. Next thing you know, oh, suddenly, maybe eight months later I'm hearing this song on satellite or commercial radio and everyone's saying, oh, did you hear that new song? I'm like, WXPN has been playing this for a while. So I see the solos that way, and it's not to be all full of ourselves, but it's because we are the ones, whether we have people working under us or not, we're the ones who experience this stuff first, whether it's something new in social media or just a new way that you have to operate your business. We literally feel the pain or the pleasure of the certain things, whatever the thing is. And so we have that much more experience at running the business because face it, a lot of larger businesses kind of run themselves in many ways,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EfyroEyZMjdW__fOKmsARnbHZ_ISO2Ni7LHDOR8lMd6ctw6ZhppI5ucm7J6wcGuzOKvxSYpvrLgl-BulC8djq9199AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=605.97'>10:05</a>):</p>
<p>And the responsibilities are decentralized that everyone doesn't get the perspective of the whole. Whereas as solos, we really do, and we get that insight into organizations as well. And I think that that's a valuable contribution for people to seek out our viewpoint because we do get exposed to more, and it's no slam on people that work in companies. You guys are doing great work, and we respect you as colleagues. Our jobs often though, require us to learn things and to upskill a little bit faster because there isn't anybody that's telling us that we can't. Whereas in corporate America, your career track is often defined by the position you're in, the department you're in, and you're doing that in collaboration with your employer. As a solo, though, we are often the ones that adopt in demand scales very quickly because we have to. We don't have a backup, we don't have a department behind us. It's us. We're a very, very small team. So yeah, again, and with that, sometimes I have attended educational opportunities and the stuff that is being taught is not at our level. And then I think, and I know that that doesn't just pertain to solos, but you want to say, well, what about the seasoned public relations professionals among us employed and self-employed? Are we always only going to scratch the surface at the beginner and mid level and not go above that? And I understand they need to learn as well, but then we want to keep learning and growing as well. And often that's just not taken into account.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7mIXJ9gQzIQywgG7ZYMlJtaSq0QLILpeFtgSweQ2-jWaRQspa8VsjPi--K6rVv1IakIIRJpLLoQlr43QTD4dKu5OdnU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=722.44'>12:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, excuse me. That's so very true. I mean, even back to what you said about surveys. I can't tell you how many times I've started a survey and I get four or five questions in and I'm like, eh, you're not really talking to me, but I am still, yeah, but I'm still a segment of your audience. So what's up with that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D7cBf9qsRvwRYXm-MdhbruH6wckL7G2KiJbn5xZvKCsBLM_ybkzAN2qOwxI7j2Ghu5r3t4RTFEYlYl8Cgwr3GZ4FptE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=743.62'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right? We want to be sane and we want to be heard. We want to be included. And I think we're past time, and let's be realistic. It is 2024. If the pandemic taught us nothing, it's that people in this country know how to start a business and there are a number of people that want to be in business for themselves. Can we not in this year in age, acknowledge that we exist, that we're economic engines, that we actually create jobs, that we have money, that we spend it, and that we're valuable sometimes being self-employed and then being a woman of a certain age too. I just feel like I'm completely invisible to the world. It seems like no one cares. No one cares about you, girl, you don't matter because you're not our target demographic. I don't care that they don't treat me that way. I'm going to insert myself in the conversation or I'm going to start a whole new conversation anyway, but we solo should not have to build that. I'll also say though, this is exactly one of the reasons why Solo PR Pro exists, because we do see</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QR5-PqWOFnzGR7GRr6fNEmvrJ7BFXFqYJogZKGhPfKoW_VVe7d8BuWbzEW30FbqEhKQSrrORAMahavqA32BvArNqEU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=811.42'>13:31</a>):</p>
<p>You.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TsUxRcT1ukFGVqXYB_Og2JVGVlahcHhUcWLO2RFfOVaPNUqcu5yn51v0ihkGLcOC_Ph-75Kg1qcRg25641EMO9ZPUVk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=813.04'>13:33</a>):</p>
<p>This is why we can't create all the technological tools that you need, but we can fight for you</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fqbPQHn-ifWGX6kWZZryirVCAMLLOg0qwK-ShQawA7OTMUgRt4RtWKzBROT2PdcF7VWveLEqfMKPIpSGp3aimRCJWTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=819.19'>13:39</a>):</p>
<p>And validate your experience, validate the idea that you had. If not for Solo PR Pro, I probably wouldn't have been brave enough to take a step forward. It is you and I'll name check her. Gloria Bell, I don't know if you're out there, but I saw her speak on a panel and she had her company at the time, and I thought, oh, she's doing it. And I was at a place where I knew I could see the bottom starting to fall out, where I was the safe space where I was getting paid. And that's another thing that whole experience taught me. Yes. Is it scary being on your own and having your own company sometimes? Heck yeah, but you know what? That direct deposit isn't the a hundred percent surety that you think. But yeah, those two things. And I went, oh, oh, okay. So I'm not a weirdo for having this instinctive notion that maybe this is a possibility. So if you are hearing this, you are not alone. And it does bogle my mind that in a country where we pride ourselves on our whole bootstraps thing and forging out on your own and being an American went really, because in some ways it's like, oh, how is it? Oh, we're not like that. Well, too bad because we're here doing it</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jBgY-AGnyqwejeQXIQg1g72y5QTmTvDaNwE6dkl6jvirFQ9pDmStw_zagUPAMD40q9KbR-EX5gud9V4MwhgvwFje9LY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=899.33'>14:59</a>):</p>
<p>Enterprising Americans, but we don't really want you to do enterprising. We want you to be employed because it feels like America's just like an old school rusty model of work in so</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9J7Uk6VA0aWbwbAXjbvcR18MSxhFvSIii1Clr1PZiFKMO9wpYm4dhq1J3mJBq3I3zI8FIXzgy26S7B2nX7xWNUPWgHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=913.49'>15:13</a>):</p>
<p>Many control freak ways.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ndUqAuNHhdbsXWVhSoNQhJ7mozoaZ8RB9y6bIcJw3Bj12DuY8r3w59Sb65kTrm9vz_chdPIkqWLjvv-NO4Gs-sJgYbo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.05'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DCG5NbaTUuaItKLURK6Qab2twJk6IM33lRhQpRTWtPe5HvbpLCRmVKulDO2h6Q7RM87kZQQ8Ejn7yCzKiEtwAeCo_Bw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.83'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>It's a control freak.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qPiZrSvpM3omNcpuGXjSiRPP3SzfNrs9Bu818Vftgro7hYQ-AehinTvVfPF_aG5jNAoAMTlPuGGFdyFanU4elxguzr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.63'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>We built this whole tax system, and it's really designed for you to work for a company and just stay there and retire from there and get your gold watch. And I know we don't do pensions anymore, but we need it to be this way. This is how our system works, and we don't want to build a new one, but I say time to build a new one America.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i-ObmX0wnshINu9Tg7F_-RmgIGyjwzKca88Ttk3pmBqxrVVweyJmayMNOFuac5OUF8Fou5h0sSshOEp6jS9ViTSRQdg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=939.56'>15:39</a>):</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mVjT3_BJrgnrxeeJaFBFxA_40m4ATuip-uGRVTfhTalFRSIVmaxaz6KrZMcz0OM_tV9cwW5e0P9n2mdAzRuUqZNwB5k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.88'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters. And my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hey Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mscWIOwjw8dbBMJaVouPQNRZihxUaaoptnKRJYc1-l4_n1f9xxv-l4GlX1nCwTM0qLCfAbWxGvcbyilfPHN5qShTn30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.62'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I forgot how to turn on the recording and use my mic and all those things and it hasn't been that long. Just my brain's all over the place today. Other than that, I'm great. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bnDGl6kGqok0mTmtYUCW4WKTm3_u8t2lBVCAjXRIAkcOW2S_cDoWRZaE_07Vrf4fcTzfaipWbw0bgUz34aXRxhc68R4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.76'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, it's a little bit of a discombobulating day. I don't know. I didn't, some days are just like that, right? You make sure you read the email two or three times before you send, just to make sure</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eMW_SOkVPM5XGw3T7igmNHGOvO2BWJNgy2kjtntDoEUyLnSZRIO-A9ipqX5_Jy7-AB2xb81mukEDAxg-DOvkABeyBAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.23'>00:46</a>):</p>
<p>I'm telling you. I mean, February is the shortest month, but it is really like it's gotten Napoleon syndrome this year. It's like, yes, I'm short, but I'm the big guy around here. I mean, it's really been shoving us around and showing us who's boss.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8Kzj9CoFh_dG8aIGND1hhTAVP4_GLHHTp0A9UDQvT-SQ6yU9R3D3UKm5GhgGnFa4uHI9IyaSm9yngAy64yRZDib_B88?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=63.99'>01:03</a>):</p>
<p>I'm going to show you what's up. You're going to rue the day you talked crap about me.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CSweauy5nvBHTx7AncsT_Hn4O-KBSTJC_k2GF7fKJh_TCSmXJ16Uc7K6V5Qxi2IOEvDenoaPju2TLR-hsCgAY2U_WFg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.22'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, call me the shortest month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fMNEhwD1v5JDjb4rWvyBMifRm52hwpdKXvwnFbdBD1G7BfHn0D9y0cfPOG2ZeraOynYv3m-y33l--eFtWL52ernOlXk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=72'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I'll show you. I'm going to stick around for a while. Oh my goodness. Yeah, for real, for real. And I think everyone is feeling it. It's always one of the most difficult months to just get through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZIN50jcueBdwZbYKew7HQ3JaCsDVM3hqiMMwhBuUjYJT4Odg1U1fsy-41vlYbe1ZQUXMtFvdaLSrEKCV17VGl2irWeY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.06'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and it's short, but boy has it been jam packed and</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fiS81fK0an1vpfXw6G7EUSeyPO7HHU-kcOUuVfAn6dtiVWZM5xBjS2Hn0PAAl5cXiKeFunOTrg-Hs_m1cuxh-F4hHh4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.44'>01:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, it's a lot.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z-D6rGTBjEv6VBWCCMIgRcSXPHSOWZS5icWYt9dznNKu4g1BUul7NkbxIU6B_OQ1njU-DENKi1sidG-DLo_DBwmRswQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=96.21'>01:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I'm ready for a spring break or something. Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Aw1xGNadbe-Rx2HaaxspMPwD6LCD6m6DOVI1ltjB23uoKVYhTMqjQzs1CwXhBzHf-FGPBUFpQ1AQ9FsMHgbJ7VaJpCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.53'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and of course it has to be rude and be a leap year this year, so it's like I'm even going to add a day. Yeah, take that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NOom_cG1Vk77_TN1yWOGwMdhX_lIRNYP0ibPJWXtDqL3G0wbZ8EMXcQ4Vpyk-cniCzhUcnwcilktAVAT-xgdRXetKt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=109.65'>01:49</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zh2LrU5eQeFz1IHDdX93wXJEwMSjLImI1qOuubPxgEpj3P9RPk839OVes8YTTwFYcPA9CpG_oRg9cijPCzM9y2zwoao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.08'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>How can I flip this? Speaking of Napoleon complexes? No,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/19YaGxgZZQdz_ShCXvXMHhjrtIAnbg8NV_vSsDgY4CQRCEQFEUXchdh2Vwqit2iwUMnPGW79TnJtXRCimPuNDdj81T0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=116.97'>01:56</a>):</p>
<p>No. Maybe a little David and Goliath. Anyway, what we're going to talk about today or attempt to is just how, I don't think economy's the right word, but how our business world is set up really to favor the employed as opposed to the self-employed. We saw that with the pandemic where for the first time ever self-employed people, even though if you're a corporation of someone who is self-employed, you still pay unemployment tax. And yet what for the first time, oh, we could file for unemployment. Oh, well, gee, thank you very much. We too contribute to the economy, whatever. But we see it a lot as solos in the tools we use, and we've talked about that, touched on that before of course, but just how, oh, the enterprise version of this is only $12,000 a month. Well, thanks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uCACM9CjH6UHk4iGrRidpNLRQv_LjUaAe00hlFbNtgxWX6fUT0l12pWr2b5CvVTKTJZXiRNFdiZZsluojj1N_RC1bMg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=177.21'>02:57</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So it feels like this is one of the areas of discrimination that we never ever talk about, and it really is discriminatory because it's not just in the pricing, it's really the recognition and respect that many of us choose to be self-employed, and we're going to tackle that whole issue with the Department of Labor very, very soon with an expert. But to put it into context of where we're going with this is from the government. The US government does not like people that are self-employed. They don't understand people who are self-employed. When you say independent contractor, which is a big broad category and definition, the government thinks about Uber drivers and now technicians and other people, they do not think about strategic consultants like us who have really chosen to build a business of one who are very happy working on our own until we aren't, because some people go back and forth, and that is okay too.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MytsqJBKReCHYFqzSQQMEPn5DWqPHKxjEIHN_5vLQKtSxQrOpj5kYdRiw9oaZsRH5LsXg_xLgzE1PYnQwpHfTxEz3KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.87'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>So they don't understand, I'm going to say the flavors of independent work, and there's no good definition that takes into account the people who are truly independent and want to be, and the people who might be forced into being contractors because we know that there are a lot of companies out there that quite frankly just don't want to pay people as employees. Nail technicians are a great example, and they're one of the industries that is under target because your nail technicians show up at the same place every day. They have work hours, they're not working for other people, they're not marketing themselves to other people, and yet they are considered contractors. Construction workers is another category, and we could argue about Uber and Lyft because these are people that work on a platform, but even in that category, there are people that truly want to be independent. What you can't do though is say, I want to be an independent contractor. I don't want to work for a company, but I do want benefits and I want to unionize because now you're mixing. So again, the United States has a very murky view of this.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4zs0ONL_3COSov5lH1qZQNXthvPOj4l7RAgtciiZpSzruL2BXYl8so-x_zOCYKN99Kx1ftnbNlnUkXsxqx2-E_5uobc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.46'>05:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4LYbJWXiPErKzWzIYKJ0W0awnZI-SIbjBpgMAIb1Doby_y6BeEbn6Um6EbmN1B7A6AGnm_MwuSZkGmmQB9mXZwWGuJw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=324.79'>05:24</a>):</p>
<p>The disrespect continues with how we're treated by companies just all around organizations, when they do content for public relations people, it's largely geared towards people that are employed traditionally, not people like us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nQ1zDvCmb3FvC8RKI7ex1Iso5wmcQlLdH499dfSYYLsAhR_2L13kgcGxUAdO0I13sEB8FaxA6s7WyFFLWVw7mE-KXJA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=343.87'>05:43</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's so true. And it's interesting, even as you talk to people who are in larger corporations, well, what do you do? I'm like, well, I run a public relations and marketing agency. Well, what do you mean? I'm like, well, what do you mean? What do I mean? Do I need to have 30 people standing behind me? And what I like to say is, I mean, to be honest, I've done the same job in essence my whole career. And whether that was in an ad agency or leading comms in a nonprofit, whether I'm running up the old metal staircase to my art department in my agency days, or I'm emailing someone saying, Hey, can you jo that over and make the logo bigger? Tell me the difference of what I'm doing. And I did that in varying degrees a little bit as employee, now I run my own company. And it's just interesting just the mental shift, not just amongst perhaps colleagues and acquaintances, but yeah, the government, although they seem to understand it at tax time very well, how you're organized. It's amazing to me.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cdJnVYIk3_26NNF1jp8VZlnjZ7Swv5_RVEYEF4eeyP8cQHsgqKGHBZjasGoxlTh_c69ltUiyCBpW8Juy88pbpZiAaAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=412.64'>06:52</a>):</p>
<p>Technically, it's always a little bit frustrating, for example, when even you go to take some industry surveys and it's all skewed for people who have an employer, and it's like, what about the rest of us who have valid opinions and have experiences? You're not taking into account that we work a little bit differently. And then people automatically looking at us as though we're not businesses. We are, we're entrepreneurs. We founded a company, and it doesn't matter if your company has zero employees, it's still a company, and we don't always get treated that way, but things are not sized for us. So conferences are not sized for us and content is not sized for us. And definitely the price of technological tools are not size for us because these companies forget about a big segment of the public relations and marketing industry by only targeting people that are in these corporations and those big fat dollars.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5uekH1TVBFd-2ve1YLV1CFJjFmiek4VZsYDO75rZ3m_gMlDHR5i1pWZO67KAc6YRZaXLcjxYEx80HVsVpVz5FgoX6PQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=484.01'>08:04</a>):</p>
<p>But sometimes, and we've seen this in Solo PR Pro, which is why we don't do special offers anymore with new companies. We're very, very, very, very, very, very strict about it these days because too many companies have built their company on the back of solos, and so they give you a great price that's priced for us, and then as soon as they get on the map, they raise those prices and forget that we ever existed. I just won't allow that anymore. I just don't go for it. No, thank you. I'm not interested in giving you access to our audience, only for you to snatch the rug from up under us a year from now.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZTuDX-f-eU0jR-tRW6JDNhN2XFzuB7s88V-E9dGyRT52GiFJO_FuDK9951bB4oQBfzf4LGWAD63EIcOmecME5hLA420?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.86'>08:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, in many ways, I mean, I don't want to sound too pompous here, but in a lot of ways, solos, we experience whatever the next wave is going to be. We experience it first. We're like the college radio of the marketing and PR industry, or Bob, I'm going to stay in our industry silo because I liken it to, Hey, I love my radio station, WXPN in Philadelphia, and I will hear a song on there, songs on there. Next thing you know, oh, suddenly, maybe eight months later I'm hearing this song on satellite or commercial radio and everyone's saying, oh, did you hear that new song? I'm like, WXPN has been playing this for a while. So I see the solos that way, and it's not to be all full of ourselves, but it's because we are the ones, whether we have people working under us or not, we're the ones who experience this stuff first, whether it's something new in social media or just a new way that you have to operate your business. We literally feel the pain or the pleasure of the certain things, whatever the thing is. And so we have that much more experience at running the business because face it, a lot of larger businesses kind of run themselves in many ways,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EfyroEyZMjdW__fOKmsARnbHZ_ISO2Ni7LHDOR8lMd6ctw6ZhppI5ucm7J6wcGuzOKvxSYpvrLgl-BulC8djq9199AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=605.97'>10:05</a>):</p>
<p>And the responsibilities are decentralized that everyone doesn't get the perspective of the whole. Whereas as solos, we really do, and we get that insight into organizations as well. And I think that that's a valuable contribution for people to seek out our viewpoint because we do get exposed to more, and it's no slam on people that work in companies. You guys are doing great work, and we respect you as colleagues. Our jobs often though, require us to learn things and to upskill a little bit faster because there isn't anybody that's telling us that we can't. Whereas in corporate America, your career track is often defined by the position you're in, the department you're in, and you're doing that in collaboration with your employer. As a solo, though, we are often the ones that adopt in demand scales very quickly because we have to. We don't have a backup, we don't have a department behind us. It's us. We're a very, very small team. So yeah, again, and with that, sometimes I have attended educational opportunities and the stuff that is being taught is not at our level. And then I think, and I know that that doesn't just pertain to solos, but you want to say, well, what about the seasoned public relations professionals among us employed and self-employed? Are we always only going to scratch the surface at the beginner and mid level and not go above that? And I understand they need to learn as well, but then we want to keep learning and growing as well. And often that's just not taken into account.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7mIXJ9gQzIQywgG7ZYMlJtaSq0QLILpeFtgSweQ2-jWaRQspa8VsjPi--K6rVv1IakIIRJpLLoQlr43QTD4dKu5OdnU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=722.44'>12:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, excuse me. That's so very true. I mean, even back to what you said about surveys. I can't tell you how many times I've started a survey and I get four or five questions in and I'm like, eh, you're not really talking to me, but I am still, yeah, but I'm still a segment of your audience. So what's up with that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D7cBf9qsRvwRYXm-MdhbruH6wckL7G2KiJbn5xZvKCsBLM_ybkzAN2qOwxI7j2Ghu5r3t4RTFEYlYl8Cgwr3GZ4FptE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=743.62'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right? We want to be sane and we want to be heard. We want to be included. And I think we're past time, and let's be realistic. It is 2024. If the pandemic taught us nothing, it's that people in this country know how to start a business and there are a number of people that want to be in business for themselves. Can we not in this year in age, acknowledge that we exist, that we're economic engines, that we actually create jobs, that we have money, that we spend it, and that we're valuable sometimes being self-employed and then being a woman of a certain age too. I just feel like I'm completely invisible to the world. It seems like no one cares. No one cares about you, girl, you don't matter because you're not our target demographic. I don't care that they don't treat me that way. I'm going to insert myself in the conversation or I'm going to start a whole new conversation anyway, but we solo should not have to build that. I'll also say though, this is exactly one of the reasons why Solo PR Pro exists, because we do see</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QR5-PqWOFnzGR7GRr6fNEmvrJ7BFXFqYJogZKGhPfKoW_VVe7d8BuWbzEW30FbqEhKQSrrORAMahavqA32BvArNqEU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=811.42'>13:31</a>):</p>
<p>You.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TsUxRcT1ukFGVqXYB_Og2JVGVlahcHhUcWLO2RFfOVaPNUqcu5yn51v0ihkGLcOC_Ph-75Kg1qcRg25641EMO9ZPUVk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=813.04'>13:33</a>):</p>
<p>This is why we can't create all the technological tools that you need, but we can fight for you</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fqbPQHn-ifWGX6kWZZryirVCAMLLOg0qwK-ShQawA7OTMUgRt4RtWKzBROT2PdcF7VWveLEqfMKPIpSGp3aimRCJWTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=819.19'>13:39</a>):</p>
<p>And validate your experience, validate the idea that you had. If not for Solo PR Pro, I probably wouldn't have been brave enough to take a step forward. It is you and I'll name check her. Gloria Bell, I don't know if you're out there, but I saw her speak on a panel and she had her company at the time, and I thought, oh, she's doing it. And I was at a place where I knew I could see the bottom starting to fall out, where I was the safe space where I was getting paid. And that's another thing that whole experience taught me. Yes. Is it scary being on your own and having your own company sometimes? Heck yeah, but you know what? That direct deposit isn't the a hundred percent surety that you think. But yeah, those two things. And I went, oh, oh, okay. So I'm not a weirdo for having this instinctive notion that maybe this is a possibility. So if you are hearing this, you are not alone. And it does bogle my mind that in a country where we pride ourselves on our whole bootstraps thing and forging out on your own and being an American went really, because in some ways it's like, oh, how is it? Oh, we're not like that. Well, too bad because we're here doing it</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jBgY-AGnyqwejeQXIQg1g72y5QTmTvDaNwE6dkl6jvirFQ9pDmStw_zagUPAMD40q9KbR-EX5gud9V4MwhgvwFje9LY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=899.33'>14:59</a>):</p>
<p>Enterprising Americans, but we don't really want you to do enterprising. We want you to be employed because it feels like America's just like an old school rusty model of work in so</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9J7Uk6VA0aWbwbAXjbvcR18MSxhFvSIii1Clr1PZiFKMO9wpYm4dhq1J3mJBq3I3zI8FIXzgy26S7B2nX7xWNUPWgHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=913.49'>15:13</a>):</p>
<p>Many control freak ways.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ndUqAuNHhdbsXWVhSoNQhJ7mozoaZ8RB9y6bIcJw3Bj12DuY8r3w59Sb65kTrm9vz_chdPIkqWLjvv-NO4Gs-sJgYbo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.05'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DCG5NbaTUuaItKLURK6Qab2twJk6IM33lRhQpRTWtPe5HvbpLCRmVKulDO2h6Q7RM87kZQQ8Ejn7yCzKiEtwAeCo_Bw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.83'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>It's a control freak.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qPiZrSvpM3omNcpuGXjSiRPP3SzfNrs9Bu818Vftgro7hYQ-AehinTvVfPF_aG5jNAoAMTlPuGGFdyFanU4elxguzr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.63'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>We built this whole tax system, and it's really designed for you to work for a company and just stay there and retire from there and get your gold watch. And I know we don't do pensions anymore, but we need it to be this way. This is how our system works, and we don't want to build a new one, but I say time to build a new one America.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i-ObmX0wnshINu9Tg7F_-RmgIGyjwzKca88Ttk3pmBqxrVVweyJmayMNOFuac5OUF8Fou5h0sSshOEp6jS9ViTSRQdg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=939.56'>15:39</a>):</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters. And my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hey Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Hey, Michelle. I forgot how to turn on the recording and use my mic and all those things and it hasn't been that long. Just my brain's all over the place today. Other than that, I'm great. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:32):
Yeah, if I'm going to be honest, it's a little bit of a discombobulating day. I don't know. I didn't, some days are just like that, right? You make sure you read the email two or three times before you send, just to make sure
Karen Swim, APR (00:46):
I'm telling you. I mean, February is the shortest month, but it is really like it's gotten Napoleon syndrome this year. It's like, yes, I'm short, but I'm the big guy around here. I mean, it's really been shoving us around and showing us who's boss.
Michelle Kane (01:03):
I'm going to show you what's up. You're going to rue the day you talked crap about me.
Karen Swim, APR (01:09):
Yeah, call me the shortest month.
Michelle Kane (01:12):
Yeah, I'll show you. I'm going to stick around for a while. Oh my goodness. Yeah, for real, for real. And I think everyone is feeling it. It's always one of the most difficult months to just get through.
Karen Swim, APR (01:26):
Yeah, and it's short, but boy has it been jam packed and
Michelle Kane (01:31):
Yes, it's a lot.
Karen Swim, APR (01:36):
Yes, I'm ready for a spring break or something. Yeah,
Michelle Kane (01:40):
Well, and of course it has to be rude and be a leap year this year, so it's like I'm even going to add a day. Yeah, take that.
Karen Swim, APR (01:49):
Well,
Michelle Kane (01:52):
How can I flip this? Speaking of Napoleon complexes? No,
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No. Maybe a little David and Goliath. Anyway, what we're going to talk about today or attempt to is just how, I don't think economy's the right word, but how our business world is set up really to favor the employed as opposed to the self-employed. We saw that with the pandemic where for the first time ever self-employed people, even though if you're a corporation of someone who is self-employed, you still pay unemployment tax. And yet what for the first time, oh, we could file for unemployment. Oh, well, gee, thank you very much. We too contribute to the economy, whatever. But we see it a lot as solos in the tools we use, and we've talked about that, touched on that before of course, but just how, oh, the enterprise version of this is only $12,000 a month. Well, thanks.
Karen Swim, APR (02:57):
Yeah. So it feels like this is one of the areas of discrimination that we never ever talk about, and it really is discriminatory because it's not just in the pricing, it's really the recognition and respect that many of us choose to be self-employed, and we're going to tackle that whole issue with the Department of Labor very, very soon with an expert. But to put it into context of where we're going with this is from the government. The US government does not like people that are self-employed. They don't understand people who are self-employed. When you say independent contractor, which is a big broad category and definition, the government thinks about Uber drivers ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>On this episode we're chatting about how different generations handle criticism, especially after some Super Bowl ad backlash. We dive into why tough love is key in PR and how it's essential for solo PR pros to get real with clients. Plus, we tackle the big question: How do we teach the next gen these crucial soft skills? Tune in for an honest, straight-talk session on the art of handling the hard stuff in PR.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K7BW_F3qhV_LdcVKYhnvRN0p9a7CKD46YPuHyN0jBf7Vxyv-wi_mDF4l9t8Oy92CD4Qlpvn6pWo-xxluCYPaG38MlMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.13'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another week, another beautiful podcast time, not our goodness.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gTSIBFr1hb3z2irxsdMgHBMQ-HCvVA37QdUa7LszXKjj7hR9Tc58Cv9ZpUUhTTP46nlKOlRjt1CmKYc1uI4WV8P-C4g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.83'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Hi Michelle. I'm doing so well and just glad to be here and been in this time with you and our listeners. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CSMDz7C-g0qBm63z-f58IErHyAqxAqI9EQmXb7CeK3f5AE0FvBE2KSHtR72s675bp7FhPS71Qbpw5g4eafMwazZdqi8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.97'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well too. Yes, we're making it through February, which is fantastic. I was just talking to a client and we were both marveling at how it is flying by.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yhT1qUseay8eSvhq0rUVVc-seLg_-uNLNbdm_GUKAMkOYOhkrBa9jWxhlPenORVH-R8zqt99L3TKaZQI2awvYp2P7IM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.66'>00:45</a>):</p>
<p>It really is. I cannot believe that next week is the end of February. It's the last week in the month that went so quickly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lPaEhZGRyRnWaki4GrSLUZEE3V74O6Ikpulmdqp9gfQA7eHwXWD0LUHwJBvlQXw99PSSv0pxYDXoFAPqM-Ucd1vcrlg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.09'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Even with the extra day in it, it's just seems to be just going poof, which is fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8nUq0MryYQGVMUb3bCa3Q4LqVOOEIOwTtnJjomLNcCw1hUQ73a7F22nABdrpcvYfLI3C556hGRjuF0N-YAcu5IPmP1Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=58.34'>00:58</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gKhWkyFgeEJNNIAPv3TC5hzOs5ZN-h3idWqFAldUC5xXgRrHn_07lWoimJOJBDrpWEHWVQCnmN5scR9avo9BdK40InU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=59.1'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>It means more daylight for us to soak in and that's good. We've made it through the darkness of the season, so congratulations to all of us. And speaking of how darkness can have an impact, we're going to talk today actually about constructive criticism and how we're kind of sensing a little bit, we're feeling our generation a little bit in light of, I think, Karen, you brought up some comments over on LinkedIn about some Super Bowl ads and just some of the pushback that would you say, is it Gen Z mainly? What were you finding?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iru7SrLlUs5Br_UgraEEqhNkq6-sKp-JyufXY75v8e5VhnvemvZXXnGiada3YnJPJsOAZGHmGM8JA7kz4JP96G5FN3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.23'>01:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's interesting. So there was some criticism of Super Bowl ads and for a certain generation of us it's like, okay, that's normal, right? Come in the marketing industry, push back at the criticism saying, let's all be kind. These people work so hard and it's the biggest stage, blah, blah, blah. And then another person of a different generation, older, not maybe a millennial, stepped up and said something completely different. Basically like Boohoo, get over yourself. And I thought that her point was well taken and I immediately saw that these were generational differences. So all of the people that were team know criticism were younger and all of the people that brought up the point of criticism is beneficial.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nmhqgENTphKuzCXCKnT61mSC8y-qQVHjUHsID-gCJWM8jkhyCmXvwZoY6rNruWjbaq48CVjG5y6tuOY4j__MA35NU60?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=162.78'>02:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Were older</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YOD5pnLliZJVICnkKa9I4chqFzeMZ1EtTm2nWqHcu8xU6GkVblyCtBhfQvhn9KY4puSHPsWKzbV503KuzeCL7ChHXBE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.52'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>And it made me think about how this plays out in the PR profession, what it means to our clients and what it means to this new generation of practitioners.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7WZR_mo4pOH6Nb0QiwDobAWvfyu7uQHkxDOEiRUoiwF4O4fivt4A-KzxedYMZIkTKaVjGqvNZQ9WJCWb1rkNc7j-rEM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=177.33'>02:57</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true because I mean, let's be honest, part of our job as PR practitioners is to be that voice of honesty, to bring the stark realism in, even if it's just to prepare people for the landscape they may face. I always borrow, I borrow a line from Billy Bragg and say, I am that little black cloud in a dress. That's my job. I'm not saying that I'm not coming at you to be negative or to put a downer on our efforts, but just this is the component that we need to keep in mind in everything we do that might happen. Yeah, it's</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O10HaYdg_p7inJydcHQK9oB2yCR-kaGRMn4G0-f40v796X-i_R2pMnNccBFfUyGJaTZj1-zaqzO1P_vcYZ_3wKV9pRo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.52'>03:36</a>):</p>
<p>Important. I love that line. That is such a perfect line, and I know it seems a little morose, but it cannot be more true for us as communicators that we have to deal in reality and we have to tactfully deliver news and we have to be honest with our clients because that trust is sacred. And as strategic advisors, we're not looking at just the now, we're looking ahead. We're looking at all of the around every corner where people may not think to look. And I think that this failure to understand that criticism is valuable, criticism sharpens, you can take insights for criticism, but we have generation of kids that grew up being shielded. So you talk about bad things, everybody got participation trophies and everybody's nice, and I'm all for being kind. So we're not talking about trolls and hatred. What we're talking about is criticism that's necessary.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EkVWU5UjSO9PkNPQgR_p-oUum6rgpVHSlzj6XpHRT79883fJccyH63i1hn7MiVjbAcHBqLpQXa23tZR-R-lg6V-3wC8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.53'>04:53</a>):</p>
<p>When you put anything out into the world, it will be judged. That's part of the creative process. It really is. And so as a company, would you want to produce a product or service, have no one say anything about it that's negative, but then have it bomb and you have no idea why? Because no one spoke up. Well, I'm seeing this generation that just cannot confront the hard thing. So we see this play out in our business development landscape for PR professionals. I hear this all the time about clients ghosting you or potential clients ghosting. You have a meeting, maybe you have a couple of meetings, you talk through their needs. You put together what you discussed on paper in the form of a proposal, and then crickets forever.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f6Iu1gSLb3QTorjlmqrk4aXKW0O4Gw_E4MDnAtNmEzoJufSJyPFEcbNTJRG_1VpUs1ylFgwF8sys0kPxE9mab3mNVpk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.81'>05:46</a>):</p>
<p>Often it's because they can't afford the budget, but they're afraid to say that. So they just don't say anything and they just don't talk to you. Well, and it also deprives that PR professional of the courtesy of understanding what the market landscape really is. If somebody presents something to you for a particular price, you've deprived them of the opportunity to walk you through it, the opportunity to examine their own services and how they're presented and whether or not their pricing makes sense for the marketplace. And it also deprives you of the opportunity for them to do a scope of work that actually fits your needs a little bit better. So you have just decided to look at one component and then walk away because it's too hard to talk about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eSUajhQJM5jbkQGd6j9XnCbsVykH48O6AOmSREKvKZ4ftaySP7Ivjk70swTMhArMO4BWBaUAJYHI_XzyJY9m-pKrUlo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=401.28'>06:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and there's so much value in talking about it because, okay, well, tell me why you think this is too much and how can we still achieve results for you perhaps at a different price point or taking a different tactic. There are always usually, unless the budget is just ridiculously low ways to be of service, and it's a shame both sides are missing out on that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RkPIiesePLGbXNetuf7pLc1-NX8plW61NEhSEzj_XZBjONXttZaBKvuSwyPYtP3ghUPuLu9AUfbm2mGq8iww4ZsXTUw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.13'>07:07</a>):</p>
<p>It is really sad. And managing conflict is such a fundamental tool for human beings, period. Life is not all rainbows and sprinkles. It is not. And you cannot simply say nothing all of the time. It does not work. It does not serve you and it does not serve others. And I wish that we would take this communication void seriously within the PR profession. And those of us who are more experienced and companies need to recognize this too, you need to be, begin to teach the soft skill sets to your next generation of workers. Do not assume that they have these skill sets. They do not. They cannot write business emails. They do not know these things. Does that mean that they're not smart? Of course not. They're brilliant, but they just don't have these soft skills. And so I think it's on us to ensure that we train them and that we as an older generation teach them how to tackle the difficult things and the difficult conversations. I am sure we've all had experiences, I've had this with the younger workers who are so eager to say that they can do things, that you ask questions and they say they can do it, and they don't have a clue because they're afraid to say, I don't know how to do that, so that you can actually teach them and walk them through it. We've got to get past this because it is going to be disastrous for the workforce if we don't address this issue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Acjwd0BPXV6JY4uZPAH8tila8HAIjHOkNsyX6v48dDAtz1SkdWMoUcYeYLa02KlS8fKmiYs20Jxxv-Vu8GayOdFxBiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.71'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>That is so incredibly true, and I love what you said about setting projects up to fail, especially something as massive and as high budget and high spend as a Super Bowl spot. I mean, those are high, high stakes. And to spend all that time and energy on something that whether you don't realize is going to just bomb out or you know it, but I can't say it. Oh my goodness, that's not going to end well for anyone. It's going to be so demoralizing to you. And also please, as you are going about practicing the craft to public relations, we've got to keep our industry in mind. How does that present as our profession of what we do? I mean, we especially need to have the capability to have those hard conversations. And it doesn't have to be, it's like they say, oh, it took me five seconds to do that task. I've been putting off for five months because I thought it would take five hours. It's kind of like that a lot of time. Those hard conversations that's going to earn you more respect with your clients. They may be relieved that you brought it up. And the point is, it is coming from your caring about the work, your caring about how the client is going to look. So even though it may feel like a negative thing, it may feel like the most uncomfortable, the thing you've ever done. It really is going to lead to a positivity of better work, more progress.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fc-uPm4kflH3JMV7KnOcTQzyGBFZqAqPeDl6mJfau-SiGzyVF-dCmJPHk5Wv6SFZn3aif4_cyY4X3bHAyga_fToMz7o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=639.12'>10:39</a>):</p>
<p>I will tell you that clients absolutely will respect you for standing up for what is right and looking out for the reputation. Not every client is going to like it. Not every client is going to accept your advice. And so there's having the heart conversation, but then also learning how to navigate the solution. So you have to understand how to pick your battles, but you can't understand that if you're never addressing tough things. This is just part of the job and you become better and better at it. So clients will push back, they will tell you, no, I want this, and you can give them your professional counsel and then you have to make some decisions. How important is this? Is this like a fundamental no-No, that we absolutely will not do it. We cannot do it. I'll give you an example. If your client wants to quote someone in print, but they want it to be anonymous, we already know that's not going to fly with reporters unless you're talking in the political arena, deep Russian secrets, murder investigation. But in the business realm, that's not going to fly. You can't have somebody that's an anonymous or a made up name. I've confronted all of these issues over my career once had someone that said, oh, this person is willing to be quoted, but can we just use a fake name? No, we cannot. No.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ehznxsAmaY2OotXIXTwm4keycv8A86iMZE5VVhpBHjKg0TI2C7dLQQZhNoKCzd-rmFrYHr6nehX8DzD4nsxugkP2emo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=724.9'>12:04</a>):</p>
<p>So let's not quote that. So that was an absolute no, no, I am not doing that. If a client wants you to break the law or do something unethical, obviously you're not going to do that. But you're not going to go to the math over a semicolon or over a headline. That is not the greatest. But it doesn't break any rules. There are just some battles you have to choose because this is the negotiation of a client relationship. But again, have those conversations and I think people, they misunderstand difficult conversations with fighting. You're not fighting. Exactly. It's not ugly. It doesn't even have to be, we're not talking raised voices. We're talking being a professional and understanding that in this role, you're not always going to get agreement. And the more that you advance in your career and as you begin to lead people, whether you're in an official leadership role or not, I promise you, because this is something else.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r_mKVmOnDjXvT2JpSHWH_EFGH4YNenh0jAQs740ed0mWoYm46vEfxyWfLejLIzgGlL7i8xMfb0BfmQXMY9Av3_DYki0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=795.23'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>I've seen this trend of the younger generation, not aspiring to be managers, but please understand that leaders are not always leaders by title. You can be leaders by virtue of the way that people listen and respect you, your experience in the field. And so as you advance in your career, whether you have an official leadership title or not, you will be a leader. And these are still issues that you'll have to learn to navigate. You can't just go through your career in your life just going along to please and never saying anything that conflicts with someone else's opinion.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rjlRoFJI1SIBIUPImo6me5E0qvYIyrHeYeZ7mtn-yJyf_avn5b-XyUbbh50xzX3Z-RBXxL1SwC9SNn8enC3JnrRLmtM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=831.01'>13:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. In fact, that could lead to some disrespect to be completely honest.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrmCmLwRiFvDrbn2wCkvBwX24rV3X5zbhZO1uHrA3Uc4AAhecVX4HUSr3ej7jGwUrM8QkrwYEom8bhS3ye60exz1T0M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=835.48'>13:55</a>):</p>
<p>Most definitely. And if you are a woman in the workforce or any other ethnicity,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YoWz5fRu03YHjtQADGkDXOEm1JA8fdldXWzAsKFI5BehhjQfLCbIuuoN6TXah-r0ot0S_pthP5NHptq30ZUUxxlpei0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=844.67'>14:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rUvoziyepowx0NHqEXBqVw78lcz6sZ9oh-hyojqh54X-mMF83DX52eqGFNQqy9F0kDncn2c7J6Ov3NbatK6X4K7MPvs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.16'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>This is something you don't want to do. And I know that women who stand up for themselves and speak their opinions are often regarded negatively. But I will tell you this, I would rather be respected than popular</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b_l4MLEGoi_oFsgR-2ScenrdBKNpbHLCDhb6jkAdHKaBJ35Al5ugtPdarJ6QCmno7ALJcHfJWWv45tV_n8hQx86j-JU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=861.4'>14:21</a>):</p>
<p>Any day.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AmkWFD2VVb8ofyGESKEWXrf-sfxDpTT2eudMRRzU13x9wOTgszGDQx3-i3ZPSnHqb0-ACb6XM7EB_6EPGXB0ex6ej48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=861.65'>14:21</a>):</p>
<p>This is not a popularity contest. I love my clients. I am committed to them. I will not work with someone if I do not respect them, the individual, the people that I will be working with in addition to the organization. So I'm going to fight for you. I'm going to fight to make sure that we are excellent, that we are buttoned up, and that we do everything that we can to safeguard the trust that your customers put into you. And so that means I'm looking out for you, and if I give you counsel, it's coming from a place of me as a strategic advisor, understanding something that you may not, this is my area of expertise and that's why you hired me. So realize that too. Your employer, your clients, they hired you, not so that you could just say yes to everything or be nice. Oh, okay, I'm going to do that. They hired you to do your freaking job.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yQglTfDkHum1DNXY04vRjif1iI4mT2uvieaPenSeacp2tO7CQiklTKTpOBx2Xb0oVfEbNoUDeqjKU721ScMy_-J9Emk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=918.62'>15:18</a>):</p>
<p>It's hard, Karen. It's hard. And you know what? It's hard some days.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WrxkmXybQMjMaNebIx4hSWvad1bh1AawVSbxhidGB729WWxecyBiUxaZIKNXS4UU9NhuVmalNa5u-INzl89XB5WlcDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=922.91'>15:22</a>):</p>
<p>Some days</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E04SzArjAHsAVxIOknZgrmbGVSbF_ufUzuYltJMbmuBvAYSqtf0o4ETzzNH1J2uR_7IZSRUIJpzUjbvby5Hg8_RjOAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=924.59'>15:24</a>):</p>
<p>You have, but you have to stand your ground and stand up for the right way to move forward. Not that you're always going to be battling something that's unethical, but just if you've made it to the point where you are working as a professional in public relations or communications, you have what you've had, what it takes to get you to that point. So trust that, trust that instinct. And I know it can be very difficult in a world where increasingly sometimes it feels like our profession is not regarded as a profession on par with other professions that have designations. And even though there is a designation in public relations, but hopefully my point's coming across so I get it, but we are every bit the professionals. We know our world, and even though other people dabble in our world that does not make them expert and trust, there are things they haven't thought of and are things they would never even have considered. That to us comes firsthand. So try it. We're going to challenge. If you're in that generation, we're going to challenge you to try it. It'll feel good, it'll be scary, but you know what? I call those a good scared. Take a step into the good scared. And if you're looking for a community that will help guide you, shameless self-promotion, plug segue,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjBmotva4JSefUxmDnj4g7pLampKXGZA1rjjwmynGtUg9ygvAeidObmy19Ehomu3Fe-C9rj0OahAKhl-bl-U-lr6HVM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1013.6'>16:53</a>):</p>
<p>Sign up for the newsletters@soloprpro.com, join the community because that is where I call it the ultimate staff meeting. It is a safe space where we can ask what we might feel is a dumb question or we can say, Hey, I'm facing this situation. I'm really unsure how to handle it. I'm not comfortable. Have you ever experienced this? What did you do? You'll get such wise and supportive counsel, it will blow your socks off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uPJ318lcVYLucwuDWXBMw00edx0Tjbk96asAM7B0j-gDbf6TVZpqTz5ZqE_cNreL-mpYcaRr4bjwQkYrnA6mjUHECn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1044.53'>17:24</a>):</p>
<p>Agreed. It is a really spectacular community of peers that are not just takers, but givers. And there is a wide range of experiences. And so it really is unique in that you don't have people that are confined to just certain industries. There's wide ranging areas of expertise. Us and I could not ask for a greater group of people to hang out with. And so yes, please. I of course selfishly would love for you to join solo pr, but we also would love it if you told people about this podcast that is geared to communication professionals. We've been doing this for what, Michelle? 300 episodes or so?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GcebRJ21xLxaEMqpYa2aiorm-p9sw71Uqbtfs0GSnvj3sJQKGx2_GvymVEYxeAcMJ6E3kCs_yDv45PoFv98T6VlNyK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1092.24'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>We're getting there. This might be 237. Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KJQxWLN_aD1eNzaLEqhKBhR4X_RcEEZf8MvtHloK1wQlxA3LA6l9CeOMOd6hhRu1JfJwK4__YAw2IWCyMhaSMyksmwE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1094.67'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>So this is not a fly by night operation. We are committed, we are passionate, and we have been consistent in broadcasting week after week after week. And we still love it today as much as we did on episode one, and we hope that you do too. We're always open to topics that you want to see covered, guests that you may want to have appear. I would say stay tuned in March. We have, oh my God, I'm so excited about guests that we have in March and the things that are going on talk about March Madness. It is just going to be a huge celebration. So please, please share it your episodes. We put them out on social media as well. So if you could follow us on social and share, we would so appreciate it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GVG8uTx109eSB5IJ9BSN_y6gVwNiSXtPFG9Gtxm9mbVRr4VRkaGCZEIrVkZoOR3pr7GLBzgur0xFfEUPW22faE1TENI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1143.3'>19:03</a>):</p>
<p>We absolutely would. And we thank you and we value the time you give us each week. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K7BW_F3qhV_LdcVKYhnvRN0p9a7CKD46YPuHyN0jBf7Vxyv-wi_mDF4l9t8Oy92CD4Qlpvn6pWo-xxluCYPaG38MlMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.13'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another week, another beautiful podcast time, not our goodness.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gTSIBFr1hb3z2irxsdMgHBMQ-HCvVA37QdUa7LszXKjj7hR9Tc58Cv9ZpUUhTTP46nlKOlRjt1CmKYc1uI4WV8P-C4g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.83'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Hi Michelle. I'm doing so well and just glad to be here and been in this time with you and our listeners. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CSMDz7C-g0qBm63z-f58IErHyAqxAqI9EQmXb7CeK3f5AE0FvBE2KSHtR72s675bp7FhPS71Qbpw5g4eafMwazZdqi8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.97'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well too. Yes, we're making it through February, which is fantastic. I was just talking to a client and we were both marveling at how it is flying by.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yhT1qUseay8eSvhq0rUVVc-seLg_-uNLNbdm_GUKAMkOYOhkrBa9jWxhlPenORVH-R8zqt99L3TKaZQI2awvYp2P7IM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.66'>00:45</a>):</p>
<p>It really is. I cannot believe that next week is the end of February. It's the last week in the month that went so quickly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lPaEhZGRyRnWaki4GrSLUZEE3V74O6Ikpulmdqp9gfQA7eHwXWD0LUHwJBvlQXw99PSSv0pxYDXoFAPqM-Ucd1vcrlg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.09'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Even with the extra day in it, it's just seems to be just going poof, which is fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8nUq0MryYQGVMUb3bCa3Q4LqVOOEIOwTtnJjomLNcCw1hUQ73a7F22nABdrpcvYfLI3C556hGRjuF0N-YAcu5IPmP1Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=58.34'>00:58</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gKhWkyFgeEJNNIAPv3TC5hzOs5ZN-h3idWqFAldUC5xXgRrHn_07lWoimJOJBDrpWEHWVQCnmN5scR9avo9BdK40InU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=59.1'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>It means more daylight for us to soak in and that's good. We've made it through the darkness of the season, so congratulations to all of us. And speaking of how darkness can have an impact, we're going to talk today actually about constructive criticism and how we're kind of sensing a little bit, we're feeling our generation a little bit in light of, I think, Karen, you brought up some comments over on LinkedIn about some Super Bowl ads and just some of the pushback that would you say, is it Gen Z mainly? What were you finding?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iru7SrLlUs5Br_UgraEEqhNkq6-sKp-JyufXY75v8e5VhnvemvZXXnGiada3YnJPJsOAZGHmGM8JA7kz4JP96G5FN3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=103.23'>01:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's interesting. So there was some criticism of Super Bowl ads and for a certain generation of us it's like, okay, that's normal, right? Come in the marketing industry, push back at the criticism saying, let's all be kind. These people work so hard and it's the biggest stage, blah, blah, blah. And then another person of a different generation, older, not maybe a millennial, stepped up and said something completely different. Basically like Boohoo, get over yourself. And I thought that her point was well taken and I immediately saw that these were generational differences. So all of the people that were team know criticism were younger and all of the people that brought up the point of criticism is beneficial.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nmhqgENTphKuzCXCKnT61mSC8y-qQVHjUHsID-gCJWM8jkhyCmXvwZoY6rNruWjbaq48CVjG5y6tuOY4j__MA35NU60?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=162.78'>02:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Were older</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YOD5pnLliZJVICnkKa9I4chqFzeMZ1EtTm2nWqHcu8xU6GkVblyCtBhfQvhn9KY4puSHPsWKzbV503KuzeCL7ChHXBE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.52'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>And it made me think about how this plays out in the PR profession, what it means to our clients and what it means to this new generation of practitioners.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7WZR_mo4pOH6Nb0QiwDobAWvfyu7uQHkxDOEiRUoiwF4O4fivt4A-KzxedYMZIkTKaVjGqvNZQ9WJCWb1rkNc7j-rEM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=177.33'>02:57</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true because I mean, let's be honest, part of our job as PR practitioners is to be that voice of honesty, to bring the stark realism in, even if it's just to prepare people for the landscape they may face. I always borrow, I borrow a line from Billy Bragg and say, I am that little black cloud in a dress. That's my job. I'm not saying that I'm not coming at you to be negative or to put a downer on our efforts, but just this is the component that we need to keep in mind in everything we do that might happen. Yeah, it's</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O10HaYdg_p7inJydcHQK9oB2yCR-kaGRMn4G0-f40v796X-i_R2pMnNccBFfUyGJaTZj1-zaqzO1P_vcYZ_3wKV9pRo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.52'>03:36</a>):</p>
<p>Important. I love that line. That is such a perfect line, and I know it seems a little morose, but it cannot be more true for us as communicators that we have to deal in reality and we have to tactfully deliver news and we have to be honest with our clients because that trust is sacred. And as strategic advisors, we're not looking at just the now, we're looking ahead. We're looking at all of the around every corner where people may not think to look. And I think that this failure to understand that criticism is valuable, criticism sharpens, you can take insights for criticism, but we have generation of kids that grew up being shielded. So you talk about bad things, everybody got participation trophies and everybody's nice, and I'm all for being kind. So we're not talking about trolls and hatred. What we're talking about is criticism that's necessary.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EkVWU5UjSO9PkNPQgR_p-oUum6rgpVHSlzj6XpHRT79883fJccyH63i1hn7MiVjbAcHBqLpQXa23tZR-R-lg6V-3wC8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=293.53'>04:53</a>):</p>
<p>When you put anything out into the world, it will be judged. That's part of the creative process. It really is. And so as a company, would you want to produce a product or service, have no one say anything about it that's negative, but then have it bomb and you have no idea why? Because no one spoke up. Well, I'm seeing this generation that just cannot confront the hard thing. So we see this play out in our business development landscape for PR professionals. I hear this all the time about clients ghosting you or potential clients ghosting. You have a meeting, maybe you have a couple of meetings, you talk through their needs. You put together what you discussed on paper in the form of a proposal, and then crickets forever.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f6Iu1gSLb3QTorjlmqrk4aXKW0O4Gw_E4MDnAtNmEzoJufSJyPFEcbNTJRG_1VpUs1ylFgwF8sys0kPxE9mab3mNVpk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=346.81'>05:46</a>):</p>
<p>Often it's because they can't afford the budget, but they're afraid to say that. So they just don't say anything and they just don't talk to you. Well, and it also deprives that PR professional of the courtesy of understanding what the market landscape really is. If somebody presents something to you for a particular price, you've deprived them of the opportunity to walk you through it, the opportunity to examine their own services and how they're presented and whether or not their pricing makes sense for the marketplace. And it also deprives you of the opportunity for them to do a scope of work that actually fits your needs a little bit better. So you have just decided to look at one component and then walk away because it's too hard to talk about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eSUajhQJM5jbkQGd6j9XnCbsVykH48O6AOmSREKvKZ4ftaySP7Ivjk70swTMhArMO4BWBaUAJYHI_XzyJY9m-pKrUlo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=401.28'>06:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and there's so much value in talking about it because, okay, well, tell me why you think this is too much and how can we still achieve results for you perhaps at a different price point or taking a different tactic. There are always usually, unless the budget is just ridiculously low ways to be of service, and it's a shame both sides are missing out on that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RkPIiesePLGbXNetuf7pLc1-NX8plW61NEhSEzj_XZBjONXttZaBKvuSwyPYtP3ghUPuLu9AUfbm2mGq8iww4ZsXTUw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.13'>07:07</a>):</p>
<p>It is really sad. And managing conflict is such a fundamental tool for human beings, period. Life is not all rainbows and sprinkles. It is not. And you cannot simply say nothing all of the time. It does not work. It does not serve you and it does not serve others. And I wish that we would take this communication void seriously within the PR profession. And those of us who are more experienced and companies need to recognize this too, you need to be, begin to teach the soft skill sets to your next generation of workers. Do not assume that they have these skill sets. They do not. They cannot write business emails. They do not know these things. Does that mean that they're not smart? Of course not. They're brilliant, but they just don't have these soft skills. And so I think it's on us to ensure that we train them and that we as an older generation teach them how to tackle the difficult things and the difficult conversations. I am sure we've all had experiences, I've had this with the younger workers who are so eager to say that they can do things, that you ask questions and they say they can do it, and they don't have a clue because they're afraid to say, I don't know how to do that, so that you can actually teach them and walk them through it. We've got to get past this because it is going to be disastrous for the workforce if we don't address this issue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Acjwd0BPXV6JY4uZPAH8tila8HAIjHOkNsyX6v48dDAtz1SkdWMoUcYeYLa02KlS8fKmiYs20Jxxv-Vu8GayOdFxBiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.71'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>That is so incredibly true, and I love what you said about setting projects up to fail, especially something as massive and as high budget and high spend as a Super Bowl spot. I mean, those are high, high stakes. And to spend all that time and energy on something that whether you don't realize is going to just bomb out or you know it, but I can't say it. Oh my goodness, that's not going to end well for anyone. It's going to be so demoralizing to you. And also please, as you are going about practicing the craft to public relations, we've got to keep our industry in mind. How does that present as our profession of what we do? I mean, we especially need to have the capability to have those hard conversations. And it doesn't have to be, it's like they say, oh, it took me five seconds to do that task. I've been putting off for five months because I thought it would take five hours. It's kind of like that a lot of time. Those hard conversations that's going to earn you more respect with your clients. They may be relieved that you brought it up. And the point is, it is coming from your caring about the work, your caring about how the client is going to look. So even though it may feel like a negative thing, it may feel like the most uncomfortable, the thing you've ever done. It really is going to lead to a positivity of better work, more progress.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fc-uPm4kflH3JMV7KnOcTQzyGBFZqAqPeDl6mJfau-SiGzyVF-dCmJPHk5Wv6SFZn3aif4_cyY4X3bHAyga_fToMz7o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=639.12'>10:39</a>):</p>
<p>I will tell you that clients absolutely will respect you for standing up for what is right and looking out for the reputation. Not every client is going to like it. Not every client is going to accept your advice. And so there's having the heart conversation, but then also learning how to navigate the solution. So you have to understand how to pick your battles, but you can't understand that if you're never addressing tough things. This is just part of the job and you become better and better at it. So clients will push back, they will tell you, no, I want this, and you can give them your professional counsel and then you have to make some decisions. How important is this? Is this like a fundamental no-No, that we absolutely will not do it. We cannot do it. I'll give you an example. If your client wants to quote someone in print, but they want it to be anonymous, we already know that's not going to fly with reporters unless you're talking in the political arena, deep Russian secrets, murder investigation. But in the business realm, that's not going to fly. You can't have somebody that's an anonymous or a made up name. I've confronted all of these issues over my career once had someone that said, oh, this person is willing to be quoted, but can we just use a fake name? No, we cannot. No.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ehznxsAmaY2OotXIXTwm4keycv8A86iMZE5VVhpBHjKg0TI2C7dLQQZhNoKCzd-rmFrYHr6nehX8DzD4nsxugkP2emo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=724.9'>12:04</a>):</p>
<p>So let's not quote that. So that was an absolute no, no, I am not doing that. If a client wants you to break the law or do something unethical, obviously you're not going to do that. But you're not going to go to the math over a semicolon or over a headline. That is not the greatest. But it doesn't break any rules. There are just some battles you have to choose because this is the negotiation of a client relationship. But again, have those conversations and I think people, they misunderstand difficult conversations with fighting. You're not fighting. Exactly. It's not ugly. It doesn't even have to be, we're not talking raised voices. We're talking being a professional and understanding that in this role, you're not always going to get agreement. And the more that you advance in your career and as you begin to lead people, whether you're in an official leadership role or not, I promise you, because this is something else.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r_mKVmOnDjXvT2JpSHWH_EFGH4YNenh0jAQs740ed0mWoYm46vEfxyWfLejLIzgGlL7i8xMfb0BfmQXMY9Av3_DYki0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=795.23'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>I've seen this trend of the younger generation, not aspiring to be managers, but please understand that leaders are not always leaders by title. You can be leaders by virtue of the way that people listen and respect you, your experience in the field. And so as you advance in your career, whether you have an official leadership title or not, you will be a leader. And these are still issues that you'll have to learn to navigate. You can't just go through your career in your life just going along to please and never saying anything that conflicts with someone else's opinion.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rjlRoFJI1SIBIUPImo6me5E0qvYIyrHeYeZ7mtn-yJyf_avn5b-XyUbbh50xzX3Z-RBXxL1SwC9SNn8enC3JnrRLmtM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=831.01'>13:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. In fact, that could lead to some disrespect to be completely honest.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrmCmLwRiFvDrbn2wCkvBwX24rV3X5zbhZO1uHrA3Uc4AAhecVX4HUSr3ej7jGwUrM8QkrwYEom8bhS3ye60exz1T0M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=835.48'>13:55</a>):</p>
<p>Most definitely. And if you are a woman in the workforce or any other ethnicity,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YoWz5fRu03YHjtQADGkDXOEm1JA8fdldXWzAsKFI5BehhjQfLCbIuuoN6TXah-r0ot0S_pthP5NHptq30ZUUxxlpei0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=844.67'>14:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rUvoziyepowx0NHqEXBqVw78lcz6sZ9oh-hyojqh54X-mMF83DX52eqGFNQqy9F0kDncn2c7J6Ov3NbatK6X4K7MPvs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.16'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>This is something you don't want to do. And I know that women who stand up for themselves and speak their opinions are often regarded negatively. But I will tell you this, I would rather be respected than popular</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b_l4MLEGoi_oFsgR-2ScenrdBKNpbHLCDhb6jkAdHKaBJ35Al5ugtPdarJ6QCmno7ALJcHfJWWv45tV_n8hQx86j-JU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=861.4'>14:21</a>):</p>
<p>Any day.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AmkWFD2VVb8ofyGESKEWXrf-sfxDpTT2eudMRRzU13x9wOTgszGDQx3-i3ZPSnHqb0-ACb6XM7EB_6EPGXB0ex6ej48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=861.65'>14:21</a>):</p>
<p>This is not a popularity contest. I love my clients. I am committed to them. I will not work with someone if I do not respect them, the individual, the people that I will be working with in addition to the organization. So I'm going to fight for you. I'm going to fight to make sure that we are excellent, that we are buttoned up, and that we do everything that we can to safeguard the trust that your customers put into you. And so that means I'm looking out for you, and if I give you counsel, it's coming from a place of me as a strategic advisor, understanding something that you may not, this is my area of expertise and that's why you hired me. So realize that too. Your employer, your clients, they hired you, not so that you could just say yes to everything or be nice. Oh, okay, I'm going to do that. They hired you to do your freaking job.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yQglTfDkHum1DNXY04vRjif1iI4mT2uvieaPenSeacp2tO7CQiklTKTpOBx2Xb0oVfEbNoUDeqjKU721ScMy_-J9Emk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=918.62'>15:18</a>):</p>
<p>It's hard, Karen. It's hard. And you know what? It's hard some days.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WrxkmXybQMjMaNebIx4hSWvad1bh1AawVSbxhidGB729WWxecyBiUxaZIKNXS4UU9NhuVmalNa5u-INzl89XB5WlcDw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=922.91'>15:22</a>):</p>
<p>Some days</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E04SzArjAHsAVxIOknZgrmbGVSbF_ufUzuYltJMbmuBvAYSqtf0o4ETzzNH1J2uR_7IZSRUIJpzUjbvby5Hg8_RjOAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=924.59'>15:24</a>):</p>
<p>You have, but you have to stand your ground and stand up for the right way to move forward. Not that you're always going to be battling something that's unethical, but just if you've made it to the point where you are working as a professional in public relations or communications, you have what you've had, what it takes to get you to that point. So trust that, trust that instinct. And I know it can be very difficult in a world where increasingly sometimes it feels like our profession is not regarded as a profession on par with other professions that have designations. And even though there is a designation in public relations, but hopefully my point's coming across so I get it, but we are every bit the professionals. We know our world, and even though other people dabble in our world that does not make them expert and trust, there are things they haven't thought of and are things they would never even have considered. That to us comes firsthand. So try it. We're going to challenge. If you're in that generation, we're going to challenge you to try it. It'll feel good, it'll be scary, but you know what? I call those a good scared. Take a step into the good scared. And if you're looking for a community that will help guide you, shameless self-promotion, plug segue,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjBmotva4JSefUxmDnj4g7pLampKXGZA1rjjwmynGtUg9ygvAeidObmy19Ehomu3Fe-C9rj0OahAKhl-bl-U-lr6HVM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1013.6'>16:53</a>):</p>
<p>Sign up for the newsletters@soloprpro.com, join the community because that is where I call it the ultimate staff meeting. It is a safe space where we can ask what we might feel is a dumb question or we can say, Hey, I'm facing this situation. I'm really unsure how to handle it. I'm not comfortable. Have you ever experienced this? What did you do? You'll get such wise and supportive counsel, it will blow your socks off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uPJ318lcVYLucwuDWXBMw00edx0Tjbk96asAM7B0j-gDbf6TVZpqTz5ZqE_cNreL-mpYcaRr4bjwQkYrnA6mjUHECn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1044.53'>17:24</a>):</p>
<p>Agreed. It is a really spectacular community of peers that are not just takers, but givers. And there is a wide range of experiences. And so it really is unique in that you don't have people that are confined to just certain industries. There's wide ranging areas of expertise. Us and I could not ask for a greater group of people to hang out with. And so yes, please. I of course selfishly would love for you to join solo pr, but we also would love it if you told people about this podcast that is geared to communication professionals. We've been doing this for what, Michelle? 300 episodes or so?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GcebRJ21xLxaEMqpYa2aiorm-p9sw71Uqbtfs0GSnvj3sJQKGx2_GvymVEYxeAcMJ6E3kCs_yDv45PoFv98T6VlNyK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1092.24'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>We're getting there. This might be 237. Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KJQxWLN_aD1eNzaLEqhKBhR4X_RcEEZf8MvtHloK1wQlxA3LA6l9CeOMOd6hhRu1JfJwK4__YAw2IWCyMhaSMyksmwE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1094.67'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>So this is not a fly by night operation. We are committed, we are passionate, and we have been consistent in broadcasting week after week after week. And we still love it today as much as we did on episode one, and we hope that you do too. We're always open to topics that you want to see covered, guests that you may want to have appear. I would say stay tuned in March. We have, oh my God, I'm so excited about guests that we have in March and the things that are going on talk about March Madness. It is just going to be a huge celebration. So please, please share it your episodes. We put them out on social media as well. So if you could follow us on social and share, we would so appreciate it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GVG8uTx109eSB5IJ9BSN_y6gVwNiSXtPFG9Gtxm9mbVRr4VRkaGCZEIrVkZoOR3pr7GLBzgur0xFfEUPW22faE1TENI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1143.3'>19:03</a>):</p>
<p>We absolutely would. And we thank you and we value the time you give us each week. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[On this episode we're chatting about how different generations handle criticism, especially after some Super Bowl ad backlash. We dive into why tough love is key in PR and how it's essential for solo PR pros to get real with clients. Plus, we tackle the big question: How do we teach the next gen these crucial soft skills? Tune in for an honest, straight-talk session on the art of handling the hard stuff in PR.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another week, another beautiful podcast time, not our goodness.
Karen Swim, APR (00:22):
Hi Michelle. I'm doing so well and just glad to be here and been in this time with you and our listeners. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:34):
I'm doing well too. Yes, we're making it through February, which is fantastic. I was just talking to a client and we were both marveling at how it is flying by.
Karen Swim, APR (00:45):
It really is. I cannot believe that next week is the end of February. It's the last week in the month that went so quickly.
Michelle Kane (00:54):
Even with the extra day in it, it's just seems to be just going poof, which is fine.
Karen Swim, APR (00:58):
Yeah.
Michelle Kane (00:59):
It means more daylight for us to soak in and that's good. We've made it through the darkness of the season, so congratulations to all of us. And speaking of how darkness can have an impact, we're going to talk today actually about constructive criticism and how we're kind of sensing a little bit, we're feeling our generation a little bit in light of, I think, Karen, you brought up some comments over on LinkedIn about some Super Bowl ads and just some of the pushback that would you say, is it Gen Z mainly? What were you finding?
Karen Swim, APR (01:43):
Yeah, it's interesting. So there was some criticism of Super Bowl ads and for a certain generation of us it's like, okay, that's normal, right? Come in the marketing industry, push back at the criticism saying, let's all be kind. These people work so hard and it's the biggest stage, blah, blah, blah. And then another person of a different generation, older, not maybe a millennial, stepped up and said something completely different. Basically like Boohoo, get over yourself. And I thought that her point was well taken and I immediately saw that these were generational differences. So all of the people that were team know criticism were younger and all of the people that brought up the point of criticism is beneficial.
Michelle Kane (02:42):
Yeah, absolutely. Were older
Karen Swim, APR (02:44):
And it made me think about how this plays out in the PR profession, what it means to our clients and what it means to this new generation of practitioners.
Michelle Kane (02:57):
Yeah, that's very true because I mean, let's be honest, part of our job as PR practitioners is to be that voice of honesty, to bring the stark realism in, even if it's just to prepare people for the landscape they may face. I always borrow, I borrow a line from Billy Bragg and say, I am that little black cloud in a dress. That's my job. I'm not saying that I'm not coming at you to be negative or to put a downer on our efforts, but just this is the component that we need to keep in mind in everything we do that might happen. Yeah, it's
Karen Swim, APR (03:36):
Important. I love that line. That is such a perfect line, and I know it seems a little morose, but it cannot be more true for us as communicators that we have to deal in reality and we have to tactfully deliver news and we have to be honest with our]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the pitfalls of blindly following trends in the PR and marketing world. It’s important to keep strategies aligned with a brand's core values and mission. “Going viral” is not a meaningful goal if it doesn’t translate into meaningful engagement or revenue.  </p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T5i0PDRJgQAp6_DvqZLKNQURdDS7CIdEdiYz_D50MCm8XXt5MLPl-9Q76NOibTkPaRXkFCQJC1yk9vlMh2qaVc6XDgU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.52'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as ever, my wonderful co-host, the Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fjsLdo09APbs7vU72SKW9VcRB_NoUAGkLqLo03BBUqFvM3y1Mma-qeM-vXptQtA3GhPwNUWQ-tXXriUHP0OqqlS6aPc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.7'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. I'm nice and dry, which I understand is not the case with many across the country.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FBgU36bcYXQQd60SCP3IaBu6-2Es7fMOOrqklZ414QppjjC69gWqTNk8cZIdBwvvw5vi5P2k_LQJRk_yVZAJ2YmhL94?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.85'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>So true. This is true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rIBY-rs6Wuh4_d-0kjZ-qiuC9IWGOUkqKP6sWNEWcQSxDUDYtOL6n2xDDxMJj4iXO43WJS_hsO9Bk9TezmejEfOPyJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=43.01'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZBZ7oFXXpHXdnQjOaa8bG8mDX0HbDl1ROQmTLaW_87JHFI7n3MIWG276CkiY-UJQ2cOrTWFZOTrAJprYC2pX82UTM10?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=44.34'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well. I'm well. By the time this airs though, this will have been at least a week or so ago, but we're in the midst of February, which shouldn't be a surprise that you get a big dump of snow, but it was definitely one of those storms that was supposed to be a nothing that turned into a something which always shakes up the day. I am spinning this for myself in that the cover of snow is making this rare sunshine that much brighter. So I'm soaking all that in.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eRXgtVapkVeE5LF0akUvC1tUab3Ox9Wc_cr_jz7lCubTkEORsV86yUyLQ7NBtmeY21lDg456uDFB3bvuoN5CkOU5obI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.06'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and the sunshine has definitely been rarer. This year I went ahead and invested in a happy light for myself because I was being affected by January where we had endless days of gray, dreary dark zero sunshine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L2N6q5i2qjaIsqsBrcwV0qc55S6KPfcYXiDVIrvPnBY4syiXZEJdm3UxDphg9i07k9BVsc8G7I3hptP24GvzpTul6p0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.94'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. That is a wise investment. I had one of those and it broke, and I've yet to replace it, but given that I have a dark sense of humor, I'd make myself chuckle that even my sad lamp broke. I love that you call it a Happy Lamp. What do you do when sad lamp breaks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/suED0ZNOqCwVH6C4WZt7vUD3VHE41i3yxc36F4Uo5HqFvNUQYJG86as6UhvKA8ygRjZezmwhC-3qa2PwjPSY6_8RFE4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.26'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Well, you replace it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zBiFM8JitSJzCASZKyhCP2oTuofgEciwUmaIILypwMp_ZcVMWgy0hu3eQZZXtVMiGlev4Ti2fNi4TYJB3790GfJTmgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.51'>01:51</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. So yes, being that, oh goodness, we're at that wonderful time in winter where we're smack between the Super Bowl and the Oscars.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pSyuZczsX91yZnzKrbC474Ah6cTfHVi_YqteFkxu0TuM7J8khh10YtVe7EHCdHmB8pnqGpOxLtJRgmfawNFcmCMe09o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.09'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rK6mm7ES947ERDTH_GNjIGdRkTQPIiD_T9R0RrjIQxB57ltpgFB9xdZyAdb8X3BtVR1tb3EpG0qcZiQ8JFkdP0sTpQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.81'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Which for some is our own Super Bowl, but that's a topic for another day. But it brings to mind trends. Clients will see something that has hit the pop culture psyche in a way that everyone's talking about it, and next thing you know, we want to do something like that too. How can we take advantage of this? And I said that in that particular tone because it's not always appropriate, is it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yKwqXTYYkxtAvqcaE5p5G_525BPUvHd3cOqzHlX1C79e2-uaYwx0R5JZ4AMEkPUHwQnx4d-F4DUgsvELK-aPIoiSz6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.43'>02:31</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. And of course we have all had those clients that maybe saw something go viral and they want you to do something for them that will make them go viral. Of course, we all know as communication professionals, just as we can never guarantee media placement unless it's a paid opportunity, paid ethical opportunity that we can't guarantee whether something will go viral or not. No one knows what will go viral. That's sort of the surprise and the fun of it all is that you never know what's going to grab hold. And by the way, going viral doesn't always necessarily translate into revenue. It can translate into a fun moment. So I do think that for professional communications people as well as marketers, it's important to sort of have a framework that you can share with clients like a decision tree. And we talked about this before as it relates to social justice issues and things that are happening in the external world, you have a series of questions that you can work through, so that helps the client to become a little bit logical about whether or not this is something that they should tap into.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n4XNhJEsN4_7-4zo80OPVOMwvAH0OA72_0PAujarxQH_RJk2dc25svRPjW-UdOe--R4x05-wnjMYmN2ovETI5Or4KCM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=229.66'>03:49</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I love that it brings to mind, I had the pleasure and good fortune a few years ago to sit through a nonprofit board training as far as creating your vision, your mission, and the most important of all was just bringing home the point of viewing everything through that lens. Because whether it's a nonprofit or a corporation and you're trying to think of marketing ideas, if it doesn't pass the muster of passing through that lens of let's say in this situation, what are your goals for your public relations? Then even if it's the best idea in the world, that might be fun. If it's not going to solve for one of your distinct goals, you may want to say, yeah, it would be great if we put time and energy into this, but is it really going to be the best use of our resources? Is it going to really provide what we're looking for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JuxIzCJGcIE4izFbRMrc-x1y56KZKLs20QrETx5K5z6jnSJcVqD-slYgGjtGVFYfwRPT6wedDuZaHDmFA6JkkrOFN-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.71'>04:44</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. That is such smart advice, and it's interesting because we as PR pros, we love tapping into trends and we love spinning analogies and we'll take a metaphor and we will metaphor it to death and it's fun. I mean, that kind of stuff is really fun. We've even done it at Solo PR Pro, but for your brands, again, when it's business, and really you have to really first of all look at your audience. So if you're tapping into, we just were off the Super Bowl and it's all about Taylor Swift, unfortunately because Swift was not one of the players. I'm just saying, so you saw millions, she's not so many articles on Taylor Swift and the Taylor showed Craft and Taylor Swift, this and Taylor Swift that and Taylor, Taylor, Taylor Taylor. But if your brand is a investment firm, is that going to really matter to their audience? And so I think that it's always important to take a step back and to think about who you are as a brand and help your clients to own who they are because that's step one of all of your communications. It's really having mission, vision and values and being true to that, even if that means ignoring trends because trends are trends and people are entertained, but we're seeking to do more than entertain. We're seeking to actually engage people and we're actually seeking to move the needle where people do business with us.</p>
<p>It’s a different lens that we're viewing it from. Have fun and yes, it's fun. You can go on TikTok and your CEO can dance, but are people going to trust them with their investments just because you dance? Will they love it? Will they share it? Maybe.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5ITEsEi_HumwEB2yFNG2R6YSznW971DOsSIp31F0wiVDx68SYngxM-Tu4JjmAMj8VvnA9C-xo40JsBImm04PdkUGjwA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.98'>06:36</a>):</p>
<p>Because let's face it, if it's not received well or if you kind of bomb, then that's a whole new problem. I will say one thing I'm seeing in the past week or so, and again, those that are jumping on it are doing it well and it's timely and it makes sense. I don't know if you're seeing these, but the series of Valentine cards that are arranged themed according to the brand. So the Philadelphia Orchestra did a series and it's like based around the kiddie Valentines, simple things. And it's like “You are on my Listz” using composers, or the best one today I sell is from the National Park Service. Something like, you give me a kick and it's a figure of a buffalo hoisting someone into the air. I mean, they're funny, they're timely, they align with the brand, they give you a chuckle. Something like that I think as far as I've seen, has been pretty successful. Now do you need to do those? No. Am I going to run out and make my client do these? No, because first of all, it's too late. And second of all, we have other things to do that will, like you say, move the needle.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kIQoeJbhmx6R7u-cP0B98YdBa-SxaVAvJul6G36mLNjEnpo-n79TkwNbVI32vFNqLJu2WkVKnzp9JEmO_ra9Q6BgdNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=465.44'>07:45</a>):</p>
<p>So I love some of the customizable trends that I think that those, like what you just described, it's clearly it's a holiday here in the United States. And if your brand is somebody that recognizes holidays, tapping into some of those thematic trends that can be customized to your brand are perfectly okay. So that should go on your decision framework. Is this a seasonal or some observance that is recognized by our entire audience? And if so, are we just doing it to have a little fun with that particular observance or to bring awareness to that observance? Then those things are yes. And again, it's all about setting expectations. And your client is using this as a moment to either inform, educate, or entertain your intended audience in a way that's on brand. Then maybe it is something that you tap into. I will say we have all of these things that happened in the start of the year. We also, it's still February and I believe this will still air in February. It's a black history month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7x-95J9RxhqIb5eAdhyYC00EJUGYx65MnZYDJ5t0lLVlJ-blSV_hadnA4Xvgd0GuH8dlAIXNa_WGqXDfhCJBhBlSo78?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.33'>08:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ve8QCkpcWCvtEea4tPZSx7tf8jv0aLz3WeIDBNIpFONstFz9FVN4TQAN651uLguq7esiNFHg2uN4ISOUS9K-nKESQks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.99'>08:53</a>):</p>
<p>This is one of those trends that you don't want to just ride the coattails up and start all of a sudden sharing Martin Luther King quotes, particularly if your organization is not diverse, knows nothing about diversity, is not doing anything to move the needle on diversity, please just opt out. And I can say that this is one of those months that you can isolate rather than be inclusive. Maybe this month it's better for you to learn and to be silent. I would honestly rather you be silent than to screw it up. Same with any of Women's history month. If your entire company is all men and you're not doing anything to advance, women probably want to stay out of the public facing promotions, actually fix the problem. I would love it if you all would do that. The problem</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/28r2Z-ClycmT_x7NTCSHcrkNu4lDkkg6PAS5c1d0RkSVQmDsXYy-zegYuvfcNHxbZc3dW6xq8OWKPtZgVGre8Lq5TzA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=590.97'>09:50</a>):</p>
<p>That's so perfect though, because it really brings to the forefront of mind. If you don't have something to contribute in a positive way, black history month fun trend, then just don't. That's okay. But please just don't do it because you feel like you have to be in the room of conversation about things. If you truly have nothing to contribute and you're just doing it to be a face value contribution, it's again, your time and energy is better spent elsewhere, including yes, learning and becoming more diverse.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hsz3uh1EricoEmDTXuNr3mBo5XjbDp4xYs-IZ16KqGxCJ-xSTKw-iXpFegiI0-8a_uM2IwFn5o-0Kua2lmYh_2_4tTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=631.41'>10:31</a>):</p>
<p>And I know that some people, some leaders and some organizations are critical of what they refer to as the easily offended era. So they feel like there's so many landmines. We can't say that anymore. We can't do this anymore. But I want to put that in context as well. And here's how you can help your clients navigate these potential landmines. You are right. Many more landmines exist today, seemingly, although there's always been an etiquette that we all followed in communications and in behavior throughout our entire history. There's always been rules, there's always been cultural things. But today the awareness is particularly heightened because we have so many ways of sharing information and you're exposed to so many more people. When we didn't have the internet, our day-to-Day interactions were really limited to in-person interactions. So you office and whatever makeup of your office, that's what you were exposed to.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DOw0YMy__Qj4c4YAxAJjk-vsk3Aw1TLSXV4IBEWKqWNlcxxiNxSZ3WEEJjZDNOfmV3-Y1Txv8iuxaYMSXJxRnXJJJJY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=694.63'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>You didn't have a lot of outside opinions. All of your customers could not get on a social media platform and do a video about your product. And so you don't hate those things. You love it. I'm sure the pink stuff loved it when they had been making products forever and suddenly this little clean influencer, not for money just said, I love this. And she was talking about it and it went completely viral. Did they say that? Gosh darn internet, it put us on the map and we've been doing this forever. No. So you can't rage against the machine that give it because that same machine will take it. And these landmines are opportunities for us to become better educated about how to be better at speaking with our audiences, but also not isolating groups of people as we have done in the past. So I don't think that this is a bad thing.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5H_fhLMrsecMoGeqih3VvsbQFFNIVpXBaGYWXwz_8610S8yDI1GhwLwihZDvdYU88I_YcUZaKaEh5v8stm6-defI9Mk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=748.81'>12:28</a>):</p>
<p>I think that this is all a great thing and it's just awareness, right? And I think at the core of what we're talking about today, we know this as communicators, it's all about encouraging your clients to be true to their brand, to be true to who they really are. Authenticity, that big word that we throw around a lot really brains here. If you're authentic, you don't have to observe a single holiday, but if the content that you produce on any communication channel is truly you, it's representative and it's seeking to add value to your audience, you really can't go wrong. Will you possibly make someone mad? You will. No. Getting around that in 2024, someone will be mad, even if it's the greatest thing in the world. People are mad at Elma,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V67NrxOqYwxut23WZ-qRc8lUhPg74Ek6VbqZWYXyKtIqr5c3AJtoudlx7x0watnqMa8czBT-e6FlkS0wt9prkwGsgfU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=800.47'>13:20</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Yeah, exactly. There are people who just love to be contrary as a hobby. So we always used to say, if that happened with anything we did, well, we've done our job. We've made them happy by allowing them to express their misery.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ALyaXx8bFCQIyShpdurvVRltBWirEHAxj3pmBv8ydSPmoEPhzsBtMyMErtPHwbewO9KvJ7HtLMjyc51rV3mMppzunhk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.89'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8dCZHV-B0rk5haxPA3ZvkgNcwfGK7e8gdEiEQmD8gUzNzqIp1Y1VQhkviLZICYO0lMWmozU7WQaYGpWkmitc8kQDgHk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=819.4'>13:39</a>):</p>
<p>But it's so true. So I think self-awareness goes a long way for your brand. And like you say, knowing who you are, how you want to present yourselves, you do not have to be everything to everyone because not everyone is into your brand. And that goes, if you're a popular soda brand or even the bigs, not everybody's for you. And that's all right, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u1WPpM3Z91HfcS7XptV7XTq5jho1cfky-j1zhWdtaRTegi65nK32qlx0IPCebQXa3uESLPEXaXAOv2wweYBdZ_AEeag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.58'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>Just I think we all have to get back to the idea that why is everybody wanting to be famous? There's a downside to fame. And so that's really not our business proposition. I'm going to make you famous. No, you only need to be known by the people that matter to your purpose, your mission, your organization, period. No one else has to know your name. You don't have to be famous. You don't have to be a viral sensation to matter in this world. And if we could sort of dial it down from that and back up and say, what are we really trying to do here? What are we trying to accomplish? It really would make the work of communication professionals a lot easier. So that little message is for anyone who may not be in the comms business, please don't put these expectations on your communication professionals that are just trying to do their job and do the right thing and have plans that make sense and be strategic on your behalf. We know what to do if you'll let us do it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PEhrEK1e-88dmsUq3WTFwbvdLjt9D7g8jyPFy2scPY5XfdxefWDYqwLjo36_ZtwqiAmALeJGZm35XETVslB3kbiu0mU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.15'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And it all comes down to vanity metrics. I mean, how many times I like to think these days are over, but probably not. But the clients that are saying, oh, look at all the Facebook likes this account has, I was like, yeah, okay. How many of them are bought? How many of them actually do business with them? I don't care if they have 12,000 likes, if only 1000 of those are actually potential customers. It's just numbers. Yeah. And let's face it, most of the time going viral, like that example you gave is total serendipity. And how did that happen? Because that company was leading with who they are and how they help people, and that is what caught fire.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/voRHodqdFCWebU8rhdsyT4YB8rtgl9_j5usva7UoNRS6iA8ImMPKJ_NiXDoxEu3jZKr79zsEiAudyZ_hQK1YbtNltN0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=962.21'>16:02</a>):</p>
<p>So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hHOeyhNmsCTQ7eUGkeDX5JwB2FrXR6LTS6X3vgM0G5sy_0YRGfcYpr8PSA8ML9iEt9bLv3hSjly8aHor8muQ0RpsgVs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=963.02'>16:03</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, there it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EKHLMvePEhqACwRiZSBzuJ2faQSFlk9l6lxNy64sCdBpGZsp3-1H2sZf3Ej7AvDT2dQ305JbmQiK04MlZ_olmmpRDeA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.55'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>An influencer from the UK did not get on the internet and say, my mission in life is to become famous and to put pink stuff on the map. She just liked to clean. And people found that deeply satisfying to watch someone cleaning, and she was sharing what she was using and it took off. I mean, I think the folding lady, I love the folding lady. The folding lady is my stress reliever. I don't think that she started folding. Let me learn how to become an expert in folding so that I can be completely famous. She just shared something that she genuinely loved to do with people on the internet because we can do that these days. And so yeah, I do a lot of stuff that I love and that I'm happy to do and pass on information. And I've never been a viral sensation, and that's okay. I'm okay with that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NeVW5Jv10PxH44ohX8ufCCfkXBTaHBaWIS_1pUhrS62rOkQCYVVFNwXEeQNU2_Sqv-BOiI77aNUJRyrMX-A2Sq5rIIM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1018.13'>16:58</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. No, no one wants to be a virus these days anyway,</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z187l5DLNaUO6QSfokRCJSkxjTutSDy0fsn8mEuxiXXcryv5ZfYYDbchG3JJa19CIyM_fVfqClg23kf2n1kvA06djoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1021.82'>17:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yes,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tRc1_hMN0kGhR_2HS6Cj_uGk61ZnPEl9i8oVfkPAlxm3dc2djN6MXupTqPqbi0kjIkxjW6NVW6IWFemEaQNrxulUCsk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.6'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>I might have to check out the folding lady because if I ever conquer a fitted sheet, it will be a miracle.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nmUvt5vPRb422_R13qvvkUOEOlux7Mk8RNgONwEMSdtFg9fbN4wwK75XyHs74ENZqZK9cJY6AdZe4nt3D24JKCaIxdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1031.54'>17:11</a>):</p>
<p>She folds fitted sheet as beautifully as my mother did, and that is something amazing compliment that I can possibly give her.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FI6IV0OZmOrzqi1hDz7MIIkR6bf3vpGSwh-K-JZXJA2o3b-y06D5x-5l4XAzzVUSgfdIlYlKa-g4h-XIuzLAdByUYNo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1038.9'>17:18</a>):</p>
<p>That’s a gift.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9r34Uu6Xv72zlPGzSEenGRiCpHxgcHy6IKQmQQuVbm-RdFlV3Ic-WDC6ozlvhiuN85uvhsPvHHDOQ62ojOr-hJ0Q8Qc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1039.31'>17:19</a>):</p>
<p>So beautiful. Everything she folds is so beautiful, and I love her. And whenever I pull out my own folding board, I think Thank you folding lady.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qJRf5nWD5n554GN5Wc9VWKJrTaAeqXol5WjxyYNk63OLdYaoq37hLWhyEeRP8-Jv4GJnIU3Ph9-0Vd2QQfxE4dAOFF8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1049.78'>17:29</a>):</p>
<p>I love it. Well, Karen, do you have anything to tell our listeners about what's happening at Solo PR Pro?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/izHyzHmiEPYbO_vWn7NUVWcYNSM26H2Do3pKM68w9LjNDaQZuZPyt3cPTyoEgXlrTPjb7t_Eopg3m1_f00xuO38E_tA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1055.84'>17:35</a>):</p>
<p>I do. I'm so happy to be able to share some news because it feels like forever, since we've had news and we're doing something very special with the lettuce and it's lettuce.co, we will have the address in the show notes where they have made a special offer where the first 1000 solopreneurs to sign up for this will get a free business audit. So Lettuce is a company that will help you to manage your business finances in a way that makes sense to all of us and it's app base. No privacy concerns here, but hop over to the link in the show notes and register for your freebie because it's free, but they're only taking a thousand people. But we also, they've also agreed to do a little workshop for us on escorts and how to go from a solo proprietorship to an S corp, which is great, whether you've been in business for a long time and you started as an LLC or you're thinking of starting your business, or you just started your business because they're going to walk us through some of the benefits and what it means to be become an S corp. And there are tons of benefits to it that many people may not be aware of. So please follow us, subscribe to our channel, sign up for our newsletter, and we'll have this information in the show notes for you. And we hope to just continue to bring you things that are meaningful to you in your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Eurqa8tT30s0aUXx2ElCsNv5T7g0QzXY1D87-mC0UD4LsrXuFONiZlfXOuI5ApugVl9HAdD13FIgfH4-bc0q1mOzliY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1142.43'>19:02</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And Karen and I, we love chatting like this all the time, but ultimately we want this to be helpful for you. So let us know at solopro.com. If you do find these episodes valuable, please share us around your socials. We're not asking you to make us viral, although we won't complain, but we would love that if you would share us around. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the pitfalls of blindly following trends in the PR and marketing world. It’s important to keep strategies aligned with a brand's core values and mission. “Going viral” is not a meaningful goal if it doesn’t translate into meaningful engagement or revenue.  </p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T5i0PDRJgQAp6_DvqZLKNQURdDS7CIdEdiYz_D50MCm8XXt5MLPl-9Q76NOibTkPaRXkFCQJC1yk9vlMh2qaVc6XDgU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.52'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as ever, my wonderful co-host, the Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fjsLdo09APbs7vU72SKW9VcRB_NoUAGkLqLo03BBUqFvM3y1Mma-qeM-vXptQtA3GhPwNUWQ-tXXriUHP0OqqlS6aPc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.7'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. I'm nice and dry, which I understand is not the case with many across the country.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FBgU36bcYXQQd60SCP3IaBu6-2Es7fMOOrqklZ414QppjjC69gWqTNk8cZIdBwvvw5vi5P2k_LQJRk_yVZAJ2YmhL94?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.85'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>So true. This is true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rIBY-rs6Wuh4_d-0kjZ-qiuC9IWGOUkqKP6sWNEWcQSxDUDYtOL6n2xDDxMJj4iXO43WJS_hsO9Bk9TezmejEfOPyJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=43.01'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZBZ7oFXXpHXdnQjOaa8bG8mDX0HbDl1ROQmTLaW_87JHFI7n3MIWG276CkiY-UJQ2cOrTWFZOTrAJprYC2pX82UTM10?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=44.34'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well. I'm well. By the time this airs though, this will have been at least a week or so ago, but we're in the midst of February, which shouldn't be a surprise that you get a big dump of snow, but it was definitely one of those storms that was supposed to be a nothing that turned into a something which always shakes up the day. I am spinning this for myself in that the cover of snow is making this rare sunshine that much brighter. So I'm soaking all that in.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eRXgtVapkVeE5LF0akUvC1tUab3Ox9Wc_cr_jz7lCubTkEORsV86yUyLQ7NBtmeY21lDg456uDFB3bvuoN5CkOU5obI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.06'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and the sunshine has definitely been rarer. This year I went ahead and invested in a happy light for myself because I was being affected by January where we had endless days of gray, dreary dark zero sunshine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L2N6q5i2qjaIsqsBrcwV0qc55S6KPfcYXiDVIrvPnBY4syiXZEJdm3UxDphg9i07k9BVsc8G7I3hptP24GvzpTul6p0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.94'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. That is a wise investment. I had one of those and it broke, and I've yet to replace it, but given that I have a dark sense of humor, I'd make myself chuckle that even my sad lamp broke. I love that you call it a Happy Lamp. What do you do when sad lamp breaks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/suED0ZNOqCwVH6C4WZt7vUD3VHE41i3yxc36F4Uo5HqFvNUQYJG86as6UhvKA8ygRjZezmwhC-3qa2PwjPSY6_8RFE4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.26'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Well, you replace it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zBiFM8JitSJzCASZKyhCP2oTuofgEciwUmaIILypwMp_ZcVMWgy0hu3eQZZXtVMiGlev4Ti2fNi4TYJB3790GfJTmgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=111.51'>01:51</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. So yes, being that, oh goodness, we're at that wonderful time in winter where we're smack between the Super Bowl and the Oscars.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pSyuZczsX91yZnzKrbC474Ah6cTfHVi_YqteFkxu0TuM7J8khh10YtVe7EHCdHmB8pnqGpOxLtJRgmfawNFcmCMe09o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.09'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rK6mm7ES947ERDTH_GNjIGdRkTQPIiD_T9R0RrjIQxB57ltpgFB9xdZyAdb8X3BtVR1tb3EpG0qcZiQ8JFkdP0sTpQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.81'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Which for some is our own Super Bowl, but that's a topic for another day. But it brings to mind trends. Clients will see something that has hit the pop culture psyche in a way that everyone's talking about it, and next thing you know, we want to do something like that too. How can we take advantage of this? And I said that in that particular tone because it's not always appropriate, is it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yKwqXTYYkxtAvqcaE5p5G_525BPUvHd3cOqzHlX1C79e2-uaYwx0R5JZ4AMEkPUHwQnx4d-F4DUgsvELK-aPIoiSz6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=151.43'>02:31</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. And of course we have all had those clients that maybe saw something go viral and they want you to do something for them that will make them go viral. Of course, we all know as communication professionals, just as we can never guarantee media placement unless it's a paid opportunity, paid ethical opportunity that we can't guarantee whether something will go viral or not. No one knows what will go viral. That's sort of the surprise and the fun of it all is that you never know what's going to grab hold. And by the way, going viral doesn't always necessarily translate into revenue. It can translate into a fun moment. So I do think that for professional communications people as well as marketers, it's important to sort of have a framework that you can share with clients like a decision tree. And we talked about this before as it relates to social justice issues and things that are happening in the external world, you have a series of questions that you can work through, so that helps the client to become a little bit logical about whether or not this is something that they should tap into.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n4XNhJEsN4_7-4zo80OPVOMwvAH0OA72_0PAujarxQH_RJk2dc25svRPjW-UdOe--R4x05-wnjMYmN2ovETI5Or4KCM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=229.66'>03:49</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I love that it brings to mind, I had the pleasure and good fortune a few years ago to sit through a nonprofit board training as far as creating your vision, your mission, and the most important of all was just bringing home the point of viewing everything through that lens. Because whether it's a nonprofit or a corporation and you're trying to think of marketing ideas, if it doesn't pass the muster of passing through that lens of let's say in this situation, what are your goals for your public relations? Then even if it's the best idea in the world, that might be fun. If it's not going to solve for one of your distinct goals, you may want to say, yeah, it would be great if we put time and energy into this, but is it really going to be the best use of our resources? Is it going to really provide what we're looking for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JuxIzCJGcIE4izFbRMrc-x1y56KZKLs20QrETx5K5z6jnSJcVqD-slYgGjtGVFYfwRPT6wedDuZaHDmFA6JkkrOFN-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=284.71'>04:44</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. That is such smart advice, and it's interesting because we as PR pros, we love tapping into trends and we love spinning analogies and we'll take a metaphor and we will metaphor it to death and it's fun. I mean, that kind of stuff is really fun. We've even done it at Solo PR Pro, but for your brands, again, when it's business, and really you have to really first of all look at your audience. So if you're tapping into, we just were off the Super Bowl and it's all about Taylor Swift, unfortunately because Swift was not one of the players. I'm just saying, so you saw millions, she's not so many articles on Taylor Swift and the Taylor showed Craft and Taylor Swift, this and Taylor Swift that and Taylor, Taylor, Taylor Taylor. But if your brand is a investment firm, is that going to really matter to their audience? And so I think that it's always important to take a step back and to think about who you are as a brand and help your clients to own who they are because that's step one of all of your communications. It's really having mission, vision and values and being true to that, even if that means ignoring trends because trends are trends and people are entertained, but we're seeking to do more than entertain. We're seeking to actually engage people and we're actually seeking to move the needle where people do business with us.</p>
<p>It’s a different lens that we're viewing it from. Have fun and yes, it's fun. You can go on TikTok and your CEO can dance, but are people going to trust them with their investments just because you dance? Will they love it? Will they share it? Maybe.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5ITEsEi_HumwEB2yFNG2R6YSznW971DOsSIp31F0wiVDx68SYngxM-Tu4JjmAMj8VvnA9C-xo40JsBImm04PdkUGjwA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=396.98'>06:36</a>):</p>
<p>Because let's face it, if it's not received well or if you kind of bomb, then that's a whole new problem. I will say one thing I'm seeing in the past week or so, and again, those that are jumping on it are doing it well and it's timely and it makes sense. I don't know if you're seeing these, but the series of Valentine cards that are arranged themed according to the brand. So the Philadelphia Orchestra did a series and it's like based around the kiddie Valentines, simple things. And it's like “You are on my Listz” using composers, or the best one today I sell is from the National Park Service. Something like, you give me a kick and it's a figure of a buffalo hoisting someone into the air. I mean, they're funny, they're timely, they align with the brand, they give you a chuckle. Something like that I think as far as I've seen, has been pretty successful. Now do you need to do those? No. Am I going to run out and make my client do these? No, because first of all, it's too late. And second of all, we have other things to do that will, like you say, move the needle.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kIQoeJbhmx6R7u-cP0B98YdBa-SxaVAvJul6G36mLNjEnpo-n79TkwNbVI32vFNqLJu2WkVKnzp9JEmO_ra9Q6BgdNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=465.44'>07:45</a>):</p>
<p>So I love some of the customizable trends that I think that those, like what you just described, it's clearly it's a holiday here in the United States. And if your brand is somebody that recognizes holidays, tapping into some of those thematic trends that can be customized to your brand are perfectly okay. So that should go on your decision framework. Is this a seasonal or some observance that is recognized by our entire audience? And if so, are we just doing it to have a little fun with that particular observance or to bring awareness to that observance? Then those things are yes. And again, it's all about setting expectations. And your client is using this as a moment to either inform, educate, or entertain your intended audience in a way that's on brand. Then maybe it is something that you tap into. I will say we have all of these things that happened in the start of the year. We also, it's still February and I believe this will still air in February. It's a black history month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7x-95J9RxhqIb5eAdhyYC00EJUGYx65MnZYDJ5t0lLVlJ-blSV_hadnA4Xvgd0GuH8dlAIXNa_WGqXDfhCJBhBlSo78?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.33'>08:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ve8QCkpcWCvtEea4tPZSx7tf8jv0aLz3WeIDBNIpFONstFz9FVN4TQAN651uLguq7esiNFHg2uN4ISOUS9K-nKESQks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=533.99'>08:53</a>):</p>
<p>This is one of those trends that you don't want to just ride the coattails up and start all of a sudden sharing Martin Luther King quotes, particularly if your organization is not diverse, knows nothing about diversity, is not doing anything to move the needle on diversity, please just opt out. And I can say that this is one of those months that you can isolate rather than be inclusive. Maybe this month it's better for you to learn and to be silent. I would honestly rather you be silent than to screw it up. Same with any of Women's history month. If your entire company is all men and you're not doing anything to advance, women probably want to stay out of the public facing promotions, actually fix the problem. I would love it if you all would do that. The problem</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/28r2Z-ClycmT_x7NTCSHcrkNu4lDkkg6PAS5c1d0RkSVQmDsXYy-zegYuvfcNHxbZc3dW6xq8OWKPtZgVGre8Lq5TzA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=590.97'>09:50</a>):</p>
<p>That's so perfect though, because it really brings to the forefront of mind. If you don't have something to contribute in a positive way, black history month fun trend, then just don't. That's okay. But please just don't do it because you feel like you have to be in the room of conversation about things. If you truly have nothing to contribute and you're just doing it to be a face value contribution, it's again, your time and energy is better spent elsewhere, including yes, learning and becoming more diverse.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hsz3uh1EricoEmDTXuNr3mBo5XjbDp4xYs-IZ16KqGxCJ-xSTKw-iXpFegiI0-8a_uM2IwFn5o-0Kua2lmYh_2_4tTw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=631.41'>10:31</a>):</p>
<p>And I know that some people, some leaders and some organizations are critical of what they refer to as the easily offended era. So they feel like there's so many landmines. We can't say that anymore. We can't do this anymore. But I want to put that in context as well. And here's how you can help your clients navigate these potential landmines. You are right. Many more landmines exist today, seemingly, although there's always been an etiquette that we all followed in communications and in behavior throughout our entire history. There's always been rules, there's always been cultural things. But today the awareness is particularly heightened because we have so many ways of sharing information and you're exposed to so many more people. When we didn't have the internet, our day-to-Day interactions were really limited to in-person interactions. So you office and whatever makeup of your office, that's what you were exposed to.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DOw0YMy__Qj4c4YAxAJjk-vsk3Aw1TLSXV4IBEWKqWNlcxxiNxSZ3WEEJjZDNOfmV3-Y1Txv8iuxaYMSXJxRnXJJJJY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=694.63'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>You didn't have a lot of outside opinions. All of your customers could not get on a social media platform and do a video about your product. And so you don't hate those things. You love it. I'm sure the pink stuff loved it when they had been making products forever and suddenly this little clean influencer, not for money just said, I love this. And she was talking about it and it went completely viral. Did they say that? Gosh darn internet, it put us on the map and we've been doing this forever. No. So you can't rage against the machine that give it because that same machine will take it. And these landmines are opportunities for us to become better educated about how to be better at speaking with our audiences, but also not isolating groups of people as we have done in the past. So I don't think that this is a bad thing.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5H_fhLMrsecMoGeqih3VvsbQFFNIVpXBaGYWXwz_8610S8yDI1GhwLwihZDvdYU88I_YcUZaKaEh5v8stm6-defI9Mk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=748.81'>12:28</a>):</p>
<p>I think that this is all a great thing and it's just awareness, right? And I think at the core of what we're talking about today, we know this as communicators, it's all about encouraging your clients to be true to their brand, to be true to who they really are. Authenticity, that big word that we throw around a lot really brains here. If you're authentic, you don't have to observe a single holiday, but if the content that you produce on any communication channel is truly you, it's representative and it's seeking to add value to your audience, you really can't go wrong. Will you possibly make someone mad? You will. No. Getting around that in 2024, someone will be mad, even if it's the greatest thing in the world. People are mad at Elma,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V67NrxOqYwxut23WZ-qRc8lUhPg74Ek6VbqZWYXyKtIqr5c3AJtoudlx7x0watnqMa8czBT-e6FlkS0wt9prkwGsgfU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=800.47'>13:20</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Yeah, exactly. There are people who just love to be contrary as a hobby. So we always used to say, if that happened with anything we did, well, we've done our job. We've made them happy by allowing them to express their misery.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ALyaXx8bFCQIyShpdurvVRltBWirEHAxj3pmBv8ydSPmoEPhzsBtMyMErtPHwbewO9KvJ7HtLMjyc51rV3mMppzunhk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.89'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8dCZHV-B0rk5haxPA3ZvkgNcwfGK7e8gdEiEQmD8gUzNzqIp1Y1VQhkviLZICYO0lMWmozU7WQaYGpWkmitc8kQDgHk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=819.4'>13:39</a>):</p>
<p>But it's so true. So I think self-awareness goes a long way for your brand. And like you say, knowing who you are, how you want to present yourselves, you do not have to be everything to everyone because not everyone is into your brand. And that goes, if you're a popular soda brand or even the bigs, not everybody's for you. And that's all right, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u1WPpM3Z91HfcS7XptV7XTq5jho1cfky-j1zhWdtaRTegi65nK32qlx0IPCebQXa3uESLPEXaXAOv2wweYBdZ_AEeag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.58'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>Just I think we all have to get back to the idea that why is everybody wanting to be famous? There's a downside to fame. And so that's really not our business proposition. I'm going to make you famous. No, you only need to be known by the people that matter to your purpose, your mission, your organization, period. No one else has to know your name. You don't have to be famous. You don't have to be a viral sensation to matter in this world. And if we could sort of dial it down from that and back up and say, what are we really trying to do here? What are we trying to accomplish? It really would make the work of communication professionals a lot easier. So that little message is for anyone who may not be in the comms business, please don't put these expectations on your communication professionals that are just trying to do their job and do the right thing and have plans that make sense and be strategic on your behalf. We know what to do if you'll let us do it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PEhrEK1e-88dmsUq3WTFwbvdLjt9D7g8jyPFy2scPY5XfdxefWDYqwLjo36_ZtwqiAmALeJGZm35XETVslB3kbiu0mU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.15'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And it all comes down to vanity metrics. I mean, how many times I like to think these days are over, but probably not. But the clients that are saying, oh, look at all the Facebook likes this account has, I was like, yeah, okay. How many of them are bought? How many of them actually do business with them? I don't care if they have 12,000 likes, if only 1000 of those are actually potential customers. It's just numbers. Yeah. And let's face it, most of the time going viral, like that example you gave is total serendipity. And how did that happen? Because that company was leading with who they are and how they help people, and that is what caught fire.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/voRHodqdFCWebU8rhdsyT4YB8rtgl9_j5usva7UoNRS6iA8ImMPKJ_NiXDoxEu3jZKr79zsEiAudyZ_hQK1YbtNltN0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=962.21'>16:02</a>):</p>
<p>So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hHOeyhNmsCTQ7eUGkeDX5JwB2FrXR6LTS6X3vgM0G5sy_0YRGfcYpr8PSA8ML9iEt9bLv3hSjly8aHor8muQ0RpsgVs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=963.02'>16:03</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, there it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EKHLMvePEhqACwRiZSBzuJ2faQSFlk9l6lxNy64sCdBpGZsp3-1H2sZf3Ej7AvDT2dQ305JbmQiK04MlZ_olmmpRDeA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.55'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>An influencer from the UK did not get on the internet and say, my mission in life is to become famous and to put pink stuff on the map. She just liked to clean. And people found that deeply satisfying to watch someone cleaning, and she was sharing what she was using and it took off. I mean, I think the folding lady, I love the folding lady. The folding lady is my stress reliever. I don't think that she started folding. Let me learn how to become an expert in folding so that I can be completely famous. She just shared something that she genuinely loved to do with people on the internet because we can do that these days. And so yeah, I do a lot of stuff that I love and that I'm happy to do and pass on information. And I've never been a viral sensation, and that's okay. I'm okay with that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NeVW5Jv10PxH44ohX8ufCCfkXBTaHBaWIS_1pUhrS62rOkQCYVVFNwXEeQNU2_Sqv-BOiI77aNUJRyrMX-A2Sq5rIIM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1018.13'>16:58</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. No, no one wants to be a virus these days anyway,</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z187l5DLNaUO6QSfokRCJSkxjTutSDy0fsn8mEuxiXXcryv5ZfYYDbchG3JJa19CIyM_fVfqClg23kf2n1kvA06djoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1021.82'>17:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yes,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tRc1_hMN0kGhR_2HS6Cj_uGk61ZnPEl9i8oVfkPAlxm3dc2djN6MXupTqPqbi0kjIkxjW6NVW6IWFemEaQNrxulUCsk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.6'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>I might have to check out the folding lady because if I ever conquer a fitted sheet, it will be a miracle.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nmUvt5vPRb422_R13qvvkUOEOlux7Mk8RNgONwEMSdtFg9fbN4wwK75XyHs74ENZqZK9cJY6AdZe4nt3D24JKCaIxdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1031.54'>17:11</a>):</p>
<p>She folds fitted sheet as beautifully as my mother did, and that is something amazing compliment that I can possibly give her.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FI6IV0OZmOrzqi1hDz7MIIkR6bf3vpGSwh-K-JZXJA2o3b-y06D5x-5l4XAzzVUSgfdIlYlKa-g4h-XIuzLAdByUYNo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1038.9'>17:18</a>):</p>
<p>That’s a gift.</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9r34Uu6Xv72zlPGzSEenGRiCpHxgcHy6IKQmQQuVbm-RdFlV3Ic-WDC6ozlvhiuN85uvhsPvHHDOQ62ojOr-hJ0Q8Qc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1039.31'>17:19</a>):</p>
<p>So beautiful. Everything she folds is so beautiful, and I love her. And whenever I pull out my own folding board, I think Thank you folding lady.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qJRf5nWD5n554GN5Wc9VWKJrTaAeqXol5WjxyYNk63OLdYaoq37hLWhyEeRP8-Jv4GJnIU3Ph9-0Vd2QQfxE4dAOFF8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1049.78'>17:29</a>):</p>
<p>I love it. Well, Karen, do you have anything to tell our listeners about what's happening at Solo PR Pro?</p>
<p>Karen Swim,, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/izHyzHmiEPYbO_vWn7NUVWcYNSM26H2Do3pKM68w9LjNDaQZuZPyt3cPTyoEgXlrTPjb7t_Eopg3m1_f00xuO38E_tA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1055.84'>17:35</a>):</p>
<p>I do. I'm so happy to be able to share some news because it feels like forever, since we've had news and we're doing something very special with the lettuce and it's lettuce.co, we will have the address in the show notes where they have made a special offer where the first 1000 solopreneurs to sign up for this will get a free business audit. So Lettuce is a company that will help you to manage your business finances in a way that makes sense to all of us and it's app base. No privacy concerns here, but hop over to the link in the show notes and register for your freebie because it's free, but they're only taking a thousand people. But we also, they've also agreed to do a little workshop for us on escorts and how to go from a solo proprietorship to an S corp, which is great, whether you've been in business for a long time and you started as an LLC or you're thinking of starting your business, or you just started your business because they're going to walk us through some of the benefits and what it means to be become an S corp. And there are tons of benefits to it that many people may not be aware of. So please follow us, subscribe to our channel, sign up for our newsletter, and we'll have this information in the show notes for you. And we hope to just continue to bring you things that are meaningful to you in your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Eurqa8tT30s0aUXx2ElCsNv5T7g0QzXY1D87-mC0UD4LsrXuFONiZlfXOuI5ApugVl9HAdD13FIgfH4-bc0q1mOzliY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1142.43'>19:02</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And Karen and I, we love chatting like this all the time, but ultimately we want this to be helpful for you. So let us know at solopro.com. If you do find these episodes valuable, please share us around your socials. We're not asking you to make us viral, although we won't complain, but we would love that if you would share us around. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the pitfalls of blindly following trends in the PR and marketing world. It’s important to keep strategies aligned with a brand's core values and mission. “Going viral” is not a meaningful goal if it doesn’t translate into meaningful engagement or revenue.  
 
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as ever, my wonderful co-host, the Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim,, APR (00:35):
Hi, Michelle. I'm nice and dry, which I understand is not the case with many across the country.
Michelle Kane (00:41):
So true. This is true.
Karen Swim,, APR (00:43):
How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:44):
I'm well. I'm well. By the time this airs though, this will have been at least a week or so ago, but we're in the midst of February, which shouldn't be a surprise that you get a big dump of snow, but it was definitely one of those storms that was supposed to be a nothing that turned into a something which always shakes up the day. I am spinning this for myself in that the cover of snow is making this rare sunshine that much brighter. So I'm soaking all that in.
Karen Swim,, APR (01:09):
Yeah, and the sunshine has definitely been rarer. This year I went ahead and invested in a happy light for myself because I was being affected by January where we had endless days of gray, dreary dark zero sunshine.
Michelle Kane (01:26):
Yes, yes. That is a wise investment. I had one of those and it broke, and I've yet to replace it, but given that I have a dark sense of humor, I'd make myself chuckle that even my sad lamp broke. I love that you call it a Happy Lamp. What do you do when sad lamp breaks.
Karen Swim,, APR (01:46):
Well, you replace it.
Michelle Kane (01:51):
Oh my goodness. So yes, being that, oh goodness, we're at that wonderful time in winter where we're smack between the Super Bowl and the Oscars.
Karen Swim,, APR (02:03):
Yes.
Michelle Kane (02:03):
Which for some is our own Super Bowl, but that's a topic for another day. But it brings to mind trends. Clients will see something that has hit the pop culture psyche in a way that everyone's talking about it, and next thing you know, we want to do something like that too. How can we take advantage of this? And I said that in that particular tone because it's not always appropriate, is it?
Karen Swim,, APR (02:31):
That's so true. And of course we have all had those clients that maybe saw something go viral and they want you to do something for them that will make them go viral. Of course, we all know as communication professionals, just as we can never guarantee media placement unless it's a paid opportunity, paid ethical opportunity that we can't guarantee whether something will go viral or not. No one knows what will go viral. That's sort of the surprise and the fun of it all is that you never know what's going to grab hold. And by the way, going viral doesn't always necessarily translate into revenue. It can translate into a fun moment. So I do think that for professional communications people as well as marketers, it's important to sort of have a framework that you can share with clients like a decision tree. And we talked about this before as it relates to social justice issues and things that are happening in the external world, you have a series of questions that you can work through, so that helps the client to become a little bit logical about whether or not this is something that they should tap into.
Michelle Kane (03:49):
I love that. I love that it brings to mind, I had the pleasure and good fortune a few years ago to sit through a nonprofit board training as far as ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of operating as a solo PR pro or small agency is the ability to build the business that is right for you. But let's face it, there are many people out there who are only going to be comfortable with a certain budget level. In this episode, we want to help you to think creatively about when someone comes your way and they maybe don't have the budget that you desire.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Bonus: information about the exciting Solo PR Pro offer courtesy of <a href='https://lettuce.co/solo_pr'>Lettuce</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Vq-mNHWM50JxtlmRlWA3yTn98E03j2xDSkphjbMraceOnEgtNCTRRvVBIUd6U8nb6XTXzuy-9Egm_k2W_EGI5JGS5Yc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.12'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with The VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. We're here. It's another wonderful episode.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ngPC20hIn84nH_8BCW6BdCSZeP1eOtIsl1p_nCjU5H9RahnA37tftoLeW_8QGHn5wDKA1thdqBz6swSHdQ3b3lOP6g4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.47'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>We are here in the dead of winter, but thankfully here, the sun is shining today. How are you doing, Michelle?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V81ZDWW_7a_8Z1Cy0Bqk1S5Z_gRBdOPwMWX9D2ua70Ew75qKkCkjiZGGoGMJRtRNSJ_BdMeG_qMnKtgOBXIygnzA6S0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.2'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well. Sun is shining here as well in southeastern Pennsylvania, thank goodness. And what are we, I forget what the name of it is, but we're technically at the halfway point, so spring is on its way. I believe the Phillies equipment truck is leaving for Clearwater today for spring training.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxokZan5MLBA2RUePmmXmc7VGaBsrEtXCJNUNw60typgouldXTTcbsLyJ12J-NyZRkUUnKe4J4psrP6UblBsAR5nDkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.4'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>That’s nice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aTMkI58A70aJYW0gSv8NZlHiCzaea6ZNgc9zLIlR-hJCZC4mKC51RdcdEKntKmnugYCJlAXUWr8v3J7M5O3b8a0RzhU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.72'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>We had Phil doing his thing a couple weeks ago and that's all well and good. He predicted in early spring. But the true mark for us, Philly people is when the truck leaves baseball's on its way,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mt8s8wGE8CjaSBQBhMtrYz3VbQ_pnFoY-Ng72SqD6DWJY6OD71urmO55gWerUZqnjyNVH3ToinO_BB2NoeGKdA6Ukfk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=68.55'>01:08</a>):</p>
<p>Baseball is on its way. And you know what? That is good news for all of us because we look forward to spring the new season with hopefully some milder weather and longer days. So that's good. Yay. Baseball.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8UyRP-pRPpx0-ivfdzNJ2xJRXd13apn5SXhmimANGD99WEHdzkOb1h55D4yrDYYRamVmTmhtZqJtkZ3LA4pi30J674w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.92'>01:23</a>):</p>
<p>That’s good. It's good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a3k00r6uj34x3SjfIkWgC5L79hg00235R8KnOI54D7BF0R2g6BE47aX_xHcxUcVQjB86hN8hQxf5zxltW_2_Lz34g20?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=85.44'>01:25</a>):</p>
<p>Right. The start of our baseball season is typically a bit nippy, sometimes snowy, but it's okay because we know that when baseball starts up, spring is on the way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jCPu6r332jhEIFDHAFftY9mUDG14hUCBitDaOvVU-Pb54VUbt8y3GrGq21uLigrdOoobiN8lutPLTC-WpIdmXCYzIoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.89'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, and we'll be complaining about the heat soon enough. But when I think of spring, I think of opportunity and that's a bit of what we're going to talk about today because sometimes you're presented with client work, a client who has, it sounds like it's going to be a great project to work on. You really want to help them because if PR people, most of us, we love to just help people, but we also need to make money and sometimes the budget's not the best fit. So we're just going to chat about how you maneuver that, how you might make that work for you, or how you just might say maybe next time.</p>
<p>I know we have often had those situations where, and I know it's crossed my path as well, where you'll be presented with a budget that's just like, it's just a no, it's a non-starter. You'll have those $500 tire kickers who say, well, my budget's very small. I either don’t know what it's, or well, last time we had $500. And you think, no, first of all, we recommend, unless God forbid, unless you have an electric bill that's overdue, don't do that to yourself. And secondly, my point of view with that is always I can't do the job you need for that low of a budget. So you're better off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/onTGYR0jjm1sJH43-Iy60JihLJGOZklFUe9ExcTJD6WD5pqHTjZ6k9xn2S63Cmscksz63rPyuDdGqJ3qsMPx4ESdEaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.11'>03:08</a>):</p>
<p>And I think one of the things that we want to make sure that we do on this show is we want to always be upbeat, positive and support you in having the business that you want to have. And so I want to be clear that we are never about hustle culture or you have to want to be a millionaire. That is not us at all because we want you to be happy and that definition of happiness is different for all of us, but we also want you to value the work you do and the expertise that you bring to the table. But let's face it, there are many people out there who are only going to be comfortable with a certain budget level. So we want to help you to think creatively about when someone comes your way and they maybe don't have the budget that you desire.</p>
<p>Are there creative things that you can do without selling yourself short? So perfect example, $500 of course, please don't be out there running PR campaigns for $500, but can you consult with the client? Can you do an hour long conversation and provide some recommendations? That doesn't mean that those recommendations are then followed by some big PowerPoint or big report. They would have to pay for that. But is that something that you can offer them for a $500 budget? If somebody has a couple thousand dollars, can you write a press release for them and say, listen, I can't really pitch for this amount, but here's something that I can do. So it's okay. I don't want anyone to feel bad when you are just wanting to take projects that might be easy for you to do, but do it within. The one thing that we always preach in Solo PR Pro is that you should never negotiate your rate.</p>
<p>Whatever your minimum rates are, don't negotiate those, but you can negotiate a scope of work. So yes, even within a very small budget, sometimes there are things that you can do. Now, these are individual decisions. What I highly recommend is that you have your own rate sheet, and it doesn't have to even be shared publicly, but putting something in writing, having a typed rate sheet, maybe you post it in your office somewhere or have it on your computer of your minimum project budget, of your minimum hourly. What is your hourly rate? Knowing that and having it written down and designing your business around those things. User rate calculators, solo PR pro has resources. There are lots of rate calculators out on the web. MBO partners has one that you can utilize so that you're factoring in your overhead expenses. We forget about that. Remember, you've got to pay taxes, you've got to buy business insurance, you have to take care of your entity, you need to have savings for your business, you need to pay yourself all of those things.</p>
<p>Sometimes people are not charging enough to really allow them to live. You are putting yourself in a hole. So having what you need to live and what you need to pay your bills and take care of your business written down, gives you those boundaries. And then you can make decisions smartly when people come to you with a lower budget about, okay, what can I really do for that? If anything? And if you cannot help them, that's okay too. It's okay to say no, but we wanted to address this because again, we talk a lot about upping your budget and how to sell yourself into those bigger accounts, but we don't often talk about is there something that you really can do with small budgets and small projects? And yes, the answer is absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yE5oGwXLeZITIWw_3Pznek92ehbgXlp3UKdcIdZ9QhzHMYw7TYULZiyoKGl2FCXooMiSgnbE0Hu-0iYprbw-a4varp4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.41'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you might choose to engage for a number of reasons and it could be this person that's contacting you has business relationships with other people you'd like to know you. That could be it. And I'm a massive fan of scaling to the budget. It's like, okay, well we can scale it to this and it'll still be effective for you. Anything beyond that? No. But if I can be of help to you and I still receive payment for my value, that's absolutely true. And I loved what you said about have a rate sheet, even if it's not something you publish or want to make known publicly, that's a promise to yourself. And it's a reminder in these times where you might look, because look, days are busy, we have distractions, we have deadlines. We might just get stuck and think, oh no, I really want to, and now I have to think about it.</p>
<p>And energy drain, energy drain, energy drain. Do you have that rate sheet that you can pull up and go, no, this is what I do and this is how much I will do it for. If we can make this work great if not, and that's okay. And I know we've been talking lately about, it's interesting. I personally have been finding a power in saying no, that no longer interests me having to twist myself into a pretzel to accommodate something that may not serve me entirely. I'm going to take a pass on that and that's fine. You never know what that is going to free you up for around the corner.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gkC_4w-Clj-u-_-2XIQAq3ckjNuc3CSVI5WiseaPbikVT9aPnf2vC2aT_K-9QNC1h8fogqm_pGHNQVyti4sW98Z1NuA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.47'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I will say it's that leaning into the power of no and really looking out for yourself is something that we don't all start off in business with, right? Because we feel some people, you're new when you're a new entrepreneur and you almost feel like you're at the mercy of others. But really learning to take care of yourself and your business just as everybody else takes care of themselves and their business is truly empowering. I also want to make sure that we caution you that whatever budget levels you're working at, it is so crucial to have a very defined scope of work. And if a client comes to you with a small budget and you decide that you have a scope of work that can fit that, don't be afraid. First of all to say that is below what I normally do for PR work.</p>
<p>I can do this for you, but I cannot do these things for you. If you want these things, I'm happy to do them, but they cost X and quote them your rate so that they understand. It's also important to not only set the client's expectations but your own. Do not ever take on a small tiny project that's below your minimum rates, devaluing yourself doing a bunch of work by saying, well, I can grow the account 90% of the time. That's not true when somebody hires you for cheap and trust me, they know that it's a budget rate because people are not stupid as to what PR costs. Not all the time. There's too many other people out there and they may have gotten to other people and gotten quotes and then they happen upon you kind sold who's willing to give it to them on the cheap, cheap.</p>
<p>People don't pay more money. They just don't. That's almost like telling somebody who shops religiously at the dollar store, you know what? I want you now to go and pay retail prices. They're not going to do it because they're cheap. And let's face it, there are clients out there who are just cheap and they're price conscious and they are never going to pay you more money. So you will be stuck in this cycle of somebody who constantly wants to pay you on the cheap. So set your own expectations. If you take on something, fix the scope of work, stick to it, put it in writing, set the expectations about what you can actually do for that budget and don't move off of that. And if they ask you to do more, then charge them more and let them know it'll cost more.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XynNsXhfGeDKde0TTPuprJCGG_BnksXBFSl68sbHe7lz12HbKoDa1EZdzMYZ7_GLf-2lPQL9t3yrtp2BPgS1pg4wATI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=699.93'>11:39</a>):</p>
<p>Sorry, go ahead.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/M952gKHuqxEdu2oF0rZ9pzV_s4LVaSzW4bEYyGeFVNvq4KdeH9s0FhBxpJJwgZyEhABYUuZWTHqJsnCRl6YfMRzUrzY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=701.04'>11:41</a>):</p>
<p>No, I mean that's important.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Rra6O4JCFgMdpqqccNEczGm1DJu5yjLVZGgYIlOIWkW2_dSGBwC0mDKP936M6W9KfiwGwVPK4IUxkzvum_EY4mJru64?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=704.7'>11:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. There's another factor to this too. Maintaining parity within our industry. When we start lowering our prices just to meet a specific need, that's a detriment to all of us across the board, especially in this world where I'm sure many of you out there have had this have where people think, oh, I post to social media. I have ai, I can do your job, we can all this is a profession. And if you don't have your a PR and if you work more in integrated comms, no, we're not licensed like teachers. We don't have a doctor in front of our name. But it is a valuable skill laden experience season requiring profession. And one way to combat against reducing that or minimizing that is to charge what we as industry peers are worth charge what the work is worth.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DAPQ2jiR6GOlg2Kx8dBFdWU1BDxkCuBX9wiVGNwUJjdZh38TLGgt3OHhvCM5zaYKoHLQ5dHzCJ_5kVaQk5xjczkYqiY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=774.16'>12:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And I mean, here's the thing I love, love, love what you just shared because that is a good consideration. And many of us advocate for pay parity, for gender pay parity</p>
<p>Also, which is, our industry is overwhelmingly female. Think about as a whole what you do when you devalue yourself, you bring down the entire profession, as you said, we have to stop letting people believe that somehow when you hire a smaller agency that you're getting budget rates, budget pop, budget, Betty, we are not that also you said it, you hit it on the nose, people are not paying you for the task. Stop making yourselves tacticians. They are paying you for the depth and breadth of experience that you bring for the value that you offer, which is not just an hourly rate. And if I were honest over the years, I've talked to far many small business owners, n PR and out, who basically would make more money if they went to go work for Burger King because when you look at what they're doing per hour, their hourly rates, you would be better off.</p>
<p>Listen, you can go get a job at Target these days for $25 an hour. You would make more money, you would take home more pay, but you don't even realize it because you're not doing that calculation for yourself and you're undercutting yourself. You're doing so much. There are people out there, I'm just going to throw out a number, charging $2,000 a month for pr. They're doing media relations, they're writing press releases, they're writing bylines, they're managing social media, and they're meeting with the client for an hour. I want to tell you that I'm not trying to make you guys feel bad, and I'm not trying to value you, and I'm not saying that I don't want you to feel bad about the budget, but you're doing too much work for that budget. And so again, if that's, Hey, listen, if you want to charge $3,000 a month, but do you in a way that respects the value that you bring to the table, and that means the scope of work needs to fit that budget and adjust your scope of work. You're not giving them the world. And if you ever hope to grow your business and scale up and be able to have fewer clients to make more money, then you really have to think about your rate structure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MyWkBHYXyokkZHsvtARRYmN7ukGdkiMPhfGPftJWdIXfW9r3zqZPX09Ae41yBTKqs939Fl84RMf8W8UgmX-hZ44W1-Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=942.44'>15:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're at a point in the economy right now where it's a good time to take a look at that. Really, they keep dangling the carrot of interest rates going down. And I was just on a call with a client who they perceive it's going to be a good spring. So now's the perfect time. We're coming the pandemic's farther in the rear view mirror, thank goodness. And it's just an ideal time. As we do, we look out the window and the sun is shining and it's feeling a little warmer. It does give you that energy, and we just encourage you to take a look at how your prices are structured, what kind of work you're either looking for or taking on, and just make sure that you are getting the best that is due to you. And if you've appreciated this time together, please tell other people. Check out solo pr pro.com. Is the membership door still open, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j-nU2fKsYC8jDvfn-SQHmFGFPXFwHEinLBiaCKOHmVRxZC5B85NmZaafApWE9jRn041PFBGMH7Txd4FUfbo0LewDNHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1003.64'>16:43</a>):</p>
<p>The membership door is still open. And also I have kind of a sneak preview announcement today. So we are partnering up with lettuce, L-E-T-T-U-C e.co. We will have links in the show notes for a special promotional offer for our Solo PR Pro family. And we're also, stay tuned. If you're not on our email list, hop over to our site and join our email list. Keep listening to the show because we'll promote it here as well. But we are doing a special workshop with them all on S Corp. So whether you're going to start your business this year, you're at the start of your business, or you've been in business and you've been in business a million years ago and you never went the S Corp route because there's too many steps, this workshop is definitely for you. And the promotional offer is fantastic. So our partnership with them, they're doing something special for our family. So visit that landing page, we'll drop it in the show notes, and we're so excited about this and I'm happy this is the first time that I've talked about it out loud. So hey, hot off the presses.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6mPykNn-S6udT08jV9cAh9nXsdKkaxlJpoXxUGoql8WmGGq3gTYh61QZobHFtCftEmJFM0uCEn5VwTykkVhzsCdR1Wo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.65'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. That's wonderful. Well, hey, see, it's worth blah, blah. I can't even talk right now. I'm so excited. It's always worthwhile checking in with us here at That Solo Life. And until next time, thanks for joining us.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The whole point of operating as a solo PR pro or small agency is the ability to build the business that is right for you. But let's face it, there are many people out there who are only going to be comfortable with a certain budget level. In this episode, we want to help you to think creatively about when someone comes your way and they maybe don't have the budget that you desire.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Bonus: information about the exciting Solo PR Pro offer courtesy of <a href='https://lettuce.co/solo_pr'>Lettuce</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Vq-mNHWM50JxtlmRlWA3yTn98E03j2xDSkphjbMraceOnEgtNCTRRvVBIUd6U8nb6XTXzuy-9Egm_k2W_EGI5JGS5Yc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.12'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with The VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. We're here. It's another wonderful episode.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ngPC20hIn84nH_8BCW6BdCSZeP1eOtIsl1p_nCjU5H9RahnA37tftoLeW_8QGHn5wDKA1thdqBz6swSHdQ3b3lOP6g4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.47'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>We are here in the dead of winter, but thankfully here, the sun is shining today. How are you doing, Michelle?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V81ZDWW_7a_8Z1Cy0Bqk1S5Z_gRBdOPwMWX9D2ua70Ew75qKkCkjiZGGoGMJRtRNSJ_BdMeG_qMnKtgOBXIygnzA6S0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.2'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well. Sun is shining here as well in southeastern Pennsylvania, thank goodness. And what are we, I forget what the name of it is, but we're technically at the halfway point, so spring is on its way. I believe the Phillies equipment truck is leaving for Clearwater today for spring training.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxokZan5MLBA2RUePmmXmc7VGaBsrEtXCJNUNw60typgouldXTTcbsLyJ12J-NyZRkUUnKe4J4psrP6UblBsAR5nDkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.4'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>That’s nice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aTMkI58A70aJYW0gSv8NZlHiCzaea6ZNgc9zLIlR-hJCZC4mKC51RdcdEKntKmnugYCJlAXUWr8v3J7M5O3b8a0RzhU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.72'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>We had Phil doing his thing a couple weeks ago and that's all well and good. He predicted in early spring. But the true mark for us, Philly people is when the truck leaves baseball's on its way,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mt8s8wGE8CjaSBQBhMtrYz3VbQ_pnFoY-Ng72SqD6DWJY6OD71urmO55gWerUZqnjyNVH3ToinO_BB2NoeGKdA6Ukfk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=68.55'>01:08</a>):</p>
<p>Baseball is on its way. And you know what? That is good news for all of us because we look forward to spring the new season with hopefully some milder weather and longer days. So that's good. Yay. Baseball.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8UyRP-pRPpx0-ivfdzNJ2xJRXd13apn5SXhmimANGD99WEHdzkOb1h55D4yrDYYRamVmTmhtZqJtkZ3LA4pi30J674w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.92'>01:23</a>):</p>
<p>That’s good. It's good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a3k00r6uj34x3SjfIkWgC5L79hg00235R8KnOI54D7BF0R2g6BE47aX_xHcxUcVQjB86hN8hQxf5zxltW_2_Lz34g20?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=85.44'>01:25</a>):</p>
<p>Right. The start of our baseball season is typically a bit nippy, sometimes snowy, but it's okay because we know that when baseball starts up, spring is on the way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jCPu6r332jhEIFDHAFftY9mUDG14hUCBitDaOvVU-Pb54VUbt8y3GrGq21uLigrdOoobiN8lutPLTC-WpIdmXCYzIoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.89'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, and we'll be complaining about the heat soon enough. But when I think of spring, I think of opportunity and that's a bit of what we're going to talk about today because sometimes you're presented with client work, a client who has, it sounds like it's going to be a great project to work on. You really want to help them because if PR people, most of us, we love to just help people, but we also need to make money and sometimes the budget's not the best fit. So we're just going to chat about how you maneuver that, how you might make that work for you, or how you just might say maybe next time.</p>
<p>I know we have often had those situations where, and I know it's crossed my path as well, where you'll be presented with a budget that's just like, it's just a no, it's a non-starter. You'll have those $500 tire kickers who say, well, my budget's very small. I either don’t know what it's, or well, last time we had $500. And you think, no, first of all, we recommend, unless God forbid, unless you have an electric bill that's overdue, don't do that to yourself. And secondly, my point of view with that is always I can't do the job you need for that low of a budget. So you're better off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/onTGYR0jjm1sJH43-Iy60JihLJGOZklFUe9ExcTJD6WD5pqHTjZ6k9xn2S63Cmscksz63rPyuDdGqJ3qsMPx4ESdEaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=188.11'>03:08</a>):</p>
<p>And I think one of the things that we want to make sure that we do on this show is we want to always be upbeat, positive and support you in having the business that you want to have. And so I want to be clear that we are never about hustle culture or you have to want to be a millionaire. That is not us at all because we want you to be happy and that definition of happiness is different for all of us, but we also want you to value the work you do and the expertise that you bring to the table. But let's face it, there are many people out there who are only going to be comfortable with a certain budget level. So we want to help you to think creatively about when someone comes your way and they maybe don't have the budget that you desire.</p>
<p>Are there creative things that you can do without selling yourself short? So perfect example, $500 of course, please don't be out there running PR campaigns for $500, but can you consult with the client? Can you do an hour long conversation and provide some recommendations? That doesn't mean that those recommendations are then followed by some big PowerPoint or big report. They would have to pay for that. But is that something that you can offer them for a $500 budget? If somebody has a couple thousand dollars, can you write a press release for them and say, listen, I can't really pitch for this amount, but here's something that I can do. So it's okay. I don't want anyone to feel bad when you are just wanting to take projects that might be easy for you to do, but do it within. The one thing that we always preach in Solo PR Pro is that you should never negotiate your rate.</p>
<p>Whatever your minimum rates are, don't negotiate those, but you can negotiate a scope of work. So yes, even within a very small budget, sometimes there are things that you can do. Now, these are individual decisions. What I highly recommend is that you have your own rate sheet, and it doesn't have to even be shared publicly, but putting something in writing, having a typed rate sheet, maybe you post it in your office somewhere or have it on your computer of your minimum project budget, of your minimum hourly. What is your hourly rate? Knowing that and having it written down and designing your business around those things. User rate calculators, solo PR pro has resources. There are lots of rate calculators out on the web. MBO partners has one that you can utilize so that you're factoring in your overhead expenses. We forget about that. Remember, you've got to pay taxes, you've got to buy business insurance, you have to take care of your entity, you need to have savings for your business, you need to pay yourself all of those things.</p>
<p>Sometimes people are not charging enough to really allow them to live. You are putting yourself in a hole. So having what you need to live and what you need to pay your bills and take care of your business written down, gives you those boundaries. And then you can make decisions smartly when people come to you with a lower budget about, okay, what can I really do for that? If anything? And if you cannot help them, that's okay too. It's okay to say no, but we wanted to address this because again, we talk a lot about upping your budget and how to sell yourself into those bigger accounts, but we don't often talk about is there something that you really can do with small budgets and small projects? And yes, the answer is absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yE5oGwXLeZITIWw_3Pznek92ehbgXlp3UKdcIdZ9QhzHMYw7TYULZiyoKGl2FCXooMiSgnbE0Hu-0iYprbw-a4varp4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.41'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you might choose to engage for a number of reasons and it could be this person that's contacting you has business relationships with other people you'd like to know you. That could be it. And I'm a massive fan of scaling to the budget. It's like, okay, well we can scale it to this and it'll still be effective for you. Anything beyond that? No. But if I can be of help to you and I still receive payment for my value, that's absolutely true. And I loved what you said about have a rate sheet, even if it's not something you publish or want to make known publicly, that's a promise to yourself. And it's a reminder in these times where you might look, because look, days are busy, we have distractions, we have deadlines. We might just get stuck and think, oh no, I really want to, and now I have to think about it.</p>
<p>And energy drain, energy drain, energy drain. Do you have that rate sheet that you can pull up and go, no, this is what I do and this is how much I will do it for. If we can make this work great if not, and that's okay. And I know we've been talking lately about, it's interesting. I personally have been finding a power in saying no, that no longer interests me having to twist myself into a pretzel to accommodate something that may not serve me entirely. I'm going to take a pass on that and that's fine. You never know what that is going to free you up for around the corner.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gkC_4w-Clj-u-_-2XIQAq3ckjNuc3CSVI5WiseaPbikVT9aPnf2vC2aT_K-9QNC1h8fogqm_pGHNQVyti4sW98Z1NuA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.47'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I will say it's that leaning into the power of no and really looking out for yourself is something that we don't all start off in business with, right? Because we feel some people, you're new when you're a new entrepreneur and you almost feel like you're at the mercy of others. But really learning to take care of yourself and your business just as everybody else takes care of themselves and their business is truly empowering. I also want to make sure that we caution you that whatever budget levels you're working at, it is so crucial to have a very defined scope of work. And if a client comes to you with a small budget and you decide that you have a scope of work that can fit that, don't be afraid. First of all to say that is below what I normally do for PR work.</p>
<p>I can do this for you, but I cannot do these things for you. If you want these things, I'm happy to do them, but they cost X and quote them your rate so that they understand. It's also important to not only set the client's expectations but your own. Do not ever take on a small tiny project that's below your minimum rates, devaluing yourself doing a bunch of work by saying, well, I can grow the account 90% of the time. That's not true when somebody hires you for cheap and trust me, they know that it's a budget rate because people are not stupid as to what PR costs. Not all the time. There's too many other people out there and they may have gotten to other people and gotten quotes and then they happen upon you kind sold who's willing to give it to them on the cheap, cheap.</p>
<p>People don't pay more money. They just don't. That's almost like telling somebody who shops religiously at the dollar store, you know what? I want you now to go and pay retail prices. They're not going to do it because they're cheap. And let's face it, there are clients out there who are just cheap and they're price conscious and they are never going to pay you more money. So you will be stuck in this cycle of somebody who constantly wants to pay you on the cheap. So set your own expectations. If you take on something, fix the scope of work, stick to it, put it in writing, set the expectations about what you can actually do for that budget and don't move off of that. And if they ask you to do more, then charge them more and let them know it'll cost more.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XynNsXhfGeDKde0TTPuprJCGG_BnksXBFSl68sbHe7lz12HbKoDa1EZdzMYZ7_GLf-2lPQL9t3yrtp2BPgS1pg4wATI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=699.93'>11:39</a>):</p>
<p>Sorry, go ahead.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/M952gKHuqxEdu2oF0rZ9pzV_s4LVaSzW4bEYyGeFVNvq4KdeH9s0FhBxpJJwgZyEhABYUuZWTHqJsnCRl6YfMRzUrzY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=701.04'>11:41</a>):</p>
<p>No, I mean that's important.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Rra6O4JCFgMdpqqccNEczGm1DJu5yjLVZGgYIlOIWkW2_dSGBwC0mDKP936M6W9KfiwGwVPK4IUxkzvum_EY4mJru64?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=704.7'>11:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. There's another factor to this too. Maintaining parity within our industry. When we start lowering our prices just to meet a specific need, that's a detriment to all of us across the board, especially in this world where I'm sure many of you out there have had this have where people think, oh, I post to social media. I have ai, I can do your job, we can all this is a profession. And if you don't have your a PR and if you work more in integrated comms, no, we're not licensed like teachers. We don't have a doctor in front of our name. But it is a valuable skill laden experience season requiring profession. And one way to combat against reducing that or minimizing that is to charge what we as industry peers are worth charge what the work is worth.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DAPQ2jiR6GOlg2Kx8dBFdWU1BDxkCuBX9wiVGNwUJjdZh38TLGgt3OHhvCM5zaYKoHLQ5dHzCJ_5kVaQk5xjczkYqiY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=774.16'>12:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And I mean, here's the thing I love, love, love what you just shared because that is a good consideration. And many of us advocate for pay parity, for gender pay parity</p>
<p>Also, which is, our industry is overwhelmingly female. Think about as a whole what you do when you devalue yourself, you bring down the entire profession, as you said, we have to stop letting people believe that somehow when you hire a smaller agency that you're getting budget rates, budget pop, budget, Betty, we are not that also you said it, you hit it on the nose, people are not paying you for the task. Stop making yourselves tacticians. They are paying you for the depth and breadth of experience that you bring for the value that you offer, which is not just an hourly rate. And if I were honest over the years, I've talked to far many small business owners, n PR and out, who basically would make more money if they went to go work for Burger King because when you look at what they're doing per hour, their hourly rates, you would be better off.</p>
<p>Listen, you can go get a job at Target these days for $25 an hour. You would make more money, you would take home more pay, but you don't even realize it because you're not doing that calculation for yourself and you're undercutting yourself. You're doing so much. There are people out there, I'm just going to throw out a number, charging $2,000 a month for pr. They're doing media relations, they're writing press releases, they're writing bylines, they're managing social media, and they're meeting with the client for an hour. I want to tell you that I'm not trying to make you guys feel bad, and I'm not trying to value you, and I'm not saying that I don't want you to feel bad about the budget, but you're doing too much work for that budget. And so again, if that's, Hey, listen, if you want to charge $3,000 a month, but do you in a way that respects the value that you bring to the table, and that means the scope of work needs to fit that budget and adjust your scope of work. You're not giving them the world. And if you ever hope to grow your business and scale up and be able to have fewer clients to make more money, then you really have to think about your rate structure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MyWkBHYXyokkZHsvtARRYmN7ukGdkiMPhfGPftJWdIXfW9r3zqZPX09Ae41yBTKqs939Fl84RMf8W8UgmX-hZ44W1-Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=942.44'>15:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're at a point in the economy right now where it's a good time to take a look at that. Really, they keep dangling the carrot of interest rates going down. And I was just on a call with a client who they perceive it's going to be a good spring. So now's the perfect time. We're coming the pandemic's farther in the rear view mirror, thank goodness. And it's just an ideal time. As we do, we look out the window and the sun is shining and it's feeling a little warmer. It does give you that energy, and we just encourage you to take a look at how your prices are structured, what kind of work you're either looking for or taking on, and just make sure that you are getting the best that is due to you. And if you've appreciated this time together, please tell other people. Check out solo pr pro.com. Is the membership door still open, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j-nU2fKsYC8jDvfn-SQHmFGFPXFwHEinLBiaCKOHmVRxZC5B85NmZaafApWE9jRn041PFBGMH7Txd4FUfbo0LewDNHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1003.64'>16:43</a>):</p>
<p>The membership door is still open. And also I have kind of a sneak preview announcement today. So we are partnering up with lettuce, L-E-T-T-U-C e.co. We will have links in the show notes for a special promotional offer for our Solo PR Pro family. And we're also, stay tuned. If you're not on our email list, hop over to our site and join our email list. Keep listening to the show because we'll promote it here as well. But we are doing a special workshop with them all on S Corp. So whether you're going to start your business this year, you're at the start of your business, or you've been in business and you've been in business a million years ago and you never went the S Corp route because there's too many steps, this workshop is definitely for you. And the promotional offer is fantastic. So our partnership with them, they're doing something special for our family. So visit that landing page, we'll drop it in the show notes, and we're so excited about this and I'm happy this is the first time that I've talked about it out loud. So hey, hot off the presses.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6mPykNn-S6udT08jV9cAh9nXsdKkaxlJpoXxUGoql8WmGGq3gTYh61QZobHFtCftEmJFM0uCEn5VwTykkVhzsCdR1Wo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.65'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. That's wonderful. Well, hey, see, it's worth blah, blah. I can't even talk right now. I'm so excited. It's always worthwhile checking in with us here at That Solo Life. And until next time, thanks for joining us.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with The VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. We're here. It's another wonderful episode.
Karen Swim, APR (00:22):
We are here in the dead of winter, but thankfully here, the sun is shining today. How are you doing, Michelle?
Michelle Kane (00:31):
I'm doing well. Sun is shining here as well in southeastern Pennsylvania, thank goodness. And what are we, I forget what the name of it is, but we're technically at the halfway point, so spring is on its way. I believe the Phillies equipment truck is leaving for Clearwater today for spring training.
Karen Swim, APR (00:53):
That’s nice.
Michelle Kane (00:54):
We had Phil doing his thing a couple weeks ago and that's all well and good. He predicted in early spring. But the true mark for us, Philly people is when the truck leaves baseball's on its way,
Karen Swim, APR (01:08):
Baseball is on its way. And you know what? That is good news for all of us because we look forward to spring the new season with hopefully some milder weather and longer days. So that's good. Yay. Baseball.
Michelle Kane (01:23):
That’s good. It's good.
Karen Swim, APR (01:25):
Right. The start of our baseball season is typically a bit nippy, sometimes snowy, but it's okay because we know that when baseball starts up, spring is on the way.
Michelle Kane (01:37):
Yes, and we'll be complaining about the heat soon enough. But when I think of spring, I think of opportunity and that's a bit of what we're going to talk about today because sometimes you're presented with client work, a client who has, it sounds like it's going to be a great project to work on. You really want to help them because if PR people, most of us, we love to just help people, but we also need to make money and sometimes the budget's not the best fit. So we're just going to chat about how you maneuver that, how you might make that work for you, or how you just might say maybe next time.
I know we have often had those situations where, and I know it's crossed my path as well, where you'll be presented with a budget that's just like, it's just a no, it's a non-starter. You'll have those $500 tire kickers who say, well, my budget's very small. I either don’t know what it's, or well, last time we had $500. And you think, no, first of all, we recommend, unless God forbid, unless you have an electric bill that's overdue, don't do that to yourself. And secondly, my point of view with that is always I can't do the job you need for that low of a budget. So you're better off.
Karen Swim, APR (03:08):
And I think one of the things that we want to make sure that we do on this show is we want to always be upbeat, positive and support you in having the business that you want to have. And so I want to be clear that we are never about hustle culture or you have to want to be a millionaire. That is not us at all because we want you to be happy and that definition of happiness is different for all of us, but we also want you to value the work you do and the expertise that you bring to the table. But let's face it, there are many people out there who are only going to be comfortable with a certain budget level. So we want to help you to think creatively about when someone comes your way and they maybe don't have the budget that you desire.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As a solo PR pro or small agency, is it ever a good idea to outsource your sales? It depends. In this episode we talk about how there is no right or wrong answer, only the answer that works for you and your business.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vutE2t3I3dBplpeQpd8_pA5urZY3CKkzmxcIYAIEKho4Z93ZDRNpkgmH3qSK93s084I_pquyl9Q5gBCOxd2evidTXYM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you today, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/94elZXwDBRSxNLewRW_X78aPnj6Zy3jL28FZayO1c2_HE7VP7jp6RjgULrYe0BSt8KSjoQPbe4ujsH8wTe7JbLXmU2w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.75'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I am a little bit cold, a little bit sad because as we are recording this, we now know that the Detroit Lions will not be in the Super Bowl this year, but other than that, life is good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cE4srX0MDJUVcfUz10wGPd7FR18lYTs7XYqvcvFdxEy3LGED36EMqyQE-xJRkeaZLC0SmSKuHLN5O3sxIo67r_gKXgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.42'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. I'm so sorry you can join. The ranks of the football season is over for us. It's never fun, especially the Lions had such a great run this year. My gosh, I was hoping they would get there. Just to shake things up a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1q2ruqf8194XuDL07yVi8Ewo1oczBFWS19_BF2FaTWirc8L0igksOigagC1CbY4hoiNRMzf9Un5Z7VSgrGP_Ad8nbM8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.16'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>I had hope too, for the first time since I've lived in Michigan, I actually had hope that our football team would be in the Super Bowl. I'd never had hope before if I'm being completely honest, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Km57s1Hn2wkgbXXgknoASvgmNgc0bSiye_RePntTXy3Nbw7Hbf702Nx6F1aLZ0nzQDWTxhvN0J5BoIScm7kwBx02cks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.58'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w6i0z6-cTgTxIrQQtkww1IKLoylqDUjxSjrRYV7pBlBFFdaMjXXXFzKNk0iYpsa-UqYuS-dC4vg4eu7sPqDUZe3Yo8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.92'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>That doesn't, what are you going to do</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YfC6PH5GkbylKHR0Cu6rNKqxCBWaaCoMgOANxOnIA6-5iaUjpYuDHv4e0niOnngyUJc0cY5hCWT2-JOhDXZSHVT_IOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.8'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>That makes it hurt a little more? So I get that. Totally get that. Anyway, but today we'll focus on bright, shiny new things. Actually, today we're going to talk about something that's been bopping around in our thoughts for a while. Should you outsource your sales for your solo business? Sometimes you think, huh, I'm a solo. What does that entail? Why would I want to do that? But at the same time, I don't know about you, but last time I had my resume, updated my resume like an overhaul. I had someone else do it, I hired it out. Sometimes talking about yourself and selling yourself is far more difficult than selling your clients. I remember getting the product, the resume back and reading it and thinking, who is this person? I did that,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ngF1FXprKj9e0-ie2wnYYCExPLlcbhuaErJYx2-PpAPUKfEhj8KRSLLPk9UuPoUFGMnxKLNpQ7WsaqR2nHdjdsatG58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.02'>02:02</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that's why I can see the appeal of all of these new agencies that have popped up that want to do the sales process for you, because this is a very, very common pain point for solos. I mean, very common where everyone is like, how do I bring on business? And if you did not come from a traditional agency where business development is required as part of your role, then it can be very uncomfortable to figure this out. You don't really know how to sell and people equate sales with, here's what I see. I was in sales and I manage sales teams. So when you say the word sell to many people, they instantly think that it somehow means overcoming someone's will. So it feels like force process of overcoming someone's will to get what you want. That is not what sales is at all.</p>
<p>It really isn't. You're not forcing someone to choose you. You are talking to people who have problems and to gather you're collaboratively coming up with a solution. Sometimes that solution isn't you. That's a part of the sales process. Sometimes it is something that you actually can solve. And so the key is to find the people that have the problems that you actually can solve. So there's firms out there, and I get it. I get the appeal and I understand why there's so many firms that are now in this space. Part of it is because many people are trying to find other avenues for PR careers as they're transitioning out of PR because of the changing landscape. And some people are very good at the sales process, they're great at discovery, they're great at having these sales conversations, and for other people, it's not their natural talent. But is it a good idea? And if so, when is it a good idea?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Y5g94Jl7dJ6g6VsqTNovV0lkobcjvb20lspr8HX9c3UMtqL2dHDHazjgQGIPYnl55Gw-AnZElYeApmje3h-yxn_AtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.62'>04:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, even as you're giving all these pros and cons, I often, my first question would be, okay, so if I hire someone to do outsourcing my sales because I am a solo or even a smaller shop, even if it's a micro agency doing this, is the prospect going to feel like, well, this is a little top heavy. Is this going to affect your pricing? Is it going to feel like a bait and switch? I don't know. I think it would probably work best for a very specific business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MLeQT-nqum30MDIfRRCDNwEih6uzhstHH8HCN7g0LceL0arvlovhLgG2Q_ySBhQMNAtAjlsL4Ct5raAI_YF8A-GXiwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.25'>04:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so here's where I land on it. When you think about the sales function within a large organization, typically the salespeople are employees of your company, so they are integrated into your brand. And so when they're selling, they're not selling something that's a part from them. This is a company that they have a connection with that they're a part of, so they're a part of your brand. I do think that there's this principle in sales that people buy from people that they know, like trust.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YHouygfNLGhNjaG9VcfyqOjwUAfTtx0MidBdSib2gZpHoeQ34-guwwmkHoSClqC8GuTXA8aUQa3mJYJeap0Y1O79NYA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.63'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EFuneGItni6T5hVTqS_p3JEzwNQCrd9oANXXR6aCRu0mPOpnNQ3bg5IzZKmR3hEB8tFQGcvlnK64UFKwIdQ-cKiOq6M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.14'>05:23</a>):</p>
<p>So when you bring in a third party company, they're trying to establish no and trust for you and they're removed. And also, remember, a lot of these companies, here's the caution, they're not just selling you. And so if you're in an agreement with them to get a percentage, that doesn't mean that they're going to put you forth and that they are acting on only your behalf. They're just selling and they're just trying to place and match, make a PR agency to a client. So it's not a one-to-one agreement where this is your outsource sales team. Now, there are people that you can hire as an outsource salesperson, but in my viewpoint, there are a couple of cautions. And I'm not saying that it will never work. I would never say that. And we always want to be mindful about not being so locked into tradition that we're not open to change.</p>
<p>But in my viewpoint, you never ever go wrong when you manage sales in your company, and if you are growing a bigger agency, even your job really should be developing business. You take yourself not out of the sales process, but out of the day-to-day, tactical stuff, that's what you outsource. But business development you keep, this is your company. No one can tell your story like you. And unlike some other businesses, we're not selling widgets. This is very much a service business and pr, the way that it's purchased has not changed that much, except when you're talking billion dollar budgets where they're hiring big global agencies and they're putting out feelers. But even in that process, if we really dig down into it, we know that often with those big, huge million dollar budgets, they're inviting people that they know trust to bid on the business.</p>
<p>So it's still a handful of firms. It's not just a big cattle call. Yes, RFPs happen, but those have to be winnable for you to even participate in that process. So from my viewpoint, you never go wrong by taking on that function and outsourcing something else. But if you're going to go this route, I would say there are a couple things that you need to be cautious about. You need to really look at the agreement that you're entering into for not only the length of time, the process that they're going to utilize to sell on your behalf. The percentage that you'll have to give up, is it a flat rate payment? Is it an ongoing percentage of your fee? You have to understand confidentiality and how much you're disclosing to this firm in order for them to be able to sell you. So again, if they're just out there and they're selling everybody, including your clients, because this has happened with some outsourced firms where they're supposed to be selling for you, and then they're offering up your clients on behalf of other agencies, that's not a good situation. So I would say I would have legal counsel go over any agreement that I was planning to enter into and make sure that you're not trapping yourself in something that's going to work against you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QqctaZZon7s-caUMEbUCU-vFuVNKPF_9KdzUz-YVfh6o1XeTjhJATbXQeYtnLeftBy-FzT9my66ZMsuonerBKEexl7s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.32'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>And you know what? If you hadn't outlined all those things just now that's making me tired and thinking I'll just do it myself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iU6F1ym4LRLtt_msUXDssdz_R1h60_kTUs8_9xCbSeb4ghjVNaB86RHv1uxJTwHtX9jNATYHR4Q7WwgYZGun-YQ4eHI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.92'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>You can learn how to develop business. That's the thing. You don't have to be a quote salesperson to learn how to develop business for yourself. It's getting over that fear and understanding and having some kind of a process that is your natural skillset. So for example, networking may be your jammed, you're good at it, you're comfortable doing that, do that, but do it consistently because business development is not something that should happen when the house is on fire. It needs to happen on an ongoing basis. So you need to have structures in place that you constantly do. And outsourcing sales has to make financial sense for your company. So if you are somebody that only needs five accounts that are $20,000 a month, it might not be worth it to outsource your sales. But if you're really trying to build a larger agency, again, I would say, why don't you outsource other things that are going to get you bang for your buck? Because the more you free up your time to lead strategy to develop your people and to develop business, that's going to put the money in your pocket, not outsourcing the sales function. I mean, I think sometimes when we start our own business, we forget that at some point you're going to have to let go of some things if you want to grow.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s73bfwusqzY435HliXK6G-AduPBXnAkWju1prMNbCYWdvjUu5w7-SnWGqK8JG15g2TrTFxejAlmQj5lRbK7nY1j_Tio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=623.62'>10:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_g2SXBXirbgyiipVN65wCEjnwkz3amEm-ahypW-oo9L6ZEJiakn72ercWAzdYp2rZ1fM8CYnkQc5nnXsIoONONptRLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.29'>10:25</a>):</p>
<p>It just is what it is. It doesn't mean that you have to, if doing the work is like that is where your heart lies and that's what makes you happy and excited about going to work every day and you're happy with your income, then you won't have to outsource anything. But if you ever want to get past that point to where you're bringing in more income, you're going to have to let go, and you're going to have to give up control of some things. But business development should not be that thing, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x2gtoUjHxO_qqHwZn0cxpriBR1W5BBqBhKHwd9GSln6LAaYyKLfzGLnaNPFSJCNs_Za5CLShBnzgxWHzPVJWw0uLGj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.74'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>No, I couldn't agree more because all business is relationship, and people want to know who they're doing business with, and if they choose to do business with you, it's because of you. Not that you're holding hands 24/7 and overdelivering, but they want to know who they're doing business with. And I think, look, unless I'm like LeBron James and I have an agent, to me it almost pings of, oh, I'm hiring an agent and well, who am I? No one that's for, well, for the most part known entities, right? It's not for unknowns. And if people want to know how I'm doing business, they want to know how I work, I'm the one that should be cultivating it, and I couldn't agree more. If you want to outsource things, it's the day to day, and it's really, it comes down to, and this goes for any businesses.</p>
<p>I've had this conversation with clients who are solos in other arenas when they're struggling with scaling, and it's like, look, what kind of work do you want to do? Do you want to just dig in and do the work or do you want to be growing this to be a larger concern? So you have to decide where you want to be and where you want to go. And in that case, this might be for you, but I think just for generally speaking, for the solos of the world, I think it just kind of goes against the structure that works for us.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m4L0I4ZzHCE3mbuEHworTysYWTNBwxZ4L3ZkjlDX-Q1P67gK3OrbwEazDc3-gaqFwlD2l2OqJRm8yFdIsPPs_LQku6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=744.37'>12:24</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And I mean, here's the other thing too. The sales cycle, it is typically long. It's not like you're going to hire somebody and boom, boom, that business is going to come rolling in. I will say maybe different than somebody who completes the whole sale cycle. Maybe you enter into relationships, referral relationships, or maybe it's a matchmaker service. But again, I say look at those and don't believe that it's going to be a magic fix, but you want to make sure that you understand all of the terms and make sure that it's going to be worth your time because I know that that also feels like such a relief if you just get leads and it's a matchmaker type service, that could be great. And I agree. When you're getting leads from verifiable sources, that's beautiful. But then in your local area, there may be groups that already do that.</p>
<p>I know of some groups in different cities that it's basically a community of people and they refer business to each other within the group. If they don't have the skillset within the group, then group members will go outside to their broader network. That's a beautiful thing. It doesn't cost anything. There's no fee for entry. It's just these people that have formed a relationship with one another, much like the solo prs have done with each other that are referring business to one another. Sometimes maybe you have, we have venture capitalists that we have relationships with, and we get leads from them. You can develop your own lead source.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KjJCpeCu-EFpAm4nVZVcr7w3c76Uf2EvQ_D_bM1CuTDHfof7GaflN8OmYy7GR8aZmqbL2TLmgw1cDTrEI680o_yfYdY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=853.3'>14:13</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hxztyptTJVpP5O-PDtGThqtuq6UR8xVnH5OkXRNu0vlR29APOGDGedqOTKeiQj9cRcqH1otWCyeQqDmLajW3Qmz4224?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=854.98'>14:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you really can do that. And Michelle, you hit the nail on the head. It's relationship. What I have found when selling new business is that people don't just want to understand your capabilities. They want to understand how you think and how you do business. That's something that's not always on paper. It's in those conversations that you have with people, the things that are in between the spaces of here's what we're able to do, here's who we've done it for.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j6EqX82gr_waxoxr2pA9Hy-1K4C6taFjnturn_fBWNJ_lPVMFoCn3cFBM6rqgJbpF0ohZSI0iRoSnqdJhnZ1_DEmIBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.07'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And it even comes up with just try to be helpful. I love making connections that have absolutely no benefit to me. If I see, oh, hey, you know what? This person will be fantastic for what you're looking for, and I hope it works out. That's great. Just sprinkle that goodness around. But that also speaks to the way you do business and to who you are and to just have some third party cold calling. Because look, we get these emails and what do we do? We delete them. I had one this morning where it said, just reply, no thanks. I'm like, no, that's, that's seven too many keystrokes for me. I'm just going to hit delete.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vrRLJYnLSCQHoBWktZGxJQUON1xgnPUR44dQcWsCVfY4RLFfTnTsWIhg53-nhwyCjYoK8eFCWDiFTTjaS240GNIZOiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=929.63'>15:29</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I love the templates that now force you to unsubscribe. I never asked to subscribe. You randomly grab my name from the internet, are emailing me and then saying, this is the final time that you're going email me. And then you lie and you email me again, and then I have to unsubscribe from your emails that I never asked for. Nope. I won't be doing that. Thank you. I'll however, report it a spam and get you blocked. So I'll do you that favor. But yeah, and I'm not, let me be clear. There are some legitimate PR sales agencies out there. I don't want to just throw shade on all of them. I'm just not a fan of that business model for the type of work that we do, even if it's by former PR people, because there's a disconnect between who they are and really positioning yourself, your brand to potential clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/juPGlkvidNy-RVd_Jc-9Lwq-xFwJJrlYWtexPU8HuI1C0dBmXBXeT0CxU0XRZwkiHnmG8FF6N-h6HYWlZm36x06HJYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=994.46'>16:34</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. And something you said earlier, worth your time, your time is worth something. And just consider the time you would spend getting something like that going for potential payoff. Is it worth it where you could really be spending the time doing that on your own, work, LinkedIn, go to the networking things both in person, and there are still some virtual things that you can pop into. And as we know, building business, it's a slow burn. It takes easily six months, two years even. I've served on certain committees for years. Is it partly to hopefully build business? Yeah, that can't be my only reason, because that's not realistic. It took about, I don't know, six or seven years until one of those committee slots turned into really good business. Timing has to be right. Need has to be right. But you know what? When they needed someone, thankfully I was the first person they thought of.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2SgWecfgo1ZqnPuhrziWrxBLPzE7CmX-4il9OSBZmQmwGXgW1PAEhoy4BUbyP_cvx24dp09sPzZjWPmvF4Ol2_I2zBU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1064.45'>17:44</a>):</p>
<p>And I would say for solos, remind people pretty frequently it'll feel like too much for you, but remind people what you do. We don't do that. It's interesting. I was on threads last week and this amazing woman just said, Hey, this is what I do and I'm looking to be a guest on podcast. And she just stated her value proposition and her comments were flooded with people, and then she was like, okay, here's how to reach me. So just by reminding people like, Hey, I'm here. We're connected. This is what I do. And she was bold about it. I think that solos could use a bit of that confidence. Don't assume that just because you're on LinkedIn and you're sharing articles or you're on social media or you have a website or even because you have a client that is working with you, that they remember everything that you do and can offer or that you want business, you have to open up your mouth and remind people, including your clients. So periodically, even if you've been serving a client for five years, you need to say, Hey, I have an open slot. Do you know anybody who could use X, Y, Z? Would you mind making an introduction? Do not be afraid to share your areas of expertise. And don't forget that we're bombarded with so much information that people may not readily recall everything that you offer or even know that you're in the market for new business. So you have to speak up.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/geURf7SJ2-so0RdbJN2spEk7ZJb8OQo_lTvbB9yVpY94-5Rn61yL854o6XpmbgcjgzNAa69kKCpeN3eLuCoPYZmDyS0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1155.87'>19:15</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. Well, we hope this time together has been beneficial, especially if you've been receiving these inquiries and wondering, gosh, I don't know. Should I outsource sales? So I know Karen's offered some amazing advice, and at the end of the day, you need to do what's right for you. And we know that in your gut what that is. So if you got value from this, please share it around. Check us out  at solopro.com. I believe Karen is the window to membership still open.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ihrNipU_7qFJ3e6XGLu0ih1mNUgRRToKYMHAVStWw6uOf5P0yEI7kZ2Mhp3bbCMkbBFP-oNnzt6eq6ZzsUqTZGn7z6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1187.13'>19:47</a>):</p>
<p>It is!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/akLyKLQ6d-NqMq-3-zaXTCxa-wV9YAFWEkQUqeJktuYVDDEQeaoaSvKpQXOEPGFd71hUkLsN-S8nKapU2eUGyCCRBwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1188.57'>19:48</a>):</p>
<p>Excellent. So if you want to join our incredible community, that would be amazing. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a solo PR pro or small agency, is it ever a good idea to outsource your sales? It depends. In this episode we talk about how there is no right or wrong answer, only the answer that works for you and your business.</p>
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<p> Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vutE2t3I3dBplpeQpd8_pA5urZY3CKkzmxcIYAIEKho4Z93ZDRNpkgmH3qSK93s084I_pquyl9Q5gBCOxd2evidTXYM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.36'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you today, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/94elZXwDBRSxNLewRW_X78aPnj6Zy3jL28FZayO1c2_HE7VP7jp6RjgULrYe0BSt8KSjoQPbe4ujsH8wTe7JbLXmU2w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.75'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I am a little bit cold, a little bit sad because as we are recording this, we now know that the Detroit Lions will not be in the Super Bowl this year, but other than that, life is good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cE4srX0MDJUVcfUz10wGPd7FR18lYTs7XYqvcvFdxEy3LGED36EMqyQE-xJRkeaZLC0SmSKuHLN5O3sxIo67r_gKXgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.42'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. I'm so sorry you can join. The ranks of the football season is over for us. It's never fun, especially the Lions had such a great run this year. My gosh, I was hoping they would get there. Just to shake things up a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1q2ruqf8194XuDL07yVi8Ewo1oczBFWS19_BF2FaTWirc8L0igksOigagC1CbY4hoiNRMzf9Un5Z7VSgrGP_Ad8nbM8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.16'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>I had hope too, for the first time since I've lived in Michigan, I actually had hope that our football team would be in the Super Bowl. I'd never had hope before if I'm being completely honest, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Km57s1Hn2wkgbXXgknoASvgmNgc0bSiye_RePntTXy3Nbw7Hbf702Nx6F1aLZ0nzQDWTxhvN0J5BoIScm7kwBx02cks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.58'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w6i0z6-cTgTxIrQQtkww1IKLoylqDUjxSjrRYV7pBlBFFdaMjXXXFzKNk0iYpsa-UqYuS-dC4vg4eu7sPqDUZe3Yo8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.92'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>That doesn't, what are you going to do</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YfC6PH5GkbylKHR0Cu6rNKqxCBWaaCoMgOANxOnIA6-5iaUjpYuDHv4e0niOnngyUJc0cY5hCWT2-JOhDXZSHVT_IOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.8'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>That makes it hurt a little more? So I get that. Totally get that. Anyway, but today we'll focus on bright, shiny new things. Actually, today we're going to talk about something that's been bopping around in our thoughts for a while. Should you outsource your sales for your solo business? Sometimes you think, huh, I'm a solo. What does that entail? Why would I want to do that? But at the same time, I don't know about you, but last time I had my resume, updated my resume like an overhaul. I had someone else do it, I hired it out. Sometimes talking about yourself and selling yourself is far more difficult than selling your clients. I remember getting the product, the resume back and reading it and thinking, who is this person? I did that,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ngF1FXprKj9e0-ie2wnYYCExPLlcbhuaErJYx2-PpAPUKfEhj8KRSLLPk9UuPoUFGMnxKLNpQ7WsaqR2nHdjdsatG58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.02'>02:02</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that's why I can see the appeal of all of these new agencies that have popped up that want to do the sales process for you, because this is a very, very common pain point for solos. I mean, very common where everyone is like, how do I bring on business? And if you did not come from a traditional agency where business development is required as part of your role, then it can be very uncomfortable to figure this out. You don't really know how to sell and people equate sales with, here's what I see. I was in sales and I manage sales teams. So when you say the word sell to many people, they instantly think that it somehow means overcoming someone's will. So it feels like force process of overcoming someone's will to get what you want. That is not what sales is at all.</p>
<p>It really isn't. You're not forcing someone to choose you. You are talking to people who have problems and to gather you're collaboratively coming up with a solution. Sometimes that solution isn't you. That's a part of the sales process. Sometimes it is something that you actually can solve. And so the key is to find the people that have the problems that you actually can solve. So there's firms out there, and I get it. I get the appeal and I understand why there's so many firms that are now in this space. Part of it is because many people are trying to find other avenues for PR careers as they're transitioning out of PR because of the changing landscape. And some people are very good at the sales process, they're great at discovery, they're great at having these sales conversations, and for other people, it's not their natural talent. But is it a good idea? And if so, when is it a good idea?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Y5g94Jl7dJ6g6VsqTNovV0lkobcjvb20lspr8HX9c3UMtqL2dHDHazjgQGIPYnl55Gw-AnZElYeApmje3h-yxn_AtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.62'>04:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, even as you're giving all these pros and cons, I often, my first question would be, okay, so if I hire someone to do outsourcing my sales because I am a solo or even a smaller shop, even if it's a micro agency doing this, is the prospect going to feel like, well, this is a little top heavy. Is this going to affect your pricing? Is it going to feel like a bait and switch? I don't know. I think it would probably work best for a very specific business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MLeQT-nqum30MDIfRRCDNwEih6uzhstHH8HCN7g0LceL0arvlovhLgG2Q_ySBhQMNAtAjlsL4Ct5raAI_YF8A-GXiwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=285.25'>04:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so here's where I land on it. When you think about the sales function within a large organization, typically the salespeople are employees of your company, so they are integrated into your brand. And so when they're selling, they're not selling something that's a part from them. This is a company that they have a connection with that they're a part of, so they're a part of your brand. I do think that there's this principle in sales that people buy from people that they know, like trust.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YHouygfNLGhNjaG9VcfyqOjwUAfTtx0MidBdSib2gZpHoeQ34-guwwmkHoSClqC8GuTXA8aUQa3mJYJeap0Y1O79NYA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=322.63'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EFuneGItni6T5hVTqS_p3JEzwNQCrd9oANXXR6aCRu0mPOpnNQ3bg5IzZKmR3hEB8tFQGcvlnK64UFKwIdQ-cKiOq6M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=323.14'>05:23</a>):</p>
<p>So when you bring in a third party company, they're trying to establish no and trust for you and they're removed. And also, remember, a lot of these companies, here's the caution, they're not just selling you. And so if you're in an agreement with them to get a percentage, that doesn't mean that they're going to put you forth and that they are acting on only your behalf. They're just selling and they're just trying to place and match, make a PR agency to a client. So it's not a one-to-one agreement where this is your outsource sales team. Now, there are people that you can hire as an outsource salesperson, but in my viewpoint, there are a couple of cautions. And I'm not saying that it will never work. I would never say that. And we always want to be mindful about not being so locked into tradition that we're not open to change.</p>
<p>But in my viewpoint, you never ever go wrong when you manage sales in your company, and if you are growing a bigger agency, even your job really should be developing business. You take yourself not out of the sales process, but out of the day-to-day, tactical stuff, that's what you outsource. But business development you keep, this is your company. No one can tell your story like you. And unlike some other businesses, we're not selling widgets. This is very much a service business and pr, the way that it's purchased has not changed that much, except when you're talking billion dollar budgets where they're hiring big global agencies and they're putting out feelers. But even in that process, if we really dig down into it, we know that often with those big, huge million dollar budgets, they're inviting people that they know trust to bid on the business.</p>
<p>So it's still a handful of firms. It's not just a big cattle call. Yes, RFPs happen, but those have to be winnable for you to even participate in that process. So from my viewpoint, you never go wrong by taking on that function and outsourcing something else. But if you're going to go this route, I would say there are a couple things that you need to be cautious about. You need to really look at the agreement that you're entering into for not only the length of time, the process that they're going to utilize to sell on your behalf. The percentage that you'll have to give up, is it a flat rate payment? Is it an ongoing percentage of your fee? You have to understand confidentiality and how much you're disclosing to this firm in order for them to be able to sell you. So again, if they're just out there and they're selling everybody, including your clients, because this has happened with some outsourced firms where they're supposed to be selling for you, and then they're offering up your clients on behalf of other agencies, that's not a good situation. So I would say I would have legal counsel go over any agreement that I was planning to enter into and make sure that you're not trapping yourself in something that's going to work against you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QqctaZZon7s-caUMEbUCU-vFuVNKPF_9KdzUz-YVfh6o1XeTjhJATbXQeYtnLeftBy-FzT9my66ZMsuonerBKEexl7s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=525.32'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>And you know what? If you hadn't outlined all those things just now that's making me tired and thinking I'll just do it myself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iU6F1ym4LRLtt_msUXDssdz_R1h60_kTUs8_9xCbSeb4ghjVNaB86RHv1uxJTwHtX9jNATYHR4Q7WwgYZGun-YQ4eHI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.92'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>You can learn how to develop business. That's the thing. You don't have to be a quote salesperson to learn how to develop business for yourself. It's getting over that fear and understanding and having some kind of a process that is your natural skillset. So for example, networking may be your jammed, you're good at it, you're comfortable doing that, do that, but do it consistently because business development is not something that should happen when the house is on fire. It needs to happen on an ongoing basis. So you need to have structures in place that you constantly do. And outsourcing sales has to make financial sense for your company. So if you are somebody that only needs five accounts that are $20,000 a month, it might not be worth it to outsource your sales. But if you're really trying to build a larger agency, again, I would say, why don't you outsource other things that are going to get you bang for your buck? Because the more you free up your time to lead strategy to develop your people and to develop business, that's going to put the money in your pocket, not outsourcing the sales function. I mean, I think sometimes when we start our own business, we forget that at some point you're going to have to let go of some things if you want to grow.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s73bfwusqzY435HliXK6G-AduPBXnAkWju1prMNbCYWdvjUu5w7-SnWGqK8JG15g2TrTFxejAlmQj5lRbK7nY1j_Tio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=623.62'>10:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_g2SXBXirbgyiipVN65wCEjnwkz3amEm-ahypW-oo9L6ZEJiakn72ercWAzdYp2rZ1fM8CYnkQc5nnXsIoONONptRLw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=625.29'>10:25</a>):</p>
<p>It just is what it is. It doesn't mean that you have to, if doing the work is like that is where your heart lies and that's what makes you happy and excited about going to work every day and you're happy with your income, then you won't have to outsource anything. But if you ever want to get past that point to where you're bringing in more income, you're going to have to let go, and you're going to have to give up control of some things. But business development should not be that thing, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x2gtoUjHxO_qqHwZn0cxpriBR1W5BBqBhKHwd9GSln6LAaYyKLfzGLnaNPFSJCNs_Za5CLShBnzgxWHzPVJWw0uLGj0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.74'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>No, I couldn't agree more because all business is relationship, and people want to know who they're doing business with, and if they choose to do business with you, it's because of you. Not that you're holding hands 24/7 and overdelivering, but they want to know who they're doing business with. And I think, look, unless I'm like LeBron James and I have an agent, to me it almost pings of, oh, I'm hiring an agent and well, who am I? No one that's for, well, for the most part known entities, right? It's not for unknowns. And if people want to know how I'm doing business, they want to know how I work, I'm the one that should be cultivating it, and I couldn't agree more. If you want to outsource things, it's the day to day, and it's really, it comes down to, and this goes for any businesses.</p>
<p>I've had this conversation with clients who are solos in other arenas when they're struggling with scaling, and it's like, look, what kind of work do you want to do? Do you want to just dig in and do the work or do you want to be growing this to be a larger concern? So you have to decide where you want to be and where you want to go. And in that case, this might be for you, but I think just for generally speaking, for the solos of the world, I think it just kind of goes against the structure that works for us.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m4L0I4ZzHCE3mbuEHworTysYWTNBwxZ4L3ZkjlDX-Q1P67gK3OrbwEazDc3-gaqFwlD2l2OqJRm8yFdIsPPs_LQku6g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=744.37'>12:24</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And I mean, here's the other thing too. The sales cycle, it is typically long. It's not like you're going to hire somebody and boom, boom, that business is going to come rolling in. I will say maybe different than somebody who completes the whole sale cycle. Maybe you enter into relationships, referral relationships, or maybe it's a matchmaker service. But again, I say look at those and don't believe that it's going to be a magic fix, but you want to make sure that you understand all of the terms and make sure that it's going to be worth your time because I know that that also feels like such a relief if you just get leads and it's a matchmaker type service, that could be great. And I agree. When you're getting leads from verifiable sources, that's beautiful. But then in your local area, there may be groups that already do that.</p>
<p>I know of some groups in different cities that it's basically a community of people and they refer business to each other within the group. If they don't have the skillset within the group, then group members will go outside to their broader network. That's a beautiful thing. It doesn't cost anything. There's no fee for entry. It's just these people that have formed a relationship with one another, much like the solo prs have done with each other that are referring business to one another. Sometimes maybe you have, we have venture capitalists that we have relationships with, and we get leads from them. You can develop your own lead source.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KjJCpeCu-EFpAm4nVZVcr7w3c76Uf2EvQ_D_bM1CuTDHfof7GaflN8OmYy7GR8aZmqbL2TLmgw1cDTrEI680o_yfYdY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=853.3'>14:13</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hxztyptTJVpP5O-PDtGThqtuq6UR8xVnH5OkXRNu0vlR29APOGDGedqOTKeiQj9cRcqH1otWCyeQqDmLajW3Qmz4224?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=854.98'>14:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you really can do that. And Michelle, you hit the nail on the head. It's relationship. What I have found when selling new business is that people don't just want to understand your capabilities. They want to understand how you think and how you do business. That's something that's not always on paper. It's in those conversations that you have with people, the things that are in between the spaces of here's what we're able to do, here's who we've done it for.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j6EqX82gr_waxoxr2pA9Hy-1K4C6taFjnturn_fBWNJ_lPVMFoCn3cFBM6rqgJbpF0ohZSI0iRoSnqdJhnZ1_DEmIBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.07'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And it even comes up with just try to be helpful. I love making connections that have absolutely no benefit to me. If I see, oh, hey, you know what? This person will be fantastic for what you're looking for, and I hope it works out. That's great. Just sprinkle that goodness around. But that also speaks to the way you do business and to who you are and to just have some third party cold calling. Because look, we get these emails and what do we do? We delete them. I had one this morning where it said, just reply, no thanks. I'm like, no, that's, that's seven too many keystrokes for me. I'm just going to hit delete.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vrRLJYnLSCQHoBWktZGxJQUON1xgnPUR44dQcWsCVfY4RLFfTnTsWIhg53-nhwyCjYoK8eFCWDiFTTjaS240GNIZOiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=929.63'>15:29</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I love the templates that now force you to unsubscribe. I never asked to subscribe. You randomly grab my name from the internet, are emailing me and then saying, this is the final time that you're going email me. And then you lie and you email me again, and then I have to unsubscribe from your emails that I never asked for. Nope. I won't be doing that. Thank you. I'll however, report it a spam and get you blocked. So I'll do you that favor. But yeah, and I'm not, let me be clear. There are some legitimate PR sales agencies out there. I don't want to just throw shade on all of them. I'm just not a fan of that business model for the type of work that we do, even if it's by former PR people, because there's a disconnect between who they are and really positioning yourself, your brand to potential clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/juPGlkvidNy-RVd_Jc-9Lwq-xFwJJrlYWtexPU8HuI1C0dBmXBXeT0CxU0XRZwkiHnmG8FF6N-h6HYWlZm36x06HJYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=994.46'>16:34</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. And something you said earlier, worth your time, your time is worth something. And just consider the time you would spend getting something like that going for potential payoff. Is it worth it where you could really be spending the time doing that on your own, work, LinkedIn, go to the networking things both in person, and there are still some virtual things that you can pop into. And as we know, building business, it's a slow burn. It takes easily six months, two years even. I've served on certain committees for years. Is it partly to hopefully build business? Yeah, that can't be my only reason, because that's not realistic. It took about, I don't know, six or seven years until one of those committee slots turned into really good business. Timing has to be right. Need has to be right. But you know what? When they needed someone, thankfully I was the first person they thought of.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2SgWecfgo1ZqnPuhrziWrxBLPzE7CmX-4il9OSBZmQmwGXgW1PAEhoy4BUbyP_cvx24dp09sPzZjWPmvF4Ol2_I2zBU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1064.45'>17:44</a>):</p>
<p>And I would say for solos, remind people pretty frequently it'll feel like too much for you, but remind people what you do. We don't do that. It's interesting. I was on threads last week and this amazing woman just said, Hey, this is what I do and I'm looking to be a guest on podcast. And she just stated her value proposition and her comments were flooded with people, and then she was like, okay, here's how to reach me. So just by reminding people like, Hey, I'm here. We're connected. This is what I do. And she was bold about it. I think that solos could use a bit of that confidence. Don't assume that just because you're on LinkedIn and you're sharing articles or you're on social media or you have a website or even because you have a client that is working with you, that they remember everything that you do and can offer or that you want business, you have to open up your mouth and remind people, including your clients. So periodically, even if you've been serving a client for five years, you need to say, Hey, I have an open slot. Do you know anybody who could use X, Y, Z? Would you mind making an introduction? Do not be afraid to share your areas of expertise. And don't forget that we're bombarded with so much information that people may not readily recall everything that you offer or even know that you're in the market for new business. So you have to speak up.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/geURf7SJ2-so0RdbJN2spEk7ZJb8OQo_lTvbB9yVpY94-5Rn61yL854o6XpmbgcjgzNAa69kKCpeN3eLuCoPYZmDyS0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1155.87'>19:15</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. Well, we hope this time together has been beneficial, especially if you've been receiving these inquiries and wondering, gosh, I don't know. Should I outsource sales? So I know Karen's offered some amazing advice, and at the end of the day, you need to do what's right for you. And we know that in your gut what that is. So if you got value from this, please share it around. Check us out  at solopro.com. I believe Karen is the window to membership still open.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ihrNipU_7qFJ3e6XGLu0ih1mNUgRRToKYMHAVStWw6uOf5P0yEI7kZ2Mhp3bbCMkbBFP-oNnzt6eq6ZzsUqTZGn7z6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1187.13'>19:47</a>):</p>
<p>It is!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/akLyKLQ6d-NqMq-3-zaXTCxa-wV9YAFWEkQUqeJktuYVDDEQeaoaSvKpQXOEPGFd71hUkLsN-S8nKapU2eUGyCCRBwM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1188.57'>19:48</a>):</p>
<p>Excellent. So if you want to join our incredible community, that would be amazing. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you today, Karen?
Karen Swim, APR (00:18):
I am a little bit cold, a little bit sad because as we are recording this, we now know that the Detroit Lions will not be in the Super Bowl this year, but other than that, life is good. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:35):
I'm good. I'm so sorry you can join. The ranks of the football season is over for us. It's never fun, especially the Lions had such a great run this year. My gosh, I was hoping they would get there. Just to shake things up a little bit.
Karen Swim, APR (00:53):
I had hope too, for the first time since I've lived in Michigan, I actually had hope that our football team would be in the Super Bowl. I'd never had hope before if I'm being completely honest, but
Michelle Kane (01:05):
Well,
Karen Swim, APR (01:05):
That doesn't, what are you going to do
Michelle Kane (01:07):
That makes it hurt a little more? So I get that. Totally get that. Anyway, but today we'll focus on bright, shiny new things. Actually, today we're going to talk about something that's been bopping around in our thoughts for a while. Should you outsource your sales for your solo business? Sometimes you think, huh, I'm a solo. What does that entail? Why would I want to do that? But at the same time, I don't know about you, but last time I had my resume, updated my resume like an overhaul. I had someone else do it, I hired it out. Sometimes talking about yourself and selling yourself is far more difficult than selling your clients. I remember getting the product, the resume back and reading it and thinking, who is this person? I did that,
Karen Swim, APR (02:02):
And I think that's why I can see the appeal of all of these new agencies that have popped up that want to do the sales process for you, because this is a very, very common pain point for solos. I mean, very common where everyone is like, how do I bring on business? And if you did not come from a traditional agency where business development is required as part of your role, then it can be very uncomfortable to figure this out. You don't really know how to sell and people equate sales with, here's what I see. I was in sales and I manage sales teams. So when you say the word sell to many people, they instantly think that it somehow means overcoming someone's will. So it feels like force process of overcoming someone's will to get what you want. That is not what sales is at all.
It really isn't. You're not forcing someone to choose you. You are talking to people who have problems and to gather you're collaboratively coming up with a solution. Sometimes that solution isn't you. That's a part of the sales process. Sometimes it is something that you actually can solve. And so the key is to find the people that have the problems that you actually can solve. So there's firms out there, and I get it. I get the appeal and I understand why there's so many firms that are now in this space. Part of it is because many people are trying to find other avenues for PR careers as they're transitioning out of PR because of the changing landscape. And some people are very good at the sales process, they're great at discovery, they're great at having these sales conversations, and for other people, it's not their natural talent. But is it a good idea? And if so, when is it a good idea?
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Yeah, I mean, even as you're giving all these pros and cons, I often, my first question would be, okay, so if I hire someone to do outsourcing my sales because I am a solo]]></itunes:summary>
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<p><a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/01/18/the-rise-of-challenger-firms'>Axios article: "Challenger" firms rising: Top PR talent defect from big agencies</a></p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BjrS9ECgn9mO3OIdoN4bw3MFPbnuleC41qBfobUt5xDdI4U_LZ-dnIHudYNMSuBU6p3UhjlZUqBIlIs2K7zA-1l0QGw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.43'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and I am joined by my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rt9e-iUDj2qmcZLDxh1wlP8QsONp8yJTTjCYGf53ER-5-8bAZaCdMx6tQFiPEq_bWwfK8hmcyv2RNiwKFatBzPjdpsI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.65'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xp4u_ODIee8ZO2HwtUyQVdg-Z84SyEOhlvMJyZMYZCJoIXtzk3hf-3UDS9cdYEzt3F4uQaxNC0P1qJjVUmT6zQeEpaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.44'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I'm doing really well. Thank you. I can't complain because no one wants to hear it anyway, there</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p2JL7ugiAnDSLIS_7x4Ie4B-unnmCQQ4meVi77DXh1XyX-vJ05F1sIkXkkLR6yT26NW-FxhOjn6fb7V2mbV9EIOA4Z0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.55'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>You haven't. I think that we're all in that same boat. We actually all could complain, probably judging by the way, 2024 starting off. Not nice 24,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s4NV7GU-xi-eEcsTwjlvJsesbPbuLqR029rUn_QPZbPTIIeoosiHEdAiLq6FVyiCq9GQl6ZPRXDTGojQR4qtp5IH0AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.23'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Not</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AGNAChUosbAEwkwwiIhu6905XyR9kthjgUo_ACUs-ERJFDYFYAxBVb5dXrvWApjn1Ck6D8f0kDO1XEvozcl5Irx3ROk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.89'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/boaS62caWCnWDxKg2x7a8wUzWKex5Ehba1qOGq7ytB0Ele9QO79zedfmA8kp5hflRjBFhWujgfhSb9czJIMUGxRtuh0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.85'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>It's being a little rude. Maybe it'll start rude and end nice. Who knows? But speaking of not being okay, we want to talk a little bit about the PR panic that we've seen and felt in the air. I mean, there's been a ton of uncertainty as the years go on the pandemic, just our sources diminishing, our media pitching being so much more difficult on an ever increasing pace. And there was an article in <a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/01/18/the-rise-of-challenger-firms'>Axios</a> recently that sort of speaks to that, but it sort of speaks to an overall theme of the pivot of pivoting to something new that the Axios piece specifically was speaking about the rise of challenger firms. How much of the top talent is leaving the larger PR agencies and either striking out on their own or forming smaller concerns, which, gosh, that sounds so familiar. Is there a model about that, about being a solo PR pro? So if you're listening to this as a solo, you're like, I've already done that, but it's just interesting to note for sure.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lNGmWMahUcjuEOrIovnIDKR9aINAls0mxWco3MGdbTvcdje6A0u-A4ONHFtbdhNLEwEcpu09d269Cur5D0KAYeL3xes?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.3'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think what's also not in that particular piece that we are definitely seeing a lot of is that we're seeing PR people as well as the media pivot their careers in different ways. So we're seeing PR people turn away from delivering PR services to serving the PR industry. So we've seen all kinds of PR sales agencies pop up. We're seeing paid media services, we're seeing people start newswires or database companies, or they're coaching, they're doing something adjacent to PR but not doing pr. And when you really think about it, because it can be a little bit disconcerting when you are bombarded with all of these changes, and you're also bombarded on a personal basis with how these changes are impacting your day-to-day job, the traditional job market has been tumultuous since the pandemic. And so it tracks that. We're seeing some of that chaos impact the PR industry. And let us not forget, unfortunately, that the industry at large for so many years has been driven by traditional PR services, meaning your in-house or it's a big agency. So that chaos now in the broader workforce market is really coming home to roost for PR people and automation has kicked it into a whole different gear.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kDJoKEG6Mu_mg3IR1aSvFzfk6RVs5zusRCs_ZuyvbxoxD9LiWcDo5EI3hJ2xAgOUPO5TTM_K8sHV2hQ2AjDxmOcA8uI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.76'>03:48</a>):</p>
<p>So we're seeing a lot of uncertainty about not only the economy, but the work market, how much you have to work with, how much you'll be able to get resources to do the job you do. What people really think about your job is they are like, could I replace some of these functions or could I downsize and have two people do what a team used to do? Because I have automation? And those are all fair questions, but it definitely can be a little nauseating for PR people watching the spin and trying to figure out, okay, how do I keep my footing in the midst of all this?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_PP_87pa8MnZ2pkLRdlgdN9TBLEJlpRmdBuxUkpdk0rFDfuhWR6HFk-CSnSWasBg0bmXrMsv951cQ5bynHeRYEUs96g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=267.74'>04:27</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And it can be very disconcerting and disturbing. I mean, look, we know that traditional outlets have been losing advertising dollars for years just because of the way we're consuming our media is changing. I mean, that's a given. And I think a lot of it is partly due to that change outpacing the juggernaut of the industry as a whole, being able to make up for that. So seeing something like, unfortunately, the entire Sports Illustrated staff just be obliterated, is jarring because Sports Illustrated has been such a part of our pop culture or our cultural psyche for so long, and it's like, whoa, what? What's happening? So just at that base level, it's very, very disturbing. But when you kind of sit with her for a while, you think, well, I guess it kind of makes sense in a way. So how can we best position our businesses to deal with that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kUOH-a4Nzc6pEa4rdOdy9Rg6xgkDjFj933KKnfF0IdtvjZ9s3vSi-1iz_brhgpBYS3tjyF0_wQUTAtR22hG2qJYEfqg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.26'>05:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, these are great questions. And you're right, it's some of those old institutions, trusted institutions are failing. And so here's the reality. Yes, things are changing. Yes, jobs will go away. Yes, some people will lose clients. And yes, there may be fewer jobs in certain sectors, that's reality. But let us not forget that that has always been reality, period. Some jobs have gone away and new jobs emerge. And so for the Sol PR Pro, what I would encourage us all to do is to look up from our to-do list and really do some future proofing of our business instead of being caught in the tailwind of what's happening right now, look ahead to where, because I believe that we all are equipped with the knowledge of being able to look out into the future and say, this is where I think things are going. And so I think it's important to do a little of that reflection and to think about what you're seeing in your business, what trends you're seeing, and what you believe lies ahead and preparing for that.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L1HWEu0jXdgVVqlfqXWTBu1Qd-aJW0ZN8rnvfCj3j5mk-btHSe3fNfyXayLFFb5S4NilHYkkXFVbdwBAalxcaZLU_eI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=403.67'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>So right now, you should already be working on having a business for 2027, not just on what's happening in 2024, because this is all going to settle out, but what's going to remain standing? And here's the thing. Within these dark times and within these times of crisis and chaos, there is something called opportunity. And economists understand this very well. There's opportunity. So look at the problems that you believe will exist and start to work on how can I solve those things instead of getting caught up in the now and for the now, the way that you manage it is you do what are the right things. So you build in some of that innovation, but you also make sure that you are not being seen as someone who's just a tactician. If people see you as just somebody who gets media heads, then you're not going to be okay in the short term.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IVGyKFosA7nCaTUWnq0zHnhAWV3dNd6GEOoKYrhQtYoCMFz9RSbKhvGF6DiLhh0Jf2szSpjkbirugOE_kR8L9q7xoH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.03'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe you're just not. And it doesn't mean if you are a media relations specialist, you are doomed. That is not what I'm saying, because there are plenty of people who are going to continue to thrive as media relations specialists, but those media relations specialists who will last are those that are strategic who have made themselves invaluable to the c-suite. Because what we don't understand is a lot of those people whose wholly focus on media relations aren't just writing pitches and connecting with the media. They actually are offering strategic counsel. They're probably doing a little bit of executive coaching and leadership training as well. They're doing some messaging workshops, even if it's not formally a workshop, they're helping the brand tell their story. So there's a lot of other things that are wrapped up in that. So we shouldn't be swayed by the title, but if you are not making yourself invaluable in other ways and elevating what you offer, then in the short term as somebody who just relies on tactics, you're going to get shuffled.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3FdnfcSmaAspBAKMhfJVVrCjUYeqTmHArdABkJDanbxdPPPPPvQMs_LHgVyGXt4tI2BEWAaLcwIHKEMQ6TWtRN742ZQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=531.83'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And I think the key phrase there is strategic counsel. I think anyone who works as a solo, that's certainly what we offer without even thinking about it. So it's kind of like five, seven, however many years ago it was because time is a blur. When integrated marketing became the new buzzword, it hit me personally as strange because even when I worked in an ad agency, we offered PR services. So I'm like, well, that's what I've been doing. But if your work has been more siloed, now is the time not saying that you have to become a specialist at everything, but now is the time to consider shifting, to not consider, to shift your practice into a way that meets the needs where you can continue to be that answer to your client's question, that solution to your client's problems. I am in this bleak mid-winter. I am keeping the mood in my TV viewing, I'm watching the true detective, whatever, is it night country. And I love what Jodi Foster's character, who is the chief police, keep saying to her younger proteges, no, you're asking the wrong question. You have to ask the right question to get to the right answer. And that stuck with me because my goodness, if that doesn't work for life as well as fictional crime solving, I don't know what does.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J0XTZwkvjaBsvkhsc742LKTVD97qRlkscPrQ--CVi5GvZ66zmvJ_JCq1Ne9qNtSkzA89Jk6oPBfpEZWX5a7n17PGCYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.09'>10:22</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I haven't seen that show, but I love that line because you're absolutely right. We do have to ask the right questions to get the right answers, and it's going to be an interesting year. So if you thought differently by now, you've probably had a rude awakening, doesn't mean that it's going to be bad, but that there is going to be a lot of change. And in the US we know that whenever we are in an election year, it drives a level of uncertainty, period, because you don't know what the next administration will do with policy. So it's really important for us to find a lane that we can dig deep into. As you were saying that too, I would advise all solo PR pros to go deeper into your clients. I know that we all usually work with a couple of key primary contacts, and we may have interaction with other staff members, but as you just said, Michelle, about asking the right questions, you need to do some relationship building beyond the current department.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vH_uHhNLexNGLmlk7qibmfK6o_woJRjBPZ9iSRoCVDadA41FiBd48XDKy7M9rtVH5n7a-2g2FWSh46FgxOXl_lBP2xA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=694.23'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>So get out of communications marketing and make some time to talk to somebody in finance and just ask, say, for my own knowledge, can we hop on the phone for 20 minutes? And I just want to hear more about your function of the business and what you're seeing so that you start to understand the future. And if you can't do that with your current clients, I understand sometimes that's not possible, then you need to make it your personal mission to network outside of PR people and start to talk to people in other functions. There are plenty of ways to do that. You can attend virtually webinars that are geared to other job functions, to learn about what they're seeing and the challenges they're facing, because the more that you understand business at large, the better equipped you are to begin asking different questions to get the right answers that are going to carry you through not only this year, but the next several years.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tp7WbSPp0CrSzovwTMDSE0pucAJi8U_6uz6_Ym96cEEW4IUgRG0Illsv6le7UWXciBmr4q9plmRmvznwX6sYcQEIRos?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.33'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>That is so true. And I did see something recently, of course, by the time this hits, it won't be so recent, but I was checking what the muckety mucks at the Davos meetings were saying, and they actually had a fairly bright outlook for 24. So amidst all this uncertainty, we're certainly not saying that the sky is falling. And they also noted that, which was a bit satisfying to me, to see that yes, we like ai, but they're not as gung-ho. Everyone's like, we're just going to use it for everything and it's going to be fine. These leaders and decision makers are saying, yes, we like it, but we realize that it has its limits. So the sky is not falling solos. But my goodness, there are opportunities out there for us to pursue, which is a wonderful thing. And that's the wonderful thing about being a solo.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-ZnxzJsOeHnlnTuo0y5koZ2YxT5kmhrS8E05IVS5aT4aBS7H2vJ_0X3ITopLiZzSrtbwom4NnNVHJJKoxPrUGFwkgOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.68'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>It is. And honestly, if you feel like your head is spinning, you're not alone. I am going to be 100% transparent and tell you that I have those days where I think I'm over all of this. Can I just retire right now and not care about any of this? So it can be exhausting to try to keep up and to continue to try and innovate and recreate your workflow and stay ahead of things, which is why you should definitely plug into our community. If you're a communicator, either in a small, in-house team or functioning as a solo or micro agency, go to solo pr pro.com and on our homepage, you'll see a join now button, and we encourage you to connect up with us because life is definitely a lot better when you have a room full of colleagues, a virtual room full of colleagues that understand what you're going through and can offer useful advice,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m32gSXsmO6t5mnb9acCIlrWZSLfhEJm2Ewt8_AE2UwcQX-ysL2wC3eiBfJuIuU4yjL8cslD2z6I32rmXXEwR9tRu2cs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=877.84'>14:37</a>):</p>
<p>They will, and they will make you smarter, and they will help you remember how smart you are. And so many times they will talk you off the, because they have me, I can give that unvarnished, vouch, vouch for respect. And we all need that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KDY4UzwlODrnk3TM6anAoIg_i3KnUPbxDC7KjQ1xFJuvopmxppb4o0n1IiSerYD9nxf1TPhoRCx1ceUYX6x-2PQaVHE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=897.44'>14:57</a>):</p>
<p>We all need that. I'm sorry. We have, and we're all hitting that ledge a little kind of frequently these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/khN1uo-4j4EoktWD2Df3YfkDqC8Ue95_pnL-oSz9i-DOuun50Dwtq-mnP5q3n4z3Swxwa6uWCl_Ku2CRputSSAChLUI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=904.37'>15:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, right. It's like, oh, because yeah, even though you work for yourself, it doesn't mean that you should do it alone. So we hope hundred percent. Yeah. Well, we hope this time together has been helpful for you. It's always helpful for us, even as we record these episodes. So please do go over to soloprpro.com, check it out, see if it's for you. I think it'll be, and please share this around if you found the content of value, we would really appreciate that. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we begin 2024, there are a lot of unsettling developments in the media industry. Layoffs and the shuttering of legacy media – it can cause a panic. But we know that change is constant and there is always a way forward.</p>
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<p><a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/01/18/the-rise-of-challenger-firms'>Axios article: "Challenger" firms rising: Top PR talent defect from big agencies</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BjrS9ECgn9mO3OIdoN4bw3MFPbnuleC41qBfobUt5xDdI4U_LZ-dnIHudYNMSuBU6p3UhjlZUqBIlIs2K7zA-1l0QGw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.43'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and I am joined by my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rt9e-iUDj2qmcZLDxh1wlP8QsONp8yJTTjCYGf53ER-5-8bAZaCdMx6tQFiPEq_bWwfK8hmcyv2RNiwKFatBzPjdpsI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.65'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xp4u_ODIee8ZO2HwtUyQVdg-Z84SyEOhlvMJyZMYZCJoIXtzk3hf-3UDS9cdYEzt3F4uQaxNC0P1qJjVUmT6zQeEpaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.44'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I'm doing really well. Thank you. I can't complain because no one wants to hear it anyway, there</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p2JL7ugiAnDSLIS_7x4Ie4B-unnmCQQ4meVi77DXh1XyX-vJ05F1sIkXkkLR6yT26NW-FxhOjn6fb7V2mbV9EIOA4Z0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=29.55'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>You haven't. I think that we're all in that same boat. We actually all could complain, probably judging by the way, 2024 starting off. Not nice 24,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s4NV7GU-xi-eEcsTwjlvJsesbPbuLqR029rUn_QPZbPTIIeoosiHEdAiLq6FVyiCq9GQl6ZPRXDTGojQR4qtp5IH0AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.23'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Not</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AGNAChUosbAEwkwwiIhu6905XyR9kthjgUo_ACUs-ERJFDYFYAxBVb5dXrvWApjn1Ck6D8f0kDO1XEvozcl5Irx3ROk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.89'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Nice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/boaS62caWCnWDxKg2x7a8wUzWKex5Ehba1qOGq7ytB0Ele9QO79zedfmA8kp5hflRjBFhWujgfhSb9czJIMUGxRtuh0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.85'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>It's being a little rude. Maybe it'll start rude and end nice. Who knows? But speaking of not being okay, we want to talk a little bit about the PR panic that we've seen and felt in the air. I mean, there's been a ton of uncertainty as the years go on the pandemic, just our sources diminishing, our media pitching being so much more difficult on an ever increasing pace. And there was an article in <a href='https://www.axios.com/2024/01/18/the-rise-of-challenger-firms'>Axios</a> recently that sort of speaks to that, but it sort of speaks to an overall theme of the pivot of pivoting to something new that the Axios piece specifically was speaking about the rise of challenger firms. How much of the top talent is leaving the larger PR agencies and either striking out on their own or forming smaller concerns, which, gosh, that sounds so familiar. Is there a model about that, about being a solo PR pro? So if you're listening to this as a solo, you're like, I've already done that, but it's just interesting to note for sure.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lNGmWMahUcjuEOrIovnIDKR9aINAls0mxWco3MGdbTvcdje6A0u-A4ONHFtbdhNLEwEcpu09d269Cur5D0KAYeL3xes?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.3'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think what's also not in that particular piece that we are definitely seeing a lot of is that we're seeing PR people as well as the media pivot their careers in different ways. So we're seeing PR people turn away from delivering PR services to serving the PR industry. So we've seen all kinds of PR sales agencies pop up. We're seeing paid media services, we're seeing people start newswires or database companies, or they're coaching, they're doing something adjacent to PR but not doing pr. And when you really think about it, because it can be a little bit disconcerting when you are bombarded with all of these changes, and you're also bombarded on a personal basis with how these changes are impacting your day-to-day job, the traditional job market has been tumultuous since the pandemic. And so it tracks that. We're seeing some of that chaos impact the PR industry. And let us not forget, unfortunately, that the industry at large for so many years has been driven by traditional PR services, meaning your in-house or it's a big agency. So that chaos now in the broader workforce market is really coming home to roost for PR people and automation has kicked it into a whole different gear.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kDJoKEG6Mu_mg3IR1aSvFzfk6RVs5zusRCs_ZuyvbxoxD9LiWcDo5EI3hJ2xAgOUPO5TTM_K8sHV2hQ2AjDxmOcA8uI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=228.76'>03:48</a>):</p>
<p>So we're seeing a lot of uncertainty about not only the economy, but the work market, how much you have to work with, how much you'll be able to get resources to do the job you do. What people really think about your job is they are like, could I replace some of these functions or could I downsize and have two people do what a team used to do? Because I have automation? And those are all fair questions, but it definitely can be a little nauseating for PR people watching the spin and trying to figure out, okay, how do I keep my footing in the midst of all this?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_PP_87pa8MnZ2pkLRdlgdN9TBLEJlpRmdBuxUkpdk0rFDfuhWR6HFk-CSnSWasBg0bmXrMsv951cQ5bynHeRYEUs96g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=267.74'>04:27</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And it can be very disconcerting and disturbing. I mean, look, we know that traditional outlets have been losing advertising dollars for years just because of the way we're consuming our media is changing. I mean, that's a given. And I think a lot of it is partly due to that change outpacing the juggernaut of the industry as a whole, being able to make up for that. So seeing something like, unfortunately, the entire Sports Illustrated staff just be obliterated, is jarring because Sports Illustrated has been such a part of our pop culture or our cultural psyche for so long, and it's like, whoa, what? What's happening? So just at that base level, it's very, very disturbing. But when you kind of sit with her for a while, you think, well, I guess it kind of makes sense in a way. So how can we best position our businesses to deal with that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kUOH-a4Nzc6pEa4rdOdy9Rg6xgkDjFj933KKnfF0IdtvjZ9s3vSi-1iz_brhgpBYS3tjyF0_wQUTAtR22hG2qJYEfqg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=335.26'>05:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, these are great questions. And you're right, it's some of those old institutions, trusted institutions are failing. And so here's the reality. Yes, things are changing. Yes, jobs will go away. Yes, some people will lose clients. And yes, there may be fewer jobs in certain sectors, that's reality. But let us not forget that that has always been reality, period. Some jobs have gone away and new jobs emerge. And so for the Sol PR Pro, what I would encourage us all to do is to look up from our to-do list and really do some future proofing of our business instead of being caught in the tailwind of what's happening right now, look ahead to where, because I believe that we all are equipped with the knowledge of being able to look out into the future and say, this is where I think things are going. And so I think it's important to do a little of that reflection and to think about what you're seeing in your business, what trends you're seeing, and what you believe lies ahead and preparing for that.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L1HWEu0jXdgVVqlfqXWTBu1Qd-aJW0ZN8rnvfCj3j5mk-btHSe3fNfyXayLFFb5S4NilHYkkXFVbdwBAalxcaZLU_eI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=403.67'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>So right now, you should already be working on having a business for 2027, not just on what's happening in 2024, because this is all going to settle out, but what's going to remain standing? And here's the thing. Within these dark times and within these times of crisis and chaos, there is something called opportunity. And economists understand this very well. There's opportunity. So look at the problems that you believe will exist and start to work on how can I solve those things instead of getting caught up in the now and for the now, the way that you manage it is you do what are the right things. So you build in some of that innovation, but you also make sure that you are not being seen as someone who's just a tactician. If people see you as just somebody who gets media heads, then you're not going to be okay in the short term.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IVGyKFosA7nCaTUWnq0zHnhAWV3dNd6GEOoKYrhQtYoCMFz9RSbKhvGF6DiLhh0Jf2szSpjkbirugOE_kR8L9q7xoH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.03'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe you're just not. And it doesn't mean if you are a media relations specialist, you are doomed. That is not what I'm saying, because there are plenty of people who are going to continue to thrive as media relations specialists, but those media relations specialists who will last are those that are strategic who have made themselves invaluable to the c-suite. Because what we don't understand is a lot of those people whose wholly focus on media relations aren't just writing pitches and connecting with the media. They actually are offering strategic counsel. They're probably doing a little bit of executive coaching and leadership training as well. They're doing some messaging workshops, even if it's not formally a workshop, they're helping the brand tell their story. So there's a lot of other things that are wrapped up in that. So we shouldn't be swayed by the title, but if you are not making yourself invaluable in other ways and elevating what you offer, then in the short term as somebody who just relies on tactics, you're going to get shuffled.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3FdnfcSmaAspBAKMhfJVVrCjUYeqTmHArdABkJDanbxdPPPPPvQMs_LHgVyGXt4tI2BEWAaLcwIHKEMQ6TWtRN742ZQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=531.83'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And I think the key phrase there is strategic counsel. I think anyone who works as a solo, that's certainly what we offer without even thinking about it. So it's kind of like five, seven, however many years ago it was because time is a blur. When integrated marketing became the new buzzword, it hit me personally as strange because even when I worked in an ad agency, we offered PR services. So I'm like, well, that's what I've been doing. But if your work has been more siloed, now is the time not saying that you have to become a specialist at everything, but now is the time to consider shifting, to not consider, to shift your practice into a way that meets the needs where you can continue to be that answer to your client's question, that solution to your client's problems. I am in this bleak mid-winter. I am keeping the mood in my TV viewing, I'm watching the true detective, whatever, is it night country. And I love what Jodi Foster's character, who is the chief police, keep saying to her younger proteges, no, you're asking the wrong question. You have to ask the right question to get to the right answer. And that stuck with me because my goodness, if that doesn't work for life as well as fictional crime solving, I don't know what does.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J0XTZwkvjaBsvkhsc742LKTVD97qRlkscPrQ--CVi5GvZ66zmvJ_JCq1Ne9qNtSkzA89Jk6oPBfpEZWX5a7n17PGCYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.09'>10:22</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I haven't seen that show, but I love that line because you're absolutely right. We do have to ask the right questions to get the right answers, and it's going to be an interesting year. So if you thought differently by now, you've probably had a rude awakening, doesn't mean that it's going to be bad, but that there is going to be a lot of change. And in the US we know that whenever we are in an election year, it drives a level of uncertainty, period, because you don't know what the next administration will do with policy. So it's really important for us to find a lane that we can dig deep into. As you were saying that too, I would advise all solo PR pros to go deeper into your clients. I know that we all usually work with a couple of key primary contacts, and we may have interaction with other staff members, but as you just said, Michelle, about asking the right questions, you need to do some relationship building beyond the current department.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vH_uHhNLexNGLmlk7qibmfK6o_woJRjBPZ9iSRoCVDadA41FiBd48XDKy7M9rtVH5n7a-2g2FWSh46FgxOXl_lBP2xA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=694.23'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>So get out of communications marketing and make some time to talk to somebody in finance and just ask, say, for my own knowledge, can we hop on the phone for 20 minutes? And I just want to hear more about your function of the business and what you're seeing so that you start to understand the future. And if you can't do that with your current clients, I understand sometimes that's not possible, then you need to make it your personal mission to network outside of PR people and start to talk to people in other functions. There are plenty of ways to do that. You can attend virtually webinars that are geared to other job functions, to learn about what they're seeing and the challenges they're facing, because the more that you understand business at large, the better equipped you are to begin asking different questions to get the right answers that are going to carry you through not only this year, but the next several years.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tp7WbSPp0CrSzovwTMDSE0pucAJi8U_6uz6_Ym96cEEW4IUgRG0Illsv6le7UWXciBmr4q9plmRmvznwX6sYcQEIRos?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.33'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>That is so true. And I did see something recently, of course, by the time this hits, it won't be so recent, but I was checking what the muckety mucks at the Davos meetings were saying, and they actually had a fairly bright outlook for 24. So amidst all this uncertainty, we're certainly not saying that the sky is falling. And they also noted that, which was a bit satisfying to me, to see that yes, we like ai, but they're not as gung-ho. Everyone's like, we're just going to use it for everything and it's going to be fine. These leaders and decision makers are saying, yes, we like it, but we realize that it has its limits. So the sky is not falling solos. But my goodness, there are opportunities out there for us to pursue, which is a wonderful thing. And that's the wonderful thing about being a solo.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-ZnxzJsOeHnlnTuo0y5koZ2YxT5kmhrS8E05IVS5aT4aBS7H2vJ_0X3ITopLiZzSrtbwom4NnNVHJJKoxPrUGFwkgOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.68'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>It is. And honestly, if you feel like your head is spinning, you're not alone. I am going to be 100% transparent and tell you that I have those days where I think I'm over all of this. Can I just retire right now and not care about any of this? So it can be exhausting to try to keep up and to continue to try and innovate and recreate your workflow and stay ahead of things, which is why you should definitely plug into our community. If you're a communicator, either in a small, in-house team or functioning as a solo or micro agency, go to solo pr pro.com and on our homepage, you'll see a join now button, and we encourage you to connect up with us because life is definitely a lot better when you have a room full of colleagues, a virtual room full of colleagues that understand what you're going through and can offer useful advice,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m32gSXsmO6t5mnb9acCIlrWZSLfhEJm2Ewt8_AE2UwcQX-ysL2wC3eiBfJuIuU4yjL8cslD2z6I32rmXXEwR9tRu2cs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=877.84'>14:37</a>):</p>
<p>They will, and they will make you smarter, and they will help you remember how smart you are. And so many times they will talk you off the, because they have me, I can give that unvarnished, vouch, vouch for respect. And we all need that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KDY4UzwlODrnk3TM6anAoIg_i3KnUPbxDC7KjQ1xFJuvopmxppb4o0n1IiSerYD9nxf1TPhoRCx1ceUYX6x-2PQaVHE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=897.44'>14:57</a>):</p>
<p>We all need that. I'm sorry. We have, and we're all hitting that ledge a little kind of frequently these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/khN1uo-4j4EoktWD2Df3YfkDqC8Ue95_pnL-oSz9i-DOuun50Dwtq-mnP5q3n4z3Swxwa6uWCl_Ku2CRputSSAChLUI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=904.37'>15:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, right. It's like, oh, because yeah, even though you work for yourself, it doesn't mean that you should do it alone. So we hope hundred percent. Yeah. Well, we hope this time together has been helpful for you. It's always helpful for us, even as we record these episodes. So please do go over to soloprpro.com, check it out, see if it's for you. I think it'll be, and please share this around if you found the content of value, we would really appreciate that. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and I am joined by my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:22):
Oh, I'm doing really well. Thank you. I can't complain because no one wants to hear it anyway, there
Karen Swim, APR (00:29):
You haven't. I think that we're all in that same boat. We actually all could complain, probably judging by the way, 2024 starting off. Not nice 24,
Michelle Kane (00:40):
Not
Karen Swim, APR (00:40):
Nice.
Michelle Kane (00:41):
It's being a little rude. Maybe it'll start rude and end nice. Who knows? But speaking of not being okay, we want to talk a little bit about the PR panic that we've seen and felt in the air. I mean, there's been a ton of uncertainty as the years go on the pandemic, just our sources diminishing, our media pitching being so much more difficult on an ever increasing pace. And there was an article in Axios recently that sort of speaks to that, but it sort of speaks to an overall theme of the pivot of pivoting to something new that the Axios piece specifically was speaking about the rise of challenger firms. How much of the top talent is leaving the larger PR agencies and either striking out on their own or forming smaller concerns, which, gosh, that sounds so familiar. Is there a model about that, about being a solo PR pro? So if you're listening to this as a solo, you're like, I've already done that, but it's just interesting to note for sure.
Karen Swim, APR (02:03):
Yeah, I think what's also not in that particular piece that we are definitely seeing a lot of is that we're seeing PR people as well as the media pivot their careers in different ways. So we're seeing PR people turn away from delivering PR services to serving the PR industry. So we've seen all kinds of PR sales agencies pop up. We're seeing paid media services, we're seeing people start newswires or database companies, or they're coaching, they're doing something adjacent to PR but not doing pr. And when you really think about it, because it can be a little bit disconcerting when you are bombarded with all of these changes, and you're also bombarded on a personal basis with how these changes are impacting your day-to-day job, the traditional job market has been tumultuous since the pandemic. And so it tracks that. We're seeing some of that chaos impact the PR industry. And let us not forget, unfortunately, that the industry at large for so many years has been driven by traditional PR services, meaning your in-house or it's a big agency. So that chaos now in the broader workforce market is really coming home to roost for PR people and automation has kicked it into a whole different gear.
(03:48):
So we're seeing a lot of uncertainty about not only the economy, but the work market, how much you have to work with, how much you'll be able to get resources to do the job you do. What people really think about your job is they are like, could I replace some of these functions or could I downsize and have two people do what a team used to do? Because I have automation? And those are all fair questions, but it definitely can be a little nauseating for PR people watching the spin and trying to figure out, okay, how do I keep my footing in the midst of all this?
Michelle Kane (04:27):
Right? And it can be very disconcerting and disturbing. I mean, look, we know that traditional outlets have been losing advertising dollars for]]></itunes:summary>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e-daeEcStbLd23IK2FuZVgzr3CHVVmhbqF41_GLH4TZ2yqio64G8wnCWjXAPUn4W17Ew-3dMVHOIlCqCEbCUuDOyYlQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How you doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PaEOB_EZwa5EIrBPXbb8SOT49PYNIZz1tsYO3NLbyVtYJMPxDtkqtNySmdff34gyPDMFL63Z3WNqAkWuGzj9LYakLLQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.68'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I am grateful, Michelle, grateful to be here, grateful for a new year, all of the things. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Za9wNPVcIr3sGe-UpFuNiwBJQEpxIufDQlB2sBJH9Y2ss0UBSuPtMx6Fg6yamaTT_eo0hVbB5g3_ovGI2cf3pI4-GFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.61'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I think that is wonderful. I too am even though, yeah, I feel like so far my theme has been discombobulation, but I think that's because everyone's back and just trying to get things organized for the weeks to come. So out of the perceived chaos, clarity, just work in the list. It's all we can do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIR2z6p8ueBayiE1XvnKzHQpa1s1q_Kf8rso9MG-prlEyQOmSzAM-oVFnbhxHcifZYKBFqtgtV4KbUupSS-Vw-NYSd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.46'>00:50</a>):</p>
<p>I think we're all feeling discombobulated. And that's a nice segue into our topic today.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fjGNybRI6ggZuSTEy9uOA1If_P2DUQL4z7qQ6EZoV9blvlX5p6AlnhfB1ZMItemgyGbWgWKCLoaabi03AzeOhem8qK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=59.43'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, it is. Yes. Today we're going to talk about, we often talk about solos who set up their shops as virtual agencies and really micro agencies, but what if you'd just rather prefer either making that shift or you just like working as a straight up solo? We haven't talked about that too much lately, and I think that's a lot of, that's where many of us sit. I know that's where I sit. I'll pull people onto a team, but I gratefully both consciously and just the way I have designed my business, I don't have people at the ready depending on my plate of work for theirs. It's just they're fellow solos I guess I would say. And we just try to work together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iVgH5wkK7kL6bmr0mMahfsuwh5gwrVP3k9yNJ5eLrtkSzR4mKLHbGaI97a5GFNxJdxBpBaTNv6mupXjKLPobroQVh6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.77'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>And so there are seasons in every solo's career. I think sometimes we forget that. We forget that just as in a corporate career, our careers will not always look the same year after year after year. There's nothing wrong with running a small agency. I do the same thing. However, I've had periods where it's less stressful to just do the work and to be on your own and as you said, to tap into help when you need help with something or to have somebody like an administrative person that can help with reports and help with some of the administrative tasks. And so I think that this topic arose because last year, so many solos and people, period, just professionals, people that were working were not happy in their jobs. And I want to speak to those people who have built that agency, have a team of people, but you are feeling the weight of it and you are burned out. You're not sure if you even want to continue this job. Here is another option if you're not quite ready to pivot out of PR and do something completely different.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L3lw4PqGJyQK7ih5RvTKE8G7kq1pG_lAaCrxYSNv8wlq-3VOEyvomwyC29BS7ur4NU0mp0ftCLrVBcQHb59WUFAvmBs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.16'>03:24</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. I think in many cases, working as a pure solo gives you a little more fluidity.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-SF6eZvLjA-9T7_kWUs4eIEyP2gEH1zAi4UVu4Ejw7LhgIl8mwmEchq67LoLR5nGYnWJyR7ja0R20TjrVbkvbQZWue0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.74'>03:32</a>):</p>
<p>It does</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dZTemdizPaBQ0c0qmR6LndUU7B_hMIBfKqOkjPs6iaRw2eK7zDiHwMRCJd8Nk4CqhMdvk2cQFBUNSULUSAkmG6W2zgk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.7'>03:33</a>):</p>
<p>The direction that you can take your work.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Jv2F4JVuNxaBNLIIz8aaCETnCA2u4f4jibcSwyHRUJ0RxHuA948E43XnaVjKYLDH4UPILV5hFI-Zuwu4if1pfwyR6kg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.6'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>It definitely does. I feel like when it's just you and I've had those periods, it can be beautiful because in a weird way, you feel like you have more control over your time because you can do things exactly when you want them exactly the way that you want to. And so there's a freedom that comes with it being just you, just you and the work. I will also say for me personally, in those periods when it's just been me, it's allowed me to once again touch and feel all of the work and reconnecting with that, even if it doesn't all go as planned initially, as you streamline down to just yourself, there is something satisfying about that. And it allows you to spot things that you can improve. Because when you take your hands off of the day-to-Day and the tactical, and you step into that role of leader full on, you do, and you have to become disconnected from the day-to-Day work out of necessity because your role changes. So going back to that can not only be fulfilling, but it can be a great thing for your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D2h6vNNeriAXh0hOLL896c1-U0-ZikhzemD6eUjZ_efOmfCvZBCvmQktNlIfV3yDdd1DOe6BqIideXvFEWHQWl5jaM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.16'>04:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. And I think too, it really helps you sharpen your tools because it's just you. And I know when I say that, your listeners might be thinking, oh, stop saying that. It's so scary. But honestly, it allows you to do certain types of work, types of work where, I mean, here's the deal right now I've got a plate where I'm in charge and there are some things where I am not in charge. And it's a nice mix I have to say. It gives that part of your brain of rest and it does allow you to get in, do the work, experience it in the midst of the new AI tools and everything, and it just keeps you in the game a little bit. And I think in a way it's kind of wise because it keeps you prepared no matter which way you decide to go.</p>
<p>If you decide to ramp up and build out your business again, to have an active team that's with you all the time, great, it makes you that much better for it. But if you just want to pare down, if you decide to say, you know what? I've had it. I just want to write. That's all I want to do. I don't want to do strategy. I don't want to think about those things for a while. I just want to seek out writing projects. Okay, totally do that because you know what I would think in many cases, you're going to at the very least brush up against fellow professionals and you're still going to get to glean things from them. You're still going to have some level of interaction. So it's not like you're holding up somewhere and just hiding. You're not. You're just doing your work in a different way. And if that feels better for you in this moment, I say go for it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fHMIGrwwlVRouISxCnFRNwy7QhRn0hgpbhPjWhGY7PMAGG9hZw-odYOmEle3Uy31zi4TUo-gZeBHnaRaAclH9N9B4p0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=404.45'>06:44</a>):</p>
<p>100% agree. I would also say that when you pare down and you decide to go as a solo, I think one of the scarier things for people doing that is that they're worried about their income levels. So here's where you have to be strategic with your own business. Sometimes we're strategic with our client work, but we forget to be strategic with our business. Sit down and do a little bit of math. When you have a team of people and you're paying people and you're paying higher taxes and you're doing this and you're adding up your time, what is your true income to yourself? To yourself, not revenue for the business, but to yourself. So those big numbers can be deceiving. Now sit down and think about if I had a couple of accounts that were small accounts, 10,000 a month say, and I had fewer accounts and it was just me, how much is my income?</p>
<p>You might surprise yourself in discovering that you know what if you hair down to what you can really handle on your own? And remember, you can also add other income streams because you can have multiple income streams working that produce a little here, a little there. With your main business being your client accounts, you could make more and maybe relieve yourself of some stress. I saw a story on social media this week, and it was from a woman founder who had handed over the reins of her company to a different leader after seven years. And she described the final meeting where she was handing over the reins via Zoom. And by her own words, she said she cried through the entire meeting, but she didn't cry because she was sad. She didn't cry because she felt she had fell. She cried because she felt the weight lifting from her shoulders of carrying the people, carrying the organization, carrying the cause.</p>
<p>Some of you right now are feeling that burden and we don't often talk the other side of running an agency, particularly in these tumultuous times that we have lived through that responsibility for other people's income. The responsibility for setting the tone and keeping everyone upbeat and enthusiastic, the responsibility for overseeing all of the work. Leadership has such great joys. I enjoy it. But it also comes with responsibilities. Let's be honest about that. And sometimes we need a break from it. We need a break from that. We need to step back and recharge ourselves. And I don't want anyone to feel that you failed. If that's your decision today, it's not a failure, it's just another step in your journey. And I want to encourage you to be brave enough to take that step if that's what you need to do. And as I said, it can be so freeing.</p>
<p>It can feel so good to just let it be about you and the work, there's a weird peace that comes. It's just like a peaceful way to work. It's like it's just you and it's like, I'm going to work a couple hours and then I'm going to go walk my dog or do a little laundry, or I'm going to cook myself a really nice lunch and sit down and actually enjoy it. I mean, whatever moves you because you can structure your workday the way that you want because for once, you're only in charge of yourself. And if you haven't experienced this in a long time, I'm telling you, it can be really beautiful. Now, if you're humming along and you are happy leading a team and doing the things, then this is of course not for you. Tuck it away for the day that may come in your future where it will be for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K6WCDOHpsXJpQDucW5XSmY7_aklLEvvImyNKPcTX-CKtockQWvupWTm5bmrDFRX5ZaqpAHa88kQObIHdgbS7ax9Acpw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=640.89'>10:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. And I think sometimes we put too much pressure on ourselves. I know that's a shock, but not just in this profession because I have friends and colleagues in other professions that feel like, oh no, I should have a buzzing office, or I should have a lot of people working in my business. And I ask them the question, well, what do you like to do? If you were able to make enough money to support yourself either way, would you rather be managing people and cultivating people or would you rather be doing the work that brings you joy? And there's no wrong answer there. That's the beauty of it. There really is no wrong answer. But if you're definitely, you're seeking a little peace and a little just ability to not be in charge all the time, then it could be time to just be a pure solo for a while. That's okay. It doesn't mean you're not going to pick up work that involves a team along the way. No, I think that's what comes down to it, right? The way we run our businesses is because we want to structure them in the way that best suits us at any given time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7wKuS2pNqnZ70RTH2OfYoa9-BFYIduxvRj6ITAZ5RHDA09xgmbcgrO4v9JlHcXkClbBlPq7_csNzb6teGNi0VnwWEZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=712.87'>11:52</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you said a mouthful, and you're right. And I feel that we're in this time where we are, the past couple of years, all of us collectively, the collective we of human beings that work have really began to take a deep look at how we work, why we work, what really brings us satisfaction and fulfillment in our careers. And so we've pushed back against some of those old narratives that were pushed on us. Thank God. We've seen death to the hustle culture. We've seen grinding go out of fashion. I never liked that. I don't think that. Why are we grinding as human beings, grinding ourselves down to a stump? And that's really what we did. And really we've reclaimed our desire and our hunger for having more in our life than just work and striking a different balance. So I feel like in this season, it is a good time for us to consider why we're building and scaling in that way.</p>
<p>Is it because we were on that train of build, build, build, and I got to have more and more and more because sometimes less truly is more and less can give you the freedom to explore some avenues of your business that you might be missing now that you really enjoy. And I will say that the older I get, the more this message resonates with me, that life is truly too short to not be fulfilled in your work, to wake up every day dreading what you do and to carrying around burdens and weights that you don't have to. So if you need to free yourself, free yourself, and guess what? There's so many clients out there that actually want to work with a solo, especially in these times. They want you, so don't be afraid to do it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Wx7QfarMuF2LLpdK3SaxlNafuxcZlJlpYg-b_iqu8fwNrvF3TeGJiEup7oUeqQ-tvIGRUO2pIqU47LD9vAceb9kdMpE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=836.05'>13:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think that's what we've been speaking to as well. Life changes whether you're raising a family. And so as your children get older and age out and maybe you just want to work differently, and that's totally okay. And I think yes, the business landscape is speaking to that. Companies don't, even if you say, oh, it's a micro agency, or it's a small agency that may still, who knows some people that may still scare them away. But if you just say, no, I'm your comms pro, I'm your marketing department, you don't have one, now you do. It's me. And I think you can still have a very fulfilling, fulfilling career. And I encourage everyone just sit back and take stock. I think it's so easy for all of us to just steam ahead, okay, this is what I do.</p>
<p>This is what I do this month. This is what I do this time of year. And just take a minute and think, check in with yourself. Alright, how does this feel? Does this still feel good to me? Am I still doing this out of necessity or am I doing it because I want to? So there's all of our challenges. I'm talking to me too. Well, we hope you've gotten something out of our time together today. If you do, please do share this episode around. We would so appreciate that. Pop in a review here and there, and always be on the lookout. Sign up for news@celloprpro.com because as we announced last week, the doors will soon be opening for membership. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e-daeEcStbLd23IK2FuZVgzr3CHVVmhbqF41_GLH4TZ2yqio64G8wnCWjXAPUn4W17Ew-3dMVHOIlCqCEbCUuDOyYlQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How you doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PaEOB_EZwa5EIrBPXbb8SOT49PYNIZz1tsYO3NLbyVtYJMPxDtkqtNySmdff34gyPDMFL63Z3WNqAkWuGzj9LYakLLQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.68'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I am grateful, Michelle, grateful to be here, grateful for a new year, all of the things. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Za9wNPVcIr3sGe-UpFuNiwBJQEpxIufDQlB2sBJH9Y2ss0UBSuPtMx6Fg6yamaTT_eo0hVbB5g3_ovGI2cf3pI4-GFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.61'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I think that is wonderful. I too am even though, yeah, I feel like so far my theme has been discombobulation, but I think that's because everyone's back and just trying to get things organized for the weeks to come. So out of the perceived chaos, clarity, just work in the list. It's all we can do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIR2z6p8ueBayiE1XvnKzHQpa1s1q_Kf8rso9MG-prlEyQOmSzAM-oVFnbhxHcifZYKBFqtgtV4KbUupSS-Vw-NYSd0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=50.46'>00:50</a>):</p>
<p>I think we're all feeling discombobulated. And that's a nice segue into our topic today.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fjGNybRI6ggZuSTEy9uOA1If_P2DUQL4z7qQ6EZoV9blvlX5p6AlnhfB1ZMItemgyGbWgWKCLoaabi03AzeOhem8qK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=59.43'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, it is. Yes. Today we're going to talk about, we often talk about solos who set up their shops as virtual agencies and really micro agencies, but what if you'd just rather prefer either making that shift or you just like working as a straight up solo? We haven't talked about that too much lately, and I think that's a lot of, that's where many of us sit. I know that's where I sit. I'll pull people onto a team, but I gratefully both consciously and just the way I have designed my business, I don't have people at the ready depending on my plate of work for theirs. It's just they're fellow solos I guess I would say. And we just try to work together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iVgH5wkK7kL6bmr0mMahfsuwh5gwrVP3k9yNJ5eLrtkSzR4mKLHbGaI97a5GFNxJdxBpBaTNv6mupXjKLPobroQVh6k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.77'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>And so there are seasons in every solo's career. I think sometimes we forget that. We forget that just as in a corporate career, our careers will not always look the same year after year after year. There's nothing wrong with running a small agency. I do the same thing. However, I've had periods where it's less stressful to just do the work and to be on your own and as you said, to tap into help when you need help with something or to have somebody like an administrative person that can help with reports and help with some of the administrative tasks. And so I think that this topic arose because last year, so many solos and people, period, just professionals, people that were working were not happy in their jobs. And I want to speak to those people who have built that agency, have a team of people, but you are feeling the weight of it and you are burned out. You're not sure if you even want to continue this job. Here is another option if you're not quite ready to pivot out of PR and do something completely different.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L3lw4PqGJyQK7ih5RvTKE8G7kq1pG_lAaCrxYSNv8wlq-3VOEyvomwyC29BS7ur4NU0mp0ftCLrVBcQHb59WUFAvmBs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=204.16'>03:24</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. I think in many cases, working as a pure solo gives you a little more fluidity.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-SF6eZvLjA-9T7_kWUs4eIEyP2gEH1zAi4UVu4Ejw7LhgIl8mwmEchq67LoLR5nGYnWJyR7ja0R20TjrVbkvbQZWue0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=212.74'>03:32</a>):</p>
<p>It does</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dZTemdizPaBQ0c0qmR6LndUU7B_hMIBfKqOkjPs6iaRw2eK7zDiHwMRCJd8Nk4CqhMdvk2cQFBUNSULUSAkmG6W2zgk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=213.7'>03:33</a>):</p>
<p>The direction that you can take your work.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Jv2F4JVuNxaBNLIIz8aaCETnCA2u4f4jibcSwyHRUJ0RxHuA948E43XnaVjKYLDH4UPILV5hFI-Zuwu4if1pfwyR6kg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.6'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>It definitely does. I feel like when it's just you and I've had those periods, it can be beautiful because in a weird way, you feel like you have more control over your time because you can do things exactly when you want them exactly the way that you want to. And so there's a freedom that comes with it being just you, just you and the work. I will also say for me personally, in those periods when it's just been me, it's allowed me to once again touch and feel all of the work and reconnecting with that, even if it doesn't all go as planned initially, as you streamline down to just yourself, there is something satisfying about that. And it allows you to spot things that you can improve. Because when you take your hands off of the day-to-Day and the tactical, and you step into that role of leader full on, you do, and you have to become disconnected from the day-to-Day work out of necessity because your role changes. So going back to that can not only be fulfilling, but it can be a great thing for your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D2h6vNNeriAXh0hOLL896c1-U0-ZikhzemD6eUjZ_efOmfCvZBCvmQktNlIfV3yDdd1DOe6BqIideXvFEWHQWl5jaM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=294.16'>04:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. And I think too, it really helps you sharpen your tools because it's just you. And I know when I say that, your listeners might be thinking, oh, stop saying that. It's so scary. But honestly, it allows you to do certain types of work, types of work where, I mean, here's the deal right now I've got a plate where I'm in charge and there are some things where I am not in charge. And it's a nice mix I have to say. It gives that part of your brain of rest and it does allow you to get in, do the work, experience it in the midst of the new AI tools and everything, and it just keeps you in the game a little bit. And I think in a way it's kind of wise because it keeps you prepared no matter which way you decide to go.</p>
<p>If you decide to ramp up and build out your business again, to have an active team that's with you all the time, great, it makes you that much better for it. But if you just want to pare down, if you decide to say, you know what? I've had it. I just want to write. That's all I want to do. I don't want to do strategy. I don't want to think about those things for a while. I just want to seek out writing projects. Okay, totally do that because you know what I would think in many cases, you're going to at the very least brush up against fellow professionals and you're still going to get to glean things from them. You're still going to have some level of interaction. So it's not like you're holding up somewhere and just hiding. You're not. You're just doing your work in a different way. And if that feels better for you in this moment, I say go for it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fHMIGrwwlVRouISxCnFRNwy7QhRn0hgpbhPjWhGY7PMAGG9hZw-odYOmEle3Uy31zi4TUo-gZeBHnaRaAclH9N9B4p0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=404.45'>06:44</a>):</p>
<p>100% agree. I would also say that when you pare down and you decide to go as a solo, I think one of the scarier things for people doing that is that they're worried about their income levels. So here's where you have to be strategic with your own business. Sometimes we're strategic with our client work, but we forget to be strategic with our business. Sit down and do a little bit of math. When you have a team of people and you're paying people and you're paying higher taxes and you're doing this and you're adding up your time, what is your true income to yourself? To yourself, not revenue for the business, but to yourself. So those big numbers can be deceiving. Now sit down and think about if I had a couple of accounts that were small accounts, 10,000 a month say, and I had fewer accounts and it was just me, how much is my income?</p>
<p>You might surprise yourself in discovering that you know what if you hair down to what you can really handle on your own? And remember, you can also add other income streams because you can have multiple income streams working that produce a little here, a little there. With your main business being your client accounts, you could make more and maybe relieve yourself of some stress. I saw a story on social media this week, and it was from a woman founder who had handed over the reins of her company to a different leader after seven years. And she described the final meeting where she was handing over the reins via Zoom. And by her own words, she said she cried through the entire meeting, but she didn't cry because she was sad. She didn't cry because she felt she had fell. She cried because she felt the weight lifting from her shoulders of carrying the people, carrying the organization, carrying the cause.</p>
<p>Some of you right now are feeling that burden and we don't often talk the other side of running an agency, particularly in these tumultuous times that we have lived through that responsibility for other people's income. The responsibility for setting the tone and keeping everyone upbeat and enthusiastic, the responsibility for overseeing all of the work. Leadership has such great joys. I enjoy it. But it also comes with responsibilities. Let's be honest about that. And sometimes we need a break from it. We need a break from that. We need to step back and recharge ourselves. And I don't want anyone to feel that you failed. If that's your decision today, it's not a failure, it's just another step in your journey. And I want to encourage you to be brave enough to take that step if that's what you need to do. And as I said, it can be so freeing.</p>
<p>It can feel so good to just let it be about you and the work, there's a weird peace that comes. It's just like a peaceful way to work. It's like it's just you and it's like, I'm going to work a couple hours and then I'm going to go walk my dog or do a little laundry, or I'm going to cook myself a really nice lunch and sit down and actually enjoy it. I mean, whatever moves you because you can structure your workday the way that you want because for once, you're only in charge of yourself. And if you haven't experienced this in a long time, I'm telling you, it can be really beautiful. Now, if you're humming along and you are happy leading a team and doing the things, then this is of course not for you. Tuck it away for the day that may come in your future where it will be for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K6WCDOHpsXJpQDucW5XSmY7_aklLEvvImyNKPcTX-CKtockQWvupWTm5bmrDFRX5ZaqpAHa88kQObIHdgbS7ax9Acpw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=640.89'>10:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. And I think sometimes we put too much pressure on ourselves. I know that's a shock, but not just in this profession because I have friends and colleagues in other professions that feel like, oh no, I should have a buzzing office, or I should have a lot of people working in my business. And I ask them the question, well, what do you like to do? If you were able to make enough money to support yourself either way, would you rather be managing people and cultivating people or would you rather be doing the work that brings you joy? And there's no wrong answer there. That's the beauty of it. There really is no wrong answer. But if you're definitely, you're seeking a little peace and a little just ability to not be in charge all the time, then it could be time to just be a pure solo for a while. That's okay. It doesn't mean you're not going to pick up work that involves a team along the way. No, I think that's what comes down to it, right? The way we run our businesses is because we want to structure them in the way that best suits us at any given time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7wKuS2pNqnZ70RTH2OfYoa9-BFYIduxvRj6ITAZ5RHDA09xgmbcgrO4v9JlHcXkClbBlPq7_csNzb6teGNi0VnwWEZk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=712.87'>11:52</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you said a mouthful, and you're right. And I feel that we're in this time where we are, the past couple of years, all of us collectively, the collective we of human beings that work have really began to take a deep look at how we work, why we work, what really brings us satisfaction and fulfillment in our careers. And so we've pushed back against some of those old narratives that were pushed on us. Thank God. We've seen death to the hustle culture. We've seen grinding go out of fashion. I never liked that. I don't think that. Why are we grinding as human beings, grinding ourselves down to a stump? And that's really what we did. And really we've reclaimed our desire and our hunger for having more in our life than just work and striking a different balance. So I feel like in this season, it is a good time for us to consider why we're building and scaling in that way.</p>
<p>Is it because we were on that train of build, build, build, and I got to have more and more and more because sometimes less truly is more and less can give you the freedom to explore some avenues of your business that you might be missing now that you really enjoy. And I will say that the older I get, the more this message resonates with me, that life is truly too short to not be fulfilled in your work, to wake up every day dreading what you do and to carrying around burdens and weights that you don't have to. So if you need to free yourself, free yourself, and guess what? There's so many clients out there that actually want to work with a solo, especially in these times. They want you, so don't be afraid to do it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Wx7QfarMuF2LLpdK3SaxlNafuxcZlJlpYg-b_iqu8fwNrvF3TeGJiEup7oUeqQ-tvIGRUO2pIqU47LD9vAceb9kdMpE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=836.05'>13:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I couldn't agree more. And I think that's what we've been speaking to as well. Life changes whether you're raising a family. And so as your children get older and age out and maybe you just want to work differently, and that's totally okay. And I think yes, the business landscape is speaking to that. Companies don't, even if you say, oh, it's a micro agency, or it's a small agency that may still, who knows some people that may still scare them away. But if you just say, no, I'm your comms pro, I'm your marketing department, you don't have one, now you do. It's me. And I think you can still have a very fulfilling, fulfilling career. And I encourage everyone just sit back and take stock. I think it's so easy for all of us to just steam ahead, okay, this is what I do.</p>
<p>This is what I do this month. This is what I do this time of year. And just take a minute and think, check in with yourself. Alright, how does this feel? Does this still feel good to me? Am I still doing this out of necessity or am I doing it because I want to? So there's all of our challenges. I'm talking to me too. Well, we hope you've gotten something out of our time together today. If you do, please do share this episode around. We would so appreciate that. Pop in a review here and there, and always be on the lookout. Sign up for news@celloprpro.com because as we announced last week, the doors will soon be opening for membership. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Transcript
Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How you doing?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
I am grateful, Michelle, grateful to be here, grateful for a new year, all of the things. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:26):
I think that is wonderful. I too am even though, yeah, I feel like so far my theme has been discombobulation, but I think that's because everyone's back and just trying to get things organized for the weeks to come. So out of the perceived chaos, clarity, just work in the list. It's all we can do.
Karen Swim, APR (00:50):
I think we're all feeling discombobulated. And that's a nice segue into our topic today.
Michelle Kane (00:59):
Yes, it is. Yes. Today we're going to talk about, we often talk about solos who set up their shops as virtual agencies and really micro agencies, but what if you'd just rather prefer either making that shift or you just like working as a straight up solo? We haven't talked about that too much lately, and I think that's a lot of, that's where many of us sit. I know that's where I sit. I'll pull people onto a team, but I gratefully both consciously and just the way I have designed my business, I don't have people at the ready depending on my plate of work for theirs. It's just they're fellow solos I guess I would say. And we just try to work together.
Karen Swim, APR (01:55):
And so there are seasons in every solo's career. I think sometimes we forget that. We forget that just as in a corporate career, our careers will not always look the same year after year after year. There's nothing wrong with running a small agency. I do the same thing. However, I've had periods where it's less stressful to just do the work and to be on your own and as you said, to tap into help when you need help with something or to have somebody like an administrative person that can help with reports and help with some of the administrative tasks. And so I think that this topic arose because last year, so many solos and people, period, just professionals, people that were working were not happy in their jobs. And I want to speak to those people who have built that agency, have a team of people, but you are feeling the weight of it and you are burned out. You're not sure if you even want to continue this job. Here is another option if you're not quite ready to pivot out of PR and do something completely different.
Michelle Kane (03:24):
Right, right. I think in many cases, working as a pure solo gives you a little more fluidity.
Karen Swim, APR (03:32):
It does
Michelle Kane (03:33):
The direction that you can take your work.
Karen Swim, APR (03:37):
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Did you start the new year determined to keep a calm and purposeful pace? How’s that going so far? In this episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how it is – really, it is – possible to be as productive as ever and stay off the hamster wheel.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ezPmo6NAHfhmwrvs33bJ90XIjE4G4Wvejnxl1HTcSyzyiIkfEbnauGxQ7T1-fc6Lchz6g8pMDMsoYJvAD8rjoFR-iWY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.45'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. I don't know, maybe I'm working on a theme song for you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vM5ezL6-OMXefS3Z6WFwZVTys6zYp8lgIEW5cN1qvZMz_CDJ6nBCAC6dUpTvxN7o0V0fCj_FFY6InFTWZnVxWHM2CMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.89'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>I love a good theme song. I think we should all have a theme song.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0vIsGu0EFSoylfzRGc3MMC2NN-ESJA_Nf1Dnn_o42hjDUs8DCOL_SbfrJSUincRTdmCxiNepUGwhkHVz_aXa_MurYUs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.03'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>My friends and I used to joke about that. What would be your walkup song? Of course, I don't have a good idea at the moment, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9bRKWvbQTFpS1vTEKWkHpLyECH4HedSAa8IJwvqDxe6JjTFzJXGnvJI8ZFjJyaSiu_sdbbXrr7v1wh8A3TEu0z-8mlw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.57'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, when you're a speaker, you have those songs. I have songs that get me going, and sometimes I have a few that I have on rotation like, okay, I need my song. It's mine. But I mean personalized custom theme song. I think we should all have one.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jNH4Q6TyGWCRjK9L99K2ldMviNbvMSLEd4pQF3dMBOI_nhkAh8offXBiai0AEKzGqFVVyR3Qqsj9A3rGTf0fxJbp8RM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.1'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, that's something for all of us to think about and hit us up at soloprpro.com if you have some of them ready. But that kind of aligns with our topic today, since we are likely around mid-January by now, and the newness of the year might be the luster might be falling off and fading. So we want to talk about all the ways that we can keep ourselves motivated and keep ourselves shiny and just ready for this year, ready to make it as best a year as we can. And if that's a walkup song, awesome.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dh_S_IjnzVxgELKky86fFPor_TR8vEMzRLrzX6gM0gfGIX-GlHiC_pTtFwM64WO0UF9DTI6p82xaFMQjInOFhA8UNXY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.13'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love it.</p>
<p>We all know what happens in January, bright shiny new year and we're ready for it, blank slate. And we're all full of, we're coming off that holidays where we celebrate it, although this year we're exhausted, but January's a good month. It's fresh, and we have these resolutions or these goals that we set collectively not just as solos, and then somewhere around mid-month, a lot of stuff starts to fall away because reality hits. Yet you come back to an inbox that's overflowing and your clients want stuff and the dog threw up and the kids got kicked out of school. There's projects due. There's too many athletic events. Your mother-in-law's is being a pain, whatever it is, life intervenes and suddenly those goals you miss a day, then another day, then another day, and then it's just a memory.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KPXfQ7YGGpJ-D6yRaOWLTuu2xDmIc4YgQ3tagzNbaMZnMQpgwVkm7U2dOu6vQgDwHVo7KhQT5tYBB--u6nTYdmPbzWY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.73'>02:41</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Then you're back on the hamster wheel.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gN-FnjQ52KNLZD5c7wwwKcxLRgZwW369p1rrBIp0fGP18WNZoMmJo0yhPlWyFSgZzyY-DHgN_IhR6BxrrcIIzV43GSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.25'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you're on the hamster wheel. So what today we want to just talk about some of the ways that we can keep that positive momentum that comes in January going through the rest of the year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7nCbMlnKZym1-t4HK_CuxCnDArBz722seBLS_i9hEof0HfXJqIwdgQUVA_yA36MQD8yecNcEfSEma1r7yqlTfmE_bus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.02'>02:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think one way that I'm really trying to be conscious of is to just take a pause when you sense that steamroll mentality or when that steamroll activity is about to set off and it does help, I think for nothing else, the primary point of I do have the power to take even 30 seconds and say, okay, what's next? And I think if you allow yourself those moments, even if it's just once a day, I think you'll see that your sticktoitiveness is definitely helpful. Yeah. Let's face it, by the time this time of year hits, we've blown through all the Christmas chocolates, so our sugar cravings are kicking in and we're like, what do you mean? I only have rice cakes and maybe you've finally taken down the holiday lights, which I am always sad about. I'm thinking leave them up through February. Winter is bleak enough. But I think just taking whatever time you need to reset yourself as often as you need to, I think is one helpful way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tMU3brSDvNJNhbQg6maXjsAT4lrVotdyyRkhUwlOhmumf7ngwzphxCrNAI6wweLWyJs0dv56lz4eg7tFs2pFK8cHtIk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.26'>04:23</a>):</p>
<p>I also think getting in the habit of gratitude, so we know that gratitude journals or writing something you're thankful for on a piece of paper, putting it in a jar, so now you have a jar that you're collecting that you just pull out. But something that I've gone back to doing this year that I had gotten away from is at the end of every week, I just take a couple minutes and I already have a physical planner and I already have little blocks set up. I write down what went well this week and then what I need to improve. So if I am working on a goal and I didn't hit the goal every day, that's okay. What can I do to make sure that next week I'm getting better at it? And I always keep this mantra that has stayed with me for years progress, not perfection.</p>
<p>I think sometimes when we set out, we think that we have to be perfect at things, and then when we become imperfect, we let it go. I don't do that. I just look at, hey, this is my baseline and you're not going to start out something and be perfect. That's what the whole goal is about, and the whole journey is about, it's learning to get better at it. And so taking that time every week to just be honest about, okay, what could I have improved this week? And then write that down so that next week I have a plan to handle those little stumbles. And then what went well? What were the wins? Because what I find is that if you don't write it down where you can look at it, you forget about all the things that went really well because something goes well, and then 10 million things come at you and you forget and you're running to the next thing and you're doing the next thing, and it's like you forget, Hey, my client sent me this really nice email that said how great I was. Or Wow, this campaign went off flawlessly or, wow, this media hit that I've been chasing finally came through. We forget. And when you write it down, you have this nice little record from week to week. And I think that that keeps your positive energy going when you reflect on that routinely and you're not sucked into of it all.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/laBbW1rah1sQj_JB4Q2rBtkuyTCyl6qm9qV2-1jD6KKmIG0irjw2APRxoFa0UX2MRX6Z5w9_IAwTYVtuR-y3GBT1TFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=403.34'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, it definitely gives you reminders of what you have accomplished. Not that accomplishment is the be all end all, but they're nice little pick me ups, little, little sunshine notes of, Hey, it's okay. And I think all too often we do not celebrate our successes enough. We don't celebrate our wins. And I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that we're sitting at our desk by ourselves. I'm like, do I high five myself? I do. I might let out a little woo. But I think it is important to document those, and I think that's a great idea to keep track</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e6Uk-eCtbQAjIADBT3X1LEC4grnVwQa51ZJ4fROzPIBn0I3FNW-YqXWdG0bDwARiBjoYAfo7ioq4M3REgZGLlpIoIeg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=441.08'>07:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think also, I love what you just said about celebrating ourselves when you're working on a goal, they always have you build in a reward for yourself when you hit your goal, there's a reward, but I think that we should build in rewards for ourself, period. As so will PR pros, why not just reward that you're doing the work and that you are working towards something? It doesn't have to be fully formed for you to celebrate your progress and what you're learning along the way. And so treat yourself, maybe it's a once a month or a once a quarter thing that you do. Doesn't have to be something big, but write down a list of rewards that would really motivate you personally and build them into your year. Write them in your calendar when you're going to give yourself that reward and sit down right now and plan out the next three, six, or even the rest of the year with your rewards because that again, is a way to keep your energy levels high and to be positive.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Lk2FzfvfnFEClKYQ1-JZiayOUxWIhIecqq0ZuZN4vubHfY3Pi61Mr9Ba66jZfBGgP2TU0T-iPatT4FoZFQn6S_c9P0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.34'>08:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think too, especially coming off a holiday season where you may or may not have gotten the quality time off you thought you would, and I just mean that, hey, let's face it, it's buying gifts…it's so tough for some of us, it's cooking more, right? We're doing holiday meals and they are special things to us and we're glad we do it, but it may not have been actual time off. And a wise person once said to me that I should at least once a quarter have a three day weekend and have I done this? No, I have not. But this year I'm thinking, yeah, I probably need to do that. And when you plan for it, it's easier to actually have it. And I know this sounds so basic and probably borderline silly, but I have a feeling many of you are nodding your heads of like, yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hJH47IukMyYEfgFpzLL6i8W8CIPpq_q0w63xFCKwp5cFbSvVc1MWzynqtkgV1Tpzg82XyIA9pAL5PzvelYMlf2kyT88?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=563.58'>09:23</a>):</p>
<p>Put it in your calendar. Last year I had marked off three days off the week after next, they were in my calendar. So guess what? Nothing got scheduled. It was already on my calendar. I made an appointment with myself to give myself three days off. And I don't know why I picked those days last year, but I'm glad that I have this practice of looking ahead and just looking at some days and blocking them off. Now, you also should block off time for, obviously you want to plan longer vacations for yourself or go away, but don't neglect to plan out those days where you're just off. And whatever you choose to do with those days, if you choose to go away for a weekend where you choose to stay home, whatever, just have the time off already planned for yourself. And don't give in to somebody saying, oh, well, can you meet on that day? No, I'm going to be off.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIV9EwmG9_rp-WwN6jyVeFyEKUoO4RzHUGqttzjIkL2AcwIrk7aBSijqOK_7bLWTfSdMKGjKmagY2qt9-wVudB8huG8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=620.52'>10:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. It's so easy to succumb to, oh, I can catch up on this or that. I mean, I have a friend who, she's had an ample break over the holiday and that's wonderful. And she's like, oh, I'm going to clean out my cupboards and we'd wipe this down. I'm like, wow, deep cleaning. That's awesome. I think, when would I ever time to do that? I'm like, oh, right, you have time off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WyR2dlUKW73_pJRtbl4C5KL_KJphatP5Bxfq9ULczlT8Mm3pwKlc7iyxi9jy7EDYoC3N3aWbho2gwJOZvdiEMN-nVYw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=649.11'>10:49</a>):</p>
<p>You have time off. But there's something to be said for time off, really being time off too and a break and not doing any of those things that feel like work. Cleaning and organizing is my happy place, but I've also learned that there is something special about not doing those things and actually having a day off where you just are resting or reading a book or seeing a movie and not doing work-like things, things that are productive and adult</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qN-zyfJrthp-KcRUathmwkLz0_i6-ShB0ZttwhFUporPxYvqcEJXnnh10Sv0l6Kghi0WQZ84yo_AfnPSraXKFPPsOoc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.06'>11:24</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and isn't that the key? Right? Don't feel like you always have to be productive. Having a work ethic is a wonderful thing, but I think all too often we can use it as a bludgeon on ourselves of, well, I can't just sit here. I can't just sit here and stare at infomercials all day, even though sometimes that's what you need. You just need to disengage. But don't raise the bar so high all the time. It's okay to just not try and think of what would a perfect day look like if you could do whatever you wanted to do. And I'm not saying take the private jet that you don't have somewhere. I mean, realistically, what would you do? Would it be a novel thing to get your nail, go have a nail appointment at 2:00 PM on a Thursday? Probably do it. It's those little things that'll get you through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PccdoRJt6FYWiPTIFN5uJnHAEDeNX3lIV8dhvODIUnivXuCXuU3tv4zrq_lQEz2yBzXL4Wc3IyfIETwwB0p-n08DD3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=742.36'>12:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, but plan it. Write it down. I think that's the key to staying positive this year. And it doesn't mean that we're not going to have those days and have your go-to things that lift your mood. Maybe it's a playlist. Maybe it's a friend or a colleague. Maybe it's a particular book that always lifts your spirits, have your go-tos so that again, focus on remaining joyful and upbeat and positive this year because there's a lot of things around us out in the wild, in the natural environment that are trying to bring us down. And while we live in this world and we need to participate in it, you don't have to let it drain your mood. And so we want to make sure that you keep your energy level stable this year and that your enthusiasm for living your best life remains high all year long.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K0Zt6AeeGzj_GE1iaFSZ973A_nZhQ0zE2Y3P0a3Zs0tQmxQ9hOosHChZh2Y4FrMArFxFRQquhFNdDh7xZXuNtsOJ8Lk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=799.54'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>Couldn't have said it any better myself, and doing this for yourself will only make you better at your business. Well, we thank you for listening. We thank you for taking this time with us, and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you start the new year determined to keep a calm and purposeful pace? How’s that going so far? In this episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how it is – really, it is – possible to be as productive as ever and stay off the hamster wheel.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ezPmo6NAHfhmwrvs33bJ90XIjE4G4Wvejnxl1HTcSyzyiIkfEbnauGxQ7T1-fc6Lchz6g8pMDMsoYJvAD8rjoFR-iWY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.45'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. I don't know, maybe I'm working on a theme song for you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vM5ezL6-OMXefS3Z6WFwZVTys6zYp8lgIEW5cN1qvZMz_CDJ6nBCAC6dUpTvxN7o0V0fCj_FFY6InFTWZnVxWHM2CMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.89'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>I love a good theme song. I think we should all have a theme song.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0vIsGu0EFSoylfzRGc3MMC2NN-ESJA_Nf1Dnn_o42hjDUs8DCOL_SbfrJSUincRTdmCxiNepUGwhkHVz_aXa_MurYUs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.03'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>My friends and I used to joke about that. What would be your walkup song? Of course, I don't have a good idea at the moment, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9bRKWvbQTFpS1vTEKWkHpLyECH4HedSAa8IJwvqDxe6JjTFzJXGnvJI8ZFjJyaSiu_sdbbXrr7v1wh8A3TEu0z-8mlw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.57'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, when you're a speaker, you have those songs. I have songs that get me going, and sometimes I have a few that I have on rotation like, okay, I need my song. It's mine. But I mean personalized custom theme song. I think we should all have one.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jNH4Q6TyGWCRjK9L99K2ldMviNbvMSLEd4pQF3dMBOI_nhkAh8offXBiai0AEKzGqFVVyR3Qqsj9A3rGTf0fxJbp8RM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.1'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, that's something for all of us to think about and hit us up at soloprpro.com if you have some of them ready. But that kind of aligns with our topic today, since we are likely around mid-January by now, and the newness of the year might be the luster might be falling off and fading. So we want to talk about all the ways that we can keep ourselves motivated and keep ourselves shiny and just ready for this year, ready to make it as best a year as we can. And if that's a walkup song, awesome.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dh_S_IjnzVxgELKky86fFPor_TR8vEMzRLrzX6gM0gfGIX-GlHiC_pTtFwM64WO0UF9DTI6p82xaFMQjInOFhA8UNXY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=97.13'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love it.</p>
<p>We all know what happens in January, bright shiny new year and we're ready for it, blank slate. And we're all full of, we're coming off that holidays where we celebrate it, although this year we're exhausted, but January's a good month. It's fresh, and we have these resolutions or these goals that we set collectively not just as solos, and then somewhere around mid-month, a lot of stuff starts to fall away because reality hits. Yet you come back to an inbox that's overflowing and your clients want stuff and the dog threw up and the kids got kicked out of school. There's projects due. There's too many athletic events. Your mother-in-law's is being a pain, whatever it is, life intervenes and suddenly those goals you miss a day, then another day, then another day, and then it's just a memory.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KPXfQ7YGGpJ-D6yRaOWLTuu2xDmIc4YgQ3tagzNbaMZnMQpgwVkm7U2dOu6vQgDwHVo7KhQT5tYBB--u6nTYdmPbzWY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=161.73'>02:41</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Then you're back on the hamster wheel.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gN-FnjQ52KNLZD5c7wwwKcxLRgZwW369p1rrBIp0fGP18WNZoMmJo0yhPlWyFSgZzyY-DHgN_IhR6BxrrcIIzV43GSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=164.25'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you're on the hamster wheel. So what today we want to just talk about some of the ways that we can keep that positive momentum that comes in January going through the rest of the year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7nCbMlnKZym1-t4HK_CuxCnDArBz722seBLS_i9hEof0HfXJqIwdgQUVA_yA36MQD8yecNcEfSEma1r7yqlTfmE_bus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=179.02'>02:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think one way that I'm really trying to be conscious of is to just take a pause when you sense that steamroll mentality or when that steamroll activity is about to set off and it does help, I think for nothing else, the primary point of I do have the power to take even 30 seconds and say, okay, what's next? And I think if you allow yourself those moments, even if it's just once a day, I think you'll see that your sticktoitiveness is definitely helpful. Yeah. Let's face it, by the time this time of year hits, we've blown through all the Christmas chocolates, so our sugar cravings are kicking in and we're like, what do you mean? I only have rice cakes and maybe you've finally taken down the holiday lights, which I am always sad about. I'm thinking leave them up through February. Winter is bleak enough. But I think just taking whatever time you need to reset yourself as often as you need to, I think is one helpful way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tMU3brSDvNJNhbQg6maXjsAT4lrVotdyyRkhUwlOhmumf7ngwzphxCrNAI6wweLWyJs0dv56lz4eg7tFs2pFK8cHtIk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=263.26'>04:23</a>):</p>
<p>I also think getting in the habit of gratitude, so we know that gratitude journals or writing something you're thankful for on a piece of paper, putting it in a jar, so now you have a jar that you're collecting that you just pull out. But something that I've gone back to doing this year that I had gotten away from is at the end of every week, I just take a couple minutes and I already have a physical planner and I already have little blocks set up. I write down what went well this week and then what I need to improve. So if I am working on a goal and I didn't hit the goal every day, that's okay. What can I do to make sure that next week I'm getting better at it? And I always keep this mantra that has stayed with me for years progress, not perfection.</p>
<p>I think sometimes when we set out, we think that we have to be perfect at things, and then when we become imperfect, we let it go. I don't do that. I just look at, hey, this is my baseline and you're not going to start out something and be perfect. That's what the whole goal is about, and the whole journey is about, it's learning to get better at it. And so taking that time every week to just be honest about, okay, what could I have improved this week? And then write that down so that next week I have a plan to handle those little stumbles. And then what went well? What were the wins? Because what I find is that if you don't write it down where you can look at it, you forget about all the things that went really well because something goes well, and then 10 million things come at you and you forget and you're running to the next thing and you're doing the next thing, and it's like you forget, Hey, my client sent me this really nice email that said how great I was. Or Wow, this campaign went off flawlessly or, wow, this media hit that I've been chasing finally came through. We forget. And when you write it down, you have this nice little record from week to week. And I think that that keeps your positive energy going when you reflect on that routinely and you're not sucked into of it all.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/laBbW1rah1sQj_JB4Q2rBtkuyTCyl6qm9qV2-1jD6KKmIG0irjw2APRxoFa0UX2MRX6Z5w9_IAwTYVtuR-y3GBT1TFI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=403.34'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, it definitely gives you reminders of what you have accomplished. Not that accomplishment is the be all end all, but they're nice little pick me ups, little, little sunshine notes of, Hey, it's okay. And I think all too often we do not celebrate our successes enough. We don't celebrate our wins. And I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that we're sitting at our desk by ourselves. I'm like, do I high five myself? I do. I might let out a little woo. But I think it is important to document those, and I think that's a great idea to keep track</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e6Uk-eCtbQAjIADBT3X1LEC4grnVwQa51ZJ4fROzPIBn0I3FNW-YqXWdG0bDwARiBjoYAfo7ioq4M3REgZGLlpIoIeg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=441.08'>07:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think also, I love what you just said about celebrating ourselves when you're working on a goal, they always have you build in a reward for yourself when you hit your goal, there's a reward, but I think that we should build in rewards for ourself, period. As so will PR pros, why not just reward that you're doing the work and that you are working towards something? It doesn't have to be fully formed for you to celebrate your progress and what you're learning along the way. And so treat yourself, maybe it's a once a month or a once a quarter thing that you do. Doesn't have to be something big, but write down a list of rewards that would really motivate you personally and build them into your year. Write them in your calendar when you're going to give yourself that reward and sit down right now and plan out the next three, six, or even the rest of the year with your rewards because that again, is a way to keep your energy levels high and to be positive.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Lk2FzfvfnFEClKYQ1-JZiayOUxWIhIecqq0ZuZN4vubHfY3Pi61Mr9Ba66jZfBGgP2TU0T-iPatT4FoZFQn6S_c9P0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=508.34'>08:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think too, especially coming off a holiday season where you may or may not have gotten the quality time off you thought you would, and I just mean that, hey, let's face it, it's buying gifts…it's so tough for some of us, it's cooking more, right? We're doing holiday meals and they are special things to us and we're glad we do it, but it may not have been actual time off. And a wise person once said to me that I should at least once a quarter have a three day weekend and have I done this? No, I have not. But this year I'm thinking, yeah, I probably need to do that. And when you plan for it, it's easier to actually have it. And I know this sounds so basic and probably borderline silly, but I have a feeling many of you are nodding your heads of like, yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hJH47IukMyYEfgFpzLL6i8W8CIPpq_q0w63xFCKwp5cFbSvVc1MWzynqtkgV1Tpzg82XyIA9pAL5PzvelYMlf2kyT88?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=563.58'>09:23</a>):</p>
<p>Put it in your calendar. Last year I had marked off three days off the week after next, they were in my calendar. So guess what? Nothing got scheduled. It was already on my calendar. I made an appointment with myself to give myself three days off. And I don't know why I picked those days last year, but I'm glad that I have this practice of looking ahead and just looking at some days and blocking them off. Now, you also should block off time for, obviously you want to plan longer vacations for yourself or go away, but don't neglect to plan out those days where you're just off. And whatever you choose to do with those days, if you choose to go away for a weekend where you choose to stay home, whatever, just have the time off already planned for yourself. And don't give in to somebody saying, oh, well, can you meet on that day? No, I'm going to be off.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIV9EwmG9_rp-WwN6jyVeFyEKUoO4RzHUGqttzjIkL2AcwIrk7aBSijqOK_7bLWTfSdMKGjKmagY2qt9-wVudB8huG8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=620.52'>10:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. It's so easy to succumb to, oh, I can catch up on this or that. I mean, I have a friend who, she's had an ample break over the holiday and that's wonderful. And she's like, oh, I'm going to clean out my cupboards and we'd wipe this down. I'm like, wow, deep cleaning. That's awesome. I think, when would I ever time to do that? I'm like, oh, right, you have time off.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WyR2dlUKW73_pJRtbl4C5KL_KJphatP5Bxfq9ULczlT8Mm3pwKlc7iyxi9jy7EDYoC3N3aWbho2gwJOZvdiEMN-nVYw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=649.11'>10:49</a>):</p>
<p>You have time off. But there's something to be said for time off, really being time off too and a break and not doing any of those things that feel like work. Cleaning and organizing is my happy place, but I've also learned that there is something special about not doing those things and actually having a day off where you just are resting or reading a book or seeing a movie and not doing work-like things, things that are productive and adult</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qN-zyfJrthp-KcRUathmwkLz0_i6-ShB0ZttwhFUporPxYvqcEJXnnh10Sv0l6Kghi0WQZ84yo_AfnPSraXKFPPsOoc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.06'>11:24</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and isn't that the key? Right? Don't feel like you always have to be productive. Having a work ethic is a wonderful thing, but I think all too often we can use it as a bludgeon on ourselves of, well, I can't just sit here. I can't just sit here and stare at infomercials all day, even though sometimes that's what you need. You just need to disengage. But don't raise the bar so high all the time. It's okay to just not try and think of what would a perfect day look like if you could do whatever you wanted to do. And I'm not saying take the private jet that you don't have somewhere. I mean, realistically, what would you do? Would it be a novel thing to get your nail, go have a nail appointment at 2:00 PM on a Thursday? Probably do it. It's those little things that'll get you through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PccdoRJt6FYWiPTIFN5uJnHAEDeNX3lIV8dhvODIUnivXuCXuU3tv4zrq_lQEz2yBzXL4Wc3IyfIETwwB0p-n08DD3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=742.36'>12:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, but plan it. Write it down. I think that's the key to staying positive this year. And it doesn't mean that we're not going to have those days and have your go-to things that lift your mood. Maybe it's a playlist. Maybe it's a friend or a colleague. Maybe it's a particular book that always lifts your spirits, have your go-tos so that again, focus on remaining joyful and upbeat and positive this year because there's a lot of things around us out in the wild, in the natural environment that are trying to bring us down. And while we live in this world and we need to participate in it, you don't have to let it drain your mood. And so we want to make sure that you keep your energy level stable this year and that your enthusiasm for living your best life remains high all year long.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K0Zt6AeeGzj_GE1iaFSZ973A_nZhQ0zE2Y3P0a3Zs0tQmxQ9hOosHChZh2Y4FrMArFxFRQquhFNdDh7xZXuNtsOJ8Lk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=799.54'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>Couldn't have said it any better myself, and doing this for yourself will only make you better at your business. Well, we thank you for listening. We thank you for taking this time with us, and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Did you start the new year determined to keep a calm and purposeful pace? How’s that going so far? In this episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how it is – really, it is – possible to be as productive as ever and stay off the hamster wheel.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. I don't know, maybe I'm working on a theme song for you.
Karen Swim, APR (00:25):
I love a good theme song. I think we should all have a theme song.
Michelle Kane (00:30):
My friends and I used to joke about that. What would be your walkup song? Of course, I don't have a good idea at the moment, but
Karen Swim, APR (00:36):
Yeah, when you're a speaker, you have those songs. I have songs that get me going, and sometimes I have a few that I have on rotation like, okay, I need my song. It's mine. But I mean personalized custom theme song. I think we should all have one.
Michelle Kane (00:53):
Yeah, absolutely. All right, well, that's something for all of us to think about and hit us up at soloprpro.com if you have some of them ready. But that kind of aligns with our topic today, since we are likely around mid-January by now, and the newness of the year might be the luster might be falling off and fading. So we want to talk about all the ways that we can keep ourselves motivated and keep ourselves shiny and just ready for this year, ready to make it as best a year as we can. And if that's a walkup song, awesome.
Karen Swim, APR (01:37):
I love it.
We all know what happens in January, bright shiny new year and we're ready for it, blank slate. And we're all full of, we're coming off that holidays where we celebrate it, although this year we're exhausted, but January's a good month. It's fresh, and we have these resolutions or these goals that we set collectively not just as solos, and then somewhere around mid-month, a lot of stuff starts to fall away because reality hits. Yet you come back to an inbox that's overflowing and your clients want stuff and the dog threw up and the kids got kicked out of school. There's projects due. There's too many athletic events. Your mother-in-law's is being a pain, whatever it is, life intervenes and suddenly those goals you miss a day, then another day, then another day, and then it's just a memory.
Michelle Kane (02:41):
Right. Then you're back on the hamster wheel.
Karen Swim, APR (02:44):
Yeah, you're on the hamster wheel. So what today we want to just talk about some of the ways that we can keep that positive momentum that comes in January going through the rest of the year.
Michelle Kane (02:59):
Yeah. I think one way that I'm really trying to be conscious of is to just take a pause when you sense that steamroll mentality or when that steamroll activity is about to set off and it does help, I think for nothing else, the primary point of I do have the power to take even 30 seconds and say, okay, what's next? And I think if you allow yourself those moments, even if it's just once a day, I think you'll see that your sticktoitiveness is definitely helpful. Yeah. Let's face it, by the time this time of year hits, we've blown through all the Christmas chocolates, so our sugar cravings are kicking in and we're like, what do you mean? I only have rice cakes and maybe you've finally taken down the holiday lights, which I am always sad about. I'm thinking leave them up through February. Winter is bleak enough. But I think just taking whatever time you need to reset yourself as often as you need to, I think is one helpful way.
Karen Swim, APR (04:23):
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The data indicates the U.S. economy closed 2023 in a much healthier state than anticipated. So why do so many feel the opposite? Will this perception continue into 2024 and what can each of us do to remain resilient?</p>
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<p>Reference links:</p>
<p><a href='https://weeklyworkforce.com/p/2023-wrapped-2024-predictions?utm_source=weeklyworkforce.com&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=2023-workforce-wrapped-and-2024-predictions&amp;jwt_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJzY3JpYmVyX2lkIjoiMmQzMDUzOWUtOGY3Mi00YTI0LWI3YTktODU4NWRlOTgzNjQ0IiwiZXhwIjoxNzA0MjAzMTY5LCJpc3MiOiJodHRwczovL2FwcC5iZWVoaWl2LmNvbSIsImlhdCI6MTcwNDAzMDM2OX0.aXW6gU68_61FvDdN6pGWUcdzJh98vMgCm2wC2D8CPeg'>Weekly Workforce Newsletter</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.instagram.com/kylascan'>Kyla Scanlon Instagram</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h_3o9U3QrKVEpOYwqmMzhqVO1OC2XwvtHOMk-nlFJjn6bPLoCN1XZuW8MLk_R9D9fuwfkr07_uQZoeX5_EV67nb1Vbw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uZL3X_S7hVxKgjDC7HVK-rmu9AkkfNHlvtBny_mlKJFR0Coe28FB_hh7u7u00HZtnJSiMw5HhnxyBYamYed3JyfCYvk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.58'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm so excited. We are now. When our listeners hear this podcast, it will be 2024. So excited for a brand new year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IhK_UQ-JhDF8fBV8urI117AywOQJN2Pnkj6zytz9CJTwerDH7ERQaS6-L5Z2rUe0bK8eZ1ofU9bxyHvEbgEpKFxn2SY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=43.32'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for real. It's really 2024 this time. Listeners. I know the last one that dropped on New Year's Day. We kind of did that before the whole new year thing happened, but we're here, we made it. We made it to January, 2024. And I know we spent a little time looking back last episode, but of course we're going to do the looking forward thing and just kind of taking stock really of what's been happening, what people have said is happening and is going to happen, and maybe do a little reality check against some of those things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_qZHFzKapBRle1WlR4p7UgXy19DQ4No5DGoCTIdaMPcaPgTn7Jvt5ThNLIMsUjCeSrOhgnRiE3Odkq8XYJdh7Sjy0dQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.98'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>I love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sDINa2J_ZtiYQmWnbDbZdNqYUzYejof7672P4GpFr1zbtcR_ySvHaYl2M1Gcdu3sp5SgAo3JWi51qpzbB3A03poNZV0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.87'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Which is a good start. I know you looked up some great data just talking about how we spent a year, again, doom scrolling, being told a recession was on the horizon and oh, the sky is falling and hey, given the past few years we're kind of like, yeah, probably. Okay, why not? But according to reports, it's not exactly, it's not exactly been the case numbers, year-end numbers were far more cheerful than, well, at least as we in the public have been told to anticipate, if that makes sense. I know there's an economist on Instagram that I follow that, forgive me, I cannot remember your handle, but she brought up this amazing point about the actual economy versus the vibe economy and how that kind of predicates where we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qGyOgcCGN0BbE8vAl5Tkh05TpzW0TMtYKholkRF0wV_r_tBDm6SpfVgdKBizN4Rr7cbTByODWRq4m2fpq9If02qZrMU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.42'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>I love that because you know what? It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters how you feel, period. And I think we saw that in 2023, economically, it doesn't matter. That actual statistics now show that in many cases headcounts remain the same. It matters how you felt when layoffs were happening and how companies felt. Did they pull back and stop hiring because of the layoff news looming so large? Did PR pros perceive that there was less opportunity because there were cutbacks? So I think that's great that this economist calls out what's being recorded and then what the reality is, but most importantly, how people feel because the economy can be good, but if people don't feel confident, they're not going to spend period data be darned. We had so many people last year saying, we're going to have a recession, we're going to have a recession, and then we did not have a recession during the holidays. People spent more spending was up. And it's weird that that happened, but people felt either they were doing a little retail therapy or they thought this trash year is almost over and I'm going to buy gifts for everybody and celebrate because I deserve this. I mean, I don't know. But again, feelings do play into what really happens in the economy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BP7Wj_5UvEda6gk48RFlxfzT7AYA10c09H8h6JAFf0djHZSpXmLQXDYP2VvfryPnBAswRrr-V9nFcmd3nwnsisXuLS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.89'>03:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. And let's not discount that corporate greed still reigns. So some of our grocery prices are still a little bit up there, and that puts some of your restaurant prices up. And I know it has been, I've seen, at least in my region, it's been a very tough year end for some of those smaller entities and I totally get it and empathize with them. So here's my little shout out. Go to a locally owned place this week, just buy the coffee. Don't do as Susie Orman says, buy the coffee.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ohK3Tlxb-UOxPYTpNcddzDiPVLrxTm8YkfywrabjiuAMoudXnrR4QpFxhAD2H1rnNOHI5v0PqQjc7fasPUu-xFCQmHA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.41'>04:20</a>):</p>
<p>100%. So one of the trends that we think that we're looking at for this year is that the economy, there's going to still be uncertainty, but for our PR pros, we say that uncertainty is where we thrive. I think that it's easy for us to allow this weight, and now experts are calling this in the workforce space. They're saying that we're now in the great gloom. People are just depressed about their jobs. I can confirm I was among those people last year as many of our audience members were too, where you just are like, Ugh, do I even want to do this or anything anymore? We were not very happy. However, I believe that all of this presents opportunities for us, but it's very important for us to first take care of our own mindset. We can't control everything that goes on in the environment and we never could, but we can impact the environment on behalf of clients.</p>
<p>So it's important for us to remember our value. Write it down. Have your value points somewhere where you can look at them frequently as well so that you remind to tell people, clients, potential clients, what it is that you offer. Let's remember that no matter how the world wants to just shove us into that media only niche that we offer far more. What can you do with internal communications? What can you do with all the new global opportunities? One of the trends that's happening is that there is still some remote work while people are still being called to the office, but there's some remote work. So that has spurred a trend of more diverse workforces and that diversity extends to global diversity because if you don't have to be in the office every day, then you can actually tap into talent from all parts of the world.</p>
<p>Well, many of our PR pros have global experience. Many of our PR pros have experience working with global teams and understand how to navigate things. That's a selling point for you. So I think look at the problems of the world and say, you know what? Problems really are an opportunity. Problems are how products get created. Products are how new innovations come about because somebody looks at that problem and goes, how can I solve that? And so I want our audience to do the same thing, look at these trends, look at the problems that we're having and say, how can I fix that? How can I be a small part of this solution? You don't have to fix the whole thing. We're not asking you to fix our US economy, although if you can please do, but there are parts of it that you truly can't impact.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DI-RIkmwprA-8W6a3RhrK0aB4zMGB1SJLjkn0dyfH8cO3EMkED13FANFt5CI5s6lMggTzHfI-13JLBRvX_j03zPOQH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.73'>07:13</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. A couple points that you said. I mean, it's never a problem, always an opportunity. And I first heard that take on it from the former manager of my favorite band in the world, Squeeze, when we had the good luck to be in their company and they were, I forget what the situation even was. And he said, oh, never a problem, always an opportunity. And that stuck with me. So I'd love that you bring that up. And really, what are PR pros other than problem solvers? That's what we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Hq8K_zyvydszNZ0aJm8GDK6QNhAxhp94l22b7POweJt3UWUZ6qWaddk896Ex41KQ5vs7OOMGcYSGMuYxhF3OAT9TWVE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=464.75'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>We are,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p7h0T4mhrutFR8k4vLKYDvMYIze5wr6P5xG5FsFeTqc4MhTLKBbClFfFlT0aAOTGuLY5C1NWDdzMaM0gC9RnQgU0_PY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=465.83'>07:45</a>):</p>
<p>We're like a Sherpa. I mean, we've seen all kinds of businesses, we've seen so many different kinds of businesses. So we have all of that institutional knowledge as seasoned pros and we can offer counsel, no, are we attorneys slash MBA slash this, that, and the other one, not by degree, but by experience. You betcha. We bring a whole lot to the table as far as counsel. So I think it's so important. Like you say, oh my gosh, forget the vision boards. Remember your value and write it down and put it in front of you. I'd much rather stare at that than some picture of a beach somewhere that I maybe might forget to schedule.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bsLy6YTccelfwGVUpGkJwuSJnoIVpDKduPgOu6tAFdtRkqXNX9hJaum7927PWgDS-7ngUBocIqdWu3g3FQ-T9Ciy9RU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=510.08'>08:30</a>):</p>
<p>I feel like every PR pro should have that written and prominent and look at it daily because it's one of the things that I believe that we forget about ourselves and we take ourselves for granted. And if you're taking yourself for granted, it's going to impact who you target. It's going to impact your confidence going into sales meetings and it's going to affect your business. And so again, we're dealing with our own mind and how we think and how we show up in the world. And we've allowed other people in 2023, a lot of us to dim our light. Let's not do that in 2024. Let's go into the year. And when you look at these problems and you say, it's only a problem when I make it a problem, but you pick something that you're particularly passionate about, guess that's where your excitement comes back.</p>
<p>And when you're excited about something, think about how different your attitude is and how you work differently. We deserve to love our jobs again in 2024. I don't care that everybody else is in the great gloom. I'm not going to be gloomy. I'm not going to hate my job. I'm going to get rid of the things that I do not care for. I'm going to get rid of the types of people that I don't care to work with. I'm just going to keep saying no to the wrong types of clients. I'm not going to be driven by my bank account because I'm not driven by that anyway. I know that if I choose the right clients that allow me to do my best work, everything is going to work out. And I feel like we all deserve that. We should work with the people that energize us, that give us joy, that give us the types of work that make us happy. There's always going to be problem clients. There's always going to be times that work feels like work, but it shouldn't be drudgery day in day out. We don't have time for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1cRWKxMoAyqfAKhcRqNQRf-FMVVO5F1ifEEkfm0dI0wr7YJ6E3EDZYaGc3GWEIF8AspY-GhINFL_pLmPKsVPdROeqMo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.95'>10:22</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And I think, look, we're all realistic. Just because the calendar page turned to a different number of a year doesn't mean that everything is magic. However, coming off the holiday time when things might've slowed down, ha did not. But it was still a bit of a mental pause in many ways. And I know for myself as I'm doing my own reentry, whereas the last month or two, I would just hit it hard in the morning, okay, what do I have? We have to prove and not stopping to think, okay, why are you alarming yourself, Michelle, address this email and then move on. And yes, even take 15 minutes to just kind of check in with yourself and go, okay, what are my priorities today? We can slow ourselves down because rare is the time when something is 10 seconds from going to press or it's not. And I'm so guilty of that because you just want to keep going, keep going, keep going. Oh yeah, yeah, I got to think about that. Alright, okay, well one of these days and you end up being in the middle of that avalanche snowball going down the hill. And we don't want that. I don't want that for myself. So I'm trying very hard and I may still be in that reentry disillusionment bubble that it's possible, but darn it, I'm going to try.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sV-kEZIR8-7CoqOm_D_iEjG4zBldikMiKpK89s4ya47DzZT2HqhnqJ94SUe1GeWgKAldwB-k-PvIiBK2qul2pNuM_4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.37'>11:50</a>):</p>
<p>Another thing that's really been coming up is obviously AI and its continued role, and I can't say this enough, watch those trends, but be quick about making your own pivots and deepening your knowledge about the use of AI and thinking about different problems that AI uses are bringing up. Because again, where the problems are, there's opportunities for us as PR people. We're seeing that journalists are concerned when we look back at the challenges that they faced last year, I think it was a cision study, a big study on the journalist. One of the things was misinformation, but also accuracy of content. And AI plays into that. We're also seeing media companies suing AI companies for training on their content. So there's going to be a lot of battling, a lot of backlash, a lot of competitors springing up. And as always, we PR pros need to remember that a tool is a tool, is a tool.</p>
<p>Doesn't matter if it's the latest sexy technology. Where our value lies is in being strategic, understanding the appropriate use cases, watching out for ethical considerations, watching out for all of the nuances that AI models cannot handle, such as language around DEI and inclusivity. It's important. Those things are things that you as an expert in a professional can do. What about when you serve markets that are global, watching for those language nuances? AI can't necessarily do all of that. It can be a tool to help you with ideation and even with some content creation, but it still is going to require human oversight. There're more and more jobs calling for people in ai, AI script writers, people that are good at chat prompts. I find that with it being so new to the general public that many people are already stepping up and proclaiming themselves to be expert when it's very much an evolving field. But whatever I'm going to ask you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PZq5vjBZLnwC72NWhZo-d3UoH1466lamcNhpRF3AsqXrfBJyztSNbtFmKwNcltb_c8bNkrr4kyX0QxaQWgp9aKgvVqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=843.64'>14:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, right. We've seen it before. Social media gurus.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nxzkNC6AkSXAC2cXZXmErS6TtPItCQfAORkwk_NqNChRHIAr_34oD-zjroOjfV42-xrdpeax22_A4WmIsfdKNJBThC8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=847.72'>14:07</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Definitely. So yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sF019Qea17DCRXFZzBgpOuLken_b1Z3WV8-Nk_Pf3A8Qz3JLMcjwQTXMgKB1lQX6YO0jGJrssb2DuDkK5t3sgemKu6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=851.38'>14:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. I mean, we've long said it's a tool. It's here. There's no denying it. So rather than run away, it's best to be savvy about it, know about it, get good at it, get good at using it. You may just learn to like it a little bit, but just be aware of, yeah. I mean some of the shakeups it's going to be that are bound to happen. But I think most anything else, things do level off. It's just learning how to master yet another technology. And I think I found we tend, PR pros tend to be at the forefront of that. Honestly, we do. Because I've talked about it in some circles. I mean in some circles they think, oh, this will just do everything for me. I'm like, yeah, check the quality. I think you'll find that you'll be disappointed. And the others are like, what?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a-ZDDPm-fCQOa1VVNJhusI79n7YbaSa-awGXfoM5oMhEpB74YAvyWqbtbpXuhXth4_8W5Yswh2U7OJYFqzuBYL_qzP0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.17'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Well, in every profession there are those that will try to take the shortcut weight out. And those are not the true professionals and that's not our audience. I feel like our audience is the best of the best. The profession.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J-iyPWSWGcsm45d9o0aM2UVf-Y8SU4CUR6ThU0HNlQXYFN9W0f15boc0RoVE3AcwIEI0guD9-B7Me0RJoNo0jiclxMc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.9'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>You betcha.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s_gqW2kN2b2J50y_4SeldhoC9u_Ky2rI3ykz0RpwBm2ofuUHLGfrZevJbRZJJqmQuR2UlScpRAQFJJb-MeG9hOcWEpk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.65'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>So one more stat that I want to say is I'm sure that you're all familiar with this longevity report. It's been 85 years studying this population of people. And one of the key predictors of long life and high quality of life are connections. And so personal plug, we know that these past few years have just been so different, but they're so much easier when you don't go it alone. So while you may be the founder, the CEO, the boss, while you might be a true solo or micro agency this year, please make this the year that you surround yourself with community because you do not have to do this journey on your own. It makes a huge difference when you can tap into your peer network with the highs, the lows, your questions, when you can be supportive to other people because that regenerates us as well.</p>
<p>The doors of Solo PR Pro will be opening back up probably next week. I was supposed to do in December, but I did not. I encourage you to watch on social media. If you subscribe to our newsletters, please watch our newsletters because I'll make the announcement. But join this community of talented people so that you don't give in to the great gloom that's consuming other people because it is more depressing when you are on your own. And just because you're a solo doesn't mean that you can't have community network and a virtual office of colleagues that will be supportive to you. And yes, this is a personal plug, which we don't do very often in this way. And I'm offering it up because I don't know that I would've lasted in this profession without this community myself. My personal testimony, this community has been life, life-giving to me. And it continues to be a place unlike many other places on the internet. It's a place where there's trust, where there's genuine love for one another and care for one another. And I just don't find that same mix everywhere else. And so I think that we're pretty special and would like you to take advantage of that as well this year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CjsKznWFtA722SYZCmPKjrxDxP4Xoq0aQ39xLhsglXr0HsZ4beFxXO7NpxAdxutm3UnaLUnM4JFTU-Xj5qy5_fiZHS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1066.58'>17:46</a>):</p>
<p>I concur. I can vouch for that. Solo PR Pro was the first organization that I found when I was starting my business that led me to believe, oh, I can do this because look at all these other smart, successful people who have been doing it. And every word you say is true. It is a place of trust, compassion, care, smarts. I mean, I only almost feels like every time I go in the group, I feel like I might be. It's as if you're walking down the hall of the office and you stop in the doorway of a colleague and say, Hey, got a minute. I'm facing this thing and I really don't know what to do. And instead of just one person's feedback, you'll have dozens coming at you and saying like, oh, me too. Or, well, yeah, this happened to me once. Here's what I did.</p>
<p>Or maybe try this. It's really an incredible place and I agree. I have not found or seen anything remotely similar to it. Not that other groups have their pros and cons. Of course they all do, but I've not seen something that even gets close to the value that it brings. So yeah, when the door's open, I can't say strongly enough to check it out. Well, on that note, we hope you've gotten something out of this today. We hope we've helped you to deserve, know that you deserve to have a year without gloom. We're going to kick out the gloom this year. Please share this episode around we would've really appreciate that. Shoot up some reviews about us. That would be kind of awesome. And until next time, yeah, and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The data indicates the U.S. economy closed 2023 in a much healthier state than anticipated. So why do so many feel the opposite? Will this perception continue into 2024 and what can each of us do to remain resilient?</p>
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<p>Reference links:</p>
<p><a href='https://weeklyworkforce.com/p/2023-wrapped-2024-predictions?utm_source=weeklyworkforce.com&amp;utm_medium=newsletter&amp;utm_campaign=2023-workforce-wrapped-and-2024-predictions&amp;jwt_token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWJzY3JpYmVyX2lkIjoiMmQzMDUzOWUtOGY3Mi00YTI0LWI3YTktODU4NWRlOTgzNjQ0IiwiZXhwIjoxNzA0MjAzMTY5LCJpc3MiOiJodHRwczovL2FwcC5iZWVoaWl2LmNvbSIsImlhdCI6MTcwNDAzMDM2OX0.aXW6gU68_61FvDdN6pGWUcdzJh98vMgCm2wC2D8CPeg'>Weekly Workforce Newsletter</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.instagram.com/kylascan'>Kyla Scanlon Instagram</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h_3o9U3QrKVEpOYwqmMzhqVO1OC2XwvtHOMk-nlFJjn6bPLoCN1XZuW8MLk_R9D9fuwfkr07_uQZoeX5_EV67nb1Vbw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uZL3X_S7hVxKgjDC7HVK-rmu9AkkfNHlvtBny_mlKJFR0Coe28FB_hh7u7u00HZtnJSiMw5HhnxyBYamYed3JyfCYvk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.58'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm so excited. We are now. When our listeners hear this podcast, it will be 2024. So excited for a brand new year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IhK_UQ-JhDF8fBV8urI117AywOQJN2Pnkj6zytz9CJTwerDH7ERQaS6-L5Z2rUe0bK8eZ1ofU9bxyHvEbgEpKFxn2SY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=43.32'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for real. It's really 2024 this time. Listeners. I know the last one that dropped on New Year's Day. We kind of did that before the whole new year thing happened, but we're here, we made it. We made it to January, 2024. And I know we spent a little time looking back last episode, but of course we're going to do the looking forward thing and just kind of taking stock really of what's been happening, what people have said is happening and is going to happen, and maybe do a little reality check against some of those things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_qZHFzKapBRle1WlR4p7UgXy19DQ4No5DGoCTIdaMPcaPgTn7Jvt5ThNLIMsUjCeSrOhgnRiE3Odkq8XYJdh7Sjy0dQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.98'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>I love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sDINa2J_ZtiYQmWnbDbZdNqYUzYejof7672P4GpFr1zbtcR_ySvHaYl2M1Gcdu3sp5SgAo3JWi51qpzbB3A03poNZV0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.87'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Which is a good start. I know you looked up some great data just talking about how we spent a year, again, doom scrolling, being told a recession was on the horizon and oh, the sky is falling and hey, given the past few years we're kind of like, yeah, probably. Okay, why not? But according to reports, it's not exactly, it's not exactly been the case numbers, year-end numbers were far more cheerful than, well, at least as we in the public have been told to anticipate, if that makes sense. I know there's an economist on Instagram that I follow that, forgive me, I cannot remember your handle, but she brought up this amazing point about the actual economy versus the vibe economy and how that kind of predicates where we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qGyOgcCGN0BbE8vAl5Tkh05TpzW0TMtYKholkRF0wV_r_tBDm6SpfVgdKBizN4Rr7cbTByODWRq4m2fpq9If02qZrMU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=138.42'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>I love that because you know what? It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters how you feel, period. And I think we saw that in 2023, economically, it doesn't matter. That actual statistics now show that in many cases headcounts remain the same. It matters how you felt when layoffs were happening and how companies felt. Did they pull back and stop hiring because of the layoff news looming so large? Did PR pros perceive that there was less opportunity because there were cutbacks? So I think that's great that this economist calls out what's being recorded and then what the reality is, but most importantly, how people feel because the economy can be good, but if people don't feel confident, they're not going to spend period data be darned. We had so many people last year saying, we're going to have a recession, we're going to have a recession, and then we did not have a recession during the holidays. People spent more spending was up. And it's weird that that happened, but people felt either they were doing a little retail therapy or they thought this trash year is almost over and I'm going to buy gifts for everybody and celebrate because I deserve this. I mean, I don't know. But again, feelings do play into what really happens in the economy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BP7Wj_5UvEda6gk48RFlxfzT7AYA10c09H8h6JAFf0djHZSpXmLQXDYP2VvfryPnBAswRrr-V9nFcmd3nwnsisXuLS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=224.89'>03:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. And let's not discount that corporate greed still reigns. So some of our grocery prices are still a little bit up there, and that puts some of your restaurant prices up. And I know it has been, I've seen, at least in my region, it's been a very tough year end for some of those smaller entities and I totally get it and empathize with them. So here's my little shout out. Go to a locally owned place this week, just buy the coffee. Don't do as Susie Orman says, buy the coffee.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ohK3Tlxb-UOxPYTpNcddzDiPVLrxTm8YkfywrabjiuAMoudXnrR4QpFxhAD2H1rnNOHI5v0PqQjc7fasPUu-xFCQmHA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.41'>04:20</a>):</p>
<p>100%. So one of the trends that we think that we're looking at for this year is that the economy, there's going to still be uncertainty, but for our PR pros, we say that uncertainty is where we thrive. I think that it's easy for us to allow this weight, and now experts are calling this in the workforce space. They're saying that we're now in the great gloom. People are just depressed about their jobs. I can confirm I was among those people last year as many of our audience members were too, where you just are like, Ugh, do I even want to do this or anything anymore? We were not very happy. However, I believe that all of this presents opportunities for us, but it's very important for us to first take care of our own mindset. We can't control everything that goes on in the environment and we never could, but we can impact the environment on behalf of clients.</p>
<p>So it's important for us to remember our value. Write it down. Have your value points somewhere where you can look at them frequently as well so that you remind to tell people, clients, potential clients, what it is that you offer. Let's remember that no matter how the world wants to just shove us into that media only niche that we offer far more. What can you do with internal communications? What can you do with all the new global opportunities? One of the trends that's happening is that there is still some remote work while people are still being called to the office, but there's some remote work. So that has spurred a trend of more diverse workforces and that diversity extends to global diversity because if you don't have to be in the office every day, then you can actually tap into talent from all parts of the world.</p>
<p>Well, many of our PR pros have global experience. Many of our PR pros have experience working with global teams and understand how to navigate things. That's a selling point for you. So I think look at the problems of the world and say, you know what? Problems really are an opportunity. Problems are how products get created. Products are how new innovations come about because somebody looks at that problem and goes, how can I solve that? And so I want our audience to do the same thing, look at these trends, look at the problems that we're having and say, how can I fix that? How can I be a small part of this solution? You don't have to fix the whole thing. We're not asking you to fix our US economy, although if you can please do, but there are parts of it that you truly can't impact.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DI-RIkmwprA-8W6a3RhrK0aB4zMGB1SJLjkn0dyfH8cO3EMkED13FANFt5CI5s6lMggTzHfI-13JLBRvX_j03zPOQH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=433.73'>07:13</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. A couple points that you said. I mean, it's never a problem, always an opportunity. And I first heard that take on it from the former manager of my favorite band in the world, Squeeze, when we had the good luck to be in their company and they were, I forget what the situation even was. And he said, oh, never a problem, always an opportunity. And that stuck with me. So I'd love that you bring that up. And really, what are PR pros other than problem solvers? That's what we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Hq8K_zyvydszNZ0aJm8GDK6QNhAxhp94l22b7POweJt3UWUZ6qWaddk896Ex41KQ5vs7OOMGcYSGMuYxhF3OAT9TWVE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=464.75'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>We are,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p7h0T4mhrutFR8k4vLKYDvMYIze5wr6P5xG5FsFeTqc4MhTLKBbClFfFlT0aAOTGuLY5C1NWDdzMaM0gC9RnQgU0_PY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=465.83'>07:45</a>):</p>
<p>We're like a Sherpa. I mean, we've seen all kinds of businesses, we've seen so many different kinds of businesses. So we have all of that institutional knowledge as seasoned pros and we can offer counsel, no, are we attorneys slash MBA slash this, that, and the other one, not by degree, but by experience. You betcha. We bring a whole lot to the table as far as counsel. So I think it's so important. Like you say, oh my gosh, forget the vision boards. Remember your value and write it down and put it in front of you. I'd much rather stare at that than some picture of a beach somewhere that I maybe might forget to schedule.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bsLy6YTccelfwGVUpGkJwuSJnoIVpDKduPgOu6tAFdtRkqXNX9hJaum7927PWgDS-7ngUBocIqdWu3g3FQ-T9Ciy9RU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=510.08'>08:30</a>):</p>
<p>I feel like every PR pro should have that written and prominent and look at it daily because it's one of the things that I believe that we forget about ourselves and we take ourselves for granted. And if you're taking yourself for granted, it's going to impact who you target. It's going to impact your confidence going into sales meetings and it's going to affect your business. And so again, we're dealing with our own mind and how we think and how we show up in the world. And we've allowed other people in 2023, a lot of us to dim our light. Let's not do that in 2024. Let's go into the year. And when you look at these problems and you say, it's only a problem when I make it a problem, but you pick something that you're particularly passionate about, guess that's where your excitement comes back.</p>
<p>And when you're excited about something, think about how different your attitude is and how you work differently. We deserve to love our jobs again in 2024. I don't care that everybody else is in the great gloom. I'm not going to be gloomy. I'm not going to hate my job. I'm going to get rid of the things that I do not care for. I'm going to get rid of the types of people that I don't care to work with. I'm just going to keep saying no to the wrong types of clients. I'm not going to be driven by my bank account because I'm not driven by that anyway. I know that if I choose the right clients that allow me to do my best work, everything is going to work out. And I feel like we all deserve that. We should work with the people that energize us, that give us joy, that give us the types of work that make us happy. There's always going to be problem clients. There's always going to be times that work feels like work, but it shouldn't be drudgery day in day out. We don't have time for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1cRWKxMoAyqfAKhcRqNQRf-FMVVO5F1ifEEkfm0dI0wr7YJ6E3EDZYaGc3GWEIF8AspY-GhINFL_pLmPKsVPdROeqMo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=622.95'>10:22</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And I think, look, we're all realistic. Just because the calendar page turned to a different number of a year doesn't mean that everything is magic. However, coming off the holiday time when things might've slowed down, ha did not. But it was still a bit of a mental pause in many ways. And I know for myself as I'm doing my own reentry, whereas the last month or two, I would just hit it hard in the morning, okay, what do I have? We have to prove and not stopping to think, okay, why are you alarming yourself, Michelle, address this email and then move on. And yes, even take 15 minutes to just kind of check in with yourself and go, okay, what are my priorities today? We can slow ourselves down because rare is the time when something is 10 seconds from going to press or it's not. And I'm so guilty of that because you just want to keep going, keep going, keep going. Oh yeah, yeah, I got to think about that. Alright, okay, well one of these days and you end up being in the middle of that avalanche snowball going down the hill. And we don't want that. I don't want that for myself. So I'm trying very hard and I may still be in that reentry disillusionment bubble that it's possible, but darn it, I'm going to try.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sV-kEZIR8-7CoqOm_D_iEjG4zBldikMiKpK89s4ya47DzZT2HqhnqJ94SUe1GeWgKAldwB-k-PvIiBK2qul2pNuM_4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.37'>11:50</a>):</p>
<p>Another thing that's really been coming up is obviously AI and its continued role, and I can't say this enough, watch those trends, but be quick about making your own pivots and deepening your knowledge about the use of AI and thinking about different problems that AI uses are bringing up. Because again, where the problems are, there's opportunities for us as PR people. We're seeing that journalists are concerned when we look back at the challenges that they faced last year, I think it was a cision study, a big study on the journalist. One of the things was misinformation, but also accuracy of content. And AI plays into that. We're also seeing media companies suing AI companies for training on their content. So there's going to be a lot of battling, a lot of backlash, a lot of competitors springing up. And as always, we PR pros need to remember that a tool is a tool, is a tool.</p>
<p>Doesn't matter if it's the latest sexy technology. Where our value lies is in being strategic, understanding the appropriate use cases, watching out for ethical considerations, watching out for all of the nuances that AI models cannot handle, such as language around DEI and inclusivity. It's important. Those things are things that you as an expert in a professional can do. What about when you serve markets that are global, watching for those language nuances? AI can't necessarily do all of that. It can be a tool to help you with ideation and even with some content creation, but it still is going to require human oversight. There're more and more jobs calling for people in ai, AI script writers, people that are good at chat prompts. I find that with it being so new to the general public that many people are already stepping up and proclaiming themselves to be expert when it's very much an evolving field. But whatever I'm going to ask you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PZq5vjBZLnwC72NWhZo-d3UoH1466lamcNhpRF3AsqXrfBJyztSNbtFmKwNcltb_c8bNkrr4kyX0QxaQWgp9aKgvVqY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=843.64'>14:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, right. We've seen it before. Social media gurus.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nxzkNC6AkSXAC2cXZXmErS6TtPItCQfAORkwk_NqNChRHIAr_34oD-zjroOjfV42-xrdpeax22_A4WmIsfdKNJBThC8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=847.72'>14:07</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Definitely. So yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sF019Qea17DCRXFZzBgpOuLken_b1Z3WV8-Nk_Pf3A8Qz3JLMcjwQTXMgKB1lQX6YO0jGJrssb2DuDkK5t3sgemKu6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=851.38'>14:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. I mean, we've long said it's a tool. It's here. There's no denying it. So rather than run away, it's best to be savvy about it, know about it, get good at it, get good at using it. You may just learn to like it a little bit, but just be aware of, yeah. I mean some of the shakeups it's going to be that are bound to happen. But I think most anything else, things do level off. It's just learning how to master yet another technology. And I think I found we tend, PR pros tend to be at the forefront of that. Honestly, we do. Because I've talked about it in some circles. I mean in some circles they think, oh, this will just do everything for me. I'm like, yeah, check the quality. I think you'll find that you'll be disappointed. And the others are like, what?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a-ZDDPm-fCQOa1VVNJhusI79n7YbaSa-awGXfoM5oMhEpB74YAvyWqbtbpXuhXth4_8W5Yswh2U7OJYFqzuBYL_qzP0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.17'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Well, in every profession there are those that will try to take the shortcut weight out. And those are not the true professionals and that's not our audience. I feel like our audience is the best of the best. The profession.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J-iyPWSWGcsm45d9o0aM2UVf-Y8SU4CUR6ThU0HNlQXYFN9W0f15boc0RoVE3AcwIEI0guD9-B7Me0RJoNo0jiclxMc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.9'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>You betcha.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s_gqW2kN2b2J50y_4SeldhoC9u_Ky2rI3ykz0RpwBm2ofuUHLGfrZevJbRZJJqmQuR2UlScpRAQFJJb-MeG9hOcWEpk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.65'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>So one more stat that I want to say is I'm sure that you're all familiar with this longevity report. It's been 85 years studying this population of people. And one of the key predictors of long life and high quality of life are connections. And so personal plug, we know that these past few years have just been so different, but they're so much easier when you don't go it alone. So while you may be the founder, the CEO, the boss, while you might be a true solo or micro agency this year, please make this the year that you surround yourself with community because you do not have to do this journey on your own. It makes a huge difference when you can tap into your peer network with the highs, the lows, your questions, when you can be supportive to other people because that regenerates us as well.</p>
<p>The doors of Solo PR Pro will be opening back up probably next week. I was supposed to do in December, but I did not. I encourage you to watch on social media. If you subscribe to our newsletters, please watch our newsletters because I'll make the announcement. But join this community of talented people so that you don't give in to the great gloom that's consuming other people because it is more depressing when you are on your own. And just because you're a solo doesn't mean that you can't have community network and a virtual office of colleagues that will be supportive to you. And yes, this is a personal plug, which we don't do very often in this way. And I'm offering it up because I don't know that I would've lasted in this profession without this community myself. My personal testimony, this community has been life, life-giving to me. And it continues to be a place unlike many other places on the internet. It's a place where there's trust, where there's genuine love for one another and care for one another. And I just don't find that same mix everywhere else. And so I think that we're pretty special and would like you to take advantage of that as well this year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CjsKznWFtA722SYZCmPKjrxDxP4Xoq0aQ39xLhsglXr0HsZ4beFxXO7NpxAdxutm3UnaLUnM4JFTU-Xj5qy5_fiZHS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1066.58'>17:46</a>):</p>
<p>I concur. I can vouch for that. Solo PR Pro was the first organization that I found when I was starting my business that led me to believe, oh, I can do this because look at all these other smart, successful people who have been doing it. And every word you say is true. It is a place of trust, compassion, care, smarts. I mean, I only almost feels like every time I go in the group, I feel like I might be. It's as if you're walking down the hall of the office and you stop in the doorway of a colleague and say, Hey, got a minute. I'm facing this thing and I really don't know what to do. And instead of just one person's feedback, you'll have dozens coming at you and saying like, oh, me too. Or, well, yeah, this happened to me once. Here's what I did.</p>
<p>Or maybe try this. It's really an incredible place and I agree. I have not found or seen anything remotely similar to it. Not that other groups have their pros and cons. Of course they all do, but I've not seen something that even gets close to the value that it brings. So yeah, when the door's open, I can't say strongly enough to check it out. Well, on that note, we hope you've gotten something out of this today. We hope we've helped you to deserve, know that you deserve to have a year without gloom. We're going to kick out the gloom this year. Please share this episode around we would've really appreciate that. Shoot up some reviews about us. That would be kind of awesome. And until next time, yeah, and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:32):
Hello, Michelle. I'm so excited. We are now. When our listeners hear this podcast, it will be 2024. So excited for a brand new year.
Michelle Kane (00:43):
Yeah, for real. It's really 2024 this time. Listeners. I know the last one that dropped on New Year's Day. We kind of did that before the whole new year thing happened, but we're here, we made it. We made it to January, 2024. And I know we spent a little time looking back last episode, but of course we're going to do the looking forward thing and just kind of taking stock really of what's been happening, what people have said is happening and is going to happen, and maybe do a little reality check against some of those things.
Karen Swim, APR (01:19):
I love it.
Michelle Kane (01:21):
Which is a good start. I know you looked up some great data just talking about how we spent a year, again, doom scrolling, being told a recession was on the horizon and oh, the sky is falling and hey, given the past few years we're kind of like, yeah, probably. Okay, why not? But according to reports, it's not exactly, it's not exactly been the case numbers, year-end numbers were far more cheerful than, well, at least as we in the public have been told to anticipate, if that makes sense. I know there's an economist on Instagram that I follow that, forgive me, I cannot remember your handle, but she brought up this amazing point about the actual economy versus the vibe economy and how that kind of predicates where we are.
Karen Swim, APR (02:18):
I love that because you know what? It doesn't matter what the numbers say, it matters how you feel, period. And I think we saw that in 2023, economically, it doesn't matter. That actual statistics now show that in many cases headcounts remain the same. It matters how you felt when layoffs were happening and how companies felt. Did they pull back and stop hiring because of the layoff news looming so large? Did PR pros perceive that there was less opportunity because there were cutbacks? So I think that's great that this economist calls out what's being recorded and then what the reality is, but most importantly, how people feel because the economy can be good, but if people don't feel confident, they're not going to spend period data be darned. We had so many people last year saying, we're going to have a recession, we're going to have a recession, and then we did not have a recession during the holidays. People spent more spending was up. And it's weird that that happened, but people felt either they were doing a little retail therapy or they thought this trash year is almost over and I'm going to buy gifts for everybody and celebrate because I deserve this. I mean, I don't know. But again, feelings do play into what really happens in the economy.
Michelle Kane (03:44):
Yeah, that's very true. And let's not discount that corporate greed still reigns. So some of our grocery prices are still a little bit up there, and that puts some of your restaurant prices up. And I know it has been, I've seen, at least in my region, it's been a very tough year end for some of those smaller entities and I totally get it and empathize with them. So here's my little shout out. Go to a locally owned place this week, just buy the coffee. Don't do as Susie Orman says, buy the coffee.
Karen Swim, APR (04:20):
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>This episode was inspired by a recent blog post on SoloPRPro.com – <a href='https://soloprpro.com/pr-2024-forecast/'>The PR Forecast for 2024.</a> What can we expect in – and from – our industry? How can solos get the most out of our businesses this year and beyond? Let’s find out together.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I1oieyPMRspOe-zvWGb1gLPrfsvFli43JDFxGFg1adX9zdPXlDyCA_p7gX7HUdbBJsWw6i6xwiFJmFv_dzWjMqrlkGE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.61'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of the hive of PR, the fabulousness of Solo PR Pro, and I should say, Karen, officially Happy New Year.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S2x3Lbk2EURFKI3BsMlH4gaoCD-3L5MKCJ-fgSse65NcNRjo6wb1kRkn3vni_yQdNkANSGGqx2GXnuVWL57Rwvvb3pQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.5'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yay. Yes. By the time this episode hits, it will be 2024. So hello and Happy New Year, Michelle.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PJ1uo3wEOgmpjWGx9E5obeON7OXaqhju5s-Fn7NUarys4jUYG1372_jZf4wzS-AMoJWAvtjwXmK6-g4fnfNea5fYFO8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.69'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>Can you believe it's, we made it out of 2023. Hopefully</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfWdDo95szTNBfmXi-ZgtuH1dx8D9xsMymIknhtEdsJY3iHUmacrWcP3lMlaY9oJ_P0l-dSTc0Pv3Jy0ovan0lF28-0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=56.5'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>Got out by the seat of our pants</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JYFwVSSvVDF8LsQWxc6VQ8FdgRSnWLMp9aot0i8y4dumnk6Jz3SHttNZEvnxDd2VEvmodNJ0enIiHS94U2n-RVKMGzY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=60.06'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>New year. Let's hope it's not a new dumpster fire.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ypkva16bKnV6BauRL_DufbmeZamUNfhxczB1hLUYOUcGxZv_7_WHAGpqxf2Ln6CoDbc8oX_LgX8Ucn5mmA2D9Yd8sqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=64.38'>01:04</a>):</p>
<p>Let us hope, because 2023 was just a year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a3GY2T3O5vyHocNNOyTDnNqMo3iUWKLoNwzjKn5ItIVT7_oUFYQIatjSgmmUNfjwZ1BGhCaQTSgFQbkDxfZw0z1m8FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.17'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>It definitely had a lot of moments, but we're not going to look back. We're going to look ahead. We are going to address some of the things covered in a recent blog at soloprpro.com, and I encourage you all to head over there and read it. <a href='https://soloprpro.com/pr-2024-forecast/'>The PR Forecast for 2024</a>, who would we be if we didn't kick off the year just taking a look at what we think is to come? And there were some excellent points that you made, Karen, as always one. Of course, the big thing, and we seem to be talking about this a lot, of course, because it has become a part of our PR lives, is AI. In fact, you say it's raining AI. Yeah. Okay. No, I won't sing it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AfAFBDzek-JpeK8GUdpzyrgUJjUxP-WkQ-QIPoeYE-pagl12C6jZd95cRy-FOUiHGmHVQNHV8gcdYsiO-94DSB40kMA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.05'>01:58</a>):</p>
<p>It's true. And sometimes I feel like, oh my God, AI again. But the reason that we're talking about it is because it's evolving so quickly. It's being adopted in so many ways in the workplace. And here's the thing that I think PR people need to really watch for, is that there are errors along the way as we're all learning to use the technology. And so we see companies quickly adopting it and feeling like it can replace human beings. It can never do that. And we're seeing this shakeup of people wanting to use this technology and harness the good things that it can do, become more efficient, streamline as everybody's looking to save dollars. So it does create this tension where there's this shakeup towards the end of 2023, we really saw content people being affected by AI and losing work because writing is being done quicker and faster. The AI tool, however, we also see things that are coming out that are not good. We see agencies that are getting pushback from clients because they're using AI to write everything. So we can't lean on the tool too heavily still. I think that the big story in 2024 for us should be the story that we should be writing is AI is a wonderful tool when used ethically, responsibly, and as a tool, not as the replacement. This is not Megan. This is not body in the firm of</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6kQHWlIj--ZdO216sX99g5boEGnKaUVyLe4Xpq46gG3Lov_GndVjK7vYlFQMJSS5I_Q0smhnRx22OPXBO6gk_xtx_3E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.25'>03:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, I completely agree. It is definitely just a tool, a wonderful tool,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_Dsl3rlhf_anvm5d7ZB1JsKyJj9HcymZtAV3WuYMJcUsvUmjKGg3qhvJtyfhqyvYethcQNa3McbFuiVKFbPv2YUJtXs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.1'>03:42</a>):</p>
<p>A wonderful tool.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CMAxVHPrR054zmP0bLMoxm0u9wHwF7NuGI5MwuDEueRagigicNd8f5SBLJFMv36pRHiZgX_NY7DMKY1FgfDtXZoIfH0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.15'>03:43</a>):</p>
<p>But the fears of replacement, those that use it that way, well do it at your own peril because it is not perfect. I don't care how good it's getting. It's never going to replace the human touch. It's never going to replace, and I'm saying it - never. Just the experience and the depth and the layers that a person can bring. Does it help us? Absolutely. Does it help unpack parts of our brain? Because honestly, I love to write, and yet sometimes depending what I'm writing as I'm loving it, it so it drains you, right? But having this little bit of a help is great, but only you know how to finesse a sentence. Only you know how to make it sing. I forget, I saw it was one of those Facebook posts that goes around, but talking about writing and having a cadence and a rhythm and how that's important to the way your brain receives it, and it's just not there. And I know we were joking off before we started recording, and I won't mention it or read it, but I saw a social media post last night that was so glaringly AI written thanks to the flowery prose that did not sound natural or even it was just bad. I thought, oh, tell me you had ai write your social media posts without telling me you had ai. Write your social media posts.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6cTDlSXvFLNSMKaFjCAgoorbCloBNOUXlH5D_fMhsM35Zzv3jebtfNRM1cDYyz2q6aDUphifMQSNKqgrOWAkiwmwKWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=310'>05:10</a>):</p>
<p>And let's face it, AI is being integrated into almost every single tool that we're already using media databases to our signature stamps. The world has gone AI crazy. And you know what? In some channels, in some instances, AI completely 100% AI written content may be just fine. It may pass. It's not very good, and it's not very good because for the people who are utilizing AI in that way, because there's plenty of social media platforms that now have an AI component, and yes, they'll generate your posts and generate your visuals. Inherently, there's nothing wrong with that as a starting point or as an ideation point. But again, what happens is that AI should not treated like another member of your team. So you don't want to do away with your marketing team and replace it with AI or you're going to be in trouble. And the laziness, like all laziness in the work setting, you're only going to be able to ride that train for a little while. It's going to stop at some point because people, your audience deserves more and they're going to want better from you.</p>
<p>But the scary part for I think communications people is that you will have these companies, we saw it in 2023 in a way that I have not seen in a long time with a lot of people not believing in PR anymore. They just don't see the value. Big companies, you have groups of CMOs who no longer see the value. And so for those people, they think AI is fine. We will just AI our press releases. We'll AI the stuff, we'll do everything on our own. We'll have marketing handle it because we can draw a straight line and AI will take the place. So I feel like there'll be a little bit of tumult, but I do believe that there will be backlash to anyone who is misusing AI in this way pretty quickly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/flcebHZr3pad1V2ZSoowGba6BCEvoEcCn5I1Qv3vcCauJbJwQ9c9YqGWurqACN30MhPU-jBAEpgUuwm2KgNcGME7HtU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=438.05'>07:18</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Because the people who are receiving these messages, they don't want fake, they don't want glossy, they don't want stuff that's churned out whether they're realizing it or not. Eventually, there will be a backlash. And I mean, think of it this way, as a company, do you do anything without reviewing it first? Do you put anything out there without taking a look at it? Because for those that just rely solely on AI as anything but a tool within your processes, really. Okay, good luck with that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QnbB9GfGvnPUWmPNQkGLLyLIryt5q_Qb9IszcNCEUL-kZ1n9sAZECbp0nD9FVagFDH3v_FUv9HABPKOGNvaUKznpcLQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.72'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uu5T-KfrEQC5zAHr6HzuEtYeNJYIEau_8eZmp_ZiMAIGbgXEvYlkdcfJ0GOWa6wBqOP-c7F1GIMwyjpAODAhNwx9M1A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=481.22'>08:01</a>):</p>
<p>We'll be here to help you pick up the pieces. But yeah, and that is another thing that you did mention in this blog about just the value of PR and how yeah, it really does matter. And like you say, PR has always had a PR problem, haven't we? We're so busy singing the praises of clients and doing client work that all too often we ignore ourselves and our industry and how important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IzhO0HVdWaLVs-YLODiOVkFtM8cllR8AOOjhL48L_NjtS9DjBUwvJMrBOGhA3mtFG0wYV772O9Q2wlnCQqlA48Pizxo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.42'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that we've allowed, unfortunately, everyone else to write our story. We're not the best as an industry at owning our narrative. And it's unfortunate because we get reduced to being media hits and you're only as good as your last media hit. There are PR people, as we all know, that don't even offer media relations services, and there are some that specialize in that. I'm not diminishing the value of media relations. However, the people that specialize in media relations are far from what the public believes they are. They are strategic, they are aligning with the organizational goals. They are providing counseling much more than just, Hey, they're pitching all day. That's all they do. That's not what they do at all. And I believe that a big part of the public really doesn't understand the depth of things that we do as practitioners and the value that we bring to an organization. Unfortunately, what that means is because they don't see the value. We did see a lot of cuts in 2023, but I would like to say that I do believe that particularly for solos and small agencies, don't allow the negative news, the layoffs, and the cuts to drive your 2024 strategy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bxBIl4sd2Yn3fN4Y7VLk8T0aXvZrz09W6q87KmjSI-nh86urKod66iS9L9FhzV82IuHU275BU38awKbNdziBi61rFTc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.42'>10:00</a>):</p>
<p>Agree,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9aRZ8uyu8IR0vvQZ0WlnszUW0CTO9cD5flrJe4nZROVJjsmREepmg6Yq5I3nHfRNJNBG0yGmCww90viPyGpN-mmWMBI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=601.08'>10:01</a>):</p>
<p>There is opportunity in 2024. You have to be willing to innovate the way that you approach things. You have to be willing to take a step back and look as a whole and see the gaps that you can fill and understand. And we did a blog post on this too, what your secret sauce really is, and lean into that because I'm telling you that those who differentiate themselves, those who are willing to modernize their approach, you are going to win in 2024. If you are so busy trying to make yourself look like the traditional agency, you're going to get lost in the mix because there are a lot of companies that would prefer to work with agile, non-traditional agencies. And again, I'm not bashing the traditional agency model. I'm saying don't try to be like them. Stand out and be who you are and lean even further into that special ingredient that is really unique to you and market the heck out of it because there's a place for us. But you have to own that place. You have to step up. You have to be bold, you have to be willing to do your branding. You have to be willing to do your business development outreach. But there is business on the table. This is a huge opportunity for people like us, and I do not want you to miss it in 2024.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tFKBhrAK3z--GKz0fCFZ_2PUvkswOvlGmZ4RU66KwxU7NCz25KOSB7_SMx3HoLAWhN5H8ajO32fSEB9KwnPOIEuiviA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=685.59'>11:25</a>):</p>
<p>I love what you said. Lean into your secret sauce. And it's so true because all of us as solos at the very outset, our clients are getting advisement from a senior professional. And you're just not getting that elsewhere. And again, again, right? Not to bash agencies, of course not. But if someone needs someone who can come in, assess the situation, get things rolling without having to wait a week for 60 different approvals with the processes, again, that's fine for some. But if there are clients out there who don't necessarily need all that, not that we're not careful, I am the most paranoid, uptight, careful person in the world. But you, you're getting, as Liam Neeson would say, a special set of skills when you go with a solo. And we haven't said this in a very long time, and I am talking to myself again, but yes, put yourself on your client roster this year for 2024. I know I need to get back on that horse. I have not mostly, and I'm sure it's to my detriment, it feels good. It feels comfortable and safe to just serve our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9HVwgRF5WiZSnO7C7ao1mqj00JXPRGbSN2XSTLaudZsMSi6-RCekHvcnrMXiOg5eXq5XBf3Lqx-1v0PsgA6kHXwEOPk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=757.39'>12:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YMb7doQrLOXFMd0gZzK4j3JVjP6FP5xEZLaWN9r77mcvXXbkuOgL8Xm0keeT-NhTV1cxzO-yTb0c4YkS8pZTJiJXA-I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=758.17'>12:38</a>):</p>
<p>But it's important that we put ourselves out there. We have to poke our heads up and go, “Hey, here I am. This is what I can do for you. This is how I can help you.” And I think getting back to what we were saying about what you were saying about the value of PR, everything we do, everything a company does, everything a brand does tells a story about itself, and PR professionals are the ultimate storytellers. We are the ones who can even look at a customer service interaction and help advise. We can advise on so many levels. Our consultancy is not merely, let's get you in the paper. It is. Okay, so the way that that transaction was handled, that's telling this kind of story. If we make these small changes, it's going to tell a different kind of story, and you're going to walk away with a heavier customer. This is how we affect the bottom line. And again, no, is it widget based? Not always. And that makes it difficult to prove your worth. But we do bring so much to the table at a senior advisory level and as solos, that's what we're bringing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lPgY8XUPQsVIL6oF6MOTC_rkMnlIKuN8uulqQzRk9CQvhd8lzPJFLaOI3Ca_4v8JFUANkK8lFo3TIhISYHKkaJvzqA0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=826.33'>13:46</a>):</p>
<p>I also want to speak to a troubling trend that I'm seeing, and that's fewer people accepting less than your market value. My desire is for everyone to have the practice that you want. And so I am not going to be that person that says, if you are not making millions, you're a failure. You are not because you have your own set of income levels and your own goals, but I want you to have what you want to have, not what I want you to have, but what you should have and what you desire. And I want you to have the lifestyle that you want. So we all know that all of us we're experienced, and if we were working in corporate America, we might be making $500-650,000, a million dollars a year, getting bonuses. But that would also come with another price tag. It would mean less flexibility.</p>
<p>It would mean that if you have kids that you couldn't always be home for dinner, that you would miss out on key moments. It mean that you couldn't take off and take three day weekend. So that price comes with another price. So consider all of that, because I know that 2023 was really hard on our industry and hard on us as individuals. We saw lots of talk and lots of attention paid to the mental health of solo PR pros or PR pros in general because PR is very stressful. And many solos really came to a moment of wondering if they wanted to even continue as a solo or if they wanted to go back into corporate America. Sometimes I think that we do look at salaries and benefits and paid vacations, and there are times in all of our careers, and it can happen multiple times where you're like, yeah, that looks pretty good compared to what I'm doing now to work where I want.</p>
<p>But in 2024, I really want you to be really strategic about the services you offer, how you package them, and the price points that you offer. And again, I'm not telling you to aim for a specific number because that's so tailored and so individual, but what I will say to you is, if you're somebody that's looking and saying that, Hey, the salary over here looks really good, I want you to make sure that you do the math that you should be doing, and look at what does that salary really mean? What is it taking to get there? How many hours are they putting in? And make a comparison that actually equates to what you're doing as a solo. And if that number is your goal, I promise you, you can get that number as a solo, whatever that number is, yes, you can get it as a solo.</p>
<p>And if that's your goal, then I want you to be more strategic in achieving your own goals because number one, you don't have to go it alone. I think all solos know that, that we can team up, that we can join forces. You can join forces as a true partnership, or you can join forces as just a consortium of solos. Working together on specific projects can offer a whole different set of services. I love the way that our solos are getting smarter about productizing things and realizing that, Hey, I can have my own little side hustle within my practice by packaging this up and offering this separately. We can all do that. I love that. Yeah. Strategy needs to reign at the top of our list for our own business. We are strategic for our clients. But now I need you in 2024 to make the trend that you're strategic for yourself and how you approach your business and how you offer your services and how you price your services. There is no reason that you should feel like you are struggling in the ghetto of the PR industry while your peers in corporate are thriving in middle and upper middle class status. That line does not have to be drawn. It's up to you. So I want you to be happy, and I want you to be successful because you have what you need that is going to make you feel satisfied.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9SLH2ZTPttal8MRA6FZH4Szfr3iUnY0A5PZdWZRjmkPXV_pUzPF6nE5MpnYljju3u24J-0B3jFhMsxz7xm7YWzXh78s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1087.26'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Well, with that, you've inspired me. Darn. I'm ready to go. Let's go until we stop recording and my to-do list takes over. But yeah, you know what? Let's promise ourselves, this is a promise that we can make to ourselves as PR pros. And why not start right now with this year? Well, we hope that this has been valuable to you. We hope this is giving you a juicy start to 2024. We will put the link to this particular blog in the show notes, and if you hey, inspire others, share this around, we would love that. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This episode was inspired by a recent blog post on SoloPRPro.com – <a href='https://soloprpro.com/pr-2024-forecast/'>The PR Forecast for 2024.</a> What can we expect in – and from – our industry? How can solos get the most out of our businesses this year and beyond? Let’s find out together.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I1oieyPMRspOe-zvWGb1gLPrfsvFli43JDFxGFg1adX9zdPXlDyCA_p7gX7HUdbBJsWw6i6xwiFJmFv_dzWjMqrlkGE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.61'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of the hive of PR, the fabulousness of Solo PR Pro, and I should say, Karen, officially Happy New Year.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S2x3Lbk2EURFKI3BsMlH4gaoCD-3L5MKCJ-fgSse65NcNRjo6wb1kRkn3vni_yQdNkANSGGqx2GXnuVWL57Rwvvb3pQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.5'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yay. Yes. By the time this episode hits, it will be 2024. So hello and Happy New Year, Michelle.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PJ1uo3wEOgmpjWGx9E5obeON7OXaqhju5s-Fn7NUarys4jUYG1372_jZf4wzS-AMoJWAvtjwXmK6-g4fnfNea5fYFO8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.69'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>Can you believe it's, we made it out of 2023. Hopefully</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfWdDo95szTNBfmXi-ZgtuH1dx8D9xsMymIknhtEdsJY3iHUmacrWcP3lMlaY9oJ_P0l-dSTc0Pv3Jy0ovan0lF28-0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=56.5'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>Got out by the seat of our pants</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JYFwVSSvVDF8LsQWxc6VQ8FdgRSnWLMp9aot0i8y4dumnk6Jz3SHttNZEvnxDd2VEvmodNJ0enIiHS94U2n-RVKMGzY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=60.06'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>New year. Let's hope it's not a new dumpster fire.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ypkva16bKnV6BauRL_DufbmeZamUNfhxczB1hLUYOUcGxZv_7_WHAGpqxf2Ln6CoDbc8oX_LgX8Ucn5mmA2D9Yd8sqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=64.38'>01:04</a>):</p>
<p>Let us hope, because 2023 was just a year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a3GY2T3O5vyHocNNOyTDnNqMo3iUWKLoNwzjKn5ItIVT7_oUFYQIatjSgmmUNfjwZ1BGhCaQTSgFQbkDxfZw0z1m8FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.17'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>It definitely had a lot of moments, but we're not going to look back. We're going to look ahead. We are going to address some of the things covered in a recent blog at soloprpro.com, and I encourage you all to head over there and read it. <a href='https://soloprpro.com/pr-2024-forecast/'>The PR Forecast for 2024</a>, who would we be if we didn't kick off the year just taking a look at what we think is to come? And there were some excellent points that you made, Karen, as always one. Of course, the big thing, and we seem to be talking about this a lot, of course, because it has become a part of our PR lives, is AI. In fact, you say it's raining AI. Yeah. Okay. No, I won't sing it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AfAFBDzek-JpeK8GUdpzyrgUJjUxP-WkQ-QIPoeYE-pagl12C6jZd95cRy-FOUiHGmHVQNHV8gcdYsiO-94DSB40kMA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.05'>01:58</a>):</p>
<p>It's true. And sometimes I feel like, oh my God, AI again. But the reason that we're talking about it is because it's evolving so quickly. It's being adopted in so many ways in the workplace. And here's the thing that I think PR people need to really watch for, is that there are errors along the way as we're all learning to use the technology. And so we see companies quickly adopting it and feeling like it can replace human beings. It can never do that. And we're seeing this shakeup of people wanting to use this technology and harness the good things that it can do, become more efficient, streamline as everybody's looking to save dollars. So it does create this tension where there's this shakeup towards the end of 2023, we really saw content people being affected by AI and losing work because writing is being done quicker and faster. The AI tool, however, we also see things that are coming out that are not good. We see agencies that are getting pushback from clients because they're using AI to write everything. So we can't lean on the tool too heavily still. I think that the big story in 2024 for us should be the story that we should be writing is AI is a wonderful tool when used ethically, responsibly, and as a tool, not as the replacement. This is not Megan. This is not body in the firm of</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6kQHWlIj--ZdO216sX99g5boEGnKaUVyLe4Xpq46gG3Lov_GndVjK7vYlFQMJSS5I_Q0smhnRx22OPXBO6gk_xtx_3E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=216.25'>03:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, I completely agree. It is definitely just a tool, a wonderful tool,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_Dsl3rlhf_anvm5d7ZB1JsKyJj9HcymZtAV3WuYMJcUsvUmjKGg3qhvJtyfhqyvYethcQNa3McbFuiVKFbPv2YUJtXs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=222.1'>03:42</a>):</p>
<p>A wonderful tool.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CMAxVHPrR054zmP0bLMoxm0u9wHwF7NuGI5MwuDEueRagigicNd8f5SBLJFMv36pRHiZgX_NY7DMKY1FgfDtXZoIfH0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=223.15'>03:43</a>):</p>
<p>But the fears of replacement, those that use it that way, well do it at your own peril because it is not perfect. I don't care how good it's getting. It's never going to replace the human touch. It's never going to replace, and I'm saying it - never. Just the experience and the depth and the layers that a person can bring. Does it help us? Absolutely. Does it help unpack parts of our brain? Because honestly, I love to write, and yet sometimes depending what I'm writing as I'm loving it, it so it drains you, right? But having this little bit of a help is great, but only you know how to finesse a sentence. Only you know how to make it sing. I forget, I saw it was one of those Facebook posts that goes around, but talking about writing and having a cadence and a rhythm and how that's important to the way your brain receives it, and it's just not there. And I know we were joking off before we started recording, and I won't mention it or read it, but I saw a social media post last night that was so glaringly AI written thanks to the flowery prose that did not sound natural or even it was just bad. I thought, oh, tell me you had ai write your social media posts without telling me you had ai. Write your social media posts.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6cTDlSXvFLNSMKaFjCAgoorbCloBNOUXlH5D_fMhsM35Zzv3jebtfNRM1cDYyz2q6aDUphifMQSNKqgrOWAkiwmwKWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=310'>05:10</a>):</p>
<p>And let's face it, AI is being integrated into almost every single tool that we're already using media databases to our signature stamps. The world has gone AI crazy. And you know what? In some channels, in some instances, AI completely 100% AI written content may be just fine. It may pass. It's not very good, and it's not very good because for the people who are utilizing AI in that way, because there's plenty of social media platforms that now have an AI component, and yes, they'll generate your posts and generate your visuals. Inherently, there's nothing wrong with that as a starting point or as an ideation point. But again, what happens is that AI should not treated like another member of your team. So you don't want to do away with your marketing team and replace it with AI or you're going to be in trouble. And the laziness, like all laziness in the work setting, you're only going to be able to ride that train for a little while. It's going to stop at some point because people, your audience deserves more and they're going to want better from you.</p>
<p>But the scary part for I think communications people is that you will have these companies, we saw it in 2023 in a way that I have not seen in a long time with a lot of people not believing in PR anymore. They just don't see the value. Big companies, you have groups of CMOs who no longer see the value. And so for those people, they think AI is fine. We will just AI our press releases. We'll AI the stuff, we'll do everything on our own. We'll have marketing handle it because we can draw a straight line and AI will take the place. So I feel like there'll be a little bit of tumult, but I do believe that there will be backlash to anyone who is misusing AI in this way pretty quickly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/flcebHZr3pad1V2ZSoowGba6BCEvoEcCn5I1Qv3vcCauJbJwQ9c9YqGWurqACN30MhPU-jBAEpgUuwm2KgNcGME7HtU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=438.05'>07:18</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Because the people who are receiving these messages, they don't want fake, they don't want glossy, they don't want stuff that's churned out whether they're realizing it or not. Eventually, there will be a backlash. And I mean, think of it this way, as a company, do you do anything without reviewing it first? Do you put anything out there without taking a look at it? Because for those that just rely solely on AI as anything but a tool within your processes, really. Okay, good luck with that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QnbB9GfGvnPUWmPNQkGLLyLIryt5q_Qb9IszcNCEUL-kZ1n9sAZECbp0nD9FVagFDH3v_FUv9HABPKOGNvaUKznpcLQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.72'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uu5T-KfrEQC5zAHr6HzuEtYeNJYIEau_8eZmp_ZiMAIGbgXEvYlkdcfJ0GOWa6wBqOP-c7F1GIMwyjpAODAhNwx9M1A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=481.22'>08:01</a>):</p>
<p>We'll be here to help you pick up the pieces. But yeah, and that is another thing that you did mention in this blog about just the value of PR and how yeah, it really does matter. And like you say, PR has always had a PR problem, haven't we? We're so busy singing the praises of clients and doing client work that all too often we ignore ourselves and our industry and how important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IzhO0HVdWaLVs-YLODiOVkFtM8cllR8AOOjhL48L_NjtS9DjBUwvJMrBOGhA3mtFG0wYV772O9Q2wlnCQqlA48Pizxo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.42'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that we've allowed, unfortunately, everyone else to write our story. We're not the best as an industry at owning our narrative. And it's unfortunate because we get reduced to being media hits and you're only as good as your last media hit. There are PR people, as we all know, that don't even offer media relations services, and there are some that specialize in that. I'm not diminishing the value of media relations. However, the people that specialize in media relations are far from what the public believes they are. They are strategic, they are aligning with the organizational goals. They are providing counseling much more than just, Hey, they're pitching all day. That's all they do. That's not what they do at all. And I believe that a big part of the public really doesn't understand the depth of things that we do as practitioners and the value that we bring to an organization. Unfortunately, what that means is because they don't see the value. We did see a lot of cuts in 2023, but I would like to say that I do believe that particularly for solos and small agencies, don't allow the negative news, the layoffs, and the cuts to drive your 2024 strategy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bxBIl4sd2Yn3fN4Y7VLk8T0aXvZrz09W6q87KmjSI-nh86urKod66iS9L9FhzV82IuHU275BU38awKbNdziBi61rFTc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=600.42'>10:00</a>):</p>
<p>Agree,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9aRZ8uyu8IR0vvQZ0WlnszUW0CTO9cD5flrJe4nZROVJjsmREepmg6Yq5I3nHfRNJNBG0yGmCww90viPyGpN-mmWMBI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=601.08'>10:01</a>):</p>
<p>There is opportunity in 2024. You have to be willing to innovate the way that you approach things. You have to be willing to take a step back and look as a whole and see the gaps that you can fill and understand. And we did a blog post on this too, what your secret sauce really is, and lean into that because I'm telling you that those who differentiate themselves, those who are willing to modernize their approach, you are going to win in 2024. If you are so busy trying to make yourself look like the traditional agency, you're going to get lost in the mix because there are a lot of companies that would prefer to work with agile, non-traditional agencies. And again, I'm not bashing the traditional agency model. I'm saying don't try to be like them. Stand out and be who you are and lean even further into that special ingredient that is really unique to you and market the heck out of it because there's a place for us. But you have to own that place. You have to step up. You have to be bold, you have to be willing to do your branding. You have to be willing to do your business development outreach. But there is business on the table. This is a huge opportunity for people like us, and I do not want you to miss it in 2024.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tFKBhrAK3z--GKz0fCFZ_2PUvkswOvlGmZ4RU66KwxU7NCz25KOSB7_SMx3HoLAWhN5H8ajO32fSEB9KwnPOIEuiviA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=685.59'>11:25</a>):</p>
<p>I love what you said. Lean into your secret sauce. And it's so true because all of us as solos at the very outset, our clients are getting advisement from a senior professional. And you're just not getting that elsewhere. And again, again, right? Not to bash agencies, of course not. But if someone needs someone who can come in, assess the situation, get things rolling without having to wait a week for 60 different approvals with the processes, again, that's fine for some. But if there are clients out there who don't necessarily need all that, not that we're not careful, I am the most paranoid, uptight, careful person in the world. But you, you're getting, as Liam Neeson would say, a special set of skills when you go with a solo. And we haven't said this in a very long time, and I am talking to myself again, but yes, put yourself on your client roster this year for 2024. I know I need to get back on that horse. I have not mostly, and I'm sure it's to my detriment, it feels good. It feels comfortable and safe to just serve our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9HVwgRF5WiZSnO7C7ao1mqj00JXPRGbSN2XSTLaudZsMSi6-RCekHvcnrMXiOg5eXq5XBf3Lqx-1v0PsgA6kHXwEOPk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=757.39'>12:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YMb7doQrLOXFMd0gZzK4j3JVjP6FP5xEZLaWN9r77mcvXXbkuOgL8Xm0keeT-NhTV1cxzO-yTb0c4YkS8pZTJiJXA-I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=758.17'>12:38</a>):</p>
<p>But it's important that we put ourselves out there. We have to poke our heads up and go, “Hey, here I am. This is what I can do for you. This is how I can help you.” And I think getting back to what we were saying about what you were saying about the value of PR, everything we do, everything a company does, everything a brand does tells a story about itself, and PR professionals are the ultimate storytellers. We are the ones who can even look at a customer service interaction and help advise. We can advise on so many levels. Our consultancy is not merely, let's get you in the paper. It is. Okay, so the way that that transaction was handled, that's telling this kind of story. If we make these small changes, it's going to tell a different kind of story, and you're going to walk away with a heavier customer. This is how we affect the bottom line. And again, no, is it widget based? Not always. And that makes it difficult to prove your worth. But we do bring so much to the table at a senior advisory level and as solos, that's what we're bringing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lPgY8XUPQsVIL6oF6MOTC_rkMnlIKuN8uulqQzRk9CQvhd8lzPJFLaOI3Ca_4v8JFUANkK8lFo3TIhISYHKkaJvzqA0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=826.33'>13:46</a>):</p>
<p>I also want to speak to a troubling trend that I'm seeing, and that's fewer people accepting less than your market value. My desire is for everyone to have the practice that you want. And so I am not going to be that person that says, if you are not making millions, you're a failure. You are not because you have your own set of income levels and your own goals, but I want you to have what you want to have, not what I want you to have, but what you should have and what you desire. And I want you to have the lifestyle that you want. So we all know that all of us we're experienced, and if we were working in corporate America, we might be making $500-650,000, a million dollars a year, getting bonuses. But that would also come with another price tag. It would mean less flexibility.</p>
<p>It would mean that if you have kids that you couldn't always be home for dinner, that you would miss out on key moments. It mean that you couldn't take off and take three day weekend. So that price comes with another price. So consider all of that, because I know that 2023 was really hard on our industry and hard on us as individuals. We saw lots of talk and lots of attention paid to the mental health of solo PR pros or PR pros in general because PR is very stressful. And many solos really came to a moment of wondering if they wanted to even continue as a solo or if they wanted to go back into corporate America. Sometimes I think that we do look at salaries and benefits and paid vacations, and there are times in all of our careers, and it can happen multiple times where you're like, yeah, that looks pretty good compared to what I'm doing now to work where I want.</p>
<p>But in 2024, I really want you to be really strategic about the services you offer, how you package them, and the price points that you offer. And again, I'm not telling you to aim for a specific number because that's so tailored and so individual, but what I will say to you is, if you're somebody that's looking and saying that, Hey, the salary over here looks really good, I want you to make sure that you do the math that you should be doing, and look at what does that salary really mean? What is it taking to get there? How many hours are they putting in? And make a comparison that actually equates to what you're doing as a solo. And if that number is your goal, I promise you, you can get that number as a solo, whatever that number is, yes, you can get it as a solo.</p>
<p>And if that's your goal, then I want you to be more strategic in achieving your own goals because number one, you don't have to go it alone. I think all solos know that, that we can team up, that we can join forces. You can join forces as a true partnership, or you can join forces as just a consortium of solos. Working together on specific projects can offer a whole different set of services. I love the way that our solos are getting smarter about productizing things and realizing that, Hey, I can have my own little side hustle within my practice by packaging this up and offering this separately. We can all do that. I love that. Yeah. Strategy needs to reign at the top of our list for our own business. We are strategic for our clients. But now I need you in 2024 to make the trend that you're strategic for yourself and how you approach your business and how you offer your services and how you price your services. There is no reason that you should feel like you are struggling in the ghetto of the PR industry while your peers in corporate are thriving in middle and upper middle class status. That line does not have to be drawn. It's up to you. So I want you to be happy, and I want you to be successful because you have what you need that is going to make you feel satisfied.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9SLH2ZTPttal8MRA6FZH4Szfr3iUnY0A5PZdWZRjmkPXV_pUzPF6nE5MpnYljju3u24J-0B3jFhMsxz7xm7YWzXh78s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1087.26'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Well, with that, you've inspired me. Darn. I'm ready to go. Let's go until we stop recording and my to-do list takes over. But yeah, you know what? Let's promise ourselves, this is a promise that we can make to ourselves as PR pros. And why not start right now with this year? Well, we hope that this has been valuable to you. We hope this is giving you a juicy start to 2024. We will put the link to this particular blog in the show notes, and if you hey, inspire others, share this around, we would love that. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of the hive of PR, the fabulousness of Solo PR Pro, and I should say, Karen, officially Happy New Year.
Karen Swim, APR (00:40):
Yay. Yes. By the time this episode hits, it will be 2024. So hello and Happy New Year, Michelle.
Michelle Kane (00:48):
Can you believe it's, we made it out of 2023. Hopefully
Karen Swim, APR (00:56):
Got out by the seat of our pants
Michelle Kane (01:00):
New year. Let's hope it's not a new dumpster fire.
Karen Swim, APR (01:04):
Let us hope, because 2023 was just a year.
Michelle Kane (01:10):
It definitely had a lot of moments, but we're not going to look back. We're going to look ahead. We are going to address some of the things covered in a recent blog at soloprpro.com, and I encourage you all to head over there and read it. The PR Forecast for 2024, who would we be if we didn't kick off the year just taking a look at what we think is to come? And there were some excellent points that you made, Karen, as always one. Of course, the big thing, and we seem to be talking about this a lot, of course, because it has become a part of our PR lives, is AI. In fact, you say it's raining AI. Yeah. Okay. No, I won't sing it.
Karen Swim, APR (01:58):
It's true. And sometimes I feel like, oh my God, AI again. But the reason that we're talking about it is because it's evolving so quickly. It's being adopted in so many ways in the workplace. And here's the thing that I think PR people need to really watch for, is that there are errors along the way as we're all learning to use the technology. And so we see companies quickly adopting it and feeling like it can replace human beings. It can never do that. And we're seeing this shakeup of people wanting to use this technology and harness the good things that it can do, become more efficient, streamline as everybody's looking to save dollars. So it does create this tension where there's this shakeup towards the end of 2023, we really saw content people being affected by AI and losing work because writing is being done quicker and faster. The AI tool, however, we also see things that are coming out that are not good. We see agencies that are getting pushback from clients because they're using AI to write everything. So we can't lean on the tool too heavily still. I think that the big story in 2024 for us should be the story that we should be writing is AI is a wonderful tool when used ethically, responsibly, and as a tool, not as the replacement. This is not Megan. This is not body in the firm of
Michelle Kane (03:36):
Yeah, no, I completely agree. It is definitely just a tool, a wonderful tool,
Karen Swim, APR (03:42):
A wonderful tool.
Michelle Kane (03:43):
But the fears of replacement, those that use it that way, well do it at your own peril because it is not perfect. I don't care how good it's getting. It's never going to replace the human touch. It's never going to replace, and I'm saying it - never. Just the experience and the depth and the layers that a person can bring. Does it help us? Absolutely. Does it help unpack parts of our brain? Because honestly, I love to write, and yet sometimes depending what I'm writing as I'm loving it, it so it drains you, right? But having this little bit of a help is great, but only you know how to finesse a sentence. Only you know how to make it sing. I forget, I saw it was one of those Facebook posts that goes around, but talking about writing and having a cadence and a rhythm and how that's important to the way your brain receives it, and it's just no]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>PR pros and journalists share a lot of common ground, including stress levels. Sometimes communication breaks down. Sometimes, whether it’s beyond our control or not, we can’t give the other what they want or need. But what we can do is continue to do our best to work together.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bepT8A300QLL-ylZdFpbYewGMLIbGlTjRh68ARS3wZw6fkAgkTG0xUS6Y1PulndiRuEUfA1vj9Ucai-2ohPUu-yNld4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.94'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/M0BgkXBMKgRwu-RolN4jAV3N36KfNCyO5aHeXCgHTaQmbmJ8WZvGB6fWukRocem3hGcgPISRU-xvENMnF1B6wsSn7_U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.2'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I am doing so great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/omgILb8drCaUlZcAnErk0RUHVJxra41BRiWBiJ5Oohi-LuP9xwz7o7wc0QtE_HbH6hqhYayKTU4mJoXuP2Hm7VG38Eg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.17'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well. Not bad. For a Monday. Monday, Monday. Isn't that how it goes in the wrestling ring or I think dirt track races. Anyway. Yeah, not bad for a Monday. We're in the midst of the holiday season, but we thought we talked today about something kind of, well, it's kind of funny, we saw, but it also is all too real in our world. A little bit of a PR/Journo SmackDown</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h3wcKz90gX-NS-3DoTIcbjqhVHO_yR1Mwr6HCtEoTMV4_4erUqLmW_gF5eZCGyfeahI191XDDToTXcs28JLtqJrdxRs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.27'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>And the smacks went both ways. Yes,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t97CIoGdRHIlw2Bg49HoR-LzIGCnzMczTj9JQ7sh1wlIMVxWSkD9v2W46wbcu9rtj4EaY_hlroJaGTCuJuXQ4f0EOG8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.09'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Would you say about me?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TpbuSWr5H9EETZM3ymyPUz6s1vRiCDgwPQ2WRW0V6WnPOBPZQvV281x_Trq7aSVOQIYGQmnmX1N0BMfqHgO8PLbottg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.9'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>But</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UzrKGdkvHG71MpZ5ubNviL0OvJ3m5DEVrS863SmphOg7pouKB7u2D3yHtOcjKutjxUrsu2hqJiCTisYNA1_da37fUbY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.77'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it happens. It happens. We all get frustrated with each other and wonder why we do the things we do the way we do them.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gxBEbv6M3YQNjSb9pln__Ul7uXH-N7lBlekyBahQEEygMyDkaaXn_qk8N1PRTtwlqMX8pZ-EScPSeYGrSIWi1Mrszbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.35'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. But my favorite smack downs always come with a caveat from a journalist that said that they used to be in PR and as justifies or that they know all, and maybe it was 20 years ago, and we all know that the world has changed dramatically since that time. So that would be like any of us pulling out an old job and going, yeah, I did that job, but did you do it this year?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VQsvNKhX564a6pCnEcMja6zKZPJJ94Wz7s5HjdnjXZSMHBz1Rki9hCOTYSSZ-mBf8fiN00Dy9wNX5Bgb6u3N947PE_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.37'>01:38</a>):</p>
<p>This year especially.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kiMnRdtY-q1yQzAfycrMhNJvhmfzfwxFlP5QSug-3rDJEP4zawOuXVPYlCi0PkjRvAX7ZrAxyef8dG1_nULgbd1NeZw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.35'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>This year especially. I'm just asking for a friend because there are, and I think that goes both ways. There are plenty of PR people that started on the journalism side, and if they did that 15 years ago, the world is vastly different for our journalist friends as well. So it is funny, but that they add that in as though like, well, I know, and that somehow gives me the authority to be completely icky to you and criticize your entire profession based on the actions of one person who may be new to the job untrained or completely stressed out and about to jump over a cliff and probably has the mental health hotline on hold as they're trying to hold it all together long enough to get to the end of the seer,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kAYkmVmQ7ww8sgzMKSJPAhvVB2fzSFDekPaGsWSPZsbhpB-kw7hckq2gZ46kgJ2NONGy-qTc0ffe45tpvxKNtqojQ6Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.15'>02:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Because a lot of the times the issue is, oh, you reach out to us, you don't get back to us. We don't hear from you. And all the while not really realizing, well, we're herding our own cats over here. Our clients are equally busy and stretched out. So sometimes it is difficult to get them when the opportunity arises because they're not fully cognizant of the notion that when the opportunity hits, they have to be ready and not just, of course they can be mentally prepared, but no, you have to be available now. And sometimes that just doesn't get conveyed.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SNrh9OvG50bzgR9rd_689oAYwRqERCKxZcLxa1vzH1amiFVWTj81KMhW7O_qX8ZLQU7DTTNnQOq3oYHfpdQb3p8kQ9s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=192.16'>03:12</a>):</p>
<p>And so in this particular latest SmackDown, it happened in a private forum which was so much nicer than it happening on X or happening on one of the open social media platforms because that's usually where you see it. And I will say that while we joke about this because, and we can laugh about the things that are said as a professional, whether you're a journalist or a PR person, it is so demoralizing to go to your feed and see something that is belittling your entire profession. And I think that there's a few things happening. One is that we do have multi-generations in the workforce, and I think we all have to stop and think about that and that every generation does not work in the same way that another generation works. And I don't mean that. I'm not saying that one generation is superior, has a different or a better work ethic.</p>
<p>What I'm saying is that some of the things that we assumed early on in our career are not true for every generation. And so we either have to come to a place where, and I do feel some of this is on employers to get everybody aligned on the same page. You need to teach people. Do not make these assumptions. If you are running a PR team, then you need to set the expectation, here's how you follow up with journalists. Here's the information that you provide in emails. Here's when you use email, here's when you use Slack. Here's when you make text and phone numbers available so that your entire team is operating from the same playbook. Don't just send them out into the world and expect that everybody is going to do this job The same way we have a generation of digital natives. We have actually more than one generation now, digital natives.</p>
<p>They do not use the phone to make phone calls. They really do not making a phone call seems invasive, and so they don't do it. And by the way, it's not natural to them to provide a phone number in a signature when people just don't use phones like that anymore. They use email, they use text messaging. And so I think it's unfair when you say there's no phone number in your email signature because not everybody does that anymore. And to be honest, a lot of people have been warned against doing that because phone numbers aren't an identifier and there's so much fraud out there. We're all trying to protect as much of our information as possible. I get that there are workarounds, believe it or not, everyone knows about those workarounds and not everybody wants those rounds.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IpvIdWvDVSTGf5RIjdhLEPUDZe3L8MvhJ2yGQfIjwMWpcVZ5ntHeY_6XUKRAuwJqL_5DvKWz3_RySiSR0S7sTdxAOnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.89'>05:57</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Right. And I think one of the key things that you honed in on there was establishing systems. If you have the systems in place, then everyone can at least be on the same page. So much as just from the thinking of, okay, all of us might have to step a direction outside of our usual comfort level or patterns for following the systems for press follow up or press contact. I think that's one way to work around it, but you're still not going to fulfill everyone's expectations just for you and your team. That's not for every single journalist out there journal. And there are particular proclivities.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eSlzbJCJxgWpb8cwvKbGHgmIdH3hWmznEJzbrj32dDA8tqFi1JK8T0DONVwWKlaLSDZXKWlaFeIjVI6sSgRbxoh4gKg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=397.79'>06:37</a>):</p>
<p>It's interesting that you brought that up because we all probably devour those how to pitch. One pitch does this, how to pitch, so-and-so it's X publication. Those are great. However, the way that one person likes to be pitched is not the way another person likes to be pitched. Sometimes you'll go on track and there are notes like, I only want to be pitched in the morning from nine to noon in my time zone. I will not answer you if I'm interested. You'll just have to wait.</p>
<p>I point out that as a PR professional, we are doing outreach to so many journalists. It is impossible to follow everybody's rules to the letter all the time. Sometimes you're just going to blow it sometimes with good reason. Sometimes you're needing to pitch a set of journalists on something that is time sensitive and you are trying to get your work done and serve your client. So you may send an email that comes at 1230 rather than by the new cutoff. God forbid. I personally try to adhere to all those rules, but I'm saying it's really unfair and unrealistic to burden PR people do the best. Always be respectful, make sure that you're pitching on target that it's relevant to that journalist. But outside of that, there are just some things that we may not get perfectly. Please do not burn us at the stake if we miss one of your particular rules.</p>
<p>If we use three sentences instead of two, or if our word count is five words over your maximum, please do not berate a poor PR person for that because they're not trying to be disrespectful. They're not trying to ruin your day. And I would say the same if journalists turn that around and you have to memorize all the rules for working with the PR people that you work with, you would go insane and you already have enough on your plate. We honestly are trying to make your jobs easier and we're also trying to get our jobs done. And by the way, sometimes the people that we work with and are working on behalf, they're not being the easiest. So give us a break.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xMzsx-wMZ3i3qEURLGHpvCK4jhWzLP8p8ck4GK_kGz1bAeFUKTDXgLDeCRmmG1PrJ_A7j_y6XIqdxPr_VVRXQ4tdjkM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.25'>09:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think what you hit on there is that, look, we're all doing our best and sometimes if someone's best doesn't measure up to your best, well give it some grace. Just count to five, scream, write the scathing post and delete it. But sure, are there absolute buffoons in any profession? Absolutely. What are you going to do? But don't always go from zero to you are the worst. I'm going to scream about it somewhere,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LYrE_A40riRhAMUAAmM7ZkmoBdnBvNJJCyhaDTG9ATL5Zoh1YMOEfR679BMoZAW0VtDRwepX6Sm-4TLNrIh1jiQrERk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.47'>09:37</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean this one particular rant was about a journalist and a PR pro that were working together and then one couldn't find the other. The communications weren't being answered. I want to tell you that that happens on a daily basis in media relations for every PR pro that I know, at least the solos. I don't know what's going on, but I can tell you every solo PR pro, 100% of us experience this routinely. Sometimes it's just because the journalist is just overwhelmed. It can't answer everybody when you're already establishing working together, because I promise you, every single time, even when there's a yes, even when there's interest, even when you're happy that we brought you information, even when you're in the middle of writing, sometimes you guys go away and we don't hear from you. Even when we've recorded something or done an interview and you tell us to do something and we come back immediately, we don't always hear from you right away and we get it.</p>
<p>Life is overwhelming right now for everyone. God forbid though, that the tables are turned and it's you who can't get in touch with a PR pro. Now I will say, I don't think that that's ever professional. I'm sorry if there's a problem, speak up. But here's the thing that I've noticed, people don't know how to communicate and they don't like to communicate bad news. They don't like to communicate. If you're a PR pro, we have a younger generation that just does not know how to speak up and say, Hey, I'm working really hard to get the response back from my client and they are not answering me. I'm so sorry. I know this is frustrating. They don't understand the value of protecting the relationship with the journalist. You're not throwing your client under the bus, but your tackle in how you're managing it, they just say nothing because they're just not comfortable with it.</p>
<p>I mean, have you ever gone into a store and watched how people don't even want to say hello because it's like this foreign thing now and it's sad to me. Of course, and I do think that if you're in PR that we need to do a better job of training our incoming PR people on soft skills as well as the heart skills. But Michelle, I love that you use the word grace. It's so appropriate. We just need to all give each other some grace and yes, it's frustrating. It makes everyone's job so frustrating, and we've all had those moments where you want to scream into a pillow or go throw axes after work because can I just get my job done?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R1iLipMhTMsHEqc9MuV7sWWJ4md4fSm9Cr3b25rS012OfHs8XGI7RTFURjXadDTyIAFnjkLgXg63hjlLqTPZXUAWb3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=737.89'>12:17</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, it's so true. And what you said about communication is so important. It's like we're reluctant to give an update that maybe isn't ideal, but I always tell people, I would rather you tell me the same information two and three times, then not at all. Just hit me with it. I know how to hit the delete key if I don't want it to hear it again. It's really not that hard to do and it is true. So almost used to this passive means of communication that we just don't want to do it. It's like, oh, do I have to do that? It's like, yeah, just do it. We've all seen the different memes or the comics of that feeling when I did that task that took 10 seconds that I've been dreading for 10 weeks. Just do it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JKrZZyRwlKLtCT8pFrJKIcN079z2fgJz4C1bafSMNdHXIPtltfmYDBHG5zCSc0ziQiEiGZfEJ66juMANu3V3UJvYVRU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.93'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, it's part of being in business and being a professional, and we really do need to get back to training people how to talk to one another and how to handle difficult conversations because I feel like this is becoming a loss art, and it's playing out not only in the workforce, it's playing out in families. How many parents are just not having hard conversations with their kids or teachers are dealing with parents when they tell them something that's not favorable in the nicest way possible. The parents are going off on the teachers. We are going to become a society where we just don't want to talk to anyone and we never address anything, and that's just not a good place to be. And so what we're not defending the actions of a PR person or a journalist who just drops out of communication with you unless they're sick or something else is going on.</p>
<p>And that's the other thing. You never know what people are dealing with in their personal lives. Sometimes people are working through illness, sometimes they are grieving and they just really are not themselves. Maybe they're dealing with pressures at work that just are overwhelming, and so we do have to take a step back. But even with those hard things, if you really are just not yourself, you don't have to disclose all of your personal information, but if it's about communicating and letting people know, at least like, Hey, I got your email. I'm so sorry. I have some things going on and I'm really behind. Here's where we are. Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lzv8jQcxtX3kAS5mNFdoGjCEeFgX1HmBSwj1lZrJSi7J_-Hzqy6wAF6H3SwWe1aSnmmpz47paEvT448_NosYIRsmUfM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=886.12'>14:46</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Just to check in. Hey, I'm sorry if I've been unavailable to you. I really apologize. Apologize. Here's the latest status. That's it. It doesn't have to be a big deal, even if the other person's making it a big deal. You don't have to answer at that level. You don't have to meet them at the same volume or level of annoyance you can just sail on. That's the beauty of email. You don't have to just respond like that in the same tone,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dIIMqS4FU9BUkQVd7khtBMrBnJEd4x94ai7S5NFtdRcofoxqIZW7Z7SEhj0VPxWChwCvIzi2QnkMhEjfhLmBfIkDCAA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.63'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>But please be available by a channel that you have set. Don't just ignore that channel.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bZ_RYnfoM985oVke7JJEyviSdFI5lwRjg5-T9UgUrvbUG6U5EBLQbm7nOnUmnSbrDF4oNFtfkrvo1VLDWfSyDt8mPno?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=921.32'>15:21</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Yeah. That's all we ask. Have some grace. Don't ignore it. It really won't hurt. Let's just keep each other updated. Let's help us do what we do because goodness knows there's enough going on around us to add to our stress, so we don't want to do that. But we hope you've gotten some value out of our time together today. If you do, please share it around. Please hit us up with your best stories at soloprpro.com. We would love to hear that. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR pros and journalists share a lot of common ground, including stress levels. Sometimes communication breaks down. Sometimes, whether it’s beyond our control or not, we can’t give the other what they want or need. But what we can do is continue to do our best to work together.</p>
<p>Let us know what you think of today’s episode at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bepT8A300QLL-ylZdFpbYewGMLIbGlTjRh68ARS3wZw6fkAgkTG0xUS6Y1PulndiRuEUfA1vj9Ucai-2ohPUu-yNld4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.94'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/M0BgkXBMKgRwu-RolN4jAV3N36KfNCyO5aHeXCgHTaQmbmJ8WZvGB6fWukRocem3hGcgPISRU-xvENMnF1B6wsSn7_U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.2'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I am doing so great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/omgILb8drCaUlZcAnErk0RUHVJxra41BRiWBiJ5Oohi-LuP9xwz7o7wc0QtE_HbH6hqhYayKTU4mJoXuP2Hm7VG38Eg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.17'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well. Not bad. For a Monday. Monday, Monday. Isn't that how it goes in the wrestling ring or I think dirt track races. Anyway. Yeah, not bad for a Monday. We're in the midst of the holiday season, but we thought we talked today about something kind of, well, it's kind of funny, we saw, but it also is all too real in our world. A little bit of a PR/Journo SmackDown</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h3wcKz90gX-NS-3DoTIcbjqhVHO_yR1Mwr6HCtEoTMV4_4erUqLmW_gF5eZCGyfeahI191XDDToTXcs28JLtqJrdxRs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.27'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>And the smacks went both ways. Yes,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t97CIoGdRHIlw2Bg49HoR-LzIGCnzMczTj9JQ7sh1wlIMVxWSkD9v2W46wbcu9rtj4EaY_hlroJaGTCuJuXQ4f0EOG8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.09'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Would you say about me?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TpbuSWr5H9EETZM3ymyPUz6s1vRiCDgwPQ2WRW0V6WnPOBPZQvV281x_Trq7aSVOQIYGQmnmX1N0BMfqHgO8PLbottg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=54.9'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>But</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UzrKGdkvHG71MpZ5ubNviL0OvJ3m5DEVrS863SmphOg7pouKB7u2D3yHtOcjKutjxUrsu2hqJiCTisYNA1_da37fUbY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.77'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it happens. It happens. We all get frustrated with each other and wonder why we do the things we do the way we do them.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gxBEbv6M3YQNjSb9pln__Ul7uXH-N7lBlekyBahQEEygMyDkaaXn_qk8N1PRTtwlqMX8pZ-EScPSeYGrSIWi1Mrszbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.35'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. But my favorite smack downs always come with a caveat from a journalist that said that they used to be in PR and as justifies or that they know all, and maybe it was 20 years ago, and we all know that the world has changed dramatically since that time. So that would be like any of us pulling out an old job and going, yeah, I did that job, but did you do it this year?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VQsvNKhX564a6pCnEcMja6zKZPJJ94Wz7s5HjdnjXZSMHBz1Rki9hCOTYSSZ-mBf8fiN00Dy9wNX5Bgb6u3N947PE_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=98.37'>01:38</a>):</p>
<p>This year especially.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kiMnRdtY-q1yQzAfycrMhNJvhmfzfwxFlP5QSug-3rDJEP4zawOuXVPYlCi0PkjRvAX7ZrAxyef8dG1_nULgbd1NeZw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.35'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>This year especially. I'm just asking for a friend because there are, and I think that goes both ways. There are plenty of PR people that started on the journalism side, and if they did that 15 years ago, the world is vastly different for our journalist friends as well. So it is funny, but that they add that in as though like, well, I know, and that somehow gives me the authority to be completely icky to you and criticize your entire profession based on the actions of one person who may be new to the job untrained or completely stressed out and about to jump over a cliff and probably has the mental health hotline on hold as they're trying to hold it all together long enough to get to the end of the seer,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kAYkmVmQ7ww8sgzMKSJPAhvVB2fzSFDekPaGsWSPZsbhpB-kw7hckq2gZ46kgJ2NONGy-qTc0ffe45tpvxKNtqojQ6Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=150.15'>02:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Because a lot of the times the issue is, oh, you reach out to us, you don't get back to us. We don't hear from you. And all the while not really realizing, well, we're herding our own cats over here. Our clients are equally busy and stretched out. So sometimes it is difficult to get them when the opportunity arises because they're not fully cognizant of the notion that when the opportunity hits, they have to be ready and not just, of course they can be mentally prepared, but no, you have to be available now. And sometimes that just doesn't get conveyed.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SNrh9OvG50bzgR9rd_689oAYwRqERCKxZcLxa1vzH1amiFVWTj81KMhW7O_qX8ZLQU7DTTNnQOq3oYHfpdQb3p8kQ9s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=192.16'>03:12</a>):</p>
<p>And so in this particular latest SmackDown, it happened in a private forum which was so much nicer than it happening on X or happening on one of the open social media platforms because that's usually where you see it. And I will say that while we joke about this because, and we can laugh about the things that are said as a professional, whether you're a journalist or a PR person, it is so demoralizing to go to your feed and see something that is belittling your entire profession. And I think that there's a few things happening. One is that we do have multi-generations in the workforce, and I think we all have to stop and think about that and that every generation does not work in the same way that another generation works. And I don't mean that. I'm not saying that one generation is superior, has a different or a better work ethic.</p>
<p>What I'm saying is that some of the things that we assumed early on in our career are not true for every generation. And so we either have to come to a place where, and I do feel some of this is on employers to get everybody aligned on the same page. You need to teach people. Do not make these assumptions. If you are running a PR team, then you need to set the expectation, here's how you follow up with journalists. Here's the information that you provide in emails. Here's when you use email, here's when you use Slack. Here's when you make text and phone numbers available so that your entire team is operating from the same playbook. Don't just send them out into the world and expect that everybody is going to do this job The same way we have a generation of digital natives. We have actually more than one generation now, digital natives.</p>
<p>They do not use the phone to make phone calls. They really do not making a phone call seems invasive, and so they don't do it. And by the way, it's not natural to them to provide a phone number in a signature when people just don't use phones like that anymore. They use email, they use text messaging. And so I think it's unfair when you say there's no phone number in your email signature because not everybody does that anymore. And to be honest, a lot of people have been warned against doing that because phone numbers aren't an identifier and there's so much fraud out there. We're all trying to protect as much of our information as possible. I get that there are workarounds, believe it or not, everyone knows about those workarounds and not everybody wants those rounds.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IpvIdWvDVSTGf5RIjdhLEPUDZe3L8MvhJ2yGQfIjwMWpcVZ5ntHeY_6XUKRAuwJqL_5DvKWz3_RySiSR0S7sTdxAOnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=357.89'>05:57</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Right. And I think one of the key things that you honed in on there was establishing systems. If you have the systems in place, then everyone can at least be on the same page. So much as just from the thinking of, okay, all of us might have to step a direction outside of our usual comfort level or patterns for following the systems for press follow up or press contact. I think that's one way to work around it, but you're still not going to fulfill everyone's expectations just for you and your team. That's not for every single journalist out there journal. And there are particular proclivities.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eSlzbJCJxgWpb8cwvKbGHgmIdH3hWmznEJzbrj32dDA8tqFi1JK8T0DONVwWKlaLSDZXKWlaFeIjVI6sSgRbxoh4gKg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=397.79'>06:37</a>):</p>
<p>It's interesting that you brought that up because we all probably devour those how to pitch. One pitch does this, how to pitch, so-and-so it's X publication. Those are great. However, the way that one person likes to be pitched is not the way another person likes to be pitched. Sometimes you'll go on track and there are notes like, I only want to be pitched in the morning from nine to noon in my time zone. I will not answer you if I'm interested. You'll just have to wait.</p>
<p>I point out that as a PR professional, we are doing outreach to so many journalists. It is impossible to follow everybody's rules to the letter all the time. Sometimes you're just going to blow it sometimes with good reason. Sometimes you're needing to pitch a set of journalists on something that is time sensitive and you are trying to get your work done and serve your client. So you may send an email that comes at 1230 rather than by the new cutoff. God forbid. I personally try to adhere to all those rules, but I'm saying it's really unfair and unrealistic to burden PR people do the best. Always be respectful, make sure that you're pitching on target that it's relevant to that journalist. But outside of that, there are just some things that we may not get perfectly. Please do not burn us at the stake if we miss one of your particular rules.</p>
<p>If we use three sentences instead of two, or if our word count is five words over your maximum, please do not berate a poor PR person for that because they're not trying to be disrespectful. They're not trying to ruin your day. And I would say the same if journalists turn that around and you have to memorize all the rules for working with the PR people that you work with, you would go insane and you already have enough on your plate. We honestly are trying to make your jobs easier and we're also trying to get our jobs done. And by the way, sometimes the people that we work with and are working on behalf, they're not being the easiest. So give us a break.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xMzsx-wMZ3i3qEURLGHpvCK4jhWzLP8p8ck4GK_kGz1bAeFUKTDXgLDeCRmmG1PrJ_A7j_y6XIqdxPr_VVRXQ4tdjkM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.25'>09:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think what you hit on there is that, look, we're all doing our best and sometimes if someone's best doesn't measure up to your best, well give it some grace. Just count to five, scream, write the scathing post and delete it. But sure, are there absolute buffoons in any profession? Absolutely. What are you going to do? But don't always go from zero to you are the worst. I'm going to scream about it somewhere,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LYrE_A40riRhAMUAAmM7ZkmoBdnBvNJJCyhaDTG9ATL5Zoh1YMOEfR679BMoZAW0VtDRwepX6Sm-4TLNrIh1jiQrERk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=577.47'>09:37</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean this one particular rant was about a journalist and a PR pro that were working together and then one couldn't find the other. The communications weren't being answered. I want to tell you that that happens on a daily basis in media relations for every PR pro that I know, at least the solos. I don't know what's going on, but I can tell you every solo PR pro, 100% of us experience this routinely. Sometimes it's just because the journalist is just overwhelmed. It can't answer everybody when you're already establishing working together, because I promise you, every single time, even when there's a yes, even when there's interest, even when you're happy that we brought you information, even when you're in the middle of writing, sometimes you guys go away and we don't hear from you. Even when we've recorded something or done an interview and you tell us to do something and we come back immediately, we don't always hear from you right away and we get it.</p>
<p>Life is overwhelming right now for everyone. God forbid though, that the tables are turned and it's you who can't get in touch with a PR pro. Now I will say, I don't think that that's ever professional. I'm sorry if there's a problem, speak up. But here's the thing that I've noticed, people don't know how to communicate and they don't like to communicate bad news. They don't like to communicate. If you're a PR pro, we have a younger generation that just does not know how to speak up and say, Hey, I'm working really hard to get the response back from my client and they are not answering me. I'm so sorry. I know this is frustrating. They don't understand the value of protecting the relationship with the journalist. You're not throwing your client under the bus, but your tackle in how you're managing it, they just say nothing because they're just not comfortable with it.</p>
<p>I mean, have you ever gone into a store and watched how people don't even want to say hello because it's like this foreign thing now and it's sad to me. Of course, and I do think that if you're in PR that we need to do a better job of training our incoming PR people on soft skills as well as the heart skills. But Michelle, I love that you use the word grace. It's so appropriate. We just need to all give each other some grace and yes, it's frustrating. It makes everyone's job so frustrating, and we've all had those moments where you want to scream into a pillow or go throw axes after work because can I just get my job done?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R1iLipMhTMsHEqc9MuV7sWWJ4md4fSm9Cr3b25rS012OfHs8XGI7RTFURjXadDTyIAFnjkLgXg63hjlLqTPZXUAWb3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=737.89'>12:17</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, it's so true. And what you said about communication is so important. It's like we're reluctant to give an update that maybe isn't ideal, but I always tell people, I would rather you tell me the same information two and three times, then not at all. Just hit me with it. I know how to hit the delete key if I don't want it to hear it again. It's really not that hard to do and it is true. So almost used to this passive means of communication that we just don't want to do it. It's like, oh, do I have to do that? It's like, yeah, just do it. We've all seen the different memes or the comics of that feeling when I did that task that took 10 seconds that I've been dreading for 10 weeks. Just do it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JKrZZyRwlKLtCT8pFrJKIcN079z2fgJz4C1bafSMNdHXIPtltfmYDBHG5zCSc0ziQiEiGZfEJ66juMANu3V3UJvYVRU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.93'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, it's part of being in business and being a professional, and we really do need to get back to training people how to talk to one another and how to handle difficult conversations because I feel like this is becoming a loss art, and it's playing out not only in the workforce, it's playing out in families. How many parents are just not having hard conversations with their kids or teachers are dealing with parents when they tell them something that's not favorable in the nicest way possible. The parents are going off on the teachers. We are going to become a society where we just don't want to talk to anyone and we never address anything, and that's just not a good place to be. And so what we're not defending the actions of a PR person or a journalist who just drops out of communication with you unless they're sick or something else is going on.</p>
<p>And that's the other thing. You never know what people are dealing with in their personal lives. Sometimes people are working through illness, sometimes they are grieving and they just really are not themselves. Maybe they're dealing with pressures at work that just are overwhelming, and so we do have to take a step back. But even with those hard things, if you really are just not yourself, you don't have to disclose all of your personal information, but if it's about communicating and letting people know, at least like, Hey, I got your email. I'm so sorry. I have some things going on and I'm really behind. Here's where we are. Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lzv8jQcxtX3kAS5mNFdoGjCEeFgX1HmBSwj1lZrJSi7J_-Hzqy6wAF6H3SwWe1aSnmmpz47paEvT448_NosYIRsmUfM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=886.12'>14:46</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Just to check in. Hey, I'm sorry if I've been unavailable to you. I really apologize. Apologize. Here's the latest status. That's it. It doesn't have to be a big deal, even if the other person's making it a big deal. You don't have to answer at that level. You don't have to meet them at the same volume or level of annoyance you can just sail on. That's the beauty of email. You don't have to just respond like that in the same tone,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dIIMqS4FU9BUkQVd7khtBMrBnJEd4x94ai7S5NFtdRcofoxqIZW7Z7SEhj0VPxWChwCvIzi2QnkMhEjfhLmBfIkDCAA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.63'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>But please be available by a channel that you have set. Don't just ignore that channel.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bZ_RYnfoM985oVke7JJEyviSdFI5lwRjg5-T9UgUrvbUG6U5EBLQbm7nOnUmnSbrDF4oNFtfkrvo1VLDWfSyDt8mPno?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=921.32'>15:21</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Yeah. That's all we ask. Have some grace. Don't ignore it. It really won't hurt. Let's just keep each other updated. Let's help us do what we do because goodness knows there's enough going on around us to add to our stress, so we don't want to do that. But we hope you've gotten some value out of our time together today. If you do, please share it around. Please hit us up with your best stories at soloprpro.com. We would love to hear that. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Hi. I am doing so great, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:22):
I'm doing well. Not bad. For a Monday. Monday, Monday. Isn't that how it goes in the wrestling ring or I think dirt track races. Anyway. Yeah, not bad for a Monday. We're in the midst of the holiday season, but we thought we talked today about something kind of, well, it's kind of funny, we saw, but it also is all too real in our world. A little bit of a PR/Journo SmackDown
Karen Swim, APR (00:48):
And the smacks went both ways. Yes,
Michelle Kane (00:51):
Would you say about me?
Karen Swim, APR (00:54):
But
Michelle Kane (00:55):
Yeah, it happens. It happens. We all get frustrated with each other and wonder why we do the things we do the way we do them.
Karen Swim, APR (01:07):
That's so true. But my favorite smack downs always come with a caveat from a journalist that said that they used to be in PR and as justifies or that they know all, and maybe it was 20 years ago, and we all know that the world has changed dramatically since that time. So that would be like any of us pulling out an old job and going, yeah, I did that job, but did you do it this year?
Michelle Kane (01:38):
This year especially.
Karen Swim, APR (01:40):
This year especially. I'm just asking for a friend because there are, and I think that goes both ways. There are plenty of PR people that started on the journalism side, and if they did that 15 years ago, the world is vastly different for our journalist friends as well. So it is funny, but that they add that in as though like, well, I know, and that somehow gives me the authority to be completely icky to you and criticize your entire profession based on the actions of one person who may be new to the job untrained or completely stressed out and about to jump over a cliff and probably has the mental health hotline on hold as they're trying to hold it all together long enough to get to the end of the seer,
Michelle Kane (02:30):
Right? Because a lot of the times the issue is, oh, you reach out to us, you don't get back to us. We don't hear from you. And all the while not really realizing, well, we're herding our own cats over here. Our clients are equally busy and stretched out. So sometimes it is difficult to get them when the opportunity arises because they're not fully cognizant of the notion that when the opportunity hits, they have to be ready and not just, of course they can be mentally prepared, but no, you have to be available now. And sometimes that just doesn't get conveyed.
Karen Swim, APR (03:12):
And so in this particular latest SmackDown, it happened in a private forum which was so much nicer than it happening on X or happening on one of the open social media platforms because that's usually where you see it. And I will say that while we joke about this because, and we can laugh about the things that are said as a professional, whether you're a journalist or a PR person, it is so demoralizing to go to your feed and see something that is belittling your entire profession. And I think that there's a few things happening. One is that we do have multi-generations in the workforce, and I think we all have to stop and think about that and that every generation does not work in the same way that another generation works. And I don't mean that. I'm not saying that one gener]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle provide some holiday hacks – from navigating client gifts to reducing stress, let’s make the most of this holiday season.</p>
<p>Share your favorite holiday hack with us at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GCnThC033uBASNew0kUWdWaMPWNuVANq67xevelxIyF7kv3VjGkZ9pA8YPJ6veZmF5Rks2AVNktAs6rojwoRWrVdZOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.87'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kdU2bPhBA8H3KnYM_HZq6CkfwR570vQYxwa-JZfcW0QgG-4Q6rFCxT4xMZAJl313O9JAC3QPJbC1naJoyKQ3pufX5gc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.32'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. I'm doing really good. I am ready for the end of this year. Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6IQV6lALAxppafv7DyqUYwLBr6ks9T2dpffHMRl8ZLU4qWY0RvR2QNzYlI7mUjIxHn-AROjECkwCPksVF75eP_wBayI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.18'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>And how by the time this hits, I'm sure we're going to be in full on scurry mode, getting everything done. And you may be thinking, how is this going to come together in the next week or so? And that is why we're going to bring you some holiday hacks today, or at least some giggles at the least, hopefully. Who knows?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e45-ZnKsCyAZLIniKtwCojVlhcI947U6EL7hJBlagVW3r2VdQctwilTtEI37xto24XiJakDFrqJDQ6DWXQGiCovsh5g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.4'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for sure. For sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DCtpH6VT3rlubcCvB3RTkUrpt3B4tAhHwW7T4AmMX4HEoMNH0J_YaJ8MACb1OmdMucArBaizH6xmG6vJaifO0tmWTnE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.28'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>We know how it is. It's like, oh, client gifts. What do I get them this year? Oh my goodness. Did I get, oh, there's a white elephant I have to do. Oh my goodness. Are we doing cards? I don't know. Are we doing cards? Who's buying stamps? What's happening? When is that store open? Especially post pandemic, those stores that you might be relying on having been open until 10 or 11 or goodness, even 9:00 PM What do you mean you're closing at 8:00 PM So let's just all take a moment, grab the nearest scented candle, take a nice inhale. Let's try and get through these last couple of weeks of the year together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9NPoe9FXDZKk7DCPqO7SzeqdTyhkRJEpHnxXs4UHiNWb06q5P50-FSFj2G3ndsDs-YcbiL4Upilo-gOwPk_9lPyeZHo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.45'>01:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and I think, I don't know about anybody else, but I always, I overthink, so I overthink.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S3gZWNAEfB2H4GCatLQOgxNebaOuP8CRM5img8xYrpRhaulu8MwnA4HmjLzn_8qg7XxiSU6i1F0xya6j9AySPmlSbC0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=101.4'>01:41</a>):</p>
<p>I don't do that at all. Haha. All the time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7un8TY2VOFQ2LSnKM_CwSj3s3D8qOHUM3cpdRLG677kav0vtgy5EKptBjZq9ethEYxImGtnUR3z6aDs5Fw8oJZZCEY0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.85'>01:44</a>):</p>
<p>So one of the holiday hacks is don't overthink it and stop doing the most. There are things that you can do that are still thoughtful without just going over the top. So for example, client gifts. There are sites like <a href='https://sugarwish.com/'>SugarWish</a> and <a href='https://www.snackmagic.com/'>Snack Magic</a> that you can just go online. You can buy the credits and they'll send a nice email link and to your clients and they can choose from treats, from all kinds of stuff, and they can pick out their own gift and have it shipped wherever they want. So if they're traveling over the holidays, they can have it shipped somewhere else. Perfect gift. All you need is an email address. So you don't have to go through all the stress of like, and if you have different client contacts, you can just go in and do the same amount of credit for each of the contacts and let them pick their own thing and call it a day. It's thoughtful, you're thinking of them. It's not. It's the thought that really counts. And I think we forget that. Or places like <a href='https://www.packforapurpose.org/'>Pack for a Purpose</a>. If you want to ship something to a bigger group, they have nice gift funnels in every single has a purpose. It supports some type of a nonprofit. So it's a definite feel good gift. So take the stress out of the holiday gift giving part by making it easier on yourself. Few clicks of the mouse and you're done.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bC2iDKihE2AQ93-xmCQJyrjocYljV6zPU7msqRzQ5Vsev9Uj-YmxaiAHgRVKiSfI4Ur7SQZM-FTuIAWIYfDHOT_ajK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.13'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. So, so true. And if you're like me who has, well, they're not business contacts, but they're personal contacts who are out of the country. I like to try and shop local, but not a lot of businesses will have gift cards. You can just have a gift card emailed to the recipient and boom, there you go. Gift is given. For my locals, I like to try and shop local. There is a beautiful popcorn factory type place literally right up the street from me. So I usually go in with my little client list and I'm like boom, boom, boom. Everybody gets a can. And then of course I always make sure that the business card is on top. I don't want them to think they're getting that Walmart junk. You're getting real popcorn people.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cqx5_lFXnQyvnwCeaDimfg_ezPDqYzwD44Kg5B5dAwsx96ptjEFdEHfKmYYwsqq1vbmuSlMx33VAM9O0deKWI1kMM_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.41'>04:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Well, and I love that you pick a place locally and just shop for all of your clients here again, we PR people sometimes are like, I'm going to customize each gift. And to admit in years past I've done that too. But it's stressful. You're adding the whole stress of this holiday season. Another hack is with your family, pick a day that's not the holidays. If you have lots of family and you traditionally maybe hop around a lot, don't do that. Just give yourself the time. This year, pick a day. I'm doing a sister brunch with my sisters and it's like 10 days before the holiday so that I see them. I'm probably not going to see them for Christmas and I don't feel bad about that. We're doing something separate. It's low key, it's a brunch, there's no gifts involved, there's nothing. But it's fun. It's holidays and we get to just spend time together. So we have to, especially these days because I don't think they feel so much harder.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kRMIt_sAh6gl2V67BiB19lEawd4J622MuntVcX4K5LC8ftE047mJsVfFke5zmZqY0rSgAVruLFk6vwF78lM3zv3K4Zk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=312.64'>05:12</a>):</p>
<p>It really does. It really, really does. And I think another hack might be to let go of some of the things that you used to always do because you always did it. I know I used to be a fierce cookie baker and I still like to bake cookies, but I'm not going to make myself do it just to say, well, I usually do this, will I bake? A little bit? Probably. But it's like I don't want to, I'm over killing myself to say I holidayed in a certain way. And I think what you said is so important to give yourself that gift of time. And I'm not saying it's easy because sometimes when then I have that what I think is extra time, which is actually just plain old time, you get a little nervous. You think, oh, should I be doing something? What do I do with this? Sit your butt down and watch a Christmas movie. That's what you should do with this.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L1k5Qh7JTS6gn6cx8s9jjJ_S5to_yg5jVrYhxkuNsTYxnTdBX3zNbu_HMFy-pQENx99iDdCPcLidFzW07vOICfUOtPE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=370.96'>06:10</a>):</p>
<p>It's a beautiful idea. And I mean even when it comes to client work, not saying coast, but we're saying focus on what's really important this year does. And this year especially, it feels like people have already checked out and we're at the very beginning of December. It's very, very quiet. So this is a good time for planning, a good time for strategy, a good time for going ahead and wrapping up those. If you do monthly type reports, start gathering all the information. I try to have my reports done weekly, even for a monthly so that when the last day comes in, I've already got the information all in place and I really just have to polish it and send it off. It does take a lot of the stress out. If you are responsible for content for clients, instead of writing new content, repurpose stuff, do roundups for their blogs, look at their LinkedIn newsletters and grab some stuff and do kind of a best of mix for the end of year because people are not paying that much attention anyway.</p>
<p>And sometimes we fall victim to our incredible work ethic and we just want to keep going, going, going, going. But it's a good time to just take it down a notch and not put the pressure on yourself to be Mr. Or Mrs. Perfect PR at the end of the year. It's okay. It really is. Okay. You can ease up on content, you can ease up on some of the activities with our clients. We set expectations around media relations. And it's not that we don't still have things to do, it's just that nobody's around and they're not answering stuff, they're over it. Right,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yKiamvNY54C6iwHTYrGmTW0lc6Q3CkQ8HvUuJs-qjoV_yR90kUX_Uljlop9HiRIWkJL-qR_lIjH07opmp-8g7rVz7d4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.99'>07:53</a>):</p>
<p>Right. No, it's true. And I feel like that's, especially it's subtly I can't talk today, it's becoming a bit of the norm, I think. Yes. Are there some projects that are fast paced, full on, get it done? But I think for some of the more regular work that we might've been a little extra about in modern times, especially the last decade or so, I feel a little easing there, of, okay, yeah, we'll get it done. Alright, it's not on fire. It'll still happen. And I think too at the same time, because I know just attention spans of the people receiving our information, they can only take so much. So I think it all tends to balance out. So yeah, please do give yourself that time. This is the first year that I actually took purposely said, I am not going to officially work the Friday after Thanksgiving.</p>
<p>Now, did I end up doing a little work? Yes, I did. It was okay. It kept things moving, but it wasn't like, oh, here I go, I have to go sit at my desk. And I didn't want to. It was just, all right, let me handle that and then that'll take care of, so start now is a good time. Well actually when this airs, it's not a great time. Hopefully you've already planned it in when this is hitting your, hitting your ears. But if you're still struggling with whether or not you're going to take an extra day or so, please try to do it because if you don't do it now, when are you going to do it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Do6HFb-GSwEf-QL6XS5K2Wqkbdfb7VGpYaU3gJD3WrvK8o2t2lsYAxAtQ8Zk-mbneGn_sc5YunWCqTFg0xx3K0Z3Cb0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.02'>09:25</a>):</p>
<p>And it's quiet, lean into the quiet. And on the client side, I know many of us do shut down the last two weeks or the last week of the year, and it only makes sense. And if you are feeling like there's some more client hours that you want to get in there, you can do things like go ahead and hold thought leadership calls, hold some quick thought leadership calls with your CEOs, your executives, and get content now and have it transcribed so that you have things ready to go in January when things restart. So you put the hours in this month, but it's not a heavy lift to just have those thought leadership questions done, do your agenda and have quick calls to get their thinking on things for next year. And now you're a step ahead for content and for trends and for ideas that you can be working on. But don't make things overly hard for yourself. Just try to find ways to do what you need to do. Do it well. But don't forget to enjoy this time of the year because it's one of those rare times in the year and we have Hanukkah, we have Christmas, we have New Year's celebrations. People really are taking off. And it would be a team to put pressure on yourself during a time when you legitimately can just take a breath because everyone is taking a breath.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bpgCkaJ0KSBnBOFU_KI7epb7XefZRzDBh_g2KdhJv1uIgSq-dAsWOVrso4cwIY9nit54zf4j2AqfiefZuiuNSaG1bro?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=651.15'>10:51</a>):</p>
<p>And like you said earlier, we are overthinkers, we are people who, it's in our nature. We want to dazzle. And I don't mean in a vapid way, we we're always striving to do the best work possible. And it's okay if you just again, just kind of relax a little bit and really, I don't think we can say this enough in this and maybe we're talking to ourselves, take that time to enjoy. And I can even feel it in my body right now as I'm saying it. It's going to feel uncomfortable. It's kind of like when I go to those every once in a while, my yoga studio will have a two hour, a special class where you really are deep relaxation and I am horrible at it. Okay, we're going to stay here in this pose for four minutes. And I'm like, okay, great. Halfway through. I'm like, are we done? Are we done now? Is this okay? Are we good? So don't be me,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j8GywmxhEQ5qxYcLzfVvVWTgTARmKhQAJcSA9u8RkIuCMmo8NTw0XhrAtzxSEgv9yrr92IhDkr0Wri2S39iu2a5P0l4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=721.09'>12:01</a>):</p>
<p>Don't be Michelle. No, enjoy the holidays. And on that note, we want to wish you all happy holidays. Whatever you celebrate during this time of year, we hope that it really is a joyous time. And for those of you who may be struggling during this time of year, we have you in our hearts and our thoughts and hope that you are surrounded by supportive people. And we just ask wherever you are, whatever you're celebrating, whatever you are going through, good or bad, just know that you're not alone. And we are sending our audience lots of love.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xeG2-XZB2oPcgetxrZq8xZRB5g2Zbekhv7zRdQK6t47Xwta6Q2ktID4qgImtc76K_EPsiGn3uMDRTSEEKn1p0KZWaRQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.07'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, indeed, we are. And to our friends who have celebrated Hanukkah by the time this comes around, we hope it was a really joyous occasion. We know this year hits a little different for many reasons, and we hold you in our hearts as well. But we hope just as we all move forward toward a brand new year, which I'm so excited for, we just want you to all be well and we care about you. And thanks for listening to us. We hope you get something out of hearing us jabber every week about the business that we so love. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle provide some holiday hacks – from navigating client gifts to reducing stress, let’s make the most of this holiday season.</p>
<p>Share your favorite holiday hack with us at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GCnThC033uBASNew0kUWdWaMPWNuVANq67xevelxIyF7kv3VjGkZ9pA8YPJ6veZmF5Rks2AVNktAs6rojwoRWrVdZOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.87'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kdU2bPhBA8H3KnYM_HZq6CkfwR570vQYxwa-JZfcW0QgG-4Q6rFCxT4xMZAJl313O9JAC3QPJbC1naJoyKQ3pufX5gc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.32'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. I'm doing really good. I am ready for the end of this year. Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6IQV6lALAxppafv7DyqUYwLBr6ks9T2dpffHMRl8ZLU4qWY0RvR2QNzYlI7mUjIxHn-AROjECkwCPksVF75eP_wBayI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.18'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>And how by the time this hits, I'm sure we're going to be in full on scurry mode, getting everything done. And you may be thinking, how is this going to come together in the next week or so? And that is why we're going to bring you some holiday hacks today, or at least some giggles at the least, hopefully. Who knows?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e45-ZnKsCyAZLIniKtwCojVlhcI947U6EL7hJBlagVW3r2VdQctwilTtEI37xto24XiJakDFrqJDQ6DWXQGiCovsh5g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.4'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, for sure. For sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DCtpH6VT3rlubcCvB3RTkUrpt3B4tAhHwW7T4AmMX4HEoMNH0J_YaJ8MACb1OmdMucArBaizH6xmG6vJaifO0tmWTnE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.28'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>We know how it is. It's like, oh, client gifts. What do I get them this year? Oh my goodness. Did I get, oh, there's a white elephant I have to do. Oh my goodness. Are we doing cards? I don't know. Are we doing cards? Who's buying stamps? What's happening? When is that store open? Especially post pandemic, those stores that you might be relying on having been open until 10 or 11 or goodness, even 9:00 PM What do you mean you're closing at 8:00 PM So let's just all take a moment, grab the nearest scented candle, take a nice inhale. Let's try and get through these last couple of weeks of the year together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9NPoe9FXDZKk7DCPqO7SzeqdTyhkRJEpHnxXs4UHiNWb06q5P50-FSFj2G3ndsDs-YcbiL4Upilo-gOwPk_9lPyeZHo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.45'>01:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and I think, I don't know about anybody else, but I always, I overthink, so I overthink.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S3gZWNAEfB2H4GCatLQOgxNebaOuP8CRM5img8xYrpRhaulu8MwnA4HmjLzn_8qg7XxiSU6i1F0xya6j9AySPmlSbC0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=101.4'>01:41</a>):</p>
<p>I don't do that at all. Haha. All the time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7un8TY2VOFQ2LSnKM_CwSj3s3D8qOHUM3cpdRLG677kav0vtgy5EKptBjZq9ethEYxImGtnUR3z6aDs5Fw8oJZZCEY0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=104.85'>01:44</a>):</p>
<p>So one of the holiday hacks is don't overthink it and stop doing the most. There are things that you can do that are still thoughtful without just going over the top. So for example, client gifts. There are sites like <a href='https://sugarwish.com/'>SugarWish</a> and <a href='https://www.snackmagic.com/'>Snack Magic</a> that you can just go online. You can buy the credits and they'll send a nice email link and to your clients and they can choose from treats, from all kinds of stuff, and they can pick out their own gift and have it shipped wherever they want. So if they're traveling over the holidays, they can have it shipped somewhere else. Perfect gift. All you need is an email address. So you don't have to go through all the stress of like, and if you have different client contacts, you can just go in and do the same amount of credit for each of the contacts and let them pick their own thing and call it a day. It's thoughtful, you're thinking of them. It's not. It's the thought that really counts. And I think we forget that. Or places like <a href='https://www.packforapurpose.org/'>Pack for a Purpose</a>. If you want to ship something to a bigger group, they have nice gift funnels in every single has a purpose. It supports some type of a nonprofit. So it's a definite feel good gift. So take the stress out of the holiday gift giving part by making it easier on yourself. Few clicks of the mouse and you're done.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bC2iDKihE2AQ93-xmCQJyrjocYljV6zPU7msqRzQ5Vsev9Uj-YmxaiAHgRVKiSfI4Ur7SQZM-FTuIAWIYfDHOT_ajK8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=195.13'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. So, so true. And if you're like me who has, well, they're not business contacts, but they're personal contacts who are out of the country. I like to try and shop local, but not a lot of businesses will have gift cards. You can just have a gift card emailed to the recipient and boom, there you go. Gift is given. For my locals, I like to try and shop local. There is a beautiful popcorn factory type place literally right up the street from me. So I usually go in with my little client list and I'm like boom, boom, boom. Everybody gets a can. And then of course I always make sure that the business card is on top. I don't want them to think they're getting that Walmart junk. You're getting real popcorn people.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cqx5_lFXnQyvnwCeaDimfg_ezPDqYzwD44Kg5B5dAwsx96ptjEFdEHfKmYYwsqq1vbmuSlMx33VAM9O0deKWI1kMM_g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=248.41'>04:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Well, and I love that you pick a place locally and just shop for all of your clients here again, we PR people sometimes are like, I'm going to customize each gift. And to admit in years past I've done that too. But it's stressful. You're adding the whole stress of this holiday season. Another hack is with your family, pick a day that's not the holidays. If you have lots of family and you traditionally maybe hop around a lot, don't do that. Just give yourself the time. This year, pick a day. I'm doing a sister brunch with my sisters and it's like 10 days before the holiday so that I see them. I'm probably not going to see them for Christmas and I don't feel bad about that. We're doing something separate. It's low key, it's a brunch, there's no gifts involved, there's nothing. But it's fun. It's holidays and we get to just spend time together. So we have to, especially these days because I don't think they feel so much harder.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kRMIt_sAh6gl2V67BiB19lEawd4J622MuntVcX4K5LC8ftE047mJsVfFke5zmZqY0rSgAVruLFk6vwF78lM3zv3K4Zk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=312.64'>05:12</a>):</p>
<p>It really does. It really, really does. And I think another hack might be to let go of some of the things that you used to always do because you always did it. I know I used to be a fierce cookie baker and I still like to bake cookies, but I'm not going to make myself do it just to say, well, I usually do this, will I bake? A little bit? Probably. But it's like I don't want to, I'm over killing myself to say I holidayed in a certain way. And I think what you said is so important to give yourself that gift of time. And I'm not saying it's easy because sometimes when then I have that what I think is extra time, which is actually just plain old time, you get a little nervous. You think, oh, should I be doing something? What do I do with this? Sit your butt down and watch a Christmas movie. That's what you should do with this.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L1k5Qh7JTS6gn6cx8s9jjJ_S5to_yg5jVrYhxkuNsTYxnTdBX3zNbu_HMFy-pQENx99iDdCPcLidFzW07vOICfUOtPE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=370.96'>06:10</a>):</p>
<p>It's a beautiful idea. And I mean even when it comes to client work, not saying coast, but we're saying focus on what's really important this year does. And this year especially, it feels like people have already checked out and we're at the very beginning of December. It's very, very quiet. So this is a good time for planning, a good time for strategy, a good time for going ahead and wrapping up those. If you do monthly type reports, start gathering all the information. I try to have my reports done weekly, even for a monthly so that when the last day comes in, I've already got the information all in place and I really just have to polish it and send it off. It does take a lot of the stress out. If you are responsible for content for clients, instead of writing new content, repurpose stuff, do roundups for their blogs, look at their LinkedIn newsletters and grab some stuff and do kind of a best of mix for the end of year because people are not paying that much attention anyway.</p>
<p>And sometimes we fall victim to our incredible work ethic and we just want to keep going, going, going, going. But it's a good time to just take it down a notch and not put the pressure on yourself to be Mr. Or Mrs. Perfect PR at the end of the year. It's okay. It really is. Okay. You can ease up on content, you can ease up on some of the activities with our clients. We set expectations around media relations. And it's not that we don't still have things to do, it's just that nobody's around and they're not answering stuff, they're over it. Right,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yKiamvNY54C6iwHTYrGmTW0lc6Q3CkQ8HvUuJs-qjoV_yR90kUX_Uljlop9HiRIWkJL-qR_lIjH07opmp-8g7rVz7d4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.99'>07:53</a>):</p>
<p>Right. No, it's true. And I feel like that's, especially it's subtly I can't talk today, it's becoming a bit of the norm, I think. Yes. Are there some projects that are fast paced, full on, get it done? But I think for some of the more regular work that we might've been a little extra about in modern times, especially the last decade or so, I feel a little easing there, of, okay, yeah, we'll get it done. Alright, it's not on fire. It'll still happen. And I think too at the same time, because I know just attention spans of the people receiving our information, they can only take so much. So I think it all tends to balance out. So yeah, please do give yourself that time. This is the first year that I actually took purposely said, I am not going to officially work the Friday after Thanksgiving.</p>
<p>Now, did I end up doing a little work? Yes, I did. It was okay. It kept things moving, but it wasn't like, oh, here I go, I have to go sit at my desk. And I didn't want to. It was just, all right, let me handle that and then that'll take care of, so start now is a good time. Well actually when this airs, it's not a great time. Hopefully you've already planned it in when this is hitting your, hitting your ears. But if you're still struggling with whether or not you're going to take an extra day or so, please try to do it because if you don't do it now, when are you going to do it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Do6HFb-GSwEf-QL6XS5K2Wqkbdfb7VGpYaU3gJD3WrvK8o2t2lsYAxAtQ8Zk-mbneGn_sc5YunWCqTFg0xx3K0Z3Cb0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=565.02'>09:25</a>):</p>
<p>And it's quiet, lean into the quiet. And on the client side, I know many of us do shut down the last two weeks or the last week of the year, and it only makes sense. And if you are feeling like there's some more client hours that you want to get in there, you can do things like go ahead and hold thought leadership calls, hold some quick thought leadership calls with your CEOs, your executives, and get content now and have it transcribed so that you have things ready to go in January when things restart. So you put the hours in this month, but it's not a heavy lift to just have those thought leadership questions done, do your agenda and have quick calls to get their thinking on things for next year. And now you're a step ahead for content and for trends and for ideas that you can be working on. But don't make things overly hard for yourself. Just try to find ways to do what you need to do. Do it well. But don't forget to enjoy this time of the year because it's one of those rare times in the year and we have Hanukkah, we have Christmas, we have New Year's celebrations. People really are taking off. And it would be a team to put pressure on yourself during a time when you legitimately can just take a breath because everyone is taking a breath.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bpgCkaJ0KSBnBOFU_KI7epb7XefZRzDBh_g2KdhJv1uIgSq-dAsWOVrso4cwIY9nit54zf4j2AqfiefZuiuNSaG1bro?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=651.15'>10:51</a>):</p>
<p>And like you said earlier, we are overthinkers, we are people who, it's in our nature. We want to dazzle. And I don't mean in a vapid way, we we're always striving to do the best work possible. And it's okay if you just again, just kind of relax a little bit and really, I don't think we can say this enough in this and maybe we're talking to ourselves, take that time to enjoy. And I can even feel it in my body right now as I'm saying it. It's going to feel uncomfortable. It's kind of like when I go to those every once in a while, my yoga studio will have a two hour, a special class where you really are deep relaxation and I am horrible at it. Okay, we're going to stay here in this pose for four minutes. And I'm like, okay, great. Halfway through. I'm like, are we done? Are we done now? Is this okay? Are we good? So don't be me,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j8GywmxhEQ5qxYcLzfVvVWTgTARmKhQAJcSA9u8RkIuCMmo8NTw0XhrAtzxSEgv9yrr92IhDkr0Wri2S39iu2a5P0l4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=721.09'>12:01</a>):</p>
<p>Don't be Michelle. No, enjoy the holidays. And on that note, we want to wish you all happy holidays. Whatever you celebrate during this time of year, we hope that it really is a joyous time. And for those of you who may be struggling during this time of year, we have you in our hearts and our thoughts and hope that you are surrounded by supportive people. And we just ask wherever you are, whatever you're celebrating, whatever you are going through, good or bad, just know that you're not alone. And we are sending our audience lots of love.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xeG2-XZB2oPcgetxrZq8xZRB5g2Zbekhv7zRdQK6t47Xwta6Q2ktID4qgImtc76K_EPsiGn3uMDRTSEEKn1p0KZWaRQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.07'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, indeed, we are. And to our friends who have celebrated Hanukkah by the time this comes around, we hope it was a really joyous occasion. We know this year hits a little different for many reasons, and we hold you in our hearts as well. But we hope just as we all move forward toward a brand new year, which I'm so excited for, we just want you to all be well and we care about you. And thanks for listening to us. We hope you get something out of hearing us jabber every week about the business that we so love. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Hi, Michelle. I'm doing really good. I am ready for the end of this year. Yes.
Michelle Kane (00:27):
And how by the time this hits, I'm sure we're going to be in full on scurry mode, getting everything done. And you may be thinking, how is this going to come together in the next week or so? And that is why we're going to bring you some holiday hacks today, or at least some giggles at the least, hopefully. Who knows?
Karen Swim, APR (00:51):
Yeah, for sure. For sure.
Michelle Kane (00:53):
We know how it is. It's like, oh, client gifts. What do I get them this year? Oh my goodness. Did I get, oh, there's a white elephant I have to do. Oh my goodness. Are we doing cards? I don't know. Are we doing cards? Who's buying stamps? What's happening? When is that store open? Especially post pandemic, those stores that you might be relying on having been open until 10 or 11 or goodness, even 9:00 PM What do you mean you're closing at 8:00 PM So let's just all take a moment, grab the nearest scented candle, take a nice inhale. Let's try and get through these last couple of weeks of the year together.
Karen Swim, APR (01:30):
Yeah, and I think, I don't know about anybody else, but I always, I overthink, so I overthink.
Michelle Kane (01:41):
I don't do that at all. Haha. All the time.
Karen Swim, APR (01:44):
So one of the holiday hacks is don't overthink it and stop doing the most. There are things that you can do that are still thoughtful without just going over the top. So for example, client gifts. There are sites like SugarWish and Snack Magic that you can just go online. You can buy the credits and they'll send a nice email link and to your clients and they can choose from treats, from all kinds of stuff, and they can pick out their own gift and have it shipped wherever they want. So if they're traveling over the holidays, they can have it shipped somewhere else. Perfect gift. All you need is an email address. So you don't have to go through all the stress of like, and if you have different client contacts, you can just go in and do the same amount of credit for each of the contacts and let them pick their own thing and call it a day. It's thoughtful, you're thinking of them. It's not. It's the thought that really counts. And I think we forget that. Or places like Pack for a Purpose. If you want to ship something to a bigger group, they have nice gift funnels in every single has a purpose. It supports some type of a nonprofit. So it's a definite feel good gift. So take the stress out of the holiday gift giving part by making it easier on yourself. Few clicks of the mouse and you're done.
Michelle Kane (03:15):
Exactly. So, so true. And if you're like me who has, well, they're not business contacts, but they're personal contacts who are out of the country. I like to try and shop local, but not a lot of businesses will have gift cards. You can just have a gift card emailed to the recipient and boom, there you go. Gift is given. For my locals, I like to try and shop local. There is a beautiful popcorn factory type place literally right up the street from me. So I usually go in with my little client list and I'm like boom, boom, boom. Everybody gets a can. And then of course I always make sure that the business card is on top. I don't want them to think they're getting that Walmart junk. You're getting real popcorn people.
Karen Swim, APR (04:08):
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>You make sure your clients are developing and working on their personal and corporate brands but when it comes to you and your solo practice, well, do as we say, not as we do. Does this sound like you? In today’s episode we dig in on personal branding and its value.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nS9x2VQrpFS9rscZ3z8Rdx4GZFbGpIwWDjQrHTp5ecBdpgJP86FOHEWaD9pHg1k7vsVEb9Yijr5FZeO29OJhqr1pZFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.88'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. We're all the savvy smarties gather. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2pFPjka--_INz0t0wm8mB6SmZUvLrqC_9OV6tNl7N__JIPUelFx8zabO_WSXZ4WbEwdKZLvz20Hwe2fs11pcWom9qu4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.97'>00:23</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K4YFt_nI_DokPJYXPAwTc-7mvkzPoxNoQxbYzyFE9F1koNRQr_Krg2yCDZqTScy6s2pbML-uXW9VzdyJV9GXpLt41go?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.69'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I’m doing well. Can't complain. Can't complain. Here we are. By the time this episode airs, we will be in December. Oh my gosh.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GBZetg5PHMJWeuO669kRrhUutQ8PlmPvmOIyl3CWHXQlH3JL_8W_pZgTVbeZhtAPEk69m9CdkKnv6cyriQ5e9l6UInI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.98'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's a little scary. It's that time of year. It is that time of year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/maPAJETHUyWlkRhO4AdCWFkZ-gUp2yMzhNp_py_Yk_Zd9YP2Fxsv_MiGRSax1WJpAjCc99RC7_7lK92Lrj4PqdoGKuo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.6'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. All the dates kind of cascaded upon each other and oh my goodness. We all have just an extra layer of things on our minds as we're trying to wrap up work and make sure we don't miss any holidays. And there's always family members and people with birthdays in December too. I don't know how they allow that, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9BljC4cdvd4AAGSb0tN7E4ydfoGMfAI9JOb0awDQ2070kMEY6Y7LXRsSTnTSDPn1vjOweto6KJz-QuSeQXeKB-lwpRo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=60.84'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>I know</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DlcOeQVb-wL4eUCQlvX3VY7IAd-DqoRDcGD2aPiOoA3KZ-6OTc5zcfsAOdmwUx1xmRSfnHy_jaEQ8FxC7cY6huT_6o0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.44'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>It's okay</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ko1u5MMw4Fys2Hq7UIaXuZcp5fCYEU8JewK9aI5eQyTpjaMhG70Ne7oMoFvuFyP2PFVkes_umVL6UUqauYVC9F4-pIU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.79'>01:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not to mention the layers of extra clothing and extra tasks for those of us who live where it rudely snows. So yeah, there's all the things and it's all happening so fast, and I just want to make like a bear and hibernate.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V-Nxk22u9DQPaaWSC3bXyINJqIfSnOFDUKPNFHnBqI1mar_lf929J6PNUphtmztgBl_KjtFrnxEt7HxHEVgFnALjxAc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.15'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>So while December is being all extra, we're going to talk a little bit about the extra of personal branding today. How's that for a segue way? It's important. I was just skimming an article from Forbes saying that yes, you needed to stand out, and I think it's the Gen Xer in me, or I don't know, the introvert, whatever. It's like, oh, do I have to? And the answer is, yeah, you kind of have to.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e8HJ8EDXXRhNLAphwLbgiMb6Dg8go0VRRH6qdWDzN3K0nkXJn3ka3982vwdqlC-MEcE_JujaU5zxHJZLVmj-8YKTmbY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.32'>01:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we've all, for many of us, we obviously we're in public relations, and so we believe in personal branding as well as corporate branding. We have probably helped many executive in our careers to ensure that their executive brand was as polished and as thorough as the corporate brand. And we build thought leadership programs to support and amplify that. But when it comes to us and looking at our colleagues and our peers, I know for me it's easy sometimes to become jaded when you've been doing this job for a long time. It's like the way that we feel about email marketing. We know that it works, we know the right way to do it, but we don't want to do it ourselves because we struggle with inboxes that are constantly overflowing because we have to, as per our job, we have to have a lot of information coming at us.</p>
<p>So sometimes when I look at personal brands, I do, I'm like, “Ugh, everybody's perfect. Everybody's smart, everybody's winning, and you feel a little exhausted.” So I guess what we want to look at today is looking past our own fatigue at what's really working in personal branding, and is it really effective anymore? It seems like everybody has a brand. I mean, 10 year olds have a brand, they're adhering to their own brand guidelines and everybody's got perfectly polished Instagram worthy photos, and everybody seems to have a platform and they've all got their stuff. And in a world where personal branding is super accessible in terms of the visual look and feel, and even with content these days, which used to be the differentiator, everyone has access to be able to create content that aligns with their personal brand, is it all worth it? How do we stand out? Do we want to stand out? Do we care?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C5f8HxbWiv_xbqluX_S30PDjEJP0pX7I9NbAODsts3RQ1iHA8Tjd9b7H7zssUhedX6z0mdUglVvzQ45Ts16dgBgznIM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.37'>04:03</a>):</p>
<p>No, I know what you mean. And I think it's especially difficult for us because we work in branding people and places and things that we can see it a mile away. We can see it when it's so shiny. And not that there's anything wrong with that necessarily, but I almost feel like we are all craving, audiences are craving a lot more authenticity. And I know that buzzword’s been around for a while, but I mean real, keep it real, because we've all seen the templates and we all know sure have the photo shoot, that's great, but I feel like we're at poised on this next layer of personal branding of, no, I really want to know what you're about. I want to know what truly makes you different. Not just, oh, well, oh, she's lit really well. Oh, okay. Everything's saying all the right things. And I think the additional differentiator is going to be letting more of yourself show, if that makes sense. I want to know what makes you tick what you're about. If it's a situation where I'm looking to work with someone, show me the warts, I don't necessarily need to see the sheen.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XX4gDbyNQMy_r1h9qN5tAW0zyBPe7vu0zw6mJiV0hhjTdTc-3ABtY0QPQLxTezd9Z-KFSku3npLMjLJawHPmN48Q1oA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.22'>05:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think we've always talked about this in public relations and in marketing. We've talked about transparency, and we understand that you're never fully transparent because that's not a smart move to make. But we've talked about authenticity a lot over the years, and I think I agree with you that being the personal branding today, in a lot of ways, it's missing personality. So it's shiny and it's bright and it's happy and it's beautiful and it's visually appealing, and the aesthetics are amazing, but sometimes a little grit, a little of you really does help to stand out because at the end of the day, we know that today more than ever, people want to connect with people. They connect with corporations often even because of the people side of it, because of how that company shows up in the world and what they stand for. And that doesn't always have to mean social values or political viewpoints.</p>
<p>It can sometimes mean a brand that's true to being funny and they bring humor, they're light or a brand that cares about issues. It can be issues driven, but that they're true to who they are, and that you see something that says, yeah, that's that brand. And we talk about Patagonia a lot. That's a great example. Even Apple's a great example of a tech company that's really true to who they are. They are who they are. They make no apologies for it. With the personal branding, sometimes it does feel like everybody's interchangeable. It's like, okay, you're great. You're smart, you're winning another award. Good for you. Yay. You. What a beautiful picture. And you, sometimes I want to know, I want to see the grit. I want to see behind that shine. I want to know, how did you really get there? I want to hear some of the reality, because we know that your story, what you're sharing, your expertise didn't come without some bumps along the road. And you don't have to bear awe, but it's nice when people are honest about what it really takes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4BVXETs0SRXZumuC41F8w6IjH9jjWfXmx40T2jtqq4EG9Rzy8rJuinUdmqrs-sh7UfSgg1Qqv4bcxSF5KKbvqmHr9aI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.28'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I can think of people that I follow on Instagram both professionally and just for fun, and yeah, they have their polished brand, but they'll also just pop on. They'll just shoot a quick video, whether it's sitting at their desk or in their car and just talk about something quickly and just be relatable. It's not like, oh, I have my ring. Like, oh, wait, oh, oh, oh. And they're like, okay, now they just say, Hey, you know what? This crossed my path today and I'm dealing with feeling like an imposter, and sometimes I feel like that, blah, blah, blah. And it's just these little moments of relatability. And I think, yes, thank you. Exactly. And that doesn't take away from the professional expertise that they offer, not one bit. So I think, and I'm not saying that that's a new thing, it's not, but I think that's a way to go a little deeper with your personal branding.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RMwB1OIVqAZiizwFjEWaHPTkzYQ6oEIxbo4p7UWCTdBMTBKLBq5YWF3V8oUab5vuN6GRFnTKkkK0AW6k0oY9rQurBjk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.53'>09:07</a>):</p>
<p>And I think you hit on something that's really key. It's not really all the shiny aesthetics. That's great because I look at those and I'm learning because I do videos and I am a hot mess. I don't have it all together. I don't have all the tools and all the shiny stuff. So I'm an example of somebody that's like, if you want to see a hot mess, but I am who I am, and probably still to a degree going to be kind of a hot mess. It's not that. I think what you said as communicators, we really know this and we drive this into the companies that we work with. Far too often people hide behind their playbook, and executives do this all the time. It's corporate jargon and sometimes it feels like pulling teeth to just get them to communicate. Talk to me like I'm a human being.</p>
<p>So I think what you said is really key. It's focusing more on connecting with your audience in a real way, by using words that are relatable and understandable and not defaulting to your industry playbook, whatever industry you might be in. And being so concerned with sounding smart to your audience that you lose them because you're not relatable. That to me is one way to stand out and understanding the reality. And it's interesting. I feel like companies have really had to grasp this with the tension between work, from home, return to office. They finally figured out, look, we got multi-generations and the workforce. We have a diverse group of people that we're working with, with diverse opinions, with diverse preferences. We ain't going to satisfy everybody, so we got to just do what we got to do. And some people are going to be unhappy, and we just have to live with that. And I feel like more of us need to adopt that attitude, realizing we are never going to be able to satisfy all of the people all of the time, and that should never be our goal. So be yourself. It's funny because I even feel like sometimes that when we think we're sharing a bit of ourselves with people, that too just becomes so sanitized. It's like, oh, I am the yoga wearing meditating PR professional, and it's so pretty and perfect. So now you're just incorporated fitness influencer into your brand, and it's annoying. I don't look that good in my yoga pants. I'm sorry. No,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0t5e0nUHz5FP1GE4CPjygKRdJJwQVmOdCJhso4zYp-SoiHVo8t-QLO3vDbHqFjdtLf_94ruFSJs5J0IrRq4K-aCmDWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.89'>11:49</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZX_BTOSxLgl5za5wtJ-Uafex-Zh416n83lthUH7b_mKJkFbGFAg5Zho0BHSbLZ1gCuEZh6vEku_d3s4Jq3B8Ll6gMOQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=711.03'>11:51</a>):</p>
<p>Five minutes to meditate. So it just, it's not, but that's okay. That person probably is not for me, and I'm being a little facetious. I'm not attacking people. Please don't take that away. I really am being a little facetious. But the point is, we should be relatable. Just communicate down a notch. You're still winning. You're still beautiful, wonderful, smart and shiny, but just make sure that you talk to people in a way that's real. Be your true self as a communicator.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nsi-NBRDCikC6UDGRDoPy6Pb8A2Jai21_wypzTBH8Nz0NUnRrrGOi515F9KccnV6xAh9ji6Plr6mmIIbpZhJ907ZWoM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.92'>12:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Well, and it's important what you said, because not everybody is going to be for everybody, and that's okay. And to your point about those that stick to their playbook and the jargon, and flip that around, because if that's all you're doing and it's like you have a really difficult time being relatable, that's almost going to make me question your credibility. Because if it feels like you're just being stilted all the time and reciting the right things, I'm thinking, gosh, is if I don't have any other evidence of it, or is this all just a bit of a show? So that's something to think about. Don't be afraid to be yourself. I'm not saying be Rodney Dangerfield and Caddy Shack, although there's people for that persona too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Xtaj6xlPccKLv5k1pOyBTU67rWcjnaQmZOpcsEo6EO56UjcdOTgmEoepGIf20Pgwd7DpERHvlTOl8fQjbw4RpQAQ5D8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=803.67'>13:23</a>):</p>
<p>But I mean, it's funny that you could lose people even when you're being creative. I read this funny Buzzfeed article, it actually, it was kind of funny, but a Buzzfeed article that was asking people, what movie did you see? And you thought, what the heck did I just watch? So we all can name a movie that we watch. Movies are entertainment, therefore, your enjoyment, your pleasure. And sometimes the writers, the people behind the movie are so busy being clever and different that they lose you. And you do, you sit through the movie and you go, what was that?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ql9zxy7JzR4vTkvshbEWEeG0ft2J8p0i_iflfaZB24scY15T881ziwxXzBqAcFvMTnzWOhOab5jlg3Xj0-3mZyHFOTE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=848.38'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>What just happened?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CvMY3anyzoLyh1AeBesMT8AR2EAESV8qGjjB-F5t5h7uSbf7uJCvfVh6xxdMi-rFS9ef-Uh_4cCJRjEtQhor33KXOus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.07'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>I can't get that two hours of my life back. And so don't be that. Don't be the movie The Circle, which was horrid. I promise you. I sort of got what they were trying to say and do. But that was one of the recent movies in history where I was like, what did I just watch? Because that was pretty bad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W_LVObS4X-6SHvxbbnEZB-ZG1dJYehVE5Ixg1MZVewRMH9mK9xMys8p7ztsEdEAr1QxXJsBjyiJktU2aqOStvFf8_EU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=875.53'>14:35</a>):</p>
<p>Oh man. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Nothing's coming to mind super quickly. Of what?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MOGoRspbsqOsBjgj-RNqus5OtK5Xq8H18fgLlv8hc5o7wSomRD8xa1jcRm8NKNiIcu5DwUhmbm-ZNtlDZ1iP7_1vdRA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=882.4'>14:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GLLkQpukU3KSOrHRyEBdmDabWo6r94WFvrOPJYSUu77QF1NTt0XFmluePiTbwejfFDqsoJ7va7admX9GosVluE8QYqI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=884.56'>14:44</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and it's harder when you can see it, right? You can see them trying so hard and it's almost painful, and you think, no, no. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YjvKW_Wgv9wW7ObUc1hnPcwi6EC_mR-ChjOpuYr1OKYMjvL9Ikhh67ZoMdRyubFZ0yRX5fLpeyYir-znyVlqOtlkRr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=894.44'>14:54</a>):</p>
<p>So even if you're funny comedian, you're entertaining. That's part of your personal brand. Make sure that you're not too clever for your audience or it won't land, right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3ydoRtfYa5O1PMIFAnCKpgHI0aj-e2jP5gU2lyPYlpdSZ873kb89KIXqsqHmsVen8CG4h4se0teLLNeqvZ9wCBoPNL8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=906.47'>15:06</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So what we're really saying is what, keep it as natural as you can be yourself. Don't be afraid to show parts of your personality and your branding. Honestly, at the end of it all, it's really a way to let people get to know you. And there's that know, like, and trust factor of people wanting those three items fulfilled to do business with you. So we hope this chat today has been helpful as we enter what some call the silly season. We hope you're keeping your wits about you, and if you did get value from this, please do share it around. We would really appreciate that. That would be the best gift you could give us this year. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You make sure your clients are developing and working on their personal and corporate brands but when it comes to you and your solo practice, well, do as we say, not as we do. Does this sound like you? In today’s episode we dig in on personal branding and its value.</p>
<p>Let us know what you think at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nS9x2VQrpFS9rscZ3z8Rdx4GZFbGpIwWDjQrHTp5ecBdpgJP86FOHEWaD9pHg1k7vsVEb9Yijr5FZeO29OJhqr1pZFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.88'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. We're all the savvy smarties gather. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2pFPjka--_INz0t0wm8mB6SmZUvLrqC_9OV6tNl7N__JIPUelFx8zabO_WSXZ4WbEwdKZLvz20Hwe2fs11pcWom9qu4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=23.97'>00:23</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K4YFt_nI_DokPJYXPAwTc-7mvkzPoxNoQxbYzyFE9F1koNRQr_Krg2yCDZqTScy6s2pbML-uXW9VzdyJV9GXpLt41go?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.69'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I’m doing well. Can't complain. Can't complain. Here we are. By the time this episode airs, we will be in December. Oh my gosh.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GBZetg5PHMJWeuO669kRrhUutQ8PlmPvmOIyl3CWHXQlH3JL_8W_pZgTVbeZhtAPEk69m9CdkKnv6cyriQ5e9l6UInI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.98'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's a little scary. It's that time of year. It is that time of year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/maPAJETHUyWlkRhO4AdCWFkZ-gUp2yMzhNp_py_Yk_Zd9YP2Fxsv_MiGRSax1WJpAjCc99RC7_7lK92Lrj4PqdoGKuo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.6'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. All the dates kind of cascaded upon each other and oh my goodness. We all have just an extra layer of things on our minds as we're trying to wrap up work and make sure we don't miss any holidays. And there's always family members and people with birthdays in December too. I don't know how they allow that, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9BljC4cdvd4AAGSb0tN7E4ydfoGMfAI9JOb0awDQ2070kMEY6Y7LXRsSTnTSDPn1vjOweto6KJz-QuSeQXeKB-lwpRo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=60.84'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>I know</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DlcOeQVb-wL4eUCQlvX3VY7IAd-DqoRDcGD2aPiOoA3KZ-6OTc5zcfsAOdmwUx1xmRSfnHy_jaEQ8FxC7cY6huT_6o0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.44'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>It's okay</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ko1u5MMw4Fys2Hq7UIaXuZcp5fCYEU8JewK9aI5eQyTpjaMhG70Ne7oMoFvuFyP2PFVkes_umVL6UUqauYVC9F4-pIU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=62.79'>01:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not to mention the layers of extra clothing and extra tasks for those of us who live where it rudely snows. So yeah, there's all the things and it's all happening so fast, and I just want to make like a bear and hibernate.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V-Nxk22u9DQPaaWSC3bXyINJqIfSnOFDUKPNFHnBqI1mar_lf929J6PNUphtmztgBl_KjtFrnxEt7HxHEVgFnALjxAc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81.15'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>So while December is being all extra, we're going to talk a little bit about the extra of personal branding today. How's that for a segue way? It's important. I was just skimming an article from Forbes saying that yes, you needed to stand out, and I think it's the Gen Xer in me, or I don't know, the introvert, whatever. It's like, oh, do I have to? And the answer is, yeah, you kind of have to.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e8HJ8EDXXRhNLAphwLbgiMb6Dg8go0VRRH6qdWDzN3K0nkXJn3ka3982vwdqlC-MEcE_JujaU5zxHJZLVmj-8YKTmbY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=108.32'>01:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we've all, for many of us, we obviously we're in public relations, and so we believe in personal branding as well as corporate branding. We have probably helped many executive in our careers to ensure that their executive brand was as polished and as thorough as the corporate brand. And we build thought leadership programs to support and amplify that. But when it comes to us and looking at our colleagues and our peers, I know for me it's easy sometimes to become jaded when you've been doing this job for a long time. It's like the way that we feel about email marketing. We know that it works, we know the right way to do it, but we don't want to do it ourselves because we struggle with inboxes that are constantly overflowing because we have to, as per our job, we have to have a lot of information coming at us.</p>
<p>So sometimes when I look at personal brands, I do, I'm like, “Ugh, everybody's perfect. Everybody's smart, everybody's winning, and you feel a little exhausted.” So I guess what we want to look at today is looking past our own fatigue at what's really working in personal branding, and is it really effective anymore? It seems like everybody has a brand. I mean, 10 year olds have a brand, they're adhering to their own brand guidelines and everybody's got perfectly polished Instagram worthy photos, and everybody seems to have a platform and they've all got their stuff. And in a world where personal branding is super accessible in terms of the visual look and feel, and even with content these days, which used to be the differentiator, everyone has access to be able to create content that aligns with their personal brand, is it all worth it? How do we stand out? Do we want to stand out? Do we care?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C5f8HxbWiv_xbqluX_S30PDjEJP0pX7I9NbAODsts3RQ1iHA8Tjd9b7H7zssUhedX6z0mdUglVvzQ45Ts16dgBgznIM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=243.37'>04:03</a>):</p>
<p>No, I know what you mean. And I think it's especially difficult for us because we work in branding people and places and things that we can see it a mile away. We can see it when it's so shiny. And not that there's anything wrong with that necessarily, but I almost feel like we are all craving, audiences are craving a lot more authenticity. And I know that buzzword’s been around for a while, but I mean real, keep it real, because we've all seen the templates and we all know sure have the photo shoot, that's great, but I feel like we're at poised on this next layer of personal branding of, no, I really want to know what you're about. I want to know what truly makes you different. Not just, oh, well, oh, she's lit really well. Oh, okay. Everything's saying all the right things. And I think the additional differentiator is going to be letting more of yourself show, if that makes sense. I want to know what makes you tick what you're about. If it's a situation where I'm looking to work with someone, show me the warts, I don't necessarily need to see the sheen.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XX4gDbyNQMy_r1h9qN5tAW0zyBPe7vu0zw6mJiV0hhjTdTc-3ABtY0QPQLxTezd9Z-KFSku3npLMjLJawHPmN48Q1oA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.22'>05:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think we've always talked about this in public relations and in marketing. We've talked about transparency, and we understand that you're never fully transparent because that's not a smart move to make. But we've talked about authenticity a lot over the years, and I think I agree with you that being the personal branding today, in a lot of ways, it's missing personality. So it's shiny and it's bright and it's happy and it's beautiful and it's visually appealing, and the aesthetics are amazing, but sometimes a little grit, a little of you really does help to stand out because at the end of the day, we know that today more than ever, people want to connect with people. They connect with corporations often even because of the people side of it, because of how that company shows up in the world and what they stand for. And that doesn't always have to mean social values or political viewpoints.</p>
<p>It can sometimes mean a brand that's true to being funny and they bring humor, they're light or a brand that cares about issues. It can be issues driven, but that they're true to who they are, and that you see something that says, yeah, that's that brand. And we talk about Patagonia a lot. That's a great example. Even Apple's a great example of a tech company that's really true to who they are. They are who they are. They make no apologies for it. With the personal branding, sometimes it does feel like everybody's interchangeable. It's like, okay, you're great. You're smart, you're winning another award. Good for you. Yay. You. What a beautiful picture. And you, sometimes I want to know, I want to see the grit. I want to see behind that shine. I want to know, how did you really get there? I want to hear some of the reality, because we know that your story, what you're sharing, your expertise didn't come without some bumps along the road. And you don't have to bear awe, but it's nice when people are honest about what it really takes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4BVXETs0SRXZumuC41F8w6IjH9jjWfXmx40T2jtqq4EG9Rzy8rJuinUdmqrs-sh7UfSgg1Qqv4bcxSF5KKbvqmHr9aI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.28'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I can think of people that I follow on Instagram both professionally and just for fun, and yeah, they have their polished brand, but they'll also just pop on. They'll just shoot a quick video, whether it's sitting at their desk or in their car and just talk about something quickly and just be relatable. It's not like, oh, I have my ring. Like, oh, wait, oh, oh, oh. And they're like, okay, now they just say, Hey, you know what? This crossed my path today and I'm dealing with feeling like an imposter, and sometimes I feel like that, blah, blah, blah. And it's just these little moments of relatability. And I think, yes, thank you. Exactly. And that doesn't take away from the professional expertise that they offer, not one bit. So I think, and I'm not saying that that's a new thing, it's not, but I think that's a way to go a little deeper with your personal branding.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RMwB1OIVqAZiizwFjEWaHPTkzYQ6oEIxbo4p7UWCTdBMTBKLBq5YWF3V8oUab5vuN6GRFnTKkkK0AW6k0oY9rQurBjk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=547.53'>09:07</a>):</p>
<p>And I think you hit on something that's really key. It's not really all the shiny aesthetics. That's great because I look at those and I'm learning because I do videos and I am a hot mess. I don't have it all together. I don't have all the tools and all the shiny stuff. So I'm an example of somebody that's like, if you want to see a hot mess, but I am who I am, and probably still to a degree going to be kind of a hot mess. It's not that. I think what you said as communicators, we really know this and we drive this into the companies that we work with. Far too often people hide behind their playbook, and executives do this all the time. It's corporate jargon and sometimes it feels like pulling teeth to just get them to communicate. Talk to me like I'm a human being.</p>
<p>So I think what you said is really key. It's focusing more on connecting with your audience in a real way, by using words that are relatable and understandable and not defaulting to your industry playbook, whatever industry you might be in. And being so concerned with sounding smart to your audience that you lose them because you're not relatable. That to me is one way to stand out and understanding the reality. And it's interesting. I feel like companies have really had to grasp this with the tension between work, from home, return to office. They finally figured out, look, we got multi-generations and the workforce. We have a diverse group of people that we're working with, with diverse opinions, with diverse preferences. We ain't going to satisfy everybody, so we got to just do what we got to do. And some people are going to be unhappy, and we just have to live with that. And I feel like more of us need to adopt that attitude, realizing we are never going to be able to satisfy all of the people all of the time, and that should never be our goal. So be yourself. It's funny because I even feel like sometimes that when we think we're sharing a bit of ourselves with people, that too just becomes so sanitized. It's like, oh, I am the yoga wearing meditating PR professional, and it's so pretty and perfect. So now you're just incorporated fitness influencer into your brand, and it's annoying. I don't look that good in my yoga pants. I'm sorry. No,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0t5e0nUHz5FP1GE4CPjygKRdJJwQVmOdCJhso4zYp-SoiHVo8t-QLO3vDbHqFjdtLf_94ruFSJs5J0IrRq4K-aCmDWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.89'>11:49</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZX_BTOSxLgl5za5wtJ-Uafex-Zh416n83lthUH7b_mKJkFbGFAg5Zho0BHSbLZ1gCuEZh6vEku_d3s4Jq3B8Ll6gMOQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=711.03'>11:51</a>):</p>
<p>Five minutes to meditate. So it just, it's not, but that's okay. That person probably is not for me, and I'm being a little facetious. I'm not attacking people. Please don't take that away. I really am being a little facetious. But the point is, we should be relatable. Just communicate down a notch. You're still winning. You're still beautiful, wonderful, smart and shiny, but just make sure that you talk to people in a way that's real. Be your true self as a communicator.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nsi-NBRDCikC6UDGRDoPy6Pb8A2Jai21_wypzTBH8Nz0NUnRrrGOi515F9KccnV6xAh9ji6Plr6mmIIbpZhJ907ZWoM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=746.92'>12:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Well, and it's important what you said, because not everybody is going to be for everybody, and that's okay. And to your point about those that stick to their playbook and the jargon, and flip that around, because if that's all you're doing and it's like you have a really difficult time being relatable, that's almost going to make me question your credibility. Because if it feels like you're just being stilted all the time and reciting the right things, I'm thinking, gosh, is if I don't have any other evidence of it, or is this all just a bit of a show? So that's something to think about. Don't be afraid to be yourself. I'm not saying be Rodney Dangerfield and Caddy Shack, although there's people for that persona too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Xtaj6xlPccKLv5k1pOyBTU67rWcjnaQmZOpcsEo6EO56UjcdOTgmEoepGIf20Pgwd7DpERHvlTOl8fQjbw4RpQAQ5D8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=803.67'>13:23</a>):</p>
<p>But I mean, it's funny that you could lose people even when you're being creative. I read this funny Buzzfeed article, it actually, it was kind of funny, but a Buzzfeed article that was asking people, what movie did you see? And you thought, what the heck did I just watch? So we all can name a movie that we watch. Movies are entertainment, therefore, your enjoyment, your pleasure. And sometimes the writers, the people behind the movie are so busy being clever and different that they lose you. And you do, you sit through the movie and you go, what was that?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ql9zxy7JzR4vTkvshbEWEeG0ft2J8p0i_iflfaZB24scY15T881ziwxXzBqAcFvMTnzWOhOab5jlg3Xj0-3mZyHFOTE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=848.38'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>What just happened?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CvMY3anyzoLyh1AeBesMT8AR2EAESV8qGjjB-F5t5h7uSbf7uJCvfVh6xxdMi-rFS9ef-Uh_4cCJRjEtQhor33KXOus?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=852.07'>14:12</a>):</p>
<p>I can't get that two hours of my life back. And so don't be that. Don't be the movie The Circle, which was horrid. I promise you. I sort of got what they were trying to say and do. But that was one of the recent movies in history where I was like, what did I just watch? Because that was pretty bad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W_LVObS4X-6SHvxbbnEZB-ZG1dJYehVE5Ixg1MZVewRMH9mK9xMys8p7ztsEdEAr1QxXJsBjyiJktU2aqOStvFf8_EU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=875.53'>14:35</a>):</p>
<p>Oh man. Yeah. I'm trying to think. Nothing's coming to mind super quickly. Of what?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MOGoRspbsqOsBjgj-RNqus5OtK5Xq8H18fgLlv8hc5o7wSomRD8xa1jcRm8NKNiIcu5DwUhmbm-ZNtlDZ1iP7_1vdRA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=882.4'>14:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GLLkQpukU3KSOrHRyEBdmDabWo6r94WFvrOPJYSUu77QF1NTt0XFmluePiTbwejfFDqsoJ7va7admX9GosVluE8QYqI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=884.56'>14:44</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and it's harder when you can see it, right? You can see them trying so hard and it's almost painful, and you think, no, no. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YjvKW_Wgv9wW7ObUc1hnPcwi6EC_mR-ChjOpuYr1OKYMjvL9Ikhh67ZoMdRyubFZ0yRX5fLpeyYir-znyVlqOtlkRr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=894.44'>14:54</a>):</p>
<p>So even if you're funny comedian, you're entertaining. That's part of your personal brand. Make sure that you're not too clever for your audience or it won't land, right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3ydoRtfYa5O1PMIFAnCKpgHI0aj-e2jP5gU2lyPYlpdSZ873kb89KIXqsqHmsVen8CG4h4se0teLLNeqvZ9wCBoPNL8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=906.47'>15:06</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So what we're really saying is what, keep it as natural as you can be yourself. Don't be afraid to show parts of your personality and your branding. Honestly, at the end of it all, it's really a way to let people get to know you. And there's that know, like, and trust factor of people wanting those three items fulfilled to do business with you. So we hope this chat today has been helpful as we enter what some call the silly season. We hope you're keeping your wits about you, and if you did get value from this, please do share it around. We would really appreciate that. That would be the best gift you could give us this year. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. We're all the savvy smarties gather. Hi Karen, how are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:23):
Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:26):
I’m doing well. Can't complain. Can't complain. Here we are. By the time this episode airs, we will be in December. Oh my gosh.
Karen Swim, APR (00:34):
Yeah, that's a little scary. It's that time of year. It is that time of year.
Michelle Kane (00:39):
Yes. All the dates kind of cascaded upon each other and oh my goodness. We all have just an extra layer of things on our minds as we're trying to wrap up work and make sure we don't miss any holidays. And there's always family members and people with birthdays in December too. I don't know how they allow that, but
Karen Swim, APR (01:00):
I know
Michelle Kane (01:01):
It's okay
Karen Swim, APR (01:02):
Not to mention the layers of extra clothing and extra tasks for those of us who live where it rudely snows. So yeah, there's all the things and it's all happening so fast, and I just want to make like a bear and hibernate.
Michelle Kane (01:21):
So while December is being all extra, we're going to talk a little bit about the extra of personal branding today. How's that for a segue way? It's important. I was just skimming an article from Forbes saying that yes, you needed to stand out, and I think it's the Gen Xer in me, or I don't know, the introvert, whatever. It's like, oh, do I have to? And the answer is, yeah, you kind of have to.
Karen Swim, APR (01:48):
Yeah, we've all, for many of us, we obviously we're in public relations, and so we believe in personal branding as well as corporate branding. We have probably helped many executive in our careers to ensure that their executive brand was as polished and as thorough as the corporate brand. And we build thought leadership programs to support and amplify that. But when it comes to us and looking at our colleagues and our peers, I know for me it's easy sometimes to become jaded when you've been doing this job for a long time. It's like the way that we feel about email marketing. We know that it works, we know the right way to do it, but we don't want to do it ourselves because we struggle with inboxes that are constantly overflowing because we have to, as per our job, we have to have a lot of information coming at us.
So sometimes when I look at personal brands, I do, I'm like, “Ugh, everybody's perfect. Everybody's smart, everybody's winning, and you feel a little exhausted.” So I guess what we want to look at today is looking past our own fatigue at what's really working in personal branding, and is it really effective anymore? It seems like everybody has a brand. I mean, 10 year olds have a brand, they're adhering to their own brand guidelines and everybody's got perfectly polished Instagram worthy photos, and everybody seems to have a platform and they've all got their stuff. And in a world where personal branding is super accessible in terms of the visual look and feel, and even with content these days, which used to be the differentiator, everyone has access to be able to create content that aligns with their personal brand, is it all worth it? How do we stand out? Do we want to stand out? Do we care?
Michelle Kane (04:03):
No, I know what you mean. And I think it's especially difficult for us because we work in branding people and places and things that we can see it a mile away. We can se]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode we cover the turmoil at OpenAI, AI vetting PR pitches, and the newly-released <a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/ai-insights'>Guidelines, Tips, and Best Practices for using AI</a> from PRSA. Let us know what you think at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lOrJPNZBNsCR5VRADQo0AMAHPxGYnqw-AYnGGbrI9Ntp2VscD4u-gU6JibMMnDbGqivXCzkDjT1fzM2rsc4uD2FOqxg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.23'>00:04</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jWyiLoXnw7zk7pbNmLzQ0tPHVa-YbmNpNjUZvIsngoUGvOLgMMr1cqf-7wqfyhx6eQYg6RPgcurAqrvuWtLYomWJhQE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.55'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HcOPfGikEzLiJngynmtpV6Ue5ZQGfg-0GnrttfCn76Eo1t_39NAkkRX27nZeRSUCUMbaYB-J6dBbMRyh4GKqWyD8MmU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.13'>00:24</a>):</p>
<p>Doing well, doing well. We're coming on this episode after Thanksgiving, so we hope all of you had a really terrific holiday with your family and friends and got to relax a little bit and are easing your way into the return to the workplace.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>Except this year, was it really Thanksgiving or was it just pre-Christmas? Because in my neighborhood, people skipped right to Christmas before Halloween was even over. So I am surrounded by lit up subdivisions and Christmas lights. Not that they set it all up because the weather was nice, which would be smart, but they actually just pulled the trigger some people in as well. The weather was good. They just go ahead and set up all the outside stuff and then turn it on for Thanksgiving. No, no, no, not this year. We have full on Christmas here in Michigan, and that was before Thanksgiving, long before Thanksgiving. So I'm thinking Thanksgiving is, it's really losing its way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ttq-88jr7ENTBWHeWRDomIu6fLbyqWoBvpAeyRBTlGqg9MgXFsBKtHmhi2-ywtFCWwU6_j1mK2uOO2DNrGUIa5u_3xA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.19'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it is. I mean, thankfully we have parades in football to keep us in check, but it is strange because I consider myself a pretty flexible Gen Xer, but there are certain societal cues that I need and some that I miss. So you have to have, the stuffing has to digest before I pull out the red and the green and the yellow and the blue and all that stuff. Back in the day, the Jerry Lewis telethon final tote had to happen before I would set foot back in my school. None of that happens anymore. It's</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BqJw-Ys-0z89p3rBLz_AWJ9h_ZeDzIMDgKYWq00TGKKkkxD25duoYjNjNMhVoR5MDZ81NBfL-NO6v0jlxXKL8k8tT5I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.51'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Anything happens anymore, and I'm feeling like Thanksgiving is, it's going to go the way of Pluto. It's going to get demoted,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BY_7sBlB2E5cmUNkLY3WZdBHvXXq5Suofli6eGoOsEhfk11ks37-9R58-IDSSES2mz26CS7Er4gkbbcfieVY2ierYc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.55'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Although</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hGa1ySAX6chWf0dNL-abG1S0Ae-pjCG08H-j_H9FVQEsYI9Az78Ya9WObAcMVU_rP-yiWa-5RFRAjyT5IQsbPB50fH0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.79'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>It's going to come to be known not as Thanksgiving, but as carb loading for Black Friday. I don't know.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xVu3gevrpMNqBx6v3RNJDqaeH64ywZN7nEN0abxa5_FLXBJwO3LdGyILVnRQJj1_0jJ7mI771WpB0H3eR9mfePZYtv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.81'>02:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I think everything's faster. I mean, we've seen the online sales early Black Friday, but in a way that's good. I am seeing, I can't give you the list, but it's nice to see that some big box stores are having sanity, sanity has prevailed. They're either not opening on Thanksgiving or they're having relatively, I don't want to say decent, but their hours aren't too wild. But yeah, it's weird days. Weird days. Maybe it speaks to our general anxiety as a society. Let's just get it done.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EOv8569SK3FYwO01knqx3Qp2dhuHlUrAFHBJI4Xkm7rvcVB4W_mUHUiWA3McpPJr_uiL5s4PbiZzrQa8h7Ebnr8NR1E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.6'>03:01</a>):</p>
<p>This could be, was the thought sparked by the great toilet paper raid of 2020? I don't know. Is that where it all started to turn?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7q2rjkw-2FVXlFEwpe-XqjT3tUbQHBCYFKxq_Ef0d5ayAFu3_AyQ7I7lwL7BqXvx2YrvTPHmVwXDSSKvsY3PkfIsTGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.57'>03:10</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, I don't know. I don't know but that would speak to my inner Girl Scout. Be prepared.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EMs7HQ4qjDNlVDHQM18OGULsErRqTRL-iSRiKJbCRaWd3slB4IxWl9PuVbpE2Dk3Ezm0uTEBWuXOsEMUk3IWEuBbQGg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.18'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>This is true. So why not have Black Friday four weeks ahead of schedule so that the planners and the preppers could make sure that they got everything that they need on sale.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uHqeRDr2uDFfP4vDQNAGLo94NWvfp9cShw7gCgoyfEe4W9EdTO6xuRR-RhrD0pnx3pA9OQjcQd1lomDnFAdAQc33mto?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=208.27'>03:28</a>):</p>
<p>That's right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3h0w5BNGCMc5slnBt3jK7i_2Raw0_LZc6i1BfmYFAJphQDCrGRcnphN4LxqX31VDuY81X1-F26oDPfdvI3FSB-fAsQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=209.23'>03:29</a>):</p>
<p>Someone else, before it's all gone.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VJJPQABfiFFfMGhmkN1bnVriMnBj9WXn1nC-ijCA4PnSopekc2jVnNUogoTIFgKyQJjq92lEIQ07Fm3UJoWahC4Z7xQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.54'>03:31</a>):</p>
<p>I will say if you are still eating your tuna fish from 1999, please don’t.</p>
<p>Well, in the name of prepping, I don't know if this segue is terrible, but there's been some activity. I know this is shocking in the world of AI, artificial intelligence, especially as it touches upon our profession, by the time this hits your podcast queue, not sure where the situation with OpenAI is going to be because it seems to be every day there's something new happening. But recently, the board ousted the chair, and now some of the board, the employees are signing petitions to bring him back. And as someone pointed out on the news today, such an influential change-making organization in the hands of the number of people you can count on two hands, not a great thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fg7LNFI_jSdfQpxghkXbSYTD_w_X2utoU8V9WwqeXXyF4ChSmmaqRHJnUREeK_jSDigv0U_ktaUktZJfvaHGEsGYpc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=280.12'>04:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, it's interesting from so many perspectives, it is huge in the world of AI because when there's that type of a shakeup, so Sam Altman, the CEO was ousted, as you said by the board, but then some other key members, I guess left and then they appointed an interim, and then Microsoft hired Sam, but then there was a push to bring Sam back, and Sam I think was part of that push. And the whole thing is just weird.</p>
<p>For users of OpenAI. It does make you take a step back because first of all, when the CEO is ousted by the board, sometimes those are due to concerns that don't speak to the product or the quality, but it does make you pause and wonder if you can trust the product. When there's this level of turmoil at that level, it really does make you think about that. Is this really something that I should continue to use? Can I have faith in it? And AI is so, it's growing so fast and things are changing so quickly, and so it brings a level of hesitancy that I don't think that the company really needed, and who that heck knows where it's all going from here. It's been a day-to-day drama.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kUlnnVV8mQWl7aU4csv_GY4lbzVdXPj9FJwI6SDucDIfrgiO48yaTxI5bcZ1z7fwO3MKGUu_mnGOdvppWTttljdNm94?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.47'>06:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it really has. Well, for me, it seemed to come out of nowhere because I'm not exactly paying attention to that company 24/7, but I thought, wait, what? What? Yeah, and what will that mean for the future of AI? But we have also learned that PRSA has a little something to say about the future of AI, at least in our practice. They have released a document on the ethics of using AI in your writing within our industry of public relations, which is a nice thing to have.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfgNzrt38JXxFSrc0riOhpbQINvMDF4_aLpv_if1jPU-CPCkqygoCSQKJnnwTshV8yYaND7NY-2hVR9o6zB1IlZ0fxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.4'>06:39</a>):</p>
<p>That is a great thing to have.</p>
<p>By the way, again, this could change again, but OpenAI named three interim CEOs in three days. So I'm feeling like if you have solely been relying on ChatGPT, you might want to just add some other tools to the mix because this is not giving stability vibes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jtpmlZ-L9VJoMSgnFdIbFau6cLQoqn0t4Q7QL56ZeHFSMpFopKCNXzWtvO1IkPdEd2EBIBFPMbaTq-Wdbb07k8MIEDY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.6'>07:05</a>):</p>
<p>No, no, it is not. But yeah, if you have been wondering or concerned about the ethical use of AI in your everyday practice or as a whole, we will put the link in our show notes. But please do head over to PRSA.org. It is a 10-page document and just lays out potential risks, ethical challenges. Like I said, we're going to put it in our show notes, but it really does lay out the ethical risks and best practices, which is what we all need, because let's face it, this tool is here to stay in so many ways. And as we've said many times on this podcast, it's best to get to know it, get good at it in an ethical manner, because it's really going to help you to not only stand out, but to be competitive as we move forward.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C6CW80a8IwDxUa7Ahsycv542rBOAM2ZYOw4-ZRP-qPfOQBMTaAt8M_vqVFFL52yeyfX_iCKeR3lEGd7UVtXsHo2ES2M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.65'>08:15</a>):</p>
<p>And shout out to Michelle Egan, who is the 2023 PRSA chair, and Mark Dewar, who is the best man ever, I adore Mark and have had the pleasure of serving with Mark. They headed up this effort, and I know that the people behind this are so thoughtful, and it's cool that it doesn't look like you have to log into PRSA. So even if you are not a PRSA member, you should be able to grab this resource, which I think is a thing we do need to pay attention to. And a nice resource, thank you so much PRSA for providing that, for leaving the way as well as to other organizations who have really taken this seriously and outlined some guidelines for communication professionals.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/waMGLBgTmPGAxl72G81uvvR4WIjy__BF0MFhJOWYL45B5rtuXoE_NOxKDcS3aWDD7muHAM9A7ZefADfIy3Y_OmazLxU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.93'>09:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And then there's the other blip on the radar of AI, which is pretty significant. I know, Karen, you had discovered there's some developments regarding AI in pitching stories.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L3YwJFdrFFwxVQ1fN4KmVujdgbpZgRTDPnHY3uThmUzW-vtfyad6h9Xk0QYD8oY6sPr6Dhq-Doh8TQYxwaxfx4vTYxA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=570.18'>09:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, apparently. So, AI, not human beings, may be reading your pitches, which is a little demoralizing considering how hard we all work to craft those personalized targeted pitches. And so media relations is really becoming very different these days. You even have resources that used to be great for aligning sources and reporters that are now not even being vetted and verified, and I'll go ahead and call them out. It's HARO specifically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U3heJeAb4zwN4zr79narjok2_nDk3RZJbFn6dEAiBBiZHwQrZ_jo_Opyba-UKylNvQ0eNANxCuhGhTLegANA5iiBvZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.15'>10:15</a>):</p>
<p>So that's a thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ryLTJcX2XMphL8LDsYgJJBJABaWRu5r2GdwCAje7rBi_9TTYxUXSSkaMC8cGyYUhOcy5PmJOfpsWc-5aJLrmyVCciCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.36'>10:15</a>):</p>
<p>It really has kind of become, I've not really paid attention to HARO's in quite some time because they don't verify the sources. And you do see a lot of content shops and SEO specialists -  nothing wrong with SEO specialists. However, when you are working on behalf of clients, you're looking for something different. You're using HARO as a source to really support your thought leadership efforts. And so some of these publications are not always that, and so you're looking for more editorial. And so that's really, it's just an interesting and somewhat concerning use of AI when you don't have humanity involved in these decisions. But at the same time, I'm seeing a lot of journalists move over to the content side because let's face it, journalists are not really being paid the amount of money that they should for their talent. And I still, I don't know about you, but I still get so excited when I read a piece by a journalist in a publication that really allows them to exercise their craft.</p>
<p>And the writing is so sharp, and sometimes the things are so beautifully written and so deeply investigated and researched that it just still makes me excited. I am also sad that there's not more of that, that is no longer the norm, but it is really exciting when you have journalists at a publication who really get to do what they do best, which is right. Investigate, really present all sides of an issue. I love that. I love it. Whether it's about a societal problem or politics, I just really still enjoy good old fashioned, great writing, and I don't want to see that disappear.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Y7kSJiEBG3dWPT0wcwKylwi6ju6VX3-C2rQU_n0Ve7zdXAseW__iZXdhf9_Ly_ca3WWyp0Ut2C5_0AgkNqrkxsDozo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=722.98'>12:02</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And it's our loss as a society that is not valued. And I don't know, there's so many moving parts these days and people's lives, we just whizz along. And I don't think people, it's not to say they're ignoring it or that they're making a wrong decision, but guys, well, I know preaching to the choir, but people in general have got to value our journalists and demand it. Demand it. So that's why we say things like, subscribe to your  paper. You may not appreciate it, but then when you realize you don't know what's going on in your community, oh, who used to do that? Oh, that boring old paper that I used to slag off on.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pqLjSXUjHQdBchchpWdlL69QNOhu3fEryt5skeq2RA9GuChdbXTWnzAWCezHIf_SE4w63vo16VPbBNiwBNX4tOsjlsg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=771.4'>12:51</a>):</p>
<p>So very true. And journalists are continuing to be under attack, which in 2023, moreso for being truthful, but we need them. We need unbiased professional reporting. But you know what? We also need journalists outside of that realm of really holding us accountable of telling our stories and writing history. They're so good at that. Even I read a journalist tribute to Matthew Perry following his death, and it stuck with me. And I thought, wow, we need people who have this gift, who have this talent, who love this job that they do, who to speak these words in a way that not everyone can speak them. And I don't want to lose that. I'm sorry. And thank God for the Hollywood writers fighting for their right to exist with ai. They're not eliminating ai, but they also were able to bring out their role and fight for their rights and get what they wanted. We can coexist with ai, but I don't want AI to take over.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/phPK-0OG3iwWLwbcKZuWiLgwJ94avImYUPKyr4h-mK2647FA0b3J9xYMSV_IMwVcegj-vTxxxZcrEf8E2h0F-I4N6Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=853'>14:13</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. We need to maintain the humanity of it, because if that's lost, what's really, what's the point of our existence? Was it Winston Churchill? Back in World War II. He said, if we don't keep the arts and things alive, then what are we fighting for? So definitely, and we'll put sports writers in there. I’ve got to tell you, sometimes a beautifully written article, like if it's a championship or something, sports writers can make me cry. There is a special romance to sports writing that is often underappreciated.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ItMdfKkAqi_v2OWV2BFlBKjs3Ty7hDBjg98AjhB_GyU5wd3XImO7mFW3rEyJSCrqHx_NHltTjr7FWYgNLv-r3FcDM-c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.92'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Completely agree. Completely agree with you. We are not talking about sports broadcasters though, however, who may up their sideline commentary. Can we not talk about that?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IclMk7Ge2M_S5QBLf9Sy2X5cyvq1P5qEuHu5RRKsXgwVHQWKX5RqVCWhnU8o_84emO4C7Cp6p2e7dVQObvjRzH4PdNE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.9'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. No, we are not talking about that. No. No, we are not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jLBGzl0u54DueJWA9oLMer2J7jU4o5RbaJh8vqer1fEkf4dYhepTBWDfh7hKHV2I_sLo31FCNpFnvnIVpQMib-lNumE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.42'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>We don't talk about Bruno, and we're not talking about sports broadcasters today, but maybe on another day we will address that</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JhIdVtDjwySG7eTiAmSnwERLeyI01kDqST7B8KCeBwRjsRjKkhff2JUH7PTI6I-zziZtX36lfe9srwXtXyQHLjFigoE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=924.61'>15:24</a>):</p>
<p>Issue. Agree? Yes. Yes. Keep it real people. You know what? We're going to find out</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhBB_5fAY0jn0jT6o5e_ddZKLWJCi4XVXYRR9tslZ4ugrz-vBYfa6iqfwyjD7bP2oJsEk-r5K3b1DDi8pfMPm_Gvqbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=932.6'>15:32</a>):</p>
<p>100%.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/32LjOHjX1Jgbz_4c1t1s55BNyXh0y0CC5mDgThaG9LYlUnDdOW4plqgaXQPDtowGyCaVyQYO1qo3kp2NH3JPu8ZgCdw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=934.49'>15:34</a>):</p>
<p>We always, oh my goodness. Well, we wanted to let this digest along with your holiday meals, so we kept it short and sweet today, and we hope you got some value out of this. And if you did, please share it. I was going to see if you did not, what if you did, please do share it around and hit us up at soloprpro.com. Let us know what you want us to talk about. What can we dig into and talk about in a future podcast? But until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode we cover the turmoil at OpenAI, AI vetting PR pitches, and the newly-released <a href='https://www.prsa.org/professional-development/ai-insights'>Guidelines, Tips, and Best Practices for using AI</a> from PRSA. Let us know what you think at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lOrJPNZBNsCR5VRADQo0AMAHPxGYnqw-AYnGGbrI9Ntp2VscD4u-gU6JibMMnDbGqivXCzkDjT1fzM2rsc4uD2FOqxg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=4.23'>00:04</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jWyiLoXnw7zk7pbNmLzQ0tPHVa-YbmNpNjUZvIsngoUGvOLgMMr1cqf-7wqfyhx6eQYg6RPgcurAqrvuWtLYomWJhQE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.55'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HcOPfGikEzLiJngynmtpV6Ue5ZQGfg-0GnrttfCn76Eo1t_39NAkkRX27nZeRSUCUMbaYB-J6dBbMRyh4GKqWyD8MmU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=24.13'>00:24</a>):</p>
<p>Doing well, doing well. We're coming on this episode after Thanksgiving, so we hope all of you had a really terrific holiday with your family and friends and got to relax a little bit and are easing your way into the return to the workplace.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>Except this year, was it really Thanksgiving or was it just pre-Christmas? Because in my neighborhood, people skipped right to Christmas before Halloween was even over. So I am surrounded by lit up subdivisions and Christmas lights. Not that they set it all up because the weather was nice, which would be smart, but they actually just pulled the trigger some people in as well. The weather was good. They just go ahead and set up all the outside stuff and then turn it on for Thanksgiving. No, no, no, not this year. We have full on Christmas here in Michigan, and that was before Thanksgiving, long before Thanksgiving. So I'm thinking Thanksgiving is, it's really losing its way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ttq-88jr7ENTBWHeWRDomIu6fLbyqWoBvpAeyRBTlGqg9MgXFsBKtHmhi2-ywtFCWwU6_j1mK2uOO2DNrGUIa5u_3xA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.19'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it is. I mean, thankfully we have parades in football to keep us in check, but it is strange because I consider myself a pretty flexible Gen Xer, but there are certain societal cues that I need and some that I miss. So you have to have, the stuffing has to digest before I pull out the red and the green and the yellow and the blue and all that stuff. Back in the day, the Jerry Lewis telethon final tote had to happen before I would set foot back in my school. None of that happens anymore. It's</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BqJw-Ys-0z89p3rBLz_AWJ9h_ZeDzIMDgKYWq00TGKKkkxD25duoYjNjNMhVoR5MDZ81NBfL-NO6v0jlxXKL8k8tT5I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.51'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Anything happens anymore, and I'm feeling like Thanksgiving is, it's going to go the way of Pluto. It's going to get demoted,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BY_7sBlB2E5cmUNkLY3WZdBHvXXq5Suofli6eGoOsEhfk11ks37-9R58-IDSSES2mz26CS7Er4gkbbcfieVY2ierYc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.55'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Although</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hGa1ySAX6chWf0dNL-abG1S0Ae-pjCG08H-j_H9FVQEsYI9Az78Ya9WObAcMVU_rP-yiWa-5RFRAjyT5IQsbPB50fH0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.79'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>It's going to come to be known not as Thanksgiving, but as carb loading for Black Friday. I don't know.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xVu3gevrpMNqBx6v3RNJDqaeH64ywZN7nEN0abxa5_FLXBJwO3LdGyILVnRQJj1_0jJ7mI771WpB0H3eR9mfePZYtv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=144.81'>02:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I think everything's faster. I mean, we've seen the online sales early Black Friday, but in a way that's good. I am seeing, I can't give you the list, but it's nice to see that some big box stores are having sanity, sanity has prevailed. They're either not opening on Thanksgiving or they're having relatively, I don't want to say decent, but their hours aren't too wild. But yeah, it's weird days. Weird days. Maybe it speaks to our general anxiety as a society. Let's just get it done.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EOv8569SK3FYwO01knqx3Qp2dhuHlUrAFHBJI4Xkm7rvcVB4W_mUHUiWA3McpPJr_uiL5s4PbiZzrQa8h7Ebnr8NR1E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=181.6'>03:01</a>):</p>
<p>This could be, was the thought sparked by the great toilet paper raid of 2020? I don't know. Is that where it all started to turn?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7q2rjkw-2FVXlFEwpe-XqjT3tUbQHBCYFKxq_Ef0d5ayAFu3_AyQ7I7lwL7BqXvx2YrvTPHmVwXDSSKvsY3PkfIsTGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=190.57'>03:10</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, I don't know. I don't know but that would speak to my inner Girl Scout. Be prepared.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EMs7HQ4qjDNlVDHQM18OGULsErRqTRL-iSRiKJbCRaWd3slB4IxWl9PuVbpE2Dk3Ezm0uTEBWuXOsEMUk3IWEuBbQGg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.18'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>This is true. So why not have Black Friday four weeks ahead of schedule so that the planners and the preppers could make sure that they got everything that they need on sale.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uHqeRDr2uDFfP4vDQNAGLo94NWvfp9cShw7gCgoyfEe4W9EdTO6xuRR-RhrD0pnx3pA9OQjcQd1lomDnFAdAQc33mto?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=208.27'>03:28</a>):</p>
<p>That's right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3h0w5BNGCMc5slnBt3jK7i_2Raw0_LZc6i1BfmYFAJphQDCrGRcnphN4LxqX31VDuY81X1-F26oDPfdvI3FSB-fAsQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=209.23'>03:29</a>):</p>
<p>Someone else, before it's all gone.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VJJPQABfiFFfMGhmkN1bnVriMnBj9WXn1nC-ijCA4PnSopekc2jVnNUogoTIFgKyQJjq92lEIQ07Fm3UJoWahC4Z7xQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=211.54'>03:31</a>):</p>
<p>I will say if you are still eating your tuna fish from 1999, please don’t.</p>
<p>Well, in the name of prepping, I don't know if this segue is terrible, but there's been some activity. I know this is shocking in the world of AI, artificial intelligence, especially as it touches upon our profession, by the time this hits your podcast queue, not sure where the situation with OpenAI is going to be because it seems to be every day there's something new happening. But recently, the board ousted the chair, and now some of the board, the employees are signing petitions to bring him back. And as someone pointed out on the news today, such an influential change-making organization in the hands of the number of people you can count on two hands, not a great thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fg7LNFI_jSdfQpxghkXbSYTD_w_X2utoU8V9WwqeXXyF4ChSmmaqRHJnUREeK_jSDigv0U_ktaUktZJfvaHGEsGYpc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=280.12'>04:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, it's interesting from so many perspectives, it is huge in the world of AI because when there's that type of a shakeup, so Sam Altman, the CEO was ousted, as you said by the board, but then some other key members, I guess left and then they appointed an interim, and then Microsoft hired Sam, but then there was a push to bring Sam back, and Sam I think was part of that push. And the whole thing is just weird.</p>
<p>For users of OpenAI. It does make you take a step back because first of all, when the CEO is ousted by the board, sometimes those are due to concerns that don't speak to the product or the quality, but it does make you pause and wonder if you can trust the product. When there's this level of turmoil at that level, it really does make you think about that. Is this really something that I should continue to use? Can I have faith in it? And AI is so, it's growing so fast and things are changing so quickly, and so it brings a level of hesitancy that I don't think that the company really needed, and who that heck knows where it's all going from here. It's been a day-to-day drama.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kUlnnVV8mQWl7aU4csv_GY4lbzVdXPj9FJwI6SDucDIfrgiO48yaTxI5bcZ1z7fwO3MKGUu_mnGOdvppWTttljdNm94?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=363.47'>06:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it really has. Well, for me, it seemed to come out of nowhere because I'm not exactly paying attention to that company 24/7, but I thought, wait, what? What? Yeah, and what will that mean for the future of AI? But we have also learned that PRSA has a little something to say about the future of AI, at least in our practice. They have released a document on the ethics of using AI in your writing within our industry of public relations, which is a nice thing to have.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfgNzrt38JXxFSrc0riOhpbQINvMDF4_aLpv_if1jPU-CPCkqygoCSQKJnnwTshV8yYaND7NY-2hVR9o6zB1IlZ0fxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399.4'>06:39</a>):</p>
<p>That is a great thing to have.</p>
<p>By the way, again, this could change again, but OpenAI named three interim CEOs in three days. So I'm feeling like if you have solely been relying on ChatGPT, you might want to just add some other tools to the mix because this is not giving stability vibes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jtpmlZ-L9VJoMSgnFdIbFau6cLQoqn0t4Q7QL56ZeHFSMpFopKCNXzWtvO1IkPdEd2EBIBFPMbaTq-Wdbb07k8MIEDY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=425.6'>07:05</a>):</p>
<p>No, no, it is not. But yeah, if you have been wondering or concerned about the ethical use of AI in your everyday practice or as a whole, we will put the link in our show notes. But please do head over to PRSA.org. It is a 10-page document and just lays out potential risks, ethical challenges. Like I said, we're going to put it in our show notes, but it really does lay out the ethical risks and best practices, which is what we all need, because let's face it, this tool is here to stay in so many ways. And as we've said many times on this podcast, it's best to get to know it, get good at it in an ethical manner, because it's really going to help you to not only stand out, but to be competitive as we move forward.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C6CW80a8IwDxUa7Ahsycv542rBOAM2ZYOw4-ZRP-qPfOQBMTaAt8M_vqVFFL52yeyfX_iCKeR3lEGd7UVtXsHo2ES2M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.65'>08:15</a>):</p>
<p>And shout out to Michelle Egan, who is the 2023 PRSA chair, and Mark Dewar, who is the best man ever, I adore Mark and have had the pleasure of serving with Mark. They headed up this effort, and I know that the people behind this are so thoughtful, and it's cool that it doesn't look like you have to log into PRSA. So even if you are not a PRSA member, you should be able to grab this resource, which I think is a thing we do need to pay attention to. And a nice resource, thank you so much PRSA for providing that, for leaving the way as well as to other organizations who have really taken this seriously and outlined some guidelines for communication professionals.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/waMGLBgTmPGAxl72G81uvvR4WIjy__BF0MFhJOWYL45B5rtuXoE_NOxKDcS3aWDD7muHAM9A7ZefADfIy3Y_OmazLxU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=552.93'>09:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. And then there's the other blip on the radar of AI, which is pretty significant. I know, Karen, you had discovered there's some developments regarding AI in pitching stories.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L3YwJFdrFFwxVQ1fN4KmVujdgbpZgRTDPnHY3uThmUzW-vtfyad6h9Xk0QYD8oY6sPr6Dhq-Doh8TQYxwaxfx4vTYxA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=570.18'>09:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, apparently. So, AI, not human beings, may be reading your pitches, which is a little demoralizing considering how hard we all work to craft those personalized targeted pitches. And so media relations is really becoming very different these days. You even have resources that used to be great for aligning sources and reporters that are now not even being vetted and verified, and I'll go ahead and call them out. It's HARO specifically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U3heJeAb4zwN4zr79narjok2_nDk3RZJbFn6dEAiBBiZHwQrZ_jo_Opyba-UKylNvQ0eNANxCuhGhTLegANA5iiBvZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.15'>10:15</a>):</p>
<p>So that's a thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ryLTJcX2XMphL8LDsYgJJBJABaWRu5r2GdwCAje7rBi_9TTYxUXSSkaMC8cGyYUhOcy5PmJOfpsWc-5aJLrmyVCciCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=615.36'>10:15</a>):</p>
<p>It really has kind of become, I've not really paid attention to HARO's in quite some time because they don't verify the sources. And you do see a lot of content shops and SEO specialists -  nothing wrong with SEO specialists. However, when you are working on behalf of clients, you're looking for something different. You're using HARO as a source to really support your thought leadership efforts. And so some of these publications are not always that, and so you're looking for more editorial. And so that's really, it's just an interesting and somewhat concerning use of AI when you don't have humanity involved in these decisions. But at the same time, I'm seeing a lot of journalists move over to the content side because let's face it, journalists are not really being paid the amount of money that they should for their talent. And I still, I don't know about you, but I still get so excited when I read a piece by a journalist in a publication that really allows them to exercise their craft.</p>
<p>And the writing is so sharp, and sometimes the things are so beautifully written and so deeply investigated and researched that it just still makes me excited. I am also sad that there's not more of that, that is no longer the norm, but it is really exciting when you have journalists at a publication who really get to do what they do best, which is right. Investigate, really present all sides of an issue. I love that. I love it. Whether it's about a societal problem or politics, I just really still enjoy good old fashioned, great writing, and I don't want to see that disappear.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Y7kSJiEBG3dWPT0wcwKylwi6ju6VX3-C2rQU_n0Ve7zdXAseW__iZXdhf9_Ly_ca3WWyp0Ut2C5_0AgkNqrkxsDozo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=722.98'>12:02</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And it's our loss as a society that is not valued. And I don't know, there's so many moving parts these days and people's lives, we just whizz along. And I don't think people, it's not to say they're ignoring it or that they're making a wrong decision, but guys, well, I know preaching to the choir, but people in general have got to value our journalists and demand it. Demand it. So that's why we say things like, subscribe to your  paper. You may not appreciate it, but then when you realize you don't know what's going on in your community, oh, who used to do that? Oh, that boring old paper that I used to slag off on.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pqLjSXUjHQdBchchpWdlL69QNOhu3fEryt5skeq2RA9GuChdbXTWnzAWCezHIf_SE4w63vo16VPbBNiwBNX4tOsjlsg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=771.4'>12:51</a>):</p>
<p>So very true. And journalists are continuing to be under attack, which in 2023, moreso for being truthful, but we need them. We need unbiased professional reporting. But you know what? We also need journalists outside of that realm of really holding us accountable of telling our stories and writing history. They're so good at that. Even I read a journalist tribute to Matthew Perry following his death, and it stuck with me. And I thought, wow, we need people who have this gift, who have this talent, who love this job that they do, who to speak these words in a way that not everyone can speak them. And I don't want to lose that. I'm sorry. And thank God for the Hollywood writers fighting for their right to exist with ai. They're not eliminating ai, but they also were able to bring out their role and fight for their rights and get what they wanted. We can coexist with ai, but I don't want AI to take over.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/phPK-0OG3iwWLwbcKZuWiLgwJ94avImYUPKyr4h-mK2647FA0b3J9xYMSV_IMwVcegj-vTxxxZcrEf8E2h0F-I4N6Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=853'>14:13</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. We need to maintain the humanity of it, because if that's lost, what's really, what's the point of our existence? Was it Winston Churchill? Back in World War II. He said, if we don't keep the arts and things alive, then what are we fighting for? So definitely, and we'll put sports writers in there. I’ve got to tell you, sometimes a beautifully written article, like if it's a championship or something, sports writers can make me cry. There is a special romance to sports writing that is often underappreciated.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ItMdfKkAqi_v2OWV2BFlBKjs3Ty7hDBjg98AjhB_GyU5wd3XImO7mFW3rEyJSCrqHx_NHltTjr7FWYgNLv-r3FcDM-c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.92'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Completely agree. Completely agree with you. We are not talking about sports broadcasters though, however, who may up their sideline commentary. Can we not talk about that?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IclMk7Ge2M_S5QBLf9Sy2X5cyvq1P5qEuHu5RRKsXgwVHQWKX5RqVCWhnU8o_84emO4C7Cp6p2e7dVQObvjRzH4PdNE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.9'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. No, we are not talking about that. No. No, we are not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jLBGzl0u54DueJWA9oLMer2J7jU4o5RbaJh8vqer1fEkf4dYhepTBWDfh7hKHV2I_sLo31FCNpFnvnIVpQMib-lNumE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.42'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>We don't talk about Bruno, and we're not talking about sports broadcasters today, but maybe on another day we will address that</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JhIdVtDjwySG7eTiAmSnwERLeyI01kDqST7B8KCeBwRjsRjKkhff2JUH7PTI6I-zziZtX36lfe9srwXtXyQHLjFigoE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=924.61'>15:24</a>):</p>
<p>Issue. Agree? Yes. Yes. Keep it real people. You know what? We're going to find out</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhBB_5fAY0jn0jT6o5e_ddZKLWJCi4XVXYRR9tslZ4ugrz-vBYfa6iqfwyjD7bP2oJsEk-r5K3b1DDi8pfMPm_Gvqbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=932.6'>15:32</a>):</p>
<p>100%.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/32LjOHjX1Jgbz_4c1t1s55BNyXh0y0CC5mDgThaG9LYlUnDdOW4plqgaXQPDtowGyCaVyQYO1qo3kp2NH3JPu8ZgCdw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=934.49'>15:34</a>):</p>
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Karen Swim (00:04):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen, how are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:24):
Doing well, doing well. We're coming on this episode after Thanksgiving, so we hope all of you had a really terrific holiday with your family and friends and got to relax a little bit and are easing your way into the return to the workplace.
 
Karen Swim, APR
Except this year, was it really Thanksgiving or was it just pre-Christmas? Because in my neighborhood, people skipped right to Christmas before Halloween was even over. So I am surrounded by lit up subdivisions and Christmas lights. Not that they set it all up because the weather was nice, which would be smart, but they actually just pulled the trigger some people in as well. The weather was good. They just go ahead and set up all the outside stuff and then turn it on for Thanksgiving. No, no, no, not this year. We have full on Christmas here in Michigan, and that was before Thanksgiving, long before Thanksgiving. So I'm thinking Thanksgiving is, it's really losing its way.
Michelle Kane (01:35):
Yeah, it is. I mean, thankfully we have parades in football to keep us in check, but it is strange because I consider myself a pretty flexible Gen Xer, but there are certain societal cues that I need and some that I miss. So you have to have, the stuffing has to digest before I pull out the red and the green and the yellow and the blue and all that stuff. Back in the day, the Jerry Lewis telethon final tote had to happen before I would set foot back in my school. None of that happens anymore. It's
Karen Swim, APR (02:09):
Anything happens anymore, and I'm feeling like Thanksgiving is, it's going to go the way of Pluto. It's going to get demoted,
Michelle Kane (02:17):
Although
Karen Swim, APR (02:17):
It's going to come to be known not as Thanksgiving, but as carb loading for Black Friday. I don't know.
Michelle Kane (02:24):
Yeah, yeah. Well, yeah, I think everything's faster. I mean, we've seen the online sales early Black Friday, but in a way that's good. I am seeing, I can't give you the list, but it's nice to see that some big box stores are having sanity, sanity has prevailed. They're either not opening on Thanksgiving or they're having relatively, I don't want to say decent, but their hours aren't too wild. But yeah, it's weird days. Weird days. Maybe it speaks to our general anxiety as a society. Let's just get it done.
Karen Swim, APR (03:01):
This could be, was the thought sparked by the great toilet paper raid of 2020? I don't know. Is that where it all started to turn?
Michelle Kane (03:10):
Hey, I don't know. I don't know but that would speak to my inner Girl Scout. Be prepared.
Karen Swim, APR (03:16):
This is true. So why not have Black Friday four weeks ahead of schedule so that the planners and the preppers could make sure that they got everything that they need on sale.
Michelle Kane (03:28):
That's right.
Karen Swim, APR (03:29):
Someone else, before it's all gone.
Michelle Kane (03:31):
I will say if you are still eating your tuna fish from 1999, please don’t.
Well, in the name of prepping, I don't know if this segue is terrible, but there's been some activity. I know this is shocking in the world of AI, artificial intelligence, especially as it touches upon our profession, by the time this hits your podcast queue, not sure where the situation with OpenAI is going to be because it seems to be every day there's something new happening. But recently, the board ousted the chair,]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>There are many challenges faced by DE&amp;I practitioners in today's landscape, including the backlash against DE&amp;I efforts. In this episode, we are joined by an expert in the field of DE&amp;I communications, Bernadette Davis of Bernadette Davis Communications. Listen to hear her valuable insights on how communicators can navigate these challenges, emphasizing the need for inclusivity to be woven into the company's culture.</p>
<p>Stay in touch with Bernadette on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernadetteadamsdavis/'>LinkedIn</a> and at her website, <a href='https://bdaviscomm.com/'>bdaviscomm.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3sTy3pi6izHoxGlLsJ53E8moibynZGl38y5cPhqEaZ2WNWgD1Bm3WLqzE9upMVZYmwHurL5AYhsniJOZozBr5QWMrXk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.73'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and of course Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. But we are most excited - we love when we have guests – today we have a guest!You're in for a treat today. We welcome Bernadette Davis. Bernadette is an accredited public relations professional and founder of Bernadette Davis Communications. She and her team use their depth of expertise in media relations, executive communications, internal employee communications, diversity, equity and inclusion, and corporate editorial to support clients. So that sounds marvelous and we are so happy, Bernadette, that you're with us today. We're lucky.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Mb6kqzUREVupq735PW0EnRR8xVH155KbWQF7cuyfHnL7j3yeyOZkwARqss94Yng5EQoY4Gg2Dq_HmX6rkmDC058qPZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=52.26'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for having me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UeScG9Nn14Qlc5vQRbSmDXZLiL-NIrSpNKJAU0U1XqWsAlyOXcm6_ixHHd3GVyTrrQ0Y7ok4WMh2BrtNrign5ea5B9c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.2'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>No, this is phenomenal. So tell us about your work in DEI communications because it's very important work.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8B3fkEblRc1uhFC7pADEUrDOvQH9gl7Q_nVdYozhSvaqokEh35TrbsZN1nGqFlQy16MNy9zaeISpKvoL93OxG81AjHo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.95'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>Okay, so again, thank you both for having me on. Today I lead a small but mighty team. I started the company though as a solo in 2014 and have transitioned into a boutique agency. And one of our areas of expertise is in DE&amp;I communications. So before I started this agency, the last job that I had, traditional role was at Walt Disney World Resort, which I loved. And I worked on a team, the public affairs team, and we had internal clients. Two of my internal clients at that time were the DE&amp;I team and the supplier diversity team. And while I worked with a lot of clients while I was there, I did learn a lot from those two teams. Little did I realize when I was doing that work as an employee there that 2, 3, 4 years later, I would end up starting an agency and using that expertise to then serve clients.</p>
<p>So that's how that journey started with me, specifically with DE&amp;I communications, bringing that knowledge together with my communications experience. And so my team operates very well as an extension of corporate comms teams because we do have design capabilities, communication strategy, content development. So we can really be almost like their in-house agency as an external partner. And we apply that to DE&amp;I work as well. So for example, when we work with a chief diversity officer or with a communications team that wants some more DE&amp;I experience, we might write for senior level executives who are giving speeches and presentations where they have an inclusive component. We would do design work for them DE&amp;I reports, and even internal and external communication strategy. So how are you talking to your employees about the inclusive work that the company does? And we help to amplify those stories, figure out what are the right stories to, to reach their audiences and even developing that messaging.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nbufp1JMEfMafUDkXKmZsmJRmX2uuKJcA8tGNKxu625xRGYHKaQVU9zxx4sJjRRaIpcT5-OfPQB5cP5N5XbLysDjIQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.2'>03:11</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you so much for that rich explanation because I think for people that may not be involved in DEI and B work that you may underestimate the amount of activities that get poured into helping companies to really have an inclusive culture because that is, that's a full breadth of public relations services dedicated to a very specific part of the company and then weaving that into the overall messaging as well. So that was really helpful. I'm really interested, some of the things that I'm seeing beyond, not with my own clients, but just when talking with people that do this work is that we've seen this year be a little bit tumultuous, a little bit economically challenged, and we're used to seeing things like marketing and PR being cut back. But it seems like some DEI programs are also being cut back or departments are being merged into other pieces of the company, which is disturbing because there's so much work to do. What trends are you seeing in your work with your clients or just in talking with other colleagues that are also in this space?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_s4MJIwwu8zSMkqnLDGEcC_dqXKpzK69iG64xLgUZPha8CUkvGVxGiSB5zf85YsZOoje78UgKDkcV0yN3NPlnJZsd7A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.26'>04:35</a>):</p>
<p>So Karen, I think first of all, it's interesting, A little bit tumultuous. Yes, more than a little bit and more than a year. The trends that I see, and this is coming from other communicators as well as DE&amp;I, practitioners that I know and some that we've worked with. The landscape around DE&amp;I is very challenging right now. And some people really position it as DE&amp;I work, diversity, equity and inclusion work is under attack. And anytime you have a team or content that's under attack in that way, there can be a concern around that. How do we continue to do this work? So you see things like repositioning the work, naming it differently, for instance, adding the concept of belonging or referring to it as belonging work that's been going on for a couple of years, that transition. So you'll see some teams that are DEI and belonging, bringing it back into HR teams if it was ever pulled out of HR, bringing it back into HR, talking about company culture, which I think is really positive because inclusion should be a part of your company culture.</p>
<p>So I think some of these transitions are helpful because inclusion should not sit off to the side of your business. Your people, leaders, financial leaders, your operations leaders, employees at every part of the company should be thinking about their work and how it can be more inclusive. We also see some companies and organizations that are truly becoming concerned enough that they're likely stopping the work or they want to stop talking about the work that they're doing because they don't want to draw fire over that work. So that's concerning. And I think our role as communicators is to work through that with them and to bring to bear what's messaging that does work, what are the questions we can ask that help us find the right story to tell and to explore what the work really is that we're not making assumptions based on external factors and that we are disusing people of those assumptions. So I think as communicators we do have a more integrated role to play rather than just being task takers to help the organization and help leaders think through the work that they're doing, are you really going to stop doing inclusive work? Because to me, I'm always challenged by that idea because companies don't want to include fewer employees. That's not a smart thing to do.</p>
<p>So those are the things that we're seeing,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c-q7TNce4546jcsNQ-kvHu-HAunPlpsTSu6J6b6741_sm8LgNAiReM0h9TfYoDTqwt-_yaR-AzmsOuJobP7me8PHc_E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=443.42'>07:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right, and it just doesn't make sense because it should be at the forefront of how companies cast their vision and develop their values and their culture.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5pf_ANK4gBPMDnod3COmw1nwuQrOL2i_k2Rztw34kWABi8PzjMOPIVaa6hf1s8nCSyE7_VZ7_NvQAqZUA6RFhZdLNE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.83'>07:36</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. It's about taking care of the people in your company, taking care of the people you do business with and your customers. And it's also about reputation, risk and opportunity. So when you think about how people perceive DE&amp;I and DE&amp;I work, there was a PEW research study shared earlier this year that said most workers around 56% say focusing on increasing DE&amp;I at work is mainly a good thing. That's more than half of your audience. So you have to be very cautious about not doing the work, not talking about the work. No one wants to lose half their audience.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CaFfM1IU13AAIJXead_DTxqR58wUBOTz55cJ9y6DGtpn-jzVPZUqyHP7q27fvabq9DSZ_cyrT81y_rDoMQKUuBBUNmI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.68'>08:21</a>):</p>
<p>No, no, they do not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ty74gvtofDUoxueQrU-YSPbbihmOXwfgxYC5MGlOuTXcz_7tQAbaBl4CRU-qa00mDGeKiZs1skhZ3yOr7UhzSfeVJ4M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=504.44'>08:24</a>):</p>
<p>I believe it also, let's just call it out. It is good for your bottom line profitability. Often leaders, the language that they speak are dollars and there are so many studies that support that When you have an organization that is inclusive, it's good for the bottom line, inclusivity gives you varying points of view that are really important and makes your business more robust. It leads to greater innovation. There's just so many benefits to it. I'm not somebody who's in that space. I don't think that I could do that day in and day out. However, I do advocate with my clients that DEI is not something that is something that should be off to the side just like ethics. And I believe the DEI is part of ethics as well and I beat that drum all the time. This is something that needs to be woven into your culture and it needs to be not just something that you do as a checklist.</p>
<p>It really needs to be something that is lived period throughout the entire organization for every single human being that works there, full stop. It's sometimes hard to get people to see that. And it's interesting that you mentioned the backlash because it blows my mind that we live in a culture that is so firmly planted in their factions of life. Everything is for or against. It's like if you like the color blue, then there's a group of people that says that you're wrong. And purple is really the color. We fight about everything. And if you believe in inclusivity, which to me is believing in humanity, then somehow you are woke in the wrong way. And you're right, companies can then receive the backlash for being aware that all human beings are not the same, which is such a sad shame. So what are some tips that you can give to other communicators that are faced with this toxicity in our culture and the pressure on practitioners and trying to figure it out? What are some strategies that you've utilized to keep this at the forefront and to keep momentum going?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sWbs_fTaGIuIFtiiO5XuDMthksG27BLUXAk1UorPK7_XV-8ik9WVrD91sul-3GlAW741xROYtVWn33tMIWF2ultWyTo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.8'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>So one of the key strategies and reminders for communicators and for our clients and for your partners is that, again, DE&amp;I shouldn't be separate from your overall business. So are you communicating about policy changes that affect employees? You need to think through those policy changes and what are the inclusive aspects of those, just the policy itself and then how do you communicate that in a way? Does that policy affect your company's approach to accessibility? For example, you should be thinking about that. So it may be a policy that's done by a completely different part of the organization, not DE&amp;I, but all of your employees are going to be impacted. So how do you think about inclusion when it comes to that? So that's the first thing. It should not be separate from the other parts of the business. And you can ask that question and that's a bottom line question because the rest of your business is operating, are you being inclusive?</p>
<p>I'll give an example of something that was released this week. Deloitte released a study with, I think it's associated with the NYU law school, about the concept of covering when people are working to hide parts of their known identity, parts of their identity that are disfavored or seen or perceived as unfavorable. About 60% of the people that they surveyed say that they do some covering at work. And so when you think about that in terms of DE&amp;I and the company, that's a financial issue because if people aren't comfortable at work and they're in an environment where they feel like they need to cover, I would imagine that that plays into them moving around company to company. And we know there's a cost associated with that every time that you need to deal with that. As a business owner, a corporation, there's a cost associated with that.</p>
<p>But if you address that and create an environment where people do not feel like they have to cover as many people, fewer people feel like they have to cover and there's all kinds of covering. So there's covering mothers covering in the workplace, not talking about their children. If they perceive that to be a challenge, people covering based on their faith, based on their orientation, their LGBTQIA identity. And so that's affecting a lot of people. So that's another reminder that it affects a lot of people. So that's another thing to say to business leaders to keep the momentum going. If we aren't going to do this work, how do we address these very real concerns that our employees have brought up and are mentioning and that we need to ask them about? So another way to keep the momentum going is to look at your employee engagement and what your employees are saying in your surveys and making sure that you're asking questions that get to the heart of whether or not inclusion is an opportunity or what your inclusion opportunities are. There probably isn't an organization on the planet that's perfect from an inclusive standpoint. It's a question of whether or not your organization is making the effort, making progress and staying on top of what the people need, your consumers and the people who work there in order to adjust to meet their needs.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vr3sKNBtKDJWLm5dd1EvY9CMroCTiQ6aV4m_v6rHC8V3BnqrnMV1tLd0cKUjzPYLHXI6OkwRmHeQ9Or33jIqazupHfM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=859.03'>14:19</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. And much like Karen said that leaders speak in dollars, they also speak in metrics. Show me the goods, prove it to me. So what kind of metrics do your clients find most impactful to make sure that they stay on the right track with these initiatives,</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wZZ4fPkxKfglamFKOuB0Wc4Sd-EmHg7_IPHXQ72KnyvpEW_kD6jyqqPmIN-OfE94Ddx5Mbs6ghEXbR04vig0JDklhQ0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=878.83'>14:38</a>):</p>
<p>Those employee engagement scores, the surveys, and sometimes even doing internal focus groups to hear what employees are saying. Those are important metrics. So if you want to get data that's to do, and you can build this into your surveys, most companies do survey the employees, they even survey job candidates, build in the questions to find out what their thoughts are around inclusion. And then there are some other information that you can get from employee resource groups, which tend to be very active and vocal and have the pulse of what employees are thinking, who are members of different dimensions. So what do they have to say, how do they respond? And some companies will go to them directly to ask them to engage on that and then it can be a part of a company's overall reputation strategy. So when you look at reputation, however your company is measuring reputation or keeping tabs on that, how does your work on inclusion affect your reputation? How does it affect those measures?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cka3gxTwy4YUkRwrh40sWgVThNCeSq7eRSp5XXXA39RmJvfSYk8vnKGi-p_KLcMNK9beW8bP761xvxvEjlrsgV7EccQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=947.51'>15:47</a>):</p>
<p>Do you find that companies, we work with some clients that in my agency that deal with neurodivergence and the statistics on that are pretty sad too that employers under count their employees who are neurodivergent because they haven't self-identified for fear of backlash. That's a huge problem because you're handicapping people from really being the best employee because you're not giving them an environment in which to succeed. So do you find that companies pigeonhole, DEI to a specific group or group of people and missed the global picture of what inclusivity really means?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5fQ0RuGwn5cXVBBftRMQ_-mcMrja2XFah8_zsConYuZ4lKxJrYmj92Yr5TQy0JLX6ZQzNltMWKQ7OtqRrG02zrw5YNY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=994.64'>16:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's happening less now. I think one of the challenges there, whether they intend to do this or not, is that certain dimensions of diversity are tracked more easily. And so you mentioned self-identification. It's difficult for them to address challenges if everyone doesn't self-identify and you aren't required to self-identify. So they may not really know what their numbers are. But I do think there's an opportunity here. I like to think about things being designed for the best for everyone. So if you think about this, and this will be a very tactile, I guess example, when you think about restaurants and stores and even apartment buildings being designed, we often don't think, in my opinion about design for mobility challenges until we have that mobility challenge. However, many of the things that you can do to make a location more accessible would in fact be better for everyone.</p>
<p>And you don't know that you need it until you need it. But what if every place that you went into, every workplace, every store, every apartment building, every hotel was accessible Because we tend to do that design. There will be just a few hotel rooms in a hotel building that are accessible rooms,</p>
<p>But what if they were all accessible? And so I think that's the kind of thinking that we need. Even if your numbers don't indicate that you have whatever your percentages, you think threshold of employees who are neurodivergent or who have a mental till illness or any other disability, maybe your numbers are not that high, but if you built an environment where you were accessible to everyone, then when they apply for a job, there it is, it's ready for them. And I do notice different things. We dined at a location this weekend and I noticed it was very accessible. I also noticed that I saw different people there. People go where they have access and so if you design it for everyone, everyone will come. That's how I like to think about it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i1YEfJyhNb4S3w1UtF33Rm0LUwIuPypuQ5GOFPRPwUcH0JaZB45Q8BKwvOnYM-dFiR8Qvq7IMdy5DZik32QUDTRKPTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1142.19'>19:02</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FI7e5m94kM6cL_HN-S816CqwVVgiOVOqnIsl5xBKtYbu5ySFZheVuxkfmH_JXldbEWPStM9DXxa3Svcc-6Dy5nFXIFE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1143.3'>19:03</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6z3R8KUZ5Y03KnkOs3YtZ-M5gnVwedRQ5Pi2OCQQhpPqOCWJO6EX2Spl8oU6i6sOKyAvzQQtOx-XUYy9CAlG_w6VM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1145.07'>19:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0pSwq26CyM4S2gwDie1oU76KQo5oyADxgXVibPaC3dHd-71_9cyBljwJcTQsBKWipMBLPZ1E_eTX4eK8eWJpQRdnhgk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.24'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's such a no brainer too. It's like, well of course we should. My goodness. Why do we keep doing things the hard way? It's just so bizarre to me. So I know we touched on this a little bit as far as the state of DEI, but what do you think is ahead for DEI communications in 2024?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wKFyeoO1ZUoG0sGiAn8eVTb8X5hEXGWIpyshaZItqDu_uYGQ0oYKpdQ5V4m70fk_Kss0ktBuGKF52Q7N7MH6stkurjg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1169.67'>19:29</a>):</p>
<p>I've been looking at that and I've actually been to at least one session talking about DE&amp;I in the current landscape. And I would say the first thing is to stay the course</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c0jAvWuudNntJhXL4RvSmCCD4eTQQTwz0ho3iuMkUvf-mi-2xxR10onp_3-Og43o_PIeqns9Yi90kK4mqoK1Tw8IBsk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1181.43'>19:41</a>):</p>
<p>Good.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/atVWLI6JzO_12WGlbaaUl19udH6AzVS4SqPa2kfStdnmTbA0kLh9ss4vjlpiDxN9q8FpFy4qBc2BQyZFhYdVpulwsTM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1182.12'>19:42</a>):</p>
<p>Turning it on and off like a faucet doesn't make sense and people see that, employees see that job candidates see that even the organizations you work with see that decide that you're going to do the work and do the work for communicators. I think it's an opportunity for us to continue to strengthen our collaboration with DE&amp;I practitioners who are our colleagues and with the organizations that do this work. I think communications professionals have room to grow in terms of learning this work and it really has the opportunity to influence all of your communications content and tactics. So continue to build those relationships so that we can be partners and even advocates for this work. And then I think we are often making the case for things when we are telling a client or a partner, Hey, we really think this is the right strategy and here's why.</p>
<p>Just as we would pull research, look at existing coverage and trending topics when we're talking about other work, do the same for DE&amp;I and bring those statistics to the table just so that whatever the decision makers decide, we can't control for that outcome, but at least we will know that we have presented what's available in terms of the research, the facts, what people's perspectives are. So if a client or an organization that you're working with decides, we see that Gen Z almost 30% identifies as a member of the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A community and another, I think it's 20 to 30% of their generation advocates for their friends and family in that community. So now we're looking at about 60% of the generation that cares about this topic and is very passionate about it. If that's not something your company or organization wants to engage in, that's fine, but do understand what you're talking about for today and for the future.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4VkI9NKDi7c1HwfSVBV-FZnlhNv3OL5760Gzmz4zOYIltoqfDX96jJXKZgSenTRs4axZmgyU4DFuAtlpFGFdeGjJyeU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1309.93'>21:49</a>):</p>
<p>So true. That is so true and so important too. Incredibly important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GtCG85zEzIvcKvnb6I7AZEP6BM_DCbA1MxFz77_tAXFLvJK7Z58pBBF940jmCHOtK0WG7cSRNOmFzoHwJM3Vo57Ru48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1316.74'>21:56</a>):</p>
<p>Completely agree. I know that you are an expert in not only doing the work but reporting on the work. So I want to hear about what you're doing in terms of reporting your efforts and what tips you might have as we all are starting our year in reports and sharing with clients those details.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tiFpj9V-vja5F0-w_YzVgpE-M5fpAHTtL3S4Bs9WmjWz2gsDQ9agT8HspJrD8w5A8O2ym85Je94uGKyVH4fk29EZH6E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1339.21'>22:19</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. This is exactly the time of year where people are either writing their DE&amp;I reports or starting to pull that information together from all of the work they've done in the previous year. We've worked with multiple clients where we work with them either on the strategy and the outline for their report. Sometimes we write the entire report and do the design as well. So we've touched all facets of that process right now. I think it's considering your audiences spending more time thinking about the audiences. A lot of DE&amp;I reports tend to be longer and I don't think I know, we know we see this, that people don't read those longer documents the way they might have in the past. So I think thinking through your audiences and how do you create a report document where you can pull out what you need for audiences and that it's a useful document for your team.</p>
<p>I think that's one of the best pieces of advice that we can provide. Thinking about what part of this is attractive to job candidates, what part of this do we need to share with external stakeholders? What part of this matters to employees? And using that as a guideline for how you develop the report and making it very concise. We look at about 40 different DE&amp;I reports from companies every year for our edification and we pull that a report around the insights and trends that we get from that. And so that's a benchmarking study we've done two years now and share with clients and that really helps us see what's trending with reports and how they're changing. And that can be something very helpful as we do this work and we're able to share that with potential clients and clients and they've all found it very useful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mUX8IaX58hMTd5DGJnh6TLs0XVmdbkdwdKqNJZvNPqDsfbVtvinl04KObjNyetJusme4GuyCeSfpotvKALRJu94iUIg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1448.06'>24:08</a>):</p>
<p>That sounds like an amazing report. Are those insights something that you package up and offer to other colleagues as well or is that something that you're thinking about doing? Because that sounds amazing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t-jOBCMrgeg0JYlyVCTN9R0bTQxOa0uoig8KWzVXs31WlPOpxIoTENPuD7TxHBa9h0NBbR_RHtiR2la3Yl1q7k2JXMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1462.16'>24:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6ntHE-uqg_yQgGpNgAJE0qXPdn9DuVprFixOLJC8l8hC_3Uv0yaFs9a92WuG247Fdc8IyC6rtyQavqFuf7iiuE9va4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1463.21'>24:23</a>):</p>
<p>Every year we do share it out and we are getting ready to do our end of year newsletter, so we'll be sharing it out in that newsletter. And I think I've shared it in the past with solos in the member group, but definitely can do that this year. It's just a great way when you have to do a report like this, whether it's ACSR DE&amp;I report, you know what we're going to do? We're going to go look at five in our industry, five more from another industry so that we have that as benchmarking and we've done a lot of that legwork.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vKpH1dRwSC3uVC1EJuXLICB7TN4oYNRFRAJoUNv9Gwy6JG_6iSjcSjwMUV8x_FAhACIP4avhTtymywjPg_CYeKSZ9tM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1492.31'>24:52</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, that's wonderful. So I know we all want to know where can we find you? How can solos look you up so they can make sure that that might hit their inbox?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-501KG98Xku9cfiYqUyaYkFXeVeRbw8H5Xaowg5_3BswYDLRLHlekLal12PZWdlAgzYxMSem6an5YStjj4o6lJa5NqQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1502.69'>25:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. The best way is our website baviscomm.com. So that's bdaviscomm.com. And I'm very available on LinkedIn and our company page - <a href='https://bdaviscomm.com/'>bdaviscomm.com</a> - is very active there. We have a great team that keeps us in front of people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pgseXoc7ixvtPuUAgZKROsjt9VKXeDSssq4rufWCixUYPm6spXBqjeYxJamgFyGPPb30zDJND1ZKZ7gPvkOgun4uZYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1519.04'>25:19</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. And there was one thing you said at the start of our conversation was that the work that you were doing at Disney prepared you for the work that you do as a solo. And I think that is such a commonality amongst us that we, many of us who are solos didn't really set out to be solos necessarily, but we can all look back and say, oh, I served in this specific role because that prepared me to be able to be a solo, right? I mean that</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AvkEofxdlvOogExPTHWH8Ds_-xqvbd5k6ZuQ_fcEd4kVS6y1jlprlAeI6Fo54Xy09_X2VfkdAT9wKgHTkSR8khuL5jY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1552.46'>25:52</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I started my career as a newspaper reporter, print newspaper. I ended up working on a website that was in support of an ABC affiliate in Orlando in the early two thousands. So web development, I worked PR for an ad agency, I did communications for an HBCU law school. So all of those pieces, and never along that path did I think, oh, this will be helpful when I start my own business. But it all worked out just fine. This is the beginning of our 10th year in operation.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CgtIWbOmgSNE5jYlf0h38hX-plWwCik8N8U5q1QAZsJbUpTtA4kLQbDpMh1jkC2by1QSvsNIey-8ylEpZ5lsX7Aih7o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1586.87'>26:26</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3pA_3tUM9a4_4DaSpel7KLIQTvEizoiLUuxmSvMBpA7hQWLExePgijIxmQafk5MTR3w6LTwPLSEUDSpHemYbPmw2o6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1587.44'>26:27</a>):</p>
<p>Congratulations.</p>
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<p>Bernadette Davis, APR</p>
<p>Yes, thank you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PyhfSNtvEV_AIbiL8_DNRdQwwhEXLLJYey--hPj0n7kjr8Ag9bcM1RCCuveqhr9YpwmPnn_5sLfD3q5XxaZDPwAmd28?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1590.35'>26:30</a>):</p>
<p>And I do want to remind our listeners that we will have Bernadette's information in the show notes and I encourage you to follow her because the content that you share publicly is so phenomenal. You're such a superstar. So for people like you who not only do the work but live it externally because you advocate for inclusion in everything you do, it's not just client work that you do, this is who you are. And I'm always inspired by that and I look to people like yourself to stay abreast of the things that I should know. But I applaud you. I mean, I can't say this enough. I believe that this work is so hard. It can be really hard. It can really drain you, particularly when you are a person of color and you're having to remove your biases and you're having to step into this role of educating people sometimes to the point of frustration. So thank you so much for hanging in there for doing the work and shining the light for the rest of us. I can't say enough good things about you. I'm just super thankful that you came here today and talked to us about this and I'm looking forward to seeing your report. That is just such a fantastic resource and we appreciate you, Bernadette.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bNt9srF7yAjT24dg8Q0XVc2ENMowdQZxDD0AfoKqlvyw0vxlPHIxod1M1GN5Igp4x9WzPZK9qy_7zgJe3Zpz8Qcy1y8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1673.52'>27:53</a>):</p>
<p>We do. We really do.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-iCWXZSk2RkOIGwm6hH3jUsLGHh-T4Jdw2wK3E_XdfqZdZFnjtbxDePcUJjy0OGrHdrwxGM8lTgOJCOgLIdvdaM1uyw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1674.51'>27:54</a>):</p>
<p>It's thank you. I've been a long time member of Solo PR, many people, and it's been so helpful in building my business in the quiet times when it was just me and I didn't know what I was doing. So many things that I do, I'm like, yeah, someone in solo PR said, use this tool. I'm using it. So the feeling is absolutely mutual.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pUPcvwU3j1GXciHlQi9aWHVBpp_EnsvIyn217tXRfq1z9yeVXqqIDhBmFAM7mdhLrXm9MoCFWMbL7pcJLfW9Kykmbh8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1698.18'>28:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, that's wonderful. We are lucky to know you, Bernadette. We are. Thank you so much for spending this time with us today and we hope to do it again soon. To our listeners, again, please connect with Bernadette on LinkedIn if you found this episode of value, and of course you did, come on now. Please do share it around. And if you have any questions or comments, hit us up at solopro.com. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many challenges faced by DE&amp;I practitioners in today's landscape, including the backlash against DE&amp;I efforts. In this episode, we are joined by an expert in the field of DE&amp;I communications, Bernadette Davis of Bernadette Davis Communications. Listen to hear her valuable insights on how communicators can navigate these challenges, emphasizing the need for inclusivity to be woven into the company's culture.</p>
<p>Stay in touch with Bernadette on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/bernadetteadamsdavis/'>LinkedIn</a> and at her website, <a href='https://bdaviscomm.com/'>bdaviscomm.com</a>.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3sTy3pi6izHoxGlLsJ53E8moibynZGl38y5cPhqEaZ2WNWgD1Bm3WLqzE9upMVZYmwHurL5AYhsniJOZozBr5QWMrXk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.73'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and of course Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. But we are most excited - we love when we have guests – today we have a guest!You're in for a treat today. We welcome Bernadette Davis. Bernadette is an accredited public relations professional and founder of Bernadette Davis Communications. She and her team use their depth of expertise in media relations, executive communications, internal employee communications, diversity, equity and inclusion, and corporate editorial to support clients. So that sounds marvelous and we are so happy, Bernadette, that you're with us today. We're lucky.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Mb6kqzUREVupq735PW0EnRR8xVH155KbWQF7cuyfHnL7j3yeyOZkwARqss94Yng5EQoY4Gg2Dq_HmX6rkmDC058qPZ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=52.26'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for having me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UeScG9Nn14Qlc5vQRbSmDXZLiL-NIrSpNKJAU0U1XqWsAlyOXcm6_ixHHd3GVyTrrQ0Y7ok4WMh2BrtNrign5ea5B9c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.2'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>No, this is phenomenal. So tell us about your work in DEI communications because it's very important work.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8B3fkEblRc1uhFC7pADEUrDOvQH9gl7Q_nVdYozhSvaqokEh35TrbsZN1nGqFlQy16MNy9zaeISpKvoL93OxG81AjHo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.95'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>Okay, so again, thank you both for having me on. Today I lead a small but mighty team. I started the company though as a solo in 2014 and have transitioned into a boutique agency. And one of our areas of expertise is in DE&amp;I communications. So before I started this agency, the last job that I had, traditional role was at Walt Disney World Resort, which I loved. And I worked on a team, the public affairs team, and we had internal clients. Two of my internal clients at that time were the DE&amp;I team and the supplier diversity team. And while I worked with a lot of clients while I was there, I did learn a lot from those two teams. Little did I realize when I was doing that work as an employee there that 2, 3, 4 years later, I would end up starting an agency and using that expertise to then serve clients.</p>
<p>So that's how that journey started with me, specifically with DE&amp;I communications, bringing that knowledge together with my communications experience. And so my team operates very well as an extension of corporate comms teams because we do have design capabilities, communication strategy, content development. So we can really be almost like their in-house agency as an external partner. And we apply that to DE&amp;I work as well. So for example, when we work with a chief diversity officer or with a communications team that wants some more DE&amp;I experience, we might write for senior level executives who are giving speeches and presentations where they have an inclusive component. We would do design work for them DE&amp;I reports, and even internal and external communication strategy. So how are you talking to your employees about the inclusive work that the company does? And we help to amplify those stories, figure out what are the right stories to, to reach their audiences and even developing that messaging.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nbufp1JMEfMafUDkXKmZsmJRmX2uuKJcA8tGNKxu625xRGYHKaQVU9zxx4sJjRRaIpcT5-OfPQB5cP5N5XbLysDjIQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=191.2'>03:11</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you so much for that rich explanation because I think for people that may not be involved in DEI and B work that you may underestimate the amount of activities that get poured into helping companies to really have an inclusive culture because that is, that's a full breadth of public relations services dedicated to a very specific part of the company and then weaving that into the overall messaging as well. So that was really helpful. I'm really interested, some of the things that I'm seeing beyond, not with my own clients, but just when talking with people that do this work is that we've seen this year be a little bit tumultuous, a little bit economically challenged, and we're used to seeing things like marketing and PR being cut back. But it seems like some DEI programs are also being cut back or departments are being merged into other pieces of the company, which is disturbing because there's so much work to do. What trends are you seeing in your work with your clients or just in talking with other colleagues that are also in this space?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_s4MJIwwu8zSMkqnLDGEcC_dqXKpzK69iG64xLgUZPha8CUkvGVxGiSB5zf85YsZOoje78UgKDkcV0yN3NPlnJZsd7A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=275.26'>04:35</a>):</p>
<p>So Karen, I think first of all, it's interesting, A little bit tumultuous. Yes, more than a little bit and more than a year. The trends that I see, and this is coming from other communicators as well as DE&amp;I, practitioners that I know and some that we've worked with. The landscape around DE&amp;I is very challenging right now. And some people really position it as DE&amp;I work, diversity, equity and inclusion work is under attack. And anytime you have a team or content that's under attack in that way, there can be a concern around that. How do we continue to do this work? So you see things like repositioning the work, naming it differently, for instance, adding the concept of belonging or referring to it as belonging work that's been going on for a couple of years, that transition. So you'll see some teams that are DEI and belonging, bringing it back into HR teams if it was ever pulled out of HR, bringing it back into HR, talking about company culture, which I think is really positive because inclusion should be a part of your company culture.</p>
<p>So I think some of these transitions are helpful because inclusion should not sit off to the side of your business. Your people, leaders, financial leaders, your operations leaders, employees at every part of the company should be thinking about their work and how it can be more inclusive. We also see some companies and organizations that are truly becoming concerned enough that they're likely stopping the work or they want to stop talking about the work that they're doing because they don't want to draw fire over that work. So that's concerning. And I think our role as communicators is to work through that with them and to bring to bear what's messaging that does work, what are the questions we can ask that help us find the right story to tell and to explore what the work really is that we're not making assumptions based on external factors and that we are disusing people of those assumptions. So I think as communicators we do have a more integrated role to play rather than just being task takers to help the organization and help leaders think through the work that they're doing, are you really going to stop doing inclusive work? Because to me, I'm always challenged by that idea because companies don't want to include fewer employees. That's not a smart thing to do.</p>
<p>So those are the things that we're seeing,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c-q7TNce4546jcsNQ-kvHu-HAunPlpsTSu6J6b6741_sm8LgNAiReM0h9TfYoDTqwt-_yaR-AzmsOuJobP7me8PHc_E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=443.42'>07:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right, and it just doesn't make sense because it should be at the forefront of how companies cast their vision and develop their values and their culture.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5pf_ANK4gBPMDnod3COmw1nwuQrOL2i_k2Rztw34kWABi8PzjMOPIVaa6hf1s8nCSyE7_VZ7_NvQAqZUA6RFhZdLNE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=456.83'>07:36</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. It's about taking care of the people in your company, taking care of the people you do business with and your customers. And it's also about reputation, risk and opportunity. So when you think about how people perceive DE&amp;I and DE&amp;I work, there was a PEW research study shared earlier this year that said most workers around 56% say focusing on increasing DE&amp;I at work is mainly a good thing. That's more than half of your audience. So you have to be very cautious about not doing the work, not talking about the work. No one wants to lose half their audience.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CaFfM1IU13AAIJXead_DTxqR58wUBOTz55cJ9y6DGtpn-jzVPZUqyHP7q27fvabq9DSZ_cyrT81y_rDoMQKUuBBUNmI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=501.68'>08:21</a>):</p>
<p>No, no, they do not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ty74gvtofDUoxueQrU-YSPbbihmOXwfgxYC5MGlOuTXcz_7tQAbaBl4CRU-qa00mDGeKiZs1skhZ3yOr7UhzSfeVJ4M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=504.44'>08:24</a>):</p>
<p>I believe it also, let's just call it out. It is good for your bottom line profitability. Often leaders, the language that they speak are dollars and there are so many studies that support that When you have an organization that is inclusive, it's good for the bottom line, inclusivity gives you varying points of view that are really important and makes your business more robust. It leads to greater innovation. There's just so many benefits to it. I'm not somebody who's in that space. I don't think that I could do that day in and day out. However, I do advocate with my clients that DEI is not something that is something that should be off to the side just like ethics. And I believe the DEI is part of ethics as well and I beat that drum all the time. This is something that needs to be woven into your culture and it needs to be not just something that you do as a checklist.</p>
<p>It really needs to be something that is lived period throughout the entire organization for every single human being that works there, full stop. It's sometimes hard to get people to see that. And it's interesting that you mentioned the backlash because it blows my mind that we live in a culture that is so firmly planted in their factions of life. Everything is for or against. It's like if you like the color blue, then there's a group of people that says that you're wrong. And purple is really the color. We fight about everything. And if you believe in inclusivity, which to me is believing in humanity, then somehow you are woke in the wrong way. And you're right, companies can then receive the backlash for being aware that all human beings are not the same, which is such a sad shame. So what are some tips that you can give to other communicators that are faced with this toxicity in our culture and the pressure on practitioners and trying to figure it out? What are some strategies that you've utilized to keep this at the forefront and to keep momentum going?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sWbs_fTaGIuIFtiiO5XuDMthksG27BLUXAk1UorPK7_XV-8ik9WVrD91sul-3GlAW741xROYtVWn33tMIWF2ultWyTo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=652.8'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>So one of the key strategies and reminders for communicators and for our clients and for your partners is that, again, DE&amp;I shouldn't be separate from your overall business. So are you communicating about policy changes that affect employees? You need to think through those policy changes and what are the inclusive aspects of those, just the policy itself and then how do you communicate that in a way? Does that policy affect your company's approach to accessibility? For example, you should be thinking about that. So it may be a policy that's done by a completely different part of the organization, not DE&amp;I, but all of your employees are going to be impacted. So how do you think about inclusion when it comes to that? So that's the first thing. It should not be separate from the other parts of the business. And you can ask that question and that's a bottom line question because the rest of your business is operating, are you being inclusive?</p>
<p>I'll give an example of something that was released this week. Deloitte released a study with, I think it's associated with the NYU law school, about the concept of covering when people are working to hide parts of their known identity, parts of their identity that are disfavored or seen or perceived as unfavorable. About 60% of the people that they surveyed say that they do some covering at work. And so when you think about that in terms of DE&amp;I and the company, that's a financial issue because if people aren't comfortable at work and they're in an environment where they feel like they need to cover, I would imagine that that plays into them moving around company to company. And we know there's a cost associated with that every time that you need to deal with that. As a business owner, a corporation, there's a cost associated with that.</p>
<p>But if you address that and create an environment where people do not feel like they have to cover as many people, fewer people feel like they have to cover and there's all kinds of covering. So there's covering mothers covering in the workplace, not talking about their children. If they perceive that to be a challenge, people covering based on their faith, based on their orientation, their LGBTQIA identity. And so that's affecting a lot of people. So that's another reminder that it affects a lot of people. So that's another thing to say to business leaders to keep the momentum going. If we aren't going to do this work, how do we address these very real concerns that our employees have brought up and are mentioning and that we need to ask them about? So another way to keep the momentum going is to look at your employee engagement and what your employees are saying in your surveys and making sure that you're asking questions that get to the heart of whether or not inclusion is an opportunity or what your inclusion opportunities are. There probably isn't an organization on the planet that's perfect from an inclusive standpoint. It's a question of whether or not your organization is making the effort, making progress and staying on top of what the people need, your consumers and the people who work there in order to adjust to meet their needs.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vr3sKNBtKDJWLm5dd1EvY9CMroCTiQ6aV4m_v6rHC8V3BnqrnMV1tLd0cKUjzPYLHXI6OkwRmHeQ9Or33jIqazupHfM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=859.03'>14:19</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. And much like Karen said that leaders speak in dollars, they also speak in metrics. Show me the goods, prove it to me. So what kind of metrics do your clients find most impactful to make sure that they stay on the right track with these initiatives,</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wZZ4fPkxKfglamFKOuB0Wc4Sd-EmHg7_IPHXQ72KnyvpEW_kD6jyqqPmIN-OfE94Ddx5Mbs6ghEXbR04vig0JDklhQ0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=878.83'>14:38</a>):</p>
<p>Those employee engagement scores, the surveys, and sometimes even doing internal focus groups to hear what employees are saying. Those are important metrics. So if you want to get data that's to do, and you can build this into your surveys, most companies do survey the employees, they even survey job candidates, build in the questions to find out what their thoughts are around inclusion. And then there are some other information that you can get from employee resource groups, which tend to be very active and vocal and have the pulse of what employees are thinking, who are members of different dimensions. So what do they have to say, how do they respond? And some companies will go to them directly to ask them to engage on that and then it can be a part of a company's overall reputation strategy. So when you look at reputation, however your company is measuring reputation or keeping tabs on that, how does your work on inclusion affect your reputation? How does it affect those measures?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cka3gxTwy4YUkRwrh40sWgVThNCeSq7eRSp5XXXA39RmJvfSYk8vnKGi-p_KLcMNK9beW8bP761xvxvEjlrsgV7EccQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=947.51'>15:47</a>):</p>
<p>Do you find that companies, we work with some clients that in my agency that deal with neurodivergence and the statistics on that are pretty sad too that employers under count their employees who are neurodivergent because they haven't self-identified for fear of backlash. That's a huge problem because you're handicapping people from really being the best employee because you're not giving them an environment in which to succeed. So do you find that companies pigeonhole, DEI to a specific group or group of people and missed the global picture of what inclusivity really means?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5fQ0RuGwn5cXVBBftRMQ_-mcMrja2XFah8_zsConYuZ4lKxJrYmj92Yr5TQy0JLX6ZQzNltMWKQ7OtqRrG02zrw5YNY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=994.64'>16:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's happening less now. I think one of the challenges there, whether they intend to do this or not, is that certain dimensions of diversity are tracked more easily. And so you mentioned self-identification. It's difficult for them to address challenges if everyone doesn't self-identify and you aren't required to self-identify. So they may not really know what their numbers are. But I do think there's an opportunity here. I like to think about things being designed for the best for everyone. So if you think about this, and this will be a very tactile, I guess example, when you think about restaurants and stores and even apartment buildings being designed, we often don't think, in my opinion about design for mobility challenges until we have that mobility challenge. However, many of the things that you can do to make a location more accessible would in fact be better for everyone.</p>
<p>And you don't know that you need it until you need it. But what if every place that you went into, every workplace, every store, every apartment building, every hotel was accessible Because we tend to do that design. There will be just a few hotel rooms in a hotel building that are accessible rooms,</p>
<p>But what if they were all accessible? And so I think that's the kind of thinking that we need. Even if your numbers don't indicate that you have whatever your percentages, you think threshold of employees who are neurodivergent or who have a mental till illness or any other disability, maybe your numbers are not that high, but if you built an environment where you were accessible to everyone, then when they apply for a job, there it is, it's ready for them. And I do notice different things. We dined at a location this weekend and I noticed it was very accessible. I also noticed that I saw different people there. People go where they have access and so if you design it for everyone, everyone will come. That's how I like to think about it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i1YEfJyhNb4S3w1UtF33Rm0LUwIuPypuQ5GOFPRPwUcH0JaZB45Q8BKwvOnYM-dFiR8Qvq7IMdy5DZik32QUDTRKPTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1142.19'>19:02</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FI7e5m94kM6cL_HN-S816CqwVVgiOVOqnIsl5xBKtYbu5ySFZheVuxkfmH_JXldbEWPStM9DXxa3Svcc-6Dy5nFXIFE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1143.3'>19:03</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6z3R8KUZ5Y03KnkOs3YtZ-M5gnVwedRQ5Pi2OCQQhpPqOCWJO6EX2Spl8oU6i6sOKyAvzQQtOx-XUYy9CAlG_w6VM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1145.07'>19:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0pSwq26CyM4S2gwDie1oU76KQo5oyADxgXVibPaC3dHd-71_9cyBljwJcTQsBKWipMBLPZ1E_eTX4eK8eWJpQRdnhgk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.24'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's such a no brainer too. It's like, well of course we should. My goodness. Why do we keep doing things the hard way? It's just so bizarre to me. So I know we touched on this a little bit as far as the state of DEI, but what do you think is ahead for DEI communications in 2024?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wKFyeoO1ZUoG0sGiAn8eVTb8X5hEXGWIpyshaZItqDu_uYGQ0oYKpdQ5V4m70fk_Kss0ktBuGKF52Q7N7MH6stkurjg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1169.67'>19:29</a>):</p>
<p>I've been looking at that and I've actually been to at least one session talking about DE&amp;I in the current landscape. And I would say the first thing is to stay the course</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c0jAvWuudNntJhXL4RvSmCCD4eTQQTwz0ho3iuMkUvf-mi-2xxR10onp_3-Og43o_PIeqns9Yi90kK4mqoK1Tw8IBsk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1181.43'>19:41</a>):</p>
<p>Good.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/atVWLI6JzO_12WGlbaaUl19udH6AzVS4SqPa2kfStdnmTbA0kLh9ss4vjlpiDxN9q8FpFy4qBc2BQyZFhYdVpulwsTM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1182.12'>19:42</a>):</p>
<p>Turning it on and off like a faucet doesn't make sense and people see that, employees see that job candidates see that even the organizations you work with see that decide that you're going to do the work and do the work for communicators. I think it's an opportunity for us to continue to strengthen our collaboration with DE&amp;I practitioners who are our colleagues and with the organizations that do this work. I think communications professionals have room to grow in terms of learning this work and it really has the opportunity to influence all of your communications content and tactics. So continue to build those relationships so that we can be partners and even advocates for this work. And then I think we are often making the case for things when we are telling a client or a partner, Hey, we really think this is the right strategy and here's why.</p>
<p>Just as we would pull research, look at existing coverage and trending topics when we're talking about other work, do the same for DE&amp;I and bring those statistics to the table just so that whatever the decision makers decide, we can't control for that outcome, but at least we will know that we have presented what's available in terms of the research, the facts, what people's perspectives are. So if a client or an organization that you're working with decides, we see that Gen Z almost 30% identifies as a member of the L-G-B-T-Q-I-A community and another, I think it's 20 to 30% of their generation advocates for their friends and family in that community. So now we're looking at about 60% of the generation that cares about this topic and is very passionate about it. If that's not something your company or organization wants to engage in, that's fine, but do understand what you're talking about for today and for the future.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4VkI9NKDi7c1HwfSVBV-FZnlhNv3OL5760Gzmz4zOYIltoqfDX96jJXKZgSenTRs4axZmgyU4DFuAtlpFGFdeGjJyeU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1309.93'>21:49</a>):</p>
<p>So true. That is so true and so important too. Incredibly important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GtCG85zEzIvcKvnb6I7AZEP6BM_DCbA1MxFz77_tAXFLvJK7Z58pBBF940jmCHOtK0WG7cSRNOmFzoHwJM3Vo57Ru48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1316.74'>21:56</a>):</p>
<p>Completely agree. I know that you are an expert in not only doing the work but reporting on the work. So I want to hear about what you're doing in terms of reporting your efforts and what tips you might have as we all are starting our year in reports and sharing with clients those details.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tiFpj9V-vja5F0-w_YzVgpE-M5fpAHTtL3S4Bs9WmjWz2gsDQ9agT8HspJrD8w5A8O2ym85Je94uGKyVH4fk29EZH6E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1339.21'>22:19</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. This is exactly the time of year where people are either writing their DE&amp;I reports or starting to pull that information together from all of the work they've done in the previous year. We've worked with multiple clients where we work with them either on the strategy and the outline for their report. Sometimes we write the entire report and do the design as well. So we've touched all facets of that process right now. I think it's considering your audiences spending more time thinking about the audiences. A lot of DE&amp;I reports tend to be longer and I don't think I know, we know we see this, that people don't read those longer documents the way they might have in the past. So I think thinking through your audiences and how do you create a report document where you can pull out what you need for audiences and that it's a useful document for your team.</p>
<p>I think that's one of the best pieces of advice that we can provide. Thinking about what part of this is attractive to job candidates, what part of this do we need to share with external stakeholders? What part of this matters to employees? And using that as a guideline for how you develop the report and making it very concise. We look at about 40 different DE&amp;I reports from companies every year for our edification and we pull that a report around the insights and trends that we get from that. And so that's a benchmarking study we've done two years now and share with clients and that really helps us see what's trending with reports and how they're changing. And that can be something very helpful as we do this work and we're able to share that with potential clients and clients and they've all found it very useful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mUX8IaX58hMTd5DGJnh6TLs0XVmdbkdwdKqNJZvNPqDsfbVtvinl04KObjNyetJusme4GuyCeSfpotvKALRJu94iUIg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1448.06'>24:08</a>):</p>
<p>That sounds like an amazing report. Are those insights something that you package up and offer to other colleagues as well or is that something that you're thinking about doing? Because that sounds amazing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t-jOBCMrgeg0JYlyVCTN9R0bTQxOa0uoig8KWzVXs31WlPOpxIoTENPuD7TxHBa9h0NBbR_RHtiR2la3Yl1q7k2JXMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1462.16'>24:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6ntHE-uqg_yQgGpNgAJE0qXPdn9DuVprFixOLJC8l8hC_3Uv0yaFs9a92WuG247Fdc8IyC6rtyQavqFuf7iiuE9va4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1463.21'>24:23</a>):</p>
<p>Every year we do share it out and we are getting ready to do our end of year newsletter, so we'll be sharing it out in that newsletter. And I think I've shared it in the past with solos in the member group, but definitely can do that this year. It's just a great way when you have to do a report like this, whether it's ACSR DE&amp;I report, you know what we're going to do? We're going to go look at five in our industry, five more from another industry so that we have that as benchmarking and we've done a lot of that legwork.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vKpH1dRwSC3uVC1EJuXLICB7TN4oYNRFRAJoUNv9Gwy6JG_6iSjcSjwMUV8x_FAhACIP4avhTtymywjPg_CYeKSZ9tM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1492.31'>24:52</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, that's wonderful. So I know we all want to know where can we find you? How can solos look you up so they can make sure that that might hit their inbox?</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-501KG98Xku9cfiYqUyaYkFXeVeRbw8H5Xaowg5_3BswYDLRLHlekLal12PZWdlAgzYxMSem6an5YStjj4o6lJa5NqQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1502.69'>25:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. The best way is our website baviscomm.com. So that's bdaviscomm.com. And I'm very available on LinkedIn and our company page - <a href='https://bdaviscomm.com/'>bdaviscomm.com</a> - is very active there. We have a great team that keeps us in front of people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pgseXoc7ixvtPuUAgZKROsjt9VKXeDSssq4rufWCixUYPm6spXBqjeYxJamgFyGPPb30zDJND1ZKZ7gPvkOgun4uZYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1519.04'>25:19</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. And there was one thing you said at the start of our conversation was that the work that you were doing at Disney prepared you for the work that you do as a solo. And I think that is such a commonality amongst us that we, many of us who are solos didn't really set out to be solos necessarily, but we can all look back and say, oh, I served in this specific role because that prepared me to be able to be a solo, right? I mean that</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AvkEofxdlvOogExPTHWH8Ds_-xqvbd5k6ZuQ_fcEd4kVS6y1jlprlAeI6Fo54Xy09_X2VfkdAT9wKgHTkSR8khuL5jY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1552.46'>25:52</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I started my career as a newspaper reporter, print newspaper. I ended up working on a website that was in support of an ABC affiliate in Orlando in the early two thousands. So web development, I worked PR for an ad agency, I did communications for an HBCU law school. So all of those pieces, and never along that path did I think, oh, this will be helpful when I start my own business. But it all worked out just fine. This is the beginning of our 10th year in operation.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CgtIWbOmgSNE5jYlf0h38hX-plWwCik8N8U5q1QAZsJbUpTtA4kLQbDpMh1jkC2by1QSvsNIey-8ylEpZ5lsX7Aih7o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1586.87'>26:26</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3pA_3tUM9a4_4DaSpel7KLIQTvEizoiLUuxmSvMBpA7hQWLExePgijIxmQafk5MTR3w6LTwPLSEUDSpHemYbPmw2o6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1587.44'>26:27</a>):</p>
<p>Congratulations.</p>
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<p>Bernadette Davis, APR</p>
<p>Yes, thank you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PyhfSNtvEV_AIbiL8_DNRdQwwhEXLLJYey--hPj0n7kjr8Ag9bcM1RCCuveqhr9YpwmPnn_5sLfD3q5XxaZDPwAmd28?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1590.35'>26:30</a>):</p>
<p>And I do want to remind our listeners that we will have Bernadette's information in the show notes and I encourage you to follow her because the content that you share publicly is so phenomenal. You're such a superstar. So for people like you who not only do the work but live it externally because you advocate for inclusion in everything you do, it's not just client work that you do, this is who you are. And I'm always inspired by that and I look to people like yourself to stay abreast of the things that I should know. But I applaud you. I mean, I can't say this enough. I believe that this work is so hard. It can be really hard. It can really drain you, particularly when you are a person of color and you're having to remove your biases and you're having to step into this role of educating people sometimes to the point of frustration. So thank you so much for hanging in there for doing the work and shining the light for the rest of us. I can't say enough good things about you. I'm just super thankful that you came here today and talked to us about this and I'm looking forward to seeing your report. That is just such a fantastic resource and we appreciate you, Bernadette.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bNt9srF7yAjT24dg8Q0XVc2ENMowdQZxDD0AfoKqlvyw0vxlPHIxod1M1GN5Igp4x9WzPZK9qy_7zgJe3Zpz8Qcy1y8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1673.52'>27:53</a>):</p>
<p>We do. We really do.</p>
<p>Bernadette Davis, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-iCWXZSk2RkOIGwm6hH3jUsLGHh-T4Jdw2wK3E_XdfqZdZFnjtbxDePcUJjy0OGrHdrwxGM8lTgOJCOgLIdvdaM1uyw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1674.51'>27:54</a>):</p>
<p>It's thank you. I've been a long time member of Solo PR, many people, and it's been so helpful in building my business in the quiet times when it was just me and I didn't know what I was doing. So many things that I do, I'm like, yeah, someone in solo PR said, use this tool. I'm using it. So the feeling is absolutely mutual.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pUPcvwU3j1GXciHlQi9aWHVBpp_EnsvIyn217tXRfq1z9yeVXqqIDhBmFAM7mdhLrXm9MoCFWMbL7pcJLfW9Kykmbh8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1698.18'>28:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, that's wonderful. We are lucky to know you, Bernadette. We are. Thank you so much for spending this time with us today and we hope to do it again soon. To our listeners, again, please connect with Bernadette on LinkedIn if you found this episode of value, and of course you did, come on now. Please do share it around. And if you have any questions or comments, hit us up at solopro.com. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Stay in touch with Bernadette on LinkedIn and at her website, bdaviscomm.com.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and of course Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. But we are most excited - we love when we have guests – today we have a guest!You're in for a treat today. We welcome Bernadette Davis. Bernadette is an accredited public relations professional and founder of Bernadette Davis Communications. She and her team use their depth of expertise in media relations, executive communications, internal employee communications, diversity, equity and inclusion, and corporate editorial to support clients. So that sounds marvelous and we are so happy, Bernadette, that you're with us today. We're lucky.
Bernadette Davis, APR (00:52):
Thank you for having me.
Michelle Kane (00:55):
No, this is phenomenal. So tell us about your work in DEI communications because it's very important work.
Bernadette Davis, APR (01:01):
Okay, so again, thank you both for having me on. Today I lead a small but mighty team. I started the company though as a solo in 2014 and have transitioned into a boutique agency. And one of our areas of expertise is in DE&amp;I communications. So before I started this agency, the last job that I had, traditional role was at Walt Disney World Resort, which I loved. And I worked on a team, the public affairs team, and we had internal clients. Two of my internal clients at that time were the DE&amp;I team and the supplier diversity team. And while I worked with a lot of clients while I was there, I did learn a lot from those two teams. Little did I realize when I was doing that work as an employee there that 2, 3, 4 years later, I would end up starting an agency and using that expertise to then serve clients.
So that's how that journey started with me, specifically with DE&amp;I communications, bringing that knowledge together with my communications experience. And so my team operates very well as an extension of corporate comms teams because we do have design capabilities, communication strategy, content development. So we can really be almost like their in-house agency as an external partner. And we apply that to DE&amp;I work as well. So for example, when we work with a chief diversity officer or with a communications team that wants some more DE&amp;I experience, we might write for senior level executives who are giving speeches and presentations where they have an inclusive component. We would do design work for them DE&amp;I reports, and even internal and external communication strategy. So how are you talking to your employees about the inclusive work that the company does? And we help to amplify those stories, figure out what are the right stories to, to reach their audiences and even developing that messaging.
Karen Swim, APR (03:11):
Thank you so much for that rich explanation because I think for people that may not be involved in DEI and B work that you may underestimate the amount of activities that get poured into helping companies to really have an inclusive culture because that is, that's a full breadth of public relations services dedicated to a very specific part of the company and then weaving that into the overall messaging as well. So that was really helpful. I'm really interested, some of the things that I'm seeing beyond, not with my own clients, but just when talking with people that do this work is that]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The social media landscape has changed drastically over the course of this year. What does that mean for our clients as we plan for 2024?</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/46iphIAnLj4B-ET2BpfoJ6opcNPACRFfXdGrmChWOtRyx_DLhq9T9yMp5Pd_9huSRFDaRIzyU7c8KDMQhZyRS-MnxRw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.48'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That's Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sP7NNQZhZUIBLvVKA7sYbb7VCQ4rAlB5Jns3i9uascLiiTd1eVAZv0rc7JVlAzq9d1ym9N_APMHT103xuOYGsCzek0c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.81'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I am very chilly, which is why I am wearing my comfy little coat during this broadcast because we're in the thirties here in Michigan, but other than that, good. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e3XHSKlLwZBcm9i-6014a-1L6GUsoFDPIB3qe7HqqWh_XdQMjFRDuxPJ3_-z1JNPyiA6HH35sMEQWqpIhkDSmGJ9pDQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.14'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing well. We are not quite that chilly here in the Philly burbs, but there's that beautiful fall crispness in the air that even though I'm not thrilled about the temperature plunges to come, I will take it. It adds a little snap to or step.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CRL4TNL2YRw7Iojg3r5AgFKDfBqbP_oiU5vfY1oRcNfaLe4W9NgBBBFwa0xTutZCmlQax4vQ4LhH154Tybbw7CVwc1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=56.19'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>We're just going to call this fall crisp with a little bit of rain. That's what we're going to call it. We're going to call it fall crisp because it's still technically fall, and I am determined to enjoy fall until the very last day. I refuse to accept that it's over because it's not technical.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mjNuBjvyP1LyG_iaHxuQrwgz5RcS_KFw5v-C7_k3SicI6zyz6jANNL4Pf5naxfCrvsdnHeOVfVZys1_ct139goxGegs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=78.87'>01:18</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. In fact, I saw a hysterical Instagram reel from Michelle Stafford. She's a soap actress, Nina General Hospital, everyone. But the whole point of the reel was that her young son was very disturbed that we were skipping Thanksgiving. We were hopping right from Halloween to Christmas, and you hear him in the backseat of her car going, “Where's Thanksgiving?” And so they go to Home Goods and they're shopping around and they found fall on a clearance table and the little boy says, “The boss here mustn't do Thanksgiving.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CQTqj_m8M2uLBAC-KNCQACbqqlRnTEJvbyuPctW7qT_DFMtcj1DF-5xw9zuAClD-n0XO2avTVQfN8pVLwWaQY6qahms?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.67'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>That is adorable and so sad. Help the children do not just push you all to the side. Do not push Thanksgiving away. I mean, listen, no matter what you feel about the pilgrims. Let's not rush it to Christmas.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fJjU0Cpyn9G_nGYOsUPa1sHyV66Qs-RHFRKJKsv34BzWVg1PPvuvORop4WT14lnVOQPZs7byJev6CyPjkpoKCAth2XU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135'>02:15</a>):</p>
<p>No, let's let our Thanksgiving meal digest properly. We don't want to get acid reflux as we hurl into the holidays. But she did end up buying some holiday items and she said, “I'm not proud.” And he goes, “I'm not proud either.” So check out Michelle Stafford's Instagram. It's very funny and not that we want to rush things, but speaking of social media and how fun it can be and how it can still be effective today, we're going to go on a little bit about social media planning for 2024. It's been a while since we stopped to sort of take stock and see what's going on out there. Where are our clients' audiences spending their time, what is still worth our time to use it as organizations and corporations? So we're going to talk about that a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DePSBfoDhRDDuWL7YsSLCCDe4ap9gS7PzPmOewa-jj4lg5FAqZ3v5TLNfcEy_x8OK-LsyfkvjvH0V4yGkmVyiB7Mtbo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.7'>03:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, honestly, Michelle, it's amazing to me that in this past 10 months how dramatically the social media landscape has changed, and maybe it's just me, but I feel like the changes have been as rapid as when social media really started to take off many, many years ago. I've not seen this dramatic of a shift in such a short period of time, all driven of course by the social media site formerly known as Twitter. It really just led to a deluge of changes and it's definitely well worth it to take a hard look at strategies and understand audit for your audiences again and make decisions about how you advise your clients or how you as a brand advise your company on what to do in the coming year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iwHBQ2depxl3XfMk-sVCvkZolsn0KzIMiJxes8DPNocrFMyAnoEBmmoJjUspYidBxKFiflM3eBANkCZwWbjq14HRf9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.6'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true, especially with regard to that channel. I know many have full on abandoned it for very good reasons because just of who has the hate speech and the things that have been allowed to take place. I mean, I still do find it a fair resource for journalists that are still hanging in there and trying to, it's for better or for worse, still a place where you might find up-to-date information. With yesterday being election day, it certainly wasn't like the good old days, but I thought, oh, okay, I can still get up to the moment information. But for the rest of it, if I were advising a client, a fresh new client today about using it, I would not, because it's almost like when you take your clients to lunch, do you want to take them to a nice place or a place with questionable actors?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qZpRmR6dyWvNMNHzJDoXYHwThVFbeXpwlri4LjSrHn1g1SgeDRtkh0Bb3Hl15SQYYDr-r5myQDf-qtidiDIcgGXKxU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.69'>05:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's really, I thought in all of the movement and all of the things that have happened on X this year, I was certain at some points that it would be gone by now. I really thought it would be gone or that it would have lost every shred of usefulness. Now, for some people, it really has. The interesting thing to me is that there were some media companies that made a wholesale decision that we refuse to be on this platform and support the ethics and the morals that are coming from the top, from the leadership and the tone and the environment and how it is has just become a bastion of not only hate speech but mis- and disinformation.</p>
<p>But I have found, as you said, that there are still many journalists who continue to use the platform. So for communicators, it is probably worthwhile depending on the reporters that you interact with, to at least keep your eye on your reporters there. It doesn't mean that you have to spend time on the platform. Definitely doesn't mean that you have to buy a blue check mark, none of those things, but as long as you have free access to the platform, there are journalists that very much engage there, which is helpful for our work, for my own clients across the board, many of them use it, but it's more of a broadcast channel. They just broadcast stuff out.</p>
<p>Some of them have, many people have penned posts that have a post, and then it talks about the other places that you can find them, but they just use it as a broadcast channel, not as an interactive channel. I think the other thing though, and Michelle, I'd love to hear your take on this, is that it feels like the tone of all of the channels has changed. So at one point where you had multiple channels for quote unquote business, I feel like there are some channels have become much more personalized. For me, Threads is not really a business channel. I see where it could be, but it really feels more of a take off your blazer, sit down and really connect with people around personal interest and your personal branding. Whereas LinkedIn has risen from the ashes in some ways to become the de facto business channel that all of my clients care about. That's where they're spending their money. Are you seeing the same thing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m4HoZQTKHaTbC8AAKYm-IFeEYGGNa9g7Hk9MqgWsNa5DGq8XY0zWUCgnnzphrOpfjGWTFJlPcYtydOeQp3qk19Uq7O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.37'>07:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And I wonder if that's because Threads feels more like a, or is a derivative of Instagram or it's more aligned with Instagram. Now I have clients who use Instagram of course, being the retail facing the public facing. But even so there's a different vibe and a tone on Instagram. It's always been more casual. It feels unnatural if you're scrolling through your feed of Instagram and something very formal comes in. No, so that makes sense. And it is nice to see LinkedIn swaying away from what felt like a, I don't know, like a stilted Facebook light or something. I was like, no, no, no, I don't come here for this. I come here for business information to get to know colleagues better, of course. But to stay in that professional lane I think is a good thing that that is happening there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9EgXJZo-C_LwhcJiuI4ZAfM_WriFH_ORK_63ebIYLYuamtVA_605cbNjJ5ZVgSid808_3Pu5B3DXhiCInAL5xGEP5kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.17'>08:42</a>):</p>
<p>And algorithmic changes are also impacting the work that we do. So it has become more challenging because even if your audience is there, you're not guaranteed to reach them organically. So I think as we really evaluate how to advise clients in the coming year, we really want to make sure that we have a seat at the table to talk about those paid models as well. What's the budget for paid in the coming year? And make some recommendations about slices of the pie and how that should be allocated to some PR efforts as well. Don't leave yourself out of that paid discussion because there are things that as PR professionals, and I just had this discussion with a client yesterday where we want to use every slice, every piece of the pie, including paid. So we're making recommendations on that budget as well. So don't forget to do that because as you said, Instagram still remains as of today a channel where brands can engage, especially with consumer facing, brands can engage their audiences and get their attention, but you obviously can't be all buttoned up. It has to be visually appealing, you have to share information. So far it seems like people are still using influencers, although there's sort of a shift away from that word and the influencers, and then the Instagram algorithm has changed. It's made it harder to view people and they keep changing. So I mean these all factor into our decisions of where do we tell our clients to spend their time and research? If you're b2b, it's LinkedIn and you can pretty much close your eyes to everything else if you choose to.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nxHHrVdWXSUjVjDs8JTYzRDw6v47bD4xISEJP0eJPFOarcCMEqhLuPlspI9DNbDq-lynzRlxv_0YXwXUEcMzmaNKQms?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.25'>10:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and even from the beginning of using social media for business, I've always advised clients to be discerning, you don't have to be everywhere. Just make sure that way you are, you're doing it as best you can with what you have. And that's different things to different people. And there are some clients where I can just say, again, thinking more of the consumer facing look, if your budget is X and you just have one special you want to put out on Facebook, then fine. We put a fair chunk of money that makes sense behind that and make sure the people that you want to see it, see it. Even though certainly Facebook ad buying has changed so much and it's definitely not as targeted as it used to be. You can still get there. But I think the bottom line too is if you want to be seen, you have to pay you</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yzTUvdAmR2hhrrVA4uANeyYmQ9huGF-0O4QhcbAqgafUaD6q5ejLNGU2dd-dqDu_DiL74sNZDvkSXyLzeY1RomXxdpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=688.74'>11:28</a>):</p>
<p>So true. And so then drives into having those hard conversations with your clients about their ethical considerations as well. Because let's face it, a lot of people left Facebook in droves because there are concerns around privacy, their concerns about the company's ethics, the missile and disinformation, understandable. I am not going to slam anybody for making those decisions. Many people left X for the same exact reason, and Facebook, Instagram and threads are also meta. It's the same company. So again, we're left with view choices. I know that there are many other emerging apps like Blue Sky and Spill,</p>
<p>But again, what's happened is that this is so divided. Our publics, they're not en masse in one place anymore as it was in the past. And then you also as a company have to make these decisions about what really is right for your business. Where are the right places to show up and who do you really want to spend money with? For me, this brings home the point that we, communicators marketers have always said from day one, do not put all of your eggs into a basket that is owned by somebody else. This is why your websites, your email marketing strategies still need to be strong and you need to be driving place people to your home rather than always hosting at somebody else's house basically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3tFc5Icu5uguLrAIx5cUmDlRSNUWzS2FdDW-S2Sz6O-A4uFOpZifQRwMwLbU73jp7fY2EFEMTM8uyOfDxpRBvu8TyE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=791.53'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I say that all the time, and I think even more so these days. Social media is certainly a capable tool for some things, but it's not as much in the forefront as it used to be. I encourage all of us to think about our clients and the way that we're helping them get known and get seen and get their stories told is to just rethink all of that. Because what is the main thing we're trying to do? We're trying to get their stories told. And that could be a literal story or it could be your oil change special of the month. Where can that be seen? And that's not always primarily social media. I think. I mean, I know my clients, a lot of companies do use their email marketing in a robust way, but I think there are also a fair amount of companies out there who are not using it in the way they used to. And I could venture to guess why is it because so many of us when we receive the emails, we're like, ah, delete, delete, delete, delete. But that's okay. I mean, again, I say this all the time to my clients. Your perfect ideal customer has to be ready for you to engage. So you may hit them with a message 20 times and the 21st time is the time that particular person is ready. The beautiful thing is there are so many people out there that you're talking to. It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pVkZNlvrJaTUBfxZ0wkYu2zrtox3gvEqBS6P0WqKh0T9COuHM-7Fy1SsRzw72jfn6LX5nA8WoNKy7aVPMRzPgsCtMy0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=892.16'>14:52</a>):</p>
<p>It's funny that you said that because for me, I'm one of those people who email is, it's just a constant annoyance as it is for everyone in the communication industry. And for many of us who lit our work is integrally tied to email as a communication channel. But I was having a conversation with somebody that I know the other day who was checking their email and he was like, oh, I have eight emails and just in the past, that's your 10 minute volume, right? It's like eight. And he was actually excited about getting an email from a brand that he had bought from and really liked the product and was excited to get the email about the sell. So again, I think you're right, Michelle, that we have to remember to that what we're sick of and what seems so commonplace to us, because it's our job from Inside View, we have to really put ourselves in the shoes of our public and understand maybe they're not overwhelmed with emails because that's not part of their day-to-day job, and they're not getting 22,000 emails in their inbox. Maybe they have five and maybe they're really happy to receive information from brands that they support, that they learn from. And so don't shy away from a toll just because in your mind you're over it, you're sick of it because not everybody is in that same space.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wwwm8YiIbOAceATM0kllKZKWa7DVGepGJaaX4j0IM2Ev_-gpkh5uYVqaO1X21pRzh7nJK1OdwSWRWvepl1HXEox5IOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=989.33'>16:29</a>):</p>
<p>We have to check ourselves and our jaded notions. And also too, I mean, hey, if check read industry blogs and make sure, because every once in a while, say maybe a couple times a year, I check and say, okay, is email still a very good tried and true way? And sure enough, it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZgaY2gG4D9iKAhaZ07TteLf_MSHKRXbIejtgGZXfxlFVsz8RCb8Jx00-fw83h8mJj6UaMVWZpbOg8cXiabPlbm9CvOc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1015.34'>16:55</a>):</p>
<p>I think it's also important for brands to going into 2024 to be realistic not only in where you are on a social media platform, but what your goal is there. Because for so many years in the early days, we talked about community, community engagement, engagement, engagement. It's all about building a community. Can we be really honest? You're not going to build community around your toilet paper. You're just a topic that is really going to draw people that are so passionate about your brand of toilet paper that it's going to form a community. But is it to continue to keep your brand name in front of people as they're making buying decisions? Are there other things that you can expand into as a brand? Are there things that you support? So if you're a toilet paper brand, and can you remind people about prostate screenings? Are there things that are adjacent that you can share information about? I, so I think it's very important to re-look at your strategy, and sometimes PR professionals are not managing the day-to-Day social media, but we can at least educate and collaborate on the content that's going forward to help those teams to think about why are you really here and what are the goals and what are the expectations? Because the strategies really have changed. In my mind, they have, it's not because the tools have changed. And so I think it is important to take a fresh look at it as I'm sure that we're doing every year, but I feel like this year is more important than ever, and keeping in mind that we are entering election year, so that means a lot of noise. It means a lot of mis- and mal- and disinformation. Let's just face it. On top of the studies, there was a Pew study that just showed that people are turning away from the news in droves in that demographic, particularly of 30 to 49 years old. So if your publics factor into that, that's another thing that you need to weigh as a professional. Not that, oh my God, no one's paying attention, so we shouldn't do earned media. But what's the most effective way to leverage earned media to reach an audience that's become quite jaded about anything that comes out of a news organization?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eaQPMZ_rNcvwkN6ojj8iL-V0e33FKcrrQNXF5bcDCeUih1SoNfPOVx7KtLIr-o2iWdeJeUYcd2kgwZEtjrii2F-E6wM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1166.94'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and I love that you bring up the toilet paper idea of prostate cancer screenings. I mean, that really answers just the core. What's going to grab someone that they core or before they can outthink it of, oh, right, my health, how to make my day better, how to make my life better, how can I save money? Those kinds of narratives that really help someone in their day to day I think is a great place to focus on as we move into 2024. How can you be, not a partner, but just a key connection in someone's life, which is not quite the same as like you said at the outside of social. It's like, let's build a community. We thought that might happen, and then we realized what,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m26EsGm6idIM6-S7-dsLO3YO7Zu0ZZbM1R873ocTJ6xjgLVUVqpTYgOfxwIR9NR7EuzeoaCvgmajtVNC72-48m9q4w8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1221.09'>20:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, nobody's rallying it. I got an email today from Hiscock Insurance, shout out to Hiscock, which many of our solos utilize, and there was an article in their newsletter about reducing business expenses. And I clicked right through and I read that entire article. And again, this is somebody that provides insurance, but this was, they're in the business of supporting business owners. And everything in the newsletter was really helpful, but this was a topic that immediately caught my eye because we're all looking for ways to stretch our dollars as business people with everything going up so high. This was so timely, and it's smart. I don't get a ton of emails from them, but it was one that as I'm going through my 1700 emails, I actually did click through. I read this article, I remembered it, and now I'm talking about them on the podcast here. So don't diminish the value of showing up where people live on your, it's your list. No one can take that away from you using the things that you really do own and have a little bit more control of. And then maybe using social media as a way to amplify or to further drive people to your own properties.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9uT4jz0GjL3uTDWc_ANphX4FJd4g8WnXFcpOpG9y2-x00O174HwTSczYZ3Z3lYBcKPKcf2pOLmIWkR9vkvs_5IzOBkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1301.89'>21:41</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I mean, I think that continues to be the name of the game, and I think sometimes we can move away from that. We can drift, but I think honing back on that and really telling what's your story, what do you need people to know and being helpful is still the way to go. So while we hope that we've been of help to you today with this bit of content that we are amplifying through our channels, and we hope that if it is helpful that you amplify it through your channels, please do share this around. We would really, really appreciate that. And if you have any suggestions or feedback, hit us up at solopro.com. And until next time, thank you for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The social media landscape has changed drastically over the course of this year. What does that mean for our clients as we plan for 2024?</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/46iphIAnLj4B-ET2BpfoJ6opcNPACRFfXdGrmChWOtRyx_DLhq9T9yMp5Pd_9huSRFDaRIzyU7c8KDMQhZyRS-MnxRw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.48'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That's Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sP7NNQZhZUIBLvVKA7sYbb7VCQ4rAlB5Jns3i9uascLiiTd1eVAZv0rc7JVlAzq9d1ym9N_APMHT103xuOYGsCzek0c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.81'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I am very chilly, which is why I am wearing my comfy little coat during this broadcast because we're in the thirties here in Michigan, but other than that, good. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e3XHSKlLwZBcm9i-6014a-1L6GUsoFDPIB3qe7HqqWh_XdQMjFRDuxPJ3_-z1JNPyiA6HH35sMEQWqpIhkDSmGJ9pDQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.14'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing well. We are not quite that chilly here in the Philly burbs, but there's that beautiful fall crispness in the air that even though I'm not thrilled about the temperature plunges to come, I will take it. It adds a little snap to or step.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CRL4TNL2YRw7Iojg3r5AgFKDfBqbP_oiU5vfY1oRcNfaLe4W9NgBBBFwa0xTutZCmlQax4vQ4LhH154Tybbw7CVwc1o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=56.19'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>We're just going to call this fall crisp with a little bit of rain. That's what we're going to call it. We're going to call it fall crisp because it's still technically fall, and I am determined to enjoy fall until the very last day. I refuse to accept that it's over because it's not technical.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mjNuBjvyP1LyG_iaHxuQrwgz5RcS_KFw5v-C7_k3SicI6zyz6jANNL4Pf5naxfCrvsdnHeOVfVZys1_ct139goxGegs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=78.87'>01:18</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. In fact, I saw a hysterical Instagram reel from Michelle Stafford. She's a soap actress, Nina General Hospital, everyone. But the whole point of the reel was that her young son was very disturbed that we were skipping Thanksgiving. We were hopping right from Halloween to Christmas, and you hear him in the backseat of her car going, “Where's Thanksgiving?” And so they go to Home Goods and they're shopping around and they found fall on a clearance table and the little boy says, “The boss here mustn't do Thanksgiving.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CQTqj_m8M2uLBAC-KNCQACbqqlRnTEJvbyuPctW7qT_DFMtcj1DF-5xw9zuAClD-n0XO2avTVQfN8pVLwWaQY6qahms?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.67'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>That is adorable and so sad. Help the children do not just push you all to the side. Do not push Thanksgiving away. I mean, listen, no matter what you feel about the pilgrims. Let's not rush it to Christmas.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fJjU0Cpyn9G_nGYOsUPa1sHyV66Qs-RHFRKJKsv34BzWVg1PPvuvORop4WT14lnVOQPZs7byJev6CyPjkpoKCAth2XU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=135'>02:15</a>):</p>
<p>No, let's let our Thanksgiving meal digest properly. We don't want to get acid reflux as we hurl into the holidays. But she did end up buying some holiday items and she said, “I'm not proud.” And he goes, “I'm not proud either.” So check out Michelle Stafford's Instagram. It's very funny and not that we want to rush things, but speaking of social media and how fun it can be and how it can still be effective today, we're going to go on a little bit about social media planning for 2024. It's been a while since we stopped to sort of take stock and see what's going on out there. Where are our clients' audiences spending their time, what is still worth our time to use it as organizations and corporations? So we're going to talk about that a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DePSBfoDhRDDuWL7YsSLCCDe4ap9gS7PzPmOewa-jj4lg5FAqZ3v5TLNfcEy_x8OK-LsyfkvjvH0V4yGkmVyiB7Mtbo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=189.7'>03:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, honestly, Michelle, it's amazing to me that in this past 10 months how dramatically the social media landscape has changed, and maybe it's just me, but I feel like the changes have been as rapid as when social media really started to take off many, many years ago. I've not seen this dramatic of a shift in such a short period of time, all driven of course by the social media site formerly known as Twitter. It really just led to a deluge of changes and it's definitely well worth it to take a hard look at strategies and understand audit for your audiences again and make decisions about how you advise your clients or how you as a brand advise your company on what to do in the coming year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iwHBQ2depxl3XfMk-sVCvkZolsn0KzIMiJxes8DPNocrFMyAnoEBmmoJjUspYidBxKFiflM3eBANkCZwWbjq14HRf9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=247.6'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true, especially with regard to that channel. I know many have full on abandoned it for very good reasons because just of who has the hate speech and the things that have been allowed to take place. I mean, I still do find it a fair resource for journalists that are still hanging in there and trying to, it's for better or for worse, still a place where you might find up-to-date information. With yesterday being election day, it certainly wasn't like the good old days, but I thought, oh, okay, I can still get up to the moment information. But for the rest of it, if I were advising a client, a fresh new client today about using it, I would not, because it's almost like when you take your clients to lunch, do you want to take them to a nice place or a place with questionable actors?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qZpRmR6dyWvNMNHzJDoXYHwThVFbeXpwlri4LjSrHn1g1SgeDRtkh0Bb3Hl15SQYYDr-r5myQDf-qtidiDIcgGXKxU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=301.69'>05:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's really, I thought in all of the movement and all of the things that have happened on X this year, I was certain at some points that it would be gone by now. I really thought it would be gone or that it would have lost every shred of usefulness. Now, for some people, it really has. The interesting thing to me is that there were some media companies that made a wholesale decision that we refuse to be on this platform and support the ethics and the morals that are coming from the top, from the leadership and the tone and the environment and how it is has just become a bastion of not only hate speech but mis- and disinformation.</p>
<p>But I have found, as you said, that there are still many journalists who continue to use the platform. So for communicators, it is probably worthwhile depending on the reporters that you interact with, to at least keep your eye on your reporters there. It doesn't mean that you have to spend time on the platform. Definitely doesn't mean that you have to buy a blue check mark, none of those things, but as long as you have free access to the platform, there are journalists that very much engage there, which is helpful for our work, for my own clients across the board, many of them use it, but it's more of a broadcast channel. They just broadcast stuff out.</p>
<p>Some of them have, many people have penned posts that have a post, and then it talks about the other places that you can find them, but they just use it as a broadcast channel, not as an interactive channel. I think the other thing though, and Michelle, I'd love to hear your take on this, is that it feels like the tone of all of the channels has changed. So at one point where you had multiple channels for quote unquote business, I feel like there are some channels have become much more personalized. For me, Threads is not really a business channel. I see where it could be, but it really feels more of a take off your blazer, sit down and really connect with people around personal interest and your personal branding. Whereas LinkedIn has risen from the ashes in some ways to become the de facto business channel that all of my clients care about. That's where they're spending their money. Are you seeing the same thing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m4HoZQTKHaTbC8AAKYm-IFeEYGGNa9g7Hk9MqgWsNa5DGq8XY0zWUCgnnzphrOpfjGWTFJlPcYtydOeQp3qk19Uq7O0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=463.37'>07:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And I wonder if that's because Threads feels more like a, or is a derivative of Instagram or it's more aligned with Instagram. Now I have clients who use Instagram of course, being the retail facing the public facing. But even so there's a different vibe and a tone on Instagram. It's always been more casual. It feels unnatural if you're scrolling through your feed of Instagram and something very formal comes in. No, so that makes sense. And it is nice to see LinkedIn swaying away from what felt like a, I don't know, like a stilted Facebook light or something. I was like, no, no, no, I don't come here for this. I come here for business information to get to know colleagues better, of course. But to stay in that professional lane I think is a good thing that that is happening there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9EgXJZo-C_LwhcJiuI4ZAfM_WriFH_ORK_63ebIYLYuamtVA_605cbNjJ5ZVgSid808_3Pu5B3DXhiCInAL5xGEP5kE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=522.17'>08:42</a>):</p>
<p>And algorithmic changes are also impacting the work that we do. So it has become more challenging because even if your audience is there, you're not guaranteed to reach them organically. So I think as we really evaluate how to advise clients in the coming year, we really want to make sure that we have a seat at the table to talk about those paid models as well. What's the budget for paid in the coming year? And make some recommendations about slices of the pie and how that should be allocated to some PR efforts as well. Don't leave yourself out of that paid discussion because there are things that as PR professionals, and I just had this discussion with a client yesterday where we want to use every slice, every piece of the pie, including paid. So we're making recommendations on that budget as well. So don't forget to do that because as you said, Instagram still remains as of today a channel where brands can engage, especially with consumer facing, brands can engage their audiences and get their attention, but you obviously can't be all buttoned up. It has to be visually appealing, you have to share information. So far it seems like people are still using influencers, although there's sort of a shift away from that word and the influencers, and then the Instagram algorithm has changed. It's made it harder to view people and they keep changing. So I mean these all factor into our decisions of where do we tell our clients to spend their time and research? If you're b2b, it's LinkedIn and you can pretty much close your eyes to everything else if you choose to.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nxHHrVdWXSUjVjDs8JTYzRDw6v47bD4xISEJP0eJPFOarcCMEqhLuPlspI9DNbDq-lynzRlxv_0YXwXUEcMzmaNKQms?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=635.25'>10:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. I mean, and even from the beginning of using social media for business, I've always advised clients to be discerning, you don't have to be everywhere. Just make sure that way you are, you're doing it as best you can with what you have. And that's different things to different people. And there are some clients where I can just say, again, thinking more of the consumer facing look, if your budget is X and you just have one special you want to put out on Facebook, then fine. We put a fair chunk of money that makes sense behind that and make sure the people that you want to see it, see it. Even though certainly Facebook ad buying has changed so much and it's definitely not as targeted as it used to be. You can still get there. But I think the bottom line too is if you want to be seen, you have to pay you</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yzTUvdAmR2hhrrVA4uANeyYmQ9huGF-0O4QhcbAqgafUaD6q5ejLNGU2dd-dqDu_DiL74sNZDvkSXyLzeY1RomXxdpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=688.74'>11:28</a>):</p>
<p>So true. And so then drives into having those hard conversations with your clients about their ethical considerations as well. Because let's face it, a lot of people left Facebook in droves because there are concerns around privacy, their concerns about the company's ethics, the missile and disinformation, understandable. I am not going to slam anybody for making those decisions. Many people left X for the same exact reason, and Facebook, Instagram and threads are also meta. It's the same company. So again, we're left with view choices. I know that there are many other emerging apps like Blue Sky and Spill,</p>
<p>But again, what's happened is that this is so divided. Our publics, they're not en masse in one place anymore as it was in the past. And then you also as a company have to make these decisions about what really is right for your business. Where are the right places to show up and who do you really want to spend money with? For me, this brings home the point that we, communicators marketers have always said from day one, do not put all of your eggs into a basket that is owned by somebody else. This is why your websites, your email marketing strategies still need to be strong and you need to be driving place people to your home rather than always hosting at somebody else's house basically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3tFc5Icu5uguLrAIx5cUmDlRSNUWzS2FdDW-S2Sz6O-A4uFOpZifQRwMwLbU73jp7fY2EFEMTM8uyOfDxpRBvu8TyE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=791.53'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I say that all the time, and I think even more so these days. Social media is certainly a capable tool for some things, but it's not as much in the forefront as it used to be. I encourage all of us to think about our clients and the way that we're helping them get known and get seen and get their stories told is to just rethink all of that. Because what is the main thing we're trying to do? We're trying to get their stories told. And that could be a literal story or it could be your oil change special of the month. Where can that be seen? And that's not always primarily social media. I think. I mean, I know my clients, a lot of companies do use their email marketing in a robust way, but I think there are also a fair amount of companies out there who are not using it in the way they used to. And I could venture to guess why is it because so many of us when we receive the emails, we're like, ah, delete, delete, delete, delete. But that's okay. I mean, again, I say this all the time to my clients. Your perfect ideal customer has to be ready for you to engage. So you may hit them with a message 20 times and the 21st time is the time that particular person is ready. The beautiful thing is there are so many people out there that you're talking to. It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pVkZNlvrJaTUBfxZ0wkYu2zrtox3gvEqBS6P0WqKh0T9COuHM-7Fy1SsRzw72jfn6LX5nA8WoNKy7aVPMRzPgsCtMy0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=892.16'>14:52</a>):</p>
<p>It's funny that you said that because for me, I'm one of those people who email is, it's just a constant annoyance as it is for everyone in the communication industry. And for many of us who lit our work is integrally tied to email as a communication channel. But I was having a conversation with somebody that I know the other day who was checking their email and he was like, oh, I have eight emails and just in the past, that's your 10 minute volume, right? It's like eight. And he was actually excited about getting an email from a brand that he had bought from and really liked the product and was excited to get the email about the sell. So again, I think you're right, Michelle, that we have to remember to that what we're sick of and what seems so commonplace to us, because it's our job from Inside View, we have to really put ourselves in the shoes of our public and understand maybe they're not overwhelmed with emails because that's not part of their day-to-day job, and they're not getting 22,000 emails in their inbox. Maybe they have five and maybe they're really happy to receive information from brands that they support, that they learn from. And so don't shy away from a toll just because in your mind you're over it, you're sick of it because not everybody is in that same space.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wwwm8YiIbOAceATM0kllKZKWa7DVGepGJaaX4j0IM2Ev_-gpkh5uYVqaO1X21pRzh7nJK1OdwSWRWvepl1HXEox5IOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=989.33'>16:29</a>):</p>
<p>We have to check ourselves and our jaded notions. And also too, I mean, hey, if check read industry blogs and make sure, because every once in a while, say maybe a couple times a year, I check and say, okay, is email still a very good tried and true way? And sure enough, it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZgaY2gG4D9iKAhaZ07TteLf_MSHKRXbIejtgGZXfxlFVsz8RCb8Jx00-fw83h8mJj6UaMVWZpbOg8cXiabPlbm9CvOc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1015.34'>16:55</a>):</p>
<p>I think it's also important for brands to going into 2024 to be realistic not only in where you are on a social media platform, but what your goal is there. Because for so many years in the early days, we talked about community, community engagement, engagement, engagement. It's all about building a community. Can we be really honest? You're not going to build community around your toilet paper. You're just a topic that is really going to draw people that are so passionate about your brand of toilet paper that it's going to form a community. But is it to continue to keep your brand name in front of people as they're making buying decisions? Are there other things that you can expand into as a brand? Are there things that you support? So if you're a toilet paper brand, and can you remind people about prostate screenings? Are there things that are adjacent that you can share information about? I, so I think it's very important to re-look at your strategy, and sometimes PR professionals are not managing the day-to-Day social media, but we can at least educate and collaborate on the content that's going forward to help those teams to think about why are you really here and what are the goals and what are the expectations? Because the strategies really have changed. In my mind, they have, it's not because the tools have changed. And so I think it is important to take a fresh look at it as I'm sure that we're doing every year, but I feel like this year is more important than ever, and keeping in mind that we are entering election year, so that means a lot of noise. It means a lot of mis- and mal- and disinformation. Let's just face it. On top of the studies, there was a Pew study that just showed that people are turning away from the news in droves in that demographic, particularly of 30 to 49 years old. So if your publics factor into that, that's another thing that you need to weigh as a professional. Not that, oh my God, no one's paying attention, so we shouldn't do earned media. But what's the most effective way to leverage earned media to reach an audience that's become quite jaded about anything that comes out of a news organization?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eaQPMZ_rNcvwkN6ojj8iL-V0e33FKcrrQNXF5bcDCeUih1SoNfPOVx7KtLIr-o2iWdeJeUYcd2kgwZEtjrii2F-E6wM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1166.94'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, and I love that you bring up the toilet paper idea of prostate cancer screenings. I mean, that really answers just the core. What's going to grab someone that they core or before they can outthink it of, oh, right, my health, how to make my day better, how to make my life better, how can I save money? Those kinds of narratives that really help someone in their day to day I think is a great place to focus on as we move into 2024. How can you be, not a partner, but just a key connection in someone's life, which is not quite the same as like you said at the outside of social. It's like, let's build a community. We thought that might happen, and then we realized what,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m26EsGm6idIM6-S7-dsLO3YO7Zu0ZZbM1R873ocTJ6xjgLVUVqpTYgOfxwIR9NR7EuzeoaCvgmajtVNC72-48m9q4w8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1221.09'>20:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, nobody's rallying it. I got an email today from Hiscock Insurance, shout out to Hiscock, which many of our solos utilize, and there was an article in their newsletter about reducing business expenses. And I clicked right through and I read that entire article. And again, this is somebody that provides insurance, but this was, they're in the business of supporting business owners. And everything in the newsletter was really helpful, but this was a topic that immediately caught my eye because we're all looking for ways to stretch our dollars as business people with everything going up so high. This was so timely, and it's smart. I don't get a ton of emails from them, but it was one that as I'm going through my 1700 emails, I actually did click through. I read this article, I remembered it, and now I'm talking about them on the podcast here. So don't diminish the value of showing up where people live on your, it's your list. No one can take that away from you using the things that you really do own and have a little bit more control of. And then maybe using social media as a way to amplify or to further drive people to your own properties.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9uT4jz0GjL3uTDWc_ANphX4FJd4g8WnXFcpOpG9y2-x00O174HwTSczYZ3Z3lYBcKPKcf2pOLmIWkR9vkvs_5IzOBkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1301.89'>21:41</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I mean, I think that continues to be the name of the game, and I think sometimes we can move away from that. We can drift, but I think honing back on that and really telling what's your story, what do you need people to know and being helpful is still the way to go. So while we hope that we've been of help to you today with this bit of content that we are amplifying through our channels, and we hope that if it is helpful that you amplify it through your channels, please do share this around. We would really, really appreciate that. And if you have any suggestions or feedback, hit us up at solopro.com. And until next time, thank you for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That's Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:21):
Hey, Michelle. I am very chilly, which is why I am wearing my comfy little coat during this broadcast because we're in the thirties here in Michigan, but other than that, good. How are you doing today?
Michelle Kane (00:37):
I am doing well. We are not quite that chilly here in the Philly burbs, but there's that beautiful fall crispness in the air that even though I'm not thrilled about the temperature plunges to come, I will take it. It adds a little snap to or step.
Karen Swim, APR (00:56):
We're just going to call this fall crisp with a little bit of rain. That's what we're going to call it. We're going to call it fall crisp because it's still technically fall, and I am determined to enjoy fall until the very last day. I refuse to accept that it's over because it's not technical.
Michelle Kane (01:18):
No, no. In fact, I saw a hysterical Instagram reel from Michelle Stafford. She's a soap actress, Nina General Hospital, everyone. But the whole point of the reel was that her young son was very disturbed that we were skipping Thanksgiving. We were hopping right from Halloween to Christmas, and you hear him in the backseat of her car going, “Where's Thanksgiving?” And so they go to Home Goods and they're shopping around and they found fall on a clearance table and the little boy says, “The boss here mustn't do Thanksgiving.”
Karen Swim, APR (01:59):
That is adorable and so sad. Help the children do not just push you all to the side. Do not push Thanksgiving away. I mean, listen, no matter what you feel about the pilgrims. Let's not rush it to Christmas.
Michelle Kane (02:15):
No, let's let our Thanksgiving meal digest properly. We don't want to get acid reflux as we hurl into the holidays. But she did end up buying some holiday items and she said, “I'm not proud.” And he goes, “I'm not proud either.” So check out Michelle Stafford's Instagram. It's very funny and not that we want to rush things, but speaking of social media and how fun it can be and how it can still be effective today, we're going to go on a little bit about social media planning for 2024. It's been a while since we stopped to sort of take stock and see what's going on out there. Where are our clients' audiences spending their time, what is still worth our time to use it as organizations and corporations? So we're going to talk about that a little bit.
Karen Swim, APR (03:09):
Yeah, honestly, Michelle, it's amazing to me that in this past 10 months how dramatically the social media landscape has changed, and maybe it's just me, but I feel like the changes have been as rapid as when social media really started to take off many, many years ago. I've not seen this dramatic of a shift in such a short period of time, all driven of course by the social media site formerly known as Twitter. It really just led to a deluge of changes and it's definitely well worth it to take a hard look at strategies and understand audit for your audiences again and make decisions about how you advise your clients or how you as a brand advise your company on what to do in the coming year.
Michelle Kane (04:07):
Yeah, that's so true, especially with regard to that channel. I know many have full on abandoned it for very good reasons because just of who has the hate speech and the things that have been allowed to take place. I mean, I still do find it a fair resource for journalists that are still hanging in there and trying to, it's for better or for worse, still a place where you might find up-to-date information. ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Don't let good intentions lead to unintended consequences in your PR efforts. In this episode, we discuss a recent well-meaning attempt by a CEO to address negative press that ended up creating more problems for the company. We highlight the dangers of speaking without consulting expert counsel and the need for CEOs to consider the impact of their words on both internal and external audiences.</p>
<p><a href='Carta%E2%80%99s%20CEO%20reaches%20out%20to%20customers%20about%20bad%20press,%20alerting%20them%20to%20bad%20press'>Read the article in TechCrunch: Carta’s CEO reaches out to customers about bad press, alerting them to bad press.</a></p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D-Re-_79H0jrg8p-ODYqOY5SpAmVljGzAdFxuBn68XGai_EmB4Imr0_v7WWGYD7XgRWGEBNRpQJOdfyTyxwEpjPi_EI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us on this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as always, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you on this fabulous Monday?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TqHjHVn7x3VHLmQv3MhnatqFYetNcLXrlCSAetyy7Psbc0tWCVKBe_h4Ql6IHo9yYfQMAOfWyKluELmEyq4GDu1QGq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.16'>00:38</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. In spite of the major temperature drop, it's freezing cold, but it's okay. I'm good. I'm so good having a great moment. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fdTIxIYqRXqO5DSHjjlmJPBAGE2ezHuT9iUxzDBq2nPojljtnoxjX-uoSG5J1PXWMQ1dxxxcU7QwbPx93pOQorNUC_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.05'>00:49</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, thanks. Yeah, the fall crisp is finally arriving. It's a little gloomy today, but that's okay. Our morning was actually brightened up by this <a href='https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/25/cartas-ceo-reaches-out-to-customers-about-bad-press-alerting-them-to-bad-press/'>news from Carta</a>. It was just a little astonishing. I think the theme of today would be CEOs who think they're helping, but they're also not. They're just not. This is why you have us. You might think that we're just fluffy, but we're not. PR pros are essential to your business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yQr34Omv42gXkjmU_dY3YUEzP87atCMclrFnt2YZyjt17UsBA5Aej2wOw6iZHIeJ17efwztR3pfgJa-yFjpCfxgNuxg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.05'>01:22</a>):</p>
<p>There could not have been a better ringing endorsement of why you should hire professionals to do your communications. I mean, I really just want to take this story and make copies of it and send it to every company in America and say, if you wondered why and as you're looking at your 2024 budgets, you're good reason to keep PR people on your team.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/54ONXwMfKKYzD6p2uCCs898QosNJ_TK0yNlc6QYWyCoRIa_C1ZD6iyQw_Ha23-eXAMgsC4RMdThzY0WX0xm7bbhAqjA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.15'>01:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's definitely a case of you may be the most well-meaning person in the world, however,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cYrgFz7Ix4u9xLBdIGwO3oNakObD8fRg-FkA9QnCWOX4q6guETwnYUNLTzI66RdO7q2B9_Oj-ZfxAzjQC0hAW0ncU1U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.76'>02:05</a>):</p>
<p>So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NrTS9k4wNIuAn44XZz0n8oubT5yxQCjutdgvYiiWyFzuDVYRM-s0ziI5AB22qZuUcnkdu4kb-BkcjWTKnL6AEwwuzao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126'>02:06</a>):</p>
<p>Set it up because you flagged this story for us. What's the lowdown of what exactly happened?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qRLFifdGlxFzr1mtZqCSkYTVmpVRwqE6Y7_InqJGcaa6UI14nGChVCqapCTHJWGSKvHHSDdLhHsf31A62VHzz19thPw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.18'>02:12</a>):</p>
<p>So here's what happened. So Carta is a tech company in the Bay Area and the CEO Henry Ward, who seems like a lovely person, by the way, wrote a post about a piece of negative press that no one had seen. So of course no one had seen it. It was going to be a non-thing until he wrote a post about it and then went into great detail into all of their negative press in addition to just coming off really bad. So it's just a highlight of what happens when a CEO takes matters into his own hands. So he published a post of a long post that he had sent out to his employees, and again, keep in mind no one had seen the story, but then when the CEO comes out and puts something out, and his reason for putting this out is to help other CEOs who might be enduring the same thing.</p>
<p>All kinds of attention was created around the story that no one would've seen had he kept his mouth shut. So it went out there and I saw it in Mary Ann's TechCrunch newsletter, and then there was another story, and then it was a roundup, and then here we are on a Monday morning talking about it, not because we want to pile on this poor CEO who got it wrong, but because it's a great opportunity to share again what you really should not do and kind of work through what he was thinking and the many ways it all went bad for him.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Sf6Zdoip4CVFN9SlOMg7VKnfnjNYQfripTmxv8DORZXQ9EXXAQxtISv89sMeLWUFssPC_4QhmYXHhRgxKsdPJMAUH2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.12'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>So step one is when you have the notion of writing a screed like this is to check with your comms team so they can weigh in on whether or not it's a good idea because we understand, I mean, who doesn't want to defend themselves? That's the first urge of, well, no, we didn't because in this litany of things, but as you said, this article that really no one had seen, it's got a whole new life now and now I'm sure most everyone in his realm has seen it, and it's just like that commercial where the liquid spills and you're going go</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HM_9ZXI2p3QsoWqWY9eboJgwRr0sO8Eav4KcvPcZ_Qr7zIpEQ8ypaUVWqqtdaTyCJeREj1ACOB5exNUZcqypIw68nVk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=268.87'>04:28</a>):</p>
<p>Most definitely, and it's interesting. Here's the message that I would send to CEOs. We just had a similar situation in my real life work like this happend. It wasn't sexual abuse allegations or anything like that, but it was a potential crisis situation. Obviously, we were looped in immediately when we knew that this could be a situation. So we did what everybody does. We had a crisis plan around this particular thing. We work through create with the client, helping them to draft a statement that could be sent out to the media in the event that this news did become public, and we asked him to please share this with legal, to share it with the appropriate people so that it got blessed and it was ready to go in advance. The news did get out, a reporter did contact us. We were able to respond immediately. Not with no comment, not with, we can't talk about this, but with the natural statement. It turned out to be a great story. That was exactly how we would've wanted this to play out, and I think with CEOs, this man sounds like he was leading with his heart.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ww2SkTQ3EMSHXse2C7WtInqLDLTGQ0gXyKwGuNQ6ORaNunBP9zR3E_bY9veFcvc5CQI6HRKFiQoXTNJ4lJ7p3FYMCiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.02'>05:41</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, sure.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x-m6gfG0f6wX0KbCBz2qcZz3yYrQQBcrNrKUNnV1CHxTkrqeMXkwUE7OXU6jC1mjOpy3MUkcvOIWVp4u5XXIQOnTdUE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.81'>05:41</a>):</p>
<p>It's a terrible idea in business in general for lots of decisions because you've got to put on your professional hat. You have to think about your audience, and you have to understand that talking to the public is not talking to your best or talking to your family. There's so many ways that this can go wrong and did, and so he spoke from his heart, and it does sound like he's a decent human being, but he picked up a shovel and dug a grave that was deep enough for 20 bodies to fit into it. It just got worse and worse and worse and worse.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E9RQwwQfx39ASHIV0VDMSFqKCzs_opIjj4iPegZ6ZRWiGXNSWgotiSDoCOan8JJKwOOvHsdm5r45oqn9HlM0ONriIiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.01'>06:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. That's not the way to start your week, let alone do at all. And looking at the flip side of this, we're not being disingenuous. I mean, you certainly don't want to hide things, but at the same time, my goodness, you can just reveal information that just really does not need to go public. And even if and when it does, like you say, we need to plan around that, plan for it. Consider all the audiences, all the ways that this will impact you, your company, your people. There's just so much that goes into it Now, he could very well have written this, gotten it all out of his system, and then looped in his team for good counsel and to just talk him through it, because I do understand, I mean, especially in that world, your team can feel like family and you can feel a bit of comfort, and you're just so wrapped up in the world of the day-to-day of your company. So I get it. I get how this could happen just from the other side of this. Yeah, just please involve your communications team members. Just do it. I don't care how much you think you don't need to or how much you think that this line item is a waste of money. We just have these people around telling us where to put dots and dashes. No, it's so much more than that. We're your champions.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l4v2Jhmhhzm85TNAkFDcw-tLioSHVxTyfndVMkmayKjgte7q2ALg6qTm5xlQd3JJ34lcmuWQWbvBvQq0-E1hqBtP4jQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.49'>07:52</a>):</p>
<p>He vomited on his internal people as well. I mean, it really was. It was just like he vomited words all over everybody and he really, I don't know how his internal people reacted, but I would also say that in the same way that attorneys advise, you don't just, yes, we know the facts and we know that when you are in a situation where you're defending yourself, there's that human instinct to want to have your say, but you have to be strategic about it. You have to be smart about it. And as a CEO, I think that there are some things that you share and some things that you don't share, and not because you're lying to people, but there's a way that you frame things and you have to take a step back and not think of yourself and just wanting the information off of your chest, but you also have to protect your people. So in my mind, here's one of the downsides that I see. You brought attention to negative information. You shared that internally and externally, which then you also brought up all of the other negative things when people may not be adding it up as you do, because what happens is that sometimes something bad happens and people forget about it, it goes away, but you just right in front of your team too, reminded them of all of the negative press, and you said that and you apologized for it.</p>
<p>I'm so sorry. I know you didn't sign up for all of this negative press. Why would you paint that picture of pessimism to your team? It was unintentional. I know he was attempting to comfort them and to say, I'm so sorry. I know you didn't sign up for this, but they're not really bearing the weight of this either. You are bearing the weight of it, and now you dropped it at your team members’ feet. Because I've worked for companies where there has been negative press because that's just been the job. That's been the job that we're in. It didn't make me feel differently about the company. What I wanted to hear from them is not a rehashing of negative news, but I wanted to continue to see leadership, and I wanted to continue to see the integrity because what was important to me was being able to trust my leaders and be mentored by them and understand that they truly care for me. That didn't mean rehashing negative scenarios, and so I think he could use some help in that area. It sounds like they may not have internal comms people or any PR people on their team, because I know that professional communicators would've never allowed either of those scenarios to happen internally or externally.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vNrvgYJ6hcGPMbmf5nq13rF7CigOpY_L5LE_x0xtkZ-5RjuJPOnLMKyrIdbpzlcQzsiJuAcCr1Uy4ijJcuFw-yQdFvg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.43'>10:32</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I agree. And doesn't it really point to a bit of a trend in that arena of, well, we don't need PR people like well, well, you do. You really do. I mean, trust us, we're not, I mean, we know our listeners know this, but for those outside of our industry, we're not just making up this job because it's fun to pretend. We realize, and as many of our clients realize, we provide an essential role of looking out for you and your best interests and helping you present yourself in the best way possible to your publics.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nPAb5SY3yS3VUZKnpbiLiME1jGUw3CvWqrGK6yTdaFByK-4ANl7snZwjuCs4J2fQVi1y2M9OcW7rRjosdXFCUFnBPGc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=667.44'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I would say another big mistake that he made, and this is a myth that I believe many, many, many founders carry and many organizations carry in his public post. Essentially, it sounded like he was bashing the media and he painted them all with this broad brush of negativity and made everybody sound like they were an exposé reporter that could not be further from the truth. By and large journalists, and I'm talking real journalists. I'm not saying every Joe America with a blog of their own, that's not necessarily a journalist. Well, some journalists definitely have their own thing. Journalists care about reporting facts. We all have inherent biases, but some of us are trained to understand that we have those biases, and to learn how to communicate with an awareness of that and still be balanced. It was the most horrific statement, and it was really unfair because the one thing that PR people fight for and we all agree on is that we believe in a free press.</p>
<p>We need a free press. He even brought up John and the Theranos reporting and said that after he won this Pulitzer Prize for his work, that it ushered in an era of basically gotcha journalism in the tech world that also could not be further from the truth. What John did was a public service. He reported on a company that had lives at stake. These were people that were relying on laboratory testing for diagnoses. This was an important story. I believe that it won an award because it was great reporting. He took a deep dive. He hung in there. This was not to say gotcha to the tech industry and expose every little dirty secret, but let's be clear, the tech industry has been notoriously horrible culture. I've experienced it myself. I know that many people out there have had personal experiences, and so any reporting that's done that talks about a company culture and things that go wrong, it's not because reporters are trying to win awards or because they're out to get you. They're doing their jobs.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1ChPnBbGvase-AtXr7DlfX-iRRJUkbO_KSgK63CFnWbR_5JAumpnEbWiv3Cka-QanRRiBcujW07Suft_FFkhUcd5H8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=824.32'>13:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're just doing their due diligence, seeking the truth in a way that will benefit all of us. It's just, yeah, I mean, the press over the years has gotten a bad rap, and especially, it's been quite intense as we all know these past several years. And yeah, that's very disheartening, especially when that same company might like the press to pay attention to them for the positive things they do in the future, and how will this impact that? I'm not saying the press is vindictive, they're not, but it's just like, oh, well, I don't know how we're going to be portrayed if we cover you. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xvtL1DGK_iWewbmJPrYmnomjPhy9q5hxv0TUYw6UYswcclpiJOhgwmYfoSpGM6VklgTkOzA04BWOSpDSrk30FpKQk6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=867.16'>14:27</a>):</p>
<p>100% agree. I mean, he really did get that wrong, and by trying to be his own press agent in this letter, he talked about some past allegations of racism, misogynism, and sexual harassment, and there were a couple of executives, I guess, that were fired, and he brought that up again, and he said that our mistake wasn't in firing them, it was in hiring them at all. Again, it doesn't paint your company in a positive light. And I mean, if Henry ever hears this podcast, please understand that we are not saying that you are a terrible person. We are saying that you made a mistake in the way that you handled it, and so in the same way that you found it instructed in your posts because you thought that it would help CEOs, we are hoping that CEOs will listen to this podcast, and companies will listen to this podcast and understand that good intention should not drive your PR or your leadership decisions. That was a huge misstep, and we're only talking about this because it is public. We would never be talking about this had it never been made public.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cEQQNYUE_E5KXAJwQlgGcWAtMvL6CHX_swCQtRawShDyEIXgRzCTWfIfrGEtiIf2Am83hZbyAaAi0pER_V9_os0Ai6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=942.83'>15:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We come at this from purely helpful motives because we want, Hey, we want everyone to do well. And if that was something that you needed to get out of your system, that's great, do it. But it's the old adage of write the letter, don't send it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/arOVd8C8tjBphv1UWF1BP8V8mMZCU8ci0LYiFHMEtghpkMFyaqQAG0RiGLlp5PUWzixO9lDUCT_FNYVHpSv2vb1v_I8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.55'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>I've done that a million times. It's great therapy. Writing for me just helps to get it out there, so I'll do my thing, I'll rant. I'll get it all out, but it'll never see the daylight because it's an exercise for me. And again, it's so important to draw that line, and I don't think that every human being, that's not a skillset that we all possess, and that's okay. It does not make you a less than worthy human being or leader. It just means that there are professionals that can help you see the potholes that you wouldn't even know to look for. And so again, here is who I believe. I think I've said this over and over, to be a really good man who had really good intentions, but in speaking without expert counsel, he really did himself and his company a disservice. And to be honest, I guess one thing is that I didn't really think I had heard of Carta. Maybe I heard of them, but wasn't real aware of them, but I probably won't forget their name again. So good job in amplifying your brand name.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7QgBMHLiIWngfbHndz7QvIcnvO5t6LXBniNdlRnjCv7i0vDugXoGBH08cwtSlRtNi91wx5xIixtR8kOHOBchYmF8x8I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1035.65'>17:15</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh. Well, we know now, and we hope you found value in this time together today. CEOs, hang in there, give us all a call. Make sure you have a comms pro at the ready, because honestly, it will do you a world of good. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don't let good intentions lead to unintended consequences in your PR efforts. In this episode, we discuss a recent well-meaning attempt by a CEO to address negative press that ended up creating more problems for the company. We highlight the dangers of speaking without consulting expert counsel and the need for CEOs to consider the impact of their words on both internal and external audiences.</p>
<p><a href='Carta%E2%80%99s%20CEO%20reaches%20out%20to%20customers%20about%20bad%20press,%20alerting%20them%20to%20bad%20press'>Read the article in TechCrunch: Carta’s CEO reaches out to customers about bad press, alerting them to bad press.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D-Re-_79H0jrg8p-ODYqOY5SpAmVljGzAdFxuBn68XGai_EmB4Imr0_v7WWGYD7XgRWGEBNRpQJOdfyTyxwEpjPi_EI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us on this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as always, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you on this fabulous Monday?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TqHjHVn7x3VHLmQv3MhnatqFYetNcLXrlCSAetyy7Psbc0tWCVKBe_h4Ql6IHo9yYfQMAOfWyKluELmEyq4GDu1QGq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.16'>00:38</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. In spite of the major temperature drop, it's freezing cold, but it's okay. I'm good. I'm so good having a great moment. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fdTIxIYqRXqO5DSHjjlmJPBAGE2ezHuT9iUxzDBq2nPojljtnoxjX-uoSG5J1PXWMQ1dxxxcU7QwbPx93pOQorNUC_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.05'>00:49</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, thanks. Yeah, the fall crisp is finally arriving. It's a little gloomy today, but that's okay. Our morning was actually brightened up by this <a href='https://techcrunch.com/2023/10/25/cartas-ceo-reaches-out-to-customers-about-bad-press-alerting-them-to-bad-press/'>news from Carta</a>. It was just a little astonishing. I think the theme of today would be CEOs who think they're helping, but they're also not. They're just not. This is why you have us. You might think that we're just fluffy, but we're not. PR pros are essential to your business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yQr34Omv42gXkjmU_dY3YUEzP87atCMclrFnt2YZyjt17UsBA5Aej2wOw6iZHIeJ17efwztR3pfgJa-yFjpCfxgNuxg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.05'>01:22</a>):</p>
<p>There could not have been a better ringing endorsement of why you should hire professionals to do your communications. I mean, I really just want to take this story and make copies of it and send it to every company in America and say, if you wondered why and as you're looking at your 2024 budgets, you're good reason to keep PR people on your team.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/54ONXwMfKKYzD6p2uCCs898QosNJ_TK0yNlc6QYWyCoRIa_C1ZD6iyQw_Ha23-eXAMgsC4RMdThzY0WX0xm7bbhAqjA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=114.15'>01:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's definitely a case of you may be the most well-meaning person in the world, however,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cYrgFz7Ix4u9xLBdIGwO3oNakObD8fRg-FkA9QnCWOX4q6guETwnYUNLTzI66RdO7q2B9_Oj-ZfxAzjQC0hAW0ncU1U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.76'>02:05</a>):</p>
<p>So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NrTS9k4wNIuAn44XZz0n8oubT5yxQCjutdgvYiiWyFzuDVYRM-s0ziI5AB22qZuUcnkdu4kb-BkcjWTKnL6AEwwuzao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=126'>02:06</a>):</p>
<p>Set it up because you flagged this story for us. What's the lowdown of what exactly happened?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qRLFifdGlxFzr1mtZqCSkYTVmpVRwqE6Y7_InqJGcaa6UI14nGChVCqapCTHJWGSKvHHSDdLhHsf31A62VHzz19thPw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=132.18'>02:12</a>):</p>
<p>So here's what happened. So Carta is a tech company in the Bay Area and the CEO Henry Ward, who seems like a lovely person, by the way, wrote a post about a piece of negative press that no one had seen. So of course no one had seen it. It was going to be a non-thing until he wrote a post about it and then went into great detail into all of their negative press in addition to just coming off really bad. So it's just a highlight of what happens when a CEO takes matters into his own hands. So he published a post of a long post that he had sent out to his employees, and again, keep in mind no one had seen the story, but then when the CEO comes out and puts something out, and his reason for putting this out is to help other CEOs who might be enduring the same thing.</p>
<p>All kinds of attention was created around the story that no one would've seen had he kept his mouth shut. So it went out there and I saw it in Mary Ann's TechCrunch newsletter, and then there was another story, and then it was a roundup, and then here we are on a Monday morning talking about it, not because we want to pile on this poor CEO who got it wrong, but because it's a great opportunity to share again what you really should not do and kind of work through what he was thinking and the many ways it all went bad for him.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Sf6Zdoip4CVFN9SlOMg7VKnfnjNYQfripTmxv8DORZXQ9EXXAQxtISv89sMeLWUFssPC_4QhmYXHhRgxKsdPJMAUH2o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=226.12'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>So step one is when you have the notion of writing a screed like this is to check with your comms team so they can weigh in on whether or not it's a good idea because we understand, I mean, who doesn't want to defend themselves? That's the first urge of, well, no, we didn't because in this litany of things, but as you said, this article that really no one had seen, it's got a whole new life now and now I'm sure most everyone in his realm has seen it, and it's just like that commercial where the liquid spills and you're going go</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HM_9ZXI2p3QsoWqWY9eboJgwRr0sO8Eav4KcvPcZ_Qr7zIpEQ8ypaUVWqqtdaTyCJeREj1ACOB5exNUZcqypIw68nVk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=268.87'>04:28</a>):</p>
<p>Most definitely, and it's interesting. Here's the message that I would send to CEOs. We just had a similar situation in my real life work like this happend. It wasn't sexual abuse allegations or anything like that, but it was a potential crisis situation. Obviously, we were looped in immediately when we knew that this could be a situation. So we did what everybody does. We had a crisis plan around this particular thing. We work through create with the client, helping them to draft a statement that could be sent out to the media in the event that this news did become public, and we asked him to please share this with legal, to share it with the appropriate people so that it got blessed and it was ready to go in advance. The news did get out, a reporter did contact us. We were able to respond immediately. Not with no comment, not with, we can't talk about this, but with the natural statement. It turned out to be a great story. That was exactly how we would've wanted this to play out, and I think with CEOs, this man sounds like he was leading with his heart.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ww2SkTQ3EMSHXse2C7WtInqLDLTGQ0gXyKwGuNQ6ORaNunBP9zR3E_bY9veFcvc5CQI6HRKFiQoXTNJ4lJ7p3FYMCiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.02'>05:41</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, sure.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x-m6gfG0f6wX0KbCBz2qcZz3yYrQQBcrNrKUNnV1CHxTkrqeMXkwUE7OXU6jC1mjOpy3MUkcvOIWVp4u5XXIQOnTdUE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=341.81'>05:41</a>):</p>
<p>It's a terrible idea in business in general for lots of decisions because you've got to put on your professional hat. You have to think about your audience, and you have to understand that talking to the public is not talking to your best or talking to your family. There's so many ways that this can go wrong and did, and so he spoke from his heart, and it does sound like he's a decent human being, but he picked up a shovel and dug a grave that was deep enough for 20 bodies to fit into it. It just got worse and worse and worse and worse.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E9RQwwQfx39ASHIV0VDMSFqKCzs_opIjj4iPegZ6ZRWiGXNSWgotiSDoCOan8JJKwOOvHsdm5r45oqn9HlM0ONriIiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=379.01'>06:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. That's not the way to start your week, let alone do at all. And looking at the flip side of this, we're not being disingenuous. I mean, you certainly don't want to hide things, but at the same time, my goodness, you can just reveal information that just really does not need to go public. And even if and when it does, like you say, we need to plan around that, plan for it. Consider all the audiences, all the ways that this will impact you, your company, your people. There's just so much that goes into it Now, he could very well have written this, gotten it all out of his system, and then looped in his team for good counsel and to just talk him through it, because I do understand, I mean, especially in that world, your team can feel like family and you can feel a bit of comfort, and you're just so wrapped up in the world of the day-to-day of your company. So I get it. I get how this could happen just from the other side of this. Yeah, just please involve your communications team members. Just do it. I don't care how much you think you don't need to or how much you think that this line item is a waste of money. We just have these people around telling us where to put dots and dashes. No, it's so much more than that. We're your champions.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l4v2Jhmhhzm85TNAkFDcw-tLioSHVxTyfndVMkmayKjgte7q2ALg6qTm5xlQd3JJ34lcmuWQWbvBvQq0-E1hqBtP4jQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=472.49'>07:52</a>):</p>
<p>He vomited on his internal people as well. I mean, it really was. It was just like he vomited words all over everybody and he really, I don't know how his internal people reacted, but I would also say that in the same way that attorneys advise, you don't just, yes, we know the facts and we know that when you are in a situation where you're defending yourself, there's that human instinct to want to have your say, but you have to be strategic about it. You have to be smart about it. And as a CEO, I think that there are some things that you share and some things that you don't share, and not because you're lying to people, but there's a way that you frame things and you have to take a step back and not think of yourself and just wanting the information off of your chest, but you also have to protect your people. So in my mind, here's one of the downsides that I see. You brought attention to negative information. You shared that internally and externally, which then you also brought up all of the other negative things when people may not be adding it up as you do, because what happens is that sometimes something bad happens and people forget about it, it goes away, but you just right in front of your team too, reminded them of all of the negative press, and you said that and you apologized for it.</p>
<p>I'm so sorry. I know you didn't sign up for all of this negative press. Why would you paint that picture of pessimism to your team? It was unintentional. I know he was attempting to comfort them and to say, I'm so sorry. I know you didn't sign up for this, but they're not really bearing the weight of this either. You are bearing the weight of it, and now you dropped it at your team members’ feet. Because I've worked for companies where there has been negative press because that's just been the job. That's been the job that we're in. It didn't make me feel differently about the company. What I wanted to hear from them is not a rehashing of negative news, but I wanted to continue to see leadership, and I wanted to continue to see the integrity because what was important to me was being able to trust my leaders and be mentored by them and understand that they truly care for me. That didn't mean rehashing negative scenarios, and so I think he could use some help in that area. It sounds like they may not have internal comms people or any PR people on their team, because I know that professional communicators would've never allowed either of those scenarios to happen internally or externally.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vNrvgYJ6hcGPMbmf5nq13rF7CigOpY_L5LE_x0xtkZ-5RjuJPOnLMKyrIdbpzlcQzsiJuAcCr1Uy4ijJcuFw-yQdFvg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.43'>10:32</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I agree. And doesn't it really point to a bit of a trend in that arena of, well, we don't need PR people like well, well, you do. You really do. I mean, trust us, we're not, I mean, we know our listeners know this, but for those outside of our industry, we're not just making up this job because it's fun to pretend. We realize, and as many of our clients realize, we provide an essential role of looking out for you and your best interests and helping you present yourself in the best way possible to your publics.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nPAb5SY3yS3VUZKnpbiLiME1jGUw3CvWqrGK6yTdaFByK-4ANl7snZwjuCs4J2fQVi1y2M9OcW7rRjosdXFCUFnBPGc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=667.44'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I would say another big mistake that he made, and this is a myth that I believe many, many, many founders carry and many organizations carry in his public post. Essentially, it sounded like he was bashing the media and he painted them all with this broad brush of negativity and made everybody sound like they were an exposé reporter that could not be further from the truth. By and large journalists, and I'm talking real journalists. I'm not saying every Joe America with a blog of their own, that's not necessarily a journalist. Well, some journalists definitely have their own thing. Journalists care about reporting facts. We all have inherent biases, but some of us are trained to understand that we have those biases, and to learn how to communicate with an awareness of that and still be balanced. It was the most horrific statement, and it was really unfair because the one thing that PR people fight for and we all agree on is that we believe in a free press.</p>
<p>We need a free press. He even brought up John and the Theranos reporting and said that after he won this Pulitzer Prize for his work, that it ushered in an era of basically gotcha journalism in the tech world that also could not be further from the truth. What John did was a public service. He reported on a company that had lives at stake. These were people that were relying on laboratory testing for diagnoses. This was an important story. I believe that it won an award because it was great reporting. He took a deep dive. He hung in there. This was not to say gotcha to the tech industry and expose every little dirty secret, but let's be clear, the tech industry has been notoriously horrible culture. I've experienced it myself. I know that many people out there have had personal experiences, and so any reporting that's done that talks about a company culture and things that go wrong, it's not because reporters are trying to win awards or because they're out to get you. They're doing their jobs.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1ChPnBbGvase-AtXr7DlfX-iRRJUkbO_KSgK63CFnWbR_5JAumpnEbWiv3Cka-QanRRiBcujW07Suft_FFkhUcd5H8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=824.32'>13:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Yeah. They're just doing their due diligence, seeking the truth in a way that will benefit all of us. It's just, yeah, I mean, the press over the years has gotten a bad rap, and especially, it's been quite intense as we all know these past several years. And yeah, that's very disheartening, especially when that same company might like the press to pay attention to them for the positive things they do in the future, and how will this impact that? I'm not saying the press is vindictive, they're not, but it's just like, oh, well, I don't know how we're going to be portrayed if we cover you. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xvtL1DGK_iWewbmJPrYmnomjPhy9q5hxv0TUYw6UYswcclpiJOhgwmYfoSpGM6VklgTkOzA04BWOSpDSrk30FpKQk6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=867.16'>14:27</a>):</p>
<p>100% agree. I mean, he really did get that wrong, and by trying to be his own press agent in this letter, he talked about some past allegations of racism, misogynism, and sexual harassment, and there were a couple of executives, I guess, that were fired, and he brought that up again, and he said that our mistake wasn't in firing them, it was in hiring them at all. Again, it doesn't paint your company in a positive light. And I mean, if Henry ever hears this podcast, please understand that we are not saying that you are a terrible person. We are saying that you made a mistake in the way that you handled it, and so in the same way that you found it instructed in your posts because you thought that it would help CEOs, we are hoping that CEOs will listen to this podcast, and companies will listen to this podcast and understand that good intention should not drive your PR or your leadership decisions. That was a huge misstep, and we're only talking about this because it is public. We would never be talking about this had it never been made public.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cEQQNYUE_E5KXAJwQlgGcWAtMvL6CHX_swCQtRawShDyEIXgRzCTWfIfrGEtiIf2Am83hZbyAaAi0pER_V9_os0Ai6A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=942.83'>15:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. We come at this from purely helpful motives because we want, Hey, we want everyone to do well. And if that was something that you needed to get out of your system, that's great, do it. But it's the old adage of write the letter, don't send it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/arOVd8C8tjBphv1UWF1BP8V8mMZCU8ci0LYiFHMEtghpkMFyaqQAG0RiGLlp5PUWzixO9lDUCT_FNYVHpSv2vb1v_I8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.55'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>I've done that a million times. It's great therapy. Writing for me just helps to get it out there, so I'll do my thing, I'll rant. I'll get it all out, but it'll never see the daylight because it's an exercise for me. And again, it's so important to draw that line, and I don't think that every human being, that's not a skillset that we all possess, and that's okay. It does not make you a less than worthy human being or leader. It just means that there are professionals that can help you see the potholes that you wouldn't even know to look for. And so again, here is who I believe. I think I've said this over and over, to be a really good man who had really good intentions, but in speaking without expert counsel, he really did himself and his company a disservice. And to be honest, I guess one thing is that I didn't really think I had heard of Carta. Maybe I heard of them, but wasn't real aware of them, but I probably won't forget their name again. So good job in amplifying your brand name.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7QgBMHLiIWngfbHndz7QvIcnvO5t6LXBniNdlRnjCv7i0vDugXoGBH08cwtSlRtNi91wx5xIixtR8kOHOBchYmF8x8I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1035.65'>17:15</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh. Well, we know now, and we hope you found value in this time together today. CEOs, hang in there, give us all a call. Make sure you have a comms pro at the ready, because honestly, it will do you a world of good. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Don't let good intentions lead to unintended consequences in your PR efforts. In this episode, we discuss a recent well-meaning attempt by a CEO to address negative press that ended up creating more problems for the company. We highlight the dangers of speaking without consulting expert counsel and the need for CEOs to consider the impact of their words on both internal and external audiences.
Read the article in TechCrunch: Carta’s CEO reaches out to customers about bad press, alerting them to bad press.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us on this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and as always, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you on this fabulous Monday?
Karen Swim, APR (00:38):
Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. In spite of the major temperature drop, it's freezing cold, but it's okay. I'm good. I'm so good having a great moment. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:49):
I'm well, thanks. Yeah, the fall crisp is finally arriving. It's a little gloomy today, but that's okay. Our morning was actually brightened up by this news from Carta. It was just a little astonishing. I think the theme of today would be CEOs who think they're helping, but they're also not. They're just not. This is why you have us. You might think that we're just fluffy, but we're not. PR pros are essential to your business.
Karen Swim, APR (01:22):
There could not have been a better ringing endorsement of why you should hire professionals to do your communications. I mean, I really just want to take this story and make copies of it and send it to every company in America and say, if you wondered why and as you're looking at your 2024 budgets, you're good reason to keep PR people on your team.
Michelle Kane (01:54):
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It's definitely a case of you may be the most well-meaning person in the world, however,
Karen Swim, APR (02:05):
So
Michelle Kane (02:06):
Set it up because you flagged this story for us. What's the lowdown of what exactly happened?
Karen Swim, APR (02:12):
So here's what happened. So Carta is a tech company in the Bay Area and the CEO Henry Ward, who seems like a lovely person, by the way, wrote a post about a piece of negative press that no one had seen. So of course no one had seen it. It was going to be a non-thing until he wrote a post about it and then went into great detail into all of their negative press in addition to just coming off really bad. So it's just a highlight of what happens when a CEO takes matters into his own hands. So he published a post of a long post that he had sent out to his employees, and again, keep in mind no one had seen the story, but then when the CEO comes out and puts something out, and his reason for putting this out is to help other CEOs who might be enduring the same thing.
All kinds of attention was created around the story that no one would've seen had he kept his mouth shut. So it went out there and I saw it in Mary Ann's TechCrunch newsletter, and then there was another story, and then it was a roundup, and then here we are on a Monday morning talking about it, not because we want to pile on this poor CEO who got it wrong, but because it's a great opportunity to share again what you really should not do and kind of work through what he was thinking and the many ways it all went bad for him.
Michelle Kane (03:46):
So step one is when you have the notion of writing a screed like this is to check with your comms team so they can weigh in on whether or not it's a good idea because we understand, I mean, who doesn't want to defend themselves? That's the first urge of, well, no, we didn't because in this litany of things, but as you said, this article that really no one had seen, it's got a whole new life now and now I'm sure most everyone in his realm has seen it, and it's just like that commercial where the liqui]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Atrocities against innocents in the Middle East. Another mass shooting in the U.S. Every day, something new to absorb and process. Now more than ever, PR pros need to lead the way in communicating clearly in all of this uncertainty.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/hope-and-the-hard-things/'>Read Hope and the Hard Things on the Solo PR Pro blog.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TbADheKlXy3ehH1oJvVCE871L6YD3Fu4glENlPiOQZwShCM58W9huLLDTFqpQvzw-62y_BVHwI06hnjMdX51wQdXL3k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.64'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c_qw1sMKY0dIlpMbFWvF06jhZ9361AMuIXirWHGcfeeHXv1W7HwVLlnn3xUkqwL65FfwOBZoImK-5lyvH8WQNqNLDz0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.03'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, apparently Michelle, I'm doing better than you. You are soldiering through in spite of a major allergy attack here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/z_dyXaty_spYmtE_xXUVdw1gwI9LNK8n-RjTanVSnJ1qX5-Z0FBVcrQ36xVXf361KIoLecYBdydv0RpGsNILrASW4sA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.06'>00:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yay. This is what I get for peopling. Yeah, it happens. It happens. You get around the wrong things. That just anger your sinuses. And here we are. So it's supremely annoying, but I'll put it up against, there are unfortunately real problems in the world, so I'll soldier on. There's no joy in Mudville. Our Phillies are out of it, but I thank them for a wonderful ride and go, Rangers.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Y_jdvjxE7QrmpxQosLySnvwcX4s7UFEQyJBsuLSUzdZ_TC6mYKyksvSlPDW9YwTHNjyF986k7GERMf7jVFa3p54xOJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.17'>01:16</a>):                                                 </p>
<p>In the past three years, I think that we've all learned that because the world has continuously been on fire, literally, and it's just been one thing after another. So I think that we've learned how to both mourn and still have joy because you cannot live in despair. You just cannot. So there are real things happening in the world, but we do try to find some space for laughter, for joy, for friends and loved ones and having lighter moments. And today we have a pretty serious topic to talk about, but we hope to inflect it with a little bit of hope for all of you out there. So let's dig into it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RQ-8-K1_t35oUxzWgMVXrUevTcaoS_xFETLZxgnu9_XMmXg-kDzl3bNp-eLmge06ONw7vCHKrK-q7vcWyFmC3DSDbcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.26'>02:01</a>):</p>
<p>Let's do it. Yes. I mean, certainly with the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and I know conflict is a mild word, there's been a lot of horrific scenes taking place in the name of power in just thousands of years of animosity. We know that. And as communicators, our eyes and ears are attuned to the messaging that's out there. There's a lot of propaganda. There is a lot of hurt feelings on both the Jewish and Muslim, I hate to say sides, but amongst people of, Hey, why aren't you standing up for us? Why aren't you standing up for us? And it's just, again, as with anything we've seen, I hate to say in recent years because I know we can go back hundreds of years and point out misinformation and propaganda, but it just seems, especially with the onset of our digital world, the waters are so incredibly muddy and murky. I mean, one thing we know is true outright murdering innocents is never right. Let's start there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ax_PQ37m6FsGlWjWLUjmWOPzOuVB0ihrZ-YMvxBQ5TIftpo4n63X7IlqlRhrjFsDCJMlHV9-XN2AVFTLiel7jMa6rDU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.39'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>Let's start there. And I always think about, there's this newsletter that I subscribed to and it's called 1440, and their tagline is “Facts Without Motives.” And they share just the facts. So all the headlines, all the news, unbiased reporting, and I love reading it because it is a good reminder as a communicator that is also my job. Facts without motives, whatever your personal feelings are about politics, what's going on in the world, the wars, who's right, who's wrong as communicators, we have to understand that we do serve diverse audiences and that our communication does need to be factual and we cannot inflict our personal opinions and biases upon our communications. And so we've seen a lot of missteps that have been hurtful, but I also am encouraged by the public relation pros who have stepped up and who have taken the rhetoric out of it all and said, we focus on human life, period does not matter because it's very troubling to me that there have been communications put out by organizations that have actually incited and incentivized hatred against any group, against Muslims, against the Jewish community.</p>
<p>This is horrific to me. It pains me. And it's so hard when you see that because number one, in the United States of America, there are so many different religions. You cannot, cannot paint everyone with the same brush. Every Muslim is not a terrorist. Have we not learned one single thing from 9/11? These are our neighbors, these are our colleagues, these are our friends. They're often our family members. Please value human beings and human life. Yes, there's a time and a place for political activism. Yes, there's a time and a place to debate how you feel about this, but it is not as a professional communicator. And I would encourage you to counsel your clients and the organizations that you serve that when putting out statements, if you put out a statement that supports one side or the other, you are eliminating a big swath of your audience. You have to hold space for everyone because I think that we can all agree that decapitating babies is not okay in anyone's book, holding people hostage and torturing them, murdering families who are just families. They're not part of a terrorist organization. I cannot personally stand behind that. But as a human being, I think that we can all agree on those facts, that none of this is okay, and that we have to be careful and inclusive in our messaging that we're not going too far to either side.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bnCTY4JtYEPIbHwlCP_EnR-ADNHvc_ikQQ8Cto_-BoxZkb3f8oz2fzWVDOnTeLmqB0FHy2AIHzktb0Tc8xKHvA1EXJA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=388.79'>06:28</a>):</p>
<p>And it's the old adage until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, because the way that that attack was done was I'm sure intentional to trigger the generations-old feeling in the bones. I forget the title, but there's an Irish history book called, I think it's called The Stories in Our Bones, and all of us, all of our people groups, we have those stories of, yeah. So there are certain things when they happen to other people groups, it does trigger something of, yeah, no, that's not right. And just to empathize, because it is sad. Our Jewish friends, our Muslim friends are going through this. We're going about our day. I'm thinking, am I going to have tuna fish for lunch? I'm not worried about stepping outside of my house today. And whether some listeners might think, oh, what's the big deal? Well, it is a big deal, and we just have to be cogniscent of that from a professional perspective. Hey, where's our audience sitting today? Especially if you're working in the social media sphere, if you're creating content, not that you have to be super, super intentive. I'm not saying that, oh, you need to create content about this. Don't take that the wrong way. Sorry, my allergy head is spinning.</p>
<p>But just be conscious of what's happening. And I think that's with anything that's if, let's say you're a small town and there's a big fire that's affected a lot of people, we're just reminding ourselves foremost and all of our fellow communicators to just keep this in mind. And if you are working with a client that feels compelled to issue some kind of statement, please know that most of our clients don't need to do that. But if you do feel compelled to do so, make sure you really, not only you factually check it, but you also do a good gut check.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R6M8PHJP2vbiJ3sS-XAbc-if_YIBoOuOBfV3mqJWBMmbEiVam69AnvGV9K1BxnIQsQil0lUGR8CFOjU5CPUARjzNRDk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.48'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, that goes back for me, always, always in companies, in every single action should be aligning with their mission, vision, and values. And this is where living that daily from the basement to the boardroom becomes so important. It is a foundation for ethical practices and integrity. It should be important to organizations, and you should definitely allow that to guide you as you craft statements. And as you said, it is really important if you do not have to make a statement. But I understand that with this conflict, it really does impact your employees in the PR world. It affects the people that we work with, the companies, the media. This is on the hearts and minds of everyone. But we have to be careful too as we speak out about these things because there are many other conflicts globally that are impacting populations that are often ignored. It's interesting because I know that there are many people that use the word woke as a political weapon</p>
<p>And regular people. Americans seem to have fatigue with feeling like they have to watch what they say about every single thing. To some degree that's true because we've learned better, so we should do better. Good example, I saw someone today post about someone who was perhaps mentally ill, and in a post, they used the word, they described the situation that had happened and said, has anyone else saw this crazy person? And I was horrified. That is the most demeaning thing to say, and I know that, but people still use these words. I believe that this person was not being mean, did not intentionally want to be mean. It's just something that they have become accustomed to saying. And so to the audience, I would say our audience is professional communicators. So we've learned that there are certain terms that we no longer use, and we try to correct that.</p>
<p>It does often feel like a mine field of stuff that's out there as a vegan. There are things that bother me. There's a phrase that people say, killing two birds with one stone, and it's like, please don't kill the birds. That bothers me. I'm not going to go off on you if you use that expression. But everybody has their stuff, is what I'm saying. And we do the best that we can to ensure that we are not isolating human beings and that we're being kind, gentle, and respectful, and that as we see things that are out there that are incorrectly phrased, if we have the opportunity to educate and advocate for proper language, then we should all join in that people have such misunderstanding about so many things today.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fVAX3C_hh4MxSivYtIfzMRPWXkaSK-ImT4E9uTBXukYsJN_-8Zp7N3xobOQvAZiCK9WfQiRqYoz9Xm1Oq-_WDfkHpGM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=691.74'>11:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. And then when you do enter that arena, you also are treading carefully of, whoa, what am I stupid? No, no one says you're stupid. We're just trying to bring to light some information. It's like everyone, I think we're just societally, we're still in just defense mode of what? What'd you say? How'd you say it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WQVrxM5e_2pzbw-10mHUf_0826GvXgAAqsZSa39TAyhZjLBWLvOz-wD6YXjPfwRbBUU0Zc-gmgSZ8BdRjnzr4Vvdc8Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=715.09'>11:55</a>):</p>
<p>We are, and we feel like we have to speak a certain way or use a certain bit of language, at least our audiences do, and that somehow aligns them with their political ideologies. That's especially true in the United States, less true I believe, in other parts of the world. And so it's a tough time for communicators. It's also, I think for us, it is an exciting time because I feel always that we can be light bearers, that we can be the people that are able to communicate with just that right touch of bringing people together. And we can show people how to speak to their audiences respectfully in ways that will engage them, in ways that will not create further division. But to be clear, there are times when division's going to happen and having a PR pro on your team, having a solo PR pro is where this is super important in this day and age because PR posts can help you to be prepared and to guard against that because there's no way that any of us can just 100% avoid conflict that just doesn't exist in today's world. I'm sorry to inform you that something that you do, even when it aligns with your mission, vision, values, even when you've done the right thing, is going to anger somebody. I promise you it will. And we also cannot live our lives or run our companies trying to be free from hatred. The hatred is going to come regardless of what you do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VFSsymLqYCnLAmojANHiKXZ7td_854Q-clTV8QWv2Wq8PvWA1SNSmPwToJ6Csl9BcuQXwLMQkRaTFZISnSFlmzW7cDo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=806.05'>13:26</a>):</p>
<p>That is so correct. But I love that you are always looking for the brightness and everything, and I think there are always opportunities to do better. Like you said, there are always opportunities to know better and then to do better. And if I could point our listeners to the Solo PR Pro blog, Karen has written a wonderful blog recently about hope and that we need to keep hope in our lives. We really do. So I would encourage you to read that. I just encourage you every day, just know that whatever you are feeling, especially in light of these current events, please know that you're not alone. You are never ever alone. And as communicators, the Solo PR Pro community is here for you. We are here for you. Please reach out to us at soloprpro.com. We really cherish every one of you. And until next time, thanks for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrocities against innocents in the Middle East. Another mass shooting in the U.S. Every day, something new to absorb and process. Now more than ever, PR pros need to lead the way in communicating clearly in all of this uncertainty.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/hope-and-the-hard-things/'>Read Hope and the Hard Things on the Solo PR Pro blog.</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TbADheKlXy3ehH1oJvVCE871L6YD3Fu4glENlPiOQZwShCM58W9huLLDTFqpQvzw-62y_BVHwI06hnjMdX51wQdXL3k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.64'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c_qw1sMKY0dIlpMbFWvF06jhZ9361AMuIXirWHGcfeeHXv1W7HwVLlnn3xUkqwL65FfwOBZoImK-5lyvH8WQNqNLDz0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.03'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, apparently Michelle, I'm doing better than you. You are soldiering through in spite of a major allergy attack here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/z_dyXaty_spYmtE_xXUVdw1gwI9LNK8n-RjTanVSnJ1qX5-Z0FBVcrQ36xVXf361KIoLecYBdydv0RpGsNILrASW4sA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=46.06'>00:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yay. This is what I get for peopling. Yeah, it happens. It happens. You get around the wrong things. That just anger your sinuses. And here we are. So it's supremely annoying, but I'll put it up against, there are unfortunately real problems in the world, so I'll soldier on. There's no joy in Mudville. Our Phillies are out of it, but I thank them for a wonderful ride and go, Rangers.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Y_jdvjxE7QrmpxQosLySnvwcX4s7UFEQyJBsuLSUzdZ_TC6mYKyksvSlPDW9YwTHNjyF986k7GERMf7jVFa3p54xOJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.17'>01:16</a>):                                                 </p>
<p>In the past three years, I think that we've all learned that because the world has continuously been on fire, literally, and it's just been one thing after another. So I think that we've learned how to both mourn and still have joy because you cannot live in despair. You just cannot. So there are real things happening in the world, but we do try to find some space for laughter, for joy, for friends and loved ones and having lighter moments. And today we have a pretty serious topic to talk about, but we hope to inflect it with a little bit of hope for all of you out there. So let's dig into it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RQ-8-K1_t35oUxzWgMVXrUevTcaoS_xFETLZxgnu9_XMmXg-kDzl3bNp-eLmge06ONw7vCHKrK-q7vcWyFmC3DSDbcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=121.26'>02:01</a>):</p>
<p>Let's do it. Yes. I mean, certainly with the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and I know conflict is a mild word, there's been a lot of horrific scenes taking place in the name of power in just thousands of years of animosity. We know that. And as communicators, our eyes and ears are attuned to the messaging that's out there. There's a lot of propaganda. There is a lot of hurt feelings on both the Jewish and Muslim, I hate to say sides, but amongst people of, Hey, why aren't you standing up for us? Why aren't you standing up for us? And it's just, again, as with anything we've seen, I hate to say in recent years because I know we can go back hundreds of years and point out misinformation and propaganda, but it just seems, especially with the onset of our digital world, the waters are so incredibly muddy and murky. I mean, one thing we know is true outright murdering innocents is never right. Let's start there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ax_PQ37m6FsGlWjWLUjmWOPzOuVB0ihrZ-YMvxBQ5TIftpo4n63X7IlqlRhrjFsDCJMlHV9-XN2AVFTLiel7jMa6rDU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.39'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>Let's start there. And I always think about, there's this newsletter that I subscribed to and it's called 1440, and their tagline is “Facts Without Motives.” And they share just the facts. So all the headlines, all the news, unbiased reporting, and I love reading it because it is a good reminder as a communicator that is also my job. Facts without motives, whatever your personal feelings are about politics, what's going on in the world, the wars, who's right, who's wrong as communicators, we have to understand that we do serve diverse audiences and that our communication does need to be factual and we cannot inflict our personal opinions and biases upon our communications. And so we've seen a lot of missteps that have been hurtful, but I also am encouraged by the public relation pros who have stepped up and who have taken the rhetoric out of it all and said, we focus on human life, period does not matter because it's very troubling to me that there have been communications put out by organizations that have actually incited and incentivized hatred against any group, against Muslims, against the Jewish community.</p>
<p>This is horrific to me. It pains me. And it's so hard when you see that because number one, in the United States of America, there are so many different religions. You cannot, cannot paint everyone with the same brush. Every Muslim is not a terrorist. Have we not learned one single thing from 9/11? These are our neighbors, these are our colleagues, these are our friends. They're often our family members. Please value human beings and human life. Yes, there's a time and a place for political activism. Yes, there's a time and a place to debate how you feel about this, but it is not as a professional communicator. And I would encourage you to counsel your clients and the organizations that you serve that when putting out statements, if you put out a statement that supports one side or the other, you are eliminating a big swath of your audience. You have to hold space for everyone because I think that we can all agree that decapitating babies is not okay in anyone's book, holding people hostage and torturing them, murdering families who are just families. They're not part of a terrorist organization. I cannot personally stand behind that. But as a human being, I think that we can all agree on those facts, that none of this is okay, and that we have to be careful and inclusive in our messaging that we're not going too far to either side.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bnCTY4JtYEPIbHwlCP_EnR-ADNHvc_ikQQ8Cto_-BoxZkb3f8oz2fzWVDOnTeLmqB0FHy2AIHzktb0Tc8xKHvA1EXJA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=388.79'>06:28</a>):</p>
<p>And it's the old adage until you walk a mile in someone's shoes, because the way that that attack was done was I'm sure intentional to trigger the generations-old feeling in the bones. I forget the title, but there's an Irish history book called, I think it's called The Stories in Our Bones, and all of us, all of our people groups, we have those stories of, yeah. So there are certain things when they happen to other people groups, it does trigger something of, yeah, no, that's not right. And just to empathize, because it is sad. Our Jewish friends, our Muslim friends are going through this. We're going about our day. I'm thinking, am I going to have tuna fish for lunch? I'm not worried about stepping outside of my house today. And whether some listeners might think, oh, what's the big deal? Well, it is a big deal, and we just have to be cogniscent of that from a professional perspective. Hey, where's our audience sitting today? Especially if you're working in the social media sphere, if you're creating content, not that you have to be super, super intentive. I'm not saying that, oh, you need to create content about this. Don't take that the wrong way. Sorry, my allergy head is spinning.</p>
<p>But just be conscious of what's happening. And I think that's with anything that's if, let's say you're a small town and there's a big fire that's affected a lot of people, we're just reminding ourselves foremost and all of our fellow communicators to just keep this in mind. And if you are working with a client that feels compelled to issue some kind of statement, please know that most of our clients don't need to do that. But if you do feel compelled to do so, make sure you really, not only you factually check it, but you also do a good gut check.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R6M8PHJP2vbiJ3sS-XAbc-if_YIBoOuOBfV3mqJWBMmbEiVam69AnvGV9K1BxnIQsQil0lUGR8CFOjU5CPUARjzNRDk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.48'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, that goes back for me, always, always in companies, in every single action should be aligning with their mission, vision, and values. And this is where living that daily from the basement to the boardroom becomes so important. It is a foundation for ethical practices and integrity. It should be important to organizations, and you should definitely allow that to guide you as you craft statements. And as you said, it is really important if you do not have to make a statement. But I understand that with this conflict, it really does impact your employees in the PR world. It affects the people that we work with, the companies, the media. This is on the hearts and minds of everyone. But we have to be careful too as we speak out about these things because there are many other conflicts globally that are impacting populations that are often ignored. It's interesting because I know that there are many people that use the word woke as a political weapon</p>
<p>And regular people. Americans seem to have fatigue with feeling like they have to watch what they say about every single thing. To some degree that's true because we've learned better, so we should do better. Good example, I saw someone today post about someone who was perhaps mentally ill, and in a post, they used the word, they described the situation that had happened and said, has anyone else saw this crazy person? And I was horrified. That is the most demeaning thing to say, and I know that, but people still use these words. I believe that this person was not being mean, did not intentionally want to be mean. It's just something that they have become accustomed to saying. And so to the audience, I would say our audience is professional communicators. So we've learned that there are certain terms that we no longer use, and we try to correct that.</p>
<p>It does often feel like a mine field of stuff that's out there as a vegan. There are things that bother me. There's a phrase that people say, killing two birds with one stone, and it's like, please don't kill the birds. That bothers me. I'm not going to go off on you if you use that expression. But everybody has their stuff, is what I'm saying. And we do the best that we can to ensure that we are not isolating human beings and that we're being kind, gentle, and respectful, and that as we see things that are out there that are incorrectly phrased, if we have the opportunity to educate and advocate for proper language, then we should all join in that people have such misunderstanding about so many things today.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fVAX3C_hh4MxSivYtIfzMRPWXkaSK-ImT4E9uTBXukYsJN_-8Zp7N3xobOQvAZiCK9WfQiRqYoz9Xm1Oq-_WDfkHpGM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=691.74'>11:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. And then when you do enter that arena, you also are treading carefully of, whoa, what am I stupid? No, no one says you're stupid. We're just trying to bring to light some information. It's like everyone, I think we're just societally, we're still in just defense mode of what? What'd you say? How'd you say it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WQVrxM5e_2pzbw-10mHUf_0826GvXgAAqsZSa39TAyhZjLBWLvOz-wD6YXjPfwRbBUU0Zc-gmgSZ8BdRjnzr4Vvdc8Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=715.09'>11:55</a>):</p>
<p>We are, and we feel like we have to speak a certain way or use a certain bit of language, at least our audiences do, and that somehow aligns them with their political ideologies. That's especially true in the United States, less true I believe, in other parts of the world. And so it's a tough time for communicators. It's also, I think for us, it is an exciting time because I feel always that we can be light bearers, that we can be the people that are able to communicate with just that right touch of bringing people together. And we can show people how to speak to their audiences respectfully in ways that will engage them, in ways that will not create further division. But to be clear, there are times when division's going to happen and having a PR pro on your team, having a solo PR pro is where this is super important in this day and age because PR posts can help you to be prepared and to guard against that because there's no way that any of us can just 100% avoid conflict that just doesn't exist in today's world. I'm sorry to inform you that something that you do, even when it aligns with your mission, vision, values, even when you've done the right thing, is going to anger somebody. I promise you it will. And we also cannot live our lives or run our companies trying to be free from hatred. The hatred is going to come regardless of what you do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VFSsymLqYCnLAmojANHiKXZ7td_854Q-clTV8QWv2Wq8PvWA1SNSmPwToJ6Csl9BcuQXwLMQkRaTFZISnSFlmzW7cDo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=806.05'>13:26</a>):</p>
<p>That is so correct. But I love that you are always looking for the brightness and everything, and I think there are always opportunities to do better. Like you said, there are always opportunities to know better and then to do better. And if I could point our listeners to the Solo PR Pro blog, Karen has written a wonderful blog recently about hope and that we need to keep hope in our lives. We really do. So I would encourage you to read that. I just encourage you every day, just know that whatever you are feeling, especially in light of these current events, please know that you're not alone. You are never ever alone. And as communicators, the Solo PR Pro community is here for you. We are here for you. Please reach out to us at soloprpro.com. We really cherish every one of you. And until next time, thanks for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you doing today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:36):
Hi, apparently Michelle, I'm doing better than you. You are soldiering through in spite of a major allergy attack here.
Michelle Kane (00:46):
Yay. This is what I get for peopling. Yeah, it happens. It happens. You get around the wrong things. That just anger your sinuses. And here we are. So it's supremely annoying, but I'll put it up against, there are unfortunately real problems in the world, so I'll soldier on. There's no joy in Mudville. Our Phillies are out of it, but I thank them for a wonderful ride and go, Rangers.
Karen Swim, APR (01:16):                                                 
In the past three years, I think that we've all learned that because the world has continuously been on fire, literally, and it's just been one thing after another. So I think that we've learned how to both mourn and still have joy because you cannot live in despair. You just cannot. So there are real things happening in the world, but we do try to find some space for laughter, for joy, for friends and loved ones and having lighter moments. And today we have a pretty serious topic to talk about, but we hope to inflect it with a little bit of hope for all of you out there. So let's dig into it.
Michelle Kane (02:01):
Let's do it. Yes. I mean, certainly with the conflict between Israel and Hamas, and I know conflict is a mild word, there's been a lot of horrific scenes taking place in the name of power in just thousands of years of animosity. We know that. And as communicators, our eyes and ears are attuned to the messaging that's out there. There's a lot of propaganda. There is a lot of hurt feelings on both the Jewish and Muslim, I hate to say sides, but amongst people of, Hey, why aren't you standing up for us? Why aren't you standing up for us? And it's just, again, as with anything we've seen, I hate to say in recent years because I know we can go back hundreds of years and point out misinformation and propaganda, but it just seems, especially with the onset of our digital world, the waters are so incredibly muddy and murky. I mean, one thing we know is true outright murdering innocents is never right. Let's start there.
Karen Swim, APR (03:16):
Let's start there. And I always think about, there's this newsletter that I subscribed to and it's called 1440, and their tagline is “Facts Without Motives.” And they share just the facts. So all the headlines, all the news, unbiased reporting, and I love reading it because it is a good reminder as a communicator that is also my job. Facts without motives, whatever your personal feelings are about politics, what's going on in the world, the wars, who's right, who's wrong as communicators, we have to understand that we do serve diverse audiences and that our communication does need to be factual and we cannot inflict our personal opinions and biases upon our communications. And so we've seen a lot of missteps that have been hurtful, but I also am encouraged by the public relation pros who have stepped up and who have taken the rhetoric out of it all and said, we focus on human life, period does not matter because it's very troubling to me that there have been communications put out by organizations that have actually incited and incentivized hatred against any group, against Muslims, against the Jewish community.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We cover AI and PR in many of our episodes because we want our fellow PR pros to have the knowledge they need to stay on top of this technology. In today’s episode, we’ll discuss the new “Warsaw Principles” unveiled earlier this month on the ethical use of AI in public relations by the International Communications Consultancy Organization (ICCO) at its Global Summit.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.provokemedia.com/latest/article/icco-ratifies-principles-for-ethical-use-of-ai-in-public-relations#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20Warsaw%20Principles%20are%20more,message%20is%20transparent%20and%20trustworthy.%E2%80%9D'>Read the story courtesy of ProvokeMedia.com.</a></p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TL9NThCkRr8b3mPPzdGwPXdG3RROynKFxWXfXgW7-MvyYn8y_8_OhRZUTGBkHVDu8tPg8E1jMWtuOclMTogNBy63N5Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.12'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of the Mighty Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WE9XMyDPwmjX-jUo2-TLyww7ZziwLYulMsHvEUSE6MjcCP1_a7GxGxXkxLJGCLDATttCo6qFe-VzVkr3nen0LzNnIkE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.75'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I am doing good for Hump Day. Michelle, how are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3p75T7e7jZk3TesY-GfmDnXcndeqItc23qNU1K683_P3GvIeWl3m9MTRX_SA9ooq3sPZzYpO2I1HytBPEeyUrbA5kSs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.41'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Not bad, not bad. October's feeling a bit like a steamroller, but I am committed to staying just a few steps ahead of it. How does that sound?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rHg5bLdwky1AhEYXXZSPZjC_xxZsEcrWjkE_iR7O3MHZFf9oITisADLlfn17ADPhmxoi_cnPIlCDICE1g3-EZ3YHJNo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.36'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>That sounds like all of us these days and 100% agree. I am feeling a little crushed right now.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F_jgcqnGhEtB_6P3hGpcl_z_WG8zobujWEo5Rrn0_QPW6s8Rjj8T_K7lUqR1x0mJStoZyjqVpOMp6gZQ8Rm-SpfXpKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.14'>00:49</a>):</p>
<p>And the big picture is, it’s a great problem to have. So always spinning, always spinning the message. But yeah, so it's good. The air's getting crisper. That kind of perks things up a little. And I'll give a shout out now. I don't know what the story will be by the time this drops on Monday, but so far my Phillies are killing it. So life is good here in the Delaware Valley.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tkr0mpKwjR40fowIizIwoOlBw2YoeoNEKqadCT0Gr8QOeuLekVmM9MD3oXaHu-LC9FA1LbM0pkTjQ3wL4lqMuWDWUGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.2'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Your Phillies are coming in and here in Michigan as we speak, the Lions are looking like a real football team. So go!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5nzUFeedmwjTzcLHYmXw46nML0_6-cnABeRBKlEe9Mwq-xu6S7Tl4hAqA1VixFONWvpzBW7ITGZWPUQhRlIUe_jet0c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.85'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>And if the sports world is good, we are good, we're good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yDbPGAVSRhEmDDk62VsThAmN01OOyfLI_7mjhNEthRxrMxQHaUn5NbN4vOSbh3A7pj4-JSV2Qj7z6swKHQ8IHOpbi0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.63'>01:30</a>):</p>
<p>We need to celebrate and look forward to something.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FZymRrfucYwhly9PRmpXSvgnR0UUxJOk6qzTdl_wJMOUXylHGQIz95ShST0levjM2tXuNtzYITjRa6_wpCylLGnxsPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.98'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>Amidst all the very serious strife going on. So today we're going to touch on, I know you're probably thinking, “they're talking AI again,” but we are, we're going to talk about AI because something really essential came out of the recent ICCO Global Summit and they are calling them the “Warsaw Principles” and they were ratified as principles for ethical use of AI and public relations. And I don't know about you, Karen, but as I was reading through them, I just kept nodding my head and then thinking, well, of course this is how an ethical communications person should use AI. But as we know, speaking of a steamroller, it is something that we really do need to keep up with before this technology might overrun our society and in a society where mis, mal, and disinformation is so horrifically prevalent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NXO4TVGB3QTwZYCEYCf2XPMjeb4D7cyOzWhttqvKxKjXujDzo2PwJArlUoUVKlAsp7mx27M8nFCdDOeEotRW17pPJU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.56'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree with one of the things for me is that we've talked a lot about the use of generative AI, and we've been keeping an eye on all of the ways that the use of AI, by others, by our audiences impacts our work. So I do think it is an important step. I know that PRSA has also addressed the ethics of AI and talked about this and voices for everyone has definitely put out resources about mis, mal, and disinformation, but I love that they tackled the problems as we move forward in this new world. And it is interesting that this came on the heels of other industries addressing AI and their work. So we saw this come up in the writer’s strike, in the ongoing actor’s strike in the ongoing auto workers strike. AI is playing a big role. And so the reason that we continue to talk about it is because it's developing so quickly and its use is becoming so widespread that we do also have to be very aware that it is a great tool when used properly, but we need to be aware of how it can be abused.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/giwEV0MrVnusDE-ISJMUiSOp7ehroOGcL_JIWKlVnMc0_QBaGF6ouGBm-8gZRnUbL5CgW4ycKUoYVAOr3I2DTJTcCkc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.09'>03:58</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And in any good communication at the forefront should be the communicator's integrity, your credibility. Can you be trusted? Can you be trusted to give transparent and complete and factual information? And because without that, what are we doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DN96EkEhLdjmf7XY8xp02frJ0acILuH2mI-qLuvOvqPpXtdE6V8MeQjNqIJkYK27UVo9nfRqO3O3yml4ApVHu0Bql5o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.66'>04:22</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. And one hope that I have, so one of the principles that, or something that the principals underscore the importance of is accuracy and fact checking. And I have to tell you, this is one of those things that just on a daily basis just causes me a lot of anxiety because even in our own just casual reading, you find that you really do have to check everything. And even with trusted sources. And I am hoping that as we continue to create and utilize AI and it becomes more and more ingrained into our daily lives in the work that we do, that there are also companies that can come up with ways to bulletproof the content that we produce. Because people can take something that you honestly said and repurpose it into something that sends a completely different message. That's a whole different level of monitoring for communications professionals. And it adds a whole new layer of complexity into protecting the reputations of our clients. And that's a scary area, and we've seen it happen. And unfortunately AI learns so it keeps getting better and better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CdHIKofR0JRBCcGD2KnF4CTZ2mStM9bT60zkYYHXrL30L9QizJ_R2IluVBvxiFUwm6SM8IkovmUFCYTjPsd0gbRK_2k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=350.26'>05:50</a>):</p>
<p>So true, so true. And it does point to the need. It's not that we're not going to need our human touch anymore. We are still going to be necessary to do the actual thinking and to have the discernments on how to use these tools. I think especially with context, because I know nuance and context have really suffered in the last at least 30 years, maybe going back a little farther.</p>
<p>The public is less and less inclined to be used to thinking in those ways. And I don't want to sound elitist, but it's like, guys don't take everything at face value. What was the context? Or as communicators, we need to, as best we can, knowing that we are still trying to grab the, what's the current attention span, three to four seconds, maybe five. That's our challenge to present our information in the soundbite without losing the context. So I love that they included that in these principles with AI. And even thinking about intellectual property, I have to think of recently with Drake using Halle Berry's image without her permission. Now that wasn't AI. He made a conscious choice, but that kind of thing might not have happened five years ago. So there's this devolution of what's up for grabs for your use versus what is just either stolen or done without permission.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jGMKEJHQVcY5EiK-gF7OgFsgrbaApDeK08wat4wQA4LmR7Usy9TLGtdW3eoOe0FlB9zC4qGaWsEgpPClBsQ8W22T6XY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=454.67'>07:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And ensuring that if you're using AI to create images, that you're not violating someone else's protected property. That's really important. And I could see that being a really tricky area as well. So we do need some checks and balances. One of the other things that stood out to me was bias, which is, it's interesting, even though we've started talking about generative AI more this year, at the end of last year, it just exploded into the public conversation. These are conversations that clients and I had a couple of years ago, specifically in FinTech industries where we did data and we saw bias in the data. And this has happened in the housing market where you're using AI tools, you're using data to make decisions that are very biased. And so I think we have to recognize that too, even in our use of tools like ChatGPT and generative AI, ensuring that they are not biased and that we are correcting for that because the tool does learn from us as well. So these are all weighty, complex issues that we can't solve on our own, but we do need to be aware of it. And the way in which we conduct our work needs to adhere to some ethical principles.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/odDrwOlsvSlH8TetQX0vf8SGHCf4q7IdJVuXa599Ode9IEj2tx0X4jq9I9gt7Td7uxjh7nndTLogBJh3hLbjICLzj24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=544.47'>09:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. And even as you were saying that, I was thinking, yes, it's a problem we need to solve for, but I'm glad that it is out. I say out in the open,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GOuTVrTg6VUzdtZbbKY87hpDX7ILjx0s9wjIDtV-QxHPCpQ6ec4yEmaMsrbyszsGatdUOXoSHHHlknsUJfqdG8A5aaY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.49'>09:17</a>):</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZzplMBkGrnvLH_qaV-cRJ8kUq6sMECfyBU-Xvqw4mMF6hAzpPePfAg12-_46muboTdE10LfOSrd691TBO3Fhd3kjMDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.85'>09:17</a>):</p>
<p>It's like, oh, yes, there are biases in data sometimes. So we can no longer just turn a blind eye and say, oh no, it's data, it's fine. So now that we have this extra element to consider, I think that's helping us to directly confront some of these larger issues that affect lives.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LA01_irfVpcKNoe4yBx1IyHmip4sKocwXcmgmA1XRcGyuFScKaxZAJoNwdxASLBLcaHe309PAicodmawt9GdTemuCS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=581.58'>09:41</a>):</p>
<p>Well, it's related to this. It's interesting. I just saw something that someone wrote that really made me take a step back and think, because they talked about the whole idea of surveys being inherently biased towards certain abilities. So do surveys, you have surveys about people that have special needs or disabilities, but then you don't make those surveys accessible to that population of people. So who are you really surveying? And even in general surveys where you're asking questions and you're surveying an audience, you're missing a big section of the population maybe by either the way that you offer the surveys and not making them accessible to, for instance, people that don't have site or people who have other issues using computers or online tools or, so we're not solving for those issues. And it just opened up a whole other discussion for me and AVAs being aware of that as well, that as we seek to be inclusive in our communications, we also have to seek to be inclusive in our information gathering and making our content and our ask accessible to larger audiences.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gd9o-D5aQRVK7X3ooartY3BLPVYZrPHnSjnQpOnaiCD90YSG6uNVZXvakAKzJ4eFP1B8MGNZsoCfM9LWPbW-TZw3UsM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=671.94'>11:11</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you said that because imagine sending a survey to someone who, because of their abilities, can't respond to. It's like, that's a little shortsighted. Why would you do that? And I'm sure if you're putting the time in to create a survey, you want actual data because let's get real How many times, just looking at the event world, how many times do you present an event and you say, let's survey all the attendees, and you get maybe 3% return and you think, oh, okay. It's a little disheartening. So think of all those things when you put that together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ov8QxYXGDS4zwd7gXtX41s9jMkPo7-7qUJGFUFKMjduYVJ_9ZAHEc_gNGO4Xk1zreZu-RpV1VUlzA0yK5ZtCtkhIv1E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=713.29'>11:53</a>):</p>
<p>And again, this is all, I don't think that any of us can claim to be perfect at this. I certainly count myself among that. I'm definitely not perfect at it. And I see lots of ways that I can improve, and it's particularly harder for small businesses because there's a lot of things to figure out. But I think that having these conversations and being willing to learn and to change and to adapt so that we can be inclusive is really important. And that includes in our use of AI, and then being open and understanding that we need to check for those things as we see not only in how we use AI, but how clients make AI as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w7ciNP2sk_9JkGKNYpLfGM-8Dngf39PfrGaBk_KHuWYEkN-VVd73Kmqp37ubDMkBoNERMQwhy1GoUsvs9ZZ6h3KvdcA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.57'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>And I do love that they cover transparency. Again, that's also important with being upfront with, okay, this was developed with ai. And again, we've said this before. We're not saying every paragraph that you present to your client, you need to let them know what tool you use because that's ridiculous. That falls under spellcheck and all those things. But in the larger picture, especially things I would think like video and audio where things can be so easily manipulated and even to the trained eye, it's getting very, very good at fooling us. And that can be dangerous.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ICR3DbwrwOiHwkIvjzDbeyA-QzhIHqdTmydtorbL8nYRTt29pDQ-dVyarNSW66-CQFvWKT1Y5m8B6Iz0RptLl5YcO4M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=801.37'>13:21</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, listen, we are pretty upfront with our clients that we use generative AI as a tool in our work, and they know that just kind of as a blanket overall thing. So there are some things that there are ways that we use it, and we're happy to share that with clients. We're happy to guide the way and show them how they can streamline their processes with some uses of AI as well. So I do think that transparency is important, but I agree with you. We forget that we've used tools like Grammarly and we've used lots of other AI tools in our work for years without even thinking about it. And you don't tell clients, I got this name and information out of this database that uses AI to find reporters that match this thing because that is not really impacting them. So we're going to get normalized about this and we're going to feel less weird about it. But I think some communicators still feel in some way, like they're somehow cheating. They're cheating the system if they're using AI in their work as a tool. Now, if you're just straight up producing content from AI and you are not having any human interaction with it at all, and it's not at all your creation, yeah, that's probably something you need to mess up to for that particular piece. So also probably not the best idea to do that because it is a toll, it is not a replacement for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ByJiPUmB-pARGwqRuT8YW7V0lj25_vrK-wGGwvcc0EE2ecyYC2RgKpxyZcXZjka2tnZFrWG8G6JF4178p5xxHk7_oSk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=889.72'>14:49</a>):</p>
<p>Correct, correct. And I think what it all comes down to is be a good person, operate within your profession ethically and with consideration. And if you do those things, you'll be okay. If we all do it, we'll all be okay. And the world will be a better place</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3xGTMMLQjOilppInZOZp0xjszmg7Omio_FXWJOzXFq0wVPAXIjRIVJS-SXp-tgOUzVEtwKh6df_IYjrij7DNPKB3Ia4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.57'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>For all my PRSA members out there. You all know that as a member, you agree to abide by the code of ethics, but even for non-members, it's great thing to go and look at that code of ethics and to refresh yourself on the standard that we should be holding ourselves to whether or not you're a PRSA member, because it really does. Everything that's in the worse off principles that's directed toward AI really flow right into the code of ethics that PRSA has. So if you're abiding by that code, you will find this not onerous at all. You will look at specific things to address in terms of ai, but I just think it's a good idea. September is ethics month at PRSA. So there's tons of resources there too that just happened in September with webinars and all kinds of information and resources. So that's another good place to go if you're looking to really ensure that you are operating ethically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CJSGoRkOg2LJB7bhwLLynQL6gwmOSyf_WC38vbETrk42TF3AffS6D1nEEBa3ZIlseReg8aQibaG1k1jJP9ZbQ5ujt70?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=978.23'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>That's great. That's great. And yeah, I think PRSAs is a great guiding light for our entire profession, whether or not you are a member. And we hope as you're listening, we hope this is actually energizing you and making you realize that we are going to have so many great new ways to serve our clients. My dogs agree. And just use this as a springboard for making us more efficient, bringing new ways to shine a light on all the good things our clients are doing. And we want to hear from you. Are you using ai? How are you using it? Have you come up against any conundrums? Let us know. It's solo pr pro.com. And if you're getting value from this today, please do share it around. Follow us, all the good things, tag us. We love it. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We cover AI and PR in many of our episodes because we want our fellow PR pros to have the knowledge they need to stay on top of this technology. In today’s episode, we’ll discuss the new “Warsaw Principles” unveiled earlier this month on the ethical use of AI in public relations by the International Communications Consultancy Organization (ICCO) at its Global Summit.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.provokemedia.com/latest/article/icco-ratifies-principles-for-ethical-use-of-ai-in-public-relations#:~:text=%E2%80%9CThe%20Warsaw%20Principles%20are%20more,message%20is%20transparent%20and%20trustworthy.%E2%80%9D'>Read the story courtesy of ProvokeMedia.com.</a></p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TL9NThCkRr8b3mPPzdGwPXdG3RROynKFxWXfXgW7-MvyYn8y_8_OhRZUTGBkHVDu8tPg8E1jMWtuOclMTogNBy63N5Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.12'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of the Mighty Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WE9XMyDPwmjX-jUo2-TLyww7ZziwLYulMsHvEUSE6MjcCP1_a7GxGxXkxLJGCLDATttCo6qFe-VzVkr3nen0LzNnIkE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.75'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I am doing good for Hump Day. Michelle, how are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3p75T7e7jZk3TesY-GfmDnXcndeqItc23qNU1K683_P3GvIeWl3m9MTRX_SA9ooq3sPZzYpO2I1HytBPEeyUrbA5kSs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.41'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Not bad, not bad. October's feeling a bit like a steamroller, but I am committed to staying just a few steps ahead of it. How does that sound?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rHg5bLdwky1AhEYXXZSPZjC_xxZsEcrWjkE_iR7O3MHZFf9oITisADLlfn17ADPhmxoi_cnPIlCDICE1g3-EZ3YHJNo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=36.36'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>That sounds like all of us these days and 100% agree. I am feeling a little crushed right now.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F_jgcqnGhEtB_6P3hGpcl_z_WG8zobujWEo5Rrn0_QPW6s8Rjj8T_K7lUqR1x0mJStoZyjqVpOMp6gZQ8Rm-SpfXpKo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=49.14'>00:49</a>):</p>
<p>And the big picture is, it’s a great problem to have. So always spinning, always spinning the message. But yeah, so it's good. The air's getting crisper. That kind of perks things up a little. And I'll give a shout out now. I don't know what the story will be by the time this drops on Monday, but so far my Phillies are killing it. So life is good here in the Delaware Valley.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tkr0mpKwjR40fowIizIwoOlBw2YoeoNEKqadCT0Gr8QOeuLekVmM9MD3oXaHu-LC9FA1LbM0pkTjQ3wL4lqMuWDWUGk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.2'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Your Phillies are coming in and here in Michigan as we speak, the Lions are looking like a real football team. So go!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5nzUFeedmwjTzcLHYmXw46nML0_6-cnABeRBKlEe9Mwq-xu6S7Tl4hAqA1VixFONWvpzBW7ITGZWPUQhRlIUe_jet0c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=86.85'>01:26</a>):</p>
<p>And if the sports world is good, we are good, we're good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yDbPGAVSRhEmDDk62VsThAmN01OOyfLI_7mjhNEthRxrMxQHaUn5NbN4vOSbh3A7pj4-JSV2Qj7z6swKHQ8IHOpbi0g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=90.63'>01:30</a>):</p>
<p>We need to celebrate and look forward to something.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FZymRrfucYwhly9PRmpXSvgnR0UUxJOk6qzTdl_wJMOUXylHGQIz95ShST0levjM2tXuNtzYITjRa6_wpCylLGnxsPY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=94.98'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>Amidst all the very serious strife going on. So today we're going to touch on, I know you're probably thinking, “they're talking AI again,” but we are, we're going to talk about AI because something really essential came out of the recent ICCO Global Summit and they are calling them the “Warsaw Principles” and they were ratified as principles for ethical use of AI and public relations. And I don't know about you, Karen, but as I was reading through them, I just kept nodding my head and then thinking, well, of course this is how an ethical communications person should use AI. But as we know, speaking of a steamroller, it is something that we really do need to keep up with before this technology might overrun our society and in a society where mis, mal, and disinformation is so horrifically prevalent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NXO4TVGB3QTwZYCEYCf2XPMjeb4D7cyOzWhttqvKxKjXujDzo2PwJArlUoUVKlAsp7mx27M8nFCdDOeEotRW17pPJU0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.56'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree with one of the things for me is that we've talked a lot about the use of generative AI, and we've been keeping an eye on all of the ways that the use of AI, by others, by our audiences impacts our work. So I do think it is an important step. I know that PRSA has also addressed the ethics of AI and talked about this and voices for everyone has definitely put out resources about mis, mal, and disinformation, but I love that they tackled the problems as we move forward in this new world. And it is interesting that this came on the heels of other industries addressing AI and their work. So we saw this come up in the writer’s strike, in the ongoing actor’s strike in the ongoing auto workers strike. AI is playing a big role. And so the reason that we continue to talk about it is because it's developing so quickly and its use is becoming so widespread that we do also have to be very aware that it is a great tool when used properly, but we need to be aware of how it can be abused.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/giwEV0MrVnusDE-ISJMUiSOp7ehroOGcL_JIWKlVnMc0_QBaGF6ouGBm-8gZRnUbL5CgW4ycKUoYVAOr3I2DTJTcCkc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.09'>03:58</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And in any good communication at the forefront should be the communicator's integrity, your credibility. Can you be trusted? Can you be trusted to give transparent and complete and factual information? And because without that, what are we doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DN96EkEhLdjmf7XY8xp02frJ0acILuH2mI-qLuvOvqPpXtdE6V8MeQjNqIJkYK27UVo9nfRqO3O3yml4ApVHu0Bql5o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.66'>04:22</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. And one hope that I have, so one of the principles that, or something that the principals underscore the importance of is accuracy and fact checking. And I have to tell you, this is one of those things that just on a daily basis just causes me a lot of anxiety because even in our own just casual reading, you find that you really do have to check everything. And even with trusted sources. And I am hoping that as we continue to create and utilize AI and it becomes more and more ingrained into our daily lives in the work that we do, that there are also companies that can come up with ways to bulletproof the content that we produce. Because people can take something that you honestly said and repurpose it into something that sends a completely different message. That's a whole different level of monitoring for communications professionals. And it adds a whole new layer of complexity into protecting the reputations of our clients. And that's a scary area, and we've seen it happen. And unfortunately AI learns so it keeps getting better and better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CdHIKofR0JRBCcGD2KnF4CTZ2mStM9bT60zkYYHXrL30L9QizJ_R2IluVBvxiFUwm6SM8IkovmUFCYTjPsd0gbRK_2k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=350.26'>05:50</a>):</p>
<p>So true, so true. And it does point to the need. It's not that we're not going to need our human touch anymore. We are still going to be necessary to do the actual thinking and to have the discernments on how to use these tools. I think especially with context, because I know nuance and context have really suffered in the last at least 30 years, maybe going back a little farther.</p>
<p>The public is less and less inclined to be used to thinking in those ways. And I don't want to sound elitist, but it's like, guys don't take everything at face value. What was the context? Or as communicators, we need to, as best we can, knowing that we are still trying to grab the, what's the current attention span, three to four seconds, maybe five. That's our challenge to present our information in the soundbite without losing the context. So I love that they included that in these principles with AI. And even thinking about intellectual property, I have to think of recently with Drake using Halle Berry's image without her permission. Now that wasn't AI. He made a conscious choice, but that kind of thing might not have happened five years ago. So there's this devolution of what's up for grabs for your use versus what is just either stolen or done without permission.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jGMKEJHQVcY5EiK-gF7OgFsgrbaApDeK08wat4wQA4LmR7Usy9TLGtdW3eoOe0FlB9zC4qGaWsEgpPClBsQ8W22T6XY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=454.67'>07:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And ensuring that if you're using AI to create images, that you're not violating someone else's protected property. That's really important. And I could see that being a really tricky area as well. So we do need some checks and balances. One of the other things that stood out to me was bias, which is, it's interesting, even though we've started talking about generative AI more this year, at the end of last year, it just exploded into the public conversation. These are conversations that clients and I had a couple of years ago, specifically in FinTech industries where we did data and we saw bias in the data. And this has happened in the housing market where you're using AI tools, you're using data to make decisions that are very biased. And so I think we have to recognize that too, even in our use of tools like ChatGPT and generative AI, ensuring that they are not biased and that we are correcting for that because the tool does learn from us as well. So these are all weighty, complex issues that we can't solve on our own, but we do need to be aware of it. And the way in which we conduct our work needs to adhere to some ethical principles.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/odDrwOlsvSlH8TetQX0vf8SGHCf4q7IdJVuXa599Ode9IEj2tx0X4jq9I9gt7Td7uxjh7nndTLogBJh3hLbjICLzj24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=544.47'>09:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. And even as you were saying that, I was thinking, yes, it's a problem we need to solve for, but I'm glad that it is out. I say out in the open,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GOuTVrTg6VUzdtZbbKY87hpDX7ILjx0s9wjIDtV-QxHPCpQ6ec4yEmaMsrbyszsGatdUOXoSHHHlknsUJfqdG8A5aaY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.49'>09:17</a>):</p>
<p>Right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZzplMBkGrnvLH_qaV-cRJ8kUq6sMECfyBU-Xvqw4mMF6hAzpPePfAg12-_46muboTdE10LfOSrd691TBO3Fhd3kjMDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=557.85'>09:17</a>):</p>
<p>It's like, oh, yes, there are biases in data sometimes. So we can no longer just turn a blind eye and say, oh no, it's data, it's fine. So now that we have this extra element to consider, I think that's helping us to directly confront some of these larger issues that affect lives.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LA01_irfVpcKNoe4yBx1IyHmip4sKocwXcmgmA1XRcGyuFScKaxZAJoNwdxASLBLcaHe309PAicodmawt9GdTemuCS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=581.58'>09:41</a>):</p>
<p>Well, it's related to this. It's interesting. I just saw something that someone wrote that really made me take a step back and think, because they talked about the whole idea of surveys being inherently biased towards certain abilities. So do surveys, you have surveys about people that have special needs or disabilities, but then you don't make those surveys accessible to that population of people. So who are you really surveying? And even in general surveys where you're asking questions and you're surveying an audience, you're missing a big section of the population maybe by either the way that you offer the surveys and not making them accessible to, for instance, people that don't have site or people who have other issues using computers or online tools or, so we're not solving for those issues. And it just opened up a whole other discussion for me and AVAs being aware of that as well, that as we seek to be inclusive in our communications, we also have to seek to be inclusive in our information gathering and making our content and our ask accessible to larger audiences.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gd9o-D5aQRVK7X3ooartY3BLPVYZrPHnSjnQpOnaiCD90YSG6uNVZXvakAKzJ4eFP1B8MGNZsoCfM9LWPbW-TZw3UsM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=671.94'>11:11</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you said that because imagine sending a survey to someone who, because of their abilities, can't respond to. It's like, that's a little shortsighted. Why would you do that? And I'm sure if you're putting the time in to create a survey, you want actual data because let's get real How many times, just looking at the event world, how many times do you present an event and you say, let's survey all the attendees, and you get maybe 3% return and you think, oh, okay. It's a little disheartening. So think of all those things when you put that together.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ov8QxYXGDS4zwd7gXtX41s9jMkPo7-7qUJGFUFKMjduYVJ_9ZAHEc_gNGO4Xk1zreZu-RpV1VUlzA0yK5ZtCtkhIv1E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=713.29'>11:53</a>):</p>
<p>And again, this is all, I don't think that any of us can claim to be perfect at this. I certainly count myself among that. I'm definitely not perfect at it. And I see lots of ways that I can improve, and it's particularly harder for small businesses because there's a lot of things to figure out. But I think that having these conversations and being willing to learn and to change and to adapt so that we can be inclusive is really important. And that includes in our use of AI, and then being open and understanding that we need to check for those things as we see not only in how we use AI, but how clients make AI as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w7ciNP2sk_9JkGKNYpLfGM-8Dngf39PfrGaBk_KHuWYEkN-VVd73Kmqp37ubDMkBoNERMQwhy1GoUsvs9ZZ6h3KvdcA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=760.57'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>And I do love that they cover transparency. Again, that's also important with being upfront with, okay, this was developed with ai. And again, we've said this before. We're not saying every paragraph that you present to your client, you need to let them know what tool you use because that's ridiculous. That falls under spellcheck and all those things. But in the larger picture, especially things I would think like video and audio where things can be so easily manipulated and even to the trained eye, it's getting very, very good at fooling us. And that can be dangerous.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ICR3DbwrwOiHwkIvjzDbeyA-QzhIHqdTmydtorbL8nYRTt29pDQ-dVyarNSW66-CQFvWKT1Y5m8B6Iz0RptLl5YcO4M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=801.37'>13:21</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, listen, we are pretty upfront with our clients that we use generative AI as a tool in our work, and they know that just kind of as a blanket overall thing. So there are some things that there are ways that we use it, and we're happy to share that with clients. We're happy to guide the way and show them how they can streamline their processes with some uses of AI as well. So I do think that transparency is important, but I agree with you. We forget that we've used tools like Grammarly and we've used lots of other AI tools in our work for years without even thinking about it. And you don't tell clients, I got this name and information out of this database that uses AI to find reporters that match this thing because that is not really impacting them. So we're going to get normalized about this and we're going to feel less weird about it. But I think some communicators still feel in some way, like they're somehow cheating. They're cheating the system if they're using AI in their work as a tool. Now, if you're just straight up producing content from AI and you are not having any human interaction with it at all, and it's not at all your creation, yeah, that's probably something you need to mess up to for that particular piece. So also probably not the best idea to do that because it is a toll, it is not a replacement for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ByJiPUmB-pARGwqRuT8YW7V0lj25_vrK-wGGwvcc0EE2ecyYC2RgKpxyZcXZjka2tnZFrWG8G6JF4178p5xxHk7_oSk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=889.72'>14:49</a>):</p>
<p>Correct, correct. And I think what it all comes down to is be a good person, operate within your profession ethically and with consideration. And if you do those things, you'll be okay. If we all do it, we'll all be okay. And the world will be a better place</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3xGTMMLQjOilppInZOZp0xjszmg7Omio_FXWJOzXFq0wVPAXIjRIVJS-SXp-tgOUzVEtwKh6df_IYjrij7DNPKB3Ia4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=911.57'>15:11</a>):</p>
<p>For all my PRSA members out there. You all know that as a member, you agree to abide by the code of ethics, but even for non-members, it's great thing to go and look at that code of ethics and to refresh yourself on the standard that we should be holding ourselves to whether or not you're a PRSA member, because it really does. Everything that's in the worse off principles that's directed toward AI really flow right into the code of ethics that PRSA has. So if you're abiding by that code, you will find this not onerous at all. You will look at specific things to address in terms of ai, but I just think it's a good idea. September is ethics month at PRSA. So there's tons of resources there too that just happened in September with webinars and all kinds of information and resources. So that's another good place to go if you're looking to really ensure that you are operating ethically.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CJSGoRkOg2LJB7bhwLLynQL6gwmOSyf_WC38vbETrk42TF3AffS6D1nEEBa3ZIlseReg8aQibaG1k1jJP9ZbQ5ujt70?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=978.23'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>That's great. That's great. And yeah, I think PRSAs is a great guiding light for our entire profession, whether or not you are a member. And we hope as you're listening, we hope this is actually energizing you and making you realize that we are going to have so many great new ways to serve our clients. My dogs agree. And just use this as a springboard for making us more efficient, bringing new ways to shine a light on all the good things our clients are doing. And we want to hear from you. Are you using ai? How are you using it? Have you come up against any conundrums? Let us know. It's solo pr pro.com. And if you're getting value from this today, please do share it around. Follow us, all the good things, tag us. We love it. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of the Mighty Solo PR Pro. How are you, Karen?
Karen Swim, APR (00:21):
Hi. I am doing good for Hump Day. Michelle, how are you?
Michelle Kane (00:25):
Exactly. Not bad, not bad. October's feeling a bit like a steamroller, but I am committed to staying just a few steps ahead of it. How does that sound?
Karen Swim, APR (00:36):
That sounds like all of us these days and 100% agree. I am feeling a little crushed right now.
Michelle Kane (00:49):
And the big picture is, it’s a great problem to have. So always spinning, always spinning the message. But yeah, so it's good. The air's getting crisper. That kind of perks things up a little. And I'll give a shout out now. I don't know what the story will be by the time this drops on Monday, but so far my Phillies are killing it. So life is good here in the Delaware Valley.
Karen Swim, APR (01:16):
Your Phillies are coming in and here in Michigan as we speak, the Lions are looking like a real football team. So go!
Michelle Kane (01:26):
And if the sports world is good, we are good, we're good.
Karen Swim, APR (01:30):
We need to celebrate and look forward to something.
Michelle Kane (01:34):
Amidst all the very serious strife going on. So today we're going to touch on, I know you're probably thinking, “they're talking AI again,” but we are, we're going to talk about AI because something really essential came out of the recent ICCO Global Summit and they are calling them the “Warsaw Principles” and they were ratified as principles for ethical use of AI and public relations. And I don't know about you, Karen, but as I was reading through them, I just kept nodding my head and then thinking, well, of course this is how an ethical communications person should use AI. But as we know, speaking of a steamroller, it is something that we really do need to keep up with before this technology might overrun our society and in a society where mis, mal, and disinformation is so horrifically prevalent.
Karen Swim, APR (02:37):
Yeah, I agree with one of the things for me is that we've talked a lot about the use of generative AI, and we've been keeping an eye on all of the ways that the use of AI, by others, by our audiences impacts our work. So I do think it is an important step. I know that PRSA has also addressed the ethics of AI and talked about this and voices for everyone has definitely put out resources about mis, mal, and disinformation, but I love that they tackled the problems as we move forward in this new world. And it is interesting that this came on the heels of other industries addressing AI and their work. So we saw this come up in the writer’s strike, in the ongoing actor’s strike in the ongoing auto workers strike. AI is playing a big role. And so the reason that we continue to talk about it is because it's developing so quickly and its use is becoming so widespread that we do also have to be very aware that it is a great tool when used properly, but we need to be aware of how it can be abused.
Michelle Kane (03:58):
Exactly. And in any good communication at the forefront should be the communicator's integrity, your credibility. Can you be trusted? Can you be trusted to give transparent and complete and factual information? And because without that, what are we doing?
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>PR pros, communicators, we work in a unique environment. In an industry where we feel compelled to always be “on” and available, it’s challenging to make the time to work on our mental health. Know that you are not alone and know that taking that time is not only worth it, it’s essential.</p>
<p>Mental health is a topic we’ve addressed in a <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-land-of-the-wounded-mental-health-and-pr/'>previous episode</a> and in this <a href='https://soloprpro.com/the-unspoken-mental-health-struggles-in-public-relations/'>Solo PR Pro blog post</a>.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/olFOmBXK5BT4gFHd7sPhNDu8s0066t6jzjQFkxoq5ry73llCBFqUufXtCraUMOYs9HuNkvbUrzeRMF1J5nAVfGAqPDQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.52'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR Pros who work for themselves like me, Michelle Cain, and my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how's your day today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SzUcGIY-AvIU4Ml428_Rn0_q1pRMHGcNELX3oGiW1ST_zFKAVsDwG3R97VfYDHLV4RmBrX2_hioAM0d0xYzrzNDzMYk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.71'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I'm so good, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mmQH5eaDVMXcMDWkiYyKowoB0sXXjQccMpt5DuyW298AO0j_9RldNCyksjEZtjru-CBz70mpOZZYpK2wpRYUWIYe7WY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.77'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I’m good. I'm good. I'm a little bit toast. Had some major client events happen this weekend, and towards the end of the week, it seems like everything is decided to happen in the same two week period, which in this business is often beyond our control, so we tend to roll with it and get through as best we can. So yeah. How about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iTIpsSfoqIOe5J0wQSRcFvJif-EZJENFku53jtciCdvDs59x0lTpMbXmEqlGSyTZg9MXD89ItuATECtkYdyiDg4-G64?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.3'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Same. It feels like October has been, we know that, well, for us, the fall is usually busy, but I agree with you. It feels like there's all of a sudden 10 things happening on every day. There's meetings. There have been so many more meetings to go to so many more events, some of them all happening within the same set of days. And I think that that's probably a good segue into our topic today too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gX21qwxwa6inFEENIvh4-KZ9ERGg3XNPFUTkx_MjbvNeeWvM9rgkN1ZKu5sSq68quEeNgS_a-Ljmp4i9v3kwn1y9hJY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.62'>01:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes, it is. We're going to talk about which something we touch on often, and we're pretty sure there's reasons for that mental health, especially for those of us who work in the PR industry, the personality type that it takes to do this job. You're someone who's conscientious, always concerned about getting the details correct, and usually the one balancing all of the plates in the air and the many moving parts of things, not just for yourself and your business, but on behalf of your clients. So after a while, that tends to take a toll and we need to be cognizant of that.</p>
<p>I speak more from more of a viewpoint of hopefulness about this, but try and plan for that as part of the planning process that we do for our work.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MJ56601EXNg8gbXwDHVMaI2tPIWf0RbynUN7TFaWftLg01kcJ1zepwUrCS_1HG-BWZjgeH5TUBDGfYbcH2KpsvJ3Sr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.53'>02:25</a>):</p>
<p>I think it's so helpful to also have people that can help to pull you out of a spiral sometimes just saying things out loud to another human being who truly gets the work that you do in the same way that we talk to our friends, but many of us have friends that are not in our business, and so they can empathize on one level, but it really does help. So even if it means just hopping on a Zoom meeting with a fellow colleague and just having a virtual coffee and just chatting about stuff, just voicing it out loud, it can make you feel like you're not the only one struggling. It reaffirms us and it has a way of energizing us. And I know I recently just came to a whole new understanding that I am a big overthinker. I overthink everything, and in my head I'm always writing scenarios, and I have been like that since I was a kid, which makes me great for pr, but it's not so great when you are trying to have a peaceful stress-free life. It means that I have to work at that and I have to sometimes tell myself to stop overthinking everything and stop running scenarios and just enjoy life. Same. Take somebody else to say, don't overthink it because I'll overthink everything. And I'm always like, okay, but what if this happens? And what if this happens and I want to plan for all of it, all of us do because that's who we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ytX7Qiq52DL6fDqZJBRHdlBTCJPPVCucaSak6sVey7uN9UPtryeNTfN-XhNz6NEXH3WcbOK_sENmb0Tg_6-IX_XvkFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.27'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, totally, totally. Always thinking through, okay, well if this happens, then what all the “if thens” and to be ready for as much of anything as you can. And yeah, and that totally bleeds into my personal life too. I like to have a plan because I like the rest in knowing how a day is going to unfold. Not that I don't enjoy being spontaneous, so it can be loose. It can just be, oh, we're going to go to Philly, hang out and have dinner. Then I know, okay, that's enough of a plan for me at the moment.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z1DQc-4BafmiQ5BM1g3jcQbJusCl_T_uG8YYN7f_bjLOroaGQtAJG-RLsQF3UI-F7edjRcGwJkZEqw-Mobu2-JDKsVM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.5'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>I read the stat, and it's from a study last year, and they were saying that, or maybe it was 2021, they were saying that PR people feel guilty about taking time off from work for mental health reasons. And that breaks my heart because as business owners, as communication professionals, we should never treat mental health like it's separate from our overall health. And I know that many of us are also guilty of powering through everything. Looking at my wonderful co-host over here who recently worked through illness, we will power through it all, covid, pneumonia, broken bones, I mean seriously. And we have to stop doing that. It brings to mind Simone Biles, who at the top of her game, the GOAT, and she had to walk away from her job to take care of her mind, and she did. She lived her life. She walked away. No one even knew if she was coming back and I that maybe some of you are thinking, well, she had the financial resources to be able to do that, but it still is a matter of being strong enough to choose yourself and to prioritize your own health and not continue to risk it day after day by showing up with just fragments of yourself. And so maybe you don't take, what did she do, take like a year or two off?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q9si8x_eEGEw6doIs9k5FYMd-FK7lkHnKl-iZjy3dlR-mIErIoUuKB8cbe9U3tlioiXrXXOyjH6WBOzBZPK7Ae9_ooI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.41'>06:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, she got married…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RL8vy161sotLQNHf5eUPWf9VFVd43w2_CnDwCNtmUoT0lIf5EKbP9P7vhLNInc1_BMzz3y9X6Ai3LSCYxSBwmZsV0eU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.95'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>She came back and she blew through every record and became even greater. And I think that we need to keep that story in mind that it's okay to walk away. What does that look like for us who are solos? It means maybe it means sharing work with another person. Maybe it means teaming up with a colleague. And even if you're not teaming up to work on every single account together, maybe it means teaming up as backup. Maybe you backup each other up. Maybe you form an agreement where it's like, Hey, can you take the lead for me for a week and make sure that you keep the communications going? And I mean, it will take some work for you guys to develop a system, but take some pressure off. If you have a junior person that's working with you, let them handle communications. Tell them, train them how to do things in your absence. A lot of times it's not about, because you don't have to set strategy every single day. There's a lot of tactical things that can keep trains running and on the tracks while you take some downtime. Do not be afraid to walk away because I promise you it's better to pull back and to care for yourself than to show up broken.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rH-LJtmZ0dVq3shb1sZVI6TAl9jGpmRelxF_NoRWR-Yp5_387Es1wprVbUKHKgafit2pW4DNiuitOh1QRHw7WLNW7DA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.27'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so true. And it was funny, I was speaking with someone last week. We both recently had Covid. They got over theirs much more quickly. And I said, well, you took off. I didn't. And I know that. I know that, and I think it's one of the reasons I do that is because you think, ah, what's my work? I'm sitting at a keyboard that's kind of restful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_9Nshzhx9xZxxrZbY3aabrK7WcbDuaoLKP4kdsDgCF7khvTN1hRoa296f4DkIgqu7_HQoIa7V0hg6MqxGaB5jW5iJyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=492.83'>08:12</a>):</p>
<p>It's not.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qVY1lddPQSoVn-R61XKdSlC4__3utmP4vIuh4HuTOxyMmetgZHihwsvtOI--cvewzsjmFVrUl-HfZpVeBUQ4Bb7Z4aA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=493.67'>08:13</a>):</p>
<p>No, no,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uf4q6KryN_OJGhDZsF5YO-c8kgkdYju9TmKfn1V6N0Izdr7uYtV5FrUWOfpSlAYudle_2wL1zM31AKvsloAeAGoESpo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=494.6'>08:14</a>):</p>
<p>It's not.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7RaEtbE6z6gc7QH8aT76FRzuNP8d8y79iSc6Je8pkIu99gnhOej3XT_2B9CxBtWU1T9iuc6zGyThDh4Dd3EVFKg8gRg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.47'>08:15</a>):</p>
<p>So as I say, not as I do,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AxRK_mpbcwuAkHFxRKkvS5cEvYiflkXrgvBoPIfkTetd3Xt8zTqZhZ7UMa-e2DHGy3xhcwohKkF7HCRV4-V_VG__GxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.9'>08:20</a>):</p>
<p>I'll share in full transparency that the past couple of years are really hard for me. I lost a brother and I spiraled, I was having panic attacks, and then I went through a really bad depression. I just wasn't myself. And I made a decision with my colleague Carolyn, because she also had back to back. She lost both of her parents back to back. We were just at the end of ourselves. And so we made the decision not to do any business development and we didn't took care of the clients that we had. We backed each other up. We do have other team members that we can tap into, but we just took care of ourselves. I needed every single second of that. And I share this because I'm not only a solo, I'm single and I am my only source of income. So it's kind of a big deal to pull the brakes and to let the chips fall as they may. During that time, we did have clients that fell off. We had projects that ended. We had clients that had to pull back because of budgets. And rather than operating in a place of fear and lack, I just trusted that it would all work out because I knew that I wasn't there yet. I wasn't ready.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZZiEAI5F7QUI0E7VqhT-pSYnfGIUD0QELjRiMFuZItoO2-0a9MFif0onY3P_XxTs_3f0O5UNN4oqXAutnOh883EJXAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=580.89'>09:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think you knew deep down you were doing the right thing. And it does come to a point, and I'll hold myself accountable to that too. It's like at some point you can be doing a disservice by pushing yourself too hard, also being single, it's scary to make that choice because it's like, Hey, it's just me pulling  this wagon up the hill. But you can take breaks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PSPz76T2-ROdCaFNHrDBd320ix5FC0Rap7NoJtApf64KNi3qbdhAXuFhWTVbTWZIFjefsbg3TChJ-qh1Pm_s3gk7WDk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=609.39'>10:09</a>):</p>
<p>And I shared that because I want people to know that that thing that you are so afraid of is really not that scary. Was my bank account exactly where I wanted it to be? Not exactly, but I also didn't end up homeless. I was able to still pay all of my bills. Life kept moving on and it was fine. And Mike, many of you where I had that fear where I thought, oh, and a lot of times we push ourselves for those reasons I can't take off. I got a kid in college or kids in college or Oh my God, what am I going to do? It's just me. I need to do. Sometimes you don't. You really don't. And you need to just take the time. And I took an extended time and I let a lot of things fall to the ground, unfortunately. And you have to let go of the guilt too, because it is what it is. I'm a human being. I'm not perfect. I didn't have it all together. I wasn't ready. I was not okay at all. I really was not okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WO-JpT8AwQcOuVM63_Yx3Qcnf51jtksQzTeHr5KxnWF3MPflkZnaJo9zTAjGHEA5Qp9Bh_eKd5hoTQAM2fw1Fdd8hD8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=673.92'>11:13</a>):</p>
<p>I think that was the wisest thing that you could have done for yourself. And we do talk about this a lot too, the difference in the generations. I think us being X and silent, we still have that workhorse mentality of you got to do the things to get things done. And also speaking for myself, growing up in the faith community I grew up in, there was a lot of talk of grace and rest, but a whole lot of, well, we got to do all the things and we got to do 'em today and don't slack and blah, blah, blah. And I am still actively unlearning that aspect because I know it. That is not correct. You shouldn't be grinding yourself into the ground for others. That's not the whole point of this life.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/smC0uyfvr_eR7PQtcWhy1raGWTnDM_WBTamOWDSKfFR4gX8XL4flaIrWdNlC8pxKS5-A0KWFJ7-9t4mIvzhA8AiVBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=732.49'>12:12</a>):</p>
<p>Something desperately wrong. And I came to say this to myself, if you're nicer to other people than you are to yourself, there's something wrong. Because even the way that sometimes we speak to ourselves, we're not very nice and we're not very good bosses to ourself. And if you think of yourself as would I tell another person to work wounded? Would I tell someone, I don't care that you don't feel good today, I need you to just show up anyway. You would never say that to another human being. So why do we treat ourselves? I'm so horrifically, it's not okay. We should be kind to ourselves. And again, it's like some of us won't even take two days off to just breathe. The world will not fall apart if you take two days off. It just will not. Maybe something will get a little messy. Maybe you'll miss something. Maybe you'll have to shift something around, but I promise you'll survive it. It won't all die. You didn't build a business that is on sand. Hopefully you didn't. Is it that fragile that if you take two days off, the world is going to fall apart? It really isn't. That's just in your own head.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c5W1BLsk3M5WGeXjQfKmx4Rnnoq4m-8q1mst5DKxmG6reK_S2f5T-g7CV5djVBWRt7S53aJwzSU8SjXz8tlw_lOVjXo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=804.85'>13:24</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And if you tell yourself, oh, but it'll be so inconvenient on the other side, trust. I've said that to myself. That's out of proportion too. It really is. We are not air traffic controllers. It may feel like we are sometimes, but we are not heart surgeons. We are not ER physicians. And guess what? Even they have someone on call for them after hours.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gUTTvTSPAilyRR6qvZi7tyNxijccW9xiJ6QYIfuqWtHhkFpan3hZVlU1tM5Zmv8inSm7mL9R44LTnZxAehzi6_gwmYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=832.72'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>They do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fnl9Y3HeFGonxFMF83ksILgiQN5I_aohxZQ-neNzvy3AebGlNuv7r2Ey0PYR_AUtpYVQc1bs--0XybQwbfreFghC41E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=833.68'>13:53</a>):</p>
<p>They will say, okay, I see you are not going to die in 36 hours. We will operate on you on Monday. And it's so true that recording in your head that you play for yourself is so important. And the way that you motivate yourself is so important because I used to do that too. I used to negatively motivate myself if I don't then. And that would give me what I needed to get through. And one day I just said, oh God, that's so stupid. Why am I doing this? This is ridiculous. And like you said, I would never dream of treating anyone else like that. I would quit. I'd be like, oh, sorry. Okay. You won't see me tomorrow. See me? Never.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G__Evpnmt2VYqlWhbBs7UU8maxVhK6GNaZV9yb8cAgrY2j71nTMIISDraZw7nngVoVKXQi26fYieHt6s16Q0mVKaGFM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=887.38'>14:47</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, sometimes I went through pretty serious things. Maybe it's not that serious. Maybe you're just feeling burnt out. By the way, I went through that too. So after I got through all of the other hearts, then got a full on whatever stage of life I'm in, crisis full on. It was not pretty. And I was feeling super burnt out from my job, and I thought that I just wanted to walk away. It just didn't even care. I'm like, I hate this. I cannot wait to be done with this.</p>
<p>So there's a trick for that too. And I think one of the common things is listening to that voice, listening to yourself, listening to your body, and taking some time to get to the root cause in dealing with it. So for me, the burnout was because there were just things that I didn't like doing anymore. I didn't hate my whole job. I just didn't like certain tasks. And I could then look at them clearly and say, okay, well, I think I want a new plan and there's a new direction that I want to take. And so then understanding what really energized me and paying attention to the things that I could just put my head down and do and time would just disappear because I was enjoying it. And I listened to what other people were telling me when they were saying, oh my God, you're so good at this.</p>
<p>So I found that light, and then I started walking towards the things that gave me that light. And so if that's you, I encourage you to pay attention to what other people are saying, how you're feeling throughout your day as you're doing your day-to-day job. Are there things that you're just avoiding and you're just like, Ugh, God, I hate this. But then are there things that you're like, I love this. I love when I get to do this because lean into the things that make you passionate and it's okay. We talked about this last week. Michelle said it perfectly that when you're in traditional jobs, you change jobs every couple of years. Some people every year. You don't do the same job year after year after year in the same exact way. It's okay to change it up. It really is lean into things that really make you happy. And that is going to be different in different years of your life, in different parts of your life, there are things that you're going to love and then maybe you don't love them anymore and it's okay to change. It's fine. You'll be fine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vMRufX1yyf5Z00aX2cA2bBAVHDxg8CqWt85FRtdhMBPe33piJw5DpiDklrsaTe5KAJpn4kNiXyiZ7n4Lf-PFiCRo_x4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1034.69'>17:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, we all change. You were a different person when you started your business, and I'm sure there were different reasons that we started our businesses. So we're going to change and give yourself that space. And even if you do need to hunker down and just get her done for a time, that doesn't have to be become your standard mode of operation. It's that huge adage, we train people how to treat us and just surmounting that is so big.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_7wRvuDCAl9X_4PvhRa0Vkhnk-47SMzEe7RuIkXMVbPlWhB_SFPOqTjXsgRBtYc8SSGNxitxwfGLL6u1dk4AAVjaRlk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.5'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>So big.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/26obA-DR8SVl0cS2CAjM2uvdvbSzm5FU8udgyiIJqDPyhBKLqvYrVqe1cjI1DIBfNIQcQTrDLRYNORW052RthR4215A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.74'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>Especially in a business where you feel like you must be available and always at the ready.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DevSRANFSBOTG4pPyXrjCw7Ib0h-Pat4fWEAmTjwoQY_GGnEkhKx6wZDV62kGfwAslBkrJe1F7ILX-ddbVcjXbOBDxw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1082.88'>18:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not always.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JMqoZMuUL3C0omeTbiXncg1cWJZ9GIZOoSLvjq7dWXj5_DNiFxz5gY54GZiS8Ufk5jJA6GENGmLb-7jTlnrr3534WOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1083.81'>18:03</a>):</p>
<p>No, not everything's a crisis. It's not horrible to establish those boundaries and to just give yourself the space that you need.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VNR2jebaOYkq3M9IqHS43fFV6lMr3brVYM_EOXULY1CBHmsnEy_HuWWktHBcL3NUfccGBl1U2EI22zIA-zgyAfkSFdU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.26'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And listen to other people who have been through this that are outside of this profession. If you want to Google <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/clarencebethea/'>Clarence Bethea</a>, he is a former client and a friend and has been such an inspiration because he is an entrepreneur who really went through a period of depression. And he is so open about what he went through as a founder, the pressure of building a company and everything that was on the line. And he's one of the most inspirational people that you will ever meet. He's fantastic. So even people that are not in the communication industry, they get it. Draw strength from what others have been through. Somebody else has walked a mile in your shoes already and can provide that guiding light. But we don't want people to just be out there alone and hurting. I would also say that one of the big reasons that we created Solo PR Pro in the first place is that so that you had community.</p>
<p>So you really are not alone. You do not have to be a paying member of our community to reach out to us and get support. We're still colleagues. We get it. And again, just sometimes sitting down with somebody or reaching out to somebody to say, Ugh, I just feel over it. What can I do? How do I get past this? Really helps to get past it. And Michelle, you talked about hunkering down. I feel like hunkering down to do the things that are necessary becomes a lot easier when you're planning to lean more into that thing that makes you happy. Because you can always flip that switch right away, but you can make the mental switch where you're like, oh my God, I found it. I found the thing that is making me so happy right now. And as you're working on that thing and working on the pivot, the other thing sort of then become less important. And I think it's because in our mind, we know that we're not with it. Like, okay, I'm not stuck doing this forever, so I can get that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QDvm6D6dunHzfcMCeEXOLkWNK7_MzJhNTxw01_3Q8RC8mDIbAb1pmna2DUQNdoixjSVBoFqOWXU2gWuLCgxgZe2Sthk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1220.91'>20:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it all comes down to just a basic notion of always have something to look forward to. How often don't we do that? How often don't we just make those little plans of, even if it's one thing a week, and again, I'm not saying it because I'm an expert at it, I'm saying it because I need to do it too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VKWNGKu3nsf0dUwoIt1L_d0fQntqjtYkNReAfrIZuOsVUVKDx8l2DdjjAcSYIcQvvzho7TzTq0pnfuNb7qkuYHtZ_4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1240.11'>20:40</a>):</p>
<p>There's a proverb that says, okay, now I forget where it is. But it's basically that the absence of hope makes the heart sick. So what you just said is 100% true. Without hope, we can become super depressed and burned out, and we lack hope when we allow ourselves to get down and tired, and then we spiral, and then that's all that we see, and we just keep circling the drain, and that's not good. So we want you to be recharged, re-energized, and excited about your professional life and your personal life.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v2_sZkIcUL1nJn3nfEP4m13sOdiONNAyTnsxEwUejJjA3dsOEEHENDr0JzW8KmG2vkHm44qUHed_1wujFf_zH1kEN-Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1276'>21:16</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. We so do well. We hope this has helped you. If you're nodding your head through it all, just please keep on keeping on and really carve out time for yourself. Just sit back and think. You don't have to spend a whole day on it, even 15, 20 minutes. Just have a little mental reset and reprioritize to get you through the day and then the week and on and on, and know that we are always here for you and Solo PR Pro is here for you. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR pros, communicators, we work in a unique environment. In an industry where we feel compelled to always be “on” and available, it’s challenging to make the time to work on our mental health. Know that you are not alone and know that taking that time is not only worth it, it’s essential.</p>
<p>Mental health is a topic we’ve addressed in a <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-land-of-the-wounded-mental-health-and-pr/'>previous episode</a> and in this <a href='https://soloprpro.com/the-unspoken-mental-health-struggles-in-public-relations/'>Solo PR Pro blog post</a>.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/olFOmBXK5BT4gFHd7sPhNDu8s0066t6jzjQFkxoq5ry73llCBFqUufXtCraUMOYs9HuNkvbUrzeRMF1J5nAVfGAqPDQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.52'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR Pros who work for themselves like me, Michelle Cain, and my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how's your day today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SzUcGIY-AvIU4Ml428_Rn0_q1pRMHGcNELX3oGiW1ST_zFKAVsDwG3R97VfYDHLV4RmBrX2_hioAM0d0xYzrzNDzMYk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.71'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I'm so good, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mmQH5eaDVMXcMDWkiYyKowoB0sXXjQccMpt5DuyW298AO0j_9RldNCyksjEZtjru-CBz70mpOZZYpK2wpRYUWIYe7WY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.77'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I’m good. I'm good. I'm a little bit toast. Had some major client events happen this weekend, and towards the end of the week, it seems like everything is decided to happen in the same two week period, which in this business is often beyond our control, so we tend to roll with it and get through as best we can. So yeah. How about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iTIpsSfoqIOe5J0wQSRcFvJif-EZJENFku53jtciCdvDs59x0lTpMbXmEqlGSyTZg9MXD89ItuATECtkYdyiDg4-G64?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.3'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Same. It feels like October has been, we know that, well, for us, the fall is usually busy, but I agree with you. It feels like there's all of a sudden 10 things happening on every day. There's meetings. There have been so many more meetings to go to so many more events, some of them all happening within the same set of days. And I think that that's probably a good segue into our topic today too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gX21qwxwa6inFEENIvh4-KZ9ERGg3XNPFUTkx_MjbvNeeWvM9rgkN1ZKu5sSq68quEeNgS_a-Ljmp4i9v3kwn1y9hJY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=82.62'>01:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes, it is. We're going to talk about which something we touch on often, and we're pretty sure there's reasons for that mental health, especially for those of us who work in the PR industry, the personality type that it takes to do this job. You're someone who's conscientious, always concerned about getting the details correct, and usually the one balancing all of the plates in the air and the many moving parts of things, not just for yourself and your business, but on behalf of your clients. So after a while, that tends to take a toll and we need to be cognizant of that.</p>
<p>I speak more from more of a viewpoint of hopefulness about this, but try and plan for that as part of the planning process that we do for our work.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MJ56601EXNg8gbXwDHVMaI2tPIWf0RbynUN7TFaWftLg01kcJ1zepwUrCS_1HG-BWZjgeH5TUBDGfYbcH2KpsvJ3Sr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=145.53'>02:25</a>):</p>
<p>I think it's so helpful to also have people that can help to pull you out of a spiral sometimes just saying things out loud to another human being who truly gets the work that you do in the same way that we talk to our friends, but many of us have friends that are not in our business, and so they can empathize on one level, but it really does help. So even if it means just hopping on a Zoom meeting with a fellow colleague and just having a virtual coffee and just chatting about stuff, just voicing it out loud, it can make you feel like you're not the only one struggling. It reaffirms us and it has a way of energizing us. And I know I recently just came to a whole new understanding that I am a big overthinker. I overthink everything, and in my head I'm always writing scenarios, and I have been like that since I was a kid, which makes me great for pr, but it's not so great when you are trying to have a peaceful stress-free life. It means that I have to work at that and I have to sometimes tell myself to stop overthinking everything and stop running scenarios and just enjoy life. Same. Take somebody else to say, don't overthink it because I'll overthink everything. And I'm always like, okay, but what if this happens? And what if this happens and I want to plan for all of it, all of us do because that's who we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ytX7Qiq52DL6fDqZJBRHdlBTCJPPVCucaSak6sVey7uN9UPtryeNTfN-XhNz6NEXH3WcbOK_sENmb0Tg_6-IX_XvkFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=241.27'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, totally, totally. Always thinking through, okay, well if this happens, then what all the “if thens” and to be ready for as much of anything as you can. And yeah, and that totally bleeds into my personal life too. I like to have a plan because I like the rest in knowing how a day is going to unfold. Not that I don't enjoy being spontaneous, so it can be loose. It can just be, oh, we're going to go to Philly, hang out and have dinner. Then I know, okay, that's enough of a plan for me at the moment.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z1DQc-4BafmiQ5BM1g3jcQbJusCl_T_uG8YYN7f_bjLOroaGQtAJG-RLsQF3UI-F7edjRcGwJkZEqw-Mobu2-JDKsVM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.5'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>I read the stat, and it's from a study last year, and they were saying that, or maybe it was 2021, they were saying that PR people feel guilty about taking time off from work for mental health reasons. And that breaks my heart because as business owners, as communication professionals, we should never treat mental health like it's separate from our overall health. And I know that many of us are also guilty of powering through everything. Looking at my wonderful co-host over here who recently worked through illness, we will power through it all, covid, pneumonia, broken bones, I mean seriously. And we have to stop doing that. It brings to mind Simone Biles, who at the top of her game, the GOAT, and she had to walk away from her job to take care of her mind, and she did. She lived her life. She walked away. No one even knew if she was coming back and I that maybe some of you are thinking, well, she had the financial resources to be able to do that, but it still is a matter of being strong enough to choose yourself and to prioritize your own health and not continue to risk it day after day by showing up with just fragments of yourself. And so maybe you don't take, what did she do, take like a year or two off?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q9si8x_eEGEw6doIs9k5FYMd-FK7lkHnKl-iZjy3dlR-mIErIoUuKB8cbe9U3tlioiXrXXOyjH6WBOzBZPK7Ae9_ooI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=384.41'>06:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, she got married…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RL8vy161sotLQNHf5eUPWf9VFVd43w2_CnDwCNtmUoT0lIf5EKbP9P7vhLNInc1_BMzz3y9X6Ai3LSCYxSBwmZsV0eU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.95'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>She came back and she blew through every record and became even greater. And I think that we need to keep that story in mind that it's okay to walk away. What does that look like for us who are solos? It means maybe it means sharing work with another person. Maybe it means teaming up with a colleague. And even if you're not teaming up to work on every single account together, maybe it means teaming up as backup. Maybe you backup each other up. Maybe you form an agreement where it's like, Hey, can you take the lead for me for a week and make sure that you keep the communications going? And I mean, it will take some work for you guys to develop a system, but take some pressure off. If you have a junior person that's working with you, let them handle communications. Tell them, train them how to do things in your absence. A lot of times it's not about, because you don't have to set strategy every single day. There's a lot of tactical things that can keep trains running and on the tracks while you take some downtime. Do not be afraid to walk away because I promise you it's better to pull back and to care for yourself than to show up broken.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rH-LJtmZ0dVq3shb1sZVI6TAl9jGpmRelxF_NoRWR-Yp5_387Es1wprVbUKHKgafit2pW4DNiuitOh1QRHw7WLNW7DA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.27'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so true. And it was funny, I was speaking with someone last week. We both recently had Covid. They got over theirs much more quickly. And I said, well, you took off. I didn't. And I know that. I know that, and I think it's one of the reasons I do that is because you think, ah, what's my work? I'm sitting at a keyboard that's kind of restful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_9Nshzhx9xZxxrZbY3aabrK7WcbDuaoLKP4kdsDgCF7khvTN1hRoa296f4DkIgqu7_HQoIa7V0hg6MqxGaB5jW5iJyU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=492.83'>08:12</a>):</p>
<p>It's not.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qVY1lddPQSoVn-R61XKdSlC4__3utmP4vIuh4HuTOxyMmetgZHihwsvtOI--cvewzsjmFVrUl-HfZpVeBUQ4Bb7Z4aA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=493.67'>08:13</a>):</p>
<p>No, no,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uf4q6KryN_OJGhDZsF5YO-c8kgkdYju9TmKfn1V6N0Izdr7uYtV5FrUWOfpSlAYudle_2wL1zM31AKvsloAeAGoESpo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=494.6'>08:14</a>):</p>
<p>It's not.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7RaEtbE6z6gc7QH8aT76FRzuNP8d8y79iSc6Je8pkIu99gnhOej3XT_2B9CxBtWU1T9iuc6zGyThDh4Dd3EVFKg8gRg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=495.47'>08:15</a>):</p>
<p>So as I say, not as I do,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AxRK_mpbcwuAkHFxRKkvS5cEvYiflkXrgvBoPIfkTetd3Xt8zTqZhZ7UMa-e2DHGy3xhcwohKkF7HCRV4-V_VG__GxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=500.9'>08:20</a>):</p>
<p>I'll share in full transparency that the past couple of years are really hard for me. I lost a brother and I spiraled, I was having panic attacks, and then I went through a really bad depression. I just wasn't myself. And I made a decision with my colleague Carolyn, because she also had back to back. She lost both of her parents back to back. We were just at the end of ourselves. And so we made the decision not to do any business development and we didn't took care of the clients that we had. We backed each other up. We do have other team members that we can tap into, but we just took care of ourselves. I needed every single second of that. And I share this because I'm not only a solo, I'm single and I am my only source of income. So it's kind of a big deal to pull the brakes and to let the chips fall as they may. During that time, we did have clients that fell off. We had projects that ended. We had clients that had to pull back because of budgets. And rather than operating in a place of fear and lack, I just trusted that it would all work out because I knew that I wasn't there yet. I wasn't ready.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZZiEAI5F7QUI0E7VqhT-pSYnfGIUD0QELjRiMFuZItoO2-0a9MFif0onY3P_XxTs_3f0O5UNN4oqXAutnOh883EJXAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=580.89'>09:40</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think you knew deep down you were doing the right thing. And it does come to a point, and I'll hold myself accountable to that too. It's like at some point you can be doing a disservice by pushing yourself too hard, also being single, it's scary to make that choice because it's like, Hey, it's just me pulling  this wagon up the hill. But you can take breaks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PSPz76T2-ROdCaFNHrDBd320ix5FC0Rap7NoJtApf64KNi3qbdhAXuFhWTVbTWZIFjefsbg3TChJ-qh1Pm_s3gk7WDk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=609.39'>10:09</a>):</p>
<p>And I shared that because I want people to know that that thing that you are so afraid of is really not that scary. Was my bank account exactly where I wanted it to be? Not exactly, but I also didn't end up homeless. I was able to still pay all of my bills. Life kept moving on and it was fine. And Mike, many of you where I had that fear where I thought, oh, and a lot of times we push ourselves for those reasons I can't take off. I got a kid in college or kids in college or Oh my God, what am I going to do? It's just me. I need to do. Sometimes you don't. You really don't. And you need to just take the time. And I took an extended time and I let a lot of things fall to the ground, unfortunately. And you have to let go of the guilt too, because it is what it is. I'm a human being. I'm not perfect. I didn't have it all together. I wasn't ready. I was not okay at all. I really was not okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WO-JpT8AwQcOuVM63_Yx3Qcnf51jtksQzTeHr5KxnWF3MPflkZnaJo9zTAjGHEA5Qp9Bh_eKd5hoTQAM2fw1Fdd8hD8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=673.92'>11:13</a>):</p>
<p>I think that was the wisest thing that you could have done for yourself. And we do talk about this a lot too, the difference in the generations. I think us being X and silent, we still have that workhorse mentality of you got to do the things to get things done. And also speaking for myself, growing up in the faith community I grew up in, there was a lot of talk of grace and rest, but a whole lot of, well, we got to do all the things and we got to do 'em today and don't slack and blah, blah, blah. And I am still actively unlearning that aspect because I know it. That is not correct. You shouldn't be grinding yourself into the ground for others. That's not the whole point of this life.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/smC0uyfvr_eR7PQtcWhy1raGWTnDM_WBTamOWDSKfFR4gX8XL4flaIrWdNlC8pxKS5-A0KWFJ7-9t4mIvzhA8AiVBTY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=732.49'>12:12</a>):</p>
<p>Something desperately wrong. And I came to say this to myself, if you're nicer to other people than you are to yourself, there's something wrong. Because even the way that sometimes we speak to ourselves, we're not very nice and we're not very good bosses to ourself. And if you think of yourself as would I tell another person to work wounded? Would I tell someone, I don't care that you don't feel good today, I need you to just show up anyway. You would never say that to another human being. So why do we treat ourselves? I'm so horrifically, it's not okay. We should be kind to ourselves. And again, it's like some of us won't even take two days off to just breathe. The world will not fall apart if you take two days off. It just will not. Maybe something will get a little messy. Maybe you'll miss something. Maybe you'll have to shift something around, but I promise you'll survive it. It won't all die. You didn't build a business that is on sand. Hopefully you didn't. Is it that fragile that if you take two days off, the world is going to fall apart? It really isn't. That's just in your own head.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c5W1BLsk3M5WGeXjQfKmx4Rnnoq4m-8q1mst5DKxmG6reK_S2f5T-g7CV5djVBWRt7S53aJwzSU8SjXz8tlw_lOVjXo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=804.85'>13:24</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And if you tell yourself, oh, but it'll be so inconvenient on the other side, trust. I've said that to myself. That's out of proportion too. It really is. We are not air traffic controllers. It may feel like we are sometimes, but we are not heart surgeons. We are not ER physicians. And guess what? Even they have someone on call for them after hours.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gUTTvTSPAilyRR6qvZi7tyNxijccW9xiJ6QYIfuqWtHhkFpan3hZVlU1tM5Zmv8inSm7mL9R44LTnZxAehzi6_gwmYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=832.72'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>They do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fnl9Y3HeFGonxFMF83ksILgiQN5I_aohxZQ-neNzvy3AebGlNuv7r2Ey0PYR_AUtpYVQc1bs--0XybQwbfreFghC41E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=833.68'>13:53</a>):</p>
<p>They will say, okay, I see you are not going to die in 36 hours. We will operate on you on Monday. And it's so true that recording in your head that you play for yourself is so important. And the way that you motivate yourself is so important because I used to do that too. I used to negatively motivate myself if I don't then. And that would give me what I needed to get through. And one day I just said, oh God, that's so stupid. Why am I doing this? This is ridiculous. And like you said, I would never dream of treating anyone else like that. I would quit. I'd be like, oh, sorry. Okay. You won't see me tomorrow. See me? Never.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G__Evpnmt2VYqlWhbBs7UU8maxVhK6GNaZV9yb8cAgrY2j71nTMIISDraZw7nngVoVKXQi26fYieHt6s16Q0mVKaGFM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=887.38'>14:47</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, sometimes I went through pretty serious things. Maybe it's not that serious. Maybe you're just feeling burnt out. By the way, I went through that too. So after I got through all of the other hearts, then got a full on whatever stage of life I'm in, crisis full on. It was not pretty. And I was feeling super burnt out from my job, and I thought that I just wanted to walk away. It just didn't even care. I'm like, I hate this. I cannot wait to be done with this.</p>
<p>So there's a trick for that too. And I think one of the common things is listening to that voice, listening to yourself, listening to your body, and taking some time to get to the root cause in dealing with it. So for me, the burnout was because there were just things that I didn't like doing anymore. I didn't hate my whole job. I just didn't like certain tasks. And I could then look at them clearly and say, okay, well, I think I want a new plan and there's a new direction that I want to take. And so then understanding what really energized me and paying attention to the things that I could just put my head down and do and time would just disappear because I was enjoying it. And I listened to what other people were telling me when they were saying, oh my God, you're so good at this.</p>
<p>So I found that light, and then I started walking towards the things that gave me that light. And so if that's you, I encourage you to pay attention to what other people are saying, how you're feeling throughout your day as you're doing your day-to-day job. Are there things that you're just avoiding and you're just like, Ugh, God, I hate this. But then are there things that you're like, I love this. I love when I get to do this because lean into the things that make you passionate and it's okay. We talked about this last week. Michelle said it perfectly that when you're in traditional jobs, you change jobs every couple of years. Some people every year. You don't do the same job year after year after year in the same exact way. It's okay to change it up. It really is lean into things that really make you happy. And that is going to be different in different years of your life, in different parts of your life, there are things that you're going to love and then maybe you don't love them anymore and it's okay to change. It's fine. You'll be fine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vMRufX1yyf5Z00aX2cA2bBAVHDxg8CqWt85FRtdhMBPe33piJw5DpiDklrsaTe5KAJpn4kNiXyiZ7n4Lf-PFiCRo_x4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1034.69'>17:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, we all change. You were a different person when you started your business, and I'm sure there were different reasons that we started our businesses. So we're going to change and give yourself that space. And even if you do need to hunker down and just get her done for a time, that doesn't have to be become your standard mode of operation. It's that huge adage, we train people how to treat us and just surmounting that is so big.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_7wRvuDCAl9X_4PvhRa0Vkhnk-47SMzEe7RuIkXMVbPlWhB_SFPOqTjXsgRBtYc8SSGNxitxwfGLL6u1dk4AAVjaRlk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.5'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>So big.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/26obA-DR8SVl0cS2CAjM2uvdvbSzm5FU8udgyiIJqDPyhBKLqvYrVqe1cjI1DIBfNIQcQTrDLRYNORW052RthR4215A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1072.74'>17:52</a>):</p>
<p>Especially in a business where you feel like you must be available and always at the ready.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DevSRANFSBOTG4pPyXrjCw7Ib0h-Pat4fWEAmTjwoQY_GGnEkhKx6wZDV62kGfwAslBkrJe1F7ILX-ddbVcjXbOBDxw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1082.88'>18:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not always.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JMqoZMuUL3C0omeTbiXncg1cWJZ9GIZOoSLvjq7dWXj5_DNiFxz5gY54GZiS8Ufk5jJA6GENGmLb-7jTlnrr3534WOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1083.81'>18:03</a>):</p>
<p>No, not everything's a crisis. It's not horrible to establish those boundaries and to just give yourself the space that you need.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VNR2jebaOYkq3M9IqHS43fFV6lMr3brVYM_EOXULY1CBHmsnEy_HuWWktHBcL3NUfccGBl1U2EI22zIA-zgyAfkSFdU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.26'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And listen to other people who have been through this that are outside of this profession. If you want to Google <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/clarencebethea/'>Clarence Bethea</a>, he is a former client and a friend and has been such an inspiration because he is an entrepreneur who really went through a period of depression. And he is so open about what he went through as a founder, the pressure of building a company and everything that was on the line. And he's one of the most inspirational people that you will ever meet. He's fantastic. So even people that are not in the communication industry, they get it. Draw strength from what others have been through. Somebody else has walked a mile in your shoes already and can provide that guiding light. But we don't want people to just be out there alone and hurting. I would also say that one of the big reasons that we created Solo PR Pro in the first place is that so that you had community.</p>
<p>So you really are not alone. You do not have to be a paying member of our community to reach out to us and get support. We're still colleagues. We get it. And again, just sometimes sitting down with somebody or reaching out to somebody to say, Ugh, I just feel over it. What can I do? How do I get past this? Really helps to get past it. And Michelle, you talked about hunkering down. I feel like hunkering down to do the things that are necessary becomes a lot easier when you're planning to lean more into that thing that makes you happy. Because you can always flip that switch right away, but you can make the mental switch where you're like, oh my God, I found it. I found the thing that is making me so happy right now. And as you're working on that thing and working on the pivot, the other thing sort of then become less important. And I think it's because in our mind, we know that we're not with it. Like, okay, I'm not stuck doing this forever, so I can get that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QDvm6D6dunHzfcMCeEXOLkWNK7_MzJhNTxw01_3Q8RC8mDIbAb1pmna2DUQNdoixjSVBoFqOWXU2gWuLCgxgZe2Sthk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1220.91'>20:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it all comes down to just a basic notion of always have something to look forward to. How often don't we do that? How often don't we just make those little plans of, even if it's one thing a week, and again, I'm not saying it because I'm an expert at it, I'm saying it because I need to do it too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VKWNGKu3nsf0dUwoIt1L_d0fQntqjtYkNReAfrIZuOsVUVKDx8l2DdjjAcSYIcQvvzho7TzTq0pnfuNb7qkuYHtZ_4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1240.11'>20:40</a>):</p>
<p>There's a proverb that says, okay, now I forget where it is. But it's basically that the absence of hope makes the heart sick. So what you just said is 100% true. Without hope, we can become super depressed and burned out, and we lack hope when we allow ourselves to get down and tired, and then we spiral, and then that's all that we see, and we just keep circling the drain, and that's not good. So we want you to be recharged, re-energized, and excited about your professional life and your personal life.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v2_sZkIcUL1nJn3nfEP4m13sOdiONNAyTnsxEwUejJjA3dsOEEHENDr0JzW8KmG2vkHm44qUHed_1wujFf_zH1kEN-Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1276'>21:16</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. We so do well. We hope this has helped you. If you're nodding your head through it all, just please keep on keeping on and really carve out time for yourself. Just sit back and think. You don't have to spend a whole day on it, even 15, 20 minutes. Just have a little mental reset and reprioritize to get you through the day and then the week and on and on, and know that we are always here for you and Solo PR Pro is here for you. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Mental health is a topic we’ve addressed in a previous episode and in this Solo PR Pro blog post.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR Pros who work for themselves like me, Michelle Cain, and my company VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how's your day today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Oh, I'm so good, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:22):
I’m good. I'm good. I'm a little bit toast. Had some major client events happen this weekend, and towards the end of the week, it seems like everything is decided to happen in the same two week period, which in this business is often beyond our control, so we tend to roll with it and get through as best we can. So yeah. How about you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:51):
Same. It feels like October has been, we know that, well, for us, the fall is usually busy, but I agree with you. It feels like there's all of a sudden 10 things happening on every day. There's meetings. There have been so many more meetings to go to so many more events, some of them all happening within the same set of days. And I think that that's probably a good segue into our topic today too.
Michelle Kane (01:22):
Yes, yes, it is. We're going to talk about which something we touch on often, and we're pretty sure there's reasons for that mental health, especially for those of us who work in the PR industry, the personality type that it takes to do this job. You're someone who's conscientious, always concerned about getting the details correct, and usually the one balancing all of the plates in the air and the many moving parts of things, not just for yourself and your business, but on behalf of your clients. So after a while, that tends to take a toll and we need to be cognizant of that.
I speak more from more of a viewpoint of hopefulness about this, but try and plan for that as part of the planning process that we do for our work.
Karen Swim, APR (02:25):
I think it's so helpful to also have people that can help to pull you out of a spiral sometimes just saying things out loud to another human being who truly gets the work that you do in the same way that we talk to our friends, but many of us have friends that are not in our business, and so they can empathize on one level, but it really does help. So even if it means just hopping on a Zoom meeting with a fellow colleague and just having a virtual coffee and just chatting about stuff, just voicing it out loud, it can make you feel like you're not the only one struggling. It reaffirms us and it has a way of energizing us. And I know I recently just came to a whole new understanding that I am a big overthinker. I overthink everything, and in my head I'm always writing scenarios, and I have been like that since I was a kid, which makes me great for pr, but it's not so great when you are trying to have a peaceful stress-free life. It means that I have to work at that and I have to sometimes tell myself to stop overthinking everything and stop running scenarios and just enjoy life. Same. Take somebody else to say, don't overthink it because I'll overthink everything. And I'm always like, okay, but what if this happens? And what if this happens and I want to plan for all of it, all of us do because that's who we are.
Michelle Kane (04:01):
Oh, totally, totally. Always thinking through, okay, well if this happens, then what all the “if thens” and to be ready for as much of anything as you can. And yeah, and that totally bleeds into my personal life too. I like to have a plan because I like the rest in knowing how a day is going to unfold. Not that I don't enjoy bein]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We just entered Q4 of 2023. How did we get here so quickly? If your energy and creativity are lagging, you need to listen to this episode.</p>
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<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-pr-pros-can-find-their-secret-sauce/'>Here’s the link to the blog referenced in today’s episode, “How PR Pros Can Find Their Secret Sauce” </a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R52_4zkgQDXcvELuEVoZtikWMPEhgkJNMleJpEp6KSPvSKYUbxXv6gIxReD3_Q25TCvYcYysXswm_dSW44b9VXTV8mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.85'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers working for themselves. Like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, we are back again.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fr1CXnhSeXcjXIAteaVi0TpT9VtfRObQ0X6a4XW62oCC1c7zi7ZM-co-KJVcRai3hIU2unHmDA7g6dh2WoRlAWAY8FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.87'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>We are here!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lyAP392Gp9s17KKXRuZECOr1jmOmN3IN2ER7ovwdp1zuIZdSDzdUO7XPijwq91qXnAmAz7F7Hj5aADJqEIUMkn28HWE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.83'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. Speaking of, we thought today would be a great day. We're looking at the end of the calendar pages and we thought it would be a perfect time to talk about keeping ourselves motivated. How do we keep our motivation momentum as we enter into this fourth quarter? And I don't know, I think for so many of us, we're just tired. We're just weather subconsciously or consciously tired from these past several years now of stuff.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rf29mEoAkRJb53IrLSehb8le0JQyi1XKLM_3AL79Ylu2iPEA4w-Wp43vWECdS4qsABjwT1yGpH7j-BPax9Q5odf4ATA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=66.69'>01:06</a>):</p>
<p>And as we record this, it's a particularly interesting time in that we continue to say post pandemic because it's not that far behind us. And now Covid also is popping its head up quite fiercely again. And so we're seeing more cases come back and I felt like we were still finding our footing after the pandemic and still trying to fill out what normal really was, and the ground is shifting under our feet once again. So it is an interesting time, and I don't know about everyone else, but I feel I'm tired, but I also have maybe excited energy. So there's that combination of being excited about the last quarter of 2023 and the things that are happening and the things that are in place that will set me up for 2024, but also just tired, fatigued. If we could end the year today, I would really be okay with that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gpY3C1hxWXLNMfaJpcPv7Uhn6Vx3tTva4phbkdfbdTADIMj000DBEnBHeDgWyspCwrM81bC6-eP6Q0Lqnrldd_5dO48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.52'>02:14</a>):</p>
<p>I am with you. No, it's interesting. I mean, there's so much that goes into keeping you motivated, right? I mean, some of us may have client work that is samey-same, and there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes you just get that multi-year itch about it, which you could flip that into saying, well, can we change things up to be more beneficial? How can we just reinvigorate ourselves about it? But from the broader spectrum, it's also keeping ourselves invigorated about our day to day</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/us2mME8SdG8ZQkEp2Igu2Tb9cr1cMYJ0fkoHpIkvt8MXovrauLT889z4nQXFvgsGkUQMukscjRiiDP6nh2aB2tV0UQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=173.46'>02:53</a>):</p>
<p>Just staying excited about the job or thinking, well, why am I feeling this way? Aside from the general global malaise and freakout that's been hampering us for all this time, I think of myself. For me, I do big crises really well. If something big happens in life, I'm like, okay, let's handle it. Let's get through it. Let's get through it. And then if I drop a pen, then I just lose it. So I have to wonder if as a society, if that's kind of where we're at, we all got through the big massive thing pretty much, and now we're just, now we have the crash. So I think we just need to keep that in mind as we go about our businesses and our work days and our personal things, and just remember to be kind to ourselves, be patient with ourselves and realize that as much as we might like to go back to autopilot for a lot of things, we're not there yet.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k_atilATjOyDUcgmDyvObrU4lp4wNF_aai7Rc3mKfv3SeEpWesVyLyN5XGzDUXfzWFJEI4CC5zAO7wKSrvttFTsS3Ek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.1'>03:54</a>):</p>
<p>I also think at this time of year, we've gone through nine months. We're in this final stretch for a lot of people. Fall is very busy. It's event season. It's just a lot going on, a lot of moving parts. And so you can start to feel your energy levels flagging at this point of the year. So some things that you can do to make sure that you continue that momentum of the year and keep things on track is one is that you could revisit your schedule. This is a great time to start looking at pulling things off and be more effective, be more efficient. Sometimes we're just go, go, go. And we've added all of these things. So what can you remove from your schedule? How can you be more efficient and spend less time doing things if you need help? There's some great books out there like Essentialism, which I loved because it really forces you to look at how you prioritize your time and blocking things out worked for me, really love it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n7nHXxlB4d86JHkFLo9_WCrHiQWa0JFOuf1T2LQXzMFnGYN7rqP_5ZBGpSn-4NHwyknsoGGwBbM2u-ouHGfaY-JH_aQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.9'>04:55</a>):</p>
<p>I need to read it again. Then there's a book that I've been hearing a lot of good things about the 12 Day Year. So take a look at your time management and think about, okay, as I go into this last quarter, what can I do to be efficient? And maybe it means eliminating some things and tabling some things for next year because this is already a busy time of year. I think you can also sustain momentum by ensuring that you're refueling your creativity. So in this fourth quarter, what can you tweak to make things a little bit different? How can you approach these Q four campaigns just a little bit differently? Sometimes we deal with clients so much, I want to say this in a super kind way, but clients have a way of sometimes just no matter what we do, they will slip back into the corporate persona hole and it can whittle away at your creative energy sometimes because we can be wildly creative and then they dial us back.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DDXVnhKvAf2GqZ172jGIi5LtebSnrvKksnymAfieYsuripD85L9FcojH5DEOr4G6KdVZSbmG9_Tm4Wq9dELkPX5ub9Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.92'>06:06</a>):</p>
<p>So spend a few days or a few hours each day or just take some time out and start to think about unleash your wild creative side again, because within that you know that they're going to probably have you dial it back, but it energizes you to just pick off all the boundaries. Forget about what they said, no to forget about who they are, because sometimes we kind of get into this mindset of thinking, okay, they'll never do that. And so then we don't go there in our head because we feel like it's a waste of time. But again, this is about refreshing you, and a lot of times when you do that, just take off all boundaries. If I could do anything that I wanted for this client, anything, and they would totally go for it, how would I approach this in there somewhere is something new that you probably could get past them and that will make you excited again. And that excitement means everything.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ybP9_8I3FAJWZ-13e6l7gp2lFxDWrVPKjqTr58Q_FnpWKPXKh8QUjTW0k676wuI-MIOQD-rFji1LyiuaUlO6lJMXIdA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.52'>07:07</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true, so true. And it also communicates that you're invested in their success. I would say a partner activity to that would be to make sure you're fueling yourself creatively. I know it's so easy for all of us and hello, I'm the worst culprit. You're just getting things done. You skip. You think going to a movie's too frivolous, I don't have time for a walk. Those are the things that refill your cup and you have to keep your cup full so that you're able to, I mean, I'm sure we've all worked ourselves to the bone where we're just dry. It's like I got nothing</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iSvT1XgPhcQFxfUkHS5zZyZMkpUKzS0M_kqw6JgCqyYWHZNfLpaApfWnZgoBDE09cEBOYMnTl4qd9zpEOGoc_pSsuIc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.9'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. Totally been there, but it is possible to regroup. It's interesting on the solo blog this week, if you haven't visited our blog, we tackled a topic lightly on your secret sauce. And as we go on in business, we all hit a point, and sometimes it's seasonal, but sometimes it's just a point in our business where we just were bored, we're restless, or you're just not feeling it for whatever reason. Maybe you can't even put your finger on it. Dialing down some levels and really finding that secret sauce could mean a little bit of a tweak to the services that you deliver to how you deliver them. And so some of the things right now that you can pay attention to as you set yourself up for 2024 is what is that thing that when you're doing it, when your head's down, you are just in your zone and you don't even notice time passing?</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2l26BmnSUjv_yiSw9wb1RtcSfTLixi7qjLNoFrUKWOVC9cXxPeEBla7bPtIyTVyXwnOqrWgTbJtkQKCfUS1NUOGvGmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=531.35'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>Do more of that because that's a telltale sign that that's your secret sauce. That's something that you really love. What's the thing that you want to continue to learn about? If there's something that you keep wanting to just, you want to take classes, you want to do workshops, you want to investigate, you want to learn more, you want to get better at it, do more of that. Lean into the things that are really calling you, because sometimes we have gone along and we've offered our services as just a regular roster, PR services, and you might be missing that secret sauce that could really be uniquely yours in your business. A few examples, I met someone, a colleague in the UK, and she was doing these thought leadership programs where she brought together global thought leaders via a YouTube channel. So she would go out and they would record them and do the whole thing, but she was doing full on PR.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxzyxMr5XNsx9eIVfy5rpJiXI0c2ipNYrvN-Z-nsrFD_QmtbosBc4ysz8uJ-cX8_ErMyNWsEcVFW9Eq87Se9H-16iEI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=591.21'>09:51</a>):</p>
<p>Well, she loved it, and she ended up pivoting into that and she was living her best life winning awards, growing her team, scaling her business because she leaned into something that she was really passionate about. If there's something that when you talk about a particular area PR and people go, wow, they lean in and they listen as you're talking about and they want to learn more, or people have commented, I said this to my colleague Carolyn recently, I'm like, you light up when you talk about this. What's the thing that you light up about when you talk about it? This is a good time of year to say, huh, maybe I'm feeling tired or burned out or restless because I'm not doing enough of this thing That really is my unique calling, my secret sauce, the thing that really jazzes me up for me these days, media relations and me are having a moment and I am not feeling the joy all the time just to be transparent, not feeling the joy. But there are other things that have me super excited and I am leaning into those areas more and really trying to pivot pretty precisely to that area over the next year. So maybe maintaining momentum may mean that you make a little bit of a shift or that you a plan to make the shift because we know you can't always turn the boat around on a dime, but if you start moving in that direction, that alone will energize you for the rest of this year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Kja7dA8-4-2QwMtzNzHIIybkMqSRMZ4M0HNOFmg9aH7ZtdWZEyDWKEBZnzjXaQy5CkOptmoL0jUM63ckSnRVsWuf81s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=692.73'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>And it really is all about the energy that you bring to anything that you're doing. And I love that you've framed it that way because sometimes our lack of excitement, our lack of initiative, I mean that in and of itself is a sign. That's a message that we should be receiving. As long as you can disregard, okay, do I just need a big nap or is this something more, is there something more to this? So dig in, investigate that, and I think that's the wonderful thing about the work that we do. There are so many possibilities that I know when we've got those blinders on and we're doing the thing that we've always done, and we just do our thing. Hey, we also have bills to pay. So you are looking to hit your numbers for the month, but I really encourage you and I'm encouraging myself.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sZVK5tNUzWfslUlxU1YHRzN5sbbNXweSgyzdj1cqsP8JYWclh_96AlN8Res_ecPbq_ZMJt8azs9w-gZgKSZaVH_AAyc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=747.16'>12:27</a>):</p>
<p>Take a couple of hours and just sit and go, huh, okay, how's this going? What do I really like? What don't I, what kind of clients do I want to go after? What kind of work am I really doing? I mean, look, we're going to change. What do they say? I don't know. I'm not going to point to anything specific, but isn't it like every seven years? Sometimes it's a seven year itch, but I think there's more to it. You just naturally become predisposed. I mean, I always say I worked in the nonprofit world for 15 years, but I always say if that role had not changed every several years, I would not have been there that long because I would've been like, I continued to be challenged. I continued to be fed by it, by the different roles that I was asked to fill.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eEsjhG1yhkCyX6i5Uv_5ErQmHovIOXetNKj7_wo6xjHoDAEAwsfsKpXb_HysSa5Bgwvs_EEwZjncnufMGI15jC8Qy4Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=802.54'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>And that helps too. So I think it just comes down to sitting with yourself, which I know is uncomfortable sometimes, and just say, Hey, what do I like today? Why do I, and it could be even as simple as also how is your day structured? Is it time to shake that up? It could be just as simple as don't right away sit down with your email and your coffee. Maybe it's work on a passion project for an hour before you start answering to everyone else, whatever that is for you. We really encourage you to spend some time on that because I just know that that will spark something good for you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6vG3sBRMJJfgvRBwVPuy2OoS24nWpOpG1oOkguvAt0UmFbDtPG5V1O3oXmisXFGLCRBi_V1sb7GJMMct2oApE2tz5-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=849.58'>14:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love what you just said too about being in nonprofit that your job changed. It reminded me that when we were all in, excuse me, in jobs, we didn't stay in one job our entire career, we changed jobs, but when you own your own business, you really are the CEO and your job doesn't change. There's nowhere else to go except for out. You either sell your company or you retire when you shutter your agency. So you're right, Michelle, we need to remember that, that we, humans do crave a little bit of variety. And even if you are so passionate still, and this is your life's work, there's still some variety that you can infuse to keep your energy levels high and to keep you excited about what you do. Because doing the same job year after year after year after year can get pretty stale.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1fUfnWGZvNWKXnUi53v_h8FI6TmAIJUMEASJsYC-aShqYszFvd8jiJ1LwBr5YBUs6AeHe4gy5Xl0bjP_m9we7JSOZXo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.73'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>And even if your clients are okay with that on one level, I always like to think, but we can always be better, even if they're comfy, get out of your comfort zone clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MP6ET1vykfZjBC56xOMuRHNK4UkI8sfgYgtjri7wlbEIhfFM4w8D-jC0U01AGW_DN7R5nBOg3WpECiWcfSI_5zc7Q3M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926.21'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, push them out their comfort zone. You will be surprised. I mean, we just had this happen twice, one in a smaller way and one in a big way where we went full on unleash the creative juices and let it fly and said, we don't care if they think we're insane. And you know what? Our client was like, this is why I love you guys. I love you. They were so excited because they know we're creative. They hired us because we're creative and smart. So don't dull your shine even for your clients. Just keep that going and force them to come to the light. Don't go to the dark side. Force them into the light,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ubxn_Ms-g_it-1fF1E4t8_6Rh9MHNXgzLgt2BpEqFs1xr_53PJBkDa-w4z3kTyu_A1vvdeFxM9KdFdN3sDVETKuWWCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=973.34'>16:13</a>):</p>
<p>And I get it. Sometimes you think, ugh, but you don't understand. They never want to do anything fun, and I get it. That can be really energy zapping over time. So sometimes you just got to say, who caress? I'm still going to say the crazy thing. Okay,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S49L3K98eNSRZER4hGtXiKq6XRjVU5v4EHggIRBOAE5FO5LE9kJXjr4fZCxOiWFeN9xFRfYZrm-ikCS1muEUv-y5yQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=996.44'>16:36</a>):</p>
<p>100%. Because they need to remember why they engage with you in the first place. So don't lose that special thing that they hired you for just because they're too buddy duddy to really appreciate it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SQZujX4wNVlXYKxX7NtjtGewoTcnzhpMkZ-qeW6dm58ujaaVTrLxSTXmDcMKAlVnhlf3-X97L2HDVUBlBpZyOoTaWgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1009.51'>16:49</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. They're probably secretly jealous, so that's okay too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zbLEHTE8Oq1j3ks74VMq7-nE1VWkaTpfXrFTx0c5INqMpdI4jltyoJNZtpIR85DAYEHD7GUsj2SzPrA0QrA_oB8k_M8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1016.12'>16:56</a>):</p>
<p>They know that they're going to have problems getting it through the corporate channels, and so they're afraid to let themselves dream.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VkNyp4dZb9j0IyNK5q4_her97z_F1nhdKwZRkxGJTFPhIU70nW2HJaM5eT0_MbrGoZq4pgX3KxlFAVnXeUQnQrjq9yw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.09'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. That's very true, and that's a great point too. So often it has nothing to do with you or your ideas. There are so many other factors that can get in the way. But well, we hope we've inspired you a bit. I think we've inspired ourselves a little bit, which is always a nice byproduct. But if you did get value from this, please do share it around with your friends. Check out the blog post that Karen just mentioned on solo pr pro.com. Hit us up with feedback there as well. We will put that blog post link in the show notes this week. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We just entered Q4 of 2023. How did we get here so quickly? If your energy and creativity are lagging, you need to listen to this episode.</p>
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<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-pr-pros-can-find-their-secret-sauce/'>Here’s the link to the blog referenced in today’s episode, “How PR Pros Can Find Their Secret Sauce” </a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R52_4zkgQDXcvELuEVoZtikWMPEhgkJNMleJpEp6KSPvSKYUbxXv6gIxReD3_Q25TCvYcYysXswm_dSW44b9VXTV8mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.85'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers working for themselves. Like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, we are back again.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fr1CXnhSeXcjXIAteaVi0TpT9VtfRObQ0X6a4XW62oCC1c7zi7ZM-co-KJVcRai3hIU2unHmDA7g6dh2WoRlAWAY8FM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.87'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>We are here!</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lyAP392Gp9s17KKXRuZECOr1jmOmN3IN2ER7ovwdp1zuIZdSDzdUO7XPijwq91qXnAmAz7F7Hj5aADJqEIUMkn28HWE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.83'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. Speaking of, we thought today would be a great day. We're looking at the end of the calendar pages and we thought it would be a perfect time to talk about keeping ourselves motivated. How do we keep our motivation momentum as we enter into this fourth quarter? And I don't know, I think for so many of us, we're just tired. We're just weather subconsciously or consciously tired from these past several years now of stuff.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rf29mEoAkRJb53IrLSehb8le0JQyi1XKLM_3AL79Ylu2iPEA4w-Wp43vWECdS4qsABjwT1yGpH7j-BPax9Q5odf4ATA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=66.69'>01:06</a>):</p>
<p>And as we record this, it's a particularly interesting time in that we continue to say post pandemic because it's not that far behind us. And now Covid also is popping its head up quite fiercely again. And so we're seeing more cases come back and I felt like we were still finding our footing after the pandemic and still trying to fill out what normal really was, and the ground is shifting under our feet once again. So it is an interesting time, and I don't know about everyone else, but I feel I'm tired, but I also have maybe excited energy. So there's that combination of being excited about the last quarter of 2023 and the things that are happening and the things that are in place that will set me up for 2024, but also just tired, fatigued. If we could end the year today, I would really be okay with that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gpY3C1hxWXLNMfaJpcPv7Uhn6Vx3tTva4phbkdfbdTADIMj000DBEnBHeDgWyspCwrM81bC6-eP6Q0Lqnrldd_5dO48?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=134.52'>02:14</a>):</p>
<p>I am with you. No, it's interesting. I mean, there's so much that goes into keeping you motivated, right? I mean, some of us may have client work that is samey-same, and there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes you just get that multi-year itch about it, which you could flip that into saying, well, can we change things up to be more beneficial? How can we just reinvigorate ourselves about it? But from the broader spectrum, it's also keeping ourselves invigorated about our day to day</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/us2mME8SdG8ZQkEp2Igu2Tb9cr1cMYJ0fkoHpIkvt8MXovrauLT889z4nQXFvgsGkUQMukscjRiiDP6nh2aB2tV0UQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=173.46'>02:53</a>):</p>
<p>Just staying excited about the job or thinking, well, why am I feeling this way? Aside from the general global malaise and freakout that's been hampering us for all this time, I think of myself. For me, I do big crises really well. If something big happens in life, I'm like, okay, let's handle it. Let's get through it. Let's get through it. And then if I drop a pen, then I just lose it. So I have to wonder if as a society, if that's kind of where we're at, we all got through the big massive thing pretty much, and now we're just, now we have the crash. So I think we just need to keep that in mind as we go about our businesses and our work days and our personal things, and just remember to be kind to ourselves, be patient with ourselves and realize that as much as we might like to go back to autopilot for a lot of things, we're not there yet.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k_atilATjOyDUcgmDyvObrU4lp4wNF_aai7Rc3mKfv3SeEpWesVyLyN5XGzDUXfzWFJEI4CC5zAO7wKSrvttFTsS3Ek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=234.1'>03:54</a>):</p>
<p>I also think at this time of year, we've gone through nine months. We're in this final stretch for a lot of people. Fall is very busy. It's event season. It's just a lot going on, a lot of moving parts. And so you can start to feel your energy levels flagging at this point of the year. So some things that you can do to make sure that you continue that momentum of the year and keep things on track is one is that you could revisit your schedule. This is a great time to start looking at pulling things off and be more effective, be more efficient. Sometimes we're just go, go, go. And we've added all of these things. So what can you remove from your schedule? How can you be more efficient and spend less time doing things if you need help? There's some great books out there like Essentialism, which I loved because it really forces you to look at how you prioritize your time and blocking things out worked for me, really love it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n7nHXxlB4d86JHkFLo9_WCrHiQWa0JFOuf1T2LQXzMFnGYN7rqP_5ZBGpSn-4NHwyknsoGGwBbM2u-ouHGfaY-JH_aQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=295.9'>04:55</a>):</p>
<p>I need to read it again. Then there's a book that I've been hearing a lot of good things about the 12 Day Year. So take a look at your time management and think about, okay, as I go into this last quarter, what can I do to be efficient? And maybe it means eliminating some things and tabling some things for next year because this is already a busy time of year. I think you can also sustain momentum by ensuring that you're refueling your creativity. So in this fourth quarter, what can you tweak to make things a little bit different? How can you approach these Q four campaigns just a little bit differently? Sometimes we deal with clients so much, I want to say this in a super kind way, but clients have a way of sometimes just no matter what we do, they will slip back into the corporate persona hole and it can whittle away at your creative energy sometimes because we can be wildly creative and then they dial us back.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DDXVnhKvAf2GqZ172jGIi5LtebSnrvKksnymAfieYsuripD85L9FcojH5DEOr4G6KdVZSbmG9_Tm4Wq9dELkPX5ub9Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=366.92'>06:06</a>):</p>
<p>So spend a few days or a few hours each day or just take some time out and start to think about unleash your wild creative side again, because within that you know that they're going to probably have you dial it back, but it energizes you to just pick off all the boundaries. Forget about what they said, no to forget about who they are, because sometimes we kind of get into this mindset of thinking, okay, they'll never do that. And so then we don't go there in our head because we feel like it's a waste of time. But again, this is about refreshing you, and a lot of times when you do that, just take off all boundaries. If I could do anything that I wanted for this client, anything, and they would totally go for it, how would I approach this in there somewhere is something new that you probably could get past them and that will make you excited again. And that excitement means everything.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ybP9_8I3FAJWZ-13e6l7gp2lFxDWrVPKjqTr58Q_FnpWKPXKh8QUjTW0k676wuI-MIOQD-rFji1LyiuaUlO6lJMXIdA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=427.52'>07:07</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true, so true. And it also communicates that you're invested in their success. I would say a partner activity to that would be to make sure you're fueling yourself creatively. I know it's so easy for all of us and hello, I'm the worst culprit. You're just getting things done. You skip. You think going to a movie's too frivolous, I don't have time for a walk. Those are the things that refill your cup and you have to keep your cup full so that you're able to, I mean, I'm sure we've all worked ourselves to the bone where we're just dry. It's like I got nothing</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iSvT1XgPhcQFxfUkHS5zZyZMkpUKzS0M_kqw6JgCqyYWHZNfLpaApfWnZgoBDE09cEBOYMnTl4qd9zpEOGoc_pSsuIc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=467.9'>07:47</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. Totally been there, but it is possible to regroup. It's interesting on the solo blog this week, if you haven't visited our blog, we tackled a topic lightly on your secret sauce. And as we go on in business, we all hit a point, and sometimes it's seasonal, but sometimes it's just a point in our business where we just were bored, we're restless, or you're just not feeling it for whatever reason. Maybe you can't even put your finger on it. Dialing down some levels and really finding that secret sauce could mean a little bit of a tweak to the services that you deliver to how you deliver them. And so some of the things right now that you can pay attention to as you set yourself up for 2024 is what is that thing that when you're doing it, when your head's down, you are just in your zone and you don't even notice time passing?</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2l26BmnSUjv_yiSw9wb1RtcSfTLixi7qjLNoFrUKWOVC9cXxPeEBla7bPtIyTVyXwnOqrWgTbJtkQKCfUS1NUOGvGmk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=531.35'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>Do more of that because that's a telltale sign that that's your secret sauce. That's something that you really love. What's the thing that you want to continue to learn about? If there's something that you keep wanting to just, you want to take classes, you want to do workshops, you want to investigate, you want to learn more, you want to get better at it, do more of that. Lean into the things that are really calling you, because sometimes we have gone along and we've offered our services as just a regular roster, PR services, and you might be missing that secret sauce that could really be uniquely yours in your business. A few examples, I met someone, a colleague in the UK, and she was doing these thought leadership programs where she brought together global thought leaders via a YouTube channel. So she would go out and they would record them and do the whole thing, but she was doing full on PR.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxzyxMr5XNsx9eIVfy5rpJiXI0c2ipNYrvN-Z-nsrFD_QmtbosBc4ysz8uJ-cX8_ErMyNWsEcVFW9Eq87Se9H-16iEI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=591.21'>09:51</a>):</p>
<p>Well, she loved it, and she ended up pivoting into that and she was living her best life winning awards, growing her team, scaling her business because she leaned into something that she was really passionate about. If there's something that when you talk about a particular area PR and people go, wow, they lean in and they listen as you're talking about and they want to learn more, or people have commented, I said this to my colleague Carolyn recently, I'm like, you light up when you talk about this. What's the thing that you light up about when you talk about it? This is a good time of year to say, huh, maybe I'm feeling tired or burned out or restless because I'm not doing enough of this thing That really is my unique calling, my secret sauce, the thing that really jazzes me up for me these days, media relations and me are having a moment and I am not feeling the joy all the time just to be transparent, not feeling the joy. But there are other things that have me super excited and I am leaning into those areas more and really trying to pivot pretty precisely to that area over the next year. So maybe maintaining momentum may mean that you make a little bit of a shift or that you a plan to make the shift because we know you can't always turn the boat around on a dime, but if you start moving in that direction, that alone will energize you for the rest of this year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Kja7dA8-4-2QwMtzNzHIIybkMqSRMZ4M0HNOFmg9aH7ZtdWZEyDWKEBZnzjXaQy5CkOptmoL0jUM63ckSnRVsWuf81s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=692.73'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>And it really is all about the energy that you bring to anything that you're doing. And I love that you've framed it that way because sometimes our lack of excitement, our lack of initiative, I mean that in and of itself is a sign. That's a message that we should be receiving. As long as you can disregard, okay, do I just need a big nap or is this something more, is there something more to this? So dig in, investigate that, and I think that's the wonderful thing about the work that we do. There are so many possibilities that I know when we've got those blinders on and we're doing the thing that we've always done, and we just do our thing. Hey, we also have bills to pay. So you are looking to hit your numbers for the month, but I really encourage you and I'm encouraging myself.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sZVK5tNUzWfslUlxU1YHRzN5sbbNXweSgyzdj1cqsP8JYWclh_96AlN8Res_ecPbq_ZMJt8azs9w-gZgKSZaVH_AAyc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=747.16'>12:27</a>):</p>
<p>Take a couple of hours and just sit and go, huh, okay, how's this going? What do I really like? What don't I, what kind of clients do I want to go after? What kind of work am I really doing? I mean, look, we're going to change. What do they say? I don't know. I'm not going to point to anything specific, but isn't it like every seven years? Sometimes it's a seven year itch, but I think there's more to it. You just naturally become predisposed. I mean, I always say I worked in the nonprofit world for 15 years, but I always say if that role had not changed every several years, I would not have been there that long because I would've been like, I continued to be challenged. I continued to be fed by it, by the different roles that I was asked to fill.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eEsjhG1yhkCyX6i5Uv_5ErQmHovIOXetNKj7_wo6xjHoDAEAwsfsKpXb_HysSa5Bgwvs_EEwZjncnufMGI15jC8Qy4Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=802.54'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>And that helps too. So I think it just comes down to sitting with yourself, which I know is uncomfortable sometimes, and just say, Hey, what do I like today? Why do I, and it could be even as simple as also how is your day structured? Is it time to shake that up? It could be just as simple as don't right away sit down with your email and your coffee. Maybe it's work on a passion project for an hour before you start answering to everyone else, whatever that is for you. We really encourage you to spend some time on that because I just know that that will spark something good for you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6vG3sBRMJJfgvRBwVPuy2OoS24nWpOpG1oOkguvAt0UmFbDtPG5V1O3oXmisXFGLCRBi_V1sb7GJMMct2oApE2tz5-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=849.58'>14:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love what you just said too about being in nonprofit that your job changed. It reminded me that when we were all in, excuse me, in jobs, we didn't stay in one job our entire career, we changed jobs, but when you own your own business, you really are the CEO and your job doesn't change. There's nowhere else to go except for out. You either sell your company or you retire when you shutter your agency. So you're right, Michelle, we need to remember that, that we, humans do crave a little bit of variety. And even if you are so passionate still, and this is your life's work, there's still some variety that you can infuse to keep your energy levels high and to keep you excited about what you do. Because doing the same job year after year after year after year can get pretty stale.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1fUfnWGZvNWKXnUi53v_h8FI6TmAIJUMEASJsYC-aShqYszFvd8jiJ1LwBr5YBUs6AeHe4gy5Xl0bjP_m9we7JSOZXo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.73'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>And even if your clients are okay with that on one level, I always like to think, but we can always be better, even if they're comfy, get out of your comfort zone clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MP6ET1vykfZjBC56xOMuRHNK4UkI8sfgYgtjri7wlbEIhfFM4w8D-jC0U01AGW_DN7R5nBOg3WpECiWcfSI_5zc7Q3M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926.21'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, push them out their comfort zone. You will be surprised. I mean, we just had this happen twice, one in a smaller way and one in a big way where we went full on unleash the creative juices and let it fly and said, we don't care if they think we're insane. And you know what? Our client was like, this is why I love you guys. I love you. They were so excited because they know we're creative. They hired us because we're creative and smart. So don't dull your shine even for your clients. Just keep that going and force them to come to the light. Don't go to the dark side. Force them into the light,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ubxn_Ms-g_it-1fF1E4t8_6Rh9MHNXgzLgt2BpEqFs1xr_53PJBkDa-w4z3kTyu_A1vvdeFxM9KdFdN3sDVETKuWWCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=973.34'>16:13</a>):</p>
<p>And I get it. Sometimes you think, ugh, but you don't understand. They never want to do anything fun, and I get it. That can be really energy zapping over time. So sometimes you just got to say, who caress? I'm still going to say the crazy thing. Okay,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S49L3K98eNSRZER4hGtXiKq6XRjVU5v4EHggIRBOAE5FO5LE9kJXjr4fZCxOiWFeN9xFRfYZrm-ikCS1muEUv-y5yQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=996.44'>16:36</a>):</p>
<p>100%. Because they need to remember why they engage with you in the first place. So don't lose that special thing that they hired you for just because they're too buddy duddy to really appreciate it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SQZujX4wNVlXYKxX7NtjtGewoTcnzhpMkZ-qeW6dm58ujaaVTrLxSTXmDcMKAlVnhlf3-X97L2HDVUBlBpZyOoTaWgc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1009.51'>16:49</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. They're probably secretly jealous, so that's okay too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zbLEHTE8Oq1j3ks74VMq7-nE1VWkaTpfXrFTx0c5INqMpdI4jltyoJNZtpIR85DAYEHD7GUsj2SzPrA0QrA_oB8k_M8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1016.12'>16:56</a>):</p>
<p>They know that they're going to have problems getting it through the corporate channels, and so they're afraid to let themselves dream.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VkNyp4dZb9j0IyNK5q4_her97z_F1nhdKwZRkxGJTFPhIU70nW2HJaM5eT0_MbrGoZq4pgX3KxlFAVnXeUQnQrjq9yw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.09'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. That's very true, and that's a great point too. So often it has nothing to do with you or your ideas. There are so many other factors that can get in the way. But well, we hope we've inspired you a bit. I think we've inspired ourselves a little bit, which is always a nice byproduct. But if you did get value from this, please do share it around with your friends. Check out the blog post that Karen just mentioned on solo pr pro.com. Hit us up with feedback there as well. We will put that blog post link in the show notes this week. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We just entered Q4 of 2023. How did we get here so quickly? If your energy and creativity are lagging, you need to listen to this episode.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers working for themselves. Like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, we are back again.
Karen Swim, APR (00:21):
We are here!
Michelle Kane (00:25):
Oh my goodness. Speaking of, we thought today would be a great day. We're looking at the end of the calendar pages and we thought it would be a perfect time to talk about keeping ourselves motivated. How do we keep our motivation momentum as we enter into this fourth quarter? And I don't know, I think for so many of us, we're just tired. We're just weather subconsciously or consciously tired from these past several years now of stuff.
Karen Swim, APR (01:06):
And as we record this, it's a particularly interesting time in that we continue to say post pandemic because it's not that far behind us. And now Covid also is popping its head up quite fiercely again. And so we're seeing more cases come back and I felt like we were still finding our footing after the pandemic and still trying to fill out what normal really was, and the ground is shifting under our feet once again. So it is an interesting time, and I don't know about everyone else, but I feel I'm tired, but I also have maybe excited energy. So there's that combination of being excited about the last quarter of 2023 and the things that are happening and the things that are in place that will set me up for 2024, but also just tired, fatigued. If we could end the year today, I would really be okay with that.
Michelle Kane (02:14):
I am with you. No, it's interesting. I mean, there's so much that goes into keeping you motivated, right? I mean, some of us may have client work that is samey-same, and there's nothing wrong with that, but sometimes you just get that multi-year itch about it, which you could flip that into saying, well, can we change things up to be more beneficial? How can we just reinvigorate ourselves about it? But from the broader spectrum, it's also keeping ourselves invigorated about our day to day
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Just staying excited about the job or thinking, well, why am I feeling this way? Aside from the general global malaise and freakout that's been hampering us for all this time, I think of myself. For me, I do big crises really well. If something big happens in life, I'm like, okay, let's handle it. Let's get through it. Let's get through it. And then if I drop a pen, then I just lose it. So I have to wonder if as a society, if that's kind of where we're at, we all got through the big massive thing pretty much, and now we're just, now we have the crash. So I think we just need to keep that in mind as we go about our businesses and our work days and our personal things, and just remember to be kind to ourselves, be patient with ourselves and realize that as much as we might like to go back to autopilot for a lot of things, we're not there yet.
 
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I also think at this time of year, we've gone through nine months. We're in this final stretch for a lot of people. Fall is very busy. It's event season. It's just a lot going on, a lot of moving parts. And so you can start to feel your energy levels flagging at this point of the year. So some things that you can do to make sure that you continue that momentum of the year and keep things on track is one is that you could revisit your schedule. This is a great time to start looking at pulling things off and be more effective, be more efficient. Sometimes we're just go, go, go. And we've added all of these things. So what can you remove from your schedule? How can you be more efficient and spend less t]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The Writer’s Guild of America <a href='https://deadline.com/2023/09/wga-strike-officially-end-leaders-approve-tentative-deal-1235556919/'>strike has come to an end</a> with the approval of a deal effective September 25, 2023 through May 1, 2026. The writers secured significant gains in one of the major areas of concern, use of AI in their work. In this episode we talk about the implications of this deal for creatives and PR pros.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cnTKZZ2LymtSE0jGzkXjiblmoAQhOW-6cksyBGF5tyaaG3XQOCLxjkDOPkjHFlwldnhNmgUexbC03ciPcayDerdyA7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.54'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever wonderful co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6WXoXD8At-4ZEA5rHCk8i6Ix1nIGIuWKW7OfpVI2TIGKekf96UqGp9wLkKog5RuPY_R-UYP0n896I_d4w9Z_oCTroh0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.77'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Re44S-S0a-5Vi5RvQ0-_ez4QKXRfjKBVPVMcvQCxngy-_aGOyyYCL6uHVGOxRN0bj5en3iHQYDxw8YCr3LJE6rA-yI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.32'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Good. Rolling along. Rolling along. It's all we can do these days.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/97KqCz7PLHK6yG-JMTb1ihjVRsfB3yL-jhyzhFFDjGHw6zmb_xeKuTvaMaK0hirVq7rwLcfqubn9-V7SmKSi_tx4ow4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.96'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>It's rolling pretty quickly. I cannot believe, even though we have been so focused on calendars and all of the things, I swear it feels like we weren't from July to here we are end of September in a day. That's what it feels like.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFsropdONChClGP-rIdDf-tK3xkyymGapWTZnXyMGJJXnC2PETR8UUKpjqDnlAQQrOW6MAFZAEJ8phhBww-Xgk4ASEU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=44.51'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. It feels like as I near the close of every month, I say, what a ride.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AxzUiO0EsKJwPrelm3D-RIuoh3fY5-UCTwqkpJDgdxR-rTsY_lSH5WulVFw1JRH_AP1sajda0ihm6OPtnkVgCKVumQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.4'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5uycr4xw-p_y79j-PFlOU3zd6EfrYLIZKxEhNn7K1UpFVqk-324y7A2xd7ZBtqzltA50awtvrv6RJCafgmU4wcFZImg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.76'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>So yes, definitely. We are in interesting times as ever. It just seems like the items of interest are the things that change, which leads us to our topic today when this podcast has hit, I believe in fact, well, I believe they have voted, but the WGA, the writer’s strike is over after, gosh, what was it, over 140 days. It was since May of this year they have been on strike.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FyXGAU2vMTL24YICFa7E62ub7u3yhh6eHmxOXYHmHpAY99mX6Eq0bu4sypfwyxc0ueNB3VBWbeZPniyGG_usMViliMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=88.8'>01:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it was 146 days. Very long strike.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6SwHQxSXsiFkF3ez4dSEsupxVsebdRKf3GFlbDrvjl-Kk8-LmX1nJ9hrsueolrUB0vhEMHGGVoi093leuFWxml0h5d0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.33'>01:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. But in their holding on, they reached what you could call historic gains regarding the use of AI in writing, which is something we've touched on a lot here and we enjoy the many good things about using AI. But as this writer strike has definitely brought to light, there are of course some concerns about how is this going to affect how they do their work, how they are fairly compensated for their work. So we’re going to dive in a little bit about that today and just AI and tech in general. So let's do it. So the big takeaway that the writers gained was that they can choose to use AI when performing writing services with consent from their production partners, but they can't be forced to do so, which I thought was a pretty big gain. It's not like they can just say “Here, just AI this script for the next sitcom.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8-N4MwZ9yTxKbLnYu0lADBxLNgZQc79ZxRw6E4e3xZegWbzcv3u698jlNvpWULxVfC06rcNcGUgXVEEf3_0BGlQmm44?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=159.75'>02:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think it's historic in that we are in this time where automation technology is really taking front and center in many industries. Surprisingly, technology is also a big negotiation point in the UAW strike, which living here in Michigan that looms very large and is very much front page news. And as with, I think, back to other times when there were big technological leaps like the internet, when that became accessible and we started to be able to read news and gain information on the internet. When you have these big shifts in the way that you do work, unfortunately laws rights are not keeping pace with the speed of innovation. And so there's always this tension point between moving from the past and moving toward the future. What I think is really interesting about this is that we're learning and the writers’ strike. They're not saying that AI is terrible, don't use it, don't ever use it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E857cndA6f2vkkURnjmWfLDPOgBdd1Dkj3GAR9_BJMkHsVwrvhg64R-mtSc7gieoZO78AkzGU8peC1b31I9XH_7lQpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.96'>03:58</a>):</p>
<p>Let's go backwards. They're embracing the future and grappling with, okay, yes, we want to use this tool. We think that it has some efficiencies, it has some greatness, but they're fighting to keep the humanity and their talent and their skillset. And as sophisticated as AI is becoming right before our very eyes, I do not think that we should ever be so lax to believe that a technological device, no matter how well trained it is, can replace the creativity of the human mind, period. Whether that's working visually, strategic planning. I mean, there are things that AI can and cannot do. And so I think that this strike the spillover to every industry has really put workers' rights front and center, but also front and center, that we need to value what people really bring to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dmLo27UyCrs0Tc1Mledh1-DUPVWO0WOk5UEuWXpT-YfrDmarX_qxeqVKyqHjqLkAfp4_2B4uRTKzeMz0YvY8AcDvPQU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=304.03'>05:04</a>):</p>
<p>That is so, so true. I mean, not that we want to think back to the pandemic, but what got us through it was the art that these creators created to at a time when we could not be together as we were used to being, we at least got to still think and have emotions thanks to binging Netflix for weeks on it. So I am very glad that they got this deal because not that I have any say, but I think it is a good deal because it's like you say, AI is not the devil. It can be a great tool and as we've been saying all along, rather than just closing off to it and thinking, Ugh, this tech is going to take my job, it's going to be terrible. We need to embrace it because those of us who do it learn how to use it well, learn how to incorporate it into our everyday are going to be the ones that can still see a living and success and don't be afraid of it. It's certainly not perfect. And like you say, anything, regulations and laws lagging far behind. I mean, my goodness, we still, social media is still this ever evolving thing that our Congress and the US is still talking about. Maybe we should regulate this. I'm like you think maybe a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YCeFR3lqnbLwMb7EAgkk8s8hFx6DcrCRVNYFTHurqfcmqUrAkwbe1TDw3wdotWx81SDYQc2JuAFGlxj0q4HDq3drxr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399'>06:39</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I completely agree. There have been some disturbing ethical things that have come up. So for PR practitioners, I think it's really important. And here's the alarm that I absolutely will sound, and I may say this so much that you all will get sick of hearing that, but the alarm that I will sound is not to be afraid to use ai, not to be afraid to incorporate it into your work. I would say the alarm is really digging deep and being able to clearly articulate and demonstrate what your value is to clients. Because let's all be honest about this in the short term, AI is going to shift some budgets. It just will. This is what happens when innovation comes into play. Have already heard anecdotes from people where their budgets have either been cut or they have been eliminated because clients believe that AI could be a replacement.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TbxOoRfsHD0GlPoLQ4lKyaiVYWVNrhJtHz846vm75NeAphHPOS7soEKAg3zRbRlepNmouXrd0PXOrnG-_JTY4d-hESI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=461'>07:41</a>):</p>
<p>And with the shifting media landscape and the shifting social media landscape as well, there are actually a lot of threats that I don't think that we can ignore. So if you're in the PR camp of everything's fine, everything's fine, we'll all be fine. Don't worry about it. All of the stuff has happened before true, but we should not be asleep on this one. We really shouldn't. We have to really dig down, really spend some time saying, okay, what is it that I really offer clients? We know this, but I feel like we really do struggle to both articulate it and demonstrate it. That means coming up with custom measurement dashboards, being able to put numbers and metrics to what you do and showing it to clients and making sure that it's the things that matter most to them. Putting together custom dashboards is not that hard. We've talked about this in the past for so many years at Solo PR Pro. We've had example custom dashboards. There's lots of examples out there. If you want us to do some type of a workshop on this, we're happy to bring in other experts and to do that. But I think that we should be taking this seriously and understanding that what our understanding and our perspective may not necessarily mirror those that are hiring us,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I8ppSXA9o4ANi-QMc1qsHcAx1EazT0shFSrVVSGKYDqrgRJU93cR1Qmui9WnCF16offCctXSjW9w8pAPR52C-hOFJjE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.57'>09:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Especially if they are not of the creative mind or they're not communicators. So even though it's a punch in the gut to us perhaps, or wounds our ego, we've also been through this before with the rise of creative tools of well, everyone can design and everyone can write, and we can all do social. Yeah, maybe they can get by with it. Maybe they can get by with badly written copy that doesn't really communicate, but one day they will write something that could be damaging to them.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RFS4Q7qtcJT2tcbyQLbZ92bjQTaJCPpER_Bm7Nmdgq72H6mFqt4ctrwgoeaRYUmpuYFiR0vZX23LIAuplsDPSKVUA6Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=589.02'>09:49</a>):</p>
<p>I love that example that you brought up about designers because let's be honest, how many of us embrace Canva, like our life depended on it and stopped paying designers to do social media graphics or to do simple designs because we had a tool. And so I think that it would be irresponsible of us to rest on our laurels and say, but we're different. We're protected. That's not necessarily true. And so again, I do think that we're in this weird part right here between old and new and shifting over where it's going to be more important than ever that we become better about communicating what we do. And if you think that you're doing this, I would challenge you to think a little more deeply because I spend a lot of time in PR forums and groups, and I see what people are saying, and I see the questions that they're asking, and I hear the client struggles that people are having, and we're not that good at it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/P8ikAOuEJhL1hYVlzSlwu9nxZbPvJHi1ugLRk7eO0808-drWf5R0YMbpCWoI3Dr-uxgSEJXszPeqan_c16xRLjlTXCA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=655.41'>10:55</a>):</p>
<p>We really are not. And please know that as I encourage you all to do that, that I am doing the same exact thing, doing that deep work and really going levels deeper and saying, okay, am I doing the best job of really articulating what I do? And I'm also rethinking what I actually sell to clients. There are some things that maybe are going to go away for me, and that's okay, but I think that we all should be doing that work right now. And right now our clients are budgeting, so you want to think about this quickly and make sure that you're ready for the next year because this is real. And unfortunately, unlike the writers and the actors and the UAW where technology is also factored into their negotiations, we don't have a union. It's just you. Our union is, hey, so we'll support one another, but we don't have that collective bargaining power. So we've got to get it together for ourselves and be ready to advocate for ourselves.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cbRs-DdY5AP-U-LQGY3lzm2PXV7uL6aBDcAH5Vrq4icJ8rHeUkYjK6kTOoInPXpcBYAo2ffxrxZYGafv5-5BxuTLZiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=726.19'>12:06</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And also, I think it comes back a lot to checking in with your clients and saying, “Hey, here's what we've been doing so far this year. How's that tracking with you? Have your needs changed?” And that may help you get an inkling of where they are and what they're thinking without, if you're not comfortable with calling it right out, which might not be a comfortable conversation, but just checking in and saying, “What are your goals? Have your corporate goals shifted?” Because a lot of times, hey, some companies, depending on their size, they don't even have kind of like a solo shop. You don't often have the opportunity to even evaluate that you're just keeping going, but others are, and it depends to what degree they are paying attention to what's going on, but I assure you they are and how to properly incorporate it into what they're doing to make sure that you can still be an asset for them. Because I know this, we all can still be assets. It's just making sure they realize that</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-mL9geyvdqAtBL3aQ51E_Xez91NK-fxZPVFEwLbXRLS4BSBrMRTKFTB8QTMS_-MMGFQf2yyPCamgm0RYQJ4pA2zhmn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.12'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. And thank you so much for calling that point out because I do want our communicators to walk away knowing that we truly are valuable and that we do have a valuable skillset, but we have to take the personal out of it when we're talking about clients and what they think and what they see. Because we all know that there are so many things that we do that clients do not even understand why that's valuable. All of the moving parts that we manage, the things that we prevent from going wrong, they don't always get that or don't appreciate how that takes skill to do, and they never will because no one's ever going to fully understand anyone else's job unless they've done it. We can kind of understand it in a way, but all of the nuances are impossible to know. The other thing that I think the Rider Strike brought out, which is a good point for us to all consider, is not only protecting our jobs, but having the conversations about how you're using ai.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sM0b2XzDm9-lZ2ITmaTzBqdKmSC05DzgMP9n-hj0DKXTTCYCg-4LTKjBU1E5CpW72E1fs4_btNajUtqlSZCQOyjeEck?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=857.47'>14:17</a>):</p>
<p>I don't think that you should shy away from AI conversations with your clients, ask them how they're incorporating it, and also you want to think about protecting your work. Is that important to you? So if you write a blog post for a client, are you okay with that blog post then being repurposed by ai? This was something that came up in the rider strike. So if you're writing materials, do you want those materials to be used indefinitely without you for no pay? In our world, it works a little bit different, but again, you need to be thinking along the lines of what AI can do and how comfortable you are. And if necessary, have conversations with your legal counsel and ask, what things should I be putting into my contracts to address ai? Do you need to disclose that you use AI as a tool? I am iffy on that one because I do not believe that we should just take AI and whatever they produce and then use it as is without any of our input and then hand it over. Because then that's not really, it's a tool, it's a work.</p>
<p> (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fb-PITfPqrVWLRwrlHzgparHKKDz3uWA0bYI9pKFKBb8c_yqQQwKW26amX68qsLrGLzW2540EIEdcJHBaGOopIZBdjw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=936.8'>15:36</a>):</p>
<p>Do you disclose to the clients that you use MuckRack for reporting? I mean, I do, but not in my contracts. I'm pretty transparent with clients like, oh, we use this to gather this. Here's what we can gather. But I think that we have to come to a place where we're comfortable. Is AI just another technological tool like your email system because it should just be another tech tool that you use?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7jy0_mTL24HCR1xa2AvqzYjtKQQz5EnqGltyT0Eg1vo7gNpXcDImP7_rdWJzt2FnqfrZlcrQ3ZmHvNPbODiOCSMB2Jk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=963.14'>16:03</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OINBpUiSapKaRmyQk67GOq4Sm0n3j1qJhH0shtct6nGLAC-mXvQsZrW2XddmXAZIBLf_1_fiJJILp6nwZPzSHL3ywuc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.7'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>I need this coming up a lot about do I put this in my contracts that I use AI? And I'm not sure why we would do that. Why? Because they're listing absolutely everything you list all of the technological tools that you're using in order to produce your work. But again, these are the kinds of things that I do think it's important to think about it and think about how we're using things and what needs to be disclosed and in what way, and what needs to be protected and what those protections should be. Because we are in a new era and I don't want any of us to be taken advantage of or to be devalued in this transitional time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s-N_jo3Apw1Nezg9t0UfHJ91bBGoteIGz8UrmcLuKQxym_mQJ6tQdX7VoijF2vKRNfqyw_6pOKTTu8DiFj9AwtodksU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1008.69'>16:48</a>):</p>
<p>And actually, I think that's an opportunity to bring it up to help frame it for the client, because I certainly wouldn't spell out to a client. Well, I wrote this in Word, so I use spellcheck for sure, and then I ran it through Grammarly just to check for plagiarism, even though I didn't plagiarize, but I just wanted to be sure. I mean, it could be exhaustive, but since AI is such a new, big, hairy thing, it's worth a conversation to say, Hey, I consider this a tool, which honestly makes me more efficient for you. But also, even though as AI is getting smarter, I mean the tool that I use, I've noticed some blips, the quality's taken a little hit. There's a lot of flowery pros in there that I'm like, Ugh, depending what I feed it. So all these things factor in to the conversations. And I think it's about having those conversations with your client, because again, being a PR practitioner, we're communicators, but we're also sometimes therapists and we're educators. We're all the things, whether they realize it or not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WwTT8koOx6bDkTGYq8yTaNRVNqTwtij3vKIjhY-6JQ8epVqZ5A7KUZHg1D4TueOGEAL79k8mfAXXtZexv9-1JaK5_-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1078.53'>17:58</a>):</p>
<p>And here's a little AI hack for that, by the way, Michelle. And for our listening audience, when you are using ChatGPT to generate content and you're not happy with the style first, you can prompt it differently with the style, but then you can ask it to rewrite it in several different styles. So you can tell it specifically. You can say, rewrite this in conversational style or rewrite this. Give me three different styles, and it'll tell you what style it's using and rewrite things. And so sometimes you'll find that there's a mix of styles that kind of works for you and gets you thinking and able to pull it together. So yeah, you can get away from the AI-ness of it all,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vWklCqFvGBnCDcGAm1AnplRR7h6a5U6MAo2sZ-G_J1wyP9BVvgd6xjOVJsY4uCtorsj7Kvebq61kn_Cx6-CjklngewQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1124.28'>18:44</a>):</p>
<p>Lose the flowery prose.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I4pOZLziweuhR0-AIhfIEuTa8jAP4wCxSqlgAnqikjlcFRjjihwYtz6razH5F_HyhTnQxaLfp09ha2XdVN5N3wZY5so?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1127.43'>18:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KyHopBzJz-qwou60dzl7wVE_kDPX8-eSSYp9ys1JmO1ZDRFgTvcPSZ9H4zHdmbopsAAGiRVdFhenbaUG4M2n-dc5g8w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1128.06'>18:48</a>):</p>
<p>That was junk. Try again.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gs9TC3mjXfRIi2YXmiHNpTsoptIz0Pp2JvgcXAnnl3s7qZZxdVrOZRw9qiaHW78riqhqWNIJu76GrsThapjX4ocZf6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1131.45'>18:51</a>):</p>
<p>Although I have to tell you that sometimes it's really fun to give AI a little bit of license and give it some fun prompts and tell it to do something weird, because what you get back can be surprisingly just so creative.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HzMfmhVTBOQwaCj8auJb61W-cfKcaREfKmZ3OXIz-9c-rWZtyrjlnBZ8s5cExGnp_aUDzLxGV3s3Iv_hwtsMjtKzCWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1148.1'>19:08</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. Yeah. So as we've been saying, we can have fun with it, but it is a serious development in all of our worlds and who knows what's to come. But as always, we want you to be as ready as possible, and we know that our solos are savvy smarties to begin with. So that already puts you steps ahead. So don't be afraid of it. But if you found value in this time together, please pass it around. Please share the Solo PR Pro love. And until next time, thanks for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Writer’s Guild of America <a href='https://deadline.com/2023/09/wga-strike-officially-end-leaders-approve-tentative-deal-1235556919/'>strike has come to an end</a> with the approval of a deal effective September 25, 2023 through May 1, 2026. The writers secured significant gains in one of the major areas of concern, use of AI in their work. In this episode we talk about the implications of this deal for creatives and PR pros.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cnTKZZ2LymtSE0jGzkXjiblmoAQhOW-6cksyBGF5tyaaG3XQOCLxjkDOPkjHFlwldnhNmgUexbC03ciPcayDerdyA7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.54'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever wonderful co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6WXoXD8At-4ZEA5rHCk8i6Ix1nIGIuWKW7OfpVI2TIGKekf96UqGp9wLkKog5RuPY_R-UYP0n896I_d4w9Z_oCTroh0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.77'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Re44S-S0a-5Vi5RvQ0-_ez4QKXRfjKBVPVMcvQCxngy-_aGOyyYCL6uHVGOxRN0bj5en3iHQYDxw8YCr3LJE6rA-yI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=22.32'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>Good. Rolling along. Rolling along. It's all we can do these days.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/97KqCz7PLHK6yG-JMTb1ihjVRsfB3yL-jhyzhFFDjGHw6zmb_xeKuTvaMaK0hirVq7rwLcfqubn9-V7SmKSi_tx4ow4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=27.96'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>It's rolling pretty quickly. I cannot believe, even though we have been so focused on calendars and all of the things, I swear it feels like we weren't from July to here we are end of September in a day. That's what it feels like.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFsropdONChClGP-rIdDf-tK3xkyymGapWTZnXyMGJJXnC2PETR8UUKpjqDnlAQQrOW6MAFZAEJ8phhBww-Xgk4ASEU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=44.51'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, yes. It feels like as I near the close of every month, I say, what a ride.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AxzUiO0EsKJwPrelm3D-RIuoh3fY5-UCTwqkpJDgdxR-rTsY_lSH5WulVFw1JRH_AP1sajda0ihm6OPtnkVgCKVumQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.4'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5uycr4xw-p_y79j-PFlOU3zd6EfrYLIZKxEhNn7K1UpFVqk-324y7A2xd7ZBtqzltA50awtvrv6RJCafgmU4wcFZImg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=53.76'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>So yes, definitely. We are in interesting times as ever. It just seems like the items of interest are the things that change, which leads us to our topic today when this podcast has hit, I believe in fact, well, I believe they have voted, but the WGA, the writer’s strike is over after, gosh, what was it, over 140 days. It was since May of this year they have been on strike.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FyXGAU2vMTL24YICFa7E62ub7u3yhh6eHmxOXYHmHpAY99mX6Eq0bu4sypfwyxc0ueNB3VBWbeZPniyGG_usMViliMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=88.8'>01:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it was 146 days. Very long strike.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6SwHQxSXsiFkF3ez4dSEsupxVsebdRKf3GFlbDrvjl-Kk8-LmX1nJ9hrsueolrUB0vhEMHGGVoi093leuFWxml0h5d0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=93.33'>01:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. But in their holding on, they reached what you could call historic gains regarding the use of AI in writing, which is something we've touched on a lot here and we enjoy the many good things about using AI. But as this writer strike has definitely brought to light, there are of course some concerns about how is this going to affect how they do their work, how they are fairly compensated for their work. So we’re going to dive in a little bit about that today and just AI and tech in general. So let's do it. So the big takeaway that the writers gained was that they can choose to use AI when performing writing services with consent from their production partners, but they can't be forced to do so, which I thought was a pretty big gain. It's not like they can just say “Here, just AI this script for the next sitcom.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8-N4MwZ9yTxKbLnYu0lADBxLNgZQc79ZxRw6E4e3xZegWbzcv3u698jlNvpWULxVfC06rcNcGUgXVEEf3_0BGlQmm44?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=159.75'>02:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think it's historic in that we are in this time where automation technology is really taking front and center in many industries. Surprisingly, technology is also a big negotiation point in the UAW strike, which living here in Michigan that looms very large and is very much front page news. And as with, I think, back to other times when there were big technological leaps like the internet, when that became accessible and we started to be able to read news and gain information on the internet. When you have these big shifts in the way that you do work, unfortunately laws rights are not keeping pace with the speed of innovation. And so there's always this tension point between moving from the past and moving toward the future. What I think is really interesting about this is that we're learning and the writers’ strike. They're not saying that AI is terrible, don't use it, don't ever use it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E857cndA6f2vkkURnjmWfLDPOgBdd1Dkj3GAR9_BJMkHsVwrvhg64R-mtSc7gieoZO78AkzGU8peC1b31I9XH_7lQpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=238.96'>03:58</a>):</p>
<p>Let's go backwards. They're embracing the future and grappling with, okay, yes, we want to use this tool. We think that it has some efficiencies, it has some greatness, but they're fighting to keep the humanity and their talent and their skillset. And as sophisticated as AI is becoming right before our very eyes, I do not think that we should ever be so lax to believe that a technological device, no matter how well trained it is, can replace the creativity of the human mind, period. Whether that's working visually, strategic planning. I mean, there are things that AI can and cannot do. And so I think that this strike the spillover to every industry has really put workers' rights front and center, but also front and center, that we need to value what people really bring to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dmLo27UyCrs0Tc1Mledh1-DUPVWO0WOk5UEuWXpT-YfrDmarX_qxeqVKyqHjqLkAfp4_2B4uRTKzeMz0YvY8AcDvPQU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=304.03'>05:04</a>):</p>
<p>That is so, so true. I mean, not that we want to think back to the pandemic, but what got us through it was the art that these creators created to at a time when we could not be together as we were used to being, we at least got to still think and have emotions thanks to binging Netflix for weeks on it. So I am very glad that they got this deal because not that I have any say, but I think it is a good deal because it's like you say, AI is not the devil. It can be a great tool and as we've been saying all along, rather than just closing off to it and thinking, Ugh, this tech is going to take my job, it's going to be terrible. We need to embrace it because those of us who do it learn how to use it well, learn how to incorporate it into our everyday are going to be the ones that can still see a living and success and don't be afraid of it. It's certainly not perfect. And like you say, anything, regulations and laws lagging far behind. I mean, my goodness, we still, social media is still this ever evolving thing that our Congress and the US is still talking about. Maybe we should regulate this. I'm like you think maybe a little bit.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YCeFR3lqnbLwMb7EAgkk8s8hFx6DcrCRVNYFTHurqfcmqUrAkwbe1TDw3wdotWx81SDYQc2JuAFGlxj0q4HDq3drxr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=399'>06:39</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I completely agree. There have been some disturbing ethical things that have come up. So for PR practitioners, I think it's really important. And here's the alarm that I absolutely will sound, and I may say this so much that you all will get sick of hearing that, but the alarm that I will sound is not to be afraid to use ai, not to be afraid to incorporate it into your work. I would say the alarm is really digging deep and being able to clearly articulate and demonstrate what your value is to clients. Because let's all be honest about this in the short term, AI is going to shift some budgets. It just will. This is what happens when innovation comes into play. Have already heard anecdotes from people where their budgets have either been cut or they have been eliminated because clients believe that AI could be a replacement.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TbxOoRfsHD0GlPoLQ4lKyaiVYWVNrhJtHz846vm75NeAphHPOS7soEKAg3zRbRlepNmouXrd0PXOrnG-_JTY4d-hESI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=461'>07:41</a>):</p>
<p>And with the shifting media landscape and the shifting social media landscape as well, there are actually a lot of threats that I don't think that we can ignore. So if you're in the PR camp of everything's fine, everything's fine, we'll all be fine. Don't worry about it. All of the stuff has happened before true, but we should not be asleep on this one. We really shouldn't. We have to really dig down, really spend some time saying, okay, what is it that I really offer clients? We know this, but I feel like we really do struggle to both articulate it and demonstrate it. That means coming up with custom measurement dashboards, being able to put numbers and metrics to what you do and showing it to clients and making sure that it's the things that matter most to them. Putting together custom dashboards is not that hard. We've talked about this in the past for so many years at Solo PR Pro. We've had example custom dashboards. There's lots of examples out there. If you want us to do some type of a workshop on this, we're happy to bring in other experts and to do that. But I think that we should be taking this seriously and understanding that what our understanding and our perspective may not necessarily mirror those that are hiring us,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I8ppSXA9o4ANi-QMc1qsHcAx1EazT0shFSrVVSGKYDqrgRJU93cR1Qmui9WnCF16offCctXSjW9w8pAPR52C-hOFJjE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=549.57'>09:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right? Especially if they are not of the creative mind or they're not communicators. So even though it's a punch in the gut to us perhaps, or wounds our ego, we've also been through this before with the rise of creative tools of well, everyone can design and everyone can write, and we can all do social. Yeah, maybe they can get by with it. Maybe they can get by with badly written copy that doesn't really communicate, but one day they will write something that could be damaging to them.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RFS4Q7qtcJT2tcbyQLbZ92bjQTaJCPpER_Bm7Nmdgq72H6mFqt4ctrwgoeaRYUmpuYFiR0vZX23LIAuplsDPSKVUA6Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=589.02'>09:49</a>):</p>
<p>I love that example that you brought up about designers because let's be honest, how many of us embrace Canva, like our life depended on it and stopped paying designers to do social media graphics or to do simple designs because we had a tool. And so I think that it would be irresponsible of us to rest on our laurels and say, but we're different. We're protected. That's not necessarily true. And so again, I do think that we're in this weird part right here between old and new and shifting over where it's going to be more important than ever that we become better about communicating what we do. And if you think that you're doing this, I would challenge you to think a little more deeply because I spend a lot of time in PR forums and groups, and I see what people are saying, and I see the questions that they're asking, and I hear the client struggles that people are having, and we're not that good at it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/P8ikAOuEJhL1hYVlzSlwu9nxZbPvJHi1ugLRk7eO0808-drWf5R0YMbpCWoI3Dr-uxgSEJXszPeqan_c16xRLjlTXCA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=655.41'>10:55</a>):</p>
<p>We really are not. And please know that as I encourage you all to do that, that I am doing the same exact thing, doing that deep work and really going levels deeper and saying, okay, am I doing the best job of really articulating what I do? And I'm also rethinking what I actually sell to clients. There are some things that maybe are going to go away for me, and that's okay, but I think that we all should be doing that work right now. And right now our clients are budgeting, so you want to think about this quickly and make sure that you're ready for the next year because this is real. And unfortunately, unlike the writers and the actors and the UAW where technology is also factored into their negotiations, we don't have a union. It's just you. Our union is, hey, so we'll support one another, but we don't have that collective bargaining power. So we've got to get it together for ourselves and be ready to advocate for ourselves.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cbRs-DdY5AP-U-LQGY3lzm2PXV7uL6aBDcAH5Vrq4icJ8rHeUkYjK6kTOoInPXpcBYAo2ffxrxZYGafv5-5BxuTLZiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=726.19'>12:06</a>):</p>
<p>Right? And also, I think it comes back a lot to checking in with your clients and saying, “Hey, here's what we've been doing so far this year. How's that tracking with you? Have your needs changed?” And that may help you get an inkling of where they are and what they're thinking without, if you're not comfortable with calling it right out, which might not be a comfortable conversation, but just checking in and saying, “What are your goals? Have your corporate goals shifted?” Because a lot of times, hey, some companies, depending on their size, they don't even have kind of like a solo shop. You don't often have the opportunity to even evaluate that you're just keeping going, but others are, and it depends to what degree they are paying attention to what's going on, but I assure you they are and how to properly incorporate it into what they're doing to make sure that you can still be an asset for them. Because I know this, we all can still be assets. It's just making sure they realize that</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-mL9geyvdqAtBL3aQ51E_Xez91NK-fxZPVFEwLbXRLS4BSBrMRTKFTB8QTMS_-MMGFQf2yyPCamgm0RYQJ4pA2zhmn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.12'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. And thank you so much for calling that point out because I do want our communicators to walk away knowing that we truly are valuable and that we do have a valuable skillset, but we have to take the personal out of it when we're talking about clients and what they think and what they see. Because we all know that there are so many things that we do that clients do not even understand why that's valuable. All of the moving parts that we manage, the things that we prevent from going wrong, they don't always get that or don't appreciate how that takes skill to do, and they never will because no one's ever going to fully understand anyone else's job unless they've done it. We can kind of understand it in a way, but all of the nuances are impossible to know. The other thing that I think the Rider Strike brought out, which is a good point for us to all consider, is not only protecting our jobs, but having the conversations about how you're using ai.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sM0b2XzDm9-lZ2ITmaTzBqdKmSC05DzgMP9n-hj0DKXTTCYCg-4LTKjBU1E5CpW72E1fs4_btNajUtqlSZCQOyjeEck?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=857.47'>14:17</a>):</p>
<p>I don't think that you should shy away from AI conversations with your clients, ask them how they're incorporating it, and also you want to think about protecting your work. Is that important to you? So if you write a blog post for a client, are you okay with that blog post then being repurposed by ai? This was something that came up in the rider strike. So if you're writing materials, do you want those materials to be used indefinitely without you for no pay? In our world, it works a little bit different, but again, you need to be thinking along the lines of what AI can do and how comfortable you are. And if necessary, have conversations with your legal counsel and ask, what things should I be putting into my contracts to address ai? Do you need to disclose that you use AI as a tool? I am iffy on that one because I do not believe that we should just take AI and whatever they produce and then use it as is without any of our input and then hand it over. Because then that's not really, it's a tool, it's a work.</p>
<p> (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fb-PITfPqrVWLRwrlHzgparHKKDz3uWA0bYI9pKFKBb8c_yqQQwKW26amX68qsLrGLzW2540EIEdcJHBaGOopIZBdjw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=936.8'>15:36</a>):</p>
<p>Do you disclose to the clients that you use MuckRack for reporting? I mean, I do, but not in my contracts. I'm pretty transparent with clients like, oh, we use this to gather this. Here's what we can gather. But I think that we have to come to a place where we're comfortable. Is AI just another technological tool like your email system because it should just be another tech tool that you use?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7jy0_mTL24HCR1xa2AvqzYjtKQQz5EnqGltyT0Eg1vo7gNpXcDImP7_rdWJzt2FnqfrZlcrQ3ZmHvNPbODiOCSMB2Jk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=963.14'>16:03</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OINBpUiSapKaRmyQk67GOq4Sm0n3j1qJhH0shtct6nGLAC-mXvQsZrW2XddmXAZIBLf_1_fiJJILp6nwZPzSHL3ywuc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=964.7'>16:04</a>):</p>
<p>I need this coming up a lot about do I put this in my contracts that I use AI? And I'm not sure why we would do that. Why? Because they're listing absolutely everything you list all of the technological tools that you're using in order to produce your work. But again, these are the kinds of things that I do think it's important to think about it and think about how we're using things and what needs to be disclosed and in what way, and what needs to be protected and what those protections should be. Because we are in a new era and I don't want any of us to be taken advantage of or to be devalued in this transitional time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s-N_jo3Apw1Nezg9t0UfHJ91bBGoteIGz8UrmcLuKQxym_mQJ6tQdX7VoijF2vKRNfqyw_6pOKTTu8DiFj9AwtodksU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1008.69'>16:48</a>):</p>
<p>And actually, I think that's an opportunity to bring it up to help frame it for the client, because I certainly wouldn't spell out to a client. Well, I wrote this in Word, so I use spellcheck for sure, and then I ran it through Grammarly just to check for plagiarism, even though I didn't plagiarize, but I just wanted to be sure. I mean, it could be exhaustive, but since AI is such a new, big, hairy thing, it's worth a conversation to say, Hey, I consider this a tool, which honestly makes me more efficient for you. But also, even though as AI is getting smarter, I mean the tool that I use, I've noticed some blips, the quality's taken a little hit. There's a lot of flowery pros in there that I'm like, Ugh, depending what I feed it. So all these things factor in to the conversations. And I think it's about having those conversations with your client, because again, being a PR practitioner, we're communicators, but we're also sometimes therapists and we're educators. We're all the things, whether they realize it or not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WwTT8koOx6bDkTGYq8yTaNRVNqTwtij3vKIjhY-6JQ8epVqZ5A7KUZHg1D4TueOGEAL79k8mfAXXtZexv9-1JaK5_-4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1078.53'>17:58</a>):</p>
<p>And here's a little AI hack for that, by the way, Michelle. And for our listening audience, when you are using ChatGPT to generate content and you're not happy with the style first, you can prompt it differently with the style, but then you can ask it to rewrite it in several different styles. So you can tell it specifically. You can say, rewrite this in conversational style or rewrite this. Give me three different styles, and it'll tell you what style it's using and rewrite things. And so sometimes you'll find that there's a mix of styles that kind of works for you and gets you thinking and able to pull it together. So yeah, you can get away from the AI-ness of it all,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vWklCqFvGBnCDcGAm1AnplRR7h6a5U6MAo2sZ-G_J1wyP9BVvgd6xjOVJsY4uCtorsj7Kvebq61kn_Cx6-CjklngewQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1124.28'>18:44</a>):</p>
<p>Lose the flowery prose.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I4pOZLziweuhR0-AIhfIEuTa8jAP4wCxSqlgAnqikjlcFRjjihwYtz6razH5F_HyhTnQxaLfp09ha2XdVN5N3wZY5so?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1127.43'>18:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KyHopBzJz-qwou60dzl7wVE_kDPX8-eSSYp9ys1JmO1ZDRFgTvcPSZ9H4zHdmbopsAAGiRVdFhenbaUG4M2n-dc5g8w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1128.06'>18:48</a>):</p>
<p>That was junk. Try again.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gs9TC3mjXfRIi2YXmiHNpTsoptIz0Pp2JvgcXAnnl3s7qZZxdVrOZRw9qiaHW78riqhqWNIJu76GrsThapjX4ocZf6o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1131.45'>18:51</a>):</p>
<p>Although I have to tell you that sometimes it's really fun to give AI a little bit of license and give it some fun prompts and tell it to do something weird, because what you get back can be surprisingly just so creative.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HzMfmhVTBOQwaCj8auJb61W-cfKcaREfKmZ3OXIz-9c-rWZtyrjlnBZ8s5cExGnp_aUDzLxGV3s3Iv_hwtsMjtKzCWQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1148.1'>19:08</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. Yeah. So as we've been saying, we can have fun with it, but it is a serious development in all of our worlds and who knows what's to come. But as always, we want you to be as ready as possible, and we know that our solos are savvy smarties to begin with. So that already puts you steps ahead. So don't be afraid of it. But if you found value in this time together, please pass it around. Please share the Solo PR Pro love. And until next time, thanks for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The Writer’s Guild of America strike has come to an end with the approval of a deal effective September 25, 2023 through May 1, 2026. The writers secured significant gains in one of the major areas of concern, use of AI in their work. In this episode we talk about the implications of this deal for creatives and PR pros.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever wonderful co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you doing today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:22):
Good. Rolling along. Rolling along. It's all we can do these days.
Karen Swim, APR (00:27):
It's rolling pretty quickly. I cannot believe, even though we have been so focused on calendars and all of the things, I swear it feels like we weren't from July to here we are end of September in a day. That's what it feels like.
Michelle Kane (00:44):
Yes, yes. It feels like as I near the close of every month, I say, what a ride.
Karen Swim, APR (00:51):
Yeah.
Michelle Kane (00:53):
So yes, definitely. We are in interesting times as ever. It just seems like the items of interest are the things that change, which leads us to our topic today when this podcast has hit, I believe in fact, well, I believe they have voted, but the WGA, the writer’s strike is over after, gosh, what was it, over 140 days. It was since May of this year they have been on strike.
Karen Swim, APR (01:28):
Yeah, it was 146 days. Very long strike.
Michelle Kane (01:33):
Yes. But in their holding on, they reached what you could call historic gains regarding the use of AI in writing, which is something we've touched on a lot here and we enjoy the many good things about using AI. But as this writer strike has definitely brought to light, there are of course some concerns about how is this going to affect how they do their work, how they are fairly compensated for their work. So we’re going to dive in a little bit about that today and just AI and tech in general. So let's do it. So the big takeaway that the writers gained was that they can choose to use AI when performing writing services with consent from their production partners, but they can't be forced to do so, which I thought was a pretty big gain. It's not like they can just say “Here, just AI this script for the next sitcom.”
Karen Swim, APR (02:39):
Yeah, I think it's historic in that we are in this time where automation technology is really taking front and center in many industries. Surprisingly, technology is also a big negotiation point in the UAW strike, which living here in Michigan that looms very large and is very much front page news. And as with, I think, back to other times when there were big technological leaps like the internet, when that became accessible and we started to be able to read news and gain information on the internet. When you have these big shifts in the way that you do work, unfortunately laws rights are not keeping pace with the speed of innovation. And so there's always this tension point between moving from the past and moving toward the future. What I think is really interesting about this is that we're learning and the writers’ strike. They're not saying that AI is terrible, don't use it, don't ever use it.
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Let's go backwards. They're embracing the future and grappling with, okay, yes, we want to use this tool. We think that it has some efficiencies, it has some greatness, but they're fighting to keep the humanity and their talent and their skillset. And as sophisticated as AI is becoming right before our very eyes, I do not think that we should ever be so lax to believe that a technological device, no matter how well trained it is, can replace the creativity of the human mind, period. Whether that's working visually, strategic planning. I mean, there]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s time to check in on the latest in pop culture and PR. From recent missteps from the rock and roll world to shows trying to return to air during the WGA and SAG/AFTRA strikes, we talk about it.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p_ilaVu7IEG1G8iM47KbF24UDwKLk0_-xm-hYbEwJTInh16i3SXdqwhjqnT_FVXp7zUGkT3mI6wO3L-3ONzjf41P93I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.58'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. It's another week and here we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rblKPUtp_C3a5wXf1gFF6hKqW4SS2S_RNcn0jbKppXOpdB-8nuYPqepdPYxWH8H8huoruTGDGrd_Yqv2kYA0LRjvnLM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.01'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hi Michelle. We made it. We made it. It's been a week.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/41-tl1969ZixhGymmJLcDxIXAps5Cg1u3l4JtQwK6zPalxcDwotB1Z70-ir3_PYOe4wtBh72YrrCggvA8eQIgqmuOdA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.35'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, it's been a week. And it hasn't even been a week already.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZDTUwGu825GF9WIafs9cwKIqFChqFvQ28jkz03U2jZneJI05WLfF97zPvNKIhtObQ-gPTszrVsnbHtLk-wZVEgaqVw0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.48'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EK6S0I09dEZbAW-q01iVEHaLi0ee5vTmwV_66MNvp3jbQLJNhZd-PBhawSljisIY4knN0ca9k8RsfSZZGSfnxVW-M3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.56'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>But our week is nothing like the weeks of some people out there in pop culture land. So we're just going to touch on that a little bit. I'm sure if any of you are following any of the hot topics right now with the Writers’ Strike, the Actors’ Strike. We know Drew Barrymore had some issues with that. We've got some stuff out of Florida, and Jan Winter stepped in it too with Rolling, rolling Stone in the Rock and Roll Hall. And not that we're saying this to just disown people, but there are some very instructive PR moments that some of these aforementioned people received well and acted upon and others have not. But that's okay. It's just like us and clients. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n3D8f3iUrTkX6sMpbQCmGYa9yXfU4N5ImP5Re-EyvuAR03c05GiUHWzCTmDFRePnUrygk0oRQLEhrqGxvybQWnz3qBQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>100%. And I actually, I love our pop culture PR segments because they're always fun and they're a nice break from a lot of the other things that all of us have to deal within our day-to-day. So yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8NtH6ULLwxBW6WixPpaqiqyF1AOm8nVZnUW5z9ajeJKWrglXmcLkyLDl9QEtvyZyyCMWWRSqmG-tjkN3yT4vFrUmktI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.25'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yes. Let's get into it. So Drew, I love Drew. I know she means, well, I think she most certainly was thinking of those members of her crew and those people affected by the strike and being off the job and what that is starting to mean financially for so many people that she announced. She made the decision to come back to work that was met with pretty significant backlash, which in turn, she then rescinded and is not going back. And I know we were talking off air about, I had seen Rosie O'Donnell posted something that was very instructive for Drew. In fact, Rosie, if you're looking to make a foray into pr, you nailed it. She just laid out three things, a apologize, B, change your mind and see, just state it like this and you'll be fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h4tZTkYp7xBu37khMQ26qaKi86Xz58n9kvbhW18ptZ1mgWuD2Hx-q6QyCE2zCjtSAX8Fae34fJM1J3W6eaVt-gn347c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.39'>02:36</a>):</p>
<p>I love Drew Barrymore as well. And I think that her misstep, of course, the first thing that was asked is who's advising her? People automatically assume that there was some failure on the part of advisors, but then other smart people asked. The question was, did she listen to counsel? My guess is that obviously she does have really good PR people that are on her team. My guess is that they truly did advise her, but that she led with her will and her heart. And I do believe that she was well intentioned, but very misinformed. So here's a thing that stood out to me. Number one, here's somebody who is an industry veteran. She grew up in this industry. That, however, is not always apparently an indication that you really understand the industry that you've been in for a long time. So she's been in it for a long time.</p>
<p>She's made a lot of money in the industry. She definitely is one of the privileged that is not feeling the strike in the same way, however, because she has a good heart. She wanted to do something good, but she missed the mark on this one and she forgot her audience. I don't want to spend people's money. But there's all kinds of ways that you can help people that work for you without affecting the wider industry and the issues and thinking about how this is going to play to the average American, many of whom are in her audience are also in labor unions, have family members in labor unions or are being impacted by workplace issues. So it was a great misstep. And so the lesson to leaders is just because you think something is right, and just because you're operating off of good intentions, it's really smart to have strategic counsel that will tell you the truth and to look beyond yourself and your perceptions and truly understand the impact on the audience.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yCEPOMGFrnyt3VP0mPzHkgyrldX47nsO-Nv51PWemjdvKP7FUk2YdNzNjKy_ny-jrB_PavUZR70u06lC6I3cyx5RNNI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.02'>04:50</a>):</p>
<p>And when you're a brand of that size, your impact on the larger marketplace. I have friends that have been on the picket lines. I have friends that are not multimillionaires who are being affected by these strikes. I have friends that are actors and friends that are writers. It is disheartening to see somebody show up for a smaller group of people because you want to feel good about it and you want to put a statement out saying, I own this choice. Okay, are you owning the big mistake that this is too? It was a slap in the case to all of those people that don't have Drew Barrymore as their boss, which is the majority of people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NrKHri2vnr5XpqPcBDu5dkG3rZPz-CSNWWzzXgMV8jCz2ywEJZZZY7RPHgqGFhzBrW1WoduxFqz6cuKuE56MvlGoq_E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.31'>05:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So true. So true. And it definitely went against the whole purpose of a strike. And to your point, you're asking audience members to cross a picket line. And so there was a subset snafu with all of this where there were two audience members who the picketers gave them pins. They wore the pins, they were kicked out of the audience. So it's also a message to someone in her, or maybe you're not a talk show host. Maybe you're a c e O of a company. Yeah, you keep the 30,000 foot view, but you better keep your ear to the ground too so that your staff knows not to do that because Hello Drew, you're in the SAG after union.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-BlsZq8Dl4l6Iz2qSDQKikoAFC8jIcr_HO1F4o0vl0AzUgGWsTBgLbnpIdM-tHEHg6wqhApqAsGqAJ5pIuy5kLgzspg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.55'>06:16</a>):</p>
<p>That's unfortunate, but has she been out on the picket line routinely? Has she been talking to people who are losing their livelihood, who cannot pay their rent, who cannot make their mortgage payments? Apparently not.</p>
<p>Because you can't hear these stories, you can't know these people. You can't walk in their shoes and make the decision that was made. And we've also seen the ripple effect, and this happens with companies that we work with too. One company does something and everybody follows suit bad or good.</p>
<p>We're seeing it right now in this whole return to office. One company finally pulls the plug and says, you've got to come back. And then we see a ripple where other companies follow suit because no one often wants to be first. And we know in business that it's all copycat. That's why they all talk in this stupid business jargon language, which is another part of our segment today. So now that she has pulled back and they are not taping the show, then other talk shows also announce that they also will be delaying their seasons. Correct. Is this painful? Yes, but that's a whole point of a strike, whether you're pro-union or not. I think that we're all people earning a decent living,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZxsSHLxljkJxiSj2dk1L3FT6Kx08zMR8qTPVPsAUHL1D-KO_U3Kybm9Y3hgETdGbuLSSVNrhyG9rfgDi0gQ9C_SEQUQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=462.44'>07:42</a>):</p>
<p>And that's all that these, they're not fighting to become billionaires. That's not what the fight is about. They want to have health insurance. They want to be able to have entry level positions. When it comes to actors, they want extras. Extra is often, it's almost like an internship into the business. They don't get paid a lot, but they get to learn on the job, they get to network, they get to be around, they learn the language of a set and how production goes. And one of the things that the studios wanted to do is to take extras in that background stuff and be able to AI it into 50,000 different other scenes movies. So imagine this, you go, you get paid a hundred bucks for your full day of work, and now somebody wants you to sign over the rights to that day of work for eternity so they can just drop you into other things. Yes, technology is here, but I am not a fan personally of technology, completely erasing humanity. I believe that the best use of technology helps us to do our jobs better. It works for us. It's not competing with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dCvsCebTt2tFPMYMEJT6rFC0x7Nd5sqyRY99dZtNRUih5up8yzFbe40BZ9FiyQYcqaj5XCJxUZYkY6vLs5OLAWVXEQE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.1'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, that's just wholly unethical.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1ojCCK4bw7xRp19uCllvVyfSDaT6iNLXe6JHJg8fRR_kl0gkJE-J6LkCr5VPI0qQMWkwJiTvkJ6cmW4p_GwXzzNE5JU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=546.09'>09:06</a>):</p>
<p>I believe it is too. And so I've heard a lot of people just, they don't understand. They don't know what's going on with these strikes. And they really have this viewpoint that people in Hollywood all make so much money. And when I shared with people some of the residual checks that people make or some of the money that they make given year, they were shocked that it was less than they make at their, what they consider to be a regular job. We're not talking about tech executives. We're not talking about C-suite people. We're talking about people that just go to work every day. They have a job, they make a decent living. They were shocked to learn that people in this industry often make far less than they do. And it's because in every industry, you always have somebody on the bottom, somebody in the middle, and somebody at the top. Every industry that doesn't go away just because of the type of industry.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgDD6dFPtTN_dj32FnnSZmq0qLT2id1p2KzrZGncFDj1YHV7jc263b8BroRDZaPFAZl2hm5-OGPOQHBtRyG1qLaBnH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.87'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I think it speaks to a wider mentality, and I'm going to presume it's probably mostly an American thing. You always hear the pushback of, oh, they want this kind of raise. Why should they get that? It's like, do you understand? If they do that, it will eventually benefit you? This is not a competition. You are not meant to be jealous. Oh, so you want to be paid less, is that what you're saying? Pay me less. It's not a contest. We only have, look unions a lot of good, a lot of not so great, but we have weekends because of unions. We have, well, in most states right now, some states are bringing back child labor. We don't have child labor because of union. So them asking for what the value of their work is bringing these companies don't act like just because it's not an opportunity for you today. Oh, they're being greedy. Just shut up and go to work. It's like, really? Do you really want to be a surf? I don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/410buDxJ4jXR_RGQZMcqVLHQnWIOxOPCA0_Z3nlZDqhGqmYmj0SMyHe13CBYEfbzpLsl2iXLMZ3tBGDFzdgrR3pSiYA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=669.39'>11:09</a>):</p>
<p>And it is a little shortsighted to actually be a member of a union that's on strike and make the decision that Drew Barrymore made. That's a more telling issue because people that don't agree with the unions and would love to see them go away, they don't like the collective bargaining. They want every individual to bargain for themselves. Nothing wrong with that point of view. It really isn't. So we're not here to say pro or anti-union or whatever. We're here to say that when you are running a business, you really need to take into account who you're speaking to and the impact of your decisions. And you have to rely on more than your own perception or your intentions. It just gets you into trouble every time. And this time it really got her into trouble. I think that she'll recover from it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mTluKZJ4Jq0rOEWS90ZFNeU_XOZd0NgLoZ8jn8cuKEcZZeWmFNqmY0DNRduez1eLGgs9a2QkCv8aUK40JSuDxwtoiB8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=725.08'>12:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I believe that</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QeczmoCBFCOFJwiux2mPUdB9-D_Qz-cAu4UPJBdzwiVnDa70sxlhNHljPDwISVBg_zron_an8xe-Ob1PvhtZyoYuPkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=727.27'>12:07</a>):</p>
<p>She, over time has actually built a lot of goodwill. So I do think that she will recover, but it was just unfortunate that it had to take this turn. And we know that on a smaller basis, we probably have seen this with clients as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oVr-1gbXc8PBtHwBCh90NpHHoS7DBmcKaU7mSv6yW-JLiwga47mbps6JzmHlVt_IBSEJyKgq4qnVAJGb4ZNZ0PcDu1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=743.47'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, definitely, definitely. And to be fair, same thing has happened with Bill Maher. He decided to come back Now, of course said no. And I think it was also what the talk and the Jennifer Hudson show, they were making similar decisions into which even if you're a talk show, it's like, well, who do you think is going to be your guest? But speaking of shortsightedness and not really having much of a clue, let's move on to the new president of the University of Florida, former Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z8iKOZfhSdNWQ9Egs1bb62cwAqaBcwl3sRmQs735iJmOaAxn2_ahvK8qUzrIQ1YD8dQqO2GsikI5Qphp4RP3r8KaYKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=786.13'>13:06</a>):</p>
<p>We're looking at this purely from a PR lens. So, University of Florida, which is one of the top schools in the nation, and their model has been fantastic, has a new president, and his name is Ben Sasse, and he's a business guy. Nothing wrong with I get it. You bring somebody into a different industry because they have a different way of solving problems, a different perspective. I have no issues with that choice from a PR perspective. One thing that jumped out at us is that Ben Sasse has done some interviews and he is a businessperson, and he makes the mistake that so many PR professionals will instantly recognize. How many of you have clients that you have set up interviews with and you're trying, you have media trained them for thought leadership, and they cannot get out of their own way and speak like a human being. They just cannot speak like a person.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kblzQkPA6GV_cvR632Z88tBmETyEjskbjsP5DloJdu2cIhMrf27drEHpphMPeFLRa_JVDp-wesduZdh7z6lQUz6aL0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=850.9'>14:10</a>):</p>
<p>We have to tell you, we were working with a client and we had a partner, and the partner was a very large, very well-known household name company. And so the interview included our client, a smaller client and this household name company. And the reporter came back to us after the interview and applauded our client and their interview and their input and said basically that the household name company was trash because they could not speak like a human being. They just gave them a bunch of standard company jargon. So if you want to do thought leadership, this is the worst way to do it. It's the worst way, honestly, to communicate with anyone that phrase that you should communicate to be understood, not heard. And unfortunately, some executives, some business people, some regular people feel like they need to sound smart. They need to use all of the inside words.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VCGpJ0wQOE1Ra3PxfHGUJTBVjxaGu9qB1a2iQJHRrOQlqMHK6jQinbhpYbGep4c7D7RJqhWzd25GEOwoUhBe0x1Wg9Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926.03'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>When you are talking inside of your own companies, you do not need to do this. You do not need to prove that you have the glossary of terms that are used. Sometimes if you're a medical doctor, obviously you need to use technical language in certain positions. You have to use technical language within your job. But it would serve everyone well to learn how to speak a human being. And I want to read you an example of one of his answers. It is so completely, it's like, what does he even saying right now? I don't even know. I'll have to find the quote.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/98qmfKAmLm9EfiSzUXYsIRL1iTLrqEpIszfdJQiOG0qKheiGrn3x6dTWnoD68W15LEjxcn6JJOqVvWew_oH6TGzLllo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=972.8'>16:12</a>):</p>
<p>I believe co-location was one of the words. It was just, I'm like, really? And I wonder because he was previously, he's the former senator from Nebraska. And you have to wonder, is he just not used to speaking things that weren't carefully crafted for him or is now that he's out of that world, he's just again refusing counsel and saying, nah, I'm good. I'll wing it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6PCpKj39PPEXzVatrCrMgrAaDFy_wn0BLHLM7Jng8ldqc7SyBFkhAI11myKYbAtAU7ESFLDSiJvGgG2MpWTtqS_BdI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1002.26'>16:42</a>):</p>
<p>He was asked about his perceived invisibility on campus because there's been a lot of stuff on the campus about how he's not seen the previous president. The students don't see him. He's just not visible. And so part of his answer, and this is in quotes, and this is from New York Times magazine, and he says, and that requires us to unbundle cohorting community and synchronicity from co localities. And then he added, what will today's generic term professor mean when you disaggregate syllabus designer, sage on the stage, lecturer, seminar leader, instructional technologist, greater assessor, et cetera. So cohorting community and synchronicity from localities even mean, and what it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gj6rB_XZJi-V7CSbBqe-wmCb9kea6retgovroPqz5Ymo7T1R-siZi8A4FEeHIanYiqloAgTmb2jBM-Z5mQz8oxVB-b4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1053.18'>17:33</a>):</p>
<p>Sounds like it hurts.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GIiYbH4JIyOhhW93xjm1f949F4IZYEAc9sagN4W3vBalQYXHEDDhamTgfY426Wf9SOiM90f6j65JJDq05OKHQ25gwME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1055.06'>17:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. What does that have to do with students saying they never see you on campus? Please do not do this at home, folks.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uYif50-fJLKtLW-bihc_1yAInykNnLrfLumpZ2KYSnBDCxWYNtjmX8sVvaTQFGakraPFwl4WX3TjfS5zTDWb5ak5c30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1068.23'>17:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, my university wasn't anywhere near as large as the University of Florida, but we knew who our president was. We would see him, we would see the provost, we would see them out and about saying, hello. It's a little strange, and maybe I'll give him a little benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's transitioning from being in the hyperbaric chamber of DC or maybe he just isn't, isn't really for…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I7c3GW94JsCZAvK0HPRHpZ2G5IKbE_7ufhlrQoleQOzMbTFDvhMgGhEjkSesi8G3xpTeQzorhBi8MlVGD19dTwN5a_A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.53'>18:22</a>):</p>
<p>And I feel like this, feeling like they're so accustomed to speaking in this inside baseball language and it's a language of the privileged they feel as if they have to speak this language so that people know how incredibly brilliant they are. But the people who have an impact and are memorable, are people who know how to speak to you like a person. They don't need to use the big words. And we PR people, we love the dictionary. We love grammar, we love words. We love to bring out old words and use them in different places. But when you are communicating with people, it's so much more important to just be plain spoken and to be memorable. People will remember words that they can hold onto. They're not going to remember that you said unbundle cohort team. I want to even know what does that even mean?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NhVUM1WJYmz1m_1XvQyMK10nUPJXDdeohkTez26_iNq-BHmaX0iU2rXQaZa5-CeuaUSjI21nRz0rmFd-xsygSQHdWio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1172.28'>19:32</a>):</p>
<p>And honestly, as soon as you said synchronicity, I was already playing songs from the police album in my mind. So you lost me, Ben. But speaking of the police and rock and roll, our number three person who he has literally taken PR in vain is Jan Wener, who has come out with this book called The Masters. And he has truly and purely stepped in it or revealed to anyone who had any wonder of how he really is when he claims, well, I don't know if he was approached as to why are there only white men in your book? And he made some ridiculous claims that, well, I guess I could have interviewed one black person and one woman to be for PR purposes. Okay, that's not PR Jan, but whatever. But they couldn't be articulate. I'm like, I'm sorry, say what? I have three words for you.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tjCgS82xwK_CSZtO8hry6dEFENzF8XlpsYvdlFfODmX_GZLglBK22oy8lEkhgH7fmpKbag5-t0DU-24yXC9-1PanOnM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1228.35'>20:28</a>):</p>
<p>Sister Rosetta invented the electric guitar rock and roll riff. If, and I kind of feel for the people that he did interview, I really would love to hear from them as if to say, yeah, I'm in that book, but that's not how I roll. Just incredibly tone deaf. And it really tarnishes the musical journalism reputation of Rolling Stone, even though he was just the editor and the publisher. He wasn't the writer, but all the coverage over the years, you're like, huh, why didn't so-and-so get featured as much? Oh, really? Oh, you don't think Stevie Wonder could talk about his music? Really? Oh, so yeah, he's in our, I don't even like to say doghouse because I love dogs. He's in our PR bad house right now. He</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfHNm5vJUoNzpDWSuoi_Dy1vXeui2ZoHAcDCaIWCmAWviEoPcm8AtR6WO9XnW5LqhTscwwOuhD8NaE7cmV7d_O0QUrM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1279.48'>21:19</a>):</p>
<p>Has been removed from the rock and roll board. Yes, he has from his position. And I think that those were great decisions. And Michelle, I mean, I completely respect you, particularly on so many topics, but you're a music nerd.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x4NGqZ4aMcxXcmBEoVBjsA8-co9qZxytfa3pXc8lHUVI5IsUv-FUqZ6hooaNjqPweAMdHTJQkBfFsxYtl1tHAtsdJPw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1296.25'>21:36</a>):</p>
<p>I am.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WLROMBJN38PRr9-u-jHI0sLSCZBDy_-OIUGjdV6xwFuLhtWQvz7cB1UW9gonGeTOv_YIw4g7V6apr1b7k5m04z9QPow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1297.84'>21:37</a>):</p>
<p>You are a music nerd. You love music. You know music. You can talk music. And it just hurt my heart to read words that you have one human being who has power, who communicated that there's only a certain subset of people that make music that can actually talk about it in an intelligent manner. This from someone who is not a musician, by the way, he's not a musician.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZW4x6L7HZWerwnu3KhWZQi5geiit5MZ4Aj05SGMuTG7toSU7BPWxeN82dy08bXVHnh6rf75eqgBbApIGwDvqx0DyWS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1332.49'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>No. Here again, this goes to me. I mean, this is not a diversity, equity, inclusivity, and belonging issue because he is clearly biased, period. No amount of de I and B training would've helped this man. He really needs a mindset shift. But it is a good example of us understanding companies, organizations, strategic advisors, PR council, understanding the people that we connect to, our brands and our companies, understanding what their perspectives are, not just their intelligence on a particular topic. So I am sure that he achieved his status and position because he developed talents and he had some knowledge about this industry. But did anyone ever look beyond that over the years? Did anyone question why certain people weren't interviewed and why he held certain opinions or wrote certain things? So I think that as communicators, it's important for us to ensure that our clients are not attached to people that could damage their reputations because this rubs off on them. And Michelle, you nailed it. You started to look back and say, now I'm questioning decisions that were made under his leadership, knowing now what I know about this human being. Absolutely. So it can turnage great work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3ZJdalguVs6fsKQTwrxLm_FxgaqGGDQ6uggDQB3LHUm8jBJ7Lfqm0AwFgNlrnKRKBFjnh3TtKLWkFDo2rwKF2VjUbwg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1440.78'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FiomGGWUljXwIGSwKV5xfmOrobaq7hnYSmwyZCQ_dS6bqL_O83QN2C5TWpodYPVC9M8_A4Z3bY2Z9PvKDlPWgVMLrgE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1442.66'>24:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not because your organization sucks. I mean, no has had some problematic.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-l6yprOdR_i7JHwh_OvmmqVFC-GbGOxPO5LElU_Vmb9Kj_P5fBN5HogRosN_gDtHIGIPFoLHaosVHaMjbs8T00a93ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1451.03'>24:11</a>):</p>
<p>Problematic, yes. And there's been an undercurrent of thoughts about this person's perspectives, but this just you. I'm like, okay, well thank you for confirming what so many of people have said. I won't repeat what one of my friends posted.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vh7ine1g1EqZJPD0Z7yCg7mz4GqwEMFNgxaKkIFAkxJxFqkXciga2J_Wk_xb_2FUlR6n5Yh2PNwno0ZiB9iOLzUG-Fc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1472.36'>24:32</a>):</p>
<p>I dunno this man at all. But his comments come across like a hateful, misogynistic, racist. Can I just be honest about it? Exactly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mpa0Gp_Q7JAbrF5eg0kqbB5itcVxVSWSP1ruZa50lXZMHRVRMc9P4fiXdgIE29OJfCgYCRsWLAyKfLL2O8fD0uCtPwk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1480.61'>24:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BknzdV3V12dSzhIwJIih89Qntuv_vv1_8GP5-ikJYjtfuY4LjViiVMyJIrbw_L-3ldhLIwBCHupUswH6LMc3cl225iw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1481.13'>24:41</a>):</p>
<p>So, basically you hate women and any other race.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KhLJet-0EFhy6bh93tAaHjtCSgiGOuz88-hqCsYZkk8sd2pEroKQYZbW8DI5YjGY3NekOVh6SP1QRDI-U2XbmcsbxZM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1484.57'>24:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. They're not on the same par as your white male counterparts. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the textbook definition. And I'm fairly certain of half the names you dropped that they would highly disagree with you. I don't dunno if David Bowie saying</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MtGVQPrzwvjtRXxewEvkfq4YHY1S548a43NUOnrVARSyllW3V1ZfEspJv2HFJSrDDbEPzr7HvI6DBvK8CRBTSyAfkyE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1504.25'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>This out loud.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ogWo7DKSxeTzT9C11Bcgq1oJGNa8NS8Z5-0yREYOAn3tqzzsELkPUOIca0UP-IHBi50vo1wRQJHtnu8nrTuMCoDoc34?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1506.26'>25:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you're saying the quiet part out loud, which happens oh so often these days. And yeah, along that topic, if anyone's interested, there's that brilliant clip of David Bowie being interviewed on MTV in the early eighties addressing just that and calling them out to their faces. And it's just a beautiful for us nerds who love to see a good interview and how they can go, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GWR0wiq-htLkCquvSFOHk4T0HWDHSysdTUE4B1nvyMYbB8zd1SgdApRDvCNtVGRFKRCUKG26K6Ubtx35-bp6n1oVviE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1529.59'>25:29</a>):</p>
<p>We love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v4VexQWGBhncmOBC3h-cVgEQRjs45jIGGNrHXQYJiErlmMiv7K7dwQ_clfDaAgQNm9JjPzOwkdjz0wawMvmC23KDixc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1530.84'>25:30</a>):</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s time to check in on the latest in pop culture and PR. From recent missteps from the rock and roll world to shows trying to return to air during the WGA and SAG/AFTRA strikes, we talk about it.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p_ilaVu7IEG1G8iM47KbF24UDwKLk0_-xm-hYbEwJTInh16i3SXdqwhjqnT_FVXp7zUGkT3mI6wO3L-3ONzjf41P93I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.58'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. It's another week and here we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rblKPUtp_C3a5wXf1gFF6hKqW4SS2S_RNcn0jbKppXOpdB-8nuYPqepdPYxWH8H8huoruTGDGrd_Yqv2kYA0LRjvnLM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.01'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hi Michelle. We made it. We made it. It's been a week.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/41-tl1969ZixhGymmJLcDxIXAps5Cg1u3l4JtQwK6zPalxcDwotB1Z70-ir3_PYOe4wtBh72YrrCggvA8eQIgqmuOdA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.35'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, it's been a week. And it hasn't even been a week already.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZDTUwGu825GF9WIafs9cwKIqFChqFvQ28jkz03U2jZneJI05WLfF97zPvNKIhtObQ-gPTszrVsnbHtLk-wZVEgaqVw0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.48'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EK6S0I09dEZbAW-q01iVEHaLi0ee5vTmwV_66MNvp3jbQLJNhZd-PBhawSljisIY4knN0ca9k8RsfSZZGSfnxVW-M3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=31.56'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>But our week is nothing like the weeks of some people out there in pop culture land. So we're just going to touch on that a little bit. I'm sure if any of you are following any of the hot topics right now with the Writers’ Strike, the Actors’ Strike. We know Drew Barrymore had some issues with that. We've got some stuff out of Florida, and Jan Winter stepped in it too with Rolling, rolling Stone in the Rock and Roll Hall. And not that we're saying this to just disown people, but there are some very instructive PR moments that some of these aforementioned people received well and acted upon and others have not. But that's okay. It's just like us and clients. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n3D8f3iUrTkX6sMpbQCmGYa9yXfU4N5ImP5Re-EyvuAR03c05GiUHWzCTmDFRePnUrygk0oRQLEhrqGxvybQWnz3qBQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=81'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>100%. And I actually, I love our pop culture PR segments because they're always fun and they're a nice break from a lot of the other things that all of us have to deal within our day-to-day. So yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8NtH6ULLwxBW6WixPpaqiqyF1AOm8nVZnUW5z9ajeJKWrglXmcLkyLDl9QEtvyZyyCMWWRSqmG-tjkN3yT4vFrUmktI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.25'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yes. Let's get into it. So Drew, I love Drew. I know she means, well, I think she most certainly was thinking of those members of her crew and those people affected by the strike and being off the job and what that is starting to mean financially for so many people that she announced. She made the decision to come back to work that was met with pretty significant backlash, which in turn, she then rescinded and is not going back. And I know we were talking off air about, I had seen Rosie O'Donnell posted something that was very instructive for Drew. In fact, Rosie, if you're looking to make a foray into pr, you nailed it. She just laid out three things, a apologize, B, change your mind and see, just state it like this and you'll be fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/h4tZTkYp7xBu37khMQ26qaKi86Xz58n9kvbhW18ptZ1mgWuD2Hx-q6QyCE2zCjtSAX8Fae34fJM1J3W6eaVt-gn347c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=156.39'>02:36</a>):</p>
<p>I love Drew Barrymore as well. And I think that her misstep, of course, the first thing that was asked is who's advising her? People automatically assume that there was some failure on the part of advisors, but then other smart people asked. The question was, did she listen to counsel? My guess is that obviously she does have really good PR people that are on her team. My guess is that they truly did advise her, but that she led with her will and her heart. And I do believe that she was well intentioned, but very misinformed. So here's a thing that stood out to me. Number one, here's somebody who is an industry veteran. She grew up in this industry. That, however, is not always apparently an indication that you really understand the industry that you've been in for a long time. So she's been in it for a long time.</p>
<p>She's made a lot of money in the industry. She definitely is one of the privileged that is not feeling the strike in the same way, however, because she has a good heart. She wanted to do something good, but she missed the mark on this one and she forgot her audience. I don't want to spend people's money. But there's all kinds of ways that you can help people that work for you without affecting the wider industry and the issues and thinking about how this is going to play to the average American, many of whom are in her audience are also in labor unions, have family members in labor unions or are being impacted by workplace issues. So it was a great misstep. And so the lesson to leaders is just because you think something is right, and just because you're operating off of good intentions, it's really smart to have strategic counsel that will tell you the truth and to look beyond yourself and your perceptions and truly understand the impact on the audience.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yCEPOMGFrnyt3VP0mPzHkgyrldX47nsO-Nv51PWemjdvKP7FUk2YdNzNjKy_ny-jrB_PavUZR70u06lC6I3cyx5RNNI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=290.02'>04:50</a>):</p>
<p>And when you're a brand of that size, your impact on the larger marketplace. I have friends that have been on the picket lines. I have friends that are not multimillionaires who are being affected by these strikes. I have friends that are actors and friends that are writers. It is disheartening to see somebody show up for a smaller group of people because you want to feel good about it and you want to put a statement out saying, I own this choice. Okay, are you owning the big mistake that this is too? It was a slap in the case to all of those people that don't have Drew Barrymore as their boss, which is the majority of people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NrKHri2vnr5XpqPcBDu5dkG3rZPz-CSNWWzzXgMV8jCz2ywEJZZZY7RPHgqGFhzBrW1WoduxFqz6cuKuE56MvlGoq_E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=330.31'>05:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So true. So true. And it definitely went against the whole purpose of a strike. And to your point, you're asking audience members to cross a picket line. And so there was a subset snafu with all of this where there were two audience members who the picketers gave them pins. They wore the pins, they were kicked out of the audience. So it's also a message to someone in her, or maybe you're not a talk show host. Maybe you're a c e O of a company. Yeah, you keep the 30,000 foot view, but you better keep your ear to the ground too so that your staff knows not to do that because Hello Drew, you're in the SAG after union.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-BlsZq8Dl4l6Iz2qSDQKikoAFC8jIcr_HO1F4o0vl0AzUgGWsTBgLbnpIdM-tHEHg6wqhApqAsGqAJ5pIuy5kLgzspg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=376.55'>06:16</a>):</p>
<p>That's unfortunate, but has she been out on the picket line routinely? Has she been talking to people who are losing their livelihood, who cannot pay their rent, who cannot make their mortgage payments? Apparently not.</p>
<p>Because you can't hear these stories, you can't know these people. You can't walk in their shoes and make the decision that was made. And we've also seen the ripple effect, and this happens with companies that we work with too. One company does something and everybody follows suit bad or good.</p>
<p>We're seeing it right now in this whole return to office. One company finally pulls the plug and says, you've got to come back. And then we see a ripple where other companies follow suit because no one often wants to be first. And we know in business that it's all copycat. That's why they all talk in this stupid business jargon language, which is another part of our segment today. So now that she has pulled back and they are not taping the show, then other talk shows also announce that they also will be delaying their seasons. Correct. Is this painful? Yes, but that's a whole point of a strike, whether you're pro-union or not. I think that we're all people earning a decent living,</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZxsSHLxljkJxiSj2dk1L3FT6Kx08zMR8qTPVPsAUHL1D-KO_U3Kybm9Y3hgETdGbuLSSVNrhyG9rfgDi0gQ9C_SEQUQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=462.44'>07:42</a>):</p>
<p>And that's all that these, they're not fighting to become billionaires. That's not what the fight is about. They want to have health insurance. They want to be able to have entry level positions. When it comes to actors, they want extras. Extra is often, it's almost like an internship into the business. They don't get paid a lot, but they get to learn on the job, they get to network, they get to be around, they learn the language of a set and how production goes. And one of the things that the studios wanted to do is to take extras in that background stuff and be able to AI it into 50,000 different other scenes movies. So imagine this, you go, you get paid a hundred bucks for your full day of work, and now somebody wants you to sign over the rights to that day of work for eternity so they can just drop you into other things. Yes, technology is here, but I am not a fan personally of technology, completely erasing humanity. I believe that the best use of technology helps us to do our jobs better. It works for us. It's not competing with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dCvsCebTt2tFPMYMEJT6rFC0x7Nd5sqyRY99dZtNRUih5up8yzFbe40BZ9FiyQYcqaj5XCJxUZYkY6vLs5OLAWVXEQE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.1'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, that's just wholly unethical.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1ojCCK4bw7xRp19uCllvVyfSDaT6iNLXe6JHJg8fRR_kl0gkJE-J6LkCr5VPI0qQMWkwJiTvkJ6cmW4p_GwXzzNE5JU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=546.09'>09:06</a>):</p>
<p>I believe it is too. And so I've heard a lot of people just, they don't understand. They don't know what's going on with these strikes. And they really have this viewpoint that people in Hollywood all make so much money. And when I shared with people some of the residual checks that people make or some of the money that they make given year, they were shocked that it was less than they make at their, what they consider to be a regular job. We're not talking about tech executives. We're not talking about C-suite people. We're talking about people that just go to work every day. They have a job, they make a decent living. They were shocked to learn that people in this industry often make far less than they do. And it's because in every industry, you always have somebody on the bottom, somebody in the middle, and somebody at the top. Every industry that doesn't go away just because of the type of industry.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgDD6dFPtTN_dj32FnnSZmq0qLT2id1p2KzrZGncFDj1YHV7jc263b8BroRDZaPFAZl2hm5-OGPOQHBtRyG1qLaBnH4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.87'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I think it speaks to a wider mentality, and I'm going to presume it's probably mostly an American thing. You always hear the pushback of, oh, they want this kind of raise. Why should they get that? It's like, do you understand? If they do that, it will eventually benefit you? This is not a competition. You are not meant to be jealous. Oh, so you want to be paid less, is that what you're saying? Pay me less. It's not a contest. We only have, look unions a lot of good, a lot of not so great, but we have weekends because of unions. We have, well, in most states right now, some states are bringing back child labor. We don't have child labor because of union. So them asking for what the value of their work is bringing these companies don't act like just because it's not an opportunity for you today. Oh, they're being greedy. Just shut up and go to work. It's like, really? Do you really want to be a surf? I don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/410buDxJ4jXR_RGQZMcqVLHQnWIOxOPCA0_Z3nlZDqhGqmYmj0SMyHe13CBYEfbzpLsl2iXLMZ3tBGDFzdgrR3pSiYA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=669.39'>11:09</a>):</p>
<p>And it is a little shortsighted to actually be a member of a union that's on strike and make the decision that Drew Barrymore made. That's a more telling issue because people that don't agree with the unions and would love to see them go away, they don't like the collective bargaining. They want every individual to bargain for themselves. Nothing wrong with that point of view. It really isn't. So we're not here to say pro or anti-union or whatever. We're here to say that when you are running a business, you really need to take into account who you're speaking to and the impact of your decisions. And you have to rely on more than your own perception or your intentions. It just gets you into trouble every time. And this time it really got her into trouble. I think that she'll recover from it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mTluKZJ4Jq0rOEWS90ZFNeU_XOZd0NgLoZ8jn8cuKEcZZeWmFNqmY0DNRduez1eLGgs9a2QkCv8aUK40JSuDxwtoiB8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=725.08'>12:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I believe that</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QeczmoCBFCOFJwiux2mPUdB9-D_Qz-cAu4UPJBdzwiVnDa70sxlhNHljPDwISVBg_zron_an8xe-Ob1PvhtZyoYuPkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=727.27'>12:07</a>):</p>
<p>She, over time has actually built a lot of goodwill. So I do think that she will recover, but it was just unfortunate that it had to take this turn. And we know that on a smaller basis, we probably have seen this with clients as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oVr-1gbXc8PBtHwBCh90NpHHoS7DBmcKaU7mSv6yW-JLiwga47mbps6JzmHlVt_IBSEJyKgq4qnVAJGb4ZNZ0PcDu1M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=743.47'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, definitely, definitely. And to be fair, same thing has happened with Bill Maher. He decided to come back Now, of course said no. And I think it was also what the talk and the Jennifer Hudson show, they were making similar decisions into which even if you're a talk show, it's like, well, who do you think is going to be your guest? But speaking of shortsightedness and not really having much of a clue, let's move on to the new president of the University of Florida, former Nebraska Senator Ben Sasse.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z8iKOZfhSdNWQ9Egs1bb62cwAqaBcwl3sRmQs735iJmOaAxn2_ahvK8qUzrIQ1YD8dQqO2GsikI5Qphp4RP3r8KaYKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=786.13'>13:06</a>):</p>
<p>We're looking at this purely from a PR lens. So, University of Florida, which is one of the top schools in the nation, and their model has been fantastic, has a new president, and his name is Ben Sasse, and he's a business guy. Nothing wrong with I get it. You bring somebody into a different industry because they have a different way of solving problems, a different perspective. I have no issues with that choice from a PR perspective. One thing that jumped out at us is that Ben Sasse has done some interviews and he is a businessperson, and he makes the mistake that so many PR professionals will instantly recognize. How many of you have clients that you have set up interviews with and you're trying, you have media trained them for thought leadership, and they cannot get out of their own way and speak like a human being. They just cannot speak like a person.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kblzQkPA6GV_cvR632Z88tBmETyEjskbjsP5DloJdu2cIhMrf27drEHpphMPeFLRa_JVDp-wesduZdh7z6lQUz6aL0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=850.9'>14:10</a>):</p>
<p>We have to tell you, we were working with a client and we had a partner, and the partner was a very large, very well-known household name company. And so the interview included our client, a smaller client and this household name company. And the reporter came back to us after the interview and applauded our client and their interview and their input and said basically that the household name company was trash because they could not speak like a human being. They just gave them a bunch of standard company jargon. So if you want to do thought leadership, this is the worst way to do it. It's the worst way, honestly, to communicate with anyone that phrase that you should communicate to be understood, not heard. And unfortunately, some executives, some business people, some regular people feel like they need to sound smart. They need to use all of the inside words.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VCGpJ0wQOE1Ra3PxfHGUJTBVjxaGu9qB1a2iQJHRrOQlqMHK6jQinbhpYbGep4c7D7RJqhWzd25GEOwoUhBe0x1Wg9Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926.03'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>When you are talking inside of your own companies, you do not need to do this. You do not need to prove that you have the glossary of terms that are used. Sometimes if you're a medical doctor, obviously you need to use technical language in certain positions. You have to use technical language within your job. But it would serve everyone well to learn how to speak a human being. And I want to read you an example of one of his answers. It is so completely, it's like, what does he even saying right now? I don't even know. I'll have to find the quote.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/98qmfKAmLm9EfiSzUXYsIRL1iTLrqEpIszfdJQiOG0qKheiGrn3x6dTWnoD68W15LEjxcn6JJOqVvWew_oH6TGzLllo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=972.8'>16:12</a>):</p>
<p>I believe co-location was one of the words. It was just, I'm like, really? And I wonder because he was previously, he's the former senator from Nebraska. And you have to wonder, is he just not used to speaking things that weren't carefully crafted for him or is now that he's out of that world, he's just again refusing counsel and saying, nah, I'm good. I'll wing it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v6PCpKj39PPEXzVatrCrMgrAaDFy_wn0BLHLM7Jng8ldqc7SyBFkhAI11myKYbAtAU7ESFLDSiJvGgG2MpWTtqS_BdI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1002.26'>16:42</a>):</p>
<p>He was asked about his perceived invisibility on campus because there's been a lot of stuff on the campus about how he's not seen the previous president. The students don't see him. He's just not visible. And so part of his answer, and this is in quotes, and this is from New York Times magazine, and he says, and that requires us to unbundle cohorting community and synchronicity from co localities. And then he added, what will today's generic term professor mean when you disaggregate syllabus designer, sage on the stage, lecturer, seminar leader, instructional technologist, greater assessor, et cetera. So cohorting community and synchronicity from localities even mean, and what it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gj6rB_XZJi-V7CSbBqe-wmCb9kea6retgovroPqz5Ymo7T1R-siZi8A4FEeHIanYiqloAgTmb2jBM-Z5mQz8oxVB-b4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1053.18'>17:33</a>):</p>
<p>Sounds like it hurts.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GIiYbH4JIyOhhW93xjm1f949F4IZYEAc9sagN4W3vBalQYXHEDDhamTgfY426Wf9SOiM90f6j65JJDq05OKHQ25gwME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1055.06'>17:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. What does that have to do with students saying they never see you on campus? Please do not do this at home, folks.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uYif50-fJLKtLW-bihc_1yAInykNnLrfLumpZ2KYSnBDCxWYNtjmX8sVvaTQFGakraPFwl4WX3TjfS5zTDWb5ak5c30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1068.23'>17:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean, my university wasn't anywhere near as large as the University of Florida, but we knew who our president was. We would see him, we would see the provost, we would see them out and about saying, hello. It's a little strange, and maybe I'll give him a little benefit of the doubt. Maybe he's transitioning from being in the hyperbaric chamber of DC or maybe he just isn't, isn't really for…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/I7c3GW94JsCZAvK0HPRHpZ2G5IKbE_7ufhlrQoleQOzMbTFDvhMgGhEjkSesi8G3xpTeQzorhBi8MlVGD19dTwN5a_A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.53'>18:22</a>):</p>
<p>And I feel like this, feeling like they're so accustomed to speaking in this inside baseball language and it's a language of the privileged they feel as if they have to speak this language so that people know how incredibly brilliant they are. But the people who have an impact and are memorable, are people who know how to speak to you like a person. They don't need to use the big words. And we PR people, we love the dictionary. We love grammar, we love words. We love to bring out old words and use them in different places. But when you are communicating with people, it's so much more important to just be plain spoken and to be memorable. People will remember words that they can hold onto. They're not going to remember that you said unbundle cohort team. I want to even know what does that even mean?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NhVUM1WJYmz1m_1XvQyMK10nUPJXDdeohkTez26_iNq-BHmaX0iU2rXQaZa5-CeuaUSjI21nRz0rmFd-xsygSQHdWio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1172.28'>19:32</a>):</p>
<p>And honestly, as soon as you said synchronicity, I was already playing songs from the police album in my mind. So you lost me, Ben. But speaking of the police and rock and roll, our number three person who he has literally taken PR in vain is Jan Wener, who has come out with this book called The Masters. And he has truly and purely stepped in it or revealed to anyone who had any wonder of how he really is when he claims, well, I don't know if he was approached as to why are there only white men in your book? And he made some ridiculous claims that, well, I guess I could have interviewed one black person and one woman to be for PR purposes. Okay, that's not PR Jan, but whatever. But they couldn't be articulate. I'm like, I'm sorry, say what? I have three words for you.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tjCgS82xwK_CSZtO8hry6dEFENzF8XlpsYvdlFfODmX_GZLglBK22oy8lEkhgH7fmpKbag5-t0DU-24yXC9-1PanOnM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1228.35'>20:28</a>):</p>
<p>Sister Rosetta invented the electric guitar rock and roll riff. If, and I kind of feel for the people that he did interview, I really would love to hear from them as if to say, yeah, I'm in that book, but that's not how I roll. Just incredibly tone deaf. And it really tarnishes the musical journalism reputation of Rolling Stone, even though he was just the editor and the publisher. He wasn't the writer, but all the coverage over the years, you're like, huh, why didn't so-and-so get featured as much? Oh, really? Oh, you don't think Stevie Wonder could talk about his music? Really? Oh, so yeah, he's in our, I don't even like to say doghouse because I love dogs. He's in our PR bad house right now. He</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NfHNm5vJUoNzpDWSuoi_Dy1vXeui2ZoHAcDCaIWCmAWviEoPcm8AtR6WO9XnW5LqhTscwwOuhD8NaE7cmV7d_O0QUrM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1279.48'>21:19</a>):</p>
<p>Has been removed from the rock and roll board. Yes, he has from his position. And I think that those were great decisions. And Michelle, I mean, I completely respect you, particularly on so many topics, but you're a music nerd.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/x4NGqZ4aMcxXcmBEoVBjsA8-co9qZxytfa3pXc8lHUVI5IsUv-FUqZ6hooaNjqPweAMdHTJQkBfFsxYtl1tHAtsdJPw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1296.25'>21:36</a>):</p>
<p>I am.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WLROMBJN38PRr9-u-jHI0sLSCZBDy_-OIUGjdV6xwFuLhtWQvz7cB1UW9gonGeTOv_YIw4g7V6apr1b7k5m04z9QPow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1297.84'>21:37</a>):</p>
<p>You are a music nerd. You love music. You know music. You can talk music. And it just hurt my heart to read words that you have one human being who has power, who communicated that there's only a certain subset of people that make music that can actually talk about it in an intelligent manner. This from someone who is not a musician, by the way, he's not a musician.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZW4x6L7HZWerwnu3KhWZQi5geiit5MZ4Aj05SGMuTG7toSU7BPWxeN82dy08bXVHnh6rf75eqgBbApIGwDvqx0DyWS8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1332.49'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>No. Here again, this goes to me. I mean, this is not a diversity, equity, inclusivity, and belonging issue because he is clearly biased, period. No amount of de I and B training would've helped this man. He really needs a mindset shift. But it is a good example of us understanding companies, organizations, strategic advisors, PR council, understanding the people that we connect to, our brands and our companies, understanding what their perspectives are, not just their intelligence on a particular topic. So I am sure that he achieved his status and position because he developed talents and he had some knowledge about this industry. But did anyone ever look beyond that over the years? Did anyone question why certain people weren't interviewed and why he held certain opinions or wrote certain things? So I think that as communicators, it's important for us to ensure that our clients are not attached to people that could damage their reputations because this rubs off on them. And Michelle, you nailed it. You started to look back and say, now I'm questioning decisions that were made under his leadership, knowing now what I know about this human being. Absolutely. So it can turnage great work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3ZJdalguVs6fsKQTwrxLm_FxgaqGGDQ6uggDQB3LHUm8jBJ7Lfqm0AwFgNlrnKRKBFjnh3TtKLWkFDo2rwKF2VjUbwg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1440.78'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>And</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FiomGGWUljXwIGSwKV5xfmOrobaq7hnYSmwyZCQ_dS6bqL_O83QN2C5TWpodYPVC9M8_A4Z3bY2Z9PvKDlPWgVMLrgE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1442.66'>24:02</a>):</p>
<p>Not because your organization sucks. I mean, no has had some problematic.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-l6yprOdR_i7JHwh_OvmmqVFC-GbGOxPO5LElU_Vmb9Kj_P5fBN5HogRosN_gDtHIGIPFoLHaosVHaMjbs8T00a93ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1451.03'>24:11</a>):</p>
<p>Problematic, yes. And there's been an undercurrent of thoughts about this person's perspectives, but this just you. I'm like, okay, well thank you for confirming what so many of people have said. I won't repeat what one of my friends posted.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vh7ine1g1EqZJPD0Z7yCg7mz4GqwEMFNgxaKkIFAkxJxFqkXciga2J_Wk_xb_2FUlR6n5Yh2PNwno0ZiB9iOLzUG-Fc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1472.36'>24:32</a>):</p>
<p>I dunno this man at all. But his comments come across like a hateful, misogynistic, racist. Can I just be honest about it? Exactly.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mpa0Gp_Q7JAbrF5eg0kqbB5itcVxVSWSP1ruZa50lXZMHRVRMc9P4fiXdgIE29OJfCgYCRsWLAyKfLL2O8fD0uCtPwk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1480.61'>24:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BknzdV3V12dSzhIwJIih89Qntuv_vv1_8GP5-ikJYjtfuY4LjViiVMyJIrbw_L-3ldhLIwBCHupUswH6LMc3cl225iw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1481.13'>24:41</a>):</p>
<p>So, basically you hate women and any other race.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KhLJet-0EFhy6bh93tAaHjtCSgiGOuz88-hqCsYZkk8sd2pEroKQYZbW8DI5YjGY3NekOVh6SP1QRDI-U2XbmcsbxZM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1484.57'>24:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. They're not on the same par as your white male counterparts. And I'm like, yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the textbook definition. And I'm fairly certain of half the names you dropped that they would highly disagree with you. I don't dunno if David Bowie saying</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MtGVQPrzwvjtRXxewEvkfq4YHY1S548a43NUOnrVARSyllW3V1ZfEspJv2HFJSrDDbEPzr7HvI6DBvK8CRBTSyAfkyE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1504.25'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>This out loud.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ogWo7DKSxeTzT9C11Bcgq1oJGNa8NS8Z5-0yREYOAn3tqzzsELkPUOIca0UP-IHBi50vo1wRQJHtnu8nrTuMCoDoc34?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1506.26'>25:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you're saying the quiet part out loud, which happens oh so often these days. And yeah, along that topic, if anyone's interested, there's that brilliant clip of David Bowie being interviewed on MTV in the early eighties addressing just that and calling them out to their faces. And it's just a beautiful for us nerds who love to see a good interview and how they can go, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GWR0wiq-htLkCquvSFOHk4T0HWDHSysdTUE4B1nvyMYbB8zd1SgdApRDvCNtVGRFKRCUKG26K6Ubtx35-bp6n1oVviE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1529.59'>25:29</a>):</p>
<p>We love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/v4VexQWGBhncmOBC3h-cVgEQRjs45jIGGNrHXQYJiErlmMiv7K7dwQ_clfDaAgQNm9JjPzOwkdjz0wawMvmC23KDixc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1530.84'>25:30</a>):</p>
<p>Well, we hope you've enjoyed this time with us. We enjoy just looking at the PR perspective of these things as we dish a little bit. And if you've found this valuable to you, we would love it if you would share it around with your friends and colleagues. Check us out@soloprpro.com. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. It's another week and here we are.
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
Hi Michelle. We made it. We made it. It's been a week.
Michelle Kane (00:25):
Oh, it's been a week. And it hasn't even been a week already.
Karen Swim, APR (00:30):
So true.
Michelle Kane (00:31):
But our week is nothing like the weeks of some people out there in pop culture land. So we're just going to touch on that a little bit. I'm sure if any of you are following any of the hot topics right now with the Writers’ Strike, the Actors’ Strike. We know Drew Barrymore had some issues with that. We've got some stuff out of Florida, and Jan Winter stepped in it too with Rolling, rolling Stone in the Rock and Roll Hall. And not that we're saying this to just disown people, but there are some very instructive PR moments that some of these aforementioned people received well and acted upon and others have not. But that's okay. It's just like us and clients. Sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't.
Karen Swim, APR (01:21):
100%. And I actually, I love our pop culture PR segments because they're always fun and they're a nice break from a lot of the other things that all of us have to deal within our day-to-day. So yes.
Michelle Kane (01:35):
Yeah. Yes. Let's get into it. So Drew, I love Drew. I know she means, well, I think she most certainly was thinking of those members of her crew and those people affected by the strike and being off the job and what that is starting to mean financially for so many people that she announced. She made the decision to come back to work that was met with pretty significant backlash, which in turn, she then rescinded and is not going back. And I know we were talking off air about, I had seen Rosie O'Donnell posted something that was very instructive for Drew. In fact, Rosie, if you're looking to make a foray into pr, you nailed it. She just laid out three things, a apologize, B, change your mind and see, just state it like this and you'll be fine.
Karen Swim, APR (02:36):
I love Drew Barrymore as well. And I think that her misstep, of course, the first thing that was asked is who's advising her? People automatically assume that there was some failure on the part of advisors, but then other smart people asked. The question was, did she listen to counsel? My guess is that obviously she does have really good PR people that are on her team. My guess is that they truly did advise her, but that she led with her will and her heart. And I do believe that she was well intentioned, but very misinformed. So here's a thing that stood out to me. Number one, here's somebody who is an industry veteran. She grew up in this industry. That, however, is not always apparently an indication that you really understand the industry that you've been in for a long time. So she's been in it for a long time.
She's made a lot of money in the industry. She definitely is one of the privileged that is not feeling the strike in the same way, however, because she has a good heart. She wanted to do something good, but she missed the mark on this one and she forgot her audience. I don't want to spend people's money. But there's all kinds of ways that you can help people that work for you without affecting the wider industry and the issues and thinking about how this is going to play to the average American, many of whom are in her audience are also in labor unions, have family members in labor unions or are being impacted by workplace issues. So it was a great misstep. And so the lesson to leaders is just because you th]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle welcome Mary Ellen “Mel” Miller, APR, MBA. Mel is the founder and CEO of MarketingMel, a solo PR firm that strengthens relationships between organizations and the publics they serve. Mel draws on the breadth of her lifelong career as a professional communicator in her new book, “Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects.” It’s a discussion you won’t want to miss.</p>
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<p>Buy the Book:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.amazon.com/Fill-Dam-Thing-Communicating-Infrastructure/dp/B0CCCJ6FRG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=22AF2SZX65IL0&amp;keywords=fill+the+dam+thing+up&amp;qid=1694725828&amp;sprefix=fill+the+dam+thinkg+up%2Caps%2C265&amp;sr=8-1'>“Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects” is available on Amazon.</a></p>
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<p>Connect with Mel:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketingmel/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketingmel/</a></p>
<p><a href='https://twitter.com/MarketingMel'>@MarketingMel</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9x1fIhxrPCcDeyyGqxLYT7b_gsNifwvlzHt4n_5cf4ErA3mLgygL9ZiFL_QFRXG3chCCbo6cs6g5NRd1TklBo1Eb2Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.51'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and our fearless leader over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim, and we are thrilled to welcome a guest today. Today we are joined by Mary Ellen, or as she likes to be called, Mel, Miller. Mel holds a special place in our hearts because she is an original Solo PR plankholder. Mel is an accredited public relations professional and the founder and CEO of Marketing Mel, a solo PR firm that strengthens relationships between organizations and the publics they serve. She and I are also fellow Rotarians, so shout out to the Rotarians out there. Mel draws on the breadth of her lifelong career as a professional communicator in her new book, soon to be a bestseller we called it now. That is called “Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects.” Welcome, Mel. Thank you for joining us today.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dAyfQG_ScHHXxEC2ZVmI4qlgTRiKnGpyJGXyvsOmMiOfiOKk9wKpKsd7lH3FUhBcGNKZPobC2FkK0Lg1-WzLbp9DDzs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=72.27'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hmgXUJt2k4tZRs6NjD6Xyse8YgUCqXtW06T17mm_ca5FXH0BEt95slvbTpXus0uz1ydUOfGAxu0IGn0Q2bIq_k82Uek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=75.96'>01:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we're so excited to talk to you and love the title of the book and I won't spoil it, but readers you are going to love it from the introduction and you'll love the little story behind the book title and just in reading the note about how the title came about, it just was such a feeling of comradery and just good. And the book is packed, packed with lots of good insights and information. So good you're here to talk about it.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a6o81Dg2Rr4YdCPtns6gSlK9-sib0Glr5QoVmLmo5kzyym9QAeJoVgew9B4jBJb0fiOZyi5y961F0ItZZooW58tczqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.68'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. Thank you. Karen,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b0f4KnafBm1tfm-DdmYxowplD7VGWwK5CSuAi6KvcU7K9ZLCZdsiEijSiccvSh5ofnE9WCf9yiDIo09HwgBuPFfOvhY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.71'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>What brought about you to write this book?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jXwq2iI8wqLhkOdC5U3njBFPWstpzibFDn4UhalxsDWacrvbYJf-9lUiiACe5KJdb7qAQQgT0xVAvTHelroi6Brha0k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.22'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I realized that it was a really unique project in that it was just a 25 minute drive from my home here in northeast Tennessee, but yet it evolved experts from across the world coming in here to keep a dam safe and to keep people downstream safe because ultimately that's what this project was all about, was safety of the downstream public. What the issue was in a nutshell was what's called internal erosion, which is the number two cause of dam failure in the world, and a muddy seep was discovered at the base of the dam in October of 2014, and also a sinkhole was discovered in the parking lot adjacent to that. And the experts quickly realized that the lake on the opposite side, which was really the majority of people I dealt with very well-to-do lake homeowners, who naturally were rather upset when their lake had to be drawn down approximately an additional 10 feet below the winter pool level.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LOmHzXRt7Xsum2-qvPLRkMYFsNztdwMXHGuyC9EU1i6L-X1eniHikdJ3wwLjL7Ev5OaITfLF9NQ3V34ZXSeSt2oyVwc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.31'>03:00</a>):</p>
<p>So it became a rather low lake then for the duration of the project, but we always had the support of top management. The CEO came in and said, this project's going to be done, it's going to be done safely and right, it's going to take five to seven years. Of course, the people were very upset to hear it would take that long of a timeline, but there was a tremendous amount of community outreach as you can imagine. That's really what this book is about and it really does appeal directly to your audience folks like us. I was brought in as a contractor on the project, so I full-time had the experience in the community and in broadcasting and in pr, all those kinds of things that helped with the outreach. And I would say if I was to sum it up in just two words, it was relationship building.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ojqfbY7tFI3RcQURP1CZCjzMW9iZdtYEHI7XmvXKbc2EQmG5MloNCGvUYZJCrN1AOTBOpMA4ybc5EqwQ39dpf9DBXiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.52'>03:45</a>):</p>
<p>As I mentioned in the book, you start out with people, the presidents of the local lake associations with their arms crossed in front of you, just nod at all thrilled that you're there to actually help them clean up the lake on their annual cleanup lake and bringing crews and really showing them that we're here to support showing them that we're here to support. In terms of charity outreach, that was huge. We had a committee of workers on the project. There were about 200 workers on the project, 24 hours a day for several years actually, and they voted to support both the local food bank and also Marine Corps choice for Tots. So every holiday season we were there and we were the largest givers in the whole region While we were there, we knew it was very uncomfortable for the people. We were causing them major discomfort in that the lake had gone down significantly.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XtdrWGvJRLx4hbCGLKGOrFqAIHk-SbJKSjJT4fM7sYknwBIL3eDaH1bEskFfX1rLlc11bsVVAXYGq1JLIDUrlVFQHME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.26'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>But the flip side of that was we wanted to do all we could in the community and in terms of community outreach to help folks while we were here. So it was a fascinating story and the international aspect, to answer your question, Karen and Michelle, it's not every day that you're in northeast Tennessee and you're hearing accents from Britain and France and Italy and Australia. It was just so fun to, and we all came around together at the conference room table every single morning. All the leaders were together and making the plans for the day. So</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B6AF2L_CsMLyBi7TmlFfSrVbmbCRX9vCwy9ky1-724owDoellfw0W_yVEadb-9DrmV-NMezd0omFYO--XKF-EYeSkLc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.96'>05:13</a>):</p>
<p>There was a phrase early on, and you used this in the book that jumped out at me and it's “angry neighbors” and this, when you interrupt people's idea of comfort, there's anger. But when I read it, I realized that this is not limited to infrastructure projects today. We really are surrounded by angry neighbors. There's such anger and a lack of patience in our culture. So talk about how you dealt with that and what lessons you drew upon to deal with a constituency that you needed and you wanted them to become advocates and somebody that you actually needed to communicate with that you started out from a platform of them being just angry</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BR-_E73NpZM2aH_OdR3IcGtQThQ7cm4wi59V4WeOIGbTutToxFvCfii7VT8tbIfUZOVM2JzRd3KpM2hqViNm85Fp61M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.25'>06:04</a>):</p>
<p>And understandably so justifiably so if you had paid the kind of money they had to have, the lovely homes they have up there, I certainly get how they felt that they didn't want their lake to go down. They still had some water and they still had, we made sure they had access to the water, but it was quite different from the way they were used to. And I think it was twofold. One was the relationship building that I mentioned by showing up month after month in the Lake Association meetings, they started to realize I was for real. I wasn't just flying in and flying out and I lived here to add to that. So I was really here to help them and listen to them. And through that listening, that active listening, that really amounted to environmental scanning. And that's where I picked up on the issue of vegetation management.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PoAoqJPzQ4YlaUDNAI5WzEwoUmYfMvacVFJFhIrj-RjANUhDv2zBfpoD2urk2y6Wt7DMEpySR1Ka_MHc2uTu5Vf69fQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.38'>06:49</a>):</p>
<p>As a lake comes down, vegetation comes up if you think about it. And so that was the next thing that they were very concerned about and we were able to address that head on. We enabled crews, we brought crews into mulch and helped to eliminate where the neighbors wanted. It eliminated, as I mentioned in the book, there was actually one fishermen who didn't want his yard cut. He wanted it safe for future fish habitat. So we did what they wanted and what they asked. That was one. The second thing that I think is really important is to engage the people who start out so adversarial. And the one example that I used, I call 'em the three amigos in the book, and the fun thing is that they actually came around in the end and we were very helpful to one another, but in the beginning they started out adversarial and what we did was give them a job, so to speak, and by that I mean a volunteer role in that very vegetation management role that I just mentioned.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uncz3stHZCDxicETvKy7IjzNqewE7J1YF06Umg02Iw3uxPRU6TvXaFIu3KnCaPZech5nYWMky00WKr-yLT_ZU_Cvgws?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=468.32'>07:48</a>):</p>
<p>They were the ones that knew the neighbors, they lived there. So they went out ahead of our crews and talked to the neighbors and helped us with the knocking on doors and said, “Hey, these crews are going to be coming through on boats in the coves. Is that okay?” They'll be coming through on Monday or whatever. And that helped tremendously. It might sound funny to say give 'em a job, but it really worked. And another tip for a PR pro would be frequently asked questions. So often you start to hear the same thing over and over or in a case like that, because they were noisy, the amigos might've thought that they would have special insights into the project. What you do instead in our project manager was really clear on this and it was a great point. You don't give them special insights. You take their questions and you put them out on the website as FAQs and then everybody gets those answers at once. No one gets special treatment.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OZcFalmUMTGAChW_Jd8VBFIVx9SXkARNGTQIvDu2CUta0uOE7WzeDf7qeumpkQQjDJmpOdOayYTyPDEDz0Lzmd_wYgM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.56'>08:39</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/69pjhstENdaV-ztpCNKCcXFWU9qcnhEyn3zTK8tWEaXZ9k3ApEAxg3GpJsqaB1q1gUuNOrziWl-fFF2NRIhvZWGLB3k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.25'>08:40</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And it's so true. Those that are most invested usually are the squeakiest wheels. So why not have them join the team and become invested in the outcomes? That's phenomenal.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xqfC6CTyNmsw9cHdBXvPQD16chvEehRdbq2gcq5Cr4qKdQAX95wiFaI9zZq8myb14u-bNvxeD-kEnwRB3qAP0IH9QBc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.5'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Well, thank you. It worked out terrific. We actually started having meetings with him every two weeks and it was funny to watch a turnaround like that and it was definitely, I always said this project was turning around an aircraft carrier. You weren't turning on a dime. This was a seven year project, so it took a while, but it worked.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nbiQukI7KV3cK-QSTfkOelZ_A4jCRoX9Xn9d_Se7ag4lwyT1kEq7TQcc9KUYbpb9lja5xA6PrZTW1CiJd6ydmrKLWvY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=553.77'>09:13</a>):</p>
<p>Wow. Certainly a huge aspect of the relationship building for sure. How has this differed from other projects you have worked on?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1s-sKNZUrVe_5i8bShO2BFkxxfuBJsp7rl8eC4DJL9uJ--4824DckUCiXdEr42BJSiZhdJK-tr6BlC-il75xM0SkBis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=562.74'>09:22</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think the size and scope was what was just so huge. And you asked why I wrote the book. I guess that that's another aspect that I realized just how big it was. And also I realized that infrastructure is a major issue in this country. As I was starting to write the book, that bus, many of you remember, it actually was dangling off a bridge in Pittsburgh. You're from Pennsylvania, Michelle, you remember that? I do. And it was like, oh my gosh, this timing of the situation of our infrastructure in our country. Thankfully no one was killed there, but it showed you that we are going to have other major, major projects in this country that are going to need the same kind of outreach. And that's why I wrote the book as well,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B_QLI3qAMnbwTbXAUF3OGe2N4epszmmADQtvA2to89CrGOWx4GR071wzlPLd-uC8Um4MxYZlJfK5NnBGWm6rhm_q-Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.87'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>Which is a great point. And you're right, that is a significant issue that I think many of us are aware of, myself included. I think about that, I talk about that, but I never thought about the opportunity for PR pros. And so it's good that you brought up that point that our help will be needed and that there will be lots of these projects in the future. So as we're all looking to future-proof our careers and we're thinking about how we're integrating AI and some of the technological advances, that's a good point. And you brought that up in the book about environmental scanning and be aware of what's around you and start to look at those things and proactively address them in a way of offering your help. That's a great tip.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gPBD0wY3_SW1YwcKrMSX31O01-17jSiNDH-F8RvgZ1RYQRDn9N0o7sttToKneJpb7L2mscj5TF7WFApda-c5P-BqOlQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=654'>10:54</a>):</p>
<p>And it's funny that you say that because when I first heard about the project, another APR who became my boss, I just think the world of her, she's the one that encouraged me to get the APR actually, she put out a notice to our local public relations society that she was looking for a person that basically it was an exact fit of my job description, could work with the community, be comfortable on camera, whatever, all that kind of stuff, and be a PR pro. And so I had two college students with me that day. I told you I'd like to surround myself with sharp young people. And we were coming back from the meeting and I said, man, what a great opportunity. And I think that's the way we see it, but so many people see it the opposite. And so I tell in the book about how I am sitting at the dentist and my mouth is open and he is like, “You're going to do what?!” - that other professional people that I think have very stressful jobs are thinking that I'm nuts to take on a job like this with community outreach with a bunch of already angry neighbors.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NmhfJua5CuSKOfVSeaqbnDi0Vn82S32eohewO3wTGJ-9ExgjyBAYjuC0utsRbxzPLTJ272FJNXGoUgrDnrv0XIFe-Aw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.32'>11:50</a>):</p>
<p>But I thought it was a fun challenge, as you mentioned. And I think that's the way solo PRs fly. We take on the challenges and we're ready to do it. And the other thing that was really big in the book to me was to realize it's a long game. You really have to have resilience and you have to be willing to just keep chugging along and plugging along. And I actually had this vision towards the end of the project after so many years of seeing massive drills on top of the dam and huge construction equipment up there to, I put this picture from July of 2014 as my screensaver, and it was kids frolicking at the beach because there's an actual beach area there at the base of the dam where the public loves to swim, but it had to be closed throughout the project.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NzOUziuMnkyVhB7fH896QRNlJKQ2AZn148qyB8LqAJHO1fkfULhwdP6y3H_Tqmy13Nh1qlaB_XXCWDKmUBxdMt2H54E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.82'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>And I just kept looking at that picture from, let's see, I posted it in the fall of 21 and the project officially, we had our celebration in ribbon cutting, May 25th, 2022. So I was staring at it for that long and I just kept seeing that as the long game, we are going to get to this again. And I share in the book on that final day, first we had the ribbon cutting with all the stakeholders and it was great, beautiful day in May. And then we had the public come in and we had our subject matter experts all available to talk to the public. And that was really fun. And the partners in the community, including the three Amigos, the local fishing groups, various groups like that, and I was sitting on, I was waiting for my family. They were coming in because they wanted to see it of course. And this family comes up to me and they said, is it okay? They were very timid, can we go swimming? And I said, sure, absolutely. And it was like there they, they jumped in the water and I snapped pictures and I was like, there it is. That's the vision. So I think we have to cast a vision as solo PR pros that there's something good to come in the long run, even though there may be challenges and hills along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ivJatymj95atr1nRajvVop7f28CY4sd1mMPX0WwSyIi1FuHn1c3LAn-YQceU20u2GGqA8FKn7KPKlrL_1meo63Y3zRc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=829.09'>13:49</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm glad that you said that because I was going to ask with a seven year project, and that's different from a lot of our assignments. While we may have clients that long, there are a series of projects along the way. It's not one long assignment. So I know that along the way there was probably moments where it seemed like there was not a lot of activity sometimes where it was more challenging. How did you keep yourself fueled and refreshed during this very long project?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mQBxpuhaG-LGwKB4w4MKq_F3vjxLcV-724vqkM7ikWHg7pgOWFF-Z_hGGzyLcINhQF16lt9mIB2BftRCTBt53xqnAag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=862.31'>14:22</a>):</p>
<p>Very long project? That is a great question because it was hard, and I really appreciate the things you do when you talk about the challenges we have with the difficulties of what we do. We're dealing with crises a lot. But I did things like honestly taking my lunch break at the picnic table and being outside and going for a little walk at lunchtime, that sounds really simple, but I think you just have to give yourself that little mental break in the day. That was a big one. I made sure that I was up, see, I was actually physically removed from the main project group. I would go up there every morning and meet with the main project group, but I was in an area where the public could get to me and I could get to the public. And I had two armed guards with me because speaking of stress, someone had threatened to blow up the dam just before I arrived, but this is what we deal with.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fKsUhySQRBin0ccbRPygHgcCrHDXgByGIwKk9XAFkhVqR5kN8LOKwhKAAQhxXry2TN_hgwtKzUo1vYE1I12_9Guge5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.36'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>So we had to have armed guards protect the site itself. And then indirectly me, because I was in the same trailer with them, it was a very large trailer that we had maps and cartoon type drawings of the project itself. We had a model dam that was very useful in teaching the public and in teaching school groups as well that we showcased there. And then as I mentioned, so much community outreach. There was an eagle's nest that we supported and it was like a live eagle. People love those things. They turn their computer on and they watch 'em for hours. And so we supported that with the local power company at the time. And we got, I remember having a picture of the eagle out there. He had, or she, well, both they're paired, had nested on private property right along the lake. So that was a fun thing to do. But in terms of those kind of mental breaks that you take like a walk or making sure you're around a lot of people when you get the opportunity to, I didn't even usually take regular lunch breaks, but occasionally I would with a couple of friends. And that was a big treat for me just to get out and talk to people about something different.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l98JPYiuQ0fh3weUnD5wa128sU-aWz2EG9fSjT5lfUPJE66jfCpv80mVisZlouVRtTZjqf0Ruh1N4yHCXIgNPVi_Dk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=984.08'>16:24</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's a really good point.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5hy1ouXwdLoaGqJ-2NIeLaCJFMa5EV5zNpey7Z4ykEzRWgVaDuQURKlaCUHZbRhUyjLfvQdFxLXE_hakGsbPo-udfXU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=985'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>It's so simple things that we take for granted that we do need and we have to build those in. And I know for many PR pros like you, I normally don't take lunch, but the days that I get out of the office and go meet somebody for lunch, it is, it's different and it refreshes you and you feel so energized after that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UIIY1iky3cWoT7Q9Tu4mIJI6yt0i7MM_Ph_9JFL7Oiex1yduJEZc1QcbYJZgIYKeHLj3weUn-_8nOpGEgAYEjuz47Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1007.3'>16:47</a>):</p>
<p>So true. Especially in such a long slog like that, it's important to remember that part of what we do is to keep ourselves replenished. It's not irresponsible to step away for 15, even 15 minutes or oh, goodness,  an hour.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6lxFEJsc64uOBIQ-GftjaksZzL6HJXjfQe4Gu0NMQka-Ubj1RYA85iLUACg--ZuEyiD62hGPa9GS2iyCEpD9LZ8Sjqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1023.26'>17:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right? That's a big treat for us. But sometimes you need it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1-OXx0dju6zAwJrLCEcf3FWohVjjWRMX5ZQ8kJ39mHqC4rWfF3GG3qmsVG1EgsJg8AuU-tGlV-5dfdzotkpEqV36h8o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1027.25'>17:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, definitely</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vuNbRSeB2tA97-laXp8nz6dcEg_B2qQdc34rG4CchBZyYpW3l8FTMTz_zRxfmzr_eFlOCviwpUeTw4dfI4E7Lx0Q5Lg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1029.92'>17:09</a>):</p>
<p>You talked a little bit about planning and for those of us who have gone through the accreditation process, we are well familiar with RPI, but you talked about 10 step plan, share with us how that plan worked for you, because I sometimes feel like everybody doesn't get it like a plan. You've got to have a plan, and we may be speaking with people that are outside of the PR profession that listen. So talk about that a little bit and talk about the process you used.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FP_Yodwi9TMNweP3bN_lxcKLeOFVC_L1r7wJo4TCbXHwDWOBdLliHMVf6BVbLS-_61ZTEocICe0twlTJiCx_mD4qtDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1065.47'>17:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, well, I'm really glad you mentioned that. The planning. Planning. There's a quote that I used from General Eisenhower in the book, and of course I'm not finding it this very second because I'm looking for it, but it's basically that once you get into battle, basically for him you have to have the plan, but then it's kind of like the plan may go by the wayside, but you had that initial plan. I'm paraphrasing him greatly here, but it's so important. And he's exactly right. So you have that initial plan. I had an overarching communications plan that I would update annually and give to the project manager and then kind of subsets of that as various projects within that communications plan would come up throughout the year. I use Fern bon's 10 step PR plan. There's actually a link to that URL in the book because I use that plan all the time, Karen.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_dNIlYBYM3-VEp0DJvp0dha3ATag5wyZ3fmOVWnE0jSC-JU4QScHqBYlTY2hAsQ6aHA53sEoj1rc7mtpubBn9iZ-j30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1117.98'>18:37</a>):</p>
<p>And we learned about that in our APR process. But it's just some basic steps to follow and how you start with your strategies and objectives, what your first goals are, and then you drill down more into your tactical work of how you're going to execute that PR plan. So yes, that's important. And then the other thing, this is really simple, it's just a basic spreadsheet, but every week or then I think it went to every other week when I would meet with the managers, and that's another really important thing, be sure you get a seat at the table with the top management. That's very important for the PR pro. But when I would meet with them, I would give them that updated spreadsheet on what's going on in the community to date, what we've just finished this week or last week and what we have coming up. So that was a really good way to keep track and it's so basic, just a little Excel spreadsheet and where you are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cOtgRgfExaaeWoyAXXtLMbh-HqO05cgSFeDPUKzuJ4RwRntZ5Tu82NZhTfIBtqXMpI7PP6N6wTq0sa4-sSOIIj903qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1169.62'>19:29</a>):</p>
<p>So true. I love it. So true. And I love, we do have to, I always say that you hold everything with an open hand, so you plan, but you realize, and you talked about this, you talked about the project leaders that you started with were not the project leaders that you finished with. And it's a good point because we see that a lot with just in our day-to-day client engagements where leadership changes or there's staffing changes. And so you may start out with a CEO, but that CEO may not go the journey with you. So how did you manage those transitions on top of this massive project? Talk a little bit about the strategies that you used to keep things moving and to keep the momentum and then having to develop new relationships along the way because things were changing and your team sometimes changed.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p5GFmv9jmVeBcT08GUnmyfdYR4TMrWPh3JwmgK2RUVPO7vm9B_QaiUzeRKRqn-510phnCK1rY80FaO2nY9uB-s9D6zM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1220.34'>20:20</a>):</p>
<p>Well, the team was fantastic, and the reason they changed was they were so good. They got promoted into other positions. They were really on a showcase project. And so when they did so well there, they got promoted up, most of them. Well, the project manager lasted through most of it, and then he got promoted onto a much bigger project towards maybe the last year or six months. So he and I worked very closely together. And then I just adapted the new project manager who came in. She was awesome. She was kind of his handpick. She did not like to go out into public events as much as he did. He was really great with the public speaking events. She liked to be a little bit more behind the scenes. But then we accommodated that with actually a project moves in phases. I cover that in the book as well. And so the project technical director actually ended up really stepping up at that point. And actually his group was called the Asset Owner at that point because they were under the DAM safety heading. And he was terrific at going out and doing those public things. So they filled in the gap. Well, and I guess I was just so fortunate to work with such fantastic professionals that it was a pretty smooth transition when it came to working with different leadership. They made it easy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/24NtRXozcJuZf8bvzk_k0cz2UTWM4sqgkPOfeMLUoLa4m0EU2Yu8PQuEqVsJm18IF7EsM9Jf1qMMtEmjWeuxQvToPgI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1295.86'>21:35</a>):</p>
<p>That's so important as well. And even what you touched on is having that seat at the table. I don't know that our equal professionals out there that we often work with realize how important that is. I always say I don't have to know everything, but I have to know everything.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/og-X9vXmfIFrSn9R1go317qxl9IJFPvelsX0chL3wBDPRmU-a-R2VfUbO93WoQFiJlZKRzu0uFvaFKPvHWPxiEqL0uw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1315.66'>21:55</a>):</p>
<p>That is well said. And the vegetation management I mentioned is a great example. And I've recently started some public speaking at Rotary Clubs. Michelle and a couple of engineers trailed me out of one because they wanted to buy my book. It was really sweet. And I'd already ran out of books. That was really fun. I'd sold three and I had two more in the car. So they followed me out and they said, you know what? We would've been thinking about the caisson, but you saw the vegetation management. And I said, well, that's where I operate at 30,000 feet. But all three of us do here. And our listeners as well, we're paid to operate at 30,000 feet. They're paid to worry about the caisson because that's really important.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PkOYpnyJId5LwYm9_liqOh8DXX5Fv0u5nBFdaGVqfTBsDrzPn0kuQOLv_3fEGbikUv_tK0x7aYjodrlxvTr6KqLkCZY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1357.27'>22:37</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, that was the solution. They built an underground cutoff wall that was kind of the showpiece of what they called the composite seepage barrier. So it was literally a barrier built within the earth and embankment that cut off pretty easy to explain, cut off the seepage. And then they also had some berms they built around it and they did some drilling and grouting as well. So it was kind of a three phased effort to repair the dam. And they did, and they did it safely. And that's the good news on time and under budget,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zAhIFeHo1B2uF6slpui8GQ3IA_TuSODt1DADVXTcXq2vr1ZbQI5rpTQWZ6NG3_OaV2m88KWFarVO5_fSjG1dBWK5Mwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1393.06'>23:13</a>):</p>
<p>That's music to everyone's ears, isn't it? Seriously able to achieve that. We could talk to you about any of these topics that you cover in the book for an entire hour, but as we near the end of our time, I want to personally make sure that people know where to get this great book because there, it's fun. It's a fun read and you write with such warmth and it's so relatable. I've never worked on infrastructure projects like this, but I completely relate it to the way that you laid out the story in the book. And it's a good read. And I do believe that this will become a bestseller. And I believe that there's probably more books in you, Mel Miller, so talk where they can pick up this book.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6paBF1DfHiBWZXQsjNEZy1BfK0_JU6XPj_lEBFTaeXHj_mUEzInk1BenN2DygJ24u7KVySmQcnNPowtuj-qEt4sxLJQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1439.51'>23:59</a>):</p>
<p>Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate your support, both of you. I appreciate you having me on this podcast. They can pick up the book on Amazon right now, just Google it, “Fill the Dam Thing Up.” The book will show up right away. And then I've just caught the book on audio, and Isaac, the sound engineer is sitting right here and he is editing away. So it will show up on Audible in the very near future. And then I ultimately plan to do an e-book as well. But you learn on this author journey, and one of the things I've learned is there's some different formatting you have to do for e-book. So I'll come back with that, but I plan to have it on all three channels available to people that like to read in different formats.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EHpVv1PJZ3K4Kltsl99_oSD_V_lYi-7Xple5W1sPxHzN7QkI3yER37Zug5VyZQiUm4cDjYlqDFBEFGC4NT5izTmDz58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1477.64'>24:37</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic, fantastic. So we thank you so much. And where else can we find you online? LinkedIn, I assume, or</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cHYLbUMPBshQSTNGi1NW9mjIGQnlxpFWjaZ7Xk-PbFIUAIr1wt8LECNHznHHkw_K3uVxaZKPxKRUfB6L0_Ia4VQff5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1485.56'>24:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yes. I love LinkedIn and I think that's the perfect social media platform for what I do because it's not just the PR pros, but it's also the project managers who work with the PR pros who are out on LinkedIn. So that's a great one. I'm Marketing Mel everywhere, “Marketing” and then M-e-l, so my nickname as was mentioned earlier. So just feel free to connect with me. Twitter, you name it, I'm out there. So look forward to connecting.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1iled-IgveVPjrW0NKgkdvHpWeLtcWklJ5ve0CHhaMIoVxugUezgO_0LZAGSinfVkAzQwqeaQF2OPyh4WzZmWI1YseA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1510.52'>25:10</a>):</p>
<p>We are so grateful that you took your time to spend with us today, and we hope everyone out there pre-orders the book and please do hook up with Mel on LinkedIn, make sure you follow her successes with this wonderful book that we can all learn so much from. That's what I love about this profession. We learn from each other and we thank you for listening today to our audience. If you enjoyed this episode, we invite you to share it around and I mean what's not to enjoy with this episode. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Karen and Michelle welcome Mary Ellen “Mel” Miller, APR, MBA. Mel is the founder and CEO of MarketingMel, a solo PR firm that strengthens relationships between organizations and the publics they serve. Mel draws on the breadth of her lifelong career as a professional communicator in her new book, “Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects.” It’s a discussion you won’t want to miss.</p>
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<p>Buy the Book:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.amazon.com/Fill-Dam-Thing-Communicating-Infrastructure/dp/B0CCCJ6FRG/ref=sr_1_1?crid=22AF2SZX65IL0&amp;keywords=fill+the+dam+thing+up&amp;qid=1694725828&amp;sprefix=fill+the+dam+thinkg+up%2Caps%2C265&amp;sr=8-1'>“Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects” is available on Amazon.</a></p>
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<p>Connect with Mel:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketingmel/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/marketingmel/</a></p>
<p><a href='https://twitter.com/MarketingMel'>@MarketingMel</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9x1fIhxrPCcDeyyGqxLYT7b_gsNifwvlzHt4n_5cf4ErA3mLgygL9ZiFL_QFRXG3chCCbo6cs6g5NRd1TklBo1Eb2Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.51'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and our fearless leader over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim, and we are thrilled to welcome a guest today. Today we are joined by Mary Ellen, or as she likes to be called, Mel, Miller. Mel holds a special place in our hearts because she is an original Solo PR plankholder. Mel is an accredited public relations professional and the founder and CEO of Marketing Mel, a solo PR firm that strengthens relationships between organizations and the publics they serve. She and I are also fellow Rotarians, so shout out to the Rotarians out there. Mel draws on the breadth of her lifelong career as a professional communicator in her new book, soon to be a bestseller we called it now. That is called “Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects.” Welcome, Mel. Thank you for joining us today.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dAyfQG_ScHHXxEC2ZVmI4qlgTRiKnGpyJGXyvsOmMiOfiOKk9wKpKsd7lH3FUhBcGNKZPobC2FkK0Lg1-WzLbp9DDzs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=72.27'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hmgXUJt2k4tZRs6NjD6Xyse8YgUCqXtW06T17mm_ca5FXH0BEt95slvbTpXus0uz1ydUOfGAxu0IGn0Q2bIq_k82Uek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=75.96'>01:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we're so excited to talk to you and love the title of the book and I won't spoil it, but readers you are going to love it from the introduction and you'll love the little story behind the book title and just in reading the note about how the title came about, it just was such a feeling of comradery and just good. And the book is packed, packed with lots of good insights and information. So good you're here to talk about it.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a6o81Dg2Rr4YdCPtns6gSlK9-sib0Glr5QoVmLmo5kzyym9QAeJoVgew9B4jBJb0fiOZyi5y961F0ItZZooW58tczqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=112.68'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. Thank you. Karen,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b0f4KnafBm1tfm-DdmYxowplD7VGWwK5CSuAi6KvcU7K9ZLCZdsiEijSiccvSh5ofnE9WCf9yiDIo09HwgBuPFfOvhY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=115.71'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>What brought about you to write this book?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jXwq2iI8wqLhkOdC5U3njBFPWstpzibFDn4UhalxsDWacrvbYJf-9lUiiACe5KJdb7qAQQgT0xVAvTHelroi6Brha0k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=119.22'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I realized that it was a really unique project in that it was just a 25 minute drive from my home here in northeast Tennessee, but yet it evolved experts from across the world coming in here to keep a dam safe and to keep people downstream safe because ultimately that's what this project was all about, was safety of the downstream public. What the issue was in a nutshell was what's called internal erosion, which is the number two cause of dam failure in the world, and a muddy seep was discovered at the base of the dam in October of 2014, and also a sinkhole was discovered in the parking lot adjacent to that. And the experts quickly realized that the lake on the opposite side, which was really the majority of people I dealt with very well-to-do lake homeowners, who naturally were rather upset when their lake had to be drawn down approximately an additional 10 feet below the winter pool level.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LOmHzXRt7Xsum2-qvPLRkMYFsNztdwMXHGuyC9EU1i6L-X1eniHikdJ3wwLjL7Ev5OaITfLF9NQ3V34ZXSeSt2oyVwc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=180.31'>03:00</a>):</p>
<p>So it became a rather low lake then for the duration of the project, but we always had the support of top management. The CEO came in and said, this project's going to be done, it's going to be done safely and right, it's going to take five to seven years. Of course, the people were very upset to hear it would take that long of a timeline, but there was a tremendous amount of community outreach as you can imagine. That's really what this book is about and it really does appeal directly to your audience folks like us. I was brought in as a contractor on the project, so I full-time had the experience in the community and in broadcasting and in pr, all those kinds of things that helped with the outreach. And I would say if I was to sum it up in just two words, it was relationship building.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ojqfbY7tFI3RcQURP1CZCjzMW9iZdtYEHI7XmvXKbc2EQmG5MloNCGvUYZJCrN1AOTBOpMA4ybc5EqwQ39dpf9DBXiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=225.52'>03:45</a>):</p>
<p>As I mentioned in the book, you start out with people, the presidents of the local lake associations with their arms crossed in front of you, just nod at all thrilled that you're there to actually help them clean up the lake on their annual cleanup lake and bringing crews and really showing them that we're here to support showing them that we're here to support. In terms of charity outreach, that was huge. We had a committee of workers on the project. There were about 200 workers on the project, 24 hours a day for several years actually, and they voted to support both the local food bank and also Marine Corps choice for Tots. So every holiday season we were there and we were the largest givers in the whole region While we were there, we knew it was very uncomfortable for the people. We were causing them major discomfort in that the lake had gone down significantly.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XtdrWGvJRLx4hbCGLKGOrFqAIHk-SbJKSjJT4fM7sYknwBIL3eDaH1bEskFfX1rLlc11bsVVAXYGq1JLIDUrlVFQHME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.26'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>But the flip side of that was we wanted to do all we could in the community and in terms of community outreach to help folks while we were here. So it was a fascinating story and the international aspect, to answer your question, Karen and Michelle, it's not every day that you're in northeast Tennessee and you're hearing accents from Britain and France and Italy and Australia. It was just so fun to, and we all came around together at the conference room table every single morning. All the leaders were together and making the plans for the day. So</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B6AF2L_CsMLyBi7TmlFfSrVbmbCRX9vCwy9ky1-724owDoellfw0W_yVEadb-9DrmV-NMezd0omFYO--XKF-EYeSkLc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=313.96'>05:13</a>):</p>
<p>There was a phrase early on, and you used this in the book that jumped out at me and it's “angry neighbors” and this, when you interrupt people's idea of comfort, there's anger. But when I read it, I realized that this is not limited to infrastructure projects today. We really are surrounded by angry neighbors. There's such anger and a lack of patience in our culture. So talk about how you dealt with that and what lessons you drew upon to deal with a constituency that you needed and you wanted them to become advocates and somebody that you actually needed to communicate with that you started out from a platform of them being just angry</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BR-_E73NpZM2aH_OdR3IcGtQThQ7cm4wi59V4WeOIGbTutToxFvCfii7VT8tbIfUZOVM2JzRd3KpM2hqViNm85Fp61M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=364.25'>06:04</a>):</p>
<p>And understandably so justifiably so if you had paid the kind of money they had to have, the lovely homes they have up there, I certainly get how they felt that they didn't want their lake to go down. They still had some water and they still had, we made sure they had access to the water, but it was quite different from the way they were used to. And I think it was twofold. One was the relationship building that I mentioned by showing up month after month in the Lake Association meetings, they started to realize I was for real. I wasn't just flying in and flying out and I lived here to add to that. So I was really here to help them and listen to them. And through that listening, that active listening, that really amounted to environmental scanning. And that's where I picked up on the issue of vegetation management.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PoAoqJPzQ4YlaUDNAI5WzEwoUmYfMvacVFJFhIrj-RjANUhDv2zBfpoD2urk2y6Wt7DMEpySR1Ka_MHc2uTu5Vf69fQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=409.38'>06:49</a>):</p>
<p>As a lake comes down, vegetation comes up if you think about it. And so that was the next thing that they were very concerned about and we were able to address that head on. We enabled crews, we brought crews into mulch and helped to eliminate where the neighbors wanted. It eliminated, as I mentioned in the book, there was actually one fishermen who didn't want his yard cut. He wanted it safe for future fish habitat. So we did what they wanted and what they asked. That was one. The second thing that I think is really important is to engage the people who start out so adversarial. And the one example that I used, I call 'em the three amigos in the book, and the fun thing is that they actually came around in the end and we were very helpful to one another, but in the beginning they started out adversarial and what we did was give them a job, so to speak, and by that I mean a volunteer role in that very vegetation management role that I just mentioned.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uncz3stHZCDxicETvKy7IjzNqewE7J1YF06Umg02Iw3uxPRU6TvXaFIu3KnCaPZech5nYWMky00WKr-yLT_ZU_Cvgws?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=468.32'>07:48</a>):</p>
<p>They were the ones that knew the neighbors, they lived there. So they went out ahead of our crews and talked to the neighbors and helped us with the knocking on doors and said, “Hey, these crews are going to be coming through on boats in the coves. Is that okay?” They'll be coming through on Monday or whatever. And that helped tremendously. It might sound funny to say give 'em a job, but it really worked. And another tip for a PR pro would be frequently asked questions. So often you start to hear the same thing over and over or in a case like that, because they were noisy, the amigos might've thought that they would have special insights into the project. What you do instead in our project manager was really clear on this and it was a great point. You don't give them special insights. You take their questions and you put them out on the website as FAQs and then everybody gets those answers at once. No one gets special treatment.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OZcFalmUMTGAChW_Jd8VBFIVx9SXkARNGTQIvDu2CUta0uOE7WzeDf7qeumpkQQjDJmpOdOayYTyPDEDz0Lzmd_wYgM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.56'>08:39</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/69pjhstENdaV-ztpCNKCcXFWU9qcnhEyn3zTK8tWEaXZ9k3ApEAxg3GpJsqaB1q1gUuNOrziWl-fFF2NRIhvZWGLB3k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.25'>08:40</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And it's so true. Those that are most invested usually are the squeakiest wheels. So why not have them join the team and become invested in the outcomes? That's phenomenal.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xqfC6CTyNmsw9cHdBXvPQD16chvEehRdbq2gcq5Cr4qKdQAX95wiFaI9zZq8myb14u-bNvxeD-kEnwRB3qAP0IH9QBc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.5'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Well, thank you. It worked out terrific. We actually started having meetings with him every two weeks and it was funny to watch a turnaround like that and it was definitely, I always said this project was turning around an aircraft carrier. You weren't turning on a dime. This was a seven year project, so it took a while, but it worked.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nbiQukI7KV3cK-QSTfkOelZ_A4jCRoX9Xn9d_Se7ag4lwyT1kEq7TQcc9KUYbpb9lja5xA6PrZTW1CiJd6ydmrKLWvY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=553.77'>09:13</a>):</p>
<p>Wow. Certainly a huge aspect of the relationship building for sure. How has this differed from other projects you have worked on?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1s-sKNZUrVe_5i8bShO2BFkxxfuBJsp7rl8eC4DJL9uJ--4824DckUCiXdEr42BJSiZhdJK-tr6BlC-il75xM0SkBis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=562.74'>09:22</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think the size and scope was what was just so huge. And you asked why I wrote the book. I guess that that's another aspect that I realized just how big it was. And also I realized that infrastructure is a major issue in this country. As I was starting to write the book, that bus, many of you remember, it actually was dangling off a bridge in Pittsburgh. You're from Pennsylvania, Michelle, you remember that? I do. And it was like, oh my gosh, this timing of the situation of our infrastructure in our country. Thankfully no one was killed there, but it showed you that we are going to have other major, major projects in this country that are going to need the same kind of outreach. And that's why I wrote the book as well,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B_QLI3qAMnbwTbXAUF3OGe2N4epszmmADQtvA2to89CrGOWx4GR071wzlPLd-uC8Um4MxYZlJfK5NnBGWm6rhm_q-Vo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.87'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>Which is a great point. And you're right, that is a significant issue that I think many of us are aware of, myself included. I think about that, I talk about that, but I never thought about the opportunity for PR pros. And so it's good that you brought up that point that our help will be needed and that there will be lots of these projects in the future. So as we're all looking to future-proof our careers and we're thinking about how we're integrating AI and some of the technological advances, that's a good point. And you brought that up in the book about environmental scanning and be aware of what's around you and start to look at those things and proactively address them in a way of offering your help. That's a great tip.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gPBD0wY3_SW1YwcKrMSX31O01-17jSiNDH-F8RvgZ1RYQRDn9N0o7sttToKneJpb7L2mscj5TF7WFApda-c5P-BqOlQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=654'>10:54</a>):</p>
<p>And it's funny that you say that because when I first heard about the project, another APR who became my boss, I just think the world of her, she's the one that encouraged me to get the APR actually, she put out a notice to our local public relations society that she was looking for a person that basically it was an exact fit of my job description, could work with the community, be comfortable on camera, whatever, all that kind of stuff, and be a PR pro. And so I had two college students with me that day. I told you I'd like to surround myself with sharp young people. And we were coming back from the meeting and I said, man, what a great opportunity. And I think that's the way we see it, but so many people see it the opposite. And so I tell in the book about how I am sitting at the dentist and my mouth is open and he is like, “You're going to do what?!” - that other professional people that I think have very stressful jobs are thinking that I'm nuts to take on a job like this with community outreach with a bunch of already angry neighbors.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NmhfJua5CuSKOfVSeaqbnDi0Vn82S32eohewO3wTGJ-9ExgjyBAYjuC0utsRbxzPLTJ272FJNXGoUgrDnrv0XIFe-Aw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=710.32'>11:50</a>):</p>
<p>But I thought it was a fun challenge, as you mentioned. And I think that's the way solo PRs fly. We take on the challenges and we're ready to do it. And the other thing that was really big in the book to me was to realize it's a long game. You really have to have resilience and you have to be willing to just keep chugging along and plugging along. And I actually had this vision towards the end of the project after so many years of seeing massive drills on top of the dam and huge construction equipment up there to, I put this picture from July of 2014 as my screensaver, and it was kids frolicking at the beach because there's an actual beach area there at the base of the dam where the public loves to swim, but it had to be closed throughout the project.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NzOUziuMnkyVhB7fH896QRNlJKQ2AZn148qyB8LqAJHO1fkfULhwdP6y3H_Tqmy13Nh1qlaB_XXCWDKmUBxdMt2H54E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.82'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>And I just kept looking at that picture from, let's see, I posted it in the fall of 21 and the project officially, we had our celebration in ribbon cutting, May 25th, 2022. So I was staring at it for that long and I just kept seeing that as the long game, we are going to get to this again. And I share in the book on that final day, first we had the ribbon cutting with all the stakeholders and it was great, beautiful day in May. And then we had the public come in and we had our subject matter experts all available to talk to the public. And that was really fun. And the partners in the community, including the three Amigos, the local fishing groups, various groups like that, and I was sitting on, I was waiting for my family. They were coming in because they wanted to see it of course. And this family comes up to me and they said, is it okay? They were very timid, can we go swimming? And I said, sure, absolutely. And it was like there they, they jumped in the water and I snapped pictures and I was like, there it is. That's the vision. So I think we have to cast a vision as solo PR pros that there's something good to come in the long run, even though there may be challenges and hills along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ivJatymj95atr1nRajvVop7f28CY4sd1mMPX0WwSyIi1FuHn1c3LAn-YQceU20u2GGqA8FKn7KPKlrL_1meo63Y3zRc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=829.09'>13:49</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm glad that you said that because I was going to ask with a seven year project, and that's different from a lot of our assignments. While we may have clients that long, there are a series of projects along the way. It's not one long assignment. So I know that along the way there was probably moments where it seemed like there was not a lot of activity sometimes where it was more challenging. How did you keep yourself fueled and refreshed during this very long project?</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mQBxpuhaG-LGwKB4w4MKq_F3vjxLcV-724vqkM7ikWHg7pgOWFF-Z_hGGzyLcINhQF16lt9mIB2BftRCTBt53xqnAag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=862.31'>14:22</a>):</p>
<p>Very long project? That is a great question because it was hard, and I really appreciate the things you do when you talk about the challenges we have with the difficulties of what we do. We're dealing with crises a lot. But I did things like honestly taking my lunch break at the picnic table and being outside and going for a little walk at lunchtime, that sounds really simple, but I think you just have to give yourself that little mental break in the day. That was a big one. I made sure that I was up, see, I was actually physically removed from the main project group. I would go up there every morning and meet with the main project group, but I was in an area where the public could get to me and I could get to the public. And I had two armed guards with me because speaking of stress, someone had threatened to blow up the dam just before I arrived, but this is what we deal with.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fKsUhySQRBin0ccbRPygHgcCrHDXgByGIwKk9XAFkhVqR5kN8LOKwhKAAQhxXry2TN_hgwtKzUo1vYE1I12_9Guge5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.36'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>So we had to have armed guards protect the site itself. And then indirectly me, because I was in the same trailer with them, it was a very large trailer that we had maps and cartoon type drawings of the project itself. We had a model dam that was very useful in teaching the public and in teaching school groups as well that we showcased there. And then as I mentioned, so much community outreach. There was an eagle's nest that we supported and it was like a live eagle. People love those things. They turn their computer on and they watch 'em for hours. And so we supported that with the local power company at the time. And we got, I remember having a picture of the eagle out there. He had, or she, well, both they're paired, had nested on private property right along the lake. So that was a fun thing to do. But in terms of those kind of mental breaks that you take like a walk or making sure you're around a lot of people when you get the opportunity to, I didn't even usually take regular lunch breaks, but occasionally I would with a couple of friends. And that was a big treat for me just to get out and talk to people about something different.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l98JPYiuQ0fh3weUnD5wa128sU-aWz2EG9fSjT5lfUPJE66jfCpv80mVisZlouVRtTZjqf0Ruh1N4yHCXIgNPVi_Dk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=984.08'>16:24</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's a really good point.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5hy1ouXwdLoaGqJ-2NIeLaCJFMa5EV5zNpey7Z4ykEzRWgVaDuQURKlaCUHZbRhUyjLfvQdFxLXE_hakGsbPo-udfXU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=985'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>It's so simple things that we take for granted that we do need and we have to build those in. And I know for many PR pros like you, I normally don't take lunch, but the days that I get out of the office and go meet somebody for lunch, it is, it's different and it refreshes you and you feel so energized after that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UIIY1iky3cWoT7Q9Tu4mIJI6yt0i7MM_Ph_9JFL7Oiex1yduJEZc1QcbYJZgIYKeHLj3weUn-_8nOpGEgAYEjuz47Mw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1007.3'>16:47</a>):</p>
<p>So true. Especially in such a long slog like that, it's important to remember that part of what we do is to keep ourselves replenished. It's not irresponsible to step away for 15, even 15 minutes or oh, goodness,  an hour.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6lxFEJsc64uOBIQ-GftjaksZzL6HJXjfQe4Gu0NMQka-Ubj1RYA85iLUACg--ZuEyiD62hGPa9GS2iyCEpD9LZ8Sjqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1023.26'>17:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right? That's a big treat for us. But sometimes you need it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1-OXx0dju6zAwJrLCEcf3FWohVjjWRMX5ZQ8kJ39mHqC4rWfF3GG3qmsVG1EgsJg8AuU-tGlV-5dfdzotkpEqV36h8o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1027.25'>17:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, definitely</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vuNbRSeB2tA97-laXp8nz6dcEg_B2qQdc34rG4CchBZyYpW3l8FTMTz_zRxfmzr_eFlOCviwpUeTw4dfI4E7Lx0Q5Lg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1029.92'>17:09</a>):</p>
<p>You talked a little bit about planning and for those of us who have gone through the accreditation process, we are well familiar with RPI, but you talked about 10 step plan, share with us how that plan worked for you, because I sometimes feel like everybody doesn't get it like a plan. You've got to have a plan, and we may be speaking with people that are outside of the PR profession that listen. So talk about that a little bit and talk about the process you used.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FP_Yodwi9TMNweP3bN_lxcKLeOFVC_L1r7wJo4TCbXHwDWOBdLliHMVf6BVbLS-_61ZTEocICe0twlTJiCx_mD4qtDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1065.47'>17:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, well, I'm really glad you mentioned that. The planning. Planning. There's a quote that I used from General Eisenhower in the book, and of course I'm not finding it this very second because I'm looking for it, but it's basically that once you get into battle, basically for him you have to have the plan, but then it's kind of like the plan may go by the wayside, but you had that initial plan. I'm paraphrasing him greatly here, but it's so important. And he's exactly right. So you have that initial plan. I had an overarching communications plan that I would update annually and give to the project manager and then kind of subsets of that as various projects within that communications plan would come up throughout the year. I use Fern bon's 10 step PR plan. There's actually a link to that URL in the book because I use that plan all the time, Karen.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_dNIlYBYM3-VEp0DJvp0dha3ATag5wyZ3fmOVWnE0jSC-JU4QScHqBYlTY2hAsQ6aHA53sEoj1rc7mtpubBn9iZ-j30?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1117.98'>18:37</a>):</p>
<p>And we learned about that in our APR process. But it's just some basic steps to follow and how you start with your strategies and objectives, what your first goals are, and then you drill down more into your tactical work of how you're going to execute that PR plan. So yes, that's important. And then the other thing, this is really simple, it's just a basic spreadsheet, but every week or then I think it went to every other week when I would meet with the managers, and that's another really important thing, be sure you get a seat at the table with the top management. That's very important for the PR pro. But when I would meet with them, I would give them that updated spreadsheet on what's going on in the community to date, what we've just finished this week or last week and what we have coming up. So that was a really good way to keep track and it's so basic, just a little Excel spreadsheet and where you are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cOtgRgfExaaeWoyAXXtLMbh-HqO05cgSFeDPUKzuJ4RwRntZ5Tu82NZhTfIBtqXMpI7PP6N6wTq0sa4-sSOIIj903qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1169.62'>19:29</a>):</p>
<p>So true. I love it. So true. And I love, we do have to, I always say that you hold everything with an open hand, so you plan, but you realize, and you talked about this, you talked about the project leaders that you started with were not the project leaders that you finished with. And it's a good point because we see that a lot with just in our day-to-day client engagements where leadership changes or there's staffing changes. And so you may start out with a CEO, but that CEO may not go the journey with you. So how did you manage those transitions on top of this massive project? Talk a little bit about the strategies that you used to keep things moving and to keep the momentum and then having to develop new relationships along the way because things were changing and your team sometimes changed.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p5GFmv9jmVeBcT08GUnmyfdYR4TMrWPh3JwmgK2RUVPO7vm9B_QaiUzeRKRqn-510phnCK1rY80FaO2nY9uB-s9D6zM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1220.34'>20:20</a>):</p>
<p>Well, the team was fantastic, and the reason they changed was they were so good. They got promoted into other positions. They were really on a showcase project. And so when they did so well there, they got promoted up, most of them. Well, the project manager lasted through most of it, and then he got promoted onto a much bigger project towards maybe the last year or six months. So he and I worked very closely together. And then I just adapted the new project manager who came in. She was awesome. She was kind of his handpick. She did not like to go out into public events as much as he did. He was really great with the public speaking events. She liked to be a little bit more behind the scenes. But then we accommodated that with actually a project moves in phases. I cover that in the book as well. And so the project technical director actually ended up really stepping up at that point. And actually his group was called the Asset Owner at that point because they were under the DAM safety heading. And he was terrific at going out and doing those public things. So they filled in the gap. Well, and I guess I was just so fortunate to work with such fantastic professionals that it was a pretty smooth transition when it came to working with different leadership. They made it easy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/24NtRXozcJuZf8bvzk_k0cz2UTWM4sqgkPOfeMLUoLa4m0EU2Yu8PQuEqVsJm18IF7EsM9Jf1qMMtEmjWeuxQvToPgI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1295.86'>21:35</a>):</p>
<p>That's so important as well. And even what you touched on is having that seat at the table. I don't know that our equal professionals out there that we often work with realize how important that is. I always say I don't have to know everything, but I have to know everything.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/og-X9vXmfIFrSn9R1go317qxl9IJFPvelsX0chL3wBDPRmU-a-R2VfUbO93WoQFiJlZKRzu0uFvaFKPvHWPxiEqL0uw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1315.66'>21:55</a>):</p>
<p>That is well said. And the vegetation management I mentioned is a great example. And I've recently started some public speaking at Rotary Clubs. Michelle and a couple of engineers trailed me out of one because they wanted to buy my book. It was really sweet. And I'd already ran out of books. That was really fun. I'd sold three and I had two more in the car. So they followed me out and they said, you know what? We would've been thinking about the caisson, but you saw the vegetation management. And I said, well, that's where I operate at 30,000 feet. But all three of us do here. And our listeners as well, we're paid to operate at 30,000 feet. They're paid to worry about the caisson because that's really important.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PkOYpnyJId5LwYm9_liqOh8DXX5Fv0u5nBFdaGVqfTBsDrzPn0kuQOLv_3fEGbikUv_tK0x7aYjodrlxvTr6KqLkCZY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1357.27'>22:37</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, that was the solution. They built an underground cutoff wall that was kind of the showpiece of what they called the composite seepage barrier. So it was literally a barrier built within the earth and embankment that cut off pretty easy to explain, cut off the seepage. And then they also had some berms they built around it and they did some drilling and grouting as well. So it was kind of a three phased effort to repair the dam. And they did, and they did it safely. And that's the good news on time and under budget,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zAhIFeHo1B2uF6slpui8GQ3IA_TuSODt1DADVXTcXq2vr1ZbQI5rpTQWZ6NG3_OaV2m88KWFarVO5_fSjG1dBWK5Mwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1393.06'>23:13</a>):</p>
<p>That's music to everyone's ears, isn't it? Seriously able to achieve that. We could talk to you about any of these topics that you cover in the book for an entire hour, but as we near the end of our time, I want to personally make sure that people know where to get this great book because there, it's fun. It's a fun read and you write with such warmth and it's so relatable. I've never worked on infrastructure projects like this, but I completely relate it to the way that you laid out the story in the book. And it's a good read. And I do believe that this will become a bestseller. And I believe that there's probably more books in you, Mel Miller, so talk where they can pick up this book.</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6paBF1DfHiBWZXQsjNEZy1BfK0_JU6XPj_lEBFTaeXHj_mUEzInk1BenN2DygJ24u7KVySmQcnNPowtuj-qEt4sxLJQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1439.51'>23:59</a>):</p>
<p>Well, thank you so much. I really appreciate your support, both of you. I appreciate you having me on this podcast. They can pick up the book on Amazon right now, just Google it, “Fill the Dam Thing Up.” The book will show up right away. And then I've just caught the book on audio, and Isaac, the sound engineer is sitting right here and he is editing away. So it will show up on Audible in the very near future. And then I ultimately plan to do an e-book as well. But you learn on this author journey, and one of the things I've learned is there's some different formatting you have to do for e-book. So I'll come back with that, but I plan to have it on all three channels available to people that like to read in different formats.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EHpVv1PJZ3K4Kltsl99_oSD_V_lYi-7Xple5W1sPxHzN7QkI3yER37Zug5VyZQiUm4cDjYlqDFBEFGC4NT5izTmDz58?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1477.64'>24:37</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic, fantastic. So we thank you so much. And where else can we find you online? LinkedIn, I assume, or</p>
<p>Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cHYLbUMPBshQSTNGi1NW9mjIGQnlxpFWjaZ7Xk-PbFIUAIr1wt8LECNHznHHkw_K3uVxaZKPxKRUfB6L0_Ia4VQff5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1485.56'>24:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yes. I love LinkedIn and I think that's the perfect social media platform for what I do because it's not just the PR pros, but it's also the project managers who work with the PR pros who are out on LinkedIn. So that's a great one. I'm Marketing Mel everywhere, “Marketing” and then M-e-l, so my nickname as was mentioned earlier. So just feel free to connect with me. Twitter, you name it, I'm out there. So look forward to connecting.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1iled-IgveVPjrW0NKgkdvHpWeLtcWklJ5ve0CHhaMIoVxugUezgO_0LZAGSinfVkAzQwqeaQF2OPyh4WzZmWI1YseA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1510.52'>25:10</a>):</p>
<p>We are so grateful that you took your time to spend with us today, and we hope everyone out there pre-orders the book and please do hook up with Mel on LinkedIn, make sure you follow her successes with this wonderful book that we can all learn so much from. That's what I love about this profession. We learn from each other and we thank you for listening today to our audience. If you enjoyed this episode, we invite you to share it around and I mean what's not to enjoy with this episode. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters and our fearless leader over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim, and we are thrilled to welcome a guest today. Today we are joined by Mary Ellen, or as she likes to be called, Mel, Miller. Mel holds a special place in our hearts because she is an original Solo PR plankholder. Mel is an accredited public relations professional and the founder and CEO of Marketing Mel, a solo PR firm that strengthens relationships between organizations and the publics they serve. She and I are also fellow Rotarians, so shout out to the Rotarians out there. Mel draws on the breadth of her lifelong career as a professional communicator in her new book, soon to be a bestseller we called it now. That is called “Fill the Dam Thing Up! Building Connections: Communicating throughout the Lifecycle of Infrastructure Projects.” Welcome, Mel. Thank you for joining us today.
Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (01:12):
Thank you so much for having me. It's a pleasure to be here.
Karen Swim, APR (01:15):
Yeah, we're so excited to talk to you and love the title of the book and I won't spoil it, but readers you are going to love it from the introduction and you'll love the little story behind the book title and just in reading the note about how the title came about, it just was such a feeling of comradery and just good. And the book is packed, packed with lots of good insights and information. So good you're here to talk about it.
Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (01:52):
Thank you. Thank you. Karen,
Michelle Kane (01:55):
What brought about you to write this book?
Mary Ellen "Mel" Miller, APR (01:59):
Well, I realized that it was a really unique project in that it was just a 25 minute drive from my home here in northeast Tennessee, but yet it evolved experts from across the world coming in here to keep a dam safe and to keep people downstream safe because ultimately that's what this project was all about, was safety of the downstream public. What the issue was in a nutshell was what's called internal erosion, which is the number two cause of dam failure in the world, and a muddy seep was discovered at the base of the dam in October of 2014, and also a sinkhole was discovered in the parking lot adjacent to that. And the experts quickly realized that the lake on the opposite side, which was really the majority of people I dealt with very well-to-do lake homeowners, who naturally were rather upset when their lake had to be drawn down approximately an additional 10 feet below the winter pool level.
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sBbtzm1qaKiLRLmXAkix6L_IobQ9FYDBd1R-U5iVu48QafLHISOAe8b4haVFy7BXOoBgTcLw0hP1rVyjaXJrEWFU548?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.22'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters  and my ever steady captain of the ship over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim. Hey Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n6q_bmnqKqM3CqHJ0oEzsbL_1Om_UTNww-ITnp69nJIAe7mIoOlwr3ok267T2zn9ez6_TMguhbDffU7M7VimNM0zOhU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.01'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's good to see you after the Labor Day holiday and we did some pre-recording, give ourselves a little bit of a break, so it feels like I haven’t seen you in a while.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IE9raCoYpFog6YfRM6ijNDihBbxScJM6FyDpuOeV43uLnA4VooGDz1Dpa1dltoAqGnHiyxNDVuM2aO3UlWKtMIZB8qw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.39'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I know, right? We're getting back into things because back to school, even though I hold firm that summer's not yet over until the autumnal equinox. And I know here those of us like me on the East coast, you are more closer to the center of our country, we're having some delightful record heat this week, so that's wonderful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zDbGZegYrHgAFF8gbZcmdR0afRT4fvVUk-v54dgmW3E_hj2tlRm8wBr_elagKGxmuSTTh-frvyv-YDn82a8aQXxr94I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.68'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>The weather has really reminded me about how your experiences can shape your responses to things.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/masvMPucWJi6KDWaLG2WwtVfGc4p-WjwXxdrJQFWHx-pOYg_VCUXeOzWccjoZYlHPJp5qWW4nREqXmsyfLbqyyRumOQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.36'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, is that not so true!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WL31q6LgeKORGVKdE-JGj32ABV9_dWnei4UqcM6IRRZFNatQD-V36aV5aomLcif90ldoTxwPf5IEtx1p0pRB9ihDpcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.95'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>It's a good thing to keep in mind with our clients. I have five, six Brazilian families on my block. I love that. And I was talking with a couple of the neighbors the other day, and it's been in the nineties and humid, so it has not been pleasant to people like me who don't do well with those temperatures, but they are thrilled to pieces and they just want to make this last. And so they were saying like, “Oh my God, isn't this great? Do you want to take a walk later?” And I'm like, “No, no, I don't, as a matter of fact, want to take a walk and this oppressive, horrible, hot as hell, heat.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LHs0Vi5uAjEIAfFICbzBldWxmFKHy9UW0m0YFylleqFJsPc4aa5ymPfG2ndNVDUdjjr-G-nTL2Pf75CnqjeRtknnvYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.61'>01:57</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nw9SrZFkygVTe2UYhHSlIc9UZK2jmDxwqU5jSd1fzLPP8Oe5pMDBDZ1Cv67I80HH0mvPkdyxLzmRlV-XsqeUhxcKNPE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.5'>01:58</a>):</p>
<p>I just want to take my dog and go in the air conditioning. That's what I would like to do, but they're so happy. And I thought, for me, it's super uncomfortable and I feel like I can't breathe. And for them, they're just like, amazing. Let's enjoy every second of it. And I'm like,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9PHUpdcs-PJWMqZ5eXPjj4zjNKl4sNks8tJjJOqcwPJdaG8tyzYcKYm-WutUf_sYGWWTP9VN1n9-2ssf7bPZB-YuSJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.85'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>You enjoy for me. Okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Alnu4EUGhUEPxGglYfzxcOUQGQ_cjJdNHrkwOsJDiieSL9Uv2mRhvKgjYPy1gxL9TGMZbC0pYtescqB6Z5R2JTvCsc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.27'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So yeah, our experiences definitely shape our perceptions and as we're putting together campaigns for clients and messaging, it’s a good thing to keep in mind that what we intend is not always the way that people will receive it. And a good example of that is our Book Club Fail. Michelle and I are starting a book club where we read a book together and we were going to share with you our findings. And so we have a list of blogs that were recommended for communications professionals, and there was one that caught our attention, and the title is Surrounded by Idiots: How Ineffective Communication Causes Chaos. Now as communicators, we obviously thought this book was about client work, and this will be a fun read and a short read. Turns out,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjsNGteqIkkr8v3jsGfaJ3hEnX7lJcdmzCDg7s_9bhBP6amUTX98F8Tp6bFnphawTwn_Gaw5-TO7WOVdsnrX22UJkfY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.71'>03:20</a>):</p>
<p>No, not so much. We failed our own challenge. No, it was definitely more of a DISC-ish kind of approach, and it was really about not about communicators at all. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LtES4q0obXaOfm6q2MDyOGa_LDoGFEQmbHAbKP72qZHJWgvXIoCWYqLNF4R7vb90K_hR5eHpMkVDUCY8VPeO0y_pNaI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.66'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it was for leaders who do not know how to communicate now. So I guess the idiots they're referring to are sometimes the people that we encounter in our work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t5Hg_--tA0Edl1jf-CJjEl6iTEu4u1QJEHNSVTLdjycGUNFJIaMF7dqNVdetiOLYC60jE7vNaLm-CuykNZ6d9iOS9D8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.73'>03:51</a>):</p>
<p>That's put in such a loving way, Karen, but yes, yes. So yeah, we were so excited and so pleased with ourselves. And then, yeah, so maybe the next book we choose, but you know what, isn't this really what happens with book clubs? Does anyone really read the book? They just go for wine time and giggles. So with that, we're going to talk about other challenges because Karen has launched a cool challenge over at Solo PR Pro. Do you want to talk about that a little bit and share with our audience and invite them to come on this challenge with us?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K7fE3cPPmnknF0gz5Gea-nKJBTjG6kf7A-c09WgB6iRp2RIIRh18LVZIejX1Pgvhsq-Uftg1KctO8GujXsXveicP6do?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.02'>04:32</a>):</p>
<p>I do, I do. I do. I'm so excited about this. Ridiculously excited.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/o6l43w-IpZb2ll-Uy-sHubT0RGqndZYdTgnhd0MefdzCnmdaHQEGl1ksLtQSF6LIYDjqFVd8loX6P8DWrobuNPs0QsY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.26'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>That's good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/66Uv4oHoI24DAqWHfXzyeOIP-TXQdiKsMn2wAgHgRqNPaVajQ5rsSxGgpfO-ZrCqkeCIcqQKd4N17NB-KZi9oUvL6dM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.46'>04:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. So we launched a 21 day business development challenge, and if you have had any encounter with me, you know that I am somebody that likes to keep it pretty simple and I don't like things that are complicated. So true to form. This is super simple. The idea of this challenge is to help us all to build that business development muscle with consistency. So we're inviting you to participate by choosing a business development activity or two, not 10, not 15, one or two activities, and then just spend 20 minutes a day on that activity. That's it. Super simple. And there's a blog post that was published yesterday that outlines our thinking. But again, super, super simple. And it doesn't matter if you are in the communications industry because this really business development is for everyone. And so if you want to join in and follow along, we invite you to do that.</p>
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<p>So I'm excited about it because I think that when we participate in business development and rather than just waiting around for passive referrals, it energizes our business and it gets us to thinking about how we're talking to people about what we do. It gets us to reconnect with previous prospects and previous clients, and good things always happen because you definitely reap what you sow. So when you're participating in business development activities, new business will come. It definitely will, and it helps us to stay in that positive mindset. This has been, it's been a weird year and we've been surrounded by a lot of challenging news about the economy and layoffs, and we've had to fight against that. We've had to keep ourself in our bubble of staying positive and just continuing to do the things that we know work while hearing all these messages that tell us life is not good. So I think this challenge is perfect for right now because the end of Q3. So it sets us up for Q4 and a strong start to the new year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FAhf5Het1rEoF3Fa2vm0U0eoGzxgBgvrhktQPl_LjdlIYtQW2ZNq33GS4tzOzMn1XenyRLBNecZrK_qchFZ1_KIhqiw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=424.25'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And a lot of this is what we already know, but it's so hard. I could be speaking for myself, probably some of you out there when it's yourself, it's so hard to just do this. And really it's thinking about this. Whenever we try to engage on these challenges, I like to frame it of how is this going to make me feel if I do this, it's going to set me up to feel more confident no matter what the day brings, because I know that I am working on business development. So if God forbid, something falls off, you're not scrambling. It happens. It happens to the best of us of, oh my gosh, so-and-so just called to quits and what am I going to do?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dYEBxWmcJ0iLhIPDw7KGog1j2mbIQRmbZMoBcpRLrhArIB3A6RBSKx-nEAMvsxk7tp4ubxQYBAQY7wIxD2zfVSX80Q0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=478.7'>07:58</a>):</p>
<p>Well, on that note, I have to say personally my team, we made a decision at some point this year that we weren't going to do business development because we were tired and needed a little bit of a break to be just fully transparent. We just didn't, like, I don't have the bandwidth for this and I just need a break. So we knew that things were going to roll off and we were going to have a bit of a slow period at some point, and we did, and it was beautiful and welcomed. And then we were like, okay, we're refreshed. We're ready. Let's hit the business development gas pedal again. And we did. So I want to share with you one tip that you may or may not be doing, but again, sometimes we overlook the simple things. We try to overcomplicate this stuff.</p>
<p>For myself, I keep all of my leads in a separate, I have a tag set up in my email and I push all of the lead emails in there, and that allows me to go back and track who I've talked to. And then it also allows me to stay in touch. So even though I am really good at maintaining connections with people and staying in touch, and I genuinely like the people that I meet, there are some that kind of fall through the cracks. Maybe we did a proposal and they decided to go with somebody else or they changed directions. So I go back through those and I reconnect with people. So I did that after our little business development break and set up some meetings, which led to some new proposals, led to some new referrals. And so I encourage you to do that because we know that referrals are our, in the communications industry, it's our number one source of business.</p>
<p>The problem is we are passive about it. We don't ask for referrals. So we don't talk to our current clients on a routine basis about, “Hey, I've got some time on my calendar. Would love to work with another company like you. Do you know anybody?” We don't ask don't for more business from our current clients like, “Hey, we're doing a great job with this department. Are there other departments that we could support you on? Are there other initiatives that we could jump in on? Are there other things that we could be doing for you?” We don't open up our mouth and we don't ask. You've all seen this where you've gotten an email where people write in the signature line or their email, say, invite you to refer them business. Do you do that in the emails that you send? Do you do that in the social media posts that you are putting out on LinkedIn?</p>
<p>Do you invite people to refer business to you and are you clear about the type of business that you want? I would venture to say that most of us do not. If you are a blogger, are you inviting people to send you business? You have to let people know that you're open for business and tell them what kind of business that you want, and don't be shy about it because you have something valuable to offer. But yes, looking back at former clients, existing clients and the people that you've already talked to before, don't be afraid to go back. Even if you we're down to the final three of a bid and they went with somebody else, don't be afraid to reach back out and say, Hey, we chatted back. It's been a couple of years since we've chatted, and yes, I did go back years. Just wanted to catch up and see what things are happening and what new initiatives you're working on. Reach out and make that connection. And even if they have left the company, then connect with somebody else in the company and say, Hey, I last chatted with so-and-so. I know that they're no longer with you. Wondered if you would be interested in setting up an appointment to chat about what you're doing, reach out to the person if you could find them on LinkedIn at their new job and say, Hey, I saw that you changed positions and the last time we talked, you we're here. Would love to catch up on what you're doing. So don't overlook that because you already know the person. So the first step, it's not like it's a cold lead. Don't be afraid to be assertive and ask for a meeting and get caught up, and that can lead to things for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gRViunbdkLmxClX0OEoewNxvSvqsOan7qfWZBb1kBVDB6dJvZ85QHRrjHwbwiRQmsihWBFdD46ENYFb6Pg4R6dOhu_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=749.14'>12:29</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's so true because I think so many of us, not that we try too hard in that phony way, but we think, oh, it's got to be a program. It's got to be put together. It's got to be the best thing, and it's got to be so ready, no, just keep it simple. Not only are you spending less precious energy on it, you're just doing the basic thing of touching base and being, again, being helpful, being that potentially helpful person. And maybe it's even making connections too of saying, depending on how you met them, ”Hey, I know we met at blah, blah, blah, and you were considering whatever it was and just wanted to check and see if you found the resources you needed.” Those are great sideways ways to touch base with someone. And it's so true. You don't have, because don't ask and oh, how many of us do that? Pointing that myself, right? It's like, oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1rDlim19yUWR0pf-hMCovB4VUQ45DT3nvMQL3dJO_kDgIzemoIP5s2EB_RPl-6MeNMm_HdmmBv1xjVOqciU7olmyxpA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.65'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'll tell you though that my motto and I shared this with clients is that nothing is ever wasted. And I'm like that pretty much in my life. I'm somebody that likes to ring every last drop of usefulness out of everything in my life. So I'm like a dog with a bone. If I have a pitch and it doesn't get a secured opportunity, I keep all those pitches too. I keep them in client folders. I keep them grouped and categorized. I may go back to a pitch two years later because it's relevant again and something comes up. And so I never let go until I've gotten everything that I possibly can out of it. And it is like done. It's ripped, it's done.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bXD_dBVOSyvzfo8NFue2cR_BmQYYXE-Dh-pquY_6CVgpNtOJLchznQBl31NrEtsnFfpNpS6QtSWMA3F4YVf6BwWx_ME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=865.15'>14:25</a>):</p>
<p>It's like never, no stone left unturned.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SV-EnF6iSrak1bKyNdP0BsQzXd-R2XZOeK9HhURr9NJTpTVyYk36hWMk3Rej6CTfROE_MBB5yZHuKYfPaZLqzFw2CFc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=870.94'>14:30</a>):</p>
<p>I'll never let it go. I do not give up. But honestly, when it comes to business development, I have honestly had clients that have closed more than a year after an initial discussion a year. I just didn't let it go. Talking to them, there is one client that was, oh my God, one of my favorite clients still to this point, and I do love all the people that I work with, but we talked through, we started talking when she was at one company, three companies later in the client, three whole companies.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mH0jGQ6RiXHcFX2Rg1J0EluN69Pafp-4pionbIPF4eBGtXB-lgVQ6QE7HQPjd4c341UIENuMT3RKPWyDGLkrR3ItNqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.33'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>Well, that brings to the forefront a really important aspect of business development. It doesn't happen overnight. I mean, you might have those unicorns or someone contacts you and by the end of the week the deal is sealed, but so often it takes months, six months or a year just because of the day-to-day of the potential client. They may know they have a need, but budget's not approved, but the product's not ready or this isn't right. Everything has to align. So there's two sides of that coin, right? On the one side is if you have a significant gap in your workload that can stress you out. But on the other side, it's kind of nice to know of, okay, this, it's like I say to so many, I say, it's a slow burn. It's not going to necessarily have someone come to you today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/37Ve2Oe-4eXXdI19AkFnDoOfot2S0FmNUQ_yzzUiOApkSHDq5NMz6_vb_eNp4q7T75gF-kbpNKe9p2P2TzzSv95tcqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=974.81'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. That's why you have to keep your pipeline filled because you're going to have people at various stages. You are going to have those people that are longer leads just with the media, but you're also going to have those short-term hits. You're going to have people that are ready to pop. And that's why consistency is really key, because you're always nurturing relationships and you're putting more in that pipeline. So there's always someone along the path of becoming a yes. And so if you're doing business development every day, you're not going to have to wait six months until you close something. You really aren't because you're active. You're putting yourself out there. And even if you say, you know what? My business development activity is going to be thought leadership via LinkedIn. If you're on LinkedIn for 21 days and you're providing information and thought leadership, and you are letting people know that you're accepting work, someone is going to reach out to you. You just have to have that attitude of openness that they are going to reach out to you or you're going to connect with somebody that you then make a step and say, Hey, I saw that you were doing this because you're in that mode of developing new business and developing new relationships, and so your efforts can put you in front of people that are ready to go. And they were like, “Hey, we were just talking about this. We're looking for a PR agency.” I mean, that's happened to all of us.</p>
<p>Again, that's why you need to have a mix of opportunities and consistency. So think about it. If you're going to people that you've already talked to, maybe it's somebody that you talked to a few months ago and they just weren't ready, but you go back and now they're ready. Maybe it's somebody that you worked with before, then they didn't really need ongoing pr, but now they're like, Hey, perfect timing. We wanted to do a six month project or a four month project or a three month project. That's a piece of business that would not have happened if you didn't think to reach out. So getting started and just doing it over and over and over again, and once you develop the habit of consistency, then you'll be able to carry it forward. And then you won't be in that position where you're like, uh oh.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gXRJyIklHLuaqwV6zCoZ5oOrC6ZkCyoO86A-aFaHJWV-Qu8aOF5YlBzSPvaSm-QSdMaaurj9-otsP5b_JMrepADbjvQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1120.02'>18:40</a>):</p>
<p>Like an unread book for book club.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/azq9XrcE4Zy1UjbSC_GHOtFxYD2k7xdGub_WyGTvAiZixltOa1zB4LNn9Iepd-s5sqJQ3WbCsko0cxRTppATJ0rQ_sw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1124.97'>18:44</a>):</p>
<p>Have the safety net cushion. Let's just be real. Losing business doesn't feel good. And you're like,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1YnEBQSqUNq-i3I0TYQ8j80H7_h8xnQzbcsxeFJ8NEqVKfYKUEjFyoxG6yJQ2WTr7OFDwJvyScNdVRrFk6cyqYaSTwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1135.14'>18:55</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And it's funny, and I tell myself all the time, when that day comes, it's also, it's usually, it's always, well, I'm not going to say always 99% of the time, it's nothing personal, it's just business. Even though I know in our profession we tend to get attached because we're so invested in the success of the client, it does hurt and it's going to hurt. But that's okay. That's okay too. So just roll with that. And I think even if you take one of these tidbits from today, not the don't read the book for book club, but one of these great business development tips are, heck, just read the chapter titles. You'll be fine.</p>
<p>But we do hope that you'll join us on this challenge. It's 21 days, and I love, Karen, that you framed it that you can start on any day, but do it this month. Do it this month so that you're not still saying, I'm going to start in November. Start when it feels right for you. So this is no pressure. We want you to be cool, calm, and consistent in your business development. So check out the blog at soloprpro.com. Check all the other goodness out there too. If you felt this was valuable to you, please share it around to your friends. Share it out on your socials. We would really appreciate that as well. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book Clubs start with the best of intentions, don’t they? In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle turn their book club fail into an opportunity to amp up your business development for a great Q4.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sBbtzm1qaKiLRLmXAkix6L_IobQ9FYDBd1R-U5iVu48QafLHISOAe8b4haVFy7BXOoBgTcLw0hP1rVyjaXJrEWFU548?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.22'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters  and my ever steady captain of the ship over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim. Hey Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n6q_bmnqKqM3CqHJ0oEzsbL_1Om_UTNww-ITnp69nJIAe7mIoOlwr3ok267T2zn9ez6_TMguhbDffU7M7VimNM0zOhU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=18.01'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's good to see you after the Labor Day holiday and we did some pre-recording, give ourselves a little bit of a break, so it feels like I haven’t seen you in a while.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IE9raCoYpFog6YfRM6ijNDihBbxScJM6FyDpuOeV43uLnA4VooGDz1Dpa1dltoAqGnHiyxNDVuM2aO3UlWKtMIZB8qw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.39'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I know, right? We're getting back into things because back to school, even though I hold firm that summer's not yet over until the autumnal equinox. And I know here those of us like me on the East coast, you are more closer to the center of our country, we're having some delightful record heat this week, so that's wonderful.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zDbGZegYrHgAFF8gbZcmdR0afRT4fvVUk-v54dgmW3E_hj2tlRm8wBr_elagKGxmuSTTh-frvyv-YDn82a8aQXxr94I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=61.68'>01:01</a>):</p>
<p>The weather has really reminded me about how your experiences can shape your responses to things.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/masvMPucWJi6KDWaLG2WwtVfGc4p-WjwXxdrJQFWHx-pOYg_VCUXeOzWccjoZYlHPJp5qWW4nREqXmsyfLbqyyRumOQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=69.36'>01:09</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, is that not so true!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WL31q6LgeKORGVKdE-JGj32ABV9_dWnei4UqcM6IRRZFNatQD-V36aV5aomLcif90ldoTxwPf5IEtx1p0pRB9ihDpcI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=70.95'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>It's a good thing to keep in mind with our clients. I have five, six Brazilian families on my block. I love that. And I was talking with a couple of the neighbors the other day, and it's been in the nineties and humid, so it has not been pleasant to people like me who don't do well with those temperatures, but they are thrilled to pieces and they just want to make this last. And so they were saying like, “Oh my God, isn't this great? Do you want to take a walk later?” And I'm like, “No, no, I don't, as a matter of fact, want to take a walk and this oppressive, horrible, hot as hell, heat.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LHs0Vi5uAjEIAfFICbzBldWxmFKHy9UW0m0YFylleqFJsPc4aa5ymPfG2ndNVDUdjjr-G-nTL2Pf75CnqjeRtknnvYI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=117.61'>01:57</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nw9SrZFkygVTe2UYhHSlIc9UZK2jmDxwqU5jSd1fzLPP8Oe5pMDBDZ1Cv67I80HH0mvPkdyxLzmRlV-XsqeUhxcKNPE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=118.5'>01:58</a>):</p>
<p>I just want to take my dog and go in the air conditioning. That's what I would like to do, but they're so happy. And I thought, for me, it's super uncomfortable and I feel like I can't breathe. And for them, they're just like, amazing. Let's enjoy every second of it. And I'm like,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9PHUpdcs-PJWMqZ5eXPjj4zjNKl4sNks8tJjJOqcwPJdaG8tyzYcKYm-WutUf_sYGWWTP9VN1n9-2ssf7bPZB-YuSJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=137.85'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>You enjoy for me. Okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Alnu4EUGhUEPxGglYfzxcOUQGQ_cjJdNHrkwOsJDiieSL9Uv2mRhvKgjYPy1gxL9TGMZbC0pYtescqB6Z5R2JTvCsc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=140.27'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So yeah, our experiences definitely shape our perceptions and as we're putting together campaigns for clients and messaging, it’s a good thing to keep in mind that what we intend is not always the way that people will receive it. And a good example of that is our Book Club Fail. Michelle and I are starting a book club where we read a book together and we were going to share with you our findings. And so we have a list of blogs that were recommended for communications professionals, and there was one that caught our attention, and the title is Surrounded by Idiots: How Ineffective Communication Causes Chaos. Now as communicators, we obviously thought this book was about client work, and this will be a fun read and a short read. Turns out,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjsNGteqIkkr8v3jsGfaJ3hEnX7lJcdmzCDg7s_9bhBP6amUTX98F8Tp6bFnphawTwn_Gaw5-TO7WOVdsnrX22UJkfY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=200.71'>03:20</a>):</p>
<p>No, not so much. We failed our own challenge. No, it was definitely more of a DISC-ish kind of approach, and it was really about not about communicators at all. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LtES4q0obXaOfm6q2MDyOGa_LDoGFEQmbHAbKP72qZHJWgvXIoCWYqLNF4R7vb90K_hR5eHpMkVDUCY8VPeO0y_pNaI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.66'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it was for leaders who do not know how to communicate now. So I guess the idiots they're referring to are sometimes the people that we encounter in our work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t5Hg_--tA0Edl1jf-CJjEl6iTEu4u1QJEHNSVTLdjycGUNFJIaMF7dqNVdetiOLYC60jE7vNaLm-CuykNZ6d9iOS9D8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=231.73'>03:51</a>):</p>
<p>That's put in such a loving way, Karen, but yes, yes. So yeah, we were so excited and so pleased with ourselves. And then, yeah, so maybe the next book we choose, but you know what, isn't this really what happens with book clubs? Does anyone really read the book? They just go for wine time and giggles. So with that, we're going to talk about other challenges because Karen has launched a cool challenge over at Solo PR Pro. Do you want to talk about that a little bit and share with our audience and invite them to come on this challenge with us?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K7fE3cPPmnknF0gz5Gea-nKJBTjG6kf7A-c09WgB6iRp2RIIRh18LVZIejX1Pgvhsq-Uftg1KctO8GujXsXveicP6do?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=272.02'>04:32</a>):</p>
<p>I do, I do. I do. I'm so excited about this. Ridiculously excited.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/o6l43w-IpZb2ll-Uy-sHubT0RGqndZYdTgnhd0MefdzCnmdaHQEGl1ksLtQSF6LIYDjqFVd8loX6P8DWrobuNPs0QsY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=278.26'>04:38</a>):</p>
<p>That's good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/66Uv4oHoI24DAqWHfXzyeOIP-TXQdiKsMn2wAgHgRqNPaVajQ5rsSxGgpfO-ZrCqkeCIcqQKd4N17NB-KZi9oUvL6dM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=279.46'>04:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. So we launched a 21 day business development challenge, and if you have had any encounter with me, you know that I am somebody that likes to keep it pretty simple and I don't like things that are complicated. So true to form. This is super simple. The idea of this challenge is to help us all to build that business development muscle with consistency. So we're inviting you to participate by choosing a business development activity or two, not 10, not 15, one or two activities, and then just spend 20 minutes a day on that activity. That's it. Super simple. And there's a blog post that was published yesterday that outlines our thinking. But again, super, super simple. And it doesn't matter if you are in the communications industry because this really business development is for everyone. And so if you want to join in and follow along, we invite you to do that.</p>
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<p>So I'm excited about it because I think that when we participate in business development and rather than just waiting around for passive referrals, it energizes our business and it gets us to thinking about how we're talking to people about what we do. It gets us to reconnect with previous prospects and previous clients, and good things always happen because you definitely reap what you sow. So when you're participating in business development activities, new business will come. It definitely will, and it helps us to stay in that positive mindset. This has been, it's been a weird year and we've been surrounded by a lot of challenging news about the economy and layoffs, and we've had to fight against that. We've had to keep ourself in our bubble of staying positive and just continuing to do the things that we know work while hearing all these messages that tell us life is not good. So I think this challenge is perfect for right now because the end of Q3. So it sets us up for Q4 and a strong start to the new year.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FAhf5Het1rEoF3Fa2vm0U0eoGzxgBgvrhktQPl_LjdlIYtQW2ZNq33GS4tzOzMn1XenyRLBNecZrK_qchFZ1_KIhqiw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=424.25'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And a lot of this is what we already know, but it's so hard. I could be speaking for myself, probably some of you out there when it's yourself, it's so hard to just do this. And really it's thinking about this. Whenever we try to engage on these challenges, I like to frame it of how is this going to make me feel if I do this, it's going to set me up to feel more confident no matter what the day brings, because I know that I am working on business development. So if God forbid, something falls off, you're not scrambling. It happens. It happens to the best of us of, oh my gosh, so-and-so just called to quits and what am I going to do?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dYEBxWmcJ0iLhIPDw7KGog1j2mbIQRmbZMoBcpRLrhArIB3A6RBSKx-nEAMvsxk7tp4ubxQYBAQY7wIxD2zfVSX80Q0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=478.7'>07:58</a>):</p>
<p>Well, on that note, I have to say personally my team, we made a decision at some point this year that we weren't going to do business development because we were tired and needed a little bit of a break to be just fully transparent. We just didn't, like, I don't have the bandwidth for this and I just need a break. So we knew that things were going to roll off and we were going to have a bit of a slow period at some point, and we did, and it was beautiful and welcomed. And then we were like, okay, we're refreshed. We're ready. Let's hit the business development gas pedal again. And we did. So I want to share with you one tip that you may or may not be doing, but again, sometimes we overlook the simple things. We try to overcomplicate this stuff.</p>
<p>For myself, I keep all of my leads in a separate, I have a tag set up in my email and I push all of the lead emails in there, and that allows me to go back and track who I've talked to. And then it also allows me to stay in touch. So even though I am really good at maintaining connections with people and staying in touch, and I genuinely like the people that I meet, there are some that kind of fall through the cracks. Maybe we did a proposal and they decided to go with somebody else or they changed directions. So I go back through those and I reconnect with people. So I did that after our little business development break and set up some meetings, which led to some new proposals, led to some new referrals. And so I encourage you to do that because we know that referrals are our, in the communications industry, it's our number one source of business.</p>
<p>The problem is we are passive about it. We don't ask for referrals. So we don't talk to our current clients on a routine basis about, “Hey, I've got some time on my calendar. Would love to work with another company like you. Do you know anybody?” We don't ask don't for more business from our current clients like, “Hey, we're doing a great job with this department. Are there other departments that we could support you on? Are there other initiatives that we could jump in on? Are there other things that we could be doing for you?” We don't open up our mouth and we don't ask. You've all seen this where you've gotten an email where people write in the signature line or their email, say, invite you to refer them business. Do you do that in the emails that you send? Do you do that in the social media posts that you are putting out on LinkedIn?</p>
<p>Do you invite people to refer business to you and are you clear about the type of business that you want? I would venture to say that most of us do not. If you are a blogger, are you inviting people to send you business? You have to let people know that you're open for business and tell them what kind of business that you want, and don't be shy about it because you have something valuable to offer. But yes, looking back at former clients, existing clients and the people that you've already talked to before, don't be afraid to go back. Even if you we're down to the final three of a bid and they went with somebody else, don't be afraid to reach back out and say, Hey, we chatted back. It's been a couple of years since we've chatted, and yes, I did go back years. Just wanted to catch up and see what things are happening and what new initiatives you're working on. Reach out and make that connection. And even if they have left the company, then connect with somebody else in the company and say, Hey, I last chatted with so-and-so. I know that they're no longer with you. Wondered if you would be interested in setting up an appointment to chat about what you're doing, reach out to the person if you could find them on LinkedIn at their new job and say, Hey, I saw that you changed positions and the last time we talked, you we're here. Would love to catch up on what you're doing. So don't overlook that because you already know the person. So the first step, it's not like it's a cold lead. Don't be afraid to be assertive and ask for a meeting and get caught up, and that can lead to things for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gRViunbdkLmxClX0OEoewNxvSvqsOan7qfWZBb1kBVDB6dJvZ85QHRrjHwbwiRQmsihWBFdD46ENYFb6Pg4R6dOhu_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=749.14'>12:29</a>):</p>
<p>I think that's so true because I think so many of us, not that we try too hard in that phony way, but we think, oh, it's got to be a program. It's got to be put together. It's got to be the best thing, and it's got to be so ready, no, just keep it simple. Not only are you spending less precious energy on it, you're just doing the basic thing of touching base and being, again, being helpful, being that potentially helpful person. And maybe it's even making connections too of saying, depending on how you met them, ”Hey, I know we met at blah, blah, blah, and you were considering whatever it was and just wanted to check and see if you found the resources you needed.” Those are great sideways ways to touch base with someone. And it's so true. You don't have, because don't ask and oh, how many of us do that? Pointing that myself, right? It's like, oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1rDlim19yUWR0pf-hMCovB4VUQ45DT3nvMQL3dJO_kDgIzemoIP5s2EB_RPl-6MeNMm_HdmmBv1xjVOqciU7olmyxpA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=815.65'>13:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'll tell you though that my motto and I shared this with clients is that nothing is ever wasted. And I'm like that pretty much in my life. I'm somebody that likes to ring every last drop of usefulness out of everything in my life. So I'm like a dog with a bone. If I have a pitch and it doesn't get a secured opportunity, I keep all those pitches too. I keep them in client folders. I keep them grouped and categorized. I may go back to a pitch two years later because it's relevant again and something comes up. And so I never let go until I've gotten everything that I possibly can out of it. And it is like done. It's ripped, it's done.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bXD_dBVOSyvzfo8NFue2cR_BmQYYXE-Dh-pquY_6CVgpNtOJLchznQBl31NrEtsnFfpNpS6QtSWMA3F4YVf6BwWx_ME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=865.15'>14:25</a>):</p>
<p>It's like never, no stone left unturned.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SV-EnF6iSrak1bKyNdP0BsQzXd-R2XZOeK9HhURr9NJTpTVyYk36hWMk3Rej6CTfROE_MBB5yZHuKYfPaZLqzFw2CFc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=870.94'>14:30</a>):</p>
<p>I'll never let it go. I do not give up. But honestly, when it comes to business development, I have honestly had clients that have closed more than a year after an initial discussion a year. I just didn't let it go. Talking to them, there is one client that was, oh my God, one of my favorite clients still to this point, and I do love all the people that I work with, but we talked through, we started talking when she was at one company, three companies later in the client, three whole companies.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mH0jGQ6RiXHcFX2Rg1J0EluN69Pafp-4pionbIPF4eBGtXB-lgVQ6QE7HQPjd4c341UIENuMT3RKPWyDGLkrR3ItNqs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.33'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>Well, that brings to the forefront a really important aspect of business development. It doesn't happen overnight. I mean, you might have those unicorns or someone contacts you and by the end of the week the deal is sealed, but so often it takes months, six months or a year just because of the day-to-day of the potential client. They may know they have a need, but budget's not approved, but the product's not ready or this isn't right. Everything has to align. So there's two sides of that coin, right? On the one side is if you have a significant gap in your workload that can stress you out. But on the other side, it's kind of nice to know of, okay, this, it's like I say to so many, I say, it's a slow burn. It's not going to necessarily have someone come to you today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/37Ve2Oe-4eXXdI19AkFnDoOfot2S0FmNUQ_yzzUiOApkSHDq5NMz6_vb_eNp4q7T75gF-kbpNKe9p2P2TzzSv95tcqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=974.81'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. That's why you have to keep your pipeline filled because you're going to have people at various stages. You are going to have those people that are longer leads just with the media, but you're also going to have those short-term hits. You're going to have people that are ready to pop. And that's why consistency is really key, because you're always nurturing relationships and you're putting more in that pipeline. So there's always someone along the path of becoming a yes. And so if you're doing business development every day, you're not going to have to wait six months until you close something. You really aren't because you're active. You're putting yourself out there. And even if you say, you know what? My business development activity is going to be thought leadership via LinkedIn. If you're on LinkedIn for 21 days and you're providing information and thought leadership, and you are letting people know that you're accepting work, someone is going to reach out to you. You just have to have that attitude of openness that they are going to reach out to you or you're going to connect with somebody that you then make a step and say, Hey, I saw that you were doing this because you're in that mode of developing new business and developing new relationships, and so your efforts can put you in front of people that are ready to go. And they were like, “Hey, we were just talking about this. We're looking for a PR agency.” I mean, that's happened to all of us.</p>
<p>Again, that's why you need to have a mix of opportunities and consistency. So think about it. If you're going to people that you've already talked to, maybe it's somebody that you talked to a few months ago and they just weren't ready, but you go back and now they're ready. Maybe it's somebody that you worked with before, then they didn't really need ongoing pr, but now they're like, Hey, perfect timing. We wanted to do a six month project or a four month project or a three month project. That's a piece of business that would not have happened if you didn't think to reach out. So getting started and just doing it over and over and over again, and once you develop the habit of consistency, then you'll be able to carry it forward. And then you won't be in that position where you're like, uh oh.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gXRJyIklHLuaqwV6zCoZ5oOrC6ZkCyoO86A-aFaHJWV-Qu8aOF5YlBzSPvaSm-QSdMaaurj9-otsP5b_JMrepADbjvQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1120.02'>18:40</a>):</p>
<p>Like an unread book for book club.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/azq9XrcE4Zy1UjbSC_GHOtFxYD2k7xdGub_WyGTvAiZixltOa1zB4LNn9Iepd-s5sqJQ3WbCsko0cxRTppATJ0rQ_sw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1124.97'>18:44</a>):</p>
<p>Have the safety net cushion. Let's just be real. Losing business doesn't feel good. And you're like,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1YnEBQSqUNq-i3I0TYQ8j80H7_h8xnQzbcsxeFJ8NEqVKfYKUEjFyoxG6yJQ2WTr7OFDwJvyScNdVRrFk6cyqYaSTwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1135.14'>18:55</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And it's funny, and I tell myself all the time, when that day comes, it's also, it's usually, it's always, well, I'm not going to say always 99% of the time, it's nothing personal, it's just business. Even though I know in our profession we tend to get attached because we're so invested in the success of the client, it does hurt and it's going to hurt. But that's okay. That's okay too. So just roll with that. And I think even if you take one of these tidbits from today, not the don't read the book for book club, but one of these great business development tips are, heck, just read the chapter titles. You'll be fine.</p>
<p>But we do hope that you'll join us on this challenge. It's 21 days, and I love, Karen, that you framed it that you can start on any day, but do it this month. Do it this month so that you're not still saying, I'm going to start in November. Start when it feels right for you. So this is no pressure. We want you to be cool, calm, and consistent in your business development. So check out the blog at soloprpro.com. Check all the other goodness out there too. If you felt this was valuable to you, please share it around to your friends. Share it out on your socials. We would really appreciate that as well. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters  and my ever steady captain of the ship over at Solo PR Pro, Karen Swim. Hey Karen, how are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:18):
Hello, Michelle. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's good to see you after the Labor Day holiday and we did some pre-recording, give ourselves a little bit of a break, so it feels like I haven’t seen you in a while.
Michelle Kane (00:33):
I know, right? We're getting back into things because back to school, even though I hold firm that summer's not yet over until the autumnal equinox. And I know here those of us like me on the East coast, you are more closer to the center of our country, we're having some delightful record heat this week, so that's wonderful.
Karen Swim, APR (01:01):
The weather has really reminded me about how your experiences can shape your responses to things.
Michelle Kane (01:09):
Oh, is that not so true!
Karen Swim, APR (01:10):
It's a good thing to keep in mind with our clients. I have five, six Brazilian families on my block. I love that. And I was talking with a couple of the neighbors the other day, and it's been in the nineties and humid, so it has not been pleasant to people like me who don't do well with those temperatures, but they are thrilled to pieces and they just want to make this last. And so they were saying like, “Oh my God, isn't this great? Do you want to take a walk later?” And I'm like, “No, no, I don't, as a matter of fact, want to take a walk and this oppressive, horrible, hot as hell, heat.”
Michelle Kane (01:57):
Exactly.
Karen Swim, APR (01:58):
I just want to take my dog and go in the air conditioning. That's what I would like to do, but they're so happy. And I thought, for me, it's super uncomfortable and I feel like I can't breathe. And for them, they're just like, amazing. Let's enjoy every second of it. And I'm like,
Michelle Kane (02:17):
You enjoy for me. Okay.
Karen Swim, APR (02:20):
Yeah. So yeah, our experiences definitely shape our perceptions and as we're putting together campaigns for clients and messaging, it’s a good thing to keep in mind that what we intend is not always the way that people will receive it. And a good example of that is our Book Club Fail. Michelle and I are starting a book club where we read a book together and we were going to share with you our findings. And so we have a list of blogs that were recommended for communications professionals, and there was one that caught our attention, and the title is Surrounded by Idiots: How Ineffective Communication Causes Chaos. Now as communicators, we obviously thought this book was about client work, and this will be a fun read and a short read. Turns out,
Michelle Kane (03:20):
No, not so much. We failed our own challenge. No, it was definitely more of a DISC-ish kind of approach, and it was really about not about communicators at all. So…
Karen Swim, APR (03:37):
Yeah, it was for leaders who do not know how to communicate now. So I guess the idiots they're referring to are sometimes the people that we encounter in our work.
Michelle Kane (03:51):
That's put in such a loving way, Karen, but yes, yes. So yeah, we were so excited and so pleased with ourselves. And then, yeah, so maybe the next book we choose, but you know what, isn't this really what happens with book clubs? Does anyone really read the book? They just go for wine time and giggles. So with that, we're going to talk about other challenges because Karen has launched a cool challenge over at Solo PR Pro. Do you want to talk about that a little bit and share with our audience and invite them to come on this chal]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The media landscape is constantly changing, making it harder on journalists. Naturally this affects how PR pros do our jobs. In this episode we talk all about it, including some points from recent survey results from Cision and MuckRack.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gU6rvD0ur-ojV_rwvGB-crAwBKQ52yCX8xWckJO_jygcszjaDeHutHbDA9szvDc55qu5I3HcoUVnLbkB-8h7yLElD4g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.03'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another episode. Here we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/95fVYVZDvvMp4IeBUg-rraOV0ceT2SJYiLUuqPIc4Ec7ZzZ6y0bUeEi5BH69kBrs6PaGYqbzIQ-xvIkRaDpzCK874pI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.85'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hello Michelle. We are here. We are steady eddies. What's the female version of that? Is it steady? I don't know.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gLRM-KP2hf3JiIVnT_ZmEdTWAX-A4azPgIngoe5E2rpRdgPrfQfRzbTe_67l5A481i9MB_yd-E_0MhqHHW0_kAoZZuo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.37'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm sure we can think of something</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PZigFokdirgAqeMYVyq-5xjeJ4zTvI4t1Qdf9OYvC3bAOY5V9kUKAS_PCMEXhS2RM-R12SxNhh1I5RFvc1KpMg6B6ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.65'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>For sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/va0QR44mwOGVdV8L_-77Dd6mGu1_-LMzyHoqA6DO7X7toK7OrRYjWv29qim5WuCXfJxFgv3fsvzVFWybVny-y461YBk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.72'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>We're creative like that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZZQ7M14MpDqTU04BQ_fFhyyihbnAfZ4L67k-SL8d6ZZZjnTnguKkvQJDghpuHpZrzDCZkA3ZXmNwRgI6VQlZJetpnbQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.22'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>I'm so happy to be here. The older you get, the more you celebrate every single day that you are waking up and jumping out of bed.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ivsFqfoopknliD-XbfpSLyCevIz8DCW5f6ZAXii6Ttgh7vQIh3gy0aFZ6WAZ1gEBGOiZ8g6dzLm-xP8Ry-_qiYraFJo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=52.77'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>That's a good motivator. I will say it's true. It is true. I'm going to totally bobble this point because I forget the meme. It was something, oh, I think it was a Marcus Aurelius quote actually. Something about something to look forward to each day - for an ancient dude, he has some timely advice and I thought, yeah, I think I shared it with my thought of, yeah. “Okay. I'll tell myself this on Monday morning.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6qn0lSDaE7f6ogHc7BnSpl7hH8I2ORvsFLvJsyQ-SNoVl0GlC-bIsvnSdw83qilzAqFCsYffrsTUfwmYv1uvpQFIvWE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.6'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>We're live, we're here and we're doing something that we love. We love this podcast. We love getting together and chatting. That's true. And just inviting a few of our friends to listen in with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hIjzvy7YB8WL3SwnqatKwNltSJ_ffXbLdwCb9zTTjVdGJfRjnk1McAsN8cT7KasxfJjeft13F6NJcxExVIXbkiNR3v4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.4'>01:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. So we hope you are ready Today we are spurred on by a couple of reports from Cision and MuckRack talking about the state of journalism today, which as we all know, if you're listening, you may have already made a face, but hopefully we're just going to talk about this a little bit and try and bring out some of the brighter points to keep our tools sharpened.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VwpiOqXLZi-9hMy2OB05Jm56LQsqfsYFQZVLZpVexycx8PazkwrFVdVBr8QMGnxByrxtMb5HtpXmNF2bjh0daiG7Q2Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.13'>02:02</a>):</p>
<p>And I think as both of these reports mentioned, the more that we understand the challenges that journalists are facing, the more that we understand how to be problem solvers for them because obviously for communications professionals, journalists are definitely one of our audiences. And so it's important to learn how we can be more collaborative and more helpful. And there are a couple points that really stood out for me that are troubling.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FT778iyEGLy75F4sMmCUuI2kal-yn7v1K-g7zqOMcV9oMAZDmjQ-byY-MfKQAdx7s2PG24sbnGdVfm7dseCqT790EGw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.91'>02:32</a>):</p>
<p>All right. We'll do the bad news first. Hit me with the first point.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fAX6jP9wg4cmI5VcqgTnWGufxE8GTOZWTjtl0HXW05_j-bxKywqVALh_K_Rik-vtN792rb_HjS9TjWCE4HmAm654Acs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.86'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>So the bad news is these studies show that there is less trust in CEOs as credible sources.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zqZIc0mNZZw7Md6Z58nHmNffcuEFcXIupC1uIO_9UHKgiwiipNHAYW6Jcd2LrQB8rca4HCPAi0Q6AoOKEHc-B6pFNbk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.28'>02:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that one stood out for me as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ex_KOUj3UW2TR2SDnuyrgHZ9u8uNz0ZDxMfcDd9VCEKCdpZBXZLqwQM15iWwWnR-NNemJRFn2yHgmEOruOJ5vrEy9R8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=173.37'>02:53</a>):</p>
<p>And aligned with that, this makes sense that one of the biggest challenges for that, journalists said, that they've experienced in the last 12 months, and this is from I think the Cision study, is that their challenge is maintaining credibility as a trusted news source. So you have them battling against misinformation, this label of fake news, combating those accusations and maintaining credibility and then not trusting that we are helping with that at all. So concerning,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VG2l6TpH0-LX1i8Ky0EY35NW8cr4ozmsmCRR0Eeu5cEV43UyTz2le1WoqHscONwoz8m4jgheUsDXMNuNz21GSqjn-T0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.99'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>And I could totally see why. I mean, there are the nefarious sorts out there who are all too happy to use credible news organizations to spread their misinformation and disinformation. And that's not to say that journalists don't fact check. Of course they do. But yeah, it's a really tenuous spot, which puts us the PR pros in a really difficult situation because,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Yoqq27JYl26-GBRnHNWw02wzznD2uGz75MSq3NXsl2EGnCNH_rh1GEJug_66h8dAqNPEqxemhgVLFD1H2E_0au1P9T8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.36'>04:04</a>):</p>
<p>And I hate to say this because I know that the majority of our audience, there are some that are coming up in the profession and emerging. The majority of our audience knows this, but I think it's always good to remind ourselves too, because in the heat of the moment when we deal with a lot of things that journalists do not realize, there is pressure from clients, there are the demands that they don't see. There are the requests that we push back on. There are things that we educate about, but I think that it is critical today to educate our clients thoroughly about the role that the media actually does play. The media is not part of your marketing team, and unfortunately, if you don't have something that can advance a story forward, that adds value, that presents something that the reporters' readers will be interested in hearing, you're going to have a harder time getting coverage in credible publications. So to be credible, don't see this as an opportunity to push forward the name of your company.</p>
<p>I understand the struggle is real and I have beautiful clients, wonderful clients as we all do, but we all know that sometimes it's really hard for companies to get out of their own way. You ask them a question and they immediately default to company speak and the company line, and it's hard to say, “No one cares. Talk to me about beyond your company. Talk to me about the issues that others in your industry are facing. Talk to me about the challenges your clients are facing. Give us a point of view of that. Give us some instruction, help us the way forward.” It is hard, but we've got to do the hard work because, and especially in the season, we are now in an election season and we all know the battle for what is that</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qq3RaYumUWLDPbKWsBR6U0ODOLYIIWlNqxj4ZtzfPFRqHv0XX7UpVy925hoOgpAhnM3sd4o0nEXL1lWDZzBDbn0P4HE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.73'>06:25</a>):</p>
<p>Bandwidth.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0jYkPdDXe9H51UZ1skZ9hzpdz1EpyCVpExDub1TwZ67esRugxkoqEpPrNrmzyJcJ5hxOAmJkFcOxXi0zD64FNF3A4sM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=388.22'>06:28</a>):</p>
<p>The battle for the bandwidth of reporters is going to shrink, but also in the season more than ever, we've got to be part of the fight disinformation solution. So we've got to help news organizations to truly be valued again and to be seen as credible. And we can be a part of that by offering up valuable, credible information. It's rough out there,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Dov0jKtVfZmouOzxU0AaElnr56NXMgrTeyzaKwY6Ints3yf-pzug_tX7DxseTNAUcuqgfzWf1vJ0u8hxt_f02qp3f14?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.77'>07:00</a>):</p>
<p>But one of the tools or the brighter notions of these surveys, this is from MuckRack, is one way that our clients can help that cause. And rather than just casually think, oh, the media is just here to be my mouthpiece, they said journalists as a whole plan to spend more time on YouTube, LinkedIn, and even TikTok. So as we've often said, every company has the potential to be their own media company by putting out your own information on your own owned channels, while journalists are planning on spending more time there probably to learn more about you, maybe to vet you. So keep that in mind as a means of presenting, supporting evidence or more deeper information as they consider whether to cover your story.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VoCXFqqMJy4W5NQ1sqSEZr7_q8v8nSSXSXqHl6-UATDRGtNuJT3GpOIgUQbdlAEmtE2zXp0Dou7BrJNes-RCLxw8kfQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.99'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean the MuckRack survey, I love this because I feel like journalists, they can sometimes not be fair to us in the way that they view us, but they also get us, I consider them part of our people. And this was really cool. When asked about their optimism about their profession, 58% said that yes, they were optimistic about the journalism profession. That's more than half, so that's good. 42% were not, but that's okay. Things will improve and understand that they're impacted by the same things that are impacting everyone else. They're seeing shrinking ad revenues, which means shrinking resources for them, more pressure with less resources, less job certainty. Many are switching jobs, many are trying to find other ways that they can make a living at doing the thing that they love doing. So it's rough out there.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SQyhdz6FrtauxvL25s3_6zvU3IvyP-kkOPw92auurbmK3itRdpu6IqKxUxpN6X5KCLTloUlB6hj0DhVLbkUuUAnV9mU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.61'>09:05</a>):</p>
<p>It really is. It really is. The more that the digital and print advertising landscape changes, the harder it is for all of us as a result. Really, even those of us in the communications field, those of us who do that kind of work with media buying, you're like, okay, I might be making this decision away from a print piece, but that means I am creating my own trouble.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gUW1SSGjb1AoemHCDjvGyIfwcq1FTLDCTC1lzdBUnk4-BsB7Ktj4WHLnj7-5XPx8FMu9GG9EUdUMyH90v7nz4NOYgr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=569.86'>09:29</a>):</p>
<p>And I know, just to give you guys some positive ways that you can sort of combat this, clients are going to be clients. Make sure that you are setting a tone consistently, because unfortunately you say things in the beginning and it flies out of people's heads. So you have to consistently set a tone that public relations is not confined to media relations. And so we also have to look for more robust ways to tell stories to connect with our audiences. We have to be innovators and not just rule followers. We should be creating new paths forward when it makes sense to work with the media, help them by having publishable content that is a game changer. When you have good meaty publishable content, don't limit the things that you pitch to just your client's point of view. Reach into their client base, reach out to adjacent experts and enrich a story with credible sources.</p>
<p>If you have a healthcare client and you're talking about an issue, grab a medical expert and get a publishable quote from that expert to really provide more meat to that journalist and to help them not to have to hunt down other sources. Again, it's all about credibility and quality information that's going to speak volumes. Do provide them with rich sources from your own experts. So rather than just provide a quote, I interview all of our internal experts, and I have always, for years, used Otter AI to record and transcribe those calls, provide a transcript of the questions that you ask the experts so that because the journalists may find other nuggets within there, don't be afraid to give them, feed them a lot of things that can really help them to do their jobs. And again, in this season, it's about being creative. Maybe you add in an audiogram in addition to the things that you're sending. We love audiograms as podcast.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/d4ZIhIiwo3BPsl-KFCXvIfjTidJRL_TIkJVU9D81-gJGbwQ9m1B2eapaYz689OvBvoL2_PMP7OOfq0cfwIGPArmMnUQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.6'>11:49</a>):</p>
<p>We do. It all comes down to what are you trying to do as what are your clients trying to do? Right? They're trying to present themselves as the solution to their target audience's problems. So rather than just blasting, here's our new thing, okay, well why does that matter? What pain points is that going to resolve? And this is true for PR and marketing. How are you going to enrich or better someone's existence, whether that's making their business more money, making their lives easier, solving a major issue in society, how are you contributing? And like Karen, like you just said, adding all those different layers, plus that helps the journalist. I mean, having something that well-formed in story form. If I'm a journalist and I'm just presented with a few pitch points, okay, now you do it, or something that's crafted and really nearly ready to go in today's landscape, which are you going to be more inclined to go for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qi3V1tyvRLWvJHFYVjb7Uph15IyQcU-wSHGjBKFQZsvJGcRQi2-k1nNILI0oh7r8yD0L0bFz6kuCGuZzetiae-8Pe9I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=773.41'>12:53</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And don't be afraid to help on things that have nothing to do with you.</p>
<p>You can help a journalist out and say, Hey, I saw that you were working on a story. I know somebody that can be of help. And it doesn't have to be a client. Jump in to help on things. Check in with the journalists that you work with often and ask what are they working on? Can you be of help? Can you be of assistance? And most importantly, let's all just always be respectful that we're all under the same pressures. Life is weird for every single one of us. Journalists are human beings who are also going through the same challenges as the rest of the world. So be kind and make the most of their time. Their inboxes are overflowing too. As someone who gets pitched a lot, I have a heightened sensitivity how annoying it is to just have your inbox clogged up by things because people had an agenda that had nothing to do with you. It's annoying and having it hit you in your email, in your social media inboxes and having to go to all these places and read through a bunch of garbage can really make you not a nice person. It's funny because Kami and Misa did a newsletter this week and she talked about showing up in people's DMs and how she, who someone did that to her on LinkedIn, and she is the sweetest, but I was laughing. I completely get it. You want to just go off on people and say, “Did you even bother to read past sentence one?”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jhXrgyHYyz33DLK8XcYI_uycIzrc6YRQnVZx2PZMUlcRhq6yUjNidrEPP480aNysPkLpKVSShFAI04uGyD8nt_1sfHs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=883.36'>14:43</a>):</p>
<p>You're just</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aUVsp8bU_Hw2FaObXOnATiybmyDVNHPzdF6U77AQlwX-dWpjjrMB2zoIYxLrQ4HmNQGdKhFi1kfdtFHPS21VFzb3Ru8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=884.38'>14:44</a>):</p>
<p>Throwing up here like, Hey, let me sell you this. I don't want that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mjoP50vdliIwARTr33I_0jPB26hg1QCskzCInd2GQRIsQysN2yTsutbuvmVcU106Ix7I8XeYOIyZV1CuodukPBuCxqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.07'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>No. And the worst is when you go on trust. I think this happened moreso on Twitter back in the day. Alright, right, I'll follow you. And you'd immediately get the DM, go buy my thing. I'm like, alright, goodbye - block.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/knUviuuuzbGkLmBBbN2Yi5fmD8nRTRsycrAOChYOlQyIr5WEhthJvZCKMQXrFyxi53cTglGI4iFPaHarOkZXftTt84M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=903.14'>15:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so again, be respectful, be kind, be judicious. And we really do have to be more thoughtful, more intentional in crafting those strategies for clients and make sure that they understand that PR does not solve every problem in the world. Make sure that you're attacking and setting expectations appropriately about what you can do and what you can't do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zkIQuVFExN-njnfkgeWHGZFJ6_R5HTYlFEcIA9LsBC0cqc-K5xy63-32MnvVB27z0uRsZkeXAv4peDqezw-TSNTR5MA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=937.01'>15:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Very true. And I have to give a little demographic shout out to Generation X actually got mentioned in the MuckRack executive summary that journalists are looking are targeting both millennials and Gen X. They're their most commonly reported target audiences. I know it's sad, but it's just nice to be remembered. Everyone seems to between you at the Silent Generation and Gen X. It's like, “Hi, we're right here.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sykmexWuxxRVd6WAaYAbFmRLjj_4YNBvHUP8W6DZvNULCm2rVL7iUvLMZJqNnhLc-W-vLKTR2y9Cw4a5qupJmiI3iDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=969.77'>16:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I don't even know what to say. It is nice to be remembered because people really seem to forget that we exist. And the really sad part is people have misconceptions and they target generations, which I think can maybe be a mistake because characteristics that are not confined to generations,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0RknXOTjKvKoQY3AsnNG_v04GlnIlJ5EMKTDyfwhccaPRqbyXl7RNeauH4yR97vXq7oemInGGEwzaXNpobJKCd1Zmm4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=995.33'>16:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'll never forget it was a conference or something and one of the keynote prisoners was, I guess the Millennial Mom was the target persona of the season and all the things they were ticking off that she wants. And I just said to my friend, I said, well, Gen X wants that too. We just don't talk about it all the time. We're over here in the corner with our Billy Idol scowl just getting it done.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b4ebsmiO8PXHaxQzeVCMmm45_AotDfAxGWFQO02cs1bI1shTCgeto9Rv198wjW9jTfrdvoCM2-qGmorAr6tsdy-X5l8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.27'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>That's something that maybe communication professionals can help open the eyes and eliminate the way that sometimes you're targeting people that are tech savvy. That's not limited to an age group.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QJZrXrWMwhZZygKHF_NFMbiZ_xMsNag1raOOKRbp4Qrv76-d5c93FQ6EEGMNS1KYizdPAbFw9cA_iODQY09i7HH3css?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1036.97'>17:16</a>):</p>
<p>Goodness no. No, it's not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KPqfBv75dvMQTWkYrN5mhasTcioq98eXuFGF5WUYS0s-Dv1T6BHzgnNW5smwCONYX0o59rYQoR0ra8D9CAnRlLjvkVc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1039.7'>17:19</a>):</p>
<p>There are people that share those characteristics and I don't know, we seasoned solos maybe can show them what's up because we're out here showing out and living our very best professional lives and the kids cannot keep up.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4yNJ3PTIHUI77uwDCV6nPLwTBq_m6WdkeL3xLT9ufw-ke3lhyNg5_mqnpYlZDXDR_5fEyb5CY6kcqFi_nCZ32IwM3eU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1059.11'>17:39</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Well, you know what? Right there, I mean, there's a hook. Why are personas always attached to age and station in life?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AMhe7JDXiPkj9Yob8ieWXsfvKcOKefVCVUikbh6G4MmBrr4V8tRMd4xz0Aiwh928iOesgoDzrqsQOVPiZiqH76n8wG0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1070.52'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>We need to change that. Life is changing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TyyygvTgke9vuQq1bs9TJpUuhst6AG7NR-moj3G0v4eoCHXREGQQ_Oi8tFvsE24TGC4IJwXollQK3MVcXQXlKbdbLI4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1073.64'>17:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Just because I tick a certain bunch of numbers on your form doesn't mean that my experience matches everyone within that space.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0LjAw2iRZTRW9Ch_RZBGVeyvFPASf5yFBKl75kBbw-WbBCgfO1YO7expQ8kXWOEHrTvglSmJ3wp6_6NyuSCqDaM4XQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1087.02'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Love it, love it. Love that thought. Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w80JhT1y9BKlq35RfQqIN2y_oxkIPT3nD774P6kdSa-PPd7vfNBCnfUHL-472YtHmsKIVbA2a5EkGuBnhr3jPzTY594?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1091.46'>18:11</a>):</p>
<p>I need a nap now. That was a lot.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media landscape is constantly changing, making it harder on journalists. Naturally this affects how PR pros do our jobs. In this episode we talk all about it, including some points from recent survey results from Cision and MuckRack.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gU6rvD0ur-ojV_rwvGB-crAwBKQ52yCX8xWckJO_jygcszjaDeHutHbDA9szvDc55qu5I3HcoUVnLbkB-8h7yLElD4g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=3.03'>00:03</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another episode. Here we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/95fVYVZDvvMp4IeBUg-rraOV0ceT2SJYiLUuqPIc4Ec7ZzZ6y0bUeEi5BH69kBrs6PaGYqbzIQ-xvIkRaDpzCK874pI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.85'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hello Michelle. We are here. We are steady eddies. What's the female version of that? Is it steady? I don't know.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gLRM-KP2hf3JiIVnT_ZmEdTWAX-A4azPgIngoe5E2rpRdgPrfQfRzbTe_67l5A481i9MB_yd-E_0MhqHHW0_kAoZZuo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=35.37'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm sure we can think of something</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PZigFokdirgAqeMYVyq-5xjeJ4zTvI4t1Qdf9OYvC3bAOY5V9kUKAS_PCMEXhS2RM-R12SxNhh1I5RFvc1KpMg6B6ho?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.65'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>For sure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/va0QR44mwOGVdV8L_-77Dd6mGu1_-LMzyHoqA6DO7X7toK7OrRYjWv29qim5WuCXfJxFgv3fsvzVFWybVny-y461YBk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39.72'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>We're creative like that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZZQ7M14MpDqTU04BQ_fFhyyihbnAfZ4L67k-SL8d6ZZZjnTnguKkvQJDghpuHpZrzDCZkA3ZXmNwRgI6VQlZJetpnbQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=41.22'>00:41</a>):</p>
<p>I'm so happy to be here. The older you get, the more you celebrate every single day that you are waking up and jumping out of bed.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ivsFqfoopknliD-XbfpSLyCevIz8DCW5f6ZAXii6Ttgh7vQIh3gy0aFZ6WAZ1gEBGOiZ8g6dzLm-xP8Ry-_qiYraFJo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=52.77'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>That's a good motivator. I will say it's true. It is true. I'm going to totally bobble this point because I forget the meme. It was something, oh, I think it was a Marcus Aurelius quote actually. Something about something to look forward to each day - for an ancient dude, he has some timely advice and I thought, yeah, I think I shared it with my thought of, yeah. “Okay. I'll tell myself this on Monday morning.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6qn0lSDaE7f6ogHc7BnSpl7hH8I2ORvsFLvJsyQ-SNoVl0GlC-bIsvnSdw83qilzAqFCsYffrsTUfwmYv1uvpQFIvWE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=79.6'>01:19</a>):</p>
<p>We're live, we're here and we're doing something that we love. We love this podcast. We love getting together and chatting. That's true. And just inviting a few of our friends to listen in with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hIjzvy7YB8WL3SwnqatKwNltSJ_ffXbLdwCb9zTTjVdGJfRjnk1McAsN8cT7KasxfJjeft13F6NJcxExVIXbkiNR3v4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=92.4'>01:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. So we hope you are ready Today we are spurred on by a couple of reports from Cision and MuckRack talking about the state of journalism today, which as we all know, if you're listening, you may have already made a face, but hopefully we're just going to talk about this a little bit and try and bring out some of the brighter points to keep our tools sharpened.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VwpiOqXLZi-9hMy2OB05Jm56LQsqfsYFQZVLZpVexycx8PazkwrFVdVBr8QMGnxByrxtMb5HtpXmNF2bjh0daiG7Q2Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=122.13'>02:02</a>):</p>
<p>And I think as both of these reports mentioned, the more that we understand the challenges that journalists are facing, the more that we understand how to be problem solvers for them because obviously for communications professionals, journalists are definitely one of our audiences. And so it's important to learn how we can be more collaborative and more helpful. And there are a couple points that really stood out for me that are troubling.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FT778iyEGLy75F4sMmCUuI2kal-yn7v1K-g7zqOMcV9oMAZDmjQ-byY-MfKQAdx7s2PG24sbnGdVfm7dseCqT790EGw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=152.91'>02:32</a>):</p>
<p>All right. We'll do the bad news first. Hit me with the first point.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fAX6jP9wg4cmI5VcqgTnWGufxE8GTOZWTjtl0HXW05_j-bxKywqVALh_K_Rik-vtN792rb_HjS9TjWCE4HmAm654Acs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=157.86'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>So the bad news is these studies show that there is less trust in CEOs as credible sources.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zqZIc0mNZZw7Md6Z58nHmNffcuEFcXIupC1uIO_9UHKgiwiipNHAYW6Jcd2LrQB8rca4HCPAi0Q6AoOKEHc-B6pFNbk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=170.28'>02:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that one stood out for me as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ex_KOUj3UW2TR2SDnuyrgHZ9u8uNz0ZDxMfcDd9VCEKCdpZBXZLqwQM15iWwWnR-NNemJRFn2yHgmEOruOJ5vrEy9R8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=173.37'>02:53</a>):</p>
<p>And aligned with that, this makes sense that one of the biggest challenges for that, journalists said, that they've experienced in the last 12 months, and this is from I think the Cision study, is that their challenge is maintaining credibility as a trusted news source. So you have them battling against misinformation, this label of fake news, combating those accusations and maintaining credibility and then not trusting that we are helping with that at all. So concerning,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VG2l6TpH0-LX1i8Ky0EY35NW8cr4ozmsmCRR0Eeu5cEV43UyTz2le1WoqHscONwoz8m4jgheUsDXMNuNz21GSqjn-T0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=217.99'>03:37</a>):</p>
<p>And I could totally see why. I mean, there are the nefarious sorts out there who are all too happy to use credible news organizations to spread their misinformation and disinformation. And that's not to say that journalists don't fact check. Of course they do. But yeah, it's a really tenuous spot, which puts us the PR pros in a really difficult situation because,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Yoqq27JYl26-GBRnHNWw02wzznD2uGz75MSq3NXsl2EGnCNH_rh1GEJug_66h8dAqNPEqxemhgVLFD1H2E_0au1P9T8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=244.36'>04:04</a>):</p>
<p>And I hate to say this because I know that the majority of our audience, there are some that are coming up in the profession and emerging. The majority of our audience knows this, but I think it's always good to remind ourselves too, because in the heat of the moment when we deal with a lot of things that journalists do not realize, there is pressure from clients, there are the demands that they don't see. There are the requests that we push back on. There are things that we educate about, but I think that it is critical today to educate our clients thoroughly about the role that the media actually does play. The media is not part of your marketing team, and unfortunately, if you don't have something that can advance a story forward, that adds value, that presents something that the reporters' readers will be interested in hearing, you're going to have a harder time getting coverage in credible publications. So to be credible, don't see this as an opportunity to push forward the name of your company.</p>
<p>I understand the struggle is real and I have beautiful clients, wonderful clients as we all do, but we all know that sometimes it's really hard for companies to get out of their own way. You ask them a question and they immediately default to company speak and the company line, and it's hard to say, “No one cares. Talk to me about beyond your company. Talk to me about the issues that others in your industry are facing. Talk to me about the challenges your clients are facing. Give us a point of view of that. Give us some instruction, help us the way forward.” It is hard, but we've got to do the hard work because, and especially in the season, we are now in an election season and we all know the battle for what is that</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qq3RaYumUWLDPbKWsBR6U0ODOLYIIWlNqxj4ZtzfPFRqHv0XX7UpVy925hoOgpAhnM3sd4o0nEXL1lWDZzBDbn0P4HE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=385.73'>06:25</a>):</p>
<p>Bandwidth.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0jYkPdDXe9H51UZ1skZ9hzpdz1EpyCVpExDub1TwZ67esRugxkoqEpPrNrmzyJcJ5hxOAmJkFcOxXi0zD64FNF3A4sM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=388.22'>06:28</a>):</p>
<p>The battle for the bandwidth of reporters is going to shrink, but also in the season more than ever, we've got to be part of the fight disinformation solution. So we've got to help news organizations to truly be valued again and to be seen as credible. And we can be a part of that by offering up valuable, credible information. It's rough out there,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Dov0jKtVfZmouOzxU0AaElnr56NXMgrTeyzaKwY6Ints3yf-pzug_tX7DxseTNAUcuqgfzWf1vJ0u8hxt_f02qp3f14?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=420.77'>07:00</a>):</p>
<p>But one of the tools or the brighter notions of these surveys, this is from MuckRack, is one way that our clients can help that cause. And rather than just casually think, oh, the media is just here to be my mouthpiece, they said journalists as a whole plan to spend more time on YouTube, LinkedIn, and even TikTok. So as we've often said, every company has the potential to be their own media company by putting out your own information on your own owned channels, while journalists are planning on spending more time there probably to learn more about you, maybe to vet you. So keep that in mind as a means of presenting, supporting evidence or more deeper information as they consider whether to cover your story.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VoCXFqqMJy4W5NQ1sqSEZr7_q8v8nSSXSXqHl6-UATDRGtNuJT3GpOIgUQbdlAEmtE2zXp0Dou7BrJNes-RCLxw8kfQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=479.99'>07:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I mean the MuckRack survey, I love this because I feel like journalists, they can sometimes not be fair to us in the way that they view us, but they also get us, I consider them part of our people. And this was really cool. When asked about their optimism about their profession, 58% said that yes, they were optimistic about the journalism profession. That's more than half, so that's good. 42% were not, but that's okay. Things will improve and understand that they're impacted by the same things that are impacting everyone else. They're seeing shrinking ad revenues, which means shrinking resources for them, more pressure with less resources, less job certainty. Many are switching jobs, many are trying to find other ways that they can make a living at doing the thing that they love doing. So it's rough out there.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SQyhdz6FrtauxvL25s3_6zvU3IvyP-kkOPw92auurbmK3itRdpu6IqKxUxpN6X5KCLTloUlB6hj0DhVLbkUuUAnV9mU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=545.61'>09:05</a>):</p>
<p>It really is. It really is. The more that the digital and print advertising landscape changes, the harder it is for all of us as a result. Really, even those of us in the communications field, those of us who do that kind of work with media buying, you're like, okay, I might be making this decision away from a print piece, but that means I am creating my own trouble.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gUW1SSGjb1AoemHCDjvGyIfwcq1FTLDCTC1lzdBUnk4-BsB7Ktj4WHLnj7-5XPx8FMu9GG9EUdUMyH90v7nz4NOYgr8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=569.86'>09:29</a>):</p>
<p>And I know, just to give you guys some positive ways that you can sort of combat this, clients are going to be clients. Make sure that you are setting a tone consistently, because unfortunately you say things in the beginning and it flies out of people's heads. So you have to consistently set a tone that public relations is not confined to media relations. And so we also have to look for more robust ways to tell stories to connect with our audiences. We have to be innovators and not just rule followers. We should be creating new paths forward when it makes sense to work with the media, help them by having publishable content that is a game changer. When you have good meaty publishable content, don't limit the things that you pitch to just your client's point of view. Reach into their client base, reach out to adjacent experts and enrich a story with credible sources.</p>
<p>If you have a healthcare client and you're talking about an issue, grab a medical expert and get a publishable quote from that expert to really provide more meat to that journalist and to help them not to have to hunt down other sources. Again, it's all about credibility and quality information that's going to speak volumes. Do provide them with rich sources from your own experts. So rather than just provide a quote, I interview all of our internal experts, and I have always, for years, used Otter AI to record and transcribe those calls, provide a transcript of the questions that you ask the experts so that because the journalists may find other nuggets within there, don't be afraid to give them, feed them a lot of things that can really help them to do their jobs. And again, in this season, it's about being creative. Maybe you add in an audiogram in addition to the things that you're sending. We love audiograms as podcast.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/d4ZIhIiwo3BPsl-KFCXvIfjTidJRL_TIkJVU9D81-gJGbwQ9m1B2eapaYz689OvBvoL2_PMP7OOfq0cfwIGPArmMnUQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=709.6'>11:49</a>):</p>
<p>We do. It all comes down to what are you trying to do as what are your clients trying to do? Right? They're trying to present themselves as the solution to their target audience's problems. So rather than just blasting, here's our new thing, okay, well why does that matter? What pain points is that going to resolve? And this is true for PR and marketing. How are you going to enrich or better someone's existence, whether that's making their business more money, making their lives easier, solving a major issue in society, how are you contributing? And like Karen, like you just said, adding all those different layers, plus that helps the journalist. I mean, having something that well-formed in story form. If I'm a journalist and I'm just presented with a few pitch points, okay, now you do it, or something that's crafted and really nearly ready to go in today's landscape, which are you going to be more inclined to go for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qi3V1tyvRLWvJHFYVjb7Uph15IyQcU-wSHGjBKFQZsvJGcRQi2-k1nNILI0oh7r8yD0L0bFz6kuCGuZzetiae-8Pe9I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=773.41'>12:53</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And don't be afraid to help on things that have nothing to do with you.</p>
<p>You can help a journalist out and say, Hey, I saw that you were working on a story. I know somebody that can be of help. And it doesn't have to be a client. Jump in to help on things. Check in with the journalists that you work with often and ask what are they working on? Can you be of help? Can you be of assistance? And most importantly, let's all just always be respectful that we're all under the same pressures. Life is weird for every single one of us. Journalists are human beings who are also going through the same challenges as the rest of the world. So be kind and make the most of their time. Their inboxes are overflowing too. As someone who gets pitched a lot, I have a heightened sensitivity how annoying it is to just have your inbox clogged up by things because people had an agenda that had nothing to do with you. It's annoying and having it hit you in your email, in your social media inboxes and having to go to all these places and read through a bunch of garbage can really make you not a nice person. It's funny because Kami and Misa did a newsletter this week and she talked about showing up in people's DMs and how she, who someone did that to her on LinkedIn, and she is the sweetest, but I was laughing. I completely get it. You want to just go off on people and say, “Did you even bother to read past sentence one?”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jhXrgyHYyz33DLK8XcYI_uycIzrc6YRQnVZx2PZMUlcRhq6yUjNidrEPP480aNysPkLpKVSShFAI04uGyD8nt_1sfHs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=883.36'>14:43</a>):</p>
<p>You're just</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aUVsp8bU_Hw2FaObXOnATiybmyDVNHPzdF6U77AQlwX-dWpjjrMB2zoIYxLrQ4HmNQGdKhFi1kfdtFHPS21VFzb3Ru8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=884.38'>14:44</a>):</p>
<p>Throwing up here like, Hey, let me sell you this. I don't want that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mjoP50vdliIwARTr33I_0jPB26hg1QCskzCInd2GQRIsQysN2yTsutbuvmVcU106Ix7I8XeYOIyZV1CuodukPBuCxqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.07'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>No. And the worst is when you go on trust. I think this happened moreso on Twitter back in the day. Alright, right, I'll follow you. And you'd immediately get the DM, go buy my thing. I'm like, alright, goodbye - block.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/knUviuuuzbGkLmBBbN2Yi5fmD8nRTRsycrAOChYOlQyIr5WEhthJvZCKMQXrFyxi53cTglGI4iFPaHarOkZXftTt84M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=903.14'>15:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so again, be respectful, be kind, be judicious. And we really do have to be more thoughtful, more intentional in crafting those strategies for clients and make sure that they understand that PR does not solve every problem in the world. Make sure that you're attacking and setting expectations appropriately about what you can do and what you can't do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zkIQuVFExN-njnfkgeWHGZFJ6_R5HTYlFEcIA9LsBC0cqc-K5xy63-32MnvVB27z0uRsZkeXAv4peDqezw-TSNTR5MA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=937.01'>15:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Very true. And I have to give a little demographic shout out to Generation X actually got mentioned in the MuckRack executive summary that journalists are looking are targeting both millennials and Gen X. They're their most commonly reported target audiences. I know it's sad, but it's just nice to be remembered. Everyone seems to between you at the Silent Generation and Gen X. It's like, “Hi, we're right here.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sykmexWuxxRVd6WAaYAbFmRLjj_4YNBvHUP8W6DZvNULCm2rVL7iUvLMZJqNnhLc-W-vLKTR2y9Cw4a5qupJmiI3iDs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=969.77'>16:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I don't even know what to say. It is nice to be remembered because people really seem to forget that we exist. And the really sad part is people have misconceptions and they target generations, which I think can maybe be a mistake because characteristics that are not confined to generations,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0RknXOTjKvKoQY3AsnNG_v04GlnIlJ5EMKTDyfwhccaPRqbyXl7RNeauH4yR97vXq7oemInGGEwzaXNpobJKCd1Zmm4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=995.33'>16:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'll never forget it was a conference or something and one of the keynote prisoners was, I guess the Millennial Mom was the target persona of the season and all the things they were ticking off that she wants. And I just said to my friend, I said, well, Gen X wants that too. We just don't talk about it all the time. We're over here in the corner with our Billy Idol scowl just getting it done.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/b4ebsmiO8PXHaxQzeVCMmm45_AotDfAxGWFQO02cs1bI1shTCgeto9Rv198wjW9jTfrdvoCM2-qGmorAr6tsdy-X5l8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1022.27'>17:02</a>):</p>
<p>That's something that maybe communication professionals can help open the eyes and eliminate the way that sometimes you're targeting people that are tech savvy. That's not limited to an age group.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QJZrXrWMwhZZygKHF_NFMbiZ_xMsNag1raOOKRbp4Qrv76-d5c93FQ6EEGMNS1KYizdPAbFw9cA_iODQY09i7HH3css?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1036.97'>17:16</a>):</p>
<p>Goodness no. No, it's not.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KPqfBv75dvMQTWkYrN5mhasTcioq98eXuFGF5WUYS0s-Dv1T6BHzgnNW5smwCONYX0o59rYQoR0ra8D9CAnRlLjvkVc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1039.7'>17:19</a>):</p>
<p>There are people that share those characteristics and I don't know, we seasoned solos maybe can show them what's up because we're out here showing out and living our very best professional lives and the kids cannot keep up.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4yNJ3PTIHUI77uwDCV6nPLwTBq_m6WdkeL3xLT9ufw-ke3lhyNg5_mqnpYlZDXDR_5fEyb5CY6kcqFi_nCZ32IwM3eU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1059.11'>17:39</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Well, you know what? Right there, I mean, there's a hook. Why are personas always attached to age and station in life?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AMhe7JDXiPkj9Yob8ieWXsfvKcOKefVCVUikbh6G4MmBrr4V8tRMd4xz0Aiwh928iOesgoDzrqsQOVPiZiqH76n8wG0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1070.52'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>We need to change that. Life is changing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TyyygvTgke9vuQq1bs9TJpUuhst6AG7NR-moj3G0v4eoCHXREGQQ_Oi8tFvsE24TGC4IJwXollQK3MVcXQXlKbdbLI4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1073.64'>17:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Just because I tick a certain bunch of numbers on your form doesn't mean that my experience matches everyone within that space.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0LjAw2iRZTRW9Ch_RZBGVeyvFPASf5yFBKl75kBbw-WbBCgfO1YO7expQ8kXWOEHrTvglSmJ3wp6_6NyuSCqDaM4XQA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1087.02'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Love it, love it. Love that thought. Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/w80JhT1y9BKlq35RfQqIN2y_oxkIPT3nD774P6kdSa-PPd7vfNBCnfUHL-472YtHmsKIVbA2a5EkGuBnhr3jPzTY594?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1091.46'>18:11</a>):</p>
<p>I need a nap now. That was a lot.</p>
<p>Well, we hope that this has been a valuable time for you. It's always good to check in just to see what the landscape is out there with our friends on the journalism side, and always to be considerate of how we do our jobs in the way that we help our clients, but also that we help this ecosystem of journalism that we of course depend on to help us all thrive.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:03):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. It's another episode. Here we are.
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
Hello Michelle. We are here. We are steady eddies. What's the female version of that? Is it steady? I don't know.
Michelle Kane (00:35):
I'm sure we can think of something
Karen Swim, APR (00:37):
For sure.
Michelle Kane (00:39):
We're creative like that.
Karen Swim, APR (00:41):
I'm so happy to be here. The older you get, the more you celebrate every single day that you are waking up and jumping out of bed.
Michelle Kane (00:52):
That's a good motivator. I will say it's true. It is true. I'm going to totally bobble this point because I forget the meme. It was something, oh, I think it was a Marcus Aurelius quote actually. Something about something to look forward to each day - for an ancient dude, he has some timely advice and I thought, yeah, I think I shared it with my thought of, yeah. “Okay. I'll tell myself this on Monday morning.”
Karen Swim, APR (01:19):
We're live, we're here and we're doing something that we love. We love this podcast. We love getting together and chatting. That's true. And just inviting a few of our friends to listen in with us.
Michelle Kane (01:32):
Yes. So we hope you are ready Today we are spurred on by a couple of reports from Cision and MuckRack talking about the state of journalism today, which as we all know, if you're listening, you may have already made a face, but hopefully we're just going to talk about this a little bit and try and bring out some of the brighter points to keep our tools sharpened.
Karen Swim, APR (02:02):
And I think as both of these reports mentioned, the more that we understand the challenges that journalists are facing, the more that we understand how to be problem solvers for them because obviously for communications professionals, journalists are definitely one of our audiences. And so it's important to learn how we can be more collaborative and more helpful. And there are a couple points that really stood out for me that are troubling.
Michelle Kane (02:32):
All right. We'll do the bad news first. Hit me with the first point.
Karen Swim, APR (02:37):
So the bad news is these studies show that there is less trust in CEOs as credible sources.
Michelle Kane (02:50):
Yeah, that one stood out for me as well.
Karen Swim, APR (02:53):
And aligned with that, this makes sense that one of the biggest challenges for that, journalists said, that they've experienced in the last 12 months, and this is from I think the Cision study, is that their challenge is maintaining credibility as a trusted news source. So you have them battling against misinformation, this label of fake news, combating those accusations and maintaining credibility and then not trusting that we are helping with that at all. So concerning,
Michelle Kane (03:37):
And I could totally see why. I mean, there are the nefarious sorts out there who are all too happy to use credible news organizations to spread their misinformation and disinformation. And that's not to say that journalists don't fact check. Of course they do. But yeah, it's a really tenuous spot, which puts us the PR pros in a really difficult situation because,
Karen Swim, APR (04:04):
And I hate to say this because I know that the majority of our audience, there are some that are coming up in the profession and emerging. The majority of our audience knows this, but I think it's always good to remind ourselves too, because in the heat of the moment when we deal with a lot o]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>If you’re thinking of diversifying your PR practice or pivoting away from day-to-day client work, this episode is for you.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0DbETFCKZ1hZ4SeI-p7Vb_cdLVyasEXZsD-RMzDCybBWOgK3rFqzaQCp9e6J83_Bp6ld8iaF2Nfwsvp3623CDcJSM4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. How are you doing this week?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IWmlwtK9iuw5XYkd-ShAeAxhTEM9QGZce8YyA_YtU62jYk-6Cqaa5lyConVdgIIh78rujTtCzcIQ8fPrgYJeJRGn9nM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.65'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_WvmRifn-GdfwYhl2XOZt0r3CCnhEyBdR3dlnlos3-GBKkZKPz9fqJYQZyDyEljcIExr89KTCGp0KuIQ1W86GlXPfvU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.17'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing pretty well. Yes, yes. As this episode airs, we're hitting that mid-August stride, which means change for so many. For some of us it means “Leave me alone. I am still having summer.” But for others it means going back to college, getting ready to go back to school, or just getting ready to go enter another rhythm of life. But that sort of speaks to what we're going to talk about today, where our topic is the PR migration, and just things that we're seeing amongst our colleagues and in PR in general. You know, many people are pivoting away from PR or just starting to dabble in other fields, like education or maybe even something completely different. So we thought, hey, let's talk about this and see what we might be able to encourage our listeners.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjKl7t8oXqNLJSuG2KL1Wf-Sqs5kenMIdLxODSTRJzJDPbCZy1Hw-1ed6FpCv9BPsixnnJ7UCfu3J5xxbmvJe-CUpCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.23'>01:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Isn't it interesting, I'm seeing, I get a lot of the emails now from PR people that are selling services to PR people rather than doing PR. So I'm not sure what's behind the number of PR people that are still in the prime of their working years, still have lots of road ahead of them that are like, let me pivot over to something else. If it's just a genuine shift that we're seeing, because maybe it's been driven by the climate that we're in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sVYezFDK2tbqlzrdwv7tZm6yIHo664FWXG12WyMQYtR0ywlvxiq4YpLgSEDcICATaXiqUs0PHnwXkPUC8WcQOI7BA60?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.33'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>It could be. And you know, it could be just a certain number of people are just feeling that need to shift. I know sometimes even within a job, right? Every few years or so, you just need a little something new, a little different challenge to keep life interesting for yourself. And I wonder how many of our listeners are having those moments of kind of putting their head up and going, huh, what else could I be doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V13s-go1CNENDJgVqEYfToWXQYG1Y47Nkf_pFWRbHbsaHx2VWVixZskmGxmenu-qUdAS4JKnRPaUI1zdmEcp_6MHrAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.65'>02:34</a>):</p>
<p>That's such a great point. You're right that in a traditional job, you don't typically do the exact same job for year after year after year after year, your responsibilities shift, you get a different role, you change companies, something changes to keep you on your toes and refreshed. And so it could be that, although I have to say that given some of the challenges that we face today, I can certainly understand those people that are leading the profession because it's just become really difficult to succeed. You know, &lt;laugh&gt; great example, Forbes now has a policy, it does not, you know, there's different brands of Forbes, but Forbes has this policy now that if they put out a query, they do not want anyone except for the expert to respond. They will not take pitches from PR people, and they call out PR people specifically.</p>
<p>So they say, “PR people: do not pitch us, but ask your source to contact us directly per Forbes policy.” So that's an interesting shift, and yeah, one I hope doesn't spread to other outlets. I also almost think “Sure, good luck with that,” because journalists take for granted the amount of value that we truly do bring to that relationship. And some of what we control and avoid to make sure that they get the very best piece of information possible and that they, that communications are streamlined. I think that they are seeing us maybe as an annoyance, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Iaqf-v3UaYJ1RBPcGvyHUn4DVZUFJ3U27h5YPpxVA0fzG2PhaCK5OcSIdiPAu1-f9EbPKdbU6lADoOLL1WfzHITVwuY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.89'>04:20</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, ok Forbes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tpRalxi5dWw6B-lmgDPpTK_7a_86vqw06LX45ZaJpaKF_7H0c8DwKIM_CqtYXYVbutpljUXDF-DPoeeQ0XbJf9tnIxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.69'>04:22</a>):</p>
<p>…we know the back story on a lot of these things. So &lt;laugh&gt; Yeah. I mean, I could particularly see people poking their head up and going, okay, what else is out there? So I'm seeing people do things like sell everything from business development for PR people. So there are PR salespeople who want to sell you on how to sell clients on your behalf or things like tools that we use, from databases to pitch tools to all kinds of things that we utilize. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot more of that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HiOIST2rQxhbOH1Y9Esfab-7rbrUtkRV7VRINeSrksXIBXjX_BgJEipISFiDANuoFqVvWD1ob8ebZDCPlceYUoDD8no?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.31'>05:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And can we just do a shout out to some of those companies solo PR pros are not really into buying at the enterprise level? We are solo shops. Yes, we would love to be your customer, but there's usually maybe 1, 2, 3, maybe five of us. So just think if you get 10 solos to buy your product at a decent price point, oh, there's your enterprise. Anyway. Ok, rant off &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EulHG99I12XjjTK2DvlAoWrxgUDXij1adWWpVT6QASDabogYvBqOhEfOMkCK50S_vlwoOqjrdsF5y-HH4lY4QODFz3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.93'>05:28</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. We could do an entire episode on the PR industry and the tools market. And, at the PR industry in general, it's very unfortunate that in so many instances, everything is directed to large agencies or in-house PR people. We just get overlooked quite a bit and that's very sad because we do the same job. And we deliver value just like everyone else. And a lot of times referring those very big companies, which gives us the power to make referrals and to make recommendations. So Yeah. That's too bad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fe8a20jmqkoZwgtarymYweGWX15RqVfD28inUFnW4CGZh_HUmGpnDDt1Qs-PpAXovgxOKWqB8jHrorvlAVu9ovX9Plo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.69'>06:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think maybe a lot of these pivots, like you said, has a lot to do with the way that pure PR has changed for many years now. It's grown to be an integrated process. So, if you're a PR pro who just really isn't interested in learning about digital marketing or any of the integrated pieces, then yeah. It definitely would be a season to say, “Hmm, you know, what, where can I transfer these skills? How can I do that? Is it time to do some teaching?” Is it time to, I don't know. I mean, we know a couple of our, our colleagues…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/N-A9ZxGA_oJHbqwKtfozLhiUAbJk5dP4D7qCv8jv8Nmfrlcnb9eF_RfUO_zx2v39YVrOv1g8CP11R5EuDPazHlQ3PcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=413.51'>06:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we have people that are writing books, that are doing courses that are becoming coaches for PR people. Becoming consultants in some other way or, you know, going over to the media side and becoming journalists in an area of specialty. We even have a couple of solo pros that are running for office, which is really cool. So I mean, I think the great thing about communications is that it's such a fantastic skillset that really allows you to leverage that in any other position that you would choose to create for yourself, or if you're choosing to go and work a traditional job, there's so many skill sets, you know, our crisis management skills, our strategic skills, our storytelling ability. I mean, there are just so many things that we do that are so important across the board. And so I feel like in terms of our careers, we have a lot of options that are open to us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m5ejDpkB3aDLwDy05MIfvvUlDl7rceHwBFV5kP4qGR1cJUIo5gVedCixVQVOfugEN0UzQ8kQKTcDMNCoEa9OCW6TTSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=475.98'>07:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I even think, and of course this partly falls under the PR umbrella, but I was thinking this morning of a situation I'm dealing with of even in the nonprofit world of dealing with sponsors, you know, how certain things that you might say yes to, how that can color your perception to others and just ways to make your systems better, your thought processes better. These are all of the bases that we cover in PR, whether it's an outright deliverable to our clients. But I mean, come on. It's who we are. We're always doing it anyway. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/stW-keem4XMkxML6CwineuLBMNthFZI3VsLIu7fzow1m8f9kLRB_gzKhvGYGDvCFCpjJc69yGXM45CKcFn1UVt7gZrs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.02'>08:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f-a5DRQWU5c3YsD9mktvUB_6My-5aAooq6EejOiVTSWZNQPF6n7hwmdwbs9WzyUVpWL-ZceXeqdJyBE2c_3-Bfi2Zsc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.04'>08:40</a>):</p>
<p>Troubleshooting</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IBqYPCPVUoDWH8-aYwFNQzEHJnHik3MfEl2zsWXIzZQuXv7DSRyhYGpAUOSWNAytASs7L1umJLLJmdvh5O1iafyF968?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.03'>08:41</a>):</p>
<p>I'm trying to think of some of the more interesting pivots that I've seen outside of, you know, becoming a politician is definitely, but I guess, you know, really that feels adjacent in some ways as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PgFkuRiGQjR2k0P_SDXBHV6ylVxN8ZzaqOmdeKOr0SDtXh3U9aRfhAMLLl4PdAHquS9mgyTCq914SMCTuMbixMR0n0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.15'>08:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cxBCaAs-u7ZGjH7gl4Z-LGFj9Oj-jLCpVMOS1MD50IMHtwhQCjbCEmg1HDv7mMu5pHkEAbs4rcqcTNLCiuDATvZ97cc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.35'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>What would you do, Michelle?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F5TVP_k_dAGilR0u6qpR0ReWHd3p4HDZigTyfGhKXDvG1QSqTU2b0a0I1YDwqiOEH9GQU9zVEU03TDBeznBhACNjrw0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.09'>08:57</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, &lt;laugh&gt;. Oh my goodness. What, what do I want to be when I grow up? &lt;Laugh&gt;, I, I joke that I want to be a lady who lunches someday, who just does this stuff for fun. But that's a whole different, Michelle &lt;laugh&gt;, you know…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IwHUFjyVJoB81ZoQA1wX7fJ-ahZ8ciGs6_3tvarc3uOO6dRdxMu6ZUpnbgZomhq7QU0kXGQjkWMcmcKncxdiYVVf9jg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=555.27'>09:15</a>):</p>
<p>I think there are a lot of pros on any given day who would join you in that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-HZfnZyl_NhZoNCCUtirrPUN168NGKHH1YNBzQTm4Dj4qFMIk57HebTLUUO-lbL2KueC4sh39G-JOtOI-_8qIZflJ24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=560.48'>09:20</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. Yeah. That might be. But being realistic, you know, I don't know, maybe something in education, there's something in me that always pulls towards that world. Even counseling to a certain degree. These are all career choices that I dallied with. I knew for myself that I didn't quite have the temperament to do the whole full day in a classroom situation, you know, of that kind of teaching. Similarly, when I was younger, I shifted from being a psych major to duh, you're good at writing &lt;laugh&gt;. Partly because I knew I didn't have it in me at that time to be any kind of counselor &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jPhsMz_yS8u6gs9cfpsKTBJGAMTZGUt3yRKkFzYgzhLGXIh2XI7Pjo14eGI3XnSYLwJj6JmV711iLrJivhQrkefS-ew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.5'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And so many solo PR pros do teach. We have a lot of educators, some that have moved towards doing that more than PR for clients, which, you know, I just think that there's such a value to the education industry, but yeah, we have a lot of educators. I think that that's natural. I think that most PR pros really have that ability to teach.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BLxoC2hc1HvXHDF39B9IxKZlwARRXqWmamhVx4t7vmKOmProZwtg9bi1j0FL9_Gzq63Ibo4KPK_fMMC-xJ91ec37QqA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.55'>10:32</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFTIY6oyxLuq8qPfwYaiUaOKE1KmNndACtVpglRVTl-Z9XOu0h1SRR_7ll5nikxtRDPwzZpW5mSymnRj0UHZEBEPqzM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=633.78'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because we do quite a bit of education in our work, and so I think that that feels like a natural fit for so many people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5dQ-H8Tosi-Fy3Ieig4My19X-iElPJYnW8z8rH_-e5zSN8s-5yqlFN41cPUEQrSjKdJlsrqj4qmWEeuQusb0TMN3IRw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=639.72'>10:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. Well, how about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vkg2QbEc6F2YAPUUMRdur0mgUdX0eoN4AaMMybj3cbTNI8I5i-AV7sC_N6jmAKkp7xtOzlOWAw1faJbsZ4-sEMsEzfw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=641.4'>10:41</a>):</p>
<p>Outside of being something in the dog industry, I would love to do that, you know? You know, I have plans to open some kind of a cafe where owners can’t just dine with their dogs, but where it's like a combo doggy day camp / cafe where people can relax and meet friends, but their dogs can have a concierge and be taken care of.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/90peMUqxlAEDJ67gr86WCYcF64n1teIShDmIWct2IMLEtHZHi9htgh0PdtqqrwH8DnrQr8FPm3derEj6UgPLlWJBUm8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=667.62'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PBSpajiXDq5RffxCEDnooGDmzDH734xmNFtyOlZXN_p8v3Y2qj7F_UJSe2pymP5R9M4LdhSG1fJCcANG9lPjzsBYgkw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=672.48'>11:12</a>):</p>
<p>I'm working on courses and stuff too. I’d love to do more content creation and again, teaching sharing, right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ptCPNRXC3t9MRHxfwOnIF5TOg9Tm5wHy9wYVXT_0_sOQV0w8OfbIsPXiZfWD_Y_WT_7zddHlAPCAgMqv0j6YTorPyaQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.3'>11:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uiISWLgu9idkukTAhIfWigSggoOHQIpgpX-BlQC6UC2sYrAnr4uQjw3YAUbP3737cVxN4iJTw7AQAniHnf0XiQa10CM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.87'>11:21</a>):</p>
<p>Helping others with their careers.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VN7CqBjoTgFGIUEo4-py5K_u4Sld6hnD_qXFM5PFtk9_lpHZryzU18nj4vCcaSCm8d1UgJ-9rlPZkVcS1pPa2NABmU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.06'>11:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so true. So true. Sidebar about the dog combo thing. I once told my groomer, I said, “You know what, you need to open up a day spa &lt;laugh&gt;, so that when my dog's getting groomed, I get like a little mini facial.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dSTlIPP7RL08OdzSgXwhMpJQpDYbttUhZYAt7waaQbiZBk7-yGEgwi85WacqlfFAtYiHTaEOmU8_LVV_K_3RdK9VRtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=697.86'>11:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love that we would all have a day at the spa &lt;laugh&gt;, not just this guy.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7bpLmDTI7CGPV9hLK9xQ03ATOhEMKBWRYDQpI4ORtV3VPzUhQL_47pyLvzOO3XTGHD27PPJVl_rn17LGZ22g-BoEUzU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=702.36'>11:42</a>):</p>
<p>There's a lot written about the dog economy as they're calling it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B8gl-gy-yBYhJGsIEYjSnCcPJMKSg-Fz8kGBjGQNzP533M9-XYtGwEJjDOfKPJHRjN78OYB6fDa76LGwolqdbd7H2oQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=706.56'>11:46</a>):</p>
<p>Dog economy.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MuJA8cYAefVeGkE4mx1lPOh5winVByI99AzdxJJSddG9GuTIbT9uK0BmdGzNyhrkrhCteBXVR0jUdSalujRGnkcv72o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=708.12'>11:48</a>):</p>
<p>We're spending a lot on our fur babies, and more and more people are, you know, embracing it. Thank you, everyone who's doing that. Dogs are really, truly a part of our family. So yeah, there's big opportunities in that market.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AbO2ZLWoN9jKIy8qWBWfTp4Hx1fY06b8OifClwtPdrilJhUvi18R4EysO2mxRelQXo90etm9U-Q0llkh7cimw61Ffr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=723.79'>12:03</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Yeah, there's, I think that's the beautiful thing about what we do, because we don't come to our desks every day and move widgets from one page to the next. Our jobs are really creative. So that lends itself to transferring that whole mindset to everything you do, you know? Yes, it really does. So, the beautiful thing about doing this line of work is you may discover some hidden talents along the way that you never realized it. Let's say you're pitching a certain story about a certain company or their new initiative, or maybe it's a nonprofit. Just think how big your world gets. So if you're not thinking about a pivot now, start thinking in that way of, okay, you know, these people that I meet, it's not just, “All right, I'll do this thing, and then next…” Follow up with that person and learn more about what they do just because it interested you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xZlT8jvY9qJNImmTifJ6NkIdAXa7J0C9SFW18-s-7jRMT2M7A9DdBH3E0oo7uS7478X-V7OsJIgTau_72YxfrbFkUeA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.78'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And we certainly have it. We've even had people as guests on our shows - Major come to mind. She has a popcorn company. She still does PR, but she has a very successful popcorn company. By the way, she's got a new flavor out, so go check her out. So the sky is really the limit. If you have something else that you're interested in, by all means you can pursue it in addition to doing PR. And some of us pursue, you know, we have our own side gigs, because for me, I think of my side gig is something that I want to pivot to in retirement. And move away from the day-to-day client work and move over into doing something a little bit different. So yeah, there's lots of interesting examples out there, and I think that we should all be thinking about that. And with this economy, it's been a wake-up call for, I think for a lot of people that it's very helpful to have multiple revenue streams, and that's always been the case, but there are ways to achieve that. You can achieve that through investing, of course, but it doesn't hurt to have like a Plan B for yourself.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XP0-0lF-123RiGkJyB6XEQdW8laF5Q1U_TNXdnEFRZHPz3kI2xmE4ZPmcYlrN7s6oLVTQQjV1IUQoqA-s6Y0EopAimY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=862.75'>14:22</a>):</p>
<p>No, that's so true. It's interesting, just this last week, I have made myself be more conscious about doing more voiceover auditions just because, you know, it's to the point where the mechanisms are in place that it's not so arduous. Before I would have to print out the script and hook up my Yeti, and now it's like, oh, let me plug in my headphone here and bing bang, boom. And just say to myself, well, doh Michelle, you can do that in the first 15 minutes of your day. Now, did I do it today? No, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/39GphP5bde0ddzOswh-Jytqrmh_Wg4TcX7sE8hRoJA3Xf9yZD8k5BcNMH_R5p3K0HtBNjXQMTvUORp0vivFRlNKMVWs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=897.56'>14:57</a>):</p>
<p>I love that though, because that's okay. You're so perfect for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TL4CCVThLyViBoLBivcuFxMkMuDpAxPSzDkV4hyoat2Ovdu7rMtrg5-7bT6piD7i5X78byzwG7HcFN74I3oqUaJRe7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.8'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Aw, thanks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eBJAFTMX2xhvISZV-KugD5_0ynazI-qtZmgTa7wKHQ56ENVsxwblnkA6cQHPN4EB8EDj5Imfi8HCI403xd98zPINAB4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=902.24'>15:02</a>):</p>
<p>And you're right, there are so many different avenues and channels right now that are looking for that, so yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Dlb_sHmwFCmSIiVy5sLkwb4MikpXA8SLfWipz5Kh7kGU0Pf14etAaH08U8qGECUoDcFvBBAJySW54VHSVM-lC2qtCrc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.19'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G6MukBUmtycEWRs_4xSTNEkcG9lwEKadRXsZhF4Tfi5R1VFF6TfWOMG1-USsZM4U6iFfO76IaYyKkDwzwzu7pNFsY8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.4'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>That's so perfect. I love it. I love it. I'm so here for it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2qQ9bixM8LBu0GAw7tjawJDP7x2ngiKB9Nps11a3lv_aXcPVh7VOYAZ75qLpWWV_K3eR1EviEV5QitmQhd4Ua47HDH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.23'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, we'll see, we'll see. But I see too, I've seen some people, they're not PR pros per se, but they're in the comms business, just either niching down on what they do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3c2zr2cM0lBnzxv3al-PKgMkJzyAcxPu7Z3I064v4T11m1mfBiQAzc79jQyfXM90MGz5KaXBlHYzGAwk65HxxjGmleo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zQkdxs4ONdajL7RaTR0OtLt1jyuWmwOfQkPiLLQoo3IOccHmvBw26wtQlAkiBgVrVckM5b6vjEzehghIhBVSl94Mmng?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=927.23'>15:27</a>):</p>
<p>As opposed to being something for everyone, you know, they're deciding really, snd I think too, it's probably a combination of post pandemic, the economy, everything, just really determining this is what we do really well. We want to focus on this. And with that comes opportunity for collaboration to fill those gaps that it's, it's not to say, well, we only do this.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GmnBFBVOykqNgd77NkPRb9QcavPyegS6m7SsSSYuB1YI3H-6-4lu5zo14JE874it_199I7Kz7c01Zh-1OKtCOMIVG1s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=950.69'>15:50</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Well, Katie Boos, great example of that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SafpqoR7by5GwLZhorcc13Fhm6LNavILfnqiesQx3FTiirwgGcve1HjEaWQ-zWSHhF8Qx_Jh6el5x5VQgkAKQBuv5bE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=953.58'>15:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yes!</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kWXdYgDtLCxCtIiKNfjc2HFGowsBqvJhUEbFA-UQGt8hPxsZ2i_Ln0vaGrXPPRPylPvelPmiZ95FMHqEXE-CryiFL_4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=955.01'>15:55</a>):</p>
<p>She really found that she loved the thought leadership. And so she specializes in that. That's what she does. She doesn't do any of the other things anymore. She specializes in that. Helen Ne is someone that I met through lunch club. She's a PR pro, not in the us but in the UK. Yeah. She also made a pivot into thought leadership in a different way where she started out hosting these veil interviews with CEOs and enterprise leaders, and now she's turned that into a whole thing. So she has a studio, and that's all she does.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dMhPp3ZOiZyr2LA2Lcm3Fa9a6L1w1tt8sucBWFWsW3p_7T56fY3zg8rr94h8jIde0hErVy9ByElMAkWoNZZUQzmyk_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=986.81'>16:26</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PhBDLO1GSiSrB5ohOXFgp0Av3E-sgBFXj1pAtF8LgP5qaHS-H9DWmB8Pkk-PEjV7UgkPCjqDeNOSm8Irlm221ZuDs9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=988.16'>16:28</a>):</p>
<p>So, yeah. We should have Helen on the program one day too, to talk about it. Yeah, that would be great. She's a solo like our audience. So yeah, there's so many creative things that we can do, we have so many talents that we can use them in so many different ways.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8TFO_1SjslYvvBY_GNSXTkITeozR-ZPY22Yde8KAkK6b10k68VBLXuHVmjVitweAuINGX1d3zxlVPBJNLDlagaHUlOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1009.94'>16:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we do. We do. And I think it could be an, an instance of, okay, we've all been through a lot in these last several years, and it kind of feels like the vibe is, okay, let's stop and take a beat and take a breath and see, okay, where am I? And just check in with ourselves. And I think that's good to do periodically no matter what's happening. But I realize we're all coming out of some serious survival mode. But we just wanted to get you all thinking today. So if, hopefully this has inspired you, we say that every week because we always try to inspire you, but we really do want to hear from you. What would you want to do? If you could do anything in your next career pivot? Hit us up at soloprpro.com, share this around, talk about it with your friends. Until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you’re thinking of diversifying your PR practice or pivoting away from day-to-day client work, this episode is for you.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0DbETFCKZ1hZ4SeI-p7Vb_cdLVyasEXZsD-RMzDCybBWOgK3rFqzaQCp9e6J83_Bp6ld8iaF2Nfwsvp3623CDcJSM4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. How are you doing this week?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IWmlwtK9iuw5XYkd-ShAeAxhTEM9QGZce8YyA_YtU62jYk-6Cqaa5lyConVdgIIh78rujTtCzcIQ8fPrgYJeJRGn9nM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.65'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_WvmRifn-GdfwYhl2XOZt0r3CCnhEyBdR3dlnlos3-GBKkZKPz9fqJYQZyDyEljcIExr89KTCGp0KuIQ1W86GlXPfvU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.17'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing pretty well. Yes, yes. As this episode airs, we're hitting that mid-August stride, which means change for so many. For some of us it means “Leave me alone. I am still having summer.” But for others it means going back to college, getting ready to go back to school, or just getting ready to go enter another rhythm of life. But that sort of speaks to what we're going to talk about today, where our topic is the PR migration, and just things that we're seeing amongst our colleagues and in PR in general. You know, many people are pivoting away from PR or just starting to dabble in other fields, like education or maybe even something completely different. So we thought, hey, let's talk about this and see what we might be able to encourage our listeners.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sjKl7t8oXqNLJSuG2KL1Wf-Sqs5kenMIdLxODSTRJzJDPbCZy1Hw-1ed6FpCv9BPsixnnJ7UCfu3J5xxbmvJe-CUpCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=91.23'>01:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Isn't it interesting, I'm seeing, I get a lot of the emails now from PR people that are selling services to PR people rather than doing PR. So I'm not sure what's behind the number of PR people that are still in the prime of their working years, still have lots of road ahead of them that are like, let me pivot over to something else. If it's just a genuine shift that we're seeing, because maybe it's been driven by the climate that we're in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sVYezFDK2tbqlzrdwv7tZm6yIHo664FWXG12WyMQYtR0ywlvxiq4YpLgSEDcICATaXiqUs0PHnwXkPUC8WcQOI7BA60?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=123.33'>02:03</a>):</p>
<p>It could be. And you know, it could be just a certain number of people are just feeling that need to shift. I know sometimes even within a job, right? Every few years or so, you just need a little something new, a little different challenge to keep life interesting for yourself. And I wonder how many of our listeners are having those moments of kind of putting their head up and going, huh, what else could I be doing?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V13s-go1CNENDJgVqEYfToWXQYG1Y47Nkf_pFWRbHbsaHx2VWVixZskmGxmenu-qUdAS4JKnRPaUI1zdmEcp_6MHrAE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=154.65'>02:34</a>):</p>
<p>That's such a great point. You're right that in a traditional job, you don't typically do the exact same job for year after year after year after year, your responsibilities shift, you get a different role, you change companies, something changes to keep you on your toes and refreshed. And so it could be that, although I have to say that given some of the challenges that we face today, I can certainly understand those people that are leading the profession because it's just become really difficult to succeed. You know, &lt;laugh&gt; great example, Forbes now has a policy, it does not, you know, there's different brands of Forbes, but Forbes has this policy now that if they put out a query, they do not want anyone except for the expert to respond. They will not take pitches from PR people, and they call out PR people specifically.</p>
<p>So they say, “PR people: do not pitch us, but ask your source to contact us directly per Forbes policy.” So that's an interesting shift, and yeah, one I hope doesn't spread to other outlets. I also almost think “Sure, good luck with that,” because journalists take for granted the amount of value that we truly do bring to that relationship. And some of what we control and avoid to make sure that they get the very best piece of information possible and that they, that communications are streamlined. I think that they are seeing us maybe as an annoyance, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Iaqf-v3UaYJ1RBPcGvyHUn4DVZUFJ3U27h5YPpxVA0fzG2PhaCK5OcSIdiPAu1-f9EbPKdbU6lADoOLL1WfzHITVwuY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=260.89'>04:20</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, ok Forbes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tpRalxi5dWw6B-lmgDPpTK_7a_86vqw06LX45ZaJpaKF_7H0c8DwKIM_CqtYXYVbutpljUXDF-DPoeeQ0XbJf9tnIxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=262.69'>04:22</a>):</p>
<p>…we know the back story on a lot of these things. So &lt;laugh&gt; Yeah. I mean, I could particularly see people poking their head up and going, okay, what else is out there? So I'm seeing people do things like sell everything from business development for PR people. So there are PR salespeople who want to sell you on how to sell clients on your behalf or things like tools that we use, from databases to pitch tools to all kinds of things that we utilize. Yeah, I'm seeing a lot more of that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HiOIST2rQxhbOH1Y9Esfab-7rbrUtkRV7VRINeSrksXIBXjX_BgJEipISFiDANuoFqVvWD1ob8ebZDCPlceYUoDD8no?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=300.31'>05:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And can we just do a shout out to some of those companies solo PR pros are not really into buying at the enterprise level? We are solo shops. Yes, we would love to be your customer, but there's usually maybe 1, 2, 3, maybe five of us. So just think if you get 10 solos to buy your product at a decent price point, oh, there's your enterprise. Anyway. Ok, rant off &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EulHG99I12XjjTK2DvlAoWrxgUDXij1adWWpVT6QASDabogYvBqOhEfOMkCK50S_vlwoOqjrdsF5y-HH4lY4QODFz3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=328.93'>05:28</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. We could do an entire episode on the PR industry and the tools market. And, at the PR industry in general, it's very unfortunate that in so many instances, everything is directed to large agencies or in-house PR people. We just get overlooked quite a bit and that's very sad because we do the same job. And we deliver value just like everyone else. And a lot of times referring those very big companies, which gives us the power to make referrals and to make recommendations. So Yeah. That's too bad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Fe8a20jmqkoZwgtarymYweGWX15RqVfD28inUFnW4CGZh_HUmGpnDDt1Qs-PpAXovgxOKWqB8jHrorvlAVu9ovX9Plo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=371.69'>06:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think maybe a lot of these pivots, like you said, has a lot to do with the way that pure PR has changed for many years now. It's grown to be an integrated process. So, if you're a PR pro who just really isn't interested in learning about digital marketing or any of the integrated pieces, then yeah. It definitely would be a season to say, “Hmm, you know, what, where can I transfer these skills? How can I do that? Is it time to do some teaching?” Is it time to, I don't know. I mean, we know a couple of our, our colleagues…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/N-A9ZxGA_oJHbqwKtfozLhiUAbJk5dP4D7qCv8jv8Nmfrlcnb9eF_RfUO_zx2v39YVrOv1g8CP11R5EuDPazHlQ3PcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=413.51'>06:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we have people that are writing books, that are doing courses that are becoming coaches for PR people. Becoming consultants in some other way or, you know, going over to the media side and becoming journalists in an area of specialty. We even have a couple of solo pros that are running for office, which is really cool. So I mean, I think the great thing about communications is that it's such a fantastic skillset that really allows you to leverage that in any other position that you would choose to create for yourself, or if you're choosing to go and work a traditional job, there's so many skill sets, you know, our crisis management skills, our strategic skills, our storytelling ability. I mean, there are just so many things that we do that are so important across the board. And so I feel like in terms of our careers, we have a lot of options that are open to us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/m5ejDpkB3aDLwDy05MIfvvUlDl7rceHwBFV5kP4qGR1cJUIo5gVedCixVQVOfugEN0UzQ8kQKTcDMNCoEa9OCW6TTSo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=475.98'>07:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I even think, and of course this partly falls under the PR umbrella, but I was thinking this morning of a situation I'm dealing with of even in the nonprofit world of dealing with sponsors, you know, how certain things that you might say yes to, how that can color your perception to others and just ways to make your systems better, your thought processes better. These are all of the bases that we cover in PR, whether it's an outright deliverable to our clients. But I mean, come on. It's who we are. We're always doing it anyway. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/stW-keem4XMkxML6CwineuLBMNthFZI3VsLIu7fzow1m8f9kLRB_gzKhvGYGDvCFCpjJc69yGXM45CKcFn1UVt7gZrs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=519.02'>08:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f-a5DRQWU5c3YsD9mktvUB_6My-5aAooq6EejOiVTSWZNQPF6n7hwmdwbs9WzyUVpWL-ZceXeqdJyBE2c_3-Bfi2Zsc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=520.04'>08:40</a>):</p>
<p>Troubleshooting</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IBqYPCPVUoDWH8-aYwFNQzEHJnHik3MfEl2zsWXIzZQuXv7DSRyhYGpAUOSWNAytASs7L1umJLLJmdvh5O1iafyF968?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.03'>08:41</a>):</p>
<p>I'm trying to think of some of the more interesting pivots that I've seen outside of, you know, becoming a politician is definitely, but I guess, you know, really that feels adjacent in some ways as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PgFkuRiGQjR2k0P_SDXBHV6ylVxN8ZzaqOmdeKOr0SDtXh3U9aRfhAMLLl4PdAHquS9mgyTCq914SMCTuMbixMR0n0I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=534.15'>08:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cxBCaAs-u7ZGjH7gl4Z-LGFj9Oj-jLCpVMOS1MD50IMHtwhQCjbCEmg1HDv7mMu5pHkEAbs4rcqcTNLCiuDATvZ97cc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=535.35'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>What would you do, Michelle?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F5TVP_k_dAGilR0u6qpR0ReWHd3p4HDZigTyfGhKXDvG1QSqTU2b0a0I1YDwqiOEH9GQU9zVEU03TDBeznBhACNjrw0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.09'>08:57</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, &lt;laugh&gt;. Oh my goodness. What, what do I want to be when I grow up? &lt;Laugh&gt;, I, I joke that I want to be a lady who lunches someday, who just does this stuff for fun. But that's a whole different, Michelle &lt;laugh&gt;, you know…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IwHUFjyVJoB81ZoQA1wX7fJ-ahZ8ciGs6_3tvarc3uOO6dRdxMu6ZUpnbgZomhq7QU0kXGQjkWMcmcKncxdiYVVf9jg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=555.27'>09:15</a>):</p>
<p>I think there are a lot of pros on any given day who would join you in that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-HZfnZyl_NhZoNCCUtirrPUN168NGKHH1YNBzQTm4Dj4qFMIk57HebTLUUO-lbL2KueC4sh39G-JOtOI-_8qIZflJ24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=560.48'>09:20</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. Yeah. That might be. But being realistic, you know, I don't know, maybe something in education, there's something in me that always pulls towards that world. Even counseling to a certain degree. These are all career choices that I dallied with. I knew for myself that I didn't quite have the temperament to do the whole full day in a classroom situation, you know, of that kind of teaching. Similarly, when I was younger, I shifted from being a psych major to duh, you're good at writing &lt;laugh&gt;. Partly because I knew I didn't have it in me at that time to be any kind of counselor &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jPhsMz_yS8u6gs9cfpsKTBJGAMTZGUt3yRKkFzYgzhLGXIh2XI7Pjo14eGI3XnSYLwJj6JmV711iLrJivhQrkefS-ew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=603.5'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. And so many solo PR pros do teach. We have a lot of educators, some that have moved towards doing that more than PR for clients, which, you know, I just think that there's such a value to the education industry, but yeah, we have a lot of educators. I think that that's natural. I think that most PR pros really have that ability to teach.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BLxoC2hc1HvXHDF39B9IxKZlwARRXqWmamhVx4t7vmKOmProZwtg9bi1j0FL9_Gzq63Ibo4KPK_fMMC-xJ91ec37QqA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=632.55'>10:32</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFTIY6oyxLuq8qPfwYaiUaOKE1KmNndACtVpglRVTl-Z9XOu0h1SRR_7ll5nikxtRDPwzZpW5mSymnRj0UHZEBEPqzM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=633.78'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because we do quite a bit of education in our work, and so I think that that feels like a natural fit for so many people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5dQ-H8Tosi-Fy3Ieig4My19X-iElPJYnW8z8rH_-e5zSN8s-5yqlFN41cPUEQrSjKdJlsrqj4qmWEeuQusb0TMN3IRw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=639.72'>10:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. Well, how about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vkg2QbEc6F2YAPUUMRdur0mgUdX0eoN4AaMMybj3cbTNI8I5i-AV7sC_N6jmAKkp7xtOzlOWAw1faJbsZ4-sEMsEzfw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=641.4'>10:41</a>):</p>
<p>Outside of being something in the dog industry, I would love to do that, you know? You know, I have plans to open some kind of a cafe where owners can’t just dine with their dogs, but where it's like a combo doggy day camp / cafe where people can relax and meet friends, but their dogs can have a concierge and be taken care of.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/90peMUqxlAEDJ67gr86WCYcF64n1teIShDmIWct2IMLEtHZHi9htgh0PdtqqrwH8DnrQr8FPm3derEj6UgPLlWJBUm8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=667.62'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>I love that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PBSpajiXDq5RffxCEDnooGDmzDH734xmNFtyOlZXN_p8v3Y2qj7F_UJSe2pymP5R9M4LdhSG1fJCcANG9lPjzsBYgkw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=672.48'>11:12</a>):</p>
<p>I'm working on courses and stuff too. I’d love to do more content creation and again, teaching sharing, right?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ptCPNRXC3t9MRHxfwOnIF5TOg9Tm5wHy9wYVXT_0_sOQV0w8OfbIsPXiZfWD_Y_WT_7zddHlAPCAgMqv0j6YTorPyaQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.3'>11:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uiISWLgu9idkukTAhIfWigSggoOHQIpgpX-BlQC6UC2sYrAnr4uQjw3YAUbP3737cVxN4iJTw7AQAniHnf0XiQa10CM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=681.87'>11:21</a>):</p>
<p>Helping others with their careers.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VN7CqBjoTgFGIUEo4-py5K_u4Sld6hnD_qXFM5PFtk9_lpHZryzU18nj4vCcaSCm8d1UgJ-9rlPZkVcS1pPa2NABmU8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=684.06'>11:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so true. So true. Sidebar about the dog combo thing. I once told my groomer, I said, “You know what, you need to open up a day spa &lt;laugh&gt;, so that when my dog's getting groomed, I get like a little mini facial.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dSTlIPP7RL08OdzSgXwhMpJQpDYbttUhZYAt7waaQbiZBk7-yGEgwi85WacqlfFAtYiHTaEOmU8_LVV_K_3RdK9VRtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=697.86'>11:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love that we would all have a day at the spa &lt;laugh&gt;, not just this guy.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7bpLmDTI7CGPV9hLK9xQ03ATOhEMKBWRYDQpI4ORtV3VPzUhQL_47pyLvzOO3XTGHD27PPJVl_rn17LGZ22g-BoEUzU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=702.36'>11:42</a>):</p>
<p>There's a lot written about the dog economy as they're calling it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B8gl-gy-yBYhJGsIEYjSnCcPJMKSg-Fz8kGBjGQNzP533M9-XYtGwEJjDOfKPJHRjN78OYB6fDa76LGwolqdbd7H2oQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=706.56'>11:46</a>):</p>
<p>Dog economy.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MuJA8cYAefVeGkE4mx1lPOh5winVByI99AzdxJJSddG9GuTIbT9uK0BmdGzNyhrkrhCteBXVR0jUdSalujRGnkcv72o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=708.12'>11:48</a>):</p>
<p>We're spending a lot on our fur babies, and more and more people are, you know, embracing it. Thank you, everyone who's doing that. Dogs are really, truly a part of our family. So yeah, there's big opportunities in that market.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AbO2ZLWoN9jKIy8qWBWfTp4Hx1fY06b8OifClwtPdrilJhUvi18R4EysO2mxRelQXo90etm9U-Q0llkh7cimw61Ffr4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=723.79'>12:03</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Yeah, there's, I think that's the beautiful thing about what we do, because we don't come to our desks every day and move widgets from one page to the next. Our jobs are really creative. So that lends itself to transferring that whole mindset to everything you do, you know? Yes, it really does. So, the beautiful thing about doing this line of work is you may discover some hidden talents along the way that you never realized it. Let's say you're pitching a certain story about a certain company or their new initiative, or maybe it's a nonprofit. Just think how big your world gets. So if you're not thinking about a pivot now, start thinking in that way of, okay, you know, these people that I meet, it's not just, “All right, I'll do this thing, and then next…” Follow up with that person and learn more about what they do just because it interested you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xZlT8jvY9qJNImmTifJ6NkIdAXa7J0C9SFW18-s-7jRMT2M7A9DdBH3E0oo7uS7478X-V7OsJIgTau_72YxfrbFkUeA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=787.78'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And we certainly have it. We've even had people as guests on our shows - Major come to mind. She has a popcorn company. She still does PR, but she has a very successful popcorn company. By the way, she's got a new flavor out, so go check her out. So the sky is really the limit. If you have something else that you're interested in, by all means you can pursue it in addition to doing PR. And some of us pursue, you know, we have our own side gigs, because for me, I think of my side gig is something that I want to pivot to in retirement. And move away from the day-to-day client work and move over into doing something a little bit different. So yeah, there's lots of interesting examples out there, and I think that we should all be thinking about that. And with this economy, it's been a wake-up call for, I think for a lot of people that it's very helpful to have multiple revenue streams, and that's always been the case, but there are ways to achieve that. You can achieve that through investing, of course, but it doesn't hurt to have like a Plan B for yourself.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XP0-0lF-123RiGkJyB6XEQdW8laF5Q1U_TNXdnEFRZHPz3kI2xmE4ZPmcYlrN7s6oLVTQQjV1IUQoqA-s6Y0EopAimY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=862.75'>14:22</a>):</p>
<p>No, that's so true. It's interesting, just this last week, I have made myself be more conscious about doing more voiceover auditions just because, you know, it's to the point where the mechanisms are in place that it's not so arduous. Before I would have to print out the script and hook up my Yeti, and now it's like, oh, let me plug in my headphone here and bing bang, boom. And just say to myself, well, doh Michelle, you can do that in the first 15 minutes of your day. Now, did I do it today? No, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/39GphP5bde0ddzOswh-Jytqrmh_Wg4TcX7sE8hRoJA3Xf9yZD8k5BcNMH_R5p3K0HtBNjXQMTvUORp0vivFRlNKMVWs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=897.56'>14:57</a>):</p>
<p>I love that though, because that's okay. You're so perfect for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TL4CCVThLyViBoLBivcuFxMkMuDpAxPSzDkV4hyoat2Ovdu7rMtrg5-7bT6piD7i5X78byzwG7HcFN74I3oqUaJRe7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=900.8'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Aw, thanks.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eBJAFTMX2xhvISZV-KugD5_0ynazI-qtZmgTa7wKHQ56ENVsxwblnkA6cQHPN4EB8EDj5Imfi8HCI403xd98zPINAB4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=902.24'>15:02</a>):</p>
<p>And you're right, there are so many different avenues and channels right now that are looking for that, so yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Dlb_sHmwFCmSIiVy5sLkwb4MikpXA8SLfWipz5Kh7kGU0Pf14etAaH08U8qGECUoDcFvBBAJySW54VHSVM-lC2qtCrc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.19'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/G6MukBUmtycEWRs_4xSTNEkcG9lwEKadRXsZhF4Tfi5R1VFF6TfWOMG1-USsZM4U6iFfO76IaYyKkDwzwzu7pNFsY8M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=910.4'>15:10</a>):</p>
<p>That's so perfect. I love it. I love it. I'm so here for it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2qQ9bixM8LBu0GAw7tjawJDP7x2ngiKB9Nps11a3lv_aXcPVh7VOYAZ75qLpWWV_K3eR1EviEV5QitmQhd4Ua47HDH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=915.23'>15:15</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, we'll see, we'll see. But I see too, I've seen some people, they're not PR pros per se, but they're in the comms business, just either niching down on what they do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3c2zr2cM0lBnzxv3al-PKgMkJzyAcxPu7Z3I064v4T11m1mfBiQAzc79jQyfXM90MGz5KaXBlHYzGAwk65HxxjGmleo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=926'>15:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zQkdxs4ONdajL7RaTR0OtLt1jyuWmwOfQkPiLLQoo3IOccHmvBw26wtQlAkiBgVrVckM5b6vjEzehghIhBVSl94Mmng?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=927.23'>15:27</a>):</p>
<p>As opposed to being something for everyone, you know, they're deciding really, snd I think too, it's probably a combination of post pandemic, the economy, everything, just really determining this is what we do really well. We want to focus on this. And with that comes opportunity for collaboration to fill those gaps that it's, it's not to say, well, we only do this.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GmnBFBVOykqNgd77NkPRb9QcavPyegS6m7SsSSYuB1YI3H-6-4lu5zo14JE874it_199I7Kz7c01Zh-1OKtCOMIVG1s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=950.69'>15:50</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Well, Katie Boos, great example of that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SafpqoR7by5GwLZhorcc13Fhm6LNavILfnqiesQx3FTiirwgGcve1HjEaWQ-zWSHhF8Qx_Jh6el5x5VQgkAKQBuv5bE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=953.58'>15:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yes!</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kWXdYgDtLCxCtIiKNfjc2HFGowsBqvJhUEbFA-UQGt8hPxsZ2i_Ln0vaGrXPPRPylPvelPmiZ95FMHqEXE-CryiFL_4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=955.01'>15:55</a>):</p>
<p>She really found that she loved the thought leadership. And so she specializes in that. That's what she does. She doesn't do any of the other things anymore. She specializes in that. Helen Ne is someone that I met through lunch club. She's a PR pro, not in the us but in the UK. Yeah. She also made a pivot into thought leadership in a different way where she started out hosting these veil interviews with CEOs and enterprise leaders, and now she's turned that into a whole thing. So she has a studio, and that's all she does.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dMhPp3ZOiZyr2LA2Lcm3Fa9a6L1w1tt8sucBWFWsW3p_7T56fY3zg8rr94h8jIde0hErVy9ByElMAkWoNZZUQzmyk_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=986.81'>16:26</a>):</p>
<p>That's fantastic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PhBDLO1GSiSrB5ohOXFgp0Av3E-sgBFXj1pAtF8LgP5qaHS-H9DWmB8Pkk-PEjV7UgkPCjqDeNOSm8Irlm221ZuDs9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=988.16'>16:28</a>):</p>
<p>So, yeah. We should have Helen on the program one day too, to talk about it. Yeah, that would be great. She's a solo like our audience. So yeah, there's so many creative things that we can do, we have so many talents that we can use them in so many different ways.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8TFO_1SjslYvvBY_GNSXTkITeozR-ZPY22Yde8KAkK6b10k68VBLXuHVmjVitweAuINGX1d3zxlVPBJNLDlagaHUlOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1009.94'>16:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we do. We do. And I think it could be an, an instance of, okay, we've all been through a lot in these last several years, and it kind of feels like the vibe is, okay, let's stop and take a beat and take a breath and see, okay, where am I? And just check in with ourselves. And I think that's good to do periodically no matter what's happening. But I realize we're all coming out of some serious survival mode. But we just wanted to get you all thinking today. So if, hopefully this has inspired you, we say that every week because we always try to inspire you, but we really do want to hear from you. What would you want to do? If you could do anything in your next career pivot? Hit us up at soloprpro.com, share this around, talk about it with your friends. Until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hello, Karen. How are you doing this week?
Karen Swim (00:34):
I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:37):
I'm doing pretty well. Yes, yes. As this episode airs, we're hitting that mid-August stride, which means change for so many. For some of us it means “Leave me alone. I am still having summer.” But for others it means going back to college, getting ready to go back to school, or just getting ready to go enter another rhythm of life. But that sort of speaks to what we're going to talk about today, where our topic is the PR migration, and just things that we're seeing amongst our colleagues and in PR in general. You know, many people are pivoting away from PR or just starting to dabble in other fields, like education or maybe even something completely different. So we thought, hey, let's talk about this and see what we might be able to encourage our listeners.
Karen Swim (01:31):
Yeah. Isn't it interesting, I'm seeing, I get a lot of the emails now from PR people that are selling services to PR people rather than doing PR. So I'm not sure what's behind the number of PR people that are still in the prime of their working years, still have lots of road ahead of them that are like, let me pivot over to something else. If it's just a genuine shift that we're seeing, because maybe it's been driven by the climate that we're in.
Michelle Kane (02:03):
It could be. And you know, it could be just a certain number of people are just feeling that need to shift. I know sometimes even within a job, right? Every few years or so, you just need a little something new, a little different challenge to keep life interesting for yourself. And I wonder how many of our listeners are having those moments of kind of putting their head up and going, huh, what else could I be doing?
Karen Swim (02:34):
That's such a great point. You're right that in a traditional job, you don't typically do the exact same job for year after year after year after year, your responsibilities shift, you get a different role, you change companies, something changes to keep you on your toes and refreshed. And so it could be that, although I have to say that given some of the challenges that we face today, I can certainly understand those people that are leading the profession because it's just become really difficult to succeed. You know, &lt;laugh&gt; great example, Forbes now has a policy, it does not, you know, there's different brands of Forbes, but Forbes has this policy now that if they put out a query, they do not want anyone except for the expert to respond. They will not take pitches from PR people, and they call out PR people specifically.
So they say, “PR people: do not pitch us, but ask your source to contact us directly per Forbes policy.” So that's an interesting shift, and yeah, one I hope doesn't spread to other outlets. I also almost think “Sure, good luck with that,” because journalists take for granted the amount of value that we truly do bring to that relationship. And some of what we control and avoid to make sure that they get the very best piece of information possible and that they, that communications are streamlined. I think that they are seeing us maybe as an annoyance, but
Michelle Kane (04:20):
Oh, ok Forbes.
Karen Swim (04:22):
…we know the back story on a lot of these things. So &lt;laugh&gt; Yeah. I mean, I could particularly see people poking their head up and going, okay, what else is out there? So I'm seeing people do things like sell everything from business development for PR people. So there are PR salespeople who want ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>From Gen Z to Millennials, Generation X to the Silent Generation, all the way to Boomers – has there ever been a time when members of so many generations shared space in the workforce? In this episode we talk about how the generations and work together and learn from each other.</p>
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<p>Talking About My Generation
That Solo Life Episode 211</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MCdBnS8D11V0rBUJEKZ3i5gtW6r6pErPkG5iwcWJySCkUvGLE7f2fh8nTS9ZaPs4CwzD-DrYtOp8uZACEjcAyL-qLCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.61'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YpZoOv9aQuQ25bPG6btOFkj8AE_gTDawc4VVV-RcqnLJ8FOs9vm0oa3oopyBb1ZVB3b-AAONDzDV2OZFDoEdDUcRhAg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.19'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm really, really great. One day we are going to have to put together a video of our bloopers, which includes one this morning &lt;laugh&gt;, and put it on YouTube so that people can have a good laugh with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0V8xYH8SgEB6hz0j7BQCFQxwCpwB6pxwgFpEB17eDafzn0j_VDQSi0ktDUpCfUntEsroSTK0KWv1q88TR93hxu19M0Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.57'>00:45</a>):</p>
<p>That's right. That's right. Because, you know, as super polished, as we always sound here, &lt;laugh&gt;, it's not always the reality. And you know what? That's okay. Life is messy, and we're going to talk about that a little bit today. We're focusing on the generational divide and how sometimes, especially if you are in an office or if you work on a team with everyone ranging from Gen Z all the way up to Boomers, you know, sometimes work styles differ, tech appreciation differs. And  not to be ageist, because I think sometimes that flows both ways. I've encountered supremely tech savvy Boomers, and I've also encountered not so native Gen Zers, because we all have adapted and used that kind of thing. Things from the tech world in our own way and just, just really work styles. Our experiences inform what we bring to anything and sometimes in the workplace that is intensified. So, we’re going to dig in a little bit on this today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wVj1dkIAVmeklvVR8VOchG11nB37vG5bEl7ySGH_LUT274EZZY11keJBU3RUVTJ0wcQQjZGsoAeD_0rOJdMFb3sZMps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.86'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, the reason that this topic is so important is because we do, we have like all of these generations in the workforce. And that's crazy, right? I don't remember when I was the age of our Gen Zers, and at the start of my career, I honestly don't remember this many generations being employed at the same time. So times have really changed. And I know that as someone who is nearing the end of my career, it's sometimes difficult to adapt your style. It does take work. It takes being open and flexible, and there are things that we know, knowledge that we have, experiences that we have that can sometimes be frustrating when it seems like we're not being heard or we're not being valued. And I imagine that honestly is true of every generation. So, we all share that. We all want to be heard, we all want to be valued in our work, but as solo PR pros, you know, we're dealing with clients. And so we're in a bit of a different position in that we're not directly managing all of these generations, but we are corralling all of these generations, and we have to communicate internally across the divide. And so, it's well worth it to understand kind of what motivates them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tnkxCd9qZgTkZ0H4ZGb3y854gWyxpW9Yr5V6KQsm2DYG9Xn2z_SCRc3LoQ-GMv2YipxIVwH5iZWWGJVbEmF8QF94-3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.57'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>Very, very true. And I don't know, I try to look at it this way, right? Just with communicating in general, in a professional setting, I like to vibe off of, well, how are they communicating with me? Are they leading with email or do they prefer hopping on a Zoom, or are they phone call oriented, or are they text oriented? &lt;Laugh&gt;, which I will reserve for a precious view, &lt;laugh&gt;, because I know for me, having to bop around different screens makes me crazy in the head. But that's also why I have a texting app in my browser. So I guess that also speaks to how we make our own accommodations within that realm too, to work in the best way we can while bridging and meeting them where they are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FpTIOIthQ_ULauYxFH_pBj0r4_4K4bvv3LK82IaHpIaF8q8rR4Agt6wNzvyxSy4_oU-PljHfwqtPc9a9SG9HvqJDU7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.3'>04:13</a>):</p>
<p>And I think it's really important, obviously we want to always be client friendly, but in terms of being really inclusive when it comes to generational preferences, I think it's also important to talk about these things as part of your onboarding process and really solidify what channels you're going to communicate through. Because to your point, I end up with people that use Microsoft, Microsoft Teams, people that use Slack, and so you can have things coming in and scattered directions. And so it's important for us to say what really works for us, and to talk with clients and negotiate that right up front and explain why. Because we want to have the communication streamlined. We don't want to have to look a lot of different places. And maybe those conversations should include like, what's the best way for quick questions and messages?</p>
<p>And then for everything else that you need to have - history attachments, that type of thing - usually email does function better for that. So have that conversation. Don't make assumptions because a person is a certain age that they're going to have a certain preference, because while there are these big buckets for things, that's not always true. You know, I don't really line up with the generation that I was born in, in many, many things. &lt;Laugh&gt;, I line up with the generation that comes after me more. And I know that that's true of many people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DmhsZ9ji94271JIf1Oaswjoyg-u45zDLxxvfy3GoiEZbDbiN7IxX8L34u_PNtDTtQFnC3S7MBjHvmkOhiEEWg5ZSQbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.07'>05:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. And you know, a lot of times too, it's, I think especially as communications professionals, sometimes we bat around so many ideas in a session that we might forget. I always love to follow up somehow in writing, whether that's a Slack message or an email just to say, “Hey, here's what we talked about, blah, blah, blah, blah.” But like you say, that comes with the onboarding process and of just agreeing how we're going to work together. You know? And I don't know, I, I don't like to say that I'm blind to the generations because they definitely bring different things to the table. But I like to always adopt a person-first attitude over, oh, you're young, you'll do, you know, I'm not the person like, you young people, go set the timer on the thing. I don't understand it. &lt;Laugh&gt;, I try not to be “get off my lawn,” although I have had moments in the past. But to their credit, in those instances they were put in an environment that they just were unprepared for. They were unprepared for how working in an office worked and that really wasn't their fault. That's not the background they came from. And so that's a real thing that many of us may encounter along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8Ie4_QaefWp9Exg4iiam5xiy-VKuh8Zn3tMooYaCSL5ZW2g_cmXM-5V2jKKC2xajhyemVNQNdWNsPFW47BzE6FyDIo8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.84'>07:08</a>):</p>
<p>I think, you know, one of the things that I find the most challenging about working with so many generations is that everyone has these perceptions about the other generation. And sometimes everybody can be negative about everybody. So yeah, you have a younger generation and I want to speak to Gen Zers, just because a person is of a certain age, please don't discount them and please don't devalue what they have to offer. Being older with more experience doesn't mean that you don't understand things and how they work now. So sometimes I feel like you're shoved to the side because of your age. We know that ageism is a very real thing. I know people that are older who have been laid off and very much are still in the prime of their working years that are not being given jobs because they are too experienced.</p>
<p>And we all know that that's code for being of a certain age or just flat out, you know, you interview with somebody that is 30 years younger than you and they look at you differently. So I would encourage younger workers to open up their minds and to have a more positive attitude and accept that just because someone is not your age doesn't mean that they're not with it, that they don't understand the trends, that they can't do their job, that they're going to be stuck in the mud or inflexible, that older workers have something to offer too. And by the way, older people really want to contribute to the workforce. And for many of us, again, that time in our life, because we've lived longer than you have, we've hit that point. These are our prime working years.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZuH_RgHUbzcN05W2kTMiZ0gBDqFUnXRIftHxQ2Eq5rnFy2fFKfLPWAmN8o6eYZLf2ys7KeBPAQ8O-qbMoafALtJty1g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.99'>08:57</a>):</p>
<p>And we &lt;crosstalk&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JKxfhHOxMVnFNW281VyIx7Vpva-8lOlm8jqkTzqlMckKSq-83KKPQZIaMOR6TAk9J_0Enu4cgvqXqfELCtN4aICWZFk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=539.64'>08:59</a>):</p>
<p>You on the other end of the spectrum. Sorry.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sk2Sv-OySVOH8jd3silSk4yJNln497uGuoH_yFX70NIb1rasXL9sLvtObzEGQFETCZ9YLp2SJzV9nVBmBZd4D0S7bhw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=541.86'>09:01</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q_frl1TiCesYP88e8xWVLFnvdOrmtVDkj0d2YahE473HFkGWzm0tUuReveNJj6c0pLiWmA4aECBEKQOAEgUzZdNNJbM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.61'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>On the other side of the spectrum we can sometimes have an attitude of either feeling like you have to guide the younger workers and you can discount what they don't have in your experience and not take seriously their approach or their ideas. And so I think for all of us, I would say let's start from a place of respect, mutual respect, and treat everybody as a colleague and as a professional. Hear one another out, listen, even when it may be different than the way we do something, because that's going to make work better for all of us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iOktVg5dhL0_YKyDYtrG0yByfUwhQumRiR_KrjAveTcoeci8FA-QOc-iTtLNlyNMEbgsAXLb1LZp7dQ01TL70Mlv15U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.72'>09:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And leave your perceptions at the door, you know, to your point on the older quote unquote older workers. We've seen the things, you know, we've seen a lot of rodeos and sometimes, you know, we could say, okay, this is probably going to go this way. It's not presuming that, oh, you just don’t know. And I think too, I think all of us along with our perceptions have to sometimes check our attitudes. And it, it could be something that we say without realizing it, or it just comes out of our mouths. We go, oh, didn't mean to say it that way, &lt;laugh&gt;, but you know, at the end of the day, we're all human and stuff happens. But, I agree, it is wild to think that there are at least, goodness, what - five different generations all in the workforce at one time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LYbouYukdcFTx9YuC2fXKRO8Z3yLKvK6X2gPBQ8i4C1DI-JjKzrzRRxzKr6vagKwxZH6cCZqHwj1nduCvWWcoPfMGMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=630.67'>10:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IvTBEUsToU2ECGSMakET4tZ9hSPxbZUcf_hJcMbmb1AeE-9AGmCUjFVpQnhBYk44Jg5IxA0FRV8hhItXwV6HcbWFXNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=631.5'>10:31</a>):</p>
<p>That is wild. It is just wild to think about. And it's kind of exciting, like, rather than look at it as, “Oh no, we're not going to get along.” It's kind of cool. Right? I mean, can you imagine really at what time do we have the opportunity to bring not only a breadth of experience, but also fresh minds and ingenuity all together? How cool is that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UjSveMpN9YBdYfFzSIusuJpz2YiKf5O_DSKccAozmqhxfutvV92g488XXBEYdA8l5cisWpns2rHc4ZT_obrsa8KGJ5Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=658.53'>10:58</a>):</p>
<p>And I think we can look and say the things that we built, it's really exciting to see it through someone else's eyes. To do it in a new way and to see how we can keep improving and keep moving the profession forward. It can be difficult for us when we do have those clients that have the wrong attitude and view older workers as not up to the task because of our age, but then vice versa. You know, I know that younger people probably feel the same, that they are also unfairly judged sometimes by their youth. And so I think we have to work together as generations to make sure that we are not being discriminatory towards anyone because of age. That we truly are all working towards inclusivity and judging each individual their merits.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgNIDSjfrcbyRBfhCEZZMDuDTGio4M6dSw7InSRPtaDxwj5VQjwYr88Mppmdckxu104U4Ui5esV0DXOCcT9t13zZ8Ak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=715'>11:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And so how, what are some ways that we can do this as solos? Of course, the easy one is get an intern. The Philly PR Association that I belong to, we're working really hard on this. We have a board level position that is focused on college relations. And it's not just, “Hey, kids come to our event.” It's really looking at ways to interact with these young professionals just entering the profession and creating that relationship. Because we know we all benefit from it. So however that works for you in your solo world, try and seek that out. Sometimes as a solo shop who probably works out of a home office, you may be reluctant to bring an intern on thinking, well, goodness, it's not like they're going to come and sit in my kitchen every day. But there are ways &lt;laugh&gt; to engage with an intern where that doesn't have to be the case. You don't have to give them a little cubicle next to the copier that doesn't exist because you're not in a traditional office.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OPNSh82us87JcfDUnpPt44bkszM3LF8I1UNLTbBH0wRX04WnBrEylEhjL_SFNhidxEsfE-hutL25NdokWwoWhs-cYEs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=781.69'>13:01</a>):</p>
<p>In addition to hiring an intern or bringing on somebody that's a different generation or mentoring. I think also when you're in a situation where there is someone of a different generation, make time to get to know that person and what they care about. And I say that's true of everybody. For me, that's part of my client relations is that I definitely want to understand what's important to the company, what the goals are, what they need. But on an individual level, with every contact at the clients, I really want to understand what's motivating them, what's important to them, what are the things that you're trying to accomplish in your job, because that allows you to really establish that one-to-one connection. And so I think that that is really important. Detroit PRSA is doing an event where they're combining baseball with mentoring the younger professionals that I thought that that was a very cool thing.</p>
<p>So maybe you want to get involved in PRSSA too, the student chapters of the PRSA, they are sitting right alongside professionals and learning things. And it's really very valuable for students that are still in college who want to go into the communications field. So yeah, I encourage older workers to, to, you seek out mentoring opportunities. I encourage younger generations to seek those out as well and to be willing to be mentored. But I encourage us all to just be kind, respectful and understand that everyone has something to contribute.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Yns3lOOxPOxjNCugGeICU9cMr6MCCCnBVYTMEax5CA5e9mg-Ex-fRMMKoWJ9FcobmSyhvYOKOPR2YNYPYr1Q-fo8e9A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.01'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. You know what, be a good person is basically &lt;laugh&gt; our message today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JHqYSQCoePgCNL9DcZTYbvKX49653Y0D4WKQhSxwb_RjDdU7t0hRNIsHNbyGmjgMzlIId0Zx4sp69nlaop-zVPLBwpY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=895.7'>14:55</a>):</p>
<p>I know Solos do that day in and day out. I think that we want to just continue to motivate you to keep doing what you're doing and spread it because while we in the communications field know and practice this, the world around us doesn't always, and so &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KuRDo_oL_9--mEzZLucQTaGgubLh1p08wwUdA5xcaQpSR2xoGUvmKsRwyRxtwtlEa6N-ZRdz0_esO-Iqc8oFeN8VFA8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.33'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Not so much &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OF05-BoyirUj_bMc5DBxkfqANUUgsH_S-Kp4TBzYhVDVaVAdkKFa5q329J9xH8rITuXcyjuc9doF_n9TswBeB02dBeE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.63'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>Let some other people in because unfortunately everybody hasn't gotten that memo.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ohiyo_nd2KyzmGBO_F70bx9116Ygk4WZmChlHfdEqdDvNimBHljHIU_fpwBhj-VtvI0avTEmmJdli5imyCV4EMW83zE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=925.55'>15:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. So, as we do in many ways blazing the trail lead by example and you know, if enough of us start doing that or continue to do it, there will have to be some kind of ripple effect. I firmly believe that. And I also believe that you are wonderful if you're choosing to spend some time with us today and listen to us, please do share it around. That is probably the nicest thing you could do for us, is to share our content and tell a friend and check us out at soloprpro.com. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Gen Z to Millennials, Generation X to the Silent Generation, all the way to Boomers – has there ever been a time when members of so many generations shared space in the workforce? In this episode we talk about how the generations and work together and learn from each other.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Talking About My Generation<br>
That Solo Life Episode 211</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MCdBnS8D11V0rBUJEKZ3i5gtW6r6pErPkG5iwcWJySCkUvGLE7f2fh8nTS9ZaPs4CwzD-DrYtOp8uZACEjcAyL-qLCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.61'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YpZoOv9aQuQ25bPG6btOFkj8AE_gTDawc4VVV-RcqnLJ8FOs9vm0oa3oopyBb1ZVB3b-AAONDzDV2OZFDoEdDUcRhAg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=32.19'>00:32</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm really, really great. One day we are going to have to put together a video of our bloopers, which includes one this morning &lt;laugh&gt;, and put it on YouTube so that people can have a good laugh with us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0V8xYH8SgEB6hz0j7BQCFQxwCpwB6pxwgFpEB17eDafzn0j_VDQSi0ktDUpCfUntEsroSTK0KWv1q88TR93hxu19M0Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=45.57'>00:45</a>):</p>
<p>That's right. That's right. Because, you know, as super polished, as we always sound here, &lt;laugh&gt;, it's not always the reality. And you know what? That's okay. Life is messy, and we're going to talk about that a little bit today. We're focusing on the generational divide and how sometimes, especially if you are in an office or if you work on a team with everyone ranging from Gen Z all the way up to Boomers, you know, sometimes work styles differ, tech appreciation differs. And  not to be ageist, because I think sometimes that flows both ways. I've encountered supremely tech savvy Boomers, and I've also encountered not so native Gen Zers, because we all have adapted and used that kind of thing. Things from the tech world in our own way and just, just really work styles. Our experiences inform what we bring to anything and sometimes in the workplace that is intensified. So, we’re going to dig in a little bit on this today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wVj1dkIAVmeklvVR8VOchG11nB37vG5bEl7ySGH_LUT274EZZY11keJBU3RUVTJ0wcQQjZGsoAeD_0rOJdMFb3sZMps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.86'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, the reason that this topic is so important is because we do, we have like all of these generations in the workforce. And that's crazy, right? I don't remember when I was the age of our Gen Zers, and at the start of my career, I honestly don't remember this many generations being employed at the same time. So times have really changed. And I know that as someone who is nearing the end of my career, it's sometimes difficult to adapt your style. It does take work. It takes being open and flexible, and there are things that we know, knowledge that we have, experiences that we have that can sometimes be frustrating when it seems like we're not being heard or we're not being valued. And I imagine that honestly is true of every generation. So, we all share that. We all want to be heard, we all want to be valued in our work, but as solo PR pros, you know, we're dealing with clients. And so we're in a bit of a different position in that we're not directly managing all of these generations, but we are corralling all of these generations, and we have to communicate internally across the divide. And so, it's well worth it to understand kind of what motivates them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tnkxCd9qZgTkZ0H4ZGb3y854gWyxpW9Yr5V6KQsm2DYG9Xn2z_SCRc3LoQ-GMv2YipxIVwH5iZWWGJVbEmF8QF94-3U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=196.57'>03:16</a>):</p>
<p>Very, very true. And I don't know, I try to look at it this way, right? Just with communicating in general, in a professional setting, I like to vibe off of, well, how are they communicating with me? Are they leading with email or do they prefer hopping on a Zoom, or are they phone call oriented, or are they text oriented? &lt;Laugh&gt;, which I will reserve for a precious view, &lt;laugh&gt;, because I know for me, having to bop around different screens makes me crazy in the head. But that's also why I have a texting app in my browser. So I guess that also speaks to how we make our own accommodations within that realm too, to work in the best way we can while bridging and meeting them where they are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FpTIOIthQ_ULauYxFH_pBj0r4_4K4bvv3LK82IaHpIaF8q8rR4Agt6wNzvyxSy4_oU-PljHfwqtPc9a9SG9HvqJDU7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=253.3'>04:13</a>):</p>
<p>And I think it's really important, obviously we want to always be client friendly, but in terms of being really inclusive when it comes to generational preferences, I think it's also important to talk about these things as part of your onboarding process and really solidify what channels you're going to communicate through. Because to your point, I end up with people that use Microsoft, Microsoft Teams, people that use Slack, and so you can have things coming in and scattered directions. And so it's important for us to say what really works for us, and to talk with clients and negotiate that right up front and explain why. Because we want to have the communication streamlined. We don't want to have to look a lot of different places. And maybe those conversations should include like, what's the best way for quick questions and messages?</p>
<p>And then for everything else that you need to have - history attachments, that type of thing - usually email does function better for that. So have that conversation. Don't make assumptions because a person is a certain age that they're going to have a certain preference, because while there are these big buckets for things, that's not always true. You know, I don't really line up with the generation that I was born in, in many, many things. &lt;Laugh&gt;, I line up with the generation that comes after me more. And I know that that's true of many people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DmhsZ9ji94271JIf1Oaswjoyg-u45zDLxxvfy3GoiEZbDbiN7IxX8L34u_PNtDTtQFnC3S7MBjHvmkOhiEEWg5ZSQbg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=348.07'>05:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. And you know, a lot of times too, it's, I think especially as communications professionals, sometimes we bat around so many ideas in a session that we might forget. I always love to follow up somehow in writing, whether that's a Slack message or an email just to say, “Hey, here's what we talked about, blah, blah, blah, blah.” But like you say, that comes with the onboarding process and of just agreeing how we're going to work together. You know? And I don't know, I, I don't like to say that I'm blind to the generations because they definitely bring different things to the table. But I like to always adopt a person-first attitude over, oh, you're young, you'll do, you know, I'm not the person like, you young people, go set the timer on the thing. I don't understand it. &lt;Laugh&gt;, I try not to be “get off my lawn,” although I have had moments in the past. But to their credit, in those instances they were put in an environment that they just were unprepared for. They were unprepared for how working in an office worked and that really wasn't their fault. That's not the background they came from. And so that's a real thing that many of us may encounter along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8Ie4_QaefWp9Exg4iiam5xiy-VKuh8Zn3tMooYaCSL5ZW2g_cmXM-5V2jKKC2xajhyemVNQNdWNsPFW47BzE6FyDIo8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=428.84'>07:08</a>):</p>
<p>I think, you know, one of the things that I find the most challenging about working with so many generations is that everyone has these perceptions about the other generation. And sometimes everybody can be negative about everybody. So yeah, you have a younger generation and I want to speak to Gen Zers, just because a person is of a certain age, please don't discount them and please don't devalue what they have to offer. Being older with more experience doesn't mean that you don't understand things and how they work now. So sometimes I feel like you're shoved to the side because of your age. We know that ageism is a very real thing. I know people that are older who have been laid off and very much are still in the prime of their working years that are not being given jobs because they are too experienced.</p>
<p>And we all know that that's code for being of a certain age or just flat out, you know, you interview with somebody that is 30 years younger than you and they look at you differently. So I would encourage younger workers to open up their minds and to have a more positive attitude and accept that just because someone is not your age doesn't mean that they're not with it, that they don't understand the trends, that they can't do their job, that they're going to be stuck in the mud or inflexible, that older workers have something to offer too. And by the way, older people really want to contribute to the workforce. And for many of us, again, that time in our life, because we've lived longer than you have, we've hit that point. These are our prime working years.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZuH_RgHUbzcN05W2kTMiZ0gBDqFUnXRIftHxQ2Eq5rnFy2fFKfLPWAmN8o6eYZLf2ys7KeBPAQ8O-qbMoafALtJty1g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=537.99'>08:57</a>):</p>
<p>And we &lt;crosstalk&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JKxfhHOxMVnFNW281VyIx7Vpva-8lOlm8jqkTzqlMckKSq-83KKPQZIaMOR6TAk9J_0Enu4cgvqXqfELCtN4aICWZFk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=539.64'>08:59</a>):</p>
<p>You on the other end of the spectrum. Sorry.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sk2Sv-OySVOH8jd3silSk4yJNln497uGuoH_yFX70NIb1rasXL9sLvtObzEGQFETCZ9YLp2SJzV9nVBmBZd4D0S7bhw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=541.86'>09:01</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q_frl1TiCesYP88e8xWVLFnvdOrmtVDkj0d2YahE473HFkGWzm0tUuReveNJj6c0pLiWmA4aECBEKQOAEgUzZdNNJbM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=542.61'>09:02</a>):</p>
<p>On the other side of the spectrum we can sometimes have an attitude of either feeling like you have to guide the younger workers and you can discount what they don't have in your experience and not take seriously their approach or their ideas. And so I think for all of us, I would say let's start from a place of respect, mutual respect, and treat everybody as a colleague and as a professional. Hear one another out, listen, even when it may be different than the way we do something, because that's going to make work better for all of us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iOktVg5dhL0_YKyDYtrG0yByfUwhQumRiR_KrjAveTcoeci8FA-QOc-iTtLNlyNMEbgsAXLb1LZp7dQ01TL70Mlv15U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=579.72'>09:39</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I couldn't agree more. And leave your perceptions at the door, you know, to your point on the older quote unquote older workers. We've seen the things, you know, we've seen a lot of rodeos and sometimes, you know, we could say, okay, this is probably going to go this way. It's not presuming that, oh, you just don’t know. And I think too, I think all of us along with our perceptions have to sometimes check our attitudes. And it, it could be something that we say without realizing it, or it just comes out of our mouths. We go, oh, didn't mean to say it that way, &lt;laugh&gt;, but you know, at the end of the day, we're all human and stuff happens. But, I agree, it is wild to think that there are at least, goodness, what - five different generations all in the workforce at one time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LYbouYukdcFTx9YuC2fXKRO8Z3yLKvK6X2gPBQ8i4C1DI-JjKzrzRRxzKr6vagKwxZH6cCZqHwj1nduCvWWcoPfMGMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=630.67'>10:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IvTBEUsToU2ECGSMakET4tZ9hSPxbZUcf_hJcMbmb1AeE-9AGmCUjFVpQnhBYk44Jg5IxA0FRV8hhItXwV6HcbWFXNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=631.5'>10:31</a>):</p>
<p>That is wild. It is just wild to think about. And it's kind of exciting, like, rather than look at it as, “Oh no, we're not going to get along.” It's kind of cool. Right? I mean, can you imagine really at what time do we have the opportunity to bring not only a breadth of experience, but also fresh minds and ingenuity all together? How cool is that?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UjSveMpN9YBdYfFzSIusuJpz2YiKf5O_DSKccAozmqhxfutvV92g488XXBEYdA8l5cisWpns2rHc4ZT_obrsa8KGJ5Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=658.53'>10:58</a>):</p>
<p>And I think we can look and say the things that we built, it's really exciting to see it through someone else's eyes. To do it in a new way and to see how we can keep improving and keep moving the profession forward. It can be difficult for us when we do have those clients that have the wrong attitude and view older workers as not up to the task because of our age, but then vice versa. You know, I know that younger people probably feel the same, that they are also unfairly judged sometimes by their youth. And so I think we have to work together as generations to make sure that we are not being discriminatory towards anyone because of age. That we truly are all working towards inclusivity and judging each individual their merits.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgNIDSjfrcbyRBfhCEZZMDuDTGio4M6dSw7InSRPtaDxwj5VQjwYr88Mppmdckxu104U4Ui5esV0DXOCcT9t13zZ8Ak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=715'>11:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And so how, what are some ways that we can do this as solos? Of course, the easy one is get an intern. The Philly PR Association that I belong to, we're working really hard on this. We have a board level position that is focused on college relations. And it's not just, “Hey, kids come to our event.” It's really looking at ways to interact with these young professionals just entering the profession and creating that relationship. Because we know we all benefit from it. So however that works for you in your solo world, try and seek that out. Sometimes as a solo shop who probably works out of a home office, you may be reluctant to bring an intern on thinking, well, goodness, it's not like they're going to come and sit in my kitchen every day. But there are ways &lt;laugh&gt; to engage with an intern where that doesn't have to be the case. You don't have to give them a little cubicle next to the copier that doesn't exist because you're not in a traditional office.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OPNSh82us87JcfDUnpPt44bkszM3LF8I1UNLTbBH0wRX04WnBrEylEhjL_SFNhidxEsfE-hutL25NdokWwoWhs-cYEs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=781.69'>13:01</a>):</p>
<p>In addition to hiring an intern or bringing on somebody that's a different generation or mentoring. I think also when you're in a situation where there is someone of a different generation, make time to get to know that person and what they care about. And I say that's true of everybody. For me, that's part of my client relations is that I definitely want to understand what's important to the company, what the goals are, what they need. But on an individual level, with every contact at the clients, I really want to understand what's motivating them, what's important to them, what are the things that you're trying to accomplish in your job, because that allows you to really establish that one-to-one connection. And so I think that that is really important. Detroit PRSA is doing an event where they're combining baseball with mentoring the younger professionals that I thought that that was a very cool thing.</p>
<p>So maybe you want to get involved in PRSSA too, the student chapters of the PRSA, they are sitting right alongside professionals and learning things. And it's really very valuable for students that are still in college who want to go into the communications field. So yeah, I encourage older workers to, to, you seek out mentoring opportunities. I encourage younger generations to seek those out as well and to be willing to be mentored. But I encourage us all to just be kind, respectful and understand that everyone has something to contribute.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Yns3lOOxPOxjNCugGeICU9cMr6MCCCnBVYTMEax5CA5e9mg-Ex-fRMMKoWJ9FcobmSyhvYOKOPR2YNYPYr1Q-fo8e9A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=888.01'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. You know what, be a good person is basically &lt;laugh&gt; our message today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JHqYSQCoePgCNL9DcZTYbvKX49653Y0D4WKQhSxwb_RjDdU7t0hRNIsHNbyGmjgMzlIId0Zx4sp69nlaop-zVPLBwpY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=895.7'>14:55</a>):</p>
<p>I know Solos do that day in and day out. I think that we want to just continue to motivate you to keep doing what you're doing and spread it because while we in the communications field know and practice this, the world around us doesn't always, and so &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KuRDo_oL_9--mEzZLucQTaGgubLh1p08wwUdA5xcaQpSR2xoGUvmKsRwyRxtwtlEa6N-ZRdz0_esO-Iqc8oFeN8VFA8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=914.33'>15:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Not so much &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OF05-BoyirUj_bMc5DBxkfqANUUgsH_S-Kp4TBzYhVDVaVAdkKFa5q329J9xH8rITuXcyjuc9doF_n9TswBeB02dBeE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=917.63'>15:17</a>):</p>
<p>Let some other people in because unfortunately everybody hasn't gotten that memo.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Ohiyo_nd2KyzmGBO_F70bx9116Ygk4WZmChlHfdEqdDvNimBHljHIU_fpwBhj-VtvI0avTEmmJdli5imyCV4EMW83zE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=925.55'>15:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. So, as we do in many ways blazing the trail lead by example and you know, if enough of us start doing that or continue to do it, there will have to be some kind of ripple effect. I firmly believe that. And I also believe that you are wonderful if you're choosing to spend some time with us today and listen to us, please do share it around. That is probably the nicest thing you could do for us, is to share our content and tell a friend and check us out at soloprpro.com. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Talking About My GenerationThat Solo Life Episode 211
Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:32):
Hey, Michelle. I'm really, really great. One day we are going to have to put together a video of our bloopers, which includes one this morning &lt;laugh&gt;, and put it on YouTube so that people can have a good laugh with us.
Michelle Kane (00:45):
That's right. That's right. Because, you know, as super polished, as we always sound here, &lt;laugh&gt;, it's not always the reality. And you know what? That's okay. Life is messy, and we're going to talk about that a little bit today. We're focusing on the generational divide and how sometimes, especially if you are in an office or if you work on a team with everyone ranging from Gen Z all the way up to Boomers, you know, sometimes work styles differ, tech appreciation differs. And  not to be ageist, because I think sometimes that flows both ways. I've encountered supremely tech savvy Boomers, and I've also encountered not so native Gen Zers, because we all have adapted and used that kind of thing. Things from the tech world in our own way and just, just really work styles. Our experiences inform what we bring to anything and sometimes in the workplace that is intensified. So, we’re going to dig in a little bit on this today.
Karen Swim, APR (01:46):
Yeah. You know, the reason that this topic is so important is because we do, we have like all of these generations in the workforce. And that's crazy, right? I don't remember when I was the age of our Gen Zers, and at the start of my career, I honestly don't remember this many generations being employed at the same time. So times have really changed. And I know that as someone who is nearing the end of my career, it's sometimes difficult to adapt your style. It does take work. It takes being open and flexible, and there are things that we know, knowledge that we have, experiences that we have that can sometimes be frustrating when it seems like we're not being heard or we're not being valued. And I imagine that honestly is true of every generation. So, we all share that. We all want to be heard, we all want to be valued in our work, but as solo PR pros, you know, we're dealing with clients. And so we're in a bit of a different position in that we're not directly managing all of these generations, but we are corralling all of these generations, and we have to communicate internally across the divide. And so, it's well worth it to understand kind of what motivates them.
Michelle Kane (03:16):
Very, very true. And I don't know, I try to look at it this way, right? Just with communicating in general, in a professional setting, I like to vibe off of, well, how are they communicating with me? Are they leading with email or do they prefer hopping on a Zoom, or are they phone call oriented, or are they text oriented? &lt;Laugh&gt;, which I will reserve for a precious view, &lt;laugh&gt;, because I know for me, having to bop around different screens makes me crazy in the head. But that's also why I have a texting app in my browser. So I guess that also speaks to how we make our own accommodations within that realm too, to work in the best way we can while bridging and meeting them where they are.
Karen Swim, APR (04:13):
And I think it's really important, obviously we want to always be client friendly, but in terms of being really inclusive when it comes to generational preferences, I think it's also important to tal]]></itunes:summary>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fmp2cwHrcQFvo1IyH31mgEkw-Xxwo2J-K5moqRFUF6RUl33lFYEHdTQDu5YQDwzeeel3pvmPiId3nR5pW-CgLQ1425w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.5'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How's it going?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7OU1ds_z89WXuTtFKrgf7pKZ4c53GbX31BtvC24-txzGFSWXrsyaggu2Qm3sG7zFHdiWc5tMnKCb6qvxCMesYg4y5cM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.13'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. It's going really well. How good doing this week?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W2Un-UJKef9GNPKf3QQLjZXuBBzVMlU4ad35Hx5wQfSfw0pmA2P6Cr_fHDvUpOuSOwt28wVuMxKn7q6lxUzRNlHDzTQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.48'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, can't complain. Can't complain. Things are moving along, so it's good. Even during the sleepy months of summer, things are popping, so I can't complain. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3c7oKZeLj9BrOfI_NLI0sWLFioaHMictN0qWHdciLWuYlGOhMma3Dsd491bzf5SPfFO8sIr63nyFEC5QuTwykIcfvVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.93'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely this summer has been anything but sleepy, let me tell you. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MA_f8tUe8DwChEFwaEpNcx8kRqLFXcL62L6fT_H-o99oGq51gVmsa_tUJ4CcKsYtrhIfG4Ej_z0gLYPXICNbBs1Hti4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.4'>00:38</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. For sure. And you know, what we want to talk about today is something that sometimes you rely on those sleepy moments to catch up on, which is professional development. How as busy solos do we make the time to keep our tools sharpened? So I'm just going to touch on some points of things that we've been talking about as far as in what areas should you be seeking to learn more? Just learn more about, it may not be something that you practice on your own, but to just have knowledge of it so we can best serve our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Cb6SjD4ChFUC5pnigIJQCFiy3RxjbZhMP7cJDMX7Z4GZhX2Tr4_XW5_V722kA2zi6538egUlkIA4W8ObF51cQjlCq8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.35'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I always like to think of professional development in two buckets. One as personal satisfaction, you know, to sharpen skills that I really enjoy or that I just really have a desire to get better at. And then two, to either acquire or improve skillset where it's going to matter most to the clients that I serve. And so I think that's really important because the way that you can protect your ability to develop business and to develop higher value business is by understanding what are clients searching for? What do they need? Are there any gaps? And what types of skills are they looking for? Easy way to do that is to read job descriptions and see what people are putting out there, see what people are talking about, and that'll give you a clue as to what really is in demand.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/87yy8xhuDJo44iWaqisjTU2SufIlJM2TIYPKwyRvnQT9rRRQQTC3d7AJuxZtHT35EHRN-hqzL98JxfKKZbLKL3VJ3NU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.27'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. So true. And one of the things we've been thinking about as public relations becomes a more integrated practice, you know, you'll hear it the phrase “integrated marketing and PR.” I mean, that's how I present myself, that's how I came up actually. But even if you don't practice the marketing end - knowing about it, the basics, what's new out there right now, you know, what isn't so new, everything comes around again, or as I always preach to my clients, look, we went from fax blasts to email &lt;laugh&gt;. It's like, it's nothing necessarily new, but you should be familiar with some of the tools and just the basic principles, and there are plenty of resources out there. You don't have to kill yourself to get there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IWCortXFmhwmlSuCT-BPxaNfnC-zDbIN3PbycoOmmhrkLpVnk5RNJGY_pye_Ts2kGJJI1mC_QeMA-uJnl251Y4QAiHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=187.45'>03:07</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. I absolutely agree. I was speaking with a PR pro last week that had a good reminder because this professional had said, with all of the social media channels that have popped up since, you know, Twitter has been going through whatever it's been going through &lt;laugh&gt;, there has been a fatigue among all of us, and you just are sick of it. Like you're over it. We join all these things because we're communications professionals, but they had joined Threads immediately and started to play around with it, tested and understand it, and shortly thereafter, a client had sought their counsel on Threads and they were like, I'm so glad that I had actually been there, had gotten the lay of the land and could actually give wise council. So it's things like that, it's being ahead of your clients, right?</p>
<p>And, you know, looking ahead to what you believe, because we're smart people. We have the ability to envision what's going to come and what trends we expect to see. Let that be a factor in what skills you decide to develop. You may decide that there are some skill sets that are worthy of taking certification courses. So maybe it's, you know, a series of workshops over the rest of the summer to get certified in something. Maybe it's something that you want to go and take a class at a, you know, local college, or maybe it's a conference that you want to go to that is going to help you to develop those skill sets, but, you know, be strategic about what you're developing, because I know that many of us love to learn things, and that's great, but we all also had a finite amount of time. So you want to be wise in developing things that are really going to enrich your personal satisfaction in your career, but also increase your value to your clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7d7Je3OELHqEDo0V-xVjdW4Qk2yldtiRzcOViWRR-w8bqR9nbebJ4RyUHZwAvX2NzpC84akjbJZYLJlT3D_gmRLDpxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.01'>05:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that is so true. And also because I know we've all had this happen at least one time across the span of our careers, when that new shiny thing comes out, and there's the client that's gung-ho and just wants, oh, I saw all about this. I want to be in on the shiny thing now. And</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5PFn759GwxQ5T48n-ZyO2P7x_3EedNlHJDFEBYEaqZOWAADBTi7kCD9knLU52iS08Wqa0CrG8IqQq4B-D4eYS2hqhow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.81'>05:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CeAgzsKNui2vWAhVFWHxtGd-AVR_UAZK66EwOm-MGCY3vr0lzPuIylJKKLYlEFe_0qmxHqoxlbLSDaLnKaM_cdyKEDc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.53'>05:26</a>):</p>
<p>You know, not that it's the end of the world if you're caught off guard, but it's nice to be able to say, well, &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GAO0_zTDgSWPKzl0qBFKioxPeds0Z7k77_I20QOL_V-Clx8CpKK3uezmFF_Vq4NjTcr4Znrr8yBtPMFuWQzco-Bnj-A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.56'>05:32</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. That's the best feeling in the world. Yeah. And I celebrate that particular professional because I love when that happens. But that's who we are as solo PR pros. And, let's not forget, one of the bits of our job is to be able to acquire new skill sets and move into new directions quickly. In other words, we're very agile. And when you're in a traditional type setting, you really don't have the ability to do that. You can't just go off and learn whatever you want and decide to incorporate new things into what you do because you don't have the time. And then it's not like you can go change departments on your own. You can't do that. You have to go through channels. And so I love that about us, is that we can quickly respond to market changes. We see something coming and we can hop on it and learn it. Of course, you know, we can't take about, talk about professional development today without addressing AI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lyPW3i_mRYAcebh2tI3cKb4MQCsrNxoxVOqCoLQgAtgnQ1T6nTvSDJj40TE0OOrVPKMau97nc8xvTZeQUQJjG2VVap0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392'>06:32</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Speaking of things to keep track of. And, the essence of that is knowing how to use it, right? Finding out what prompts can serve you well, not just to help you work smarter. Because, and, and I know we've talked about this plenty of times before where it's, at first it felt like cheating, but when you realize that the quality of the output still needs you, it's a huge, huge help. So how can that help you think of new ideas help refine your proposal, help refine your, your strategies, your plants, just so you're not starting from scratch every time?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RvNYMc-FSbWxbOz8A1XJAYvug1eRb_yr2LXbCIJc4LdPtyS_dEa7glb0PxuKXp6bXeZBaVX6M3Nayk0G98XQh4wNe_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.62'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You can use AI to do any number of things, but here's where your value really begins to increase, as well as you learn to use AI for not just the simple, not just for ideation, not just for coming up with maybe some brainstorming headlines or brainstorming content. You start to understand how it works.  And then you begin to understand how to counsel your clients in incorporating AI. Then you're ahead of the game when clients are like, well, can't we just have AI write our blog posts? And then you can counsel them on the strategic way to incorporate AI and how yes, you can have AI be like a little writer's assistant in developing content. So how much of human time and how they can streamline? So put yourself in the position of really learning this tool, understanding what it can and cannot do, understanding the limitations, understanding how to counsel clients through the databases that AI is pulling from the things that they need to check for how they can you, you know, refine AI to really deliver content in their brand voice and aligned with their brand messaging.</p>
<p>So the better you get at it, now you're a strategic counselor in that area too, and you don't have clients coming to you saying, well, can't we just use AI to do PR? Or can't we just use AI to do this? And it's like, yes, you can absolutely use AI as a tool in all of these situations. Here's the best way to do that. And then got them through that, and then bring them into the world. If you were using AI in smart and strategic ways, they're share that with clients. Like, here's what we did. I think that transparency is really important.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JT5BvXHhiQmpBcQCle0tRSi9qKNBJK4NWYX9LvqVSoR61Lc8ncBBawmw-n6NKSns-DVNzMox6h2nXv8Wm_PhxZwrUCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.91'>09:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I totally appreciate a lot of the reticence against it, but it's here. So you definitely want to be the PR pro who knows about it and knows how to use it, even just a little bit, get your feet wet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sKz2SRBtqVUliSdp5GSuxqr3e2-KFz3WPe7m6p-Mxl5QH2h3L2qp1_3wR0jFdANOan7JAaf7Biz3TdVhvN8F17wkUUE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=567.42'>09:27</a>):</p>
<p>Here is the true reality. We do talk, we have this concern about AI taking away jobs or clients prematurely believing that AI technology can replace a human being. This is not new in the history of mankind. Humanity has evolved. Humanity has developed so many things technologically. So with every new tool there came a new way to do things. Some jobs have gone away. We no longer have certain jobs. We no longer call 411 for information to get someone's phone number. We hit Google when we're looking for a number. We don't even use a phone book. So operators don't exist anymore. And if you watch old movies, you know that there used to be operators that actually had to connect actual calls. They sticking those things into the plugs and connecting one call.</p>
<p>We don't need that anymore. There's something that no longer exists, but with jobs going away, new jobs enter the marketplace. And so it's clear that it's up to us as PR pros to upskill ourselves. Companies need to do this with their workers and present opportunities to upskill them as well and prepare them for future work. But for us, that's our job. And so, not just learn AI a little bit, get good at it, learn ai, learn what you can do with it, push it, you know, check it, you know, you can't break it, but you can really learn a lot. And I would say become really astute. Like I am gobbling up courses, workshops, every information, every time somebody releases prompts, I'm like, okay, that's great. Let me try that. Lemme refine that because I don't want to be left behind.</p>
<p>Here's the other area of AI though, that doesn’t get talked about a lot. Learn about the ethical consideration so that you are able to, with confidence, guide your clients in its use. There are some things that I'm seeing that are frightening, and I feel that communicators and professionals need to advocate against those types of uses and we need to stand up for perfect example is what's happening in Hollywood now with studios wanting Yeah. The forever rights to someone's image. This hits intellectual property issues, copyright issues and just power, you know, the power of, you're taking away the power of people to earn a living. So I think there are so many things in this area that if, if this is an area of passion for you, ethics is one of my passions. Become well-versed and what's happening in this, in this area of technology. And you can, again, use this in your client work or in your personal branding work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0T3CDRtOpkifdv_9NlaDBCGnyBOQlZFkjSWE0Th7X7yJ0H68O40hie_fkNbl0dFiQgV93CKBvet9vee61gaIK5FGeYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.31'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. So true. It's here, so get good at it. Do yourself a favor. It's kind of fun. I know I'm weird, but whatever.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_un_7Y_ch_YPxr9Kh6j29dAiOoNzZrFOP9PIf6LmCVXpNMwfvuL-WSQvVEUJ97mK96RVMd_IX3IkEDCEzJd9sycqZ3g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=769.03'>12:49</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, here are some other things that you might not be thinking about. Maybe you are bilingual or trilingual and maybe your language skillset sets have fallen by the wayside. Practice your non-native language because</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i9fWh0H9yemxqG9tdEtUeRXlr-jqAF5jj0S3ERYM62Zy_I2fb_kyXsu8e8ubNgwdZy-Wz5gOTON_OzH88TNLqFvppKA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=784.4'>13:04</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I like it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UxqOtkZYlbSEA5lTVet12JodHv3vQfDyJwU42wHgN0lpkvhsBEzXPYJ1j-e7H1Q4evVax2iFzGBUtd0t9lFqRHkGs7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=785.56'>13:05</a>):</p>
<p>Especially if you’re thinking about moving into different markets. And you know, one of the things that we can do when there's economic turbulence in a region is that we can just deliver business in other regions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zKPm5Cltpp4GY5SQsagbhQSTXoc4awhxkyUVDBHXHCeLt4Dkx4rOjyEDfhXOW535jNYwDjRy9JYjIL7sBXa8Llj9akM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=797.62'>13:17</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F8KdcD0EkeVRaoQnZSZ2mufXS2IwF1iy-Yncl2V1Zgey3mJlcxZiOq-UgK42qh6tkP-YZNnvTAiC2B5Fy0v2AXDpTeU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=798.49'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe you serve a local market, but maybe now you're going out into a different demographic. Maybe you're only US. And are there opportunities that, for example, in other countries that you're missing out on. So, your language skills could be another professional development thing that you do that allows you to now open up and grow your business in a different area.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qMMbmQBRGz_0uxLObD7oqxMoX33mrygEI1C95fPQri_FVq7m9LnxV7j7e0oYpNNWVDI8S3JIc7gxW4tmVWzgKQ5OHhc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=820.9'>13:40</a>):</p>
<p>That's a great idea. And another thing that I know we've talked about, but it doesn't come to mind right away when you think professional development, is that we are all business owners, so brushing up on our business owner skills, spend time with other entrepreneurs. I have to tell you, our local chamber recently had a forum where it was four founders, business owners, and they just shared their story. And three out of the four, I was nodding my head thining, oh my gosh, you two really, you know, like, oh, we started out and it was dodgy and well, this, that and the other. We weren't sure, but we learned and we did, and blah, blah, blah. Try and seek out those kinds of forums. I'm sure there are Ted Talks or things online, or if you want to hear this one hit up, indianvalleychamber.com, it's on their YouTube page.</p>
<p>It was people from totally different industries, but they all had the same experience when they were starting. And also talking about kind of like how it started, how it's going. Spend time with other business owners and learn from each other. That's where, you know, sometimes we silo ourselves in our PR and marketing worlds. And of course we have to keep up with our industry, but spending more time, you know, what's the word? Horizontally across different spheres of professions is going to help you as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RadCdgP93yysmGh2rqYljQgGZM6_vW8NWa9prS2X4wj52blcqgQrDbs7hziZ5C7yYwurUeyPT4Ct2TTLY4m75Von0l4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=907.16'>15:07</a>):</p>
<p>That really excites me, Michelle, because you're right, business acumen is another skill that is worth developing. You know, I, like you, I also try to put myself in the room with people that are further along that are smarter than me always about business and really looking at, you know, my financial management of my business and, you know, really seeking to improve, like really starting to look more closely at like profitability, getting better at me, you know, how I measure success and getting better at managing and being a CEO. Those are skillsets. That's professional development as well. And also the soft skills of business. You know, yes, we're all communicators, but guess what? Learning, upping your speaking game, becoming a better public speaker, becoming a better writer. These are things that I know that we do, but we are, we should always be learning. We should always be growing and developing. None of us will ever reach perfection. So there's always room to go to grow. So don't forget about the things that you might be taking for granted. I know that we're great writers. I know that we're great communicators, but it doesn't mean that we can't get better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HmBNxETxJ97PTWzqiAC69gnCFNQB7i4F_EYK4_ayff4oo20c7eMW0nsb-_Pp7IgUOqRCgM6k-OCJAGpEZfOfCZCRKNk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=985.91'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I know for me, I have to tell myself this, you know, ask someone out to lunch. If it's someone that you know is doing something in business that you really admire or you think you might be able to learn from, everyone's got to eat. Even though, no lie, I'm usually doing the desk picnic, which isn't the best thing in the world. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CogR7k_y8xroL6-nXrhEOdOqDpGi2AurD8NUNA73G-gI-6C4BS9hoZnBr88fHStDY01WU9zMBciI-d4XbQ0AbUg6MiI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1007.9'>16:47</a>):</p>
<p>I love just meeting with people. And you know, sometimes it's been by Zoom, but I will tell you in was that last month, I'm getting my months mixed up, but at some point I got to talk to a bunch of solo PR pros in a single month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cIQ37xA00bAhhe-Z6OvFz2ysYx7Ykc1XcyFOR9n6XTkAiffuMx-Mp9qPr1xhyJDxNl2wbveqCW8WcbElacmTzqg90LM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1023.48'>17:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I remember that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oFs_VanianNVydLI0-8RMIa2oVLxNbUd-Ril8UL2APAo-I6ePLsAIxPiMrqzddSV6Xo4WbWGNVB9rJ_4SRR8340_GuY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1025.18'>17:05</a>):</p>
<p>It was amazing. I was so inspired. I was also very tired because I had some other stuff going on and then I got really behind in work. But I was so inspired by everyone that I spoke with and it really gave me motivation as well. I was there to listen and to encourage, but I got as much as I gave and may and I would say even more. And so don't discount getting together even with another solo. And if you live far apart, do it over Zoom. I am going to try and organize some Zoom network meetings in the fall. I'm going to need August to recover &lt;laugh&gt; &lt;laugh&gt; have a little summer downtime. Plus we're working on some new programs for Solo. But yeah, talk to people. It's, you would be surprised at what a boost it is because I think in this post-Covid era and whatever times we're living in right now, it's easy to forget that we've hit a little bit of a comfort level and we're in a groove. And you may be going back to in-person conferences, but we're saying even on a smaller scale, just grabbing somebody and saying, you know, let's have coffee over Zoom, or Let's meet for coffee. Let's meet for lunch. Let's take a walk together and chat.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XDXCBe7ijqFsOQh6m4Akd-ZThm4xc8mdMtyy1F3H0D9-ZgUiKmKX2yrNz7xcRmW7GDAGCHJaK7wDg4i66xKE51l1WWA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1108.74'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think that's so important. Well, we hope we've inspired you today. Tickled your brain a little bit. Got you thinking about new and different ways that you can work on your professional development. And if you do value this, please share it around, share it on your socials. Hit us up with your comments at soloprpro.com. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fmp2cwHrcQFvo1IyH31mgEkw-Xxwo2J-K5moqRFUF6RUl33lFYEHdTQDu5YQDwzeeel3pvmPiId3nR5pW-CgLQ1425w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1.5'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How's it going?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7OU1ds_z89WXuTtFKrgf7pKZ4c53GbX31BtvC24-txzGFSWXrsyaggu2Qm3sG7zFHdiWc5tMnKCb6qvxCMesYg4y5cM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=17.13'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hi, Michelle. It's going really well. How good doing this week?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W2Un-UJKef9GNPKf3QQLjZXuBBzVMlU4ad35Hx5wQfSfw0pmA2P6Cr_fHDvUpOuSOwt28wVuMxKn7q6lxUzRNlHDzTQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=21.48'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, can't complain. Can't complain. Things are moving along, so it's good. Even during the sleepy months of summer, things are popping, so I can't complain. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3c7oKZeLj9BrOfI_NLI0sWLFioaHMictN0qWHdciLWuYlGOhMma3Dsd491bzf5SPfFO8sIr63nyFEC5QuTwykIcfvVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=33.93'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely this summer has been anything but sleepy, let me tell you. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MA_f8tUe8DwChEFwaEpNcx8kRqLFXcL62L6fT_H-o99oGq51gVmsa_tUJ4CcKsYtrhIfG4Ej_z0gLYPXICNbBs1Hti4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=38.4'>00:38</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. For sure. And you know, what we want to talk about today is something that sometimes you rely on those sleepy moments to catch up on, which is professional development. How as busy solos do we make the time to keep our tools sharpened? So I'm just going to touch on some points of things that we've been talking about as far as in what areas should you be seeking to learn more? Just learn more about, it may not be something that you practice on your own, but to just have knowledge of it so we can best serve our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Cb6SjD4ChFUC5pnigIJQCFiy3RxjbZhMP7cJDMX7Z4GZhX2Tr4_XW5_V722kA2zi6538egUlkIA4W8ObF51cQjlCq8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=76.35'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I always like to think of professional development in two buckets. One as personal satisfaction, you know, to sharpen skills that I really enjoy or that I just really have a desire to get better at. And then two, to either acquire or improve skillset where it's going to matter most to the clients that I serve. And so I think that's really important because the way that you can protect your ability to develop business and to develop higher value business is by understanding what are clients searching for? What do they need? Are there any gaps? And what types of skills are they looking for? Easy way to do that is to read job descriptions and see what people are putting out there, see what people are talking about, and that'll give you a clue as to what really is in demand.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/87yy8xhuDJo44iWaqisjTU2SufIlJM2TIYPKwyRvnQT9rRRQQTC3d7AJuxZtHT35EHRN-hqzL98JxfKKZbLKL3VJ3NU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=129.27'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. So true. And one of the things we've been thinking about as public relations becomes a more integrated practice, you know, you'll hear it the phrase “integrated marketing and PR.” I mean, that's how I present myself, that's how I came up actually. But even if you don't practice the marketing end - knowing about it, the basics, what's new out there right now, you know, what isn't so new, everything comes around again, or as I always preach to my clients, look, we went from fax blasts to email &lt;laugh&gt;. It's like, it's nothing necessarily new, but you should be familiar with some of the tools and just the basic principles, and there are plenty of resources out there. You don't have to kill yourself to get there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IWCortXFmhwmlSuCT-BPxaNfnC-zDbIN3PbycoOmmhrkLpVnk5RNJGY_pye_Ts2kGJJI1mC_QeMA-uJnl251Y4QAiHY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=187.45'>03:07</a>):</p>
<p>For sure. I absolutely agree. I was speaking with a PR pro last week that had a good reminder because this professional had said, with all of the social media channels that have popped up since, you know, Twitter has been going through whatever it's been going through &lt;laugh&gt;, there has been a fatigue among all of us, and you just are sick of it. Like you're over it. We join all these things because we're communications professionals, but they had joined Threads immediately and started to play around with it, tested and understand it, and shortly thereafter, a client had sought their counsel on Threads and they were like, I'm so glad that I had actually been there, had gotten the lay of the land and could actually give wise council. So it's things like that, it's being ahead of your clients, right?</p>
<p>And, you know, looking ahead to what you believe, because we're smart people. We have the ability to envision what's going to come and what trends we expect to see. Let that be a factor in what skills you decide to develop. You may decide that there are some skill sets that are worthy of taking certification courses. So maybe it's, you know, a series of workshops over the rest of the summer to get certified in something. Maybe it's something that you want to go and take a class at a, you know, local college, or maybe it's a conference that you want to go to that is going to help you to develop those skill sets, but, you know, be strategic about what you're developing, because I know that many of us love to learn things, and that's great, but we all also had a finite amount of time. So you want to be wise in developing things that are really going to enrich your personal satisfaction in your career, but also increase your value to your clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7d7Je3OELHqEDo0V-xVjdW4Qk2yldtiRzcOViWRR-w8bqR9nbebJ4RyUHZwAvX2NzpC84akjbJZYLJlT3D_gmRLDpxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=309.01'>05:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that is so true. And also because I know we've all had this happen at least one time across the span of our careers, when that new shiny thing comes out, and there's the client that's gung-ho and just wants, oh, I saw all about this. I want to be in on the shiny thing now. And</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5PFn759GwxQ5T48n-ZyO2P7x_3EedNlHJDFEBYEaqZOWAADBTi7kCD9knLU52iS08Wqa0CrG8IqQq4B-D4eYS2hqhow?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=325.81'>05:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CeAgzsKNui2vWAhVFWHxtGd-AVR_UAZK66EwOm-MGCY3vr0lzPuIylJKKLYlEFe_0qmxHqoxlbLSDaLnKaM_cdyKEDc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=326.53'>05:26</a>):</p>
<p>You know, not that it's the end of the world if you're caught off guard, but it's nice to be able to say, well, &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GAO0_zTDgSWPKzl0qBFKioxPeds0Z7k77_I20QOL_V-Clx8CpKK3uezmFF_Vq4NjTcr4Znrr8yBtPMFuWQzco-Bnj-A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=332.56'>05:32</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. That's the best feeling in the world. Yeah. And I celebrate that particular professional because I love when that happens. But that's who we are as solo PR pros. And, let's not forget, one of the bits of our job is to be able to acquire new skill sets and move into new directions quickly. In other words, we're very agile. And when you're in a traditional type setting, you really don't have the ability to do that. You can't just go off and learn whatever you want and decide to incorporate new things into what you do because you don't have the time. And then it's not like you can go change departments on your own. You can't do that. You have to go through channels. And so I love that about us, is that we can quickly respond to market changes. We see something coming and we can hop on it and learn it. Of course, you know, we can't take about, talk about professional development today without addressing AI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lyPW3i_mRYAcebh2tI3cKb4MQCsrNxoxVOqCoLQgAtgnQ1T6nTvSDJj40TE0OOrVPKMau97nc8xvTZeQUQJjG2VVap0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=392'>06:32</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Speaking of things to keep track of. And, the essence of that is knowing how to use it, right? Finding out what prompts can serve you well, not just to help you work smarter. Because, and, and I know we've talked about this plenty of times before where it's, at first it felt like cheating, but when you realize that the quality of the output still needs you, it's a huge, huge help. So how can that help you think of new ideas help refine your proposal, help refine your, your strategies, your plants, just so you're not starting from scratch every time?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RvNYMc-FSbWxbOz8A1XJAYvug1eRb_yr2LXbCIJc4LdPtyS_dEa7glb0PxuKXp6bXeZBaVX6M3Nayk0G98XQh4wNe_M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=435.62'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You can use AI to do any number of things, but here's where your value really begins to increase, as well as you learn to use AI for not just the simple, not just for ideation, not just for coming up with maybe some brainstorming headlines or brainstorming content. You start to understand how it works.  And then you begin to understand how to counsel your clients in incorporating AI. Then you're ahead of the game when clients are like, well, can't we just have AI write our blog posts? And then you can counsel them on the strategic way to incorporate AI and how yes, you can have AI be like a little writer's assistant in developing content. So how much of human time and how they can streamline? So put yourself in the position of really learning this tool, understanding what it can and cannot do, understanding the limitations, understanding how to counsel clients through the databases that AI is pulling from the things that they need to check for how they can you, you know, refine AI to really deliver content in their brand voice and aligned with their brand messaging.</p>
<p>So the better you get at it, now you're a strategic counselor in that area too, and you don't have clients coming to you saying, well, can't we just use AI to do PR? Or can't we just use AI to do this? And it's like, yes, you can absolutely use AI as a tool in all of these situations. Here's the best way to do that. And then got them through that, and then bring them into the world. If you were using AI in smart and strategic ways, they're share that with clients. Like, here's what we did. I think that transparency is really important.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JT5BvXHhiQmpBcQCle0tRSi9qKNBJK4NWYX9LvqVSoR61Lc8ncBBawmw-n6NKSns-DVNzMox6h2nXv8Wm_PhxZwrUCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=548.91'>09:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I totally appreciate a lot of the reticence against it, but it's here. So you definitely want to be the PR pro who knows about it and knows how to use it, even just a little bit, get your feet wet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sKz2SRBtqVUliSdp5GSuxqr3e2-KFz3WPe7m6p-Mxl5QH2h3L2qp1_3wR0jFdANOan7JAaf7Biz3TdVhvN8F17wkUUE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=567.42'>09:27</a>):</p>
<p>Here is the true reality. We do talk, we have this concern about AI taking away jobs or clients prematurely believing that AI technology can replace a human being. This is not new in the history of mankind. Humanity has evolved. Humanity has developed so many things technologically. So with every new tool there came a new way to do things. Some jobs have gone away. We no longer have certain jobs. We no longer call 411 for information to get someone's phone number. We hit Google when we're looking for a number. We don't even use a phone book. So operators don't exist anymore. And if you watch old movies, you know that there used to be operators that actually had to connect actual calls. They sticking those things into the plugs and connecting one call.</p>
<p>We don't need that anymore. There's something that no longer exists, but with jobs going away, new jobs enter the marketplace. And so it's clear that it's up to us as PR pros to upskill ourselves. Companies need to do this with their workers and present opportunities to upskill them as well and prepare them for future work. But for us, that's our job. And so, not just learn AI a little bit, get good at it, learn ai, learn what you can do with it, push it, you know, check it, you know, you can't break it, but you can really learn a lot. And I would say become really astute. Like I am gobbling up courses, workshops, every information, every time somebody releases prompts, I'm like, okay, that's great. Let me try that. Lemme refine that because I don't want to be left behind.</p>
<p>Here's the other area of AI though, that doesn’t get talked about a lot. Learn about the ethical consideration so that you are able to, with confidence, guide your clients in its use. There are some things that I'm seeing that are frightening, and I feel that communicators and professionals need to advocate against those types of uses and we need to stand up for perfect example is what's happening in Hollywood now with studios wanting Yeah. The forever rights to someone's image. This hits intellectual property issues, copyright issues and just power, you know, the power of, you're taking away the power of people to earn a living. So I think there are so many things in this area that if, if this is an area of passion for you, ethics is one of my passions. Become well-versed and what's happening in this, in this area of technology. And you can, again, use this in your client work or in your personal branding work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0T3CDRtOpkifdv_9NlaDBCGnyBOQlZFkjSWE0Th7X7yJ0H68O40hie_fkNbl0dFiQgV93CKBvet9vee61gaIK5FGeYc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=759.31'>12:39</a>):</p>
<p>That's so true. So true. It's here, so get good at it. Do yourself a favor. It's kind of fun. I know I'm weird, but whatever.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_un_7Y_ch_YPxr9Kh6j29dAiOoNzZrFOP9PIf6LmCVXpNMwfvuL-WSQvVEUJ97mK96RVMd_IX3IkEDCEzJd9sycqZ3g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=769.03'>12:49</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, here are some other things that you might not be thinking about. Maybe you are bilingual or trilingual and maybe your language skillset sets have fallen by the wayside. Practice your non-native language because</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i9fWh0H9yemxqG9tdEtUeRXlr-jqAF5jj0S3ERYM62Zy_I2fb_kyXsu8e8ubNgwdZy-Wz5gOTON_OzH88TNLqFvppKA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=784.4'>13:04</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I like it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UxqOtkZYlbSEA5lTVet12JodHv3vQfDyJwU42wHgN0lpkvhsBEzXPYJ1j-e7H1Q4evVax2iFzGBUtd0t9lFqRHkGs7Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=785.56'>13:05</a>):</p>
<p>Especially if you’re thinking about moving into different markets. And you know, one of the things that we can do when there's economic turbulence in a region is that we can just deliver business in other regions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zKPm5Cltpp4GY5SQsagbhQSTXoc4awhxkyUVDBHXHCeLt4Dkx4rOjyEDfhXOW535jNYwDjRy9JYjIL7sBXa8Llj9akM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=797.62'>13:17</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F8KdcD0EkeVRaoQnZSZ2mufXS2IwF1iy-Yncl2V1Zgey3mJlcxZiOq-UgK42qh6tkP-YZNnvTAiC2B5Fy0v2AXDpTeU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=798.49'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe you serve a local market, but maybe now you're going out into a different demographic. Maybe you're only US. And are there opportunities that, for example, in other countries that you're missing out on. So, your language skills could be another professional development thing that you do that allows you to now open up and grow your business in a different area.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qMMbmQBRGz_0uxLObD7oqxMoX33mrygEI1C95fPQri_FVq7m9LnxV7j7e0oYpNNWVDI8S3JIc7gxW4tmVWzgKQ5OHhc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=820.9'>13:40</a>):</p>
<p>That's a great idea. And another thing that I know we've talked about, but it doesn't come to mind right away when you think professional development, is that we are all business owners, so brushing up on our business owner skills, spend time with other entrepreneurs. I have to tell you, our local chamber recently had a forum where it was four founders, business owners, and they just shared their story. And three out of the four, I was nodding my head thining, oh my gosh, you two really, you know, like, oh, we started out and it was dodgy and well, this, that and the other. We weren't sure, but we learned and we did, and blah, blah, blah. Try and seek out those kinds of forums. I'm sure there are Ted Talks or things online, or if you want to hear this one hit up, indianvalleychamber.com, it's on their YouTube page.</p>
<p>It was people from totally different industries, but they all had the same experience when they were starting. And also talking about kind of like how it started, how it's going. Spend time with other business owners and learn from each other. That's where, you know, sometimes we silo ourselves in our PR and marketing worlds. And of course we have to keep up with our industry, but spending more time, you know, what's the word? Horizontally across different spheres of professions is going to help you as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RadCdgP93yysmGh2rqYljQgGZM6_vW8NWa9prS2X4wj52blcqgQrDbs7hziZ5C7yYwurUeyPT4Ct2TTLY4m75Von0l4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=907.16'>15:07</a>):</p>
<p>That really excites me, Michelle, because you're right, business acumen is another skill that is worth developing. You know, I, like you, I also try to put myself in the room with people that are further along that are smarter than me always about business and really looking at, you know, my financial management of my business and, you know, really seeking to improve, like really starting to look more closely at like profitability, getting better at me, you know, how I measure success and getting better at managing and being a CEO. Those are skillsets. That's professional development as well. And also the soft skills of business. You know, yes, we're all communicators, but guess what? Learning, upping your speaking game, becoming a better public speaker, becoming a better writer. These are things that I know that we do, but we are, we should always be learning. We should always be growing and developing. None of us will ever reach perfection. So there's always room to go to grow. So don't forget about the things that you might be taking for granted. I know that we're great writers. I know that we're great communicators, but it doesn't mean that we can't get better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HmBNxETxJ97PTWzqiAC69gnCFNQB7i4F_EYK4_ayff4oo20c7eMW0nsb-_Pp7IgUOqRCgM6k-OCJAGpEZfOfCZCRKNk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=985.91'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I know for me, I have to tell myself this, you know, ask someone out to lunch. If it's someone that you know is doing something in business that you really admire or you think you might be able to learn from, everyone's got to eat. Even though, no lie, I'm usually doing the desk picnic, which isn't the best thing in the world. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CogR7k_y8xroL6-nXrhEOdOqDpGi2AurD8NUNA73G-gI-6C4BS9hoZnBr88fHStDY01WU9zMBciI-d4XbQ0AbUg6MiI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1007.9'>16:47</a>):</p>
<p>I love just meeting with people. And you know, sometimes it's been by Zoom, but I will tell you in was that last month, I'm getting my months mixed up, but at some point I got to talk to a bunch of solo PR pros in a single month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cIQ37xA00bAhhe-Z6OvFz2ysYx7Ykc1XcyFOR9n6XTkAiffuMx-Mp9qPr1xhyJDxNl2wbveqCW8WcbElacmTzqg90LM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1023.48'>17:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I remember that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oFs_VanianNVydLI0-8RMIa2oVLxNbUd-Ril8UL2APAo-I6ePLsAIxPiMrqzddSV6Xo4WbWGNVB9rJ_4SRR8340_GuY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1025.18'>17:05</a>):</p>
<p>It was amazing. I was so inspired. I was also very tired because I had some other stuff going on and then I got really behind in work. But I was so inspired by everyone that I spoke with and it really gave me motivation as well. I was there to listen and to encourage, but I got as much as I gave and may and I would say even more. And so don't discount getting together even with another solo. And if you live far apart, do it over Zoom. I am going to try and organize some Zoom network meetings in the fall. I'm going to need August to recover &lt;laugh&gt; &lt;laugh&gt; have a little summer downtime. Plus we're working on some new programs for Solo. But yeah, talk to people. It's, you would be surprised at what a boost it is because I think in this post-Covid era and whatever times we're living in right now, it's easy to forget that we've hit a little bit of a comfort level and we're in a groove. And you may be going back to in-person conferences, but we're saying even on a smaller scale, just grabbing somebody and saying, you know, let's have coffee over Zoom, or Let's meet for coffee. Let's meet for lunch. Let's take a walk together and chat.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XDXCBe7ijqFsOQh6m4Akd-ZThm4xc8mdMtyy1F3H0D9-ZgUiKmKX2yrNz7xcRmW7GDAGCHJaK7wDg4i66xKE51l1WWA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1108.74'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think that's so important. Well, we hope we've inspired you today. Tickled your brain a little bit. Got you thinking about new and different ways that you can work on your professional development. And if you do value this, please share it around, share it on your socials. Hit us up with your comments at soloprpro.com. And until next time, thank you for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:01):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host Karen Swim with Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How's it going?
Karen Swim, APR (00:17):
Hi, Michelle. It's going really well. How good doing this week?
Michelle Kane (00:21):
Hey, can't complain. Can't complain. Things are moving along, so it's good. Even during the sleepy months of summer, things are popping, so I can't complain. &lt;Laugh&gt;,
Karen Swim, APR (00:33):
Definitely this summer has been anything but sleepy, let me tell you. &lt;Laugh&gt;.
Michelle Kane (00:38):
For sure. For sure. And you know, what we want to talk about today is something that sometimes you rely on those sleepy moments to catch up on, which is professional development. How as busy solos do we make the time to keep our tools sharpened? So I'm just going to touch on some points of things that we've been talking about as far as in what areas should you be seeking to learn more? Just learn more about, it may not be something that you practice on your own, but to just have knowledge of it so we can best serve our clients.
Karen Swim, APR (01:16):
Yeah. I always like to think of professional development in two buckets. One as personal satisfaction, you know, to sharpen skills that I really enjoy or that I just really have a desire to get better at. And then two, to either acquire or improve skillset where it's going to matter most to the clients that I serve. And so I think that's really important because the way that you can protect your ability to develop business and to develop higher value business is by understanding what are clients searching for? What do they need? Are there any gaps? And what types of skills are they looking for? Easy way to do that is to read job descriptions and see what people are putting out there, see what people are talking about, and that'll give you a clue as to what really is in demand.
Michelle Kane (02:09):
Yeah, that's so true. So true. And one of the things we've been thinking about as public relations becomes a more integrated practice, you know, you'll hear it the phrase “integrated marketing and PR.” I mean, that's how I present myself, that's how I came up actually. But even if you don't practice the marketing end - knowing about it, the basics, what's new out there right now, you know, what isn't so new, everything comes around again, or as I always preach to my clients, look, we went from fax blasts to email &lt;laugh&gt;. It's like, it's nothing necessarily new, but you should be familiar with some of the tools and just the basic principles, and there are plenty of resources out there. You don't have to kill yourself to get there.
Karen Swim, APR (03:07):
For sure. I absolutely agree. I was speaking with a PR pro last week that had a good reminder because this professional had said, with all of the social media channels that have popped up since, you know, Twitter has been going through whatever it's been going through &lt;laugh&gt;, there has been a fatigue among all of us, and you just are sick of it. Like you're over it. We join all these things because we're communications professionals, but they had joined Threads immediately and started to play around with it, tested and understand it, and shortly thereafter, a client had sought their counsel on Threads and they were like, I'm so glad that I had actually been there, had gotten the lay of the land and could actually give wise council. So it's things like that, it's being ahead of your clients, right?
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XH9pOO01krn8o7Zqbe1h2XqRRR9CnHRwgGwnnc_T63_wnaoU43C3zz47yHAcdxgMkS6DkH_psmx3fRPbs04ocsPjjwQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.25'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you? Or should I say, “Hi, Barbie?”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-YqvJR9Fq0WHrnFENMnFjCkb1tBPLFUzXjlRvMSa1nkpLzIpiGokauMvZ5xcHcJEbsz9NT2UOpULrY-1K57iVB5jE38?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.49'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I don't know what Barbie I am today. Hi Michelle. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jLmJOWIRoYtt7M37XFqBYCleLCD1CYyPJfvVDzF5Mox5wE_80Bn1zCbbgTA9GBCGYhOBECvLKRYv-dYN4liXkhOIr1Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.01'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I am Holding It Together Barbie today. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HIoGslMvkyh28xeQXBXGbRO5K4hs49qBDGVT0OV-RqnqouWr13NwlwyJzZHGI2MpB5cRMa-wag5xRthIfTvJy7k8KCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.15'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>I might be, I'm, you know, I think saying Not Sure What Barbie I Am Today is probably pretty accurate for most days of the week for me lately.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CwWyiY-yBfWw2764j90Lf8AIigoW97xtFqt1sWx8nwQzciYTLMnznaaPmDTx3GvtYPOzJ9qwq3Ks2B2KIxWETe10KMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.5'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I hear you. I hear you. It's, I don't know why. I'm always surprised when I'm surprised by how days can unfold &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q28jDEl-c_13L9JzUHCpu3Fln-EaGgVGQudm6hM_-RXq0qTm5e8EljZQ_sTwV62fIQzyG_hfPZsWoIywn9Fi8j4zrqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.84'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. This summer has been particularly eventful for, for most people. I'm finding it's not just, just PR pros. In my past, in my past PR life, &lt;laugh&gt;, summer is always a quiet time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RVCOBCLZnKWlFEPd8MY66bbWl-ihP0IfxXlYV69RSnk4LL8ylgrY6bQSggZ694_wkYyMrJc73_j6Jxex12v5gs0AEwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.22'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. No more</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KZ_37Zb3nf6QGyPVWVAAtzfFhuOwYeyAzRjFk1Zmun767SNr14n4s3qmclr7emIMfoWoFahKlsLqk89wquj99nDnj_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.8'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>I don't know. I don't know anything anymore. I don't know if it's going to hail or snow or rain in the middle of August. I don't know. I just don't know. So that's the way that I approach my days these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/skU6SLxqhlSxiDI70LsCvbThPnzDI-VcoYR4RHLytFaE3zi2UGwzQj-evZ0vmYmSURvGBZlFS9qsACLWT9ebGTU6EVo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.73'>01:23</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lWCSKGNimOVbvPSvsy7ScrkvK_6keRsrQmHYruWtxVDIWa62LLblRruvoLjF13ngvsxZDjyNmE8NlY4u2ImzCawDq4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.57'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>Optimism, knowing that anything could happen. And you know what? We used to say, when pigs fly, and now that just doesn't even seem out of the realm of possibility</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uof0F377NSP2BwP2vgec93DDLyiWWtWsVd_qCVq0eFePCCHYMMoXUIeuSjccAAjc9Fxp-wAG8R9LAFSZPyNrkyjH5KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.52'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>I hear that might be being worked on. Who knows? I'm sure &lt;laugh&gt; No, sure. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q61Q3YT_OFrsfsybsfCufVCqnCHEcqrc9WAc3L1cYVI0258EhpsyDf9M7eIUxglSYqaOnH2HrZZ06LxHsf3lEMsFOgA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.68'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>Elon Musk is figuring that out.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vRRxRjlPK8AePNy5Kh-LmpxKCzCaLpjRg3XwKYpfmOVWuo5CNKqKOLTgl-IvoprRD0PDQ2pJo-lR4mhAo0WYfwEzK24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.6'>01:42</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, goodness. I'm sure he is. So, as you might've guessed, today's episode, we're just going to do a pop culture PR check-in because as this is airing, this will hit right after the second weekend of Barbenheimer. So I don't know if many of you have seen either Barbie or Oppenheimer, but there's a lot to admire about the PR that's gone into it and just, there's just a lot of points to consider, especially through the PR lens. I mean, first of all, that even though I know personally and across the board it's been really challenging to get people to engage in the way they did in the before times, especially in-person events, things like that. Just because our priorities have shifted, our time, the way we spend our time has changed. Anyway, all that to say, in the midst of all that, a ton of people went back to the movie theater. To either Barbie or Oppenheimer, they’re smashing records. So it's pretty amazing. And unless you've, you know, truly been checking out this summer, and if you have good for you it's kind of hard to miss any of the promotion for either Barbie or Oppenheimer. And I have a pretty low, low bar for being annoyed by this kind of thing, and I'm not annoyed yet. So they must be doing something right, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pxiwi5KZS-5j1zxHiKtcHkUXbjCEvmeZq6WsHXJL4yNeyaZzBWYs23CqbLcPe9QN7yCH1fy3IGsT46UJduyZ8GlISnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=192.55'>03:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think from a PR perspective, and many PR professionals have noted this on social media, that this was really a masterclass in a great execution of a campaign. So a couple of things that stood out to me from the communication side for Barbie in particular is that number one, it just reinforces what we as PR pros know to be true. That having a strategic plan that is comprehensive and robust and the time to be able to execute that plan means everything. Because this did not come together in months. This was a plan that rolled out over a long period of time, and it was a campaign that incorporated not just that lever of earned media, it was paid, it was the PESO formula. It’s beautifully done. It also stood out to me that going into the planning of the messaging, they understood that there were people that don't like Barbie. Maybe not passionate activists against Barbie but the people that just don't like Barbie or have an issue with it. And rather than trying to navigate around that, they leaned into that and considered that their audience as well and developed messaging that embraced the detraction. And I thought, beautifully done, because sometimes we want to avoid, you know, the “antis” &lt;laugh&gt;. Right. And rather than doing that, they fully embraced that. And I thought that that was genius.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jUNEqEy0V95fG8VbJ9mpaKAY2qGDO1470_mtJ9A1etDSkTQijpUsGAoSShwATvil0d6ZHM0kpQ3Sp-AnjD89eOXgdno?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=307.3'>05:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. They really did. I mean, even for those who have not seen the film, I won't reveal a whole lot. But there's definitely the acknowledgement that Barbie is somewhat problematic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AVZLWFzXOb-r26A03xJZxOPOkjQZ8692VtZU2CekjcTZ0sjN3mUeq7UPcnxh55Bs9JeERspiqZ-bmC5nEc7nTG5vXk0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=320.29'>05:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RvJ5lD4tbeNVQZTDQDhoEXMKEY8RiwA8KV3bkEV_V6vB_kG7eqPmpojpLT6biRceLNnqRWuvz97CnAyPKuhAE9UAgfE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=321.04'>05:21</a>):</p>
<p>But as anything, many things are full of shades of gray. And what I thought was incredible was that even though Barbie's a Warner Brothers film, Oppenheimer, I believe is with Universal, they played well together. I mean, they're building on the whole Barbenheimer of it all. What sticks out to me, like you said, with this long game, I mean, it started with the set photos of Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie in their full on neon roller blades, to make people take notice. And that was, gosh, easily, at least a year ago, to make us say, “Oh my, what is that? Oh, so this is how it's going to come together. Okay. I'm intrigued…” and just, then go about our lives. But even, I don't know if you saw the photos of I think it was Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig at the movies holding their tickets for Oppenheimer. And then, everyone was kind of returning the favor of I got my tickets to Barbie of I just, that collegiality that built up, “Hey, you know, we're all in this together” and “There's enough room for everyone.” Let's, you know, as the little jingle says, let's all go to the movies &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rog1soxLpJIExHQx-Dxa8i-P_ZqdIdCKV3-6V3n8gh0WZqyNd40SWP1M-_FIIdPXhsLUDAomShLgMaIK7kZ9-YqH6WU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=394.96'>06:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think the first trailer was, it was a weird one for Barbie. And they didn't realize that it would be so popular. In full disclosure, I have not seen the movie. Yet. So, my discussion about this is purely from looking at it from the comms perspective, and what I've read and what I've seen on the story behind how this all came together. I know that this was a well-executed campaign because I’m actually planning on going to see a movie that I probably never would've planned to see. Because there's something special about having this environment again, of the summer blockbuster and having everyone talking about it, because let's face it, with streaming, you know, there's a pocket of people that may talk about something, but it's not the same as when something grabs hold of the culture and people are dressing up and they're excited. And I'm here for it. I love it. I'm so glad. This makes me very happy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jDfCqT0p9VbLg2hw1OXszxr-pBBZTwH5rbvsWl96Q-hUQgr0jF5dSDCN0c4YpClAWMOR-jcMh7E2YeuHJMDWkY7XWQY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.66'>07:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it shows that we can have those experiences again, where everyone is, let's say most everyone, is excited about gathering together and just really getting involved or getting caught up in the excitement of it all. So that's been encouraging and it's just been a fun ride all around just to see how this has rolled out and to see how it continues to. And it also speaks to another thing that we are hungry for - original stories. I mean, certainly, you know, Oppenheimer's a real person, Barbie's a doll, but, you know, just refreshing to see something that doesn't have a “part six” at the end of it. I think we might be at the end of those rides, but who knows? What do I know? I'm not a studio executive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wHZMXc55Tv7lNFMRVY-UtxcrRYGJW5xVuCXr_A5qVFDBR-FOBXEMmfQbB5mpc9rGLRrVGWTXX4LCIEdQE8tMQFkzuqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.96'>08:41</a>):</p>
<p>You know what I love? So yes, Barbie has been problematic as a child. It wasn't necessarily problematic for me. There were issues that even I, as a small child realized playing with my Barbies, and I gravitated towards, you know, my personality  gravitated not towards Barbie and Ken, but you know, towards Skipper, who no one remembers. But over the years, obviously as I became an adult,  I really began to have issues with it. And what I kind of love about this, and this segues into something else we can't avoid talking about, is that the Barbie brand has evolved over the years. And they've evolved their brand in a way that was acceptable to their audiences and they attracted new audiences. It was exciting to me to listen to one of the teens on my street and see her bouncy, happy about wanting to go see Barbie and her knowing Barbie from the cartoons.</p>
<p>But they didn't, you know, they didn't run away from the problematic past. This is part of the whole story of Barbie, and they understood that Barbie's embedded in our cultural discussions, it's an icon. They didn't rebrand arbitrarily. They could have done that. Mattel could have created something else and just steered away from Barbie in the problematic era, but instead they did not do that. I'm going to say that in my opinion, that's the smarter way versus Elon Musk and Twitter running from their problematic past. And I don't know if that was the motivation and rebranding something that it has been such an important icon in our history. Twitter is Twitter. We grew up with the Twitter bird, with the Twitter sounds, the bird sounds, it's has meaning, it has cultural significance, good, bad, ugly. I'm not quite sure why this company would lean away from what has been such an important institution for people and one that's recognizable.</p>
<p>Can we just talk about brand recognition? It's baffling. Why would you change the name? Which to me feels like a personal, very egotistical thing in that here's a person who names his children these, so it feels like this was personal and not a brand decision, which completely disregards your audience that it's there, or at least to win back and you have an opportunity to win back new fans. You really do, because no one has replaced Twitter as of today. There are lots of other social media platforms they're not catching on in the same way. There's still something different about Twitter, although people are now not participating there, myself included, because it's a trash platform. But I just, you know, just to contrast, here's a company that did it right and owned the failures and mistakes and went through some really hard times where they were really not the beloved brand, but they didn't change their name and forget they didn't try to trick their audience. Like, Hey, we're this now &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W5duXLCCbcwecntz8chm1Kmt5_Po6inPT_ilFRiMT_J63RPizVvToGWOeJWoIt5QFo2n1ZKIlN2QCo9qCaT2W__pjEE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=742.54'>12:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, I'm seeing a couple of things. The, the first is, and forgive me, I forget the reporter's name, but he brought to light that this is not Elon's first rodeo with trying to rename something “X” apparently when in 2000, when he was leading PayPal, he wanted to do the same thing and he wanted to make it almost like in in Asia where they have the WeChat, he wants this “X” to be an all-purpose thing. And it's like, okay, well even if that's your intent, what sense does it make to completely trash the running thing you bought, decimate your staff? I mean, there's something off there that we all know, once you get into that stratosphere of being a billionaire, you're not making rational decisions. And the other disturbing trend is, I was just reading comments of a thread of people pointing out this very thing, this doesn't make sense. It's not good business. It got you in trouble before, it got you ousted before. And yet there's still the fan base of “Oh no. Secretly he is the super genius that knows what he's doing. You just wait and see.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DwBIfonW9S0KXd-Z9UuPb59b-IgBNu4UqdgkDiFU47_iakYHq8kVMH_7tNBNJLHs0WDTffoycndBgr6xjdPCkICNIAY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=812.46'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>And not to take anything away from Elon Musk, he is brilliant. Let let's just be clear on that. No one is disputing his intelligence.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-i2ovmrfXqDUYZjzs2f5g5YHTgEEIff7SvvBcKhRBroIJbJf1yssk5BJ97bzALA655K5qToR04OwNXKfLeGHf0RwHEk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=831.76'>13:51</a>):</p>
<p>I am…&lt;laughs&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xXMxHHhunX1sr-UGN2jRvz-WmR3tPYM3_e3qaICu5sO5mWB2zEZYfOM9z1E-zlG5sNzSB8PB1mrdc6B8K7LVFcZBN7w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=832.9'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>What I am contrasting is that I feel like this particular business decision is, it's just a bad decision. And it's not something from a communication standpoint that any of us in this audience would ever have said, sure, let's do that. Because there's no reasoning behind it. And again, as public relations professionals, part of our job is protecting our publics. And I feel like this really dismisses your publics and I'm totally not sure that it's going to lead to the ultimate goal of winning back advertisers or having people want to pay a premium to use this service. I think it just continues to drive away. And maybe that's the goal. Maybe it's to drive away all of the old users and turn this into a political platform that is very much focused on one political party or one political point of view, and have it be all brand new. And, and if that's the goal, then have at it, you know?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/y3qLLbTjuXZ1P1wqdFG9Yut2QF_o-fnN-kBko5Rb2CAKIJ396BINcLamjOd2cUFNohcNWszdH-7Sk_kt0IwgPRmTOeY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=889.6'>14:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZeydCYDAgyvPFthBq9jv1shqY4xXgP-3DzkVCMO7rCAFyV3ZyEWwrO9xDqZE4KC-lxZPCKS12Mq-gc0P1ocdJ5pvgjw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=890.53'>14:50</a>):</p>
<p>Go, do you, be you. But I certainly am not spending any money on this platform, and I'm barely spending time there. Pop in there. Yeah. On occasion, because it's, it's a habit that's hard to break.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W3ccJJzgRZxOvE7NWfbgH_xWKo3AlLq0pVUuCJAOes_5kW6KnOE1LeuimTMarHyw8RWcsKLM0_m60bHeNK0fF1GksUA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=905.06'>15:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, it just, it makes no sense from a real nuts and bolts, let's do real business point of view. It just doesn't, and you're right. It dismisses anything that makes sense from a communications standpoint. So I don't know. I mean, we're we're definitely not on the same page as they are, maybe not even on the same bookshelf as they are. So it's just interesting to watch. And I didn't know anything about the whole PayPal thing until I read that article.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ASuqGSAP-Nvwhj9gLC870Hl_QCMgO17hNHhds7J8AiOLHuIiPlE1iWRYE7iz0k1f23x78jd44CwC_Gd09twVJPn6zks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=937.31'>15:37</a>):</p>
<p>Now, let's be honest, on a smaller scale for we communicators, this has happened to us with clients. We have clients that have wanted to change the name of the company or have a brand new logo for absolutely zero reason at all. And so, I can only imagine, I don’t know if there are any comms people left at Twitter, but clearly not. And so, again, for us to do our jobs well, and if there are any non-PR people in this audience, and you are thinking of engaging with PR people for us to do our jobs well, it really requires for you to trust our strategic counsel, our expertise, and understand that if we're saying no to you, it's not because we are trying to limit your vision. It's not because we are not visionary ourselves.</p>
<p>It's not because we don't like you. It's because we do have our eye on the big picture. But our picture includes your publics, it includes your brand equity, it includes the reputation of your company. And so we're taking a long view and a broader view than you might be looking, and you may have a different vision, but it's worthwhile to have that discussion and not just pull the plug on something without having your comms team involved and having you guys come to a point of alignment. I mean, trust the people that you have hired and take their advice. Sometimes you're still going to go off and do what you want to do. I get that. I've dealt with this too, where companies just changed the name and you have either come in after they just did it, and you're like, “Why?”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4CjuJ3JqowAxeLpw10RRFRde4N29FTrlmbnGaDI8uJj-34DVwQkp2N7sDf4kdy98YlXV8uJqpXdzTgi6_zEQImpGtVg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1052.9'>17:32</a>):</p>
<p>Mm-Hmm. &lt;Affirmative&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ThIqhZQ4Lk2AtfEp__Z2S7elOH3KxDl5Z2ztIxpAMhDrTK3s1y9AxxqkRrxpcXhCcLzBjrXrwugf4i1B3mkuJw4OI-o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1054.07'>17:34</a>):</p>
<p>Or you are unable to move them off of what they want to do, and so left to their own devices, people will change the name sometimes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RAaLvez0JM8XfbnmbGzyZAlCSvX40O0lb2gUTRhahLlj2PyCU4jXtLXzKGSPT0rl5hm6PmGltQeQ_4NPb7P2Ba9K54A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1070.58'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iD7KJxriWjTPAIka9pMKKs6gwvvioFkCrJ9u793D7UWRXuZtM0O9c7BylXk0rpYKW-3s3XXQwp-kERp9MB-6rRoCPek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1071.16'>17:51</a>):</p>
<p>I have engaged with companies where they already have a new name, and it’s a name that's so hard to SEO and so hard to monitor. Sometimes companies choose names that are simple, but they're so simple that they get confused with like a million other things. And so it fails the SEO value, or it's unique and weirdly spelled, and then it's hard for anybody to find. So, you know, these are things that we all think about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NEeSEf9Eecv2_Yigrqj6Vu2vvo1oux7ghF0KCCZNtbvdZWwABmW-kPNpp5yQM9ttFA9zad5XAuudHZevTAxALfYC2Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.83'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We're not in here to be Debbie Downer. We are communications pros. We're not just here to blow out your messaging. We're here to consider how you are perceived and look out for you on all those points. I've had that too. And sometimes it takes, sometimes it does come around in a couple of years where if a certain aspect of something has been branded and named and I've counseled and said, you know, that's going to make your, your, your potential audience think too much. They're not exactly going to understand. It's not going to be perceived as you wish with everyone who sees it. And at the end of the day, it's going to be confusing. So sometimes, if it's not an earth shattering decision and the whole company's not going to tank as a result, let it play out. And eventually it comes around to, oh, that wasn't working. Interesting. Okay, let's try this. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zsS9zr7cPuCs2WHO01DNrCA3qWzxfMVbcZoLvy3peO0BYNd_A2uCvjqSEpuaNVphCzeWeqZlOfSreBD908adI9fOAk0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1161.57'>19:21</a>):</p>
<p>I mean,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cfJC8-IxLff7ulD1DY17dXUx6G1WRxQWllL15iIhFSmBpVdpWc7_o2P08NfUoyUGi3dEGrmU-vogtM6lN6Cub5qEQXc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1162.44'>19:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NwbZktjLnyC-jS1Iiwq5ZrC9qDXeCeBOPC8ffWCpitNk6PjY7Qsl3yLnLMk6QWb503JgapA-RdKHeFey5IcJO5Kc-ew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1162.77'>19:22</a>):</p>
<p>Facebook just did it, right? They became Meta,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8DOYIjiAK9omNNIRZKpctpTkv9GHX1OzkDddqnmejW3dxfRf-QKBQ-i7K1Ijbqdt9KN-7gdj98D7VPKgEhd4vHLr7C4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1167.06'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ogrPk4Pq04YbUm_DaEtTLQFMNaOhnmzi0-JCLq8sBsH6ILkui5k1NBk06YJEmx4igF-Hh9nRsjN1lT9vIiH2LUeUFnM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1167.84'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>But it's still called Facebook. It's still called Instagram by Meta. Yeah. But it just, X puts me in mind of XFiles, &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3zp9GJcbqvIvJ3LqJWQVUPWiYMbuVEjQXVH29FOx7P7WHgWapA95drLNTA7HsoAMNJwq7ivZHbNZ_X7TVYJcz8ibYvM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1178.82'>19:38</a>):</p>
<p>And then there’s this little thing of Microsoft owning the, is it the patent or the trademark for “X”?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4NMLtvgngnWpgtwNgY7DG9q1XoDx_9EOZAkRimeH-k7VOIrTmWJI5Sqi99Npznawc18_7GaWePDkZKYmUvCb1Vp-ZAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1186.17'>19:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And it's a black and white logo. Like Okay. The Twitter bird was iconic. Twitter was iconic. Yeah. We're not going to say whatever he wants to call tweets. It's a definite contrast to the, you know, colorful neon, fashion forward Barbie and their whole message and the Barbie brand. So good on you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HmovWpb_r3NlXyC76xHbyj5VeqtTOsBtGRFxbJauG1eGFpDPsYE2X7KbB8DRrDETOSMhAna7IS6KzLLk6Zs-kQdtREU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1225.8'>20:25</a>):</p>
<p>Kudos.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eIITR5Dwigw2Uj7H0UHM4skBIHK7GtZlXUrj6kJToQOeW_B-vBNp_O6S_ApJP0_fhwmz8g6HjazEEj-94sqUciu3LLY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1226.52'>20:26</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, this is to me like what you would submit an award for, because they really did the doggone thing. And while we also know that I love this interview, and I believe it was Vanity Fair where the comms person shared that, “I've been doing this for 35 years and this level, like of success has never happened.” I love that he was transparent about that, because once again, we have people that see successes, you know, in the areas that we play in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XhIjAtMl963Nyu13VOhyiP4xS8txr0baEoQv2aD5gezCw57Jvzz47-Au79V8RV6KgNz1wEWwyOeoh1xszpeWdaLUbaA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1256.32'>20:56</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7CmS3KLsua8VDiGoFurBe950j6GpS97IDYZZXiLSarIlUhGYH7rG1WROXmLq1WH8LUy7Dol9Pcxwu31mcXDZmkxlsGA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1257.88'>20:57</a>):</p>
<p>They want to duplicate it. So they say, “oh, well they were on TikTok, so let's go on TikTok.” And then they jump to these shiny new tools and they want to do stuff. And then they're like, “well, why isn't this working?” Or they'll, they're like, “well, wow, look, so-and-so was in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and okay, let's go there.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cy7TthoIfei1DXmPWPNF8_hqkMJlafGQjD-vxBSrCuF84t2SY8skSFplUickVAFhSXOJ_XNy0uij51Y5xuMS8kqT-AY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1274.23'>21:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OZ3tJNhIOZbuAMfqmkpeSFGmllwLO_LK-QveG1AAtgxW0gRZjO8G_bGyehVCGuojeXC7jLZ-BtFUIS1a8gNGatAndx8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1275.1'>21:15</a>):</p>
<p>But do you have anything to say, really? Are you, do you think that that's what really got them to what you're seeing? Because there's a whole lot of things that happen in the background that you don't know about. Let's talk about those things.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xOvdcLaaqnAZZT6Ds3IHV6L3_6NpP-7ed-H6GFN9fX5eSRNqIhEjbY9epPXcC7RCF6kJNmCy-BF80vHqxQdzMap9bPk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.42'>21:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And, I love that they said that too, because it's true. And I'm sure that at the time when they were scoping this out, they were hopeful, but they definitely did not have certainty that it would play out the way it did.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1weqpkt8HGJtXu6Sb-E2Wje-rQKg_tnMqD87FE-YtO4CAM8WVlOFZ08KrWhzZf5HZMxKJ3VZaxydxcgocSnS7Wiajhw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1309.45'>21:49</a>):</p>
<p>No one could have predicted when this movie came out, where we would be in our collective consciousness - that we are turned out, we're tired, we haven't had a lot of fun. Life is life and really hard. And so there was a little bit of magic and a little bit of luck, right? And we know that that's happened to even other viral campaigns that weren't on this level but were tremendously successful. Sometimes there's just a little bit of fortune that favors you. However, what's that saying? Fortune favors the prepared, they came and they brought their A game. And they did a really great job. And so yes, there was a little bit of fortune, but they were prepared for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z3tIAheQc7HRHVx30ZO_AfM7XUrzDaRieEG-j0KAyk_QC3LAliRfcaYE7IxlgH3M3eIwTBYathXZBvcyeem-A5OWp5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1358.08'>22:38</a>):</p>
<p>You know what's going to happen? This is my prediction. Twitter is going to be renamed Barbie &lt;laugh&gt; since it's popular, without regard for patents or copyrights.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UvnUyi42fLS_zSmabcd5XmaYjddUDBju8GQDOQaSZSzfpsQv7tnUlmtvjnvqk3YHySL65wkeHkObEe-malPuxsOvyeg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1372.38'>22:52</a>):</p>
<p>Because it's popular, bright and shiny, Elon Musk would immediately &lt;laugh&gt; put the hammer to that. It's not a mathematical formula. I'm thinking that he's going to be like, no.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yiCGxsdZjL1vngYGjn091FP08a1rP63qYeXgLFajNYqQyh9169hLkzH7iRbpQ7V4RwRCYjP4h5BzW7YSnWQYIO4423A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1389.33'>23:09</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, well, yeah. Right, right. Exactly. Well, the new alleged name for tweets, “xeet,” I guess X E E T. Yeah. when I saw it in print, it just made me think, being a Philly suburban girl, it made me think of our slang for “Did you eat yet?” Is “jeet” J E E T &lt;laugh&gt; I was like, jeet? Oh, what? Is Elon asking if I ate already. What? Oh, okay. Whatever. Next tweet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NgbO_k2GRxfSfISoZsyrcoZ7Goeh5_VIYVHGVSz9DOW4TUuK_mwP8fKhr0au3aVur6vAiW6aSYGj7OIth27Zc54OrKU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1414.78'>23:34</a>):</p>
<p>Already I'm an ex tweeter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jHUGUkAg-uSukteIfDsnKpK0AHc1I_GLOEK8wjr61x6q70shSNCyzvtR6GOrwBw9sjsMt9sim-uDMPjsU1oe2XlDORw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1419.19'>23:39</a>):</p>
<p>I tell you, I think I'm</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/z4Sfdq1QNqZ1OTXmdjul6Nhxt-JfJzv5A4XsOVhY-MSGwmEo7HmIkC5eLYAxOStB82hOFmOdFIDeMf1W83OPTXwJa8U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1419.98'>23:39</a>):</p>
<p>officially an ex tweeter, so don't look for me there. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T3kyFaQJKGgNyXwfj2I0c-piyu1RK6Vck2E-mGITZy0ydmHQ_6eeMKYhXpe_8LqAdf_PXuxkjRkuNQhcTWZDUEeRr5M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1424.14'>23:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I certainly don't spend as much time as I used to, which is, it's a bummer because it brought so much to our world. But you know, what do they say? The only thing constant is change. So there you have it.</p>
<p>So we hope you've enjoyed spending this little time with us, checking on some pop culture things, maybe encouraging you to get in line, buy some popcorn, and enjoy some cinema therapy, as I like to call it. But whatever you choose, we hope you value this content. And if you do, please share it around. Please follow us on all the Solo PR channels. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a “Barbenheimer” world and in this episode we talk about the savvy and work that went into this massively successful campaign. We also touch on what’s going on with the platform formerly known as Twitter (it’s still Twitter to us).</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XH9pOO01krn8o7Zqbe1h2XqRRR9CnHRwgGwnnc_T63_wnaoU43C3zz47yHAcdxgMkS6DkH_psmx3fRPbs04ocsPjjwQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.25'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you? Or should I say, “Hi, Barbie?”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-YqvJR9Fq0WHrnFENMnFjCkb1tBPLFUzXjlRvMSa1nkpLzIpiGokauMvZ5xcHcJEbsz9NT2UOpULrY-1K57iVB5jE38?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=19.49'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I don't know what Barbie I am today. Hi Michelle. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jLmJOWIRoYtt7M37XFqBYCleLCD1CYyPJfvVDzF5Mox5wE_80Bn1zCbbgTA9GBCGYhOBECvLKRYv-dYN4liXkhOIr1Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=26.01'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>I am Holding It Together Barbie today. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HIoGslMvkyh28xeQXBXGbRO5K4hs49qBDGVT0OV-RqnqouWr13NwlwyJzZHGI2MpB5cRMa-wag5xRthIfTvJy7k8KCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=30.15'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>I might be, I'm, you know, I think saying Not Sure What Barbie I Am Today is probably pretty accurate for most days of the week for me lately.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CwWyiY-yBfWw2764j90Lf8AIigoW97xtFqt1sWx8nwQzciYTLMnznaaPmDTx3GvtYPOzJ9qwq3Ks2B2KIxWETe10KMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=40.5'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I hear you. I hear you. It's, I don't know why. I'm always surprised when I'm surprised by how days can unfold &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q28jDEl-c_13L9JzUHCpu3Fln-EaGgVGQudm6hM_-RXq0qTm5e8EljZQ_sTwV62fIQzyG_hfPZsWoIywn9Fi8j4zrqo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=48.84'>00:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. This summer has been particularly eventful for, for most people. I'm finding it's not just, just PR pros. In my past, in my past PR life, &lt;laugh&gt;, summer is always a quiet time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RVCOBCLZnKWlFEPd8MY66bbWl-ihP0IfxXlYV69RSnk4LL8ylgrY6bQSggZ694_wkYyMrJc73_j6Jxex12v5gs0AEwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=65.22'>01:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. No more</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KZ_37Zb3nf6QGyPVWVAAtzfFhuOwYeyAzRjFk1Zmun767SNr14n4s3qmclr7emIMfoWoFahKlsLqk89wquj99nDnj_o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=67.8'>01:07</a>):</p>
<p>I don't know. I don't know anything anymore. I don't know if it's going to hail or snow or rain in the middle of August. I don't know. I just don't know. So that's the way that I approach my days these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/skU6SLxqhlSxiDI70LsCvbThPnzDI-VcoYR4RHLytFaE3zi2UGwzQj-evZ0vmYmSURvGBZlFS9qsACLWT9ebGTU6EVo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=83.73'>01:23</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lWCSKGNimOVbvPSvsy7ScrkvK_6keRsrQmHYruWtxVDIWa62LLblRruvoLjF13ngvsxZDjyNmE8NlY4u2ImzCawDq4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.57'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>Optimism, knowing that anything could happen. And you know what? We used to say, when pigs fly, and now that just doesn't even seem out of the realm of possibility</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uof0F377NSP2BwP2vgec93DDLyiWWtWsVd_qCVq0eFePCCHYMMoXUIeuSjccAAjc9Fxp-wAG8R9LAFSZPyNrkyjH5KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=95.52'>01:35</a>):</p>
<p>I hear that might be being worked on. Who knows? I'm sure &lt;laugh&gt; No, sure. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q61Q3YT_OFrsfsybsfCufVCqnCHEcqrc9WAc3L1cYVI0258EhpsyDf9M7eIUxglSYqaOnH2HrZZ06LxHsf3lEMsFOgA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=100.68'>01:40</a>):</p>
<p>Elon Musk is figuring that out.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vRRxRjlPK8AePNy5Kh-LmpxKCzCaLpjRg3XwKYpfmOVWuo5CNKqKOLTgl-IvoprRD0PDQ2pJo-lR4mhAo0WYfwEzK24?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=102.6'>01:42</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, goodness. I'm sure he is. So, as you might've guessed, today's episode, we're just going to do a pop culture PR check-in because as this is airing, this will hit right after the second weekend of Barbenheimer. So I don't know if many of you have seen either Barbie or Oppenheimer, but there's a lot to admire about the PR that's gone into it and just, there's just a lot of points to consider, especially through the PR lens. I mean, first of all, that even though I know personally and across the board it's been really challenging to get people to engage in the way they did in the before times, especially in-person events, things like that. Just because our priorities have shifted, our time, the way we spend our time has changed. Anyway, all that to say, in the midst of all that, a ton of people went back to the movie theater. To either Barbie or Oppenheimer, they’re smashing records. So it's pretty amazing. And unless you've, you know, truly been checking out this summer, and if you have good for you it's kind of hard to miss any of the promotion for either Barbie or Oppenheimer. And I have a pretty low, low bar for being annoyed by this kind of thing, and I'm not annoyed yet. So they must be doing something right, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pxiwi5KZS-5j1zxHiKtcHkUXbjCEvmeZq6WsHXJL4yNeyaZzBWYs23CqbLcPe9QN7yCH1fy3IGsT46UJduyZ8GlISnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=192.55'>03:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think from a PR perspective, and many PR professionals have noted this on social media, that this was really a masterclass in a great execution of a campaign. So a couple of things that stood out to me from the communication side for Barbie in particular is that number one, it just reinforces what we as PR pros know to be true. That having a strategic plan that is comprehensive and robust and the time to be able to execute that plan means everything. Because this did not come together in months. This was a plan that rolled out over a long period of time, and it was a campaign that incorporated not just that lever of earned media, it was paid, it was the PESO formula. It’s beautifully done. It also stood out to me that going into the planning of the messaging, they understood that there were people that don't like Barbie. Maybe not passionate activists against Barbie but the people that just don't like Barbie or have an issue with it. And rather than trying to navigate around that, they leaned into that and considered that their audience as well and developed messaging that embraced the detraction. And I thought, beautifully done, because sometimes we want to avoid, you know, the “antis” &lt;laugh&gt;. Right. And rather than doing that, they fully embraced that. And I thought that that was genius.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jUNEqEy0V95fG8VbJ9mpaKAY2qGDO1470_mtJ9A1etDSkTQijpUsGAoSShwATvil0d6ZHM0kpQ3Sp-AnjD89eOXgdno?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=307.3'>05:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. They really did. I mean, even for those who have not seen the film, I won't reveal a whole lot. But there's definitely the acknowledgement that Barbie is somewhat problematic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AVZLWFzXOb-r26A03xJZxOPOkjQZ8692VtZU2CekjcTZ0sjN3mUeq7UPcnxh55Bs9JeERspiqZ-bmC5nEc7nTG5vXk0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=320.29'>05:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RvJ5lD4tbeNVQZTDQDhoEXMKEY8RiwA8KV3bkEV_V6vB_kG7eqPmpojpLT6biRceLNnqRWuvz97CnAyPKuhAE9UAgfE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=321.04'>05:21</a>):</p>
<p>But as anything, many things are full of shades of gray. And what I thought was incredible was that even though Barbie's a Warner Brothers film, Oppenheimer, I believe is with Universal, they played well together. I mean, they're building on the whole Barbenheimer of it all. What sticks out to me, like you said, with this long game, I mean, it started with the set photos of Ryan Gosling and Margot Robbie in their full on neon roller blades, to make people take notice. And that was, gosh, easily, at least a year ago, to make us say, “Oh my, what is that? Oh, so this is how it's going to come together. Okay. I'm intrigued…” and just, then go about our lives. But even, I don't know if you saw the photos of I think it was Margot Robbie and Greta Gerwig at the movies holding their tickets for Oppenheimer. And then, everyone was kind of returning the favor of I got my tickets to Barbie of I just, that collegiality that built up, “Hey, you know, we're all in this together” and “There's enough room for everyone.” Let's, you know, as the little jingle says, let's all go to the movies &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rog1soxLpJIExHQx-Dxa8i-P_ZqdIdCKV3-6V3n8gh0WZqyNd40SWP1M-_FIIdPXhsLUDAomShLgMaIK7kZ9-YqH6WU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=394.96'>06:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think the first trailer was, it was a weird one for Barbie. And they didn't realize that it would be so popular. In full disclosure, I have not seen the movie. Yet. So, my discussion about this is purely from looking at it from the comms perspective, and what I've read and what I've seen on the story behind how this all came together. I know that this was a well-executed campaign because I’m actually planning on going to see a movie that I probably never would've planned to see. Because there's something special about having this environment again, of the summer blockbuster and having everyone talking about it, because let's face it, with streaming, you know, there's a pocket of people that may talk about something, but it's not the same as when something grabs hold of the culture and people are dressing up and they're excited. And I'm here for it. I love it. I'm so glad. This makes me very happy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jDfCqT0p9VbLg2hw1OXszxr-pBBZTwH5rbvsWl96Q-hUQgr0jF5dSDCN0c4YpClAWMOR-jcMh7E2YeuHJMDWkY7XWQY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=473.66'>07:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it shows that we can have those experiences again, where everyone is, let's say most everyone, is excited about gathering together and just really getting involved or getting caught up in the excitement of it all. So that's been encouraging and it's just been a fun ride all around just to see how this has rolled out and to see how it continues to. And it also speaks to another thing that we are hungry for - original stories. I mean, certainly, you know, Oppenheimer's a real person, Barbie's a doll, but, you know, just refreshing to see something that doesn't have a “part six” at the end of it. I think we might be at the end of those rides, but who knows? What do I know? I'm not a studio executive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wHZMXc55Tv7lNFMRVY-UtxcrRYGJW5xVuCXr_A5qVFDBR-FOBXEMmfQbB5mpc9rGLRrVGWTXX4LCIEdQE8tMQFkzuqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=521.96'>08:41</a>):</p>
<p>You know what I love? So yes, Barbie has been problematic as a child. It wasn't necessarily problematic for me. There were issues that even I, as a small child realized playing with my Barbies, and I gravitated towards, you know, my personality  gravitated not towards Barbie and Ken, but you know, towards Skipper, who no one remembers. But over the years, obviously as I became an adult,  I really began to have issues with it. And what I kind of love about this, and this segues into something else we can't avoid talking about, is that the Barbie brand has evolved over the years. And they've evolved their brand in a way that was acceptable to their audiences and they attracted new audiences. It was exciting to me to listen to one of the teens on my street and see her bouncy, happy about wanting to go see Barbie and her knowing Barbie from the cartoons.</p>
<p>But they didn't, you know, they didn't run away from the problematic past. This is part of the whole story of Barbie, and they understood that Barbie's embedded in our cultural discussions, it's an icon. They didn't rebrand arbitrarily. They could have done that. Mattel could have created something else and just steered away from Barbie in the problematic era, but instead they did not do that. I'm going to say that in my opinion, that's the smarter way versus Elon Musk and Twitter running from their problematic past. And I don't know if that was the motivation and rebranding something that it has been such an important icon in our history. Twitter is Twitter. We grew up with the Twitter bird, with the Twitter sounds, the bird sounds, it's has meaning, it has cultural significance, good, bad, ugly. I'm not quite sure why this company would lean away from what has been such an important institution for people and one that's recognizable.</p>
<p>Can we just talk about brand recognition? It's baffling. Why would you change the name? Which to me feels like a personal, very egotistical thing in that here's a person who names his children these, so it feels like this was personal and not a brand decision, which completely disregards your audience that it's there, or at least to win back and you have an opportunity to win back new fans. You really do, because no one has replaced Twitter as of today. There are lots of other social media platforms they're not catching on in the same way. There's still something different about Twitter, although people are now not participating there, myself included, because it's a trash platform. But I just, you know, just to contrast, here's a company that did it right and owned the failures and mistakes and went through some really hard times where they were really not the beloved brand, but they didn't change their name and forget they didn't try to trick their audience. Like, Hey, we're this now &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W5duXLCCbcwecntz8chm1Kmt5_Po6inPT_ilFRiMT_J63RPizVvToGWOeJWoIt5QFo2n1ZKIlN2QCo9qCaT2W__pjEE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=742.54'>12:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, I'm seeing a couple of things. The, the first is, and forgive me, I forget the reporter's name, but he brought to light that this is not Elon's first rodeo with trying to rename something “X” apparently when in 2000, when he was leading PayPal, he wanted to do the same thing and he wanted to make it almost like in in Asia where they have the WeChat, he wants this “X” to be an all-purpose thing. And it's like, okay, well even if that's your intent, what sense does it make to completely trash the running thing you bought, decimate your staff? I mean, there's something off there that we all know, once you get into that stratosphere of being a billionaire, you're not making rational decisions. And the other disturbing trend is, I was just reading comments of a thread of people pointing out this very thing, this doesn't make sense. It's not good business. It got you in trouble before, it got you ousted before. And yet there's still the fan base of “Oh no. Secretly he is the super genius that knows what he's doing. You just wait and see.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DwBIfonW9S0KXd-Z9UuPb59b-IgBNu4UqdgkDiFU47_iakYHq8kVMH_7tNBNJLHs0WDTffoycndBgr6xjdPCkICNIAY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=812.46'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>And not to take anything away from Elon Musk, he is brilliant. Let let's just be clear on that. No one is disputing his intelligence.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-i2ovmrfXqDUYZjzs2f5g5YHTgEEIff7SvvBcKhRBroIJbJf1yssk5BJ97bzALA655K5qToR04OwNXKfLeGHf0RwHEk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=831.76'>13:51</a>):</p>
<p>I am…&lt;laughs&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xXMxHHhunX1sr-UGN2jRvz-WmR3tPYM3_e3qaICu5sO5mWB2zEZYfOM9z1E-zlG5sNzSB8PB1mrdc6B8K7LVFcZBN7w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=832.9'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>What I am contrasting is that I feel like this particular business decision is, it's just a bad decision. And it's not something from a communication standpoint that any of us in this audience would ever have said, sure, let's do that. Because there's no reasoning behind it. And again, as public relations professionals, part of our job is protecting our publics. And I feel like this really dismisses your publics and I'm totally not sure that it's going to lead to the ultimate goal of winning back advertisers or having people want to pay a premium to use this service. I think it just continues to drive away. And maybe that's the goal. Maybe it's to drive away all of the old users and turn this into a political platform that is very much focused on one political party or one political point of view, and have it be all brand new. And, and if that's the goal, then have at it, you know?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/y3qLLbTjuXZ1P1wqdFG9Yut2QF_o-fnN-kBko5Rb2CAKIJ396BINcLamjOd2cUFNohcNWszdH-7Sk_kt0IwgPRmTOeY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=889.6'>14:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZeydCYDAgyvPFthBq9jv1shqY4xXgP-3DzkVCMO7rCAFyV3ZyEWwrO9xDqZE4KC-lxZPCKS12Mq-gc0P1ocdJ5pvgjw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=890.53'>14:50</a>):</p>
<p>Go, do you, be you. But I certainly am not spending any money on this platform, and I'm barely spending time there. Pop in there. Yeah. On occasion, because it's, it's a habit that's hard to break.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W3ccJJzgRZxOvE7NWfbgH_xWKo3AlLq0pVUuCJAOes_5kW6KnOE1LeuimTMarHyw8RWcsKLM0_m60bHeNK0fF1GksUA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=905.06'>15:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. I mean it's, it just, it makes no sense from a real nuts and bolts, let's do real business point of view. It just doesn't, and you're right. It dismisses anything that makes sense from a communications standpoint. So I don't know. I mean, we're we're definitely not on the same page as they are, maybe not even on the same bookshelf as they are. So it's just interesting to watch. And I didn't know anything about the whole PayPal thing until I read that article.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ASuqGSAP-Nvwhj9gLC870Hl_QCMgO17hNHhds7J8AiOLHuIiPlE1iWRYE7iz0k1f23x78jd44CwC_Gd09twVJPn6zks?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=937.31'>15:37</a>):</p>
<p>Now, let's be honest, on a smaller scale for we communicators, this has happened to us with clients. We have clients that have wanted to change the name of the company or have a brand new logo for absolutely zero reason at all. And so, I can only imagine, I don’t know if there are any comms people left at Twitter, but clearly not. And so, again, for us to do our jobs well, and if there are any non-PR people in this audience, and you are thinking of engaging with PR people for us to do our jobs well, it really requires for you to trust our strategic counsel, our expertise, and understand that if we're saying no to you, it's not because we are trying to limit your vision. It's not because we are not visionary ourselves.</p>
<p>It's not because we don't like you. It's because we do have our eye on the big picture. But our picture includes your publics, it includes your brand equity, it includes the reputation of your company. And so we're taking a long view and a broader view than you might be looking, and you may have a different vision, but it's worthwhile to have that discussion and not just pull the plug on something without having your comms team involved and having you guys come to a point of alignment. I mean, trust the people that you have hired and take their advice. Sometimes you're still going to go off and do what you want to do. I get that. I've dealt with this too, where companies just changed the name and you have either come in after they just did it, and you're like, “Why?”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4CjuJ3JqowAxeLpw10RRFRde4N29FTrlmbnGaDI8uJj-34DVwQkp2N7sDf4kdy98YlXV8uJqpXdzTgi6_zEQImpGtVg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1052.9'>17:32</a>):</p>
<p>Mm-Hmm. &lt;Affirmative&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ThIqhZQ4Lk2AtfEp__Z2S7elOH3KxDl5Z2ztIxpAMhDrTK3s1y9AxxqkRrxpcXhCcLzBjrXrwugf4i1B3mkuJw4OI-o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1054.07'>17:34</a>):</p>
<p>Or you are unable to move them off of what they want to do, and so left to their own devices, people will change the name sometimes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RAaLvez0JM8XfbnmbGzyZAlCSvX40O0lb2gUTRhahLlj2PyCU4jXtLXzKGSPT0rl5hm6PmGltQeQ_4NPb7P2Ba9K54A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1070.58'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iD7KJxriWjTPAIka9pMKKs6gwvvioFkCrJ9u793D7UWRXuZtM0O9c7BylXk0rpYKW-3s3XXQwp-kERp9MB-6rRoCPek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1071.16'>17:51</a>):</p>
<p>I have engaged with companies where they already have a new name, and it’s a name that's so hard to SEO and so hard to monitor. Sometimes companies choose names that are simple, but they're so simple that they get confused with like a million other things. And so it fails the SEO value, or it's unique and weirdly spelled, and then it's hard for anybody to find. So, you know, these are things that we all think about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NEeSEf9Eecv2_Yigrqj6Vu2vvo1oux7ghF0KCCZNtbvdZWwABmW-kPNpp5yQM9ttFA9zad5XAuudHZevTAxALfYC2Qg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.83'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We're not in here to be Debbie Downer. We are communications pros. We're not just here to blow out your messaging. We're here to consider how you are perceived and look out for you on all those points. I've had that too. And sometimes it takes, sometimes it does come around in a couple of years where if a certain aspect of something has been branded and named and I've counseled and said, you know, that's going to make your, your, your potential audience think too much. They're not exactly going to understand. It's not going to be perceived as you wish with everyone who sees it. And at the end of the day, it's going to be confusing. So sometimes, if it's not an earth shattering decision and the whole company's not going to tank as a result, let it play out. And eventually it comes around to, oh, that wasn't working. Interesting. Okay, let's try this. &lt;Laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zsS9zr7cPuCs2WHO01DNrCA3qWzxfMVbcZoLvy3peO0BYNd_A2uCvjqSEpuaNVphCzeWeqZlOfSreBD908adI9fOAk0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1161.57'>19:21</a>):</p>
<p>I mean,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cfJC8-IxLff7ulD1DY17dXUx6G1WRxQWllL15iIhFSmBpVdpWc7_o2P08NfUoyUGi3dEGrmU-vogtM6lN6Cub5qEQXc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1162.44'>19:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NwbZktjLnyC-jS1Iiwq5ZrC9qDXeCeBOPC8ffWCpitNk6PjY7Qsl3yLnLMk6QWb503JgapA-RdKHeFey5IcJO5Kc-ew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1162.77'>19:22</a>):</p>
<p>Facebook just did it, right? They became Meta,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8DOYIjiAK9omNNIRZKpctpTkv9GHX1OzkDddqnmejW3dxfRf-QKBQ-i7K1Ijbqdt9KN-7gdj98D7VPKgEhd4vHLr7C4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1167.06'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ogrPk4Pq04YbUm_DaEtTLQFMNaOhnmzi0-JCLq8sBsH6ILkui5k1NBk06YJEmx4igF-Hh9nRsjN1lT9vIiH2LUeUFnM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1167.84'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>But it's still called Facebook. It's still called Instagram by Meta. Yeah. But it just, X puts me in mind of XFiles, &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3zp9GJcbqvIvJ3LqJWQVUPWiYMbuVEjQXVH29FOx7P7WHgWapA95drLNTA7HsoAMNJwq7ivZHbNZ_X7TVYJcz8ibYvM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1178.82'>19:38</a>):</p>
<p>And then there’s this little thing of Microsoft owning the, is it the patent or the trademark for “X”?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4NMLtvgngnWpgtwNgY7DG9q1XoDx_9EOZAkRimeH-k7VOIrTmWJI5Sqi99Npznawc18_7GaWePDkZKYmUvCb1Vp-ZAw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1186.17'>19:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And it's a black and white logo. Like Okay. The Twitter bird was iconic. Twitter was iconic. Yeah. We're not going to say whatever he wants to call tweets. It's a definite contrast to the, you know, colorful neon, fashion forward Barbie and their whole message and the Barbie brand. So good on you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HmovWpb_r3NlXyC76xHbyj5VeqtTOsBtGRFxbJauG1eGFpDPsYE2X7KbB8DRrDETOSMhAna7IS6KzLLk6Zs-kQdtREU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1225.8'>20:25</a>):</p>
<p>Kudos.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eIITR5Dwigw2Uj7H0UHM4skBIHK7GtZlXUrj6kJToQOeW_B-vBNp_O6S_ApJP0_fhwmz8g6HjazEEj-94sqUciu3LLY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1226.52'>20:26</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, this is to me like what you would submit an award for, because they really did the doggone thing. And while we also know that I love this interview, and I believe it was Vanity Fair where the comms person shared that, “I've been doing this for 35 years and this level, like of success has never happened.” I love that he was transparent about that, because once again, we have people that see successes, you know, in the areas that we play in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XhIjAtMl963Nyu13VOhyiP4xS8txr0baEoQv2aD5gezCw57Jvzz47-Au79V8RV6KgNz1wEWwyOeoh1xszpeWdaLUbaA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1256.32'>20:56</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7CmS3KLsua8VDiGoFurBe950j6GpS97IDYZZXiLSarIlUhGYH7rG1WROXmLq1WH8LUy7Dol9Pcxwu31mcXDZmkxlsGA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1257.88'>20:57</a>):</p>
<p>They want to duplicate it. So they say, “oh, well they were on TikTok, so let's go on TikTok.” And then they jump to these shiny new tools and they want to do stuff. And then they're like, “well, why isn't this working?” Or they'll, they're like, “well, wow, look, so-and-so was in the New York Times and the Wall Street Journal, and okay, let's go there.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Cy7TthoIfei1DXmPWPNF8_hqkMJlafGQjD-vxBSrCuF84t2SY8skSFplUickVAFhSXOJ_XNy0uij51Y5xuMS8kqT-AY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1274.23'>21:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OZ3tJNhIOZbuAMfqmkpeSFGmllwLO_LK-QveG1AAtgxW0gRZjO8G_bGyehVCGuojeXC7jLZ-BtFUIS1a8gNGatAndx8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1275.1'>21:15</a>):</p>
<p>But do you have anything to say, really? Are you, do you think that that's what really got them to what you're seeing? Because there's a whole lot of things that happen in the background that you don't know about. Let's talk about those things.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xOvdcLaaqnAZZT6Ds3IHV6L3_6NpP-7ed-H6GFN9fX5eSRNqIhEjbY9epPXcC7RCF6kJNmCy-BF80vHqxQdzMap9bPk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.42'>21:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And, I love that they said that too, because it's true. And I'm sure that at the time when they were scoping this out, they were hopeful, but they definitely did not have certainty that it would play out the way it did.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1weqpkt8HGJtXu6Sb-E2Wje-rQKg_tnMqD87FE-YtO4CAM8WVlOFZ08KrWhzZf5HZMxKJ3VZaxydxcgocSnS7Wiajhw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1309.45'>21:49</a>):</p>
<p>No one could have predicted when this movie came out, where we would be in our collective consciousness - that we are turned out, we're tired, we haven't had a lot of fun. Life is life and really hard. And so there was a little bit of magic and a little bit of luck, right? And we know that that's happened to even other viral campaigns that weren't on this level but were tremendously successful. Sometimes there's just a little bit of fortune that favors you. However, what's that saying? Fortune favors the prepared, they came and they brought their A game. And they did a really great job. And so yes, there was a little bit of fortune, but they were prepared for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z3tIAheQc7HRHVx30ZO_AfM7XUrzDaRieEG-j0KAyk_QC3LAliRfcaYE7IxlgH3M3eIwTBYathXZBvcyeem-A5OWp5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1358.08'>22:38</a>):</p>
<p>You know what's going to happen? This is my prediction. Twitter is going to be renamed Barbie &lt;laugh&gt; since it's popular, without regard for patents or copyrights.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UvnUyi42fLS_zSmabcd5XmaYjddUDBju8GQDOQaSZSzfpsQv7tnUlmtvjnvqk3YHySL65wkeHkObEe-malPuxsOvyeg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1372.38'>22:52</a>):</p>
<p>Because it's popular, bright and shiny, Elon Musk would immediately &lt;laugh&gt; put the hammer to that. It's not a mathematical formula. I'm thinking that he's going to be like, no.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yiCGxsdZjL1vngYGjn091FP08a1rP63qYeXgLFajNYqQyh9169hLkzH7iRbpQ7V4RwRCYjP4h5BzW7YSnWQYIO4423A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1389.33'>23:09</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, well, yeah. Right, right. Exactly. Well, the new alleged name for tweets, “xeet,” I guess X E E T. Yeah. when I saw it in print, it just made me think, being a Philly suburban girl, it made me think of our slang for “Did you eat yet?” Is “jeet” J E E T &lt;laugh&gt; I was like, jeet? Oh, what? Is Elon asking if I ate already. What? Oh, okay. Whatever. Next tweet.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NgbO_k2GRxfSfISoZsyrcoZ7Goeh5_VIYVHGVSz9DOW4TUuK_mwP8fKhr0au3aVur6vAiW6aSYGj7OIth27Zc54OrKU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1414.78'>23:34</a>):</p>
<p>Already I'm an ex tweeter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jHUGUkAg-uSukteIfDsnKpK0AHc1I_GLOEK8wjr61x6q70shSNCyzvtR6GOrwBw9sjsMt9sim-uDMPjsU1oe2XlDORw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1419.19'>23:39</a>):</p>
<p>I tell you, I think I'm</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/z4Sfdq1QNqZ1OTXmdjul6Nhxt-JfJzv5A4XsOVhY-MSGwmEo7HmIkC5eLYAxOStB82hOFmOdFIDeMf1W83OPTXwJa8U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1419.98'>23:39</a>):</p>
<p>officially an ex tweeter, so don't look for me there. &lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T3kyFaQJKGgNyXwfj2I0c-piyu1RK6Vck2E-mGITZy0ydmHQ_6eeMKYhXpe_8LqAdf_PXuxkjRkuNQhcTWZDUEeRr5M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1424.14'>23:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I certainly don't spend as much time as I used to, which is, it's a bummer because it brought so much to our world. But you know, what do they say? The only thing constant is change. So there you have it.</p>
<p>So we hope you've enjoyed spending this little time with us, checking on some pop culture things, maybe encouraging you to get in line, buy some popcorn, and enjoy some cinema therapy, as I like to call it. But whatever you choose, we hope you value this content. And if you do, please share it around. Please follow us on all the Solo PR channels. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s a “Barbenheimer” world and in this episode we talk about the savvy and work that went into this massively successful campaign. We also touch on what’s going on with the platform formerly known as Twitter (it’s still Twitter to us).
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hey, Karen, how are you? Or should I say, “Hi, Barbie?”
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
&lt;Laugh&gt;. I don't know what Barbie I am today. Hi Michelle. How are you doing today?
Michelle Kane (00:26):
I am Holding It Together Barbie today. &lt;Laugh&gt;,
Karen Swim, APR (00:30):
I might be, I'm, you know, I think saying Not Sure What Barbie I Am Today is probably pretty accurate for most days of the week for me lately.
Michelle Kane (00:40):
Oh, I hear you. I hear you. It's, I don't know why. I'm always surprised when I'm surprised by how days can unfold &lt;laugh&gt;.
Karen Swim, APR (00:48):
Yes. This summer has been particularly eventful for, for most people. I'm finding it's not just, just PR pros. In my past, in my past PR life, &lt;laugh&gt;, summer is always a quiet time.
Michelle Kane (01:05):
Yeah. No more
Karen Swim, APR (01:07):
I don't know. I don't know anything anymore. I don't know if it's going to hail or snow or rain in the middle of August. I don't know. I just don't know. So that's the way that I approach my days these days.
Michelle Kane (01:23):
Exactly.
Karen Swim, APR (01:24):
Optimism, knowing that anything could happen. And you know what? We used to say, when pigs fly, and now that just doesn't even seem out of the realm of possibility
Michelle Kane (01:35):
I hear that might be being worked on. Who knows? I'm sure &lt;laugh&gt; No, sure. &lt;Laugh&gt;.
Karen Swim, APR (01:40):
Elon Musk is figuring that out.
Michelle Kane (01:42):
Oh, goodness. I'm sure he is. So, as you might've guessed, today's episode, we're just going to do a pop culture PR check-in because as this is airing, this will hit right after the second weekend of Barbenheimer. So I don't know if many of you have seen either Barbie or Oppenheimer, but there's a lot to admire about the PR that's gone into it and just, there's just a lot of points to consider, especially through the PR lens. I mean, first of all, that even though I know personally and across the board it's been really challenging to get people to engage in the way they did in the before times, especially in-person events, things like that. Just because our priorities have shifted, our time, the way we spend our time has changed. Anyway, all that to say, in the midst of all that, a ton of people went back to the movie theater. To either Barbie or Oppenheimer, they’re smashing records. So it's pretty amazing. And unless you've, you know, truly been checking out this summer, and if you have good for you it's kind of hard to miss any of the promotion for either Barbie or Oppenheimer. And I have a pretty low, low bar for being annoyed by this kind of thing, and I'm not annoyed yet. So they must be doing something right, &lt;laugh&gt;.
Karen Swim, APR (03:12):
Yeah. I think from a PR perspective, and many PR professionals have noted this on social media, that this was really a masterclass in a great execution of a campaign. So a couple of things that stood out to me from the communication side for Barbie in particular is that number one, it just reinforces what we as PR pros know to be true. That having a strategic plan that is comprehensive and robust and the time to be able to execute that plan means everything. Because this did not come together in months. This was a plan that rolled out over a long period of time, and it was a campaign that incorporated not just that lever of earned media, it was paid, it was the PESO formula. It’s beautifully done. It also stood out to me that going into th]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>What the Writers Strike Means for All of Us</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The issues and circumstances that led to the current writers and actors strikes -- with corporations devaluing the creativity, expertise, and contribution of workers – mirrors what is going on in the larger labor market, whether you work as a traditional employee or self-employed. In this episode we talk about how this touches our solo PR world and what to do about it.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How goes it today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Good, good. Rolling along. Can't believe we are looking at the end of July. It is wild. Ugh.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Wild is a huge understatement. Yes, I am very much looking forward to getting on the other side of this and hopefully recapturing in August as a little bit of me time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I agree, and that's usually how it goes. I don't know why I am surprised that I'm feeling this way because just the way the work cycle goes, there are things happening, things going on, and why everyone's out and about, you know, hanging out on the beach and enjoying the boardwalk and things. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Later, later, later. And then by the time I'm there in August and September, they're all, back to school. I'm like, stinks to be you, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, you know, it's interesting because in my industries that I work with, typically this is a quiet time. Everybody is on holiday, they're away. And summer is quiet and then it ramps up hard in September.  This year, you and I have joked and I said that I feel like my life is a grocery cart running, going downhill, and I'm chasing after it, and I just can't run fast enough or long enough to catch it. I just can’t. I've never been so far behind in stuff. There are people that have emailed me that I haven't answered. If you're listening today, sorry, it's not personal. It's just I can't catch up. And every day I go back and I do something that I'm neglected. Okay, that's one of the hundred things that's hanging out there, but yay &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It has been a little bit like that. Yeah. I think just the way certain projects have happened, there were a couple that I thought, oh my goodness, you know, when is this going to happen? And now it's like, Ugh, now what's happening?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Now it's happening and now it's blinking on and on and on. That's another part of the story. It's like, can we just end this? Like, is this ever going to be over? Are we ever going to be done with this?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, I know. I know. But then I also know that me personally, like, yes, I like summer, but I also like summer spaces &lt;laugh&gt; not during peak season. So I'm definitely a spring and fall summer girl, if that makes sense. Like catch me in May, catch me in September, then I'm ready to do Summer.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I'll tell you, I'll take summer whenever, however I can get it. It'll be nice to just have days where the weather is decent, it's not storming, and we can actually outside. I don’t know. That would be my ideal day.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I think that is a big part of it, because where we both live, Canada keeps blowing smoke in our faces and that's an issue as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Now we're stuck indoors. Any new TV shows?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes. So actually our point, we did not just come here to moan about our to-do lists or the weather, but as I'm sure most, if not all, of our listeners know, there are a couple of strikes happening. Certainly the WGA, the writers have been on strike since May and now SAG/Aftra, the actors, have joined them in solidarity and they bring some very important points to the table about compensation and the value of their work so we're going to talk about that and also about how this affects some of us, because certainly a lot of comms pros work in the industry or even work in segments that intersect with the industry that a complete work stoppage is certainly affecting. But you know, the SAG/Aftra union is bringing to the fore the issue of it, basically, it's not the 2%. It's not Tom Cruise that's suffering, it's the working actors, the, I forget, what did they say? Is it 13% of their union qualifies for health insurance?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Which I mean, so yeah. Let's frame this.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>So even though these are unionized workers, I think the broader issues hit the entire labor market including people like us solos, because at the core of this is how do you value people and the creative and intellectual talent that they bring to the supply chain of their output. And there's such a huge disparity when you see - so writers have to earn $26,000 in order to qualify for healthcare. So just keep that in mind. $26,000, that seems like a very small number. So you have that, but then you have these heads of studios making 192 million. They definitely have healthcare and all of the benefits, and I'm not, this is not a rant against millionaires, but it is something that we're seeing play out across the spectrum. And when you throw automation into it, which is a part of their negotiations as well, they want to be protected from -  I would label it as the unethical and inhumane use of artificial intelligence because I'm a technology fan, I love innovation, but innovation is not a replacement for human beings. It's something that can help human beings to work more effectively. And yes, there are some jobs that will go away, but other jobs will be created. We've seen that over history. However, we PR people are also creative people. How many of us recently have had people believe that our work or expertise doesn't deserve, first of all, the amount of money that we charge, they don't see the value. And then how many of them are replacing the writing portion of our jobs? You're thinking that they can replace the writing portion with AI. So the writers are standing against this, but it's this mentality that scares me because you have things like the actors, one of the things that came up in the actors strike is that studios wanted extras to sign away the rights to their images for life forever in perpetuity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>For $200. For $200. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>And in many cases it's less than $200. So you have an extra that goes onto a set. And if you've never been an extra, it's a fascinating experience, particularly if you're trying to break into the industry. Yeah. If you want to break into the film industry being an extra yields, tremendous benefits, it's like, it's akin to internships where you get to be in this environment in which you want to work. You learn things, you learn about the different roles. You learn about how the set works for writers. This also is happening where you're taking away this environment of learning and development because with the writers, they have these things called mini rooms, which means that those writers are not even getting to interact with the rest of the show. So they're not getting to interact in a way that traditionally writers' rooms have happened. And so you're limiting their ability to see the whole picture and to learn and to grow professionally. And so,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. And to do good work because if you have a room full of 12 writers of varying degrees of seniority, I mean that's where the good stuff happens. If you have your four core senior writers and oh, okay the others are going to come in on Thursday…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah. Well the mini rooms just happen within a bubble. They're not interacting with all of the people that the traditional writing rooms get to interact with. And you're not learning about the things, of how your content works on set. And so, again, this is not just about diminishing it, it is diminishing it, it's a value proposition, but it also is bumping up against fear and greed from a certain sector. And we're seeing that play across corporate America as well as people focus on dollars and cents, are they devaluing what humans bring to the table, the creativity and the intellect that we have to offer. And so, you know, I think that, that we all have to be aware of, yes, this is a union, whatever you think about unions, whatever you think about Hollywood. But these issues mirror what's going on in the larger labor market. And yeah, anything that happens in the labor market is going to affect every human being whether you work as a traditional employee or you're self-employed as we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, it's true. It's true. And you know what? Those that are making these, what I would call shortsighted decisions, if they pull back and realize, okay, that might make your next couple of quarters really sing and look fantastic, but how's this going to work for you 10 years down the road, 20 years down the, down the road when people don't want your product because it's not any good? And you know, I'm sure the few at the top, they're like, well, I'll just hang out on my yacht and it'll be fine. But it's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I don't know. I mean,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Imagine, as a viewer you are watching a TV show and it was filmed in Hawaii and you see the extras and you know, two months later you see that same exact scene manipulated by AI and like five other things. Is that fair to viewers? I mean, I think that viewers, you're also diminishing the intelligence of the people who watch these things, who consume your content. We are not stupid. We notice those things. And you know what? Extras, even though I sort of hate that name of extras, because I think acting happens without words as well, I think that they're vital to creating and setting a mood and a tone. We look at all those things. We notice it, we appreciate the depth and breadth of the, the entire creative process. And it is meaningful. So to somehow chop that up and say, it doesn't matter, we can just AI our way into this or we can AI our script.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Because machines are not human beings. And they can crank out words, but they can't crank out nuances, emotions, and personal experiences. If you've ever read articles about how scripts came together, about how ideas came together, about how an actor was in the moment and created something that wasn't on script, AI cannot do that. Oftentimes people developed entire series based on personal experiences or they bring something to their life, or you're in the writer's room and somebody goes, Hey, how about this? And then that, that reality makes its way into the creative process. Can AI do that? No, because AI is not a living being who's interacting with other human beings and has that to bring to the table. So yes, it's helpful in circumstances.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right. Case in point. So, the new Indiana Jones movie. They used AI to create a younger version of Harrison Ford. However, it was still Harrison Ford, 80-year-old Harrison Ford doing the acting. They had the luxury of having a catalog of all of his reactions from all of his films that he had done with that same studio. So, I don’t know if you've seen him describe this, he said, they put the little dots all over his face and he still did the dialogue. But then they did the magic using him. So that's a great use of AI that came in really handy. It kept you in the story. What would not be cool is if they took that whole catalog of Harrison Ford and brought him back as Han Solo in a hundred years. And I guarantee he would probably haunt them. &lt;Laugh&gt;. Yeah. That's the last thing he would want. And honestly, it's just like you said, it's so cringy and unethical.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah. Imagine this, imagine that they did use this to create the next Indiana Jones movie and they paid him zero or they sent him a check for 4 cents. Because lots of actors and writers are receiving checks, residual checks for 4 cents. It costs more to mail the check than what you're receiving when you get something for 23 cents, 27 cents. Don't believe me. Go on social media. Follow the WGA strike hashtag and you'll get lots of information on the writers strike. So imagine as a public relations person, as communicators, we often write things. Can you imagine like somebody using you one time for something and then taking your work and profiting from it over and over and over and over and over again, rather than hiring you. Maybe they throw a bone your way and say, “Oh, we're going to send you 10 cents.” Because that's what they think it's worth.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. I think recently Mandy Moore said that for a streamed episode of This Is Us, an incredibly popular, profitable show. Don't quote me on it. I mean, it was under a dime.</p>
<p>So that is literally what they're renegotiating. They just want to be paid fairly. And I get it, we're in capitalism. The CEOs are beholden to their shareholders. They're beholden to make their shareholders richer. You'll still get rich shareholders, you will still get rich. In fact, you might get richer if you fund these creatives in a way. Yeah. I mean, let's face it, I think Tom Cruise in the last two years, and he's not my favorite person but in the last two years, he has been leading the way to get people back into movie theaters to keep that business going. Why? Because he knows it's good for everybody. And if they can't realize this, that funding good, creative content is in their long-term best interest, then that's just really sad and unfortunate.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, another unfortunate trend that we're seeing play out in the labor market, and you know, again, this hits our industry as well, is that this, this reluctance to present people with professional development opportunities and kind of easing out those entry level people. So we're seeing this with the many writers rooms and not giving people a chance to advance their career. We're seeing it with the actors and the background actors. We also are seeing this in corporate America where people new to the workforce are not receiving training on how to work. All of these things, this is the same issue, played out differently across various industries. We need people entering professions. The reality of our life right now is that there are more open jobs than there are people to fill them. The entire global workforce has aged. There's a map out there somewhere that shows how this aging population impacts the entire workforce.</p>
<p>We're getting older, the median age of US workers has risen. And so if we're not willing to train and we're not willing to give opportunities to people entering our professions, where does that leave us in the future? That's a little crazy. And it says to me, is this where we are right now? So we don't want to pay the people that have the experience. We want to take whatever we can from them. And then we want to, you know, use AI to like cover it up and do other things. But we also don't want to help people to do what we do. Like there's, there's a disconnect there. This is all going to come back and slap us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Bite us. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and you know, at both ends of the spectrum, I think there's ageism at both ends of the spectrum. And what I'm seeing a lot is people applying for what they are told are full-time jobs and then once they're hired, they're only given part-time hours. Well, there goes their opportunity for health insurance, there goes their opportunity to make their living. I'm not saying it's all corporations, but some of the corporations who are bemoaning the fact that people don't want to work, well, they do want to work, they want to be able to provide for themselves. And I'm pretty sure even if you don't love your job, you still like the feeling of contributing to society even if you don't realize it. So if they're not provided the proper platform, like you say, with proper training, and that could be as simple as we know, Karen, everyone's talking about Gen Z, they don't know how to operate in an office. Well maybe, just maybe, you need to start a program to help that, to help nurture them, nurture their intelligence, you know, nurture the gifts that they bring to you. And if you say you're looking for full-time, hire them for full-time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>The reality is I think that we need to, we as communicators also need to make sure that we're not playing into that narrative. And we don't allow companies to play that narrative because it's actually, it's erroneous. Gen Z, how do you learn to work unless people teach you to work, they don't teach you how to work in school. Education does not do that. No, education does not teach you how to live your life. Education does not teach you those subtle nuances about how to conduct meetings or how to participate in meetings or how to engage with your coworkers. Those are things that you learn on the job. And so I have seen a couple companies that are stepping up and coming up with training programs that are teaching these soft skills to younger workers. Unfortunately that's not being normalized. And it’s to all of our detriment that there's not this investment in the next generation of workers.</p>
<p>Because if we're not teaching them, how would they learn? They come up with their own rules that may not match what your expectations are. And then you get mad and you say, well, Gen Z's lazy. Well, they're really not. Maybe, maybe they're onto something. Maybe they're not willing because they live through the Covid years and they see how quickly our lives can shift. Maybe they're not willing to work 12 hours a day in an office. Is that being lazy or is that being smart? Maybe they've decided that, you know what? Work cannot be the number one thing in my life. It is a part of my life, but I also have this other life that I'm going to tend to. Is that being lazy or is that being balanced? So I think we're unfair to them as well. And, we hold some responsibility for that, which, you know, that whole generational thing is a topic that we'll delve into at some point on this podcast.</p>
<p>But today it's all about workers' rights and how this is shifting and how it really does impact us. And from a practical standpoint that everyone can find accessible. What happens when the content creators go away? Because fall TV now has officially already been disrupted. So enjoy those reality shows and reruns because that's all we're going to have for a while. And you know, if you don't have people making movies, promoting movies, entertainment is going to stink. And, and that's going to affect jobs. I mean, yeah. I have friends that work on moving construction sets. They build sets. There's no movie making happening right now. They're not working. What about the people who clean the costumes? What about the food caterers? They're not working either. What about all of these people who normally buy things that can't buy things because they are not working? This is everyone's issue. And I know sometimes people get caught up in numbers, like, actors make so much money. Yeah. They really don't.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, they don't. And I'm glad to see those that are out there stating that fact that yeah, we're the, we are the lucky few.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>And you know, even with the AI stuff, if they're trying to pull this with us, what chance do those who aren't at this point in their careers, what chance do they have? There's definitely going to be a ripple effect. And you know, look, unions have done a lot of good, they're not perfect. But if you enjoy your five day work week, thank your union. If you enjoy weekends, thank your union. Someone's got to draw the line because if we did not have them drawing the line, trust, the rest of non-unionized corporate America would be far worse than it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah, and the math is Right. Whether those people are in the union or not, giving a voice to these issues that I think we all need to be aware of. And I think one of the key things for us as communicators is understanding and protecting our own intellectual property. And standing strong for the value that we deliver. Because I honestly do see this, this environment that we're in currently that is wholly focused on economics with a shortsighted view to the value of communicators. So you see companies that you know, and this happens in economic downturns. What are the first departments to go? Marketing and communication. And we know that's problematic. Companies don't care. They only care about how those numbers look right now and moving forward for the future. And they, I think that at some levels of the company, they realize the steps back that they will take, but it's a risk that they're willing to accept. But again, our profession is also being devalued and media is definitely going through dramatic shifts as well. And so I feel like these issues that apply to Hollywood writers also touch the journalists that we interact with.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Well, we've given you a ton to chew on this week. So we hope you found this time valuable. And please, we want to hear your feedback. Visit us at soloprpro.com. Hit us up. If you found this of value to you, please share it around. We would love that too. We love spending this time with you. And so until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The issues and circumstances that led to the current writers and actors strikes -- with corporations devaluing the creativity, expertise, and contribution of workers – mirrors what is going on in the larger labor market, whether you work as a traditional employee or self-employed. In this episode we talk about how this touches our solo PR world and what to do about it.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How goes it today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Good, good. Rolling along. Can't believe we are looking at the end of July. It is wild. Ugh.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Wild is a huge understatement. Yes, I am very much looking forward to getting on the other side of this and hopefully recapturing in August as a little bit of me time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I agree, and that's usually how it goes. I don't know why I am surprised that I'm feeling this way because just the way the work cycle goes, there are things happening, things going on, and why everyone's out and about, you know, hanging out on the beach and enjoying the boardwalk and things. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Later, later, later. And then by the time I'm there in August and September, they're all, back to school. I'm like, stinks to be you, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, you know, it's interesting because in my industries that I work with, typically this is a quiet time. Everybody is on holiday, they're away. And summer is quiet and then it ramps up hard in September.  This year, you and I have joked and I said that I feel like my life is a grocery cart running, going downhill, and I'm chasing after it, and I just can't run fast enough or long enough to catch it. I just can’t. I've never been so far behind in stuff. There are people that have emailed me that I haven't answered. If you're listening today, sorry, it's not personal. It's just I can't catch up. And every day I go back and I do something that I'm neglected. Okay, that's one of the hundred things that's hanging out there, but yay &lt;laugh&gt;,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It has been a little bit like that. Yeah. I think just the way certain projects have happened, there were a couple that I thought, oh my goodness, you know, when is this going to happen? And now it's like, Ugh, now what's happening?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Now it's happening and now it's blinking on and on and on. That's another part of the story. It's like, can we just end this? Like, is this ever going to be over? Are we ever going to be done with this?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, I know. I know. But then I also know that me personally, like, yes, I like summer, but I also like summer spaces &lt;laugh&gt; not during peak season. So I'm definitely a spring and fall summer girl, if that makes sense. Like catch me in May, catch me in September, then I'm ready to do Summer.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I'll tell you, I'll take summer whenever, however I can get it. It'll be nice to just have days where the weather is decent, it's not storming, and we can actually outside. I don’t know. That would be my ideal day.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I think that is a big part of it, because where we both live, Canada keeps blowing smoke in our faces and that's an issue as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Now we're stuck indoors. Any new TV shows?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes. So actually our point, we did not just come here to moan about our to-do lists or the weather, but as I'm sure most, if not all, of our listeners know, there are a couple of strikes happening. Certainly the WGA, the writers have been on strike since May and now SAG/Aftra, the actors, have joined them in solidarity and they bring some very important points to the table about compensation and the value of their work so we're going to talk about that and also about how this affects some of us, because certainly a lot of comms pros work in the industry or even work in segments that intersect with the industry that a complete work stoppage is certainly affecting. But you know, the SAG/Aftra union is bringing to the fore the issue of it, basically, it's not the 2%. It's not Tom Cruise that's suffering, it's the working actors, the, I forget, what did they say? Is it 13% of their union qualifies for health insurance?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Which I mean, so yeah. Let's frame this.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>So even though these are unionized workers, I think the broader issues hit the entire labor market including people like us solos, because at the core of this is how do you value people and the creative and intellectual talent that they bring to the supply chain of their output. And there's such a huge disparity when you see - so writers have to earn $26,000 in order to qualify for healthcare. So just keep that in mind. $26,000, that seems like a very small number. So you have that, but then you have these heads of studios making 192 million. They definitely have healthcare and all of the benefits, and I'm not, this is not a rant against millionaires, but it is something that we're seeing play out across the spectrum. And when you throw automation into it, which is a part of their negotiations as well, they want to be protected from -  I would label it as the unethical and inhumane use of artificial intelligence because I'm a technology fan, I love innovation, but innovation is not a replacement for human beings. It's something that can help human beings to work more effectively. And yes, there are some jobs that will go away, but other jobs will be created. We've seen that over history. However, we PR people are also creative people. How many of us recently have had people believe that our work or expertise doesn't deserve, first of all, the amount of money that we charge, they don't see the value. And then how many of them are replacing the writing portion of our jobs? You're thinking that they can replace the writing portion with AI. So the writers are standing against this, but it's this mentality that scares me because you have things like the actors, one of the things that came up in the actors strike is that studios wanted extras to sign away the rights to their images for life forever in perpetuity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>For $200. For $200. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>And in many cases it's less than $200. So you have an extra that goes onto a set. And if you've never been an extra, it's a fascinating experience, particularly if you're trying to break into the industry. Yeah. If you want to break into the film industry being an extra yields, tremendous benefits, it's like, it's akin to internships where you get to be in this environment in which you want to work. You learn things, you learn about the different roles. You learn about how the set works for writers. This also is happening where you're taking away this environment of learning and development because with the writers, they have these things called mini rooms, which means that those writers are not even getting to interact with the rest of the show. So they're not getting to interact in a way that traditionally writers' rooms have happened. And so you're limiting their ability to see the whole picture and to learn and to grow professionally. And so,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. And to do good work because if you have a room full of 12 writers of varying degrees of seniority, I mean that's where the good stuff happens. If you have your four core senior writers and oh, okay the others are going to come in on Thursday…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah. Well the mini rooms just happen within a bubble. They're not interacting with all of the people that the traditional writing rooms get to interact with. And you're not learning about the things, of how your content works on set. And so, again, this is not just about diminishing it, it is diminishing it, it's a value proposition, but it also is bumping up against fear and greed from a certain sector. And we're seeing that play across corporate America as well as people focus on dollars and cents, are they devaluing what humans bring to the table, the creativity and the intellect that we have to offer. And so, you know, I think that, that we all have to be aware of, yes, this is a union, whatever you think about unions, whatever you think about Hollywood. But these issues mirror what's going on in the larger labor market. And yeah, anything that happens in the labor market is going to affect every human being whether you work as a traditional employee or you're self-employed as we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, it's true. It's true. And you know what? Those that are making these, what I would call shortsighted decisions, if they pull back and realize, okay, that might make your next couple of quarters really sing and look fantastic, but how's this going to work for you 10 years down the road, 20 years down the, down the road when people don't want your product because it's not any good? And you know, I'm sure the few at the top, they're like, well, I'll just hang out on my yacht and it'll be fine. But it's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I don't know. I mean,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Imagine, as a viewer you are watching a TV show and it was filmed in Hawaii and you see the extras and you know, two months later you see that same exact scene manipulated by AI and like five other things. Is that fair to viewers? I mean, I think that viewers, you're also diminishing the intelligence of the people who watch these things, who consume your content. We are not stupid. We notice those things. And you know what? Extras, even though I sort of hate that name of extras, because I think acting happens without words as well, I think that they're vital to creating and setting a mood and a tone. We look at all those things. We notice it, we appreciate the depth and breadth of the, the entire creative process. And it is meaningful. So to somehow chop that up and say, it doesn't matter, we can just AI our way into this or we can AI our script.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Because machines are not human beings. And they can crank out words, but they can't crank out nuances, emotions, and personal experiences. If you've ever read articles about how scripts came together, about how ideas came together, about how an actor was in the moment and created something that wasn't on script, AI cannot do that. Oftentimes people developed entire series based on personal experiences or they bring something to their life, or you're in the writer's room and somebody goes, Hey, how about this? And then that, that reality makes its way into the creative process. Can AI do that? No, because AI is not a living being who's interacting with other human beings and has that to bring to the table. So yes, it's helpful in circumstances.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right. Case in point. So, the new Indiana Jones movie. They used AI to create a younger version of Harrison Ford. However, it was still Harrison Ford, 80-year-old Harrison Ford doing the acting. They had the luxury of having a catalog of all of his reactions from all of his films that he had done with that same studio. So, I don’t know if you've seen him describe this, he said, they put the little dots all over his face and he still did the dialogue. But then they did the magic using him. So that's a great use of AI that came in really handy. It kept you in the story. What would not be cool is if they took that whole catalog of Harrison Ford and brought him back as Han Solo in a hundred years. And I guarantee he would probably haunt them. &lt;Laugh&gt;. Yeah. That's the last thing he would want. And honestly, it's just like you said, it's so cringy and unethical.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah. Imagine this, imagine that they did use this to create the next Indiana Jones movie and they paid him zero or they sent him a check for 4 cents. Because lots of actors and writers are receiving checks, residual checks for 4 cents. It costs more to mail the check than what you're receiving when you get something for 23 cents, 27 cents. Don't believe me. Go on social media. Follow the WGA strike hashtag and you'll get lots of information on the writers strike. So imagine as a public relations person, as communicators, we often write things. Can you imagine like somebody using you one time for something and then taking your work and profiting from it over and over and over and over and over again, rather than hiring you. Maybe they throw a bone your way and say, “Oh, we're going to send you 10 cents.” Because that's what they think it's worth.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. I think recently Mandy Moore said that for a streamed episode of This Is Us, an incredibly popular, profitable show. Don't quote me on it. I mean, it was under a dime.</p>
<p>So that is literally what they're renegotiating. They just want to be paid fairly. And I get it, we're in capitalism. The CEOs are beholden to their shareholders. They're beholden to make their shareholders richer. You'll still get rich shareholders, you will still get rich. In fact, you might get richer if you fund these creatives in a way. Yeah. I mean, let's face it, I think Tom Cruise in the last two years, and he's not my favorite person but in the last two years, he has been leading the way to get people back into movie theaters to keep that business going. Why? Because he knows it's good for everybody. And if they can't realize this, that funding good, creative content is in their long-term best interest, then that's just really sad and unfortunate.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, another unfortunate trend that we're seeing play out in the labor market, and you know, again, this hits our industry as well, is that this, this reluctance to present people with professional development opportunities and kind of easing out those entry level people. So we're seeing this with the many writers rooms and not giving people a chance to advance their career. We're seeing it with the actors and the background actors. We also are seeing this in corporate America where people new to the workforce are not receiving training on how to work. All of these things, this is the same issue, played out differently across various industries. We need people entering professions. The reality of our life right now is that there are more open jobs than there are people to fill them. The entire global workforce has aged. There's a map out there somewhere that shows how this aging population impacts the entire workforce.</p>
<p>We're getting older, the median age of US workers has risen. And so if we're not willing to train and we're not willing to give opportunities to people entering our professions, where does that leave us in the future? That's a little crazy. And it says to me, is this where we are right now? So we don't want to pay the people that have the experience. We want to take whatever we can from them. And then we want to, you know, use AI to like cover it up and do other things. But we also don't want to help people to do what we do. Like there's, there's a disconnect there. This is all going to come back and slap us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Bite us. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and you know, at both ends of the spectrum, I think there's ageism at both ends of the spectrum. And what I'm seeing a lot is people applying for what they are told are full-time jobs and then once they're hired, they're only given part-time hours. Well, there goes their opportunity for health insurance, there goes their opportunity to make their living. I'm not saying it's all corporations, but some of the corporations who are bemoaning the fact that people don't want to work, well, they do want to work, they want to be able to provide for themselves. And I'm pretty sure even if you don't love your job, you still like the feeling of contributing to society even if you don't realize it. So if they're not provided the proper platform, like you say, with proper training, and that could be as simple as we know, Karen, everyone's talking about Gen Z, they don't know how to operate in an office. Well maybe, just maybe, you need to start a program to help that, to help nurture them, nurture their intelligence, you know, nurture the gifts that they bring to you. And if you say you're looking for full-time, hire them for full-time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>The reality is I think that we need to, we as communicators also need to make sure that we're not playing into that narrative. And we don't allow companies to play that narrative because it's actually, it's erroneous. Gen Z, how do you learn to work unless people teach you to work, they don't teach you how to work in school. Education does not do that. No, education does not teach you how to live your life. Education does not teach you those subtle nuances about how to conduct meetings or how to participate in meetings or how to engage with your coworkers. Those are things that you learn on the job. And so I have seen a couple companies that are stepping up and coming up with training programs that are teaching these soft skills to younger workers. Unfortunately that's not being normalized. And it’s to all of our detriment that there's not this investment in the next generation of workers.</p>
<p>Because if we're not teaching them, how would they learn? They come up with their own rules that may not match what your expectations are. And then you get mad and you say, well, Gen Z's lazy. Well, they're really not. Maybe, maybe they're onto something. Maybe they're not willing because they live through the Covid years and they see how quickly our lives can shift. Maybe they're not willing to work 12 hours a day in an office. Is that being lazy or is that being smart? Maybe they've decided that, you know what? Work cannot be the number one thing in my life. It is a part of my life, but I also have this other life that I'm going to tend to. Is that being lazy or is that being balanced? So I think we're unfair to them as well. And, we hold some responsibility for that, which, you know, that whole generational thing is a topic that we'll delve into at some point on this podcast.</p>
<p>But today it's all about workers' rights and how this is shifting and how it really does impact us. And from a practical standpoint that everyone can find accessible. What happens when the content creators go away? Because fall TV now has officially already been disrupted. So enjoy those reality shows and reruns because that's all we're going to have for a while. And you know, if you don't have people making movies, promoting movies, entertainment is going to stink. And, and that's going to affect jobs. I mean, yeah. I have friends that work on moving construction sets. They build sets. There's no movie making happening right now. They're not working. What about the people who clean the costumes? What about the food caterers? They're not working either. What about all of these people who normally buy things that can't buy things because they are not working? This is everyone's issue. And I know sometimes people get caught up in numbers, like, actors make so much money. Yeah. They really don't.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, they don't. And I'm glad to see those that are out there stating that fact that yeah, we're the, we are the lucky few.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>And you know, even with the AI stuff, if they're trying to pull this with us, what chance do those who aren't at this point in their careers, what chance do they have? There's definitely going to be a ripple effect. And you know, look, unions have done a lot of good, they're not perfect. But if you enjoy your five day work week, thank your union. If you enjoy weekends, thank your union. Someone's got to draw the line because if we did not have them drawing the line, trust, the rest of non-unionized corporate America would be far worse than it is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yeah, and the math is Right. Whether those people are in the union or not, giving a voice to these issues that I think we all need to be aware of. And I think one of the key things for us as communicators is understanding and protecting our own intellectual property. And standing strong for the value that we deliver. Because I honestly do see this, this environment that we're in currently that is wholly focused on economics with a shortsighted view to the value of communicators. So you see companies that you know, and this happens in economic downturns. What are the first departments to go? Marketing and communication. And we know that's problematic. Companies don't care. They only care about how those numbers look right now and moving forward for the future. And they, I think that at some levels of the company, they realize the steps back that they will take, but it's a risk that they're willing to accept. But again, our profession is also being devalued and media is definitely going through dramatic shifts as well. And so I feel like these issues that apply to Hollywood writers also touch the journalists that we interact with.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. Well, we've given you a ton to chew on this week. So we hope you found this time valuable. And please, we want to hear your feedback. Visit us at soloprpro.com. Hit us up. If you found this of value to you, please share it around. We would love that too. We love spending this time with you. And so until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane:
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How goes it today?
Karen Swim, APR:
Hello, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?
Michelle Kane:
Good, good. Rolling along. Can't believe we are looking at the end of July. It is wild. Ugh.
Karen Swim, APR:
Wild is a huge understatement. Yes, I am very much looking forward to getting on the other side of this and hopefully recapturing in August as a little bit of me time.
Michelle Kane:
I agree, and that's usually how it goes. I don't know why I am surprised that I'm feeling this way because just the way the work cycle goes, there are things happening, things going on, and why everyone's out and about, you know, hanging out on the beach and enjoying the boardwalk and things. And I'm just like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Later, later, later. And then by the time I'm there in August and September, they're all, back to school. I'm like, stinks to be you, &lt;laugh&gt;.
Karen Swim, APR:
Well, you know, it's interesting because in my industries that I work with, typically this is a quiet time. Everybody is on holiday, they're away. And summer is quiet and then it ramps up hard in September.  This year, you and I have joked and I said that I feel like my life is a grocery cart running, going downhill, and I'm chasing after it, and I just can't run fast enough or long enough to catch it. I just can’t. I've never been so far behind in stuff. There are people that have emailed me that I haven't answered. If you're listening today, sorry, it's not personal. It's just I can't catch up. And every day I go back and I do something that I'm neglected. Okay, that's one of the hundred things that's hanging out there, but yay &lt;laugh&gt;,
Michelle Kane:
It has been a little bit like that. Yeah. I think just the way certain projects have happened, there were a couple that I thought, oh my goodness, you know, when is this going to happen? And now it's like, Ugh, now what's happening?
Karen Swim, APR:
Now it's happening and now it's blinking on and on and on. That's another part of the story. It's like, can we just end this? Like, is this ever going to be over? Are we ever going to be done with this?
Michelle Kane:
Yeah, I know. I know. But then I also know that me personally, like, yes, I like summer, but I also like summer spaces &lt;laugh&gt; not during peak season. So I'm definitely a spring and fall summer girl, if that makes sense. Like catch me in May, catch me in September, then I'm ready to do Summer.
Karen Swim, APR:
&lt;Laugh&gt;. I'll tell you, I'll take summer whenever, however I can get it. It'll be nice to just have days where the weather is decent, it's not storming, and we can actually outside. I don’t know. That would be my ideal day.
Michelle Kane:
I think that is a big part of it, because where we both live, Canada keeps blowing smoke in our faces and that's an issue as well.
Karen Swim, APR:
Now we're stuck indoors. Any new TV shows?
Michelle Kane:
Yes. So actually our point, we did not just come here to moan about our to-do lists or the weather, but as I'm sure most, if not all, of our listeners know, there are a couple of strikes happening. Certainly the WGA, the writers have been on strike since May and now SAG/Aftra, the actors, have joined them in solidarity and they bring some very important points to the table about compensation and the value of their work so we're going to talk about t]]></itunes:summary>
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<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. So glad to be back from our little one week break. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes, I'm well, thanks. Yes, it was, you know, even the things you love the most, it's always nice to have a little break, but yeah, I'm glad to be back at it, and talk with you today. And today we're going to talk a little bit about race because a lot of the work we do, we have to counsel our clients on how to handle situations, diversity programs, all that kind of stuff. And let's face it at the end of June, the Supremes dropped some nasty bits. So it gave us a lot to talk about. That was quite the day, June 30th. I'm working and listening to them, I'm like, oh, great. What now? Oh, wonderful. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, the Supreme Court decision has certainly ignited a lot of discussion and reaction. In addition to that, without surprise, social media served up another little bit of scandal. But it has, I believe that it has also launched some very beneficial conversations. Kristen Bell, who I love as an actress had a dinner party and shared a picture of who was at the dinner party. And that has just invited a lot of criticism about the lack of diversity that was at that dinner. And so we want to unpack this and talk about, we just, you know, sometimes you have to confront this thing that we don't like to talk about. Talking about race is uncomfortable. It's not the fun topic, it's not the light topic, but as communicators and just as entrepreneurs and people in business, it's an issue that we should not be shying away from. And I believe that we have to have these discussions and we have to have an understanding, and we have to do our part if we are going to counsel clients to do the same.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Agree, agree. And, also I think in recent weeks, and I sadly do not recall the entities, but I think there were three or four corporations who just let go their heads of diversity. I mean, really, what gives? And so, it's really disturbing. It's concerning and we definitely have to be conscious of it so that we can both help counsel clients and really just make our own mark.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I heard the word that we live in post-racial America. That is the biggest lie that I've ever heard in my life. So let's clear that up. And let's talk about, again, when we talk about race and we talk about diversity, I want to remind you all of another forgotten class of people. And those are people that have visible and hidden disabilities. Yes. So we, if we're really talking about being inclusive as a society, we have to look at all of these factors and we have to make it okay for people to inhabit these spaces. What do I mean by that? Last week there's a Latino family that lives on my block. My neighborhood, my particular block is super diverse. It's really weird in Michigan to have a block that is so diverse, thank you auto companies for bringing people from other countries to live on my street because yeah, we are a little United Nations here and I love it.</p>
<p>So there's a little girl - a lot of the kids come down and they ride their bikes. I have kids on either side of me and the little girl has a dog that I've met and I've met her family and I know that she speaks Spanish. So we were talking about something and I said something to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English and I said something else to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English. Now, these roles are usually reversed. Because I was usually the one that can understand the Spanish fast enough, but can't always get my words out fast enough, so I'll answer in English. And she said to me that it felt weird to speak Spanish outside of the house, because when our family came here from Mexico, her parents instructed them as they were learning English, to not speak Spanish outside of the home.</p>
<p>That was heartbreaking to me because I know so many Spanish speaking Americans that feel that way and feel like they will be judged and treated differently. And they're not wrong because I've experienced this myself. When I’m in the park walking and speaking Spanish to my dog, and people pass me by and they are mean to me because I'm speaking in another language. So I know that this is true, this is not okay. So when you say post-racial America, when people are afraid to own their own culture, speak in a language that is other than English, by the way, you want to know how many people in the world speak Spanish? We always want to think that English is the dominant language, Spanish is spoken all over the world. There is no shame in having this as a second language. And people should not be embarrassed to speak in their first language in public. Right. That is painful.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And it's a tradition that's been handed down through the centuries. You know, we did it to Germans, we did it to Japanese, we did it to all kinds of people. And it's, I don't know where this insecurity comes from. No, actually I do. It's a lot of these problems in our society come back to fear.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Fear of, of the quote unquote other fear of, well, how's that going to affect my security? And you can't lie the societal forces around us sometimes they play into that to their favor. I was so internally angry over the weekend when I got wind that my former church is doing a culture and civility series. And I'm like, oh, here we go. Don't go there. And the current pastor said, “Okay, in Hollyweird now they have certain quotas to be considered for an Oscar.” And I know where he was going. He was going against the LGBTQ community. So I thought, you know what, let me look this up because I'm, I'm 99% sure he is dead wrong. I'm like, no, it's because of #Oscarssowhite - that's why if you weren't, if you were any bit mature and intelligent and loving as Jesus wanted you to be, you would realize that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>There is this attitude that somehow being inclusive is tied into extreme woke. And we've made that an evil thing. But let me be really clear with our communicators and with our business people, diversity does not just happen. You have to be so intentional about inviting people into your spaces. So the affirmative action piece is really distressing. Not because I believe that you should be less intelligent and get accepted into these spaces, but because there again, there has to be some accountability for being intentional about bringing diversity into a space. And now, rightfully so, the legacy system is being challenged.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Good,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I find it pretty disgusting to be honest with you, that in this day and age that we're saying that just because your parents went to a place that you have a right to be in that same place. And that's what you considered when that definitely favors one class of people. And that's wealthy white people. And so you're ruling out so many people that don't fit into that, which is the majority of people. Can we be honest about that? Because wealthy white Americans are a small percentage of our overall society. So you're leaving out others and that's not okay. You're benefiting a class of people just because their parents went there. That shouldn't be a thing for education, whether it's private education or not, it just should not be a thing. People have the ability to enter a school without any of this. However, we haven't done a good job of making education equitable.</p>
<p>So challenge yourself, institutions, to think about what you're going to do to make these spaces more diversified. And that includes with your teaching staff, because those are overwhelmingly slanted as well. And so we need to be intentional. I know the Kristen Bell thing seems different and people are saying, well, you know, there's this group of people that are like, well, these are her friends, that's fine. However, let's remember that in this group of people, they belong to an industry. You want to know what happens when people within an industry get together? It's networking. Deals are done. This is where power is exchanged and shared. And when that power remains with a class of people, we never change. We never become diversified. This is true of Hollywood.</p>
<p>It's true of so many industries where deals are being made. You only have the same type of people in a room, whether it's on a golf course, at a country club, at a chamber meeting. If you don't have diversity in the room, guess what happens? You never diversify. We have to be the ones as communicators to guide our clients into not giving up on to on DEI and B, but to be very, very intentional and to hold themselves accountable for opening the door for people that are not all of the same race, gender, and ability. We have to, we have to do that. We owe it. This is something that, again, this has nothing to do with woke and this has to do with humanity. It has to do with making us better. And guess what, I could cite you statistics all day long on how all of these things actually benefit your bottom line as a corporation. Why wouldn't you want to do something that leads to employees being more engaged, more loyal to your company and making more money for your corporation? It would, if you look at it from that perspective, like, this is good business. You're stupid not to put some effort and some muscle behind diversity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>You are so correct. And you know, we battle that in our hyperlocal chamber. It is Whitey McWhiteville around here. They are welcoming communities. It just isn't that diverse. Now, at the same time, we have a significant batch of businesses that are Hispanic owned. And it is a struggle to get these communities, you know, like how do we engage the Hispanic business leaders? You don't want to create like a, a little offshoot of it. You don't want to say, well, here's the Hispanic chapter. No. I mean, we want you to come on in. How do you do that without being too pandering or where there's no animosity. But I think too, it's just pulling back big picture, the white community, so to speak, has been, let's face it, in charge for a very, very long time, specifically white males.</p>
<p>And it is interesting to see how it then distills into fear of, oh, I, I might lose my footing. And I'm not saying that this is always conscious. Sometimes it is for sure. I think it's been so ingrained. And it's like, you know, really? What's the worst that can happen to you? I mean, if I'm applying to a school, I want to be, I want it to be on my merits. If I don't get it, fine. If someone else gets it great. I, who, who cares? Who? That's could just be me. For me, I want to learn, I want to know why things happen. I want to know real history that doesn't, as you know, those doing the the bastardization of the word woke would say, “That's going to make me feel better about myself.”</p>
<p>No, it's going to make me want to do better and realize what someone's sitting across from me, what their story is. I don't know. I mean, I am, but two or three generations away from a people that were, they were attempted to be murdered and exterminated in Ireland. So I I get it a little bit. And I really believe that that generational knowledge comes with you. So it's really concerning. It's always riled me when I see things happen that are just unfair and unjust just because of who you are, what faith you practice, what language you speak. I mean, thank God Gaelic is having a comeback just because of the cultural value of it. It's just kind of fun. But my goodness, for a while, if you were in Ireland in the 1700’s and you wanted to speak your native tongue, you’d be killed.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Sorry, we'll bring it back to modern times.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt; History will bear out that Yeah, this racial reckoning in America is nothing new. No, it really sadly is not. And there have been so many different ethnicities of people who have been oppressed and who have been made to feel shame and who have been forced to fit into this homogenous view of what it means to be an American. And I mean, that is really sad because again, going back to humanity, you, you, humankind is beautiful. I love that we're not all the same. I love that we all come from different backgrounds. I love that. I love that we have all these beautiful different traditions that we can share with one another. And we should be able to live in a world where we view people as people. We are not there yet. And so no, as communicators, I think, you know, some of the things that we can own and we can do is that we can make sure that we have messaging that is inclusive, that we make sure that even for our media relations efforts that we put together talking points that are inclusive so that the media says the right things about what our clients are doing.</p>
<p>Perfect example. Don't say “special needs kids,” you would say “children with disabilities” - it's people first language. You want to respect that they're not their disability. That's not what identifies them. They're a human being that has a disability. And I even hate the word disability these days because I believe that we all have different abilities. I believe that none of us is perfect. And I believe that because it's the truth. Not a single person is perfect. We all have something I need reading glasses. Some people need glasses all the time. That means that you don't have perfect eyesight. What does that mean? That means that you have to be accommodated.</p>
<p>That means if you're a kid in school and your vision is not good, that you may need to sit closer in class. So we need to start thinking about, again, all of these ways that we're different and learning how to open up our spaces to make room for everyone. I think it's also important in our messaging that we don't take for granted. And humor can get really tricky, by the way. Don't take for granted that everyone will share the humor or get the inside joke. Again, people who are not native English speakers often struggle with that because they miss the context. They hear the laughter, but don't quite understand how. That's funny. So if you're using humor in your messaging, you want to be mindful about who your publics are and make sure that your message will not be lost because it's targeted to a very narrow group of people.</p>
<p>So I, you know, these are things that we definitely can know and we can also, you know, if you do internal comms, you have an opportunity to work side by side with HR on making sure that things are inclusive internally. Now I get that we're not involved in the trainings and things that can happen, but companies definitely can be intentional. And as a communicator, you need to stand for that and insist that things are not put together. Strategies are not put together. Messaging is not developed, branding is not developed from a very narrow lens, but that you're looking at it from various perspectives to ensure that what you're trying to say is really what you're going to say.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. And honestly, at the crux of it, at the center of it, this is how we should always look at communications. If we truly know who our audiences are, you want to be respectful of them, their backgrounds. We're certainly not saying that you should be afraid to say anything. It's just like, okay, well who's in my audience? Whether it's internal or external. Okay. How might this message land with them? Keeping in mind too, just the current temperature and tone of our society something that might have hit a little differently 10 years ago is not going to hit the same right now. So we know you're all smart, we know you get this, but it's good to talk about this. And I think too, over time, and because as a nation we've not done a great job at this, is because we really haven't had the conversations. We haven't had the hard conversations of, oh, well gosh, what was that really like for you? Because I need to learn. And that doesn't matter if you have gender, race, physical issues - until you've truly walked in someone's shoes, you can't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>It's absolutely true. And yeah, I mean, we say this, we're addressing this topic because again, as communicators, it's important for us to tackle and to turn over these things and to have these discussions and make having these discussions be very normal. I think. You know, someone says to me, “Hey, you know that I struggle with this when people do this and I feel a little left out of that space,” that drives awareness for me and helps me to do my part to make things more inclusive. Because just because I am a black woman in America does not mean that I get to take a pass on intentionally driving toward diversity. I do not get that pass. I have a responsibility to be inclusive as well. And I have a responsibility, just like all of you, to our clients. But here's the thing, clearly we have work to do because we're not there yet. And so, no matter how smart you think you are and how open you think you are and how diverse you think you are, we're not there. We're just not there. That is our reality. And this again, has nothing to do with political agendas. It has nothing to do with wokeness. This is about humanity and it's about being effective at our jobs and helping our clients to be effective at what they're doing as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>And you know what, it's so much better to try to have the conversations and maybe step in it and move forward from there than to not have the conversations at all or not have the awareness at all.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Agree. I mean, as communicators, we cannot be shy about bringing up the hard stuff. We have to address hard stuff all the time. We have to ask clients uncomfortable questions because we don't want things to come out later that harm our efforts. I've said to clients, like, this panel does not work, there's zero diversity. You have a bunch of men that are all the same race. Like, this is not okay. And so I think we have to get comfortable saying those kinds of things. We have to get comfortable saying could just stop inviting black people to only speak during Black History Month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I mean, could we not do that? Yeah. I don't know. I'm saying &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Just, just saying &lt;laugh&gt;. No, it's so true. And they're difficult conversations. It can feel awkward, but I think once you start having them, it feels less so. And I think you will find that it feels good. I know that sounds weird.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yes. But, and I would say please be mindful. You know, Kristen Bell, I have empathy and so let me be clear, we didn't share this story because we want to have her bashed or to have her cancelled because I'm not a fan of cancel culture. I am a fan of reconciliation and healing. But she is someone who wrote a book about diversity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>She wrote a book about diversity. She advocates for diversity and then she shares a picture that's like, really? Girl, do you not have any, were they just not invited to dinner? Are there people not at the table that are missing? Maybe all the diverse people are, you know, still swimming in the pool. I, don’t know what's happening. You really missed the mark. So, yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. Did she post it to her Instagram?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Oh God. She posted it to her Instagram and poor baby. She, she like a lamb to the slaughter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Girl, just keep her,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Where's purple? Where are the purple people in your picture? ‘Cause I'm not seeing purple. I'm not seeing any color here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's also like, ooh look at all of us fabulous people, especially during a writer's strike. Like really &lt;laugh&gt; and I, not to say, I know they're being supportive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I agree. But you know, how often have we as communicators, God bless her PR people. How often have we been in that situation where we have clients that don't make the connection between who they are as a corporation or who they represent. And things that they might share publicly. I've said to clients that even when you're doing things and you have interviews that are about your personal life and it has nothing to do with the job that you hold, please remember that that job that you hold as the CEO of a company or a founder, they're intertwined. And so you want to make sure that there's alignment and you do have to be mindful of that. It doesn't mean that you should be fake and inauthentic, but it does mean, think. You have to think about these things. You can't just do things without thought. That's just not a good move. And it'll ruin the good work that you really are trying to do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Agree, agree. Well, that was a lot that we brought before you today. But we hope it gets you thinking and we hope that you will continue this conversation with colleagues and others and let's just keep that door of conversation open. And we appreciate you for giving us your time. We would love it if you would share this around if you found it of value. Check us out at soloprpro.com and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. So glad to be back from our little one week break. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes, I'm well, thanks. Yes, it was, you know, even the things you love the most, it's always nice to have a little break, but yeah, I'm glad to be back at it, and talk with you today. And today we're going to talk a little bit about race because a lot of the work we do, we have to counsel our clients on how to handle situations, diversity programs, all that kind of stuff. And let's face it at the end of June, the Supremes dropped some nasty bits. So it gave us a lot to talk about. That was quite the day, June 30th. I'm working and listening to them, I'm like, oh, great. What now? Oh, wonderful. So…</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Well, the Supreme Court decision has certainly ignited a lot of discussion and reaction. In addition to that, without surprise, social media served up another little bit of scandal. But it has, I believe that it has also launched some very beneficial conversations. Kristen Bell, who I love as an actress had a dinner party and shared a picture of who was at the dinner party. And that has just invited a lot of criticism about the lack of diversity that was at that dinner. And so we want to unpack this and talk about, we just, you know, sometimes you have to confront this thing that we don't like to talk about. Talking about race is uncomfortable. It's not the fun topic, it's not the light topic, but as communicators and just as entrepreneurs and people in business, it's an issue that we should not be shying away from. And I believe that we have to have these discussions and we have to have an understanding, and we have to do our part if we are going to counsel clients to do the same.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Agree, agree. And, also I think in recent weeks, and I sadly do not recall the entities, but I think there were three or four corporations who just let go their heads of diversity. I mean, really, what gives? And so, it's really disturbing. It's concerning and we definitely have to be conscious of it so that we can both help counsel clients and really just make our own mark.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I heard the word that we live in post-racial America. That is the biggest lie that I've ever heard in my life. So let's clear that up. And let's talk about, again, when we talk about race and we talk about diversity, I want to remind you all of another forgotten class of people. And those are people that have visible and hidden disabilities. Yes. So we, if we're really talking about being inclusive as a society, we have to look at all of these factors and we have to make it okay for people to inhabit these spaces. What do I mean by that? Last week there's a Latino family that lives on my block. My neighborhood, my particular block is super diverse. It's really weird in Michigan to have a block that is so diverse, thank you auto companies for bringing people from other countries to live on my street because yeah, we are a little United Nations here and I love it.</p>
<p>So there's a little girl - a lot of the kids come down and they ride their bikes. I have kids on either side of me and the little girl has a dog that I've met and I've met her family and I know that she speaks Spanish. So we were talking about something and I said something to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English and I said something else to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English. Now, these roles are usually reversed. Because I was usually the one that can understand the Spanish fast enough, but can't always get my words out fast enough, so I'll answer in English. And she said to me that it felt weird to speak Spanish outside of the house, because when our family came here from Mexico, her parents instructed them as they were learning English, to not speak Spanish outside of the home.</p>
<p>That was heartbreaking to me because I know so many Spanish speaking Americans that feel that way and feel like they will be judged and treated differently. And they're not wrong because I've experienced this myself. When I’m in the park walking and speaking Spanish to my dog, and people pass me by and they are mean to me because I'm speaking in another language. So I know that this is true, this is not okay. So when you say post-racial America, when people are afraid to own their own culture, speak in a language that is other than English, by the way, you want to know how many people in the world speak Spanish? We always want to think that English is the dominant language, Spanish is spoken all over the world. There is no shame in having this as a second language. And people should not be embarrassed to speak in their first language in public. Right. That is painful.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And it's a tradition that's been handed down through the centuries. You know, we did it to Germans, we did it to Japanese, we did it to all kinds of people. And it's, I don't know where this insecurity comes from. No, actually I do. It's a lot of these problems in our society come back to fear.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Fear of, of the quote unquote other fear of, well, how's that going to affect my security? And you can't lie the societal forces around us sometimes they play into that to their favor. I was so internally angry over the weekend when I got wind that my former church is doing a culture and civility series. And I'm like, oh, here we go. Don't go there. And the current pastor said, “Okay, in Hollyweird now they have certain quotas to be considered for an Oscar.” And I know where he was going. He was going against the LGBTQ community. So I thought, you know what, let me look this up because I'm, I'm 99% sure he is dead wrong. I'm like, no, it's because of #Oscarssowhite - that's why if you weren't, if you were any bit mature and intelligent and loving as Jesus wanted you to be, you would realize that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>There is this attitude that somehow being inclusive is tied into extreme woke. And we've made that an evil thing. But let me be really clear with our communicators and with our business people, diversity does not just happen. You have to be so intentional about inviting people into your spaces. So the affirmative action piece is really distressing. Not because I believe that you should be less intelligent and get accepted into these spaces, but because there again, there has to be some accountability for being intentional about bringing diversity into a space. And now, rightfully so, the legacy system is being challenged.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Good,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I find it pretty disgusting to be honest with you, that in this day and age that we're saying that just because your parents went to a place that you have a right to be in that same place. And that's what you considered when that definitely favors one class of people. And that's wealthy white people. And so you're ruling out so many people that don't fit into that, which is the majority of people. Can we be honest about that? Because wealthy white Americans are a small percentage of our overall society. So you're leaving out others and that's not okay. You're benefiting a class of people just because their parents went there. That shouldn't be a thing for education, whether it's private education or not, it just should not be a thing. People have the ability to enter a school without any of this. However, we haven't done a good job of making education equitable.</p>
<p>So challenge yourself, institutions, to think about what you're going to do to make these spaces more diversified. And that includes with your teaching staff, because those are overwhelmingly slanted as well. And so we need to be intentional. I know the Kristen Bell thing seems different and people are saying, well, you know, there's this group of people that are like, well, these are her friends, that's fine. However, let's remember that in this group of people, they belong to an industry. You want to know what happens when people within an industry get together? It's networking. Deals are done. This is where power is exchanged and shared. And when that power remains with a class of people, we never change. We never become diversified. This is true of Hollywood.</p>
<p>It's true of so many industries where deals are being made. You only have the same type of people in a room, whether it's on a golf course, at a country club, at a chamber meeting. If you don't have diversity in the room, guess what happens? You never diversify. We have to be the ones as communicators to guide our clients into not giving up on to on DEI and B, but to be very, very intentional and to hold themselves accountable for opening the door for people that are not all of the same race, gender, and ability. We have to, we have to do that. We owe it. This is something that, again, this has nothing to do with woke and this has to do with humanity. It has to do with making us better. And guess what, I could cite you statistics all day long on how all of these things actually benefit your bottom line as a corporation. Why wouldn't you want to do something that leads to employees being more engaged, more loyal to your company and making more money for your corporation? It would, if you look at it from that perspective, like, this is good business. You're stupid not to put some effort and some muscle behind diversity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>You are so correct. And you know, we battle that in our hyperlocal chamber. It is Whitey McWhiteville around here. They are welcoming communities. It just isn't that diverse. Now, at the same time, we have a significant batch of businesses that are Hispanic owned. And it is a struggle to get these communities, you know, like how do we engage the Hispanic business leaders? You don't want to create like a, a little offshoot of it. You don't want to say, well, here's the Hispanic chapter. No. I mean, we want you to come on in. How do you do that without being too pandering or where there's no animosity. But I think too, it's just pulling back big picture, the white community, so to speak, has been, let's face it, in charge for a very, very long time, specifically white males.</p>
<p>And it is interesting to see how it then distills into fear of, oh, I, I might lose my footing. And I'm not saying that this is always conscious. Sometimes it is for sure. I think it's been so ingrained. And it's like, you know, really? What's the worst that can happen to you? I mean, if I'm applying to a school, I want to be, I want it to be on my merits. If I don't get it, fine. If someone else gets it great. I, who, who cares? Who? That's could just be me. For me, I want to learn, I want to know why things happen. I want to know real history that doesn't, as you know, those doing the the bastardization of the word woke would say, “That's going to make me feel better about myself.”</p>
<p>No, it's going to make me want to do better and realize what someone's sitting across from me, what their story is. I don't know. I mean, I am, but two or three generations away from a people that were, they were attempted to be murdered and exterminated in Ireland. So I I get it a little bit. And I really believe that that generational knowledge comes with you. So it's really concerning. It's always riled me when I see things happen that are just unfair and unjust just because of who you are, what faith you practice, what language you speak. I mean, thank God Gaelic is having a comeback just because of the cultural value of it. It's just kind of fun. But my goodness, for a while, if you were in Ireland in the 1700’s and you wanted to speak your native tongue, you’d be killed.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Sorry, we'll bring it back to modern times.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt; History will bear out that Yeah, this racial reckoning in America is nothing new. No, it really sadly is not. And there have been so many different ethnicities of people who have been oppressed and who have been made to feel shame and who have been forced to fit into this homogenous view of what it means to be an American. And I mean, that is really sad because again, going back to humanity, you, you, humankind is beautiful. I love that we're not all the same. I love that we all come from different backgrounds. I love that. I love that we have all these beautiful different traditions that we can share with one another. And we should be able to live in a world where we view people as people. We are not there yet. And so no, as communicators, I think, you know, some of the things that we can own and we can do is that we can make sure that we have messaging that is inclusive, that we make sure that even for our media relations efforts that we put together talking points that are inclusive so that the media says the right things about what our clients are doing.</p>
<p>Perfect example. Don't say “special needs kids,” you would say “children with disabilities” - it's people first language. You want to respect that they're not their disability. That's not what identifies them. They're a human being that has a disability. And I even hate the word disability these days because I believe that we all have different abilities. I believe that none of us is perfect. And I believe that because it's the truth. Not a single person is perfect. We all have something I need reading glasses. Some people need glasses all the time. That means that you don't have perfect eyesight. What does that mean? That means that you have to be accommodated.</p>
<p>That means if you're a kid in school and your vision is not good, that you may need to sit closer in class. So we need to start thinking about, again, all of these ways that we're different and learning how to open up our spaces to make room for everyone. I think it's also important in our messaging that we don't take for granted. And humor can get really tricky, by the way. Don't take for granted that everyone will share the humor or get the inside joke. Again, people who are not native English speakers often struggle with that because they miss the context. They hear the laughter, but don't quite understand how. That's funny. So if you're using humor in your messaging, you want to be mindful about who your publics are and make sure that your message will not be lost because it's targeted to a very narrow group of people.</p>
<p>So I, you know, these are things that we definitely can know and we can also, you know, if you do internal comms, you have an opportunity to work side by side with HR on making sure that things are inclusive internally. Now I get that we're not involved in the trainings and things that can happen, but companies definitely can be intentional. And as a communicator, you need to stand for that and insist that things are not put together. Strategies are not put together. Messaging is not developed, branding is not developed from a very narrow lens, but that you're looking at it from various perspectives to ensure that what you're trying to say is really what you're going to say.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. And honestly, at the crux of it, at the center of it, this is how we should always look at communications. If we truly know who our audiences are, you want to be respectful of them, their backgrounds. We're certainly not saying that you should be afraid to say anything. It's just like, okay, well who's in my audience? Whether it's internal or external. Okay. How might this message land with them? Keeping in mind too, just the current temperature and tone of our society something that might have hit a little differently 10 years ago is not going to hit the same right now. So we know you're all smart, we know you get this, but it's good to talk about this. And I think too, over time, and because as a nation we've not done a great job at this, is because we really haven't had the conversations. We haven't had the hard conversations of, oh, well gosh, what was that really like for you? Because I need to learn. And that doesn't matter if you have gender, race, physical issues - until you've truly walked in someone's shoes, you can't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>It's absolutely true. And yeah, I mean, we say this, we're addressing this topic because again, as communicators, it's important for us to tackle and to turn over these things and to have these discussions and make having these discussions be very normal. I think. You know, someone says to me, “Hey, you know that I struggle with this when people do this and I feel a little left out of that space,” that drives awareness for me and helps me to do my part to make things more inclusive. Because just because I am a black woman in America does not mean that I get to take a pass on intentionally driving toward diversity. I do not get that pass. I have a responsibility to be inclusive as well. And I have a responsibility, just like all of you, to our clients. But here's the thing, clearly we have work to do because we're not there yet. And so, no matter how smart you think you are and how open you think you are and how diverse you think you are, we're not there. We're just not there. That is our reality. And this again, has nothing to do with political agendas. It has nothing to do with wokeness. This is about humanity and it's about being effective at our jobs and helping our clients to be effective at what they're doing as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>And you know what, it's so much better to try to have the conversations and maybe step in it and move forward from there than to not have the conversations at all or not have the awareness at all.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Agree. I mean, as communicators, we cannot be shy about bringing up the hard stuff. We have to address hard stuff all the time. We have to ask clients uncomfortable questions because we don't want things to come out later that harm our efforts. I've said to clients, like, this panel does not work, there's zero diversity. You have a bunch of men that are all the same race. Like, this is not okay. And so I think we have to get comfortable saying those kinds of things. We have to get comfortable saying could just stop inviting black people to only speak during Black History Month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>I mean, could we not do that? Yeah. I don't know. I'm saying &lt;laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Just, just saying &lt;laugh&gt;. No, it's so true. And they're difficult conversations. It can feel awkward, but I think once you start having them, it feels less so. And I think you will find that it feels good. I know that sounds weird.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Yes. But, and I would say please be mindful. You know, Kristen Bell, I have empathy and so let me be clear, we didn't share this story because we want to have her bashed or to have her cancelled because I'm not a fan of cancel culture. I am a fan of reconciliation and healing. But she is someone who wrote a book about diversity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>She wrote a book about diversity. She advocates for diversity and then she shares a picture that's like, really? Girl, do you not have any, were they just not invited to dinner? Are there people not at the table that are missing? Maybe all the diverse people are, you know, still swimming in the pool. I, don’t know what's happening. You really missed the mark. So, yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah. Did she post it to her Instagram?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Oh God. She posted it to her Instagram and poor baby. She, she like a lamb to the slaughter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Girl, just keep her,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>Where's purple? Where are the purple people in your picture? ‘Cause I'm not seeing purple. I'm not seeing any color here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's also like, ooh look at all of us fabulous people, especially during a writer's strike. Like really &lt;laugh&gt; and I, not to say, I know they're being supportive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR:</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;. I agree. But you know, how often have we as communicators, God bless her PR people. How often have we been in that situation where we have clients that don't make the connection between who they are as a corporation or who they represent. And things that they might share publicly. I've said to clients that even when you're doing things and you have interviews that are about your personal life and it has nothing to do with the job that you hold, please remember that that job that you hold as the CEO of a company or a founder, they're intertwined. And so you want to make sure that there's alignment and you do have to be mindful of that. It doesn't mean that you should be fake and inauthentic, but it does mean, think. You have to think about these things. You can't just do things without thought. That's just not a good move. And it'll ruin the good work that you really are trying to do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Agree, agree. Well, that was a lot that we brought before you today. But we hope it gets you thinking and we hope that you will continue this conversation with colleagues and others and let's just keep that door of conversation open. And we appreciate you for giving us your time. We would love it if you would share this around if you found it of value. Check us out at soloprpro.com and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane:
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR:
Hello, Michelle. I'm doing great. So glad to be back from our little one week break. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane:
Yes, I'm well, thanks. Yes, it was, you know, even the things you love the most, it's always nice to have a little break, but yeah, I'm glad to be back at it, and talk with you today. And today we're going to talk a little bit about race because a lot of the work we do, we have to counsel our clients on how to handle situations, diversity programs, all that kind of stuff. And let's face it at the end of June, the Supremes dropped some nasty bits. So it gave us a lot to talk about. That was quite the day, June 30th. I'm working and listening to them, I'm like, oh, great. What now? Oh, wonderful. So…
Karen Swim, APR:
Well, the Supreme Court decision has certainly ignited a lot of discussion and reaction. In addition to that, without surprise, social media served up another little bit of scandal. But it has, I believe that it has also launched some very beneficial conversations. Kristen Bell, who I love as an actress had a dinner party and shared a picture of who was at the dinner party. And that has just invited a lot of criticism about the lack of diversity that was at that dinner. And so we want to unpack this and talk about, we just, you know, sometimes you have to confront this thing that we don't like to talk about. Talking about race is uncomfortable. It's not the fun topic, it's not the light topic, but as communicators and just as entrepreneurs and people in business, it's an issue that we should not be shying away from. And I believe that we have to have these discussions and we have to have an understanding, and we have to do our part if we are going to counsel clients to do the same.
Michelle Kane:
Agree, agree. And, also I think in recent weeks, and I sadly do not recall the entities, but I think there were three or four corporations who just let go their heads of diversity. I mean, really, what gives? And so, it's really disturbing. It's concerning and we definitely have to be conscious of it so that we can both help counsel clients and really just make our own mark.
Karen Swim, APR:
I heard the word that we live in post-racial America. That is the biggest lie that I've ever heard in my life. So let's clear that up. And let's talk about, again, when we talk about race and we talk about diversity, I want to remind you all of another forgotten class of people. And those are people that have visible and hidden disabilities. Yes. So we, if we're really talking about being inclusive as a society, we have to look at all of these factors and we have to make it okay for people to inhabit these spaces. What do I mean by that? Last week there's a Latino family that lives on my block. My neighborhood, my particular block is super diverse. It's really weird in Michigan to have a block that is so diverse, thank you auto companies for bringing people from other countries to live on my street because yeah, we are a little United Nations here and I love it.
So there's a little girl - a lot of the kids come down and they ride their bikes. I have kids on either side of me and the little girl has a dog that I've met and I've met her family and I know that she speaks Spanish. So we were talking about something and I said something to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English and I said something else to her in Spanish, and she answered me in English. Now, these roles are usually reversed. Because I was usually the one t]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life: Episode #206 Biting Our Tongues and Minding Our Business</p>
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<p>From unrealistic expectations to news that, well, isn’t, there are times we need to help guide our clients back from the brink and times we need to bite our tongues and mind our business. In this episode we talk about when to say, “No way!” and when to let it go.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qkbRriPRiXHL4rfJt4w-XH7S8YYukCwMK6pMvjSAYvqUciR-TlDV-PGpkGrf8p9Nk4Rv0o0qoQAw1r_ghvfz4K1lVxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.67'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. We're here. It's another episode. Woohoo.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FrObWZAEyqCEip1We_WbiOzq6LTClXQI-YltafZBKk6lmZ5Qgt1UIW9ee2eybMhz1j981J-ifkWuxQo5rzgqsaIu2KY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.76'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hey Michelle. We made it into another week and I am grateful for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IN3NU5pfnbajvSArT_4RgMXhQnKcg3rWPtyEU1wjuXusDLHKa0CocqtLFAJpJ3pcfvCJG5D15_cbSYtks-FMvn4fa_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.59'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Me too. It's always good to kick a day to the curb and go into the next one, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/msAcgedTqMoWtY88q5BKF0D9bJEpvn-Tvaf41OGxwOQLno29OTz6UVzGzJJmetZtrlz0P4sqJST8BO8fP5EqLCeEByc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.08'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l_O7TI6fMo3f6HOGy4ExMkf14it_oGFRrCRqbVnRbsQa5LgFeu-7fjsLdxee58zCkztU2ZYA6ZBDCWq9Kok0951FSOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.51'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>And, and I think we're going to have a little fun today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xRjhRGzuIJlfUw0WHG-IaYQJQP55wSfz-W5V7-IPppN2Ieu3zxPvbOsoeg65KnTXdMiWC4QZyUs3fWxenN86VimdUtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.8'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/upu_m-NhSiaPKRu0_rnyAbwUSBR7rFW67zr-d2105vMCbfDd6Xg2CerXSbJI5QnsTs5tWkKuUzBScaZjfqDLeKAU3XM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>We're going to talk about when clients have unrealistic expectations. Now I know what you're thinking. That never happens. What, what could you two possibly have to talk about, right? &lt;Laugh&gt;?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gcsQ0sr9O0yBFfJp3Fk3Ruyc9jcqIrxLyy9bOLaj2k2zT0phSssN9SwCRZHzrTTEdPbOhuA2Tmh2rmJENMWMrB4BVec?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.57'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Haha.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/d6lgI10DFlz_3v6NpdBe8B2nlZSsNA3Xu2D-p3dOshGJzaBxtqd6K_TVGlNlqm32QQURkk3HC4AlnktQTNN5FTuN2KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.26'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>But you know, it's we say this a lot. A big part of our job is education. You know, helping our clients realize what exactly it is they're getting when they engage with a PR pro. And at the same time setting and managing realistic expectations for success. And sometimes that kicks in just fine. Sometimes they still have these lovely expectations.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JjYWE-sfBpXNHhYWCXNMlPaS9PDsUjiot_7oxs20tI-caDZYVyzWysPvgcVfmNMmt69l9M0c20fQxY27Ll0ZT5-5dTU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.96'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>100%. Yeah. And so sometimes it's more than unrealistic expectations. Sometimes they're just downright cuckoo &lt;laugh&gt; , I can't think of, of a more professional term. Forgive us today. &lt;Laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vEgbP72JMliudUHcHgYCfYchJVPaI6YBGkvm9zfyXIe_5HA2-7hs9cvaKYf5iDIsuonGXD1gxEHxwuL42Bzvvm5rajU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.09'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's right. I know. It's been a month already. Yeah. Like, they want the Rolls Royce for the price of a Honda. You've seen the graphics, right? With someone scribbling with their Paint app saying, you know, looking for a graphic designer, that kind of thing. Or,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NtSjfNezCAtLD9DJ7JwoQTpt72eJfnCHjGR7ejV5pC6LkPikydNdBssf0Wqi7YsQI7Qic5T3KF5Uknb9MxTY9SyZ1vE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.07'>02:05</a>):</p>
<p>Or, and I think, here's one of the things that really comes in when you have clients that are just being unreasonable. There was a survey might have been a couple years ago, and the survey showed that it was offered by, I think, Bridge Global Strategies. And it was a survey about people who work in PR - in agencies, corporations, independent contractors, just all kinds of PR people.</p>
<p>These were people that had experience. So almost a hundred percent. It was like 94%. More than 94% had 10 or more years of experience. And then more than 67% had more than 20 years of experience. So these are seasoned professionals. And then they measured - it was all about failure. And it said that 85% of people admitted to having failed at one time or another. But here's the interesting tidbit - 57% said  when asked if the failure was tied to not setting PR goals or setting unrealistic goals at the start, 57% said yes. And I think that that's really important because that's more than half of those surveyed. Now, some of the other reasons for failure, the top reason is the budget was too small and the client wasn't paying us enough for hours to accomplish the goals. That is so common.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Huge.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>And then, the number two reason was the client or company saw itself, or its product as really unique, but it turned out that it was not very well differentiated from competitors. And so we know that all of you are nodding your heads, this happens all the time. And it's a big part of what we have to continue to re reinforce with clients and continue to educate. I have been doing this for more than 15 years as well, nearly 20 years. And I would agree with all of those things. And as seasoned as I am and as thoughtful and meticulous as we are during the prospecting pro process and the onboarding process, we still have to remind clients of what PR really involves. Yeah. People truly do not, first of all, understand the amount of labor that goes into getting the results that we get.</p>
<p>And it starts when we're putting together strategic plans because we don't just go, “Hey, thanks for being a client and now we're just going to go out pitching.” There's a lot of things that have to be in place before we do that. And I don't think clients understand them. All of those things are for your benefit, dear clients. They're not because we don't know how to do our jobs, they're for your benefit. Us taking the time to put together a strategic plan helps us to have a document that aligns goals. It helps us to concur on what the challenges are in your company, in your industry. It helps us to affirm the trends that we're seeing and affirm that those are the trends that you're seeing. It helps us to make sure that we're looking at the right competitors. And it gives you a different lens by having somebody take and outside view on your business and make sure that we're attacking the right problems and coming up with the right solution.</p>
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<p>So this is beneficial to you, this is work. But so often clients have in their mind that PR is just media results. Right. Period. And they don't understand what it takes to get there. You know, when we do secure a piece of coverage, then we have to do your briefing. We have to prepare you for an interview. We have to go through the interview, the interview has to be coordinated after the interview is coordinated and it happens, there's often tons of follow-up questions that we're managing. And then maybe the coverage will appear in two weeks,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U2kg7oX81qD4wtzcblzBgVZ3Lr6sd5-WTA37icNuT3PLiGMyyGrOwdqbyAESfzSaA8sUwuvin7p7gfC_-0z8yCTo0kY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.71'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe a month</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cKnE2X3iUYgvnSnUJ_xvJyGi-oAbWouSJyYP7j19xo2FTZOMgvV0RX3_MjNKQkEzCbX8cu2BARmUk7w9t4j5SEK78d8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=389.39'>06:29</a>):</p>
<p>Could be seven months later, could be next year. We have no control over that. And God forbid that there's something in the final story that needs to be corrected. So there are a lot of things that happen in a lot of moving pieces, and I think that with clients, the unrealistic expectations start with not really a appreciating everything that we do to get to that final result.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1Z4JHvuHCBjYa5KeLktFWGYLCZKle1H6N7I9qodAKIWoEx32ldJEGXVPtWFViPNKyp3gfDkTuXrhbgde54tjK2XxiQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.36'>06:56</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And that's, and even many times attempting to achieve that final result, because we do not have control over that. Which, like you said, is why it's wise to also have tactics beyond media relations. And they think it's simple. And again, I think psychologically it comes down to, well, we use the same tools. We type on a keyboard and we print things on paper so we can do it. And you know, I don't mean to devalue clients out there, but there's so much more to that, you know? Just a little bit more to that. And, like you said, sometimes the product, the project, even the event does not have the unique angle that they're looking for. So a lot of times, I will seek to temper those unrealistic expectations by coaching them that people want to feel compelled to act in whatever way you want them to. So it's got to have a human story. Reporters want to tell someone's story, not just say, “Hey, look at this great new thing.” And that can take time and that can take figuring out who the right targets are, all that good stuff that I know we all know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ismpt76ZcOS95SNE_VWs-YNbidnGJogXSrTWVvbXuZf50sTnE4wuM5agw3SeC9rn3VCCPDpftDS8D59Jo1kYm1wXVQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.27'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>It's true. But we all face those situations where you have to make the decision, like, how far do I push this? Where do I put my stake in the ground? For me it's always, what hill do I die on and which thing do I walk away from? And I think that we routinely bite our tongues on what we really want to say sometimes to people, but it's our job to always provide confident strategic counsel. And so I think, you know, one of the things that helps me to decide when to let it go and when to forcefully fight for something is if it's going to harm the client or their publics, I'm going to fight you. Hard. I'm going to go to the death on it. And I don't mean that I'm going to argue with you, I'm going to advocate for the right thing. I'm not ever going to be a part of something that is unethical. I have had to just very plainly say that in the past, like, this is unethical. No, we can't do that. Even if it means that you resign yourself from a client, if they will not take your counsel and it's something unethical and you have to resign yourself to not be a part of it, it's well worth it to hold onto your reputation and your integrity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WJ0dvasQuFK8DaRfGfzNPuYVp48gYFcVbNgCIHbUkR3eoIjDJ9Yos8KITRlJRHJFe0J_3R4tGzXsnrPfDPNeOI_Bf8c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=609.48'>10:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Because at the end of the day, that's all you have is your integrity and your name. And so, please never, ever compromise the integrity of your work and your name, your company name. I know, I get it sometimes, hey, I really need this billing. I get it. But I promise you it's always the right thing to do</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QqwxO7IVSPs3fxo0FRaUuTBUSKk22qP3xlo4WlCzuxFGnFmFwqBk2rA43_lppcY6qUj8-lfztkcSKZdD8abvlumy7BE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=633.87'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because we have seen, we have seen this, so we have lots of ways that people have cut corners and that they have done things. And eventually it does become a crisis because you cannot operate unethically and expect nothing to go wrong. So the client who wants to do that is not the client for you. And they're creating problems for themselves. They're taking these shortcuts to get short-term wins, but they won't last and it will harm them even more in the long run. And so those things I think for all of us, and we know this, we know that those are non-negotiable, but then there are those things like, okay, should I just let it go? So great example is, you know, a client has a new product and they want to do a press release. Clients love press release.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vIhFUPOzoGPH4MKr8rkfiLOA_e0wDXGhH2_NiwgE7nBckSw2ybWltvjSBqNc5INdiwJ4_T9ykXmREw6rhoTFNjxeL2w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=686.56'>11:26</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, they do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bUonJOZPrErcvYpzDGklxVvjecHj87MAFI633XsGLgPrPJR_EnibHp0sSuVAkcmci1v-93R8ZQ8qLU1zEK3KHiDKaS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=687.38'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>We just love them. But everything is not news. No. We know that. We know how to counsel through this. Sometimes you're not going to win and they are just going to want to announce their product. You let it go. However, in letting it go, there are a couple things that you can do. Number one, try to get to the root of why this is so important to them. Ask questions like, great, this is so great and I understand why the company is so excited about this product. Let's talk a little bit about what you think or hope for a press release to do for business. Sometimes they just want to put it out there. When you work in tech, you see this all the time, there are a lot of our client competitors and we point this out to them as a value add.</p>
<p>They do zero thought leadership. They have no POV, they have no bylined articles, they have nothing out there except for product press releases. That's all they do. Product press releases because that's the only “PR” that they know how to do. And so if they're in an industry that routinely does product announcement press releases, sometimes you have to let it go and let them have their product. Press release isn’t the end of the world. It really isn't. But you have to set the table, Hey, I understand it. And as long as you understand that you putting this out there aligns you with what your competitors do and what is normal in this industry. And it may have some SEO benefit, but this is not a news trigger. This is not something that we would go out and pitch stories around. And as long as we're aligned on those objectives, I'm happy to put this out on the wire for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Un0HdzYWpfL8cmmmkUBTJl__XGMQbJCCQehC5PlmCcIf8iZCF-feEvPXs8u7Hi58-JHx-TPlmAwgg3RR-SoDY_PwKmY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=795.88'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. You know, as long as you know it's a low hum, you might get, you know, a little tidbit and a business listing of “here's what's happening this week.” As long as you know that, fine. I call it the “so what?” factor. I'll say, “okay, that's great. But I'm going to counter with, “So what? So your company's 50. So what? Where's the ‘care’ in that? Are you going to initiate a program with a nonprofit in honor of this and we're going to affect lives? Awesome. That I can sell.” It'll get you a little blurb in the business journal if we're lucky. And that's ok too, but just know that that's all it's going to get you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3RCCOK5I0ky3GSyaNI_Rq4vFnfmXUZBTUyMlDtA1GGAS_utzFsI1zpZoUh-fzutVc3Lj1nWDO8JEIOaZ_3VnIQkgDE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.52'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>And that's called honesty. Because at the end of the day, if you don't speak up and really provide counsel, and you're quiet about, eh, I don't think that's a good idea. And you're not really saying exactly what you need to say to the client. And then they don't get the results that they think in their mind they should get. Guess who's going to be held accountable? It's you. And so you need to speak up. But I also think sometimes you can redirect or come up with something that actually gets them the results that they want with a different tactic. Yes. So, maybe they bring you something and they're all gung-ho about doing it, and you ask questions. “Wow. Yeah. That, that would be a good idea. However, let's take a step back. What is it that you really, what's the importance?” Do they want to drive business leads? Are they trying to get signups for something in particular? Do they need to do a certain amount of demos? You know, what is it? Find out what's really going on because clients are not always articulating what's beneath the scenes. You know, new leadership is coming in and we need to do this because we're afraid we're going to be acquired. Because I am trying to show my boss that marketing has value. Sometimes you'll get this, sometimes your contact is the CMO and they're under fire. Find out what's really going on. Don't be afraid to ask a lot of questions and say, “Okay, look, I know that you know this, so let's be honest with one another. Let me know what's going on, and then let's figure out a better way to hit your goals.” Because often there is another way that you can do what they get what they want instead of the bad method that they've proposed.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Zsrx1xjwX372h100u1HtaoUXSeDU255RjfjS2Q-TVN2mHGP9NiJCBye38ei4Q2l_j-j0r6gzF0ophrikmYHeMEmxEOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=959.69'>15:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And so often it's something that, you know, not for their lack of experience, but they just might not have thought of. I use two phrases all the time. I say, “Look, I don't need to know everything, but I need to know everything.” And “I'm only as good as the information that I have. So if I don't have the information, I'm no good.” So help me help you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xBZTQdBZZaj8CNr52Nlw2qoO5PJ0M_TvzjchJMIkdgMyPU2GTEnJJhFaQMycA0ElDA9gKOjTgSXJqAokRZDKGg0Jy8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=983.51'>16:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. How, how many of us in the audience, and I know that so many of you will raise your hand, have ever had clients that are so gung-ho about op-eds without, and it's because something has crossed their, their eyes that they are just fired up about. And they need to say it and it hits in their wheelhouse and they just need to say it. That's not what an op-ed is though. And we know that. We know that you can't just because you're mad about something and because it's in your space that you can't just write what a what a equates to a blog post and have the New York Times publish it. That's just not how things work.</p>
<p>No,&lt;laugh&gt;. So &lt;laugh&gt;, we've all been in that situation where you have to sort of talk them down and say, Hmm, I understand that. And if they really want to do an op-ed, you can recommend an op-ed writer. Maybe you're an op-ed writer who does PR, you can write the op-ed for them and explain to them what an op-ed really does. You know? Here's how you really get an op-ed published. Maybe they want to be on the Joe Rogan podcast. And you have to dial it back and explain, “Have you listened to the podcast? Do you see common threads with the guests that they have on?” And I mean, this is true of others, sometimes people want things and it's like, have you noticed that everybody they talk to is from a publicly traded company or they have written five books? I'm not saying that you're not important to a lot of people, including me, but I'm saying that they look over hidden gems like yourself. Because this is the playbook. Clients don't always get that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yCu-PQqMcpGwAd46c11x30MsFr8AeVWHu8K00F6JxwzZL0y1FYbLedFNUlK-phVsGZEZ52vsXvXoEIPL-VY0w3nsgt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.29'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And sometimes they don't get that. Sometimes it really does come down to serendipity.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r8hyNtZ3nLYJzKe5LZ72Bit1r__y4NaPKf5te38OD9FEab5HvdFJSa0ZTGfvjg0RkqHmLVeHVSHhXEica1ETIgC4TYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.5'>18:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QJEcP8w9Esb5nEsO881iHk7nuNhuBCsWQwqgkU1l_NhC3pORhOOVjwxwmchAAq0MQ5bdkwqJwgjhMbPV1BxxPgJ-g8A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1103.04'>18:23</a>):</p>
<p>You know, even if you are all those things, it still doesn't mean that you're going to get the placement. And that has so many factors, you know, timing, just so many things that can play into that. And sometimes it's tough, but that's the beauty of coming up with other ideas that end up being more useful really than just the shiny thing that they might want. You know, get me on the Today Show!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2F11pvPaaoYR417UsQaNBjD0eLnVirH4RO3pIt1qZD24Q2mR7g4EXV3RQLic90WyFOdlu7YZV34hxaUaWwwIhlOl1CE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1137.84'>18:57</a>):</p>
<p>That used to be the rallying cry. Now it's this article in the New York Times. Can we get that too?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jajRrQ-zpgKpDRA-d45xF-GyIpRsEIo0DNqvFVh5WRCppziU0jLOTlERZ-oN4foBRabumrG0BfLwGYZYPRqJrzw0qdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.48'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>No, No.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IMfB1l3Xefd64Y8-V5yRMbwPQrW4vZmJ74I7zrMf2phkKqWCXyEcRo4eyCx9RM0zxO7MNNGWTtPYFjOtaET9yReXH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.94'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt; No, you can't. But you know, again, it's sometimes you bite your tongue when it's, listen, you let them have some things, you let them have it. You still gently guide them in what they can really expect from doing this thing that they are so hot on doing. And you let them have it. And I don't want to demean clients, but we all know that in every relationship there's negotiation, right? Mm-Hmm. Whether it's personal or professional, you negotiate with the people that you're in relationship with, with friends, with spouses, with your kids. There's negotiation that happens all the time. And sometimes we have to let people do what they are so intent on doing. And we can't always cushion the landing for them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hZzmoVUv8iyH9gF2MqhvYfXSL75OANPriwRX9Eph8ruc4930ywADqOVxlMt1KdbZFXuZ_DZ6F5b1Kd5E1IDAijGoh3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1205.85'>20:05</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ToukKXou5TwpHJFbi3KlypqbyTY1kGOp6vMP4r1M_txjli2-ZOR3eWTHZWpXvEq-6DRuXGAbX1rSY-konC3kW7KFMgA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1206.21'>20:06</a>):</p>
<p>We can't, sometimes they just have to do it and experience what you've already told them will happen. We don't want that for our clients. But there are those times when it's, again, as we've talked about, when it's not unethical, when it's not going to harm them, it's just going to be a boneheaded thing that they do. And then just be there to continue on with the good work. I've had clients do studies and me and my colleague, we are research queens. We are the queens of research. She actually worked in research before PR, we know research, we know data. We know how to sell a study. We know how to write a study. We know how to put the questions together. We work with so many of the top research firms. We know this space. But inevitably there's a client that is seduced by some big name and they spend an incredible amount of money on a study that no one's ever going to cover and no one cares about. In those instances, sometimes you got to bite your tongue and mind your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D92d9gJFen7aGgtkbjozhoMag8gaVuF8fJVtaMGlwLEbsVC_Xa_qRypmuWfQ2niyfMGVkPdg8Y9ygwgJ_Ve7waZP45Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1276.57'>21:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yep. Definitely. You know, for me it's sometimes you've got to let those Oxford commas go unless they really change the meaning of the sentence &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3FsRTIq7dBIkU8TvSS5JUTACYIhXwMR_dyxAh26l3ZUC8t1eV1QMtE7kLwi5PPoND39MIpZvQpKzVV477tcCxC0Zqc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1290.3'>21:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nqiXOklaco5Gbf5lD5UmRRQWHToFEw4kmws9q-tlvgtvLCRJPT2NbW-uDvLUzJ-TcOT6WiavpKegB6dwKc1r-EXrLYo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.39'>21:31</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, the beauty actually of all these opportunities, because in our line of work, we know how to find the value, even if it's a horrific &lt;laugh&gt; failure. But these are learning opportunities, right? It's not like you're going to go back to your client and say, I told you so. It's okay, let's reevaluate. Where could we have done better? Perhaps this will work better next time. Let's all learn from this and we dust ourselves off and we move on to the next thing. And that is okay.</p>
<p>So yes, as counselors, we are here to put out that mom arm as you slam on the brakes to make sure that our clients are safe. You hope they listen. If they don't, hopefully next time they will wear their seatbelt, which is listening to us.</p>
<p>So we hope you've gotten something out of this and I expect you were giggling along and thinking of all the times you bit your tongue and also minded your business.</p>
<p>We appreciate each and every one of you. And if you did get value out of this, please share it around. And if you have any feedback, hit us up at soloprpro.com. We are on Instagram, we are on Facebook, and of course, at the mothership, the website of soloprpro.com. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That Solo Life: Episode #206 Biting Our Tongues and Minding Our Business</p>
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<p>From unrealistic expectations to news that, well, isn’t, there are times we need to help guide our clients back from the brink and times we need to bite our tongues and mind our business. In this episode we talk about when to say, “No way!” and when to let it go.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qkbRriPRiXHL4rfJt4w-XH7S8YYukCwMK6pMvjSAYvqUciR-TlDV-PGpkGrf8p9Nk4Rv0o0qoQAw1r_ghvfz4K1lVxQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=2.67'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. We're here. It's another episode. Woohoo.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/FrObWZAEyqCEip1We_WbiOzq6LTClXQI-YltafZBKk6lmZ5Qgt1UIW9ee2eybMhz1j981J-ifkWuxQo5rzgqsaIu2KY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=20.76'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Hey Michelle. We made it into another week and I am grateful for that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/IN3NU5pfnbajvSArT_4RgMXhQnKcg3rWPtyEU1wjuXusDLHKa0CocqtLFAJpJ3pcfvCJG5D15_cbSYtks-FMvn4fa_k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=25.59'>00:25</a>):</p>
<p>Me too. It's always good to kick a day to the curb and go into the next one, &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/msAcgedTqMoWtY88q5BKF0D9bJEpvn-Tvaf41OGxwOQLno29OTz6UVzGzJJmetZtrlz0P4sqJST8BO8fP5EqLCeEByc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.08'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l_O7TI6fMo3f6HOGy4ExMkf14it_oGFRrCRqbVnRbsQa5LgFeu-7fjsLdxee58zCkztU2ZYA6ZBDCWq9Kok0951FSOw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=34.51'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>And, and I think we're going to have a little fun today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xRjhRGzuIJlfUw0WHG-IaYQJQP55wSfz-W5V7-IPppN2Ieu3zxPvbOsoeg65KnTXdMiWC4QZyUs3fWxenN86VimdUtA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=37.8'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/upu_m-NhSiaPKRu0_rnyAbwUSBR7rFW67zr-d2105vMCbfDd6Xg2CerXSbJI5QnsTs5tWkKuUzBScaZjfqDLeKAU3XM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=39'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>We're going to talk about when clients have unrealistic expectations. Now I know what you're thinking. That never happens. What, what could you two possibly have to talk about, right? &lt;Laugh&gt;?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gcsQ0sr9O0yBFfJp3Fk3Ruyc9jcqIrxLyy9bOLaj2k2zT0phSssN9SwCRZHzrTTEdPbOhuA2Tmh2rmJENMWMrB4BVec?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=51.57'>00:51</a>):</p>
<p>Haha.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/d6lgI10DFlz_3v6NpdBe8B2nlZSsNA3Xu2D-p3dOshGJzaBxtqd6K_TVGlNlqm32QQURkk3HC4AlnktQTNN5FTuN2KE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=55.26'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>But you know, it's we say this a lot. A big part of our job is education. You know, helping our clients realize what exactly it is they're getting when they engage with a PR pro. And at the same time setting and managing realistic expectations for success. And sometimes that kicks in just fine. Sometimes they still have these lovely expectations.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JjYWE-sfBpXNHhYWCXNMlPaS9PDsUjiot_7oxs20tI-caDZYVyzWysPvgcVfmNMmt69l9M0c20fQxY27Ll0ZT5-5dTU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=84.96'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>100%. Yeah. And so sometimes it's more than unrealistic expectations. Sometimes they're just downright cuckoo &lt;laugh&gt; , I can't think of, of a more professional term. Forgive us today. &lt;Laugh&gt;</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vEgbP72JMliudUHcHgYCfYchJVPaI6YBGkvm9zfyXIe_5HA2-7hs9cvaKYf5iDIsuonGXD1gxEHxwuL42Bzvvm5rajU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=106.09'>01:46</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's right. I know. It's been a month already. Yeah. Like, they want the Rolls Royce for the price of a Honda. You've seen the graphics, right? With someone scribbling with their Paint app saying, you know, looking for a graphic designer, that kind of thing. Or,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NtSjfNezCAtLD9DJ7JwoQTpt72eJfnCHjGR7ejV5pC6LkPikydNdBssf0Wqi7YsQI7Qic5T3KF5Uknb9MxTY9SyZ1vE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=125.07'>02:05</a>):</p>
<p>Or, and I think, here's one of the things that really comes in when you have clients that are just being unreasonable. There was a survey might have been a couple years ago, and the survey showed that it was offered by, I think, Bridge Global Strategies. And it was a survey about people who work in PR - in agencies, corporations, independent contractors, just all kinds of PR people.</p>
<p>These were people that had experience. So almost a hundred percent. It was like 94%. More than 94% had 10 or more years of experience. And then more than 67% had more than 20 years of experience. So these are seasoned professionals. And then they measured - it was all about failure. And it said that 85% of people admitted to having failed at one time or another. But here's the interesting tidbit - 57% said  when asked if the failure was tied to not setting PR goals or setting unrealistic goals at the start, 57% said yes. And I think that that's really important because that's more than half of those surveyed. Now, some of the other reasons for failure, the top reason is the budget was too small and the client wasn't paying us enough for hours to accomplish the goals. That is so common.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Huge.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>And then, the number two reason was the client or company saw itself, or its product as really unique, but it turned out that it was not very well differentiated from competitors. And so we know that all of you are nodding your heads, this happens all the time. And it's a big part of what we have to continue to re reinforce with clients and continue to educate. I have been doing this for more than 15 years as well, nearly 20 years. And I would agree with all of those things. And as seasoned as I am and as thoughtful and meticulous as we are during the prospecting pro process and the onboarding process, we still have to remind clients of what PR really involves. Yeah. People truly do not, first of all, understand the amount of labor that goes into getting the results that we get.</p>
<p>And it starts when we're putting together strategic plans because we don't just go, “Hey, thanks for being a client and now we're just going to go out pitching.” There's a lot of things that have to be in place before we do that. And I don't think clients understand them. All of those things are for your benefit, dear clients. They're not because we don't know how to do our jobs, they're for your benefit. Us taking the time to put together a strategic plan helps us to have a document that aligns goals. It helps us to concur on what the challenges are in your company, in your industry. It helps us to affirm the trends that we're seeing and affirm that those are the trends that you're seeing. It helps us to make sure that we're looking at the right competitors. And it gives you a different lens by having somebody take and outside view on your business and make sure that we're attacking the right problems and coming up with the right solution.</p>
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<p>So this is beneficial to you, this is work. But so often clients have in their mind that PR is just media results. Right. Period. And they don't understand what it takes to get there. You know, when we do secure a piece of coverage, then we have to do your briefing. We have to prepare you for an interview. We have to go through the interview, the interview has to be coordinated after the interview is coordinated and it happens, there's often tons of follow-up questions that we're managing. And then maybe the coverage will appear in two weeks,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U2kg7oX81qD4wtzcblzBgVZ3Lr6sd5-WTA37icNuT3PLiGMyyGrOwdqbyAESfzSaA8sUwuvin7p7gfC_-0z8yCTo0kY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=387.71'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe a month</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cKnE2X3iUYgvnSnUJ_xvJyGi-oAbWouSJyYP7j19xo2FTZOMgvV0RX3_MjNKQkEzCbX8cu2BARmUk7w9t4j5SEK78d8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=389.39'>06:29</a>):</p>
<p>Could be seven months later, could be next year. We have no control over that. And God forbid that there's something in the final story that needs to be corrected. So there are a lot of things that happen in a lot of moving pieces, and I think that with clients, the unrealistic expectations start with not really a appreciating everything that we do to get to that final result.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1Z4JHvuHCBjYa5KeLktFWGYLCZKle1H6N7I9qodAKIWoEx32ldJEGXVPtWFViPNKyp3gfDkTuXrhbgde54tjK2XxiQs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=416.36'>06:56</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And that's, and even many times attempting to achieve that final result, because we do not have control over that. Which, like you said, is why it's wise to also have tactics beyond media relations. And they think it's simple. And again, I think psychologically it comes down to, well, we use the same tools. We type on a keyboard and we print things on paper so we can do it. And you know, I don't mean to devalue clients out there, but there's so much more to that, you know? Just a little bit more to that. And, like you said, sometimes the product, the project, even the event does not have the unique angle that they're looking for. So a lot of times, I will seek to temper those unrealistic expectations by coaching them that people want to feel compelled to act in whatever way you want them to. So it's got to have a human story. Reporters want to tell someone's story, not just say, “Hey, look at this great new thing.” And that can take time and that can take figuring out who the right targets are, all that good stuff that I know we all know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ismpt76ZcOS95SNE_VWs-YNbidnGJogXSrTWVvbXuZf50sTnE4wuM5agw3SeC9rn3VCCPDpftDS8D59Jo1kYm1wXVQQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=509.27'>08:29</a>):</p>
<p>It's true. But we all face those situations where you have to make the decision, like, how far do I push this? Where do I put my stake in the ground? For me it's always, what hill do I die on and which thing do I walk away from? And I think that we routinely bite our tongues on what we really want to say sometimes to people, but it's our job to always provide confident strategic counsel. And so I think, you know, one of the things that helps me to decide when to let it go and when to forcefully fight for something is if it's going to harm the client or their publics, I'm going to fight you. Hard. I'm going to go to the death on it. And I don't mean that I'm going to argue with you, I'm going to advocate for the right thing. I'm not ever going to be a part of something that is unethical. I have had to just very plainly say that in the past, like, this is unethical. No, we can't do that. Even if it means that you resign yourself from a client, if they will not take your counsel and it's something unethical and you have to resign yourself to not be a part of it, it's well worth it to hold onto your reputation and your integrity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WJ0dvasQuFK8DaRfGfzNPuYVp48gYFcVbNgCIHbUkR3eoIjDJ9Yos8KITRlJRHJFe0J_3R4tGzXsnrPfDPNeOI_Bf8c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=609.48'>10:09</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Because at the end of the day, that's all you have is your integrity and your name. And so, please never, ever compromise the integrity of your work and your name, your company name. I know, I get it sometimes, hey, I really need this billing. I get it. But I promise you it's always the right thing to do</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QqwxO7IVSPs3fxo0FRaUuTBUSKk22qP3xlo4WlCzuxFGnFmFwqBk2rA43_lppcY6qUj8-lfztkcSKZdD8abvlumy7BE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=633.87'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because we have seen, we have seen this, so we have lots of ways that people have cut corners and that they have done things. And eventually it does become a crisis because you cannot operate unethically and expect nothing to go wrong. So the client who wants to do that is not the client for you. And they're creating problems for themselves. They're taking these shortcuts to get short-term wins, but they won't last and it will harm them even more in the long run. And so those things I think for all of us, and we know this, we know that those are non-negotiable, but then there are those things like, okay, should I just let it go? So great example is, you know, a client has a new product and they want to do a press release. Clients love press release.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vIhFUPOzoGPH4MKr8rkfiLOA_e0wDXGhH2_NiwgE7nBckSw2ybWltvjSBqNc5INdiwJ4_T9ykXmREw6rhoTFNjxeL2w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=686.56'>11:26</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, they do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bUonJOZPrErcvYpzDGklxVvjecHj87MAFI633XsGLgPrPJR_EnibHp0sSuVAkcmci1v-93R8ZQ8qLU1zEK3KHiDKaS4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=687.38'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>We just love them. But everything is not news. No. We know that. We know how to counsel through this. Sometimes you're not going to win and they are just going to want to announce their product. You let it go. However, in letting it go, there are a couple things that you can do. Number one, try to get to the root of why this is so important to them. Ask questions like, great, this is so great and I understand why the company is so excited about this product. Let's talk a little bit about what you think or hope for a press release to do for business. Sometimes they just want to put it out there. When you work in tech, you see this all the time, there are a lot of our client competitors and we point this out to them as a value add.</p>
<p>They do zero thought leadership. They have no POV, they have no bylined articles, they have nothing out there except for product press releases. That's all they do. Product press releases because that's the only “PR” that they know how to do. And so if they're in an industry that routinely does product announcement press releases, sometimes you have to let it go and let them have their product. Press release isn’t the end of the world. It really isn't. But you have to set the table, Hey, I understand it. And as long as you understand that you putting this out there aligns you with what your competitors do and what is normal in this industry. And it may have some SEO benefit, but this is not a news trigger. This is not something that we would go out and pitch stories around. And as long as we're aligned on those objectives, I'm happy to put this out on the wire for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Un0HdzYWpfL8cmmmkUBTJl__XGMQbJCCQehC5PlmCcIf8iZCF-feEvPXs8u7Hi58-JHx-TPlmAwgg3RR-SoDY_PwKmY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=795.88'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. You know, as long as you know it's a low hum, you might get, you know, a little tidbit and a business listing of “here's what's happening this week.” As long as you know that, fine. I call it the “so what?” factor. I'll say, “okay, that's great. But I'm going to counter with, “So what? So your company's 50. So what? Where's the ‘care’ in that? Are you going to initiate a program with a nonprofit in honor of this and we're going to affect lives? Awesome. That I can sell.” It'll get you a little blurb in the business journal if we're lucky. And that's ok too, but just know that that's all it's going to get you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3RCCOK5I0ky3GSyaNI_Rq4vFnfmXUZBTUyMlDtA1GGAS_utzFsI1zpZoUh-fzutVc3Lj1nWDO8JEIOaZ_3VnIQkgDE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=846.52'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>And that's called honesty. Because at the end of the day, if you don't speak up and really provide counsel, and you're quiet about, eh, I don't think that's a good idea. And you're not really saying exactly what you need to say to the client. And then they don't get the results that they think in their mind they should get. Guess who's going to be held accountable? It's you. And so you need to speak up. But I also think sometimes you can redirect or come up with something that actually gets them the results that they want with a different tactic. Yes. So, maybe they bring you something and they're all gung-ho about doing it, and you ask questions. “Wow. Yeah. That, that would be a good idea. However, let's take a step back. What is it that you really, what's the importance?” Do they want to drive business leads? Are they trying to get signups for something in particular? Do they need to do a certain amount of demos? You know, what is it? Find out what's really going on because clients are not always articulating what's beneath the scenes. You know, new leadership is coming in and we need to do this because we're afraid we're going to be acquired. Because I am trying to show my boss that marketing has value. Sometimes you'll get this, sometimes your contact is the CMO and they're under fire. Find out what's really going on. Don't be afraid to ask a lot of questions and say, “Okay, look, I know that you know this, so let's be honest with one another. Let me know what's going on, and then let's figure out a better way to hit your goals.” Because often there is another way that you can do what they get what they want instead of the bad method that they've proposed.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Zsrx1xjwX372h100u1HtaoUXSeDU255RjfjS2Q-TVN2mHGP9NiJCBye38ei4Q2l_j-j0r6gzF0ophrikmYHeMEmxEOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=959.69'>15:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And so often it's something that, you know, not for their lack of experience, but they just might not have thought of. I use two phrases all the time. I say, “Look, I don't need to know everything, but I <em>need</em> to know <em>everything</em>.” And “I'm only as good as the information that I have. So if I don't have the information, I'm no good.” So help me help you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xBZTQdBZZaj8CNr52Nlw2qoO5PJ0M_TvzjchJMIkdgMyPU2GTEnJJhFaQMycA0ElDA9gKOjTgSXJqAokRZDKGg0Jy8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=983.51'>16:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. How, how many of us in the audience, and I know that so many of you will raise your hand, have ever had clients that are so gung-ho about op-eds without, and it's because something has crossed their, their eyes that they are just fired up about. And they need to say it and it hits in their wheelhouse and they just need to say it. That's not what an op-ed is though. And we know that. We know that you can't just because you're mad about something and because it's in your space that you can't just write what a what a equates to a blog post and have the New York Times publish it. That's just not how things work.</p>
<p>No,&lt;laugh&gt;. So &lt;laugh&gt;, we've all been in that situation where you have to sort of talk them down and say, Hmm, I understand that. And if they really want to do an op-ed, you can recommend an op-ed writer. Maybe you're an op-ed writer who does PR, you can write the op-ed for them and explain to them what an op-ed really does. You know? Here's how you really get an op-ed published. Maybe they want to be on the Joe Rogan podcast. And you have to dial it back and explain, “Have you listened to the podcast? Do you see common threads with the guests that they have on?” And I mean, this is true of others, sometimes people want things and it's like, have you noticed that everybody they talk to is from a publicly traded company or they have written five books? I'm not saying that you're not important to a lot of people, including me, but I'm saying that they look over hidden gems like yourself. Because this is the playbook. Clients don't always get that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yCu-PQqMcpGwAd46c11x30MsFr8AeVWHu8K00F6JxwzZL0y1FYbLedFNUlK-phVsGZEZ52vsXvXoEIPL-VY0w3nsgt4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1096.29'>18:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And sometimes they don't get that. Sometimes it really does come down to serendipity.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r8hyNtZ3nLYJzKe5LZ72Bit1r__y4NaPKf5te38OD9FEab5HvdFJSa0ZTGfvjg0RkqHmLVeHVSHhXEica1ETIgC4TYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1102.5'>18:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QJEcP8w9Esb5nEsO881iHk7nuNhuBCsWQwqgkU1l_NhC3pORhOOVjwxwmchAAq0MQ5bdkwqJwgjhMbPV1BxxPgJ-g8A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1103.04'>18:23</a>):</p>
<p>You know, even if you are all those things, it still doesn't mean that you're going to get the placement. And that has so many factors, you know, timing, just so many things that can play into that. And sometimes it's tough, but that's the beauty of coming up with other ideas that end up being more useful really than just the shiny thing that they might want. You know, get me on the Today Show!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2F11pvPaaoYR417UsQaNBjD0eLnVirH4RO3pIt1qZD24Q2mR7g4EXV3RQLic90WyFOdlu7YZV34hxaUaWwwIhlOl1CE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1137.84'>18:57</a>):</p>
<p>That used to be the rallying cry. Now it's this article in the New York Times. Can we get that too?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jajRrQ-zpgKpDRA-d45xF-GyIpRsEIo0DNqvFVh5WRCppziU0jLOTlERZ-oN4foBRabumrG0BfLwGYZYPRqJrzw0qdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.48'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>No, No.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IMfB1l3Xefd64Y8-V5yRMbwPQrW4vZmJ74I7zrMf2phkKqWCXyEcRo4eyCx9RM0zxO7MNNGWTtPYFjOtaET9yReXH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1146.94'>19:06</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt; No, you can't. But you know, again, it's sometimes you bite your tongue when it's, listen, you let them have some things, you let them have it. You still gently guide them in what they can really expect from doing this thing that they are so hot on doing. And you let them have it. And I don't want to demean clients, but we all know that in every relationship there's negotiation, right? Mm-Hmm. Whether it's personal or professional, you negotiate with the people that you're in relationship with, with friends, with spouses, with your kids. There's negotiation that happens all the time. And sometimes we have to let people do what they are so intent on doing. And we can't always cushion the landing for them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hZzmoVUv8iyH9gF2MqhvYfXSL75OANPriwRX9Eph8ruc4930ywADqOVxlMt1KdbZFXuZ_DZ6F5b1Kd5E1IDAijGoh3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1205.85'>20:05</a>):</p>
<p>&lt;Laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ToukKXou5TwpHJFbi3KlypqbyTY1kGOp6vMP4r1M_txjli2-ZOR3eWTHZWpXvEq-6DRuXGAbX1rSY-konC3kW7KFMgA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1206.21'>20:06</a>):</p>
<p>We can't, sometimes they just have to do it and experience what you've already told them will happen. We don't want that for our clients. But there are those times when it's, again, as we've talked about, when it's not unethical, when it's not going to harm them, it's just going to be a boneheaded thing that they do. And then just be there to continue on with the good work. I've had clients do studies and me and my colleague, we are research queens. We are the queens of research. She actually worked in research before PR, we know research, we know data. We know how to sell a study. We know how to write a study. We know how to put the questions together. We work with so many of the top research firms. We know this space. But inevitably there's a client that is seduced by some big name and they spend an incredible amount of money on a study that no one's ever going to cover and no one cares about. In those instances, sometimes you got to bite your tongue and mind your business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D92d9gJFen7aGgtkbjozhoMag8gaVuF8fJVtaMGlwLEbsVC_Xa_qRypmuWfQ2niyfMGVkPdg8Y9ygwgJ_Ve7waZP45Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1276.57'>21:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yep. Definitely. You know, for me it's sometimes you've got to let those Oxford commas go unless they really change the meaning of the sentence &lt;laugh&gt;.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3FsRTIq7dBIkU8TvSS5JUTACYIhXwMR_dyxAh26l3ZUC8t1eV1QMtE7kLwi5PPoND39MIpZvQpKzVV477tcCxC0Zqc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1290.3'>21:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/nqiXOklaco5Gbf5lD5UmRRQWHToFEw4kmws9q-tlvgtvLCRJPT2NbW-uDvLUzJ-TcOT6WiavpKegB6dwKc1r-EXrLYo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&amp;ts=1291.39'>21:31</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, the beauty actually of all these opportunities, because in our line of work, we know how to find the value, even if it's a horrific &lt;laugh&gt; failure. But these are learning opportunities, right? It's not like you're going to go back to your client and say, I told you so. It's okay, let's reevaluate. Where could we have done better? Perhaps this will work better next time. Let's all learn from this and we dust ourselves off and we move on to the next thing. And that is okay.</p>
<p>So yes, as counselors, we are here to put out that mom arm as you slam on the brakes to make sure that our clients are safe. You hope they listen. If they don't, hopefully next time they will wear their seatbelt, which is listening to us.</p>
<p>So we hope you've gotten something out of this and I expect you were giggling along and thinking of all the times you bit your tongue and also minded your business.</p>
<p>We appreciate each and every one of you. And if you did get value out of this, please share it around. And if you have any feedback, hit us up at soloprpro.com. We are on Instagram, we are on Facebook, and of course, at the mothership, the website of soloprpro.com. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That Solo Life: Episode #206 Biting Our Tongues and Minding Our Business
 
From unrealistic expectations to news that, well, isn’t, there are times we need to help guide our clients back from the brink and times we need to bite our tongues and mind our business. In this episode we talk about when to say, “No way!” and when to let it go.
 
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. We're here. It's another episode. Woohoo.
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
Hey Michelle. We made it into another week and I am grateful for that.
Michelle Kane (00:25):
Me too. It's always good to kick a day to the curb and go into the next one, &lt;laugh&gt;.
Karen Swim, APR (00:34):
Love it.
Michelle Kane (00:34):
And, and I think we're going to have a little fun today.
Karen Swim, APR (00:37):
Yes, we are.
Michelle Kane (00:39):
We're going to talk about when clients have unrealistic expectations. Now I know what you're thinking. That never happens. What, what could you two possibly have to talk about, right? &lt;Laugh&gt;?
Karen Swim, APR (00:51):
Haha.
Michelle Kane (00:55):
But you know, it's we say this a lot. A big part of our job is education. You know, helping our clients realize what exactly it is they're getting when they engage with a PR pro. And at the same time setting and managing realistic expectations for success. And sometimes that kicks in just fine. Sometimes they still have these lovely expectations.
Karen Swim, APR (01:24):
100%. Yeah. And so sometimes it's more than unrealistic expectations. Sometimes they're just downright cuckoo &lt;laugh&gt; , I can't think of, of a more professional term. Forgive us today. &lt;Laugh&gt;
Michelle Kane (01:46):
Right. That's right. I know. It's been a month already. Yeah. Like, they want the Rolls Royce for the price of a Honda. You've seen the graphics, right? With someone scribbling with their Paint app saying, you know, looking for a graphic designer, that kind of thing. Or,
Karen Swim, APR (02:05):
Or, and I think, here's one of the things that really comes in when you have clients that are just being unreasonable. There was a survey might have been a couple years ago, and the survey showed that it was offered by, I think, Bridge Global Strategies. And it was a survey about people who work in PR - in agencies, corporations, independent contractors, just all kinds of PR people.
These were people that had experience. So almost a hundred percent. It was like 94%. More than 94% had 10 or more years of experience. And then more than 67% had more than 20 years of experience. So these are seasoned professionals. And then they measured - it was all about failure. And it said that 85% of people admitted to having failed at one time or another. But here's the interesting tidbit - 57% said  when asked if the failure was tied to not setting PR goals or setting unrealistic goals at the start, 57% said yes. And I think that that's really important because that's more than half of those surveyed. Now, some of the other reasons for failure, the top reason is the budget was too small and the client wasn't paying us enough for hours to accomplish the goals. That is so common.
 
Michelle Kane
Huge.
 
Karen Swim, APR
And then, the number two reason was the client or company saw itself, or its product as really unique, but it turned out that it was not very well differentiated from competitors. And so we know that all of you are nodding your heads, this happens all the time. And it's a big part of what we have to continue to re reinforce with clients and continue to educate. I have been doing this for more than 15 years as well, nearly 20 years. And I would agree with all of those things. And as seasoned as I am and as thoughtful and meticulous as we are during the prospecting pr]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We can all say we’re OK. But after the past few years, are we? As co-host Karen Swim says, so many of us are walking around held together “with spit and duct tape.” In this episode we talk about how we can work on our mental health.</p>
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<p><a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/creating-a-safe-work-environment-to-discuss-mental-health/'>Read about the PR News poll. </a></p>
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<p>The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR
That Solo Life Episode 205</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/N_F6diau0ZIO0_Od6dgAsgru6mr0Su6KpHt7cviexhX-vsNsQFK6lyRidJKHRLtkZ6-Q9t3KoD2im-1uDIZxxlAuf3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.13'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/djaLaBGpztwwV-chuD4dmw6PBJxvWLbmoi7oFGaoKdGyWOOWSavZIYWvDFXqcNaoY5m2Tole1FYh6UHygWv61eP2D9g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.66'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good, Michelle. Hello. Hello. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lONlfAcs82m-TAOpApDximKO2qDQDaZ0bXc8iL4DDSA9R_ZbWCG_k4G_Fa666tAkRmt2iuX5pYl0MCuJnaNx-6qq0iA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=22.58'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. Yeah. You know, good</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gy0tlBS8N7f6QPJXTGbGihMSpobVyxTKCptmueWX4Ft9ExwrUeai1C2hTFbDTTAGWfHlbExXDvLBuUASVxMeFEDCG4E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.36'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p> in all the weirdness of PR land</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XZrbIQ2qXnK1tFPa6X3yRdppQon_v7WMPJYNXZnad2W_rlcmbGCcls3C3vw8NA01lQiLJXyO77BZ62rUEO6Je74kbzQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=29.28'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>And boy can it get weird. Yeah. That's why we thought today it would be wise to talk, just a little check in about mental health. Because even though we both just said we're good, seems like I, I love what you said earlier, Karen, before we started this episode of everyone's just kind of walking around keeping it together with spit and duct tape, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DR6hsF864IumpftaNcH9e1wAaoSufK8XQEwQC5aJB3dZkuPJ0NaYeY5Kqzi9gTW-IXnyewumWTOeo5Tg65r-ELswPFo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=53.37'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's so true and so unfortunate. And, you know, we started planning ahead for this topic when this article came out in PR news. And it was a poll asked, and the question posed was, do PR employees feel comfortable discussing mental health struggles? And 68% of people said no. Now granted, this was a small poll. However, you and I have no problems believing this. And I believe that this plays into the bigger narrative of traditionally work has been that place where people expect you to have nothing wrong with you. It's why pre pandemic people would have a cold and they would come to work, they'd get the flu, and as long as they could walk, they would come to work. You would say, “Are you okay?” Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Because that's the American way. Yeah, yeah. I'm fine. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HY564WDt1hgSaDWIrH7uu-T9E-B4x7Ces_T1YQb_PS84Xag9Q3dl0S4rvMZWiEQcxa39wgBvzXp6Z9v4h39_GXKtNzI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=115.95'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/glzTF-CnN2DtgJZDonwC5S3qZYfvcTfgnICAjEcduAFjHv1hJAkq3F1iG5unKbmoc0Q5B-Eo0SxmisxfQS47YtcZ9PA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=116.76'>01:56</a>):</p>
<p>I'm fine. You know, people would die and you would work. And , we pr pros, we took that into our own businesses and we amplified it because suddenly we not only felt like it wasn't okay not to be okay, but that we had to be triple okay. Because it was our own business, so we could never take the time to tend to ourselves.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IJt1_Zmac-f8xwo-iiiRSM67-twjDj5lU_rrxZHOYkyzreaZ38zPpDbVtnrE17fOo_aSqnLdKBpGhcrH5NhjWlmiTE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=138.78'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QxIXf0CWrLahoC0rOb7jJGxQFuwTGBKIdR0PTRpZZsjGJynbSOtI1B-9Rp1444aZfWk-BNqnErJDFB5HFpHEEcqeWWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=140.43'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>And I would love to say that the pandemic changed all of that at a corporate level, but it did not. What did change is our awareness that we're not okay. Everybody is dealing with something. And it's been, I think we all had this hope, which is why there was a part of the pandemic that was a happy time for everybody. We were breaking bread, we were listening to music, we were gathering together, and we were like, we're going to get through this because we truly believed that there would be an end and that there would be a better new normal. Right. What we experienced was continuing series of trauma. And in PR specifically, our industry has undergone massive waves of change. The media landscape is different, clients are different. And we have the economic challenges. It's just, it's a lot.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NMVEo6ey0lYbXki9b49V2E6WDGm9k8PrpdDFBvlzCCZm21mgiahvqJgZJwpd7p7ECbGxQKrX5SbG3Y2cGRD76mKwDJU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=200.61'>03:20</a>):</p>
<p>It's a lot.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0GlEggZ-2qlvMqaUiQxFm8oUSYX3p6U-jnrP01WAmU-Mea8Ay5_FCFvFuPCxBht5pkFfSxYSmwRaI8btqenCbqHBSh4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=201.36'>03:21</a>):</p>
<p>And it, it breaks my heart that we all have our stuff, we all have our days, we all have our moments where we may be experiencing anxiety, depression, and we feel like we have to present to the world and to our clients this front of I'm okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cZbyXwLsLADKoKd38nMHnqlGAUZFRkMURXUZMQf3B7u8zCxyOEF7XUCaphfDGvrSr4GE5h-M9kP5vQHxncms3w3CnbA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=221.86'>03:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DspIct7cerOop2W9fC0Ux8XzvxWgRi--ZodGLllt7wEiCRneHUSDkvD-4WAViknM0dsM7pMVrICzeT1nOZ6lAn9vAdk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=222.28'>03:42</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, there's a part of us that thinks nobody wants to hear that we, or if I say I'm not okay, then what? You know, I have to exude trust and confidence. And if I'm not okay, they won't trust me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mzw6b1UaoQI0q7pfToM2AghmkjZwcXcBskeD1BUmOUj5SGYJqolFFzF_-N8sYV-OzEy-AXhlW3a-x1gSfRuVp8lb3hw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=241.53'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And, we're moreso that in our business where it's our job to keep everyone together, to keep it together, to present the perfect, not false, but to present the best front possible and really represent well. And a couple of things you touched on, now granted I've only ever lived in this country, but it just feels so American, the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Never let 'em see you sweat. I mean, when you were talking about that in the workplace, my gosh. You would never show any glimmer. You’d be “Oh no, everything's fine. I've got it together,” because I am a fiercely, highly competent person who is going to give my best and my all to you, workplace. I'll just cry on the way home. It's fine. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UL474eWcDDegjyLS3rlWi1QcG32UR90dHgaY7NeCRGbMbzrGmyL2dbGD6uA8rT20cNkd1fwXxI24wPsXSu8L7y3Hay0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=291.25'>04:51</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I have to tell you that growing up in California and moving to the Midwest, and even though my parents were Midwesterners, I didn't, they were different.  Moving to the Midwest, I really have to protect myself from that Midwestern like grit. It's inspiring in some ways, but they don't do complaints in the Midwest. You just don't complain. You just get or done. It's like, well, lost my leg yesterday. I'm going to go out for a walk today. You know, I've known people that have had surgeries and they're not even supposed to be out of the house and they refuse to ask for help.</p>
<p>I would walk your dog. Yeah, no, they're just going to take their cane and they're walker and they're going to hobble along when they're not even supposed to be out of bed and they're going to do it. And I heard someone the other day say there was a couple and the woman was alone and we inquired after her husband and she goes, yeah, you know, he can only walk so far now. And then one of the other, one of our other friends said, well, if you can't walk, you gotta walk. And if you don't walk, you won't be able to walk. And so his solution is like, if you stop…and I feel like this is the message that we send to PR pros. Like, if you don't grit it out, if you don't bear up, if you don't brute force it through, then you're gonna be terrible.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Instead of saying, sometimes you can't walk. You really can’t walk. You need support to get back on your feet to walk. You can't take another step. You are incapable of doing it. Whether it is a psychological challenge or whether it's an actual physical challenge. And, I want to, we would be remiss in saying we're not experts, we are not mental health professionals. This is just PR pros inside talk. Yeah. Sometimes your issues could be some type of imbalance. It could be a nutritional deficiency, it could be a vitamin deficiency, it could be something physical, it could be a hormonal imbalance. So don't ignore it and don't brute force your way through it. Talk to somebody, talk to your doctor.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1xJ1HI5AV3XKWG7U7nxnYzGayIDoyY7W0k4Tt6r62h2QbP_TCSwXl9FZude2AWako617Am9WL6WI71nkkAwJHkTnaAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=436.31'>07:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5ocuhhtBUiBgUqecSpth-ju8ee1dCtYhxcnzkBNidkXc141Lud3H_XQYbMsnVMGMcttKf04vaLveWKsMfkl6m7CUhJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=437.78'>07:17</a>):</p>
<p>Get to your doctor these days. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z9RFQktQTEvnu4R9CTm5lG5M6BERt490B5kKx2IeMzxgGNGkFrA8AzxfOdodb8qXZOmhW3Io0iyWgaxCsOc3NbCfCEg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=440.6'>07:20</a>):</p>
<p>I know there are now, so I've got the Pennsylvania Dutch work ethic side of this. It's similar to the Midwest work ethic. You just do it. And I think it's also coupled with being two generations away from the depression era. Hearing my grandmother say, “Oh, but you can't leave that company. They've been good to you.” I'm like, that's not about them, it's about me. But I do know that there are several companies in my region large, like, feeding the eastern seaboard companies, that they have always had an EAP program, an employee assistance program where they will say, “Hey, we have an arrangement with this mental health facility if you have an issue.” Which I thought was really enlightened of them. I don't know if that stemmed from experience, I don't know. So even as you seek to work with clients, if you get a vibe that they don’t give that kind of support, then it might be an unhealthy relationship.</p>
<p>And just to touch on your point about our global trauma that we've been through. I don't know about you, but it's funny, it's often the little things that can trip me up. But if it's like a big crisis, like, okay, let's get to the ER and we can deal, deal, deal, deal, deal, deal. And it's not till maybe a month or two after that, after you've dealt, you're just, ugh. And I get the vibe that globally that's where we are. We got through the big, heavy, scary thing. And even though scary things are still happening, we're just like, so, you know, I know many of our peers or our clients have struggled with getting people, oh, people don't want to come to events, they don't want to do this. I'm like, we're still processing a lot of stuff and realigning ourselves, and speaking into that could be, maybe you're just not right enough yet. You know, I was sharing with you before recording and you know, maybe it's my stage in life, maybe it's a whole lot of things, but I go to things and I enjoy them, but as I'm enjoying them, I still sense a little flatness and I'm like, Hmm.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c81-e1WuKqnN-gEaxs9jVN0cyneLhA28-NRYXq8e_hlCktsJJJTPBK8-LGm3CX7-FvpzxPs69szj2jBhPMsfceSElI0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=563.61'>09:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EV_nHEt2sSn9k7QvMiivJaRRRsjaNVhg1ZcClWJjcbuH4TA3dpCIfmIPl8MqYO_w5qfqEo2vFDqGazgRO3Bk2U2IkiQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=564.27'>09:24</a>):</p>
<p>Is that because I'm burdened by worrying about work? Is it just, is it all that or is this just life in this era? I don't know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vrTC_wdOIehKnHPuKQ-j6D-HqE_1XBsq6V8D0ez8OBs_hc10KSiCwnE35_LHMpib5_jpXVf63fKypj5MThxJJo01oqA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=576.58'>09:36</a>):</p>
<p>But, and I think we can't accept that right. Because, and let's face it, like even getting back to quote unquote some normalcy, normal is not normal. Nothing is like it was. And so I have learned to say, you know what, I'm not going to be so hard on myself because we, there's this constant wave of change and you're trying to find your footing and then you try to do things that you used to do, but nothing really is quite the same and no one is quite the same. Whether you can pretend that you are, but we are not, none of us not one single person on this earth. Because I, I think we also sometimes forget that Covid was not a United States pandemic. This was global. And I think, you know, of course as PR professionals, we can't vomit on our clients.</p>
<p>We shouldn't do that. If you're at work, you, you shouldn't be vomiting on your colleagues either. I would love to see more corporate workplaces understand that. We used to think of the workforce as this monolithic unit and basically you divorced people from every other part of themselves when they came to work. They were a worker. That's it. They were a worker. They just do their work. You didn't care about their issues. You didn't care if they had children. And people felt like they couldn't disclose things. I was, it was heartbreaking to hear that there are women some of our solo PR pro members that didn't really want to share that they were moms because they felt like that would be considered a disability and I just we're done with that world. And as PR pros, we should be advocating and we should be checking in with our clients as well to ensure that their culture is not, it is not toxic for their own employees.</p>
<p>I mean, we can play a role in helping them to create these healthy cultures that recognize that human beings are full human beings with full lives and sometimes they have stuff going on. And this is not necessarily copping out and giving people an excuse to not be great at work. It's creating an environment that lets people thrive. It's creating tools for people when they struggle and understanding that it's okay to struggle. It's having benefits programs that really align with their needs and really saying, “Hey, it's okay.” Making it okay to take a day off without providing a reason. I even hate that we call it a “mental health day.” Because it's nobody's business. If you're having a day and you need a break, you need a reset that should be your business and you should be able to take it. Period. No questions asked.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ympQwJcfxV5FYv1Ky5T6rIeBuaWvsax1O3a-l-TB9zpWQ5uYsd2PYmyAFyqpViAe_Y6-BkzhyL0CgGhidDEitUZyOxA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=760.21'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>And, I think there is a certain freedom in a workplace that has that level of understanding of, you know, I might be the best worker you ever have, but that does not mean I have to be that every day, every minute, all the time. I mean it's, look, it's unrealistic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a7ejwFs4qhYDWEMe7vD_mVvKHGuusRX3XZeLntXo21YgNZISc6-YKR_Okl3szPy6tifTRqlwj60_riGpsX8dIE1I4GY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=781.93'>13:01</a>):</p>
<p>It is.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Tc5hn7MQfFNtFyp09KtiByxYi0oFvy3zaODZA3a8Q1tZkwaRSbqFrxJZhMN0BMUv6h1rV7dhjjIiCc-21CeGPpZWFvo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=782.59'>13:02</a>):</p>
<p>But the attitude still pervades out there. And I think sometimes we can perhaps wield that with ourselves. I was having a conversation with a couple of colleagues and they were having trouble just kind of ramping down, having come off a super-hot urgent all hands on deck project. And then suddenly everything felt that way. And I thought, where are you going except smashing into an eventual wall. Like, not everything is urgent. You don't have to speed through all the things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Mkn7dqqh4hlBKfJMZddRTRl-j22Fa1dKs86XNoL-EZgwGwESI-4Ks2m5waYp6nCoyXodRB68Xo3wuwgRtBj5MkZxeF4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=816.46'>13:36</a>):</p>
<p>I see that from colleagues too, where it's not only the urgency, but it's the stress, the unnecessary stress. You know, the client's going to be mad because we didn't get media this week. Okay. But this is the way that it works. Now we pitch stuff and we get an answer a month later. We secure opportunities and then it takes four months to publish. We've secured opportunities that are not publishing until 2024. What does that say about the landscape to you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S6uPt24WIW8N1-Ne1qY2mqv8yZ956t1RmLWB9ii_F1wtjDHSC9CLAfrmjzQLm6IGJinQIngiuhDYnjyBjQY39u5Bbhk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=847.43'>14:07</a>):</p>
<p>Wow. That's incredible. But, here's the essence of it. You secured opportunities, so it should be all good. But yeah, I get that. I even get that mental tape in my head sometimes of, oh my gosh, if I don't turn this in today, they're going to yell at me. And then I had to sit myself down and go, Michelle, now hopefully I didn't just jinx myself. I'm like, when has a client ever called you on the phone or texted you screaming?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kafgHzwxx6VN1A0HmatUbEgzkZN-Li3SactQLm4P6LMlnTOA4-smobDTJNcttBM5B7BkMJwvGGzVhwrnrhc9Gl4C3Gg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=873.13'>14:33</a>):</p>
<p>And I would venture to say, some of us, especially in the past couple of years, we've experienced some toxic clients. We've all had toxic clients. But I would venture to say that our audience, because we have a very smart audience, and I believe that our members particularly, they all have integrity. They're good at their jobs and they are thoughtful and they're conscientious. And we're not saying be less conscientious, but we're saying be conscientious for your own needs as well.  There are several things that you can do. One is to realize that you're not broken. You are not an outlier. You're not the only person that may be having a season of struggle. Two is talk to some type of professional, whether it's your nutritionist, whether it your physician, telehealth appointment, mental health app, to, to make sure that you are not missing signs of something that has an underlying reason.</p>
<p>You don't want to do that. So you don't want to ignore, if you're feeling kind of blue and or you're feeling kind of tired or you're not sleeping, don't just chalk it up to it'll get better. Because so often these things do not resolve on them their own. Don't be afraid to get support. Whatever that support turns out to be for you, it's okay. And then I would say one of the things that one of my clients really highlighted for me that is so powerful. So I work with this group called Circles and they have this app and it's online, it's on demand support groups. And he created it out of some personal experiences based on the premise that people, there's therapeutic value when people help people who are going through the same exact thing. So, if you're somebody who's been through a divorce, your ears perk up when you talk to somebody who has been through a divorce and they know exactly what you're talking about. If you've lost a parent, somebody else who lost a parent, their words resonate so powerfully with you. There's power in that.</p>
<p>Well, as PR pros, no one but us really understands our job. No one understands what we're going through with clients and business development and the climate that we're in. So don't cut yourself off from your colleagues because even if you're not getting together to say, “Oh my God, I can't sleep at night, I'm having anxiety,” you can at least get together and share some of the things that are causing you agita. And with people who will not judge you, who understand. And there's such comfort in that.  So, you know, like when Michelle and I talk, I always walk away laughing and feeling better. Because we get to kvetch with one another and she gets it and I get it. And so it's therapeutic. Do not dismiss the power in tapping into people who share your values. Don't isolate yourself even though you may feel like it because you're not feeling your best. You need to reach out and talk to someone. It's one of the reasons why this month, I set up these solo sessions where I offered up, I opened up some slots in my calendar for people to just book time to just chat with me one-on-one. Just us no recordings, nothing shared outside of me and that person and open enough for them to talk about whatever they needed to talk about in that moment. It's not a lot, but it's something that so many people took advantage of because they need it that time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JWwJNhrSojWv2B0awRZN6SIqOwetEDNR13GwhR_6LKXOKwL1ikOIDKAppsqc6YjWnotaZInk7SP7LpyCCmkyiFYb1Ik?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1112.04'>18:32</a>):</p>
<p>That's huge. I couch myself as an, an extroverted introvert, so right away I'm wired for solitude more or less. But it's not until you either push yourself to get out there that you realize, okay, I needed to be out with people. Yesterday I had an 8:00 AM coffee meeting. On paper that sounds horrible. But I was so rejuvenated by the end of that hour conversation, I felt so much better about starting my day. And I thought, huh, maybe I should do this every day. And I thought, ugh, . So yes, I have a little ways to go, but it can be with PR peers, and it could even be colleagues. I know I have some in-house colleagues in my region that may be the only PR person in their company or something. And if we'll just do 15-minute vents, “Hey, how you doing? Blah, blah, blah. And you're like, can you believe it? No, I don't believe it. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I I'm glad that we've both established, neither of us sucks. We're competent.” .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JLSAlSDJ5lPVsT4t-aDYQ_trqTm_Ar52deMroUQO33eY25F0Xl7mS9m-lV41qdJXuj1qXCB4L64VJp6rjLn43I-llCo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1182.96'>19:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z0tijOu4Em-yQJimRnlO6cmjwziC6i-R5SEQsPtNy5u662a6YsyNlXD-6IesiavZZ06wnA1ppIw3vJz9cByWopPUchM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1183.68'>19:43</a>):</p>
<p>Just keep rolling with it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DcKeJ8TbGkdrZBn5N9DQWaNRc9UEN-p-UjP3o62q_m5Ij5kj0QHjMi8W6v4rDlMe_-4GT4rdmb1OrZ2VspUkDlA6UcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1185.42'>19:45</a>):</p>
<p>It’s worth it sometimes to go to a networking event or go to a workshop, an in-person workshop and learn something new because that's energizing. Learn something that's different from PR. Go take an art class, take a gardening class, invite somebody to go for a walk with you. It doesn't always have to be like, yeah, let's have dinner, let's have lunch. Those things are great too. But, you know, see if there's another colleague like, “Hey, you want to take a walk and just take advantage of the weather being nice enough to do that?” Because you will be rejuvenated. And so the isolation only makes things worse. And I think we're here today to tell you that you are not alone. You are not the only person dealing with whatever you're dealing with. Whatever it is, and however big it seems in your head, I promise you you're not alone. If Belle could talk, she would tell you stories.   She’d say, “I didn't know what to get, but I tried to get the thing that was making mommy cry. And so I barked at it, but I didn't know what I was barking at, but I was trying to help and so I just went to mommy and I'm like, mommy, tell me what to get and I'll make it better for you. But I couldn't see it.” </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KxwbswMk_PupuEIAbhIDvXp3kqsnzvSVx7aPbsKO36Mrfv0GII263K7Ioq7-r7wbbX9Q79V9-Hx4BUxG5etc2ZXcdUY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1258.36'>20:58</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you know what? I mean, everybody's got something.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zb2YWSpuok2DLzas_O8MKfAXPb8LoqvtXwwttyT1lR5Jja8nqWYQS5y70_POSjlIVbkqfD65VyL3rXQlFOyBdc8Hak8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1262.17'>21:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Everybody has something, you know, whatever, whatever. It's like.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/su3xKy3KwrPUItynn0UmARwGffKHQLzvmDbgXOnFMllTx2FWg4LR8cLmL6U-9FeM3LrDpTKj8u3H_Ml_L1HfOmIhFGQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.65'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and, and I clearly</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XqIRKgSfYQCOUiPDjzGoUD5gOZBW1RBuwYNsQX6VNlv286currNzPirl90EcSlAf_n6dBni5zS8JkX4rVQ8Ktk8UKkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.88'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>You're not alone.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jKIBcbgYeiMZ7TTdHM8EUBm2uLvBckVcnkxmlEc7Wstk5xuOfuO5BZrFqOF63P2INImR_8CYVFTEAj_ue2WD4poQfrc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1269.42'>21:09</a>):</p>
<p>I guarantee even the most perfectly presenting person that has it all together, they got their own stuff. They just aren't as comfortable showing it. And that could be even with themselves,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a5tIR6bQ4VU5Erd7C3VNb57W5ZW3V4FYHV0_utW4iht97h6vc0JrpMBtezLoGPiVfWBDVtcn0A-zaNzZDnbU0Q3qknc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1283.35'>21:23</a>):</p>
<p>Which is why you also honestly, when I have those sensitive moments, I do not look at social media. I'll go to groups. Because, you know, again, it's protecting myself from things that are triggers. And, so I think you have to understand what your triggers are too and protect yourself from those things. The news can be a trigger, too much information sometimes is not necessarily a blessing. And I know we PR pros, we're wired to think that we have to know all of the things all of the time. You do not. Whatever those triggers are, sometimes you just need to get in your own little bubble and not go there. So it's true. Don't be afraid to do that. It's okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k07tlH0gZZtvZsnVH61oJM-nVlYBIvy-vgf4eYJZD-u5iykHhfkN-MrEC9hzvdv8D9iBmqWoudBco66NrFjfVU7-sW0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1328.05'>22:08</a>):</p>
<p>It doesn't have to be a big fat retreat, it can just be an hour break or something. You know, indulge in something that you really want to do or what you need to do. I know for me, I like to go to the movies, but sometimes it's just, I need to sit in a dark room with nasty popcorn and be available to no one. So if that's your thing,  by all means do it. Ultimately, I feel like it's silly coming out of my mouth, but I know it's not because I don't practice it as much as I should. It's okay to take care of yourself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oepBsXLpfZmVArCDE1FAQ4UJcfaCzGtyus2W2f_y-NfvTuyIjpkOyzV9IN5I-JDM222_Kfe1bRpcuAR-bLm_d4bZUMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1367.86'>22:47</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh. It really is. It's not only okay, it's good for business because if you're good then you're going to do good work and you're not going to be brute forcing your way through it. So please do. Take time off. Go get a massage. I like massages. I know everybody doesn't, whatever it is that makes you feel that joy that makes you feel restored and balanced, make time, treat yourself with care and love and respect. You should not be treating other people better than you treat yourself.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jblHDerqTMAusbmGMcdgHjgRCv5ZJ3cTt7y-VVMiLvQlb7sDb-v9KcA4kWQF57Xek_KqLP3C182ieqiX7r4xLBPkZwY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1410.64'>23:30</a>):</p>
<p>That is so true. And I know for many of us, that is a really, really difficult lesson to learn. And, hey, real talk right now. I am so ridiculous. How ridiculous am I? Let's see, I've had, my foot's been sore for maybe a month. I finally got tired of my foot being sore and I was like, Hmm, there's nothing external. So I went to the podiatrist and I said, yeah, it's been about a month. They're like, oh, well it's this tendon, the tendon is irritated, so do these calf stretches. And I said, oh, so you mean if I had gone to my yoga class like I should have been doing for the past six months, I wouldn't be here . That, that's how ridiculous I am, and I'm sure there's many of you nodding about that. So if I had invested in taking care of myself rather than doing one more hour of work, because ooh, gotta hit those numbers. So, we're all learning.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Y-lYUeRsjY2pcTX3EyTyYNFxvfw3-6_SG93ljdgYB_BJ6yGJ9Z-vVv1oSQC76ukHlqrvoe0rQKKTiD1uw4eoboL5SlM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1465.61'>24:25</a>):</p>
<p>We’re all still learning. We hope this has helped you to take a deep breath, to feel like you are not alone. We hope that you are inspired to take better care of yourself, to make time for your own needs. That's not being selfish, it's not being a terrible worker. You're not a terrible PR pro. You're a great business owner, but you have to care for yourself. And if you have suggestions or things that have worked for you, as always, we always love to hear from you. Please hit us up on any of the social media channels and use the hashtag #soloPR so that we know and we can spot those because we track that hashtag</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kBLGNneaJ5peAH4JeX-NUkFbfBUBOiV80dScdBzJ_ieXHAibtIqtcX1XmPAKhii_ZGC0oqEbh-HsnAqLn1SifkqxrtI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1510.34'>25:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we would love that. We would love that. So we definitely want to hear from you and please, if you have a friend that you think needs to hear this or if you need to listen to it a lot, because I may need to listen to this a lot, who knows. But we do, we value that you give us your valuable time. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can all say we’re OK. But after the past few years, are we? As co-host Karen Swim says, so many of us are walking around held together “with spit and duct tape.” In this episode we talk about how we can work on our mental health.</p>
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<p><a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/creating-a-safe-work-environment-to-discuss-mental-health/'>Read about the PR News poll. </a></p>
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<p>The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PR<br>
That Solo Life Episode 205</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/N_F6diau0ZIO0_Od6dgAsgru6mr0Su6KpHt7cviexhX-vsNsQFK6lyRidJKHRLtkZ6-Q9t3KoD2im-1uDIZxxlAuf3w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.13'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/djaLaBGpztwwV-chuD4dmw6PBJxvWLbmoi7oFGaoKdGyWOOWSavZIYWvDFXqcNaoY5m2Tole1FYh6UHygWv61eP2D9g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.66'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good, Michelle. Hello. Hello. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lONlfAcs82m-TAOpApDximKO2qDQDaZ0bXc8iL4DDSA9R_ZbWCG_k4G_Fa666tAkRmt2iuX5pYl0MCuJnaNx-6qq0iA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=22.58'>00:22</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. Yeah. You know, good</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gy0tlBS8N7f6QPJXTGbGihMSpobVyxTKCptmueWX4Ft9ExwrUeai1C2hTFbDTTAGWfHlbExXDvLBuUASVxMeFEDCG4E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.36'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p> in all the weirdness of PR land</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XZrbIQ2qXnK1tFPa6X3yRdppQon_v7WMPJYNXZnad2W_rlcmbGCcls3C3vw8NA01lQiLJXyO77BZ62rUEO6Je74kbzQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=29.28'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>And boy can it get weird. Yeah. That's why we thought today it would be wise to talk, just a little check in about mental health. Because even though we both just said we're good, seems like I, I love what you said earlier, Karen, before we started this episode of everyone's just kind of walking around keeping it together with spit and duct tape, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DR6hsF864IumpftaNcH9e1wAaoSufK8XQEwQC5aJB3dZkuPJ0NaYeY5Kqzi9gTW-IXnyewumWTOeo5Tg65r-ELswPFo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=53.37'>00:53</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's so true and so unfortunate. And, you know, we started planning ahead for this topic when this article came out in PR news. And it was a poll asked, and the question posed was, do PR employees feel comfortable discussing mental health struggles? And 68% of people said no. Now granted, this was a small poll. However, you and I have no problems believing this. And I believe that this plays into the bigger narrative of traditionally work has been that place where people expect you to have nothing wrong with you. It's why pre pandemic people would have a cold and they would come to work, they'd get the flu, and as long as they could walk, they would come to work. You would say, “Are you okay?” Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Because that's the American way. Yeah, yeah. I'm fine. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HY564WDt1hgSaDWIrH7uu-T9E-B4x7Ces_T1YQb_PS84Xag9Q3dl0S4rvMZWiEQcxa39wgBvzXp6Z9v4h39_GXKtNzI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=115.95'>01:55</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/glzTF-CnN2DtgJZDonwC5S3qZYfvcTfgnICAjEcduAFjHv1hJAkq3F1iG5unKbmoc0Q5B-Eo0SxmisxfQS47YtcZ9PA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=116.76'>01:56</a>):</p>
<p>I'm fine. You know, people would die and you would work. And , we pr pros, we took that into our own businesses and we amplified it because suddenly we not only felt like it wasn't okay not to be okay, but that we had to be triple okay. Because it was our own business, so we could never take the time to tend to ourselves.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0IJt1_Zmac-f8xwo-iiiRSM67-twjDj5lU_rrxZHOYkyzreaZ38zPpDbVtnrE17fOo_aSqnLdKBpGhcrH5NhjWlmiTE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=138.78'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QxIXf0CWrLahoC0rOb7jJGxQFuwTGBKIdR0PTRpZZsjGJynbSOtI1B-9Rp1444aZfWk-BNqnErJDFB5HFpHEEcqeWWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=140.43'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>And I would love to say that the pandemic changed all of that at a corporate level, but it did not. What did change is our awareness that we're not okay. Everybody is dealing with something. And it's been, I think we all had this hope, which is why there was a part of the pandemic that was a happy time for everybody. We were breaking bread, we were listening to music, we were gathering together, and we were like, we're going to get through this because we truly believed that there would be an end and that there would be a better new normal. Right. What we experienced was continuing series of trauma. And in PR specifically, our industry has undergone massive waves of change. The media landscape is different, clients are different. And we have the economic challenges. It's just, it's a lot.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NMVEo6ey0lYbXki9b49V2E6WDGm9k8PrpdDFBvlzCCZm21mgiahvqJgZJwpd7p7ECbGxQKrX5SbG3Y2cGRD76mKwDJU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=200.61'>03:20</a>):</p>
<p>It's a lot.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0GlEggZ-2qlvMqaUiQxFm8oUSYX3p6U-jnrP01WAmU-Mea8Ay5_FCFvFuPCxBht5pkFfSxYSmwRaI8btqenCbqHBSh4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=201.36'>03:21</a>):</p>
<p>And it, it breaks my heart that we all have our stuff, we all have our days, we all have our moments where we may be experiencing anxiety, depression, and we feel like we have to present to the world and to our clients this front of I'm okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cZbyXwLsLADKoKd38nMHnqlGAUZFRkMURXUZMQf3B7u8zCxyOEF7XUCaphfDGvrSr4GE5h-M9kP5vQHxncms3w3CnbA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=221.86'>03:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DspIct7cerOop2W9fC0Ux8XzvxWgRi--ZodGLllt7wEiCRneHUSDkvD-4WAViknM0dsM7pMVrICzeT1nOZ6lAn9vAdk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=222.28'>03:42</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, there's a part of us that thinks nobody wants to hear that we, or if I say I'm not okay, then what? You know, I have to exude trust and confidence. And if I'm not okay, they won't trust me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mzw6b1UaoQI0q7pfToM2AghmkjZwcXcBskeD1BUmOUj5SGYJqolFFzF_-N8sYV-OzEy-AXhlW3a-x1gSfRuVp8lb3hw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=241.53'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And, we're moreso that in our business where it's our job to keep everyone together, to keep it together, to present the perfect, not false, but to present the best front possible and really represent well. And a couple of things you touched on, now granted I've only ever lived in this country, but it just feels so American, the whole pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Never let 'em see you sweat. I mean, when you were talking about that in the workplace, my gosh. You would never show any glimmer. You’d be “Oh no, everything's fine. I've got it together,” because I am a fiercely, highly competent person who is going to give my best and my all to you, workplace. I'll just cry on the way home. It's fine. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UL474eWcDDegjyLS3rlWi1QcG32UR90dHgaY7NeCRGbMbzrGmyL2dbGD6uA8rT20cNkd1fwXxI24wPsXSu8L7y3Hay0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=291.25'>04:51</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I have to tell you that growing up in California and moving to the Midwest, and even though my parents were Midwesterners, I didn't, they were different.  Moving to the Midwest, I really have to protect myself from that Midwestern like grit. It's inspiring in some ways, but they don't do complaints in the Midwest. You just don't complain. You just get or done. It's like, well, lost my leg yesterday. I'm going to go out for a walk today. You know, I've known people that have had surgeries and they're not even supposed to be out of the house and they refuse to ask for help.</p>
<p>I would walk your dog. Yeah, no, they're just going to take their cane and they're walker and they're going to hobble along when they're not even supposed to be out of bed and they're going to do it. And I heard someone the other day say there was a couple and the woman was alone and we inquired after her husband and she goes, yeah, you know, he can only walk so far now. And then one of the other, one of our other friends said, well, if you can't walk, you gotta walk. And if you don't walk, you won't be able to walk. And so his solution is like, if you stop…and I feel like this is the message that we send to PR pros. Like, if you don't grit it out, if you don't bear up, if you don't brute force it through, then you're gonna be terrible.</p>
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<p>Instead of saying, sometimes you can't walk. You really can’t walk. You need support to get back on your feet to walk. You can't take another step. You are incapable of doing it. Whether it is a psychological challenge or whether it's an actual physical challenge. And, I want to, we would be remiss in saying we're not experts, we are not mental health professionals. This is just PR pros inside talk. Yeah. Sometimes your issues could be some type of imbalance. It could be a nutritional deficiency, it could be a vitamin deficiency, it could be something physical, it could be a hormonal imbalance. So don't ignore it and don't brute force your way through it. Talk to somebody, talk to your doctor.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1xJ1HI5AV3XKWG7U7nxnYzGayIDoyY7W0k4Tt6r62h2QbP_TCSwXl9FZude2AWako617Am9WL6WI71nkkAwJHkTnaAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=436.31'>07:16</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I think</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5ocuhhtBUiBgUqecSpth-ju8ee1dCtYhxcnzkBNidkXc141Lud3H_XQYbMsnVMGMcttKf04vaLveWKsMfkl6m7CUhJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=437.78'>07:17</a>):</p>
<p>Get to your doctor these days. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z9RFQktQTEvnu4R9CTm5lG5M6BERt490B5kKx2IeMzxgGNGkFrA8AzxfOdodb8qXZOmhW3Io0iyWgaxCsOc3NbCfCEg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=440.6'>07:20</a>):</p>
<p>I know there are now, so I've got the Pennsylvania Dutch work ethic side of this. It's similar to the Midwest work ethic. You just do it. And I think it's also coupled with being two generations away from the depression era. Hearing my grandmother say, “Oh, but you can't leave that company. They've been good to you.” I'm like, that's not about them, it's about me. But I do know that there are several companies in my region large, like, feeding the eastern seaboard companies, that they have always had an EAP program, an employee assistance program where they will say, “Hey, we have an arrangement with this mental health facility if you have an issue.” Which I thought was really enlightened of them. I don't know if that stemmed from experience, I don't know. So even as you seek to work with clients, if you get a vibe that they don’t give that kind of support, then it might be an unhealthy relationship.</p>
<p>And just to touch on your point about our global trauma that we've been through. I don't know about you, but it's funny, it's often the little things that can trip me up. But if it's like a big crisis, like, okay, let's get to the ER and we can deal, deal, deal, deal, deal, deal. And it's not till maybe a month or two after that, after you've dealt, you're just, ugh. And I get the vibe that globally that's where we are. We got through the big, heavy, scary thing. And even though scary things are still happening, we're just like, so, you know, I know many of our peers or our clients have struggled with getting people, oh, people don't want to come to events, they don't want to do this. I'm like, we're still processing a lot of stuff and realigning ourselves, and speaking into that could be, maybe you're just not right enough yet. You know, I was sharing with you before recording and you know, maybe it's my stage in life, maybe it's a whole lot of things, but I go to things and I enjoy them, but as I'm enjoying them, I still sense a little flatness and I'm like, Hmm.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c81-e1WuKqnN-gEaxs9jVN0cyneLhA28-NRYXq8e_hlCktsJJJTPBK8-LGm3CX7-FvpzxPs69szj2jBhPMsfceSElI0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=563.61'>09:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EV_nHEt2sSn9k7QvMiivJaRRRsjaNVhg1ZcClWJjcbuH4TA3dpCIfmIPl8MqYO_w5qfqEo2vFDqGazgRO3Bk2U2IkiQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=564.27'>09:24</a>):</p>
<p>Is that because I'm burdened by worrying about work? Is it just, is it all that or is this just life in this era? I don't know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vrTC_wdOIehKnHPuKQ-j6D-HqE_1XBsq6V8D0ez8OBs_hc10KSiCwnE35_LHMpib5_jpXVf63fKypj5MThxJJo01oqA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=576.58'>09:36</a>):</p>
<p>But, and I think we can't accept that right. Because, and let's face it, like even getting back to quote unquote some normalcy, normal is not normal. Nothing is like it was. And so I have learned to say, you know what, I'm not going to be so hard on myself because we, there's this constant wave of change and you're trying to find your footing and then you try to do things that you used to do, but nothing really is quite the same and no one is quite the same. Whether you can pretend that you are, but we are not, none of us not one single person on this earth. Because I, I think we also sometimes forget that Covid was not a United States pandemic. This was global. And I think, you know, of course as PR professionals, we can't vomit on our clients.</p>
<p>We shouldn't do that. If you're at work, you, you shouldn't be vomiting on your colleagues either. I would love to see more corporate workplaces understand that. We used to think of the workforce as this monolithic unit and basically you divorced people from every other part of themselves when they came to work. They were a worker. That's it. They were a worker. They just do their work. You didn't care about their issues. You didn't care if they had children. And people felt like they couldn't disclose things. I was, it was heartbreaking to hear that there are women some of our solo PR pro members that didn't really want to share that they were moms because they felt like that would be considered a disability and I just we're done with that world. And as PR pros, we should be advocating and we should be checking in with our clients as well to ensure that their culture is not, it is not toxic for their own employees.</p>
<p>I mean, we can play a role in helping them to create these healthy cultures that recognize that human beings are full human beings with full lives and sometimes they have stuff going on. And this is not necessarily copping out and giving people an excuse to not be great at work. It's creating an environment that lets people thrive. It's creating tools for people when they struggle and understanding that it's okay to struggle. It's having benefits programs that really align with their needs and really saying, “Hey, it's okay.” Making it okay to take a day off without providing a reason. I even hate that we call it a “mental health day.” Because it's nobody's business. If you're having a day and you need a break, you need a reset that should be your business and you should be able to take it. Period. No questions asked.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ympQwJcfxV5FYv1Ky5T6rIeBuaWvsax1O3a-l-TB9zpWQ5uYsd2PYmyAFyqpViAe_Y6-BkzhyL0CgGhidDEitUZyOxA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=760.21'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>And, I think there is a certain freedom in a workplace that has that level of understanding of, you know, I might be the best worker you ever have, but that does not mean I have to be that every day, every minute, all the time. I mean it's, look, it's unrealistic.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a7ejwFs4qhYDWEMe7vD_mVvKHGuusRX3XZeLntXo21YgNZISc6-YKR_Okl3szPy6tifTRqlwj60_riGpsX8dIE1I4GY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=781.93'>13:01</a>):</p>
<p>It is.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Tc5hn7MQfFNtFyp09KtiByxYi0oFvy3zaODZA3a8Q1tZkwaRSbqFrxJZhMN0BMUv6h1rV7dhjjIiCc-21CeGPpZWFvo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=782.59'>13:02</a>):</p>
<p>But the attitude still pervades out there. And I think sometimes we can perhaps wield that with ourselves. I was having a conversation with a couple of colleagues and they were having trouble just kind of ramping down, having come off a super-hot urgent all hands on deck project. And then suddenly everything felt that way. And I thought, where are you going except smashing into an eventual wall. Like, not everything is urgent. You don't have to speed through all the things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Mkn7dqqh4hlBKfJMZddRTRl-j22Fa1dKs86XNoL-EZgwGwESI-4Ks2m5waYp6nCoyXodRB68Xo3wuwgRtBj5MkZxeF4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=816.46'>13:36</a>):</p>
<p>I see that from colleagues too, where it's not only the urgency, but it's the stress, the unnecessary stress. You know, the client's going to be mad because we didn't get media this week. Okay. But this is the way that it works. Now we pitch stuff and we get an answer a month later. We secure opportunities and then it takes four months to publish. We've secured opportunities that are not publishing until 2024. What does that say about the landscape to you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S6uPt24WIW8N1-Ne1qY2mqv8yZ956t1RmLWB9ii_F1wtjDHSC9CLAfrmjzQLm6IGJinQIngiuhDYnjyBjQY39u5Bbhk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=847.43'>14:07</a>):</p>
<p>Wow. That's incredible. But, here's the essence of it. You secured opportunities, so it should be all good. But yeah, I get that. I even get that mental tape in my head sometimes of, oh my gosh, if I don't turn this in today, they're going to yell at me. And then I had to sit myself down and go, Michelle, now hopefully I didn't just jinx myself. I'm like, when has a client ever called you on the phone or texted you screaming?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kafgHzwxx6VN1A0HmatUbEgzkZN-Li3SactQLm4P6LMlnTOA4-smobDTJNcttBM5B7BkMJwvGGzVhwrnrhc9Gl4C3Gg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=873.13'>14:33</a>):</p>
<p>And I would venture to say, some of us, especially in the past couple of years, we've experienced some toxic clients. We've all had toxic clients. But I would venture to say that our audience, because we have a very smart audience, and I believe that our members particularly, they all have integrity. They're good at their jobs and they are thoughtful and they're conscientious. And we're not saying be less conscientious, but we're saying be conscientious for your own needs as well.  There are several things that you can do. One is to realize that you're not broken. You are not an outlier. You're not the only person that may be having a season of struggle. Two is talk to some type of professional, whether it's your nutritionist, whether it your physician, telehealth appointment, mental health app, to, to make sure that you are not missing signs of something that has an underlying reason.</p>
<p>You don't want to do that. So you don't want to ignore, if you're feeling kind of blue and or you're feeling kind of tired or you're not sleeping, don't just chalk it up to it'll get better. Because so often these things do not resolve on them their own. Don't be afraid to get support. Whatever that support turns out to be for you, it's okay. And then I would say one of the things that one of my clients really highlighted for me that is so powerful. So I work with this group called Circles and they have this app and it's online, it's on demand support groups. And he created it out of some personal experiences based on the premise that people, there's therapeutic value when people help people who are going through the same exact thing. So, if you're somebody who's been through a divorce, your ears perk up when you talk to somebody who has been through a divorce and they know exactly what you're talking about. If you've lost a parent, somebody else who lost a parent, their words resonate so powerfully with you. There's power in that.</p>
<p>Well, as PR pros, no one but us really understands our job. No one understands what we're going through with clients and business development and the climate that we're in. So don't cut yourself off from your colleagues because even if you're not getting together to say, “Oh my God, I can't sleep at night, I'm having anxiety,” you can at least get together and share some of the things that are causing you agita. And with people who will not judge you, who understand. And there's such comfort in that.  So, you know, like when Michelle and I talk, I always walk away laughing and feeling better. Because we get to kvetch with one another and she gets it and I get it. And so it's therapeutic. Do not dismiss the power in tapping into people who share your values. Don't isolate yourself even though you may feel like it because you're not feeling your best. You need to reach out and talk to someone. It's one of the reasons why this month, I set up these solo sessions where I offered up, I opened up some slots in my calendar for people to just book time to just chat with me one-on-one. Just us no recordings, nothing shared outside of me and that person and open enough for them to talk about whatever they needed to talk about in that moment. It's not a lot, but it's something that so many people took advantage of because they need it that time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JWwJNhrSojWv2B0awRZN6SIqOwetEDNR13GwhR_6LKXOKwL1ikOIDKAppsqc6YjWnotaZInk7SP7LpyCCmkyiFYb1Ik?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1112.04'>18:32</a>):</p>
<p>That's huge. I couch myself as an, an extroverted introvert, so right away I'm wired for solitude more or less. But it's not until you either push yourself to get out there that you realize, okay, I needed to be out with people. Yesterday I had an 8:00 AM coffee meeting. On paper that sounds horrible. But I was so rejuvenated by the end of that hour conversation, I felt so much better about starting my day. And I thought, huh, maybe I should do this every day. And I thought, ugh, . So yes, I have a little ways to go, but it can be with PR peers, and it could even be colleagues. I know I have some in-house colleagues in my region that may be the only PR person in their company or something. And if we'll just do 15-minute vents, “Hey, how you doing? Blah, blah, blah. And you're like, can you believe it? No, I don't believe it. Yeah. Okay. So, you know, I I'm glad that we've both established, neither of us sucks. We're competent.” .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JLSAlSDJ5lPVsT4t-aDYQ_trqTm_Ar52deMroUQO33eY25F0Xl7mS9m-lV41qdJXuj1qXCB4L64VJp6rjLn43I-llCo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1182.96'>19:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, it</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z0tijOu4Em-yQJimRnlO6cmjwziC6i-R5SEQsPtNy5u662a6YsyNlXD-6IesiavZZ06wnA1ppIw3vJz9cByWopPUchM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1183.68'>19:43</a>):</p>
<p>Just keep rolling with it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DcKeJ8TbGkdrZBn5N9DQWaNRc9UEN-p-UjP3o62q_m5Ij5kj0QHjMi8W6v4rDlMe_-4GT4rdmb1OrZ2VspUkDlA6UcM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1185.42'>19:45</a>):</p>
<p>It’s worth it sometimes to go to a networking event or go to a workshop, an in-person workshop and learn something new because that's energizing. Learn something that's different from PR. Go take an art class, take a gardening class, invite somebody to go for a walk with you. It doesn't always have to be like, yeah, let's have dinner, let's have lunch. Those things are great too. But, you know, see if there's another colleague like, “Hey, you want to take a walk and just take advantage of the weather being nice enough to do that?” Because you will be rejuvenated. And so the isolation only makes things worse. And I think we're here today to tell you that you are not alone. You are not the only person dealing with whatever you're dealing with. Whatever it is, and however big it seems in your head, I promise you you're not alone. If Belle could talk, she would tell you stories.   She’d say, “I didn't know what to get, but I tried to get the thing that was making mommy cry. And so I barked at it, but I didn't know what I was barking at, but I was trying to help and so I just went to mommy and I'm like, mommy, tell me what to get and I'll make it better for you. But I couldn't see it.” </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KxwbswMk_PupuEIAbhIDvXp3kqsnzvSVx7aPbsKO36Mrfv0GII263K7Ioq7-r7wbbX9Q79V9-Hx4BUxG5etc2ZXcdUY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1258.36'>20:58</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you know what? I mean, everybody's got something.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zb2YWSpuok2DLzas_O8MKfAXPb8LoqvtXwwttyT1lR5Jja8nqWYQS5y70_POSjlIVbkqfD65VyL3rXQlFOyBdc8Hak8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1262.17'>21:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Everybody has something, you know, whatever, whatever. It's like.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/su3xKy3KwrPUItynn0UmARwGffKHQLzvmDbgXOnFMllTx2FWg4LR8cLmL6U-9FeM3LrDpTKj8u3H_Ml_L1HfOmIhFGQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.65'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and, and I clearly</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XqIRKgSfYQCOUiPDjzGoUD5gOZBW1RBuwYNsQX6VNlv286currNzPirl90EcSlAf_n6dBni5zS8JkX4rVQ8Ktk8UKkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.88'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>You're not alone.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jKIBcbgYeiMZ7TTdHM8EUBm2uLvBckVcnkxmlEc7Wstk5xuOfuO5BZrFqOF63P2INImR_8CYVFTEAj_ue2WD4poQfrc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1269.42'>21:09</a>):</p>
<p>I guarantee even the most perfectly presenting person that has it all together, they got their own stuff. They just aren't as comfortable showing it. And that could be even with themselves,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a5tIR6bQ4VU5Erd7C3VNb57W5ZW3V4FYHV0_utW4iht97h6vc0JrpMBtezLoGPiVfWBDVtcn0A-zaNzZDnbU0Q3qknc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1283.35'>21:23</a>):</p>
<p>Which is why you also honestly, when I have those sensitive moments, I do not look at social media. I'll go to groups. Because, you know, again, it's protecting myself from things that are triggers. And, so I think you have to understand what your triggers are too and protect yourself from those things. The news can be a trigger, too much information sometimes is not necessarily a blessing. And I know we PR pros, we're wired to think that we have to know all of the things all of the time. You do not. Whatever those triggers are, sometimes you just need to get in your own little bubble and not go there. So it's true. Don't be afraid to do that. It's okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k07tlH0gZZtvZsnVH61oJM-nVlYBIvy-vgf4eYJZD-u5iykHhfkN-MrEC9hzvdv8D9iBmqWoudBco66NrFjfVU7-sW0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1328.05'>22:08</a>):</p>
<p>It doesn't have to be a big fat retreat, it can just be an hour break or something. You know, indulge in something that you really want to do or what you need to do. I know for me, I like to go to the movies, but sometimes it's just, I need to sit in a dark room with nasty popcorn and be available to no one. So if that's your thing,  by all means do it. Ultimately, I feel like it's silly coming out of my mouth, but I know it's not because I don't practice it as much as I should. It's okay to take care of yourself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oepBsXLpfZmVArCDE1FAQ4UJcfaCzGtyus2W2f_y-NfvTuyIjpkOyzV9IN5I-JDM222_Kfe1bRpcuAR-bLm_d4bZUMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1367.86'>22:47</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh. It really is. It's not only okay, it's good for business because if you're good then you're going to do good work and you're not going to be brute forcing your way through it. So please do. Take time off. Go get a massage. I like massages. I know everybody doesn't, whatever it is that makes you feel that joy that makes you feel restored and balanced, make time, treat yourself with care and love and respect. You should not be treating other people better than you treat yourself.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jblHDerqTMAusbmGMcdgHjgRCv5ZJ3cTt7y-VVMiLvQlb7sDb-v9KcA4kWQF57Xek_KqLP3C182ieqiX7r4xLBPkZwY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1410.64'>23:30</a>):</p>
<p>That is so true. And I know for many of us, that is a really, really difficult lesson to learn. And, hey, real talk right now. I am so ridiculous. How ridiculous am I? Let's see, I've had, my foot's been sore for maybe a month. I finally got tired of my foot being sore and I was like, Hmm, there's nothing external. So I went to the podiatrist and I said, yeah, it's been about a month. They're like, oh, well it's this tendon, the tendon is irritated, so do these calf stretches. And I said, oh, so you mean if I had gone to my yoga class like I should have been doing for the past six months, I wouldn't be here . That, that's how ridiculous I am, and I'm sure there's many of you nodding about that. So if I had invested in taking care of myself rather than doing one more hour of work, because ooh, gotta hit those numbers. So, we're all learning.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Y-lYUeRsjY2pcTX3EyTyYNFxvfw3-6_SG93ljdgYB_BJ6yGJ9Z-vVv1oSQC76ukHlqrvoe0rQKKTiD1uw4eoboL5SlM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1465.61'>24:25</a>):</p>
<p>We’re all still learning. We hope this has helped you to take a deep breath, to feel like you are not alone. We hope that you are inspired to take better care of yourself, to make time for your own needs. That's not being selfish, it's not being a terrible worker. You're not a terrible PR pro. You're a great business owner, but you have to care for yourself. And if you have suggestions or things that have worked for you, as always, we always love to hear from you. Please hit us up on any of the social media channels and use the hashtag #soloPR so that we know and we can spot those because we track that hashtag</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kBLGNneaJ5peAH4JeX-NUkFbfBUBOiV80dScdBzJ_ieXHAibtIqtcX1XmPAKhii_ZGC0oqEbh-HsnAqLn1SifkqxrtI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1510.34'>25:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we would love that. We would love that. So we definitely want to hear from you and please, if you have a friend that you think needs to hear this or if you need to listen to it a lot, because I may need to listen to this a lot, who knows. But we do, we value that you give us your valuable time. So until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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The Land of the Wounded: Mental Health and PRThat Solo Life Episode 205
Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim (00:18):
I'm good, Michelle. Hello. Hello. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:22):
I'm good. Yeah. You know, good
Karen Swim (00:26):
 in all the weirdness of PR land
Michelle Kane (00:29):
And boy can it get weird. Yeah. That's why we thought today it would be wise to talk, just a little check in about mental health. Because even though we both just said we're good, seems like I, I love what you said earlier, Karen, before we started this episode of everyone's just kind of walking around keeping it together with spit and duct tape, .
Karen Swim (00:53):
Yeah. It's so true and so unfortunate. And, you know, we started planning ahead for this topic when this article came out in PR news. And it was a poll asked, and the question posed was, do PR employees feel comfortable discussing mental health struggles? And 68% of people said no. Now granted, this was a small poll. However, you and I have no problems believing this. And I believe that this plays into the bigger narrative of traditionally work has been that place where people expect you to have nothing wrong with you. It's why pre pandemic people would have a cold and they would come to work, they'd get the flu, and as long as they could walk, they would come to work. You would say, “Are you okay?” Yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Because that's the American way. Yeah, yeah. I'm fine. Yeah.
Michelle Kane (01:55):
Yes, exactly.
Karen Swim (01:56):
I'm fine. You know, people would die and you would work. And , we pr pros, we took that into our own businesses and we amplified it because suddenly we not only felt like it wasn't okay not to be okay, but that we had to be triple okay. Because it was our own business, so we could never take the time to tend to ourselves.
Michelle Kane (02:18):
Right. Right.
Karen Swim (02:20):
And I would love to say that the pandemic changed all of that at a corporate level, but it did not. What did change is our awareness that we're not okay. Everybody is dealing with something. And it's been, I think we all had this hope, which is why there was a part of the pandemic that was a happy time for everybody. We were breaking bread, we were listening to music, we were gathering together, and we were like, we're going to get through this because we truly believed that there would be an end and that there would be a better new normal. Right. What we experienced was continuing series of trauma. And in PR specifically, our industry has undergone massive waves of change. The media landscape is different, clients are different. And we have the economic challenges. It's just, it's a lot.
Michelle Kane (03:20):
It's a lot.
Karen Swim (03:21):
And it, it breaks my heart that we all have our stuff, we all have our days, we all have our moments where we may be experiencing anxiety, depression, and we feel like we have to present to the world and to our clients this front of I'm okay.
Michelle Kane (03:41):
Yeah.
Karen Swim (03:42):
And you know, there's a part of us that thinks nobody wants to hear that we, or if I say I'm not okay, then what? You know, I have to exude trust and confidence. And if I'm not okay, they won't trust me.
Michelle Kane (04:01):
Exactly. And, we're moreso that in our business where it's our job to keep everyone together, to keep it together, to present the perfect, not false, but to present the best front possible ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Let it go. No, we’re not going to sing that song. We are talking about all the ways solo PR pros can delegate to people and tools so we can grow our businesses and free up time in our schedules while still delivering for our clients.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ND1g6FNTApPWWBEqJmtElLxr9pWZonh5_is_eXYbuxHff2kxaUhyTqbFYO4YYFBEA2B8KhM0Qzl8gbfD5gabkGqKOq8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.19'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for that Solo life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. Here we are, another day, another episode. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S5LXJ4FTVUgSOdhnwpPdrOGRqzqGvF2DSwVx95fuXXdCwrb1qmQLdI6s6NPvKG8pbfX6JdHVAOGQir6Xpt4gAWp9l8Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.85'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>I am good, thank you. I, you know, it's funny for listeners who will later see the video, I feel like I am took myself back to 1970 for some reason today, like I'm wearing a headset over my head today and have this purple thing on the back of my chair, because it's freezing in my office, . And so, yeah, I'm good.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l8qXHsFyNtHM7ArO7oJQCTMzgyaRHAr9jgZaUE3ih2x9xbnVnkiTiakVZ46fO2Xu4U_TrtAs7-9aOXwuCoeth5fig5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.12'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>All good. It's all good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8ftn2fU1YlisMp_QLEzvZp3SIIJNIQNE4PYzxYllxMwQvvGsk1i3a6ERXRPk6F51ZrNc2bkoycJkLCx1t48KicX6p_A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=44.49'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>Karen Swim, hippie. Karen Swim, coming to you from 1972,  .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KtqSMA2vUdR4VACG4CAAep8GgKsoD8LkXZ3bfnVt_wleXW1jYrC1qpHxo8RQp_9_oruOf_OaLE72NR2OgRrsK_ZLkHI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=50.79'>00:50</a>):</p>
<p>I'll send in my radio request later. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm excited about our topic today because it's something that really helps us through our day today, and the theme of the day is - let it go - and no, we don't mean just run away from your desk and never come back.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>Are you sure?</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Well, it has been that kind of week so far, but I'm going to grit my teeth and get through. It's about delegation. What can we delegate? Because how else can we grow our business? You know, we only have a finite amount of time and energy, and of course we solos have a whole lot of get up and go and, ooh, let's do all the things. So how do we marry those two ideas to achieve the most success? We're just going to touch on some points of things you can do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9ard8ws-128_g0hkJ6o20Zrzyi32RknAVRQcmTFkXg30DtNgZ72bEqlxG1uv966d0PQ4ySx4IaaKx0ge06_Quk_elmY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=109.05'>01:49</a>):</p>
<p>I feel like this topic comes up quite a bit, what are the practical ways that I can relieve some of my load and gain back time so that I have the opportunity to work on the business and the opportunity to do more strategic work for my clients? And so I'm looking forward to chatting about this today and offering up some, some practical tips, some things that you can think about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ADbQ1DaOk8uJ08517zOAce9MHw58aVNHqO2WADBkJs_OLqQKyHkQ_nOCb2w_KbdK1tomuak9REdIdoay024JKT71CZs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=140.59'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, one of those is certainly your content creation, right? You don't need to write every single piece of everything you do there. There is low hanging fruit that you can hand off, or even dare I say ChatGPT, if it's an event release, something so simple that you could do in your sleep. Well, pop those facts in, massage it up and, you know, let it go. Or, even work with others. I know my local school district has a program called Pathways 360, where they encourage you to take on a mentee. So that's a great way to get help as well. Look around you and see what opportunities there are to mentor someone and also get a little help for yourself too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k5lH3KlqRz-gF20d22KcvJZF4In4DnGIsPSCL3ZOfklolTjKJJzXNCYts8tEGu-dWe9E_mGocTHfqnOgbaF5WLXy4_s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=190.99'>03:10</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree and realizing, we should have set this up top, but as you delegate things to other people, you will have to realize that there will be a period of time where you will need to train people on what you want. So it's really important to, for example, if you're going to outsource writing, I think content creation is a fabulous thing to outsource and outsourcing it in a way that you can truly optimize it. For example, if you, for your own agency, write a blog, or maybe you're doing blog posts for clients, that is something that you personally don't have to write. But oftentimes we want to take that content and we want to get the most out of it by repurposing it. So maybe you have a byline opportunity and you want to take that byline and you wiant to pitch it again by slightly tweaking it, outsource all of that at one time. If you're chopping it up into social media posts, that's something else that you could do all at once. Make sure that you clearly communicate needs in a written brief or some type of document that the writer has on hand. Provide examples and then build in a window of time so that you could step in and help to shape the content.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Kh5ZLc5NVWG8bVXjBC5BFcE8kcwyZFpocCHZD2-C0cE-Ez8Rv-dN_Kv6c2Hhpyx3EUDPfvKZv6Fckir2WX0_SUWEVJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=273.31'>04:33</a>):</p>
<p>That's so key. I think especially, it's not just giving them an a deadline, but because, and especially if this is someone new that you're working with, or if it's the first time that you're doing it, because let's face it we tend to be type A control freaks in this business. What? Me? Who? And so you want to make sure that it's going in the way that you want it to go. It has the right tone, it's hitting all the right points. So I agree. Set up that check-in time as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lURA4YyLqttfgZoO6h7ZJ4i3ZkGH5P6wZyMagdb1s_jFLfAlEXOtMYNO56EqUTDcKv0KkWI_jHr71_i8h7qIz-27Fv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=303.7'>05:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And here's the big game changer. AI really has been a game changer in being able to use it for content creation, but that does not mean that you cannot still outsource that as well to someone else. Maybe you have an assistant and it's a good opportunity to really harness AI. You will also do better if you start with some clear idea because you want to treat AI like an intern where you're giving it enough information in the prompts to deliver something that's actually meaningful. The more you use AI, the better that you get at getting better results because you're giving better input. And so you have to realize that AI is a computer. So in the same way that you a Google search and you don't want to say, “Hey, find me a Mediterranean restaurant.” Where? In the entire world or in your neighborhood? You want to give it specific information because the more specific that you are, the better the answers are going to come back. And so, same thing with AI, but again, it's something that you could have an intern do, provide the information, and then you can go in and you can refine your prompts and tell it how to talk to you, what not to include. All good tips. So again, and that takes something off of your plate and gives you back time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u5YnZo5cAcHDLW05Gr_wK2ZI02RahPIvYe5r9Ai7pON3P3yj6Csqm_jYL8v0uVnogjZE9Chx0XrY12qUrZiJGp-ir-8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=398.99'>06:38</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I think it's a great way to do it. I would say another thing too is even if you struggle with keeping your schedule, you could try and get an assistant to help you there, and make it a real person. We've talked about that lately,  no pen names with your assistants, but, get a gatekeeper in some ways if that's an issue for you or if you struggle with creating that time for deep thinking or deep project work, especially. And, I know it's hard. It's hard to say, “No.” You want to please everyone. I get asked for meetings, and if I see that it's more than two weeks out, I start to feel bad. And I know that's, even in the moment I catch myself with that, Michelle, that's not bad. That's a good thing. But at the same time, if you need some help there, I think that's another way that you can take that load off your mind and just get a little help.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/niJEArUiiUVa9k29KGbQ42Z78NSCrlSNz2xgX06oIaT3URQ5WQ5bLBF15E_LFaT_VfoHIO8amIIQxHi1BJx7Kfmk0qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=464.78'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's interesting, you know, when we first chose this topic, we were really thinking along human lines. And it's interesting, things have changed so fast that so many of these things can actually be semi-delegated to AI. So for example, when we're thinking about the writing that can be semi-delegated to AI, it definitely can cut down your time. Research is another area that you can delegate to a human being or to AI. You can have AI do research for you. Again, yes, you will have to fact check some things, and you need to make sure that you're getting back accurate information. But the better that you get at using AI, the better the information does become and ChatGPT for me, I highly recommend it and it has gotten better. And now there's GPT4, which is going to be a completely different experience for you.</p>
<p>It's 20 bucks a month for the premium version, not a big amount of money, and the time savings is worth it. So research. You can even use ChatGPT to write plans. So I know that that's one of those areas where as PR pros, we typically do not want to delegate fully because it requires some strategic thinking. But you can shave some time off of putting that plan together, putting together the charts, putting together the timelines by inputting information into ChatGPT. So spending some time there and then saving time and, again, maybe this is step one that you can delegate to an assistant, to a junior employee or even to a contractor. And then you can take that information and now you have something to work with that's going to save you time and you've protected, you've protected your time to be able to do that higher value work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2tSoiECMVgeTx9voB69IN0iOwlaIUA0e7egy27h_T7XY1Id7Jrj7F9WqhWs-R5C0TCxJmP_FtKu7Pyu04AFaUvVaKk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=587.34'>09:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and I think especially, I know this is often my experience and it's because it's a lot of strategic thinking, but let's face it, these are ideas, ideas that come from our minds, and that sounded dumb, but you know what I mean, , it takes your energy. And, it doesn't matter how many plans you've done, you still sometimes sit there and look at the page and go, okay, I know I've done this a zillion times, but I want to make sure this is specific as needed to the client, and let's make sure this is the best it can be. And if you can get a little help with that, there's no shame in that. That's working smarter, not harder, which is what we should all be striving to do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j3uYzsvBQ_YYdXyY8TvojPEQgTiID5Vngl7a7fuEllskDI2nBfX3WRVR-2BNHUInZDyvWigkB8QSIA7sbtV7TD9_oFg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=634.53'>10:34</a>):</p>
<p>And here's a big one, I think for so many people. Use a virtual assistant to manage your communications in your calendar. So this can mean somebody that checks through your emails and eliminates all the garbage and gives you maybe a summary of things that need a response that they can actually respond to on your behalf. They can set up meetings, they can manage things for you. Again, it just takes you training them on how you like to schedule meetings. Are there days that you like to block off? Or you can do that yourself by using a share calendar? Are there certain emails that you don't care if you ever see  and they can just, you know, either respond to them or trash them to keep your inbox clean so you can use an assistant for those things. And, and that again, preserves your bandwidth</p>
<p>Because you said the key thing, Michelle, it's not always about the physical amount of time. It's really about saving our brain power, our energy levels. It is, it can be draining to sift through a full inbox and those messages don't go away. They just sit there for me, personally, and I'm sure for a lot of other people that are completely OCD, that clutter zaps energy, because it does, it's digital clutter. And it just drives me bananas. So I try to keep a clean inbox. So use a VA, that's something else that you can delegate. If you're somebody that's not comfortable with having somebody manage your schedule, I see you, I am that person because I feel like, somebody's going to put something on my calendar and then the day is going to come and I'm not going to feel like doing it. It's just stupid . It's dumb. But that is me all day long. I admit that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XBrxJLxqdhJ7CUq16u95D5UKlj-zlc_6Btd265GimO0Z9tdaOtAx9hugsr7yuiTO55zBWyunlYVRVwGjGHyVlnADaaY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=743.62'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Like we said, let it go. See, I'm the polar opposite with my email. I'm not really a hoarder, but I like to know that they're there with me. A 50,000 email inbox doesn't bother me at all. I know… </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iukU2wjslleNNrpV3cbhOv7FD4BbZWQDT6Ca3zXJ5jAEz5pUqSAVe--G95Fp-IlRWdZYIeinT_6KWycX8VPIVqyA4To?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=760.51'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>That just gave me anxiety. ,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UFXR9WmXgsvhZd24akTkBHs8IMDdDtThi5as4McOzpl1scnX7wstHRxWxMCurb9ANohJknBba4MKCE5gdjVl1XmEKWA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=765.98'>12:45</a>):</p>
<p>I think I've inherited my grandmother's depression era mindset. I might need that someday. I don't know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1NBLbd90sgmwqWi_5VWv4ozSF8RorOzjvEXigz7XhwS-1IeS8y3t-Ys5gqLGFzP82r-8lCVZOHL9bLQK5dB1RtV0pH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=776.54'>12:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And my mentality is, you know what? You can find anything on the Goog . I can find it again. I don't care.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4HbXK7ji7FBZHQivD2cw3Vui4EzYZw0pnXZSbAPp2lhd0B1ltxCsBDh8ojojLvVIrdhhZcnwgbB61TVCNX6dsb8xHNc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=787.57'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>I just had to drop that in, ‘cause I'm like, oh, I'm good. How many am I up to today? You don't want to know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Txp25Gs3NwfVPvhqmzfH-qaikL7jh4u0AK9tAbh-yskg21cKbaLENLqTOpYXgJjIOuwNlg31abt21-sW_5-0elsQ528?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.36'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>And full inbox does not give me joy. Just, I'm just saying .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dZ0KFmb_gp1mTUyVCOHy684UvJAAMXwpRPJb9lqEjeKd6b-BcqbeGbxluEc4sla2h_FH-IbUKhDqWdxJ0VATevXvyOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=798.58'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. But, I think because we've mentioned it several times throughout this podcast episode already, it is that training time. Because I think, I know for me that's a hindrance to making this happen many times because I think, well, I can just do it myself. Yeah, okay. That one time. But if you spend that “do it myself” time, maybe the equivalent of one to three times think, how much more time is that still going to open up for you? So this is not a quick fix necessarily. This is not just a, “Hey, could you call that person back for me?” This is an investment in your business and its growth. And I didn't slow that down because I think our listeners are five year olds. I said it because I need to tell it to myself like I'm a five year old, you know?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Lt8-m93FPA0BIpB1w9hWRBGQoxqRyTC0wRC8hBLmTN0bOPWmtVFxpirRebr_SpwxjqANTYJVSq12msfwypLowdfSQn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=846.76'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And when you are mentally prepared to spend a couple of extra hours training along the way, I want you to ask yourself, will that be worth it? If you could save yourself, let's say if you could save yourself 10 hours per week, what would that mean for your business and for your life? If you had 10 extra hours in your work week, that could mean spending more time on actually focusing on how to scale your business. It could mean more time on, you know, business development, actually meeting with prospective clients and nurturing people through the pipeline. It could mean 10 hours where you could actually read some of those books that would help you to, to either, you know, just for fun or those books that you've been meaning to read that have valuable information to help you to grow as a professional.</p>
<p>It could mean that you have 10 hours to start that physical fitness program. I mean, that's a lot of time and it is within our reach. There is an investment of both time and a little bit of money sometimes. But it pays off. And you don't miss it either. You don't miss the investment of time or of money when you get to the other side of it and realize, oh my gosh, I should have done this years ago. It's, you know, bookkeeping is another thing. Why are you doing your books? It's just such an arduous task that you can outsource to a professional who can do your monthly books, have you ready for tax time. All of that takes a lot of weight off of your shoulders. And we're all about relieving burdens. And so you have to stop looking at the pennies in front of you and thinking, you know, “Oh my God, I don't have two extra hours today to go over this stuff.” Or “I don't have three extra hours this week to look at this and oh my gosh, I have to spend how much to do this?” because it's going to save you on the other side of it. So, first of all is shifting your thinking and understanding that you're worth it and that this stuff really has value.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2iPiVJfCdJ7R8RPTnodzAloUI8FOzyWzZBNergRJGpQr1a9l8zMuOX1FVyhraAASEYpLPem4i9tc__ok_eZHkq4ukHU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=991.91'>16:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And that is key. Think of this as a mindset exercise because our mindset is everything. And it's interesting. I've been in a couple of meetings lately where just in the course of our discussions - and I just speak from the position of I'm a solo. I spend a lot of time by myself here in the office and you work with clients and stuff, but they’re clients, you're doing their work. But when you're in some other circles and not quite sure what my point is, but it just elevates what you do in your mind. Sometimes we can discount what we do just because it comes easy to us because Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, you know, we're just doing our thing, and you don't sometimes feel the effects of what you're doing. So, it is important to have those experiences and you have to free up your time to get there. And experiencing those mindset check-ins, I guess I call them that because it's so important and, and valuable to you as a person and as a professional and realize, oh yeah, okay, this is, this does matter. And yeah. Okay. This is good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ig1d8SABS5XihcWHSWlk9MDsBqp-abVMTCx2MLXdRP_w7ngXfXH6L8HkuYpIy-sgMmCJ8wujQOhGVDXoDh465lHQRcA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1071.03'>17:51</a>):</p>
<p>I'll say it this way. You know, one of the best things that you can do for your business is to really fully embrace that you are a business owner. That you're not just a worker bee. And so when I hear people say, “Oh, I just go in a Canva and do my visual content, or I just do this, I just go here and I do the,” you're doing a lot, but if you were the CEO of a Fortune 100 company, would you be popping into Canda and creating your own images or would you be delegating that to someone else? So you have to really stop yourself and think, just because I can doesn't mean I have to. And the more that you embrace that role that you are a business owner, and that does not mean that sometimes you're not doing some of the things.</p>
<p>It's great that we know that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. There's the labor shortage. Sometimes you can't find people. You need to understand the parts of your business, but you're a business owner. And the more you act like it, the more that your customers treat you like that, the more that you grow up in how you price your services Yeah. And how you take control of your business and how you start to increase your confidence about what you're doing. But as long as you hold yourself down in that worker bee position, you don't realize that it's impacting other areas of your business. So I love Canva, but I have somebody else use Canva. I love all these tools, but I'm not doing all of those things because everything is not mission critical for me personally to do. And again, we PR types are such control freaks that we hate to like, you know, it's like you pride this out of my cold dead hands. We have to let go. And we have to understand that even with training, people are not going to do things exactly the way that you do it, but the way that you judge it isn't effective. Does it get the job done? Are my clients happy?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_7plFtdWyJu7mdInJArwtFq_MPXru4X69ogfO9gQCYIvlvZwsQ1VPCBy-opLVlJMCnNxiGG-9T89Cx8GZ39fEwfgWG0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1196.34'>19:56</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8ArAKNhcnZLN7ebCX49Mt_iehcESXDS2tSoT90j5od6df3RBJP1vTUwKoVtaZt-toR_vo8AtDc8b8r7SSEgaeeTvBc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1197.48'>19:57</a>):</p>
<p>Is it producing the outcome that's desired? If it is, let it go. They may not do things the same way as you do, I promise you they will not. It's okay because you didn't have to touch it. And so that's your goal is to find those things that, you know what? I didn't have to touch it. It happened, it worked. It's great. Let it go.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tW7oaAZse5sB6_tnT2LfHPpmTVLuq2leRLnstR7lENPifmFMikACrnNkrFl5qFKoldLHmP5bMxIeYTqr3eN5J8SijSE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1218.15'>20:18</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And all the more reason to have things like brand guidelines at the ready as you train the people, if they, they know the colorways and the fonts to use, and here are all the assets, it's less likely to go off the rails. So we can get our control in that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Jdtt3VowrVN3-lmhRrF2N7VPlN2rc_6WJrh6_7_KOx_Nqd7K_fj18cJ69i6xIe7lmmVWHQtMRuf_J4_b-jXtnOqRxiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1235.15'>20:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We've talked about this before. One of the benefits of starting to delegate things in your business is that you also now start to have this documentation around your business, your process, your workflows. So in the event that you do need to take off for a period of time, and maybe you need to have another solo come in and cover for a time, maybe it's maternity leave, maybe it's paternity leave, maybe it's caregiving that is taking you away. Maybe it's a vacation. For any number of reasons, you may need to take a, a lesser role in your own business. You have documentation that makes it much easier to bring somebody alongside of you into the business. Or maybe at some point you just want to expand and you want to team up with another solo, or two or three or four or 10. You have processes. And so it makes it easier to slice and dice the work and to share with people how your business works, because you've already started this process.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3NTHhUIBJJZP4EJRxFJ9PUjgPOvlmxmaxV6E25sOyX5ZXSaihEoosSpcZsXa7pHrWgvlY7ku-D_PkqhVSPN4SKYdwO4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1293.58'>21:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Systems make the world go around. They're beautiful things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HHNMl-JzOxzBseChD7LRQvTBWjdVukX6tO-Tma3gUAIygWG2curo69lGf14OyODyvVOaguWTTl4NFT7nFGUap_enEmI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1298.26'>21:38</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, that documentation is another thing that you can delegate .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_e1EVG07_5rZllXBiHS7Uy5hUglqFdV6OiQ5ol2u6WUU-J60wYcKD6jXwS5Hlnnot9sM22tCfuKv1hJeTtsFq4F__rQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1308.1'>21:48</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, it's like anything, the more you do it, the easier it becomes. So we hope that this little pep talk to you and maybe to ourselves a little bit has been helpful. And if you do find this content valuable, please share it around with your friends and your colleagues on your own, all your socials. We would really appreciate that. And we do appreciate you giving us part of your busy day and listening to That Solo Life. And until next time, thank you for listening.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ND1g6FNTApPWWBEqJmtElLxr9pWZonh5_is_eXYbuxHff2kxaUhyTqbFYO4YYFBEA2B8KhM0Qzl8gbfD5gabkGqKOq8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.19'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for that Solo life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. Here we are, another day, another episode. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S5LXJ4FTVUgSOdhnwpPdrOGRqzqGvF2DSwVx95fuXXdCwrb1qmQLdI6s6NPvKG8pbfX6JdHVAOGQir6Xpt4gAWp9l8Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.85'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>I am good, thank you. I, you know, it's funny for listeners who will later see the video, I feel like I am took myself back to 1970 for some reason today, like I'm wearing a headset over my head today and have this purple thing on the back of my chair, because it's freezing in my office, . And so, yeah, I'm good.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/l8qXHsFyNtHM7ArO7oJQCTMzgyaRHAr9jgZaUE3ih2x9xbnVnkiTiakVZ46fO2Xu4U_TrtAs7-9aOXwuCoeth5fig5w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.12'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>All good. It's all good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8ftn2fU1YlisMp_QLEzvZp3SIIJNIQNE4PYzxYllxMwQvvGsk1i3a6ERXRPk6F51ZrNc2bkoycJkLCx1t48KicX6p_A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=44.49'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>Karen Swim, hippie. Karen Swim, coming to you from 1972,  .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KtqSMA2vUdR4VACG4CAAep8GgKsoD8LkXZ3bfnVt_wleXW1jYrC1qpHxo8RQp_9_oruOf_OaLE72NR2OgRrsK_ZLkHI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=50.79'>00:50</a>):</p>
<p>I'll send in my radio request later. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm excited about our topic today because it's something that really helps us through our day today, and the theme of the day is - let it go - and no, we don't mean just run away from your desk and never come back.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR</p>
<p>Are you sure?</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Well, it has been that kind of week so far, but I'm going to grit my teeth and get through. It's about delegation. What can we delegate? Because how else can we grow our business? You know, we only have a finite amount of time and energy, and of course we solos have a whole lot of get up and go and, ooh, let's do all the things. So how do we marry those two ideas to achieve the most success? We're just going to touch on some points of things you can do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9ard8ws-128_g0hkJ6o20Zrzyi32RknAVRQcmTFkXg30DtNgZ72bEqlxG1uv966d0PQ4ySx4IaaKx0ge06_Quk_elmY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=109.05'>01:49</a>):</p>
<p>I feel like this topic comes up quite a bit, what are the practical ways that I can relieve some of my load and gain back time so that I have the opportunity to work on the business and the opportunity to do more strategic work for my clients? And so I'm looking forward to chatting about this today and offering up some, some practical tips, some things that you can think about.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ADbQ1DaOk8uJ08517zOAce9MHw58aVNHqO2WADBkJs_OLqQKyHkQ_nOCb2w_KbdK1tomuak9REdIdoay024JKT71CZs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=140.59'>02:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, one of those is certainly your content creation, right? You don't need to write every single piece of everything you do there. There is low hanging fruit that you can hand off, or even dare I say ChatGPT, if it's an event release, something so simple that you could do in your sleep. Well, pop those facts in, massage it up and, you know, let it go. Or, even work with others. I know my local school district has a program called Pathways 360, where they encourage you to take on a mentee. So that's a great way to get help as well. Look around you and see what opportunities there are to mentor someone and also get a little help for yourself too.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/k5lH3KlqRz-gF20d22KcvJZF4In4DnGIsPSCL3ZOfklolTjKJJzXNCYts8tEGu-dWe9E_mGocTHfqnOgbaF5WLXy4_s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=190.99'>03:10</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree and realizing, we should have set this up top, but as you delegate things to other people, you will have to realize that there will be a period of time where you will need to train people on what you want. So it's really important to, for example, if you're going to outsource writing, I think content creation is a fabulous thing to outsource and outsourcing it in a way that you can truly optimize it. For example, if you, for your own agency, write a blog, or maybe you're doing blog posts for clients, that is something that you personally don't have to write. But oftentimes we want to take that content and we want to get the most out of it by repurposing it. So maybe you have a byline opportunity and you want to take that byline and you wiant to pitch it again by slightly tweaking it, outsource all of that at one time. If you're chopping it up into social media posts, that's something else that you could do all at once. Make sure that you clearly communicate needs in a written brief or some type of document that the writer has on hand. Provide examples and then build in a window of time so that you could step in and help to shape the content.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Kh5ZLc5NVWG8bVXjBC5BFcE8kcwyZFpocCHZD2-C0cE-Ez8Rv-dN_Kv6c2Hhpyx3EUDPfvKZv6Fckir2WX0_SUWEVJg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=273.31'>04:33</a>):</p>
<p>That's so key. I think especially, it's not just giving them an a deadline, but because, and especially if this is someone new that you're working with, or if it's the first time that you're doing it, because let's face it we tend to be type A control freaks in this business. What? Me? Who? And so you want to make sure that it's going in the way that you want it to go. It has the right tone, it's hitting all the right points. So I agree. Set up that check-in time as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lURA4YyLqttfgZoO6h7ZJ4i3ZkGH5P6wZyMagdb1s_jFLfAlEXOtMYNO56EqUTDcKv0KkWI_jHr71_i8h7qIz-27Fv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=303.7'>05:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And here's the big game changer. AI really has been a game changer in being able to use it for content creation, but that does not mean that you cannot still outsource that as well to someone else. Maybe you have an assistant and it's a good opportunity to really harness AI. You will also do better if you start with some clear idea because you want to treat AI like an intern where you're giving it enough information in the prompts to deliver something that's actually meaningful. The more you use AI, the better that you get at getting better results because you're giving better input. And so you have to realize that AI is a computer. So in the same way that you a Google search and you don't want to say, “Hey, find me a Mediterranean restaurant.” Where? In the entire world or in your neighborhood? You want to give it specific information because the more specific that you are, the better the answers are going to come back. And so, same thing with AI, but again, it's something that you could have an intern do, provide the information, and then you can go in and you can refine your prompts and tell it how to talk to you, what not to include. All good tips. So again, and that takes something off of your plate and gives you back time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u5YnZo5cAcHDLW05Gr_wK2ZI02RahPIvYe5r9Ai7pON3P3yj6Csqm_jYL8v0uVnogjZE9Chx0XrY12qUrZiJGp-ir-8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=398.99'>06:38</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. I think it's a great way to do it. I would say another thing too is even if you struggle with keeping your schedule, you could try and get an assistant to help you there, and make it a real person. We've talked about that lately,  no pen names with your assistants, but, get a gatekeeper in some ways if that's an issue for you or if you struggle with creating that time for deep thinking or deep project work, especially. And, I know it's hard. It's hard to say, “No.” You want to please everyone. I get asked for meetings, and if I see that it's more than two weeks out, I start to feel bad. And I know that's, even in the moment I catch myself with that, Michelle, that's not bad. That's a good thing. But at the same time, if you need some help there, I think that's another way that you can take that load off your mind and just get a little help.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/niJEArUiiUVa9k29KGbQ42Z78NSCrlSNz2xgX06oIaT3URQ5WQ5bLBF15E_LFaT_VfoHIO8amIIQxHi1BJx7Kfmk0qM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=464.78'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's interesting, you know, when we first chose this topic, we were really thinking along human lines. And it's interesting, things have changed so fast that so many of these things can actually be semi-delegated to AI. So for example, when we're thinking about the writing that can be semi-delegated to AI, it definitely can cut down your time. Research is another area that you can delegate to a human being or to AI. You can have AI do research for you. Again, yes, you will have to fact check some things, and you need to make sure that you're getting back accurate information. But the better that you get at using AI, the better the information does become and ChatGPT for me, I highly recommend it and it has gotten better. And now there's GPT4, which is going to be a completely different experience for you.</p>
<p>It's 20 bucks a month for the premium version, not a big amount of money, and the time savings is worth it. So research. You can even use ChatGPT to write plans. So I know that that's one of those areas where as PR pros, we typically do not want to delegate fully because it requires some strategic thinking. But you can shave some time off of putting that plan together, putting together the charts, putting together the timelines by inputting information into ChatGPT. So spending some time there and then saving time and, again, maybe this is step one that you can delegate to an assistant, to a junior employee or even to a contractor. And then you can take that information and now you have something to work with that's going to save you time and you've protected, you've protected your time to be able to do that higher value work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2tSoiECMVgeTx9voB69IN0iOwlaIUA0e7egy27h_T7XY1Id7Jrj7F9WqhWs-R5C0TCxJmP_FtKu7Pyu04AFaUvVaKk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=587.34'>09:47</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and I think especially, I know this is often my experience and it's because it's a lot of strategic thinking, but let's face it, these are ideas, ideas that come from our minds, and that sounded dumb, but you know what I mean, , it takes your energy. And, it doesn't matter how many plans you've done, you still sometimes sit there and look at the page and go, okay, I know I've done this a zillion times, but I want to make sure this is specific as needed to the client, and let's make sure this is the best it can be. And if you can get a little help with that, there's no shame in that. That's working smarter, not harder, which is what we should all be striving to do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j3uYzsvBQ_YYdXyY8TvojPEQgTiID5Vngl7a7fuEllskDI2nBfX3WRVR-2BNHUInZDyvWigkB8QSIA7sbtV7TD9_oFg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=634.53'>10:34</a>):</p>
<p>And here's a big one, I think for so many people. Use a virtual assistant to manage your communications in your calendar. So this can mean somebody that checks through your emails and eliminates all the garbage and gives you maybe a summary of things that need a response that they can actually respond to on your behalf. They can set up meetings, they can manage things for you. Again, it just takes you training them on how you like to schedule meetings. Are there days that you like to block off? Or you can do that yourself by using a share calendar? Are there certain emails that you don't care if you ever see  and they can just, you know, either respond to them or trash them to keep your inbox clean so you can use an assistant for those things. And, and that again, preserves your bandwidth</p>
<p>Because you said the key thing, Michelle, it's not always about the physical amount of time. It's really about saving our brain power, our energy levels. It is, it can be draining to sift through a full inbox and those messages don't go away. They just sit there for me, personally, and I'm sure for a lot of other people that are completely OCD, that clutter zaps energy, because it does, it's digital clutter. And it just drives me bananas. So I try to keep a clean inbox. So use a VA, that's something else that you can delegate. If you're somebody that's not comfortable with having somebody manage your schedule, I see you, I am that person because I feel like, somebody's going to put something on my calendar and then the day is going to come and I'm not going to feel like doing it. It's just stupid . It's dumb. But that is me all day long. I admit that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XBrxJLxqdhJ7CUq16u95D5UKlj-zlc_6Btd265GimO0Z9tdaOtAx9hugsr7yuiTO55zBWyunlYVRVwGjGHyVlnADaaY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=743.62'>12:23</a>):</p>
<p>Like we said, let it go. See, I'm the polar opposite with my email. I'm not really a hoarder, but I like to know that they're there with me. A 50,000 email inbox doesn't bother me at all. I know… </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iukU2wjslleNNrpV3cbhOv7FD4BbZWQDT6Ca3zXJ5jAEz5pUqSAVe--G95Fp-IlRWdZYIeinT_6KWycX8VPIVqyA4To?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=760.51'>12:40</a>):</p>
<p>That just gave me anxiety. ,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UFXR9WmXgsvhZd24akTkBHs8IMDdDtThi5as4McOzpl1scnX7wstHRxWxMCurb9ANohJknBba4MKCE5gdjVl1XmEKWA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=765.98'>12:45</a>):</p>
<p>I think I've inherited my grandmother's depression era mindset. I might need that someday. I don't know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1NBLbd90sgmwqWi_5VWv4ozSF8RorOzjvEXigz7XhwS-1IeS8y3t-Ys5gqLGFzP82r-8lCVZOHL9bLQK5dB1RtV0pH8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=776.54'>12:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah. And my mentality is, you know what? You can find anything on the Goog . I can find it again. I don't care.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4HbXK7ji7FBZHQivD2cw3Vui4EzYZw0pnXZSbAPp2lhd0B1ltxCsBDh8ojojLvVIrdhhZcnwgbB61TVCNX6dsb8xHNc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=787.57'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>I just had to drop that in, ‘cause I'm like, oh, I'm good. How many am I up to today? You don't want to know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Txp25Gs3NwfVPvhqmzfH-qaikL7jh4u0AK9tAbh-yskg21cKbaLENLqTOpYXgJjIOuwNlg31abt21-sW_5-0elsQ528?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.36'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>And full inbox does not give me joy. Just, I'm just saying .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dZ0KFmb_gp1mTUyVCOHy684UvJAAMXwpRPJb9lqEjeKd6b-BcqbeGbxluEc4sla2h_FH-IbUKhDqWdxJ0VATevXvyOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=798.58'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. But, I think because we've mentioned it several times throughout this podcast episode already, it is that training time. Because I think, I know for me that's a hindrance to making this happen many times because I think, well, I can just do it myself. Yeah, okay. That one time. But if you spend that “do it myself” time, maybe the equivalent of one to three times think, how much more time is that still going to open up for you? So this is not a quick fix necessarily. This is not just a, “Hey, could you call that person back for me?” This is an investment in your business and its growth. And I didn't slow that down because I think our listeners are five year olds. I said it because I need to tell it to myself like I'm a five year old, you know?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Lt8-m93FPA0BIpB1w9hWRBGQoxqRyTC0wRC8hBLmTN0bOPWmtVFxpirRebr_SpwxjqANTYJVSq12msfwypLowdfSQn0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=846.76'>14:06</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And when you are mentally prepared to spend a couple of extra hours training along the way, I want you to ask yourself, will that be worth it? If you could save yourself, let's say if you could save yourself 10 hours per week, what would that mean for your business and for your life? If you had 10 extra hours in your work week, that could mean spending more time on actually focusing on how to scale your business. It could mean more time on, you know, business development, actually meeting with prospective clients and nurturing people through the pipeline. It could mean 10 hours where you could actually read some of those books that would help you to, to either, you know, just for fun or those books that you've been meaning to read that have valuable information to help you to grow as a professional.</p>
<p>It could mean that you have 10 hours to start that physical fitness program. I mean, that's a lot of time and it is within our reach. There is an investment of both time and a little bit of money sometimes. But it pays off. And you don't miss it either. You don't miss the investment of time or of money when you get to the other side of it and realize, oh my gosh, I should have done this years ago. It's, you know, bookkeeping is another thing. Why are you doing your books? It's just such an arduous task that you can outsource to a professional who can do your monthly books, have you ready for tax time. All of that takes a lot of weight off of your shoulders. And we're all about relieving burdens. And so you have to stop looking at the pennies in front of you and thinking, you know, “Oh my God, I don't have two extra hours today to go over this stuff.” Or “I don't have three extra hours this week to look at this and oh my gosh, I have to spend how much to do this?” because it's going to save you on the other side of it. So, first of all is shifting your thinking and understanding that you're worth it and that this stuff really has value.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/2iPiVJfCdJ7R8RPTnodzAloUI8FOzyWzZBNergRJGpQr1a9l8zMuOX1FVyhraAASEYpLPem4i9tc__ok_eZHkq4ukHU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=991.91'>16:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And that is key. Think of this as a mindset exercise because our mindset is everything. And it's interesting. I've been in a couple of meetings lately where just in the course of our discussions - and I just speak from the position of I'm a solo. I spend a lot of time by myself here in the office and you work with clients and stuff, but they’re clients, you're doing their work. But when you're in some other circles and not quite sure what my point is, but it just elevates what you do in your mind. Sometimes we can discount what we do just because it comes easy to us because Yeah, yeah, yeah. Whatever, you know, we're just doing our thing, and you don't sometimes feel the effects of what you're doing. So, it is important to have those experiences and you have to free up your time to get there. And experiencing those mindset check-ins, I guess I call them that because it's so important and, and valuable to you as a person and as a professional and realize, oh yeah, okay, this is, this does matter. And yeah. Okay. This is good.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ig1d8SABS5XihcWHSWlk9MDsBqp-abVMTCx2MLXdRP_w7ngXfXH6L8HkuYpIy-sgMmCJ8wujQOhGVDXoDh465lHQRcA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1071.03'>17:51</a>):</p>
<p>I'll say it this way. You know, one of the best things that you can do for your business is to really fully embrace that you are a business owner. That you're not just a worker bee. And so when I hear people say, “Oh, I just go in a Canva and do my visual content, or I just do this, I just go here and I do the,” you're doing a lot, but if you were the CEO of a Fortune 100 company, would you be popping into Canda and creating your own images or would you be delegating that to someone else? So you have to really stop yourself and think, just because I can doesn't mean I have to. And the more that you embrace that role that you are a business owner, and that does not mean that sometimes you're not doing some of the things.</p>
<p>It's great that we know that sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. There's the labor shortage. Sometimes you can't find people. You need to understand the parts of your business, but you're a business owner. And the more you act like it, the more that your customers treat you like that, the more that you grow up in how you price your services Yeah. And how you take control of your business and how you start to increase your confidence about what you're doing. But as long as you hold yourself down in that worker bee position, you don't realize that it's impacting other areas of your business. So I love Canva, but I have somebody else use Canva. I love all these tools, but I'm not doing all of those things because everything is not mission critical for me personally to do. And again, we PR types are such control freaks that we hate to like, you know, it's like you pride this out of my cold dead hands. We have to let go. And we have to understand that even with training, people are not going to do things exactly the way that you do it, but the way that you judge it isn't effective. Does it get the job done? Are my clients happy?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_7plFtdWyJu7mdInJArwtFq_MPXru4X69ogfO9gQCYIvlvZwsQ1VPCBy-opLVlJMCnNxiGG-9T89Cx8GZ39fEwfgWG0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1196.34'>19:56</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8ArAKNhcnZLN7ebCX49Mt_iehcESXDS2tSoT90j5od6df3RBJP1vTUwKoVtaZt-toR_vo8AtDc8b8r7SSEgaeeTvBc4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1197.48'>19:57</a>):</p>
<p>Is it producing the outcome that's desired? If it is, let it go. They may not do things the same way as you do, I promise you they will not. It's okay because you didn't have to touch it. And so that's your goal is to find those things that, you know what? I didn't have to touch it. It happened, it worked. It's great. Let it go.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tW7oaAZse5sB6_tnT2LfHPpmTVLuq2leRLnstR7lENPifmFMikACrnNkrFl5qFKoldLHmP5bMxIeYTqr3eN5J8SijSE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1218.15'>20:18</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And all the more reason to have things like brand guidelines at the ready as you train the people, if they, they know the colorways and the fonts to use, and here are all the assets, it's less likely to go off the rails. So we can get our control in that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Jdtt3VowrVN3-lmhRrF2N7VPlN2rc_6WJrh6_7_KOx_Nqd7K_fj18cJ69i6xIe7lmmVWHQtMRuf_J4_b-jXtnOqRxiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1235.15'>20:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We've talked about this before. One of the benefits of starting to delegate things in your business is that you also now start to have this documentation around your business, your process, your workflows. So in the event that you do need to take off for a period of time, and maybe you need to have another solo come in and cover for a time, maybe it's maternity leave, maybe it's paternity leave, maybe it's caregiving that is taking you away. Maybe it's a vacation. For any number of reasons, you may need to take a, a lesser role in your own business. You have documentation that makes it much easier to bring somebody alongside of you into the business. Or maybe at some point you just want to expand and you want to team up with another solo, or two or three or four or 10. You have processes. And so it makes it easier to slice and dice the work and to share with people how your business works, because you've already started this process.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3NTHhUIBJJZP4EJRxFJ9PUjgPOvlmxmaxV6E25sOyX5ZXSaihEoosSpcZsXa7pHrWgvlY7ku-D_PkqhVSPN4SKYdwO4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1293.58'>21:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Systems make the world go around. They're beautiful things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HHNMl-JzOxzBseChD7LRQvTBWjdVukX6tO-Tma3gUAIygWG2curo69lGf14OyODyvVOaguWTTl4NFT7nFGUap_enEmI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1298.26'>21:38</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, that documentation is another thing that you can delegate .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_e1EVG07_5rZllXBiHS7Uy5hUglqFdV6OiQ5ol2u6WUU-J60wYcKD6jXwS5Hlnnot9sM22tCfuKv1hJeTtsFq4F__rQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1308.1'>21:48</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, it's like anything, the more you do it, the easier it becomes. So we hope that this little pep talk to you and maybe to ourselves a little bit has been helpful. And if you do find this content valuable, please share it around with your friends and your colleagues on your own, all your socials. We would really appreciate that. And we do appreciate you giving us part of your busy day and listening to That Solo Life. And until next time, thank you for listening.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Let it go. No, we’re not going to sing that song. We are talking about all the ways solo PR pros can delegate to people and tools so we can grow our businesses and free up time in our schedules while still delivering for our clients.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for that Solo life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. Here we are, another day, another episode. How are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
I am good, thank you. I, you know, it's funny for listeners who will later see the video, I feel like I am took myself back to 1970 for some reason today, like I'm wearing a headset over my head today and have this purple thing on the back of my chair, because it's freezing in my office, . And so, yeah, I'm good.
Michelle Kane (00:43):
All good. It's all good.
Karen Swim, APR (00:44):
Karen Swim, hippie. Karen Swim, coming to you from 1972,  .
Michelle Kane (00:50):
I'll send in my radio request later. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm excited about our topic today because it's something that really helps us through our day today, and the theme of the day is - let it go - and no, we don't mean just run away from your desk and never come back.
 
Karen Swim, APR
Are you sure?
 
Michelle Kane
Well, it has been that kind of week so far, but I'm going to grit my teeth and get through. It's about delegation. What can we delegate? Because how else can we grow our business? You know, we only have a finite amount of time and energy, and of course we solos have a whole lot of get up and go and, ooh, let's do all the things. So how do we marry those two ideas to achieve the most success? We're just going to touch on some points of things you can do.
Karen Swim, APR (01:49):
I feel like this topic comes up quite a bit, what are the practical ways that I can relieve some of my load and gain back time so that I have the opportunity to work on the business and the opportunity to do more strategic work for my clients? And so I'm looking forward to chatting about this today and offering up some, some practical tips, some things that you can think about.
Michelle Kane (02:20):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I mean, one of those is certainly your content creation, right? You don't need to write every single piece of everything you do there. There is low hanging fruit that you can hand off, or even dare I say ChatGPT, if it's an event release, something so simple that you could do in your sleep. Well, pop those facts in, massage it up and, you know, let it go. Or, even work with others. I know my local school district has a program called Pathways 360, where they encourage you to take on a mentee. So that's a great way to get help as well. Look around you and see what opportunities there are to mentor someone and also get a little help for yourself too.
Karen Swim, APR (03:10):
I completely agree and realizing, we should have set this up top, but as you delegate things to other people, you will have to realize that there will be a period of time where you will need to train people on what you want. So it's really important to, for example, if you're going to outsource writing, I think content creation is a fabulous thing to outsource and outsourcing it in a way that you can truly optimize it. For example, if you, for your own agency, write a blog, or maybe you're doing blog posts for clients, that is something that you personally don't have to write. But oftentimes we want to take that content and we want to get the most out of it by repurposing it. So maybe you have a byline opportunity and you want to take that byline and you wiant to pitch it again by slightly tweaking it, outsource all of that at one time. If you're chopping it up into social media posts, that's something else that you could do all at once. Make sure that you clearly communicate needs in a written brief or some type of docum]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>One of our roles as PR practitioners is working with in-house marketing teams. Today’s episode was inspired by a recent article by Agility PR, <a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>33 Comms Issues Keeping CMOs and Brand Managers Up at Night</a>. Join us as we talk about their current pain points and how we can be a valued resource.</p>
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<p>Read the article:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z78s3nNucrqnZdU_judbBvKn4KS5Zc-Hc_nyno0r5QbSHTzr7ZbxCOgBZ9L6OBYhskyR0IRNhg5Xa3tya8yU7hph3eI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.52'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SVeUAfYFQvkiPDFaXEdIkVNzggBNhe1pJ6amWd7oLWSh2TlpdrUCefLv6bHW-t6nwS4YkihOtx9UkDA_TW3SOBeijQY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.1'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing so well, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VS4wwttaG6etR6whdG2hN759F7P7l3FmwPUQC3v02Jnq-3YvnEElTPvyeLag-9SGi_JIO1DxBIhC_rfACZEjkO9112A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=23.14'>00:23</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing pretty well. We're dealing with the haze from the fires in Quebec. Thanks, Canada. We know you love us. So it's, a Roseanne Roseannadanna world. It's always something. So we just gotta get through it. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/egL0GlaIx1v92XmnLWLKaEe-2gGe1BrZGc4GZGcwQ83bjV2bKECY0h-vuO6Kv8M4XOT0pLZMo3BSmHuSE8iJeIubCMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.35'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We are also under air quality alert here, Michigan. So if you're listening to us, by the time this podcast drops, we hope that your air is nice and clean and clear wherever you are. You're not under temperatures that are either they're scorching or too cold, and you're having a fabulous start of your summer. Even though it's not summer yet, everybody has sort of resigned themselves to the fact that we're here. So, yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kr_svtiHI7cxaAoSADOfQXGgiFZbw4HSWXrQ--YbY1eLBYkTfAIKOFxD185loGeM3-2fKctKR96IiFMO-oSsc7sLgbE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.86'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Please go outside and take a big breath for us, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R1EXuQhVoDfEAOXiZmTyv5GmwJmDjYMOcNMMLZygxalQbe9g8IQ6LAftd7NdNBjaUAoeGV7s8AtZd-YY2DhgIow0UWc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=74.07'>01:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, please do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_TLMg7bYZOz4SmNxSOfkX0ZxoD1tD93tQ6djuDXpawOVHUY8OhJ2MYis9JibLsCNZk1vewHo_wuj2ahgV-DjMUIfKiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=76.11'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Well, speaking of nightmarish conditions, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yZUlJi8QgKvTvY3wGPAAtQoTOLk6k-7Ey_njQN9onvDrHUGizw5JlV3pb34ETn20vIccVjJrd1Ou5dXYwJH_8hVuzio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=80.13'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>Uhhuh, nice segue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hGpmZig60YwGiJU6obfuvIdRRAu0RX1Tke3AIXqUkIFwplXhuQ9s7mtZ8ynHrr31TsfpdIDdBnN69oLr-laW29nc5AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=81.48'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. We decided to take on this topic today of things that make us lose sleep, things that might cause us to worry just things in the industry that may be real or manufactured in our minds. Talking about what's going on out there in the PR world and the communications world in general. I mean, we do touch on these things all the time, quite frankly, because we're here to keep you as sharp as possible. But we thought let's focus on some of our fears. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1acsuqpWy6WrF1taIt66lIUM9E_Iq3zTwYUJqC4uARVWsYBC9zBDJEnRVbxyRsNX0CDe28tyAVgzc3zgOpFce6BoNcU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=119.13'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love this. And this episode was inspired by a piece that Agility PR wrote, shout out to Agility. Hey, y'all. And<a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>, the title of the article, which we will link in the show notes, is 33 Issues Keeping, who's It Keeping Up Tonight?</a> I forget</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j-yDtwHch24SnQzTiV1_TbYS-IxOfJ1lXhPWfvewGTci005m4mR_rB61goFoNkIbRSEcol20lRYkh5L6kYxHpQh2ous?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=142.2'>02:22</a>):</p>
<p>All of Us</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E3LK1dnF44CzwdArUvBjfPe8J86ym16kbs_tYB0-xlLIOtMEOBMV5bzqdmWYOnaXtGot8-o-B5cDzV6XaP82LaoI1rc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=145.32'>02:25</a>):</p>
<p>Keeping CMOs and Brand Managers up at night. So it was a really interesting look at, you know, several things, and I always like to know from the marketing side of the house, the pure marketing side of the house, and also from the brand side, what's troubling people, because often in our role as outsourced PR agency, the CMO is actually one of our primary contacts, and we work closely with the marketing team. So I found it really interesting and very on point to what others are seeing as well. So let's dive in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T7Zk4E51ncddvq8WlFLGAXYx5-dReoF3gzwGx_ZMqUWMe_b14PDVAbmuIrNUCy2H-aAgUUggM3dwNJlYbPYn8rkhuPg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=188.05'>03:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. One, thing that jumped out of me was a, collection of four or five of the issues all, at least in my mind, speaking to what is sort of an attention deficit disorder that's happening out there. Yeah. many of the things keeping these CMOs up at night is, you know, optimizing the client experience, keeping customers engaged, aligning your brand with the consumer experience. And, really this just reinforced what I and many of my colleagues are experiencing, even when you're trying to either reintroduce programming that had been put on pause or that had been put online during the pandemic in-person events. And I think we're well past issues of participation in in-person events being because of fear of getting covid. But we're still all trying to put our finger on, well, how do we get everyone back? And we're coming to the realization of it's not just like turning the switch on and droves of people will return.</p>
<p>I have seen this literally across the board. Chambers, I have a friend who is displaying her photography, so she's having like a gallery event and its, you know, response has been underwhelming, even though before it would've been amazing. Now, I think one of the main drivers of that is really we have realigned ourselves of not running from thing to thing to thing. We, just aren't doing that to ourselves anymore, even though they might all be fantastic choices, but as a marketer, how do we reset those expectations? How do we handle that? How do we move forward while still serving our clients fun.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cHMDI_Kz3cN0ROPXlqT7SPmdtuWJmyLY7gI_9sClHl41-D77oYJO8DNefqbCSGpwkQHRkyZQeaYwUN-2lYLryiQBQQ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=303.88'>05:03</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's also interesting that you bring that out because this article talked about, you know, being post Covid and, and you're right across industries while we are no longer in the heat of the pandemic and some of the protocols and things that prohibited us from doing things, we're still trying to figure out what normal is. And, and yeah. And everyone's trying to figure out how to do their jobs because consumer behaviors have shifted. But now the question is, well, we know that there were some shifts because of the pandemic, but we went from thing to thing to thing. You know, we went from, you know, pandemic thing to political thing to social justice thing to economic thing. And it's really hard to determine like, okay, what's the underlying issue? Because if you understand the issue, you can often then you can address it. But I'm not, I'm honestly not sure at this point. I believe that it's a combination of things. I think habits definitely change. I think our muscles are we're still learning to rebuild our muscles for socializing and gathering, and we're choosing, we're choosing fewer things, as you said, but then there's also the budgetary issues. Yeah. You know, look, everything is really expensive, and so people are being more discerning with their dollars and because they just are not going as far.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/o9JjClgNbHltpdvjhoFhF5cFqO7UOauBAktBrw2D6zP2xX-k9fCbUMB2o1my_pPMlTrct2DQPy3XGDOBnyrgiGqcCao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=400.16'>06:40</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. That's true too. I, and I think it's, it's like you said, it's all of those things. And the frustrating part as a PR professional and a marketer is you feel so helpless because we are so used to nailing what the problem is and swooping in with three ideas to make it work, and Yeah. You know, I, I find that sometimes, even with, you know, a friend of mine that I help out, I'm just like, I wish I could have a hard and fast answer for you, and I don't, and that makes me feel terrible. So we're here today to tell you, don't feel terrible, because it is still, it is definitely something that is coming together now because I've never wanted to stay in downerville I'm going to flip that into, it creates opportunities for us, you know, to do things differently or, or just really re reevaluate things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p2WxzvDve5ABLddoY_51hW3WHBbGnVnXnCpFPQxladzBnOIrzP_zj6FtqYJskbOUBv5Zc95CiGNKBcq2kv0S_nZSaY4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=453.05'>07:33</a>):</p>
<p>I think reevaluate unleash your creativity. But, but here's the most important thing that has not changed. You really have to serve your audience and go to the, Solo PR Pro blog and read our blog posts from yesterday because this, this leans directly into that. You have to really give people a story and make them feel and see themselves as part of this event. You have to make it more than just, Hey, here's a writing conference. Oh, here is a media relations workshop. There has to be more to that. So it's, yeah. It's, it's in how you tell the story around those events, around those things that you're, you're trying to get people engaged around. And, and I think that this is a great opportunity to hone our storytelling skills and understand that we have to tell powerful stories in order to get people to care.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhuWLiOCtMGBBcuD5um7Rlf7xcZPn1sJiG4Hhzf4a5KKVHfAf6Ad4rLgKV-tF2RKLk5wn3ScP7atkQ2g5Hk3Q_Lcxv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=514.04'>08:34</a>):</p>
<p>Then we have to clearly articulate the actions that we want them to take. Quite frankly, I'll just speak for myself. There have been so many in-person events, and sometimes the subject matter captivates me, but then I'm not really moved by the way that they're telling the story about the content. I don't, this really benefiting me, and I don't see it benefiting me in a way that makes me want to put down dollars. Right. The conferences are not cheap. And with everything having gone up, I too am watching my dollars and being, you know, very conscious about how I'm spending and the stories are not grabbing me. So, as an industry, if we're not telling stories that resonate with other PR professionals, how is that translating into the work that we do for our client audiences or for our company audiences?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFsT4hOHXOqm-IJs7rS708rx4Fl7Wxb5EesZAQ3fJO9vU5O4GpRnTaCrGf6X15H31DFJRXv1NJEtDlh8CPkqsaoOz9o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=570.71'>09:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think you, you nailed it right there. I mean, people have to see themselves in the narrative that you're putting, in front of them that way. It's, all part of the content experience, right? It's what we preach every day. You know, establishing your know, like, and trust. You need to make sure that the person that you are trying to do business with is going to get on board at that level of, oh, yeah, you know what? That's me. I really, I really need to do this, and, and I know I'm going to get something out of it as opposed to come to my thing. You know what to do. It's, it's, it's like the, it's like the old school answering machine  messages, right? Hi, here's my phone. You know what to do. Well, no, no. We really need to hone in on the whole customer experience when they engage with whatever we put out there, content initiatives, events.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a7q03P7wLmdjSbfvVJxupRfxXv-9mD129BS_kfFwhB_tnjZT3zXwO1-w1vfa_9jeEypdrjGQt62tVK8q4K05_mL2cpA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=626.57'>10:26</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. I mean, I see a lot of dry, boring facts or, you know, it's, you know, come because this fantastic speaker. Yeah. Okay, well, that person might be famous to somebody else, but not to me. I don't even know who that is. So </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qC_p-K04tLXpB6pS6gTZCbUXDoRbf02vi69U4SlvYKXu4EiI5erCRoZ2jwQhOWvyzg9GG59ubfjNKmeuVpF80FJyU7s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=643.42'>10:43</a>):</p>
<p>Or, you know, I can find 'em on YouTube, right. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YeipRWeh9Xe9Mgt4vFkn0Abz6uStpYZ7zFqj3VMalppvKD9XZmmLY6-x0UkJK2U29yGx7T5Co5te9PodnBZOxxUIRGE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=645.9'>10:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Like, that's not exactly enough for me. I need, you know, and so yeah. It, it is an opportunity for us to tell stronger, more powerful stories. One of the other things that jumped out at me from this list, there are a couple things. One is that ROI was at the top of the list. Yeah. we don't even need to go into this in detail because we've talked about it ad nauseum on this podcast. There is a critical need. So I want that to really sink in today. If CMOs are up at night, because they need to show ROI simultaneously, they're worried about budgets, and of course they're worried about layoffs because all of this trickles downhill. If you cannot demonstrate roi, your budgets get cut, your budgets get cut, and then you're still forced to show ROI. You're going to have to start making harder decisions.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S8LcHn2IsCgI4MDeBFdEm-lSZQThqxOlUfxlx-HYi32pozPAMba2QNnjTApmwMHmVQ4_jLtAPswi-DIH2B09k13y_cM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=704.58'>11:44</a>):</p>
<p>And this is happening in every industry. Right now. We're seeing marketing budgets being cut. We know that marketing budgets are always the first to get cut. They're always the first to get cut, because CEOs do not see the ROI. Now, if they saw marketing as a sales driver, and they could make that connection that this spend is actually driving in business, and rather than cutting it right now, as we're trying to drive to the bottom line, we need to increase it. Mm-Hmm. , clearly we're not doing a good enough job at demonstrating that line. And as outsourced PR people, again, if you're not comfortable with ROI please learn. There's so many resources to help you to get better at reporting metrics and showing your value. And we can no longer say, well, you know, these things take time. Well, you know, there's not always a direct line. You have to align with what your clients care about most. And today, that's money. And, and guess what? It was, it was money 10 years ago. It was money 30 years ago. Because no one wants to spend, if they're not seeing a financial benefit, they have to see the financial benefit in their decisions. And so it's up to us to make sure that we make those connections.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uwR3WpByCMUO4dcpmtfMRcyP01ntSy7FsuWOwfEBkGJXu2JLmWORkxnvnY0XXWOTwIFrn7S_wUNV8simU4uBgklIhqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=787.99'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Even more importantly, because we know that their first instinct to cut is the last thing you should do, because how else are people gonna know about you? But okay, CEOs,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tNJouf0PY4tmcPzL8OY12WIbozBZJXBSI85cgSzhNV39Xd9tyd9qnKSUKHYxWvhLlhb-X-Wp7WDGqd2AQiDC08VE1kk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=802.12'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>And, and we know that, but here's, you know, yeah. Just go back to story again, right? Yes. We know that every single marketing, PR, communications professional knows that it, it's the wrong decision to make. But are we telling the right story to the people who hold the pen? Are we, are we making it powerful enough for them? Are we articulating it clearly enough that it's not just something that we all know, it's not inside baseball knowledge, but that it's something that they now know, understand, have internalized, and are working around not making those cuts. Right. And if the answer is no, they don't get it, then we have to point those fingers back at ourself and go, okay, let's roll up our sleeves and figure out how to do a better job of demonstrating this. Because clearly we're not doing that. And, and, I mean, it's happened to me too. It's happened to all of us. And I think we have to hold ourselves accountable. Like, okay, where did I miss it? What information did I not provide and did I not tell the story in the right way?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u7sy8rRpk7HJV_p3oMmHQSXkeNiQuXJTDJJfOFCiWPVSm1VSj6jQ577rYN0x0UOsHVJxO_AwIS1GsvUeYPmh07VGCaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=873.64'>14:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and I mean, that's a huge point that you're making because it comes back to the, another thing that we, we keep saying is, you know, everything communicates. So you're not just storytelling for the brand or for the client. You need to be storytelling to the client as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SyDsxU8a3i4oy7vqpHZFacdxH7zRkP1UjKIf983xEWcKfd09y804SDfeGi6FyIkRAlMalrQ7_GpnBxgF47rBmgCZyB4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=891.95'>14:51</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And storytelling that plays into another thing. So here's something that really jumped out at me on this list. It said that 15% of the nightmares that they've listed in this post had increased this year. Yes. And number two on the list was aligning brand and consumer expectations. And so I found that incredibly interesting because I was just reading a piece that talked about how brands are really struggling. So consumers, you know, we went through this, you know, the pandemic and all of the things that happened, and consumers had a heightened demand for brands being corporate citizens. They wanted brands to be active in, issues in national issues. They wanted them to speak out about policies, they wanted them to speak out about social justice. The tide has turned a little bit in that we're here in the United States, and you know, I'm sure this is true in other countries because every country has had their political turmoil of late.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9n_JnX_EsGMe4QNGq7ZdqjsoYYP6s-V5W468aDyTCMVa3WY0bgvxfkoNKflvOpnQ4sDhY-tDVQ2-Y_an_o5k86GhnD0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=967.01'>16:07</a>):</p>
<p>There is this turning of the tide where the divisions are so deep and where issues have become so weaponized that no matter what a brand does, they're going to make someone unhappy. Yeah. And so we've seen this with Bud Light. We've seen it with Target, we've seen it, we've just seen it across the board where, you know, even libraries, which used to be in my mind, a center of neutrality have become a lightning rod. And so it's really difficult. So, you know, you're c of a company and you want to stay true to your company mission, vision, and values. You want to stay true to your audience and be supportive of your audience. You want to be a good corporate citizen. But if you speak up about things, then you risk, like, Bud light, they said, you know, there was a quote that said they're taking a permanent 15% haircut.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BfhI6ylj0TC9pRn_emgPGk-rbG15PF6aSQ_4khTZGQVT0pi4M6qn4yh8PXnR0JOdt_NULdHBcJLXR4ejZtpzilXhk08?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1024.22'>17:04</a>):</p>
<p>They're, those people are gone. They're not coming back. You may as well lower your expectations to meet the new reality. So this is true of companies. And so if you're a brand, you know, they would rather stay out of this. Trust me. They would rather just stay out of this and, and let the people have their say and just keep doing their thing and serving all of their customers with, with the things that they have to offer. But the audience is not allowing that, except the audience is so polarized. Right. That were almost a no win situation. And we PR people this, this hits us squarely in our wheelhouse because Sure does. Finding that crisis management, we are exercising those muscles like never before. I mean, yep. We are ripped in the crisis muscles,  muscle department. I wish my abs were as ripped as my crisis muscle</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u9U44173-mIecsnNn4x3wlN_AO4hJAxUfr2zhBQWmgSoSLhuxGnwZC-IC0mcjP8HMj_Pbb7ZzbnTEJ3TvtHRWaSqKNg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1082.62'>18:02</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, if only that would work. Oh my goodness. That would be wonderful. Cause</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Ii2FBXeUARl0cVjKyPgbKSDtK30bWpmP6KRy1YZgd7_N8f78mjC8ctqeWnwFexj4yeEUMfahz8TYGO58TSzFxLN4qQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1089.59'>18:09</a>):</p>
<p>We're really having to be so sharp, and we're having to question everything, and we're having to prepare brands that even when we have done all of the right things, even when we, we are 100% on the side of Right. Someone will be mad. Someone will be mad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6SHFsRsBLBtpHl7qPn70TKYQ59-StngnjbAwWeRbwqP76daQhEf7bDw-Sh3_6SCjb_zkRb4nwO9LclDY7MThE3-14pM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1107.69'>18:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, and it can be very exhausting because it, it even comes down to even social media posts of do we say anything about this? Do we say, you know, do we just wish anyone anything? And Oh my gosh. And you know, I believe that at the crux of it all, truth still matters. Truth should still be our paramount core value. And from there, you need to work with your clients or help your clients navigate. Okay. What are these hills worth dying on, so to speak? You know, it's, with, with beer, it's a different question with libraries, a completely different question. I know I've shared with Karen, I'm working with our local library now, and it's just, the onslaught is maddening. And, you know, I guess to our advantage, it's not really based in truth, but it's still a brush fire that we have to deal with's.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W70mTB2R5Rx0Hs6c37THXN6BO5Nhke3135VF78U8YLT3AMSsskkjpm1WDJudkzFSyhxAa71byASDLpraDS_wj7WQg7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1167.63'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>You know, honestly, every brand should have a matrix of the issues. Yes. And when they're going to respond. One of the things that drives me crazy are things like, happy Memorial Day. Well, you don't say Happy Memorial Day. Cause Memorial Day is honoring fallen soldiers. It's actually a very solemn Right. Very serious holiday. I get it. You know, in America, if, if there's a holiday, we're going to have a cookout. We're going to w party. Except it really isn't a party type of holiday. No. I don't care how you spend it, you know, that's fine. Like, Americans are gonna do what we're gonna do. Hey, we got a day off, we are going to celebrate it. But in the way that you communicate to your audience should be appropriate. And brands are super guilty of this. How many companies have Memorial Day sales? Why are you having a Memorial Day sale Right. On a somber Holiday. Right. And, and by the way, how hypocritical are we? Other countries look at us and they're like, we don't understand America. You guys flyflags all the time, and your military people wear hats that, that have this stuff on it. And we're not even allowed to wear uniforms in public. And we never do this except for, except for on designated holidays. Right.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BTDajC9raao9zfz_Q6nQ2F0DFPid2ZPp5IeEjrxM4V2tx5tMzM1mB5TeOD-bP6HBVt93oJza_JF7cLOcqQj-hJXpfwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1249.72'>20:49</a>):</p>
<p>America, the patriotic country that flies flags all the time. And our military people walk around and we're thanking everybody for their service everywhere we go, me include it. Mm-Hmm.  on the holidays that actually matter. , we don't spend them doing the things that they were meant to. How many of you are going to Veterans celebrations and really honoring our military? Right. Or shopping the Veteran's Day sales on Memorial Day. We're out here saying, happy Memorial Day. Well, what's happy about a bunch of people who died for our country? So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7xKkUG03kw98UFW8cKNxxskE6fem_5pmyArp3B5pBqxZrM288LPC7MKgkdgn4OSXYWL61REPMveYEDhe1zL5W1vOcqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1280.63'>21:20</a>):</p>
<p>, I know. It's, we're, we're, we're a little special  as a culture,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S0QS9nhEp-qCr0w8g2HqFXhMtbe4sORa9iymPh2_RYossrTaR-rAv0s8j3YeczxxuNymeADtVWnsyJOhs0Qz8qAAgLI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1288.27'>21:28</a>):</p>
<p>You know, I mean, we're out there, you know, I see companies now that have turned their logosnto the pride colors. But</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EHfjseW1TddA--YY16rviCJNVcvIaH0iWOoIbn4_CYbGAHZajGM0rl8OCR0CuJ0KVYtq9ycElbk3kNPtnMhZ4NAE0Io?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1296.85'>21:36</a>):</p>
<p>Where are you the other months of the year?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s0UoDRL6RKW4QhQ8tw3yNU8meEaVIXD9-OxARLdo7-aVESA-3B9Zfotdl7WOhvUPQcYE5seveQuAksCY6SSmrAjdbaQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1298.8'>21:38</a>):</p>
<p>Where are you the other months of the year? Yeah. What does your company really look like? You're celebrating every month, you know, native American Month, you're celebrating AAPI month, you're celebrating Black History Month, but you're a company that has zero diversity, like none. Right. Right. And so we have to, we have to exercise sanity in terms of our communication, and we have to be authentic. Right. And if you are not doing these things, then</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EomSOiniykBBvAvnVimtBGKilG4B7X5ExdoHOlRwWURksRsXX9hs_nI3jHpBKHAepNH6xmuvxsPwAFB4w6fXoBwhlVs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1330.03'>22:10</a>):</p>
<p>Don't participate</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z8sRlDJlIzpOeZDS0ILYdZ5cNKG1pq4UBVUwKtzLLHBiT4nHXPMwP-P1Q04oFzAvpNMzIik2NKhPDQ1wpefYXAo2oKs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1331.35'>22:11</a>):</p>
<p>These prompts in these months to take action rather than just join the club and turn your logo a different color it. Right. It, it's just disingenuous. It's not Okay, don't do that. We know that PR pros know these things. And so our message to PR pros is stick to giving wise counsel. Do not be afraid to stand up to clients and always provide the right advice, because we know that, you know, that these things are absolutely insane. But you have to, again, this is communication. You have to communicate this to your clients, and you have to be willing to stand behind that and tell the stories that they understand why you can't just do these things. Why you can't be copycatting what everybody else is doing. I mean, I, I'm looking at all of the stuff and I'm like, wow, this is really fascinating. Mm-Hmm.  and so not aligned with who you are as a company, but okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhSgFmWdVkz0z3DKXOLipieudwhw7wZF0Go_0tjD4SqhWXQIZMN0bZO8cmf9txC4RC0G_OyFwNdEMgZsRstn5fgzGc8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1399.27'>23:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, that's the main thing, right? You want to make sure that your clients know who they are, they know their identity, they know their, their ethos, they know their why. And, just work with that. Just, you know, and, and it's okay. I mean, if you don't jump on all the bandwagons, it doesn't mean you're not supportive of those issues. Yeah. And in fact, in many ways, it makes me feel like you're less exp exploitative of it. Right. if the, the, you know, walk your talk, if you do that every day, 365 days a year, you'll be much better off. You'll be more trusted. I'm not saying that all the companies that jump on the bandwagons are disingenuous, but you, you guys know what we mean, . It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ultdE021GHhpYRJVHYN8PlCiOofoW_rnY3vq3v1rkVHp0OES0mqw7hgsUMO1UjHfkg1oKffwXyb54izt6C4gOueHPfw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1448.84'>24:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RyVnSwFzGsxhc5hgQqGOpP1VBmX0RAK1m1ubaOdP3Mwg7V2ZD1QYV_VpR2AjBK5Bb-wHBnMsUZWEYsg275I6NGNHIQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1449.27'>24:09</a>):</p>
<p>It's just so much better if you're just authentic every day of if someone can look at your, your client's brand and say, I know, you know, most of the time they're good people. I know they try. At least I know they're trying, they're trying to do the right thing by me and by their employees. So, you know, working from that angle, I hate to call it an angle, but working from that position yes. I think will serve you best. And of course, serve your clients best.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Xw1VCINoFpZ8p46dXfvN-AqxkOCx8QQPhuzO_bqH_GTwVPD12bubBmL1TbDNm6bDCl6YnOcTuV5Xo6ZFLfsWuJ6_ZT0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1478.87'>24:38</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree with you. That is such a good point. And so, yeah. You know, it's, when I read through this list of issues, and as we've talked through this today and, and we barely, you know, obviously there were 33, we could go deep on any one of these 33. Yeah. It's, you know, it reminds me why public relations always ends up on the list of most stressful jobs,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KLgSwpSr9NDRgcOCAhSbvyC975L_JuxuTl6Tr-fF8LK4DaOmP4QAfkDj-j7O80RqG9AFCGJMUFwanqVizsLU3dBcXxs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1504.46'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z_12exhsZRz33vO-omSo20vtSA9BYbBpU-qcr3gqczJKLhnL8pJtsvjZwR6CDSPtkdXTADBVQFipe3hmgqPJC8PMv-k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1504.84'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>. And we want you to know that we see you, we care for you 365 days a year. We do, we do. Whether or not we're recording that, we have your back. And we understand that it's really tough. And so we want you not to be awake at night worrying about these issues. We want you to look at these lists and we want you to just sit down, you know, take some notes, reflect on your practices, because our goal is to always learn how to manage things better. And we should all do great work. Be proud of the work that we do. Be proud of where you are today, even as you strive to grow. Tomorrow, you know, every day is a chance to do better than you did the day before, but we want you to also, at the end of a good day, we want you to just lay your head down at night and sleep and not have night terrrors or not be stressed out and, and not be, you know, popping in acids because your clients have you in such angst. This work is tough. Yeah. And it's complex, but it's also rewarding. And it can be very fun. And you should feel good about the job that you're doing and not lay awake at night. Leave that to the CMOs. If, if they want to not sleep at night and have night terrors more power to you,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XUbYTqfEQzifX8Qig_oGL_kD-16hi4msqVaZroSzun7P515yf4VUd0ugVtTsffdBFpPfXmt0XE06xBK5McF353_btoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1583.9'>26:23</a>):</p>
<p>Let 'em,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TKVMzU0DjXB_kza-dyKAs7wycHZIcwiS40PaZ64a1Tow1NNFBCqOXhfkhVr2-GjWXPJKnQUntz072Ll9Vq8X9cn3dmg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1584.65'>26:24</a>):</p>
<p>My job is to try and help you not to have that experience. I'm gonna do my part. I can't control everything, but when I'm working with you, my job is let's all get a good night's sleep. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HIsdAk1ainLYN5yWWGMzsyYyIzU8mO_3YtJgjKmL2e02f2H_N6-UhL6pkxdKufuh3Nr2nDO7aDpjvd3xAi1xlxc2dug?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1596.56'>26:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, so true. Because, you know, I know as you and I have joked off, off air, it's like, yeah, when I actually get good sleep, it's amazing how much better I feel. Oh, it's all about the sleep. Oh. And, I know how hard it is sometimes to put those thoughts down and put them away, but what I tell myself is, there is nothing I can do about X, Y, or Z in the next six to eight hours. So I'm just going to put it in a little box and I'm going to sleep.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Oukv1j6GE9nx_SjPMDhztSIG2ns4l1kGqIH5snFZzfzKyKlMyK-Hn_9XaMGwnAwMdVPauGptkUNPyO9HehStIIARGbI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1625.85'>27:05</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, you are so much better equipped to handle all of these issues when you sleep at night. So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rvtqkb-2BkGC6YjKKTvy1yjsck-ejKiZTHLhf6zxcOIeH9IWJBzNugsJCCLIuJjKP0rajqTPd3J9ecd77_zeM-HHcHc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1631.46'>27:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, amen. </p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E7s6Yhhm-qjSx-VZvabjSC7XC9RdhEcYQj36XMVMju_R5y4XGezl9-a3mc4HX3NP6cY0kv5hIgNqjeUYoaNcprjFzZQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1633.71'>27:13</a>):</p>
<p>Issues. Keep you up at night, get a good night's sleep, and you know what, you'll wake up in the morning and you will live another day to tackle them all.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e2dHTbzK8ZBXPRdIbxzOoEsiKE2T_puSdslkvU3szLO7zGLnqU1TYjvjknqfg1dgNeNMpa-qQITQtQ4C1ly11brGKBo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1642.23'>27:22</a>):</p>
<p>That's right. You'll be less likely to freak out on someone, which is always a good thing, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Syoi6i83hm7BGNgKJsxCPdifKOOAaqW0I_PA-SM6G9oRnYaCyjExhoMFx4pvLLMLDQG-_eY0aqSLIpPW2kmyAK6QbFA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1646.99'>27:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. On those days when you haven't slept well or you're just not feeling it, just make sure to protect others around you. It's like, yeah, I'm not peopling today, .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1MCEqdHKjKNJ5ok1KAXomyHSCkutA5_Ma6IDaEwdjOIz24lt0AmDPOGTouZrRfD4MIDEQBwMssz8aJtiNHHrefNO5Bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1661.22'>27:41</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Exactly. Well, we hope we've provided some inspiration or some moments where you can just nod along and go, yeah, that's, that is what we're here for. Andif you're getting value out of us, please share us around tell people to come listen to That Solo Life. And until next time, thanks for listening.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of our roles as PR practitioners is working with in-house marketing teams. Today’s episode was inspired by a recent article by Agility PR, <a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>33 Comms Issues Keeping CMOs and Brand Managers Up at Night</a>. Join us as we talk about their current pain points and how we can be a valued resource.</p>
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<p>Read the article:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z78s3nNucrqnZdU_judbBvKn4KS5Zc-Hc_nyno0r5QbSHTzr7ZbxCOgBZ9L6OBYhskyR0IRNhg5Xa3tya8yU7hph3eI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.52'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SVeUAfYFQvkiPDFaXEdIkVNzggBNhe1pJ6amWd7oLWSh2TlpdrUCefLv6bHW-t6nwS4YkihOtx9UkDA_TW3SOBeijQY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.1'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing so well, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VS4wwttaG6etR6whdG2hN759F7P7l3FmwPUQC3v02Jnq-3YvnEElTPvyeLag-9SGi_JIO1DxBIhC_rfACZEjkO9112A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=23.14'>00:23</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing pretty well. We're dealing with the haze from the fires in Quebec. Thanks, Canada. We know you love us. So it's, a Roseanne Roseannadanna world. It's always something. So we just gotta get through it. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/egL0GlaIx1v92XmnLWLKaEe-2gGe1BrZGc4GZGcwQ83bjV2bKECY0h-vuO6Kv8M4XOT0pLZMo3BSmHuSE8iJeIubCMY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.35'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. We are also under air quality alert here, Michigan. So if you're listening to us, by the time this podcast drops, we hope that your air is nice and clean and clear wherever you are. You're not under temperatures that are either they're scorching or too cold, and you're having a fabulous start of your summer. Even though it's not summer yet, everybody has sort of resigned themselves to the fact that we're here. So, yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kr_svtiHI7cxaAoSADOfQXGgiFZbw4HSWXrQ--YbY1eLBYkTfAIKOFxD185loGeM3-2fKctKR96IiFMO-oSsc7sLgbE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.86'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Please go outside and take a big breath for us, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/R1EXuQhVoDfEAOXiZmTyv5GmwJmDjYMOcNMMLZygxalQbe9g8IQ6LAftd7NdNBjaUAoeGV7s8AtZd-YY2DhgIow0UWc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=74.07'>01:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, please do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_TLMg7bYZOz4SmNxSOfkX0ZxoD1tD93tQ6djuDXpawOVHUY8OhJ2MYis9JibLsCNZk1vewHo_wuj2ahgV-DjMUIfKiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=76.11'>01:16</a>):</p>
<p>Well, speaking of nightmarish conditions, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yZUlJi8QgKvTvY3wGPAAtQoTOLk6k-7Ey_njQN9onvDrHUGizw5JlV3pb34ETn20vIccVjJrd1Ou5dXYwJH_8hVuzio?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=80.13'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>Uhhuh, nice segue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hGpmZig60YwGiJU6obfuvIdRRAu0RX1Tke3AIXqUkIFwplXhuQ9s7mtZ8ynHrr31TsfpdIDdBnN69oLr-laW29nc5AA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=81.48'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you. We decided to take on this topic today of things that make us lose sleep, things that might cause us to worry just things in the industry that may be real or manufactured in our minds. Talking about what's going on out there in the PR world and the communications world in general. I mean, we do touch on these things all the time, quite frankly, because we're here to keep you as sharp as possible. But we thought let's focus on some of our fears. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1acsuqpWy6WrF1taIt66lIUM9E_Iq3zTwYUJqC4uARVWsYBC9zBDJEnRVbxyRsNX0CDe28tyAVgzc3zgOpFce6BoNcU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=119.13'>01:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love this. And this episode was inspired by a piece that Agility PR wrote, shout out to Agility. Hey, y'all. And<a href='https://www.agilitypr.com/pr-news/public-relations/33-comms-issues-keeping-cmos-and-brand-managers-up-at-night/'>, the title of the article, which we will link in the show notes, is 33 Issues Keeping, who's It Keeping Up Tonight?</a> I forget</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/j-yDtwHch24SnQzTiV1_TbYS-IxOfJ1lXhPWfvewGTci005m4mR_rB61goFoNkIbRSEcol20lRYkh5L6kYxHpQh2ous?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=142.2'>02:22</a>):</p>
<p>All of Us</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E3LK1dnF44CzwdArUvBjfPe8J86ym16kbs_tYB0-xlLIOtMEOBMV5bzqdmWYOnaXtGot8-o-B5cDzV6XaP82LaoI1rc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=145.32'>02:25</a>):</p>
<p>Keeping CMOs and Brand Managers up at night. So it was a really interesting look at, you know, several things, and I always like to know from the marketing side of the house, the pure marketing side of the house, and also from the brand side, what's troubling people, because often in our role as outsourced PR agency, the CMO is actually one of our primary contacts, and we work closely with the marketing team. So I found it really interesting and very on point to what others are seeing as well. So let's dive in.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T7Zk4E51ncddvq8WlFLGAXYx5-dReoF3gzwGx_ZMqUWMe_b14PDVAbmuIrNUCy2H-aAgUUggM3dwNJlYbPYn8rkhuPg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=188.05'>03:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, absolutely. One, thing that jumped out of me was a, collection of four or five of the issues all, at least in my mind, speaking to what is sort of an attention deficit disorder that's happening out there. Yeah. many of the things keeping these CMOs up at night is, you know, optimizing the client experience, keeping customers engaged, aligning your brand with the consumer experience. And, really this just reinforced what I and many of my colleagues are experiencing, even when you're trying to either reintroduce programming that had been put on pause or that had been put online during the pandemic in-person events. And I think we're well past issues of participation in in-person events being because of fear of getting covid. But we're still all trying to put our finger on, well, how do we get everyone back? And we're coming to the realization of it's not just like turning the switch on and droves of people will return.</p>
<p>I have seen this literally across the board. Chambers, I have a friend who is displaying her photography, so she's having like a gallery event and its, you know, response has been underwhelming, even though before it would've been amazing. Now, I think one of the main drivers of that is really we have realigned ourselves of not running from thing to thing to thing. We, just aren't doing that to ourselves anymore, even though they might all be fantastic choices, but as a marketer, how do we reset those expectations? How do we handle that? How do we move forward while still serving our clients fun.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cHMDI_Kz3cN0ROPXlqT7SPmdtuWJmyLY7gI_9sClHl41-D77oYJO8DNefqbCSGpwkQHRkyZQeaYwUN-2lYLryiQBQQ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=303.88'>05:03</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's also interesting that you bring that out because this article talked about, you know, being post Covid and, and you're right across industries while we are no longer in the heat of the pandemic and some of the protocols and things that prohibited us from doing things, we're still trying to figure out what normal is. And, and yeah. And everyone's trying to figure out how to do their jobs because consumer behaviors have shifted. But now the question is, well, we know that there were some shifts because of the pandemic, but we went from thing to thing to thing. You know, we went from, you know, pandemic thing to political thing to social justice thing to economic thing. And it's really hard to determine like, okay, what's the underlying issue? Because if you understand the issue, you can often then you can address it. But I'm not, I'm honestly not sure at this point. I believe that it's a combination of things. I think habits definitely change. I think our muscles are we're still learning to rebuild our muscles for socializing and gathering, and we're choosing, we're choosing fewer things, as you said, but then there's also the budgetary issues. Yeah. You know, look, everything is really expensive, and so people are being more discerning with their dollars and because they just are not going as far.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/o9JjClgNbHltpdvjhoFhF5cFqO7UOauBAktBrw2D6zP2xX-k9fCbUMB2o1my_pPMlTrct2DQPy3XGDOBnyrgiGqcCao?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=400.16'>06:40</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. That's true too. I, and I think it's, it's like you said, it's all of those things. And the frustrating part as a PR professional and a marketer is you feel so helpless because we are so used to nailing what the problem is and swooping in with three ideas to make it work, and Yeah. You know, I, I find that sometimes, even with, you know, a friend of mine that I help out, I'm just like, I wish I could have a hard and fast answer for you, and I don't, and that makes me feel terrible. So we're here today to tell you, don't feel terrible, because it is still, it is definitely something that is coming together now because I've never wanted to stay in downerville I'm going to flip that into, it creates opportunities for us, you know, to do things differently or, or just really re reevaluate things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p2WxzvDve5ABLddoY_51hW3WHBbGnVnXnCpFPQxladzBnOIrzP_zj6FtqYJskbOUBv5Zc95CiGNKBcq2kv0S_nZSaY4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=453.05'>07:33</a>):</p>
<p>I think reevaluate unleash your creativity. But, but here's the most important thing that has not changed. You really have to serve your audience and go to the, Solo PR Pro blog and read our blog posts from yesterday because this, this leans directly into that. You have to really give people a story and make them feel and see themselves as part of this event. You have to make it more than just, Hey, here's a writing conference. Oh, here is a media relations workshop. There has to be more to that. So it's, yeah. It's, it's in how you tell the story around those events, around those things that you're, you're trying to get people engaged around. And, and I think that this is a great opportunity to hone our storytelling skills and understand that we have to tell powerful stories in order to get people to care.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhuWLiOCtMGBBcuD5um7Rlf7xcZPn1sJiG4Hhzf4a5KKVHfAf6Ad4rLgKV-tF2RKLk5wn3ScP7atkQ2g5Hk3Q_Lcxv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=514.04'>08:34</a>):</p>
<p>Then we have to clearly articulate the actions that we want them to take. Quite frankly, I'll just speak for myself. There have been so many in-person events, and sometimes the subject matter captivates me, but then I'm not really moved by the way that they're telling the story about the content. I don't, this really benefiting me, and I don't see it benefiting me in a way that makes me want to put down dollars. Right. The conferences are not cheap. And with everything having gone up, I too am watching my dollars and being, you know, very conscious about how I'm spending and the stories are not grabbing me. So, as an industry, if we're not telling stories that resonate with other PR professionals, how is that translating into the work that we do for our client audiences or for our company audiences?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/iFsT4hOHXOqm-IJs7rS708rx4Fl7Wxb5EesZAQ3fJO9vU5O4GpRnTaCrGf6X15H31DFJRXv1NJEtDlh8CPkqsaoOz9o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=570.71'>09:30</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think you, you nailed it right there. I mean, people have to see themselves in the narrative that you're putting, in front of them that way. It's, all part of the content experience, right? It's what we preach every day. You know, establishing your know, like, and trust. You need to make sure that the person that you are trying to do business with is going to get on board at that level of, oh, yeah, you know what? That's me. I really, I really need to do this, and, and I know I'm going to get something out of it as opposed to come to my thing. You know what to do. It's, it's, it's like the, it's like the old school answering machine  messages, right? Hi, here's my phone. You know what to do. Well, no, no. We really need to hone in on the whole customer experience when they engage with whatever we put out there, content initiatives, events.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a7q03P7wLmdjSbfvVJxupRfxXv-9mD129BS_kfFwhB_tnjZT3zXwO1-w1vfa_9jeEypdrjGQt62tVK8q4K05_mL2cpA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=626.57'>10:26</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. I mean, I see a lot of dry, boring facts or, you know, it's, you know, come because this fantastic speaker. Yeah. Okay, well, that person might be famous to somebody else, but not to me. I don't even know who that is. So </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qC_p-K04tLXpB6pS6gTZCbUXDoRbf02vi69U4SlvYKXu4EiI5erCRoZ2jwQhOWvyzg9GG59ubfjNKmeuVpF80FJyU7s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=643.42'>10:43</a>):</p>
<p>Or, you know, I can find 'em on YouTube, right. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YeipRWeh9Xe9Mgt4vFkn0Abz6uStpYZ7zFqj3VMalppvKD9XZmmLY6-x0UkJK2U29yGx7T5Co5te9PodnBZOxxUIRGE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=645.9'>10:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Like, that's not exactly enough for me. I need, you know, and so yeah. It, it is an opportunity for us to tell stronger, more powerful stories. One of the other things that jumped out at me from this list, there are a couple things. One is that ROI was at the top of the list. Yeah. we don't even need to go into this in detail because we've talked about it ad nauseum on this podcast. There is a critical need. So I want that to really sink in today. If CMOs are up at night, because they need to show ROI simultaneously, they're worried about budgets, and of course they're worried about layoffs because all of this trickles downhill. If you cannot demonstrate roi, your budgets get cut, your budgets get cut, and then you're still forced to show ROI. You're going to have to start making harder decisions.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S8LcHn2IsCgI4MDeBFdEm-lSZQThqxOlUfxlx-HYi32pozPAMba2QNnjTApmwMHmVQ4_jLtAPswi-DIH2B09k13y_cM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=704.58'>11:44</a>):</p>
<p>And this is happening in every industry. Right now. We're seeing marketing budgets being cut. We know that marketing budgets are always the first to get cut. They're always the first to get cut, because CEOs do not see the ROI. Now, if they saw marketing as a sales driver, and they could make that connection that this spend is actually driving in business, and rather than cutting it right now, as we're trying to drive to the bottom line, we need to increase it. Mm-Hmm. , clearly we're not doing a good enough job at demonstrating that line. And as outsourced PR people, again, if you're not comfortable with ROI please learn. There's so many resources to help you to get better at reporting metrics and showing your value. And we can no longer say, well, you know, these things take time. Well, you know, there's not always a direct line. You have to align with what your clients care about most. And today, that's money. And, and guess what? It was, it was money 10 years ago. It was money 30 years ago. Because no one wants to spend, if they're not seeing a financial benefit, they have to see the financial benefit in their decisions. And so it's up to us to make sure that we make those connections.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uwR3WpByCMUO4dcpmtfMRcyP01ntSy7FsuWOwfEBkGJXu2JLmWORkxnvnY0XXWOTwIFrn7S_wUNV8simU4uBgklIhqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=787.99'>13:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Even more importantly, because we know that their first instinct to cut is the last thing you should do, because how else are people gonna know about you? But okay, CEOs,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tNJouf0PY4tmcPzL8OY12WIbozBZJXBSI85cgSzhNV39Xd9tyd9qnKSUKHYxWvhLlhb-X-Wp7WDGqd2AQiDC08VE1kk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=802.12'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>And, and we know that, but here's, you know, yeah. Just go back to story again, right? Yes. We know that every single marketing, PR, communications professional knows that it, it's the wrong decision to make. But are we telling the right story to the people who hold the pen? Are we, are we making it powerful enough for them? Are we articulating it clearly enough that it's not just something that we all know, it's not inside baseball knowledge, but that it's something that they now know, understand, have internalized, and are working around not making those cuts. Right. And if the answer is no, they don't get it, then we have to point those fingers back at ourself and go, okay, let's roll up our sleeves and figure out how to do a better job of demonstrating this. Because clearly we're not doing that. And, and, I mean, it's happened to me too. It's happened to all of us. And I think we have to hold ourselves accountable. Like, okay, where did I miss it? What information did I not provide and did I not tell the story in the right way?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u7sy8rRpk7HJV_p3oMmHQSXkeNiQuXJTDJJfOFCiWPVSm1VSj6jQ577rYN0x0UOsHVJxO_AwIS1GsvUeYPmh07VGCaM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=873.64'>14:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and I mean, that's a huge point that you're making because it comes back to the, another thing that we, we keep saying is, you know, everything communicates. So you're not just storytelling for the brand or for the client. You need to be storytelling to the client as well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SyDsxU8a3i4oy7vqpHZFacdxH7zRkP1UjKIf983xEWcKfd09y804SDfeGi6FyIkRAlMalrQ7_GpnBxgF47rBmgCZyB4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=891.95'>14:51</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And storytelling that plays into another thing. So here's something that really jumped out at me on this list. It said that 15% of the nightmares that they've listed in this post had increased this year. Yes. And number two on the list was aligning brand and consumer expectations. And so I found that incredibly interesting because I was just reading a piece that talked about how brands are really struggling. So consumers, you know, we went through this, you know, the pandemic and all of the things that happened, and consumers had a heightened demand for brands being corporate citizens. They wanted brands to be active in, issues in national issues. They wanted them to speak out about policies, they wanted them to speak out about social justice. The tide has turned a little bit in that we're here in the United States, and you know, I'm sure this is true in other countries because every country has had their political turmoil of late.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9n_JnX_EsGMe4QNGq7ZdqjsoYYP6s-V5W468aDyTCMVa3WY0bgvxfkoNKflvOpnQ4sDhY-tDVQ2-Y_an_o5k86GhnD0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=967.01'>16:07</a>):</p>
<p>There is this turning of the tide where the divisions are so deep and where issues have become so weaponized that no matter what a brand does, they're going to make someone unhappy. Yeah. And so we've seen this with Bud Light. We've seen it with Target, we've seen it, we've just seen it across the board where, you know, even libraries, which used to be in my mind, a center of neutrality have become a lightning rod. And so it's really difficult. So, you know, you're c of a company and you want to stay true to your company mission, vision, and values. You want to stay true to your audience and be supportive of your audience. You want to be a good corporate citizen. But if you speak up about things, then you risk, like, Bud light, they said, you know, there was a quote that said they're taking a permanent 15% haircut.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BfhI6ylj0TC9pRn_emgPGk-rbG15PF6aSQ_4khTZGQVT0pi4M6qn4yh8PXnR0JOdt_NULdHBcJLXR4ejZtpzilXhk08?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1024.22'>17:04</a>):</p>
<p>They're, those people are gone. They're not coming back. You may as well lower your expectations to meet the new reality. So this is true of companies. And so if you're a brand, you know, they would rather stay out of this. Trust me. They would rather just stay out of this and, and let the people have their say and just keep doing their thing and serving all of their customers with, with the things that they have to offer. But the audience is not allowing that, except the audience is so polarized. Right. That were almost a no win situation. And we PR people this, this hits us squarely in our wheelhouse because Sure does. Finding that crisis management, we are exercising those muscles like never before. I mean, yep. We are ripped in the crisis muscles,  muscle department. I wish my abs were as ripped as my crisis muscle</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/u9U44173-mIecsnNn4x3wlN_AO4hJAxUfr2zhBQWmgSoSLhuxGnwZC-IC0mcjP8HMj_Pbb7ZzbnTEJ3TvtHRWaSqKNg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1082.62'>18:02</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, if only that would work. Oh my goodness. That would be wonderful. Cause</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Ii2FBXeUARl0cVjKyPgbKSDtK30bWpmP6KRy1YZgd7_N8f78mjC8ctqeWnwFexj4yeEUMfahz8TYGO58TSzFxLN4qQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1089.59'>18:09</a>):</p>
<p>We're really having to be so sharp, and we're having to question everything, and we're having to prepare brands that even when we have done all of the right things, even when we, we are 100% on the side of Right. Someone will be mad. Someone will be mad.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6SHFsRsBLBtpHl7qPn70TKYQ59-StngnjbAwWeRbwqP76daQhEf7bDw-Sh3_6SCjb_zkRb4nwO9LclDY7MThE3-14pM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1107.69'>18:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, and it can be very exhausting because it, it even comes down to even social media posts of do we say anything about this? Do we say, you know, do we just wish anyone anything? And Oh my gosh. And you know, I believe that at the crux of it all, truth still matters. Truth should still be our paramount core value. And from there, you need to work with your clients or help your clients navigate. Okay. What are these hills worth dying on, so to speak? You know, it's, with, with beer, it's a different question with libraries, a completely different question. I know I've shared with Karen, I'm working with our local library now, and it's just, the onslaught is maddening. And, you know, I guess to our advantage, it's not really based in truth, but it's still a brush fire that we have to deal with's.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W70mTB2R5Rx0Hs6c37THXN6BO5Nhke3135VF78U8YLT3AMSsskkjpm1WDJudkzFSyhxAa71byASDLpraDS_wj7WQg7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1167.63'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>You know, honestly, every brand should have a matrix of the issues. Yes. And when they're going to respond. One of the things that drives me crazy are things like, happy Memorial Day. Well, you don't say Happy Memorial Day. Cause Memorial Day is honoring fallen soldiers. It's actually a very solemn Right. Very serious holiday. I get it. You know, in America, if, if there's a holiday, we're going to have a cookout. We're going to w party. Except it really isn't a party type of holiday. No. I don't care how you spend it, you know, that's fine. Like, Americans are gonna do what we're gonna do. Hey, we got a day off, we are going to celebrate it. But in the way that you communicate to your audience should be appropriate. And brands are super guilty of this. How many companies have Memorial Day sales? Why are you having a Memorial Day sale Right. On a somber Holiday. Right. And, and by the way, how hypocritical are we? Other countries look at us and they're like, we don't understand America. You guys flyflags all the time, and your military people wear hats that, that have this stuff on it. And we're not even allowed to wear uniforms in public. And we never do this except for, except for on designated holidays. Right.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BTDajC9raao9zfz_Q6nQ2F0DFPid2ZPp5IeEjrxM4V2tx5tMzM1mB5TeOD-bP6HBVt93oJza_JF7cLOcqQj-hJXpfwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1249.72'>20:49</a>):</p>
<p>America, the patriotic country that flies flags all the time. And our military people walk around and we're thanking everybody for their service everywhere we go, me include it. Mm-Hmm.  on the holidays that actually matter. , we don't spend them doing the things that they were meant to. How many of you are going to Veterans celebrations and really honoring our military? Right. Or shopping the Veteran's Day sales on Memorial Day. We're out here saying, happy Memorial Day. Well, what's happy about a bunch of people who died for our country? So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7xKkUG03kw98UFW8cKNxxskE6fem_5pmyArp3B5pBqxZrM288LPC7MKgkdgn4OSXYWL61REPMveYEDhe1zL5W1vOcqk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1280.63'>21:20</a>):</p>
<p>, I know. It's, we're, we're, we're a little special  as a culture,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/S0QS9nhEp-qCr0w8g2HqFXhMtbe4sORa9iymPh2_RYossrTaR-rAv0s8j3YeczxxuNymeADtVWnsyJOhs0Qz8qAAgLI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1288.27'>21:28</a>):</p>
<p>You know, I mean, we're out there, you know, I see companies now that have turned their logosnto the pride colors. But</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EHfjseW1TddA--YY16rviCJNVcvIaH0iWOoIbn4_CYbGAHZajGM0rl8OCR0CuJ0KVYtq9ycElbk3kNPtnMhZ4NAE0Io?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1296.85'>21:36</a>):</p>
<p>Where are you the other months of the year?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/s0UoDRL6RKW4QhQ8tw3yNU8meEaVIXD9-OxARLdo7-aVESA-3B9Zfotdl7WOhvUPQcYE5seveQuAksCY6SSmrAjdbaQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1298.8'>21:38</a>):</p>
<p>Where are you the other months of the year? Yeah. What does your company really look like? You're celebrating every month, you know, native American Month, you're celebrating AAPI month, you're celebrating Black History Month, but you're a company that has zero diversity, like none. Right. Right. And so we have to, we have to exercise sanity in terms of our communication, and we have to be authentic. Right. And if you are not doing these things, then</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EomSOiniykBBvAvnVimtBGKilG4B7X5ExdoHOlRwWURksRsXX9hs_nI3jHpBKHAepNH6xmuvxsPwAFB4w6fXoBwhlVs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1330.03'>22:10</a>):</p>
<p>Don't participate</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z8sRlDJlIzpOeZDS0ILYdZ5cNKG1pq4UBVUwKtzLLHBiT4nHXPMwP-P1Q04oFzAvpNMzIik2NKhPDQ1wpefYXAo2oKs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1331.35'>22:11</a>):</p>
<p>These prompts in these months to take action rather than just join the club and turn your logo a different color it. Right. It, it's just disingenuous. It's not Okay, don't do that. We know that PR pros know these things. And so our message to PR pros is stick to giving wise counsel. Do not be afraid to stand up to clients and always provide the right advice, because we know that, you know, that these things are absolutely insane. But you have to, again, this is communication. You have to communicate this to your clients, and you have to be willing to stand behind that and tell the stories that they understand why you can't just do these things. Why you can't be copycatting what everybody else is doing. I mean, I, I'm looking at all of the stuff and I'm like, wow, this is really fascinating. Mm-Hmm.  and so not aligned with who you are as a company, but okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hhSgFmWdVkz0z3DKXOLipieudwhw7wZF0Go_0tjD4SqhWXQIZMN0bZO8cmf9txC4RC0G_OyFwNdEMgZsRstn5fgzGc8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1399.27'>23:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, that's the main thing, right? You want to make sure that your clients know who they are, they know their identity, they know their, their ethos, they know their why. And, just work with that. Just, you know, and, and it's okay. I mean, if you don't jump on all the bandwagons, it doesn't mean you're not supportive of those issues. Yeah. And in fact, in many ways, it makes me feel like you're less exp exploitative of it. Right. if the, the, you know, walk your talk, if you do that every day, 365 days a year, you'll be much better off. You'll be more trusted. I'm not saying that all the companies that jump on the bandwagons are disingenuous, but you, you guys know what we mean, . It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ultdE021GHhpYRJVHYN8PlCiOofoW_rnY3vq3v1rkVHp0OES0mqw7hgsUMO1UjHfkg1oKffwXyb54izt6C4gOueHPfw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1448.84'>24:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RyVnSwFzGsxhc5hgQqGOpP1VBmX0RAK1m1ubaOdP3Mwg7V2ZD1QYV_VpR2AjBK5Bb-wHBnMsUZWEYsg275I6NGNHIQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1449.27'>24:09</a>):</p>
<p>It's just so much better if you're just authentic every day of if someone can look at your, your client's brand and say, I know, you know, most of the time they're good people. I know they try. At least I know they're trying, they're trying to do the right thing by me and by their employees. So, you know, working from that angle, I hate to call it an angle, but working from that position yes. I think will serve you best. And of course, serve your clients best.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Xw1VCINoFpZ8p46dXfvN-AqxkOCx8QQPhuzO_bqH_GTwVPD12bubBmL1TbDNm6bDCl6YnOcTuV5Xo6ZFLfsWuJ6_ZT0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1478.87'>24:38</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree with you. That is such a good point. And so, yeah. You know, it's, when I read through this list of issues, and as we've talked through this today and, and we barely, you know, obviously there were 33, we could go deep on any one of these 33. Yeah. It's, you know, it reminds me why public relations always ends up on the list of most stressful jobs,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KLgSwpSr9NDRgcOCAhSbvyC975L_JuxuTl6Tr-fF8LK4DaOmP4QAfkDj-j7O80RqG9AFCGJMUFwanqVizsLU3dBcXxs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1504.46'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z_12exhsZRz33vO-omSo20vtSA9BYbBpU-qcr3gqczJKLhnL8pJtsvjZwR6CDSPtkdXTADBVQFipe3hmgqPJC8PMv-k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1504.84'>25:04</a>):</p>
<p>. And we want you to know that we see you, we care for you 365 days a year. We do, we do. Whether or not we're recording that, we have your back. And we understand that it's really tough. And so we want you not to be awake at night worrying about these issues. We want you to look at these lists and we want you to just sit down, you know, take some notes, reflect on your practices, because our goal is to always learn how to manage things better. And we should all do great work. Be proud of the work that we do. Be proud of where you are today, even as you strive to grow. Tomorrow, you know, every day is a chance to do better than you did the day before, but we want you to also, at the end of a good day, we want you to just lay your head down at night and sleep and not have night terrrors or not be stressed out and, and not be, you know, popping in acids because your clients have you in such angst. This work is tough. Yeah. And it's complex, but it's also rewarding. And it can be very fun. And you should feel good about the job that you're doing and not lay awake at night. Leave that to the CMOs. If, if they want to not sleep at night and have night terrors more power to you,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XUbYTqfEQzifX8Qig_oGL_kD-16hi4msqVaZroSzun7P515yf4VUd0ugVtTsffdBFpPfXmt0XE06xBK5McF353_btoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1583.9'>26:23</a>):</p>
<p>Let 'em,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TKVMzU0DjXB_kza-dyKAs7wycHZIcwiS40PaZ64a1Tow1NNFBCqOXhfkhVr2-GjWXPJKnQUntz072Ll9Vq8X9cn3dmg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1584.65'>26:24</a>):</p>
<p>My job is to try and help you not to have that experience. I'm gonna do my part. I can't control everything, but when I'm working with you, my job is let's all get a good night's sleep. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HIsdAk1ainLYN5yWWGMzsyYyIzU8mO_3YtJgjKmL2e02f2H_N6-UhL6pkxdKufuh3Nr2nDO7aDpjvd3xAi1xlxc2dug?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1596.56'>26:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, no, so true. Because, you know, I know as you and I have joked off, off air, it's like, yeah, when I actually get good sleep, it's amazing how much better I feel. Oh, it's all about the sleep. Oh. And, I know how hard it is sometimes to put those thoughts down and put them away, but what I tell myself is, there is nothing I can do about X, Y, or Z in the next six to eight hours. So I'm just going to put it in a little box and I'm going to sleep.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Oukv1j6GE9nx_SjPMDhztSIG2ns4l1kGqIH5snFZzfzKyKlMyK-Hn_9XaMGwnAwMdVPauGptkUNPyO9HehStIIARGbI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1625.85'>27:05</a>):</p>
<p>And by the way, you are so much better equipped to handle all of these issues when you sleep at night. So</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rvtqkb-2BkGC6YjKKTvy1yjsck-ejKiZTHLhf6zxcOIeH9IWJBzNugsJCCLIuJjKP0rajqTPd3J9ecd77_zeM-HHcHc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1631.46'>27:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, amen. </p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E7s6Yhhm-qjSx-VZvabjSC7XC9RdhEcYQj36XMVMju_R5y4XGezl9-a3mc4HX3NP6cY0kv5hIgNqjeUYoaNcprjFzZQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1633.71'>27:13</a>):</p>
<p>Issues. Keep you up at night, get a good night's sleep, and you know what, you'll wake up in the morning and you will live another day to tackle them all.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/e2dHTbzK8ZBXPRdIbxzOoEsiKE2T_puSdslkvU3szLO7zGLnqU1TYjvjknqfg1dgNeNMpa-qQITQtQ4C1ly11brGKBo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1642.23'>27:22</a>):</p>
<p>That's right. You'll be less likely to freak out on someone, which is always a good thing, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Syoi6i83hm7BGNgKJsxCPdifKOOAaqW0I_PA-SM6G9oRnYaCyjExhoMFx4pvLLMLDQG-_eY0aqSLIpPW2kmyAK6QbFA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1646.99'>27:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. On those days when you haven't slept well or you're just not feeling it, just make sure to protect others around you. It's like, yeah, I'm not peopling today, .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1MCEqdHKjKNJ5ok1KAXomyHSCkutA5_Ma6IDaEwdjOIz24lt0AmDPOGTouZrRfD4MIDEQBwMssz8aJtiNHHrefNO5Bc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1661.22'>27:41</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Exactly. Well, we hope we've provided some inspiration or some moments where you can just nod along and go, yeah, that's, that is what we're here for. Andif you're getting value out of us, please share us around tell people to come listen to That Solo Life. And until next time, thanks for listening.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?
Karen Swim (00:20):
I'm doing so well, Michelle. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:23):
I'm doing pretty well. We're dealing with the haze from the fires in Quebec. Thanks, Canada. We know you love us. So it's, a Roseanne Roseannadanna world. It's always something. So we just gotta get through it. .
Karen Swim (00:43):
Yeah. We are also under air quality alert here, Michigan. So if you're listening to us, by the time this podcast drops, we hope that your air is nice and clean and clear wherever you are. You're not under temperatures that are either they're scorching or too cold, and you're having a fabulous start of your summer. Even though it's not summer yet, everybody has sort of resigned themselves to the fact that we're here. So, yeah.
Michelle Kane (01:10):
Yeah. Please go outside and take a big breath for us, .
Karen Swim (01:14):
Yeah, please do.
Michelle Kane (01:16):
Well, speaking of nightmarish conditions, ,
Karen Swim (01:20):
Uhhuh, nice segue.
Michelle Kane (01:21):
Thank you. We decided to take on this topic today of things that make us lose sleep, things that might cause us to worry just things in the industry that may be real or manufactured in our minds. Talking about what's going on out there in the PR world and the communications world in general. I mean, we do touch on these things all the time, quite frankly, because we're here to keep you as sharp as possible. But we thought let's focus on some of our fears. .
Karen Swim (01:59):
Yeah. I love this. And this episode was inspired by a piece that Agility PR wrote, shout out to Agility. Hey, y'all. And, the title of the article, which we will link in the show notes, is 33 Issues Keeping, who's It Keeping Up Tonight? I forget
Michelle Kane (02:22):
All of Us
Karen Swim (02:25):
Keeping CMOs and Brand Managers up at night. So it was a really interesting look at, you know, several things, and I always like to know from the marketing side of the house, the pure marketing side of the house, and also from the brand side, what's troubling people, because often in our role as outsourced PR agency, the CMO is actually one of our primary contacts, and we work closely with the marketing team. So I found it really interesting and very on point to what others are seeing as well. So let's dive in.
Michelle Kane (03:08):
Yeah, absolutely. One, thing that jumped out of me was a, collection of four or five of the issues all, at least in my mind, speaking to what is sort of an attention deficit disorder that's happening out there. Yeah. many of the things keeping these CMOs up at night is, you know, optimizing the client experience, keeping customers engaged, aligning your brand with the consumer experience. And, really this just reinforced what I and many of my colleagues are experiencing, even when you're trying to either reintroduce programming that had been put on pause or that had been put online during the pandemic in-person events. And I think we're well past issues of participation in in-person events being because of fear of getting covid. But we're still all trying to put our finger on, well, how do we get everyone back? And we're coming to the realization of it's not just like turning the switch on and droves of people will return.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>AI, business development, pricing, the future of PR - all the latest trends. Oh, the things we get to talk about when we’re joined by Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance. Listen to this episode to get the latest scoop.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Learn more about Chip and SAGA here.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jHESMhEbOC9iV12i6KJe-0-40_Yak4JvMMV0vRFSsLfo9ozK0w80bAMOyUnpFVnOKyiOJVqnwzcByZiTlgUKbifKMnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.61'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. And today we have a guest. We are absolutely thrilled to be joined once again by Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance. Hello, Chip.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0-o9DYV6jk-DVAnc1uvHpxWMPFz-Osw9fTGouSlJXD88iRXSlexMUxTf6IbiEa-9ogT5B3ZmyIZKImzaKRaHkAO7HOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.7'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>It is great to be back here. I love being with the two of you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C7sKEErCpUl65qY59b57sheolYSyeOuiCHfFh9LV5UuHQPUwi16XYtMLsTonaVeMbkUCdZ7HKFsVLwa4LdPrGE4X2bg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=29.79'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>Ah, likewise, likewise.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UiVsSrh7BLLpGnA0dgT3nl-PCRUFCKZhVKT_vfHlQvDWjlP0OayaBdoU7f6oXQX038xBaMBPH5WOgABI9CSXNLbaGaw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.56'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>We are so excited. This totally makes our week. Thank you so much for hanging out with us, .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r7SNkqtW5WYidEbxKTdDObla0pjEGSWxROGd05fS-UmcLkSQ_w8Ojk2UMRM-2ZUyau8HAkKqSDJxmEEh0HWyNy0A60U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=36.27'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for having me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/639YTfECOLf3-XQeIVmmtFMZ6GF9hIcD2Ky-DJML2KLktMO1bdpWS9_qdoSNXgBUHhrV-OyMZCcwinOmTTXHqt5nckc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=37.95'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>So we're talking trends today and top of mind for most people in PR and beyond is of course AI. It's, you know, it's being thrown around in the news and people either are using it or are afraid of it, are just completely ignorant of it. But it's here. And, you know, Solo PR Pros, we like to think of ourselves as savvy smarties. We're just wondering what's, what's your take of what you're seeing out there right now?</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wpBZ2GiUeccvK3eFqaFtneE7QddPkJqyhY_dlbhdK9ekEljIfdEhDaX4Q66wZfj3PG8d049ph1On2wbHYhQcWQAyMV0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=72.03'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Well, my wise guy answer that I gave to an agency owner who asked me a couple of weeks ago about it, I said, “AI, what, what's that? I haven't really heard much about this.”  And he had first thought I was serious.   In any case, I mean, look, AI is absolutely top of mind for just about everybody right now. It is something that, I don't think I've had a conversation with any agency owner who hasn't brought it up. It is something that all communicators are talking about. Some are afraid of it, some are excited about it. Very few are really squarely in the middle as far as I've seen. And I think that really it's just incumbent upon folks to learn as much as they can about what new opportunities exist out there and figure out how they can implement it within their own businesses. Whether you are a solo or in-house or whatever, there's a lot of things that you can do with AI to make you more effective, more efficient. And I would be focused on that rather than on the, the scary side of it that a lot of people like to dwell on from time to time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UVK-QxMsDJLuNoAnbezrIYbXH5UNK22IcmkLnoRubUw4gYno_WweBTcejiVpQeftqdEbRdivk5Pl96jxLGqf0_I0Uyo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=129.93'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. Like the recent letter of doom from hundreds of tech leaders, .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lW1iMhUo6W8BJdAcSduhIl9MF58tKeF5zDWY5faFzHLCnBXe8vHyns4VzTTAkvUhnbI287l53ST9lUvXPuDDKEtOz9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=137.55'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Well, and you have to keep in mind that, that a lot of time, I mean, if you have the people who are already involved in AI saying, “Hey, we need to regulate it,” usually that's because they want to protect their own stake. And you see this in many industries. The large players often call for more regulation because it keeps out upstarts and it protects their position. So I would take that with a grain of salt, personally.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dcMrujJXumoa9lzbRwE5JYDDkMVywICbHI2rkuZo3fuBRuYoBx9oWanjAvgBDebiSzcKCtXUsLswZEhHH6zAxCJC3PI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=160.44'>02:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Nice big shaker of salt.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i5LaSyv-JkjfcZWlJ4REt5oDIPc8_NLetcejnrwVODlR2RTmvaGT8dDKkJDFKg22dPIWoK6Un5OP90djoQ96lLVNZ-w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=164.04'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It reminds me of every technological invention that has ever happened, how there is this fear that it's going to disrupt our way of life. And I'm not saying that the concerns around AI are not well founded. They are. So, as communicators, I agree with you, we need to use it. We need to learn it. And we also do need to be aware of the risk and the concerns around it so that we can guard against that. So one big one for me is understanding how AI can be used to spread mis information, which is a growing problem, and it has been for many years, and it continues to be something that we really have to deal with. So you really have to understand it so that you can educate your clients and so you know how to monitor their brand reputation, because you don't want false statements attributed to clients. You know, if anybody's operating without crisis plans, you need to get on top of that immediately, because these are all things that can and do happen, particularly for high profile individuals where images are being used and manipulated and they're getting better. You know, AI technology is getting better, so it can be more difficult to spot the fakes than in the past.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fGYiYdI8hGhnif8JD-QtzCZU5lDlEh1ABxnZT6mwsT4BAyccooKmxuBiK9JEYC_CDKR285mzAcWqlyd17SNPNoFkXxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=249.52'>04:09</a>):</p>
<p>But this is, I mean, it really isn't something new. It does make it easier. It does make it more polished in some cases. You know, if you take a look at what Photoshop has done now with, with its ability to use generative AI, it's, it's really, frankly, amazing as a photographer. I love what it allows me to do for my clients in a good way, but it certainly does open up other risks. But, I think we've just, that's an extension of what we've seen for a long period of time. And so, we absolutely need to be attuned to it. But at the same time, we shouldn't shy away from it and say, geez, you know, we don't really want to touch this AI thing, which I've seen some communicators say, you know, we don't, we won't use any content that's AI-generated or AI influenced or anything like that.</p>
<p>I think that's bonkers. I think you need to, to be in a position where you're leveraging AI effectively. And the reality is AI is going to change PR and marketing. It absolutely is. There's no way that PR and marketing five years from now looks exactly the same way that it did last year, because AI will have changed it. But that doesn't mean that's a bad thing. It just means you need to adapt. If you're putting out schlock content, yeah, AI probably is going to replace you. So don't put out schlock content, but that would be my advice even before AI .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Exactly. Exactly.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BJYKcCj3KaLZzbLlV8YT1Qs2laay-4G9OfoQEh4oMd0DSsJ33uVK6MiXVSSfsmWJZWYaZHeroVMZzWPNdab8LtHVl6U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=322.78'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>But I would also say, you know, I have just tried to be an avid learner, and so I've used it right from the beginning. And as an example, yesterday I went in and so I use it for idea generation. I've experimented with things like I've said I'm pitching this, what are the best reporters? And it spit back a list that matched my list perfectly. But there was one reporter that I hadn't thought of that actually was perfect. And so why wouldn't I use a tool that's going to help me to do my job better? So yesterday I had it write a press release for me and I gave it very specific points, like, here's some bullet points here, here's what I'm doing, write a press release regarding this.</p>
<p>So I gave it the information. I vetted some key points and bullet points. The press release came back and I shot it to our shared drive and I shared it with my colleague and I was like, check out what AI did – not meaning like, okay, it's time for you to edit this. Because I had not gone in and done the personalization and the edits. It was so good that she went in, she goes, “Oh, I only had one change.” And I started laughing. I go, “Yeah, I hadn't worked on that.” </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KUFAGmmtB12foLo5A-JIeaYWBcdFGjXkz0kLkfD33Md6wo0hrCF9Cr76HQMYBNtF_a5EJd4-M1HtP72-DBTFnWOCH9U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=405.35'>06:45</a>):</p>
<p></p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xnEm1zVinkS88W5MdkEehpRVYonavJK0iqIW4LLtC8nvuYx1extPZo4SAmBG5vSU8TUEd17PcqKhym1xyPDLelQqf7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=406.77'>06:46</a>):</p>
<p>Obviously we did not send that version to the client, but it just goes to show that it was good. It was actually good, and it's because I've gotten better at asking it to do things. So I've noticed from my early efforts that the content that it generates has gotten much more refined because I've learned how to really work with it. Why wouldn't I as a PR pro spend my time using my brain for my clients and really adding value, spending more time on the strategic work, spending more time on the deep focus work. A press release is table stakes. I mean, I don't understand why people are fighting this so hard or making it seem like it's this horrible, terrible thing if AI assisted you. Yes. I use AI in my work. It streamlines a lot of tasks. It's capable of doing a lot of things and helping me to grab time back that can be used for higher value activities. So, I think people just, you know, there's like these camps setting up like you're less of a PR pro if you use it. And I think that's just wrong.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rBdRM5fL76BbJXce8KIRtdxQqzWqnQfhCrDsZnou-tZlE5m5nlHI0AF8CscMKM-4en4t0jU2YYuGY_SVGOiItAXXyQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=477.38'>07:57</a>):</p>
<p>I'm seeing it too. I'm seeing different articles and it makes perfect sense, you know, to stay sharp. Those of us who learn how to use AI well in our work are the ones who are going to keep up and or stay ahead of the curve. If you totally table it, what's the point? I was heartened, I belong to the Philadelphia PR Association and we had a session last week with three profs from Temple, and they are helping their students do that very thing, you know, learn how to use this. They aren't -- you know, sadly, I've seen some from the English departments going, “Oh my gosh, make a go away. Like, okay, I get that to a point. But it was really heartening to see them both embrace it and truly study what does this mean for our profession moving forward? So, it's exciting too because why not try and save time? And I don't know about both of you, but many times there is that deeper strategic thinking that you sometimes don't have the opportunity to get to because you're in okay, we need this, we need that, we need this mode. This could solve for that for sure.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U3G80mYi3gaVX1JD_tKNjBNSIxxS4YXHKWC5m20tbotuQSAQteRKUAkSdM1j61PaQXka20pbMwOoCR-oBAcG7cMBWq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=558.27'>09:18</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and that's the thing. If I'm a solo or a small agency, I'm really excited about AI because it's a force multiplier for me. It is giving me resources that I would've had to pay a lot for and probably couldn't have afforded earlier. I describe AI in mid-2023 is basically like having an intern most of the time. It does a pretty decent job at what you ask it to do. Sometimes it really knocks your socks off and you're like, “Wow, that's great.” And occasionally it's just awful.  And, you've got to start over. But that's, I mean, that's what having an intern is. And you know, Karen, you described having to learn how to use it. It's the same thing if you have an intern, you have to figure out how to give them instructions correctly to get what you want.</p>
<p>Same thing with AI. You've got to learn how to give the instructions. The benefit is the AI doesn't go away after a few months. Right? And so you'll be able to continue to, and on top of that, the intern also continues to improve in that period of time. Someone said to me that, that right now AI is the worst it will ever be. Which is I think a great way of thinking about it. Despite all of the flaws that Chat GPT has and some of the image generators have, it's only going to get better. It's not going to get worse from here. So to me, that's incredibly exciting and you just have to figure out how can you take advantage of that for the work that you are doing on behalf of your clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3Tx5D1YyWLgAGxZnynFgYb5mi1ZFzTMHeXGhKV-KcMva6lGkBs59KXbH3O5YLHj7V6p37yz5l7VusAfatJVOZ3jSP0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=633.08'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uIbwkFIaVMQ1bt28rouMY1s2m7Z02spOvjP8NizrUo8XA1GR9hd8I4G6KPE-R78bknusdhd5dyPtDAzXcktatU6L4m8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=633.93'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>I really agree. I mean, and also funny, it's always funny to me that people are up in arms. AI is not new . It's not just really, we've been using AI for quite a few years. I hate to break it to you, but we really have. It's just, I think, come to the mainstream's attention at this point that we have artificial intelligence and there are some uses that are now becoming more popularized, but it's not new like it's been around.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3dRlZNjj90lOhUNcaAZ8bQ5R6qhIiOZEyzZVNQIZlRRZotwNDHaIgo0ULpeEhTqNY_YL99XdsACB2Jnvx-DXGFKKGAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=667.65'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. And part of it is that AI is one of those terms that gets thrown around loosely and has been for many years. I mean, the number of companies that in the last decade have claimed that they used AI for this or that, and I knew how they were doing things behind the scenes, I'd be like, yeah, that's not really AI. And frankly, a lot of what's being called AI today I think you can debate whether it is truly AI and it's certainly not general artificial intelligence, which is something that you know, is what people historically have thought of as AI. You know, someone that's completely a robot that's completely autonomous goes out and acts just like a human. We are, as far as I know, miles away from that still.  And so, but you're right, we have been using this, I mean, how long ago was it that Google Voice added automated transcription? That was a long time ago. That was at a decade ago that they started doing it, and it was pretty awful when it started. I mean, I remember laughing at some of the transcriptions. I would get a voicemail, so I'd be like, yeah, I don't think I have that kind of relationship with my brother. I'm pretty sure . So , I mean, it did had some really bizarre stuff. And, and even today, you know, if you look at Siri, some of the stuff that that happens that you, some of the responses you get, they're awful. They're just awful. But we've been using that for years. And so it's, it's just something that, that's going to continue to get better. We need to, to not overestimate what it can do for us today, because it can't just go out and write from scratch perfectly every time.</p>
<p>So if we're expecting that that's a mistake, and I see some communicators who are building that into their plans, like, “I don't have to hire a writer because I can just use AI to do this.” Well, yeah, that might work occasionally, but what's going to happen when you count on it and you didn't book enough time and you didn't book a resource to be able to do it, now you got into trouble. So you need to be thoughtful about how you use some of these technologies and tools that are still very much in their early stages. I mean, Chat GPT is often unavailable when you go to try to use it. And it's been getting better. I see that message a lot less often now than I did a couple of months ago, but still sometimes it's not right there. And so if you're leaning on it for something that is urgent, I would think twice about that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JbEjIXO6RincRXg74xlGQKA_xz60-pTX4f6cgNuEBZT61HOTnLo6_ICWkk40IezKTGokKKuUwrriL3wuXTG2fQxdecU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=794.02'>13:14</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Or you could just pay the 20 bucks a month and always have access.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4dr2tGjOsqExGV6G8PMuVzxyrIYZbVGI7PfQnQ1Fv3T4PJ05vJ0p5Hb7Yw51dSYC8kKclJYAKZhJqoI3Dp6iQGFyTos?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=799.12'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>I still get the message even with the paid with the pro level.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SAXVUbxf9ED2pdLt1EGHF3oxACzYBbfGUR81lN384XU7d1PpL0G9Aq0r5770nErafa99xy6X7nbc0knjGos8lZnCmGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=802.87'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I haven't been seeing it at all since the paid, so, interesting.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D1-6u375oBEaKdBugbyp5m4Jr11STE76Hfu97au_FXrqktn-Hwe-rOjQB153w1dhbY6PIjcTHRNdjnwBtFx6oCOOEO4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=806.98'>13:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It depends on the time of day in my experience. If it's peak east coast time, you know, late morning, that's when I tend to see it the most. But I tend to use it more in the evenings anyway, since I tend to be on calls almost all day, so</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIq-VYtJlFh_dbUgUVCEla0-q3slvhUr2ALB-wV44KIdmn6pYpieJszT26y7vmNz3p2SascTOKLYatMBP8IRg5u7w8o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=820.33'>13:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. , well, we've, we've covered AI. What other trends are you seeing Chip?</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oKzhEf9ebxTBUcLRz3eDacRiVmt91IbmnsUwTRBKI6jaTc3ExL5ZRRidKUf97iq4P9liQ3DwlrS2joC0DXWIc-5DHjc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=827.56'>13:47</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think, from a business development standpoint, anybody who is out there trying to work with clients, I think most people are seeing some degree of a slowdown in the pipeline. Not necessarily in the number of prospects are in the pipeline or even the types of projects that are there. But the, the, the length of time it takes to close a deal seems to be increasing for many agencies, many solos. That's not, it's not across the board. And I always warn people, you've got to be careful because a lot of these things are very sector specific. If you're doing work in the tech space, yeah. A lot of those folks have slowed down. Some of those have cut back on the business that they're doing with outside agencies and contractors because they're trying to be more careful. If they're laying off staff, chances are they're going to cut back on their agencies too. But that does create opportunities. And so you need to be looking for those as well, because if a company has laid off a lot of internal staff, they still have PR and marketing needs. Yeah. They might be able to turn to you on the outside to help them with that in the interim.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Rk4POodgblhJAqEGrFoIciia7NOKIN2zRnBXJ7t3XWyJGNjkEnYnULM09kLy4nIAJXTIl10uD9zCeqkvA0sYB4PNP-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=883.66'>14:43</a>):</p>
<p>I 100% agree. I mean, there has been this weird, because the economy has, you know, been so all over the place and companies were doing layoffs, but in reality, those layoffs were not cutting to the bone. They were cutting excess because they staffed up artificially for the pandemic. So yeah. It was really a correction. And so I didn't get too up in arms about that. But investors are also driving some of the reductions as they're requiring you know, the free money era is kind of over for now because of the, you know, the interest rates and inflation and all that's going on. That money's not falling like it was before. And so they are forcing companies that, you know, once they didn't care if you were in the red, but now it's all about, you know, being in the black, which means that they have to cut back.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5bF37kU4_RqW8JZf1np9u2fwG2V39qc0sXzm0rT7XJA802Z43e9YmMvxCIHAJjQh34PjTeTljKhWLbm0wuafUA9U65c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=946.35'>15:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and the reality is, a lot of these tech staff cuts right now have very little to do with the actual economic situation. Most of them are as, as you say, because they staffed up too quickly. Some of it is because they did the dumb things the tech companies like to do, like just hiring staff so that their competitors can't have them. And so, I mean, there have been numerous stories that I've seen of large tech companies having groups of people that sit around doing nothing. Yes. Because they were simply hired so that they wouldn't go work for the competition.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UBsO0s15rKBVDEvLcw1K2rPTAuskGFSGwaHUfrtPsxBd4WtCZfAbQkQzyqNEXqItCj1PMeAHpw6y7JrtnqjJoiW8Pg4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=974.81'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>100%.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/47KSEY4OYY6ToFy2j5ArUONYjNrl-Ifd24p0OGlr_qgpiCXmxNHk-zTj_Zb_f50s7td0LE3xhlOz78Qe8MGemHWH6Wk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=976.34'>16:16</a>):</p>
<p>That's wildly stupid</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oCSoyOP6cfOTcyUUuZB4by_jgJ-HKUcDEoMtzn7CLsOoIXu4XtvOq6ryE3IXUd-3J7ZX9XcwUg2FIo--phxkOlMbpUU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=978.44'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>. It's, which is why, you know, tech workers often had three jobs going at the same time.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NRKOkYdNeIQifr0ALT9b2Uc_W4Yj8agn78Fl8XQ-cEloEG_R_7SA_pa_nlQOqwsRG1UfVpbhl4LiGMwslmeCYJo2618?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=988.61'>16:28</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Why not ? I mean, yeah, yeah. I'm not being asked to do anything. I might as well double dip or triple dip. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OUikFCoyp_oxEWvhV-OVy9bZn7y8KBkRTn1DHl1nvKr6HkxeuIPmizcwUNIMqRspgNcmEOhXkcCy8kfY_ijH112sa7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=993.77'>16:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And then they were like, oh, got laid off from my second job. So now I only have two. I mean, how, and you know what? I 100% admire the hustle as long as they weren't breaking their employment contracts. Right. If you can do your job for three people and have added this. You know, most people these days have more than one gig anyway. You know, you have a gig and a side gig or a business and a side business. So I, maybe that's the way of the future.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p1GrxPhhNkCcRCEcY1kfOhngFqYhBcO4TqTznkmC23iZ_WzCP1DBLQHg-opX3q0w52nrESYdO3HogcHR8RG5RnXZeFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1024.67'>17:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, and, and it's certainly something I'm a big believer in. I don't, I don't think I've ever had or haven't had a single source of income since I had hair with glasses . So that was, that was decades ago. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E6lOmwVhqRLEfq2VO4CRwhgsIZj3ayPGPQDyAYbGdyLg-GuPlGmFUto5gUqIcDKjjVuhpxD1A9l5pz__DBqqDtyOiTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1037.74'>17:17</a>):</p>
<p>I would definitely, you know, it's, it's back to that older adage. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I'm a big believer in that, to have multiple channels of income always. Because you can't rely on one source and if your job is your one source, as we know, you have very little control over what happens with that job.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JWlmJMVGDgTf9dFMFprp6pDmW9CwufA2M8HvxTR64FMzbBeWP7REFoLWx7u1Yqjk0kNl1GtCqa7P6H_jZWVKAbhlTcE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1057.69'>17:37</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think also, creative ambitious people, variety is a good thing too. I mean, for me, that's a big piece of it. I mean, yes, it's, it's nice to have diversification, but a lot of it is just, it gives me different things to focus on at, at different points in the day or week. And so I enjoy that. And I know a lot of other people who are the same way. They just want something else to, to interest them and, and pursue and they don't have to worry about one thing 24 7.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F0PWqSN6tB_rhQrkVlDiL81m_NTjVZNmpic210VXgwMVjUsjTAYfKm8b5prv4O6UCzq_pp4exA62GBcYfbzHxiBC4B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1080.75'>18:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. I think a lot of PR people are like that too. Oh my God. I think we would go insane if it was just PR  .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xwtQ4MlZMJdS51QPk82xGdUBLEIhPglJ8w5kCjYA1XOo1GGY_2Fbca7QdddlkswPF1Ji-qbvIi2ZRNrvavrzOBEOJJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1090.29'>18:10</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think that's the other trend that we probably can touch on here, which is that PR is becoming much less traditional. There are very few folks who practice PR today that can practice it the same way they did 15 or 20 years ago. You really need to have a much broader skillset set. And I think AI is certainly going to accelerate that need because there's going to be a demand from clients for you to do more than simply basic media relations. So, when I'm talking with an agency that does simply media relations, they've got to have a real strong differentiator to be able to make a solid go of that in 2023. It's just, you really need to have a much broader skillset in order to be able to work with clients effectively.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ytO-5zwZ6XN99DI19UjE37M735_21K0q8-KPX_mxeNRW_zgI73Hh2vW1MO0MC9eaLD3ELpCbA0KtLbmMy_fW2E10X8g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1137.27'>18:57</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I completely agree with you. That media landscape is not your friend right now. It is ugly out there. It doesn't mean that you can't get opportunities. But again, this is not new. I can remember saying this, you know, five years ago, like, do not lean on one lever in your public relations practice. Now that does not mean that there are people that cannot focus and specialize. You absolutely can do that. People have done that with great success where they are honed in on a specialty, and that's what they do. They don't do me media relations at all. They, they have a specialty. We have some pros that they only do media relations. That's all they do. They don't do anything else. Doesn't mean that they're doing it the same way that they were doing it 20 years ago, but that's their specialty. That's their area of expertise.</p>
<p>But for those that are a little more general and have a robust practice, you need to utilize all of the things that are in our tool bag. And I think for every single person, no matter what your area of specialty is, you really need to be a strategist. Yes. I'm very surprised how many people lean on the tactical and there's no strategy and they're not aligned with the business goals that is not going to fly. Right. Going forward. You may have been able to skate by on the tactical for a period of time. I truly believe those days are over. And that you are going to have to get very comfortable with speaking the language of the business. And you have to be very confident in presenting metrics and aligning with goals that matter, not yes, the goals that matter to you as a PR person, but the goals that matter to your clients, to their business. You have to be comfortable talking about how you're supporting the bottom line. If you're not comfortable with that, you're going to not be chosen or you're not going to keep jobs with those large enterprise companies because they care. They do care about their bottom line and they care about drawing the line from PR to revenue. And, and I know I, I've heard people say this, well, you can't. Yes, you can. You can measure your efforts. </p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0-zYa-NaR62w0Ix0A_kyXue6K5dtHPFUAC7_ohEqu0vdEAAl4XO1PTwIg_kdHCR2kQ3onBZK2VQlnSPnekUkeIhRP04?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1269.1'>21:09</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. But also, measure, report your results to clients. Don't report your efforts. Because that's, I mean, I see these reports that are being delivered to clients where it's like, “We pitched X number of reporters,” Who cares? I don't care how many people you pitched or how many emails you sent out. What did you generate from that? Right? Now I'm okay with you saying, we pitched 50 reporters and got no bites. If you're saying, look, we need to look in a different direction, I think that's helpful. But if you're doing it simply to say, Hey, we tried really hard. Yes. Okay. I mean, there's not a participation medal here in the kind of work that we do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QfCaXuuRaX7_kXSNdHySejxOwUmWuCllYmMArkJXoxJkXX7liPbt3CSD1kbVHTa-Ogy-LfoztkJb74-Y_7DC3313nuU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1305.94'>21:45</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t0bgnSqOh77MMj9lVUzSVFmNw-RU5AH1vE2Dzkkr7GsY1tYqmFrqzs6r0CC-rk81YCb6lc6AmOV_Oq2WXU0Nv_STZIc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1307.8'>21:47</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I mean, recently we had to share with a client that a particular piece of news was just not interesting to the media. And so then in that case, you do need to summarize what the response was, what you were hearing. And then better than that, we suggested a new strategic plan because this was something that they had been doing. And we said, don't do that anymore. It doesn't work. No one cares.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0z9MaxTBhBc35yf098qpPu2iMSh_IO00NM-adjxs6kj2diOWJoNXAmCjGGysVfiHL4QWOUVMSK8LoCqOEOTMERfGfhM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1332.43'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>And you should do that because if you're just an order taker and are executing bad orders, it's going to be reflecting on you. They don't sit there and say, “Oh, I gave dumb instructions.” They say, “My agency, my solo was just awful.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uh9lHUBd3ZIf6gQN-HdLvCWHq2HqvQ4ZJBbC6LYKI6kl_oXxWaOmojBqQxiLHulVtiX77vnqxwvHX4v59byTF-4L9hc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1344.43'>22:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4mPUPiqiqX6gcXkZoAkh4GuMDI_yz-I3YDspiJJeuavw4VKoOl7CG-gHSikJ0-H6pyulc3pEd1mO2oiePDv43JHM2BU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1345'>22:25</a>):</p>
<p>Even though they were just following your instructions. So if you get bad instructions, bad guidance, bad requests, push back, tell them it's not a good idea.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qG4pUJs4_w9dxjeEqzJAKkFlzQo5iYewjQy8fL9vP0o2IdHnjmVSinzuqnK-lGMOyAPEj4ABbWhkYgCxDHrBzkMISwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1352.74'>22:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.  and that speaks back to the need to focus on strategy. It's like, why are you doing this, this, why, what is your goal? I think those are the first questions you always need to be thinking of and always need to be asking.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/599NAMsRwAjsORGL736T7ApWjWVxkZu4Pr4NRpKZMXX679Y04qzpsDKXxBz1CG-AkxUI4C0ECIpOCSWZMwuLlTFtTpo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1372.39'>22:52</a>):</p>
<p>And AI helps you to do that to come full circle in our conversation.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/g0RjUn4W7D5OHts_SRKnu1vHQpfa5Tvgd1JHk6GPylR34bYkBJII1KbxJ8GCyYNgKhbZ1TPOVEbx7FiBi7DswPsnNfE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1376.92'>22:56</a>):</p>
<p>I was just going to say , what if we had some kind of online mechanism to help us ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Ki6vrs4bvJZl3uerXwPDjXYHHsFw8jumQFXTaPXdSE6Y7xnfzAevymgI1d85QVRFYViYSPriSsi-2e7b9pfOZHM7u0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1384.09'>23:04</a>):</p>
<p>So anything else that you're seeing out there, Chip, that we should be aware of? Because you deal with agencies and enterprise and you are the man in the know.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1Qp09Uif5ATbYO6Or-vczUQBYk62eCkyQ3TZsgfwvNAbOC1rd9igBFWktcCmB26LwSYkPc_N6ehC1qSbWkEE-Tu6i3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1394.58'>23:14</a>):</p>
<p>I think the other thing, and, I'm not sure whether it's a trend that something that's been going on for a long period of time, but I think because of some of the economic conditions, particularly inflation is getting worse, is the inability of folks to correctly price their services. And that is something that I think is going to become an acute problem, given that costs are rising so substantially for most of us in the work that we're doing in the lives that we lead. And if you're not pricing correctly, that's a problem. What I hear people say is, “Well, geez, but this client will never pay more than this, or they've always paid this, or this is what we charge in our old agency.” None of that matters. It matters how much it costs you to deliver services today. And if you're not pricing based off of what it actually costs you to deliver the services, then you're going to have a problem. And it doesn't matter whether the client's willing or unwilling to pay that amount. It's, the reality is you got to charge more than it costs, otherwise you fail.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O7n4O3hGcukbKZsRVMCm1uAF3M7qRASYjp3GYJ9aO7B6juMvN7qmN67amYSsbGZGl_1zKyOB54_01b2c3PDjZlhThNc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1452.95'>24:12</a>):</p>
<p>I love that advice. And I would encourage our solos. I've said this before and I think we did, we added it in a recent blog post, but pricing is not just about the cost of the services or your cost per hour. Pricing is also a marketing strategy. And it plays into how prospective clients see you. We all know that, there's definitely science behind this, and it's science that's used by everyone that sets prices. Your prices are too high, way too high, then it's going to turn your market off. Your prices are too low, it's going to cause them to think of you as a budget option, and it's going to diminish the value that they see that they get from you. And so you really have to find that place where your prices are high enough that they communicate that you are offering a quality, thoughtful service and not solo, that they think of you as just a replaceable freelancer. You're just another cog. And unfortunately, I still do see so many solos price or services so low that they're, they're doing things for rates that I wouldn't, there's, I would not take a phone call for some of the rates that you charge a client per month. It's not enough money. So consider that and, and what happens, you end up having these clients that don't want to pay you the meager amounts of money that you're charging them. They require you to overservice them for that tiny amount of money. They're the worst clients in the world. You want to price yourself higher. And I will tell you that the more money that you earn in your career, it not only helps people to see you differently, it helps you to see yourself differently. It's hard to think of yourself as a value professional. If you're charging a client a thousand dollars a month and it really should be 10, it's very, you start to see yourself, you shrink your own value down to that thousand dollars level and not at that $10,000 level.</p>
<p>So do yourself a favor and start to get confident to raise your rates and you can raise them on new clients because as you get more new clients, you can then go and sift away the bottom feeders. But we, nobody needs that in their life. Don't do that. You know, don't price yourself so low that people don't see the talent that you have. And then you start to believe that in your head too, and you start to become what you're charging and that's not okay when the price is too low.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O9WWiFjIIn0vSsnyfymb15tPsxcz_KmoQUAtqosm4aRoO1kvWrLNckn7UHcL-hJWvQ_cvDZDWR49lrZVHNeH8Ta6fTk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1616.91'>26:56</a>):</p>
<p>Couldn't agree more.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZukF6oYatgAFshMCIhuSUSkFJU_0kEywKGmcUX7wKQJP9O5ClxCxGGX2_fx8U6BB1n8h_RN6Icms8PfngNNi1mWUPWM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1618.11'>26:58</a>):</p>
<p>I'm so glad that you described pricing as a positioning tool because it absolutely is. And I think people underestimate that and the message that you send to the marketplace about the value of what you're delivering. I will say that I do what I preach is what I call floor to ceiling pricing. And I do think that before you start looking at how you're using pricing or positioning or how you get into value pricing or charge premiums, you need to know your floor. And I think that that too many solos and small agencies have no idea what it truly costs them to deliver and what that minimum price is that they need to charge in order to make what they're looking to make. And I do think you need to know that floor first, then absolutely. Go find that ceiling by trying these different things and, and trying different positioning and char try value pricing and those kinds of things. But don't come into those things until you know what it actually costs you to deliver. Otherwise, you may be putting yourself in an even worse position.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fa0mHQ81itu4UPd3IvIj8K_h_EiBrVP_rOfbKAl5v-N04HErTZzGRfOUj4WapEwzstLqvPyZRchVTwFHdsshlF6Q1EI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1676.52'>27:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, we have minimum budget amounts. We have minimum budgets for ongoing clients. We also do projects, we fit in projects every quarter. We have a certain amount and we have minimum project pricing, period. Because we know that anything below that, we can't really be effective. And there, it's written down. So it's not something that we have to guess at every single time. Like, oh, what should that be? No, we have a minimum. And if somebody comes in and they're below our minimum, then we can say that like, I'm sorry, this is below our minimum. If you have more budget, here's what we could do for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HJKUH-6tsSR10yHrBrWzFeJC0PYjOVcm6uIzVCPA4gL86JdCGSf8-3BsUvib6z19cXBiS2vBCJSeFp8pYWR6O8Wpuis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1710.12'>28:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right, exactly. And keeping in mind, too, there's room for scaling within your floor to ceiling concept.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q8Nx9F2bdXu5jTEkm314bmdu5rw-obeRf4to-J248TV4uI2yvmJaCe9LB76Pbbuzyi0oJFT97x8nJqnpzExajNQwZ0E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1718.01'>28:38</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_G7Jgt6jMqBe0vy-XmTMuPa9V7DASfeXhw7KKZ097suW4LAACV0FsrnuBNFcmYnukcN0IH2UvIS42xVgxifdEn4ot4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1718.44'>28:38</a>):</p>
<p>You can still be effective, but just having that transparency with the prospect or the client, just so they know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/P_-QcECNMtcSC-gWvThD2EAxCYDtePTllPpQFv8p00gzNktMFzBQ7nqVVnCuKeqpyLywduwSZeqAkrfez2GV9xwF3SA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1729.41'>28:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I would say, hang out in circles, hang out with people that are where you want to be. There's something truly transformative in that. I can remember, for me, I was early on in my PR career and I was at a Solo PR Pro summit and they had people close their eyes and raise their hands at their rate per hour. Shiny new girl that I was, was blown away by how many people were raising their hand at charging $400 an hour. To me back then that was like, “Oh my God, really?” But it was eye opening. And so yeah, being in a space with people that were charging those amounts and had been doing it and were doing well helped me to elevate my thinking and understand what the possibilities were, because I honestly didn't know. Since then, I've been in rooms with people in different industries. You know, I was with somebody recently that had a 10 million project and it wasn't 10 million for 10 years . And all he did was strategy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p9OZbJ40rl0hw1Hu2IbyoMsKyxmC52dVC0wYtlHI-oqOky3csrbhySC2PaQxhELwPi60H30D0u4H3mOopFzJOkDNo1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1798.34'>29:58</a>):</p>
<p>Dreamy</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgW-QhEI-aXy1J9N-I9AqgywymKK0h22Vc6cxXi8TALn2Kdt80MOHpNpdDvfQ0SkYxBRmTtliF7fSfiHOQmlwwGRr8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1798.76'>29:58</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm like, I’m a strategist too. I'm actually really good at strategy . So, again, being in rooms with people that are doing exactly what you're capable of, you have a brain, you know how to think, you know how to use it. And seeing what others are willing to pay for that really does help you to start to get outside of your own box. And it starts to erase the limitations that we sometimes place on ourselves. And so I would advise you to do that. Stop hanging out with people that are charging $50 an hour. And start going into those spaces where people are charging more, getting more learning what they're doing and hearing that and adopting that for yourself.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qT3tftIeO6Qrj_OdE0ix1O8PCVSnGjlYbC-Xwkb5ZNj4mguHqfeyFbDBcbh4fj-JxOYxMgRY1rVVgbtFMlV6RYcpeTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1839.3'>30:39</a>):</p>
<p>And I know plenty of solos who charge less than $50 an hour, which is crazy in 2023. I mean, these are people with decades of experience. It makes no sense to me. You need to know how to understand your own worth. You need to be realistic about it because otherwise you will continue to sell yourself short and good clients are willing to pay more than you think they are. The bad clients are the ones who want to nickel and dime you</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W395RjwnQW3v0vig-N56BgjZhfF7LyHlsY_esBMkOmcszgD0oH4gMvjiTsL2BVX7hZFOgY5ECCnE_hI7h2ChbQGg6vM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1866.07'>31:06</a>):</p>
<p>And micromanage you, just to top it all off and I would say even practitioners who maybe it's at the tail end of their career and it's just for fun, or to keep them busy, but, please don't undercut your prices because that hurts the whole profession. So get that money  that you deserve and it, you know, it lifts all of us to where we really should be.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7aRejhJgbfUGkE_4BeStRq1WYGRSganOGARLDZAEbaJ44Ds4mbpq830YByB1zYJuc61vyChHzP5PBs6kuxc--fNnUew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1892.23'>31:32</a>):</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jvf2-fKroCda78vvTlWl3owKAXLaORGaTEhJp292uQpQIJ0Ooh5XZd58bSNRPPFHwXPr7IfwqqWpBcEs9_h7-_8pSjs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1893.07'>31:33</a>):</p>
<p>And that sounds like a good note to,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-f_z0rNLqWhPF4dttZFdRmLr5bJ9lzAmu0CW-MCLl5w4TRGVf3VEnbbFiMarFAssLHB3-DwgYUf7FI7xRBdRqlxwJXE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1895.62'>31:35</a>):</p>
<p>It does</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eRRWWQFEw8ZL6gSGG3HrhWJyke3oBOU4EWjsMX7sMSITUWmgmqfKKqD3EN47wrck7mbZ9mQGxqhOfl2u1_QIVdQYrqI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1896.58'>31:36</a>):</p>
<p>end on that. We should use AI, charge higher prices, think better of yourself and you'll do better work for your clients. But before we go, and Michelle's going to take us out, I just want to remind everybody, we recently reached a huge milestone of recording over 200 episodes of this program.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/baAKsJBagZ14gTkbqUZF0UfJSGbNDNn9m5GBWKhZXDk6aj8N4cUI4_8UzhWkFyu7DIgB34LR28TKQvRIhnpH00O9K1k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1919.62'>31:59</a>):</p>
<p>Whoo!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GBKKKOSlc8h_Yp1aaTXyBWY7B8ClQm2k9gbe0coFP2XwDiXqhNxoGV2VMUfspzEegQQyrFnoWJhUDcJZEENeScWwaqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1921.06'>32:01</a>):</p>
<p>We're working on ourselves, , and we want to reach more people because there aren't a lot of PR focused podcasts that have been around for as long as we have. And we've been really consistent and we feel like we're just getting started. We're having the time of our life. We get to talk with great smart thinkers like Chip. So please, please, please, before you exit with us today, hit the subscribe button, follow our channel, subscribe to us, follow us on your favorite podcast app. We always have the podcast also on our website at soloprpro.com. You just hit the back slash button for the podcast. You can listen there, but please subscribe and share, share, share, share. We want you to tell all of your other colleagues about it and even the people that aren't in PR Yeah. Can gain something from the episodes. Because we talk about a lot of business topics that apply outside of our industry. So do us that favor and thank you for staying with us, but please share, please, like stay tuned. More to come  more chip to come .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PrtVm1kBzgWJ0eAISIf39NV8ErgdAXKOQr0_ZhXGOJXqBh9EGaQrzLTJIofdRzbv3Nhnf0IuUAjgbj9SKY7D4r4wsok?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1987.76'>33:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, absolutely. And I'll even issue a challenge if you found one good nugget in today's episode, thanks to Chip in this great conversation, use that, share that, hashtag us #solopr. That would be wonderful. Be good for you, good for us, good for everybody. But we also want to thank Chip Griffin for spending all of this time with us. He is with these small Agency Growth Alliance. Please check them out. What's the best  URL for that, Chip?</p>
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<p>Chip Griffin</p>
<p>smallagencygrowth.com.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Boom. We thank you so much for spending this time with us and until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AI, business development, pricing, the future of PR - all the latest trends. Oh, the things we get to talk about when we’re joined by Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance. Listen to this episode to get the latest scoop.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Learn more about Chip and SAGA here.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jHESMhEbOC9iV12i6KJe-0-40_Yak4JvMMV0vRFSsLfo9ozK0w80bAMOyUnpFVnOKyiOJVqnwzcByZiTlgUKbifKMnk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.61'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. And today we have a guest. We are absolutely thrilled to be joined once again by Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance. Hello, Chip.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0-o9DYV6jk-DVAnc1uvHpxWMPFz-Osw9fTGouSlJXD88iRXSlexMUxTf6IbiEa-9ogT5B3ZmyIZKImzaKRaHkAO7HOg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.7'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>It is great to be back here. I love being with the two of you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/C7sKEErCpUl65qY59b57sheolYSyeOuiCHfFh9LV5UuHQPUwi16XYtMLsTonaVeMbkUCdZ7HKFsVLwa4LdPrGE4X2bg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=29.79'>00:29</a>):</p>
<p>Ah, likewise, likewise.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UiVsSrh7BLLpGnA0dgT3nl-PCRUFCKZhVKT_vfHlQvDWjlP0OayaBdoU7f6oXQX038xBaMBPH5WOgABI9CSXNLbaGaw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.56'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>We are so excited. This totally makes our week. Thank you so much for hanging out with us, .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r7SNkqtW5WYidEbxKTdDObla0pjEGSWxROGd05fS-UmcLkSQ_w8Ojk2UMRM-2ZUyau8HAkKqSDJxmEEh0HWyNy0A60U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=36.27'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for having me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/639YTfECOLf3-XQeIVmmtFMZ6GF9hIcD2Ky-DJML2KLktMO1bdpWS9_qdoSNXgBUHhrV-OyMZCcwinOmTTXHqt5nckc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=37.95'>00:37</a>):</p>
<p>So we're talking trends today and top of mind for most people in PR and beyond is of course AI. It's, you know, it's being thrown around in the news and people either are using it or are afraid of it, are just completely ignorant of it. But it's here. And, you know, Solo PR Pros, we like to think of ourselves as savvy smarties. We're just wondering what's, what's your take of what you're seeing out there right now?</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wpBZ2GiUeccvK3eFqaFtneE7QddPkJqyhY_dlbhdK9ekEljIfdEhDaX4Q66wZfj3PG8d049ph1On2wbHYhQcWQAyMV0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=72.03'>01:12</a>):</p>
<p>Well, my wise guy answer that I gave to an agency owner who asked me a couple of weeks ago about it, I said, “AI, what, what's that? I haven't really heard much about this.”  And he had first thought I was serious.   In any case, I mean, look, AI is absolutely top of mind for just about everybody right now. It is something that, I don't think I've had a conversation with any agency owner who hasn't brought it up. It is something that all communicators are talking about. Some are afraid of it, some are excited about it. Very few are really squarely in the middle as far as I've seen. And I think that really it's just incumbent upon folks to learn as much as they can about what new opportunities exist out there and figure out how they can implement it within their own businesses. Whether you are a solo or in-house or whatever, there's a lot of things that you can do with AI to make you more effective, more efficient. And I would be focused on that rather than on the, the scary side of it that a lot of people like to dwell on from time to time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UVK-QxMsDJLuNoAnbezrIYbXH5UNK22IcmkLnoRubUw4gYno_WweBTcejiVpQeftqdEbRdivk5Pl96jxLGqf0_I0Uyo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=129.93'>02:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. Like the recent letter of doom from hundreds of tech leaders, .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lW1iMhUo6W8BJdAcSduhIl9MF58tKeF5zDWY5faFzHLCnBXe8vHyns4VzTTAkvUhnbI287l53ST9lUvXPuDDKEtOz9w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=137.55'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Well, and you have to keep in mind that, that a lot of time, I mean, if you have the people who are already involved in AI saying, “Hey, we need to regulate it,” usually that's because they want to protect their own stake. And you see this in many industries. The large players often call for more regulation because it keeps out upstarts and it protects their position. So I would take that with a grain of salt, personally.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dcMrujJXumoa9lzbRwE5JYDDkMVywICbHI2rkuZo3fuBRuYoBx9oWanjAvgBDebiSzcKCtXUsLswZEhHH6zAxCJC3PI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=160.44'>02:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Nice big shaker of salt.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i5LaSyv-JkjfcZWlJ4REt5oDIPc8_NLetcejnrwVODlR2RTmvaGT8dDKkJDFKg22dPIWoK6Un5OP90djoQ96lLVNZ-w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=164.04'>02:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It reminds me of every technological invention that has ever happened, how there is this fear that it's going to disrupt our way of life. And I'm not saying that the concerns around AI are not well founded. They are. So, as communicators, I agree with you, we need to use it. We need to learn it. And we also do need to be aware of the risk and the concerns around it so that we can guard against that. So one big one for me is understanding how AI can be used to spread mis information, which is a growing problem, and it has been for many years, and it continues to be something that we really have to deal with. So you really have to understand it so that you can educate your clients and so you know how to monitor their brand reputation, because you don't want false statements attributed to clients. You know, if anybody's operating without crisis plans, you need to get on top of that immediately, because these are all things that can and do happen, particularly for high profile individuals where images are being used and manipulated and they're getting better. You know, AI technology is getting better, so it can be more difficult to spot the fakes than in the past.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fGYiYdI8hGhnif8JD-QtzCZU5lDlEh1ABxnZT6mwsT4BAyccooKmxuBiK9JEYC_CDKR285mzAcWqlyd17SNPNoFkXxE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=249.52'>04:09</a>):</p>
<p>But this is, I mean, it really isn't something new. It does make it easier. It does make it more polished in some cases. You know, if you take a look at what Photoshop has done now with, with its ability to use generative AI, it's, it's really, frankly, amazing as a photographer. I love what it allows me to do for my clients in a good way, but it certainly does open up other risks. But, I think we've just, that's an extension of what we've seen for a long period of time. And so, we absolutely need to be attuned to it. But at the same time, we shouldn't shy away from it and say, geez, you know, we don't really want to touch this AI thing, which I've seen some communicators say, you know, we don't, we won't use any content that's AI-generated or AI influenced or anything like that.</p>
<p>I think that's bonkers. I think you need to, to be in a position where you're leveraging AI effectively. And the reality is AI is going to change PR and marketing. It absolutely is. There's no way that PR and marketing five years from now looks exactly the same way that it did last year, because AI will have changed it. But that doesn't mean that's a bad thing. It just means you need to adapt. If you're putting out schlock content, yeah, AI probably is going to replace you. So don't put out schlock content, but that would be my advice even before AI .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Exactly. Exactly.</p>
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<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BJYKcCj3KaLZzbLlV8YT1Qs2laay-4G9OfoQEh4oMd0DSsJ33uVK6MiXVSSfsmWJZWYaZHeroVMZzWPNdab8LtHVl6U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=322.78'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>But I would also say, you know, I have just tried to be an avid learner, and so I've used it right from the beginning. And as an example, yesterday I went in and so I use it for idea generation. I've experimented with things like I've said I'm pitching this, what are the best reporters? And it spit back a list that matched my list perfectly. But there was one reporter that I hadn't thought of that actually was perfect. And so why wouldn't I use a tool that's going to help me to do my job better? So yesterday I had it write a press release for me and I gave it very specific points, like, here's some bullet points here, here's what I'm doing, write a press release regarding this.</p>
<p>So I gave it the information. I vetted some key points and bullet points. The press release came back and I shot it to our shared drive and I shared it with my colleague and I was like, check out what AI did – not meaning like, okay, it's time for you to edit this. Because I had not gone in and done the personalization and the edits. It was so good that she went in, she goes, “Oh, I only had one change.” And I started laughing. I go, “Yeah, I hadn't worked on that.” </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/KUFAGmmtB12foLo5A-JIeaYWBcdFGjXkz0kLkfD33Md6wo0hrCF9Cr76HQMYBNtF_a5EJd4-M1HtP72-DBTFnWOCH9U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=405.35'>06:45</a>):</p>
<p></p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xnEm1zVinkS88W5MdkEehpRVYonavJK0iqIW4LLtC8nvuYx1extPZo4SAmBG5vSU8TUEd17PcqKhym1xyPDLelQqf7c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=406.77'>06:46</a>):</p>
<p>Obviously we did not send that version to the client, but it just goes to show that it was good. It was actually good, and it's because I've gotten better at asking it to do things. So I've noticed from my early efforts that the content that it generates has gotten much more refined because I've learned how to really work with it. Why wouldn't I as a PR pro spend my time using my brain for my clients and really adding value, spending more time on the strategic work, spending more time on the deep focus work. A press release is table stakes. I mean, I don't understand why people are fighting this so hard or making it seem like it's this horrible, terrible thing if AI assisted you. Yes. I use AI in my work. It streamlines a lot of tasks. It's capable of doing a lot of things and helping me to grab time back that can be used for higher value activities. So, I think people just, you know, there's like these camps setting up like you're less of a PR pro if you use it. And I think that's just wrong.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rBdRM5fL76BbJXce8KIRtdxQqzWqnQfhCrDsZnou-tZlE5m5nlHI0AF8CscMKM-4en4t0jU2YYuGY_SVGOiItAXXyQM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=477.38'>07:57</a>):</p>
<p>I'm seeing it too. I'm seeing different articles and it makes perfect sense, you know, to stay sharp. Those of us who learn how to use AI well in our work are the ones who are going to keep up and or stay ahead of the curve. If you totally table it, what's the point? I was heartened, I belong to the Philadelphia PR Association and we had a session last week with three profs from Temple, and they are helping their students do that very thing, you know, learn how to use this. They aren't -- you know, sadly, I've seen some from the English departments going, “Oh my gosh, make a go away. Like, okay, I get that to a point. But it was really heartening to see them both embrace it and truly study what does this mean for our profession moving forward? So, it's exciting too because why not try and save time? And I don't know about both of you, but many times there is that deeper strategic thinking that you sometimes don't have the opportunity to get to because you're in okay, we need this, we need that, we need this mode. This could solve for that for sure.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U3G80mYi3gaVX1JD_tKNjBNSIxxS4YXHKWC5m20tbotuQSAQteRKUAkSdM1j61PaQXka20pbMwOoCR-oBAcG7cMBWq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=558.27'>09:18</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and that's the thing. If I'm a solo or a small agency, I'm really excited about AI because it's a force multiplier for me. It is giving me resources that I would've had to pay a lot for and probably couldn't have afforded earlier. I describe AI in mid-2023 is basically like having an intern most of the time. It does a pretty decent job at what you ask it to do. Sometimes it really knocks your socks off and you're like, “Wow, that's great.” And occasionally it's just awful.  And, you've got to start over. But that's, I mean, that's what having an intern is. And you know, Karen, you described having to learn how to use it. It's the same thing if you have an intern, you have to figure out how to give them instructions correctly to get what you want.</p>
<p>Same thing with AI. You've got to learn how to give the instructions. The benefit is the AI doesn't go away after a few months. Right? And so you'll be able to continue to, and on top of that, the intern also continues to improve in that period of time. Someone said to me that, that right now AI is the worst it will ever be. Which is I think a great way of thinking about it. Despite all of the flaws that Chat GPT has and some of the image generators have, it's only going to get better. It's not going to get worse from here. So to me, that's incredibly exciting and you just have to figure out how can you take advantage of that for the work that you are doing on behalf of your clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3Tx5D1YyWLgAGxZnynFgYb5mi1ZFzTMHeXGhKV-KcMva6lGkBs59KXbH3O5YLHj7V6p37yz5l7VusAfatJVOZ3jSP0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=633.08'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/uIbwkFIaVMQ1bt28rouMY1s2m7Z02spOvjP8NizrUo8XA1GR9hd8I4G6KPE-R78bknusdhd5dyPtDAzXcktatU6L4m8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=633.93'>10:33</a>):</p>
<p>I really agree. I mean, and also funny, it's always funny to me that people are up in arms. AI is not new . It's not just really, we've been using AI for quite a few years. I hate to break it to you, but we really have. It's just, I think, come to the mainstream's attention at this point that we have artificial intelligence and there are some uses that are now becoming more popularized, but it's not new like it's been around.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3dRlZNjj90lOhUNcaAZ8bQ5R6qhIiOZEyzZVNQIZlRRZotwNDHaIgo0ULpeEhTqNY_YL99XdsACB2Jnvx-DXGFKKGAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=667.65'>11:07</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. And part of it is that AI is one of those terms that gets thrown around loosely and has been for many years. I mean, the number of companies that in the last decade have claimed that they used AI for this or that, and I knew how they were doing things behind the scenes, I'd be like, yeah, that's not really AI. And frankly, a lot of what's being called AI today I think you can debate whether it is truly AI and it's certainly not general artificial intelligence, which is something that you know, is what people historically have thought of as AI. You know, someone that's completely a robot that's completely autonomous goes out and acts just like a human. We are, as far as I know, miles away from that still.  And so, but you're right, we have been using this, I mean, how long ago was it that Google Voice added automated transcription? That was a long time ago. That was at a decade ago that they started doing it, and it was pretty awful when it started. I mean, I remember laughing at some of the transcriptions. I would get a voicemail, so I'd be like, yeah, I don't think I have that kind of relationship with my brother. I'm pretty sure . So , I mean, it did had some really bizarre stuff. And, and even today, you know, if you look at Siri, some of the stuff that that happens that you, some of the responses you get, they're awful. They're just awful. But we've been using that for years. And so it's, it's just something that, that's going to continue to get better. We need to, to not overestimate what it can do for us today, because it can't just go out and write from scratch perfectly every time.</p>
<p>So if we're expecting that that's a mistake, and I see some communicators who are building that into their plans, like, “I don't have to hire a writer because I can just use AI to do this.” Well, yeah, that might work occasionally, but what's going to happen when you count on it and you didn't book enough time and you didn't book a resource to be able to do it, now you got into trouble. So you need to be thoughtful about how you use some of these technologies and tools that are still very much in their early stages. I mean, Chat GPT is often unavailable when you go to try to use it. And it's been getting better. I see that message a lot less often now than I did a couple of months ago, but still sometimes it's not right there. And so if you're leaning on it for something that is urgent, I would think twice about that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JbEjIXO6RincRXg74xlGQKA_xz60-pTX4f6cgNuEBZT61HOTnLo6_ICWkk40IezKTGokKKuUwrriL3wuXTG2fQxdecU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=794.02'>13:14</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Or you could just pay the 20 bucks a month and always have access.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4dr2tGjOsqExGV6G8PMuVzxyrIYZbVGI7PfQnQ1Fv3T4PJ05vJ0p5Hb7Yw51dSYC8kKclJYAKZhJqoI3Dp6iQGFyTos?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=799.12'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>I still get the message even with the paid with the pro level.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SAXVUbxf9ED2pdLt1EGHF3oxACzYBbfGUR81lN384XU7d1PpL0G9Aq0r5770nErafa99xy6X7nbc0knjGos8lZnCmGs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=802.87'>13:22</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I haven't been seeing it at all since the paid, so, interesting.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D1-6u375oBEaKdBugbyp5m4Jr11STE76Hfu97au_FXrqktn-Hwe-rOjQB153w1dhbY6PIjcTHRNdjnwBtFx6oCOOEO4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=806.98'>13:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It depends on the time of day in my experience. If it's peak east coast time, you know, late morning, that's when I tend to see it the most. But I tend to use it more in the evenings anyway, since I tend to be on calls almost all day, so</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PIq-VYtJlFh_dbUgUVCEla0-q3slvhUr2ALB-wV44KIdmn6pYpieJszT26y7vmNz3p2SascTOKLYatMBP8IRg5u7w8o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=820.33'>13:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. , well, we've, we've covered AI. What other trends are you seeing Chip?</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oKzhEf9ebxTBUcLRz3eDacRiVmt91IbmnsUwTRBKI6jaTc3ExL5ZRRidKUf97iq4P9liQ3DwlrS2joC0DXWIc-5DHjc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=827.56'>13:47</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think, from a business development standpoint, anybody who is out there trying to work with clients, I think most people are seeing some degree of a slowdown in the pipeline. Not necessarily in the number of prospects are in the pipeline or even the types of projects that are there. But the, the, the length of time it takes to close a deal seems to be increasing for many agencies, many solos. That's not, it's not across the board. And I always warn people, you've got to be careful because a lot of these things are very sector specific. If you're doing work in the tech space, yeah. A lot of those folks have slowed down. Some of those have cut back on the business that they're doing with outside agencies and contractors because they're trying to be more careful. If they're laying off staff, chances are they're going to cut back on their agencies too. But that does create opportunities. And so you need to be looking for those as well, because if a company has laid off a lot of internal staff, they still have PR and marketing needs. Yeah. They might be able to turn to you on the outside to help them with that in the interim.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Rk4POodgblhJAqEGrFoIciia7NOKIN2zRnBXJ7t3XWyJGNjkEnYnULM09kLy4nIAJXTIl10uD9zCeqkvA0sYB4PNP-E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=883.66'>14:43</a>):</p>
<p>I 100% agree. I mean, there has been this weird, because the economy has, you know, been so all over the place and companies were doing layoffs, but in reality, those layoffs were not cutting to the bone. They were cutting excess because they staffed up artificially for the pandemic. So yeah. It was really a correction. And so I didn't get too up in arms about that. But investors are also driving some of the reductions as they're requiring you know, the free money era is kind of over for now because of the, you know, the interest rates and inflation and all that's going on. That money's not falling like it was before. And so they are forcing companies that, you know, once they didn't care if you were in the red, but now it's all about, you know, being in the black, which means that they have to cut back.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5bF37kU4_RqW8JZf1np9u2fwG2V39qc0sXzm0rT7XJA802Z43e9YmMvxCIHAJjQh34PjTeTljKhWLbm0wuafUA9U65c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=946.35'>15:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, and the reality is, a lot of these tech staff cuts right now have very little to do with the actual economic situation. Most of them are as, as you say, because they staffed up too quickly. Some of it is because they did the dumb things the tech companies like to do, like just hiring staff so that their competitors can't have them. And so, I mean, there have been numerous stories that I've seen of large tech companies having groups of people that sit around doing nothing. Yes. Because they were simply hired so that they wouldn't go work for the competition.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UBsO0s15rKBVDEvLcw1K2rPTAuskGFSGwaHUfrtPsxBd4WtCZfAbQkQzyqNEXqItCj1PMeAHpw6y7JrtnqjJoiW8Pg4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=974.81'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>100%.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/47KSEY4OYY6ToFy2j5ArUONYjNrl-Ifd24p0OGlr_qgpiCXmxNHk-zTj_Zb_f50s7td0LE3xhlOz78Qe8MGemHWH6Wk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=976.34'>16:16</a>):</p>
<p>That's wildly stupid</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oCSoyOP6cfOTcyUUuZB4by_jgJ-HKUcDEoMtzn7CLsOoIXu4XtvOq6ryE3IXUd-3J7ZX9XcwUg2FIo--phxkOlMbpUU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=978.44'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>. It's, which is why, you know, tech workers often had three jobs going at the same time.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NRKOkYdNeIQifr0ALT9b2Uc_W4Yj8agn78Fl8XQ-cEloEG_R_7SA_pa_nlQOqwsRG1UfVpbhl4LiGMwslmeCYJo2618?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=988.61'>16:28</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Why not ? I mean, yeah, yeah. I'm not being asked to do anything. I might as well double dip or triple dip. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OUikFCoyp_oxEWvhV-OVy9bZn7y8KBkRTn1DHl1nvKr6HkxeuIPmizcwUNIMqRspgNcmEOhXkcCy8kfY_ijH112sa7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=993.77'>16:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And then they were like, oh, got laid off from my second job. So now I only have two. I mean, how, and you know what? I 100% admire the hustle as long as they weren't breaking their employment contracts. Right. If you can do your job for three people and have added this. You know, most people these days have more than one gig anyway. You know, you have a gig and a side gig or a business and a side business. So I, maybe that's the way of the future.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p1GrxPhhNkCcRCEcY1kfOhngFqYhBcO4TqTznkmC23iZ_WzCP1DBLQHg-opX3q0w52nrESYdO3HogcHR8RG5RnXZeFw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1024.67'>17:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, and, and it's certainly something I'm a big believer in. I don't, I don't think I've ever had or haven't had a single source of income since I had hair with glasses . So that was, that was decades ago. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E6lOmwVhqRLEfq2VO4CRwhgsIZj3ayPGPQDyAYbGdyLg-GuPlGmFUto5gUqIcDKjjVuhpxD1A9l5pz__DBqqDtyOiTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1037.74'>17:17</a>):</p>
<p>I would definitely, you know, it's, it's back to that older adage. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. I'm a big believer in that, to have multiple channels of income always. Because you can't rely on one source and if your job is your one source, as we know, you have very little control over what happens with that job.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JWlmJMVGDgTf9dFMFprp6pDmW9CwufA2M8HvxTR64FMzbBeWP7REFoLWx7u1Yqjk0kNl1GtCqa7P6H_jZWVKAbhlTcE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1057.69'>17:37</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think also, creative ambitious people, variety is a good thing too. I mean, for me, that's a big piece of it. I mean, yes, it's, it's nice to have diversification, but a lot of it is just, it gives me different things to focus on at, at different points in the day or week. And so I enjoy that. And I know a lot of other people who are the same way. They just want something else to, to interest them and, and pursue and they don't have to worry about one thing 24 7.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/F0PWqSN6tB_rhQrkVlDiL81m_NTjVZNmpic210VXgwMVjUsjTAYfKm8b5prv4O6UCzq_pp4exA62GBcYfbzHxiBC4B4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1080.75'>18:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. Yeah. I think a lot of PR people are like that too. Oh my God. I think we would go insane if it was just PR  .</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xwtQ4MlZMJdS51QPk82xGdUBLEIhPglJ8w5kCjYA1XOo1GGY_2Fbca7QdddlkswPF1Ji-qbvIi2ZRNrvavrzOBEOJJM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1090.29'>18:10</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think that's the other trend that we probably can touch on here, which is that PR is becoming much less traditional. There are very few folks who practice PR today that can practice it the same way they did 15 or 20 years ago. You really need to have a much broader skillset set. And I think AI is certainly going to accelerate that need because there's going to be a demand from clients for you to do more than simply basic media relations. So, when I'm talking with an agency that does simply media relations, they've got to have a real strong differentiator to be able to make a solid go of that in 2023. It's just, you really need to have a much broader skillset in order to be able to work with clients effectively.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ytO-5zwZ6XN99DI19UjE37M735_21K0q8-KPX_mxeNRW_zgI73Hh2vW1MO0MC9eaLD3ELpCbA0KtLbmMy_fW2E10X8g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1137.27'>18:57</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I completely agree with you. That media landscape is not your friend right now. It is ugly out there. It doesn't mean that you can't get opportunities. But again, this is not new. I can remember saying this, you know, five years ago, like, do not lean on one lever in your public relations practice. Now that does not mean that there are people that cannot focus and specialize. You absolutely can do that. People have done that with great success where they are honed in on a specialty, and that's what they do. They don't do me media relations at all. They, they have a specialty. We have some pros that they only do media relations. That's all they do. They don't do anything else. Doesn't mean that they're doing it the same way that they were doing it 20 years ago, but that's their specialty. That's their area of expertise.</p>
<p>But for those that are a little more general and have a robust practice, you need to utilize all of the things that are in our tool bag. And I think for every single person, no matter what your area of specialty is, you really need to be a strategist. Yes. I'm very surprised how many people lean on the tactical and there's no strategy and they're not aligned with the business goals that is not going to fly. Right. Going forward. You may have been able to skate by on the tactical for a period of time. I truly believe those days are over. And that you are going to have to get very comfortable with speaking the language of the business. And you have to be very confident in presenting metrics and aligning with goals that matter, not yes, the goals that matter to you as a PR person, but the goals that matter to your clients, to their business. You have to be comfortable talking about how you're supporting the bottom line. If you're not comfortable with that, you're going to not be chosen or you're not going to keep jobs with those large enterprise companies because they care. They do care about their bottom line and they care about drawing the line from PR to revenue. And, and I know I, I've heard people say this, well, you can't. Yes, you can. You can measure your efforts. </p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0-zYa-NaR62w0Ix0A_kyXue6K5dtHPFUAC7_ohEqu0vdEAAl4XO1PTwIg_kdHCR2kQ3onBZK2VQlnSPnekUkeIhRP04?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1269.1'>21:09</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. But also, measure, report your results to clients. Don't report your efforts. Because that's, I mean, I see these reports that are being delivered to clients where it's like, “We pitched X number of reporters,” Who cares? I don't care how many people you pitched or how many emails you sent out. What did you generate from that? Right? Now I'm okay with you saying, we pitched 50 reporters and got no bites. If you're saying, look, we need to look in a different direction, I think that's helpful. But if you're doing it simply to say, Hey, we tried really hard. Yes. Okay. I mean, there's not a participation medal here in the kind of work that we do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/QfCaXuuRaX7_kXSNdHySejxOwUmWuCllYmMArkJXoxJkXX7liPbt3CSD1kbVHTa-Ogy-LfoztkJb74-Y_7DC3313nuU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1305.94'>21:45</a>):</p>
<p>No, no.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t0bgnSqOh77MMj9lVUzSVFmNw-RU5AH1vE2Dzkkr7GsY1tYqmFrqzs6r0CC-rk81YCb6lc6AmOV_Oq2WXU0Nv_STZIc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1307.8'>21:47</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I mean, recently we had to share with a client that a particular piece of news was just not interesting to the media. And so then in that case, you do need to summarize what the response was, what you were hearing. And then better than that, we suggested a new strategic plan because this was something that they had been doing. And we said, don't do that anymore. It doesn't work. No one cares.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0z9MaxTBhBc35yf098qpPu2iMSh_IO00NM-adjxs6kj2diOWJoNXAmCjGGysVfiHL4QWOUVMSK8LoCqOEOTMERfGfhM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1332.43'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>And you should do that because if you're just an order taker and are executing bad orders, it's going to be reflecting on you. They don't sit there and say, “Oh, I gave dumb instructions.” They say, “My agency, my solo was just awful.”</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Uh9lHUBd3ZIf6gQN-HdLvCWHq2HqvQ4ZJBbC6LYKI6kl_oXxWaOmojBqQxiLHulVtiX77vnqxwvHX4v59byTF-4L9hc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1344.43'>22:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4mPUPiqiqX6gcXkZoAkh4GuMDI_yz-I3YDspiJJeuavw4VKoOl7CG-gHSikJ0-H6pyulc3pEd1mO2oiePDv43JHM2BU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1345'>22:25</a>):</p>
<p>Even though they were just following your instructions. So if you get bad instructions, bad guidance, bad requests, push back, tell them it's not a good idea.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qG4pUJs4_w9dxjeEqzJAKkFlzQo5iYewjQy8fL9vP0o2IdHnjmVSinzuqnK-lGMOyAPEj4ABbWhkYgCxDHrBzkMISwo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1352.74'>22:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.  and that speaks back to the need to focus on strategy. It's like, why are you doing this, this, why, what is your goal? I think those are the first questions you always need to be thinking of and always need to be asking.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/599NAMsRwAjsORGL736T7ApWjWVxkZu4Pr4NRpKZMXX679Y04qzpsDKXxBz1CG-AkxUI4C0ECIpOCSWZMwuLlTFtTpo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1372.39'>22:52</a>):</p>
<p>And AI helps you to do that to come full circle in our conversation.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/g0RjUn4W7D5OHts_SRKnu1vHQpfa5Tvgd1JHk6GPylR34bYkBJII1KbxJ8GCyYNgKhbZ1TPOVEbx7FiBi7DswPsnNfE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1376.92'>22:56</a>):</p>
<p>I was just going to say , what if we had some kind of online mechanism to help us ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7Ki6vrs4bvJZl3uerXwPDjXYHHsFw8jumQFXTaPXdSE6Y7xnfzAevymgI1d85QVRFYViYSPriSsi-2e7b9pfOZHM7u0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1384.09'>23:04</a>):</p>
<p>So anything else that you're seeing out there, Chip, that we should be aware of? Because you deal with agencies and enterprise and you are the man in the know.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1Qp09Uif5ATbYO6Or-vczUQBYk62eCkyQ3TZsgfwvNAbOC1rd9igBFWktcCmB26LwSYkPc_N6ehC1qSbWkEE-Tu6i3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1394.58'>23:14</a>):</p>
<p>I think the other thing, and, I'm not sure whether it's a trend that something that's been going on for a long period of time, but I think because of some of the economic conditions, particularly inflation is getting worse, is the inability of folks to correctly price their services. And that is something that I think is going to become an acute problem, given that costs are rising so substantially for most of us in the work that we're doing in the lives that we lead. And if you're not pricing correctly, that's a problem. What I hear people say is, “Well, geez, but this client will never pay more than this, or they've always paid this, or this is what we charge in our old agency.” None of that matters. It matters how much it costs you to deliver services today. And if you're not pricing based off of what it actually costs you to deliver the services, then you're going to have a problem. And it doesn't matter whether the client's willing or unwilling to pay that amount. It's, the reality is you got to charge more than it costs, otherwise you fail.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O7n4O3hGcukbKZsRVMCm1uAF3M7qRASYjp3GYJ9aO7B6juMvN7qmN67amYSsbGZGl_1zKyOB54_01b2c3PDjZlhThNc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1452.95'>24:12</a>):</p>
<p>I love that advice. And I would encourage our solos. I've said this before and I think we did, we added it in a recent blog post, but pricing is not just about the cost of the services or your cost per hour. Pricing is also a marketing strategy. And it plays into how prospective clients see you. We all know that, there's definitely science behind this, and it's science that's used by everyone that sets prices. Your prices are too high, way too high, then it's going to turn your market off. Your prices are too low, it's going to cause them to think of you as a budget option, and it's going to diminish the value that they see that they get from you. And so you really have to find that place where your prices are high enough that they communicate that you are offering a quality, thoughtful service and not solo, that they think of you as just a replaceable freelancer. You're just another cog. And unfortunately, I still do see so many solos price or services so low that they're, they're doing things for rates that I wouldn't, there's, I would not take a phone call for some of the rates that you charge a client per month. It's not enough money. So consider that and, and what happens, you end up having these clients that don't want to pay you the meager amounts of money that you're charging them. They require you to overservice them for that tiny amount of money. They're the worst clients in the world. You want to price yourself higher. And I will tell you that the more money that you earn in your career, it not only helps people to see you differently, it helps you to see yourself differently. It's hard to think of yourself as a value professional. If you're charging a client a thousand dollars a month and it really should be 10, it's very, you start to see yourself, you shrink your own value down to that thousand dollars level and not at that $10,000 level.</p>
<p>So do yourself a favor and start to get confident to raise your rates and you can raise them on new clients because as you get more new clients, you can then go and sift away the bottom feeders. But we, nobody needs that in their life. Don't do that. You know, don't price yourself so low that people don't see the talent that you have. And then you start to believe that in your head too, and you start to become what you're charging and that's not okay when the price is too low.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/O9WWiFjIIn0vSsnyfymb15tPsxcz_KmoQUAtqosm4aRoO1kvWrLNckn7UHcL-hJWvQ_cvDZDWR49lrZVHNeH8Ta6fTk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1616.91'>26:56</a>):</p>
<p>Couldn't agree more.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZukF6oYatgAFshMCIhuSUSkFJU_0kEywKGmcUX7wKQJP9O5ClxCxGGX2_fx8U6BB1n8h_RN6Icms8PfngNNi1mWUPWM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1618.11'>26:58</a>):</p>
<p>I'm so glad that you described pricing as a positioning tool because it absolutely is. And I think people underestimate that and the message that you send to the marketplace about the value of what you're delivering. I will say that I do what I preach is what I call floor to ceiling pricing. And I do think that before you start looking at how you're using pricing or positioning or how you get into value pricing or charge premiums, you need to know your floor. And I think that that too many solos and small agencies have no idea what it truly costs them to deliver and what that minimum price is that they need to charge in order to make what they're looking to make. And I do think you need to know that floor first, then absolutely. Go find that ceiling by trying these different things and, and trying different positioning and char try value pricing and those kinds of things. But don't come into those things until you know what it actually costs you to deliver. Otherwise, you may be putting yourself in an even worse position.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fa0mHQ81itu4UPd3IvIj8K_h_EiBrVP_rOfbKAl5v-N04HErTZzGRfOUj4WapEwzstLqvPyZRchVTwFHdsshlF6Q1EI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1676.52'>27:56</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, we have minimum budget amounts. We have minimum budgets for ongoing clients. We also do projects, we fit in projects every quarter. We have a certain amount and we have minimum project pricing, period. Because we know that anything below that, we can't really be effective. And there, it's written down. So it's not something that we have to guess at every single time. Like, oh, what should that be? No, we have a minimum. And if somebody comes in and they're below our minimum, then we can say that like, I'm sorry, this is below our minimum. If you have more budget, here's what we could do for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HJKUH-6tsSR10yHrBrWzFeJC0PYjOVcm6uIzVCPA4gL86JdCGSf8-3BsUvib6z19cXBiS2vBCJSeFp8pYWR6O8Wpuis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1710.12'>28:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right, exactly. And keeping in mind, too, there's room for scaling within your floor to ceiling concept.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q8Nx9F2bdXu5jTEkm314bmdu5rw-obeRf4to-J248TV4uI2yvmJaCe9LB76Pbbuzyi0oJFT97x8nJqnpzExajNQwZ0E?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1718.01'>28:38</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_G7Jgt6jMqBe0vy-XmTMuPa9V7DASfeXhw7KKZ097suW4LAACV0FsrnuBNFcmYnukcN0IH2UvIS42xVgxifdEn4ot4A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1718.44'>28:38</a>):</p>
<p>You can still be effective, but just having that transparency with the prospect or the client, just so they know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/P_-QcECNMtcSC-gWvThD2EAxCYDtePTllPpQFv8p00gzNktMFzBQ7nqVVnCuKeqpyLywduwSZeqAkrfez2GV9xwF3SA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1729.41'>28:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I would say, hang out in circles, hang out with people that are where you want to be. There's something truly transformative in that. I can remember, for me, I was early on in my PR career and I was at a Solo PR Pro summit and they had people close their eyes and raise their hands at their rate per hour. Shiny new girl that I was, was blown away by how many people were raising their hand at charging $400 an hour. To me back then that was like, “Oh my God, really?” But it was eye opening. And so yeah, being in a space with people that were charging those amounts and had been doing it and were doing well helped me to elevate my thinking and understand what the possibilities were, because I honestly didn't know. Since then, I've been in rooms with people in different industries. You know, I was with somebody recently that had a 10 million project and it wasn't 10 million for 10 years . And all he did was strategy.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/p9OZbJ40rl0hw1Hu2IbyoMsKyxmC52dVC0wYtlHI-oqOky3csrbhySC2PaQxhELwPi60H30D0u4H3mOopFzJOkDNo1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1798.34'>29:58</a>):</p>
<p>Dreamy</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SgW-QhEI-aXy1J9N-I9AqgywymKK0h22Vc6cxXi8TALn2Kdt80MOHpNpdDvfQ0SkYxBRmTtliF7fSfiHOQmlwwGRr8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1798.76'>29:58</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm like, I’m a strategist too. I'm actually really good at strategy . So, again, being in rooms with people that are doing exactly what you're capable of, you have a brain, you know how to think, you know how to use it. And seeing what others are willing to pay for that really does help you to start to get outside of your own box. And it starts to erase the limitations that we sometimes place on ourselves. And so I would advise you to do that. Stop hanging out with people that are charging $50 an hour. And start going into those spaces where people are charging more, getting more learning what they're doing and hearing that and adopting that for yourself.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qT3tftIeO6Qrj_OdE0ix1O8PCVSnGjlYbC-Xwkb5ZNj4mguHqfeyFbDBcbh4fj-JxOYxMgRY1rVVgbtFMlV6RYcpeTg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1839.3'>30:39</a>):</p>
<p>And I know plenty of solos who charge less than $50 an hour, which is crazy in 2023. I mean, these are people with decades of experience. It makes no sense to me. You need to know how to understand your own worth. You need to be realistic about it because otherwise you will continue to sell yourself short and good clients are willing to pay more than you think they are. The bad clients are the ones who want to nickel and dime you</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/W395RjwnQW3v0vig-N56BgjZhfF7LyHlsY_esBMkOmcszgD0oH4gMvjiTsL2BVX7hZFOgY5ECCnE_hI7h2ChbQGg6vM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1866.07'>31:06</a>):</p>
<p>And micromanage you, just to top it all off and I would say even practitioners who maybe it's at the tail end of their career and it's just for fun, or to keep them busy, but, please don't undercut your prices because that hurts the whole profession. So get that money  that you deserve and it, you know, it lifts all of us to where we really should be.</p>
<p>Chip Griffin (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7aRejhJgbfUGkE_4BeStRq1WYGRSganOGARLDZAEbaJ44Ds4mbpq830YByB1zYJuc61vyChHzP5PBs6kuxc--fNnUew?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1892.23'>31:32</a>):</p>
<p>Amen.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jvf2-fKroCda78vvTlWl3owKAXLaORGaTEhJp292uQpQIJ0Ooh5XZd58bSNRPPFHwXPr7IfwqqWpBcEs9_h7-_8pSjs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1893.07'>31:33</a>):</p>
<p>And that sounds like a good note to,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-f_z0rNLqWhPF4dttZFdRmLr5bJ9lzAmu0CW-MCLl5w4TRGVf3VEnbbFiMarFAssLHB3-DwgYUf7FI7xRBdRqlxwJXE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1895.62'>31:35</a>):</p>
<p>It does</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eRRWWQFEw8ZL6gSGG3HrhWJyke3oBOU4EWjsMX7sMSITUWmgmqfKKqD3EN47wrck7mbZ9mQGxqhOfl2u1_QIVdQYrqI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1896.58'>31:36</a>):</p>
<p>end on that. We should use AI, charge higher prices, think better of yourself and you'll do better work for your clients. But before we go, and Michelle's going to take us out, I just want to remind everybody, we recently reached a huge milestone of recording over 200 episodes of this program.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/baAKsJBagZ14gTkbqUZF0UfJSGbNDNn9m5GBWKhZXDk6aj8N4cUI4_8UzhWkFyu7DIgB34LR28TKQvRIhnpH00O9K1k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1919.62'>31:59</a>):</p>
<p>Whoo!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GBKKKOSlc8h_Yp1aaTXyBWY7B8ClQm2k9gbe0coFP2XwDiXqhNxoGV2VMUfspzEegQQyrFnoWJhUDcJZEENeScWwaqw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1921.06'>32:01</a>):</p>
<p>We're working on ourselves, , and we want to reach more people because there aren't a lot of PR focused podcasts that have been around for as long as we have. And we've been really consistent and we feel like we're just getting started. We're having the time of our life. We get to talk with great smart thinkers like Chip. So please, please, please, before you exit with us today, hit the subscribe button, follow our channel, subscribe to us, follow us on your favorite podcast app. We always have the podcast also on our website at soloprpro.com. You just hit the back slash button for the podcast. You can listen there, but please subscribe and share, share, share, share. We want you to tell all of your other colleagues about it and even the people that aren't in PR Yeah. Can gain something from the episodes. Because we talk about a lot of business topics that apply outside of our industry. So do us that favor and thank you for staying with us, but please share, please, like stay tuned. More to come  more chip to come .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PrtVm1kBzgWJ0eAISIf39NV8ErgdAXKOQr0_ZhXGOJXqBh9EGaQrzLTJIofdRzbv3Nhnf0IuUAjgbj9SKY7D4r4wsok?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1987.76'>33:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, absolutely. And I'll even issue a challenge if you found one good nugget in today's episode, thanks to Chip in this great conversation, use that, share that, hashtag us #solopr. That would be wonderful. Be good for you, good for us, good for everybody. But we also want to thank Chip Griffin for spending all of this time with us. He is with these small Agency Growth Alliance. Please check them out. What's the best  URL for that, Chip?</p>
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<p>smallagencygrowth.com.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane</p>
<p>Boom. We thank you so much for spending this time with us and until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. And today we have a guest. We are absolutely thrilled to be joined once again by Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance. Hello, Chip.
Chip Griffin (00:26):
It is great to be back here. I love being with the two of you.
Michelle Kane (00:29):
Ah, likewise, likewise.
Karen Swim, APR (00:31):
We are so excited. This totally makes our week. Thank you so much for hanging out with us, .
Chip Griffin (00:36):
Thank you for having me.
Michelle Kane (00:37):
So we're talking trends today and top of mind for most people in PR and beyond is of course AI. It's, you know, it's being thrown around in the news and people either are using it or are afraid of it, are just completely ignorant of it. But it's here. And, you know, Solo PR Pros, we like to think of ourselves as savvy smarties. We're just wondering what's, what's your take of what you're seeing out there right now?
Chip Griffin (01:12):
Well, my wise guy answer that I gave to an agency owner who asked me a couple of weeks ago about it, I said, “AI, what, what's that? I haven't really heard much about this.”  And he had first thought I was serious.   In any case, I mean, look, AI is absolutely top of mind for just about everybody right now. It is something that, I don't think I've had a conversation with any agency owner who hasn't brought it up. It is something that all communicators are talking about. Some are afraid of it, some are excited about it. Very few are really squarely in the middle as far as I've seen. And I think that really it's just incumbent upon folks to learn as much as they can about what new opportunities exist out there and figure out how they can implement it within their own businesses. Whether you are a solo or in-house or whatever, there's a lot of things that you can do with AI to make you more effective, more efficient. And I would be focused on that rather than on the, the scary side of it that a lot of people like to dwell on from time to time.
Michelle Kane (02:09):
Right, right. Like the recent letter of doom from hundreds of tech leaders, .
Chip Griffin (02:17):
Right. Well, and you have to keep in mind that, that a lot of time, I mean, if you have the people who are already involved in AI saying, “Hey, we need to regulate it,” usually that's because they want to protect their own stake. And you see this in many industries. The large players often call for more regulation because it keeps out upstarts and it protects their position. So I would take that with a grain of salt, personally.
Michelle Kane (02:40):
Yeah. Nice big shaker of salt.
Karen Swim, APR (02:44):
Yeah. It reminds me of every technological invention that has ever happened, how there is this fear that it's going to disrupt our way of life. And I'm not saying that the concerns around AI are not well founded. They are. So, as communicators, I agree with you, we need to use it. We need to learn it. And we also do need to be aware of the risk and the concerns around it so that we can guard against that. So one big one for me is understanding how AI can be used to spread mis information, which is a growing problem, and it has been for many years, and it continues to be something that we really have to deal with. So you really have to understand it so that you can educate your clients and so you know how to monitor their brand reputation, because you don't want false statements attributed to clients. You know, if anybody's operating without crisis plans,]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Do you make it easy for clients to do business with you? Are your systems designed to communicate with ease? It all comes down to good customer service. There are times when that can be the thing that leads a prospect or client to choose you or the competition.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mCvd_HErUFClu-yYPc_wu4X_JB_UBskxNa_0qurXj_F0yi25xLB3VIANVwsFgrPs2Vuin9GG4sdbi6fkE_cC9t6G3eQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.26'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qMg1fq1OagZN4ixiccqbzuwZvvnXww5xrGY4K9BW0eN9D2M4yH5nBLHyda-ZTr3mHPmc-9DRRKbzN8cfj4NkTj6MC3I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.03'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing fantastic, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VWWbD5tdRR59Yjx0wOrrzFud-UXdxLMk8Wc1FxafnrljAz3QI0APLtB6OYSgWfUG9391P8QWZCwsE6AUb2O4SguRKfc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=35.64'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I am well, oddly perky. Must be the coffee kicking in .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D6OcHBGrGSoXQwEfoUDGfxg0WjcmJR5wQF0UXYKuz9MutEJYUJmMOGBXYtFRktroUKgB3xRCAynueejPqqETvrwLTz8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.24'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>I'm oddly perky too. And I think that that is, because sometimes chaos forces you to roll with the punches. Oh, true. And you just are like going to roll with it. It's fine. I'm fine. </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EOw2yXOLFXxHyJkXhveba5ddA3QyWUE8VjiNjrgJU7iBl4etowMaDZna2Dmf0z02IT31DlvFm0vinenHF9QnSU0XLv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=52.77'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>Keep swimming. We'll get through .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K1rntAJvrLxt_4YnAbL7hJTTIT5E_gyvxL9hLKP6OZtisv73o1m8ShMt74nSDgwASQ3DALB60D_X7S1MGeF2ucW0B20?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=56.13'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3qwOzSQQbcoqdWOhkyz1LzCyRmky-MuXbe26PYA-pch_xKAMhULCoP-wV8uiXygjCigmLWoV0jOaHujp-Zd6dlm432Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=57.66'>00:57</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I am, I'm excited about the topic today. We're going to talk about, how do I phrase it? The way we work, right? How do we communicate with each other? How do we communicate with vendors? And I'm, and we're talking about from the viewpoint of we are solos, but we are of course also small businesses and how that impacts, you know, how you accomplish your goals at work, how you get things done. You know, are you a project management person? Are you, you know, always on Slack, that kind of thing. Just our, just going to talk about some best practices. Oh, and maybe some pet peeves too. Who knows</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q8yid-Kcr1cMQ1Ls-Fig6Y_1lrTgPPX4-p0hfAUGMGmJT0hT2ZUr_JegekQZ95mlp69xwdpkzmPA1PktReRsJiwC2_c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=94.33'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>. Yeah. Because small business is obviously quite important in the larger, you know Yeah. Ecosystem of getting things done and work and hiring people. But you have small businesses that truly look like small businesses because they lack a certain level. I don't even want to say sophistication, because that's the wrong word. Right. But they're missing components that you'll get from a bigger business. And as solos, we want to always make sure that we are, although small, that we're mighty. And that we are delivering service levels that are equivalent to our larger counterparts. And that we're not missing key, key things that we can be doing that can make us stand apart. Because you can be small and look totally small, and when you look totally small in the wrong ways, because you know, there's a difference between having a boutique or a micro agency where you get a higher level of personalized touch.</p>
<p>Things are not, you know, as templated where, you know, they're getting a level of quality and they're getting senior level help that they might not get. And then being small and looking small as in like you're an amateur. Right. And that, you know, and so I know that within our community, it's one of the reasons why our solo PR community in particular pushes back hard against the term freelance pr. Right. And I believe that it's because for so many freelance at one point in history did connotate someone who wasn't truly running a business, but was just kind of taking a gig here or there. And it felt like one level above hobbyist. I will say, and I, dear solos, I love you, but freelance no longer has that negative association. But I completely understand, you know, the distinction as well. And I never re refer to myself as a freelance PR person, but I'm also not offended if, if that's how somebody wants to categorize me, as long as they, you know, are treating me like an agency and paying me like, you know, they're supposed to and not pay me. Like, you know, I'm,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sLUkPTEDIqHGVhJyZJT_dyAoIJdYTbsBVHG_3NMEO_N1GfSng91XRsf27KekXffD-Ca72hBJ_w-p0Bj-L5HK7YdXxEg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=232.11'>03:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Just don't have this money</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3Si8AmlI2K6QWWIL953kDvvx3qkegGdSfbS8kA3wDnVvg_s-O_mJ6WzY5y6d-3P5FMdD29h55AYUaEpphTIaoTDeOpc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=233.74'>03:53</a>):</p>
<p>Experience and job. Yeah. Like, oh, I just need to buy a Starbucks today. Isn't that cute? And I don't really care. . Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JuGc_wIpQIEAuvFm6SJ6MPHYcnQhkGB69FpSipU-I_6vdWKebg0xWJT6fYMRBkVw6EkrSAvELkocfDm16YJjlm00__Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=240.82'>04:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. . Yeah. And,  I think a lot of it has to do with communication between yourself Yes. And vendors between yourself and your clients. Just, you know, how that happens, what the expectations are. And you know, a lot of us who have worked either in-house or, you know, been employed by someone first, it's like, yeah, I call it office bootcamp, right. Because I came up, I spent my summers working in the accounts payable department at one company. So, it's like osmosis. You take it all in. Not that you say, well, this is how I'm going to work forever. But, you know, and then eventually working for an agency, you just take in like, oh, when someone asks you to do something, you let them know, okay, this is a timetable. It's like, yes. Common courtesy. Yes. Or, you know, you get to observe different systems and just then really mold that into your, the way that you work. Especially as most of our clients are probably not fellow business owners like us, for the most part. They're, these are people who own or work in companies. So it really helps to have that and if you haven't, that's fine, but just be open to following their lead, really.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4KBHdpKP1EzKS6DLbrvfOFDOtXBKMSzojXLR1qxjGe_TtnF-idtSH9Jy5po-VAznsKRJllA5rq-WB45-CcGXXDOsyPQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=322.64'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I agree. And you hit on something that I've noticed, and you and I have chatted about this of course, as solos, we also not only are small business owners, but we love supporting small business owners.  And that's a good feeling when you have more of a direct connection to the person that's producing the product or service. I find that very gratifying. And it makes me feel good that I'm contributing to the economy in a meaningful way, that you actually are supporting someone else's livelihood. And I love to do that. However, I've also, like all of you, had my share of frustrations with small businesses that are not matching even the basic service levels and communication is way high on the list for me. And so, as solos, we have to make sure that we are not making people feel like they're losing by having a smaller agency.</p>
<p>Just because you don't have five offices across the globe and, you know, 10,000 people does not mean that clients should be left in the dark about, you know, what you're doing, how you're doing it. If they ask you a question, you know, it shouldn't linger you. You need to, you need to establish on a regular basis, you know how you're communicating. And if a client asks you to report something in a way, or to respond to something in a way or on a channel that really is very different from your workflow, it doesn't mean that you have to do everything that they say the way that they say do it. But you need to have a conversation about that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WJjAU9gGDhdbn_pOc0fGwr08bAhprow_jeTxC7bUYALZmQT5Knb3Mt5_2Z-O9p8zxtFY3sX3c8zwOgzhMmmMQimfsCM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=424.55'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it's, it's all part of the, the expectation management. Yeah. Especially at the outset and, you know, setting those parameters. And, you know, even in the day-to-day communications, I mean, to me, Slack is a wonderful thing because to me, you know, being a…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dgDY-jtUIsD2BDd-LuI4Q75OWd6LIx8LE44caV2m5gd66T2j2VKtItwSNoUQljdsauIa0DUn57x70v_quculPQL9EdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=442.18'>07:22</a>):</p>
<p>An email.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NNLQu2fUa7WLpeXnuq4dBIk9tfboF8EWltFvzE9CPyklBAlPJJL5a3PzPUWqvE352ivK49LBAvqrpZdAdjjxLbx0dgM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=443.48'>07:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And being a certain age, I like to have something documented. So, if a client prefers to do business completely via text, that's crazy making for me. Because I have to look down at something. Yes, I have a desktop text, you know, thing. But still I can't, not that I print out emails anymore, but when I did, it's like, I can't print this text out. This is crazy. Well now I don't, I can't go back to that anyway.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kcSdOs5NartsJsskFoOT69msDjhA3PjSEZPutomt5rQ4r3bl7Qw7VU1VeJhzdJkkG9jvBRaKEypENcOsDLE5KVZTN7A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=471.05'>07:51</a>):</p>
<p>It's not in a threaded nice threaded conversation that you can find, please. And there are things that definitely be do not belong in email that don't, you know, do not need that level of documentation. Quick questions, you know, quick, Hey, correct.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E2sIN78hCbgi8VZGy-HVacSWkZieXm0yoKRg4cYMwnGQBnB4lLu4UoVU5zCJUNMsPjAlB-YbuUh1iK5H8dp5MrYf0AI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=483.65'>08:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fNB89U_bj8MfnhH4gtL-Ta-pJ9XDJWPalSzoB9vW7l8JtdHmIzgzZ3n26Mp-EPGrDYlmU5ELB9R2uYbO7hPurmgxqn8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=484.28'>08:04</a>):</p>
<p>This published, I don't really need that in my email. Right. But you know, I think it also comes down to being a small business and doing your part to make it easy to engage with you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hLSxyUnC3HKMQfMO-n8b0odUsdbbX7Mcfj9L05v5SYiC5cTYRGaZMZNJ8YFOCQlRTFGjo7QrAb3YrVukOl8upheR1vg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=497.54'>08:17</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, a hundred percent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_cWhbWNMswnnffcKUinhXOHQBq91sHLUIm4TEJ9tLoqbCLYdtgn850VTaWkbLJiFKaGDLBQ4IH33UP3_k2gtpvCkDYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=499.16'>08:19</a>):</p>
<p>Here's some tensions. Payments is one. This is, this could be a source of tension,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XWmd_5yecEDaZVTgrYa8HvzoX7O68CnC9tkdJvjXKsVzzDzMQ1DbZM44xwpd31L6ULfPRrD2OrF5C9XXZTIoMghSz00?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=506.87'>08:26</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PxB1ZNuBCdzPk1B_hsnjOnJCjH4Hbq1LwmBkzWh2ncPjFQj_oYH7g6h6BcBnMnHzfBX3o0e1UNH7WCQBp5r1HfqFafg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=507.15'>08:27</a>):</p>
<p>You need to make it easy for people to pay you. And I understand that sometimes clients have owner systems that are completely out of their control. If you have enterprise clients and you know that oftentimes there's, I'm going to say almost always there could be an onboarding process because they use somebody that manages their independent contractors. Just be aware that's their program. It's not going to change for you. Don't fight it. Don't make it hard for them to engage you because you don't understand their system. Sometimes there's going to be, you know, not only a contract, but there's going to be a master service agreement and then purchase orders. And sometimes those purchase orders have to be done monthly. Sometimes they can be for the extent of the agreement, it just depends on how their budgeting works. And so you need to be prepared that sometimes on the client end there are just things that you cannot rail against because they don't have any other alternative to offer you.</p>
<p>But you shouldn't take it as a personal affront that they're asking you to do these administrative things. And it's burdensome for a small business because again, yes, we are small businesses, but on some things we have to be able to play in the same way that larger companies do. There are other policies that definitely, like there are things in contracts that definitely you should challenge sometimes. And, and that again, yeah, these are conversations that we have. I've been onboarded by clients where I had to go through a whole onboarding system. I had to have a background check. Everybody on my team had to have a background check. We had to go through their security clearance system, we can only access through their system. So it did mean downloading another tool, logging into something else doing this. We had to have a company email.</p>
<p>We were fine to email from our emails, but we still had to have this company email to access other things. So you roll with it and you make it easy for your client to do business. You don't put up these barricades like, I'm small, you're asking me to do too much. Or no, you can't pay me digitally. And if you do, it's an extra charge or you're, you know, you have to think about these things as you're setting rates for your clients and ensure that you are including the full cost of doing business outside of those costs that are expenses. So we're not talking about expenses, but you do need to make sure that your contracts specify expenses such as press release distribution are a separate line item. They'll be pre-approved before they're billed back to you.</p>
<p>But yeah, those are not part of the retainer, so, some people, I mean, I just had this with a vendor that I'm working with. I do not write checks. I do not have cash. And half the time I'm not around when the service is performed, please give me a way to pay you digitally. And then I have a record of it, by the way, I do want a record because otherwise am I just giving you cash? And then I've got to keep a record of I paid you on this date in like a paper notebook. Like that's, that's not making it easy for me to do business. And by the way, there are competitors that will have better communication, give me the same exact service for the same exact price. And I can pay them digitally with no problems, no questions asked, and, you know, get a better level of personal service. So as solos, we have to be careful that we're not creating these unnecessary hurdles for our prospective clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3qHooUhSCTIFuv-gu0SwGQeyJiBncu1Ub77dgm6L5_8sLWW4IIek9syMRvHail9Hxvujh8VB3jI5IfJ3Tgjf45rmis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=729.31'>12:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right. I mean, I consider part of customer service is to make it easy for you to pay me - what a beautiful thing. But in other things too, and everything communicates - everything we do. Not to make us too paranoid, or looking over our shoulder, but you know, the tone in your emails, the way and how often you might communicate or not communicate. Everything we do communicates something. And that doesn't mean that the receiver of that communication realizes that at the time, but it builds. So, you know, as a business owner, my goal is always to provide the best experience possible knowing that we're all human. And my guess is if we have our own solo shop, we're probably pretty hard on ourselves. And I mean, I've had times where I've gone to clients and said, oh my goodness I cannot believe that. So sorry, you know, flogging myself. And thankfully I'd like to think probably because of building up that subconscious goodwill through good communication, they've been like, oh, what that? Oh no, it's fine. And I think, oh, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0bo-2hOpz-lBptQZU6C6_1fRXgBn2-eqEqDtPtfY4bYm1Pozx4AEv_ENJ2fhrnpOwXimzhDhhaCtCeMXiBjHF5FGyKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=794.56'>13:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ysQjBXJcwE1tPJCTvWBmdAuiehPPd35RfjcfqL9hgPren_Pn478D0bV0WlP-ibbw7XDYo6tvEyeSqrapeoPLYOQxDAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=795.31'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>And then I wonder, yes. Oh, okay,  good. So, it's just something to keep in mind as we operate, and I think it also does us all a good service as we do build our businesses. If we do carry out just our communications in a way that, that makes the profession look good, right? Because we, especially in PR, we are always fighting that battle on some level, you know, fighting against the flack connotation or the superficial, you just throw parties, we're always was fighting against that. So any way that you can elevate the way that you do business with other people, and that can be clients and vendors alike is a positive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/APfyZGeYPyKf5LXPTIS7r4BrWwbehwaF_qRjQ_te6arcb7cnp-IKVsvwseBfY24XGrtAydZkvjBbjJD94k39yW0RwWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=839.62'>13:59</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And I will tell you, a friend of mine, one of my best friends shared one of his businesses is real estate and he was sharing, I know his mortgage broker or the person that he was using as his mortgage broker. And now that person was great and was able to get deals done and understood like how to work with investors and creative financing and how to work with self-employed people and how to work with people that have multiple LLCs. Just amazing. So it's not that he was very smart, you know, very responsive, his team was great. The service was great. There was nothing wrong with it. But then he had to work with this other guy and this guy made it easier for him to do business. So rather than having to go to this other guy and have to check in before every offer was made, and then have him do a whole new approval letter. The new mortgage guy has a portal, and the minute you're approved, you and your client have access to the portal. You can go in and you can run the calculator based on the house what you are planning to offer. It includes taxes and all the fees so that you can see your mortgage payment and everything prior to even generating. And then you can generate offer letters for as long as you need to until you are under contract. All streamlined and automated. And so my friend loves that. He and the client are empowered to keep moving at his fast pace and not having to take that extra step. And so I say that because sometimes as a solo PR pro, you may be competing against someone who has the same level of skillset that you do. It's not that you are not smart enough to do the work.</p>
<p>It's not that you're not likable, it's not that they have something that's off-putting that makes them not want to do business with you. It may just be that that other candidate is making it easier for them to do business with them in some way. And so I think that, for me, when my friend said that it did make me stop and yeah, really kind of think through my whole process and my systems and make sure that I'm not making it harder to engage me or to work with me on a day-to-day basis. What ways can I streamline things for my clients? How can I automate things so that they don't have to ask for it? How can I empower them with information and be proactive about it instead of being reactionaries? Are there any, you know, are there points that I'm missing? And I think that for all of us, it's worth having that checkpoint because we don't want to lose out because we're smart enough to do the work, but we're just not efficient enough to close the deal.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/crEjPv1jBB3gSDgBxjg44Y9kV2BavsGDdBEvpluUBhcNtGgf8XagX9LjjA6KvP44DCbXOb2dMxdSnIh1VgDJ7u8_p-Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1017.6'>16:57</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And that is so true. And sometimes that is the only differentiator. So, we encourage you, just do a little gut check, take a look at the way you're doing work because honestly, look, we're so involved in doing our work and sometimes we don't pull back and say, huh, is that the best way to do that? Is there a way that I can streamline processes, not just for my clients, but hey, it helps yourself too. So it's</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i0WDhTfkyDrzsbY32KOjojeH1MU_3f2JhLj1DlshoU4WZO3tbL0gRacvaXq-BGQv8r8t9yzjkT7RvptTlyIB8zKQlIA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1043.62'>17:23</a>):</p>
<p>No kidding,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sJY_NXjs-GHR1_js8-EjYHDxyJZdDWcji6hPU9V-dhD3-mLFckQbtUuI2qizViAJt2t0ug6YyZzi-SxTXnlYPuivpoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1044.38'>17:24</a>):</p>
<p>It's a win-win. So we hope we've been an encourager to you today and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you make it easy for clients to do business with you? Are your systems designed to communicate with ease? It all comes down to good customer service. There are times when that can be the thing that leads a prospect or client to choose you or the competition.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mCvd_HErUFClu-yYPc_wu4X_JB_UBskxNa_0qurXj_F0yi25xLB3VIANVwsFgrPs2Vuin9GG4sdbi6fkE_cC9t6G3eQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.26'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qMg1fq1OagZN4ixiccqbzuwZvvnXww5xrGY4K9BW0eN9D2M4yH5nBLHyda-ZTr3mHPmc-9DRRKbzN8cfj4NkTj6MC3I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.03'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing fantastic, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VWWbD5tdRR59Yjx0wOrrzFud-UXdxLMk8Wc1FxafnrljAz3QI0APLtB6OYSgWfUG9391P8QWZCwsE6AUb2O4SguRKfc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=35.64'>00:35</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I am well, oddly perky. Must be the coffee kicking in .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D6OcHBGrGSoXQwEfoUDGfxg0WjcmJR5wQF0UXYKuz9MutEJYUJmMOGBXYtFRktroUKgB3xRCAynueejPqqETvrwLTz8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.24'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>I'm oddly perky too. And I think that that is, because sometimes chaos forces you to roll with the punches. Oh, true. And you just are like going to roll with it. It's fine. I'm fine. </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/EOw2yXOLFXxHyJkXhveba5ddA3QyWUE8VjiNjrgJU7iBl4etowMaDZna2Dmf0z02IT31DlvFm0vinenHF9QnSU0XLv8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=52.77'>00:52</a>):</p>
<p>Keep swimming. We'll get through .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/K1rntAJvrLxt_4YnAbL7hJTTIT5E_gyvxL9hLKP6OZtisv73o1m8ShMt74nSDgwASQ3DALB60D_X7S1MGeF2ucW0B20?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=56.13'>00:56</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3qwOzSQQbcoqdWOhkyz1LzCyRmky-MuXbe26PYA-pch_xKAMhULCoP-wV8uiXygjCigmLWoV0jOaHujp-Zd6dlm432Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=57.66'>00:57</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I am, I'm excited about the topic today. We're going to talk about, how do I phrase it? The way we work, right? How do we communicate with each other? How do we communicate with vendors? And I'm, and we're talking about from the viewpoint of we are solos, but we are of course also small businesses and how that impacts, you know, how you accomplish your goals at work, how you get things done. You know, are you a project management person? Are you, you know, always on Slack, that kind of thing. Just our, just going to talk about some best practices. Oh, and maybe some pet peeves too. Who knows</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Q8yid-Kcr1cMQ1Ls-Fig6Y_1lrTgPPX4-p0hfAUGMGmJT0hT2ZUr_JegekQZ95mlp69xwdpkzmPA1PktReRsJiwC2_c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=94.33'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>. Yeah. Because small business is obviously quite important in the larger, you know Yeah. Ecosystem of getting things done and work and hiring people. But you have small businesses that truly look like small businesses because they lack a certain level. I don't even want to say sophistication, because that's the wrong word. Right. But they're missing components that you'll get from a bigger business. And as solos, we want to always make sure that we are, although small, that we're mighty. And that we are delivering service levels that are equivalent to our larger counterparts. And that we're not missing key, key things that we can be doing that can make us stand apart. Because you can be small and look totally small, and when you look totally small in the wrong ways, because you know, there's a difference between having a boutique or a micro agency where you get a higher level of personalized touch.</p>
<p>Things are not, you know, as templated where, you know, they're getting a level of quality and they're getting senior level help that they might not get. And then being small and looking small as in like you're an amateur. Right. And that, you know, and so I know that within our community, it's one of the reasons why our solo PR community in particular pushes back hard against the term freelance pr. Right. And I believe that it's because for so many freelance at one point in history did connotate someone who wasn't truly running a business, but was just kind of taking a gig here or there. And it felt like one level above hobbyist. I will say, and I, dear solos, I love you, but freelance no longer has that negative association. But I completely understand, you know, the distinction as well. And I never re refer to myself as a freelance PR person, but I'm also not offended if, if that's how somebody wants to categorize me, as long as they, you know, are treating me like an agency and paying me like, you know, they're supposed to and not pay me. Like, you know, I'm,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sLUkPTEDIqHGVhJyZJT_dyAoIJdYTbsBVHG_3NMEO_N1GfSng91XRsf27KekXffD-Ca72hBJ_w-p0Bj-L5HK7YdXxEg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=232.11'>03:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Just don't have this money</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3Si8AmlI2K6QWWIL953kDvvx3qkegGdSfbS8kA3wDnVvg_s-O_mJ6WzY5y6d-3P5FMdD29h55AYUaEpphTIaoTDeOpc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=233.74'>03:53</a>):</p>
<p>Experience and job. Yeah. Like, oh, I just need to buy a Starbucks today. Isn't that cute? And I don't really care. . Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JuGc_wIpQIEAuvFm6SJ6MPHYcnQhkGB69FpSipU-I_6vdWKebg0xWJT6fYMRBkVw6EkrSAvELkocfDm16YJjlm00__Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=240.82'>04:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. . Yeah. And,  I think a lot of it has to do with communication between yourself Yes. And vendors between yourself and your clients. Just, you know, how that happens, what the expectations are. And you know, a lot of us who have worked either in-house or, you know, been employed by someone first, it's like, yeah, I call it office bootcamp, right. Because I came up, I spent my summers working in the accounts payable department at one company. So, it's like osmosis. You take it all in. Not that you say, well, this is how I'm going to work forever. But, you know, and then eventually working for an agency, you just take in like, oh, when someone asks you to do something, you let them know, okay, this is a timetable. It's like, yes. Common courtesy. Yes. Or, you know, you get to observe different systems and just then really mold that into your, the way that you work. Especially as most of our clients are probably not fellow business owners like us, for the most part. They're, these are people who own or work in companies. So it really helps to have that and if you haven't, that's fine, but just be open to following their lead, really.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4KBHdpKP1EzKS6DLbrvfOFDOtXBKMSzojXLR1qxjGe_TtnF-idtSH9Jy5po-VAznsKRJllA5rq-WB45-CcGXXDOsyPQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=322.64'>05:22</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, I agree. And you hit on something that I've noticed, and you and I have chatted about this of course, as solos, we also not only are small business owners, but we love supporting small business owners.  And that's a good feeling when you have more of a direct connection to the person that's producing the product or service. I find that very gratifying. And it makes me feel good that I'm contributing to the economy in a meaningful way, that you actually are supporting someone else's livelihood. And I love to do that. However, I've also, like all of you, had my share of frustrations with small businesses that are not matching even the basic service levels and communication is way high on the list for me. And so, as solos, we have to make sure that we are not making people feel like they're losing by having a smaller agency.</p>
<p>Just because you don't have five offices across the globe and, you know, 10,000 people does not mean that clients should be left in the dark about, you know, what you're doing, how you're doing it. If they ask you a question, you know, it shouldn't linger you. You need to, you need to establish on a regular basis, you know how you're communicating. And if a client asks you to report something in a way, or to respond to something in a way or on a channel that really is very different from your workflow, it doesn't mean that you have to do everything that they say the way that they say do it. But you need to have a conversation about that.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WJjAU9gGDhdbn_pOc0fGwr08bAhprow_jeTxC7bUYALZmQT5Knb3Mt5_2Z-O9p8zxtFY3sX3c8zwOgzhMmmMQimfsCM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=424.55'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And it's, it's all part of the, the expectation management. Yeah. Especially at the outset and, you know, setting those parameters. And, you know, even in the day-to-day communications, I mean, to me, Slack is a wonderful thing because to me, you know, being a…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/dgDY-jtUIsD2BDd-LuI4Q75OWd6LIx8LE44caV2m5gd66T2j2VKtItwSNoUQljdsauIa0DUn57x70v_quculPQL9EdQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=442.18'>07:22</a>):</p>
<p>An email.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NNLQu2fUa7WLpeXnuq4dBIk9tfboF8EWltFvzE9CPyklBAlPJJL5a3PzPUWqvE352ivK49LBAvqrpZdAdjjxLbx0dgM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=443.48'>07:23</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And being a certain age, I like to have something documented. So, if a client prefers to do business completely via text, that's crazy making for me. Because I have to look down at something. Yes, I have a desktop text, you know, thing. But still I can't, not that I print out emails anymore, but when I did, it's like, I can't print this text out. This is crazy. Well now I don't, I can't go back to that anyway.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kcSdOs5NartsJsskFoOT69msDjhA3PjSEZPutomt5rQ4r3bl7Qw7VU1VeJhzdJkkG9jvBRaKEypENcOsDLE5KVZTN7A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=471.05'>07:51</a>):</p>
<p>It's not in a threaded nice threaded conversation that you can find, please. And there are things that definitely be do not belong in email that don't, you know, do not need that level of documentation. Quick questions, you know, quick, Hey, correct.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/E2sIN78hCbgi8VZGy-HVacSWkZieXm0yoKRg4cYMwnGQBnB4lLu4UoVU5zCJUNMsPjAlB-YbuUh1iK5H8dp5MrYf0AI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=483.65'>08:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fNB89U_bj8MfnhH4gtL-Ta-pJ9XDJWPalSzoB9vW7l8JtdHmIzgzZ3n26Mp-EPGrDYlmU5ELB9R2uYbO7hPurmgxqn8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=484.28'>08:04</a>):</p>
<p>This published, I don't really need that in my email. Right. But you know, I think it also comes down to being a small business and doing your part to make it easy to engage with you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/hLSxyUnC3HKMQfMO-n8b0odUsdbbX7Mcfj9L05v5SYiC5cTYRGaZMZNJ8YFOCQlRTFGjo7QrAb3YrVukOl8upheR1vg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=497.54'>08:17</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, a hundred percent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_cWhbWNMswnnffcKUinhXOHQBq91sHLUIm4TEJ9tLoqbCLYdtgn850VTaWkbLJiFKaGDLBQ4IH33UP3_k2gtpvCkDYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=499.16'>08:19</a>):</p>
<p>Here's some tensions. Payments is one. This is, this could be a source of tension,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XWmd_5yecEDaZVTgrYa8HvzoX7O68CnC9tkdJvjXKsVzzDzMQ1DbZM44xwpd31L6ULfPRrD2OrF5C9XXZTIoMghSz00?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=506.87'>08:26</a>):</p>
<p>Maybe…</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PxB1ZNuBCdzPk1B_hsnjOnJCjH4Hbq1LwmBkzWh2ncPjFQj_oYH7g6h6BcBnMnHzfBX3o0e1UNH7WCQBp5r1HfqFafg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=507.15'>08:27</a>):</p>
<p>You need to make it easy for people to pay you. And I understand that sometimes clients have owner systems that are completely out of their control. If you have enterprise clients and you know that oftentimes there's, I'm going to say almost always there could be an onboarding process because they use somebody that manages their independent contractors. Just be aware that's their program. It's not going to change for you. Don't fight it. Don't make it hard for them to engage you because you don't understand their system. Sometimes there's going to be, you know, not only a contract, but there's going to be a master service agreement and then purchase orders. And sometimes those purchase orders have to be done monthly. Sometimes they can be for the extent of the agreement, it just depends on how their budgeting works. And so you need to be prepared that sometimes on the client end there are just things that you cannot rail against because they don't have any other alternative to offer you.</p>
<p>But you shouldn't take it as a personal affront that they're asking you to do these administrative things. And it's burdensome for a small business because again, yes, we are small businesses, but on some things we have to be able to play in the same way that larger companies do. There are other policies that definitely, like there are things in contracts that definitely you should challenge sometimes. And, and that again, yeah, these are conversations that we have. I've been onboarded by clients where I had to go through a whole onboarding system. I had to have a background check. Everybody on my team had to have a background check. We had to go through their security clearance system, we can only access through their system. So it did mean downloading another tool, logging into something else doing this. We had to have a company email.</p>
<p>We were fine to email from our emails, but we still had to have this company email to access other things. So you roll with it and you make it easy for your client to do business. You don't put up these barricades like, I'm small, you're asking me to do too much. Or no, you can't pay me digitally. And if you do, it's an extra charge or you're, you know, you have to think about these things as you're setting rates for your clients and ensure that you are including the full cost of doing business outside of those costs that are expenses. So we're not talking about expenses, but you do need to make sure that your contracts specify expenses such as press release distribution are a separate line item. They'll be pre-approved before they're billed back to you.</p>
<p>But yeah, those are not part of the retainer, so, some people, I mean, I just had this with a vendor that I'm working with. I do not write checks. I do not have cash. And half the time I'm not around when the service is performed, please give me a way to pay you digitally. And then I have a record of it, by the way, I do want a record because otherwise am I just giving you cash? And then I've got to keep a record of I paid you on this date in like a paper notebook. Like that's, that's not making it easy for me to do business. And by the way, there are competitors that will have better communication, give me the same exact service for the same exact price. And I can pay them digitally with no problems, no questions asked, and, you know, get a better level of personal service. So as solos, we have to be careful that we're not creating these unnecessary hurdles for our prospective clients.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H3qHooUhSCTIFuv-gu0SwGQeyJiBncu1Ub77dgm6L5_8sLWW4IIek9syMRvHail9Hxvujh8VB3jI5IfJ3Tgjf45rmis?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=729.31'>12:09</a>):</p>
<p>Right. I mean, I consider part of customer service is to make it easy for you to pay me - what a beautiful thing. But in other things too, and everything communicates - everything we do. Not to make us too paranoid, or looking over our shoulder, but you know, the tone in your emails, the way and how often you might communicate or not communicate. Everything we do communicates something. And that doesn't mean that the receiver of that communication realizes that at the time, but it builds. So, you know, as a business owner, my goal is always to provide the best experience possible knowing that we're all human. And my guess is if we have our own solo shop, we're probably pretty hard on ourselves. And I mean, I've had times where I've gone to clients and said, oh my goodness I cannot believe that. So sorry, you know, flogging myself. And thankfully I'd like to think probably because of building up that subconscious goodwill through good communication, they've been like, oh, what that? Oh no, it's fine. And I think, oh, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0bo-2hOpz-lBptQZU6C6_1fRXgBn2-eqEqDtPtfY4bYm1Pozx4AEv_ENJ2fhrnpOwXimzhDhhaCtCeMXiBjHF5FGyKc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=794.56'>13:14</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ysQjBXJcwE1tPJCTvWBmdAuiehPPd35RfjcfqL9hgPren_Pn478D0bV0WlP-ibbw7XDYo6tvEyeSqrapeoPLYOQxDAM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=795.31'>13:15</a>):</p>
<p>And then I wonder, yes. Oh, okay,  good. So, it's just something to keep in mind as we operate, and I think it also does us all a good service as we do build our businesses. If we do carry out just our communications in a way that, that makes the profession look good, right? Because we, especially in PR, we are always fighting that battle on some level, you know, fighting against the flack connotation or the superficial, you just throw parties, we're always was fighting against that. So any way that you can elevate the way that you do business with other people, and that can be clients and vendors alike is a positive.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/APfyZGeYPyKf5LXPTIS7r4BrWwbehwaF_qRjQ_te6arcb7cnp-IKVsvwseBfY24XGrtAydZkvjBbjJD94k39yW0RwWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=839.62'>13:59</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And I will tell you, a friend of mine, one of my best friends shared one of his businesses is real estate and he was sharing, I know his mortgage broker or the person that he was using as his mortgage broker. And now that person was great and was able to get deals done and understood like how to work with investors and creative financing and how to work with self-employed people and how to work with people that have multiple LLCs. Just amazing. So it's not that he was very smart, you know, very responsive, his team was great. The service was great. There was nothing wrong with it. But then he had to work with this other guy and this guy made it easier for him to do business. So rather than having to go to this other guy and have to check in before every offer was made, and then have him do a whole new approval letter. The new mortgage guy has a portal, and the minute you're approved, you and your client have access to the portal. You can go in and you can run the calculator based on the house what you are planning to offer. It includes taxes and all the fees so that you can see your mortgage payment and everything prior to even generating. And then you can generate offer letters for as long as you need to until you are under contract. All streamlined and automated. And so my friend loves that. He and the client are empowered to keep moving at his fast pace and not having to take that extra step. And so I say that because sometimes as a solo PR pro, you may be competing against someone who has the same level of skillset that you do. It's not that you are not smart enough to do the work.</p>
<p>It's not that you're not likable, it's not that they have something that's off-putting that makes them not want to do business with you. It may just be that that other candidate is making it easier for them to do business with them in some way. And so I think that, for me, when my friend said that it did make me stop and yeah, really kind of think through my whole process and my systems and make sure that I'm not making it harder to engage me or to work with me on a day-to-day basis. What ways can I streamline things for my clients? How can I automate things so that they don't have to ask for it? How can I empower them with information and be proactive about it instead of being reactionaries? Are there any, you know, are there points that I'm missing? And I think that for all of us, it's worth having that checkpoint because we don't want to lose out because we're smart enough to do the work, but we're just not efficient enough to close the deal.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/crEjPv1jBB3gSDgBxjg44Y9kV2BavsGDdBEvpluUBhcNtGgf8XagX9LjjA6KvP44DCbXOb2dMxdSnIh1VgDJ7u8_p-Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1017.6'>16:57</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And that is so true. And sometimes that is the only differentiator. So, we encourage you, just do a little gut check, take a look at the way you're doing work because honestly, look, we're so involved in doing our work and sometimes we don't pull back and say, huh, is that the best way to do that? Is there a way that I can streamline processes, not just for my clients, but hey, it helps yourself too. So it's</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i0WDhTfkyDrzsbY32KOjojeH1MU_3f2JhLj1DlshoU4WZO3tbL0gRacvaXq-BGQv8r8t9yzjkT7RvptTlyIB8zKQlIA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1043.62'>17:23</a>):</p>
<p>No kidding,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sJY_NXjs-GHR1_js8-EjYHDxyJZdDWcji6hPU9V-dhD3-mLFckQbtUuI2qizViAJt2t0ug6YyZzi-SxTXnlYPuivpoY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1044.38'>17:24</a>):</p>
<p>It's a win-win. So we hope we've been an encourager to you today and until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim (00:33):
I'm doing fantastic, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:35):
I'm well, I am well, oddly perky. Must be the coffee kicking in .
Karen Swim (00:42):
I'm oddly perky too. And I think that that is, because sometimes chaos forces you to roll with the punches. Oh, true. And you just are like going to roll with it. It's fine. I'm fine. 
Michelle Kane (00:52):
Keep swimming. We'll get through .
Karen Swim (00:56):
Absolutely.
Michelle Kane (00:57):
Well, I am, I'm excited about the topic today. We're going to talk about, how do I phrase it? The way we work, right? How do we communicate with each other? How do we communicate with vendors? And I'm, and we're talking about from the viewpoint of we are solos, but we are of course also small businesses and how that impacts, you know, how you accomplish your goals at work, how you get things done. You know, are you a project management person? Are you, you know, always on Slack, that kind of thing. Just our, just going to talk about some best practices. Oh, and maybe some pet peeves too. Who knows
Karen Swim (01:34):
. Yeah. Because small business is obviously quite important in the larger, you know Yeah. Ecosystem of getting things done and work and hiring people. But you have small businesses that truly look like small businesses because they lack a certain level. I don't even want to say sophistication, because that's the wrong word. Right. But they're missing components that you'll get from a bigger business. And as solos, we want to always make sure that we are, although small, that we're mighty. And that we are delivering service levels that are equivalent to our larger counterparts. And that we're not missing key, key things that we can be doing that can make us stand apart. Because you can be small and look totally small, and when you look totally small in the wrong ways, because you know, there's a difference between having a boutique or a micro agency where you get a higher level of personalized touch.
Things are not, you know, as templated where, you know, they're getting a level of quality and they're getting senior level help that they might not get. And then being small and looking small as in like you're an amateur. Right. And that, you know, and so I know that within our community, it's one of the reasons why our solo PR community in particular pushes back hard against the term freelance pr. Right. And I believe that it's because for so many freelance at one point in history did connotate someone who wasn't truly running a business, but was just kind of taking a gig here or there. And it felt like one level above hobbyist. I will say, and I, dear solos, I love you, but freelance no longer has that negative association. But I completely understand, you know, the distinction as well. And I never re refer to myself as a freelance PR person, but I'm also not offended if, if that's how somebody wants to categorize me, as long as they, you know, are treating me like an agency and paying me like, you know, they're supposed to and not pay me. Like, you know, I'm,
Michelle Kane (03:52):
Yeah. Just don't have this money
Karen Swim (03:53):
Experience and job. Yeah. Like, oh, I just need to buy a Starbucks today. Isn't that cute? And I don't really care. . Yeah.
Michelle Kane (04:00):
Yes. . Yeah. And,  I think a lot of it has to do with communication between yourself Yes. And vendors between yourself and your cl]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>With media outlets shuttering and reporter beats expanding, getting our clients’ stories told continues to be a challenge. The good news is PR pros are resilient, creative, and smart. In this episode we talk about all the ways to navigate this wave of media madness with success!</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7S4Me6egMXJtvECRzrfLApp2wgx5CIiTQLz4zE367DAXR6ogBIECFiGhdttqqaFA5ZdMtl3tVEsgLnrHEyz4xr3gX_I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.01'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me. I'm Michelle Kane, my company is VoiceMatters, and I'm here as always with the wonderful Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/09036zgbAvXNXXDDYYycJN5l1V2orpx0vcgvZvW2BnkJUWCaeXawiLUi5wCW6abNg7y5XNTHRj80MYigS-CLc5uxpCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.02'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sbS_NeHLkj86O3jNBpSd5p-z_JRL7SqoFrAJ0mgowIKxtSc1dPX3WxSIGvBjmybwKfdydw_QFOTFlJDkOwMZc-e0lOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=21.81'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I'm well, thanks. And I'm kind of excited about our topic today. Oh, what the heck. I love all our topics, but we're just going to focus on media madness. You know, it's been really kind of a bummer lately. All of these outlets shuttering, BuzzFeed, Vice, Fox, no, Vox is still happening.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XUvBI0Ky8uYC6YWJUyXTgTXzoY7FxdWqgHd3-5pkpCVMeRwIj9Qwsez9i_nWFDWT9mxbDrxuyP-3UVH-nh26XPXY3cQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=40.19'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Vox is still there…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jQx8mbHN_JHNh0e2xd8w812fgOUSbpV4Wl2gJ1kHfkWzc-kcZdj-n3gwCD-D7fjwvOysFN3HOUGuARWCAj2Cmp5aPX0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.5'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>Let's not put that out there. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cPmJHq-b9uBZRzRi2yvn0ykigdzIV9YPILez2lmJAe0eE_xTqAKFpBWdZDRhfvGnLB_nQsiZmv4btJ3yZ1SJseD-f2c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=44.7'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>But hey do rely on donations. They do great work by the way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6ul_WjyBblMTgJMuzWtZICL9jDiXQiNTAat-XlO7N8uxueBqpoIeRSIEk6bQ7MuXF_M7N0q6PqEeFr-36Lh2SkalNdc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=47.44'>00:47</a>):</p>
<p>They do, they do. I think it was Vulture and it's, I mean, not only is it sad when good outlets are just closing down due to finances, but it kind of makes our job as PR pros more of a challenge, especially if you are working in sectors that would pitch often to those outlets or just rely on them, and as news consumers for covering areas of our world that really need that kind of coverage. So we just want to chat today about “Hey, how's it going with your pitching?” And how can we best adapt to this in service of our clients? So fun .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fzLjoarcF50hiFq_QEWrs1oXru4_3XjGZLH3u9-Dy9eYV_roRp-4NRfw4yiXV_ECcrtVOCGdMixz9CcwbmAe7R4PE8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=97.56'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And we don't want to trot out the same, like, don't only push the lever of earned media. It's really about the landscape is pretty ugly right now.  And in some sectors, it's slow. It's not that you're not going to get coverage, but things take a lot longer than they used to. And part of that is due to the changes that have happened in the media landscape. People not having always one assigned beat. They're covering multiple beats or publications using a lot of freelancers, and so they don't have people on staff. And then people just being bombarded, probably a little burned out, and a little scared also because they have many attacks against their income sources. You know, freelancers have had to go with the California fallout and that cut their income because they could only work so many stories before they were considered to be employees. I mean, there's just been a lot in media over the past several years. Now there's the AI thing, and I will say that it's not just about outlets and journalists. What I'm seeing, and I'm sure that you all are seeing this too, is that there are fewer and fewer quality stories.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pgFI5x0ziKXEeDpgGg8cOFZC2y36H4rk0BChw7WFfqDv7v7ISzl27hpUlLpH6DPAbY0Jqj-pD0JkywFV-co-wPyhIOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.4'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>Mm-hmm. . Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DTsRcO-SptR2Kn88UBhhWgQ596PA3XBoNuQiHNXs5WIlF6_-xyMGq1KEaHJgTKWJhdgux1HdDt8mFbST1qUXOq4mN1k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.76'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>So really to just general topics. I'm not talking about covering politics or the economy. Those reporters have a beat, and the publications that do that work still do it very well. And you get high quality stories. The long form reads are still great stories. You know, The Atlantic, they always do a nice job with their long form stories. I'm talking about those day-to-day news stories. I'm finding that the quality is so shallow and it's just, it's like, okay, why did you even bother to write this? It's almost like they're just filling, you know,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f4D3deEfpv2acMri0XnDevVstvhr5znSWV0JEAf75a3RXW_xuu-cK49QjaV33g1dqYOZxZbgq_SjLTE5s4Tg8phfytQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=224.11'>03:44</a>):</p>
<p>Filling unsold ad space.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/owliChzHueahpNeOORinVuTjihwUL1hFAyEkd4FfxXxKr5RjmrEayse60kURWp1fxAzZaC3cDuw3HC9YEflY-fbbQ5c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=226.45'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>Say it. Yeah. It's, it's not great. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vV9M5RNvBpHGUv4li8c3NxegGgRiD_Vjq-Zn4cPZ-6TcA6hEz4xlIIAOwd4wbEsx7T4XQf-_0y0eHSfMfvt5wtHiW3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=229.51'>03:49</a>):</p>
<p>And yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RMOmYvXDlqkvo87-2D8B8ERDq5G2c-OEdeYcQlL0uSCf-l-Y9qSuz141Km3GqxG-RESbR6rzoSgsvFafxd7mitkNP3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=231.31'>03:51</a>):</p>
<p>And so when it comes to clients, in terms of finding quality places to tell those stories it may have shifted. I think one thing is that we have to remember that even if your expertise is not in internal communications, that there is a place for the PR pro to ensure that those stories are not only being told externally. Think about the stories that you can help your clients to tell internally. Which is vitally important in these times as companies are dealing with reductions in force. They're dealing with talent recruitment. They're dealing with policies that may be shifting. They may have some employee discontent, the Great Resignation, all of the things that are happening at work, internal stories are part of how we can truly help to impact our clients' businesses. And them being able to leverage that and to strengthen their employer brand is, is as important as driving revenue to the bottom line with those external stories.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gTn4EfMlFt2Kf6lgijfDTw7zgCBO6jpn0TyJ3LjMyTbXzPoYTCvAa0CI7n_AQ4HY_k17mPwMwgXoEQoT_TP-sei4788?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=306.73'>05:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. And you know, I know many companies, especially larger corporations, are very good at their internal comms, and they know how to fold it, you know, to weave it throughout and, and they realize the importance of their internal audience and how they can both strengthen the external view of the company, but also to create that community within. I think that's incredibly important. And  of course then sometimes those communications can be used on both sides. We've talked about this a lot, right? Does your website have a newsroom? Do you tell your stories in other ways? There are all kinds of creative ways to tell a story about maybe an employee that also talks about you - operate all these things that can affect those deciding to do business with you or to raise your profile.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L4Q72yhE5m2LjAIkUkTiTOsJM_5_kn6P18Pk5mSPO4cjqoetVdiydJruuNOsX4ZaSYgRJPJnnTVoq85u--wvT24rugs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=365.27'>06:05</a>):</p>
<p>I think one of the things that I'm actually enjoying a lot more of lately also is realizing that companies that have strong internal comms teams, because in big companies, you know, they slice and dice those roles very specifically. They are approaching it with a complete insider's view. We bring that external view again, you know, one of the values of solos. And so sometimes we bring things that are creative in different ways that they may not have thought of because they're seeing it from within the company viewpoint, and they're seeing it from that lens, and we see it from a broader lens. And so working with internal teams gets them in excited and energized about things too. So yeah, in our work, we've been working across more departments and bringing them into some of our external things and then supporting their internal things as well.</p>
<p>And it's really brought out a different element. And it's great to see the executives excited about having their team supported, but it's also great to see how excited people get to work with someone new and to do things a little bit differently because they're getting this different perspective. And of course, it's fun for us because we get to work with more people in a company and we get to go deeper in our value proposition. So, you know, don't forget that that's another way to tell the stories is to Right. Enroll more people to collaborate with you from the internal teams and think outside of the box. It doesn't always have to be PR and marketing. It can be the customer success team. It can be, you know, um, specific to a persona. For example, if one of the personas, targets, people work with it, someone to develop it and tell stories and think of different ways you can do it. Think about owned media, podcasts, you know, branded podcasts for companies that you can help them to staff guests. You can even, and I did not realize how easy this was. So I will raise my hand and say I learned something through a friend who created her own streaming show that's on Roku. So I subscribed. I did not know it was so easy to just do your own production.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8O5VN_9ztJk8ZDKQlVkzJ_daWl4XK_D4Jd8nbdrKHRsjK_0tKKn1_Vk63wOwrcIIQ84W9jAlAkwYngctObvckL6ocpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=513.29'>08:33</a>):</p>
<p>That’s so cool.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PERWeOCHBP5057vqEr_9bBOkAOyKVm6k7Bzrm47KqFsdrNO_Ccoecfx1J5v1VDOHvmJN6QHwzuaNb_LsiCzjjiqDvq0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=514.16'>08:34</a>):</p>
<p>You can set up a streaming show for your client. If you have a client that loves video and, and maybe is doing YouTube and they want to do more and they want to take them to a different level, level look into streaming.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BOec-tCpIcbEsNzc_N9Nsnlud3a5pUYKKkeqKfIDr7TH9wN6ZV9cmwfY343RXq1OLuGlhq9lPlIFj6GEftxetqWPJto?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=527'>08:47</a>):</p>
<p>That's phenomenal. And I love what you said about working across departments because it's the best of all worlds, right? Because it's true. We come in and there are things we don't know. So, we can pick up on story ideas of topics that come up that they might just blow off or think, oh, well no one cares about that, but wait, certain audiences do. And then working across all these different departments, they're the ones that know the the depth of what they do and they will bring to light wonderful topics and things that, that can be expanded on and brought to light.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/07iEzcgoCE11_GYT-iNoiE4hrM5LXelJzTM51zxC1362qt-3M0xnMMMYH7Ih8F3ts-20tBHC_FM392ionAwrP-QVLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=568.93'>09:28</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. It does. Again, working across departments gives you richer content to work with externally too, and it helps to keep you aligned and you do, you learn more about the company when you tap into more than one source of information, it really does help us to be much more effective at our jobs and we can pick up on things that are exciting externally that people take for granted. I love that there's always a surprise. There's always something. It could be a bit of information, it could be, you know, a personal story and you're like, wait, that the media would love this and Right. Really? .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LO46tYNWEyGCmHXLQxPUckQRUxtcCUMgPYp8_LKosFB8rBYNvm4vW_qs4GgJATL57ciFxHMMovcxH3gjBuuk5wAhilw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=612.63'>10:12</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And you're just like, yeah, . And then of course you hope the person's willing to share and all that good stuff. But yeah, it's, it's really exciting and energizing when that does happen. I know I'm in the discovery phase with the client now, and it's just been wonderful to hear their insights and things that, you know, even if I thought long and hard would never have come to my mind. Yeah. Just because I don't serve in their role. I don't know everything.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Qe6S_F9DUIlB7FR46RSFpfZvkBXXxw_QDIzxk9vj-ORyVVxl4TKpYunM902Ltc8TLE8AHsLn0Cky3ADV_xuH06U0gw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=641.34'>10:41</a>):</p>
<p>I know it's one of the joys of our job, right? I think that when we're actually doing the work, we're all in our happy place. Like it's just, we get to do the coolest things. Being a communicator is one of the best jobs on the planet.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H0s-WoLsYVObzsBNBp53OdAGBA6sYIU_gHrhYRT5SDrZIMTdXUGMuoERnU1_sm7Ak5LuLvgXHtD3xfBkHr9s8s0MevE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=653.58'>10:53</a>):</p>
<p>It is. It is. You're part teacher, you're part psychologist, , part therapist, part town crier,  part, grammar nerd ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vAxSUK3QvdvY51yj3si3vPUz_mV7U55lpxTX89emZou0YCcofvtwprazRcbfkB4hoigyULL-LRmSimGOK5Qt9nmi35g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=664.13'>11:04</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely all of the things</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aaY4u-GX4dvZQPg-q9o4Yv4nA6sh449kj5q9vO3WtOg8J0DLpY7PmMEJ-FG_bAs7DcagvvXMwq7710WETmJ2ycCnAdw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=666.36'>11:06</a>):</p>
<p>Rolled into one ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ux38tJpkH2G_IYofI_gQAj8vqb2oqmkhtTbOqvZvAfeRZ_l83rbleOlvPcSZiW63DPDqR466PLFMSVw4T5Np62fszT0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=668.46'>11:08</a>):</p>
<p>All of the things .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1pzJ6ZXXsdQ2BXhp7PB9DAkK1OspKbhgcD7nMtYtnO4mTLvx4ZHskR8SSJDZvzxMxykQj5GMGlJCXK2S5gEBNC0oqag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=670.71'>11:10</a>):</p>
<p>So, so yeah. You know, we - even though the landscape is ever-changing - we don't ever want you to feel frustrated or demoralized. If anything, and I think it's also part of the DNA of the role that we serve. It's like, okay, that's not going to get me down. How else can we do this?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NTf4kfrkXGqZD_MpXvVKYUiCdIQ_pkdj-IxbU_tgQpX63Qk_XDVF-kJeH-Wwkdo7TtRGltANP0DcRuhFfAAg8UPIkX4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=693.39'>11:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because the media landscape is going to continue to shift. And one of the underlying themes to all of this is money. Media shifted away from subscription models with the internet and everything was free and accessible, and they switched to advertising models. And advertising dollars have kind of dried up. There's, everyone's not advertising anymore. And then a lot of people took the initiative to create their own media companies. So you had more and more outlets that were out there competing for attention, for eyeballs. And now people are trying to go back to subscription models. So you see things like sets where there's certain stories you can read for free, but then you have to subscribe to get everything right. You know,</p>
<p>That's a great source to also tap into for stories. But I just think that because the models are all over the place, like how many people are you really going to get to subscribe to just individual stories rather than an entire outlet that's filled with a variety of stories? Yeah. I, it could work for individual creators to have enough interest to sustain them, which is, I think is fabulous. And I'm always here for writers taking charge of their income and, and having ways to be directly paid by their audiences, because I think that's an important avenue. But as a media business model on its own, it's probably not for way to go.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/988D8N5uC6GkMfxCiaun7N93Hoz6aMwy0M2zrmPDmGi4rFowPAJw6uRMXq_UxwF2FN7bjRjhqQ--RZULL4jKZzmKJF4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.95'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>No, I don't think so. You probably think of something like a Substack, which many writers are setting up, but as far as trying to get our client stories out, it doesn't quite align. Doesn't quite line up. So yeah. I wish there was an easy answer to it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UUMsrNII-PLBNb6iv7oFu8QHkHNcTJWQQ9vyAcWnna-_l4c47rTUzhvSchjeKpv2vnD35VMJLd5Ohy9OD1DYu2E1CkU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=812.02'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, there's not. There's digging and searching for reporters that are a fit regardless of where they write, you know? Searching for people that will best tell your client's story and tell a rich story. Trades are just the lifeblood, I think, for so many of us because they deliver. They may not all be tier one outlets, but they really deliver on the promise. You can find your audience with trades, and you can get quality stories, you can get byline opportunities. They're still doing the work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eEsTkEsAgYOktvPPfMpF8okwsntJKM9hdz82Fama-z8d305rnaDTTST_zDQfM_4TlLjYBRFYGHx2pJDdNIfhymb6Rcg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=848.41'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jTHoVCEsMEeOKvmQoccDn1JmT6TebSYnKL2Cx7kLQ5WJkEqV7tyd2XuSUUJ1J6Xzcm93LKDem19z00YSrD6dTezYZM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=848.9'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>And it's harder to get into tier one unless you have hard news. And so when you're dealing with clients, most clients don't have hard news all the time. They just don't. So you have to work with what you have to work with. Media relations is still very viable. It's not dead, folks. Right. It's still doable, but it is important to start to be creative and think outside of that box and expand a little bit, even if it's expanding in the types of opportunities that you seek and the type of outlets that you pitch. If you've never added podcast in, you might want to add podcast into the rotation. If you've never thought about your client putting their expertise into a book, um, or Oh yeah. They don't have any own media channels of their own, you know, start to think about those things as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rqnLGFc5zOcta979TcrDgmg7GeL_6PXD57WEjxUD4Bb7t9tR3diQKu0krq8BydUra8m_Hul0roTvsnEEjTf3Eu0Bhq0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=900.33'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D44nsjs7gUTUOZQDKbuPeN27OQj7UAA9v85LlygAU6Fu-AW3ScgllGo-hdIMMCI05GgU38B0dueM4KvThOXd3cFXC54?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=901.43'>15:01</a>):</p>
<p>That’s another one. Add different ways of thought leadership into the, into the mix.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mu-zOeXSIi7jqsMmzMfiPfDJdcGC3ZefiIUFIqFHYrlVyjEYWwGwjxP8t6B4In6TQx9fCg3FAIsoCLJMlbOxiKprNdE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=906.98'>15:06</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. And like with anything, manage those expectations. That's those teachable moments because we all still have those clients that are saying, get me on the Today Show. Yeah. . Yeah. Which we have to just, you know, calmly say, well now what exactly are you expecting to accomplish ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VjcRwyd8oQbjMBTTKMpvQ9in5M7Fc1mmhmtjdG7u-tnCKQ4Uc53nuR08Tx_s0exA6DbA4AvskQMKl6JueXCTsS6M1zk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.55'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, sometimes success can also, you know, we have a client and we just did a campaign and we delivered way above and beyond what was</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5RYTWOYWvJi2q1DiDADyw8ONf9hRMuxCZrzRTzYzYZ3xYvTrMqOGpxaDrhwRV0WZWrQGeVuFVrwVN5pzxqM4RixiAp0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=943.52'>15:43</a>):</p>
<p>Of course you did.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aUBjIV1LP-eVzgkEqwIIjrG1CXRLhXu1sXHiwHKdxLsXvC4MA9HCDRPMQXZgHAr6oyi28DrfW4Xl2xUerwKvo8uYElE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=944.96'>15:44</a>):</p>
<p>And then we started freaking out, like, oh my God, we hope that they don't expect this every month. Because it's not going to happen every single month like this where it's just explosive coverage and, you know, so it's funny how we do that. We kill it and then we're like, oh my God, we killed it. Are they going to expect every month? Because I’d die if we have to do this every single month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VB0tAc_MKvGI_T4aRRvoxkQ5U1J5Wosn7xOMkTd9-6nHu42gkUC0Eg6Cy79kZu_MXgSL0NCPzA5U0FVXwll0_BgFBQ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=967.16'>16:07</a>):</p>
<p>It's just not feasible. You don't want to fire hose an audience either. So  Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OPlpHk8E_BSxsj9oNXdqJSwt7XmXBK6-8kl2UZFbY6fp07Veopq99OBd5E-ejkU_IqcG8n_PExFhtoWRwjrp3rCsXN0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=975.26'>16:15</a>):</p>
<p>Not pitch, don't anything. Way more stories than we were supposed to be. No more pitching. No pitching.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrN0K3B0SRACIc8WgnQS4KtqdBI40nAAfgurWgxOnGJVmscUn1GMWepmllffaBlPHnHmudCbPNpuHZJaYTtFjZbjxYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=983.51'>16:23</a>):</p>
<p>I'm all pitched out. And, you know, honestly, that's where other items like a podcast or thought leadership articles, that's where it can fall nicely into that mix so that you are not,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tOfnvqsUtgTldqpF22D-wnqerfr5Or_NIcyvY-2ly-WnPA4AIvYaBXaDY4XIQwmmh6y7_MSWrBbo0lt8iewKRsyPMVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=998.02'>16:38</a>):</p>
<p>You have to mix in the, the longer term opportunities. Although these ways, everything seems to be a longer term opportunities, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3lqmeGK8sASMV1WupWMfiHTQaUnYsyh6WaVUKr7p_bk_D6v6nRXgctFITJVrvdd7I2vVyegflkYHXbDzbE71NxFpG5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1005.29'>16:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LUH73EmtZqthPWY6z9hnCwVMDd5gKRl61psulO_S4WNK573iaOuP9hmVisfvuJJBajh5M2tpd5KdOXEqZ5o9DidlvII?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1006.04'>16:46</a>):</p>
<p>You want to get the shorter term things, but you want to focus on the long game too, and things like podcasts, you pitch them, you're not always going to get immediate responses. You will not always be able to book guests within the week or the month. Some shows have seasons, and they may already be booked up for the season and be booking well into their next season, which could be later this year. It could be 2024. We all know the long lead publications and then just in general, you know, so it's good  to have a mix of opportunities that could hit at different times because agree, our goal is steady Eddie, rolling thunder. You know, we want to keep building, building, building.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c1sY2TtRELYnsb4N2ZcGWcz7A5RSRlSX1tRFysbMgVrArv_MtQs_jKyg87pyDUdMqhk7yd2Tcbgm2tG7ZUUDRLKNMP8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1049.6'>17:29</a>):</p>
<p>I love these names. Keep going. . No, it's true. It's true. And, uh, as I couch them, you know, these opportunities to talk about yourself, you know, as a business, you want them to be valid and, and to be in a variety of places, it's always going to serve you well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/28CjEr-73KiUJJHTU0XBzGOfHlCaRCsSc7ZS50ninz6foAzFOpyqUKAWRS4tcD4YhRanpMR1ZGH3SX99Fqtrd_pGPak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1070.67'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I mean, I'd love to hear from Solo PR Pros who are doing anything in the metaverse because it's been declared dead by many media outlets, but I have definitely seen some success stories from people who are doing really creative things there. So, I realize that even Mark Zuckerberg has now stopped talking about the metaverse, we're not hearing anything about it. I believe that they pulled jobs away from that sector. But if you're doing something there and you're doing it for your clients, we'd love to hear about it, because that's a topic that we've not addressed here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MUQjVkUOei3VFR2XdBxyfAa9chw6n1ZDv5qvTXNYzMl5PR2T_J22qGKiL5_brxBnKyisgykNQ9FuwmzM2dKaTGFbiiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1108.77'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>That is true. Yeah. We would love to hear your stories and honestly, we want to hear your experiences in general. How are you finding things? Please let us know. It's soloprpro.com because we would love to take all of your input and talk about this again. It's going to be an ever-changing topic that we can come back to from time to time. But if you found this time valuable, which we hope you did, we thank you for spending it with us, please do share this episode around. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With media outlets shuttering and reporter beats expanding, getting our clients’ stories told continues to be a challenge. The good news is PR pros are resilient, creative, and smart. In this episode we talk about all the ways to navigate this wave of media madness with success!</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7S4Me6egMXJtvECRzrfLApp2wgx5CIiTQLz4zE367DAXR6ogBIECFiGhdttqqaFA5ZdMtl3tVEsgLnrHEyz4xr3gX_I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.01'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me. I'm Michelle Kane, my company is VoiceMatters, and I'm here as always with the wonderful Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/09036zgbAvXNXXDDYYycJN5l1V2orpx0vcgvZvW2BnkJUWCaeXawiLUi5wCW6abNg7y5XNTHRj80MYigS-CLc5uxpCU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.02'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sbS_NeHLkj86O3jNBpSd5p-z_JRL7SqoFrAJ0mgowIKxtSc1dPX3WxSIGvBjmybwKfdydw_QFOTFlJDkOwMZc-e0lOE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=21.81'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I'm well, thanks. And I'm kind of excited about our topic today. Oh, what the heck. I love all our topics, but we're just going to focus on media madness. You know, it's been really kind of a bummer lately. All of these outlets shuttering, BuzzFeed, Vice, Fox, no, Vox is still happening.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/XUvBI0Ky8uYC6YWJUyXTgTXzoY7FxdWqgHd3-5pkpCVMeRwIj9Qwsez9i_nWFDWT9mxbDrxuyP-3UVH-nh26XPXY3cQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=40.19'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>Vox is still there…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jQx8mbHN_JHNh0e2xd8w812fgOUSbpV4Wl2gJ1kHfkWzc-kcZdj-n3gwCD-D7fjwvOysFN3HOUGuARWCAj2Cmp5aPX0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.5'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>Let's not put that out there. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/cPmJHq-b9uBZRzRi2yvn0ykigdzIV9YPILez2lmJAe0eE_xTqAKFpBWdZDRhfvGnLB_nQsiZmv4btJ3yZ1SJseD-f2c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=44.7'>00:44</a>):</p>
<p>But hey do rely on donations. They do great work by the way.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6ul_WjyBblMTgJMuzWtZICL9jDiXQiNTAat-XlO7N8uxueBqpoIeRSIEk6bQ7MuXF_M7N0q6PqEeFr-36Lh2SkalNdc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=47.44'>00:47</a>):</p>
<p>They do, they do. I think it was Vulture and it's, I mean, not only is it sad when good outlets are just closing down due to finances, but it kind of makes our job as PR pros more of a challenge, especially if you are working in sectors that would pitch often to those outlets or just rely on them, and as news consumers for covering areas of our world that really need that kind of coverage. So we just want to chat today about “Hey, how's it going with your pitching?” And how can we best adapt to this in service of our clients? So fun .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/fzLjoarcF50hiFq_QEWrs1oXru4_3XjGZLH3u9-Dy9eYV_roRp-4NRfw4yiXV_ECcrtVOCGdMixz9CcwbmAe7R4PE8s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=97.56'>01:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And we don't want to trot out the same, like, don't only push the lever of earned media. It's really about the landscape is pretty ugly right now.  And in some sectors, it's slow. It's not that you're not going to get coverage, but things take a lot longer than they used to. And part of that is due to the changes that have happened in the media landscape. People not having always one assigned beat. They're covering multiple beats or publications using a lot of freelancers, and so they don't have people on staff. And then people just being bombarded, probably a little burned out, and a little scared also because they have many attacks against their income sources. You know, freelancers have had to go with the California fallout and that cut their income because they could only work so many stories before they were considered to be employees. I mean, there's just been a lot in media over the past several years. Now there's the AI thing, and I will say that it's not just about outlets and journalists. What I'm seeing, and I'm sure that you all are seeing this too, is that there are fewer and fewer quality stories.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pgFI5x0ziKXEeDpgGg8cOFZC2y36H4rk0BChw7WFfqDv7v7ISzl27hpUlLpH6DPAbY0Jqj-pD0JkywFV-co-wPyhIOM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.4'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>Mm-hmm. . Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DTsRcO-SptR2Kn88UBhhWgQ596PA3XBoNuQiHNXs5WIlF6_-xyMGq1KEaHJgTKWJhdgux1HdDt8mFbST1qUXOq4mN1k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.76'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>So really to just general topics. I'm not talking about covering politics or the economy. Those reporters have a beat, and the publications that do that work still do it very well. And you get high quality stories. The long form reads are still great stories. You know, The Atlantic, they always do a nice job with their long form stories. I'm talking about those day-to-day news stories. I'm finding that the quality is so shallow and it's just, it's like, okay, why did you even bother to write this? It's almost like they're just filling, you know,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/f4D3deEfpv2acMri0XnDevVstvhr5znSWV0JEAf75a3RXW_xuu-cK49QjaV33g1dqYOZxZbgq_SjLTE5s4Tg8phfytQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=224.11'>03:44</a>):</p>
<p>Filling unsold ad space.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/owliChzHueahpNeOORinVuTjihwUL1hFAyEkd4FfxXxKr5RjmrEayse60kURWp1fxAzZaC3cDuw3HC9YEflY-fbbQ5c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=226.45'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>Say it. Yeah. It's, it's not great. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vV9M5RNvBpHGUv4li8c3NxegGgRiD_Vjq-Zn4cPZ-6TcA6hEz4xlIIAOwd4wbEsx7T4XQf-_0y0eHSfMfvt5wtHiW3A?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=229.51'>03:49</a>):</p>
<p>And yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RMOmYvXDlqkvo87-2D8B8ERDq5G2c-OEdeYcQlL0uSCf-l-Y9qSuz141Km3GqxG-RESbR6rzoSgsvFafxd7mitkNP3c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=231.31'>03:51</a>):</p>
<p>And so when it comes to clients, in terms of finding quality places to tell those stories it may have shifted. I think one thing is that we have to remember that even if your expertise is not in internal communications, that there is a place for the PR pro to ensure that those stories are not only being told externally. Think about the stories that you can help your clients to tell internally. Which is vitally important in these times as companies are dealing with reductions in force. They're dealing with talent recruitment. They're dealing with policies that may be shifting. They may have some employee discontent, the Great Resignation, all of the things that are happening at work, internal stories are part of how we can truly help to impact our clients' businesses. And them being able to leverage that and to strengthen their employer brand is, is as important as driving revenue to the bottom line with those external stories.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gTn4EfMlFt2Kf6lgijfDTw7zgCBO6jpn0TyJ3LjMyTbXzPoYTCvAa0CI7n_AQ4HY_k17mPwMwgXoEQoT_TP-sei4788?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=306.73'>05:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's so true. And you know, I know many companies, especially larger corporations, are very good at their internal comms, and they know how to fold it, you know, to weave it throughout and, and they realize the importance of their internal audience and how they can both strengthen the external view of the company, but also to create that community within. I think that's incredibly important. And  of course then sometimes those communications can be used on both sides. We've talked about this a lot, right? Does your website have a newsroom? Do you tell your stories in other ways? There are all kinds of creative ways to tell a story about maybe an employee that also talks about you - operate all these things that can affect those deciding to do business with you or to raise your profile.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/L4Q72yhE5m2LjAIkUkTiTOsJM_5_kn6P18Pk5mSPO4cjqoetVdiydJruuNOsX4ZaSYgRJPJnnTVoq85u--wvT24rugs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=365.27'>06:05</a>):</p>
<p>I think one of the things that I'm actually enjoying a lot more of lately also is realizing that companies that have strong internal comms teams, because in big companies, you know, they slice and dice those roles very specifically. They are approaching it with a complete insider's view. We bring that external view again, you know, one of the values of solos. And so sometimes we bring things that are creative in different ways that they may not have thought of because they're seeing it from within the company viewpoint, and they're seeing it from that lens, and we see it from a broader lens. And so working with internal teams gets them in excited and energized about things too. So yeah, in our work, we've been working across more departments and bringing them into some of our external things and then supporting their internal things as well.</p>
<p>And it's really brought out a different element. And it's great to see the executives excited about having their team supported, but it's also great to see how excited people get to work with someone new and to do things a little bit differently because they're getting this different perspective. And of course, it's fun for us because we get to work with more people in a company and we get to go deeper in our value proposition. So, you know, don't forget that that's another way to tell the stories is to Right. Enroll more people to collaborate with you from the internal teams and think outside of the box. It doesn't always have to be PR and marketing. It can be the customer success team. It can be, you know, um, specific to a persona. For example, if one of the personas, targets, people work with it, someone to develop it and tell stories and think of different ways you can do it. Think about owned media, podcasts, you know, branded podcasts for companies that you can help them to staff guests. You can even, and I did not realize how easy this was. So I will raise my hand and say I learned something through a friend who created her own streaming show that's on Roku. So I subscribed. I did not know it was so easy to just do your own production.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/8O5VN_9ztJk8ZDKQlVkzJ_daWl4XK_D4Jd8nbdrKHRsjK_0tKKn1_Vk63wOwrcIIQ84W9jAlAkwYngctObvckL6ocpQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=513.29'>08:33</a>):</p>
<p>That’s so cool.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PERWeOCHBP5057vqEr_9bBOkAOyKVm6k7Bzrm47KqFsdrNO_Ccoecfx1J5v1VDOHvmJN6QHwzuaNb_LsiCzjjiqDvq0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=514.16'>08:34</a>):</p>
<p>You can set up a streaming show for your client. If you have a client that loves video and, and maybe is doing YouTube and they want to do more and they want to take them to a different level, level look into streaming.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/BOec-tCpIcbEsNzc_N9Nsnlud3a5pUYKKkeqKfIDr7TH9wN6ZV9cmwfY343RXq1OLuGlhq9lPlIFj6GEftxetqWPJto?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=527'>08:47</a>):</p>
<p>That's phenomenal. And I love what you said about working across departments because it's the best of all worlds, right? Because it's true. We come in and there are things we don't know. So, we can pick up on story ideas of topics that come up that they might just blow off or think, oh, well no one cares about that, but wait, certain audiences do. And then working across all these different departments, they're the ones that know the the depth of what they do and they will bring to light wonderful topics and things that, that can be expanded on and brought to light.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/07iEzcgoCE11_GYT-iNoiE4hrM5LXelJzTM51zxC1362qt-3M0xnMMMYH7Ih8F3ts-20tBHC_FM392ionAwrP-QVLQ8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=568.93'>09:28</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. It does. Again, working across departments gives you richer content to work with externally too, and it helps to keep you aligned and you do, you learn more about the company when you tap into more than one source of information, it really does help us to be much more effective at our jobs and we can pick up on things that are exciting externally that people take for granted. I love that there's always a surprise. There's always something. It could be a bit of information, it could be, you know, a personal story and you're like, wait, that the media would love this and Right. Really? .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LO46tYNWEyGCmHXLQxPUckQRUxtcCUMgPYp8_LKosFB8rBYNvm4vW_qs4GgJATL57ciFxHMMovcxH3gjBuuk5wAhilw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=612.63'>10:12</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. And you're just like, yeah, . And then of course you hope the person's willing to share and all that good stuff. But yeah, it's, it's really exciting and energizing when that does happen. I know I'm in the discovery phase with the client now, and it's just been wonderful to hear their insights and things that, you know, even if I thought long and hard would never have come to my mind. Yeah. Just because I don't serve in their role. I don't know everything.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Qe6S_F9DUIlB7FR46RSFpfZvkBXXxw_QDIzxk9vj-ORyVVxl4TKpYunM902Ltc8TLE8AHsLn0Cky3ADV_xuH06U0gw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=641.34'>10:41</a>):</p>
<p>I know it's one of the joys of our job, right? I think that when we're actually doing the work, we're all in our happy place. Like it's just, we get to do the coolest things. Being a communicator is one of the best jobs on the planet.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/H0s-WoLsYVObzsBNBp53OdAGBA6sYIU_gHrhYRT5SDrZIMTdXUGMuoERnU1_sm7Ak5LuLvgXHtD3xfBkHr9s8s0MevE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=653.58'>10:53</a>):</p>
<p>It is. It is. You're part teacher, you're part psychologist, , part therapist, part town crier,  part, grammar nerd ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vAxSUK3QvdvY51yj3si3vPUz_mV7U55lpxTX89emZou0YCcofvtwprazRcbfkB4hoigyULL-LRmSimGOK5Qt9nmi35g?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=664.13'>11:04</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely all of the things</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aaY4u-GX4dvZQPg-q9o4Yv4nA6sh449kj5q9vO3WtOg8J0DLpY7PmMEJ-FG_bAs7DcagvvXMwq7710WETmJ2ycCnAdw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=666.36'>11:06</a>):</p>
<p>Rolled into one ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ux38tJpkH2G_IYofI_gQAj8vqb2oqmkhtTbOqvZvAfeRZ_l83rbleOlvPcSZiW63DPDqR466PLFMSVw4T5Np62fszT0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=668.46'>11:08</a>):</p>
<p>All of the things .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/1pzJ6ZXXsdQ2BXhp7PB9DAkK1OspKbhgcD7nMtYtnO4mTLvx4ZHskR8SSJDZvzxMxykQj5GMGlJCXK2S5gEBNC0oqag?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=670.71'>11:10</a>):</p>
<p>So, so yeah. You know, we - even though the landscape is ever-changing - we don't ever want you to feel frustrated or demoralized. If anything, and I think it's also part of the DNA of the role that we serve. It's like, okay, that's not going to get me down. How else can we do this?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NTf4kfrkXGqZD_MpXvVKYUiCdIQ_pkdj-IxbU_tgQpX63Qk_XDVF-kJeH-Wwkdo7TtRGltANP0DcRuhFfAAg8UPIkX4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=693.39'>11:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because the media landscape is going to continue to shift. And one of the underlying themes to all of this is money. Media shifted away from subscription models with the internet and everything was free and accessible, and they switched to advertising models. And advertising dollars have kind of dried up. There's, everyone's not advertising anymore. And then a lot of people took the initiative to create their own media companies. So you had more and more outlets that were out there competing for attention, for eyeballs. And now people are trying to go back to subscription models. So you see things like sets where there's certain stories you can read for free, but then you have to subscribe to get everything right. You know,</p>
<p>That's a great source to also tap into for stories. But I just think that because the models are all over the place, like how many people are you really going to get to subscribe to just individual stories rather than an entire outlet that's filled with a variety of stories? Yeah. I, it could work for individual creators to have enough interest to sustain them, which is, I think is fabulous. And I'm always here for writers taking charge of their income and, and having ways to be directly paid by their audiences, because I think that's an important avenue. But as a media business model on its own, it's probably not for way to go.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/988D8N5uC6GkMfxCiaun7N93Hoz6aMwy0M2zrmPDmGi4rFowPAJw6uRMXq_UxwF2FN7bjRjhqQ--RZULL4jKZzmKJF4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.95'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>No, I don't think so. You probably think of something like a Substack, which many writers are setting up, but as far as trying to get our client stories out, it doesn't quite align. Doesn't quite line up. So yeah. I wish there was an easy answer to it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UUMsrNII-PLBNb6iv7oFu8QHkHNcTJWQQ9vyAcWnna-_l4c47rTUzhvSchjeKpv2vnD35VMJLd5Ohy9OD1DYu2E1CkU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=812.02'>13:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, there's not. There's digging and searching for reporters that are a fit regardless of where they write, you know? Searching for people that will best tell your client's story and tell a rich story. Trades are just the lifeblood, I think, for so many of us because they deliver. They may not all be tier one outlets, but they really deliver on the promise. You can find your audience with trades, and you can get quality stories, you can get byline opportunities. They're still doing the work.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eEsTkEsAgYOktvPPfMpF8okwsntJKM9hdz82Fama-z8d305rnaDTTST_zDQfM_4TlLjYBRFYGHx2pJDdNIfhymb6Rcg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=848.41'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/jTHoVCEsMEeOKvmQoccDn1JmT6TebSYnKL2Cx7kLQ5WJkEqV7tyd2XuSUUJ1J6Xzcm93LKDem19z00YSrD6dTezYZM4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=848.9'>14:08</a>):</p>
<p>And it's harder to get into tier one unless you have hard news. And so when you're dealing with clients, most clients don't have hard news all the time. They just don't. So you have to work with what you have to work with. Media relations is still very viable. It's not dead, folks. Right. It's still doable, but it is important to start to be creative and think outside of that box and expand a little bit, even if it's expanding in the types of opportunities that you seek and the type of outlets that you pitch. If you've never added podcast in, you might want to add podcast into the rotation. If you've never thought about your client putting their expertise into a book, um, or Oh yeah. They don't have any own media channels of their own, you know, start to think about those things as well.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/rqnLGFc5zOcta979TcrDgmg7GeL_6PXD57WEjxUD4Bb7t9tR3diQKu0krq8BydUra8m_Hul0roTvsnEEjTf3Eu0Bhq0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=900.33'>15:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D44nsjs7gUTUOZQDKbuPeN27OQj7UAA9v85LlygAU6Fu-AW3ScgllGo-hdIMMCI05GgU38B0dueM4KvThOXd3cFXC54?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=901.43'>15:01</a>):</p>
<p>That’s another one. Add different ways of thought leadership into the, into the mix.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mu-zOeXSIi7jqsMmzMfiPfDJdcGC3ZefiIUFIqFHYrlVyjEYWwGwjxP8t6B4In6TQx9fCg3FAIsoCLJMlbOxiKprNdE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=906.98'>15:06</a>):</p>
<p>Agree, agree. And like with anything, manage those expectations. That's those teachable moments because we all still have those clients that are saying, get me on the Today Show. Yeah. . Yeah. Which we have to just, you know, calmly say, well now what exactly are you expecting to accomplish ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VjcRwyd8oQbjMBTTKMpvQ9in5M7Fc1mmhmtjdG7u-tnCKQ4Uc53nuR08Tx_s0exA6DbA4AvskQMKl6JueXCTsS6M1zk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.55'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, sometimes success can also, you know, we have a client and we just did a campaign and we delivered way above and beyond what was</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5RYTWOYWvJi2q1DiDADyw8ONf9hRMuxCZrzRTzYzYZ3xYvTrMqOGpxaDrhwRV0WZWrQGeVuFVrwVN5pzxqM4RixiAp0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=943.52'>15:43</a>):</p>
<p>Of course you did.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/aUBjIV1LP-eVzgkEqwIIjrG1CXRLhXu1sXHiwHKdxLsXvC4MA9HCDRPMQXZgHAr6oyi28DrfW4Xl2xUerwKvo8uYElE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=944.96'>15:44</a>):</p>
<p>And then we started freaking out, like, oh my God, we hope that they don't expect this every month. Because it's not going to happen every single month like this where it's just explosive coverage and, you know, so it's funny how we do that. We kill it and then we're like, oh my God, we killed it. Are they going to expect every month? Because I’d die if we have to do this every single month.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VB0tAc_MKvGI_T4aRRvoxkQ5U1J5Wosn7xOMkTd9-6nHu42gkUC0Eg6Cy79kZu_MXgSL0NCPzA5U0FVXwll0_BgFBQ4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=967.16'>16:07</a>):</p>
<p>It's just not feasible. You don't want to fire hose an audience either. So  Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OPlpHk8E_BSxsj9oNXdqJSwt7XmXBK6-8kl2UZFbY6fp07Veopq99OBd5E-ejkU_IqcG8n_PExFhtoWRwjrp3rCsXN0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=975.26'>16:15</a>):</p>
<p>Not pitch, don't anything. Way more stories than we were supposed to be. No more pitching. No pitching.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrN0K3B0SRACIc8WgnQS4KtqdBI40nAAfgurWgxOnGJVmscUn1GMWepmllffaBlPHnHmudCbPNpuHZJaYTtFjZbjxYE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=983.51'>16:23</a>):</p>
<p>I'm all pitched out. And, you know, honestly, that's where other items like a podcast or thought leadership articles, that's where it can fall nicely into that mix so that you are not,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/tOfnvqsUtgTldqpF22D-wnqerfr5Or_NIcyvY-2ly-WnPA4AIvYaBXaDY4XIQwmmh6y7_MSWrBbo0lt8iewKRsyPMVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=998.02'>16:38</a>):</p>
<p>You have to mix in the, the longer term opportunities. Although these ways, everything seems to be a longer term opportunities, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3lqmeGK8sASMV1WupWMfiHTQaUnYsyh6WaVUKr7p_bk_D6v6nRXgctFITJVrvdd7I2vVyegflkYHXbDzbE71NxFpG5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1005.29'>16:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/LUH73EmtZqthPWY6z9hnCwVMDd5gKRl61psulO_S4WNK573iaOuP9hmVisfvuJJBajh5M2tpd5KdOXEqZ5o9DidlvII?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1006.04'>16:46</a>):</p>
<p>You want to get the shorter term things, but you want to focus on the long game too, and things like podcasts, you pitch them, you're not always going to get immediate responses. You will not always be able to book guests within the week or the month. Some shows have seasons, and they may already be booked up for the season and be booking well into their next season, which could be later this year. It could be 2024. We all know the long lead publications and then just in general, you know, so it's good  to have a mix of opportunities that could hit at different times because agree, our goal is steady Eddie, rolling thunder. You know, we want to keep building, building, building.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/c1sY2TtRELYnsb4N2ZcGWcz7A5RSRlSX1tRFysbMgVrArv_MtQs_jKyg87pyDUdMqhk7yd2Tcbgm2tG7ZUUDRLKNMP8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1049.6'>17:29</a>):</p>
<p>I love these names. Keep going. . No, it's true. It's true. And, uh, as I couch them, you know, these opportunities to talk about yourself, you know, as a business, you want them to be valid and, and to be in a variety of places, it's always going to serve you well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/28CjEr-73KiUJJHTU0XBzGOfHlCaRCsSc7ZS50ninz6foAzFOpyqUKAWRS4tcD4YhRanpMR1ZGH3SX99Fqtrd_pGPak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1070.67'>17:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I mean, I'd love to hear from Solo PR Pros who are doing anything in the metaverse because it's been declared dead by many media outlets, but I have definitely seen some success stories from people who are doing really creative things there. So, I realize that even Mark Zuckerberg has now stopped talking about the metaverse, we're not hearing anything about it. I believe that they pulled jobs away from that sector. But if you're doing something there and you're doing it for your clients, we'd love to hear about it, because that's a topic that we've not addressed here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MUQjVkUOei3VFR2XdBxyfAa9chw6n1ZDv5qvTXNYzMl5PR2T_J22qGKiL5_brxBnKyisgykNQ9FuwmzM2dKaTGFbiiE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1108.77'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>That is true. Yeah. We would love to hear your stories and honestly, we want to hear your experiences in general. How are you finding things? Please let us know. It's soloprpro.com because we would love to take all of your input and talk about this again. It's going to be an ever-changing topic that we can come back to from time to time. But if you found this time valuable, which we hope you did, we thank you for spending it with us, please do share this episode around. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[With media outlets shuttering and reporter beats expanding, getting our clients’ stories told continues to be a challenge. The good news is PR pros are resilient, creative, and smart. In this episode we talk about all the ways to navigate this wave of media madness with success!
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me. I'm Michelle Kane, my company is VoiceMatters, and I'm here as always with the wonderful Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. How are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
I am doing great, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:21):
I'm well, I'm well, thanks. And I'm kind of excited about our topic today. Oh, what the heck. I love all our topics, but we're just going to focus on media madness. You know, it's been really kind of a bummer lately. All of these outlets shuttering, BuzzFeed, Vice, Fox, no, Vox is still happening.
Karen Swim, APR (00:40):
Vox is still there…
Michelle Kane (00:42):
Let's not put that out there. .
Karen Swim, APR (00:44):
But hey do rely on donations. They do great work by the way.
Michelle Kane (00:47):
They do, they do. I think it was Vulture and it's, I mean, not only is it sad when good outlets are just closing down due to finances, but it kind of makes our job as PR pros more of a challenge, especially if you are working in sectors that would pitch often to those outlets or just rely on them, and as news consumers for covering areas of our world that really need that kind of coverage. So we just want to chat today about “Hey, how's it going with your pitching?” And how can we best adapt to this in service of our clients? So fun .
Karen Swim, APR (01:37):
Yeah. And we don't want to trot out the same, like, don't only push the lever of earned media. It's really about the landscape is pretty ugly right now.  And in some sectors, it's slow. It's not that you're not going to get coverage, but things take a lot longer than they used to. And part of that is due to the changes that have happened in the media landscape. People not having always one assigned beat. They're covering multiple beats or publications using a lot of freelancers, and so they don't have people on staff. And then people just being bombarded, probably a little burned out, and a little scared also because they have many attacks against their income sources. You know, freelancers have had to go with the California fallout and that cut their income because they could only work so many stories before they were considered to be employees. I mean, there's just been a lot in media over the past several years. Now there's the AI thing, and I will say that it's not just about outlets and journalists. What I'm seeing, and I'm sure that you all are seeing this too, is that there are fewer and fewer quality stories.
Michelle Kane (03:03):
Mm-hmm. . Yes.
Karen Swim, APR (03:03):
So really to just general topics. I'm not talking about covering politics or the economy. Those reporters have a beat, and the publications that do that work still do it very well. And you get high quality stories. The long form reads are still great stories. You know, The Atlantic, they always do a nice job with their long form stories. I'm talking about those day-to-day news stories. I'm finding that the quality is so shallow and it's just, it's like, okay, why did you even bother to write this? It's almost like they're just filling, you know,
Michelle Kane (03:44):
Filling unsold ad space.
Karen Swim, APR (03:46):
Say it. Yeah. It's, it's not great. Yeah.
Michelle Kane (03:49):
And yeah.
Karen Swim, APR (03:51):
And so when it comes to clients, in terms of finding quality places to tell those stories it may have shifted. I think one thing is that we have to remember that even if your expertise is not in internal communications, that there is a place for the PR pro to ensure that those stories are not only being told externally. Thin]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>What’s the latest in one of our favorite topics, the future of work? Within corporate America, we are seeing a shift toward calling employees back into the office either on a full-time or hybrid basis. And then there’s the workforce itself. Some people like working remotely or on a hybrid basis. And what about the work itself? Are there opportunities for solo PR pros? You bet. Listen and get inspired.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>The Future of Work
That Solo Life Episode #199</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/61BkGonxkCvCPatPR0ezYwIjgg6hlUScopPyMrZ5ivB6laN9slQrOzgkepnCfWrNfl2okfSWEMt6zfSVvBx3Z1l2sAk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.28'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another episode, another week.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_LorkTBt2Z3KXHmoY_sbeX_bOlN5rtsTHE58AGvOW_eRfiJh3ZT7sq3ryGNJBJT_Hq81k2fjLTvnPCUP1oEHCcEZYTM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.87'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Hello Michelle. How are you doing this week?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6VyF9PzokK-1tcKdIfrqMw6z_7UFsdc20Q-iD8RO9Ir0oQ1ZBUTqPJIAdvUQeks04gTumVa8mMoJj8V9-j8fcYP3HHQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=24.48'>00:24</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I'm well as, as you're listening to this it is May of 2023 and things are popping all of a sudden. It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/92J8dOeUjWy6rAaXEw7A7Y9R02lHJDZeR-Dh9zKnUDf6QI0cmcUBKSPStqD4BHeTm8me5Jh1Sx6bCYv0FS-rPIFpoMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=34.53'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3M8S54SJlXU4Z0fcOTaXN2YbNuGBM0ipcsBWIhNqiIHTmAW7ptT6Z-HBCI8XwoNhR4x9Tv_bOJTDNaTECaFlbYszhgU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=34.92'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think with the, I don't know, event season’s coming, clients are just kind of shaking off the winter doldrums, and it's, it's not a bad place to be at the moment. How about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxOFosoeB0CTRVes0BM8SsnWPrbwufKiqde4YyKdzNx5hUfNrCP4nuaJyz33DcmOkb1wx8xyPY_W5OCt1uwKp20HvZU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=47.64'>00:47</a>):</p>
<p>Same. Lots of activities and lots of invitations, business and personal, but it's really, you know, it's an interesting time because we are still in this major period of change. And, you know, the economy is crazy, right? Like the numbers don't match the mood. Like, it's weird that inflation's declining, but when you look at those numbers, you're like, but really, is it?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Vt_JI8tKR_2ij4SXDGIydMHCdANnZ10CSQg6Ndj2cuWuhgy67whgpCSQl_0MoOLAW9eafuDxaD7NX46nER9nlj7lCI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=81.72'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love that you said that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GNJTCRnyHvWfgjEIKelTRSF7BOYeS5B-2GGfp7fylmKs9lzXuHqw9HM5ppHqFjoCMTDtaKxdFsmIxd5dtBeKrvHYkJQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=84.45'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Isn't really, because things still seem awfully high to me. And the Fed keeps raising interest rates and, and although there's a lot of activity, it also still feels very sluggish. Like things are just slow moving.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bv0p3CKnimw9Tre_f9JxVrhe7t6zuR6cwDt4CnN616dYGAHdrBeeEwWRrpPE6lthg6SpBetcIA9ZAdcIA4fV8nUuoq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=101.01'>01:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Yeah. And it's so weird. It is weird. And we could probably do a whole episode on that, because I'm thinking too, there are the numbers, there's the reality out there, and then there's, like you said, the mood, and it's like, is the mood coming from what we're hearing of everything being bad, bad, bad. It's like, well, it's watchful. It may be bad, it may not be great. And I think once we get this whole debt ceiling, blah, blah, behind us, a lot of us will exhale.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qxyn7zVX5g7UmMCpFTjKmPdKulbGjoL2EfUXOOousFz1DGuftW1mnj1gdJTQDBGupUMAwsTvdWYlUB1ekFbZUXuoLsA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=128.31'>02:08</a>):</p>
<p>It's like a global mismatch in every area of life, you know, like this. But it's not really warm.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MgcWlNEWaiCJi82yK4mXdKuZjZtQY0oH-AMQUKaI_0yNEZXEIGDcMFwrX9sUWb_NAfBmS4QfMIjN60AVHYOJI871tRY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=135.94'>02:15</a>):</p>
<p>We're all like, weird socks, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r6zTQ35yv0y7rnNgRx-EbSyBDsUPgFYMoag83J9xruLrd9epa8Af9B1U_pFKUKRLZUKRm9honAEavIWphOFknc4VyE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=139.29'>02:19</a>):</p>
<p>But the ground is still dry, like , I don't know. Like, things are happening and they're not producing the results that we're accustomed to. So it's just almost like living in two dimensions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bh5Xj3lcJBKPiP6F3cCPkOhD0RJYDG0sDLTs7N1Xul0eXMDuhG9nR9Izox-s-0ckMY3QHjjmr7OWfo_NiNv3Y4NTVVU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=154.11'>02:34</a>):</p>
<p>Speaking of, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B-8jgZ7JcuYYxRtsDVI_pStdcjLCaVSG6gBZXHLKQ--87_zfH4Af-9G1OKzMpbnNN_UJOn9NFvDl925Hppm-8RPloak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=155.89'>02:35</a>):</p>
<p> dimensions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i5v5ygKcDL_UP8HFvKhxYuFRC5MWZLmDXNdpe2YovgI00DMF85DDKGJTK9AsGcLSNdjHzUUrAAqhPiPA-nqFyFzmsiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=157.44'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>So, we wanted to touch on the future of work. We discuss that term about in many of our episodes, but just thinking about, you know, with people being called back to their offices and employers, some employers not really aligning with the realities out there of how people function best in a company. And also, of course, seeing as we are solos, how do we fit into all of that, and how can some of what is happening really work to our advantage? Just a small topic, no big deal, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GsJs_Znljs5IYYmML9oOGJM-x0lEhJHmzMVwacvKDN9zX605i7yoOUw_qNkXRpM2mogBLF398u1GnY8XpQLVwfJGE5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=201.57'>03:21</a>):</p>
<p> it is. Yeah. And future work is one of my favorite things to, yeah. Out in the world. I, I love this topic. Every aspect of it as it applies to corporations that applies to employees and also to solos. This is just one of the things that I love to talk about. And so the future of work landscape is, it's interesting because we have so many structural shifts in the way that we think about work and what constitutes work in the way that days are structured, in the way that jobs are structured, in the way that, you know, in the location, the physical location of where work gets done. And so we have this, of course, this divide with work that can technically be done from anywhere, and then work that really is location dependent. So for example, you can't at this point have, you know, doctors doing everything remotely.</p>
<p>Although there's a subset of services that can be delivered virtually or outside of a physician's office or a hospital. You have concierge doctors that are bringing clinics to you. You have a direct primary care that is that same model where rather than you going to a location, but you still need hospitals, you still need ERs, you need places where people can go. We're seeing lots of things go to e-commerce, but then people still need some places where they can physically touch or try on things. And so it's just a really interesting time. But as we talk about some companies pulling back on their work from home policies and forcing a return to office, some forcing a full-on return to office, others going with sort of hybrid policies, it's easy to think, well, everything's changing for the traditional work landscape and not realize that solos have a huge role in the future of work.</p>
<p>And so, yeah, one of the things we wanted to talk about today are the opportunities. Yes, there is so much data to support that when companies outsource and leverage people like us, Solo PR, small agencies, they actually have a competitive and a financial advantage. We are hugely important to those companies that truly are intentionally integrating people like us into their workforce plans. We are that resource that allows companies to hire for things that are not in their core competencies. So they get the efficiency of having a workforce that's wholly focused on things that are the most important to them operating. But then they get to leverage an outside expert for the things that they don't, that's not core to what they do. It's not central to their mission. And they get the advantage of bringing in a person or a team, if you're a team that knows the business that they're in, has that expertise, can jump in, ramp up quickly, and just do the work that is definitely needed as we move forward into the future.</p>
<p>And, you know, we see things like AI and people waging war against AI. It is a mistake to think that you can replace all humans with AI, right? It is not a mistake to believe that AI is forcing us to think about how we use people more efficiently. I think that's the real message of AI is that, not that it replaces people, but how can we make the most of human beings and what we have to offer? So for example, yes, you can use AI in your writing and you can use it for ideation and for draft creation and for finding sources. But you need the human creativity, the human intellect and experience to fact check, to verify, to add humanity, to copy. Otherwise, it'll be just dry and boring. Even when AI is trained to do your brand voice, you still need a human, right?</p>
<p>So I think that as we lean into that theme of optimizing human resources, solos are a huge part of that. Yeah. And we should, we should sell that as part of what we do, but we also need to, to recognize that there are many employers who seek to be employers of choice. And part of being an employer of choice is leveraging the independent workforce. So there's space for us. And, I guess I say that because sometimes it can feel like we're on the outside of all of that, right? And we're cool with it. Like, you know, we're cool being the hippie kids over here doing our own thing, making our own way. But we actually do have a role in the traditional landscape that does not require us going back to corporate America, sitting in a cubicle and being told who the work that have to do and for a fixed set of hours. We really are part of that bigger work ecosystem.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YuYMaLG5ELKgmKDlo3XcUU2XngqupPRIXY0nkM5b1W7RLRbYr-AQN1asO03yG2G-UJ1G4pOWD59HCNVtejTEHT-Oyz8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=543.39'>09:03</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, completely. Completely. And you know, I love what you're saying with optimizing efficiencies, especially when, you know, companies are really still having difficulty hiring. Now, the dark side, the Darth Vader in me feels that that could be because you aren't paying people  and maybe experiment with your wages and see what happens. But I know that's not everyone. But if you are short staffed, or need to add people in your core competencies, then my goodness, why wouldn't you avail yourselves of the gifts that a solo professional can bring you for your marketing, your public relations?</p>
<p>That's really one of my main pillars - I tell clients and prospects all the time, You may be frustrated trying to do this on your own. Well, first of all, I'll gently remind you, it's not your profession . And secondly, you already have a job, you already have plenty to fill your days with. So yeah don't feel bad about not being able to hit your marketing goals. That's why you bring in someone like a solo or a small shop. They can act as your defacto department. And, that way also, I mean, let's just cut to the bare bones of it. You're not paying overhead for a solo. You don't have to worry about insuring a solo or providing a solo with paid vacation or all those things, or worrying about those slow periods. You know, we work out our agreements with you. So we are really, I don't want to say we're, you know, a stealth weapon, but in some circles, it maybe it just hasn't crossed the minds of a lot of companies that “Oh yeah, you know what, that could work.” And it can work without imposing a threat to your current employee base. Just say, “No, they're here to help with X, Y, Z,” and it should lift everyone up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Yvqoy4MOQ0YxbvQE1aMIM-S6ZtT8kdEElQfhmH84IzCgFWcRvlO1R9bhD48DXROwrkaSlCdYGvY0EHUVZNmMS71Yaw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=671.25'>11:11</a>):</p>
<p>And I think the younger, the new generation workforce could care less. They're used to, they have a side hustle, they could care less. They're not threatened. It's interesting that even as we are fully seeing this future of work and this new landscape, and I think there's a lot more changes ahead, there are still many companies that treat hiring independent contractors like an embarrassment. They won't talk about it, they won't talk about their policies, they don't embrace it openly. They do it and it's fine and it works, but they don't go on record about it. And I think that that will shift in in the future. Corporate America is like a big old train and it just takes a long time to switch directions. But it's really weird to me, in this day and age, it's like, why are you embarrassed about that? That's just so random.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UlX8OCsKwnxcs7GthXObx5FTUIGY-LKZgzfs_gGFnK_Kxc26KSK3J35_SUhpOGPr-64UcgHN1d1Zh9CX309PBDvgEI4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=741.93'>12:21</a>):</p>
<p>That's crazy. That's wild. It's like why? It shows that you're smart.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4xEh6fPCiTlbn0WE8WaMdmprXxq7LreLcQ3Ypsv7ZKDtyXGqtv5yuLWrLyP7ojDtLAxtAWsm6lOu0D0ofYAXWKRze7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=746.84'>12:26</a>):</p>
<p>And probably for for public relations, less so for our sector, because hiring outside agencies has been something that has been done for decades, and there's no embarrassment about it. It's really the norm. Even when you have internal PR people, or an internal team, you still need outside agency help. So in our sector, we don't see that embarrassment, but, you know, I deal with this larger future of work landscape. And when you're talking about other types of contractors, companies don't want to talk about it. I promise you, they do not want to go on record and talk about any of it. And I hope that that changes. Because the more the companies are willing to step up and talk about the value that they get from hiring experts, and you're hiring people like you're scoping out work and you're hiring people to do it, and you're paying them.</p>
<p>It's just such a beautiful, simple proposition. You don't have all those extras, and as you said, Michelle, they're not having to take care of our needs. We're businesses, we're businesses who take care of ourselves. But I also want to note to any companies that are listening to us, the reality is, is that please don't believe that hiring an independent or small agency means that it's going to be cheap. You're not getting a bargain in terms of rates. What you are getting is that you're saving a lot of time and money because you don't have to train them. You don't have to teach them how to do their job. And you're getting the value of not only their expertise within the sector that you're hiring them for, but you're also getting something that companies are losing. And that's institutional knowledge.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrTKSXEKMfMG4hmf8vQZnIBm8whQAHb869lA1F9GBAVFHyC1b_NWG_Tgdv58B8avTTLECqPIz3p1dIviwayKEQNu01Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=857.2'>14:17</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V88-reUEX9FGE-h8f4GR2XoJk5z-FIVjvtGSeX7I0heJkdSJqszrUuGzBipCod9D-i9sgjmD83pmONRaoUuTDGO7gso?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=858.13'>14:18</a>):</p>
<p>We've had the Great Resignation. So many people have come and gone. Every time somebody leaves your company, they take a little bit of the secret sauce with them. It's gone. Unless you have set up infrastructure to capture that information you remember working and all of the little, and, and even now when we work, we have shortcuts. We have hacks, we have things that we know, we have things that we know about clients that we've worked with a long time. So we possess that institutional knowledge. When you lose that, it's almost like starting over every time your workforce turns over. And that's happening a lot. And I do not believe that that trend is necessarily going to change in the short term, because you have a younger generation. As I said to my sister-in-law yesterday, they're comfortable meandering for a long time.</p>
<p>They’re in their thirties and long ago, that was an age where you really were kind of settled into your career. But the newer generation of workers, they're quite comfortable not having the things that we valued when we were coming up in our careers. And they're perfectly happy to go and take any job and they could care less. They don't care about owning a house. They just, a lot of the things that, again, were important to my generation are not important to them. And so you're going to still see turnover because they're not going to stick around for five or seven years. And so they're going to come in and they're going to learn those things and they're going to hopefully add some value while they're there and they're going to add some practices and they're going to leave and that's going to walk out of the door with them.</p>
<p>But as solos, we bring not only the value of, especially when we have those long-term relationships. So we bring the value of not only preserving some institutional knowledge for your company, but we work with lots of companies. And so we have the benefit of being able to bring all of the best practices that we've been exposed to, to any individual clients. This does not mean that we're giving away trade secrets, it's just that we've seen ways that things work better. So we incorporate all of those things into our work. We learn from our clients, too. We see something, a process is being done well, and we adapt that, and then we're able to be more efficient for the next client. And so, you know, that's valuable and it's a value that internal teams don't have because they're working in a singular company. They only know how things are done in their company, in their industry, and that's it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yEwBWV8OifjqajhqaCX_Iwe70Znlcww0TkBbsdBAqaDoU49NCvaYoUgKhuhKKvLj9j7vHLuBWtJ2Ek2pFcDT7480a5c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1026.38'>17:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, I'll reverse that too. You know, as our own businesses we're exposed to people and experiences that they may not be exposed to. So, you know, case in point, just looking for opportunities where a client might be able to shine, whether that's events thought leadership, anything, we bring that back to them. Not only do we do that, but with our longer term clients, we're going to know, we're going to be able to do those initial gut checks of what's a good fit for someone. If you're approached about a program or something and you just think, mm, no, but here's what they would like, can we make that happen? And take that back to them. It's truly so much to your benefit if you're out there listening. If you do have a need within your organization and it's something where you're either having a difficult time hiring or you're just not really sure how to solve for x in that given situation to reach out to a solo. What's the worst that could happen? We say goodbye after a couple of weeks? Okay. And that's how we learn.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PuMG56oJpY0_v5_s0TCh-Ji1ddH0uLELzY_5TQJ1oAFF3ssRBg3K-rPvnjIiQ6wzO8dzjcTHDvhsW1L5yWM8QKwFCc8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1094.55'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>Another value of, honestly, I mean I I adhere to this practice in, in my own business as well, is that it's a professional contract. It's a business to business contract. You are not, I'm not stuck with someone for life. If I bring somebody on for a scope of work and it's not the best fit, then we part ways, you know? They get paid for the work that they did, and you move on. And so that is another benefit, is that you're not making this decision to be married to this contractor for the rest of your time in business. It really can be, it's a great way to trial people. Sometimes there's such a great chemistry between contractors and clients that there have been solos that do go back into the corporate world for something that really moves them. So it's a great way to have a bench of talent by working with independents as well. Not every independent wants to remain independent for the rest of their life. People can move in and out of independence. And so sometimes your next best employee may actually be an independent.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0DU48qz9LeRaWoGh52MylYuW5ig_iavJZaAdH5nfqUjmGsHF8D5HSwO7jQR6RBavMDAT8mwvQzEpjtsi_0O0JBj7KWM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1164.75'>19:24</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So true. It's so true. So, you know, we hope this has enlightened you or made you think in new and different ways, which is always fun. And, you know, let us know. Let us know what you're thinking. Check us out solo pr pro.com. We, we definitely want to hear your feedback. So please, please, please provide it. If this was of value to you, please do share it around. And until next time, thank you so much for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s the latest in one of our favorite topics, the future of work? Within corporate America, we are seeing a shift toward calling employees back into the office either on a full-time or hybrid basis. And then there’s the workforce itself. Some people like working remotely or on a hybrid basis. And what about the work itself? Are there opportunities for solo PR pros? You bet. Listen and get inspired.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>The Future of Work<br>
That Solo Life Episode #199</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/61BkGonxkCvCPatPR0ezYwIjgg6hlUScopPyMrZ5ivB6laN9slQrOzgkepnCfWrNfl2okfSWEMt6zfSVvBx3Z1l2sAk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.28'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another episode, another week.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_LorkTBt2Z3KXHmoY_sbeX_bOlN5rtsTHE58AGvOW_eRfiJh3ZT7sq3ryGNJBJT_Hq81k2fjLTvnPCUP1oEHCcEZYTM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=20.87'>00:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Hello Michelle. How are you doing this week?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6VyF9PzokK-1tcKdIfrqMw6z_7UFsdc20Q-iD8RO9Ir0oQ1ZBUTqPJIAdvUQeks04gTumVa8mMoJj8V9-j8fcYP3HHQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=24.48'>00:24</a>):</p>
<p>I'm well, I'm well as, as you're listening to this it is May of 2023 and things are popping all of a sudden. It's,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/92J8dOeUjWy6rAaXEw7A7Y9R02lHJDZeR-Dh9zKnUDf6QI0cmcUBKSPStqD4BHeTm8me5Jh1Sx6bCYv0FS-rPIFpoMk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=34.53'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3M8S54SJlXU4Z0fcOTaXN2YbNuGBM0ipcsBWIhNqiIHTmAW7ptT6Z-HBCI8XwoNhR4x9Tv_bOJTDNaTECaFlbYszhgU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=34.92'>00:34</a>):</p>
<p>I think with the, I don't know, event season’s coming, clients are just kind of shaking off the winter doldrums, and it's, it's not a bad place to be at the moment. How about you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/xxOFosoeB0CTRVes0BM8SsnWPrbwufKiqde4YyKdzNx5hUfNrCP4nuaJyz33DcmOkb1wx8xyPY_W5OCt1uwKp20HvZU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=47.64'>00:47</a>):</p>
<p>Same. Lots of activities and lots of invitations, business and personal, but it's really, you know, it's an interesting time because we are still in this major period of change. And, you know, the economy is crazy, right? Like the numbers don't match the mood. Like, it's weird that inflation's declining, but when you look at those numbers, you're like, but really, is it?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0Vt_JI8tKR_2ij4SXDGIydMHCdANnZ10CSQg6Ndj2cuWuhgy67whgpCSQl_0MoOLAW9eafuDxaD7NX46nER9nlj7lCI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=81.72'>01:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I love that you said that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GNJTCRnyHvWfgjEIKelTRSF7BOYeS5B-2GGfp7fylmKs9lzXuHqw9HM5ppHqFjoCMTDtaKxdFsmIxd5dtBeKrvHYkJQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=84.45'>01:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Isn't really, because things still seem awfully high to me. And the Fed keeps raising interest rates and, and although there's a lot of activity, it also still feels very sluggish. Like things are just slow moving.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bv0p3CKnimw9Tre_f9JxVrhe7t6zuR6cwDt4CnN616dYGAHdrBeeEwWRrpPE6lthg6SpBetcIA9ZAdcIA4fV8nUuoq4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=101.01'>01:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Yeah. And it's so weird. It is weird. And we could probably do a whole episode on that, because I'm thinking too, there are the numbers, there's the reality out there, and then there's, like you said, the mood, and it's like, is the mood coming from what we're hearing of everything being bad, bad, bad. It's like, well, it's watchful. It may be bad, it may not be great. And I think once we get this whole debt ceiling, blah, blah, behind us, a lot of us will exhale.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qxyn7zVX5g7UmMCpFTjKmPdKulbGjoL2EfUXOOousFz1DGuftW1mnj1gdJTQDBGupUMAwsTvdWYlUB1ekFbZUXuoLsA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=128.31'>02:08</a>):</p>
<p>It's like a global mismatch in every area of life, you know, like this. But it's not really warm.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/MgcWlNEWaiCJi82yK4mXdKuZjZtQY0oH-AMQUKaI_0yNEZXEIGDcMFwrX9sUWb_NAfBmS4QfMIjN60AVHYOJI871tRY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=135.94'>02:15</a>):</p>
<p>We're all like, weird socks, ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/r6zTQ35yv0y7rnNgRx-EbSyBDsUPgFYMoag83J9xruLrd9epa8Af9B1U_pFKUKRLZUKRm9honAEavIWphOFknc4VyE0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=139.29'>02:19</a>):</p>
<p>But the ground is still dry, like , I don't know. Like, things are happening and they're not producing the results that we're accustomed to. So it's just almost like living in two dimensions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bh5Xj3lcJBKPiP6F3cCPkOhD0RJYDG0sDLTs7N1Xul0eXMDuhG9nR9Izox-s-0ckMY3QHjjmr7OWfo_NiNv3Y4NTVVU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=154.11'>02:34</a>):</p>
<p>Speaking of, yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/B-8jgZ7JcuYYxRtsDVI_pStdcjLCaVSG6gBZXHLKQ--87_zfH4Af-9G1OKzMpbnNN_UJOn9NFvDl925Hppm-8RPloak?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=155.89'>02:35</a>):</p>
<p> dimensions.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/i5v5ygKcDL_UP8HFvKhxYuFRC5MWZLmDXNdpe2YovgI00DMF85DDKGJTK9AsGcLSNdjHzUUrAAqhPiPA-nqFyFzmsiA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=157.44'>02:37</a>):</p>
<p>So, we wanted to touch on the future of work. We discuss that term about in many of our episodes, but just thinking about, you know, with people being called back to their offices and employers, some employers not really aligning with the realities out there of how people function best in a company. And also, of course, seeing as we are solos, how do we fit into all of that, and how can some of what is happening really work to our advantage? Just a small topic, no big deal, but</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GsJs_Znljs5IYYmML9oOGJM-x0lEhJHmzMVwacvKDN9zX605i7yoOUw_qNkXRpM2mogBLF398u1GnY8XpQLVwfJGE5U?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=201.57'>03:21</a>):</p>
<p> it is. Yeah. And future work is one of my favorite things to, yeah. Out in the world. I, I love this topic. Every aspect of it as it applies to corporations that applies to employees and also to solos. This is just one of the things that I love to talk about. And so the future of work landscape is, it's interesting because we have so many structural shifts in the way that we think about work and what constitutes work in the way that days are structured, in the way that jobs are structured, in the way that, you know, in the location, the physical location of where work gets done. And so we have this, of course, this divide with work that can technically be done from anywhere, and then work that really is location dependent. So for example, you can't at this point have, you know, doctors doing everything remotely.</p>
<p>Although there's a subset of services that can be delivered virtually or outside of a physician's office or a hospital. You have concierge doctors that are bringing clinics to you. You have a direct primary care that is that same model where rather than you going to a location, but you still need hospitals, you still need ERs, you need places where people can go. We're seeing lots of things go to e-commerce, but then people still need some places where they can physically touch or try on things. And so it's just a really interesting time. But as we talk about some companies pulling back on their work from home policies and forcing a return to office, some forcing a full-on return to office, others going with sort of hybrid policies, it's easy to think, well, everything's changing for the traditional work landscape and not realize that solos have a huge role in the future of work.</p>
<p>And so, yeah, one of the things we wanted to talk about today are the opportunities. Yes, there is so much data to support that when companies outsource and leverage people like us, Solo PR, small agencies, they actually have a competitive and a financial advantage. We are hugely important to those companies that truly are intentionally integrating people like us into their workforce plans. We are that resource that allows companies to hire for things that are not in their core competencies. So they get the efficiency of having a workforce that's wholly focused on things that are the most important to them operating. But then they get to leverage an outside expert for the things that they don't, that's not core to what they do. It's not central to their mission. And they get the advantage of bringing in a person or a team, if you're a team that knows the business that they're in, has that expertise, can jump in, ramp up quickly, and just do the work that is definitely needed as we move forward into the future.</p>
<p>And, you know, we see things like AI and people waging war against AI. It is a mistake to think that you can replace all humans with AI, right? It is not a mistake to believe that AI is forcing us to think about how we use people more efficiently. I think that's the real message of AI is that, not that it replaces people, but how can we make the most of human beings and what we have to offer? So for example, yes, you can use AI in your writing and you can use it for ideation and for draft creation and for finding sources. But you need the human creativity, the human intellect and experience to fact check, to verify, to add humanity, to copy. Otherwise, it'll be just dry and boring. Even when AI is trained to do your brand voice, you still need a human, right?</p>
<p>So I think that as we lean into that theme of optimizing human resources, solos are a huge part of that. Yeah. And we should, we should sell that as part of what we do, but we also need to, to recognize that there are many employers who seek to be employers of choice. And part of being an employer of choice is leveraging the independent workforce. So there's space for us. And, I guess I say that because sometimes it can feel like we're on the outside of all of that, right? And we're cool with it. Like, you know, we're cool being the hippie kids over here doing our own thing, making our own way. But we actually do have a role in the traditional landscape that does not require us going back to corporate America, sitting in a cubicle and being told who the work that have to do and for a fixed set of hours. We really are part of that bigger work ecosystem.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YuYMaLG5ELKgmKDlo3XcUU2XngqupPRIXY0nkM5b1W7RLRbYr-AQN1asO03yG2G-UJ1G4pOWD59HCNVtejTEHT-Oyz8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=543.39'>09:03</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, completely. Completely. And you know, I love what you're saying with optimizing efficiencies, especially when, you know, companies are really still having difficulty hiring. Now, the dark side, the Darth Vader in me feels that that could be because you aren't paying people  and maybe experiment with your wages and see what happens. But I know that's not everyone. But if you are short staffed, or need to add people in your core competencies, then my goodness, why wouldn't you avail yourselves of the gifts that a solo professional can bring you for your marketing, your public relations?</p>
<p>That's really one of my main pillars - I tell clients and prospects all the time, You may be frustrated trying to do this on your own. Well, first of all, I'll gently remind you, it's not your profession . And secondly, you already have a job, you already have plenty to fill your days with. So yeah don't feel bad about not being able to hit your marketing goals. That's why you bring in someone like a solo or a small shop. They can act as your defacto department. And, that way also, I mean, let's just cut to the bare bones of it. You're not paying overhead for a solo. You don't have to worry about insuring a solo or providing a solo with paid vacation or all those things, or worrying about those slow periods. You know, we work out our agreements with you. So we are really, I don't want to say we're, you know, a stealth weapon, but in some circles, it maybe it just hasn't crossed the minds of a lot of companies that “Oh yeah, you know what, that could work.” And it can work without imposing a threat to your current employee base. Just say, “No, they're here to help with X, Y, Z,” and it should lift everyone up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/5Yvqoy4MOQ0YxbvQE1aMIM-S6ZtT8kdEElQfhmH84IzCgFWcRvlO1R9bhD48DXROwrkaSlCdYGvY0EHUVZNmMS71Yaw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=671.25'>11:11</a>):</p>
<p>And I think the younger, the new generation workforce could care less. They're used to, they have a side hustle, they could care less. They're not threatened. It's interesting that even as we are fully seeing this future of work and this new landscape, and I think there's a lot more changes ahead, there are still many companies that treat hiring independent contractors like an embarrassment. They won't talk about it, they won't talk about their policies, they don't embrace it openly. They do it and it's fine and it works, but they don't go on record about it. And I think that that will shift in in the future. Corporate America is like a big old train and it just takes a long time to switch directions. But it's really weird to me, in this day and age, it's like, why are you embarrassed about that? That's just so random.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/UlX8OCsKwnxcs7GthXObx5FTUIGY-LKZgzfs_gGFnK_Kxc26KSK3J35_SUhpOGPr-64UcgHN1d1Zh9CX309PBDvgEI4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=741.93'>12:21</a>):</p>
<p>That's crazy. That's wild. It's like why? It shows that you're smart.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/4xEh6fPCiTlbn0WE8WaMdmprXxq7LreLcQ3Ypsv7ZKDtyXGqtv5yuLWrLyP7ojDtLAxtAWsm6lOu0D0ofYAXWKRze7I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=746.84'>12:26</a>):</p>
<p>And probably for for public relations, less so for our sector, because hiring outside agencies has been something that has been done for decades, and there's no embarrassment about it. It's really the norm. Even when you have internal PR people, or an internal team, you still need outside agency help. So in our sector, we don't see that embarrassment, but, you know, I deal with this larger future of work landscape. And when you're talking about other types of contractors, companies don't want to talk about it. I promise you, they do not want to go on record and talk about any of it. And I hope that that changes. Because the more the companies are willing to step up and talk about the value that they get from hiring experts, and you're hiring people like you're scoping out work and you're hiring people to do it, and you're paying them.</p>
<p>It's just such a beautiful, simple proposition. You don't have all those extras, and as you said, Michelle, they're not having to take care of our needs. We're businesses, we're businesses who take care of ourselves. But I also want to note to any companies that are listening to us, the reality is, is that please don't believe that hiring an independent or small agency means that it's going to be cheap. You're not getting a bargain in terms of rates. What you are getting is that you're saving a lot of time and money because you don't have to train them. You don't have to teach them how to do their job. And you're getting the value of not only their expertise within the sector that you're hiring them for, but you're also getting something that companies are losing. And that's institutional knowledge.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/SrTKSXEKMfMG4hmf8vQZnIBm8whQAHb869lA1F9GBAVFHyC1b_NWG_Tgdv58B8avTTLECqPIz3p1dIviwayKEQNu01Q?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=857.2'>14:17</a>):</p>
<p>So true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V88-reUEX9FGE-h8f4GR2XoJk5z-FIVjvtGSeX7I0heJkdSJqszrUuGzBipCod9D-i9sgjmD83pmONRaoUuTDGO7gso?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=858.13'>14:18</a>):</p>
<p>We've had the Great Resignation. So many people have come and gone. Every time somebody leaves your company, they take a little bit of the secret sauce with them. It's gone. Unless you have set up infrastructure to capture that information you remember working and all of the little, and, and even now when we work, we have shortcuts. We have hacks, we have things that we know, we have things that we know about clients that we've worked with a long time. So we possess that institutional knowledge. When you lose that, it's almost like starting over every time your workforce turns over. And that's happening a lot. And I do not believe that that trend is necessarily going to change in the short term, because you have a younger generation. As I said to my sister-in-law yesterday, they're comfortable meandering for a long time.</p>
<p>They’re in their thirties and long ago, that was an age where you really were kind of settled into your career. But the newer generation of workers, they're quite comfortable not having the things that we valued when we were coming up in our careers. And they're perfectly happy to go and take any job and they could care less. They don't care about owning a house. They just, a lot of the things that, again, were important to my generation are not important to them. And so you're going to still see turnover because they're not going to stick around for five or seven years. And so they're going to come in and they're going to learn those things and they're going to hopefully add some value while they're there and they're going to add some practices and they're going to leave and that's going to walk out of the door with them.</p>
<p>But as solos, we bring not only the value of, especially when we have those long-term relationships. So we bring the value of not only preserving some institutional knowledge for your company, but we work with lots of companies. And so we have the benefit of being able to bring all of the best practices that we've been exposed to, to any individual clients. This does not mean that we're giving away trade secrets, it's just that we've seen ways that things work better. So we incorporate all of those things into our work. We learn from our clients, too. We see something, a process is being done well, and we adapt that, and then we're able to be more efficient for the next client. And so, you know, that's valuable and it's a value that internal teams don't have because they're working in a singular company. They only know how things are done in their company, in their industry, and that's it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/yEwBWV8OifjqajhqaCX_Iwe70Znlcww0TkBbsdBAqaDoU49NCvaYoUgKhuhKKvLj9j7vHLuBWtJ2Ek2pFcDT7480a5c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1026.38'>17:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, I'll reverse that too. You know, as our own businesses we're exposed to people and experiences that they may not be exposed to. So, you know, case in point, just looking for opportunities where a client might be able to shine, whether that's events thought leadership, anything, we bring that back to them. Not only do we do that, but with our longer term clients, we're going to know, we're going to be able to do those initial gut checks of what's a good fit for someone. If you're approached about a program or something and you just think, mm, no, but here's what they would like, can we make that happen? And take that back to them. It's truly so much to your benefit if you're out there listening. If you do have a need within your organization and it's something where you're either having a difficult time hiring or you're just not really sure how to solve for x in that given situation to reach out to a solo. What's the worst that could happen? We say goodbye after a couple of weeks? Okay. And that's how we learn.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PuMG56oJpY0_v5_s0TCh-Ji1ddH0uLELzY_5TQJ1oAFF3ssRBg3K-rPvnjIiQ6wzO8dzjcTHDvhsW1L5yWM8QKwFCc8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1094.55'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>Another value of, honestly, I mean I I adhere to this practice in, in my own business as well, is that it's a professional contract. It's a business to business contract. You are not, I'm not stuck with someone for life. If I bring somebody on for a scope of work and it's not the best fit, then we part ways, you know? They get paid for the work that they did, and you move on. And so that is another benefit, is that you're not making this decision to be married to this contractor for the rest of your time in business. It really can be, it's a great way to trial people. Sometimes there's such a great chemistry between contractors and clients that there have been solos that do go back into the corporate world for something that really moves them. So it's a great way to have a bench of talent by working with independents as well. Not every independent wants to remain independent for the rest of their life. People can move in and out of independence. And so sometimes your next best employee may actually be an independent.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0DU48qz9LeRaWoGh52MylYuW5ig_iavJZaAdH5nfqUjmGsHF8D5HSwO7jQR6RBavMDAT8mwvQzEpjtsi_0O0JBj7KWM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1164.75'>19:24</a>):</p>
<p>Right. So true. It's so true. So, you know, we hope this has enlightened you or made you think in new and different ways, which is always fun. And, you know, let us know. Let us know what you're thinking. Check us out solo pr pro.com. We, we definitely want to hear your feedback. So please, please, please provide it. If this was of value to you, please do share it around. And until next time, thank you so much for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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The Future of WorkThat Solo Life Episode #199
Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another episode, another week.
Karen Swim, APR (00:20):
Yes. Hello Michelle. How are you doing this week?
Michelle Kane (00:24):
I'm well, I'm well as, as you're listening to this it is May of 2023 and things are popping all of a sudden. It's,
Karen Swim, APR (00:34):
Yes.
Michelle Kane (00:34):
I think with the, I don't know, event season’s coming, clients are just kind of shaking off the winter doldrums, and it's, it's not a bad place to be at the moment. How about you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:47):
Same. Lots of activities and lots of invitations, business and personal, but it's really, you know, it's an interesting time because we are still in this major period of change. And, you know, the economy is crazy, right? Like the numbers don't match the mood. Like, it's weird that inflation's declining, but when you look at those numbers, you're like, but really, is it?
Michelle Kane (01:21):
Yeah. I love that you said that.
Karen Swim, APR (01:24):
Yeah. Isn't really, because things still seem awfully high to me. And the Fed keeps raising interest rates and, and although there's a lot of activity, it also still feels very sluggish. Like things are just slow moving.
Michelle Kane (01:41):
Yes. Yeah. And it's so weird. It is weird. And we could probably do a whole episode on that, because I'm thinking too, there are the numbers, there's the reality out there, and then there's, like you said, the mood, and it's like, is the mood coming from what we're hearing of everything being bad, bad, bad. It's like, well, it's watchful. It may be bad, it may not be great. And I think once we get this whole debt ceiling, blah, blah, behind us, a lot of us will exhale.
Karen Swim, APR (02:08):
It's like a global mismatch in every area of life, you know, like this. But it's not really warm.
Michelle Kane (02:15):
We're all like, weird socks, ,
Karen Swim, APR (02:19):
But the ground is still dry, like , I don't know. Like, things are happening and they're not producing the results that we're accustomed to. So it's just almost like living in two dimensions.
Michelle Kane (02:34):
Speaking of, yeah.
Karen Swim, APR (02:35):
 dimensions.
Michelle Kane (02:37):
So, we wanted to touch on the future of work. We discuss that term about in many of our episodes, but just thinking about, you know, with people being called back to their offices and employers, some employers not really aligning with the realities out there of how people function best in a company. And also, of course, seeing as we are solos, how do we fit into all of that, and how can some of what is happening really work to our advantage? Just a small topic, no big deal, but
Karen Swim, APR (03:21):
 it is. Yeah. And future work is one of my favorite things to, yeah. Out in the world. I, I love this topic. Every aspect of it as it applies to corporations that applies to employees and also to solos. This is just one of the things that I love to talk about. And so the future of work landscape is, it's interesting because we have so many structural shifts in the way that we think about work and what constitutes work in the way that days are structured, in the way that jobs are structured, in the way that, you know, in the location, the physical location of where work gets ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Are you weary of people calling themselves PR professionals who seem to be storytelling their careers? The few who talk a good game, leaving a trail of disgruntled clients? In this episode we talk about ways PR practitioners – from those new to the profession to seasoned pros – can represent our profession well.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TyHd5WgaKuKSoYvWJud6-VYKz0fZGA-NEUv8d446sEcr9Glt4gKt5ST2QqGr1CWnETGUR256-V4UDgvl6xViDBgZsiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.73'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GKuemwSdldrKSelI-SEaGHIOCFC4qqsvA5nW8Z-zj0pkabhISBFLYNBva9okijdXnXP8SDD8FzUkKWyCdR-ro1TeelY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.59'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. Solidarity to the writers who of this recording are on strike. We stand with writers, hang in there WGA, we hope that you get what you need and deserve. And if I were in California, I would be out there with you on the picket line.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PQtOY8C__y5c-a8ksxpKEFNNnx9KDFxAmPZAKMpNQdHXW_xAWc9L_w_pVCrh7N3QjP8O4bcVo6WtRPFF5hNZmy3RXoo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.17'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>I fully agree. Fully agree. I hope that the WGA gets everything they are asking for because they are the backbone of all of the projects on which they serve.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q94QLA8C8RYZ7L9ynwhqkTtdRP75Iw9pjJIIV7q_yps3lwmdRQ6OARcN7QivBqh7fPJrWhVBmu4HkgmVMPw60iWIHi4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=54.84'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-ARWtQWwZLPeKG074sDph4tZFu1SEqDrjgtz-PTGCHO3JUebcIXXDIjZ-RScQPocaOMBtwH2LDVYepFxNe62AYIf0dc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=55.44'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>You know, if you like watching things where words come out of people's mouths, , you need to thank the writers.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zYb6RqzIHtjYMSi9wi3SW6c5J9NUJ2Fr0KYibDGWD2fiOeQbKT7L2ld-WJ0yfF7n-tlXsjTCaUTGZcvDdhfAgZewLMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=62.26'>01:02</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And that's kind of a funny segue. I mean, serious topic, but yeah. Writing, storytelling. Hmm. And PR peeps who might be storytelling their careers just a tad too much.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eckWBFFg3XoLvmRE_Dj6-oEm8fBeLxx14IPaMczhHJGNfWsNSB3T4kFynGszDEf9AMdAmcsblSIOGNw52DTvK15gd4w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=80.77'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>Just a little bit. Yes. We're going to to carefully edge into these waters. I'm sure we, you'll soon be nodding listeners, these people that come into your path, these self-declared am I going to say the word, the G word, gurus, the people that come across as very flashy, but you soon find out there's precious little substance, however they present themselves as seasoned PR professionals. And, you know, it just really, it doesn't do any of us any good. It's not a service to us. In fact, it's a disservice of the hard work that truly seasoned professionals put in. And you know, I say this a lot and I think just as technology grows, and I'm not even talking about AI, I'm talking about the Canvas of the world, the people who, “I have a MAC, I'm a designer.” That whole mindset of you can do anything. Well, yes, but to a point. To a point. Even though, we're not licensed, we're not doctors. We don't get to call ourselves “Dr. PR professional,” there's still a lot of training and experience that goes into doing what we do well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9zkDgqg6Q-B0m8Piffi94mJ-lowSuc-MFUETG3FRO_SVL1NHDTrnMKpHFzT9XDSTeCgu-9q-w-wr5x8_Y-6kbagdoVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=161.94'>02:41</a>):</p>
<p>There should be yeah. And I mean, while we have the APR credential and some people do have a degree in comms, the access point to practice the profession, like so many these days is, is very low. You could just set up shop and call yourself a digital PR person. I came up in PR from a very non-traditional way. And the reason that I pursued my APR is because I wanted to have that foundation. I wanted to have the language, I wanted to have the breadth of information to be able to really practice as a professional. So this discussion today is not saying that you have to go the traditional way in order to be a professional, but what we are imploring people to do is to strive to be a professional.</p>
<p>Please do not be out there, as Michelle said, calling yourself an expert, calling yourself a professional, calling yourself professional when you can't even write a PR plan. There are just some things going into running your own business that you really should know how to do. And you should know how to do some of the things well. You don't have to know how to do everything. You don't have to be perfect at everything. If social media is not your jam, that's okay. You can partner with people to walk you through that. But if you do not know how to research, plan, implement, evaluate, notice how I used RPIE. Please learn. Please learn. I beg of you to go learn. This came out of previous discussions because I think it's very frustrating when people who take this profession so seriously and do consider ourselves to be professionals, when we see questions coming from other people, or we see content being produced by other people that we know is not at the level of professionalism it can be very, very frustrating. And people get very angry about that and they feel as though it diminishes the entire profession by bad actors.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3k-mucOAxUOFhfaFsFW-ctigA5jVLxt4Om0itubaT-ouxtmZ5y2e9msTfTIpl1ubQCN1T_2vQ3ZKMQsi8o8ieMlZ3Q4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=317.41'>05:17</a>):</p>
<p>Indeed, indeed. And like you said, there is a huge difference between aligning with or putting people on your team to fill certain roles at a professional level. That's not what we're talking about. I spent some time as an account executive at an ad agency, and really that's been my model ever since. You are the person, you are the hub, you build the strategy, you work with all of the players to make things happen. And of course, you know, I'm also a writer, so I wear that hat as well, which comes in handy. But I noticed as time has gone on and, thank goodness for the internet, it's made it easy for us to set up solo shops. But I've seen a lot of people setting up shop and I would just say to myself this is why you need an account executive. This is why you need someone like us who creates the strategy, who oversees it all? Who orchestrates it? Who knows what is good and what isn't? Who knows the difference between good design and bad design? I mean, and I am eternally grateful actually to the agency where I started - you look back, it was a good thing at the time, but as you look back, you realize, oh my goodness. In fact, I was chatting with an ex-coworker, gosh, a few years back, she had moved on to a different position and she was waiting for approval for an ad. And you know, that's something we did. So she thought, well, I'm just going to approve it. And she got her hand slapped because that wasn't the right channel. And she said, well, there was a deadline. I knew it was right. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bIqzMbmueNdGmB9J371_rMkXd2yUqfXVWJzg70ZRXuUHA51ho47fef-K57STx3XKgA_XXrCgjbT0rGKvctOpUyAacME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=424.87'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3EgR32N7JBrFhIREqmbHGI7VoIApWsxsLLXYc8-9hGslIId2gpINSlxpK2To6ibIQIqxm4sF4hbpL9yWTgZjzGU8sNY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=425.72'>07:05</a>):</p>
<p>You know, but all that, to bring it back to our topic of, you need someone, when you're working with clients, who has that experience, who just knows how to guide a client through something and isn't just throwing it together haphazardly because you know that's not going to last long, that that's not going to serve them well for the long run, certainly isn't going to leave a trail of happy clients. And those unhappy clients are going to say, “Ugh, PR, I worked with someone, it was terrible.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RzJgeGPW3wC5j2M4U_r1YHdDYbJRStRUwm-jh9TZrGHNQWGtf9xzdoGGK44MhMzYY6ep8qWT-YKoDgfML3YNGP9jU6Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=464.21'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think another thing that really is a personal pet peeve of mine is that you have people calling themselves either PR professionals or that they practice PR and to them that strictly equates to media relations. But then they're not even good at media relations. These are the people that spam the universe hoping for something to stick. They don't have a strategy, they're not aligned with the client's overall goals. There's nothing but tactics. And yeah, any monkey can put together a bunch of emails and you know what, even a broken clock is right twice a day. So it's frustrating because then you have clients and, maybe you're getting media for them may not be quality media. Maybe you are able to land tier one coverage, but it's just about that.</p>
<p>And that's all you do. You have one trick in your tool bag and that's it. And then when the client is not happy, because you don't have the skillset to be able to be more nuanced in how you practice, and you're not able to really deliver a higher value strategy, you're going to turn through your clients very quickly. And then these are the people that come to true pros and say, “Ugh, we don't believe in PR.” Well, they don't believe in PR because they've never seen it practice before. And that's because we have these people that are playing at the profession and it's time to stop playing. Right. And again, not to make anyone feel bad about maybe being newer to the profession or maybe learning, but it's an encouragement to please learn. And does not mean that you have to, you know, learn like a textbook worth of things before you can start.</p>
<p>Maybe you start it, maybe there are some things you know, but please up your game level up because you really do, you know, you're lowering the bar for all of us. And that's not okay. It impacts our ability to earn a living. It impacts our ability to do our job well because we, as PR professionals, part of our job is to protect our publics. That's not just our clients. And you have to know that responsibility. In order to protect it and if you're not bothering to learn what this job really entails, that's not a good look. It's almost like, would you go and order a custom cake from a bakery where the person knew how to spot great cakes and maybe knew how to draw, but didn't know how to bake and they're learning on the job. And so sometimes it's good because like, oh look, they hit on something that work, but sometimes it's not and they don't really know what to do, but they're figuring it out as they go along. You are a business. You have a responsibility to come into this game with some skillset, some level of skillset, please.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z_f2holySXGOScs2dLeEVQ3KgpuBDK4GDJyrudMUKE1MC7zMQr5y2nugeLArgBiBl9EnA3qr-yQ-rwFwkbAiFtF1Qk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=663.22'>11:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And, just to build on that of, you know, don't feel bad. I mean, if you're just starting out, then those are the services that you offer, where your comfort zone is with an eye on growth. You know what you do really well. Focus on that until you do other things better. I mean, we're always learning - all of us, or at least we should be. And just talking to those of us who might have come to a client who's coming off of a bad experience, have a discussion about that. Say, oh, well, okay, what happened there? Oh, okay. And that can, you know, again, we're always talking about educating our clients. That can be an instructive moment of, well, so no, here's what you can expect working with me or working with us. You know, we will make sure that x, y, z happens. You know, just help them to get beyond that perception of that bad experience.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sn1GoVIL4OrU8unxc8MRkyDS1ZA_zjyanshTJaNhJPY5g3JJa2QvSkqFM2wMcETp6Q-rkEu9RNIN_hMMPbcmK4stpSs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=726.85'>12:06</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, absolutely. I think, you know, to be honest with you, I've had a few clients like that. We've had two recently that we really just dug deep. Rather than running away when they say, “Oh yeah, we had a bad experience with PR, we're not afraid to ask the questions because we're trying to make a decision if we want to work with this particular client. Because sometimes it's not the agency, sometimes it's the client. Right. So don't be afraid of just digging deeper for your own satisfaction to know, like, okay, is there something like, as you said, that I can learn from this situation. Is this someone that really could be a great client? Or are these red flags? I mean, but you don't know until you dig and you ask, right. And you ask for examples and then you talk through it. And I have found that with reasonable adults and professionals, sometimes you can work through things and you have a greater understanding. And sometimes the way somebody else practice is not the way that you practice. And that same misunderstanding would not have happened. And so it could be a good fit for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lK-VdKOBz1KJ0ozd-P6J99JIapqQyw7DMfUONe4Al4jJ2pSknhEabgSj2rzjYUlosZEFN4d-a1FcC8FFvFNCcryCLCY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=803.57'>13:23</a>):</p>
<p>Correct. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pG8KiJGX1xwRwsXAahX_HGcVLNlY7IKynO1rQZJffzirguj5FAKFgyk5lbM-ChkD8CivyEX-oyBunePUGkJUy78zSX4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=804.67'>13:24</a>):</p>
<p>Again, the people that do not have the expertise that are just, you know, get a client, lose a client, no big deal. They just, they're churning quickly. This is not what any of us want to be representative of PR it, I know of an agency still standing, their whole M.O. for many, many, many years has been to bring clients in, spend a lot of time on discovery, not really deliver anything of value have junior people on the account, and then by the time they're out of discovery and supposed to be delivering results, they get fired and they just move on to the next client. So they just purposely turn through and are making their money by holding onto people through a false period of discovery and not really delivering results. This is so completely unethical. But I would always also say, check your ethics if you're selling something that you do not know how to do. Because you should know how to do what clients are paying you to do. Let's just be clear about that , it's fine to have a really narrow engagement. Last week on our program, we had a wonderful guest, Katie Boos, who is a seasoned PR pro with an agency, but she found through practicing her profession, that she really loved events and she really loved the, you know, getting speakers.</p>
<p>And so she leaned into that slice of thought leadership hard. And that's what she does. She has a very narrow specific focus in her PR practice and she delivers on it. She's good at it. She continues to learn and to grow and to deliver what clients expect from her. So it's fine to not be a generalist. It's fine not to have all the skillsets. Maybe there is a slice of PR that you actually are good at. As Michelle said, focus on that slice. And if you want to build your skills, there's ways to do that through hands-on learning by working with other pros. You know, be honest and say, “Hey, is there an assignment that I could work on with you that I'm trying to build my skills in X?” Right. And I don't have that skillset, but I'm willing to learn if you're willing to teach, and I can pitch in and help on the account, but being open and honest with other professionals is really important too, because if you're in professional circles or groups and forums and you're asking 101 questions, you are going to create people that have zero desire to help you and will have no respect for you as a professional.</p>
<p>You see through that straight away and you just think, huh, okay, what are we doing here? And it's frustrating and it can be demoralizing, but, you know, try not to let it . And I love what you said about, you know, niching down if that's, and that is the beauty. As we often talk about being a solo shop. Even if you, even if you're a micro agency or something larger than a one person business, you get to create the business that you want, which is a wonderful thing. But, you know, at the same time, yeah, we have to tolerate some people that just pop out there and, and suddenly and, and you know, you see it everywhere, right? You see it in job listings where someone's looking for a marketing coordinator and lists all these things with horrible pay and you realize that's really a director position and that person needs a team and good luck with that. Those are also potentially, well, depending, obviously if the pays not very good, you're not going to pop in. But sometimes those are fun to just play with and say, Hey, would do you want to hire consultants?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_k_oBeGRaRImM7MtY4M_HIz9krbdCk5GIdvyct6zHPVZlwx1DOUcMsBBq3JT4hcr1onaRtczqPQ1E6xC7NT7wSLPdBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1058.09'>17:38</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that the existence of many of those want the world at low prices kind of originated with people doing things that really weren't qualified to do. And didn't know to charge the right value.  Because it’s not really what they do. And I mean, PR is not the only profession where people are overselling themselves. Marketing, you know, is rife with social media. It's why you have people out here thinking, oh, well if you're Gen Z I'll just hire you to do my social media because you're a digital native. But does that person understand how to align your social media strategy with your company goals, by the way? Yeah. They know what strategy or do they know the tactics because the tactics are important, but who's going to guide your strategy?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6AofQ91lg_I8E5e4c6a1FFlxDXpZrDyLACg_rvv6S4B1vwD5z6now-ThiOeY2OHusJfKX3aH_3DRhiBUnYfwLMDmv9s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1110.78'>18:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Do they know, do they know what brand voice is ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JLeqWFlkZ14_MGpleA4CoxTEAkGZvDrOQre5RSBnB_Elw56gxPeSHcP7diSxrOri2YRNgJDEhkl6p4Dq8kiXwaTdQjo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1115.6'>18:35</a>):</p>
<p>Probably not. Have you talked to some of these people? Do they know personas? Do they know how to do message maps? All of these things that professionals will tell you. Do they know how to ride a crisis plan around social media to protect you? Is there an escalation plan should something happen? These are all things that professionals recommend and it's not overkill. We recommend and we do these things because we understand the depth and breadth of our jobs and we know that it's more than being task monkeys. Which none of us are. And I'm sure , I believe with all my heart that most of our listeners are not. And so this again, is not an indictment for anyone starting. It's not being the, you know, mean PR girls that are like, “Ugh, you suck and you should get out of this job.” It is an encouragement for all of us to uplift the profession. By really living up to what it really means to be a PR pro. It's already hard enough to fight against clients who are out here calling press releases articles, and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. Yeah. I get that. That's a little thing. But we all have those little things that drive us over the edge. Like yeah, that's not an article. It's a news release. And in some cases, you're right, girl, that's not even an article that is a marketing brochure. And I cannot put this on a site. </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U2ZNpkIUuEFcS6I2UILRiC-b8-z1t-QS66_VrK8AcYLx6cTj4LGbIv8MvyDOgxTbEvPn-NSXkl22LCKfbePXS2AQLac?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1210.11'>20:10</a>):</p>
<p>We can repurpose our content in appropriate ways, but we shouldn't just take the copy and put it everywhere.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/efE6TeL0WHV3UxRoEI55UX2fcecy8wcEMWDQtNifyW5iXyOmTwb_Or4jFH7E31fWCiD5_cZkMMWHg9Wh61PLTCcBTEU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1218.81'>20:18</a>):</p>
<p>The media does not want your product brochure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z2Ch3r38UdzMZc11TieIY8TFKnFooWdBeygEz2UdeWDbw6IEGaBQf8X9y23ntKuL6Tc2pl3wBLJ_GcVKO8NWbG0rbj8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1222.51'>20:22</a>):</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/In-gfnJqwxPUxlpV3hQPj37n3GTb0W7VUEl3L1SpsOCZMWnjA34zLyend600SdpxXpS8cESfMcVKyRRNMsrJdHO6mjk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1223.18'>20:23</a>):</p>
<p>But it's not on the wire.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3BZi3Ue5K7jdEBfFXL3lOIIIGFFtsjTaw7mjRzk9Kb6JyFlNPfy04q1v1F7WzrS4cosVnrAjkxfrz6EhNn2UNiLFOoA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1225.41'>20:25</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. No, no, no, it's not. And actually in the back of my mind, I'm already thinking, okay, who's the listener looking to buy the domain name task monkeys.com ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gs_E0ogZzXKcQA4oCp6abEh00q_NSBoUbFJqITcRQmaciFXQSYivc7xZNczfL57heIBRH7GRiT0og-xUSdgVz3FJEgE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1236.42'>20:36</a>):</p>
<p>It might be me. I don’t know. We'll see.</p>
<p>But  I mean, we're joking, but we are. Yeah. And you know, Michelle and I hope that we are always a source of encouragement and information, and this is something we wanted to address because it is being discussed among PR professionals and it is something that bothers us too, because we work too hard in what we are building. You listeners, you're part of the, we work too hard, we strive too hard to get where we are in our careers. Many of you did put in time in traditional PR roles and came out of agencies in leadership positions. Some were client side, some went to school and you know,  your major is in comms, others are APRs and you're proud of this job. And I believe that that is something that we all share. We're proud to do this job. We love this profession and solos. We really have to make sure that we are continuing to set a high standard and not lower ourselves to these people that are really n not a credit to our profession, but we continue to raise the bar so that we're setting a standard for the next generation coming up behind us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/osgceHJMTN53IH-O62NmcCMUahqy9EfJujWOGCb2Pu24MtONIoOYvRE5EW_ONhEXOYO8gh0gIMvIAlp1phwG_06yRmM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1323.16'>22:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. And I think especially as solos and or self-employed micro agency leaders, because what credibility do we have beyond our track record and the perception of our profession? Because it's not like we don't produce widgets that we can say, look, my product is beautiful. See how nice it is. No, our service is our product. So it's so important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T_yp3oF77U12yu4cI2ibqiPAevcnelItcO-J6akdWez4u3bubR20w0Dp_j086jFKn_wfAHMe2-k-fz3lfT4T9e3uYdk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1352.83'>22:32</a>):</p>
<p>100%. And I know the younger generation is, they're more comfortable with fluidity. They will get a job and they will leave a job in a heartbeat. Like zero emotion about it. Like Yeah, I'm not doing that. But you cannot bring that same attitude into running your own business because at some point you're going to run out a runway. Yeah. I mean you could drop around, you could practice in different countries, but there's something very satisfying about having a reputation that says you deliver results. It's personally rewarding because you're connected. You're the person that's producing the service, and you get to see the outcomes of that service. And building a reputation based on results and meeting the expectations that you set, that's what's going to give you longevity. That is what is going to allow you to scale your business. That is the thing that you can tap into.</p>
<p>You can tap into that bank of trust. And that does become more important because it's expensive and exhausting to keep hopping around and churning through clients. It's not the way, I promise you, at some point in your lives, you will get a bit older and you will see that that takes a toll because you're constantly having to expend the energy and there's a price tag to continually onboarding new people. Yeah. It gets old. It's not as fun as it sounds and you think, you know, you can't keep treat treating your clients as though they're dispensable. And this environment today should maybe help you to take note of that, that they are not dispensable, they are valuable. People do move to other companies. They do remember. And your leads may one day dry up. Because you're not who you said that you were.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n4ISKLUYINj0p36zvILE2obQ-BUdM1hDrZbMnpW5paktUdJHq5shZ4uySiMsl_88vXPoP8mlWuJIaNhmZRkLUSuiOMw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1476.53'>24:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's so true. So true. Well, we hope that you've gotten value out of this today. We hope that every week, but especially today, I, you know, I'm sure many of you were nodding your heads rolling, your eyes giggling along with us, but we are so grateful for you and the time that you give to us. And we are equally grateful if you share this around, if you know someone who's going through this and if this might help, just give them some encouragement. We would love to be a part of that. And until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you weary of people calling themselves PR professionals who seem to be storytelling their careers? The few who talk a good game, leaving a trail of disgruntled clients? In this episode we talk about ways PR practitioners – from those new to the profession to seasoned pros – can represent our profession well.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/TyHd5WgaKuKSoYvWJud6-VYKz0fZGA-NEUv8d446sEcr9Glt4gKt5ST2QqGr1CWnETGUR256-V4UDgvl6xViDBgZsiM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.73'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/GKuemwSdldrKSelI-SEaGHIOCFC4qqsvA5nW8Z-zj0pkabhISBFLYNBva9okijdXnXP8SDD8FzUkKWyCdR-ro1TeelY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.59'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. Solidarity to the writers who of this recording are on strike. We stand with writers, hang in there WGA, we hope that you get what you need and deserve. And if I were in California, I would be out there with you on the picket line.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/PQtOY8C__y5c-a8ksxpKEFNNnx9KDFxAmPZAKMpNQdHXW_xAWc9L_w_pVCrh7N3QjP8O4bcVo6WtRPFF5hNZmy3RXoo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.17'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>I fully agree. Fully agree. I hope that the WGA gets everything they are asking for because they are the backbone of all of the projects on which they serve.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/q94QLA8C8RYZ7L9ynwhqkTtdRP75Iw9pjJIIV7q_yps3lwmdRQ6OARcN7QivBqh7fPJrWhVBmu4HkgmVMPw60iWIHi4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=54.84'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/-ARWtQWwZLPeKG074sDph4tZFu1SEqDrjgtz-PTGCHO3JUebcIXXDIjZ-RScQPocaOMBtwH2LDVYepFxNe62AYIf0dc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=55.44'>00:55</a>):</p>
<p>You know, if you like watching things where words come out of people's mouths, , you need to thank the writers.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zYb6RqzIHtjYMSi9wi3SW6c5J9NUJ2Fr0KYibDGWD2fiOeQbKT7L2ld-WJ0yfF7n-tlXsjTCaUTGZcvDdhfAgZewLMI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=62.26'>01:02</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. And that's kind of a funny segue. I mean, serious topic, but yeah. Writing, storytelling. Hmm. And PR peeps who might be storytelling their careers just a tad too much.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/eckWBFFg3XoLvmRE_Dj6-oEm8fBeLxx14IPaMczhHJGNfWsNSB3T4kFynGszDEf9AMdAmcsblSIOGNw52DTvK15gd4w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=80.77'>01:20</a>):</p>
<p>Just a little bit. Yes. We're going to to carefully edge into these waters. I'm sure we, you'll soon be nodding listeners, these people that come into your path, these self-declared am I going to say the word, the G word, gurus, the people that come across as very flashy, but you soon find out there's precious little substance, however they present themselves as seasoned PR professionals. And, you know, it just really, it doesn't do any of us any good. It's not a service to us. In fact, it's a disservice of the hard work that truly seasoned professionals put in. And you know, I say this a lot and I think just as technology grows, and I'm not even talking about AI, I'm talking about the Canvas of the world, the people who, “I have a MAC, I'm a designer.” That whole mindset of you can do anything. Well, yes, but to a point. To a point. Even though, we're not licensed, we're not doctors. We don't get to call ourselves “Dr. PR professional,” there's still a lot of training and experience that goes into doing what we do well.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9zkDgqg6Q-B0m8Piffi94mJ-lowSuc-MFUETG3FRO_SVL1NHDTrnMKpHFzT9XDSTeCgu-9q-w-wr5x8_Y-6kbagdoVA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=161.94'>02:41</a>):</p>
<p>There should be yeah. And I mean, while we have the APR credential and some people do have a degree in comms, the access point to practice the profession, like so many these days is, is very low. You could just set up shop and call yourself a digital PR person. I came up in PR from a very non-traditional way. And the reason that I pursued my APR is because I wanted to have that foundation. I wanted to have the language, I wanted to have the breadth of information to be able to really practice as a professional. So this discussion today is not saying that you have to go the traditional way in order to be a professional, but what we are imploring people to do is to strive to be a professional.</p>
<p>Please do not be out there, as Michelle said, calling yourself an expert, calling yourself a professional, calling yourself professional when you can't even write a PR plan. There are just some things going into running your own business that you really should know how to do. And you should know how to do some of the things well. You don't have to know how to do everything. You don't have to be perfect at everything. If social media is not your jam, that's okay. You can partner with people to walk you through that. But if you do not know how to research, plan, implement, evaluate, notice how I used RPIE. Please learn. Please learn. I beg of you to go learn. This came out of previous discussions because I think it's very frustrating when people who take this profession so seriously and do consider ourselves to be professionals, when we see questions coming from other people, or we see content being produced by other people that we know is not at the level of professionalism it can be very, very frustrating. And people get very angry about that and they feel as though it diminishes the entire profession by bad actors.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3k-mucOAxUOFhfaFsFW-ctigA5jVLxt4Om0itubaT-ouxtmZ5y2e9msTfTIpl1ubQCN1T_2vQ3ZKMQsi8o8ieMlZ3Q4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=317.41'>05:17</a>):</p>
<p>Indeed, indeed. And like you said, there is a huge difference between aligning with or putting people on your team to fill certain roles at a professional level. That's not what we're talking about. I spent some time as an account executive at an ad agency, and really that's been my model ever since. You are the person, you are the hub, you build the strategy, you work with all of the players to make things happen. And of course, you know, I'm also a writer, so I wear that hat as well, which comes in handy. But I noticed as time has gone on and, thank goodness for the internet, it's made it easy for us to set up solo shops. But I've seen a lot of people setting up shop and I would just say to myself this is why you need an account executive. This is why you need someone like us who creates the strategy, who oversees it all? Who orchestrates it? Who knows what is good and what isn't? Who knows the difference between good design and bad design? I mean, and I am eternally grateful actually to the agency where I started - you look back, it was a good thing at the time, but as you look back, you realize, oh my goodness. In fact, I was chatting with an ex-coworker, gosh, a few years back, she had moved on to a different position and she was waiting for approval for an ad. And you know, that's something we did. So she thought, well, I'm just going to approve it. And she got her hand slapped because that wasn't the right channel. And she said, well, there was a deadline. I knew it was right. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/bIqzMbmueNdGmB9J371_rMkXd2yUqfXVWJzg70ZRXuUHA51ho47fef-K57STx3XKgA_XXrCgjbT0rGKvctOpUyAacME?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=424.87'>07:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3EgR32N7JBrFhIREqmbHGI7VoIApWsxsLLXYc8-9hGslIId2gpINSlxpK2To6ibIQIqxm4sF4hbpL9yWTgZjzGU8sNY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=425.72'>07:05</a>):</p>
<p>You know, but all that, to bring it back to our topic of, you need someone, when you're working with clients, who has that experience, who just knows how to guide a client through something and isn't just throwing it together haphazardly because you know that's not going to last long, that that's not going to serve them well for the long run, certainly isn't going to leave a trail of happy clients. And those unhappy clients are going to say, “Ugh, PR, I worked with someone, it was terrible.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/RzJgeGPW3wC5j2M4U_r1YHdDYbJRStRUwm-jh9TZrGHNQWGtf9xzdoGGK44MhMzYY6ep8qWT-YKoDgfML3YNGP9jU6Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=464.21'>07:44</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think another thing that really is a personal pet peeve of mine is that you have people calling themselves either PR professionals or that they practice PR and to them that strictly equates to media relations. But then they're not even good at media relations. These are the people that spam the universe hoping for something to stick. They don't have a strategy, they're not aligned with the client's overall goals. There's nothing but tactics. And yeah, any monkey can put together a bunch of emails and you know what, even a broken clock is right twice a day. So it's frustrating because then you have clients and, maybe you're getting media for them may not be quality media. Maybe you are able to land tier one coverage, but it's just about that.</p>
<p>And that's all you do. You have one trick in your tool bag and that's it. And then when the client is not happy, because you don't have the skillset to be able to be more nuanced in how you practice, and you're not able to really deliver a higher value strategy, you're going to turn through your clients very quickly. And then these are the people that come to true pros and say, “Ugh, we don't believe in PR.” Well, they don't believe in PR because they've never seen it practice before. And that's because we have these people that are playing at the profession and it's time to stop playing. Right. And again, not to make anyone feel bad about maybe being newer to the profession or maybe learning, but it's an encouragement to please learn. And does not mean that you have to, you know, learn like a textbook worth of things before you can start.</p>
<p>Maybe you start it, maybe there are some things you know, but please up your game level up because you really do, you know, you're lowering the bar for all of us. And that's not okay. It impacts our ability to earn a living. It impacts our ability to do our job well because we, as PR professionals, part of our job is to protect our publics. That's not just our clients. And you have to know that responsibility. In order to protect it and if you're not bothering to learn what this job really entails, that's not a good look. It's almost like, would you go and order a custom cake from a bakery where the person knew how to spot great cakes and maybe knew how to draw, but didn't know how to bake and they're learning on the job. And so sometimes it's good because like, oh look, they hit on something that work, but sometimes it's not and they don't really know what to do, but they're figuring it out as they go along. You are a business. You have a responsibility to come into this game with some skillset, some level of skillset, please.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z_f2holySXGOScs2dLeEVQ3KgpuBDK4GDJyrudMUKE1MC7zMQr5y2nugeLArgBiBl9EnA3qr-yQ-rwFwkbAiFtF1Qk4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=663.22'>11:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And, just to build on that of, you know, don't feel bad. I mean, if you're just starting out, then those are the services that you offer, where your comfort zone is with an eye on growth. You know what you do really well. Focus on that until you do other things better. I mean, we're always learning - all of us, or at least we should be. And just talking to those of us who might have come to a client who's coming off of a bad experience, have a discussion about that. Say, oh, well, okay, what happened there? Oh, okay. And that can, you know, again, we're always talking about educating our clients. That can be an instructive moment of, well, so no, here's what you can expect working with me or working with us. You know, we will make sure that x, y, z happens. You know, just help them to get beyond that perception of that bad experience.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sn1GoVIL4OrU8unxc8MRkyDS1ZA_zjyanshTJaNhJPY5g3JJa2QvSkqFM2wMcETp6Q-rkEu9RNIN_hMMPbcmK4stpSs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=726.85'>12:06</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, absolutely. I think, you know, to be honest with you, I've had a few clients like that. We've had two recently that we really just dug deep. Rather than running away when they say, “Oh yeah, we had a bad experience with PR, we're not afraid to ask the questions because we're trying to make a decision if we want to work with this particular client. Because sometimes it's not the agency, sometimes it's the client. Right. So don't be afraid of just digging deeper for your own satisfaction to know, like, okay, is there something like, as you said, that I can learn from this situation. Is this someone that really could be a great client? Or are these red flags? I mean, but you don't know until you dig and you ask, right. And you ask for examples and then you talk through it. And I have found that with reasonable adults and professionals, sometimes you can work through things and you have a greater understanding. And sometimes the way somebody else practice is not the way that you practice. And that same misunderstanding would not have happened. And so it could be a good fit for you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lK-VdKOBz1KJ0ozd-P6J99JIapqQyw7DMfUONe4Al4jJ2pSknhEabgSj2rzjYUlosZEFN4d-a1FcC8FFvFNCcryCLCY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=803.57'>13:23</a>):</p>
<p>Correct. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/pG8KiJGX1xwRwsXAahX_HGcVLNlY7IKynO1rQZJffzirguj5FAKFgyk5lbM-ChkD8CivyEX-oyBunePUGkJUy78zSX4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=804.67'>13:24</a>):</p>
<p>Again, the people that do not have the expertise that are just, you know, get a client, lose a client, no big deal. They just, they're churning quickly. This is not what any of us want to be representative of PR it, I know of an agency still standing, their whole M.O. for many, many, many years has been to bring clients in, spend a lot of time on discovery, not really deliver anything of value have junior people on the account, and then by the time they're out of discovery and supposed to be delivering results, they get fired and they just move on to the next client. So they just purposely turn through and are making their money by holding onto people through a false period of discovery and not really delivering results. This is so completely unethical. But I would always also say, check your ethics if you're selling something that you do not know how to do. Because you should know how to do what clients are paying you to do. Let's just be clear about that , it's fine to have a really narrow engagement. Last week on our program, we had a wonderful guest, Katie Boos, who is a seasoned PR pro with an agency, but she found through practicing her profession, that she really loved events and she really loved the, you know, getting speakers.</p>
<p>And so she leaned into that slice of thought leadership hard. And that's what she does. She has a very narrow specific focus in her PR practice and she delivers on it. She's good at it. She continues to learn and to grow and to deliver what clients expect from her. So it's fine to not be a generalist. It's fine not to have all the skillsets. Maybe there is a slice of PR that you actually are good at. As Michelle said, focus on that slice. And if you want to build your skills, there's ways to do that through hands-on learning by working with other pros. You know, be honest and say, “Hey, is there an assignment that I could work on with you that I'm trying to build my skills in X?” Right. And I don't have that skillset, but I'm willing to learn if you're willing to teach, and I can pitch in and help on the account, but being open and honest with other professionals is really important too, because if you're in professional circles or groups and forums and you're asking 101 questions, you are going to create people that have zero desire to help you and will have no respect for you as a professional.</p>
<p>You see through that straight away and you just think, huh, okay, what are we doing here? And it's frustrating and it can be demoralizing, but, you know, try not to let it . And I love what you said about, you know, niching down if that's, and that is the beauty. As we often talk about being a solo shop. Even if you, even if you're a micro agency or something larger than a one person business, you get to create the business that you want, which is a wonderful thing. But, you know, at the same time, yeah, we have to tolerate some people that just pop out there and, and suddenly and, and you know, you see it everywhere, right? You see it in job listings where someone's looking for a marketing coordinator and lists all these things with horrible pay and you realize that's really a director position and that person needs a team and good luck with that. Those are also potentially, well, depending, obviously if the pays not very good, you're not going to pop in. But sometimes those are fun to just play with and say, Hey, would do you want to hire consultants?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_k_oBeGRaRImM7MtY4M_HIz9krbdCk5GIdvyct6zHPVZlwx1DOUcMsBBq3JT4hcr1onaRtczqPQ1E6xC7NT7wSLPdBw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1058.09'>17:38</a>):</p>
<p>And I think that the existence of many of those want the world at low prices kind of originated with people doing things that really weren't qualified to do. And didn't know to charge the right value.  Because it’s not really what they do. And I mean, PR is not the only profession where people are overselling themselves. Marketing, you know, is rife with social media. It's why you have people out here thinking, oh, well if you're Gen Z I'll just hire you to do my social media because you're a digital native. But does that person understand how to align your social media strategy with your company goals, by the way? Yeah. They know what strategy or do they know the tactics because the tactics are important, but who's going to guide your strategy?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/6AofQ91lg_I8E5e4c6a1FFlxDXpZrDyLACg_rvv6S4B1vwD5z6now-ThiOeY2OHusJfKX3aH_3DRhiBUnYfwLMDmv9s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1110.78'>18:30</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Do they know, do they know what brand voice is ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/JLeqWFlkZ14_MGpleA4CoxTEAkGZvDrOQre5RSBnB_Elw56gxPeSHcP7diSxrOri2YRNgJDEhkl6p4Dq8kiXwaTdQjo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1115.6'>18:35</a>):</p>
<p>Probably not. Have you talked to some of these people? Do they know personas? Do they know how to do message maps? All of these things that professionals will tell you. Do they know how to ride a crisis plan around social media to protect you? Is there an escalation plan should something happen? These are all things that professionals recommend and it's not overkill. We recommend and we do these things because we understand the depth and breadth of our jobs and we know that it's more than being task monkeys. Which none of us are. And I'm sure , I believe with all my heart that most of our listeners are not. And so this again, is not an indictment for anyone starting. It's not being the, you know, mean PR girls that are like, “Ugh, you suck and you should get out of this job.” It is an encouragement for all of us to uplift the profession. By really living up to what it really means to be a PR pro. It's already hard enough to fight against clients who are out here calling press releases articles, and it's like nails on a chalkboard for me. Yeah. I get that. That's a little thing. But we all have those little things that drive us over the edge. Like yeah, that's not an article. It's a news release. And in some cases, you're right, girl, that's not even an article that is a marketing brochure. And I cannot put this on a site. </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/U2ZNpkIUuEFcS6I2UILRiC-b8-z1t-QS66_VrK8AcYLx6cTj4LGbIv8MvyDOgxTbEvPn-NSXkl22LCKfbePXS2AQLac?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1210.11'>20:10</a>):</p>
<p>We can repurpose our content in appropriate ways, but we shouldn't just take the copy and put it everywhere.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/efE6TeL0WHV3UxRoEI55UX2fcecy8wcEMWDQtNifyW5iXyOmTwb_Or4jFH7E31fWCiD5_cZkMMWHg9Wh61PLTCcBTEU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1218.81'>20:18</a>):</p>
<p>The media does not want your product brochure.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Z2Ch3r38UdzMZc11TieIY8TFKnFooWdBeygEz2UdeWDbw6IEGaBQf8X9y23ntKuL6Tc2pl3wBLJ_GcVKO8NWbG0rbj8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1222.51'>20:22</a>):</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/In-gfnJqwxPUxlpV3hQPj37n3GTb0W7VUEl3L1SpsOCZMWnjA34zLyend600SdpxXpS8cESfMcVKyRRNMsrJdHO6mjk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1223.18'>20:23</a>):</p>
<p>But it's not on the wire.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3BZi3Ue5K7jdEBfFXL3lOIIIGFFtsjTaw7mjRzk9Kb6JyFlNPfy04q1v1F7WzrS4cosVnrAjkxfrz6EhNn2UNiLFOoA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1225.41'>20:25</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. No, no, no, it's not. And actually in the back of my mind, I'm already thinking, okay, who's the listener looking to buy the domain name task monkeys.com ?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gs_E0ogZzXKcQA4oCp6abEh00q_NSBoUbFJqITcRQmaciFXQSYivc7xZNczfL57heIBRH7GRiT0og-xUSdgVz3FJEgE?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1236.42'>20:36</a>):</p>
<p>It might be me. I don’t know. We'll see.</p>
<p>But  I mean, we're joking, but we are. Yeah. And you know, Michelle and I hope that we are always a source of encouragement and information, and this is something we wanted to address because it is being discussed among PR professionals and it is something that bothers us too, because we work too hard in what we are building. You listeners, you're part of the, we work too hard, we strive too hard to get where we are in our careers. Many of you did put in time in traditional PR roles and came out of agencies in leadership positions. Some were client side, some went to school and you know,  your major is in comms, others are APRs and you're proud of this job. And I believe that that is something that we all share. We're proud to do this job. We love this profession and solos. We really have to make sure that we are continuing to set a high standard and not lower ourselves to these people that are really n not a credit to our profession, but we continue to raise the bar so that we're setting a standard for the next generation coming up behind us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/osgceHJMTN53IH-O62NmcCMUahqy9EfJujWOGCb2Pu24MtONIoOYvRE5EW_ONhEXOYO8gh0gIMvIAlp1phwG_06yRmM?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1323.16'>22:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I agree. And I think especially as solos and or self-employed micro agency leaders, because what credibility do we have beyond our track record and the perception of our profession? Because it's not like we don't produce widgets that we can say, look, my product is beautiful. See how nice it is. No, our service is our product. So it's so important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/T_yp3oF77U12yu4cI2ibqiPAevcnelItcO-J6akdWez4u3bubR20w0Dp_j086jFKn_wfAHMe2-k-fz3lfT4T9e3uYdk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1352.83'>22:32</a>):</p>
<p>100%. And I know the younger generation is, they're more comfortable with fluidity. They will get a job and they will leave a job in a heartbeat. Like zero emotion about it. Like Yeah, I'm not doing that. But you cannot bring that same attitude into running your own business because at some point you're going to run out a runway. Yeah. I mean you could drop around, you could practice in different countries, but there's something very satisfying about having a reputation that says you deliver results. It's personally rewarding because you're connected. You're the person that's producing the service, and you get to see the outcomes of that service. And building a reputation based on results and meeting the expectations that you set, that's what's going to give you longevity. That is what is going to allow you to scale your business. That is the thing that you can tap into.</p>
<p>You can tap into that bank of trust. And that does become more important because it's expensive and exhausting to keep hopping around and churning through clients. It's not the way, I promise you, at some point in your lives, you will get a bit older and you will see that that takes a toll because you're constantly having to expend the energy and there's a price tag to continually onboarding new people. Yeah. It gets old. It's not as fun as it sounds and you think, you know, you can't keep treat treating your clients as though they're dispensable. And this environment today should maybe help you to take note of that, that they are not dispensable, they are valuable. People do move to other companies. They do remember. And your leads may one day dry up. Because you're not who you said that you were.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/n4ISKLUYINj0p36zvILE2obQ-BUdM1hDrZbMnpW5paktUdJHq5shZ4uySiMsl_88vXPoP8mlWuJIaNhmZRkLUSuiOMw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1476.53'>24:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's so true. So true. Well, we hope that you've gotten value out of this today. We hope that every week, but especially today, I, you know, I'm sure many of you were nodding your heads rolling, your eyes giggling along with us, but we are so grateful for you and the time that you give to us. And we are equally grateful if you share this around, if you know someone who's going through this and if this might help, just give them some encouragement. We would love to be a part of that. And until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:19):
Hey, Michelle. I'm doing great. Solidarity to the writers who of this recording are on strike. We stand with writers, hang in there WGA, we hope that you get what you need and deserve. And if I were in California, I would be out there with you on the picket line.
Michelle Kane (00:42):
I fully agree. Fully agree. I hope that the WGA gets everything they are asking for because they are the backbone of all of the projects on which they serve.
Karen Swim, APR (00:54):
Yes.
Michelle Kane (00:55):
You know, if you like watching things where words come out of people's mouths, , you need to thank the writers.
Karen Swim, APR (01:02):
Absolutely. And that's kind of a funny segue. I mean, serious topic, but yeah. Writing, storytelling. Hmm. And PR peeps who might be storytelling their careers just a tad too much.
Michelle Kane (01:20):
Just a little bit. Yes. We're going to to carefully edge into these waters. I'm sure we, you'll soon be nodding listeners, these people that come into your path, these self-declared am I going to say the word, the G word, gurus, the people that come across as very flashy, but you soon find out there's precious little substance, however they present themselves as seasoned PR professionals. And, you know, it just really, it doesn't do any of us any good. It's not a service to us. In fact, it's a disservice of the hard work that truly seasoned professionals put in. And you know, I say this a lot and I think just as technology grows, and I'm not even talking about AI, I'm talking about the Canvas of the world, the people who, “I have a MAC, I'm a designer.” That whole mindset of you can do anything. Well, yes, but to a point. To a point. Even though, we're not licensed, we're not doctors. We don't get to call ourselves “Dr. PR professional,” there's still a lot of training and experience that goes into doing what we do well.
Karen Swim, APR (02:41):
There should be yeah. And I mean, while we have the APR credential and some people do have a degree in comms, the access point to practice the profession, like so many these days is, is very low. You could just set up shop and call yourself a digital PR person. I came up in PR from a very non-traditional way. And the reason that I pursued my APR is because I wanted to have that foundation. I wanted to have the language, I wanted to have the breadth of information to be able to really practice as a professional. So this discussion today is not saying that you have to go the traditional way in order to be a professional, but what we are imploring people to do is to strive to be a professional.
Please do not be out there, as Michelle said, calling yourself an expert, calling yourself a professional, calling yourself professional when you can't even write a PR plan. There are just some things going into running your own business that you really should know how to do. And you should know how to do some of the things well. You don't have to know how to do everything. You don't have to be perfect at everything. If social media is not your jam, that's okay. You can partner with people to walk you through that. But if you do not know how to research, plan, implement, evaluate, notice how I used RPIE. Please learn. Please learn. I beg of you to go learn. This came out of previous discussions because I think it's very frustrating when peop]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The current state of the social media landscape is anything but stable. Twitter continues to devolve. TikTok is going strong, but will its use be banned in the United States? It’s a challenge to keep up with the changes in current channels and evaluate new options. In this episode, we discuss this uncertainty and how you can keep your focus on using the right channels at the right time for your clients.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim, of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Hello. I am good. We got a little peek of sunshine this morning, and it was way overdue since we had lingering winter weather here in Michigan. I feel pretty good, because the sunshine definitely recharges me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's so true. You don't realize until you haven't had it for a few days and you think, "Ugh, come on, sunshine." Yes, yes, definitely. We had a little taste of summer, but now we're back to actual spring. I don't know. It was sunny up until probably an hour ago.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I've been kind of refusing, I'm like, "I'm not wearing a jacket. I don't care if I'm cold. I'm past that."</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I've been stuck in winter clothes because I couldn't take it anymore, and I was freezing. It hasn't just been lack of sun, it's actually been ... it's just been winter here. Everybody's still in their winter gear, which kind of stinks considering it's the ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It does.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... end of April. Hopefully.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Well, as the Great Purple One said, Sometimes It Snows in April. Sometimes, as we're going to talk about today, sometimes changes in social media and our landscape can also make you a bit bonkers. We're good. It's not just Twitter and the whole mess over there. It's, where are people spending their time now, and what components have changed? How does that impact how you find your audience?</p>
<p>It almost feels like the beginning of social media where I think, not that we've become complacent, but for a while, we kind of knew, all right, that's that, that's that, we know where to find everything. Suddenly, they moved our cheese all over the place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>We'll just touch on that today, and talk about our experiences, and please do hit us up at SoloPRPro.com and share your experiences, because we really want to hear about it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>It's interesting. I saw yesterday someone talk about a reporter was discussing that Twitter in particular became part of our habits. It's pretty much ingrained. We, for the past decade, we would go to Twitter and we would use it for real time news and were accustomed to PR professionals developing relationships or maintaining relationships with journalists there, we would source queries there.</p>
<p>We would see what people were up to. It was built into our daily habits, much like Facebook was the place where we just learned to go to keep up with family and friends. Now there's so many revenge Twitter sites.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I love that, revenge Twitter sites.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>People are dispersed. Now, even [inaudible 00:03:26] has notes. People are communicating over there around posts that are authored, which is sort of a new old version of what the blog post used to be. The blog post would be the community gathering place. Everybody would go and comment on blogs every day. Then you have these algorithms that have changed everywhere. You've got ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Completely.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... Google changing, you've got even YouTube changing. YouTube is another social media site, and their ad revenue has dropped to 6.7 billion in the first quarter of this year. With their 2.6% year-over-year decline, people are really wondering, okay, creators, but then also enterprises. We have clients, we all have clients that have YouTube channels, and we've all been told for such a long period of time that it's a great way to have your own thought leadership platform and share information with your audience.</p>
<p>Well, if ad revenue is dropping and algorithms are changing, and TikTok shorts are becoming more popular than YouTube, we're faced with a lot of questions about where in the hack do we spend our time, and where do we tell our clients to spend their time?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>So true, so true. It also brings back the notion, or should I say, it's a core principle, always own your real estate, always have a website, always try to be building your email list, because then these questions aren't as potent. There's definitely a space for social to amplify your message. Yeah. There are a lot of question marks of where are your audiences spending your time? From the professional development side, where are our colleagues and our contacts spending their time? How can they be found?</p>
<p>We'll throw into the mix of, I don't think it's imminent, but the status of TikTok. Is it going to stick around? We don't know. There are a lot of questions. Another core best practice has always been don't try to be on all the social things all at once. You'll just make yourself crazy. You'll not only dilute your energy, you'll dilute your effectiveness. It's best thing to do is to just take some time, remind yourself who is the audience for your client, and just look around and see. Okay, where are these people spending their most time? Take it from there.</p>
<p>Then the nice thing about social and the digital world is you have that liberty to be nimble.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's not like you're building this massive website with message boards and you're going to launch it. It's just, okay, well this doesn't seem to be working. You certainly want to give it enough time to work. We all know, these delicate balances. Give it enough time to work, but if it doesn't seem to be gaining traction, then move on.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>It's interesting, because I used to do a lot of social media strategy and management when it first came on the scene, and for many years after that. I, last year, made the decision that I was out. Recently, someone approached me and I'm like, "No, thank you." I've gotten asked to do, and I'm like, "No. I'm done with social media." My advice back then was the same, prioritize. Don't try to be on all the channels. We had our fewer channels back then too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think one of the magic words that you said for me is don't neglect building your own email list.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>That's still so key and a great way to stay in touch with your audience. I think for B2B or B2C companies, it doesn't matter. It's so important to have one reliable channel where people can get up to date, accurate information. This morning, my sister was going to try this restaurant that's been around and one that I'm familiar with, and she went to the website to check their hours. Big mistake. These days when it comes to the food industry in particular, or even stores, I usually just call.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Websites are not being maintained, which sometimes it's because they have a one-off, maybe they don't have staffing for that day. Yes, those are their normal hours, but that day, they can't be open their normal hours. She got there and they were not going to be open for an hour later. I said, "Didn't you check the hours beforehand?" She goes, "Well, the website said." Well, the website is usually the last place that I look for hours these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I'll go on Instagram or one of the social media channels to see what they said on that day. I realize it's a day by day. Then I'll call just to verify.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, that's a good point. Google business listings can be reliable. I like that Google indicates the last time hours were updated, because it lets you know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, you're right. It's shifting.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Your hours are fluctuating, or in this case, the reason that they were opening later is because they were preparing for an event. If you have those kind of one-offs or there's some fluctuation, you still need to make sure that that information is easily accessible to your audience. Not everybody is a food business. Not everybody even has brick and mortar offices anymore. In technology, which is the industry that I specialize in, almost no one has an office.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>They're all remote. You still need to make sure that there's one channel that you are posting on frequently, so that people know like, "Oh, let me go check their X."</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I vote for website. I always vote for website, because it's the one thing that no one else has control over, but you. As Michelle said, it's your real estate, it's your domain. Y,ou should always at least have your website updated all the time at all times, with all of the latest information, with all of the happenings, because that's the one place that people will like, "Okay, let's check the website, let's head there and see what's going on." Then pick a social channel. Today, for me, and for most of my clients, it's really LinkedIn and a newsletter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Of course, their website.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>LinkedIn, I've seen a huge uptick in requests of me to subscribe to people's newsletters on LinkedIn. Hey, that could work for you as well. At least it's a place where depending what your type of business is, like minded people will be congregating. The people that you might be doing business with or for are hanging out. We all know this. We all know the social platforms have different purposes. If you're trying to get something out to the public, it's different ways, it's Facebook.</p>
<p>Yeah, gosh. Even I still work in social media. I still manage pages. It's not as fun as it used to me, but I keep telling some of my clients that get frustrated, I say, "Hey, you're going to get so tired of your content, because the 80/20 rule with the way the algorithm is, does it really pay off?" Sure, I'll share other people's things really as a way of networking online, but if you're trying to get your message out consistently, I had someone ask, it's a brick and mortar retail establishment. No one's calling. The call to action is the little phone icon and the phone number.</p>
<p>I have to say, I'm like, "Well, they're probably not going to." We do it as a point of reference to slowly subliminally plant that maybe on the 12th time they see it, if they're ready for your service, that's another factor, then maybe they'll call. At least I want it there at their fingertips, because as we all know, the less clicks, the better. We don't like to have to dig down rabbit holes to do business with somebody.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think for communicators that do still manage social media, one key skillset that I have heard clients asking for, and just lots of ... I can't find the word. What are the people that we do business with? Organizations. The one skill that I see organizations continuously seeking out are people that are experienced in social media ads, particularly LinkedIn ads. If that's not a skillset that you're particularly good at, but you offer social media, I would advise trying to beef up your skillset in that area, because people do want that. I also believe that it's really important these days to also think granular.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I watch Reddit for one of my clients, and it's a gold mine of engagement, because people are talking about my client there in a positive way. It also gives us an opportunity to watch anything that is not quite accurate information. It helps us with our messaging. It helps us to see what questions are being asked. Some audiences are gathering in smaller, more intimate places. They're not necessarily on Twitter, particularly, again, if you're dealing with the general public.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>When I say general public, it could be consumers, it can be employees. If you're in the workforce space, then part of your market might be people that work at the companies that you work with. I think it's important to not ignore those niche spaces that are more intimate, which can be very appealing for a lot of people these days. It feels quieter, more manageable, and so many people are not on the big channels.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>If any of us stop for a second and think about your friends that are not in this business, they're not in communications, they're not in marketing, how many of them have a Twitter account?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right, or even a Facebook account?</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Facebook.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I see that both with my peers, and also I would say millennials, even Gen Z, they're just not there. Which is important to keep in mind, because even as you do a lot of work in those channels, which is valid, keep in mind that people are spending their time in other spaces, which we can evolve into a whole other conversation about how you should be using all sorts of different mediums. Today's all about how social media is a popcorn machine with the door open. Everything's just all over the place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I love that. It's true. If I see more than one network pop up, at this point, I'm like, okay ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Stop.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... Pick it up. In the immediate changeover of Twitter, I did establish accounts on Post and Mastodon and some of the other places, but I just have decided personally for my own personal use that I'm like, "You know what? I don't care about any of it." To be honest with you, I do try to use LinkedIn kind of occasionally, and then of course, Instagram, because I have my dog's account, and her account is way more active than mine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank God for our pets.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think that it's so complex for us communicators because there's just so many choices, and it's really divided our audience into so many pieces because they're not hanging out in one place anymore. Think about the media landscape too. The same thing happened, but now we're kind of seeing that shift happening. I think we're going to end up with fewer media channels because they can't make money.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>The theme of media and social media these days is the lack of ad revenue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>That is really the theme. They're both struggling with getting people to advertise, and without advertising dollars, you don't have money.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right. You think about the dilution of the audiences, with more channels comes less eyeballs across the board. Yeah. That's going to affect all of that. It's just important to keep all of this in mind as we serve our clients. As best you can, just take your time and see where other similar clients maybe are spending their time. Just keep evaluating, which I think all of us do. We all do this, but we just thought we'd talk about this today because sometimes you're like, "Another channel?"</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah. The podcast is therapy for us sometimes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, that's right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Feeling the overwhelm of social media dilution and algorithms, algorithm mean too much.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes, exactly. We hope you've gotten value out of this today. We know we have. I feel better. I don't know about you, Karen, but ...</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I feel a lot better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>If you did get something out it, please share it around. I'm sure there are many more of us out there going, "What?" We do value the time that you give us and that you spend with us every week. Until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The current state of the social media landscape is anything but stable. Twitter continues to devolve. TikTok is going strong, but will its use be banned in the United States? It’s a challenge to keep up with the changes in current channels and evaluate new options. In this episode, we discuss this uncertainty and how you can keep your focus on using the right channels at the right time for your clients.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim, of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Hello. I am good. We got a little peek of sunshine this morning, and it was way overdue since we had lingering winter weather here in Michigan. I feel pretty good, because the sunshine definitely recharges me.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's so true. You don't realize until you haven't had it for a few days and you think, "Ugh, come on, sunshine." Yes, yes, definitely. We had a little taste of summer, but now we're back to actual spring. I don't know. It was sunny up until probably an hour ago.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I've been kind of refusing, I'm like, "I'm not wearing a jacket. I don't care if I'm cold. I'm past that."</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I've been stuck in winter clothes because I couldn't take it anymore, and I was freezing. It hasn't just been lack of sun, it's actually been ... it's just been winter here. Everybody's still in their winter gear, which kind of stinks considering it's the ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It does.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... end of April. Hopefully.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Well, as the Great Purple One said, Sometimes It Snows in April. Sometimes, as we're going to talk about today, sometimes changes in social media and our landscape can also make you a bit bonkers. We're good. It's not just Twitter and the whole mess over there. It's, where are people spending their time now, and what components have changed? How does that impact how you find your audience?</p>
<p>It almost feels like the beginning of social media where I think, not that we've become complacent, but for a while, we kind of knew, all right, that's that, that's that, we know where to find everything. Suddenly, they moved our cheese all over the place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>We'll just touch on that today, and talk about our experiences, and please do hit us up at SoloPRPro.com and share your experiences, because we really want to hear about it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>It's interesting. I saw yesterday someone talk about a reporter was discussing that Twitter in particular became part of our habits. It's pretty much ingrained. We, for the past decade, we would go to Twitter and we would use it for real time news and were accustomed to PR professionals developing relationships or maintaining relationships with journalists there, we would source queries there.</p>
<p>We would see what people were up to. It was built into our daily habits, much like Facebook was the place where we just learned to go to keep up with family and friends. Now there's so many revenge Twitter sites.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I love that, revenge Twitter sites.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>People are dispersed. Now, even [inaudible 00:03:26] has notes. People are communicating over there around posts that are authored, which is sort of a new old version of what the blog post used to be. The blog post would be the community gathering place. Everybody would go and comment on blogs every day. Then you have these algorithms that have changed everywhere. You've got ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Completely.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... Google changing, you've got even YouTube changing. YouTube is another social media site, and their ad revenue has dropped to 6.7 billion in the first quarter of this year. With their 2.6% year-over-year decline, people are really wondering, okay, creators, but then also enterprises. We have clients, we all have clients that have YouTube channels, and we've all been told for such a long period of time that it's a great way to have your own thought leadership platform and share information with your audience.</p>
<p>Well, if ad revenue is dropping and algorithms are changing, and TikTok shorts are becoming more popular than YouTube, we're faced with a lot of questions about where in the hack do we spend our time, and where do we tell our clients to spend their time?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>So true, so true. It also brings back the notion, or should I say, it's a core principle, always own your real estate, always have a website, always try to be building your email list, because then these questions aren't as potent. There's definitely a space for social to amplify your message. Yeah. There are a lot of question marks of where are your audiences spending your time? From the professional development side, where are our colleagues and our contacts spending their time? How can they be found?</p>
<p>We'll throw into the mix of, I don't think it's imminent, but the status of TikTok. Is it going to stick around? We don't know. There are a lot of questions. Another core best practice has always been don't try to be on all the social things all at once. You'll just make yourself crazy. You'll not only dilute your energy, you'll dilute your effectiveness. It's best thing to do is to just take some time, remind yourself who is the audience for your client, and just look around and see. Okay, where are these people spending their most time? Take it from there.</p>
<p>Then the nice thing about social and the digital world is you have that liberty to be nimble.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's not like you're building this massive website with message boards and you're going to launch it. It's just, okay, well this doesn't seem to be working. You certainly want to give it enough time to work. We all know, these delicate balances. Give it enough time to work, but if it doesn't seem to be gaining traction, then move on.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>It's interesting, because I used to do a lot of social media strategy and management when it first came on the scene, and for many years after that. I, last year, made the decision that I was out. Recently, someone approached me and I'm like, "No, thank you." I've gotten asked to do, and I'm like, "No. I'm done with social media." My advice back then was the same, prioritize. Don't try to be on all the channels. We had our fewer channels back then too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think one of the magic words that you said for me is don't neglect building your own email list.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>That's still so key and a great way to stay in touch with your audience. I think for B2B or B2C companies, it doesn't matter. It's so important to have one reliable channel where people can get up to date, accurate information. This morning, my sister was going to try this restaurant that's been around and one that I'm familiar with, and she went to the website to check their hours. Big mistake. These days when it comes to the food industry in particular, or even stores, I usually just call.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Websites are not being maintained, which sometimes it's because they have a one-off, maybe they don't have staffing for that day. Yes, those are their normal hours, but that day, they can't be open their normal hours. She got there and they were not going to be open for an hour later. I said, "Didn't you check the hours beforehand?" She goes, "Well, the website said." Well, the website is usually the last place that I look for hours these days.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I'll go on Instagram or one of the social media channels to see what they said on that day. I realize it's a day by day. Then I'll call just to verify.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, that's a good point. Google business listings can be reliable. I like that Google indicates the last time hours were updated, because it lets you know.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Absolutely.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah, you're right. It's shifting.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Your hours are fluctuating, or in this case, the reason that they were opening later is because they were preparing for an event. If you have those kind of one-offs or there's some fluctuation, you still need to make sure that that information is easily accessible to your audience. Not everybody is a food business. Not everybody even has brick and mortar offices anymore. In technology, which is the industry that I specialize in, almost no one has an office.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>They're all remote. You still need to make sure that there's one channel that you are posting on frequently, so that people know like, "Oh, let me go check their X."</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I vote for website. I always vote for website, because it's the one thing that no one else has control over, but you. As Michelle said, it's your real estate, it's your domain. Y,ou should always at least have your website updated all the time at all times, with all of the latest information, with all of the happenings, because that's the one place that people will like, "Okay, let's check the website, let's head there and see what's going on." Then pick a social channel. Today, for me, and for most of my clients, it's really LinkedIn and a newsletter.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Of course, their website.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>LinkedIn, I've seen a huge uptick in requests of me to subscribe to people's newsletters on LinkedIn. Hey, that could work for you as well. At least it's a place where depending what your type of business is, like minded people will be congregating. The people that you might be doing business with or for are hanging out. We all know this. We all know the social platforms have different purposes. If you're trying to get something out to the public, it's different ways, it's Facebook.</p>
<p>Yeah, gosh. Even I still work in social media. I still manage pages. It's not as fun as it used to me, but I keep telling some of my clients that get frustrated, I say, "Hey, you're going to get so tired of your content, because the 80/20 rule with the way the algorithm is, does it really pay off?" Sure, I'll share other people's things really as a way of networking online, but if you're trying to get your message out consistently, I had someone ask, it's a brick and mortar retail establishment. No one's calling. The call to action is the little phone icon and the phone number.</p>
<p>I have to say, I'm like, "Well, they're probably not going to." We do it as a point of reference to slowly subliminally plant that maybe on the 12th time they see it, if they're ready for your service, that's another factor, then maybe they'll call. At least I want it there at their fingertips, because as we all know, the less clicks, the better. We don't like to have to dig down rabbit holes to do business with somebody.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think for communicators that do still manage social media, one key skillset that I have heard clients asking for, and just lots of ... I can't find the word. What are the people that we do business with? Organizations. The one skill that I see organizations continuously seeking out are people that are experienced in social media ads, particularly LinkedIn ads. If that's not a skillset that you're particularly good at, but you offer social media, I would advise trying to beef up your skillset in that area, because people do want that. I also believe that it's really important these days to also think granular.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I watch Reddit for one of my clients, and it's a gold mine of engagement, because people are talking about my client there in a positive way. It also gives us an opportunity to watch anything that is not quite accurate information. It helps us with our messaging. It helps us to see what questions are being asked. Some audiences are gathering in smaller, more intimate places. They're not necessarily on Twitter, particularly, again, if you're dealing with the general public.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>When I say general public, it could be consumers, it can be employees. If you're in the workforce space, then part of your market might be people that work at the companies that you work with. I think it's important to not ignore those niche spaces that are more intimate, which can be very appealing for a lot of people these days. It feels quieter, more manageable, and so many people are not on the big channels.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>If any of us stop for a second and think about your friends that are not in this business, they're not in communications, they're not in marketing, how many of them have a Twitter account?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right, or even a Facebook account?</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Facebook.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>I see that both with my peers, and also I would say millennials, even Gen Z, they're just not there. Which is important to keep in mind, because even as you do a lot of work in those channels, which is valid, keep in mind that people are spending their time in other spaces, which we can evolve into a whole other conversation about how you should be using all sorts of different mediums. Today's all about how social media is a popcorn machine with the door open. Everything's just all over the place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I love that. It's true. If I see more than one network pop up, at this point, I'm like, okay ...</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Stop.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>... Pick it up. In the immediate changeover of Twitter, I did establish accounts on Post and Mastodon and some of the other places, but I just have decided personally for my own personal use that I'm like, "You know what? I don't care about any of it." To be honest with you, I do try to use LinkedIn kind of occasionally, and then of course, Instagram, because I have my dog's account, and her account is way more active than mine.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Thank God for our pets.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>It's true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I think that it's so complex for us communicators because there's just so many choices, and it's really divided our audience into so many pieces because they're not hanging out in one place anymore. Think about the media landscape too. The same thing happened, but now we're kind of seeing that shift happening. I think we're going to end up with fewer media channels because they can't make money.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>The theme of media and social media these days is the lack of ad revenue.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>That is really the theme. They're both struggling with getting people to advertise, and without advertising dollars, you don't have money.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Right. You think about the dilution of the audiences, with more channels comes less eyeballs across the board. Yeah. That's going to affect all of that. It's just important to keep all of this in mind as we serve our clients. As best you can, just take your time and see where other similar clients maybe are spending their time. Just keep evaluating, which I think all of us do. We all do this, but we just thought we'd talk about this today because sometimes you're like, "Another channel?"</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Yeah. The podcast is therapy for us sometimes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Oh, that's right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>Feeling the overwhelm of social media dilution and algorithms, algorithm mean too much.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>Yes, exactly. We hope you've gotten value out of this today. We know we have. I feel better. I don't know about you, Karen, but ...</p>
<p>Karen Swim:</p>
<p>I feel a lot better.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane:</p>
<p>If you did get something out it, please share it around. I'm sure there are many more of us out there going, "What?" We do value the time that you give us and that you spend with us every week. Until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane:
Thank you for joining us for an episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. People like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever-steady co-host, Karen Swim, of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?
Karen Swim:
Hello. I am good. We got a little peek of sunshine this morning, and it was way overdue since we had lingering winter weather here in Michigan. I feel pretty good, because the sunshine definitely recharges me.
Michelle Kane:
It's so true. You don't realize until you haven't had it for a few days and you think, "Ugh, come on, sunshine." Yes, yes, definitely. We had a little taste of summer, but now we're back to actual spring. I don't know. It was sunny up until probably an hour ago.
Karen Swim:
Yeah.
Michelle Kane:
I've been kind of refusing, I'm like, "I'm not wearing a jacket. I don't care if I'm cold. I'm past that."
Karen Swim:
I've been stuck in winter clothes because I couldn't take it anymore, and I was freezing. It hasn't just been lack of sun, it's actually been ... it's just been winter here. Everybody's still in their winter gear, which kind of stinks considering it's the ...
Michelle Kane:
It does.
Karen Swim:
... end of April. Hopefully.
Michelle Kane:
Well, as the Great Purple One said, Sometimes It Snows in April. Sometimes, as we're going to talk about today, sometimes changes in social media and our landscape can also make you a bit bonkers. We're good. It's not just Twitter and the whole mess over there. It's, where are people spending their time now, and what components have changed? How does that impact how you find your audience?
It almost feels like the beginning of social media where I think, not that we've become complacent, but for a while, we kind of knew, all right, that's that, that's that, we know where to find everything. Suddenly, they moved our cheese all over the place.
Karen Swim:
Yeah.
Michelle Kane:
We'll just touch on that today, and talk about our experiences, and please do hit us up at SoloPRPro.com and share your experiences, because we really want to hear about it.
Karen Swim:
It's interesting. I saw yesterday someone talk about a reporter was discussing that Twitter in particular became part of our habits. It's pretty much ingrained. We, for the past decade, we would go to Twitter and we would use it for real time news and were accustomed to PR professionals developing relationships or maintaining relationships with journalists there, we would source queries there.
We would see what people were up to. It was built into our daily habits, much like Facebook was the place where we just learned to go to keep up with family and friends. Now there's so many revenge Twitter sites.
Michelle Kane:
I love that, revenge Twitter sites.
Karen Swim:
People are dispersed. Now, even [inaudible 00:03:26] has notes. People are communicating over there around posts that are authored, which is sort of a new old version of what the blog post used to be. The blog post would be the community gathering place. Everybody would go and comment on blogs every day. Then you have these algorithms that have changed everywhere. You've got ...
Michelle Kane:
Completely.
Karen Swim:
... Google changing, you've got even YouTube changing. YouTube is another social media site, and their ad revenue has dropped to 6.7 billion in the first quarter of this year. With their 2.6% year-over-year decline, people are really wondering, okay, creators, but then also enterprises. We have clients, we all have clients that have YouTu]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>you want to listen to this episode, where we talk with Katy Boos, CEO and Founder of Remix Communications. Katy founded Remix Communications because she’s passionate about creating impactful thought leadership programs for her clients. Brainstorming compelling topics and narratives, Katy helps bring ideas to life on stage at top industry events and in written content for clients such as Adobe, Meta, Stitch Fix and several successful start-ups and growth companies.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t49wd_EFxenqLAdS2m28kStAwvKkmfqvICs0x6fY9j-I5Xvjbt46iDqP52UdqBl58taYC2NLI4CpP2ji1rYPjvTm3hI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.58'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. And we're so excited today because we have a guest. We love guest days. Today we have Katie Bus. Katie is the CEO and Founder of Remix Communications. She founded Remix Communications because she's passionate about creating impactful thought leadership programs for her clients. That includes brainstorming compelling topics and narratives. Katie helps bring ideas to life on stage, at top, industry events, and in written content for clients such as Adobe Meta Stitch Fix, not too shabby, and several successful startups and growth companies. Before Remix, Katie co-founded a successful Silicon Valley marketing and PR firm earlier. She managed PR programs at Apple for media and entertainment, mobile products and QuickTime. Katie lives in Los Angeles, and she was selected for the advisory committee of South by Southwest. Served as a TEDx speaker, curator and coach volunteers. When do you have time to volunteer at all? Seated in a barn horse rescue, which is awesome, and has been a board member for the Peninsula Humane Society and the Working Wonders Children's Museum. And with all of that, we are so grateful to welcome you today to That Solo Life. Katie? Yes.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DH5P9iIBluW6vR3z-Q-VWQCfuQvMpw10OvBC7fxyw_C8055hNpA_78EYK6igZGTbCgR0NKPyPjD1ptbGuWQnijSNsSQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=89.64'>01:29</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, thank you ladies. . I'm so excited to be here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9mAK_CUe46q47JZJen1suJ_fdUqPBZsl_9OCXq5ncRFBd3vpXUqZL3xlqClYUM2rEst2yBTtTuzAYWVk3LtALICeB6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=94.5'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>This is incredible. Yes. So we'll start off, I mean, just tell us a little bit about your client work and, and really where you specialize, because the title of this episode is Stay in Your Lane. And, and we mean that in the most positive of ways because that's the way you can be most impactful. Right?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9Z_fOmuhCjYP3iT2tq4llZDocbUKh01issdHhgPABUs8mpAktCAdf125zlgu5fcEtQDpWTx--bAniHXVGXvvJLU-Njg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=112.59'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I love that. I love Stay in Your Lane. I have this sort of traditional PR background as you mentioned, Michelle, in your nice intro. And, you know, after years and years of doing PR programs, traditional media relations, that sort of thing, I really found this love for thought leadership and speaking programs and really helping executives get out there and get their messages out there. Sowhen I had the chance to spin off from my last agency and specialize, I really wanted that focus of thought leadership. And so that's been the focus for Remix Communications. We are definitely niche. There's not a lot of us out there who do exactly what we do, but it's worked out really well. I, I think it's something that, you know, it gives us that real specialty. People know what we do and they can come to us foryou know, for those services.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qPRG2Ow6qeVb10rNYcUGseLUGli80xAwy7Iabgh6pqRKOlzV0hyENvuIT17aZIKMUZuJuGtvkOkVZxriuP_-w5BgfCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=175.86'>02:55</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Definitely. And you know, we're, we're still in post pandemic world, right? Even though Covid is still around. But I know a lot of us in our event planning, we've had challenges of attendance and things like that. What, are the some of the biggest trends you are seeing happening with events and conferences these days?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VT2tJkd0nsVHnmduKBHnmO1sedChJMSi9NBLjKYYWq1B-0RTiftV2fk5qcvJt52Zi72MHJ8oe6VwW2apTaqkTyRjAWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=195.55'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's, it's changing, right? Kind of as you said, we, you know, everything was gang busters 2019, 2020. The brakes went on big time and clients were trying to figure out what should we do. Virtual events obviously became a huge deal. I will say a lot of us sort of got tired of them. We don't all want to sit in our chair watching events. So when things sort of started to come back slowly, 2021, 2022, we started to see this nice uptick. I'm coming off a month of being at a couple different eventsin person. And I will tell you, I think a huge thing right now is that people are so excited to be around each other. There's just such energy and enthusiasm, the connections that you make in person, there's nothing like it. You know, it's sort of like you need to be there.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kPo-ojQ6ggrlEbBYObbFo1gskfWgdC87OBEyhVWz6ZEUapLRRsIacqUaoKDXWY3G-4ogfD85BQeIzFB0Er-ZQg9I9G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=255.43'>04:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, you can get some of the content online. Definitely that's great if you can't travel, you knowabroad, for example, for Web Summit or whatever. But being there in person, it's those chance meetups if you're waiting for coffee or, you know, one of the writers that we work with regularly sat next to me at an event in Seattle, and we happened to be the two people who, who weren't on our phones at that moment. And we struck up a conversation and I realized, this one's a really talented writer, and now we've worked together. I think it's going on six years. So it's that kind of thing where it's just you know, that networking. So I would say in-person events, definitely that's a huge trend. People wanna be there. I will also say, and maybe this is a result of us being locked down and being on Zoom so much, but sessions are shorter.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oRWv2wxe0WUzqKjXmIpri-BOPtjC3oxeHGYh8WmeZD9yLGQTtmGT0RGfhu276lb792R1mg3P8Owvr1HWxBybKbKLoM0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=311.56'>05:11</a>):</p>
<p>Typically. They need to be livelier. They need to have, do not show up with a bunch of PowerPoint bullets and think outside the box as far as like the presentation. And by shorter, by the way, you might still have an hour slot, but it could be 30 minutes of your session, 30 minutes of a Q&A. And that's something I'm really seeing, you know, just getting back from, you know, a pretty major event where people are just lined up with questions. They want to talk to the speaker. So it's great to deliver information, but it's really great to interact with the audience as well. That was and</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CYLoTQRYfatCRoGkDIInxRl0WUIetB9f85oskMDNUrqGA-2CnoYVShSw7zyCgJgPCaNbByAzwGVYZXu7Hcrwr5_5_QI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=349.93'>05:49</a>):</p>
<p>You just answered a question that I had of what are the expectations now? Cause you talk about this excitement of events and you just answered that Yeah. And as you described that, you know, the change, the shift in kind of what the audience is expecting from the content. Are you finding that organizers are looking for something different or very specific now that we're in this era of having been exposed to virtual events and, and the, and those still being, you know, an option mm-hmm. , is there something specific that they look for now that they didn't prior to the pandemic?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_G-60L6C7vt9_DrnmpV5DQDhwsq2i_vF6G-qYUCvSywJPBrtBG_L-eQASGkS8KEzgqr3JmUQhVW70n95DpGmL2zVWps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=389.45'>06:29</a>):</p>
<p>It's a good question. I think this would be true before the pandemic, but maybe more so just that, that content needs to be super engaging. You know, more use of video. Again, more Q&A, more just visual presentations than anything. I'll also say, if you can have a provocative topic andfocus for your session, all the better. Can you be a little bitoff what everyone else is saying, you know like if it, this is imaginary, but like, if somebody stood up right now and said, chat GPT is not useful, you know, we're, we're all seeing it's pretty useful in, in some regards. So would that be interesting enough? Yeah. I mean, maybe that's something people want to listen to, so it's kind of taking that opposing view. And then I would also say, you know, bringing in partners, that's something we do a ton of. We will partner our client with other companies who maybe aren't our client, but we think they've got a good message to make this amazing session and delivered on a silver platter to the organizer. So really, you know, thinking about what would be most engaging for the audience. And again, all of those things were true before the pandemic, but now I think it's even more true. Shorter attention spans. We want good content.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZPRY_cblB8LleXFE0qszJKrbqVwXQTQuEIyJYxHm6CC_OP3S9tEnqZ8epbddLdzhBYme6LVRBKLmvgkmVawIpF5z9K8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=481.52'>08:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think too, people are more selective with how they spend their time. Some intentionally, some I think without really realizing it, because our rhythms have changed, our, our priorities have changed. A lot of us are, you know, now that things are back up and running, it's everyone's busieryou know, in in a way that it's not just busy work, but they're, they're busy, they're working in their businesses and they really mm-hmm. , it has to be something special to take that time away. But I, I also love that you brought up the serendipity of those chance meetings. I, you know, it's, it's funny, even in my day-to-day, so often, some of the best conversations and the best Intel happens in the parking lot conversations, .</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vhfBoGPei4hbe_6r3lK5yDiz3MAO7TxU9TFiWo0ZkShoowrwzEJ2cpRSP5eP-usmizguJ2HXOuf7UEG466hdd6ijY54?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=525.38'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, yes. It's so true. It's so true. I just, you know, I was just, I had a client speaking at South by Southwest, and after the session I went up and was talking to two of the audience members. Guess what, they're both new business prospects right now. I mean, that was not my intent. It was . It was just, Hey, what did you think of the workshop? What did you think of this session? And obviously they're there and I can say, oh, and by the way, I, I placed this, I, you know, yeah, I did this workshop . So it was sort of like the best proof in the pudding right there. So it was great. Oh,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zqvCIV2THbe9rG2CNvHl1fPxJRQUm4PRVGz_PiOa5_0yhqv7QeIiUZsMRCbGvjOIpvvHp9EOtlQSy22EdkZ44VhhU1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=562.68'>09:22</a>):</p>
<p>That's incredible. I love it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0JO-TXVjNnbybk1K8F4pHFU0yxqYzAopEZHmnAYON7cy9YP9W38cQk1JC9ZIxu_093ZXm-zE1l_T2-zNKXbu5w1p1Wg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=565.5'>09:25</a>):</p>
<p>Tell us, you know, you, you are, you really function in the executive thought leadership lane and you love it there, you live there. Tell us about some of the best practices that our audience can adapt to get their speakers booked for engagements.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WS7uzxuzMnGQcxeVi6uKnMegYMTkh5y8Jvd4ClK4ylmqerXIUvRfY235b0HOu2zozlJjK00qEW1FC2F7F53j5UF6o3Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=589.14'>09:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think the number one thing is understand that event that you are targeting intimately. Go to the website, look at past agendas, who spoke there before. Are you proposing a product manager and they only have C level speakers, you know, don't do that. So , I think that's, that's number one. And that's, you know, as all of us, you know, under the umbrella of PR practitioners, that's what we should be doing anyway, right? If you're pitching the New York Times, you want to know that you're going to the right reporter and you have something that they would be interested in, something they maybe have covered or covered around that area. It's no different with speaking. You need to have something that's valuable to the conference organizer. I think a mistake that a lot of people makeand maybe all of us when we first started in our careers, is we go online and we fill out the apply to speak form. And, you know, that's not to say, you know, we still do that. Absolutely. But if you're just kind of plugging in information without really tailoring it, without really understanding the event, that's a miss. And you will, nine times out of 10 not get chosen. You may luck out and, and get to a smaller event. But I think that's number one is really understanding the event, the topics, level of speakersthat sort of thing. So I, I think that's probably the, the first place to start.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_PrG4C0HnLFKG1CbPf9c_uXsbbAYqIcr4tDsSFa11aL7BLqqTE-WAPYnE5j1dWUtkhLOAXF4WHx3XcdZ4Ko19WvrxW8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=690.54'>11:30</a>):</p>
<p>Excellent. And then on the other side of it, how do you best prepare your clients for these engagements?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mIX7ssgUq_1fNWJzjD7monPJ4oyA9944sWXPsadW42gBKrTSs6G72SqjdMOYmtkukZH6KREcDJxGe6v1mYwdx8lk82s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=698.28'>11:38</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we like to load them up with, here's the event, here's everything you need to know. We give them, you know, even here's where you check in. For some major events, we'll let them know about, other complimentary sessions they might want to attend. We get them, you know, Hey, you gotta get your hotel cause it's gonna sell out, you know, in this area. So it's really all of those logistical details that kind of gets into the tactics, but making sure they're all teed up. It hands on making sure that they have a chance to do kind of a tech run through. And that can be, honestly, that can be 15 minutes before the session. Sometimes you can't get in the room until then, but just making sure that they have a backup. Do they have their laptop? Do they have a thumb drive?</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YwX9mp0PBuLRT2yauZjgUEtVm0MplIf6EUgSDtvuxTH-53hDARDhTmXWrK-ulc0a9Ne_MDWjNOxntgtlutNaLzVCBWU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=751.87'>12:31</a>):</p>
<p>Do they have the presentation with a conference organizer? All of that. And then, you know, sort of backing up a step at a higher level, some of our clients want speaker training and we do offer that. That's something that can be as simple as, Hey, I just want to run this by someone and do a brush up for an hour. Great, we can do that. It could be we want to practice on stage, we want to plan the blocking. I want to know that when I make this point, I'm at this point in the stage and what hand gesture should I use when that sort of thing. So it could really vary, but I do, I think speaker training can be super valuable to people. And then, you know, just beyond that, making sure that people understand the event they're going to. Andyou know, again, what's the focus? Who will be in the audience that's super important. What's the demographics of this event? And speak to them, make sure it's you know, if it's an audience of students, don't talk about, oh, you're a, y mid-career change, you know, midlife career change, you, you would be missing the mark. So just understanding that I think is important. Making sure speakers understand that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HoIgeTrV9rc8GkZ7y5w12G7U3FwHebh-EdDJG4j7wEG9xbHwn4aJuDGgHatm0ZqQz7PKEQ5UDSnEBv4bc4VF3qkIGD8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=832.78'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. Yeah, that's great advice too in about the speaker training because I think so many people can benefit from that. Even if you speak and you're a great speaker, it never, that coaching and then blocking is really useful, particularly if it's, you know, a keynote or, you know, if it's going to be like a workshop in a room, you're probably okay with not doing the blocking because the room is not going to vary that much from what you might be accustomed to. But I I love that. That's great advice. A lot of our solos may be working withexecutives that are fantastic speakers. They're engaging, they've got a great topic, they have all of the things that would make them wow an audience, but they don't have a book. They don't work for a company that maybe everybody knows. How do we get those speakers booked?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0HXBH857tn0xfVepdP5P3l4mrO-9nkRckuQ23SQzd29wSDcpCa59rU0-TbvQ99dr6Aidd62M7PyOYAUD29oGtUPJGkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=888.97'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it comes down to really being scrappy and we're no different. You know, I will be the first to say, if I go to an event and say, have I have a VP at Adobe who wants to get on stage, what do you think? That's a lot easier than, you know, I have this startup over here in this sort of niche area. And it's much harder. That's when wefor example, right now we're pairing a CEO of a growth company. We're trying to get him at a very, very top event. It's probably the number one event for his space. We're pairing him with a woman who is an expert in this field, and she's nationally known and she's willing to do it. So we went out, we, spoke with her and of course the event's like, Ooh, hey, wow, yeah, we'd love to have her.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sdIkb7I5Pp8ae1VTece3nTw2_b4CcL2HxVFkYDrVuxSS36MQ6cAadLuH_sbywN4r72_MtuKWhyic5VAxakDorWSemW0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=946.31'>15:46</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm like, and it's a package deal. , you know, it's, it's a twofer here, but you know, you just, you just kinda have to get scrappy and Yeah. You know, and put people together. And that's, and that's where, you know, again, like looking at other companies that might be complimentary, maybe you put together a killer panel you know and also, you know, I think sometimes people get too narrowly focused on my company is, you know, an AI, whatever, right? And they're like, we, our topic needs to be AI. What if your topic is, you are the first unicorn in this space. How did you get your funding? How did you grow? How did you make a career change? Why did you start this business? You know, there's so many ways to get in there. And that's what we love to do is like when we first get a client, we will meet with them.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kJcAp6QC_7AJiwdGIJ8pfTStCsIre80EVmcG4GctkTKJPi-MMxyMdo_mF91TIw6FL3zTS7zE6sha7TjB4JKDOc2h6MY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1002.8'>16:42</a>):</p>
<p>We have what we call story mining sessions. So we're talking with them, we're like trying to get out what's the really interesting angle here? It's great you have this like AI product, that's awesome, but what's the other, what are the other things that will make you stand out, make you unique and make you of interest to an event? So I think that's really important. So just, yeah, those things. Who can you partner with? Can you put together a really compelling panel? All of it goes back to, let's tee this up for the conference organizers. Let's put it on a silver platter and go, here you go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a9gM-Zz4Eitd-11Nok2N98OBNbj9ARX-XbpWneJUQrzdaUoRcKxh_G60w8XmgwsHzr64MktcD0dzLxKXi8yrUE0Ziec?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1037.11'>17:17</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you talked about clients and their tunnel vision. I'm sure that got a, a nod of agreement from everyone in our audience because my goodness, sometimes it's so hard to get them outside of their head and, and enable them to see the bigger picture, which is why they have us, right? Because we're creative and we're thinking more broadly. So thank you for reassuring all of us that we're not the only one  that, you know, deals with this issue. It is universal in our field of getting clients to see the color that we see instead of just seeing in black and white. And I feel like I have these conversations daily sometimes from the mundane to the extremely frustrating</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V-cT-fwspiinXtgGxIEnY1iWiG_ioYjkNkCz6DbwLW7ppEOjEECpvqjUcYW-wgeFqW36jbvItmi3G1U53bZ1FizBN_w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1086'>18:06</a>):</p>
<p>,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gkoPjMavcVGrsPXVaMK45pgIQTw97l8s2XrPoWL75q5wSPLMoyr9JXFLqhWDZST-BCKaWwLLj7KyNmQP1spmGdx4Z-M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1087.32'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Which describes my morning</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/asniq6W3-LXWel_FnzrupRgcsW4eGgDTQ6k_sn-5JIW2637rv5Iyv60AQu-0HqGAa8K_pruCBw16agddilXfIHGTml0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1089.8'>18:09</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, no,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OQK4KRv288f527F54dcgUDDJwT7nDfTSIKeYc3qaK4or9yKWy_6M1QRj0igHBSim6jt7Q18aLmLd3zSTiQ3oLhfokpw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1092.21'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>No, but it's, it's so true. It's in those story mining moments, right? The things that they think are boring and you think, whoa, wait. Yeah, that's a possibility. So true. What I do it all the time every day. Well, yes, exactly. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7SQRQeI2YnKYMaFV9xhuMeTHL12CNb0NHMadWA9EJ7I8FSJ9vjKdOCPrLi2N6Yp3_s-BNJDu4xpHQlinJCLXYay6PTU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1106.94'>18:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Hx-lQ5gaF0eAk3BYlZarbTfU6juDPTmbNzjkxCIk3fQicPLC5k9_jPwDsfI8BzuX8Wm2_FPR4ZZvNzYysq-ItBOSvR8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1107.27'>18:27</a>):</p>
<p>It's funny, you know, one of our clientswho I won't name, but we, when we first started working with them, the feedback we were getting from conference organizers was, okay, they spoke last year or two years ago, five years ago, and all they did was get on stage and do a sales pitch. And I was like, I can assure you that will not happen. That is not what we're doing. And as a matter of fact, my guidance to clients is, I would say you get one mention, so you can be like, oh, you know, and in, in this case, this is how we would at, our company handle this issue. You get one mention, and then really, I feel like the value is your name, your affiliation, you're being splashed all over their promotions, you know? And it's that credibility that you get beyond that.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AXQmfMTsdxFXjMF5hkPaSMoXmt4xtS1B3J4tAQep9ev26o-xi1Ea4GW5OX6u9PH-tFs2lcWN-IhjQL1cZrIH-ovxZ7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1157.82'>19:17</a>):</p>
<p>And this is why we love content too. Take advantage of the fact that you are speaking at these events. Do a blog post about it, do social posts about it, you know, just milk it for all it's worth because, you know, it's great if you have those people in the room, but sometimes, sometimes it's 50 people, you know, and is it worth it for you to travel, do this presentation, prep, all of the work that goes into it to reach 50 people? Maybe if they're your absolute targets, but how can you go beyond that? And that's what we're always looking at. We want to reach 5,000 people. And so that's where content comes in, the complimentary side of things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NxXboeESSt3qwTEOoUvLcS8oWP7VofINfUs2--t8PTKmK8oR3u-EjCoPkbtkv9h6IISsMqO2GkYQbYxffge4X8lLt0o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1204.11'>20:04</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. Yeah. And so people may be wondering, like, why, why are you guys subtitling this or titling this staying in your lane with Katie Boos ? Well, there's a reason for that and it's becauseKatie, it's something that you said when we first talked to you and it resonated with Michelle and myself, and I'm sure it'll resonate with our audience because it's about finding what you're really, really good at and doubling down on it. So tell us about your lane and how you found it and why you're staying in it, .</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lv4y3FnD8pvi30v02nNUZvc4OrgVQ2SIkT8QEX-a4kvGfZZPfJ839SEqAFFZPeZjDhGWzXgGPCV9q99zdaqyEtBxzl4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1242.95'>20:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so funny because I think as PR practitioners, we are always asked to do so much, right? If you think about the role of a PR person is so broad, which honestly is why I love it. If I had to do the same thing every day, you know, day in and day out, I would not be a happy person. So I love the variety of clients, I love the variety of work. However, if you really want to be a specialist, you know, having that niche is a great way to go. And that's, that's sort of where it was just one of those light bulb moments, maybe, I don't know, 10 or 12 years ago. And it was like, you know, I really love working with events and I love working with event organizers. AndI love coming up with ideas and sessions and getting people on stage and, and it just snowballed from there.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ps01mrm9ftWLT7ROVxLEUSo3g704tWlYn1jVvuxFCVMzqULYseplezcE5Uaxv-cn-ytwzYP2fs5tzRvT1ZE9NjDj3Qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1294.27'>21:34</a>):</p>
<p>It's sort of like one of those things, like if you find something you're good at, it just kind of keeps going, right? Because there's success in that. And that's, sort of where we were withthe thought leadership space. So media relations I have always liked, but I haven't loved. And so that's where I was like, you know what, there are people who love that and that's why we love to partner with people who love to do that, you know? And it's also why, you know, flip side, it's really interesting. We were brought in by a pretty major PR agency to do their speaking program for their clients. And they were like, yes, we can do this, but we love having people who live and breathe it day in and day out. And so it's just that wonderful sort of marriage of let's all focus on the things that we love, we're good at, we're specialists. And I do think that's a trend in PR right? People are are like, and, and business in general. People are nicheing down. And I think that's, it's interesting. And, and I think we can all be more successful doing that. So I'll stay in my lane. I won't get into media relations, but , I'm happy to partner with people who love that .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J5g9jw4ThEM-MSLuAqJ9VedVo7TQGPPr_SdbUMg-uAGbFL2bD7xvsciGZOWnfpKGBF6ARKX1kRT9xo6MNwSL4PZT8_c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1371.9'>22:51</a>):</p>
<p>And, and I think that's how so many of our solos find success, right? We partner with each other, we're always looking to collaborate and it just helps everyone.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/y4bHLtn_TKm0VURqt2GkLlwRE4l2crqJOivDtsZE0-e7HGT8ylFNCBRjriSkDghaIVjm6uMGc_Vi0_qOM-V6jpe-MNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1382.14'>23:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D9d2tAiK38np_xqkKHzTHkI30xxYfdWBPkzxipU6E8uKgvafCho3CB8tvpJaJSsyFB6_JX6vfxKB5z0OTkOVO5tJu74?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1382.89'>23:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it does for sure.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CBqP_XylKeWZOBkJR0mxaAjGS_kwrvEIfGQNqoZJWOPBzAI41xZOI5LUD-aTm3OXDJUn6si5mWeQGBkjPppUiKly7ek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1384.43'>23:04</a>):</p>
<p>A collaboration's the best.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HB_TBdMNz7NUdSrpA2psJVs0KLD_Gk3rUEg8qQlmTvsnql5otlTD-vG7QIXQM10zn5ofDzXOgOn4b-LLf6PadOJG5Fs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1386.13'>23:06</a>):</p>
<p>This is so good. Katie and I, you know, as I said to you at the top of this, I am sure that we are going to have you on again, have you in front of our audience because you are an expert and you know, I may just have you on the channel to talk about your volunteer work at one point because its so interesting. And we have, you know, I am an animal lover and we have so many animal lovers in our group that would love to hear about what you do there too. Thank you so much for hanging out with Michelle and I today. We</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wCUWRXxH46F6AL9JqYNs7FAyZJ9E1ZKP23FEo6PNVdSr1zxa9D1JsQKCAnrpE5kZSG0TL4BiVR7w-QWpl_wd_RnaUQg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1421.77'>23:41</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Yeah. What's the best way to reach you, Katie? Website or LinkedIn or</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3yf0ZG1uy54WdmEX-0iNxqAxmyU3jhM8Rz8u9yj06_ShZz9HrjtU4OvWSB_FdhQURRL6ABDvtE6arANbiMjj0O-tKp8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1430.06'>23:50</a>):</p>
<p>Linkedin is great or feel free to email me too, katie at Remix communications.com. Excellent. Either way or our website Remix Communications.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gz456q0Qdm1_7sNhm7XQbhJeZ16hiE0XMiTpCgCN2Q8z2uRCAW_O9YeJRncUXzuE7IA2H5Uv6yJ3I_pTBsdN8WeplBk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1440.56'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. Well, everyone who's listening today, we, well, we don't hope we know you've got something out of this today, but we're grateful for your time with us. And until next time, thanks for listening on That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/t49wd_EFxenqLAdS2m28kStAwvKkmfqvICs0x6fY9j-I5Xvjbt46iDqP52UdqBl58taYC2NLI4CpP2ji1rYPjvTm3hI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.58'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. And we're so excited today because we have a guest. We love guest days. Today we have Katie Bus. Katie is the CEO and Founder of Remix Communications. She founded Remix Communications because she's passionate about creating impactful thought leadership programs for her clients. That includes brainstorming compelling topics and narratives. Katie helps bring ideas to life on stage, at top, industry events, and in written content for clients such as Adobe Meta Stitch Fix, not too shabby, and several successful startups and growth companies. Before Remix, Katie co-founded a successful Silicon Valley marketing and PR firm earlier. She managed PR programs at Apple for media and entertainment, mobile products and QuickTime. Katie lives in Los Angeles, and she was selected for the advisory committee of South by Southwest. Served as a TEDx speaker, curator and coach volunteers. When do you have time to volunteer at all? Seated in a barn horse rescue, which is awesome, and has been a board member for the Peninsula Humane Society and the Working Wonders Children's Museum. And with all of that, we are so grateful to welcome you today to That Solo Life. Katie? Yes.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/DH5P9iIBluW6vR3z-Q-VWQCfuQvMpw10OvBC7fxyw_C8055hNpA_78EYK6igZGTbCgR0NKPyPjD1ptbGuWQnijSNsSQ?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=89.64'>01:29</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, thank you ladies. . I'm so excited to be here.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9mAK_CUe46q47JZJen1suJ_fdUqPBZsl_9OCXq5ncRFBd3vpXUqZL3xlqClYUM2rEst2yBTtTuzAYWVk3LtALICeB6s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=94.5'>01:34</a>):</p>
<p>This is incredible. Yes. So we'll start off, I mean, just tell us a little bit about your client work and, and really where you specialize, because the title of this episode is Stay in Your Lane. And, and we mean that in the most positive of ways because that's the way you can be most impactful. Right?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/9Z_fOmuhCjYP3iT2tq4llZDocbUKh01issdHhgPABUs8mpAktCAdf125zlgu5fcEtQDpWTx--bAniHXVGXvvJLU-Njg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=112.59'>01:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I love that. I love Stay in Your Lane. I have this sort of traditional PR background as you mentioned, Michelle, in your nice intro. And, you know, after years and years of doing PR programs, traditional media relations, that sort of thing, I really found this love for thought leadership and speaking programs and really helping executives get out there and get their messages out there. Sowhen I had the chance to spin off from my last agency and specialize, I really wanted that focus of thought leadership. And so that's been the focus for Remix Communications. We are definitely niche. There's not a lot of us out there who do exactly what we do, but it's worked out really well. I, I think it's something that, you know, it gives us that real specialty. People know what we do and they can come to us foryou know, for those services.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/qPRG2Ow6qeVb10rNYcUGseLUGli80xAwy7Iabgh6pqRKOlzV0hyENvuIT17aZIKMUZuJuGtvkOkVZxriuP_-w5BgfCc?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=175.86'>02:55</a>):</p>
<p>Definitely. Definitely. And you know, we're, we're still in post pandemic world, right? Even though Covid is still around. But I know a lot of us in our event planning, we've had challenges of attendance and things like that. What, are the some of the biggest trends you are seeing happening with events and conferences these days?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/VT2tJkd0nsVHnmduKBHnmO1sedChJMSi9NBLjKYYWq1B-0RTiftV2fk5qcvJt52Zi72MHJ8oe6VwW2apTaqkTyRjAWg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=195.55'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's, it's changing, right? Kind of as you said, we, you know, everything was gang busters 2019, 2020. The brakes went on big time and clients were trying to figure out what should we do. Virtual events obviously became a huge deal. I will say a lot of us sort of got tired of them. We don't all want to sit in our chair watching events. So when things sort of started to come back slowly, 2021, 2022, we started to see this nice uptick. I'm coming off a month of being at a couple different eventsin person. And I will tell you, I think a huge thing right now is that people are so excited to be around each other. There's just such energy and enthusiasm, the connections that you make in person, there's nothing like it. You know, it's sort of like you need to be there.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kPo-ojQ6ggrlEbBYObbFo1gskfWgdC87OBEyhVWz6ZEUapLRRsIacqUaoKDXWY3G-4ogfD85BQeIzFB0Er-ZQg9I9G4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=255.43'>04:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, you can get some of the content online. Definitely that's great if you can't travel, you knowabroad, for example, for Web Summit or whatever. But being there in person, it's those chance meetups if you're waiting for coffee or, you know, one of the writers that we work with regularly sat next to me at an event in Seattle, and we happened to be the two people who, who weren't on our phones at that moment. And we struck up a conversation and I realized, this one's a really talented writer, and now we've worked together. I think it's going on six years. So it's that kind of thing where it's just you know, that networking. So I would say in-person events, definitely that's a huge trend. People wanna be there. I will also say, and maybe this is a result of us being locked down and being on Zoom so much, but sessions are shorter.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/oRWv2wxe0WUzqKjXmIpri-BOPtjC3oxeHGYh8WmeZD9yLGQTtmGT0RGfhu276lb792R1mg3P8Owvr1HWxBybKbKLoM0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=311.56'>05:11</a>):</p>
<p>Typically. They need to be livelier. They need to have, do not show up with a bunch of PowerPoint bullets and think outside the box as far as like the presentation. And by shorter, by the way, you might still have an hour slot, but it could be 30 minutes of your session, 30 minutes of a Q&A. And that's something I'm really seeing, you know, just getting back from, you know, a pretty major event where people are just lined up with questions. They want to talk to the speaker. So it's great to deliver information, but it's really great to interact with the audience as well. That was and</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CYLoTQRYfatCRoGkDIInxRl0WUIetB9f85oskMDNUrqGA-2CnoYVShSw7zyCgJgPCaNbByAzwGVYZXu7Hcrwr5_5_QI?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=349.93'>05:49</a>):</p>
<p>You just answered a question that I had of what are the expectations now? Cause you talk about this excitement of events and you just answered that Yeah. And as you described that, you know, the change, the shift in kind of what the audience is expecting from the content. Are you finding that organizers are looking for something different or very specific now that we're in this era of having been exposed to virtual events and, and the, and those still being, you know, an option mm-hmm. , is there something specific that they look for now that they didn't prior to the pandemic?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_G-60L6C7vt9_DrnmpV5DQDhwsq2i_vF6G-qYUCvSywJPBrtBG_L-eQASGkS8KEzgqr3JmUQhVW70n95DpGmL2zVWps?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=389.45'>06:29</a>):</p>
<p>It's a good question. I think this would be true before the pandemic, but maybe more so just that, that content needs to be super engaging. You know, more use of video. Again, more Q&A, more just visual presentations than anything. I'll also say, if you can have a provocative topic andfocus for your session, all the better. Can you be a little bitoff what everyone else is saying, you know like if it, this is imaginary, but like, if somebody stood up right now and said, chat GPT is not useful, you know, we're, we're all seeing it's pretty useful in, in some regards. So would that be interesting enough? Yeah. I mean, maybe that's something people want to listen to, so it's kind of taking that opposing view. And then I would also say, you know, bringing in partners, that's something we do a ton of. We will partner our client with other companies who maybe aren't our client, but we think they've got a good message to make this amazing session and delivered on a silver platter to the organizer. So really, you know, thinking about what would be most engaging for the audience. And again, all of those things were true before the pandemic, but now I think it's even more true. Shorter attention spans. We want good content.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ZPRY_cblB8LleXFE0qszJKrbqVwXQTQuEIyJYxHm6CC_OP3S9tEnqZ8epbddLdzhBYme6LVRBKLmvgkmVawIpF5z9K8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=481.52'>08:01</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think too, people are more selective with how they spend their time. Some intentionally, some I think without really realizing it, because our rhythms have changed, our, our priorities have changed. A lot of us are, you know, now that things are back up and running, it's everyone's busieryou know, in in a way that it's not just busy work, but they're, they're busy, they're working in their businesses and they really mm-hmm. , it has to be something special to take that time away. But I, I also love that you brought up the serendipity of those chance meetings. I, you know, it's, it's funny, even in my day-to-day, so often, some of the best conversations and the best Intel happens in the parking lot conversations, .</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/vhfBoGPei4hbe_6r3lK5yDiz3MAO7TxU9TFiWo0ZkShoowrwzEJ2cpRSP5eP-usmizguJ2HXOuf7UEG466hdd6ijY54?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=525.38'>08:45</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my gosh, yes. It's so true. It's so true. I just, you know, I was just, I had a client speaking at South by Southwest, and after the session I went up and was talking to two of the audience members. Guess what, they're both new business prospects right now. I mean, that was not my intent. It was . It was just, Hey, what did you think of the workshop? What did you think of this session? And obviously they're there and I can say, oh, and by the way, I, I placed this, I, you know, yeah, I did this workshop . So it was sort of like the best proof in the pudding right there. So it was great. Oh,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/zqvCIV2THbe9rG2CNvHl1fPxJRQUm4PRVGz_PiOa5_0yhqv7QeIiUZsMRCbGvjOIpvvHp9EOtlQSy22EdkZ44VhhU1I?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=562.68'>09:22</a>):</p>
<p>That's incredible. I love it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0JO-TXVjNnbybk1K8F4pHFU0yxqYzAopEZHmnAYON7cy9YP9W38cQk1JC9ZIxu_093ZXm-zE1l_T2-zNKXbu5w1p1Wg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=565.5'>09:25</a>):</p>
<p>Tell us, you know, you, you are, you really function in the executive thought leadership lane and you love it there, you live there. Tell us about some of the best practices that our audience can adapt to get their speakers booked for engagements.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/WS7uzxuzMnGQcxeVi6uKnMegYMTkh5y8Jvd4ClK4ylmqerXIUvRfY235b0HOu2zozlJjK00qEW1FC2F7F53j5UF6o3Y?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=589.14'>09:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I think the number one thing is understand that event that you are targeting intimately. Go to the website, look at past agendas, who spoke there before. Are you proposing a product manager and they only have C level speakers, you know, don't do that. So , I think that's, that's number one. And that's, you know, as all of us, you know, under the umbrella of PR practitioners, that's what we should be doing anyway, right? If you're pitching the New York Times, you want to know that you're going to the right reporter and you have something that they would be interested in, something they maybe have covered or covered around that area. It's no different with speaking. You need to have something that's valuable to the conference organizer. I think a mistake that a lot of people makeand maybe all of us when we first started in our careers, is we go online and we fill out the apply to speak form. And, you know, that's not to say, you know, we still do that. Absolutely. But if you're just kind of plugging in information without really tailoring it, without really understanding the event, that's a miss. And you will, nine times out of 10 not get chosen. You may luck out and, and get to a smaller event. But I think that's number one is really understanding the event, the topics, level of speakersthat sort of thing. So I, I think that's probably the, the first place to start.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/_PrG4C0HnLFKG1CbPf9c_uXsbbAYqIcr4tDsSFa11aL7BLqqTE-WAPYnE5j1dWUtkhLOAXF4WHx3XcdZ4Ko19WvrxW8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=690.54'>11:30</a>):</p>
<p>Excellent. And then on the other side of it, how do you best prepare your clients for these engagements?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/mIX7ssgUq_1fNWJzjD7monPJ4oyA9944sWXPsadW42gBKrTSs6G72SqjdMOYmtkukZH6KREcDJxGe6v1mYwdx8lk82s?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=698.28'>11:38</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, we like to load them up with, here's the event, here's everything you need to know. We give them, you know, even here's where you check in. For some major events, we'll let them know about, other complimentary sessions they might want to attend. We get them, you know, Hey, you gotta get your hotel cause it's gonna sell out, you know, in this area. So it's really all of those logistical details that kind of gets into the tactics, but making sure they're all teed up. It hands on making sure that they have a chance to do kind of a tech run through. And that can be, honestly, that can be 15 minutes before the session. Sometimes you can't get in the room until then, but just making sure that they have a backup. Do they have their laptop? Do they have a thumb drive?</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/YwX9mp0PBuLRT2yauZjgUEtVm0MplIf6EUgSDtvuxTH-53hDARDhTmXWrK-ulc0a9Ne_MDWjNOxntgtlutNaLzVCBWU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=751.87'>12:31</a>):</p>
<p>Do they have the presentation with a conference organizer? All of that. And then, you know, sort of backing up a step at a higher level, some of our clients want speaker training and we do offer that. That's something that can be as simple as, Hey, I just want to run this by someone and do a brush up for an hour. Great, we can do that. It could be we want to practice on stage, we want to plan the blocking. I want to know that when I make this point, I'm at this point in the stage and what hand gesture should I use when that sort of thing. So it could really vary, but I do, I think speaker training can be super valuable to people. And then, you know, just beyond that, making sure that people understand the event they're going to. Andyou know, again, what's the focus? Who will be in the audience that's super important. What's the demographics of this event? And speak to them, make sure it's you know, if it's an audience of students, don't talk about, oh, you're a, y mid-career change, you know, midlife career change, you, you would be missing the mark. So just understanding that I think is important. Making sure speakers understand that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HoIgeTrV9rc8GkZ7y5w12G7U3FwHebh-EdDJG4j7wEG9xbHwn4aJuDGgHatm0ZqQz7PKEQ5UDSnEBv4bc4VF3qkIGD8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=832.78'>13:52</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. Yeah, that's great advice too in about the speaker training because I think so many people can benefit from that. Even if you speak and you're a great speaker, it never, that coaching and then blocking is really useful, particularly if it's, you know, a keynote or, you know, if it's going to be like a workshop in a room, you're probably okay with not doing the blocking because the room is not going to vary that much from what you might be accustomed to. But I I love that. That's great advice. A lot of our solos may be working withexecutives that are fantastic speakers. They're engaging, they've got a great topic, they have all of the things that would make them wow an audience, but they don't have a book. They don't work for a company that maybe everybody knows. How do we get those speakers booked?</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/0HXBH857tn0xfVepdP5P3l4mrO-9nkRckuQ23SQzd29wSDcpCa59rU0-TbvQ99dr6Aidd62M7PyOYAUD29oGtUPJGkk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=888.97'>14:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it comes down to really being scrappy and we're no different. You know, I will be the first to say, if I go to an event and say, have I have a VP at Adobe who wants to get on stage, what do you think? That's a lot easier than, you know, I have this startup over here in this sort of niche area. And it's much harder. That's when wefor example, right now we're pairing a CEO of a growth company. We're trying to get him at a very, very top event. It's probably the number one event for his space. We're pairing him with a woman who is an expert in this field, and she's nationally known and she's willing to do it. So we went out, we, spoke with her and of course the event's like, Ooh, hey, wow, yeah, we'd love to have her.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/sdIkb7I5Pp8ae1VTece3nTw2_b4CcL2HxVFkYDrVuxSS36MQ6cAadLuH_sbywN4r72_MtuKWhyic5VAxakDorWSemW0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=946.31'>15:46</a>):</p>
<p>And I'm like, and it's a package deal. , you know, it's, it's a twofer here, but you know, you just, you just kinda have to get scrappy and Yeah. You know, and put people together. And that's, and that's where, you know, again, like looking at other companies that might be complimentary, maybe you put together a killer panel you know and also, you know, I think sometimes people get too narrowly focused on my company is, you know, an AI, whatever, right? And they're like, we, our topic needs to be AI. What if your topic is, you are the first unicorn in this space. How did you get your funding? How did you grow? How did you make a career change? Why did you start this business? You know, there's so many ways to get in there. And that's what we love to do is like when we first get a client, we will meet with them.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/kJcAp6QC_7AJiwdGIJ8pfTStCsIre80EVmcG4GctkTKJPi-MMxyMdo_mF91TIw6FL3zTS7zE6sha7TjB4JKDOc2h6MY?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1002.8'>16:42</a>):</p>
<p>We have what we call story mining sessions. So we're talking with them, we're like trying to get out what's the really interesting angle here? It's great you have this like AI product, that's awesome, but what's the other, what are the other things that will make you stand out, make you unique and make you of interest to an event? So I think that's really important. So just, yeah, those things. Who can you partner with? Can you put together a really compelling panel? All of it goes back to, let's tee this up for the conference organizers. Let's put it on a silver platter and go, here you go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/a9gM-Zz4Eitd-11Nok2N98OBNbj9ARX-XbpWneJUQrzdaUoRcKxh_G60w8XmgwsHzr64MktcD0dzLxKXi8yrUE0Ziec?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1037.11'>17:17</a>):</p>
<p>I love that you talked about clients and their tunnel vision. I'm sure that got a, a nod of agreement from everyone in our audience because my goodness, sometimes it's so hard to get them outside of their head and, and enable them to see the bigger picture, which is why they have us, right? Because we're creative and we're thinking more broadly. So thank you for reassuring all of us that we're not the only one  that, you know, deals with this issue. It is universal in our field of getting clients to see the color that we see instead of just seeing in black and white. And I feel like I have these conversations daily sometimes from the mundane to the extremely frustrating</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/V-cT-fwspiinXtgGxIEnY1iWiG_ioYjkNkCz6DbwLW7ppEOjEECpvqjUcYW-wgeFqW36jbvItmi3G1U53bZ1FizBN_w?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1086'>18:06</a>):</p>
<p>,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/gkoPjMavcVGrsPXVaMK45pgIQTw97l8s2XrPoWL75q5wSPLMoyr9JXFLqhWDZST-BCKaWwLLj7KyNmQP1spmGdx4Z-M?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1087.32'>18:07</a>):</p>
<p>Which describes my morning</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/asniq6W3-LXWel_FnzrupRgcsW4eGgDTQ6k_sn-5JIW2637rv5Iyv60AQu-0HqGAa8K_pruCBw16agddilXfIHGTml0?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1089.8'>18:09</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, no,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OQK4KRv288f527F54dcgUDDJwT7nDfTSIKeYc3qaK4or9yKWy_6M1QRj0igHBSim6jt7Q18aLmLd3zSTiQ3oLhfokpw?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1092.21'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>No, but it's, it's so true. It's in those story mining moments, right? The things that they think are boring and you think, whoa, wait. Yeah, that's a possibility. So true. What I do it all the time every day. Well, yes, exactly. .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/7SQRQeI2YnKYMaFV9xhuMeTHL12CNb0NHMadWA9EJ7I8FSJ9vjKdOCPrLi2N6Yp3_s-BNJDu4xpHQlinJCLXYay6PTU?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1106.94'>18:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Hx-lQ5gaF0eAk3BYlZarbTfU6juDPTmbNzjkxCIk3fQicPLC5k9_jPwDsfI8BzuX8Wm2_FPR4ZZvNzYysq-ItBOSvR8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1107.27'>18:27</a>):</p>
<p>It's funny, you know, one of our clientswho I won't name, but we, when we first started working with them, the feedback we were getting from conference organizers was, okay, they spoke last year or two years ago, five years ago, and all they did was get on stage and do a sales pitch. And I was like, I can assure you that will not happen. That is not what we're doing. And as a matter of fact, my guidance to clients is, I would say you get one mention, so you can be like, oh, you know, and in, in this case, this is how we would at, our company handle this issue. You get one mention, and then really, I feel like the value is your name, your affiliation, you're being splashed all over their promotions, you know? And it's that credibility that you get beyond that.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/AXQmfMTsdxFXjMF5hkPaSMoXmt4xtS1B3J4tAQep9ev26o-xi1Ea4GW5OX6u9PH-tFs2lcWN-IhjQL1cZrIH-ovxZ7k?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1157.82'>19:17</a>):</p>
<p>And this is why we love content too. Take advantage of the fact that you are speaking at these events. Do a blog post about it, do social posts about it, you know, just milk it for all it's worth because, you know, it's great if you have those people in the room, but sometimes, sometimes it's 50 people, you know, and is it worth it for you to travel, do this presentation, prep, all of the work that goes into it to reach 50 people? Maybe if they're your absolute targets, but how can you go beyond that? And that's what we're always looking at. We want to reach 5,000 people. And so that's where content comes in, the complimentary side of things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/NxXboeESSt3qwTEOoUvLcS8oWP7VofINfUs2--t8PTKmK8oR3u-EjCoPkbtkv9h6IISsMqO2GkYQbYxffge4X8lLt0o?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1204.11'>20:04</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. Yeah. And so people may be wondering, like, why, why are you guys subtitling this or titling this staying in your lane with Katie Boos ? Well, there's a reason for that and it's becauseKatie, it's something that you said when we first talked to you and it resonated with Michelle and myself, and I'm sure it'll resonate with our audience because it's about finding what you're really, really good at and doubling down on it. So tell us about your lane and how you found it and why you're staying in it, .</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/lv4y3FnD8pvi30v02nNUZvc4OrgVQ2SIkT8QEX-a4kvGfZZPfJ839SEqAFFZPeZjDhGWzXgGPCV9q99zdaqyEtBxzl4?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1242.95'>20:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's so funny because I think as PR practitioners, we are always asked to do so much, right? If you think about the role of a PR person is so broad, which honestly is why I love it. If I had to do the same thing every day, you know, day in and day out, I would not be a happy person. So I love the variety of clients, I love the variety of work. However, if you really want to be a specialist, you know, having that niche is a great way to go. And that's, that's sort of where it was just one of those light bulb moments, maybe, I don't know, 10 or 12 years ago. And it was like, you know, I really love working with events and I love working with event organizers. AndI love coming up with ideas and sessions and getting people on stage and, and it just snowballed from there.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/ps01mrm9ftWLT7ROVxLEUSo3g704tWlYn1jVvuxFCVMzqULYseplezcE5Uaxv-cn-ytwzYP2fs5tzRvT1ZE9NjDj3Qo?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1294.27'>21:34</a>):</p>
<p>It's sort of like one of those things, like if you find something you're good at, it just kind of keeps going, right? Because there's success in that. And that's, sort of where we were withthe thought leadership space. So media relations I have always liked, but I haven't loved. And so that's where I was like, you know what, there are people who love that and that's why we love to partner with people who love to do that, you know? And it's also why, you know, flip side, it's really interesting. We were brought in by a pretty major PR agency to do their speaking program for their clients. And they were like, yes, we can do this, but we love having people who live and breathe it day in and day out. And so it's just that wonderful sort of marriage of let's all focus on the things that we love, we're good at, we're specialists. And I do think that's a trend in PR right? People are are like, and, and business in general. People are nicheing down. And I think that's, it's interesting. And, and I think we can all be more successful doing that. So I'll stay in my lane. I won't get into media relations, but , I'm happy to partner with people who love that .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/J5g9jw4ThEM-MSLuAqJ9VedVo7TQGPPr_SdbUMg-uAGbFL2bD7xvsciGZOWnfpKGBF6ARKX1kRT9xo6MNwSL4PZT8_c?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1371.9'>22:51</a>):</p>
<p>And, and I think that's how so many of our solos find success, right? We partner with each other, we're always looking to collaborate and it just helps everyone.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/y4bHLtn_TKm0VURqt2GkLlwRE4l2crqJOivDtsZE0-e7HGT8ylFNCBRjriSkDghaIVjm6uMGc_Vi0_qOM-V6jpe-MNA?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1382.14'>23:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/D9d2tAiK38np_xqkKHzTHkI30xxYfdWBPkzxipU6E8uKgvafCho3CB8tvpJaJSsyFB6_JX6vfxKB5z0OTkOVO5tJu74?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1382.89'>23:02</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it does for sure.</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/CBqP_XylKeWZOBkJR0mxaAjGS_kwrvEIfGQNqoZJWOPBzAI41xZOI5LUD-aTm3OXDJUn6si5mWeQGBkjPppUiKly7ek?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1384.43'>23:04</a>):</p>
<p>A collaboration's the best.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/HB_TBdMNz7NUdSrpA2psJVs0KLD_Gk3rUEg8qQlmTvsnql5otlTD-vG7QIXQM10zn5ofDzXOgOn4b-LLf6PadOJG5Fs?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1386.13'>23:06</a>):</p>
<p>This is so good. Katie and I, you know, as I said to you at the top of this, I am sure that we are going to have you on again, have you in front of our audience because you are an expert and you know, I may just have you on the channel to talk about your volunteer work at one point because its so interesting. And we have, you know, I am an animal lover and we have so many animal lovers in our group that would love to hear about what you do there too. Thank you so much for hanging out with Michelle and I today. We</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/wCUWRXxH46F6AL9JqYNs7FAyZJ9E1ZKP23FEo6PNVdSr1zxa9D1JsQKCAnrpE5kZSG0TL4BiVR7w-QWpl_wd_RnaUQg?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1421.77'>23:41</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Yeah. What's the best way to reach you, Katie? Website or LinkedIn or</p>
<p>Katy Boos (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/3yf0ZG1uy54WdmEX-0iNxqAxmyU3jhM8Rz8u9yj06_ShZz9HrjtU4OvWSB_FdhQURRL6ABDvtE6arANbiMjj0O-tKp8?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1430.06'>23:50</a>):</p>
<p>Linkedin is great or feel free to email me too, katie at Remix communications.com. Excellent. Either way or our website Remix Communications.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/Gz456q0Qdm1_7sNhm7XQbhJeZ16hiE0XMiTpCgCN2Q8z2uRCAW_O9YeJRncUXzuE7IA2H5Uv6yJ3I_pTBsdN8WeplBk?loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1440.56'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>Fantastic. Well, everyone who's listening today, we, well, we don't hope we know you've got something out of this today, but we're grateful for your time with us. And until next time, thanks for listening on That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. And we're so excited today because we have a guest. We love guest days. Today we have Katie Bus. Katie is the CEO and Founder of Remix Communications. She founded Remix Communications because she's passionate about creating impactful thought leadership programs for her clients. That includes brainstorming compelling topics and narratives. Katie helps bring ideas to life on stage, at top, industry events, and in written content for clients such as Adobe Meta Stitch Fix, not too shabby, and several successful startups and growth companies. Before Remix, Katie co-founded a successful Silicon Valley marketing and PR firm earlier. She managed PR programs at Apple for media and entertainment, mobile products and QuickTime. Katie lives in Los Angeles, and she was selected for the advisory committee of South by Southwest. Served as a TEDx speaker, curator and coach volunteers. When do you have time to volunteer at all? Seated in a barn horse rescue, which is awesome, and has been a board member for the Peninsula Humane Society and the Working Wonders Children's Museum. And with all of that, we are so grateful to welcome you today to That Solo Life. Katie? Yes.
Katy Boos (01:29):
Oh, thank you ladies. . I'm so excited to be here.
Michelle Kane (01:34):
This is incredible. Yes. So we'll start off, I mean, just tell us a little bit about your client work and, and really where you specialize, because the title of this episode is Stay in Your Lane. And, and we mean that in the most positive of ways because that's the way you can be most impactful. Right?
Katy Boos (01:52):
Yeah, I love that. I love Stay in Your Lane. I have this sort of traditional PR background as you mentioned, Michelle, in your nice intro. And, you know, after years and years of doing PR programs, traditional media relations, that sort of thing, I really found this love for thought leadership and speaking programs and really helping executives get out there and get their messages out there. Sowhen I had the chance to spin off from my last agency and specialize, I really wanted that focus of thought leadership. And so that's been the focus for Remix Communications. We are definitely niche. There's not a lot of us out there who do exactly what we do, but it's worked out really well. I, I think it's something that, you know, it gives us that real specialty. People know what we do and they can come to us foryou know, for those services.
Michelle Kane (02:55):
Definitely. Definitely. And you know, we're, we're still in post pandemic world, right? Even though Covid is still around. But I know a lot of us in our event planning, we've had challenges of attendance and things like that. What, are the some of the biggest trends you are seeing happening with events and conferences these days?
Katy Boos (03:15):
You know, it's, it's changing, right? Kind of as you said, we, you know, everything was gang busters 2019, 2020. The brakes went on big time and clients were trying to figure out what should we do. Virtual events obviously became a huge deal. I will say a lot of us sort of got tired of them. We don't all want to sit in our chair watching events. So when things sort of started to come back slowly, 2021, 2022, we started to see this nice uptick. I'm coming off a mon]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>It’s Time to Pollinate Your Pipeline to Get Business Blooming</title>
        <itunes:title>It’s Time to Pollinate Your Pipeline to Get Business Blooming</itunes:title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Spring is in full bloom, thanks to the pollination by bees, butterflies, and birds. It’s a reminder that as solos we need to be in pollination mode all year long. Listen to today’s episode for tips and inspiration to grow your business development.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=K9XZ8n8u7WDwEZ2WdEOCJQeMMJv3UCQQLB3shgHWRqWQ_udJ3OaWxKghFZ18w0UJGT4C6uespHVSh6BCFbKfiKu7G7k&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.37'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ShJZk1lqzdPa42mxiVHMM79edAp16t2kBEJkXNMXQOS48TpIEqUf6jxRyNVlX81C_XvUYRpEqASeU6yXMe9s4Bo5Xiw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.79'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm, I'm doing a lot better than you. I know that you are an allergy sufferer and spring comes with the reality of allergy season. So,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ar-kV68wHlYwKC_p4v_ZynbvtQNZ1Sz4fTL34daBCRGA6RFf5kBRB5uxj99-3Z71Naxn9xQ34HHgaQ1XE6IPpYvEolU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=28.92'>00:28</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. It's been a, an agonizingly beautiful season here in southeastern Pennsylvania. So that actually informed our topic today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=68EGhtFsVZQN87ZLyW7QxgOlKY14VvSlnz5Ubqn5GukcvKjjpIbd96_kJiDu3lp8YOw_UwwTSlsIYSrknJ9jTfmllv0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=39.84'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>It did.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KVxuRi0f-qX-3q4lV2oDcgyDXbUrHL64xUzXbWH7kFDJ2FqgoJqh3JZIKkkGQEvE2hh7yUJOyYCtzHjFuiWoYGQGOYA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=40.77'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>We're going to talk about how to pollinate your leads. Let's use pollen. Well, we know pollen does good, even though it does get all up in our sinus cavity. So apologies for how I sound today. I sounded worse three days ago, so there's that. But yeah, we're just going to keep it a little light today and just kind of give you, give you a pep talk of how to keep that business pipeline fluid, which we all need to do, no matter how things are out there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dPqBOiWNxg-QTdLJuzaKKJRe5hAGpYI0RSAKJJtigVSBzU8Z1avoAtzjjjQcU58P28hdwcz-VxDX0_PUoXNPkwMyjW4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=66.55'>01:06</a>):</p>
<p>And, and also it's a spring thing. It, it actually was a topic that was kind of rolling around in my head. ‘Cause I get to talk to so many small business people and so many solo PR pros and I have noticed this trend. And so as always, we want to help you to have the business that you want. And again, you know, I, I always preface that because I, when I first started my business, there were a lot of people out there that were, you know posting pictures on Twitter. We didn't have , I'm embarrassed to say this, but we didn't have Instagram yet, let alone TikTok . And yes, I'm that old, but people would post up pictures of like, these fancy cars and mansions and it just didn't speak to me. Yeah. And it, it was their measure of success.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zj79Jp1v7nUjYIZH1xd9xe6s80uIgjXhYhlogqhjY-9a0nvqrvLrJ1EKsbkXAhkNyGehhn5XnHsMrVg-o5RS6gI7xvU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=120.42'>02:00</a>):</p>
<p>And that's fine if that's your measure of success, but it wasn't for me. I wanted something different. I was looking, I was going into business for myself for completely different reasons. And so I always like to preface that because whatever your why is, and, and however big or small you want your business to be for everybody, there's a way to do that and, and have a healthy business. And that's kind of what we're aiming for, for people not to struggle. This year we've seen a lot of economic tumult. We've seen a lot of companies doing layoffs. There's a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt. The famous fud, and I'm , I'm watching a lot of our small business and solo PRs fall into discouragement. Right. And so we want to talk about, and, and the reason pollinate is such a, a good theme is because here's what some people do, and people that are in traditional jobs do this too.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=L4XlDHPGxnYIkMA4OwYmSJtal3RcWV_6jFoP1GrYFVh8JuKc_fqmgzYfIGopyHWy6OFZyCUYtOOZYeC8A6m_pBnLif0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.1'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>You, you're, you're working, working, working, head down, and then you lose an account. Or if you're in traditional employment, you lose a job, then all of a sudden you're on LinkedIn like a crazy person, you know, running after job leads or you're running after leads for your business. Pollinating is something that happens before the blooms come; pollinating is critical. And so we want to talk about the things that you really should be doing before the season starts where you will need the business. And so this is why we always talk about business development being an ongoing activity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=uQ-hsorZTjRVeEUSu7BcECTXSY9SjB7l2uinnUEQJMyrTL1YQfcJvd7mgWz4bkktaFZs4ang81zTiKreA7e-mX5EJVE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=220.99'>03:40</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And I think a key way to do that, and I challenge myself to do this as much as anyone else, you know, speaking of LinkedIn, pop in every day, you know, offer, offer just a little nugget of advice. You know, seek to be a helper because then when people are looking for help, they're going to think of you. And if you want to expand that into some content marketing for your business, by all means, please do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=T2yM-EwkGxg90GmpihLuhCVg20UIggILFSZNOiPDOsOvOfJhMyd2DRvyrxEczcqnVDZPl8BRCsTWWnJEvnskK7paXT4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=247.51'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, there are these habit builders out there. There's yeah. Dig. There's, there's a lot of habit builders. Build a habit of being the face of your business every day. I, I mean, I find that, you know, these consistent habits really do pay off. So for me, I will tell you and, and lean into what you're good at. So for me, I am a relationship person. I genuinely love people. I mean, I genuinely do, even though I'm kind of an introverted extrovert, I care about people and I build these really long-term relationships. And so my superpower is maintaining connections. So I am always, you know, talking to the people that I've worked with. Even when clients go away, I keep in touch. We, you know, we set up like check-ins, like quarterly, monthly, sometimes a little less frequently, but I'm always checking in and not for business, just for relationship building. I stay connected through social media, you know, I'll call somebody or text somebody. I will, you know, I just maintain friendships and I maintain contact with all of my former clients. And so that just continues to pay off. For example, this year I have already gotten three leads from a C E O that I used to work with.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MmWBFwOzqMddiaTY0w7_eg1RJ8hR0d55aVGfSeRUy9TFPzlmuuQd3dxmFNS4D0aK8LUXTowJUB6kEjj6YoTXo8s-X7E&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=337.93'>05:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I love that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=jdKbdA5muKFhRO8xAmkcG4akxeqRRL7YywBWTYsVm8M78gDuRx70fqJvvrpTaa5ooIuQuFwAdNsIEcHC3jhnPFqH7f8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=339.7'>05:39</a>):</p>
<p>This is not the first that he's ever referred business to us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0cHrYOQVYag0-n4IsabGDnhi7R9HkHlFQLYNZHOwOwFU8WP0B4FYFVTKusGhafcMPk7RfuaBmJ0INw6GLLlK2Mg0Pok&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=342.76'>05:42</a>):</p>
<p>Right</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=JGOPqznjLpwb-dMBAEemIt90rUDA6c1qYunzPiIv3GZb7W8UsxJQOFpivDzTxD4Kn2jDBypOE9M7hLqUix0oK-UC4_M&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=343.81'>05:43</a>):</p>
<p>And it's because I maintain those relationships. Yeah. And here's the funny thing about that former client, I've also gotten leads from three other members of his executive team or his former executive team, and the company was purchased by somebody else. But we've maintained those relationships, we've maintained contact, and so they continue to refer business my way. So don't underestimate the power of adding relationship building into your routine activities, if that's your, if that's your superpower too</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=TY1D9y5aJSRXj56LAxbWDMYNjNOY3pAyIKb_dTqEHCrtBrfdjDDo---xA2nBmGkYazS-9BVW3kxT7QLjcIRvZsXWDsE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=375.32'>06:15</a>):</p>
<p>Now. And honestly, that, that is my main why, you know, business is relationship. Yeah. I, it's, it's on my, my website. It's, it's how I present. And it's so true. I mean, I love connecting people that can help each other even if I'm not involved. And I love that you schedule these touch base moments because I also kind of stink at that. Yeah. But I, I too, I love to stay in touch and not, not just because, you know, and it's, it's certainly not for a a, you know, a, ooh, I might get something out of this, but it's just because, hey, you know, we, we did, we went through something together. We built something together that was great. You know, why wouldn't you stay in touch? Because if,y ou're in business, especially in this business, I think it, it is in our ethos to be helpful. And, you know, I think that it's just a natural occurrence that you would want to remain in close contact with these people. And it makes such perfect sense. I love that. I'm gonna take that up. Scheduling things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=J-udq0VhwM5XjCozz5CTq7QBp-sBTNHEvTezse-_DuT_17gNfW-J-lOS27UBfc0UNISfrKVV_dBFe2CiS7zEDGiQr4g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=435.35'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, and you know, so I, I will open up my playbook and tell you some of the things that I do because it's natural to me. During the course of business, I always tell clients that we know that business comes and goes, but relationships are forever. So from</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qSJRtrcfdmncCedJy50cg8UO2JfKqvB3B2rliEbCvkq5rao2PHT8KQK8bO79serMCmybPSl1SeYqUZGU7ppjPvPaPUc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=452.42'>07:32</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b52oHHedUqc3kSLCodjP7xTdDr3SWwbUN-Rg3wEUlH_mR8SYzUO2hDS8dXGO8oRiPUU7c30jfw8FuKXLoCP7V2-bN-g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=453.35'>07:33</a>):</p>
<p>Day one I'm always doing business, but also caring for the human beings. And so I am asking questions, I'm listening, I am responding to things. I'm supporting them in their career goals. I'm supporting them when personal things come up. If somebody is going through a challenge at work, like they're going through this challenging time, I might send flowers or I may send a card just to say, Hey, you okay? I do, you know, mental health check-ins, you know, that are outside of work. So I might text their cell and go, just check in on you today. I know that things are a little rough right now, and it's just about being a human being. And I know that some of us have come up in the era where business is like super professional and it's not very human, but I know that that's not our solos. I know that all of us get pretty close to our clients. So I'm saying, you know, lean into that and, and maybe you're not, you know, going on vacations with them or having dinner with them, but always tend to the humanity of your clients because that is definitely a way to pollinate future business. But even more importantly than that, it makes your work more satisfying when you are genuinely bringing your whole human self to the business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=aYtCa8MOdxTKk-sl3aHk5B7p1_CRX1KyaXUwiibE2DLHty59Qt5DuBPDsWP0nTTIUOPdWJxbIV1F_pXBzmTR9wPRqDw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=531.99'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I agree. Because, you know, we are, we are our client's trusted resources. And, and it is a two-way street. I mean, I love, every year I try to send a little something to my financial client because it's tax season, and I know they never leave their, their desks. I feel so bad, especially since their new location is far removed from their beloved convenience store where they used to coffee up all the time. But it's just, you know, little touch doesn't have to be anything grand. You know, it could just be a little note, you know, if, if one of their family members has accomplished something. It's, it really humanizes the relationship, which I think is key. And you know what, that goes also for pollinating leads. If you see a prospect out there that's achieved something, whether personal or a professional, send a note. I mean, there used to be a chiropractor in my area that used to send me notes as a student, and it was just sunshine notes. And you know, as a kid you think, oh, isn't this neat, this person who is called doctor is thinking of me? And then of course it is, as an adult, you realize what they were really up to. They were trying to generate leads, but it's okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7CBAq5zJpLA-xmgdUPlye-lfqF4Tgiu3ZX4M8GdXAaNKnfKBJqusBLiqvaHRhPinmJxoKr4zWfuk7ziznPwXSx92fck&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=603.82'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, another way to pollinate is to spread your marketing seats. Yeah. I find that we solos are terrible at marketing our businesses. I want to believe that this younger generation is not following the poor example set in the past. Because you are not being selfish. You are not being it's not obnoxious to talk about what you do. Why wouldn't you? And, but here's the thing, and I I just want to remind you, you must stay top of mind with everyone. You have to, because life is busy. People are bombarded with information, and you think that people know what you do, and they will forget that you do it if you're not constantly reminding them. So there's so many ways to do this in ways that might feel comfortable to you. But I don't hate the sales process. I don't hate selling because selling is simply uncovering needs and offering solutions to people who are looking for it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RJk_RYf3ME5JDJBq9oKPPhd7_6fQuaP5gY2IDQouyA_ZAiAHSKafooQFesDceQACTDsX3-HQbnFPixj6TgtINdT6rbg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=669.93'>11:09</a>):</p>
<p>It's not a dirty thing. So talk about what you do. And you could do that, you know, as simple as, you know, commenting on something that's happening in your target audience's industry, posting on LinkedIn and sharing tips out there. You know, you see people sharing tips about, you know, here's how you do this. Now, I will say that I find it more valuable to speak to business and my client's industries than to speak to PR people. Not that I don't love PR people. We do that here on this podcast. So we have a place for that and we have a blog. But when it comes to marketing my business, I'm not really marketing to other PR people. I'm marketing to the clients that will hire me. If your target audience is PR professionals, and obviously, yes, you should absolutely serve content that's going to attract that audience, but just, you know, think about that because sometimes I see PR people sharing things, you know, on press releases and how to do this and how to do that, which is great. But if those aren't the people that are hiring you, you're really not speaking to your audience and their business challenges.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=NJVloGU454NIY1MpwGtpzVItbbhHujGRYLW74oHMQANcA2LG8ag512Tpd1XknwMZz_t4JUM5ThVpobk-4iqG_-9L09s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=747.31'>12:27</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's very true. Yeah. I mean, if, if, if your business model is that you are trying to work with fellow PR people as a coach or something, that's Yeah, that's fine. But yeah, you definitely want to be demonstrating your talents, you know, within the pool of, of those you want to do business with. I think that's absolutely true. I mean, there's definitely room for tool sharpening moments amongst ourselves, but you really want to be active in the circles, you know, where hopefully one day you can generate some business from people.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ROshYnNzDcV22xpjW19rIxIUCmxTN2Egt9V6_lF6RbpxiqmaBc45KLFvZYCXbOcN5CBkOllbMxNMAl3q0J3AoXslN1I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=779.65'>12:59</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, don't be afraid to ask that is so many times you leave stuff on the table because you don't ask for the business, ask if you know somebody, Hey, are you working with anybody at Love to Chat? Yeah. And if we are, of course we, we don't do that in pr. We are respectful if there's an agency in place, whether we know them or not. So we don't want to steal business, but there's a lot of people out there that could use PR support and they don't have somebody. Speaking of PR people too, even if there's an internal PR person, get to know those internal people because I just, there's a statistic that I will look up for you all, but I just went to an event where they were sharing that the companies that are able to 20 times their revenue, when they looked at the characteristics that are common across these companies, one of the things is that they use independent contractors.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b3LWs_GblkzzHAoUda7iPUyMXwI8MDbeIO6UFcW3pTkxIgHOf7CC4qB2tdKI8y8jGIeJ655QCmiHf6TyvRmsJS5cDyg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=840.3'>14:00</a>):</p>
<p>We know that we are a superpower for companies. And so even if a company has an internal team, especially these days, those teams need to be laser focused on very specific types of initiatives. And so having an outside agency brings in a more global perspective. Because if you're inside of an agency, you're focused on the company's messaging, you're, you're, your perspective is a little bit different. You're not working with, you know, 10 other companies. You haven't seeing the inside of other businesses, you've only seen your company and you're focused on that, and you see it from that lens that an outside agency can focus on a different set of outlets. We deal with a wider set of reporters, and so you can even carve out responsibilities. Like I've had engagements where the internal team handle tier one and we handle trades or the internal team handled you know, one facet of media relations. And we did thought leadership for the executive. So you can, you know, slice and dice it, but don't be afraid that Oh, they have an internal team that they won't need outside support.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=t3Ha-XlrdE71lps07YCyjVl1rKwFdasBYLtdKJ0_LM6IJ7xFXEGgxhu7i7ORkTyGmge1P7UyVgyhCxsBy6cyWh0cCFY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=913.4'>15:13</a>):</p>
<p>No, that's totally true. I mean, I, I've had situations where, you know, the internal team handles strategy and I'm, I'm on the team as a copywriter, happy to be there. It's, it's nice not to have to lead. Sometimes ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KUOPGR1SVeFnqmahkGwuhZlfK-9k0HDmYLBKiOnZXCow9-LTJyj4goAhoc6B4aC0F-MNSgh4hR2fJ3-zcyRpzcKddDw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.04'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>It is nice not to have to lead. And sometimes it's nice, like in the times where we've done trades and the internal team has handled tier one, I've been more than happy because it's, I mean, media relations is work, period, but it's like, yeah, good luck with that Wall Street Journal. ,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=NeG0E6avlpyVhHCUFe906pLItSyA8ScLa-3qwD-C72sKl4q-OjR8cHozUqQDkJoIVX_NXwfeL7Bnkn-zAf5G_UsJYrw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=950.21'>15:50</a>):</p>
<p>You take that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=nUM9INbX-Qlk7KwwskKaYt9U2rtIhvkqpd87oV-LBlAfZuOxET5F_-6v768cqXZzvLQPh7eE4GGtbmxvFej9V5cTiFY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=951.2'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, that's</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=F97BAJd9TU9H4Ilk-1EipeGHykxMrGUIry3cfNFRd-dcm-0IZVJw-Ay4fV--_TZSg9-cDUI3-BP4S-rUKX2ItBZl7Z0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=951.8'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dUBqCcsPmZxktmyuJ4F9VkO8z_pBqDFIgieuXU0KNq542Tdd4fIG8y2oeAlZrvFjst6yFgh2dgGGuQNt6OGSaNia6GU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=952.46'>15:52</a>):</p>
<p>Happy to let you have that. You go for it. And our team has killed it. And I mean, and not to say that we haven't supported them on some of the tier one stuff too, but again, you can stay in your lane and you can add value just because of your perspective and then what you bring to the table of having this expertise across often more than one industry, and definitely across companies. So you have, you have different ideas and a a different perspective to bring to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=BgEnyq9LN7xGOjl_knA4GbnRisUVJvwA-oXCiLWl5l0q95hCpnsd54McUQjBAoRsetqE9djQ1nrGDYJjF-l9E-DYSzM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=980.69'>16:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, you know, building new relationships along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RGaN33yCy5jc6aX8iQtPmgDZngT0LNeJ0JaTjiGg7paINL5pYtNMyIzBSZa6gShxm2yBCBDKWSiy2gvqNFv7yqNqFHs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=985.07'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I, you know, here's another way that you can pollinate, you can run webinars And market it to prospects. They're, you know, companies are always going to be grateful to learn something that's going to move their business forward. So take a step back and think about what problems are happening in the industries that I serve, and how can my expertise help these companies? And so with that knowledge, you can sit, sit down and craft things. Now, if you're not like the webinar type of person, that's okay. Maybe you want to do, maybe you want to do in-person workshops. I've known people that have been really successful at that target companies and offer an in-person workshop. I just had a client yesterday have a need for wanting to train on empathetic communications. So, you know, ask and see what the needs are in the communities that you serve, and put something together. You can also do an email course. If you are somebody that rocks your email newsletter, use it to actually serve up content and invite people to subscribe for practical and actionable tips and insights. People will do that. I mean, I know that sometimes we have subscription fatigue, but people still read, they still learn from reading. They still appreciate that. So if that's what you do, use it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fq6OL1EnMYlQFz-1d3IBkUEnKP6UI5P8LrM950OiNjvoVxR5uXjk45kkLQDs91uFRmSLLeEOw6dP8NzEnUSoQLhOV7w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1069.68'>17:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's true. That's true. And even if you also repurpose some of this content into blog posts and content for your website, Google loves that. And then you have the advantage of the serendipity of the Google search results.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xcXC3xa0gdd05V6TyPfe4L1qQ5BvCsZQUB6-DqxNcVV_E624L0U7or54OnuHRSU8cCoPP0Gzo_na7r36qshIPYLgdwc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1083.96'>18:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, if you're a video person, rock a video rock a reel rock, rock a short, I mean, yeah. There are just so many ways to do it. I, I think the key is though, making sure that you are not down so far on accounts that you're in panic mode. Right. Because that's just a terrible place to sell from. And I say that from years of experience of actually being in a sales function. I managed sales teams, and I would tell my team members this because it never, ever, ever, ever failed to be the truth. When they were down, they were not effective. Right. Because your mind is not in a calm place where you are really looking and you're being strategic and you're being creative. You're panicked, you're freaking out about your income.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=M7aheOkQBQGjT6Eug6wFad4exPZm9KMtukhAlkbExWIFPI99LpEImJ050jE7h-jU5mW1LsCauNnC8uGI8rAC2t2S9i0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1134.78'>18:54</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yGxa52PammOLI50-ftuJW-Jm4TtGiUMqcE8DxNmXEwrC424eq-PMVYJDsQ2VnCiNRrk2eIDzu6WmM-YHavyaXUa7yXc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1135.41'>18:55</a>):</p>
<p>And if you know, even if that's you today, I would say do what you have to do to bring in enough income to get you, you know, solid again, where you can start to be more proactive. And so there is no shame in offering services on Upwork if that's what you gotta do. There is no shame in taking a slice of your business. You know, if you are a copywriter, go hire yourself out as a copywriter just to get your income levels back up. And you know, don't forget to tap into your current clients for referrals or more work, because Right. Sometimes clients forget the breadth of services that you offer.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=90dc1wcoE8XPKyvDNQysNLs2aFStb1p4of9JhVt2uGlHRhnIiqm_nSOQ1jLS5ZnewQf7RHLFfBIa_ad-MULmMBZSijg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1181.34'>19:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's true. It's true. So even though it is, it is difficult to calm your mind and the fear in those moments. Yeah. Even if you just do it for an hour, try it and, and, and do it chunk by chunk. And we know that you are talented and we know that you will get there. Well, we thank you for joining us for this little pollination moment. And we do value your time. We value, if you find this meaningful to you, please share it around. We want to get the word out to as many people as possible so everyone can grow the business that they love in a way that they want to work. So thanks again for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spring is in full bloom, thanks to the pollination by bees, butterflies, and birds. It’s a reminder that as solos we need to be in pollination mode all year long. Listen to today’s episode for tips and inspiration to grow your business development.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=K9XZ8n8u7WDwEZ2WdEOCJQeMMJv3UCQQLB3shgHWRqWQ_udJ3OaWxKghFZ18w0UJGT4C6uespHVSh6BCFbKfiKu7G7k&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.37'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ShJZk1lqzdPa42mxiVHMM79edAp16t2kBEJkXNMXQOS48TpIEqUf6jxRyNVlX81C_XvUYRpEqASeU6yXMe9s4Bo5Xiw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.79'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm, I'm doing a lot better than you. I know that you are an allergy sufferer and spring comes with the reality of allergy season. So,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ar-kV68wHlYwKC_p4v_ZynbvtQNZ1Sz4fTL34daBCRGA6RFf5kBRB5uxj99-3Z71Naxn9xQ34HHgaQ1XE6IPpYvEolU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=28.92'>00:28</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. It's been a, an agonizingly beautiful season here in southeastern Pennsylvania. So that actually informed our topic today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=68EGhtFsVZQN87ZLyW7QxgOlKY14VvSlnz5Ubqn5GukcvKjjpIbd96_kJiDu3lp8YOw_UwwTSlsIYSrknJ9jTfmllv0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=39.84'>00:39</a>):</p>
<p>It did.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KVxuRi0f-qX-3q4lV2oDcgyDXbUrHL64xUzXbWH7kFDJ2FqgoJqh3JZIKkkGQEvE2hh7yUJOyYCtzHjFuiWoYGQGOYA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=40.77'>00:40</a>):</p>
<p>We're going to talk about how to pollinate your leads. Let's use pollen. Well, we know pollen does good, even though it does get all up in our sinus cavity. So apologies for how I sound today. I sounded worse three days ago, so there's that. But yeah, we're just going to keep it a little light today and just kind of give you, give you a pep talk of how to keep that business pipeline fluid, which we all need to do, no matter how things are out there.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dPqBOiWNxg-QTdLJuzaKKJRe5hAGpYI0RSAKJJtigVSBzU8Z1avoAtzjjjQcU58P28hdwcz-VxDX0_PUoXNPkwMyjW4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=66.55'>01:06</a>):</p>
<p>And, and also it's a spring thing. It, it actually was a topic that was kind of rolling around in my head. ‘Cause I get to talk to so many small business people and so many solo PR pros and I have noticed this trend. And so as always, we want to help you to have the business that you want. And again, you know, I, I always preface that because I, when I first started my business, there were a lot of people out there that were, you know posting pictures on Twitter. We didn't have , I'm embarrassed to say this, but we didn't have Instagram yet, let alone TikTok . And yes, I'm that old, but people would post up pictures of like, these fancy cars and mansions and it just didn't speak to me. Yeah. And it, it was their measure of success.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zj79Jp1v7nUjYIZH1xd9xe6s80uIgjXhYhlogqhjY-9a0nvqrvLrJ1EKsbkXAhkNyGehhn5XnHsMrVg-o5RS6gI7xvU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=120.42'>02:00</a>):</p>
<p>And that's fine if that's your measure of success, but it wasn't for me. I wanted something different. I was looking, I was going into business for myself for completely different reasons. And so I always like to preface that because whatever your why is, and, and however big or small you want your business to be for everybody, there's a way to do that and, and have a healthy business. And that's kind of what we're aiming for, for people not to struggle. This year we've seen a lot of economic tumult. We've seen a lot of companies doing layoffs. There's a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt. The famous fud, and I'm , I'm watching a lot of our small business and solo PRs fall into discouragement. Right. And so we want to talk about, and, and the reason pollinate is such a, a good theme is because here's what some people do, and people that are in traditional jobs do this too.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=L4XlDHPGxnYIkMA4OwYmSJtal3RcWV_6jFoP1GrYFVh8JuKc_fqmgzYfIGopyHWy6OFZyCUYtOOZYeC8A6m_pBnLif0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=183.1'>03:03</a>):</p>
<p>You, you're, you're working, working, working, head down, and then you lose an account. Or if you're in traditional employment, you lose a job, then all of a sudden you're on LinkedIn like a crazy person, you know, running after job leads or you're running after leads for your business. Pollinating is something that happens before the blooms come; pollinating is critical. And so we want to talk about the things that you really should be doing before the season starts where you will need the business. And so this is why we always talk about business development being an ongoing activity.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=uQ-hsorZTjRVeEUSu7BcECTXSY9SjB7l2uinnUEQJMyrTL1YQfcJvd7mgWz4bkktaFZs4ang81zTiKreA7e-mX5EJVE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=220.99'>03:40</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And I think a key way to do that, and I challenge myself to do this as much as anyone else, you know, speaking of LinkedIn, pop in every day, you know, offer, offer just a little nugget of advice. You know, seek to be a helper because then when people are looking for help, they're going to think of you. And if you want to expand that into some content marketing for your business, by all means, please do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=T2yM-EwkGxg90GmpihLuhCVg20UIggILFSZNOiPDOsOvOfJhMyd2DRvyrxEczcqnVDZPl8BRCsTWWnJEvnskK7paXT4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=247.51'>04:07</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. You know, there are these habit builders out there. There's yeah. Dig. There's, there's a lot of habit builders. Build a habit of being the face of your business every day. I, I mean, I find that, you know, these consistent habits really do pay off. So for me, I will tell you and, and lean into what you're good at. So for me, I am a relationship person. I genuinely love people. I mean, I genuinely do, even though I'm kind of an introverted extrovert, I care about people and I build these really long-term relationships. And so my superpower is maintaining connections. So I am always, you know, talking to the people that I've worked with. Even when clients go away, I keep in touch. We, you know, we set up like check-ins, like quarterly, monthly, sometimes a little less frequently, but I'm always checking in and not for business, just for relationship building. I stay connected through social media, you know, I'll call somebody or text somebody. I will, you know, I just maintain friendships and I maintain contact with all of my former clients. And so that just continues to pay off. For example, this year I have already gotten three leads from a C E O that I used to work with.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MmWBFwOzqMddiaTY0w7_eg1RJ8hR0d55aVGfSeRUy9TFPzlmuuQd3dxmFNS4D0aK8LUXTowJUB6kEjj6YoTXo8s-X7E&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=337.93'>05:37</a>):</p>
<p>I love that. I love that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=jdKbdA5muKFhRO8xAmkcG4akxeqRRL7YywBWTYsVm8M78gDuRx70fqJvvrpTaa5ooIuQuFwAdNsIEcHC3jhnPFqH7f8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=339.7'>05:39</a>):</p>
<p>This is not the first that he's ever referred business to us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0cHrYOQVYag0-n4IsabGDnhi7R9HkHlFQLYNZHOwOwFU8WP0B4FYFVTKusGhafcMPk7RfuaBmJ0INw6GLLlK2Mg0Pok&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=342.76'>05:42</a>):</p>
<p>Right</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=JGOPqznjLpwb-dMBAEemIt90rUDA6c1qYunzPiIv3GZb7W8UsxJQOFpivDzTxD4Kn2jDBypOE9M7hLqUix0oK-UC4_M&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=343.81'>05:43</a>):</p>
<p>And it's because I maintain those relationships. Yeah. And here's the funny thing about that former client, I've also gotten leads from three other members of his executive team or his former executive team, and the company was purchased by somebody else. But we've maintained those relationships, we've maintained contact, and so they continue to refer business my way. So don't underestimate the power of adding relationship building into your routine activities, if that's your, if that's your superpower too</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=TY1D9y5aJSRXj56LAxbWDMYNjNOY3pAyIKb_dTqEHCrtBrfdjDDo---xA2nBmGkYazS-9BVW3kxT7QLjcIRvZsXWDsE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=375.32'>06:15</a>):</p>
<p>Now. And honestly, that, that is my main why, you know, business is relationship. Yeah. I, it's, it's on my, my website. It's, it's how I present. And it's so true. I mean, I love connecting people that can help each other even if I'm not involved. And I love that you schedule these touch base moments because I also kind of stink at that. Yeah. But I, I too, I love to stay in touch and not, not just because, you know, and it's, it's certainly not for a a, you know, a, ooh, I might get something out of this, but it's just because, hey, you know, we, we did, we went through something together. We built something together that was great. You know, why wouldn't you stay in touch? Because if,y ou're in business, especially in this business, I think it, it is in our ethos to be helpful. And, you know, I think that it's just a natural occurrence that you would want to remain in close contact with these people. And it makes such perfect sense. I love that. I'm gonna take that up. Scheduling things.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=J-udq0VhwM5XjCozz5CTq7QBp-sBTNHEvTezse-_DuT_17gNfW-J-lOS27UBfc0UNISfrKVV_dBFe2CiS7zEDGiQr4g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=435.35'>07:15</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean, and you know, so I, I will open up my playbook and tell you some of the things that I do because it's natural to me. During the course of business, I always tell clients that we know that business comes and goes, but relationships are forever. So from</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qSJRtrcfdmncCedJy50cg8UO2JfKqvB3B2rliEbCvkq5rao2PHT8KQK8bO79serMCmybPSl1SeYqUZGU7ppjPvPaPUc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=452.42'>07:32</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b52oHHedUqc3kSLCodjP7xTdDr3SWwbUN-Rg3wEUlH_mR8SYzUO2hDS8dXGO8oRiPUU7c30jfw8FuKXLoCP7V2-bN-g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=453.35'>07:33</a>):</p>
<p>Day one I'm always doing business, but also caring for the human beings. And so I am asking questions, I'm listening, I am responding to things. I'm supporting them in their career goals. I'm supporting them when personal things come up. If somebody is going through a challenge at work, like they're going through this challenging time, I might send flowers or I may send a card just to say, Hey, you okay? I do, you know, mental health check-ins, you know, that are outside of work. So I might text their cell and go, just check in on you today. I know that things are a little rough right now, and it's just about being a human being. And I know that some of us have come up in the era where business is like super professional and it's not very human, but I know that that's not our solos. I know that all of us get pretty close to our clients. So I'm saying, you know, lean into that and, and maybe you're not, you know, going on vacations with them or having dinner with them, but always tend to the humanity of your clients because that is definitely a way to pollinate future business. But even more importantly than that, it makes your work more satisfying when you are genuinely bringing your whole human self to the business.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=aYtCa8MOdxTKk-sl3aHk5B7p1_CRX1KyaXUwiibE2DLHty59Qt5DuBPDsWP0nTTIUOPdWJxbIV1F_pXBzmTR9wPRqDw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=531.99'>08:51</a>):</p>
<p>I agree. I agree. Because, you know, we are, we are our client's trusted resources. And, and it is a two-way street. I mean, I love, every year I try to send a little something to my financial client because it's tax season, and I know they never leave their, their desks. I feel so bad, especially since their new location is far removed from their beloved convenience store where they used to coffee up all the time. But it's just, you know, little touch doesn't have to be anything grand. You know, it could just be a little note, you know, if, if one of their family members has accomplished something. It's, it really humanizes the relationship, which I think is key. And you know what, that goes also for pollinating leads. If you see a prospect out there that's achieved something, whether personal or a professional, send a note. I mean, there used to be a chiropractor in my area that used to send me notes as a student, and it was just sunshine notes. And you know, as a kid you think, oh, isn't this neat, this person who is called doctor is thinking of me? And then of course it is, as an adult, you realize what they were really up to. They were trying to generate leads, but it's okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7CBAq5zJpLA-xmgdUPlye-lfqF4Tgiu3ZX4M8GdXAaNKnfKBJqusBLiqvaHRhPinmJxoKr4zWfuk7ziznPwXSx92fck&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=603.82'>10:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, another way to pollinate is to spread your marketing seats. Yeah. I find that we solos are terrible at marketing our businesses. I want to believe that this younger generation is not following the poor example set in the past. Because you are not being selfish. You are not being it's not obnoxious to talk about what you do. Why wouldn't you? And, but here's the thing, and I I just want to remind you, you must stay top of mind with everyone. You have to, because life is busy. People are bombarded with information, and you think that people know what you do, and they will forget that you do it if you're not constantly reminding them. So there's so many ways to do this in ways that might feel comfortable to you. But I don't hate the sales process. I don't hate selling because selling is simply uncovering needs and offering solutions to people who are looking for it.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RJk_RYf3ME5JDJBq9oKPPhd7_6fQuaP5gY2IDQouyA_ZAiAHSKafooQFesDceQACTDsX3-HQbnFPixj6TgtINdT6rbg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=669.93'>11:09</a>):</p>
<p>It's not a dirty thing. So talk about what you do. And you could do that, you know, as simple as, you know, commenting on something that's happening in your target audience's industry, posting on LinkedIn and sharing tips out there. You know, you see people sharing tips about, you know, here's how you do this. Now, I will say that I find it more valuable to speak to business and my client's industries than to speak to PR people. Not that I don't love PR people. We do that here on this podcast. So we have a place for that and we have a blog. But when it comes to marketing my business, I'm not really marketing to other PR people. I'm marketing to the clients that will hire me. If your target audience is PR professionals, and obviously, yes, you should absolutely serve content that's going to attract that audience, but just, you know, think about that because sometimes I see PR people sharing things, you know, on press releases and how to do this and how to do that, which is great. But if those aren't the people that are hiring you, you're really not speaking to your audience and their business challenges.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=NJVloGU454NIY1MpwGtpzVItbbhHujGRYLW74oHMQANcA2LG8ag512Tpd1XknwMZz_t4JUM5ThVpobk-4iqG_-9L09s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=747.31'>12:27</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's very true. Yeah. I mean, if, if, if your business model is that you are trying to work with fellow PR people as a coach or something, that's Yeah, that's fine. But yeah, you definitely want to be demonstrating your talents, you know, within the pool of, of those you want to do business with. I think that's absolutely true. I mean, there's definitely room for tool sharpening moments amongst ourselves, but you really want to be active in the circles, you know, where hopefully one day you can generate some business from people.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ROshYnNzDcV22xpjW19rIxIUCmxTN2Egt9V6_lF6RbpxiqmaBc45KLFvZYCXbOcN5CBkOllbMxNMAl3q0J3AoXslN1I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=779.65'>12:59</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, don't be afraid to ask that is so many times you leave stuff on the table because you don't ask for the business, ask if you know somebody, Hey, are you working with anybody at Love to Chat? Yeah. And if we are, of course we, we don't do that in pr. We are respectful if there's an agency in place, whether we know them or not. So we don't want to steal business, but there's a lot of people out there that could use PR support and they don't have somebody. Speaking of PR people too, even if there's an internal PR person, get to know those internal people because I just, there's a statistic that I will look up for you all, but I just went to an event where they were sharing that the companies that are able to 20 times their revenue, when they looked at the characteristics that are common across these companies, one of the things is that they use independent contractors.</p>
<p>(<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b3LWs_GblkzzHAoUda7iPUyMXwI8MDbeIO6UFcW3pTkxIgHOf7CC4qB2tdKI8y8jGIeJ655QCmiHf6TyvRmsJS5cDyg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=840.3'>14:00</a>):</p>
<p>We know that we are a superpower for companies. And so even if a company has an internal team, especially these days, those teams need to be laser focused on very specific types of initiatives. And so having an outside agency brings in a more global perspective. Because if you're inside of an agency, you're focused on the company's messaging, you're, you're, your perspective is a little bit different. You're not working with, you know, 10 other companies. You haven't seeing the inside of other businesses, you've only seen your company and you're focused on that, and you see it from that lens that an outside agency can focus on a different set of outlets. We deal with a wider set of reporters, and so you can even carve out responsibilities. Like I've had engagements where the internal team handle tier one and we handle trades or the internal team handled you know, one facet of media relations. And we did thought leadership for the executive. So you can, you know, slice and dice it, but don't be afraid that Oh, they have an internal team that they won't need outside support.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=t3Ha-XlrdE71lps07YCyjVl1rKwFdasBYLtdKJ0_LM6IJ7xFXEGgxhu7i7ORkTyGmge1P7UyVgyhCxsBy6cyWh0cCFY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=913.4'>15:13</a>):</p>
<p>No, that's totally true. I mean, I, I've had situations where, you know, the internal team handles strategy and I'm, I'm on the team as a copywriter, happy to be there. It's, it's nice not to have to lead. Sometimes ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KUOPGR1SVeFnqmahkGwuhZlfK-9k0HDmYLBKiOnZXCow9-LTJyj4goAhoc6B4aC0F-MNSgh4hR2fJ3-zcyRpzcKddDw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.04'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>It is nice not to have to lead. And sometimes it's nice, like in the times where we've done trades and the internal team has handled tier one, I've been more than happy because it's, I mean, media relations is work, period, but it's like, yeah, good luck with that Wall Street Journal. ,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=NeG0E6avlpyVhHCUFe906pLItSyA8ScLa-3qwD-C72sKl4q-OjR8cHozUqQDkJoIVX_NXwfeL7Bnkn-zAf5G_UsJYrw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=950.21'>15:50</a>):</p>
<p>You take that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=nUM9INbX-Qlk7KwwskKaYt9U2rtIhvkqpd87oV-LBlAfZuOxET5F_-6v768cqXZzvLQPh7eE4GGtbmxvFej9V5cTiFY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=951.2'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, that's</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=F97BAJd9TU9H4Ilk-1EipeGHykxMrGUIry3cfNFRd-dcm-0IZVJw-Ay4fV--_TZSg9-cDUI3-BP4S-rUKX2ItBZl7Z0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=951.8'>15:51</a>):</p>
<p>Fine.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dUBqCcsPmZxktmyuJ4F9VkO8z_pBqDFIgieuXU0KNq542Tdd4fIG8y2oeAlZrvFjst6yFgh2dgGGuQNt6OGSaNia6GU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=952.46'>15:52</a>):</p>
<p>Happy to let you have that. You go for it. And our team has killed it. And I mean, and not to say that we haven't supported them on some of the tier one stuff too, but again, you can stay in your lane and you can add value just because of your perspective and then what you bring to the table of having this expertise across often more than one industry, and definitely across companies. So you have, you have different ideas and a a different perspective to bring to the table.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=BgEnyq9LN7xGOjl_knA4GbnRisUVJvwA-oXCiLWl5l0q95hCpnsd54McUQjBAoRsetqE9djQ1nrGDYJjF-l9E-DYSzM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=980.69'>16:20</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, you know, building new relationships along the way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RGaN33yCy5jc6aX8iQtPmgDZngT0LNeJ0JaTjiGg7paINL5pYtNMyIzBSZa6gShxm2yBCBDKWSiy2gvqNFv7yqNqFHs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=985.07'>16:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I, you know, here's another way that you can pollinate, you can run webinars And market it to prospects. They're, you know, companies are always going to be grateful to learn something that's going to move their business forward. So take a step back and think about what problems are happening in the industries that I serve, and how can my expertise help these companies? And so with that knowledge, you can sit, sit down and craft things. Now, if you're not like the webinar type of person, that's okay. Maybe you want to do, maybe you want to do in-person workshops. I've known people that have been really successful at that target companies and offer an in-person workshop. I just had a client yesterday have a need for wanting to train on empathetic communications. So, you know, ask and see what the needs are in the communities that you serve, and put something together. You can also do an email course. If you are somebody that rocks your email newsletter, use it to actually serve up content and invite people to subscribe for practical and actionable tips and insights. People will do that. I mean, I know that sometimes we have subscription fatigue, but people still read, they still learn from reading. They still appreciate that. So if that's what you do, use it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fq6OL1EnMYlQFz-1d3IBkUEnKP6UI5P8LrM950OiNjvoVxR5uXjk45kkLQDs91uFRmSLLeEOw6dP8NzEnUSoQLhOV7w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1069.68'>17:49</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's true. That's true. And even if you also repurpose some of this content into blog posts and content for your website, Google loves that. And then you have the advantage of the serendipity of the Google search results.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xcXC3xa0gdd05V6TyPfe4L1qQ5BvCsZQUB6-DqxNcVV_E624L0U7or54OnuHRSU8cCoPP0Gzo_na7r36qshIPYLgdwc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1083.96'>18:03</a>):</p>
<p>And I mean, if you're a video person, rock a video rock a reel rock, rock a short, I mean, yeah. There are just so many ways to do it. I, I think the key is though, making sure that you are not down so far on accounts that you're in panic mode. Right. Because that's just a terrible place to sell from. And I say that from years of experience of actually being in a sales function. I managed sales teams, and I would tell my team members this because it never, ever, ever, ever failed to be the truth. When they were down, they were not effective. Right. Because your mind is not in a calm place where you are really looking and you're being strategic and you're being creative. You're panicked, you're freaking out about your income.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=M7aheOkQBQGjT6Eug6wFad4exPZm9KMtukhAlkbExWIFPI99LpEImJ050jE7h-jU5mW1LsCauNnC8uGI8rAC2t2S9i0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1134.78'>18:54</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yGxa52PammOLI50-ftuJW-Jm4TtGiUMqcE8DxNmXEwrC424eq-PMVYJDsQ2VnCiNRrk2eIDzu6WmM-YHavyaXUa7yXc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1135.41'>18:55</a>):</p>
<p>And if you know, even if that's you today, I would say do what you have to do to bring in enough income to get you, you know, solid again, where you can start to be more proactive. And so there is no shame in offering services on Upwork if that's what you gotta do. There is no shame in taking a slice of your business. You know, if you are a copywriter, go hire yourself out as a copywriter just to get your income levels back up. And you know, don't forget to tap into your current clients for referrals or more work, because Right. Sometimes clients forget the breadth of services that you offer.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=90dc1wcoE8XPKyvDNQysNLs2aFStb1p4of9JhVt2uGlHRhnIiqm_nSOQ1jLS5ZnewQf7RHLFfBIa_ad-MULmMBZSijg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1181.34'>19:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, it's true. It's true. So even though it is, it is difficult to calm your mind and the fear in those moments. Yeah. Even if you just do it for an hour, try it and, and, and do it chunk by chunk. And we know that you are talented and we know that you will get there. Well, we thank you for joining us for this little pollination moment. And we do value your time. We value, if you find this meaningful to you, please share it around. We want to get the word out to as many people as possible so everyone can grow the business that they love in a way that they want to work. So thanks again for joining us for That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. How are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:17):
Hey, Michelle. I'm, I'm doing a lot better than you. I know that you are an allergy sufferer and spring comes with the reality of allergy season. So,
Michelle Kane (00:28):
Exactly. It's been a, an agonizingly beautiful season here in southeastern Pennsylvania. So that actually informed our topic today.
Karen Swim, APR (00:39):
It did.
Michelle Kane (00:40):
We're going to talk about how to pollinate your leads. Let's use pollen. Well, we know pollen does good, even though it does get all up in our sinus cavity. So apologies for how I sound today. I sounded worse three days ago, so there's that. But yeah, we're just going to keep it a little light today and just kind of give you, give you a pep talk of how to keep that business pipeline fluid, which we all need to do, no matter how things are out there.
Karen Swim, APR (01:06):
And, and also it's a spring thing. It, it actually was a topic that was kind of rolling around in my head. ‘Cause I get to talk to so many small business people and so many solo PR pros and I have noticed this trend. And so as always, we want to help you to have the business that you want. And again, you know, I, I always preface that because I, when I first started my business, there were a lot of people out there that were, you know posting pictures on Twitter. We didn't have , I'm embarrassed to say this, but we didn't have Instagram yet, let alone TikTok . And yes, I'm that old, but people would post up pictures of like, these fancy cars and mansions and it just didn't speak to me. Yeah. And it, it was their measure of success.
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And that's fine if that's your measure of success, but it wasn't for me. I wanted something different. I was looking, I was going into business for myself for completely different reasons. And so I always like to preface that because whatever your why is, and, and however big or small you want your business to be for everybody, there's a way to do that and, and have a healthy business. And that's kind of what we're aiming for, for people not to struggle. This year we've seen a lot of economic tumult. We've seen a lot of companies doing layoffs. There's a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt. The famous fud, and I'm , I'm watching a lot of our small business and solo PRs fall into discouragement. Right. And so we want to talk about, and, and the reason pollinate is such a, a good theme is because here's what some people do, and people that are in traditional jobs do this too.
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You, you're, you're working, working, working, head down, and then you lose an account. Or if you're in traditional employment, you lose a job, then all of a sudden you're on LinkedIn like a crazy person, you know, running after job leads or you're running after leads for your business. Pollinating is something that happens before the blooms come; pollinating is critical. And so we want to talk about the things that you really should be doing before the season starts where you will need the business. And so this is why we always talk about business development being an ongoing activity.
Michelle Kane (03:40):
Right. Right. And I think a key way to do that, and I challenge myself to do this as much as anyone else, you know, speaking of LinkedIn, pop in every day, you know, offer, offer just a little nugget of advice. You know, seek to be a helper because then when people are looking for help, they're going to think of you. And if ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As communicators we are always aware of making sure we are navigating our own inherent biases. The same is true as we counsel our clients. But in today’s society there is whole new layer where biases are being systematized and institutionalized. What does this mean for us as communicators? How to we navigate these tricky waters while also honoring the nuance necessary for clear communication? We discuss this weighty topic in today’s episode.</p>
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<p><a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/03/stanford-law-school-intimidation-of-moderates/'>Read the Washington Post Op-ed referenced in today’s episode.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ROxCGC2eeTld_pFKTLWUHDJmV-z1EvII0uux-jEKL1iQPWUiRQnD1kkNigSOS-_wO-w3o13e7zZtAvW2yjH_0QkLpWo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.04'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=d9JRgzZstr91IZiU6xWY_Yzx_CM1KlCDfLkHqUVvkqxRECP5Xksn5--1vUp7o_iZic-lhWEs3eG1cgVXBLvxuj10k9s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.64'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>I'm great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CBBLiftwuqanTELnNE2BiZSdUzhYPAf9UZ_l9xnQ7MiMnRZA1tbs8hEghuzr0a20YsgjYZBfmtHcyNyTlY6cKBl9L8I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.54'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I'm doing well, doing well. Spring has sprung and brought all the pollen with it, so apologies for any congestion you may hear, but that's okay, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rYRgZRys70hPGx0XUHJ3MdWT-SkC6ZZ2TFs0lmU5hmNULIH1t2cXjyz794LXFLjJjv-3zdFHLbAwHgXeP7_iyXpHhp8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.08'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n55tse02Ts3BjwtJiOPl_dKY27AcD_fzqeC4o051N5GrGiW0uqdCzZIfz3qGcl10KEpMMaUcwrQVK4pdsYvlkI6U24w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.36'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>It's worth it for the beauty . So yeah, I'm doing well and I'm excited about today's topic. It's pretty juicy, so we're going to try and keep it to our usual compact nugget as our audience can listen as they go about their day, we jokingly refer to ourselves as your walking partners, so yes. As you're on your daily walk, here we go. We're going to talk about institutional bias.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=IhFg9UN1RpqUF-dC28rQgx66VwscFq8OZSHNInj1Q90bgb-QSX_Y5sjZCUpCvqlAxeChvHWuthJ9wKUJ2Xc4aXT7K44&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=59.7'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I2sD3YJcpGVTahLU6FWbr5GvXxSRMv8QAj2RY2anAFyHupML9XFMELWm5f3sBDhe_cRPy7itSCBAWg_85R5qMpdHVh0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=60.6'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>I said it was juicy .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AQB1Rxhy4D1_0Z9QiVbpMgbzeIu4ulvrvmE-BlnojlSmgw3F5uyj10IQSi7XR-uF0lE884UarJ6sOnW6SPhd1QgyL_A&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=63.09'>01:03</a>):</p>
<p>That's a weighty topic. I mean, we could, this is one of those topics that I love for us to be in a room together and just have like rich discussions about it. We really want to just talk about some of the things that we're seeing and reading, and at least put it on your mind to be thinking through, and having those discussions with other solos and industry leaders and clients, and really think about what this means for the future.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vJNjWhONJ1nAGOIaNzrsSKO4xkrHyPrDR7dMczNEG5swigoSMe0IHomA_ByjC2-mxlYEGRWhlUSFcOWwRjp6dZpCNhQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=93.33'>01:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because, at the center of it, it speaks to what is the general truth, right? What are those things we can all agree on as a society and as our society continues to be polarized, how that can be really damaging in the short and long run. And the beauty of it is, as communicators, we can have a seat at this table, and yet again, help guide our clients, people in our sphere through these conversations. I know, Karen, you had brought up, there was an article on the Washington Post about, was it a Stanford law student? I think?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wWes3NA5PXnK-95AcsCzkNG9ZNFFG6W-QI9fgI3GL4MTbsAuwfZap9oVfRZYTUOFtqPW1eMj9Jl7H-CY8sBsiQPKPIc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=139.59'>02:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so there were two things recently that in reading through them, really drove this home to me of the impact and the potential emerging trends. So one was this <a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/03/stanford-law-school-intimidation-of-moderates/'>Washington Post article</a>. It was an opinion piece from a Stanford law student that talked about how the very charged, polarized political environment has infiltrated the campus. And if you go to the Washington Post, there are actually several articles about this in law schools from another columnist as well. But this particular piece was again, an opinion. And this woman talked about how people are being forced into us versus them very much like the rest of the world. But where it got really interesting for me was how she described that when if you were of a certain political party, people expected you to be an attorney. And if you said that you wanted to be a prosecutor, you were bullied for it, ostracized, as this particular group saw this as evil. And conversely, on the other side of the political party, on the other side of the aisle, if you wanted to be an attorney, it labeled you in a particular ilk. So the fact that bias could be impacting choice of profession is a very scary thing, particularly when we're talking about our justice system, because I believe that this is just a mirror of other institutions in our society. So, at the educational level, if we're creating bias and that bias is leading people to lean in a particular direction for how they would use their skillset in their careers, that's problematic because we need diversity of thought in every area. And the second thing that really brought this home was Twitter's code being released. And we knew that that was coming. They announced that they were going to open up the code and reading takes from people that read through the code.</p>
<p>I have not read through the code myself. So let me say that I can read code. I'm not an expert in it, but I do know how to read code. I haven't read it myself, but it really brought out and articulated the bias that's written into the code. Now, Twitter is not alone in this. We know, and we've talked about this for years, we've talked about bias and AI, we've talked about bias and algorithms. And so all of this led us to really start to think very deeply about, as communicators, we know that we already have to work to ensure that we are navigating our own inherent biases, and that we are ensuring that clients aren't operating with biases. But now we have this whole new layer where biases being systematized and institutionalized. And so what does that mean for us as communicators? How do we navigate these tricky new waters to be able to still communicate effectively to be able to articulate points, but to be nuanced so that we are not further amplifying the, the,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=eGayTYcBN4up3LMY_b1qOVjn59CJLwbdaK_cEoOBoBjn-sEMBljEma88t8QM1YM8wPtPT7FAdkyS6nUCdZyoE5wFi48&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=359.9'>05:59</a>):</p>
<p>the noise</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Av9M65kMEhb6NCvItShR5YvqKxGx2YplldRn3hRo0nP0W_riAqbG4Rw0CmUjLBX_PizelhgzwSpk3Tvt5kjvWZX9rvg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=361.64'>06:01</a>):</p>
<p> the noise, the polarization. Yes. That's really taken hold.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=eUyw6TbZMcp0n47WqPSMl0JnNtQrOAKlhU-MMdpW5DycsOxl7-CjmXD55r3z_G6HOBNcPv30-wR2hiYHXLxxF2imCn4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=365.63'>06:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think the first step is to be cognizant that it is taking hold in such a way, because especially as you said in the justice system, that's highly disturbing. I think, I hope it's not a completely lost art that we can assume a certain point of view in our work that is separate from whatever personal thoughts we may have. And I'm not talking about things that are just inherently right versus wrong. I mean, there are some things that are no, that should never be right,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SPCdwzp9jc-Ab9G-DnR-I7JBzRSG2zdaO4U2fPCm-gQPPGy-6lkYvzLbYhBpvYxR9BSeK3JdEY4oujkyJbhXvThNszc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=403.43'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>, yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fonLHl0ddmR_CrcOkPkk56Fo4FEnWIr-uyXcWFG4EixwrCFM9bzLFnK2io7xH-0HqTNeEld-sXKE3dQvF2hckIQ8Si0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=404.12'>06:44</a>):</p>
<p>But just in personal preferences or, do you call it purity tests of, well, if I disagree with this, you know, institution or group about this point, then I must act in this major way in every aspect of my life. I see that at the local level of, well, this organization is taking money to do this private thing, and I am now not going to go there anymore. And I'm thinking, at the cost of what you're going to damage the total economic development of a region, because of taking such a wide view, we really need to maintain nuance. And nuance has been slowly chipped away at for quite some time. I mean, I'm thinking even back to late nineties, early two thousands. And maybe even before that when I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have. And we really need to keep it front of mind and, and really be the bearers of how we need to think things through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tDGB9cx3lWU10hh1Tuq705sHKIlTfFXQku8s6ursT0oOJpPPr2YfOlzeSVenGfxVgo7Es37WZM-DccFrKx_m31VifT8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=471.68'>07:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And you know, I love language, I write, and part of my personal writing is I like to play with language, but what's been really apparent, and you're right, the shift is not overnight. I know that we love to tie this to a certain timeframe in our political history, but this has not been an overnight switch. We have always had this ability to weaponize language. And for as far back as man has existed, I mean, what is bullying? You know, it's really, sometimes the bullying is not physical. It's really verbal bullying. And so we have this ability to do this as human beings. And if you are working in an arena that is political, obviously you're going to adopt the language of your followers to speak to them.</p>
<p>But I find we tend to be very aggressive these days. And so there are now these code words that will signal whether you are progressive or liberal, conservative, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. And I think that's awful because I truly, in my heart of heart believes, and it's funny, the Stanford law school op-ed said the same thing, that, most people are not us or them on campus. They're somewhere in that middle. And I believe that that's most of the country, but many people feel bullied into staying silent or trying to navigate these tricky waters so that they're not labeled either way. For many of us if you work with a technology company, you’re B2B, you’re B2C, you don't really care what political party people are. And you're not trying to speak to politics, you're trying to speak to your target audience, which comprises both sides of the aisle. One of the easiest things that you can do, obviously, is to not use those trigger words. I find it very troubling that now we have to restrict our language because some groups have adopted this as their mantras, their code words to signal that we're one of you. And I don't know how this mob mentality has just really taken over in such a negative and toxic way. But as communicators, we can't fall prey to it. Even if we belong to one of these parties, even if we are all in on that party, we cannot let that impact the work that we do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DDqcdNiGzjwb9-qDGM_Bc2zPzO08DuTsuqPTYvsU5BEhNDEBGMdZNIiyica6jIU8DZFIxmUx1jzefiLFIhOfeOCRBi8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=650.19'>10:50</a>):</p>
<p>A hundred percent. And, as communicators, I know for me, I am always -- from the beginning of when I started out in this profession -- always conscious of not just how words communicate, but everything you present. Everything communicates. And, it's heightened now, and to your point as well, most businesses I know, they want to serve everybody. Is your money green? Okay. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dBMAFU-Ya86seEpHuUydRwB6HXAPxOjQp2EpN8Hp_K45e_rdC9AnFMCB5fQPGAGtTjZ--aUrCGLt2rXEPD4csT6gX_8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=687.08'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>And, not to be confused with being values based because…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Jq4wo6QZc6UtaGXO9o3C152eiZZvA1mLxyaSyUjVpPq06m0pRS-go9us7gemuh5tYQ6QwVh9ggPblBljFMfo_uyWoJ4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=692.74'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>Correct.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=jzO9Iinvnj2imZvQYvpvrltX5x2IT1AVE1e3SIhwl7sbs4upc0G9IwixJ4Ir6wlPJ181CH7TCnG8RXujGKSgKk8QohQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=694.02'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>…I advocate for companies having a very clear North Star, for having a mission and a vision that shows up in every single part of the organization and is reinforced. So this is not being values-based. We're talking about being divisive and polarizing on purpose, unless that is your mission. And there are companies that do very much have that mission, different story. But even in those instances, when you are mission driven and it's in the political arena, and you are a social justice organization, I'm always a fan of communicating with clarity and not communicating to divide. Because, and this is just my personal viewpoint and, and I'm going to just say that this is opinion, it's not fact. But I truly believe that when we communicate with clarity, and we're not communicating to divide people, that it actually is stronger for whatever we're trying to achieve. Because where change really happens is when human beings can truly communicate and discuss with one another.</p>
<p>So when you set the table for not argument, but for thought and discussion, that's where you can really move the needle. And I think I've shared this story on this podcast before, and my apologies, I cannot remember what journalist wrote this, but he wrote about this whole phenomena, and he talked about when he was arguing with a cab driver in Israel and how they argued for like 30 minutes. And it was great because this was one-on-one discussion. They had different viewpoints, but at the end of the ride, they were able to shake hands and they both had learned something from the other and really come to an understanding of the other person's perspective. And each of them had, you know, changed their perspective slightly based on this discussion. But it was discussion. And so I think that if we can move away from inciting argument or simply communicating for agreement, communicating for validation, which is something very different for me.</p>
<p>And that's a skillset, and that's something that as a communicator, you may be called to do again, depending on the purpose of the communication and who your client is. But it's not where I believe that we should live. We should want to not necessarily validate, because you need to be clear and have your point of view and be able, again, to articulate that. But is there room for people to go, “Huh, never thought about that,” or, “Wow, that's really interesting.” Discussion creates memorable moments, right? Telling those stories in a way that people can relate to makes them remember the brand that you're actually talking about, or remember the person, the spokesperson. Those are all things that are important to our profession. And I am so afraid, and the reason that we really wanted to address this today is I think that we really need to have our eyes wide open and to begin to fight back on this thing that is taking hold in our society.</p>
<p>And it's getting deeper and deeper. And it just, it, it's frightening to me. It's frightening to me that one day we might see communicators who are only of one political party. Could that happen? Absolutely. It could. Because if we're educating people in a system that is being set up to create biases and to create us versus them, what does that mean for the future of every single profession on this earth? Does this mean that you now have to, will we see a future where if you have a certain set of belief systems politically, that you're going to have to seek out doctors who share that opinion because they're going to treat you differently?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=EJA8-RCXMXwSnx6NizHkwdsADYCuWEdiIRyB5jr5TR1eaGXkuA6BRxhJflJKdxMk6Rmo8QNTWu3qoEYt7iyNN3MigBc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=943.82'>15:43</a>):</p>
<p>That's already happening, isn't it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ifdulZhkiNoWqnTWF5TWiPhCFg42iviw3LS7VgI3zP1IiI5Bs29YEab9C41QRUtsosDxxM-s-OQHEPMB7sInT4crf28&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=945.59'>15:45</a>):</p>
<p>I was going to say, yep. We already have bias in our healthcare system that Yes, we do. I mean, it just, this goes on and on and on. And some of this is already happening, and we can't dismiss this as a DEI and B agenda because it's not, it's not political inclusivity. It's human beings getting back to humanity and understanding how to talk to people. Not at them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Njydowma9xUN9ZQOeic2SrJ-T3hnMDuGb8BylTBF0lOWDpGo0rEptVd3KRf4jC9J5jst_ZV3FWXCB6Kn5iHf99P7Z54&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=974.18'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And I think of the two pillars, purpose and intent, and I think we have to be laser focused as we craft our communications, as we discern what someone is communicating. What is their true purpose? What is their intent? Is it to be clear? Is it to be helpful? Is it to hopefully engage with a target audience? Or is it to create noise and argument, arguments and chaos. I have to bring the pop culture element into it. There was that scene with Michael Caine in Batman talking about the Joker. Some people just want to watch it all burn. And we have too much of that going on in our society. Too much of that rhetoric that is a lot of noise and it's a lot of grandstanding for personal gain. I think back to when Crossfire was still a thing and Jon Stewart was on  and they wanted him to be the comedy guy, and, and he laid into both sides and said, we just want the truth. That's all we want. And yes. Are we going to have different viewpoints about what truth is? Sure. We all have different experiences, but I think if we're all cognizant that this does exist, that your experience may not be the same as someone else's, that doesn't mean that they are wrong.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AcJQbOY3D322ZNUkl16jjgNsEJQiGSXGGnngl5Qf3FjKUqsSQkq3_8H_3K0V0vJsAk66U2Zvgy5mRUtRMvbH0OwkwMU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1066.52'>17:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ChsRW4mbpP_zQqGcSAYK-v_-KT-A_qznUiwzB6hv0h_hvDA--piWv66do2h355bxA0I7pd-vBaVgt1SuwRajhJBM0OA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1067.72'>17:47</a>):</p>
<p>Or that they're making it up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KlIpe6jpxgKvq35XxLkm626oIxqFTZt--TZiseuY2jmWQ52-uZ_1tujSf6dGXHBsGNa8D79P4CghgVovDuGFIKIbAZw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1068.81'>17:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Trust them. Yes. And this, to me, that bias can lead to judgment that's really unfair. And then you're writing off an entire swath of your audience that really could be valuable. And I hate to call it communicating to the middle, but really that's what it is. It's communicating to the middle. There's such beauty in that because being able to create environments and create communications that people can actually share and discuss regardless of where they fall on that spectrum is at the heart of human community. And we don't want to stay stuck in that silo, and we don't want to create silos. We want to invite people who think differently to show up, to participate, to engage, because we all are better when we're exposed to things that are a little bit different than maybe the way that we think, or even the way that we believe.</p>
<p>And so, I don't ever fear, I mean, it's, sometimes I'll see that, and I've been exposed to this where people are like, “How could you talk to these people?” Uh, because they're people. And because I learn something and because I see every human being as a human being, period. That's it. Do I see color? Of course I do, because I see the person. And so I see the things that this person represents, whether it's their ability or their race, their height, I see it all, but they're a human being, right? And so I operate from that perspective, and I think that we need to really take a step back and get back to the basics. But here's the great thing, once again, my public relations heroes. I am just continually proud to be in this job that is super challenging.</p>
<p>Let's face it, we have a very challenging job. We might not be rocket scientists and we might not have literal life and death at our fingertips most of the time. But our jobs are stressful, they're complex, they're needed, and we are just, we sit in a seat that brings with it so much honor, because day after day, I always think, my God, we truly have the opportunity to bring back humanity. We have this powerful gift of communication that cuts across every human experience. And I'm so proud of us who remain in this job, who do what we do, unsung most of the time.  Sometimes we don't even get a thank you for the work that we do, but Michelle and I want you to know that we see you.  We are so honored to be a part of you and to be a part of this community. And we think that you're rock stars. And I think, you know, it might sound super aspirational, but…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=BGzkvJNn0ixT9XsCE9JNXkol3IB4ZVH6V6RUN_w6x0pdrynlPZ-xjJKeq3yoGGZnkhNE6USkfgBil7jiLRNO5ngPXG8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.09'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Go for it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=UIYjXJEbrd03aI9FONK9n8nHpfrAnKHFxT77eOKiuRRDnsIejIEcWxeAzOsgMiMc3rW-51CK3pDzL59-GdShZd-aHR8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.38'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>…we have the opportunity to change the world. I'm sorry, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SLuvMkp3ORMiTnsYvFl6NQLnKgArI0zrpPpJg7S2k34w1lE2M8b-80f-l5RoY9lIBqvYVzKPRx4tSjjkPyk7S_pNitc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1271.35'>21:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh no, a hundred percent. And along with what you're saying, it is our privilege to help communicate the value of each and every human being. Now, I know there are some dark corners of our industry that don't, that's okay. They can do their thing. But we're lucky we get to tell people’s stories. We get to tell the stories of companies and organizations and individuals that are all trying to make this a better place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8SzygzmTnxfHfsZ6c58XHz1yIXMef5SGtRM4FuMXYz3viPRr3o2anzsmUqIL9U-pNK8DMfVcbMOh3w0ZmcFRjTYh_3I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1301.59'>21:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mZqt_AO0LLFMg_4-7SXDFzM4HEf3uyT4wTWTDzuwkcB8DgfHqngCAnW3eeBL-_U6INpSm1e3lDeAq2m1Xoss6G9RA9Y&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1302.7'>21:42</a>):</p>
<p>Which I know - bring out the flowers and the angels singing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=TRkzFGcEX5vWa3iqWGKfhboZlfdyxTuvs0Iv-v583joLEMcxdnrI-GDfy_WUPpZ6QnPXNasNhrYk_wzN36gFrr0KBjI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1307.56'>21:47</a>):</p>
<p>We help clients to connect to their customers and helping them to make money is not just a financial transaction, it's necessary. When we take that further, we are directly responsible for building things that feed families. The work that we do keeps people employed, it keeps commerce going. All of these things are necessary. But we also get the privilege of sitting back and thinking, wow, look at how I was so essential in communicating this client's story. And sometimes those stories are so powerful. When we do customer case studies or we're sharing things on behalf of nonprofits, you know that it's work that really speaks to the heart. But even if you're a B2B-er, like me, there's still so much to celebrate about how we help companies to see the world too. We are their eyes and their ears because we are not stuck in a corporate office looking at it through just the brand perspective. We bring in that broader perspective and help them see from a larger worldview.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=x9UacloMvUAcB8gNqLrFlPqOpCEjfd6Z-EbpZvv3mQjJKOGm2GZdbQv-ot8xKBTpDhUO87kgCEQVUSo4vArMliyLNjY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1385.44'>23:05</a>):</p>
<p>A way and a view that they might not even think of because they're focused on what they do. And I say that time and time again to clients that are trying to do this kind of work that we do on their own. It's like, no, you're too close to it. This is not your lane. I don't do your job . Speaking to many of us in the middle, I think it's that we see life rolling along. Everything's fine. We don't need to speak up. Sometimes, you do. Just to say, hey, you know, can we not have this layer of crazy going on? That would be super nice. The clouds, the clouds of chaos. Could they please disperse?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_yLJZBSLxhvxIZiHmeGi6RPmK3RLmGoNjlJysqmTOfCr8UsICLlEuA_sCfKe5obMkNSWAMgjoe4WOSJL4l_rqezkdOw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1433.56'>23:53</a>):</p>
<p>Here, here! You know, I have learned to coexist with them. Like, oh, hey,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hq5eI7yMt5H2XNWOKgw8balAsKdsjve8HMzX1Nlymx6VIH8saVPgy8PxRfEBtJk_LU54Dx-Lm36v-fLPBzPzY1-eL3g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1438.56'>23:58</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, there you are. Have fun with that. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kyTjZ0aIO60jmDs-PvpZFwi2m1YyIUbzJ_nL4rDGtt0f0l-HW1xahV1BeYioFCTY5ejJ0YiyMX-iWm37s1NiJf_snTE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1443.8'>24:03</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=sVDpts8kE01IPI_3PhBygz8Fq2Dn-bqOW9N7rkNo0HCb-A7JM0J37pezDhpa-z25LUu6qvYx0se0UnaCfOq-AX9dBgw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1444.65'>24:04</a>):</p>
<p>We hope this has been a valuable bit of time to listen to us go on about this topic. It's an important topic and it is something we need to always be vigilant in keeping our eyes open. And we hope you too are always seeking ways to expand your world. And if you do, please do share this around. We value that if you share this and also subscribe and tell everybody about this episode. And until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As communicators we are always aware of making sure we are navigating our own inherent biases. The same is true as we counsel our clients. But in today’s society there is whole new layer where biases are being systematized and institutionalized. What does this mean for us as communicators? How to we navigate these tricky waters while also honoring the nuance necessary for clear communication? We discuss this weighty topic in today’s episode.</p>
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<p><a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/03/stanford-law-school-intimidation-of-moderates/'>Read the Washington Post Op-ed referenced in today’s episode.</a></p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ROxCGC2eeTld_pFKTLWUHDJmV-z1EvII0uux-jEKL1iQPWUiRQnD1kkNigSOS-_wO-w3o13e7zZtAvW2yjH_0QkLpWo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.04'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=d9JRgzZstr91IZiU6xWY_Yzx_CM1KlCDfLkHqUVvkqxRECP5Xksn5--1vUp7o_iZic-lhWEs3eG1cgVXBLvxuj10k9s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.64'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>I'm great, Michelle. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CBBLiftwuqanTELnNE2BiZSdUzhYPAf9UZ_l9xnQ7MiMnRZA1tbs8hEghuzr0a20YsgjYZBfmtHcyNyTlY6cKBl9L8I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.54'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>Hi. I'm doing well, doing well. Spring has sprung and brought all the pollen with it, so apologies for any congestion you may hear, but that's okay, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rYRgZRys70hPGx0XUHJ3MdWT-SkC6ZZ2TFs0lmU5hmNULIH1t2cXjyz794LXFLjJjv-3zdFHLbAwHgXeP7_iyXpHhp8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.08'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n55tse02Ts3BjwtJiOPl_dKY27AcD_fzqeC4o051N5GrGiW0uqdCzZIfz3qGcl10KEpMMaUcwrQVK4pdsYvlkI6U24w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=31.36'>00:31</a>):</p>
<p>It's worth it for the beauty . So yeah, I'm doing well and I'm excited about today's topic. It's pretty juicy, so we're going to try and keep it to our usual compact nugget as our audience can listen as they go about their day, we jokingly refer to ourselves as your walking partners, so yes. As you're on your daily walk, here we go. We're going to talk about institutional bias.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=IhFg9UN1RpqUF-dC28rQgx66VwscFq8OZSHNInj1Q90bgb-QSX_Y5sjZCUpCvqlAxeChvHWuthJ9wKUJ2Xc4aXT7K44&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=59.7'>00:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I2sD3YJcpGVTahLU6FWbr5GvXxSRMv8QAj2RY2anAFyHupML9XFMELWm5f3sBDhe_cRPy7itSCBAWg_85R5qMpdHVh0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=60.6'>01:00</a>):</p>
<p>I said it was juicy .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AQB1Rxhy4D1_0Z9QiVbpMgbzeIu4ulvrvmE-BlnojlSmgw3F5uyj10IQSi7XR-uF0lE884UarJ6sOnW6SPhd1QgyL_A&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=63.09'>01:03</a>):</p>
<p>That's a weighty topic. I mean, we could, this is one of those topics that I love for us to be in a room together and just have like rich discussions about it. We really want to just talk about some of the things that we're seeing and reading, and at least put it on your mind to be thinking through, and having those discussions with other solos and industry leaders and clients, and really think about what this means for the future.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vJNjWhONJ1nAGOIaNzrsSKO4xkrHyPrDR7dMczNEG5swigoSMe0IHomA_ByjC2-mxlYEGRWhlUSFcOWwRjp6dZpCNhQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=93.33'>01:33</a>):</p>
<p>Because, at the center of it, it speaks to what is the general truth, right? What are those things we can all agree on as a society and as our society continues to be polarized, how that can be really damaging in the short and long run. And the beauty of it is, as communicators, we can have a seat at this table, and yet again, help guide our clients, people in our sphere through these conversations. I know, Karen, you had brought up, there was an article on the Washington Post about, was it a Stanford law student? I think?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wWes3NA5PXnK-95AcsCzkNG9ZNFFG6W-QI9fgI3GL4MTbsAuwfZap9oVfRZYTUOFtqPW1eMj9Jl7H-CY8sBsiQPKPIc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=139.59'>02:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, so there were two things recently that in reading through them, really drove this home to me of the impact and the potential emerging trends. So one was this <a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/04/03/stanford-law-school-intimidation-of-moderates/'>Washington Post article</a>. It was an opinion piece from a Stanford law student that talked about how the very charged, polarized political environment has infiltrated the campus. And if you go to the Washington Post, there are actually several articles about this in law schools from another columnist as well. But this particular piece was again, an opinion. And this woman talked about how people are being forced into us versus them very much like the rest of the world. But where it got really interesting for me was how she described that when if you were of a certain political party, people expected you to be an attorney. And if you said that you wanted to be a prosecutor, you were bullied for it, ostracized, as this particular group saw this as evil. And conversely, on the other side of the political party, on the other side of the aisle, if you wanted to be an attorney, it labeled you in a particular ilk. So the fact that bias could be impacting choice of profession is a very scary thing, particularly when we're talking about our justice system, because I believe that this is just a mirror of other institutions in our society. So, at the educational level, if we're creating bias and that bias is leading people to lean in a particular direction for how they would use their skillset in their careers, that's problematic because we need diversity of thought in every area. And the second thing that really brought this home was Twitter's code being released. And we knew that that was coming. They announced that they were going to open up the code and reading takes from people that read through the code.</p>
<p>I have not read through the code myself. So let me say that I can read code. I'm not an expert in it, but I do know how to read code. I haven't read it myself, but it really brought out and articulated the bias that's written into the code. Now, Twitter is not alone in this. We know, and we've talked about this for years, we've talked about bias and AI, we've talked about bias and algorithms. And so all of this led us to really start to think very deeply about, as communicators, we know that we already have to work to ensure that we are navigating our own inherent biases, and that we are ensuring that clients aren't operating with biases. But now we have this whole new layer where biases being systematized and institutionalized. And so what does that mean for us as communicators? How do we navigate these tricky new waters to be able to still communicate effectively to be able to articulate points, but to be nuanced so that we are not further amplifying the, the,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=eGayTYcBN4up3LMY_b1qOVjn59CJLwbdaK_cEoOBoBjn-sEMBljEma88t8QM1YM8wPtPT7FAdkyS6nUCdZyoE5wFi48&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=359.9'>05:59</a>):</p>
<p>the noise</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Av9M65kMEhb6NCvItShR5YvqKxGx2YplldRn3hRo0nP0W_riAqbG4Rw0CmUjLBX_PizelhgzwSpk3Tvt5kjvWZX9rvg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=361.64'>06:01</a>):</p>
<p> the noise, the polarization. Yes. That's really taken hold.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=eUyw6TbZMcp0n47WqPSMl0JnNtQrOAKlhU-MMdpW5DycsOxl7-CjmXD55r3z_G6HOBNcPv30-wR2hiYHXLxxF2imCn4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=365.63'>06:05</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think the first step is to be cognizant that it is taking hold in such a way, because especially as you said in the justice system, that's highly disturbing. I think, I hope it's not a completely lost art that we can assume a certain point of view in our work that is separate from whatever personal thoughts we may have. And I'm not talking about things that are just inherently right versus wrong. I mean, there are some things that are no, that should never be right,</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SPCdwzp9jc-Ab9G-DnR-I7JBzRSG2zdaO4U2fPCm-gQPPGy-6lkYvzLbYhBpvYxR9BSeK3JdEY4oujkyJbhXvThNszc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=403.43'>06:43</a>):</p>
<p>, yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fonLHl0ddmR_CrcOkPkk56Fo4FEnWIr-uyXcWFG4EixwrCFM9bzLFnK2io7xH-0HqTNeEld-sXKE3dQvF2hckIQ8Si0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=404.12'>06:44</a>):</p>
<p>But just in personal preferences or, do you call it purity tests of, well, if I disagree with this, you know, institution or group about this point, then I must act in this major way in every aspect of my life. I see that at the local level of, well, this organization is taking money to do this private thing, and I am now not going to go there anymore. And I'm thinking, at the cost of what you're going to damage the total economic development of a region, because of taking such a wide view, we really need to maintain nuance. And nuance has been slowly chipped away at for quite some time. I mean, I'm thinking even back to late nineties, early two thousands. And maybe even before that when I wasn't paying as much attention as I should have. And we really need to keep it front of mind and, and really be the bearers of how we need to think things through.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tDGB9cx3lWU10hh1Tuq705sHKIlTfFXQku8s6ursT0oOJpPPr2YfOlzeSVenGfxVgo7Es37WZM-DccFrKx_m31VifT8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=471.68'>07:51</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. And you know, I love language, I write, and part of my personal writing is I like to play with language, but what's been really apparent, and you're right, the shift is not overnight. I know that we love to tie this to a certain timeframe in our political history, but this has not been an overnight switch. We have always had this ability to weaponize language. And for as far back as man has existed, I mean, what is bullying? You know, it's really, sometimes the bullying is not physical. It's really verbal bullying. And so we have this ability to do this as human beings. And if you are working in an arena that is political, obviously you're going to adopt the language of your followers to speak to them.</p>
<p>But I find we tend to be very aggressive these days. And so there are now these code words that will signal whether you are progressive or liberal, conservative, whether you're a Democrat or a Republican. And I think that's awful because I truly, in my heart of heart believes, and it's funny, the Stanford law school op-ed said the same thing, that, most people are not us or them on campus. They're somewhere in that middle. And I believe that that's most of the country, but many people feel bullied into staying silent or trying to navigate these tricky waters so that they're not labeled either way. For many of us if you work with a technology company, you’re B2B, you’re B2C, you don't really care what political party people are. And you're not trying to speak to politics, you're trying to speak to your target audience, which comprises both sides of the aisle. One of the easiest things that you can do, obviously, is to not use those trigger words. I find it very troubling that now we have to restrict our language because some groups have adopted this as their mantras, their code words to signal that we're one of you. And I don't know how this mob mentality has just really taken over in such a negative and toxic way. But as communicators, we can't fall prey to it. Even if we belong to one of these parties, even if we are all in on that party, we cannot let that impact the work that we do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DDqcdNiGzjwb9-qDGM_Bc2zPzO08DuTsuqPTYvsU5BEhNDEBGMdZNIiyica6jIU8DZFIxmUx1jzefiLFIhOfeOCRBi8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=650.19'>10:50</a>):</p>
<p>A hundred percent. And, as communicators, I know for me, I am always -- from the beginning of when I started out in this profession -- always conscious of not just how words communicate, but everything you present. Everything communicates. And, it's heightened now, and to your point as well, most businesses I know, they want to serve everybody. Is your money green? Okay. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dBMAFU-Ya86seEpHuUydRwB6HXAPxOjQp2EpN8Hp_K45e_rdC9AnFMCB5fQPGAGtTjZ--aUrCGLt2rXEPD4csT6gX_8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=687.08'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>And, not to be confused with being values based because…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Jq4wo6QZc6UtaGXO9o3C152eiZZvA1mLxyaSyUjVpPq06m0pRS-go9us7gemuh5tYQ6QwVh9ggPblBljFMfo_uyWoJ4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=692.74'>11:32</a>):</p>
<p>Correct.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=jzO9Iinvnj2imZvQYvpvrltX5x2IT1AVE1e3SIhwl7sbs4upc0G9IwixJ4Ir6wlPJ181CH7TCnG8RXujGKSgKk8QohQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=694.02'>11:34</a>):</p>
<p>…I advocate for companies having a very clear North Star, for having a mission and a vision that shows up in every single part of the organization and is reinforced. So this is not being values-based. We're talking about being divisive and polarizing on purpose, unless that is your mission. And there are companies that do very much have that mission, different story. But even in those instances, when you are mission driven and it's in the political arena, and you are a social justice organization, I'm always a fan of communicating with clarity and not communicating to divide. Because, and this is just my personal viewpoint and, and I'm going to just say that this is opinion, it's not fact. But I truly believe that when we communicate with clarity, and we're not communicating to divide people, that it actually is stronger for whatever we're trying to achieve. Because where change really happens is when human beings can truly communicate and discuss with one another.</p>
<p>So when you set the table for not argument, but for thought and discussion, that's where you can really move the needle. And I think I've shared this story on this podcast before, and my apologies, I cannot remember what journalist wrote this, but he wrote about this whole phenomena, and he talked about when he was arguing with a cab driver in Israel and how they argued for like 30 minutes. And it was great because this was one-on-one discussion. They had different viewpoints, but at the end of the ride, they were able to shake hands and they both had learned something from the other and really come to an understanding of the other person's perspective. And each of them had, you know, changed their perspective slightly based on this discussion. But it was discussion. And so I think that if we can move away from inciting argument or simply communicating for agreement, communicating for validation, which is something very different for me.</p>
<p>And that's a skillset, and that's something that as a communicator, you may be called to do again, depending on the purpose of the communication and who your client is. But it's not where I believe that we should live. We should want to not necessarily validate, because you need to be clear and have your point of view and be able, again, to articulate that. But is there room for people to go, “Huh, never thought about that,” or, “Wow, that's really interesting.” Discussion creates memorable moments, right? Telling those stories in a way that people can relate to makes them remember the brand that you're actually talking about, or remember the person, the spokesperson. Those are all things that are important to our profession. And I am so afraid, and the reason that we really wanted to address this today is I think that we really need to have our eyes wide open and to begin to fight back on this thing that is taking hold in our society.</p>
<p>And it's getting deeper and deeper. And it just, it, it's frightening to me. It's frightening to me that one day we might see communicators who are only of one political party. Could that happen? Absolutely. It could. Because if we're educating people in a system that is being set up to create biases and to create us versus them, what does that mean for the future of every single profession on this earth? Does this mean that you now have to, will we see a future where if you have a certain set of belief systems politically, that you're going to have to seek out doctors who share that opinion because they're going to treat you differently?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=EJA8-RCXMXwSnx6NizHkwdsADYCuWEdiIRyB5jr5TR1eaGXkuA6BRxhJflJKdxMk6Rmo8QNTWu3qoEYt7iyNN3MigBc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=943.82'>15:43</a>):</p>
<p>That's already happening, isn't it?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ifdulZhkiNoWqnTWF5TWiPhCFg42iviw3LS7VgI3zP1IiI5Bs29YEab9C41QRUtsosDxxM-s-OQHEPMB7sInT4crf28&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=945.59'>15:45</a>):</p>
<p>I was going to say, yep. We already have bias in our healthcare system that Yes, we do. I mean, it just, this goes on and on and on. And some of this is already happening, and we can't dismiss this as a DEI and B agenda because it's not, it's not political inclusivity. It's human beings getting back to humanity and understanding how to talk to people. Not at them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Njydowma9xUN9ZQOeic2SrJ-T3hnMDuGb8BylTBF0lOWDpGo0rEptVd3KRf4jC9J5jst_ZV3FWXCB6Kn5iHf99P7Z54&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=974.18'>16:14</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And I think of the two pillars, purpose and intent, and I think we have to be laser focused as we craft our communications, as we discern what someone is communicating. What is their true purpose? What is their intent? Is it to be clear? Is it to be helpful? Is it to hopefully engage with a target audience? Or is it to create noise and argument, arguments and chaos. I have to bring the pop culture element into it. There was that scene with Michael Caine in Batman talking about the Joker. Some people just want to watch it all burn. And we have too much of that going on in our society. Too much of that rhetoric that is a lot of noise and it's a lot of grandstanding for personal gain. I think back to when Crossfire was still a thing and Jon Stewart was on  and they wanted him to be the comedy guy, and, and he laid into both sides and said, we just want the truth. That's all we want. And yes. Are we going to have different viewpoints about what truth is? Sure. We all have different experiences, but I think if we're all cognizant that this does exist, that your experience may not be the same as someone else's, that doesn't mean that they are wrong.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AcJQbOY3D322ZNUkl16jjgNsEJQiGSXGGnngl5Qf3FjKUqsSQkq3_8H_3K0V0vJsAk66U2Zvgy5mRUtRMvbH0OwkwMU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1066.52'>17:46</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ChsRW4mbpP_zQqGcSAYK-v_-KT-A_qznUiwzB6hv0h_hvDA--piWv66do2h355bxA0I7pd-vBaVgt1SuwRajhJBM0OA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1067.72'>17:47</a>):</p>
<p>Or that they're making it up.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KlIpe6jpxgKvq35XxLkm626oIxqFTZt--TZiseuY2jmWQ52-uZ_1tujSf6dGXHBsGNa8D79P4CghgVovDuGFIKIbAZw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1068.81'>17:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. Trust them. Yes. And this, to me, that bias can lead to judgment that's really unfair. And then you're writing off an entire swath of your audience that really could be valuable. And I hate to call it communicating to the middle, but really that's what it is. It's communicating to the middle. There's such beauty in that because being able to create environments and create communications that people can actually share and discuss regardless of where they fall on that spectrum is at the heart of human community. And we don't want to stay stuck in that silo, and we don't want to create silos. We want to invite people who think differently to show up, to participate, to engage, because we all are better when we're exposed to things that are a little bit different than maybe the way that we think, or even the way that we believe.</p>
<p>And so, I don't ever fear, I mean, it's, sometimes I'll see that, and I've been exposed to this where people are like, “How could you talk to these people?” Uh, because they're people. And because I learn something and because I see every human being as a human being, period. That's it. Do I see color? Of course I do, because I see the person. And so I see the things that this person represents, whether it's their ability or their race, their height, I see it all, but they're a human being, right? And so I operate from that perspective, and I think that we need to really take a step back and get back to the basics. But here's the great thing, once again, my public relations heroes. I am just continually proud to be in this job that is super challenging.</p>
<p>Let's face it, we have a very challenging job. We might not be rocket scientists and we might not have literal life and death at our fingertips most of the time. But our jobs are stressful, they're complex, they're needed, and we are just, we sit in a seat that brings with it so much honor, because day after day, I always think, my God, we truly have the opportunity to bring back humanity. We have this powerful gift of communication that cuts across every human experience. And I'm so proud of us who remain in this job, who do what we do, unsung most of the time.  Sometimes we don't even get a thank you for the work that we do, but Michelle and I want you to know that we see you.  We are so honored to be a part of you and to be a part of this community. And we think that you're rock stars. And I think, you know, it might sound super aspirational, but…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=BGzkvJNn0ixT9XsCE9JNXkol3IB4ZVH6V6RUN_w6x0pdrynlPZ-xjJKeq3yoGGZnkhNE6USkfgBil7jiLRNO5ngPXG8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.09'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Go for it.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=UIYjXJEbrd03aI9FONK9n8nHpfrAnKHFxT77eOKiuRRDnsIejIEcWxeAzOsgMiMc3rW-51CK3pDzL59-GdShZd-aHR8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.38'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>…we have the opportunity to change the world. I'm sorry, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SLuvMkp3ORMiTnsYvFl6NQLnKgArI0zrpPpJg7S2k34w1lE2M8b-80f-l5RoY9lIBqvYVzKPRx4tSjjkPyk7S_pNitc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1271.35'>21:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh no, a hundred percent. And along with what you're saying, it is our privilege to help communicate the value of each and every human being. Now, I know there are some dark corners of our industry that don't, that's okay. They can do their thing. But we're lucky we get to tell people’s stories. We get to tell the stories of companies and organizations and individuals that are all trying to make this a better place.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8SzygzmTnxfHfsZ6c58XHz1yIXMef5SGtRM4FuMXYz3viPRr3o2anzsmUqIL9U-pNK8DMfVcbMOh3w0ZmcFRjTYh_3I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1301.59'>21:41</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mZqt_AO0LLFMg_4-7SXDFzM4HEf3uyT4wTWTDzuwkcB8DgfHqngCAnW3eeBL-_U6INpSm1e3lDeAq2m1Xoss6G9RA9Y&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1302.7'>21:42</a>):</p>
<p>Which I know - bring out the flowers and the angels singing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=TRkzFGcEX5vWa3iqWGKfhboZlfdyxTuvs0Iv-v583joLEMcxdnrI-GDfy_WUPpZ6QnPXNasNhrYk_wzN36gFrr0KBjI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1307.56'>21:47</a>):</p>
<p>We help clients to connect to their customers and helping them to make money is not just a financial transaction, it's necessary. When we take that further, we are directly responsible for building things that feed families. The work that we do keeps people employed, it keeps commerce going. All of these things are necessary. But we also get the privilege of sitting back and thinking, wow, look at how I was so essential in communicating this client's story. And sometimes those stories are so powerful. When we do customer case studies or we're sharing things on behalf of nonprofits, you know that it's work that really speaks to the heart. But even if you're a B2B-er, like me, there's still so much to celebrate about how we help companies to see the world too. We are their eyes and their ears because we are not stuck in a corporate office looking at it through just the brand perspective. We bring in that broader perspective and help them see from a larger worldview.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=x9UacloMvUAcB8gNqLrFlPqOpCEjfd6Z-EbpZvv3mQjJKOGm2GZdbQv-ot8xKBTpDhUO87kgCEQVUSo4vArMliyLNjY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1385.44'>23:05</a>):</p>
<p>A way and a view that they might not even think of because they're focused on what they do. And I say that time and time again to clients that are trying to do this kind of work that we do on their own. It's like, no, you're too close to it. This is not your lane. I don't do your job . Speaking to many of us in the middle, I think it's that we see life rolling along. Everything's fine. We don't need to speak up. Sometimes, you do. Just to say, hey, you know, can we not have this layer of crazy going on? That would be super nice. The clouds, the clouds of chaos. Could they please disperse?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_yLJZBSLxhvxIZiHmeGi6RPmK3RLmGoNjlJysqmTOfCr8UsICLlEuA_sCfKe5obMkNSWAMgjoe4WOSJL4l_rqezkdOw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1433.56'>23:53</a>):</p>
<p>Here, here! You know, I have learned to coexist with them. Like, oh, hey,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hq5eI7yMt5H2XNWOKgw8balAsKdsjve8HMzX1Nlymx6VIH8saVPgy8PxRfEBtJk_LU54Dx-Lm36v-fLPBzPzY1-eL3g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1438.56'>23:58</a>):</p>
<p>. Oh, there you are. Have fun with that. Yes.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kyTjZ0aIO60jmDs-PvpZFwi2m1YyIUbzJ_nL4rDGtt0f0l-HW1xahV1BeYioFCTY5ejJ0YiyMX-iWm37s1NiJf_snTE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1443.8'>24:03</a>):</p>
<p>Well,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=sVDpts8kE01IPI_3PhBygz8Fq2Dn-bqOW9N7rkNo0HCb-A7JM0J37pezDhpa-z25LUu6qvYx0se0UnaCfOq-AX9dBgw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1444.65'>24:04</a>):</p>
<p>We hope this has been a valuable bit of time to listen to us go on about this topic. It's an important topic and it is something we need to always be vigilant in keeping our eyes open. And we hope you too are always seeking ways to expand your world. And if you do, please do share this around. We value that if you share this and also subscribe and tell everybody about this episode. And until next time, thanks for joining us on That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As communicators we are always aware of making sure we are navigating our own inherent biases. The same is true as we counsel our clients. But in today’s society there is whole new layer where biases are being systematized and institutionalized. What does this mean for us as communicators? How to we navigate these tricky waters while also honoring the nuance necessary for clear communication? We discuss this weighty topic in today’s episode.
 
Read the Washington Post Op-ed referenced in today’s episode.
 
Transcript
Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my ever steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim (00:17):
I'm great, Michelle. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:19):
Hi. I'm doing well, doing well. Spring has sprung and brought all the pollen with it, so apologies for any congestion you may hear, but that's okay, .
Karen Swim (00:31):
Yeah,
Michelle Kane (00:31):
It's worth it for the beauty . So yeah, I'm doing well and I'm excited about today's topic. It's pretty juicy, so we're going to try and keep it to our usual compact nugget as our audience can listen as they go about their day, we jokingly refer to ourselves as your walking partners, so yes. As you're on your daily walk, here we go. We're going to talk about institutional bias.
Karen Swim (00:59):
Yeah.
Michelle Kane (01:00):
I said it was juicy .
Karen Swim (01:03):
That's a weighty topic. I mean, we could, this is one of those topics that I love for us to be in a room together and just have like rich discussions about it. We really want to just talk about some of the things that we're seeing and reading, and at least put it on your mind to be thinking through, and having those discussions with other solos and industry leaders and clients, and really think about what this means for the future.
Michelle Kane (01:33):
Because, at the center of it, it speaks to what is the general truth, right? What are those things we can all agree on as a society and as our society continues to be polarized, how that can be really damaging in the short and long run. And the beauty of it is, as communicators, we can have a seat at this table, and yet again, help guide our clients, people in our sphere through these conversations. I know, Karen, you had brought up, there was an article on the Washington Post about, was it a Stanford law student? I think?
Karen Swim (02:19):
Yeah, so there were two things recently that in reading through them, really drove this home to me of the impact and the potential emerging trends. So one was this Washington Post article. It was an opinion piece from a Stanford law student that talked about how the very charged, polarized political environment has infiltrated the campus. And if you go to the Washington Post, there are actually several articles about this in law schools from another columnist as well. But this particular piece was again, an opinion. And this woman talked about how people are being forced into us versus them very much like the rest of the world. But where it got really interesting for me was how she described that when if you were of a certain political party, people expected you to be an attorney. And if you said that you wanted to be a prosecutor, you were bullied for it, ostracized, as this particular group saw this as evil. And conversely, on the other side of the political party, on the other side of the aisle, if you wanted to be an attorney, it labeled you in a particular ilk. So the fact that bias could be impacting choice of profession is a very scary thing, particularly when we're talking about our justice system, because I believe that this is just a mirror of other institutions in our society. So, at the educational level, if we're creating bias and that bias is leading people to lean in a particular dire]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>With ongoing inflation, interest rate hikes, and the failures of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank, we continue to navigate uncertain times. In this episode we talk about shoring up our communication with our clients and ways to work on your business development pipeline.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_SJGDYA6aH3JF4lke7ybprZQAc7EDOl7pqwGAZy5vHgkBFYDCJomHxJXlp6xSXmt-e_dGILWV6X53Lwf8iWj3ruhPeo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.1'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. I am Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and I'm here with my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=h4BK5uBHNiTQommxq_hmpGph1NzEgy_GriBaH4Vc6T2olFdyKqwpGKDgNq48RjsKMzoVmkYRISbjPigx51cY3qcJksI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.67'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>I'm great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kHelsYjupqUrXWt9c-4J7J3K2gzwHoTVNxvan4t430YBPbRPkM18TbJYwL96YofIYEFP2kqlvAA91u-IYRIpzAVCxAw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.32'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. Hey, you know, we're just flying along in this crazy little world, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=OLfOieONt3W7G1OvXaXzElo0jQRJ9iU5xWhTPMgERScbhntjBo5cDvvspT3IJlpm1EyLEaHS7OEowE-gJRBTvuW6esY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.03'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>We're rolling along, changing as we go, making it up, figuring it out.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=YzMtNq2natD3kb0N9o1SZZhTh5AaJ5qjxLnsmO2ASrdiy5f9GpM1C2Gs7aloIm4W3knBQ_5EBXUU--GXSVyGiSJwTeg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.27'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, that's, the beauty of being a PR pro. And you know, every day we wake up to the news, we peek our eyes out from under the covers and think. “What's happening out there?” And today we're going to talk about the financial world. Ooh, but as we are recording this, on the date we're recording this, the Fed is considering whether or not to pop up those interest rates again. Yay. But you know, as I'm sure all of our listeners know, we've had some bank failures and there has comes along with that some angst. I think we still kind of have a trauma from 2008 sticking in our bones and it's just bringing back some of those feelings of “ooph…”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zK5liqvFSEofFPQdRGBBBT65DSzItJV8fgY91Y9d2Fd9SchJJjV9_PNeldq4s_1AQ6T_kFVvEgvVNbt5EqN9wsMvnkQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=77.67'>01:17</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. For those of us who are around and remember that, but even if you weren't yet in business or were not yet operating, or maybe you were still in school back then and you're new to the working world. There are some things that we can learn from the recent bank failures. First of all, I think one thing that we can learn from a communication standpoint is what not to do. And I think that because we counsel clients, maybe many of you had some clients with ties to those banks, so it's really important. And then I had clients that didn't have ties, but for all clients, I said the same thing, it's better to control the message before the message controls you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=WpFDNVgd7ifI7rVxSO_khgs-Rehr7vZSJvHuwKY4Zehq4RQA6Ml_zUbz-xfRCyedEBciw0uZDhYLHk0URI-f4lXnXmE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=137.7'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Always.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=UfCZ-XuNVbm8za6tgJZYCdaz6T6X3WtXhtXG8kGcsQyyaebhCsFBUyFz-ht2NdAkMfd-TEktSkql5quhpRy9_IBSp00&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=138.51'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>So, something this widespread, we talk about, we have this decision grid about when to weigh in on issues of the day. But something like this is definitely a place where I think it does not hurt at all to communicate it to key stakeholders, even if you're not affected by saying, “Hey, this recent news is very troubling and unsettling. We want you to know that we are not impacted by the SVP Bank failure nor by First Republic.” If you're not impacted, it's good to say that because this type of challenge is something that hits just everyone. It's going to, you know, employees are going to wonder, “Oh my God, do we have money in these banks? Is it going to affect payroll?” Your investors want to know that you've got a handle on this, your potential investors, your customers want to know that you are fine and that you're not going to be making moves out of frenzy and in response to this, but that you're okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9dG27GCYD_k7zb1BcNrHClAEvoNt0Vqk7GO1Y9kEofiId2ALg80TgansEEc8cOI9Hik3_0URQFuLZVgtU0PG6Nen5bg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=207.91'>03:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=uJH5IPTZLN8ppXAhqkOe_vGFIJKseokE-SSv58IGJkvoVt_109I0GYoxomvKpJ23XbLKUwpSx_TXON9F9xr6xtIc5Bk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=208.75'>03:28</a>):</p>
<p>And if you are affected, communicate with a plan about what you plan to do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=HRixMNazTRISaPb7bbB4-k9pO17rsKPVj9hSBcpJja9Fh1rRHejI3JMpDhdILIUjmmQhLcYQVP6u9PzssFO0Ao0QfWI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=213.01'>03:33</a>):</p>
<p>Right. I mean, that's basic PR 101. It's take control of the messaging. And I give kudos, of course, I wasn't privy to what local companies were saying but I know the banks in our region did a wonderful job - the very next morning, making statements of we're, we're good, we're solvent. That was different because X, Y, Z, you can rest assured… They just did the right thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=77aH0wcZTJ1a-13pYFTcEvsQTKzdWabRFPPGRx9pVEIwipkAcvOkWvlfmK9U4BIZLANRPswUT-HccgWGXbtE2JL0CwQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=241.76'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>I think it also brings up the question - I had providers that I utilize that were impacted. And I immediately got messages that what I utilized them for would not be affected. But it really, that's good. You know, there's just been a lot of uncertainty and this financial part adds to it because I had to question - I did not know prior to this where all of my clients banked, where their money was parked. And it brings up a point like, here's one more stress test that we need to follow. And it's not so much even knowing where they bank, but having some failsafe to protect your income.  So I know some people that were personally impacted by delays in payments because of these bank failures. Could you absorb a delay in payment?  For how long could you absorb that delay? Do you have anything in your contract that is a protection? Do you have conversations with your clients about the realities of life? And are you documenting those in your contract? Because again, it brings up one more issue that we have to make sure that we guard against. And I'm all for making sure that you build a cushion that can carry you through any crisis. Whether it is several clients cutting off contracts at once, client organizations failing, bank failures, whatever it is, you not being able to work, have a cushion. And no judgment on you today if you do not have that. Because so many small businesses in America are operating on very, very thin margins. So there's no judgment. But I am saying that for all of us, we need to stockpile even more.</p>
<p>And if that means thinking about, “Hmm, are there creative ways that I can build revenue? What can I do to extend that may not even be client work? Or where do I need to adjust my strategy for new clients? Should I be raising my rates?” You really need to start thinking about that in stockpiling, because it's not going to get better out here, , and we're in a climate where it's not going to get better for the general public. And I wanted to correct that because for solos, and it's interesting that I just saw a Forbes piece that we'll be talking about in the future that talks about PR being a recession-proof business. I want to encourage every single public relations professional out there that we have the ability to thrive in these times.</p>
<p>So I want you to just keep that message in your head. If you need to write it on post-it notes and post it around your office, do that. Because it's easy to fall into the trap of feeling like we're just like everybody else. We're not going to be laid off. You need to get ahead though of how your clients are thinking. Because this creates an environment of anxiety. Clients are nervous, organizations are nervous. They're looking at their balance sheets. The Fed is nervous because do they let inflation just continue to like be at a level that is higher? Because traditionally inflation sits at around 2% and do they want it to go to 4%? That's going to make people super nervous, or do they want to raise interest rates to kind of put a tap on it? Then if they raise the interest rates, banks are further impacted because of their investments. Which is what happened to these banks. Their investments were impacted by the high interest rate. So they had less money and they have less money in reserve. So it's like you're choosing between two evils and they can't solve both things at one time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=WB1ji4HKjyZb_h6IJiZOHSXr3vm0ByOkFDatpSuf3QiZ772-1rFmfErte3sj0U4_3epLUtGGx4bCJZMKFCIx0oOvdow&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=501.92'>08:21</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think the thing that we need to focus on, like you said, it's definitely bringing uncertainty as an unwanted guest to the table, which I don't know if this is going to make us feel any better, but it's certainly one thing I learned as I had to create this business, was even if you're employed by someone - that direct deposit, it feels certain but it's not certain.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Wi4fcPYvmY7w9_gpJ2Rz0YfIDlcNgSGYuZFbP9HGVFn7Jc_zOtOWidWOlRjiIm9LQhY2p48JhQEHksX9fHVdO2U7Sug&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=535.83'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. We live with uncertainty without even acknowledging it because there are certain risks that we've just accepted as normal, so we don't see them as a risk. But, you know, we want to give you, and we're not financial advisors. You need to talk to your financial advisors. .</p>
<p>So this is not, you know, I think we're supposed to disclose that or, you know, make that clear so that we don't get in trouble. We're not financial advisors, but we're business people that are sharing some strategies. So here are some immediate things that you can do as you're doing your pulse checks with your clients. Do not be afraid to ask, “Hey, we're in a really crazy, chaotic time economically. How are you feeling about that? And what strategies are you all doing to make sure that you can weather this?” Think about how you can help them to hit their goals. Because again, you want to be a problem solver. And so avoiding the conversation can mean that you get hit with surprises later on. Addressing this with your clients brings things to the forefront. And if they're thinking about cutting back, you can help them. You can guide them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8neoTV6kk1kKMrU7BEEqNQLU7lacLsFIhVU5juwxcKoziPVBIJxJhV9Mkz1gOMXocFMJP8OA5qsLt7KjVPNbKAxaBQo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=613.44'>10:13</a>):</p>
<p>There's something important you said in that, and since the pandemic, it's likely that you're kind of in this mode because hopefully you've been counseling your clients through this. Because, that was a major drop off of “Oh my gosh, we're all paralyzed.” And okay, well how did you guide them through that? You should have hopefully kept that conversation going, of “How are things? How can we better address, how can we change our tactics? Do we need to pivot in any direction?” So please don't, don't think, oh my gosh, I have to have a big conversation.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DWsA36Pq4RSDnJ3DpcjTms8GYz9l-zEhxyyRXAeecX8efOYm9ZHvF8tRBRpPALkqdjn12zZ3CYUdwA1ae8twpPkp9Gc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=652.56'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's not a, it's a big - I'm a female, so I'm using the term girl. I identify as girl - it's a big girl conversation that you, we all should be having, right? You need to have these conversations. Sometimes we shy away from talking about money with our clients, and sometimes we're afraid to have the big conversations because we're afraid of the answers. But let me tell you something, it is so much better to be empowered with information. So these conversations can yield clues about the certainty of your contract. And those are things that you want to address early on. Another tip is if a client says, “Well, you know, we're thinking about, or we're planning on bringing PR in-house…” Respond with, “That's great, client! That's fantastic. We've seen the best results when there are resources internally that can focus on these things with the support of an agency to do that. What were you thinking in terms of how that would look?” Guide them, make some suggestions? A lot of times I've seen people be in the situation and simply throw down the flag and go into, you know, they’re outlaws. So their mind immediately is like, okay, well we have three months. We have 60 days, we have 30 days, and then they're looking for more business. But you didn't even try to pivot this conversation and influence it by holding onto at least some of the business. Your budget may get cut, but wouldn't you rather have a budget that's cut where you stood up for yourself and maybe your scope for doing the same work? Your budget is cut because the scope is lower, is a lot better than losing the entire revenue. And so again, it's all about these conversations that we have to get comfortable having and not just be so quick to react. So if you're already thinking about these things and addressing them proactively, then you're not in reactionary mode where you're like - and, let me tell you, it is not fun to lose a client even when it has nothing to do with your work. They're not unhappy. It's painful. There's a little bit of like, you know, you're,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AwAd2uZXPAPdVUnI0i7jxUJr3gVCY1wzp4BeLymlTtlvmYZNhETXXEGa81r_mbXF4u674TtuCVIiBfNupnKTpNp3NdU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=798.01'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, of course there is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wE36qE2Oq6PfEqG6uIu10nVeCRcVA5DGve9jA2DFlbokbIqtocFEFbao0qGxHZUHMbjbzjyQbUn_HjBXgjMzykpmSvs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=799.69'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>You need to mourn a little bit. Yeah. So we want you to not ever be in that position. Yeah. But to always be operating from a place of strength because you're prepared.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=x6Y6mqtTbB5UdxW6tJRbUHUeigzxFNAg8nQcryLUHlS1p28WYOjmji7V1P58Iu24TuCTFC3uf8iqMaeqLoP46IYOEX4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=809.68'>13:29</a>):</p>
<p>And, I think by having that conversation, if a client's considering going completely in house, even by reminding them of the value that you bring, that knowledge will stay with them and you'll still be maintaining that relationship because I would say nine times out of 10, they will find they need you to some extent. Yeah.  ideally, but, it is like a mourning because business is relationship nowhere more than in our profession. Because you become a member of their team, you become your client's champion, so that's something to both value and it doesn't feel so great when it ends.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hF1DTG2VNfnoUcCl0Yu3_yJ9xnZsqzfclnUv6gCzAuh44elrkeMqv8eiVMPzyXBvep_fcJwQG1NKzh9V8bYxiX-0mIE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=859.66'>14:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It doesn't, even for the best of reasons and let's face it, we have had many of us over the years, maybe some of you recently have had clients to cancel your contract and make up reasons that they did so because they're uncomfortable saying it's a financial issue. But we know it is. We know the signs are always there. And this is the thing that I say to people about layoffs. They really don't come out of nowhere. You just have to know how to look for those bread crumbs and spot them. And here's the funniest thing. We see the breadcrumbs, we ignore them because it's easier to just not look at them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PaA2JQFpM1kmR2XDkPGek6GigRZs-oxxpPe2yRBSEIV0wGwyAyGW-Jsy14ec7SkFU3R2lUUq8o91BuiB0IknOzGg-ZU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=903.41'>15:03</a>):</p>
<p>Reality.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dtqm4V15hB4AGVbrMlp7_KgoY8ZE5X6Aqs5LDwAuEEY6MnLzZ2m631LyCcjrIwRT0XBXKWQv0cgpf0K8nBZrBwh8pRg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=904.01'>15:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I'm going to work today. We do that with clients too. We see the signs. We're smart, we see them. But we'd rather not pay attention to them because we don't want to deal with it. And that's human nature. But you've got to fight against that. And look at it so that you are not caught off guard.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=U1SGltWazEzcN9NkgdUDed7p8osAXUzNm2Sqrpg7kKoGKjIWub6RrCLB6BA2Y73r-A91xIha47onvOaeGqAj1uXbhcQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.28'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And it also brings us back to the drumbeat of always, always, always be in business development mode. Always. And you know, it's funny, people ask me, does belonging to this, did it ever get your business? And you know, okay, first of all, I don't usually lead that way because that's too transactional to me. But, it could be a super slow burn. It could take 10 years, but eventually you get to know the right people and the timing is right. So when we say always be in business development mode, it doesn't mean you're, you know, in…what's the word I'm looking for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=knyRqj_pI1W4QEdMJXFIKOT0UJj4p9PRNVXXpre7jUIALeu-e584uT3bEeJx4FnSqCvk421WMwZq42buhwzM-OGhsg0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=972.53'>16:12</a>):</p>
<p>That you're closing a client every like 10 days, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=VU5ayfqvWgErdex_GgYgujHJklDKqnVvH9VpmWJ-oA1LzNBWsk_jWGpjBCqHMahSpwCAq6crHsJRLpYpldVUdalAhgQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=976.2'>16:16</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And you're not like, like scattered like, oh my gosh!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CDVz4egPluemcC14m59rvd7tLADROaSup16w4UVBW28vPoRm4cmEw-9MOJheegWt6PTOqQavSFhDpyNhBSbKikITBLI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=978.83'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>This means that you need to always have a full pipeline.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=gCfg37DcT3DbWcQcbFUi0QtLSVtTedc41lepxh9vXtnvJKXfFCXelbP9XkCX-hGZmNKKFmRlbqvhcCG2eYGdZB53Ec0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=981.84'>16:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yPf1Brp7XSI7u9ZuJdO3bAmWn7S7FoGH5m7yco0RSvfe_k8d7Wr5PJoaLcxkq1B5Yt4_SwEdehtV0dl6jAGkcmrfatQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=982.91'>16:22</a>):</p>
<p>Many years ago, my then and now client, MBO Partners just imparted such wisdom on that by encouraging solo business owners to have a full pipeline because a full pipeline meant that you had choice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=87hE5Hw8-D6BOh6DuOcHhuwZNtHFXrh6QES8iVqBKZFqcWvJICKeSQPXyM6vHnDsZcIeox-4VJd4Fe_MLis3NxpJhKo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1000.79'>16:40</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I love that.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kZT6X5w-RV_qEYFrfRSk3M-nyMpxH08TREFvRVqsVuPh5gcmVwQFauRBCyTJdLmpZbEufE1otDvqRDzhDWyhVDGB304&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1001.87'>16:41</a>):</p>
<p>You started your business because you wanted choice. You wanted freedom. You wanted the freedom to choose how you work, who you work with. The way that you protect that freedom is by ensuring that your pipeline is always full. You should never, ever, ever put yourself in a position where a loss puts you in frenzy mode. Like, oh my God, now you're rushing around and you're checking LinkedIn and you're doing all these things. If you do a little every day, and if you're always keeping yourself open for clients, if you're always checking in with your network, if you're always marketing your services, then you should have people in various stages of your pipeline all the time. And to your point, Michelle, one of my most favorite past clients is somebody that it took a year. One year. And here's the funny thing, three companies later</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vt-zkYnbqJH1oyC3nrD5zzjZpTD-zqHTltd9Zm7SwvlSrfWcC-zMvWvIlCAdTlTcFSEr0jhQMB_j5xGJ-0bAy1LRBhQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1057.79'>17:37</a>):</p>
<p>,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0rrEwaRx0gOnt6rcBB-swmZFp7-X7BEEWxRP-6oFU4j2EQILa2NTrRXx15y8X89ihZxE4a7ZZkOKwZw__sXOAKvYmz4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1058.63'>17:38</a>):</p>
<p>Three companies later to land an account. But you want to know what? Not only was that an amazing account, but after they were acquired, they have been - and not just one person from that company, all the entire team that we work with, all the executives have been a continual source of referrals for us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k9ikIMuv-4VLeL3BVp9PSrMm9AR_I1lS5i8_uuaSm9ahReF-llb2dZJ9k2rbMK-CHyXoV3dOWiUNw8TeSfD9WkJP5XY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1077.5'>17:57</a>):</p>
<p>See?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kTVqGEZ2bauDpHQCsaRCbxEUsUI21R_KDv5_kVr4BMjxrHMg5au6fhAonbfQJTrpAJdJQJOAmX7WpkGu2kuzGww7UHU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1078.68'>17:58</a>):</p>
<p>Unprompted just, they are the most beautiful client ever. So don't be afraid of spending time to cultivate relationship over a period of time. Because as you said, sometimes it takes a while.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7jqQADz5S7_xkjLU6C3c7eAl15YRqj21oJUVpIDWNITVL9vbx_MfAWhSdGtcdtygytvALgZYUwkoxoDLpr2o8a_U14Q&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1091.31'>18:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=oBmXc6q_Jcjran6u6rmd5U3kw4quXDCmY44JfNTjTpe3Zn5LFsg1AVMya4h_EzK2qAsBTMkwYOY30tVIzwJESN2yV4g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1092.22'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>But that doesn't mean it's over.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mf5-_uuMrtxjIku_9LUcWvAthAwavjgC-WfJi7tg0_fvqsSzRfeYtU9wzIh5-FLnzkhOzf9-U2hyDaOoBGDXoQ7_QkQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1094.1'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And there is a beauty in what you just said too. You may think, “Ooh, if I could just work with that person or that company.” Sometimes it's who they know. So take the time to get to know people, even if it's justto touch base or congratulate them on something all the way up to, you know, Hey, let's grab a cup of coffee sometime, I'd love to learn more about what you're into. That definitely helps. So all these little touch points, and I know it can feel overwhelming. Trust. Some days I sit here and I'm like, oh my gosh, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CUPt457SjNjeEHsjf85a3WiH3RYdI9Jmv0MA-EVJDHvwAiyJ9KyF42uFgaKbl8znxFo75YSGYzbQ1oT5t0Ob87GKjYE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1136.07'>18:56</a>):</p>
<p>Here’s where social media can also be a beautiful thing. I don't believe that posting on LinkedIn doesn't have a return. It does. Even if you don't do it a lot, I'm not a big LinkedIn person, but I just had an opportunity come up because of posts that I put on LinkedIn. When I felt like posting, I just did. I am the worst social media person ever. I'm just going to admit that I'm horrible because it just, I don't like it anymore. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I2nxG68Dl82ELOu3udpNoWb2LHjvAkPz5MRMtdYLUeM5RzNKxwn-4eqXarQ-IqZULLhFXhvnjWFrI_uPsSt7Qw_2bl0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1173.33'>19:33</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think a lot of us feel that way. It's work. And I realize, when I look at my accounts personally, I don't post that much because ugh, I do it all day.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0p7dYJX82kDSe4PwwJ8zHEd1rsRt2VXfCPbG2gwtxrHCuKC3l7opkNa4-Qn0YzkJNM_Nj9E0FJA2VavQJm9tA6ie8Jg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1186.6'>19:46</a>):</p>
<p>It’s just not fun.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=y44trXCiL9yI3mth6iDf_1BU2blKwya1p-4kan_UtKsA3DaouObfF-AaxfSpoGl62ZIfvl_dFRFl4a4YVvlzsl_EwwY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1194.24'>19:54</a>):</p>
<p>Well, we all go through phases, right? But then there's other ways that you cultivate your relationships.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=cGg3i7fRpRBWwvNupO4uwB7WrjFukMnVrSnse48oKPWg4xfGn1Cu1-yGiVDtITW6lZ66OqyQ3lXruCOMCnroP_ypsJY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1199.75'>19:59</a>):</p>
<p>This doesn't mean that you have to, like, I'm not a fan of wasted time. I am not that girl. I'm not the girl who's going to do a whole bunch of in-person coffee dates. I'm not the person who's going to go to every networking meeting. I'm not doing that. That's just not my personality, not my style, doesn't line up with how I manage my time. However, there are things that you can do that may seem a little more passive, but that actually can produce, and that is putting content out there. Writing bylined articles for your target audience. I cannot say this enough. PR people, we love to write for PR publications. Stretch yourself and write for where your clients read.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fkm_bBScxybPQUJuP2Ovt2W19Ad9g-oaPP9vvt5LstZMbQ97G1yZ1eGiTKO0evxkf_Gwl-42tJ22BMmnHi26Z0z1hrE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1240.68'>20:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So true. So true. Be the answer to the problem your clients have.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tfb_xRYtQI6LQqQMCc8wuj17WVwymiwjwBleBvdIHY7S6JAubkKLP4jN7H2LxIrXeW1Vwe27d4l6oMEL-D_g2Obo3aI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1250.2'>20:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I6gG3M-VHbM1fALZPsWSu0bP9I4JkfDr4RnIDbyGO5VcsYBWuLySrDa4KAcE_alCoV_vKAEop8-MhpcH7FSzVw1E0es&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1250.44'>20:50</a>):</p>
<p>Be there, be that resource already. And when they are ready to take action, you hopefully will be top of mind because you've positioned yourself to be top of mind.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CLFZeKCavzZb6Sf-uSYUxh2B86s6flnwSfazg4Ja0ak0kO_E5eWv5gBbyHG_mG77t6MALgpGhEKgTE3-K83Rf6EpnTc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1263.63'>21:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. If you're going to talk PR, don't make an inside baseball.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7d8LBgGGnvoqV77Cbbo_WABrRwv9hB8wmcQa3qLQbD9gLavIXI1UEPMJ8cF-zlmQq-eCcKvbI1rgugzSQkikB_PTiY4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.27'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=QsubMGwGCPjU3_5W5K_CFJFqJ1PYyvoWrw4N4tSbGba-F4evQYWIhfeEhmw6NwaATU2OoyBagDxiwb_lPjxVuOI9rzs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.13'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that, by the way, if PR people are your target audience. And by the way, it's good to talk about these issues with other PR people, but in terms of your marketing, you want to be mindful that you are talking PR to your target audience. Who do you have as a client? Can you talk PR in their language? Can you tell them things that they may not know that will be helpful to them? Because people really do pay attention. And I know that we all think that we're this one little person and the big old sea of all of this information and all of these articles and all of these reels and videos and YouTube channels and podcasts. But you still matter. You do. And what you have to say has value, and it doesn't have to be so mind-blowingly different.</p>
<p>Don’t put these obstacles in front of you. You're, and I know some of you are sitting there like, well, everybody talks about that. And are people listening to everybody? Somebody's listening to everybody.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9jM4-Yo5rICJXndOm_oMkRhATyjGi_jKMz4N8QEy2yxMbUEDLWS9pU_ckpgqxS2-G8cMA6sEknaK7xGkJUnaN9nYQaM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1331.76'>22:11</a>):</p>
<p>. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=LFKcJUioBvCfGvbLuP0YtkbyF26bSWeRw6mzt8ZBqGgN6827kSg5WtsBxj-nj1V4O_nlTOPfo4S3F0xdc3LgFG6pJV4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1332.53'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>We don't need everybody to listen to you. You just need to say it in a way that resonates with a few people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ixOP7QYmUs4mnktRwnh_doThOTXQUULo_Jkfpa5kW884yEofOYxdWvvsFxjrDdmuUAv46JVBO1K-5mu-kdiCPwJ_Kk4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1338.34'>22:18</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And those are the people that are going to want to work with you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n5J-APOvwEutwCr-4vNwSR4FNE0p8HgbVYRQ-Azhgkh36jY5gGhJ2MSckMC2E2lUPjdsU64OjNh7eD0UW3PHf4Hzejg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1343.24'>22:23</a>):</p>
<p>Because you said it in a way that resonated with them. I don't know where we get this idea that only one person can do something. You know, how many brands of toilet paper are there when you go to the grocery store?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wuOS4WP7QvvFDOenIkWk6BvIYcSY_6XguXyY5hURQzCdI2Ia88NnE158cqK57VV4EhXa-P5t1-B-5_-OsYylS7DnV8Q&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1355.2'>22:35</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=GUNni9seZdmcPyISYPTKdF55efvxBAMvweOocNyWTB6pfRWuygkUiQnuAyZiprMKFzGxnTfaZ_AyWD0gWML2rG_53u4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1356.12'>22:36</a>):</p>
<p>We're all there for a reason.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rsBo8dh0ML7bzGC4Ufzwe_wGiMR2_fyyDTYc7TiyRAl3zowMf5Vh-4zbvSQe_4ITx1EUSkIedRn_cHfDB6Ysp2L15fI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1360.21'>22:40</a>):</p>
<p>This is true. Or even, why does anyone write songs anymore? If there are only so many notes in a scale? We could do this all day. We could, but, at the end of it, be strategic. And we said this before on here, treat yourself as a client, hire yourself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CvqvF12z8LWyRS5vsLaCRadJ8WiFwjfUwIe7mNOE-2bxYwPIlElHF8JWnsWH_2IsW8-AIWM9dC7KdKYLhreyDgBgbR8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1378.87'>22:58</a>):</p>
<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=XIF9CnO2PipCqNvOStyOIeQBUQwi__MobZOV_UKMhB_MUkBwaxlZi_bt0hYVpNzmy5oEyCcCtpXnQm-aeBoIxq3Omiw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1379.74'>22:59</a>):</p>
<p>And I think you will, we know you're smart, we know you're savvy. We know you can weather anything because hey, we're all still here. We've been through things and we're still here. So if anything, take that with you and we hope we've inspired you today. If we have, please subscribe so you don't miss a thing. Share it around with your friends and colleagues. I mean, there's content you can share. That was, that was pretty shameless, wasn't it? But that's okay. ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=u9wFZYLOXRb5CQ3P7hkftuYtlEYkxahb5Z9syaOvLuwXmx2AKeKc09t2wqUhxAvd3Zsnl2C-rVRSvBc9qCcL1aTqJyE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1406.77'>23:26</a>):</p>
<p>When we share this and we love to hear from you. So add your thoughts to it, say “They talked about this, here's my advice.” Disagree with us, because that'll be awesome. We learn from that too. But the key point is please share our stuff,  </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rvGm5AFKI6WIZBiimbZ4nB7QqI627ktAeA9Y1YguCsQ0-8PRyo2aZviI3kkEe2tpIKtjFb7KOwyfJyNo4EoGXkP7fJo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1425.55'>23:45</a>):</p>
<p>In case we weren't subtle enough. But, well, we thank you for spending this time with us. We know everyone's time is so valuable these days. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With ongoing inflation, interest rate hikes, and the failures of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank, we continue to navigate uncertain times. In this episode we talk about shoring up our communication with our clients and ways to work on your business development pipeline.</p>
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<p>Transcript</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_SJGDYA6aH3JF4lke7ybprZQAc7EDOl7pqwGAZy5vHgkBFYDCJomHxJXlp6xSXmt-e_dGILWV6X53Lwf8iWj3ruhPeo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=2.1'>00:02</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. I am Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and I'm here with my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=h4BK5uBHNiTQommxq_hmpGph1NzEgy_GriBaH4Vc6T2olFdyKqwpGKDgNq48RjsKMzoVmkYRISbjPigx51cY3qcJksI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.67'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>I'm great. How are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kHelsYjupqUrXWt9c-4J7J3K2gzwHoTVNxvan4t430YBPbRPkM18TbJYwL96YofIYEFP2kqlvAA91u-IYRIpzAVCxAw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=19.32'>00:19</a>):</p>
<p>I'm good. Hey, you know, we're just flying along in this crazy little world, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=OLfOieONt3W7G1OvXaXzElo0jQRJ9iU5xWhTPMgERScbhntjBo5cDvvspT3IJlpm1EyLEaHS7OEowE-gJRBTvuW6esY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=26.03'>00:26</a>):</p>
<p>We're rolling along, changing as we go, making it up, figuring it out.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=YzMtNq2natD3kb0N9o1SZZhTh5AaJ5qjxLnsmO2ASrdiy5f9GpM1C2Gs7aloIm4W3knBQ_5EBXUU--GXSVyGiSJwTeg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.27'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, that's, the beauty of being a PR pro. And you know, every day we wake up to the news, we peek our eyes out from under the covers and think. “What's happening out there?” And today we're going to talk about the financial world. Ooh, but as we are recording this, on the date we're recording this, the Fed is considering whether or not to pop up those interest rates again. Yay. But you know, as I'm sure all of our listeners know, we've had some bank failures and there has comes along with that some angst. I think we still kind of have a trauma from 2008 sticking in our bones and it's just bringing back some of those feelings of “ooph…”</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zK5liqvFSEofFPQdRGBBBT65DSzItJV8fgY91Y9d2Fd9SchJJjV9_PNeldq4s_1AQ6T_kFVvEgvVNbt5EqN9wsMvnkQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=77.67'>01:17</a>):</p>
<p>Well, yeah. For those of us who are around and remember that, but even if you weren't yet in business or were not yet operating, or maybe you were still in school back then and you're new to the working world. There are some things that we can learn from the recent bank failures. First of all, I think one thing that we can learn from a communication standpoint is what not to do. And I think that because we counsel clients, maybe many of you had some clients with ties to those banks, so it's really important. And then I had clients that didn't have ties, but for all clients, I said the same thing, it's better to control the message before the message controls you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=WpFDNVgd7ifI7rVxSO_khgs-Rehr7vZSJvHuwKY4Zehq4RQA6Ml_zUbz-xfRCyedEBciw0uZDhYLHk0URI-f4lXnXmE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=137.7'>02:17</a>):</p>
<p>Always.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=UfCZ-XuNVbm8za6tgJZYCdaz6T6X3WtXhtXG8kGcsQyyaebhCsFBUyFz-ht2NdAkMfd-TEktSkql5quhpRy9_IBSp00&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=138.51'>02:18</a>):</p>
<p>So, something this widespread, we talk about, we have this decision grid about when to weigh in on issues of the day. But something like this is definitely a place where I think it does not hurt at all to communicate it to key stakeholders, even if you're not affected by saying, “Hey, this recent news is very troubling and unsettling. We want you to know that we are not impacted by the SVP Bank failure nor by First Republic.” If you're not impacted, it's good to say that because this type of challenge is something that hits just everyone. It's going to, you know, employees are going to wonder, “Oh my God, do we have money in these banks? Is it going to affect payroll?” Your investors want to know that you've got a handle on this, your potential investors, your customers want to know that you are fine and that you're not going to be making moves out of frenzy and in response to this, but that you're okay.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9dG27GCYD_k7zb1BcNrHClAEvoNt0Vqk7GO1Y9kEofiId2ALg80TgansEEc8cOI9Hik3_0URQFuLZVgtU0PG6Nen5bg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=207.91'>03:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=uJH5IPTZLN8ppXAhqkOe_vGFIJKseokE-SSv58IGJkvoVt_109I0GYoxomvKpJ23XbLKUwpSx_TXON9F9xr6xtIc5Bk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=208.75'>03:28</a>):</p>
<p>And if you are affected, communicate with a plan about what you plan to do.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=HRixMNazTRISaPb7bbB4-k9pO17rsKPVj9hSBcpJja9Fh1rRHejI3JMpDhdILIUjmmQhLcYQVP6u9PzssFO0Ao0QfWI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=213.01'>03:33</a>):</p>
<p>Right. I mean, that's basic PR 101. It's take control of the messaging. And I give kudos, of course, I wasn't privy to what local companies were saying but I know the banks in our region did a wonderful job - the very next morning, making statements of we're, we're good, we're solvent. That was different because X, Y, Z, you can rest assured… They just did the right thing.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=77aH0wcZTJ1a-13pYFTcEvsQTKzdWabRFPPGRx9pVEIwipkAcvOkWvlfmK9U4BIZLANRPswUT-HccgWGXbtE2JL0CwQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=241.76'>04:01</a>):</p>
<p>I think it also brings up the question - I had providers that I utilize that were impacted. And I immediately got messages that what I utilized them for would not be affected. But it really, that's good. You know, there's just been a lot of uncertainty and this financial part adds to it because I had to question - I did not know prior to this where all of my clients banked, where their money was parked. And it brings up a point like, here's one more stress test that we need to follow. And it's not so much even knowing where they bank, but having some failsafe to protect your income.  So I know some people that were personally impacted by delays in payments because of these bank failures. Could you absorb a delay in payment?  For how long could you absorb that delay? Do you have anything in your contract that is a protection? Do you have conversations with your clients about the realities of life? And are you documenting those in your contract? Because again, it brings up one more issue that we have to make sure that we guard against. And I'm all for making sure that you build a cushion that can carry you through any crisis. Whether it is several clients cutting off contracts at once, client organizations failing, bank failures, whatever it is, you not being able to work, have a cushion. And no judgment on you today if you do not have that. Because so many small businesses in America are operating on very, very thin margins. So there's no judgment. But I am saying that for all of us, we need to stockpile even more.</p>
<p>And if that means thinking about, “Hmm, are there creative ways that I can build revenue? What can I do to extend that may not even be client work? Or where do I need to adjust my strategy for new clients? Should I be raising my rates?” You really need to start thinking about that in stockpiling, because it's not going to get better out here, , and we're in a climate where it's not going to get better for the general public. And I wanted to correct that because for solos, and it's interesting that I just saw a Forbes piece that we'll be talking about in the future that talks about PR being a recession-proof business. I want to encourage every single public relations professional out there that we have the ability to thrive in these times.</p>
<p>So I want you to just keep that message in your head. If you need to write it on post-it notes and post it around your office, do that. Because it's easy to fall into the trap of feeling like we're just like everybody else. We're not going to be laid off. You need to get ahead though of how your clients are thinking. Because this creates an environment of anxiety. Clients are nervous, organizations are nervous. They're looking at their balance sheets. The Fed is nervous because do they let inflation just continue to like be at a level that is higher? Because traditionally inflation sits at around 2% and do they want it to go to 4%? That's going to make people super nervous, or do they want to raise interest rates to kind of put a tap on it? Then if they raise the interest rates, banks are further impacted because of their investments. Which is what happened to these banks. Their investments were impacted by the high interest rate. So they had less money and they have less money in reserve. So it's like you're choosing between two evils and they can't solve both things at one time.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=WB1ji4HKjyZb_h6IJiZOHSXr3vm0ByOkFDatpSuf3QiZ772-1rFmfErte3sj0U4_3epLUtGGx4bCJZMKFCIx0oOvdow&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=501.92'>08:21</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and I think the thing that we need to focus on, like you said, it's definitely bringing uncertainty as an unwanted guest to the table, which I don't know if this is going to make us feel any better, but it's certainly one thing I learned as I had to create this business, was even if you're employed by someone - that direct deposit, it feels certain but it's not certain.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Wi4fcPYvmY7w9_gpJ2Rz0YfIDlcNgSGYuZFbP9HGVFn7Jc_zOtOWidWOlRjiIm9LQhY2p48JhQEHksX9fHVdO2U7Sug&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=535.83'>08:55</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. We live with uncertainty without even acknowledging it because there are certain risks that we've just accepted as normal, so we don't see them as a risk. But, you know, we want to give you, and we're not financial advisors. You need to talk to your financial advisors. .</p>
<p>So this is not, you know, I think we're supposed to disclose that or, you know, make that clear so that we don't get in trouble. We're not financial advisors, but we're business people that are sharing some strategies. So here are some immediate things that you can do as you're doing your pulse checks with your clients. Do not be afraid to ask, “Hey, we're in a really crazy, chaotic time economically. How are you feeling about that? And what strategies are you all doing to make sure that you can weather this?” Think about how you can help them to hit their goals. Because again, you want to be a problem solver. And so avoiding the conversation can mean that you get hit with surprises later on. Addressing this with your clients brings things to the forefront. And if they're thinking about cutting back, you can help them. You can guide them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8neoTV6kk1kKMrU7BEEqNQLU7lacLsFIhVU5juwxcKoziPVBIJxJhV9Mkz1gOMXocFMJP8OA5qsLt7KjVPNbKAxaBQo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=613.44'>10:13</a>):</p>
<p>There's something important you said in that, and since the pandemic, it's likely that you're kind of in this mode because hopefully you've been counseling your clients through this. Because, that was a major drop off of “Oh my gosh, we're all paralyzed.” And okay, well how did you guide them through that? You should have hopefully kept that conversation going, of “How are things? How can we better address, how can we change our tactics? Do we need to pivot in any direction?” So please don't, don't think, oh my gosh, I have to have a big conversation.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DWsA36Pq4RSDnJ3DpcjTms8GYz9l-zEhxyyRXAeecX8efOYm9ZHvF8tRBRpPALkqdjn12zZ3CYUdwA1ae8twpPkp9Gc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=652.56'>10:52</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It's not a, it's a big - I'm a female, so I'm using the term girl. I identify as girl - it's a big girl conversation that you, we all should be having, right? You need to have these conversations. Sometimes we shy away from talking about money with our clients, and sometimes we're afraid to have the big conversations because we're afraid of the answers. But let me tell you something, it is so much better to be empowered with information. So these conversations can yield clues about the certainty of your contract. And those are things that you want to address early on. Another tip is if a client says, “Well, you know, we're thinking about, or we're planning on bringing PR in-house…” Respond with, “That's great, client! That's fantastic. We've seen the best results when there are resources internally that can focus on these things with the support of an agency to do that. What were you thinking in terms of how that would look?” Guide them, make some suggestions? A lot of times I've seen people be in the situation and simply throw down the flag and go into, you know, they’re outlaws. So their mind immediately is like, okay, well we have three months. We have 60 days, we have 30 days, and then they're looking for more business. But you didn't even try to pivot this conversation and influence it by holding onto at least some of the business. Your budget may get cut, but wouldn't you rather have a budget that's cut where you stood up for yourself and maybe your scope for doing the same work? Your budget is cut because the scope is lower, is a lot better than losing the entire revenue. And so again, it's all about these conversations that we have to get comfortable having and not just be so quick to react. So if you're already thinking about these things and addressing them proactively, then you're not in reactionary mode where you're like - and, let me tell you, it is not fun to lose a client even when it has nothing to do with your work. They're not unhappy. It's painful. There's a little bit of like, you know, you're,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AwAd2uZXPAPdVUnI0i7jxUJr3gVCY1wzp4BeLymlTtlvmYZNhETXXEGa81r_mbXF4u674TtuCVIiBfNupnKTpNp3NdU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=798.01'>13:18</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, of course there is.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wE36qE2Oq6PfEqG6uIu10nVeCRcVA5DGve9jA2DFlbokbIqtocFEFbao0qGxHZUHMbjbzjyQbUn_HjBXgjMzykpmSvs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=799.69'>13:19</a>):</p>
<p>You need to mourn a little bit. Yeah. So we want you to not ever be in that position. Yeah. But to always be operating from a place of strength because you're prepared.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=x6Y6mqtTbB5UdxW6tJRbUHUeigzxFNAg8nQcryLUHlS1p28WYOjmji7V1P58Iu24TuCTFC3uf8iqMaeqLoP46IYOEX4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=809.68'>13:29</a>):</p>
<p>And, I think by having that conversation, if a client's considering going completely in house, even by reminding them of the value that you bring, that knowledge will stay with them and you'll still be maintaining that relationship because I would say nine times out of 10, they will find they need you to some extent. Yeah.  ideally, but, it is like a mourning because business is relationship nowhere more than in our profession. Because you become a member of their team, you become your client's champion, so that's something to both value and it doesn't feel so great when it ends.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hF1DTG2VNfnoUcCl0Yu3_yJ9xnZsqzfclnUv6gCzAuh44elrkeMqv8eiVMPzyXBvep_fcJwQG1NKzh9V8bYxiX-0mIE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=859.66'>14:19</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. It doesn't, even for the best of reasons and let's face it, we have had many of us over the years, maybe some of you recently have had clients to cancel your contract and make up reasons that they did so because they're uncomfortable saying it's a financial issue. But we know it is. We know the signs are always there. And this is the thing that I say to people about layoffs. They really don't come out of nowhere. You just have to know how to look for those bread crumbs and spot them. And here's the funniest thing. We see the breadcrumbs, we ignore them because it's easier to just not look at them.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PaA2JQFpM1kmR2XDkPGek6GigRZs-oxxpPe2yRBSEIV0wGwyAyGW-Jsy14ec7SkFU3R2lUUq8o91BuiB0IknOzGg-ZU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=903.41'>15:03</a>):</p>
<p>Reality.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dtqm4V15hB4AGVbrMlp7_KgoY8ZE5X6Aqs5LDwAuEEY6MnLzZ2m631LyCcjrIwRT0XBXKWQv0cgpf0K8nBZrBwh8pRg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=904.01'>15:04</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. I don't want to know. I don't want to know. I'm going to work today. We do that with clients too. We see the signs. We're smart, we see them. But we'd rather not pay attention to them because we don't want to deal with it. And that's human nature. But you've got to fight against that. And look at it so that you are not caught off guard.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=U1SGltWazEzcN9NkgdUDed7p8osAXUzNm2Sqrpg7kKoGKjIWub6RrCLB6BA2Y73r-A91xIha47onvOaeGqAj1uXbhcQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=928.28'>15:28</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And it also brings us back to the drumbeat of always, always, always be in business development mode. Always. And you know, it's funny, people ask me, does belonging to this, did it ever get your business? And you know, okay, first of all, I don't usually lead that way because that's too transactional to me. But, it could be a super slow burn. It could take 10 years, but eventually you get to know the right people and the timing is right. So when we say always be in business development mode, it doesn't mean you're, you know, in…what's the word I'm looking for?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=knyRqj_pI1W4QEdMJXFIKOT0UJj4p9PRNVXXpre7jUIALeu-e584uT3bEeJx4FnSqCvk421WMwZq42buhwzM-OGhsg0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=972.53'>16:12</a>):</p>
<p>That you're closing a client every like 10 days, but</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=VU5ayfqvWgErdex_GgYgujHJklDKqnVvH9VpmWJ-oA1LzNBWsk_jWGpjBCqHMahSpwCAq6crHsJRLpYpldVUdalAhgQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=976.2'>16:16</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And you're not like, like scattered like, oh my gosh!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CDVz4egPluemcC14m59rvd7tLADROaSup16w4UVBW28vPoRm4cmEw-9MOJheegWt6PTOqQavSFhDpyNhBSbKikITBLI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=978.83'>16:18</a>):</p>
<p>This means that you need to always have a full pipeline.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=gCfg37DcT3DbWcQcbFUi0QtLSVtTedc41lepxh9vXtnvJKXfFCXelbP9XkCX-hGZmNKKFmRlbqvhcCG2eYGdZB53Ec0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=981.84'>16:21</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yPf1Brp7XSI7u9ZuJdO3bAmWn7S7FoGH5m7yco0RSvfe_k8d7Wr5PJoaLcxkq1B5Yt4_SwEdehtV0dl6jAGkcmrfatQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=982.91'>16:22</a>):</p>
<p>Many years ago, my then and now client, MBO Partners just imparted such wisdom on that by encouraging solo business owners to have a full pipeline because a full pipeline meant that you had choice.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=87hE5Hw8-D6BOh6DuOcHhuwZNtHFXrh6QES8iVqBKZFqcWvJICKeSQPXyM6vHnDsZcIeox-4VJd4Fe_MLis3NxpJhKo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1000.79'>16:40</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, I love that.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kZT6X5w-RV_qEYFrfRSk3M-nyMpxH08TREFvRVqsVuPh5gcmVwQFauRBCyTJdLmpZbEufE1otDvqRDzhDWyhVDGB304&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1001.87'>16:41</a>):</p>
<p>You started your business because you wanted choice. You wanted freedom. You wanted the freedom to choose how you work, who you work with. The way that you protect that freedom is by ensuring that your pipeline is always full. You should never, ever, ever put yourself in a position where a loss puts you in frenzy mode. Like, oh my God, now you're rushing around and you're checking LinkedIn and you're doing all these things. If you do a little every day, and if you're always keeping yourself open for clients, if you're always checking in with your network, if you're always marketing your services, then you should have people in various stages of your pipeline all the time. And to your point, Michelle, one of my most favorite past clients is somebody that it took a year. One year. And here's the funny thing, three companies later</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vt-zkYnbqJH1oyC3nrD5zzjZpTD-zqHTltd9Zm7SwvlSrfWcC-zMvWvIlCAdTlTcFSEr0jhQMB_j5xGJ-0bAy1LRBhQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1057.79'>17:37</a>):</p>
<p>,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0rrEwaRx0gOnt6rcBB-swmZFp7-X7BEEWxRP-6oFU4j2EQILa2NTrRXx15y8X89ihZxE4a7ZZkOKwZw__sXOAKvYmz4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1058.63'>17:38</a>):</p>
<p>Three companies later to land an account. But you want to know what? Not only was that an amazing account, but after they were acquired, they have been - and not just one person from that company, all the entire team that we work with, all the executives have been a continual source of referrals for us.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k9ikIMuv-4VLeL3BVp9PSrMm9AR_I1lS5i8_uuaSm9ahReF-llb2dZJ9k2rbMK-CHyXoV3dOWiUNw8TeSfD9WkJP5XY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1077.5'>17:57</a>):</p>
<p>See?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kTVqGEZ2bauDpHQCsaRCbxEUsUI21R_KDv5_kVr4BMjxrHMg5au6fhAonbfQJTrpAJdJQJOAmX7WpkGu2kuzGww7UHU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1078.68'>17:58</a>):</p>
<p>Unprompted just, they are the most beautiful client ever. So don't be afraid of spending time to cultivate relationship over a period of time. Because as you said, sometimes it takes a while.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7jqQADz5S7_xkjLU6C3c7eAl15YRqj21oJUVpIDWNITVL9vbx_MfAWhSdGtcdtygytvALgZYUwkoxoDLpr2o8a_U14Q&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1091.31'>18:11</a>):</p>
<p>Oh yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=oBmXc6q_Jcjran6u6rmd5U3kw4quXDCmY44JfNTjTpe3Zn5LFsg1AVMya4h_EzK2qAsBTMkwYOY30tVIzwJESN2yV4g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1092.22'>18:12</a>):</p>
<p>But that doesn't mean it's over.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mf5-_uuMrtxjIku_9LUcWvAthAwavjgC-WfJi7tg0_fvqsSzRfeYtU9wzIh5-FLnzkhOzf9-U2hyDaOoBGDXoQ7_QkQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1094.1'>18:14</a>):</p>
<p>No, no. And there is a beauty in what you just said too. You may think, “Ooh, if I could just work with that person or that company.” Sometimes it's who they know. So take the time to get to know people, even if it's justto touch base or congratulate them on something all the way up to, you know, Hey, let's grab a cup of coffee sometime, I'd love to learn more about what you're into. That definitely helps. So all these little touch points, and I know it can feel overwhelming. Trust. Some days I sit here and I'm like, oh my gosh, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CUPt457SjNjeEHsjf85a3WiH3RYdI9Jmv0MA-EVJDHvwAiyJ9KyF42uFgaKbl8znxFo75YSGYzbQ1oT5t0Ob87GKjYE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1136.07'>18:56</a>):</p>
<p>Here’s where social media can also be a beautiful thing. I don't believe that posting on LinkedIn doesn't have a return. It does. Even if you don't do it a lot, I'm not a big LinkedIn person, but I just had an opportunity come up because of posts that I put on LinkedIn. When I felt like posting, I just did. I am the worst social media person ever. I'm just going to admit that I'm horrible because it just, I don't like it anymore. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I2nxG68Dl82ELOu3udpNoWb2LHjvAkPz5MRMtdYLUeM5RzNKxwn-4eqXarQ-IqZULLhFXhvnjWFrI_uPsSt7Qw_2bl0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1173.33'>19:33</a>):</p>
<p>Well, I think a lot of us feel that way. It's work. And I realize, when I look at my accounts personally, I don't post that much because ugh, I do it all day.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0p7dYJX82kDSe4PwwJ8zHEd1rsRt2VXfCPbG2gwtxrHCuKC3l7opkNa4-Qn0YzkJNM_Nj9E0FJA2VavQJm9tA6ie8Jg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1186.6'>19:46</a>):</p>
<p>It’s just not fun.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=y44trXCiL9yI3mth6iDf_1BU2blKwya1p-4kan_UtKsA3DaouObfF-AaxfSpoGl62ZIfvl_dFRFl4a4YVvlzsl_EwwY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1194.24'>19:54</a>):</p>
<p>Well, we all go through phases, right? But then there's other ways that you cultivate your relationships.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=cGg3i7fRpRBWwvNupO4uwB7WrjFukMnVrSnse48oKPWg4xfGn1Cu1-yGiVDtITW6lZ66OqyQ3lXruCOMCnroP_ypsJY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1199.75'>19:59</a>):</p>
<p>This doesn't mean that you have to, like, I'm not a fan of wasted time. I am not that girl. I'm not the girl who's going to do a whole bunch of in-person coffee dates. I'm not the person who's going to go to every networking meeting. I'm not doing that. That's just not my personality, not my style, doesn't line up with how I manage my time. However, there are things that you can do that may seem a little more passive, but that actually can produce, and that is putting content out there. Writing bylined articles for your target audience. I cannot say this enough. PR people, we love to write for PR publications. Stretch yourself and write for where your clients read.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=fkm_bBScxybPQUJuP2Ovt2W19Ad9g-oaPP9vvt5LstZMbQ97G1yZ1eGiTKO0evxkf_Gwl-42tJ22BMmnHi26Z0z1hrE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1240.68'>20:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. So true. So true. Be the answer to the problem your clients have.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tfb_xRYtQI6LQqQMCc8wuj17WVwymiwjwBleBvdIHY7S6JAubkKLP4jN7H2LxIrXeW1Vwe27d4l6oMEL-D_g2Obo3aI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1250.2'>20:50</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=I6gG3M-VHbM1fALZPsWSu0bP9I4JkfDr4RnIDbyGO5VcsYBWuLySrDa4KAcE_alCoV_vKAEop8-MhpcH7FSzVw1E0es&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1250.44'>20:50</a>):</p>
<p>Be there, be that resource already. And when they are ready to take action, you hopefully will be top of mind because you've positioned yourself to be top of mind.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CLFZeKCavzZb6Sf-uSYUxh2B86s6flnwSfazg4Ja0ak0kO_E5eWv5gBbyHG_mG77t6MALgpGhEKgTE3-K83Rf6EpnTc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1263.63'>21:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. If you're going to talk PR, don't make an inside baseball.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7d8LBgGGnvoqV77Cbbo_WABrRwv9hB8wmcQa3qLQbD9gLavIXI1UEPMJ8cF-zlmQq-eCcKvbI1rgugzSQkikB_PTiY4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1267.27'>21:07</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=QsubMGwGCPjU3_5W5K_CFJFqJ1PYyvoWrw4N4tSbGba-F4evQYWIhfeEhmw6NwaATU2OoyBagDxiwb_lPjxVuOI9rzs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1268.13'>21:08</a>):</p>
<p>Nothing wrong with that, by the way, if PR people are your target audience. And by the way, it's good to talk about these issues with other PR people, but in terms of your marketing, you want to be mindful that you are talking PR to your target audience. Who do you have as a client? Can you talk PR in their language? Can you tell them things that they may not know that will be helpful to them? Because people really do pay attention. And I know that we all think that we're this one little person and the big old sea of all of this information and all of these articles and all of these reels and videos and YouTube channels and podcasts. But you still matter. You do. And what you have to say has value, and it doesn't have to be so mind-blowingly different.</p>
<p>Don’t put these obstacles in front of you. You're, and I know some of you are sitting there like, well, everybody talks about that. And are people listening to everybody? Somebody's listening to everybody.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9jM4-Yo5rICJXndOm_oMkRhATyjGi_jKMz4N8QEy2yxMbUEDLWS9pU_ckpgqxS2-G8cMA6sEknaK7xGkJUnaN9nYQaM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1331.76'>22:11</a>):</p>
<p>. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=LFKcJUioBvCfGvbLuP0YtkbyF26bSWeRw6mzt8ZBqGgN6827kSg5WtsBxj-nj1V4O_nlTOPfo4S3F0xdc3LgFG6pJV4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1332.53'>22:12</a>):</p>
<p>We don't need everybody to listen to you. You just need to say it in a way that resonates with a few people.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ixOP7QYmUs4mnktRwnh_doThOTXQUULo_Jkfpa5kW884yEofOYxdWvvsFxjrDdmuUAv46JVBO1K-5mu-kdiCPwJ_Kk4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1338.34'>22:18</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And those are the people that are going to want to work with you.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n5J-APOvwEutwCr-4vNwSR4FNE0p8HgbVYRQ-Azhgkh36jY5gGhJ2MSckMC2E2lUPjdsU64OjNh7eD0UW3PHf4Hzejg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1343.24'>22:23</a>):</p>
<p>Because you said it in a way that resonated with them. I don't know where we get this idea that only one person can do something. You know, how many brands of toilet paper are there when you go to the grocery store?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wuOS4WP7QvvFDOenIkWk6BvIYcSY_6XguXyY5hURQzCdI2Ia88NnE158cqK57VV4EhXa-P5t1-B-5_-OsYylS7DnV8Q&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1355.2'>22:35</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=GUNni9seZdmcPyISYPTKdF55efvxBAMvweOocNyWTB6pfRWuygkUiQnuAyZiprMKFzGxnTfaZ_AyWD0gWML2rG_53u4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1356.12'>22:36</a>):</p>
<p>We're all there for a reason.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rsBo8dh0ML7bzGC4Ufzwe_wGiMR2_fyyDTYc7TiyRAl3zowMf5Vh-4zbvSQe_4ITx1EUSkIedRn_cHfDB6Ysp2L15fI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1360.21'>22:40</a>):</p>
<p>This is true. Or even, why does anyone write songs anymore? If there are only so many notes in a scale? We could do this all day. We could, but, at the end of it, be strategic. And we said this before on here, treat yourself as a client, hire yourself.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=CvqvF12z8LWyRS5vsLaCRadJ8WiFwjfUwIe7mNOE-2bxYwPIlElHF8JWnsWH_2IsW8-AIWM9dC7KdKYLhreyDgBgbR8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1378.87'>22:58</a>):</p>
<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=XIF9CnO2PipCqNvOStyOIeQBUQwi__MobZOV_UKMhB_MUkBwaxlZi_bt0hYVpNzmy5oEyCcCtpXnQm-aeBoIxq3Omiw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1379.74'>22:59</a>):</p>
<p>And I think you will, we know you're smart, we know you're savvy. We know you can weather anything because hey, we're all still here. We've been through things and we're still here. So if anything, take that with you and we hope we've inspired you today. If we have, please subscribe so you don't miss a thing. Share it around with your friends and colleagues. I mean, there's content you can share. That was, that was pretty shameless, wasn't it? But that's okay. ,</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=u9wFZYLOXRb5CQ3P7hkftuYtlEYkxahb5Z9syaOvLuwXmx2AKeKc09t2wqUhxAvd3Zsnl2C-rVRSvBc9qCcL1aTqJyE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1406.77'>23:26</a>):</p>
<p>When we share this and we love to hear from you. So add your thoughts to it, say “They talked about this, here's my advice.” Disagree with us, because that'll be awesome. We learn from that too. But the key point is please share our stuff,  </p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rvGm5AFKI6WIZBiimbZ4nB7QqI627ktAeA9Y1YguCsQ0-8PRyo2aZviI3kkEe2tpIKtjFb7KOwyfJyNo4EoGXkP7fJo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1425.55'>23:45</a>):</p>
<p>In case we weren't subtle enough. But, well, we thank you for spending this time with us. We know everyone's time is so valuable these days. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[With ongoing inflation, interest rate hikes, and the failures of Silicon Valley Bank and Signature Bank, we continue to navigate uncertain times. In this episode we talk about shoring up our communication with our clients and ways to work on your business development pipeline.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:02):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves. I am Michelle Kane with VoiceMatters, and I'm here with my ever steady co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen. How are you today?
Karen Swim, APR (00:17):
I'm great. How are you doing?
Michelle Kane (00:19):
I'm good. Hey, you know, we're just flying along in this crazy little world, .
Karen Swim, APR (00:26):
We're rolling along, changing as we go, making it up, figuring it out.
Michelle Kane (00:33):
Hey, that's, the beauty of being a PR pro. And you know, every day we wake up to the news, we peek our eyes out from under the covers and think. “What's happening out there?” And today we're going to talk about the financial world. Ooh, but as we are recording this, on the date we're recording this, the Fed is considering whether or not to pop up those interest rates again. Yay. But you know, as I'm sure all of our listeners know, we've had some bank failures and there has comes along with that some angst. I think we still kind of have a trauma from 2008 sticking in our bones and it's just bringing back some of those feelings of “ooph…”
Karen Swim, APR (01:17):
Well, yeah. For those of us who are around and remember that, but even if you weren't yet in business or were not yet operating, or maybe you were still in school back then and you're new to the working world. There are some things that we can learn from the recent bank failures. First of all, I think one thing that we can learn from a communication standpoint is what not to do. And I think that because we counsel clients, maybe many of you had some clients with ties to those banks, so it's really important. And then I had clients that didn't have ties, but for all clients, I said the same thing, it's better to control the message before the message controls you.
Michelle Kane (02:17):
Always.
Karen Swim, APR (02:18):
So, something this widespread, we talk about, we have this decision grid about when to weigh in on issues of the day. But something like this is definitely a place where I think it does not hurt at all to communicate it to key stakeholders, even if you're not affected by saying, “Hey, this recent news is very troubling and unsettling. We want you to know that we are not impacted by the SVP Bank failure nor by First Republic.” If you're not impacted, it's good to say that because this type of challenge is something that hits just everyone. It's going to, you know, employees are going to wonder, “Oh my God, do we have money in these banks? Is it going to affect payroll?” Your investors want to know that you've got a handle on this, your potential investors, your customers want to know that you are fine and that you're not going to be making moves out of frenzy and in response to this, but that you're okay.
Michelle Kane (03:27):
Yeah.
Karen Swim, APR (03:28):
And if you are affected, communicate with a plan about what you plan to do.
Michelle Kane (03:33):
Right. I mean, that's basic PR 101. It's take control of the messaging. And I give kudos, of course, I wasn't privy to what local companies were saying but I know the banks in our region did a wonderful job - the very next morning, making statements of we're, we're good, we're solvent. That was different because X, Y, Z, you can rest assured… They just did the right thing.
Karen Swim, APR (04:01):
I think it also brings up the question - I had providers that I utilize that were impacted. And I immediately got messages that what I utilized them for would not be affected. But it really, that's good. You know, there's just been a lot of uncertainty and this financ]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Disruption feels like the normal state of life these days. From developments in the financial sector to feeling like AI has come crashing in, it’s a lot. But a time of disruption doesn’t have to be a negative experience. In today’s episode, we talk about how PR pros can navigate these times to our benefit and strengthen our success.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0XkjeAXEbqG3Ps9PaOsENiXx6iARr-FwTJVp3uFSF7I6QRLpyJP1pGlKcWmHa-jK3suS91zKUNFn7bF_tzJj0blOu1c&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1.86'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=G8m703_hSXyD6ULpOYLBrutRGYkV7UoJH2rai-QcGecGVdfOyOi5bcjSxRsM7bEtuzmKGohYvAUq0nz0wAh9oCUz2Q4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.72'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DXCEOKNQB01r-8VS9EDfPBjUaZaJPVq98rtReUcx2ItxfR0434rcbR8ruFgyMbqAL68xv8hKgWpakBxmGmnkzI8irWE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=21.03'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Good. Hey, we're just riding the waves of life, hanging on to our boogie boards with dear life, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MP9uRG8s9FEDGt8jMPjLa_3o9t0BOLnPXyYcVwly4Gvpm1ZGpJUynKC4lV9T592elofgUlBuZC-VGKcukP5sq_qApMs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=27.3'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qkFch0M0VXsqDV9C8qln9QbTiSI_ZC9wXWInS1X1eXrXAn82h8bWan1X7NR-eaQYKL4MIRhCtRJBXfxkimw-4LL7nwE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=30.09'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. Especially with this season. I think this episode will drop sometime in March and you know, we're coming off of all sorts of disruption in the financial world, but we're going to talk about mainly disruption in public relations, how the practice is changing, how we can go along with that, how we can be ready, how we can prepare. How, if we need to, retool our businesses and how to stay successful, to stay the successful awesome pros that we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=XcNz0NMdS6gxhVrZPLWhlqPEKpxaujFUWKEw1M4hsvkUqA9cIN0rqJUbZ1jCM3sWpMvNqSXZjXjCmrTOhV9gudHN3Ic&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.95'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's funny, I attended this fantastic webinar this week, and one of the panelists in talking about it was all on artificial intelligence. But it's a different aspect of it. It was really interesting and, and I did gain some insights. However, the panelist in talking about artificial intelligence made the statement and he said, well, you know, the public relations industry is very slow to change. And excuse me, it really bugs me because yeah, as PR practitioners, we often say that about some client industries. There are some client industries that are so slow to adopt, to change. And, I don't want to name those because this is not a time of shaming, but when he said that, it bothered me because there is a lot of truth in that. But it should not be true. It should not be true of us.</p>
<p>So, to be thought of as an industry that is very slow to change to me says that we wait and, and we do, we're cautious. And you always hear people say, you know, the foundation of public relations has not changed. And that's true. At the core and the heart of what we do, it has not changed. But certainly the environment around us has changed. The tools have changed, the methodologies should change. There are so many things that are different. And as this particular, as this panel, I don't know if it was the same panelist, but as they pointed out, they said, we are at a moment with artificial intelligence, much like we were with the internet, and I'm old enough to remember the birth of the internet and to remember how it was rapid innovation and how things like happened.</p>
<p>So it was all about the internet. It was like this new shiny thing, and it wasn't a fad, it wasn't a trend. It stuck, but there was a lot of rapid in innovation in a short period of time. We're seeing that same thing happen, happen in artificial intelligence. So, not to veer off into that topic, because we've discussed that, and we'll continue to update you, but there is disruption. And one of my greatest fears for our people, our tribe, which is public relations practitioners, is that we sit on the sidelines and we wait it out. We wait to see if something's really going to stick. And we're not responding to things like big social media changes. We're waiting out platforms. We're not jumping in and figuring out because things are not going to wait. TikTok is a perfect example. Love it, hate it. Want to be on it, feel like you can't be on it because it's all young people, or because you don't dance or sing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_E1EV0nU-nmZDCJxaoAbYhRgQwgLilHX9koGQAKzSYI2lN-A3kRdsIwdjGLMh_v2NWKG141cHHsFnwNShvsROztq-jc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=265.63'>04:25</a>):</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=U2d4o1cygevy7wmHWhot8qkJHbK18kMKJp-t-MXHISKSWcuuSZ6D8Qwbetqna_9gPDDTV6w_Eg9b7GeoRfjlyb2Az3U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=265.87'>04:25</a>):</p>
<p>It has taken hold of our publics period. And our publics could care less what the government is saying about TikTok.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=i4FIrQGP8N_Ei-CKZp5hQPuqNDLf1BM2r8NZ5lFuGTBbfIKsnixs9MtJ8GU6NIqePymBmkDKQAfIQOn9OkMIXuRP65E&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=274.49'>04:34</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's true. They really don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8JoyPrt8Spk1GcWvOva-jLIhdsym915viXHjW86zy0Xq10riMqmV4UMYdMqVQdB5GZ2EQpXJiyYj4OL-LcwZEAWKlaY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=275.56'>04:35</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. They do not care that China may be spying on them. They are using this platform. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ScCFGW5v9O5DXM60IUGPzMdGmmqZ1rRYJDi5FjxUyzm4dwirFtKx3jrG7aU2XsR5WjxMY1n10ClgJmt1e22j6Y0ceKc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=282.39'>04:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pqikKXjPR2VVRTs67UI8jOuXLBoQWGmR9kbmKnRi-fdb5NEvsJpyk2fpOhcrME31Xa7mcVAdQgjCH20RUtuay8hcyRc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=282.82'>04:42</a>):</p>
<p>So some brands have jumped on the platform and they're making it work. News channels are figuring out how to make it work. But we are by and large sitting on the sidelines not making it work because we are not too sure about it, and we don't feel like it, you know, we get it, we know about it, but we're not seizing it and shaping it for our narratives.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kHxWBQZpv-YEzCq7-5lrzBSPv5QRLfDvcu33UNwcY0-LNbvnJlJfFiBfktdNniGs_PCrk7S9PNTeihzTx-ufXaVGOfE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=311.77'>05:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you bring up a really good point of how we need to be checking ourselves, right? Because yes, you can drive yourself crazy running after every new shiny. However, if you see something taking hold like TikTok or some kind of innovative way to do your work, don't just wait until, I don't know, the “Guys!  Download this PDF Guide!” hits your inbox, start playing around with it, check it out for yourself, see what it can do for you. See what it might do for your client. Because I think there is that, certainly that side to our business and our practice of, you know, we are always trying to stay ahead of the narrative and staying ahead of what could come next. So I think that's a way that we do our job, but I think we need to bring that into the how we do our job for ourselves. It's, we owe that to ourselves, to our clients to really step out into that and think, huh. Okay. I need to really wrap my arms around that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k0Z2Mxrd8ITrg1rNb7uR1cr9K-gs3J90PXBK0rZS_hxag801sxBK48deE12VWWkVVf-N4MHNWyYIVwJ3CtwVaOkTK5s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=387.22'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>And let's be real about the shakeup that really is impacting our industry. We see a media landscape that is incredibly chaotic, gone are the days where reporters have a single beat, they don't. They cover four to five subjects, they file eight to 11 stories a day. And there's fewer of them. And there's rapid turnover and change. We see journalists change jobs, like Imelda Marcos changed shoes, , and it's, you know, so it gone are those days where your trusted Rolodex and I know many of us didn't come from the Rolodex era, but you know, just to use that analogy where your trusted contact list of reporters were there. Gone are the days where you could really count on deep industry reporters. And that's all that they reported on. That's far and few between.</p>
<p>In some industries it still holds true. Like real estate comes to mind. There are still real estate reporters, but beats are shrinking. And again, in response to the economic outlook, media doesn't make money in the same way anymore. There is change. And so that is a disruption to us when we talk about things like TikTok and the social media channels. It's not just that these tools exist, but it's that it's upended what we think of as thought leaders and experts, because everyone has the opportunity to be an expert.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AkiROSTT-5AbNaXdQaca-CrPzFGTy4IolVO25NbnHrK4JX_UXW4Ck1Eb7SgyAkeNgxzP4VBhqiyAKcbleV6zJgIGC_g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=486.2'>08:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=OY417mkDGPeUYOmc9As4aXk_tXNSx5lMssxhehQkTWx5Ps_V8rUFY2G6UbBwp9VWeYNS3n-H3LLfveLZKkV508LA-LI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=487.64'>08:07</a>):</p>
<p>Everybody can do it. They've democratized having an opinion about things. And so for us, that disruption means two things. It means that you have to be innovative in pitching your own thought leaders. You have to think outside of the box. You have to figure a way to rise above the noise. But it also means that you have to watch out even more closely for misinformation and disinformation, because people can say anything. And if they have enough people following them that believe them, then that false information becomes truth in the minds of many.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tt4BP_bLTbxvb11JHWoHMhxsZ262VfwHzLyTlxyer2-RlP-UuPrFzjw11mTzNAVq2D1yYQw3m54pIoNj9obRXaekA88&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=524'>08:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you know, think of it this way. Every company is a media company. And that was never more clear than with the onset of social media. Every company now has a platform to broadcast their message in a variety of ways. And when you're talking about shrinking beats and a shrinking media, add to that the fact that people are being inundated with information from all these people and trying to discern what is worthwhile, what isn't, what is true, what isn't. And if anything, that makes our job even more challenging to cut through all of that noise and to put forth the information that we're handling on behalf of our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=3NcqVU-y1h8Paya8nVTAZd60va9JASixEo2cuBIEuWcCTqartaowHK1gYjb0TDnng9TphkANVi7HTge78193KISiRqg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=571.23'>09:31</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, and let's not ignore the elephant in the room. AI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=f06P0JYMDD6nD2Xwe1kmlZwLgiVP5RQLGLqc9neR3IscDOgbq6tkKVMvY1sv5_8hz1lDvURCTpxBf68d-HLgINDD2dk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=576.06'>09:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KKe5o061BXeIQTxKbySAUR0iLqRjgOUQcejBJ9wbQZFFB4JHDSa4smEqP5it8jiKTOVmbOkqnVyFObZ4PGucekUZNdM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=577.05'>09:37</a>):</p>
<p>AI is absolutely disrupting public relations. And we can raise our fist and we can wave at it, and we could be mad about it, and we could say it's not as good as a human being. And, it is not, artificial intelligence is not really intelligent as someone said this week. It's not, it doesn't have a brain, it doesn't think, however, it is going to absolutely replace some of the things that we hold near and dear. And you know, again, we urge people to test out these tools. Yeah. Play around with them, learn how you could use them in your work because it is disrupting us. I mean, so us being upset about things and talking about how we don't like them or how they're not as effective is not…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vJ7GBtvEQSVhmYDHHk89jfxINEz6dALBzgB4HBjzUn5JG67BpfWpY1iW2MQpWjmzspf5RB5JXKwvIDzTkL0RSRtRf_U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=628.92'>10:28</a>):</p>
<p>Too bad.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9lXSu4wgZ4sEbon00RIEK6ocCVZoTVN3jC5A3r5-yiLj6hxjCTRikr6Ib9dC9O0iiBD3v3_MGoOY5EysUKb6ixYxfZQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=629.49'>10:29</a>):</p>
<p>…the strategy that we want to use, what we want to use is we want to become knowledgeable and be able to guide our clients in how they can use them and the things that they should be aware of.</p>
<p>For example, we've all heard now that there's this AI voice scam. That's something that you need to be looking out for. That AI has the ability to go to YouTube, to go to the social media channels and pull your voice and create fast clips. Right? Now they're being used in scams targeting the elderly. But let's talk about what that could really mean for your clients. Does it mean that somebody can take something and have one of your CEOs saying things that they really didn't say? So we have to be on guard for that. And again, I think that we should be leading this effort, not only of how we use AI and how we use it to do our work more efficiently and optimize what we're doing, but we should also be leading advocacy for ethical practices.</p>
<p>We need our voices to be heard. We should be writing about these topics. We should be speaking about these topics. We should be working within our industry groups to make sure that we're holding these companies accountable for privacy. That we are educating our publics about how to vet these things. I mean, there was that AI portrait generator that everybody was using. And I never touched it because they had, you were giving them essentially rights to your image and Michelle and I know intimately because we had an AI expert on our show Yeah. Many months ago before Chat GPT blew up that talked about these problematic areas of AI. So no way am I giving anyone rights to my image, rights to my voice. But we need to understand that and we need to not, and I saw so many people doing this. Oh, it was like the most popular thing. And I'm like, what are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AAOmVmqPUXNfDAVJcBCieKTTT7mC2w5pawP-nY8CLoQplzjacy6Ckl3tdFd3eUHNXumg4zqZvuwGeK1O-OVxq-oa6Lw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=768.28'>12:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Because I mean, it was enticing because you thought, Ooh, that looks really cool. Yeah.</p>
<p>But wait, stop. And let's hope that as if you're hearing usyou don't think, “oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I'm behind.” No, just stop and consider this is an opportunity to be of service. This is what we do. I tell my clients, “I'm your little black cloud in a dress, , I'm here to tell you all the bad things that could happen, but we're not going to let them happen.” And, really how AI can help us do our jobs better, because there's a number of ways that they can. And how AI can be of service to your clients. And also, “Hey, this is what we need to watch out for.” Because we've addressed this, my goodness. like you mentioned earlier, with the onset of the internet, there was a lot of shady stuff at the beginning. There's still a lot of shady stuff. But hopefully as communicators, we help lead our clients and as peer-to-peer help lead each other through that and navigate our way and make it useful for ourselves and for those that we work with.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dqwHeZCaFFsNf5uEJV82oYNK6Gt8dfrnHY3Gx6L7CabyYPmeZyrRo-qnUEPpMojrhqwjAt_645_ZFDgKB4PVdwetKgU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=844.57'>14:04</a>):</p>
<p>Another disruption that I don't think that we, and I I've been saying this for years, we cannot afford to ignore that. Companies want to understand what they're getting for PR. So for years, people in the industry have pushed back against it. Even with the Barcelona Principles, even with measurement, even with all of these things that have happened, we have by and large said, well, we can't guarantee anything. And we can't, we're not in the sales department, but you kind of are. And let's be 100% real and say that the younger generation is going to run circles around seasoned practitioners because they don't care about those lines. They don't care about anything. And so you have people out here that are doing digital marketing and dabbling in your area and calling themselves PR pros. They're doing things faster, they're doing things different.</p>
<p>But companies want to understand if they're making an investment in PR, what is that getting them? And they have every right to ask that question. And we are now in this tumultuous economic environment where that question is going to come up more and more and more. And so we have to get really comfortable with understanding how to demonstrate our ROI because let's be real, we do deliver ROI, this is not just art. It's not art. And we absolutely can show metrics that show the value that we bring to an organization and we can tie it to dollar amounts. We can show that. But you have to learn how to do that. And if you're not comfortable in that area, we are urging you get comfortable. There's so many courses out there. We have things in the vault in the Solo PR Pro premium vault that address this topic.</p>
<p>Katie Payne is always a good source on measurement. Read, look at the things that we've offered you, dig deeper into the resources, ask questions, ask in the group, let's talk about this. If you want us to do more training tutorials, we can even have experts on our podcast and we can do webinars on this topic to help you get comfortable. But you are going to need to answer this. And I will tell you that in every single client win this year, we have tied, we've drawn a line from what we do to how it matters in your organization. Every single client win.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PXV3dRB5NsTuV4f60VoLe9J5H6J_o6GJXR0ZbutL0z6Y0qdqh8yOfHW9xMBTUaa4enTNATQP_a-SUsaFy_3BBrlNTYY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1013.6'>16:53</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, it all starts with - what are your goals? Well, they should be measurable goals. You're not just walking into an agreement with a client of, “oh, we're just going to, you know…” I'll slip on my AbFab hat, “We're going to ‘PR’ everything.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FGeX4qwC3_0bVItGU-1IRgb0pKBv0_nc6x6HOi8BEnZyYzPDC7HvHfgvVlL0BHspSevOHAaw8_CGolQ0nT1k9eU-Gwk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1027.09'>17:07</a>):</p>
<p>. Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zGe7PAXeJOcrcEuDUEf5LdvqCTYmkvTc1sjBzS86OuH5hzihEK8wLqFdjb14xFLaZRw73qjJesWa2_Gek8u-xmpNSCw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1028.27'>17:08</a>):</p>
<p>No, yeah. You're using tactics. You have specific goals you want to achieve. So just tie your measurement back to that. It sounds so scary. And even as I'm talking about it, I'm thinking, hmm, but it really, it's not that bad. It's not, but it's important. It's very important to do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FBE5XJSxay-PHIMqcdpoaz_IS8y9SdCFKyTdbpE28YUeUFYPGWjerkqbn4FvMxgxXeAO8biO0grIgdeVSHmzm_Nw4Ho&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1046.57'>17:26</a>):</p>
<p>I'm telling you, I was one, because I came up a different side of PR. And so initially I would remember getting twitchy, like, you want me to do what? You want me to commit to what?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tLInDy6jokhle908THKNAWe--5HRZU-BLvpd__iQNzvehVwqhUkjWYGFg3jy_yjrloIMGHZypBadTfMqiPX008pMjfg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1065.38'>17:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=JIApBv33I5nq1owH9MYZYQ9guDh6AVfm5Rfqls4U7UF5l7Q03HUhaI2fSKL4pUe-w5_qMcgQaEk-CSyh9B2vab7gX0Y&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1067.06'>17:47</a>):</p>
<p>But I am very comfortable and I still like learn. I have made this my mission to always be learning and always learn how to communicate value even better, because it matters. And to be honest with you, because I am that consumer, I want to understand what I'm getting from my spend. I am thoughtful about how I spend money. And so if somebody comes to me wanting to offer a service, I want to know what that means. Like, it can't just be shiny pretty, I mean, sometimes it can, like if I'm paying for shiny pretty, then show me how shiny pretty is. But when you're making an investment like this, you want to know that it's going to make a difference in your business. And so, please stop falling back on the company line because the industry is shifting beneath your feet. And we don't want you to fall into the hole. We want you to find yourself on solid ground on the other side.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KSTmyfsW5GNT2R12H7agvnW5-HmvA_CXi8_cTZ3XdIa5Wb_m4mmrTF7fglwISdclta2Zcvhpc-kjIPyHYNfoEMmKOmE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1126.35'>18:46</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And PR pros, you're a bunch of smarties, you know, you're savvy and, and you've got this. It's just taking the time to really stop, look around, maybe reframe how you do some things. And always be learning. And it's the fun part of what we do. We get to learn all the time, which is kind of cool. But, well, we hope we've inspired you today and please dig into some of those resources. And until next time, oh, actually, before I sign off, share this around and subscribe. . And until next time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=2E0gZwrRsqx4lOS4Ig1bwu7vrChBew8_C9OrsTkWeU5j0cOWYODn_Nin6GNQEMw61oHC2pxSpvhqv6ffTTy83piPIp4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1165.88'>19:25</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SOMCAXLC938bKyNm5N7D5eZaN5Vn60qMxLG2FQq7CbTiG3loxxMu2_eGlfAxIGXZyyTCsNvHG9Mc_E0Aj0JRRjozIE0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1166.91'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disruption feels like the normal state of life these days. From developments in the financial sector to feeling like AI has come crashing in, it’s a lot. But a time of disruption doesn’t have to be a negative experience. In today’s episode, we talk about how PR pros can navigate these times to our benefit and strengthen our success.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=0XkjeAXEbqG3Ps9PaOsENiXx6iARr-FwTJVp3uFSF7I6QRLpyJP1pGlKcWmHa-jK3suS91zKUNFn7bF_tzJj0blOu1c&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1.86'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=G8m703_hSXyD6ULpOYLBrutRGYkV7UoJH2rai-QcGecGVdfOyOi5bcjSxRsM7bEtuzmKGohYvAUq0nz0wAh9oCUz2Q4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.72'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DXCEOKNQB01r-8VS9EDfPBjUaZaJPVq98rtReUcx2ItxfR0434rcbR8ruFgyMbqAL68xv8hKgWpakBxmGmnkzI8irWE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=21.03'>00:21</a>):</p>
<p>Good. Hey, we're just riding the waves of life, hanging on to our boogie boards with dear life, .</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MP9uRG8s9FEDGt8jMPjLa_3o9t0BOLnPXyYcVwly4Gvpm1ZGpJUynKC4lV9T592elofgUlBuZC-VGKcukP5sq_qApMs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=27.3'>00:27</a>):</p>
<p>Yes, we are.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qkFch0M0VXsqDV9C8qln9QbTiSI_ZC9wXWInS1X1eXrXAn82h8bWan1X7NR-eaQYKL4MIRhCtRJBXfxkimw-4LL7nwE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=30.09'>00:30</a>):</p>
<p>Oh my goodness. Especially with this season. I think this episode will drop sometime in March and you know, we're coming off of all sorts of disruption in the financial world, but we're going to talk about mainly disruption in public relations, how the practice is changing, how we can go along with that, how we can be ready, how we can prepare. How, if we need to, retool our businesses and how to stay successful, to stay the successful awesome pros that we are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=XcNz0NMdS6gxhVrZPLWhlqPEKpxaujFUWKEw1M4hsvkUqA9cIN0rqJUbZ1jCM3sWpMvNqSXZjXjCmrTOhV9gudHN3Ic&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.95'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>You know, it's funny, I attended this fantastic webinar this week, and one of the panelists in talking about it was all on artificial intelligence. But it's a different aspect of it. It was really interesting and, and I did gain some insights. However, the panelist in talking about artificial intelligence made the statement and he said, well, you know, the public relations industry is very slow to change. And excuse me, it really bugs me because yeah, as PR practitioners, we often say that about some client industries. There are some client industries that are so slow to adopt, to change. And, I don't want to name those because this is not a time of shaming, but when he said that, it bothered me because there is a lot of truth in that. But it should not be true. It should not be true of us.</p>
<p>So, to be thought of as an industry that is very slow to change to me says that we wait and, and we do, we're cautious. And you always hear people say, you know, the foundation of public relations has not changed. And that's true. At the core and the heart of what we do, it has not changed. But certainly the environment around us has changed. The tools have changed, the methodologies should change. There are so many things that are different. And as this particular, as this panel, I don't know if it was the same panelist, but as they pointed out, they said, we are at a moment with artificial intelligence, much like we were with the internet, and I'm old enough to remember the birth of the internet and to remember how it was rapid innovation and how things like happened.</p>
<p>So it was all about the internet. It was like this new shiny thing, and it wasn't a fad, it wasn't a trend. It stuck, but there was a lot of rapid in innovation in a short period of time. We're seeing that same thing happen, happen in artificial intelligence. So, not to veer off into that topic, because we've discussed that, and we'll continue to update you, but there is disruption. And one of my greatest fears for our people, our tribe, which is public relations practitioners, is that we sit on the sidelines and we wait it out. We wait to see if something's really going to stick. And we're not responding to things like big social media changes. We're waiting out platforms. We're not jumping in and figuring out because things are not going to wait. TikTok is a perfect example. Love it, hate it. Want to be on it, feel like you can't be on it because it's all young people, or because you don't dance or sing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_E1EV0nU-nmZDCJxaoAbYhRgQwgLilHX9koGQAKzSYI2lN-A3kRdsIwdjGLMh_v2NWKG141cHHsFnwNShvsROztq-jc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=265.63'>04:25</a>):</p>
<p>.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=U2d4o1cygevy7wmHWhot8qkJHbK18kMKJp-t-MXHISKSWcuuSZ6D8Qwbetqna_9gPDDTV6w_Eg9b7GeoRfjlyb2Az3U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=265.87'>04:25</a>):</p>
<p>It has taken hold of our publics period. And our publics could care less what the government is saying about TikTok.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=i4FIrQGP8N_Ei-CKZp5hQPuqNDLf1BM2r8NZ5lFuGTBbfIKsnixs9MtJ8GU6NIqePymBmkDKQAfIQOn9OkMIXuRP65E&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=274.49'>04:34</a>):</p>
<p>Right. That's true. They really don't.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8JoyPrt8Spk1GcWvOva-jLIhdsym915viXHjW86zy0Xq10riMqmV4UMYdMqVQdB5GZ2EQpXJiyYj4OL-LcwZEAWKlaY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=275.56'>04:35</a>):</p>
<p>That's true. They do not care that China may be spying on them. They are using this platform. Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ScCFGW5v9O5DXM60IUGPzMdGmmqZ1rRYJDi5FjxUyzm4dwirFtKx3jrG7aU2XsR5WjxMY1n10ClgJmt1e22j6Y0ceKc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=282.39'>04:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pqikKXjPR2VVRTs67UI8jOuXLBoQWGmR9kbmKnRi-fdb5NEvsJpyk2fpOhcrME31Xa7mcVAdQgjCH20RUtuay8hcyRc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=282.82'>04:42</a>):</p>
<p>So some brands have jumped on the platform and they're making it work. News channels are figuring out how to make it work. But we are by and large sitting on the sidelines not making it work because we are not too sure about it, and we don't feel like it, you know, we get it, we know about it, but we're not seizing it and shaping it for our narratives.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=kHxWBQZpv-YEzCq7-5lrzBSPv5QRLfDvcu33UNwcY0-LNbvnJlJfFiBfktdNniGs_PCrk7S9PNTeihzTx-ufXaVGOfE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=311.77'>05:11</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, you bring up a really good point of how we need to be checking ourselves, right? Because yes, you can drive yourself crazy running after every new shiny. However, if you see something taking hold like TikTok or some kind of innovative way to do your work, don't just wait until, I don't know, the “Guys!  Download this PDF Guide!” hits your inbox, start playing around with it, check it out for yourself, see what it can do for you. See what it might do for your client. Because I think there is that, certainly that side to our business and our practice of, you know, we are always trying to stay ahead of the narrative and staying ahead of what could come next. So I think that's a way that we do our job, but I think we need to bring that into the how we do our job for ourselves. It's, we owe that to ourselves, to our clients to really step out into that and think, huh. Okay. I need to really wrap my arms around that.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k0Z2Mxrd8ITrg1rNb7uR1cr9K-gs3J90PXBK0rZS_hxag801sxBK48deE12VWWkVVf-N4MHNWyYIVwJ3CtwVaOkTK5s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=387.22'>06:27</a>):</p>
<p>And let's be real about the shakeup that really is impacting our industry. We see a media landscape that is incredibly chaotic, gone are the days where reporters have a single beat, they don't. They cover four to five subjects, they file eight to 11 stories a day. And there's fewer of them. And there's rapid turnover and change. We see journalists change jobs, like Imelda Marcos changed shoes, , and it's, you know, so it gone are those days where your trusted Rolodex and I know many of us didn't come from the Rolodex era, but you know, just to use that analogy where your trusted contact list of reporters were there. Gone are the days where you could really count on deep industry reporters. And that's all that they reported on. That's far and few between.</p>
<p>In some industries it still holds true. Like real estate comes to mind. There are still real estate reporters, but beats are shrinking. And again, in response to the economic outlook, media doesn't make money in the same way anymore. There is change. And so that is a disruption to us when we talk about things like TikTok and the social media channels. It's not just that these tools exist, but it's that it's upended what we think of as thought leaders and experts, because everyone has the opportunity to be an expert.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AkiROSTT-5AbNaXdQaca-CrPzFGTy4IolVO25NbnHrK4JX_UXW4Ck1Eb7SgyAkeNgxzP4VBhqiyAKcbleV6zJgIGC_g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=486.2'>08:06</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=OY417mkDGPeUYOmc9As4aXk_tXNSx5lMssxhehQkTWx5Ps_V8rUFY2G6UbBwp9VWeYNS3n-H3LLfveLZKkV508LA-LI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=487.64'>08:07</a>):</p>
<p>Everybody can do it. They've democratized having an opinion about things. And so for us, that disruption means two things. It means that you have to be innovative in pitching your own thought leaders. You have to think outside of the box. You have to figure a way to rise above the noise. But it also means that you have to watch out even more closely for misinformation and disinformation, because people can say anything. And if they have enough people following them that believe them, then that false information becomes truth in the minds of many.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tt4BP_bLTbxvb11JHWoHMhxsZ262VfwHzLyTlxyer2-RlP-UuPrFzjw11mTzNAVq2D1yYQw3m54pIoNj9obRXaekA88&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=524'>08:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And you know, think of it this way. Every company is a media company. And that was never more clear than with the onset of social media. Every company now has a platform to broadcast their message in a variety of ways. And when you're talking about shrinking beats and a shrinking media, add to that the fact that people are being inundated with information from all these people and trying to discern what is worthwhile, what isn't, what is true, what isn't. And if anything, that makes our job even more challenging to cut through all of that noise and to put forth the information that we're handling on behalf of our clients.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=3NcqVU-y1h8Paya8nVTAZd60va9JASixEo2cuBIEuWcCTqartaowHK1gYjb0TDnng9TphkANVi7HTge78193KISiRqg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=571.23'>09:31</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, and let's not ignore the elephant in the room. AI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=f06P0JYMDD6nD2Xwe1kmlZwLgiVP5RQLGLqc9neR3IscDOgbq6tkKVMvY1sv5_8hz1lDvURCTpxBf68d-HLgINDD2dk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=576.06'>09:36</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KKe5o061BXeIQTxKbySAUR0iLqRjgOUQcejBJ9wbQZFFB4JHDSa4smEqP5it8jiKTOVmbOkqnVyFObZ4PGucekUZNdM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=577.05'>09:37</a>):</p>
<p>AI is absolutely disrupting public relations. And we can raise our fist and we can wave at it, and we could be mad about it, and we could say it's not as good as a human being. And, it is not, artificial intelligence is not really intelligent as someone said this week. It's not, it doesn't have a brain, it doesn't think, however, it is going to absolutely replace some of the things that we hold near and dear. And you know, again, we urge people to test out these tools. Yeah. Play around with them, learn how you could use them in your work because it is disrupting us. I mean, so us being upset about things and talking about how we don't like them or how they're not as effective is not…</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vJ7GBtvEQSVhmYDHHk89jfxINEz6dALBzgB4HBjzUn5JG67BpfWpY1iW2MQpWjmzspf5RB5JXKwvIDzTkL0RSRtRf_U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=628.92'>10:28</a>):</p>
<p>Too bad.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=9lXSu4wgZ4sEbon00RIEK6ocCVZoTVN3jC5A3r5-yiLj6hxjCTRikr6Ib9dC9O0iiBD3v3_MGoOY5EysUKb6ixYxfZQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=629.49'>10:29</a>):</p>
<p>…the strategy that we want to use, what we want to use is we want to become knowledgeable and be able to guide our clients in how they can use them and the things that they should be aware of.</p>
<p>For example, we've all heard now that there's this AI voice scam. That's something that you need to be looking out for. That AI has the ability to go to YouTube, to go to the social media channels and pull your voice and create fast clips. Right? Now they're being used in scams targeting the elderly. But let's talk about what that could really mean for your clients. Does it mean that somebody can take something and have one of your CEOs saying things that they really didn't say? So we have to be on guard for that. And again, I think that we should be leading this effort, not only of how we use AI and how we use it to do our work more efficiently and optimize what we're doing, but we should also be leading advocacy for ethical practices.</p>
<p>We need our voices to be heard. We should be writing about these topics. We should be speaking about these topics. We should be working within our industry groups to make sure that we're holding these companies accountable for privacy. That we are educating our publics about how to vet these things. I mean, there was that AI portrait generator that everybody was using. And I never touched it because they had, you were giving them essentially rights to your image and Michelle and I know intimately because we had an AI expert on our show Yeah. Many months ago before Chat GPT blew up that talked about these problematic areas of AI. So no way am I giving anyone rights to my image, rights to my voice. But we need to understand that and we need to not, and I saw so many people doing this. Oh, it was like the most popular thing. And I'm like, what are you doing?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=AAOmVmqPUXNfDAVJcBCieKTTT7mC2w5pawP-nY8CLoQplzjacy6Ckl3tdFd3eUHNXumg4zqZvuwGeK1O-OVxq-oa6Lw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=768.28'>12:48</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Because I mean, it was enticing because you thought, Ooh, that looks really cool. Yeah.</p>
<p>But wait, stop. And let's hope that as if you're hearing usyou don't think, “oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I'm behind.” No, just stop and consider this is an opportunity to be of service. This is what we do. I tell my clients, “I'm your little black cloud in a dress, , I'm here to tell you all the bad things that could happen, but we're not going to let them happen.” And, really how AI can help us do our jobs better, because there's a number of ways that they can. And how AI can be of service to your clients. And also, “Hey, this is what we need to watch out for.” Because we've addressed this, my goodness. like you mentioned earlier, with the onset of the internet, there was a lot of shady stuff at the beginning. There's still a lot of shady stuff. But hopefully as communicators, we help lead our clients and as peer-to-peer help lead each other through that and navigate our way and make it useful for ourselves and for those that we work with.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dqwHeZCaFFsNf5uEJV82oYNK6Gt8dfrnHY3Gx6L7CabyYPmeZyrRo-qnUEPpMojrhqwjAt_645_ZFDgKB4PVdwetKgU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=844.57'>14:04</a>):</p>
<p>Another disruption that I don't think that we, and I I've been saying this for years, we cannot afford to ignore that. Companies want to understand what they're getting for PR. So for years, people in the industry have pushed back against it. Even with the Barcelona Principles, even with measurement, even with all of these things that have happened, we have by and large said, well, we can't guarantee anything. And we can't, we're not in the sales department, but you kind of are. And let's be 100% real and say that the younger generation is going to run circles around seasoned practitioners because they don't care about those lines. They don't care about anything. And so you have people out here that are doing digital marketing and dabbling in your area and calling themselves PR pros. They're doing things faster, they're doing things different.</p>
<p>But companies want to understand if they're making an investment in PR, what is that getting them? And they have every right to ask that question. And we are now in this tumultuous economic environment where that question is going to come up more and more and more. And so we have to get really comfortable with understanding how to demonstrate our ROI because let's be real, we do deliver ROI, this is not just art. It's not art. And we absolutely can show metrics that show the value that we bring to an organization and we can tie it to dollar amounts. We can show that. But you have to learn how to do that. And if you're not comfortable in that area, we are urging you get comfortable. There's so many courses out there. We have things in the vault in the Solo PR Pro premium vault that address this topic.</p>
<p>Katie Payne is always a good source on measurement. Read, look at the things that we've offered you, dig deeper into the resources, ask questions, ask in the group, let's talk about this. If you want us to do more training tutorials, we can even have experts on our podcast and we can do webinars on this topic to help you get comfortable. But you are going to need to answer this. And I will tell you that in every single client win this year, we have tied, we've drawn a line from what we do to how it matters in your organization. Every single client win.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PXV3dRB5NsTuV4f60VoLe9J5H6J_o6GJXR0ZbutL0z6Y0qdqh8yOfHW9xMBTUaa4enTNATQP_a-SUsaFy_3BBrlNTYY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1013.6'>16:53</a>):</p>
<p>And you know, it all starts with - what are your goals? Well, they should be measurable goals. You're not just walking into an agreement with a client of, “oh, we're just going to, you know…” I'll slip on my AbFab hat, “We're going to ‘PR’ everything.”</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FGeX4qwC3_0bVItGU-1IRgb0pKBv0_nc6x6HOi8BEnZyYzPDC7HvHfgvVlL0BHspSevOHAaw8_CGolQ0nT1k9eU-Gwk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1027.09'>17:07</a>):</p>
<p>. Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=zGe7PAXeJOcrcEuDUEf5LdvqCTYmkvTc1sjBzS86OuH5hzihEK8wLqFdjb14xFLaZRw73qjJesWa2_Gek8u-xmpNSCw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1028.27'>17:08</a>):</p>
<p>No, yeah. You're using tactics. You have specific goals you want to achieve. So just tie your measurement back to that. It sounds so scary. And even as I'm talking about it, I'm thinking, hmm, but it really, it's not that bad. It's not, but it's important. It's very important to do.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FBE5XJSxay-PHIMqcdpoaz_IS8y9SdCFKyTdbpE28YUeUFYPGWjerkqbn4FvMxgxXeAO8biO0grIgdeVSHmzm_Nw4Ho&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1046.57'>17:26</a>):</p>
<p>I'm telling you, I was one, because I came up a different side of PR. And so initially I would remember getting twitchy, like, you want me to do what? You want me to commit to what?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tLInDy6jokhle908THKNAWe--5HRZU-BLvpd__iQNzvehVwqhUkjWYGFg3jy_yjrloIMGHZypBadTfMqiPX008pMjfg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1065.38'>17:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=JIApBv33I5nq1owH9MYZYQ9guDh6AVfm5Rfqls4U7UF5l7Q03HUhaI2fSKL4pUe-w5_qMcgQaEk-CSyh9B2vab7gX0Y&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1067.06'>17:47</a>):</p>
<p>But I am very comfortable and I still like learn. I have made this my mission to always be learning and always learn how to communicate value even better, because it matters. And to be honest with you, because I am that consumer, I want to understand what I'm getting from my spend. I am thoughtful about how I spend money. And so if somebody comes to me wanting to offer a service, I want to know what that means. Like, it can't just be shiny pretty, I mean, sometimes it can, like if I'm paying for shiny pretty, then show me how shiny pretty is. But when you're making an investment like this, you want to know that it's going to make a difference in your business. And so, please stop falling back on the company line because the industry is shifting beneath your feet. And we don't want you to fall into the hole. We want you to find yourself on solid ground on the other side.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KSTmyfsW5GNT2R12H7agvnW5-HmvA_CXi8_cTZ3XdIa5Wb_m4mmrTF7fglwISdclta2Zcvhpc-kjIPyHYNfoEMmKOmE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1126.35'>18:46</a>):</p>
<p>Right. And PR pros, you're a bunch of smarties, you know, you're savvy and, and you've got this. It's just taking the time to really stop, look around, maybe reframe how you do some things. And always be learning. And it's the fun part of what we do. We get to learn all the time, which is kind of cool. But, well, we hope we've inspired you today and please dig into some of those resources. And until next time, oh, actually, before I sign off, share this around and subscribe. . And until next time.</p>
<p>Karen Swim (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=2E0gZwrRsqx4lOS4Ig1bwu7vrChBew8_C9OrsTkWeU5j0cOWYODn_Nin6GNQEMw61oHC2pxSpvhqv6ffTTy83piPIp4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1165.88'>19:25</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=SOMCAXLC938bKyNm5N7D5eZaN5Vn60qMxLG2FQq7CbTiG3loxxMu2_eGlfAxIGXZyyTCsNvHG9Mc_E0Aj0JRRjozIE0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1166.91'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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Michelle Kane (00:01):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters and my ever-steady co-host Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you today?
Karen Swim (00:18):
Hey, Michelle. I'm doing good. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:21):
Good. Hey, we're just riding the waves of life, hanging on to our boogie boards with dear life, .
Karen Swim (00:27):
Yes, we are.
Michelle Kane (00:30):
Oh my goodness. Especially with this season. I think this episode will drop sometime in March and you know, we're coming off of all sorts of disruption in the financial world, but we're going to talk about mainly disruption in public relations, how the practice is changing, how we can go along with that, how we can be ready, how we can prepare. How, if we need to, retool our businesses and how to stay successful, to stay the successful awesome pros that we are.
Karen Swim (01:10):
You know, it's funny, I attended this fantastic webinar this week, and one of the panelists in talking about it was all on artificial intelligence. But it's a different aspect of it. It was really interesting and, and I did gain some insights. However, the panelist in talking about artificial intelligence made the statement and he said, well, you know, the public relations industry is very slow to change. And excuse me, it really bugs me because yeah, as PR practitioners, we often say that about some client industries. There are some client industries that are so slow to adopt, to change. And, I don't want to name those because this is not a time of shaming, but when he said that, it bothered me because there is a lot of truth in that. But it should not be true. It should not be true of us.
So, to be thought of as an industry that is very slow to change to me says that we wait and, and we do, we're cautious. And you always hear people say, you know, the foundation of public relations has not changed. And that's true. At the core and the heart of what we do, it has not changed. But certainly the environment around us has changed. The tools have changed, the methodologies should change. There are so many things that are different. And as this particular, as this panel, I don't know if it was the same panelist, but as they pointed out, they said, we are at a moment with artificial intelligence, much like we were with the internet, and I'm old enough to remember the birth of the internet and to remember how it was rapid innovation and how things like happened.
So it was all about the internet. It was like this new shiny thing, and it wasn't a fad, it wasn't a trend. It stuck, but there was a lot of rapid in innovation in a short period of time. We're seeing that same thing happen, happen in artificial intelligence. So, not to veer off into that topic, because we've discussed that, and we'll continue to update you, but there is disruption. And one of my greatest fears for our people, our tribe, which is public relations practitioners, is that we sit on the sidelines and we wait it out. We wait to see if something's really going to stick. And we're not responding to things like big social media changes. We're waiting out platforms. We're not jumping in and figuring out because things are not going to wait. TikTok is a perfect example. Love it, hate it. Want to be on it, feel like you can't be on it because it's all young people, or because you don't dance or sing.
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The Oscar season that just wrapped had us thinking about blockbusters and how the entertainment industry has had to adapt to find their audiences.</p>
<p>PR pros are faced with this challenge, too. From the effectiveness of big, in-person events to finding out where our target audiences are spending their time these days, we also have to be ready to pivot and try new tactics. It can be frustrating but also exciting. We talk about all of it in today’s episode of That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qRmcpu9LVP2Wbm6FOg6yC9cPOLD6l5XYJESdEmlpIoRVxFsbreDzw7SDrMnRUp4GS-aTAFxQV0yHo_ZdyLUcXcFNz3w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DoUS5G7_pXdd9ZugDobhP2OywPnejzwIohv9OhHUXI82MlYHCDqnN_YcWAwbCJuos1DgO0B60X_WrgiHuYNwDBQ_mNc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.39'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing really great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=91m_QHS_UO2F8Flz0RcMRqgRwNuMHGz0EDanH5AqS_y9pe_uxYSn5Bs085xdOZg8BVPmRiqNVdr7onP-7cKz8NjKGdI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=36.87'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Very good, very good. Well, and I think today's episode is going to be fun, especially having recently come off Oscar season thinking about big screen blockbusters. So we won't, we won't get too deep into predictions or anything like that cause that's not what we're going to talk about. But we're going to talk about, you know, how to pivot things from blockbuster to the small screen. I think over the course of the past few years, we've had to pivot a lot with the things that we do with clients or even as pros. And so we're going to chat on that a little bit today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rZn-4ZODEges2tyTKJ2qeMKbYTbOkzUviNMBsbqAim-0VTjJkXnkTF6gmW2HT-YCS112MBC3aJtRjKhAXNNvujp2Ea8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.8'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I love the theme. I mean, so when we were talking about this, this topic today, it made me think of pre-pandemic there was always the big blockbuster movie season where the studios released their signature movie and everybody flocked to see it and they lined up and it was an event, it was a thing, it was the signature thing and it was big and it was bold and they took risk and big stars and all of the things. And then the pandemic hit and our habits all shifted and audiences split and splintered and they're everywhere. And some people wait for things to come to streaming and studios have to figure out how to deliver the entertainment experience in a whole new way. And now we've lost a lot of people to in-person movies, people don't go to the movie theater anymore.</p>
<p>And so the strategies have had to evolve. And it really made me think of PR people who had these big bold blockbuster plans that they relied on. And not just in terms of in-person events, but just in our whole way that we approach targeting our audiences and everything has shifted. We've lost a lot of in-person engagement. We have a lot of fatigue with even things like webinars and digital events. Social media has splintered like crazy. There's not one platform for any one audience and good luck trying to find Gen Z and where they are because who knows? I mean, . So there's all of these differences in communication. So yeah. How do we take our big blockbuster plans and pivot them to today's audiences, which are everywhere sometimes in secret places. I feel like they're sometimes in secret places. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tCrmEO2UpeRtHo260JyO6N3eeco1sFp5ZATIW22gYzaCZlH_WpbTQ-xO25B9aRzXK3UR5jzPlX6c6AUYvA4JohB2EFw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=195.91'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and it's, yeah. It's like someone shook the snow globe. And I think also it's that people at least appear to be more segmented with where they're spending time, but also with what they're giving their attention. And I can't even make an equivalence of value of if your program or event or initiative is so valuable that people will flock to it. No, it could be the greatest, most valuable thing in the world. And the person who is not going to show up, it could change their lives. That still is not a guarantee that they will show up. And it's not, sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's a judgment call of, okay, well I only have this many hours in a month to give to this segment in my life. And then even if you plan to attend something or, you know, engage with something, life happens and, and you just can't, you know, how many, how many times have any of our days just spun off beyond what we thought it was going to be? And, and it just changes. And you know, speaking to even in-person events, I had two conversations just this morning with two separate segments. One is a trade organization, one is a representative from a local little league. Both of us are trying to put on in-person events if it's a fundraiser or just something educational and signups are dismal. And on both fronts we're considering okay, do we pivot to a different way or or are we going to pull the plug on on this event because people just are telling us what they want by their non-response.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=cXhBkqzuf-Z_SnkQWv7MNnaMCZX8yWlMPjSwZR-WP8U_ZIJuOg8Fznfo7zuF7a19j1zbFge5UF7_2iPRfFKhkNST3o4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=299.23'>04:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think even beyond me in person, I think now we really have to think about the, so you know, if you use the movie analogy, it's no longer just about the movie in theaters, it's about the longer tail. So it's about streaming and other things that you're going to pull through from that. And I think that we need to adopt our approaches to fit that mentality. So it's really thinking more long tail. There are events that are going to be for things that are fixed in time. Like a funding, a funding announcement may not have a long tail with just the funding itself. And so that is something time-based that you have to have a plan around. And that plan is really for that period of time when that funding is going to be relevant. But there's lots of other things that we can do with our strategies to think about the longer tail opportunities, even when it's something that's fixed in time.</p>
<p>So, you know, like with fundraisers, I know that we've had one of our Solo PR Pros that helped us put together a member deliverable on how she pivoted the fundraising during the pandemic and had a success story. So, you have to think about, okay, beyond this event, beyond this thing that really has a timeframe, what else can we do with this? How can we repurpose this? How can we make this accessible beyond this day, this time, this period to people? So does that mean offering something that is on demand later? Does that mean taking the assets and recreating them and using them for something different? But we really do, we have to have our eyes on the horizon. It's one of the reasons that our team loves data campaigns because they really do have a long tail and you get a lot of value from that data for months and months and months and months and months.</p>
<p>I mean, we have clients where we get coverage every single month for an entire year, and by the time that year is up, we're still getting coverage, but now we have new data. So, I do think we have to think differently. We can no longer think about the short sprint campaign and just the short sprint campaign. I mean, we should work in shorter sprints because things are moving too quickly. I know we all used to plan a year out or six months out and now we all pretty much run in quarterly sprints because it doesn't make sense to plan longer than that. So while you're planning in shorter sprints, you still have to be thinking about how that is going to go beyond that. And let's face it, if you do media relations, be prepared for the long haul.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=evVZ31cONM0gV81_TCuQXf1vAtgidABPJQnb2EyBw31ePTNSKXRClaWdQ_woKMKCGgp22rUIsk4raUq8RDWFE9gHfgw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=475.8'>07:55</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. Because, even though, yes, it may be, unless it's incredibly timely, attached to a date, it may be current, but you don't know what's in the reporter's pipeline. You don't know what else they have going on. And it may just not be, you know, we all know this, it may not be the right time and you might get a surprise in six months. Oh, hey, I want to cover this now. Okay, that's great.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pt8M6HTV-Ekv0eE3gMC1n9xC773Dy0JIHOCc1kd_jdGeFd6ehs75JsKCIP1cUdCg8TRBIuleotPzJl5kEiJlABnSQLo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=504.1'>08:24</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I’ve had radio silence and we are thoughtfully reaching out, we're thoughtfully following up and then seven months later they finally cover something and you're like, this is why you have to be persistent. Respectful but persistent and nobody said anything. And it's like, thank you reporter, so love you right now. And I mean, it's so Yeah. The long view, I think, is the way that we all have to think and that is different for a lot of us and a lot of people that haven't had to do that. And it doesn't mean that you haven't always been strategic, it's just that there's this evolution and I mean, capturing audiences, that's another area that's so segmented, you know? I even think about how we had our social media strategies baked into our overall communications plan and we thought we knew our platforms and now people were bouncing and they're bouncing all over the place. They are. It's, you know, Twitter is, oh, who knows what Twitter's doing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yf-_B-P9vhUGmMo-1FLYbeBtGiFaxVif-yx7QofHeGjZLGA1IDS5_RswltSbkXZMWbLiuy67VBIehF16ZiSZGezY2mw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=582.24'>09:42</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mMO6isnLu3m6Wvu3jsV2Pz11niY3L1xRMXPimb5WwCiYPFOrzy-AyHNv3CRmMXm473kNydKhocfckeoNI3DiJl_nhjY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=582.99'>09:42</a>):</p>
<p>I don't have Twitter as part of my communication strategy, but you know, even LinkedIn it's changing and LinkedIn has gotten so noisy and so crowded that now LinkedIn is even trying to clean up their algorithm and what gets served up in your feed. So you may have been seeing these messages popping up asking you “was the content that you just saw useful,” you know, they have a little poll. It's not a personal attack people, it really is LinkedIn working on their algorithm from week to week. People may go to Instagram and then they're like sick of that and then they bounce over to TikTok and it's like sick of that. And some people are over on BeReal because they're tired of all of it. I mean it's so, it's hard.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KR5LdEPhPKa4H6GuxSv0FgFGZun3TD6VIZX9j-fFOwOcl_ByXs3bKjxvvpeEWx95AO-qnFrNKXJDgZMDLqHrFedpEvs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=624.03'>10:24</a>):</p>
<p>There's no tried and true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=itaP7EJ1iSv9rtAmkkW_QBNOj83zumFLaP9xbWWLH2Ahzv9G2uihVknwVhPe-h9Y7gv62sr4Z2vcSDDtBcHrshtDp78&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=626.04'>10:26</a>):</p>
<p>No, there isn't. I mean yeah. Newspapers, you know, local news, like all of the stuff that back in the day were anchor points. It's just not true anymore.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b01_KKV9kEc9-qtoU6rLJNItzjcmFOa3VGJg6d26A4aDshCt5OvgDV4qrzDUC-onLC7s4dothrk5_D8wt5cHTfYBjKE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=637.74'>10:37</a>):</p>
<p>Right. It's rare to find the town square that encompasses everyone. We've lost that and that's a whole other topic for another day because it's not healthy, it's not healthy for a society to not have at least one town square. You know, we see those experiences come up from time to time. But it does all come back to really needing to focus on all of the touch points.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n8uRx_TxoVr4Tvn3mGZaGR0biQNhrbQcL6wx68hdR9CC8sAmfXcVqSDi6bumjQBN3sXdld9IB8GRZY8NbwuKBxzvNhU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=664.77'>11:04</a>):</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Ok-0CkWR-bXEzPxrmacJzKhP5If1abAbpHd1iDxKEps7mHqHIjbwbI4lsMY_GQIZdNWwRj4BIdYIjZpmbpeMyxboaw0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=665.64'>11:05</a>):</p>
<p>Because even on the content side, on the integrated marketing side, you talk to clients who are are all in for say Facebook, still, in 2023, and you think not everyone's there. So no, we have to do other things and be consistent and you're going to feel so repetitive, you're going to be so annoyed with yourself because all you're seeing is your own messaging. Well, let it go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=313jkAhH3bghcEmhhLm6M9YlQcw_ji4BaySCU4BVByBor0ZM99-KqO6Bd0NPb8Bvo5yc10W3oXIgxRMxrdY8AXc80eY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=687.37'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>. It's true. And here's where we have to be really careful. Sometimes that means that in addition to pivoting and thinking differently and being innovative and being prepared for the new complexities that we're faced with, you have to be sure that you're still delivering ROI and that you're properly setting expectations. And while you may not be raising your client's prices in the short term, some of this can be more costly. Because it means that you need a different set of tools. It means that it's taking longer to get the results that you used to get. So that adds to your cost. So you have to remain profitable, but you know, as you're bringing new clients in the door, you want to consider that because you can't get the same PR services for the same amount of money. It's a really interesting time in our profession, although I do think that there are opportunities</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=feegYeOY3xYYlF_TD4IDnqCnnxdd5_l9wVZQKktjbGcWumPGSftS1Z3kmSo6gUzCjcBF8VXrnlLeXm0cyMvaEg6gfS8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=752.35'>12:32</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, 100%.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=oa3YUZDwrhRX5aXgDR02Tgn6IesLAK5BLUBDBlRE9nqzJ1BTcvgDcqp32TbA6EL9WMMbx_m0NHownAy9NOsaT6Gf1BE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=753.4'>12:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And the opportunities are here for those of us that are willing to be creative, that are willing to look at things a little bit differently that are willing to continue to learn because companies still need that. I read an article, I think it was in the PRNews newsletter and it was talking about how in-housing is rising again. And this wasn't specifically directed towards PR agencies, but it's a good thing to keep in mind that big, big companies are looking at bringing all of this in-house and controlling it and they feel like there are things that they can do better. They feel like sometimes they have the company narrative down and that they understand the nuances and can tell the story better, but they still need agencies or outside help to bring in the things that they don't do well. And so as we have this push and pull again of do we do everything in house? Do we hire outside people? One of the ways that you can differentiate yourself is making sure that you're continuing to grow, continuing to be creative, continuing to learn and be willing to learn, and learning to, again, think beyond the short term value and really think longer term. Like how can I stretch this out? How can I ring every single drop of ROI out of my efforts?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hW-hQi0mpD30X_5MrkhqnSOeG31H82_blA32qSOkofFj94oDd-jH_cdFA4RoEwEmbHglZBDpUFLmeQ5Akt6S6sHciME&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=843.49'>14:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And keeping in mind too, this is all part of our job for our clients of being a guide. Whether that's specifically in your scope of work or not, you are the subject matter expert. We all are. And it's on us to know what's out there, to know what the opportunities are and to identify what would be a good fit that would work or that's worth trying because how many times have we started something and you have to adapt along the way because you think, oh wait, here's an opportunity, let's try this this way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=gfhqYokFG-HyU8ov2fSRzu2mUlqVQtBr2eBoK8IGyA6FlZa7yWfyv_RfuEhA5TWqf6gDWAUejb5MPlKbXcPkWt_BPBI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=880.36'>14:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I mean if you think about the entertainment industry, think about it in this way, even though we have so many ways to access content, there are still hits, there are still shows that break out from a smaller screen. There are recording artists who have a hit record that everybody's singing and knows the lyrics to. So it's not a hopeless time at all. And entertainment is a fun way to look at and make some analogies to our job, but there's still opportunity to not only win that award but make some money off the popcorn too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=y-OW116lBhrvohE1mSWTVTPFPr61SPIJqwm5SCjLi_mTK249Ln4KCgTpmhhyhkKMUNnOG-wtXpRTTIDRuYn5wzi-Y-k&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=925.4'>15:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean it's funny, I was just reading an interview with Jenna Ortega who plays Wednesday in the Netflix hit Wednesday and just her speaking about her input about the character and how that made some changes and especially her fun little dance at the one formal that just took off and went viral. That came out of, because she felt it was necessary for her to choreograph that herself and be quirky as opposed to have someone choreograph it for her. And I think it was initially supposed to be a flash mob and I'm so glad she stood her ground because that would've been the most non-Wednesday thing to happen to have a sun-shiny flash mob . But you know, I'm sure on paper or when they shot that they weren't thinking, oh this is going to go viral.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wp6oKD9HtOpkKwngZ9Z2qjHRIo5hAASLhmCOlmbgxITPzL9xxivcceYD29F9dHH2HYLRz7w89h6bgMgdHe-FbJjBpQs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=968.26'>16:08</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Yeah. No one, I mean, clients think that, yeah. Clients are like, we want this to and we cannot always predict that. But I think, and I haven't seen that show by the way, it's a hit. I haven't seen it, but it didn't affect its effectiveness and I loved the Addams family growing up, but I think it just, again, it's inspiring to know that trusting your gut and developing things that maybe don't follow the same old script. That don't follow the playbook. It really is okay. Yesterday there was this great podcast on AI and automation and it was geared towards podcasters. But the woman who was the speaker was <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/heartcastmedia/'>Molly Ruland</a> and she has a podcast media company and she said something that I think was really interesting. She said that they call pilot episodes, pilot episodes, but when she used AI to seek the questions that people were asking, no one calls it a pilot. They all call it an intro.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=z8uJi1uTSzoNNdBxzuQpVVPeruQ6tKzK-xuEYwStsWHRPwIZ5zj6kmqgY1Bn-lsiLFueLNRyItY1kAXwLobBPIcfcSw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1040.12'>17:20</a>):</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=6pidtKIceMreKM9pputm1j4G9kjy5Yf4-vVNnHHWc4i3VM3GkeExzVwsi9S76e8FkjXDa_0OA2TqWIGHFnbILdsNu6U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1041.08'>17:21</a>):</p>
<p>That little tidbit was really interesting to really think about. And as a communicator, those are the threads that we want to pull. We want to make sure that we're tapping into the pulse of our audience and that we're serving up the things that they actually want. Because sometimes we can put on our blinders too and think, ah, this is amazing, but it's not what other people want to hear, read, see. Yeah. And it's not in the language that they're speaking. So even though we have our language, and we might call it this, you may need to call it someone else, something else. Because that's what people relate to. I know for us, we have a client that deals in the independent workforce and has for years, and they do not use the word freelance, but we use the word freelance in our pitching because as much as people like Solo PR Pros hate that word, this is how people talk about us.</p>
<p>So you could fight against it and you know, you could say, but freelance is accepted. People know what that means and it's freelance. So  and that works for us. I mean, yeah, we'll insert both terms sometimes, but yes. So being willing to change up how you talk about things and trusting your gut on things like yes, be Wednesday and take control of your character development, take control of your campaign development and play your quirks in there. Put your unique spin in there. And I think that that makes work fun. You know, I do that quite often. Like I'll totally know I'll veer away from what everybody else is doing and be like, eh,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=bE95o2MMuNxhOtC8I8FVDVpR5H6huq6MrBMxLhGCIxVCX3qNBJoW-QFlX4FDf0UuAKs41Q2kt2BgoV6mTR9kJx_TeUs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1139.69'>18:59</a>):</p>
<p>. It's, it's so true. And you know, even with the way we do use language, I know, you know, sometimes clients, they're so wrapped up in what their things are called and and sometimes we have to push back and say, well that's not communicating. I know. You know what that is. But the consumer doesn't care. They just need to know if I want the thing and I want something good, I should just click here.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wMzVT-yLCXmXBTwU2OSeFZE6vidJ-QtbbdpfnLqjz94cHbGuoTzMU3TjNxJvyLvCRhl1MGioEH37DWMUYN2hcl_l3vU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1166.64'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Z2eGbYiLEESYhgcM5snsHLmpMK8D64aHCdOR2Cs79eh-F0s2Su4f-gXAGH5-PAjcp7RJ6T8x3ZHtYI0PhO8jVZFKQpI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1167.24'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>You know, just tell me what to do. Or even the way businesses can present themselves and say, oh well my model is really this. And I'm like, they don't care. They just want what you have. They don't, they don't care what it's called necessarily.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xsBhFzrK7W8PfZNpjrwSwxx67lR9t6OxDSb2roVc6giYmYoqh0UX75OwupT5gscjyBnVMqK5bnjNGHKkbO2A5SzZpZA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1180.29'>19:40</a>):</p>
<p>Totally agree. Because at the end of the day, popcorn is popcorn. You have your own brand of popcorn. You don't need to come up with a whole new name for popcorn, just call it popcorn. Because that's what people know and you sell the differentiation. Why is your popcorn better? So, right. I agree</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PUkphnbiFxdnlpGbDCYNV9WrbI3Vi_S7sCeXpV8OLN4Mo-VTgxl-sqI5-ju2jrA01acwJKQEueOeavIyOALsPIC5oCs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1199.97'>19:59</a>):</p>
<p>. So pop your popcorn. Binge binge Wednesday  or Abbott Elementary if you have not done so.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ZNRFvH0pGezzX0GXCqvup8CcNDl_PY-NeM3nYiWNwdfAEVI7JiyhHRWg2Y8M8Msuhh-9cFAjp8T-drK9KhqMdd0UVDM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1208.41'>20:08</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, good show.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8FfokvUGJB_d9ndujH_EzqMLCyF6OEB_yjMV9SqeNqxxJZ5WKuucAsRXkhwr5Cmnc-anBhG1g2m5lY7z4UJNbMhAHAo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1210.77'>20:10</a>):</p>
<p>And hey binge us!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PKhA3dnWVp27Xy8DmKoRF_meiEpYYk3VQIhpJf_ZcEsdAJTFWkAOh6lU0BeNQEtc_m7XNvNnEVQvy2hn-xBUAJ1FUuk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1213.14'>20:13</a>):</p>
<p>I have a bunch of episodes banked. Because I'm that girl. Sometimes I have them banked for my leisure time. So lovely. Don't forget that about your audiences too. Just because they didn’t respond to content immediately does not mean that they're not interested. Have a way for them to be able to store stuff away. Or access it when they're ready for it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=D9IbuuupPlzcY7duyaQVvHnN-EAvxMB9fF9y2bNcFffcnkxc-ud_i-Q73SThAkoz9vxPlwFskwI29GlvEUKb2BnWe6g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1237.59'>20:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. Well, we hope you binge on That Solo Life. On occasion. We try to keep these episodes as short as a commute or a daily walk. So please do subscribe, share it around to your friends and colleagues. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Oscar season that just wrapped had us thinking about blockbusters and how the entertainment industry has had to adapt to find their audiences.</p>
<p>PR pros are faced with this challenge, too. From the effectiveness of big, in-person events to finding out where our target audiences are spending their time these days, we also have to be ready to pivot and try new tactics. It can be frustrating but also exciting. We talk about all of it in today’s episode of That Solo Life.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qRmcpu9LVP2Wbm6FOg6yC9cPOLD6l5XYJESdEmlpIoRVxFsbreDzw7SDrMnRUp4GS-aTAFxQV0yHo_ZdyLUcXcFNz3w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=17.58'>00:17</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=DoUS5G7_pXdd9ZugDobhP2OywPnejzwIohv9OhHUXI82MlYHCDqnN_YcWAwbCJuos1DgO0B60X_WrgiHuYNwDBQ_mNc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=33.39'>00:33</a>):</p>
<p>I am doing really great, Michelle. How are you?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=91m_QHS_UO2F8Flz0RcMRqgRwNuMHGz0EDanH5AqS_y9pe_uxYSn5Bs085xdOZg8BVPmRiqNVdr7onP-7cKz8NjKGdI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=36.87'>00:36</a>):</p>
<p>Very good, very good. Well, and I think today's episode is going to be fun, especially having recently come off Oscar season thinking about big screen blockbusters. So we won't, we won't get too deep into predictions or anything like that cause that's not what we're going to talk about. But we're going to talk about, you know, how to pivot things from blockbuster to the small screen. I think over the course of the past few years, we've had to pivot a lot with the things that we do with clients or even as pros. And so we're going to chat on that a little bit today.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=rZn-4ZODEges2tyTKJ2qeMKbYTbOkzUviNMBsbqAim-0VTjJkXnkTF6gmW2HT-YCS112MBC3aJtRjKhAXNNvujp2Ea8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=70.8'>01:10</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, I love the theme. I mean, so when we were talking about this, this topic today, it made me think of pre-pandemic there was always the big blockbuster movie season where the studios released their signature movie and everybody flocked to see it and they lined up and it was an event, it was a thing, it was the signature thing and it was big and it was bold and they took risk and big stars and all of the things. And then the pandemic hit and our habits all shifted and audiences split and splintered and they're everywhere. And some people wait for things to come to streaming and studios have to figure out how to deliver the entertainment experience in a whole new way. And now we've lost a lot of people to in-person movies, people don't go to the movie theater anymore.</p>
<p>And so the strategies have had to evolve. And it really made me think of PR people who had these big bold blockbuster plans that they relied on. And not just in terms of in-person events, but just in our whole way that we approach targeting our audiences and everything has shifted. We've lost a lot of in-person engagement. We have a lot of fatigue with even things like webinars and digital events. Social media has splintered like crazy. There's not one platform for any one audience and good luck trying to find Gen Z and where they are because who knows? I mean, . So there's all of these differences in communication. So yeah. How do we take our big blockbuster plans and pivot them to today's audiences, which are everywhere sometimes in secret places. I feel like they're sometimes in secret places. .</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=tCrmEO2UpeRtHo260JyO6N3eeco1sFp5ZATIW22gYzaCZlH_WpbTQ-xO25B9aRzXK3UR5jzPlX6c6AUYvA4JohB2EFw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=195.91'>03:15</a>):</p>
<p>Well, and it's, yeah. It's like someone shook the snow globe. And I think also it's that people at least appear to be more segmented with where they're spending time, but also with what they're giving their attention. And I can't even make an equivalence of value of if your program or event or initiative is so valuable that people will flock to it. No, it could be the greatest, most valuable thing in the world. And the person who is not going to show up, it could change their lives. That still is not a guarantee that they will show up. And it's not, sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's a judgment call of, okay, well I only have this many hours in a month to give to this segment in my life. And then even if you plan to attend something or, you know, engage with something, life happens and, and you just can't, you know, how many, how many times have any of our days just spun off beyond what we thought it was going to be? And, and it just changes. And you know, speaking to even in-person events, I had two conversations just this morning with two separate segments. One is a trade organization, one is a representative from a local little league. Both of us are trying to put on in-person events if it's a fundraiser or just something educational and signups are dismal. And on both fronts we're considering okay, do we pivot to a different way or or are we going to pull the plug on on this event because people just are telling us what they want by their non-response.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=cXhBkqzuf-Z_SnkQWv7MNnaMCZX8yWlMPjSwZR-WP8U_ZIJuOg8Fznfo7zuF7a19j1zbFge5UF7_2iPRfFKhkNST3o4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=299.23'>04:59</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I think even beyond me in person, I think now we really have to think about the, so you know, if you use the movie analogy, it's no longer just about the movie in theaters, it's about the longer tail. So it's about streaming and other things that you're going to pull through from that. And I think that we need to adopt our approaches to fit that mentality. So it's really thinking more long tail. There are events that are going to be for things that are fixed in time. Like a funding, a funding announcement may not have a long tail with just the funding itself. And so that is something time-based that you have to have a plan around. And that plan is really for that period of time when that funding is going to be relevant. But there's lots of other things that we can do with our strategies to think about the longer tail opportunities, even when it's something that's fixed in time.</p>
<p>So, you know, like with fundraisers, I know that we've had one of our Solo PR Pros that helped us put together a member deliverable on how she pivoted the fundraising during the pandemic and had a success story. So, you have to think about, okay, beyond this event, beyond this thing that really has a timeframe, what else can we do with this? How can we repurpose this? How can we make this accessible beyond this day, this time, this period to people? So does that mean offering something that is on demand later? Does that mean taking the assets and recreating them and using them for something different? But we really do, we have to have our eyes on the horizon. It's one of the reasons that our team loves data campaigns because they really do have a long tail and you get a lot of value from that data for months and months and months and months and months.</p>
<p>I mean, we have clients where we get coverage every single month for an entire year, and by the time that year is up, we're still getting coverage, but now we have new data. So, I do think we have to think differently. We can no longer think about the short sprint campaign and just the short sprint campaign. I mean, we should work in shorter sprints because things are moving too quickly. I know we all used to plan a year out or six months out and now we all pretty much run in quarterly sprints because it doesn't make sense to plan longer than that. So while you're planning in shorter sprints, you still have to be thinking about how that is going to go beyond that. And let's face it, if you do media relations, be prepared for the long haul.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=evVZ31cONM0gV81_TCuQXf1vAtgidABPJQnb2EyBw31ePTNSKXRClaWdQ_woKMKCGgp22rUIsk4raUq8RDWFE9gHfgw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=475.8'>07:55</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. Because, even though, yes, it may be, unless it's incredibly timely, attached to a date, it may be current, but you don't know what's in the reporter's pipeline. You don't know what else they have going on. And it may just not be, you know, we all know this, it may not be the right time and you might get a surprise in six months. Oh, hey, I want to cover this now. Okay, that's great.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pt8M6HTV-Ekv0eE3gMC1n9xC773Dy0JIHOCc1kd_jdGeFd6ehs75JsKCIP1cUdCg8TRBIuleotPzJl5kEiJlABnSQLo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=504.1'>08:24</a>):</p>
<p>I mean, I’ve had radio silence and we are thoughtfully reaching out, we're thoughtfully following up and then seven months later they finally cover something and you're like, this is why you have to be persistent. Respectful but persistent and nobody said anything. And it's like, thank you reporter, so love you right now. And I mean, it's so Yeah. The long view, I think, is the way that we all have to think and that is different for a lot of us and a lot of people that haven't had to do that. And it doesn't mean that you haven't always been strategic, it's just that there's this evolution and I mean, capturing audiences, that's another area that's so segmented, you know? I even think about how we had our social media strategies baked into our overall communications plan and we thought we knew our platforms and now people were bouncing and they're bouncing all over the place. They are. It's, you know, Twitter is, oh, who knows what Twitter's doing.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=yf-_B-P9vhUGmMo-1FLYbeBtGiFaxVif-yx7QofHeGjZLGA1IDS5_RswltSbkXZMWbLiuy67VBIehF16ZiSZGezY2mw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=582.24'>09:42</a>):</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=mMO6isnLu3m6Wvu3jsV2Pz11niY3L1xRMXPimb5WwCiYPFOrzy-AyHNv3CRmMXm473kNydKhocfckeoNI3DiJl_nhjY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=582.99'>09:42</a>):</p>
<p>I don't have Twitter as part of my communication strategy, but you know, even LinkedIn it's changing and LinkedIn has gotten so noisy and so crowded that now LinkedIn is even trying to clean up their algorithm and what gets served up in your feed. So you may have been seeing these messages popping up asking you “was the content that you just saw useful,” you know, they have a little poll. It's not a personal attack people, it really is LinkedIn working on their algorithm from week to week. People may go to Instagram and then they're like sick of that and then they bounce over to TikTok and it's like sick of that. And some people are over on BeReal because they're tired of all of it. I mean it's so, it's hard.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=KR5LdEPhPKa4H6GuxSv0FgFGZun3TD6VIZX9j-fFOwOcl_ByXs3bKjxvvpeEWx95AO-qnFrNKXJDgZMDLqHrFedpEvs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=624.03'>10:24</a>):</p>
<p>There's no tried and true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=itaP7EJ1iSv9rtAmkkW_QBNOj83zumFLaP9xbWWLH2Ahzv9G2uihVknwVhPe-h9Y7gv62sr4Z2vcSDDtBcHrshtDp78&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=626.04'>10:26</a>):</p>
<p>No, there isn't. I mean yeah. Newspapers, you know, local news, like all of the stuff that back in the day were anchor points. It's just not true anymore.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=b01_KKV9kEc9-qtoU6rLJNItzjcmFOa3VGJg6d26A4aDshCt5OvgDV4qrzDUC-onLC7s4dothrk5_D8wt5cHTfYBjKE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=637.74'>10:37</a>):</p>
<p>Right. It's rare to find the town square that encompasses everyone. We've lost that and that's a whole other topic for another day because it's not healthy, it's not healthy for a society to not have at least one town square. You know, we see those experiences come up from time to time. But it does all come back to really needing to focus on all of the touch points.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=n8uRx_TxoVr4Tvn3mGZaGR0biQNhrbQcL6wx68hdR9CC8sAmfXcVqSDi6bumjQBN3sXdld9IB8GRZY8NbwuKBxzvNhU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=664.77'>11:04</a>):</p>
<p>I agree.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Ok-0CkWR-bXEzPxrmacJzKhP5If1abAbpHd1iDxKEps7mHqHIjbwbI4lsMY_GQIZdNWwRj4BIdYIjZpmbpeMyxboaw0&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=665.64'>11:05</a>):</p>
<p>Because even on the content side, on the integrated marketing side, you talk to clients who are are all in for say Facebook, still, in 2023, and you think not everyone's there. So no, we have to do other things and be consistent and you're going to feel so repetitive, you're going to be so annoyed with yourself because all you're seeing is your own messaging. Well, let it go.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=313jkAhH3bghcEmhhLm6M9YlQcw_ji4BaySCU4BVByBor0ZM99-KqO6Bd0NPb8Bvo5yc10W3oXIgxRMxrdY8AXc80eY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=687.37'>11:27</a>):</p>
<p>. It's true. And here's where we have to be really careful. Sometimes that means that in addition to pivoting and thinking differently and being innovative and being prepared for the new complexities that we're faced with, you have to be sure that you're still delivering ROI and that you're properly setting expectations. And while you may not be raising your client's prices in the short term, some of this can be more costly. Because it means that you need a different set of tools. It means that it's taking longer to get the results that you used to get. So that adds to your cost. So you have to remain profitable, but you know, as you're bringing new clients in the door, you want to consider that because you can't get the same PR services for the same amount of money. It's a really interesting time in our profession, although I do think that there are opportunities</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=feegYeOY3xYYlF_TD4IDnqCnnxdd5_l9wVZQKktjbGcWumPGSftS1Z3kmSo6gUzCjcBF8VXrnlLeXm0cyMvaEg6gfS8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=752.35'>12:32</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, 100%.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=oa3YUZDwrhRX5aXgDR02Tgn6IesLAK5BLUBDBlRE9nqzJ1BTcvgDcqp32TbA6EL9WMMbx_m0NHownAy9NOsaT6Gf1BE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=753.4'>12:33</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And the opportunities are here for those of us that are willing to be creative, that are willing to look at things a little bit differently that are willing to continue to learn because companies still need that. I read an article, I think it was in the PRNews newsletter and it was talking about how in-housing is rising again. And this wasn't specifically directed towards PR agencies, but it's a good thing to keep in mind that big, big companies are looking at bringing all of this in-house and controlling it and they feel like there are things that they can do better. They feel like sometimes they have the company narrative down and that they understand the nuances and can tell the story better, but they still need agencies or outside help to bring in the things that they don't do well. And so as we have this push and pull again of do we do everything in house? Do we hire outside people? One of the ways that you can differentiate yourself is making sure that you're continuing to grow, continuing to be creative, continuing to learn and be willing to learn, and learning to, again, think beyond the short term value and really think longer term. Like how can I stretch this out? How can I ring every single drop of ROI out of my efforts?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hW-hQi0mpD30X_5MrkhqnSOeG31H82_blA32qSOkofFj94oDd-jH_cdFA4RoEwEmbHglZBDpUFLmeQ5Akt6S6sHciME&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=843.49'>14:03</a>):</p>
<p>Right, right. And keeping in mind too, this is all part of our job for our clients of being a guide. Whether that's specifically in your scope of work or not, you are the subject matter expert. We all are. And it's on us to know what's out there, to know what the opportunities are and to identify what would be a good fit that would work or that's worth trying because how many times have we started something and you have to adapt along the way because you think, oh wait, here's an opportunity, let's try this this way.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=gfhqYokFG-HyU8ov2fSRzu2mUlqVQtBr2eBoK8IGyA6FlZa7yWfyv_RfuEhA5TWqf6gDWAUejb5MPlKbXcPkWt_BPBI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=880.36'>14:40</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And I mean if you think about the entertainment industry, think about it in this way, even though we have so many ways to access content, there are still hits, there are still shows that break out from a smaller screen. There are recording artists who have a hit record that everybody's singing and knows the lyrics to. So it's not a hopeless time at all. And entertainment is a fun way to look at and make some analogies to our job, but there's still opportunity to not only win that award but make some money off the popcorn too.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=y-OW116lBhrvohE1mSWTVTPFPr61SPIJqwm5SCjLi_mTK249Ln4KCgTpmhhyhkKMUNnOG-wtXpRTTIDRuYn5wzi-Y-k&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=925.4'>15:25</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I mean it's funny, I was just reading an interview with Jenna Ortega who plays Wednesday in the Netflix hit Wednesday and just her speaking about her input about the character and how that made some changes and especially her fun little dance at the one formal that just took off and went viral. That came out of, because she felt it was necessary for her to choreograph that herself and be quirky as opposed to have someone choreograph it for her. And I think it was initially supposed to be a flash mob and I'm so glad she stood her ground because that would've been the most non-Wednesday thing to happen to have a sun-shiny flash mob . But you know, I'm sure on paper or when they shot that they weren't thinking, oh this is going to go viral.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wp6oKD9HtOpkKwngZ9Z2qjHRIo5hAASLhmCOlmbgxITPzL9xxivcceYD29F9dHH2HYLRz7w89h6bgMgdHe-FbJjBpQs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=968.26'>16:08</a>):</p>
<p>Exactly. Yeah. No one, I mean, clients think that, yeah. Clients are like, we want this to and we cannot always predict that. But I think, and I haven't seen that show by the way, it's a hit. I haven't seen it, but it didn't affect its effectiveness and I loved the Addams family growing up, but I think it just, again, it's inspiring to know that trusting your gut and developing things that maybe don't follow the same old script. That don't follow the playbook. It really is okay. Yesterday there was this great podcast on AI and automation and it was geared towards podcasters. But the woman who was the speaker was <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/heartcastmedia/'>Molly Ruland</a> and she has a podcast media company and she said something that I think was really interesting. She said that they call pilot episodes, pilot episodes, but when she used AI to seek the questions that people were asking, no one calls it a pilot. They all call it an intro.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=z8uJi1uTSzoNNdBxzuQpVVPeruQ6tKzK-xuEYwStsWHRPwIZ5zj6kmqgY1Bn-lsiLFueLNRyItY1kAXwLobBPIcfcSw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1040.12'>17:20</a>):</p>
<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=6pidtKIceMreKM9pputm1j4G9kjy5Yf4-vVNnHHWc4i3VM3GkeExzVwsi9S76e8FkjXDa_0OA2TqWIGHFnbILdsNu6U&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1041.08'>17:21</a>):</p>
<p>That little tidbit was really interesting to really think about. And as a communicator, those are the threads that we want to pull. We want to make sure that we're tapping into the pulse of our audience and that we're serving up the things that they actually want. Because sometimes we can put on our blinders too and think, ah, this is amazing, but it's not what other people want to hear, read, see. Yeah. And it's not in the language that they're speaking. So even though we have our language, and we might call it this, you may need to call it someone else, something else. Because that's what people relate to. I know for us, we have a client that deals in the independent workforce and has for years, and they do not use the word freelance, but we use the word freelance in our pitching because as much as people like Solo PR Pros hate that word, this is how people talk about us.</p>
<p>So you could fight against it and you know, you could say, but freelance is accepted. People know what that means and it's freelance. So  and that works for us. I mean, yeah, we'll insert both terms sometimes, but yes. So being willing to change up how you talk about things and trusting your gut on things like yes, be Wednesday and take control of your character development, take control of your campaign development and play your quirks in there. Put your unique spin in there. And I think that that makes work fun. You know, I do that quite often. Like I'll totally know I'll veer away from what everybody else is doing and be like, eh,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=bE95o2MMuNxhOtC8I8FVDVpR5H6huq6MrBMxLhGCIxVCX3qNBJoW-QFlX4FDf0UuAKs41Q2kt2BgoV6mTR9kJx_TeUs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1139.69'>18:59</a>):</p>
<p>. It's, it's so true. And you know, even with the way we do use language, I know, you know, sometimes clients, they're so wrapped up in what their things are called and and sometimes we have to push back and say, well that's not communicating. I know. You know what that is. But the consumer doesn't care. They just need to know if I want the thing and I want something good, I should just click here.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wMzVT-yLCXmXBTwU2OSeFZE6vidJ-QtbbdpfnLqjz94cHbGuoTzMU3TjNxJvyLvCRhl1MGioEH37DWMUYN2hcl_l3vU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1166.64'>19:26</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Z2eGbYiLEESYhgcM5snsHLmpMK8D64aHCdOR2Cs79eh-F0s2Su4f-gXAGH5-PAjcp7RJ6T8x3ZHtYI0PhO8jVZFKQpI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1167.24'>19:27</a>):</p>
<p>You know, just tell me what to do. Or even the way businesses can present themselves and say, oh well my model is really this. And I'm like, they don't care. They just want what you have. They don't, they don't care what it's called necessarily.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xsBhFzrK7W8PfZNpjrwSwxx67lR9t6OxDSb2roVc6giYmYoqh0UX75OwupT5gscjyBnVMqK5bnjNGHKkbO2A5SzZpZA&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1180.29'>19:40</a>):</p>
<p>Totally agree. Because at the end of the day, popcorn is popcorn. You have your own brand of popcorn. You don't need to come up with a whole new name for popcorn, just call it popcorn. Because that's what people know and you sell the differentiation. Why is your popcorn better? So, right. I agree</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PUkphnbiFxdnlpGbDCYNV9WrbI3Vi_S7sCeXpV8OLN4Mo-VTgxl-sqI5-ju2jrA01acwJKQEueOeavIyOALsPIC5oCs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1199.97'>19:59</a>):</p>
<p>. So pop your popcorn. Binge binge Wednesday  or Abbott Elementary if you have not done so.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ZNRFvH0pGezzX0GXCqvup8CcNDl_PY-NeM3nYiWNwdfAEVI7JiyhHRWg2Y8M8Msuhh-9cFAjp8T-drK9KhqMdd0UVDM&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1208.41'>20:08</a>):</p>
<p>Oh, good show.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8FfokvUGJB_d9ndujH_EzqMLCyF6OEB_yjMV9SqeNqxxJZ5WKuucAsRXkhwr5Cmnc-anBhG1g2m5lY7z4UJNbMhAHAo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1210.77'>20:10</a>):</p>
<p>And hey binge <em>us</em>!</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=PKhA3dnWVp27Xy8DmKoRF_meiEpYYk3VQIhpJf_ZcEsdAJTFWkAOh6lU0BeNQEtc_m7XNvNnEVQvy2hn-xBUAJ1FUuk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1213.14'>20:13</a>):</p>
<p>I have a bunch of episodes banked. Because I'm that girl. Sometimes I have them banked for my leisure time. So lovely. Don't forget that about your audiences too. Just because they didn’t respond to content immediately does not mean that they're not interested. Have a way for them to be able to store stuff away. Or access it when they're ready for it.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=D9IbuuupPlzcY7duyaQVvHnN-EAvxMB9fF9y2bNcFffcnkxc-ud_i-Q73SThAkoz9vxPlwFskwI29GlvEUKb2BnWe6g&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1237.59'>20:37</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's very true. Well, we hope you binge on That Solo Life. On occasion. We try to keep these episodes as short as a commute or a daily walk. So please do subscribe, share it around to your friends and colleagues. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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PR pros are faced with this challenge, too. From the effectiveness of big, in-person events to finding out where our target audiences are spending their time these days, we also have to be ready to pivot and try new tactics. It can be frustrating but also exciting. We talk about all of it in today’s episode of That Solo Life.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:17):
Thank you for joining us for another episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane of VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi Karen, how are you?
Karen Swim, APR (00:33):
I am doing really great, Michelle. How are you?
Michelle Kane (00:36):
Very good, very good. Well, and I think today's episode is going to be fun, especially having recently come off Oscar season thinking about big screen blockbusters. So we won't, we won't get too deep into predictions or anything like that cause that's not what we're going to talk about. But we're going to talk about, you know, how to pivot things from blockbuster to the small screen. I think over the course of the past few years, we've had to pivot a lot with the things that we do with clients or even as pros. And so we're going to chat on that a little bit today.
Karen Swim, APR (01:10):
Yeah, I love the theme. I mean, so when we were talking about this, this topic today, it made me think of pre-pandemic there was always the big blockbuster movie season where the studios released their signature movie and everybody flocked to see it and they lined up and it was an event, it was a thing, it was the signature thing and it was big and it was bold and they took risk and big stars and all of the things. And then the pandemic hit and our habits all shifted and audiences split and splintered and they're everywhere. And some people wait for things to come to streaming and studios have to figure out how to deliver the entertainment experience in a whole new way. And now we've lost a lot of people to in-person movies, people don't go to the movie theater anymore.
And so the strategies have had to evolve. And it really made me think of PR people who had these big bold blockbuster plans that they relied on. And not just in terms of in-person events, but just in our whole way that we approach targeting our audiences and everything has shifted. We've lost a lot of in-person engagement. We have a lot of fatigue with even things like webinars and digital events. Social media has splintered like crazy. There's not one platform for any one audience and good luck trying to find Gen Z and where they are because who knows? I mean, . So there's all of these differences in communication. So yeah. How do we take our big blockbuster plans and pivot them to today's audiences, which are everywhere sometimes in secret places. I feel like they're sometimes in secret places. .
Michelle Kane (03:15):
Well, and it's, yeah. It's like someone shook the snow globe. And I think also it's that people at least appear to be more segmented with where they're spending time, but also with what they're giving their attention. And I can't even make an equivalence of value of if your program or event or initiative is so valuable that people will flock to it. No, it could be the greatest, most valuable thing in the world. And the person who is not going to show up, it could change their lives. That still is not a guarantee that they will show up. And it's not, sometimes it's intentional, sometimes it's a judgment call of, okay, well I only have this many hours in a month to give to this segment in my life. And then even if you plan to attend something or, you know, engage with something, life happens and, and you just can't, you know, how many, how many times have any of our days just spun off beyond what we thought i]]></itunes:summary>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The proposal. That key to landing new business for public relations professional and the tool that we love to overthink and get just right. Solo PR Pros often work alone and wonder if the proposal has the right elements. Is it comprehensive enough to win business? Does the proposal have the right look and feel. Today, we talk about how you can rock that proposal without wearing yourself out.</p>
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<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FIEgX7i9dE25mdNlpRW5TkFCjlg_5UXjNMSchshhQh3KsqOeetJ46zQEGOgZA8zWFiOo_yja33VXdPSzEQbUZtA6s9w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1.14'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another week, another episode.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=4fVwBhuq8D1rwljaVPMTxGiO3LT4tsvRZMTYSone1QvusVfqk1jDAc1wkncKn0LqnJtrtyn56bvPaiGOTGSyZsxBnys&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=16.68'>00:16</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=-B_EOLp9TCJXUGAzjzhxUDKxO8Us-S2jvgUEG5K_EuA-cbUEbu-ooLJf89yf6wFS5jbAg_6w80ZcoBkQLxMGEgVGYKc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.96'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well, thanks. Yeah, I can't complain. Can't complain. I know in recent weeks we've talked about business development and making sure that that remains a healthy part of our company. Duh. Of course, , . I'm starting off profoundly. But a significant part of that is the proposal.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=QNMTEaJOSs8fP0YirhHGSCksnqoS0ZgiJGu-fJghwN5MHSOLK5cTEtfzWkHff8kO7sd60N9mxRG8vJOvjvo2-61ZPWo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.76'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tr5nSR_iJscQBoK_Jfn8zIQaj_hBSpV_cJueAGryKhq-8LBFc_ZDxWTnh9S9hD8KwZUMaxxaF5JUN7ifewzVReujvyI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.18'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>You know, those things we love, we love to overthink or underthink or get just right. So we're going to talk about how to rock that proposal to make sure you lock in all of your new business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wADzGfOp4k8P35ys7rlhpNyaT7tHkn5NKBRzNNZr_NTZQ320XDWnJaIeohyRqV6tsYw2MzwmDYkqe9W1uviYyMj4594&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=54.78'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I actually, I don't hate proposals. I really don't. And I, over the years, I've really refined my process. So I think the first way to rock your proposal is to ensure that you have enough information to actually write one. I never write a proposal - there are rare instances, rare - I never write a proposal unless I've had a conversation, because there are times that you talk with someone and through that conversation you then decide you don't want to submit a proposal, you don't want to put anything in writing. So I'm saving this time by having a conversation where I'm pre-qualifying that customer first. If after a conversation, you know, and during that conversation, I'm not looking at it as like, I'm desperate for business . We should never, ever approach it like, I need this business, I want this. We really need to approach it as they're not only vetting us, so be prepared for all the questions, but you're vetting them to make sure that this is going to be a customer or a project, that you have the capability to do that. It's going to be a fit with how you work. Right. It allows you to explore any red fa flags that come up, and it gives you the information that you need to decide if you want to move to the next step.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vQvJd_qTbiXCJtHSqKb023pJbX2xIBGdfVODIIoAlCR7EjUGXyNtk0-SpnAdpo-PM73u5WjtDteN13TINuFVs6hBdUQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=144.18'>02:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's, that's very true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8hoWc_sVaMCbxAQ3UFpfaiMyG5P7lad6ODBv18oaFYBxWbsFJ83C9kXgXuDjVs00eTuu74OxcwBrDlzz6G2srCB1OvI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=146.49'>02:26</a>):</p>
<p>Step one is have the information that you need before you ever put one single thing on paper.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7CTQ_th8sn98rFjKFaTWaFoG0KyDQmLvcDx72Cn214DiuLveH7FGILYgWVtonSsXrOEfowELSx656xNnY95DAkX8FaE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=152.58'>02:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And an important component of that is, I know this has happened to me, and it's not to say it's not  a judgment of good or bad, but sometimes you'll speak with organizations and the conversation will determine that they don't quite yet know what they want or need. And that can take a couple of roads - then let's talk about a proposal to do an audit and make some plans or, and I had this come up recently with an organization, oh, we need this help blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well what exactly do you expect from us? Well we, we just need help. I'm like, okay, I, yeah. I can't propose based on that . Yeah. It's just a waste of all of our time and resources. But if it's still someone you want to work with, you take the time and make sure you know exactly what your scope is going to be and then go down the road. Because I'm sure we've all come across this clients that are so excited, I want to do the things. Oh, okay. Well, so the things, what are in the things?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pLatESgabTBsi9J95z-oV0QtqsuoE0PDm-JKp53OwHuNFmBUJPLIsNi-bueiPSHTGFnrqqZM8cKBHp7HOVRLBnuuGSw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=225.76'>03:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=-pUcHPdj8aMNiWyZAT5zvWx30NHRS4H65c_E0hUSXEIHM1K01oc8axXGsZmSlAuOABl_8ng_tRbqafCy_iUZOtzngYI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=226.8'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>Ah, don't, you know, I'm like, ah, no, no, , I don't know what your things are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ctSoU2QF00ct3V1K_Lque5RRnDMLhtN0WZF3n4xq5Exisa5fzNTSPaMstfYTmVsRYDi3nuDWFlH49YmNFahKmEF1qwU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=233.11'>03:53</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And this is a time that you also on your vetting call, because there's so many people when they talk about proposals, they start right in the middle and they're writing it and, you know, somebody will approach you and say, Hey, we're looking for proposals. Then say, that's great. I'd love to, you know, set up a quick call to get a better understanding of your needs. Writing a proposal. And this is, you know, RFPs sometimes, this is how that happens as well. I do not do RFPs with the exception if we're invited, it's a small number of firms and I have some personal connection. So it means that I either know the firm, the company that's inviting us to participate and we can have a phone call prior to submitting an R F P, or I've been referred by someone, a trusted source, and I still, with every RF p like to have a phone call before we put anything on paper.</p>
<p>Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for budget ranges if they don't know, throw ranges out. And usually I'll go high. Just say like, well, the reason that I'm asking is not to pin you down to a number, but to understand how to, to craft the scope of work. We don't want to propose, you know, let's say a $30,000 a month program if that's not in your range. I have always gotten a number, I've always gotten a number by being honest, because that is one of what we're all trying to do. So don't be afraid to throw a number out and to explain why you're asking. Because again, we think of the proposal as a tool to get the business. The proposal really should be a recap and a validation of what you've already agreed to and discussed. So by the time we get off of this first call or second call, if there's more than one, we already know that we want to move forward in business together. We know what the scope of work is, we know what the budget range is. We know you know, how our agency approaches the, the work. And so that proposal is really just validating everything that we've already talked about. Right. And, and so the next step really should be, yes, let's move to contract. Sometimes it doesn't happen that fast, but again, you want to treat your time preciously and not be just spitting out proposals to people without having these conversations and without having the information that you need.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xjkBxu-g6p-xxU9YFnQEv16iw6zimD0dAw-qksLX_LwWYm6_4ld5n2vrnPOfoyhg-1neej4Vf6mvYWC1dNiN1KRYx9o&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=383.54'>06:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. Because over time you'll realize what a drain that is of your energy and also of your time. And, and even within a scope, you want to start to set those boundaries to protect against scope creep. You know, what does this specifically include? I know I will base it on, this is what the scope includes. If you wish to have us do X, you know, if things grow we'll need to discuss that and how it affects budget, that kind of thing. And overall people will be reasonable. They may say, oh, you know, I only have this much budget. Okay, well we can still accomplish this for you. Yeah. So, it doesn't have to be an all or nothing. You'll resent it. And it also sets the expectation or establishes the expectation with the prospect that yeah, this costs this much. So if you really want this is what it's going to take.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7_rnDw-Kj8NPOhy2zxjBbRbGSKwA_QGoefXK2vpL594x2OlAfzxPXw306ut_hURzw38saINtyndWt1VRLyBl72_SrXQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=451.73'>07:31</a>):</p>
<p>And I, you know, so let's move into, okay, you've done all this, you've done your pre-qualification, you've gotten your information, and now you're sitting down to write a proposal. What should actually go into that proposal? One of the things that you want to make sure that you do is that you take very good notes. I use Otter AI for note taking by the way, so that I can fully lock in and listen. But you want to reflect back what they told you was important. So yeah, again, this is why you're uncovering this information. If they told you that they have a new product rollout coming in Q3, and, and this is like the biggest, you know, product enhancement or the biggest launch that they've done, you want to include that into how you're approaching the work. And you want to talk about how you're going to handle this in the proposal.</p>
<p>It needs to be about the customer and very little about you. And the about you part should come at the end. You want to lean into, okay, here's what I heard. Here's what we discussed for, depending on the customer and their approach. Like some, you know, some customers really don't want a big proposal, they just want a memo that is quick and dirty. Like, here's what we can do and here's the that we can do it for. It doesn't even need to have an about your company or any of that other stuff. It can be just like a one or two page quick menu, here are the services that we're going to offer based on our, you know, broad outline. Here are a couple of budget options, let's go. But for bigger budgets, you often are going to have to do a little more work. Right. And that's okay.</p>
<p>You can have your template. You know, sometimes we have a design template that we use that we had somebody do for us that we use over and over and we just customize it. So for bigger budgets, you're going to want to give them some insight, not only in the services that you're going to offer, but your approach. What's your methodology on how you do the work? Because that's important. How will you measure success? I am finding that measurement is one of the most important things that you can put into a proposal these days because people want to understand that they're not just giving you this big chunk of money every month and saying have at it that you're going to have some way to quantify what you're doing, what's working and what's not working, and don't be afraid to address how you will adjust and pivot if you see that a pro a pro program is not working as you projected it to work.</p>
<p>That's, you know, be a grownup about this. You want to be transparent. So definitely share how you work, what's your methodology, how do you approach this thing and give them some insight into how you think. So for example, when we do really, you know, big proposals and, and they're not big in terms of the length of pages, we will include some creative ideas like hey, you told us this. Here's some things that we would do with that. You told us that you're going to this show. Here's what we would do with that. And we come up with creative ideas and we put those in the proposal. We do not do those for every single client. We don't do those on projects. So again, your proposal is shouldn't look the same for every single thing that you are going after. You want to tailor it to that client's style.</p>
<p>You want to tailor the elements to what you heard on those discovery calls or call and make it really about them and speak in their language. So if it's a manufacturing client, you don't want to talk to them about a bunch of stuff that is not in their wheelhouse. You want to make it plain, and this is all marketing your proposal is, you know, yeah. A it's marketing. So it's marketing piece their language. You want to put in things that matter to them. You want to talk about their business, how you'll approach it. Because the goal is to show them that you listened on that call, show them that this is thoughtful, that you were thoughtful in, in the elements that you're providing. That this is not some plug and play. Like I just took this proposal, stuck your name on it and here have at it here the budgets show them that you really did put some work into this. Yeah. Doesn't mean that it has to take you, you know, 20 hours to do this, but you really do want to show that you're thoughtful.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=nByhQfsmeUUSVUz1i_8PNSsSziS0n_vtsZcqiruYy4RES-EwTOIKdsp4P-Rau0BlaWUjNjkueZUNpR_z0mrHpgNwCoU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=723.25'>12:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Absolutely. And a lot of times when you're speaking with a client, it may be outside what they say their goals are, but you may hear some things that need to be addressed so, include that too. And it doesn't have to be massive. It's just like, okay, so I heard you say this.  And we recommend solving for that pain point or you know, reaching that goal by introducing this into your, into your marketing or pr you know, whatever you're writing this for. Because that also shows that you're already to a certain extent invested in their success and their wellbeing and that you're looking out for them. And it's all those little subtleties that, not that you're trying to pull the one over on them, but you know, it's all those little subtleties that really will hopefully put you at the top of the pile because they know, oh, this person isn't just doing an exchange of, you know, input.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MjNhGG5uUEA7vpZ_kxbSZ7yeMVuFxrPxOfZG7PWHsqVRK8x3tvZ0KARkqP04J6GA2lKovlWe_ZH3zH6pxdG0SBNLVY8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.92'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I totally agree. Sorry, we just had a little internet hiccup. But I also would say that because I know sometimes we're like, okay, what do you put in your proposals? How do they look? I would say the look is the last thing that you worry about. It's really the content that you really need to focus in on. A couple of other little things that you can put in there, I would start with an acknowledgement of the previous conversation and a couple of lines about what you heard and something about their business. It's really nice on the call if you can ask them, even if you know, hopefully you do research before your calls, even if you've discovered who their competitors are and what their strengths are. You want to ask them and say, who would you say are your biggest competitors?</p>
<p>Let them tell you who's important to them because then you can take that information and you know, as you're doing the proposal, you can take a quick look at, okay, where are these competitors showing up in the media? What are the themes that they're talking about? Do they have any thought leadership? You can identify those gaps and then that's something that you can actually put into the proposal. Yeah. You can say, Hey, you know, your competitors, you know, have a lot of news about their financials, but they are not doing any thought leadership. That's an opportunity for you to build a thought leadership campaign. So that's just, you know, a quick example. Yeah. you also you know, I always think that you want to obviously include the budget and you want to be specific in what that budget cover. So what's the scope of work for that budget? It's a good time to call out things that may be extras that are not included. Right. So obviously, you know, like wire management fees or you know, wire distribution fees are not covered. So you should just say, you know, we'll right. Press releases, we'll manage the distribution, but the cost of the wire service is direct build or Yeah. Will, you know, bill it back to you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dhv03I0xhXsjK2IH2Dxkekp7vvI_HR77Fnoc-6rpgImKscOBTJGG-dWvtfLX16K_5y_Irg3GuDlpnAB7PwCYMvegq1s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=912.83'>15:12</a>):</p>
<p>And any other team members depending how you run your business. You know, if you're the type of business that you like to take all the billing and then you pay your third party people or in some instances do you want things to be direct pay or even with social media management that I do, you know, you set them up in the business account and make sure that the ads are built to their credit card. That way you're not on the hook for that stuff.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_0RdFupSNlMwHUlL3XadsJI-s4lEMRMnRapMDKwDTj6w74RkgzpGCWLbnnbtLHXa03ig51gED9yVb9cWV3Qk3EmuPjs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=938.36'>15:38</a>):</p>
<p>That's a big one. If you're doing any type of ad buys, then you do want to make that stuff direct pay. It's just cleaner and easier. Yeah. I've done it both ways, but it's nicer for them to just put it on their corporate credit card and then I manage it. Yeah. in terms of team members, I don't know how other people work, but I run an agency. We always include the team structure in our proposal. Who's going to be on your team? And who are those people's roles on the team? We want people to know I never I pay all of my people, period. The client just leaves us as a team. We send them one bill because you know, our philosophy is keep it simple, keep it clean, keep it easy for the client. I pay people, I pay people.</p>
<p>And, so you need to make sure that you have a cushion for that. If you're going that route, we'll talk about that on a separate call, but make sure that you detail who's doing the work. Because we're a senior only agency. We always make sure that clients understand that we are not just the face of the business, that we're doing the actual work because it's one of our selling points is that we don't have to ramp up. We're not a learning agency, we're not a teaching agency. We are quick, efficient and we know what we were doing and our team has a certain amount of experience and we, that's a selling point for us.  So if you are working on a team disclose those team members and what they will be doing as part of their account, I think clients really appreciate when you, if you do work in a team and you say your team will be, because again, it's all of those little attentions to being thoughtful and showing them that this is something that you put together for them and not for just any old client and you're just plug and play.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qh8LdxZP1Qzab-Qsi1S4KKve8XTWhnyhbUX6clxdjnwO_sNQOC5uXk4Lof9PXnmffhrkN8cneV3HO_H6Ny8ZSz3lwHk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1052.9'>17:32</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And your saying plug and play just brings to mind. And I know those who suggest this, they mean, well, I'm sure you've seen it, you know, people saying, oh, here's your proposal, you know, worksheet, you just pop the stuff in. I'm like, well that might work for your industry, but it doesn't really work for ours where we do have to tailor things. It's, it's not just, you know, you'll get 10 of these and five of those and this is the date or however that might work. Yeah. It doesn't work for, so please don't beat yourself up if, if you get frustrated like I did in the past of well why can't I make that work? What's wrong with me? Nothing. No. It's just not the way our industry works. We need to be Yeah. You know, we need to customize our proposals to a certain extent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Dm67ZLD3_8VZkSpCS4VWLwQgwxXnDO491IGdkAz79ChvepJI0YDMye5E7f3FJBGwa2LVRlOh4I43MN8b9Scetn5lRPo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1104.6'>18:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I, and, and so when I say plug and play, I Oh</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=iBlEGOjiv-Bx3vGJo0zmck9G3_2zbgbUspfQYJ_aTXIHKfA1rYg2TI0jQ0jlHsT5EbbrPIaHDpLtRdWuTV4AD3HlHd8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1108.68'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I didn't mean to Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=IYs1_HI0aSLbvkHtB5rrPkAyuW7yuC3qH0-3KIvuFCtH-XRozXZGjc2_3J8G7teXPgBgBD46KY0T_2QvRYzP6ibvsuk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1110.06'>18:30</a>):</p>
<p>People just wipe out the name and everything is always the same. Yeah. You definitely want to have phrases that you use, like language that you use, like your bio that's not going to change a whole lot. And so you want to be able to pop up your bio in your team member's bios in, you know, image that you may use. You want to have those at the get go. You want to have a template that you really do use. That makes life a lot easier. Yeah. But I would also say don't be afraid to be creative. I can remember for one client rather than a written proposal, we did a video. Oh, cool. We put together this video and yes, we won the account and yes, years later we go on that account because again, you're tailoring things to the personality of the organization and you know, in this, it's like, here's somebody that really appreciates like wild creativity. Like just do things that are not standard. So we did something very different for that particular client. And we take that approach with all of our clients. We, again, we try to really, and, and you should all be doing this too, you know, again, if it's the quick and dirty person that just wants that memo, do a memo. Don't, don't put in a whole lot of extra that's not going to be meaningful to them. If it's somebody that on your call just, you know, they honed in and they're like, how do you measure that? What's the ROI? You want to make sure that that's front and center on your proposal. So, you know, the, the order of things could vary and what you include could vary slightly with each client because you're matching it to the customer.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ObHJiDlGXht136C8KrqOr4v4meC8Aeq9mwFCaG2FmM0f0y5-jD2TNxmrEVAH6aopX9EuhwT1gbJgyX965MNlw0-PyXg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1212.9'>20:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, I love how you, you just took that and ran with it and, and I think all of those things, again, they help communicate to the client that, hey, we get you, it's early days, but we get you and that's going to help, you know, that's going to carry us both far if we work together. And I think that's important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hnarKm-m5DMerGIp8Ajv76DUKtm2mZmLCssZeCE4ZsZFYyj1rD4cmch7x8mhbbft75iPQNR1MysVP-K5esAHP2ybR8I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1233.96'>20:33</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, if you are looking at your proposal and saying, I'm not sure I'm doing this right. And, and this happens to everybody and I, you know, we know your secret is out solo PR pros because this happens with all communication professionals. We are always questioning if we're doing this right or if we're good enough. And so  like me, you probably have an entire file folder, a digital file folder of proposals, not only that you've written, but you collect them. Like if somebody puts out like, yeah, these proposals, you're all over it, you're downloading it and you're keeping all the files and you're hoarding it because we always want to see what, you know, we're, we're nosy and we're like, okay, my proposal is good as that person's proposal, does it look the same? Oh, what did they do? What's different? Yeah. I also want to leave you with one little tool that you can use that is so fantastic, but it does take just a teeny bit of a learning curve.</p>
<p>And that's Proposify. For the cost of that tool, you will make that 10 times over if you win even one client using Proposify. It's amazing. And if you're somebody like me that, you know, sometimes I do like, I'm kind of a not conventional in the way that I do my work. And so sometimes I'm just in a mood and I just want to j step up or change it up propose I lets you do that because you can apply different looks in different films and you can do different elements and you know, I have crazy ideas that I'll throw into the proposal. Like, ah, I don't want to do the same old, same old that  that we do in PR. And so I come up with like all of these off the wall things. So if you're somebody like that, you just, you know, you live in a house and sometimes you move a chair just because, not because it didn't work, just because you're tired of seeing it in that place, , then with a tool like Proposify, the vibe could be your best friend. Because again, it lets you customize different things and also it has this library of stuff that you can pull from to make it easier.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=W6C9sF3xQbsXbXnLouajjwYCvCq6BISEvVD3dLnzIWFHkElgeEjvQl6ILpJ8RYnctP-VDWcG1KsBoYr2nrdFZhrw4ZU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1364.02'>22:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_COYo4wgr8qDjZ9dkKc6_vhMBINzaPx-Dj9sa_mbqsRTJqZGwB0NqvLirp31tP3vIIgJ24hmQ4DLFUc61_YN9z08_a4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1364.89'>22:44</a>):</p>
<p>I want to say like, I don't know, it's really cheap though, to be honest with you. You pay an annual cost and again, if you win one client, you've already paid for the doc on thing. And so I love those tools that immediately show you an ROI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k5JYgj6BrLFUjdYeeJuqmAUbIfMjG-O4rydR1qibqNeuyRR-j3DpSm5vz6Dm3tjz7M5r8dilgpJshJ4tVNkLCYnvIjg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1380.25'>23:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. And it can help you get inspired too because how often do we stare at a blank page, even when we're writing something, you just can't get started, you know, so maybe you'll start in the middle. Well, that's okay. That's okay. Because sometimes that's the hardest part, right? Getting your scope and your details in place and then you can bop around and make sure your terms and what you're about and all that. But Proposify, I have used it in the past too. It's terrific. It does give you a little bit of that verification too. Oh yeah. I am including the right parts. Okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RZhivWihzc7NFkS4BD3XYxFadWD_T6eLCd-LewyNTH_Yj-VgGqYdVhAVK_bwbnm6mZIPPskIqh1tNZD3jLBdg503OUY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1415.62'>23:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. That is such a good point. If you're sitting there and going, did I miss something? Right, because I, you know, I do realize that some our solos really do work as a solo. It's just them. And so for you if you're not a member of our group, you don't have that water cooler to go can somebody look at this? Can I see one of your proposals? Am I doing this right? Yeah, yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=1g2DL_KEwqYKhkyGc-0bbITwrFBSoMWd128RcQyZJyTAy05cG1hP8ijIMa-OuU3VYUoU5pwh5l1RJpXh-QdHstwvv9c&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1440.83'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. No, it's so true. So true. So once again, we hope this has been valuable time for you. We know we always enjoy getting on here and talking shop. And please do subscribe if you've found this valuable and please share it around if you think it could help someone else that you know. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The proposal. That key to landing new business for public relations professional and the tool that we love to overthink and get just right. Solo PR Pros often work alone and wonder if the proposal has the right elements. Is it comprehensive enough to win business? Does the proposal have the right look and feel. Today, we talk about how you can rock that proposal without wearing yourself out.</p>
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<p>Transcript:</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=FIEgX7i9dE25mdNlpRW5TkFCjlg_5UXjNMSchshhQh3KsqOeetJ46zQEGOgZA8zWFiOo_yja33VXdPSzEQbUZtA6s9w&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1.14'>00:01</a>):</p>
<p>Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another week, another episode.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=4fVwBhuq8D1rwljaVPMTxGiO3LT4tsvRZMTYSone1QvusVfqk1jDAc1wkncKn0LqnJtrtyn56bvPaiGOTGSyZsxBnys&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=16.68'>00:16</a>):</p>
<p>Hey, Michelle. How are you doing today?</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=-B_EOLp9TCJXUGAzjzhxUDKxO8Us-S2jvgUEG5K_EuA-cbUEbu-ooLJf89yf6wFS5jbAg_6w80ZcoBkQLxMGEgVGYKc&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=18.96'>00:18</a>):</p>
<p>I'm doing well, thanks. Yeah, I can't complain. Can't complain. I know in recent weeks we've talked about business development and making sure that that remains a healthy part of our company. Duh. Of course, , . I'm starting off profoundly. But a significant part of that is the proposal.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=QNMTEaJOSs8fP0YirhHGSCksnqoS0ZgiJGu-fJghwN5MHSOLK5cTEtfzWkHff8kO7sd60N9mxRG8vJOvjvo2-61ZPWo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=42.76'>00:42</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Tr5nSR_iJscQBoK_Jfn8zIQaj_hBSpV_cJueAGryKhq-8LBFc_ZDxWTnh9S9hD8KwZUMaxxaF5JUN7ifewzVReujvyI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=43.18'>00:43</a>):</p>
<p>You know, those things we love, we love to overthink or underthink or get just right. So we're going to talk about how to rock that proposal to make sure you lock in all of your new business.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=wADzGfOp4k8P35ys7rlhpNyaT7tHkn5NKBRzNNZr_NTZQ320XDWnJaIeohyRqV6tsYw2MzwmDYkqe9W1uviYyMj4594&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=54.78'>00:54</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I actually, I don't hate proposals. I really don't. And I, over the years, I've really refined my process. So I think the first way to rock your proposal is to ensure that you have enough information to actually write one. I never write a proposal - there are rare instances, rare - I never write a proposal unless I've had a conversation, because there are times that you talk with someone and through that conversation you then decide you don't want to submit a proposal, you don't want to put anything in writing. So I'm saving this time by having a conversation where I'm pre-qualifying that customer first. If after a conversation, you know, and during that conversation, I'm not looking at it as like, I'm desperate for business . We should never, ever approach it like, I need this business, I want this. We really need to approach it as they're not only vetting us, so be prepared for all the questions, but you're vetting them to make sure that this is going to be a customer or a project, that you have the capability to do that. It's going to be a fit with how you work. Right. It allows you to explore any red fa flags that come up, and it gives you the information that you need to decide if you want to move to the next step.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=vQvJd_qTbiXCJtHSqKb023pJbX2xIBGdfVODIIoAlCR7EjUGXyNtk0-SpnAdpo-PM73u5WjtDteN13TINuFVs6hBdUQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=144.18'>02:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, that's, that's very true.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=8hoWc_sVaMCbxAQ3UFpfaiMyG5P7lad6ODBv18oaFYBxWbsFJ83C9kXgXuDjVs00eTuu74OxcwBrDlzz6G2srCB1OvI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=146.49'>02:26</a>):</p>
<p>Step one is have the information that you need before you ever put one single thing on paper.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7CTQ_th8sn98rFjKFaTWaFoG0KyDQmLvcDx72Cn214DiuLveH7FGILYgWVtonSsXrOEfowELSx656xNnY95DAkX8FaE&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=152.58'>02:32</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And an important component of that is, I know this has happened to me, and it's not to say it's not  a judgment of good or bad, but sometimes you'll speak with organizations and the conversation will determine that they don't quite yet know what they want or need. And that can take a couple of roads - then let's talk about a proposal to do an audit and make some plans or, and I had this come up recently with an organization, oh, we need this help blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well what exactly do you expect from us? Well we, we just need help. I'm like, okay, I, yeah. I can't propose based on that . Yeah. It's just a waste of all of our time and resources. But if it's still someone you want to work with, you take the time and make sure you know exactly what your scope is going to be and then go down the road. Because I'm sure we've all come across this clients that are so excited, I want to do the things. Oh, okay. Well, so the things, what are in the things?</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=pLatESgabTBsi9J95z-oV0QtqsuoE0PDm-JKp53OwHuNFmBUJPLIsNi-bueiPSHTGFnrqqZM8cKBHp7HOVRLBnuuGSw&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=225.76'>03:45</a>):</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=-pUcHPdj8aMNiWyZAT5zvWx30NHRS4H65c_E0hUSXEIHM1K01oc8axXGsZmSlAuOABl_8ng_tRbqafCy_iUZOtzngYI&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=226.8'>03:46</a>):</p>
<p>Ah, don't, you know, I'm like, ah, no, no, , I don't know what your things are.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ctSoU2QF00ct3V1K_Lque5RRnDMLhtN0WZF3n4xq5Exisa5fzNTSPaMstfYTmVsRYDi3nuDWFlH49YmNFahKmEF1qwU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=233.11'>03:53</a>):</p>
<p>I completely agree. And this is a time that you also on your vetting call, because there's so many people when they talk about proposals, they start right in the middle and they're writing it and, you know, somebody will approach you and say, Hey, we're looking for proposals. Then say, that's great. I'd love to, you know, set up a quick call to get a better understanding of your needs. Writing a proposal. And this is, you know, RFPs sometimes, this is how that happens as well. I do not do RFPs with the exception if we're invited, it's a small number of firms and I have some personal connection. So it means that I either know the firm, the company that's inviting us to participate and we can have a phone call prior to submitting an R F P, or I've been referred by someone, a trusted source, and I still, with every RF p like to have a phone call before we put anything on paper.</p>
<p>Yeah, don't be afraid to ask for budget ranges if they don't know, throw ranges out. And usually I'll go high. Just say like, well, the reason that I'm asking is not to pin you down to a number, but to understand how to, to craft the scope of work. We don't want to propose, you know, let's say a $30,000 a month program if that's not in your range. I have always gotten a number, I've always gotten a number by being honest, because that is one of what we're all trying to do. So don't be afraid to throw a number out and to explain why you're asking. Because again, we think of the proposal as a tool to get the business. The proposal really should be a recap and a validation of what you've already agreed to and discussed. So by the time we get off of this first call or second call, if there's more than one, we already know that we want to move forward in business together. We know what the scope of work is, we know what the budget range is. We know you know, how our agency approaches the, the work. And so that proposal is really just validating everything that we've already talked about. Right. And, and so the next step really should be, yes, let's move to contract. Sometimes it doesn't happen that fast, but again, you want to treat your time preciously and not be just spitting out proposals to people without having these conversations and without having the information that you need.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=xjkBxu-g6p-xxU9YFnQEv16iw6zimD0dAw-qksLX_LwWYm6_4ld5n2vrnPOfoyhg-1neej4Vf6mvYWC1dNiN1KRYx9o&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=383.54'>06:23</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. Because over time you'll realize what a drain that is of your energy and also of your time. And, and even within a scope, you want to start to set those boundaries to protect against scope creep. You know, what does this specifically include? I know I will base it on, this is what the scope includes. If you wish to have us do X, you know, if things grow we'll need to discuss that and how it affects budget, that kind of thing. And overall people will be reasonable. They may say, oh, you know, I only have this much budget. Okay, well we can still accomplish this for you. Yeah. So, it doesn't have to be an all or nothing. You'll resent it. And it also sets the expectation or establishes the expectation with the prospect that yeah, this costs this much. So if you really want this is what it's going to take.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=7_rnDw-Kj8NPOhy2zxjBbRbGSKwA_QGoefXK2vpL594x2OlAfzxPXw306ut_hURzw38saINtyndWt1VRLyBl72_SrXQ&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=451.73'>07:31</a>):</p>
<p>And I, you know, so let's move into, okay, you've done all this, you've done your pre-qualification, you've gotten your information, and now you're sitting down to write a proposal. What should actually go into that proposal? One of the things that you want to make sure that you do is that you take very good notes. I use Otter AI for note taking by the way, so that I can fully lock in and listen. But you want to reflect back what they told you was important. So yeah, again, this is why you're uncovering this information. If they told you that they have a new product rollout coming in Q3, and, and this is like the biggest, you know, product enhancement or the biggest launch that they've done, you want to include that into how you're approaching the work. And you want to talk about how you're going to handle this in the proposal.</p>
<p>It needs to be about the customer and very little about you. And the about you part should come at the end. You want to lean into, okay, here's what I heard. Here's what we discussed for, depending on the customer and their approach. Like some, you know, some customers really don't want a big proposal, they just want a memo that is quick and dirty. Like, here's what we can do and here's the that we can do it for. It doesn't even need to have an about your company or any of that other stuff. It can be just like a one or two page quick menu, here are the services that we're going to offer based on our, you know, broad outline. Here are a couple of budget options, let's go. But for bigger budgets, you often are going to have to do a little more work. Right. And that's okay.</p>
<p>You can have your template. You know, sometimes we have a design template that we use that we had somebody do for us that we use over and over and we just customize it. So for bigger budgets, you're going to want to give them some insight, not only in the services that you're going to offer, but your approach. What's your methodology on how you do the work? Because that's important. How will you measure success? I am finding that measurement is one of the most important things that you can put into a proposal these days because people want to understand that they're not just giving you this big chunk of money every month and saying have at it that you're going to have some way to quantify what you're doing, what's working and what's not working, and don't be afraid to address how you will adjust and pivot if you see that a pro a pro program is not working as you projected it to work.</p>
<p>That's, you know, be a grownup about this. You want to be transparent. So definitely share how you work, what's your methodology, how do you approach this thing and give them some insight into how you think. So for example, when we do really, you know, big proposals and, and they're not big in terms of the length of pages, we will include some creative ideas like hey, you told us this. Here's some things that we would do with that. You told us that you're going to this show. Here's what we would do with that. And we come up with creative ideas and we put those in the proposal. We do not do those for every single client. We don't do those on projects. So again, your proposal is shouldn't look the same for every single thing that you are going after. You want to tailor it to that client's style.</p>
<p>You want to tailor the elements to what you heard on those discovery calls or call and make it really about them and speak in their language. So if it's a manufacturing client, you don't want to talk to them about a bunch of stuff that is not in their wheelhouse. You want to make it plain, and this is all marketing your proposal is, you know, yeah. A it's marketing. So it's marketing piece their language. You want to put in things that matter to them. You want to talk about their business, how you'll approach it. Because the goal is to show them that you listened on that call, show them that this is thoughtful, that you were thoughtful in, in the elements that you're providing. That this is not some plug and play. Like I just took this proposal, stuck your name on it and here have at it here the budgets show them that you really did put some work into this. Yeah. Doesn't mean that it has to take you, you know, 20 hours to do this, but you really do want to show that you're thoughtful.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=nByhQfsmeUUSVUz1i_8PNSsSziS0n_vtsZcqiruYy4RES-EwTOIKdsp4P-Rau0BlaWUjNjkueZUNpR_z0mrHpgNwCoU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=723.25'>12:03</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. Absolutely. And a lot of times when you're speaking with a client, it may be outside what they say their goals are, but you may hear some things that need to be addressed so, include that too. And it doesn't have to be massive. It's just like, okay, so I heard you say this.  And we recommend solving for that pain point or you know, reaching that goal by introducing this into your, into your marketing or pr you know, whatever you're writing this for. Because that also shows that you're already to a certain extent invested in their success and their wellbeing and that you're looking out for them. And it's all those little subtleties that, not that you're trying to pull the one over on them, but you know, it's all those little subtleties that really will hopefully put you at the top of the pile because they know, oh, this person isn't just doing an exchange of, you know, input.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=MjNhGG5uUEA7vpZ_kxbSZ7yeMVuFxrPxOfZG7PWHsqVRK8x3tvZ0KARkqP04J6GA2lKovlWe_ZH3zH6pxdG0SBNLVY8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=791.92'>13:11</a>):</p>
<p>I totally agree. Sorry, we just had a little internet hiccup. But I also would say that because I know sometimes we're like, okay, what do you put in your proposals? How do they look? I would say the look is the last thing that you worry about. It's really the content that you really need to focus in on. A couple of other little things that you can put in there, I would start with an acknowledgement of the previous conversation and a couple of lines about what you heard and something about their business. It's really nice on the call if you can ask them, even if you know, hopefully you do research before your calls, even if you've discovered who their competitors are and what their strengths are. You want to ask them and say, who would you say are your biggest competitors?</p>
<p>Let them tell you who's important to them because then you can take that information and you know, as you're doing the proposal, you can take a quick look at, okay, where are these competitors showing up in the media? What are the themes that they're talking about? Do they have any thought leadership? You can identify those gaps and then that's something that you can actually put into the proposal. Yeah. You can say, Hey, you know, your competitors, you know, have a lot of news about their financials, but they are not doing any thought leadership. That's an opportunity for you to build a thought leadership campaign. So that's just, you know, a quick example. Yeah. you also you know, I always think that you want to obviously include the budget and you want to be specific in what that budget cover. So what's the scope of work for that budget? It's a good time to call out things that may be extras that are not included. Right. So obviously, you know, like wire management fees or you know, wire distribution fees are not covered. So you should just say, you know, we'll right. Press releases, we'll manage the distribution, but the cost of the wire service is direct build or Yeah. Will, you know, bill it back to you.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=dhv03I0xhXsjK2IH2Dxkekp7vvI_HR77Fnoc-6rpgImKscOBTJGG-dWvtfLX16K_5y_Irg3GuDlpnAB7PwCYMvegq1s&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=912.83'>15:12</a>):</p>
<p>And any other team members depending how you run your business. You know, if you're the type of business that you like to take all the billing and then you pay your third party people or in some instances do you want things to be direct pay or even with social media management that I do, you know, you set them up in the business account and make sure that the ads are built to their credit card. That way you're not on the hook for that stuff.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_0RdFupSNlMwHUlL3XadsJI-s4lEMRMnRapMDKwDTj6w74RkgzpGCWLbnnbtLHXa03ig51gED9yVb9cWV3Qk3EmuPjs&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=938.36'>15:38</a>):</p>
<p>That's a big one. If you're doing any type of ad buys, then you do want to make that stuff direct pay. It's just cleaner and easier. Yeah. I've done it both ways, but it's nicer for them to just put it on their corporate credit card and then I manage it. Yeah. in terms of team members, I don't know how other people work, but I run an agency. We always include the team structure in our proposal. Who's going to be on your team? And who are those people's roles on the team? We want people to know I never I pay all of my people, period. The client just leaves us as a team. We send them one bill because you know, our philosophy is keep it simple, keep it clean, keep it easy for the client. I pay people, I pay people.</p>
<p>And, so you need to make sure that you have a cushion for that. If you're going that route, we'll talk about that on a separate call, but make sure that you detail who's doing the work. Because we're a senior only agency. We always make sure that clients understand that we are not just the face of the business, that we're doing the actual work because it's one of our selling points is that we don't have to ramp up. We're not a learning agency, we're not a teaching agency. We are quick, efficient and we know what we were doing and our team has a certain amount of experience and we, that's a selling point for us.  So if you are working on a team disclose those team members and what they will be doing as part of their account, I think clients really appreciate when you, if you do work in a team and you say your team will be, because again, it's all of those little attentions to being thoughtful and showing them that this is something that you put together for them and not for just any old client and you're just plug and play.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=qh8LdxZP1Qzab-Qsi1S4KKve8XTWhnyhbUX6clxdjnwO_sNQOC5uXk4Lof9PXnmffhrkN8cneV3HO_H6Ny8ZSz3lwHk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1052.9'>17:32</a>):</p>
<p>Right. Right. And your saying plug and play just brings to mind. And I know those who suggest this, they mean, well, I'm sure you've seen it, you know, people saying, oh, here's your proposal, you know, worksheet, you just pop the stuff in. I'm like, well that might work for your industry, but it doesn't really work for ours where we do have to tailor things. It's, it's not just, you know, you'll get 10 of these and five of those and this is the date or however that might work. Yeah. It doesn't work for, so please don't beat yourself up if, if you get frustrated like I did in the past of well why can't I make that work? What's wrong with me? Nothing. No. It's just not the way our industry works. We need to be Yeah. You know, we need to customize our proposals to a certain extent.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=Dm67ZLD3_8VZkSpCS4VWLwQgwxXnDO491IGdkAz79ChvepJI0YDMye5E7f3FJBGwa2LVRlOh4I43MN8b9Scetn5lRPo&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1104.6'>18:24</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I, and, and so when I say plug and play, I Oh</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=iBlEGOjiv-Bx3vGJo0zmck9G3_2zbgbUspfQYJ_aTXIHKfA1rYg2TI0jQ0jlHsT5EbbrPIaHDpLtRdWuTV4AD3HlHd8&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1108.68'>18:28</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. I didn't mean to Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=IYs1_HI0aSLbvkHtB5rrPkAyuW7yuC3qH0-3KIvuFCtH-XRozXZGjc2_3J8G7teXPgBgBD46KY0T_2QvRYzP6ibvsuk&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1110.06'>18:30</a>):</p>
<p>People just wipe out the name and everything is always the same. Yeah. You definitely want to have phrases that you use, like language that you use, like your bio that's not going to change a whole lot. And so you want to be able to pop up your bio in your team member's bios in, you know, image that you may use. You want to have those at the get go. You want to have a template that you really do use. That makes life a lot easier. Yeah. But I would also say don't be afraid to be creative. I can remember for one client rather than a written proposal, we did a video. Oh, cool. We put together this video and yes, we won the account and yes, years later we go on that account because again, you're tailoring things to the personality of the organization and you know, in this, it's like, here's somebody that really appreciates like wild creativity. Like just do things that are not standard. So we did something very different for that particular client. And we take that approach with all of our clients. We, again, we try to really, and, and you should all be doing this too, you know, again, if it's the quick and dirty person that just wants that memo, do a memo. Don't, don't put in a whole lot of extra that's not going to be meaningful to them. If it's somebody that on your call just, you know, they honed in and they're like, how do you measure that? What's the ROI? You want to make sure that that's front and center on your proposal. So, you know, the, the order of things could vary and what you include could vary slightly with each client because you're matching it to the customer.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=ObHJiDlGXht136C8KrqOr4v4meC8Aeq9mwFCaG2FmM0f0y5-jD2TNxmrEVAH6aopX9EuhwT1gbJgyX965MNlw0-PyXg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1212.9'>20:12</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. And, I love how you, you just took that and ran with it and, and I think all of those things, again, they help communicate to the client that, hey, we get you, it's early days, but we get you and that's going to help, you know, that's going to carry us both far if we work together. And I think that's important.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=hnarKm-m5DMerGIp8Ajv76DUKtm2mZmLCssZeCE4ZsZFYyj1rD4cmch7x8mhbbft75iPQNR1MysVP-K5esAHP2ybR8I&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1233.96'>20:33</a>):</p>
<p>Absolutely. Absolutely. So, you know, if you are looking at your proposal and saying, I'm not sure I'm doing this right. And, and this happens to everybody and I, you know, we know your secret is out solo PR pros because this happens with all communication professionals. We are always questioning if we're doing this right or if we're good enough. And so  like me, you probably have an entire file folder, a digital file folder of proposals, not only that you've written, but you collect them. Like if somebody puts out like, yeah, these proposals, you're all over it, you're downloading it and you're keeping all the files and you're hoarding it because we always want to see what, you know, we're, we're nosy and we're like, okay, my proposal is good as that person's proposal, does it look the same? Oh, what did they do? What's different? Yeah. I also want to leave you with one little tool that you can use that is so fantastic, but it does take just a teeny bit of a learning curve.</p>
<p>And that's Proposify. For the cost of that tool, you will make that 10 times over if you win even one client using Proposify. It's amazing. And if you're somebody like me that, you know, sometimes I do like, I'm kind of a not conventional in the way that I do my work. And so sometimes I'm just in a mood and I just want to j step up or change it up propose I lets you do that because you can apply different looks in different films and you can do different elements and you know, I have crazy ideas that I'll throw into the proposal. Like, ah, I don't want to do the same old, same old that  that we do in PR. And so I come up with like all of these off the wall things. So if you're somebody like that, you just, you know, you live in a house and sometimes you move a chair just because, not because it didn't work, just because you're tired of seeing it in that place, , then with a tool like Proposify, the vibe could be your best friend. Because again, it lets you customize different things and also it has this library of stuff that you can pull from to make it easier.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=W6C9sF3xQbsXbXnLouajjwYCvCq6BISEvVD3dLnzIWFHkElgeEjvQl6ILpJ8RYnctP-VDWcG1KsBoYr2nrdFZhrw4ZU&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1364.02'>22:44</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=_COYo4wgr8qDjZ9dkKc6_vhMBINzaPx-Dj9sa_mbqsRTJqZGwB0NqvLirp31tP3vIIgJ24hmQ4DLFUc61_YN9z08_a4&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1364.89'>22:44</a>):</p>
<p>I want to say like, I don't know, it's really cheap though, to be honest with you. You pay an annual cost and again, if you win one client, you've already paid for the doc on thing. And so I love those tools that immediately show you an ROI.</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=k5JYgj6BrLFUjdYeeJuqmAUbIfMjG-O4rydR1qibqNeuyRR-j3DpSm5vz6Dm3tjz7M5r8dilgpJshJ4tVNkLCYnvIjg&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1380.25'>23:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah, yeah. And it can help you get inspired too because how often do we stare at a blank page, even when we're writing something, you just can't get started, you know, so maybe you'll start in the middle. Well, that's okay. That's okay. Because sometimes that's the hardest part, right? Getting your scope and your details in place and then you can bop around and make sure your terms and what you're about and all that. But Proposify, I have used it in the past too. It's terrific. It does give you a little bit of that verification too. Oh yeah. I am including the right parts. Okay.</p>
<p>Karen Swim, APR (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=RZhivWihzc7NFkS4BD3XYxFadWD_T6eLCd-LewyNTH_Yj-VgGqYdVhAVK_bwbnm6mZIPPskIqh1tNZD3jLBdg503OUY&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1415.62'>23:35</a>):</p>
<p>Yes. That is such a good point. If you're sitting there and going, did I miss something? Right, because I, you know, I do realize that some our solos really do work as a solo. It's just them. And so for you if you're not a member of our group, you don't have that water cooler to go can somebody look at this? Can I see one of your proposals? Am I doing this right? Yeah, yeah,</p>
<p>Michelle Kane (<a href='https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/Edit?token=1g2DL_KEwqYKhkyGc-0bbITwrFBSoMWd128RcQyZJyTAy05cG1hP8ijIMa-OuU3VYUoU5pwh5l1RJpXh-QdHstwvv9c&loadFrom=DocumentDeeplink&ts=1440.83'>24:00</a>):</p>
<p>Yeah. No, it's so true. So true. So once again, we hope this has been valuable time for you. We know we always enjoy getting on here and talking shop. And please do subscribe if you've found this valuable and please share it around if you think it could help someone else that you know. And until next time, thanks for listening to That Solo Life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The proposal. That key to landing new business for public relations professional and the tool that we love to overthink and get just right. Solo PR Pros often work alone and wonder if the proposal has the right elements. Is it comprehensive enough to win business? Does the proposal have the right look and feel. Today, we talk about how you can rock that proposal without wearing yourself out.
 
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Michelle Kane (00:01):
Thank you for joining us for this episode of That Solo Life, the podcast for PR pros and marketers who work for themselves, people like me, Michelle Kane, with VoiceMatters, and my wonderful co-host, Karen Swim of Solo PR Pro. Hi, Karen. It's another week, another episode.
Karen Swim, APR (00:16):
Hey, Michelle. How are you doing today?
Michelle Kane (00:18):
I'm doing well, thanks. Yeah, I can't complain. Can't complain. I know in recent weeks we've talked about business development and making sure that that remains a healthy part of our company. Duh. Of course, , . I'm starting off profoundly. But a significant part of that is the proposal.
Karen Swim, APR (00:42):
Yes.
Michelle Kane (00:43):
You know, those things we love, we love to overthink or underthink or get just right. So we're going to talk about how to rock that proposal to make sure you lock in all of your new business.
Karen Swim, APR (00:54):
Yeah. I actually, I don't hate proposals. I really don't. And I, over the years, I've really refined my process. So I think the first way to rock your proposal is to ensure that you have enough information to actually write one. I never write a proposal - there are rare instances, rare - I never write a proposal unless I've had a conversation, because there are times that you talk with someone and through that conversation you then decide you don't want to submit a proposal, you don't want to put anything in writing. So I'm saving this time by having a conversation where I'm pre-qualifying that customer first. If after a conversation, you know, and during that conversation, I'm not looking at it as like, I'm desperate for business . We should never, ever approach it like, I need this business, I want this. We really need to approach it as they're not only vetting us, so be prepared for all the questions, but you're vetting them to make sure that this is going to be a customer or a project, that you have the capability to do that. It's going to be a fit with how you work. Right. It allows you to explore any red fa flags that come up, and it gives you the information that you need to decide if you want to move to the next step.
Michelle Kane (02:24):
Yeah, that's, that's very true.
Karen Swim, APR (02:26):
Step one is have the information that you need before you ever put one single thing on paper.
Michelle Kane (02:32):
Yeah. And an important component of that is, I know this has happened to me, and it's not to say it's not  a judgment of good or bad, but sometimes you'll speak with organizations and the conversation will determine that they don't quite yet know what they want or need. And that can take a couple of roads - then let's talk about a proposal to do an audit and make some plans or, and I had this come up recently with an organization, oh, we need this help blah, blah. I'm like, okay, well what exactly do you expect from us? Well we, we just need help. I'm like, okay, I, yeah. I can't propose based on that . Yeah. It's just a waste of all of our time and resources. But if it's still someone you want to work with, you take the time and make sure you know exactly what your scope is going to be and then go down the road. Because I'm sure we've all come across this clients that are so excited, I want to do the things. Oh, okay. Well, so the things, what are in the things?
Karen Swim, APR (03:45):
Yes.
Michelle Kane (03:46):
Ah, don't, you know, I'm like, ah, no, no, , I don't know what your things are.
Karen Swim, APR (03:53):
I completely agree. And this is a time that you also on ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>In Celebration of Women - Episode 189</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>March is Women’s History Month and this year’s theme is Celebrating Women Who Tell Our Stories. That definitely hits the mark for PR pros. We’ve come a long way and yet there is so much more work to do as we strive for equity in this life.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>March is Women’s History Month and this year’s theme is Celebrating Women Who Tell Our Stories. That definitely hits the mark for PR pros. We’ve come a long way and yet there is so much more work to do as we strive for equity in this life.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Do you know who you are? As a Solo PR Pro, as a business. What are your strengths? How often do you talk about, and promote those strengths to your business community? A key way to protect your business through turbulent times is to ensure you’re taking the time to continue developing your own brand. Don’t be shy about how great you are, solos. Get inspired by today’s episode.]]></itunes:summary>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-people-stop-doing-the-most-episode-187/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Feb 2023 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Go, go, go! How’s that going for you? As PR pros, it’s in our nature to press forward and do all the things. But what is it doing to us? Today’s episode was inspired by an article in Inc.com by Kelly Main: <a href='https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/i-unknowingly-traded-time-management-for-time-minimalism-now-i-get-more-done-by-doing-less.html?utm_source=newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=inc%20-%20top%2010.newsletter%20-%20inc%20-%20top%2010%202-12-23&leadid=4707841&mkt_tok=njewluxfrs04nziaaagj5nb-mjhbhmib1qxemfp-jsgi7tertg86bg2xlafk0unsyfkau0jaquw5athmnd-dczdb3lsvmytezrt_ieo_aos5btbby1jixtbvv8ul'>I Unknowingly Traded Time Management for Time Minimalism. Now I Get More Done by Doing Less</a>. Give it a read, listen to this episode, and let us know what you think.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go, go, go! How’s that going for you? As PR pros, it’s in our nature to press forward and do all the things. But what is it doing to us? Today’s episode was inspired by an article in Inc.com by Kelly Main: <a href='https://www.inc.com/kelly-main/i-unknowingly-traded-time-management-for-time-minimalism-now-i-get-more-done-by-doing-less.html?utm_source=newsletters&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=inc%20-%20top%2010.newsletter%20-%20inc%20-%20top%2010%202-12-23&leadid=4707841&mkt_tok=njewluxfrs04nziaaagj5nb-mjhbhmib1qxemfp-jsgi7tertg86bg2xlafk0unsyfkau0jaquw5athmnd-dczdb3lsvmytezrt_ieo_aos5btbby1jixtbvv8ul'>I Unknowingly Traded Time Management for Time Minimalism. Now I Get More Done by Doing Less</a>. Give it a read, listen to this episode, and let us know what you think.</p>
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        <title>Work Smarter with AI - Episode 186</title>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>ChatGPT, deep fake videos – AI is here. In today’s episode, we talk about how we can embrace this technology to enhance and expand our work as PR pros.</p>
<p><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/'>Here is a link to our previous episode: The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</a></p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChatGPT, deep fake videos – AI is here. In today’s episode, we talk about how we can embrace this technology to enhance and expand our work as PR pros.</p>
<p><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/'>Here is a link to our previous episode: The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</a></p>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/succession-planning-for-your-stuff-episode-183/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2023 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s not a pleasant topic but as business owners we need to make sure we’re planning for the inevitable – death. Do you have plans in place for what happens to your business and your digital assets? In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of getting started, no matter your age.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s not a pleasant topic but as business owners we need to make sure we’re planning for the inevitable – death. Do you have plans in place for what happens to your business and your digital assets? In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of getting started, no matter your age.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s not a pleasant topic but as business owners we need to make sure we’re planning for the inevitable – death. Do you have plans in place for what happens to your business and your digital assets? In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of getting started, no matter your age.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>How Southwest Went South and What PR Pros Can Learn from It -Episode 182</title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-southwest-went-south-and-what-pr-pros-can-learn-from-it-episode-182/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2023 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The recent system failure at Southwest Airlines is a nightmare we don’t wish on anyone. In today’s episode, we talk about how solos can help their clients prepare for these scenarios and what we can do to exceed customer expectations every day.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The recent system failure at Southwest Airlines is a nightmare we don’t wish on anyone. In today’s episode, we talk about how solos can help their clients prepare for these scenarios and what we can do to exceed customer expectations every day.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The recent system failure at Southwest Airlines is a nightmare we don’t wish on anyone. In today’s episode, we talk about how solos can help their clients prepare for these scenarios and what we can do to exceed customer expectations every day.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Are You Ready to be a Solo PR Pro? -Episode 181</title>
        <itunes:title>Are You Ready to be a Solo PR Pro? -Episode 181</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/are-you-ready-to-be-a-solo-pr-pro-episode-181/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Jan 2023 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s a new year and maybe you’re thinking of taking the leap and starting your own business as a solo communications professional or starting your own firm. In today’s episode we talk about what it takes, whether it’s right for you, and how to prepare for this new chapter.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a new year and maybe you’re thinking of taking the leap and starting your own business as a solo communications professional or starting your own firm. In today’s episode we talk about what it takes, whether it’s right for you, and how to prepare for this new chapter.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s a new year and maybe you’re thinking of taking the leap and starting your own business as a solo communications professional or starting your own firm. In today’s episode we talk about what it takes, whether it’s right for you, and how to prepare for this new chapter.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Setting the Stage for Success - Episode 180</title>
        <itunes:title>Setting the Stage for Success - Episode 180</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/setting-the-stage-for-success-episode-180/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Dec 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Lights, camera, 2023! When this episode debuts, we’ll still be in the midst of celebrating the 2022 holiday season. We hope you’re enjoying some well-deserved down time. It’s also a great time of year to reflect and renew our focus to make 2023 the Year of the Solo.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lights, camera, 2023! When this episode debuts, we’ll still be in the midst of celebrating the 2022 holiday season. We hope you’re enjoying some well-deserved down time. It’s also a great time of year to reflect and renew our focus to make 2023 the Year of the Solo.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Lights, camera, 2023! When this episode debuts, we’ll still be in the midst of celebrating the 2022 holiday season. We hope you’re enjoying some well-deserved down time. It’s also a great time of year to reflect and renew our focus to make 2023 the Year of the Solo.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>End Your Year Strong - Episode 179</title>
        <itunes:title>End Your Year Strong - Episode 179</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/end-your-year-strong-episode-179/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As we wind down 2022, we discuss ways that you can end your year strong. That doesn’t mean a sprint for the finish line but instead how you can close 2022 feeling accomplished and ready for 2023.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we wind down 2022, we discuss ways that you can end your year strong. That doesn’t mean a sprint for the finish line but instead how you can close 2022 feeling accomplished and ready for 2023.</p>
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        <title>Busted Bird, Master Manipulators, and the Year that Was 2022 - Episode 178</title>
        <itunes:title>Busted Bird, Master Manipulators, and the Year that Was 2022 - Episode 178</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/busted-bird-master-manipulators-and-the-year-that-was-2022/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/busted-bird-master-manipulators-and-the-year-that-was-2022/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>"What a year!" It’s a phrase that’s been on repeat these last several years. In this episode we talk about the big events of 2022 – Twitter, misinformation, and a challenging media landscape - their implications and opportunities for 2023.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>"What a year!" It’s a phrase that’s been on repeat these last several years. In this episode we talk about the big events of 2022 – Twitter, misinformation, and a challenging media landscape - their implications and opportunities for 2023.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA["What a year!" It’s a phrase that’s been on repeat these last several years. In this episode we talk about the big events of 2022 – Twitter, misinformation, and a challenging media landscape - their implications and opportunities for 2023.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Solo PR Pros: Respected and in Demand - Episode 177</title>
        <itunes:title>Solo PR Pros: Respected and in Demand - Episode 177</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/solo-pr-pros-respected-and-in-demand-episode-177/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/solo-pr-pros-respected-and-in-demand-episode-177/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Dec 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>This is a time of great opportunity for PR pros working as solos. We know this is true from our own experience and it’s recently been confirmed thanks to recent reports from <a href='https://www.axios.com/2022/11/17/freelance-frenzy'>Axios</a> and <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/blog/category/state-of-independence/?mc_cid=5f462195a9&mc_eid=2f25f13fc9'>MBO Partners</a>. Join us for a conversation about how to seize the possibility for your business.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a time of great opportunity for PR pros working as solos. We know this is true from our own experience and it’s recently been confirmed thanks to recent reports from <a href='https://www.axios.com/2022/11/17/freelance-frenzy'>Axios</a> and <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/blog/category/state-of-independence/?mc_cid=5f462195a9&mc_eid=2f25f13fc9'>MBO Partners</a>. Join us for a conversation about how to seize the possibility for your business.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This is a time of great opportunity for PR pros working as solos. We know this is true from our own experience and it’s recently been confirmed thanks to recent reports from Axios and MBO Partners. Join us for a conversation about how to seize the possibility for your business.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Doubts, Delays, and Why You Shouldn’t Go It Alone - Episode 176</title>
        <itunes:title>Doubts, Delays, and Why You Shouldn’t Go It Alone - Episode 176</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/doubts-delays-and-why-you-shouldn-t-go-it-alone-episode-176/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/doubts-delays-and-why-you-shouldn-t-go-it-alone-episode-176/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Nov 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>These past few years, with the pandemic, the shifting economy, it’s been hard. It’s not unusual if you feel like you’re doubting yourself or feel like you’re running on fumes. Know this: you are good at what you do and you are not alone.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These past few years, with the pandemic, the shifting economy, it’s been hard. It’s not unusual if you feel like you’re doubting yourself or feel like you’re running on fumes. Know this: you are good at what you do and you are not alone.</p>
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        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/7ejsqx/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Doubts_Delays_and_Why_You_Shouldnt_Go_It_Alone_-_Ep_17670hk6.mp3" length="20766870" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[These past few years, with the pandemic, the shifting economy, it’s been hard. It’s not unusual if you feel like you’re doubting yourself or feel like you’re running on fumes. Know this: you are good at what you do and you are not alone.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>We Can’t Keep Up! Twitter Update - Episode 175</title>
        <itunes:title>We Can’t Keep Up! Twitter Update - Episode 175</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/we-can-t-keep-up-twitter-update-episode-175/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/we-can-t-keep-up-twitter-update-episode-175/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Nov 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The status of Twitter is changing moment by moment. Who knows what the status of the platform will be by the time you listen to this episode – we can’t keep up! Will Twitter survive? Will Twitter users find a new digital town square? All we can do is stay tuned.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The status of Twitter is changing moment by moment. Who knows what the status of the platform will be by the time you listen to this episode – we can’t keep up! Will Twitter survive? Will Twitter users find a new digital town square? All we can do is stay tuned.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/yrycyy/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_We_Can_t_Keep_Up_Twitter_Update_Ep_1758mjqo.mp3" length="16676934" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The status of Twitter is changing moment by moment. Who knows what the status of the platform will be by the time you listen to this episode – we can’t keep up! Will Twitter survive? Will Twitter users find a new digital town square? All we can do is stay tuned.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Death by a Thousand Tech Applications - Episode 174</title>
        <itunes:title>Death by a Thousand Tech Applications - Episode 174</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/death-by-a-thousand-tech-applications-episode-174/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/death-by-a-thousand-tech-applications-episode-174/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As we serve our clients, what is the true cost of the technology required to do our jobs – mentally and economically? How much tech is too much? What is and isn’t necessary and how can you create boundaries that work for you and your business? We’ll discuss all of this and more in this episode.</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we serve our clients, what is the true cost of the technology required to do our jobs – mentally and economically? How much tech is too much? What is and isn’t necessary and how can you create boundaries that work for you and your business? We’ll discuss all of this and more in this episode.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/yydpyg/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Death_by_a_Thousand_Tech_Applications_-_Ep_1747ulab.mp3" length="26180465" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As we serve our clients, what is the true cost of the technology required to do our jobs – mentally and economically? How much tech is too much? What is and isn’t necessary and how can you create boundaries that work for you and your business? We’ll discuss all of this and more in this episode.
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        <title>The Bird is Free: What this Means for PR Pros - Episode 173</title>
        <itunes:title>The Bird is Free: What this Means for PR Pros - Episode 173</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-bird-is-free-what-this-means-for-pr-pros-episode-173/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-bird-is-free-what-this-means-for-pr-pros-episode-173/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2022 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It finally happened. Elon Musk now owns Twitter and change is already underway. What does this mean for PR pros?</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It finally happened. Elon Musk now owns Twitter and change is already underway. What does this mean for PR pros?</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It finally happened. Elon Musk now owns Twitter and change is already underway. What does this mean for PR pros?
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1795</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>175</itunes:episode>
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    <item>
        <title>Tricks, Treats and PR - Episode 172</title>
        <itunes:title>Tricks, Treats and PR - Episode 172</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/tricks-treats-and-pr-episode-172/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/tricks-treats-and-pr-episode-172/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 31 Oct 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Happy Halloween! In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the tricks and treats of what’s been happening in the communications field and the PR biz. Enter if you dare!</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Halloween! In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the tricks and treats of what’s been happening in the communications field and the PR biz. Enter if you dare!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Happy Halloween! In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the tricks and treats of what’s been happening in the communications field and the PR biz. Enter if you dare!]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1359</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>174</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_1728g46i.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Soloing Together - Episode 171</title>
        <itunes:title>Soloing Together - Episode 171</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/soloing-together-episode-171/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/soloing-together-episode-171/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Just because you run your business as a solo doesn’t mean you always have to work alone. From teaming up with fellow solos to running your business as a micro agency, there’s a lot of opportunity in soloing together.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because you run your business as a solo doesn’t mean you always have to work alone. From teaming up with fellow solos to running your business as a micro agency, there’s a lot of opportunity in soloing together.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/ipsirs/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Soloing_Together_Ep_1717kus4.mp3" length="29374233" type="audio/mpeg"/>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1826</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>173</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_171_soloing_together8jcy5.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>How PR Pros Can Combat Mis-, Mal- and Disinformation - Episode 170</title>
        <itunes:title>How PR Pros Can Combat Mis-, Mal- and Disinformation - Episode 170</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-combat-mis-mal-and-disinformation-episode-170/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-pr-pros-can-combat-mis-mal-and-disinformation-episode-170/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Oct 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Mis-, mal- and disinformation is one of the greatest threats that PR pros are facing. In today’s episode Karen and Michelle discuss how to help steer the narrative, how to be ready to help clients navigate these times, and how we as PR pros can be a positive influence.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mis-, mal- and disinformation is one of the greatest threats that PR pros are facing. In today’s episode Karen and Michelle discuss how to help steer the narrative, how to be ready to help clients navigate these times, and how we as PR pros can be a positive influence.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/sbp826/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_How_PR_Pros_Can_Combat_Mis-_Mal-_and_Disinformation_Ep_170asvc2.mp3" length="22022940" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mis-, mal- and disinformation is one of the greatest threats that PR pros are facing. In today’s episode Karen and Michelle discuss how to help steer the narrative, how to be ready to help clients navigate these times, and how we as PR pros can be a positive influence.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1367</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>172</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_170ak64r.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>PR Pros Say ”No Thanks” to These 7 Things - Episode 169</title>
        <itunes:title>PR Pros Say ”No Thanks” to These 7 Things - Episode 169</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-pros-say-no-thanks-to-these-7-things-episode-169/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-pros-say-no-thanks-to-these-7-things-episode-169/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Professional pet peeves. We all have them. Listen to today’s episode to see if Karen and Michelle mention one of yours.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professional pet peeves. We all have them. Listen to today’s episode to see if Karen and Michelle mention one of yours.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/mvnhv2/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_PR_Pros_Say_No_Thanks_to_These_7_Things_Ep_1697e1tf.mp3" length="30357936" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Professional pet peeves. We all have them. Listen to today’s episode to see if Karen and Michelle mention one of yours.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1888</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>171</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_1698xhxz.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Pumpkins, Plans and Putting the Year to Bed - Episode 168</title>
        <itunes:title>Pumpkins, Plans and Putting the Year to Bed - Episode 168</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pumpkins-plans-and-putting-the-year-to-bed-episode-168/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pumpkins-plans-and-putting-the-year-to-bed-episode-168/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s the fourth quarter – time for pumpkins, making plans for 2023, and thinking about putting the year to bed. Join Karen and Michelle for a conversation about motivating ourselves to end the year strong.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the fourth quarter – time for pumpkins, making plans for 2023, and thinking about putting the year to bed. Join Karen and Michelle for a conversation about motivating ourselves to end the year strong.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/tatca6/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Pumpkins_Plans_and_Putting_the_Year_to_Bed_Ep_16898jyg.mp3" length="22413770" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s the fourth quarter – time for pumpkins, making plans for 2023, and thinking about putting the year to bed. Join Karen and Michelle for a conversation about motivating ourselves to end the year strong.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1391</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>170</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_1687ed61.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Working with Multiple Generations - Episode 167</title>
        <itunes:title>Working with Multiple Generations - Episode 167</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/working-with-multiple-generations-episode-167/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/working-with-multiple-generations-episode-167/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/e300a100-ae70-3edc-a0d0-2ee48fff87b4</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>From colleagues to vendors to client contacts, today’s work environment has representatives from nearly all generations. Boomers, Generation Jones, Generation X, Millennials, Gen Zs - we all bring our talents and different experiences, work styles, and expectations. In this episode we talk about honoring our differences, learning from each other, and working together toward success.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From colleagues to vendors to client contacts, today’s work environment has representatives from nearly all generations. Boomers, Generation Jones, Generation X, Millennials, Gen Zs - we all bring our talents and different experiences, work styles, and expectations. In this episode we talk about honoring our differences, learning from each other, and working together toward success.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/vrsw2c/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Working_with_Multiple_Generations_Ep_167a81qc.mp3" length="24053594" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[From colleagues to vendors to client contacts, today’s work environment has representatives from nearly all generations. Boomers, Generation Jones, Generation X, Millennials, Gen Zs - we all bring our talents and different experiences, work styles, and expectations. In this episode we talk about honoring our differences, learning from each other, and working together toward success.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1494</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>169</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/soloprpro_podcast_ep_1679j4fq.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Quiet Quitting -Episode 166</title>
        <itunes:title>Quiet Quitting -Episode 166</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/quiet-quitting-episode-166/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/quiet-quitting-episode-166/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Quiet quitting. It’s the phrase of the moment. In today’s episode we talk about what it means for solos as business owners and what it means for our clients.</p>
<p>Are you experiencing quiet quitting? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quiet quitting. It’s the phrase of the moment. In today’s episode we talk about what it means for solos as business owners and what it means for our clients.</p>
<p>Are you experiencing quiet quitting? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/75qkv3/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Quiet_Quitting_Ep_1669ixoz.mp3" length="26931096" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Quiet quitting. It’s the phrase of the moment. In today’s episode we talk about what it means for solos as business owners and what it means for our clients.
Are you experiencing quiet quitting? Tell us about it at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1674</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>168</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/soloprpro_podcast_ep_166az1wi.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Joy and Pain of Clients New to PR - Episode 165</title>
        <itunes:title>The Joy and Pain of Clients New to PR - Episode 165</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-joy-and-pain-of-clients-new-to-pr-episode-165/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-joy-and-pain-of-clients-new-to-pr-episode-165/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, we discuss working with clients who are new to PR. Should you take them on? What are the red flags to be aware of?  What steps can you take to make sure it is successful?</p>
<p>Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>Also - check out the new release from Karen Swim: <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Your-Journey-Entrepreneurship-Day-Journal/dp/B0BCCYH933/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12NXWR7VGMM5M&keywords=your+journey+to+entrepreneurship&qid=1662673468&sprefix=your+journey+to+entre%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-1'>Your Journey to Entrepreneurship.</a> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, we discuss working with clients who are new to PR. Should you take them on? What are the red flags to be aware of?  What steps can you take to make sure it is successful?</p>
<p>Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>Also - check out the new release from Karen Swim: <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Your-Journey-Entrepreneurship-Day-Journal/dp/B0BCCYH933/ref=sr_1_1?crid=12NXWR7VGMM5M&keywords=your+journey+to+entrepreneurship&qid=1662673468&sprefix=your+journey+to+entre%2Caps%2C73&sr=8-1'>Your Journey to Entrepreneurship.</a> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/8diw5v/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Joy_and_Pain_of_Clients_New_to_PR_Ep_1657v4b7.mp3" length="26517252" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's episode, we discuss working with clients who are new to PR. Should you take them on? What are the red flags to be aware of?  What steps can you take to make sure it is successful?
Share your experience with us at www.soloprpro.com.
Also - check out the new release from Karen Swim: Your Journey to Entrepreneurship. 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1648</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>167</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_1656e1u6.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Tell Me About It: Proactive Communication Matters - Episode 164</title>
        <itunes:title>Tell Me About It: Proactive Communication Matters - Episode 164</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/tell-me-about-it-proactive-communication-matters-episode-164/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/tell-me-about-it-proactive-communication-matters-episode-164/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/bf9027a1-bf88-342c-8108-26579eed63f9</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>A little clarity goes a long way. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how taking the time to communicate proactively can help prevent issues or confusion in the future</p>
<p>We always want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A little clarity goes a long way. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how taking the time to communicate proactively can help prevent issues or confusion in the future</p>
<p>We always want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/2mhgef/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLIfe_Tell_Me_About_It_Proactive_Communication_Matters_Ep164bgl85.mp3" length="20805467" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[A little clarity goes a long way. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about how taking the time to communicate proactively can help prevent issues or confusion in the future
We always want to know what you think. Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1291</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>166</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_164beci6.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Google Updates with Jordyn Slocum of BeMarketing - Episode 163</title>
        <itunes:title>Google Updates with Jordyn Slocum of BeMarketing - Episode 163</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/google-updates-with-jordyn-slocum-of-bemarketing-episode-163/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/google-updates-with-jordyn-slocum-of-bemarketing-episode-163/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>If it feels like Google is always making changes, well, you’re right. That’s why we’ve asked Jordyn Slocum of <a href='https://bemarketing.com/'>BeMarketing</a> to join us in today’s episode to talk about the latest updates.</p>
<p>Keep up with Jordyn on social media:</p>
<p>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/jordypop_10/'>jordypop_10</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.facebook.com/jordyn.slocum.9'>Facebook</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordyn-slocum-88795ba4/'>LinkedIn</a></p>
<p>What’s your latest Google discovery? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it feels like Google is always making changes, well, you’re right. That’s why we’ve asked Jordyn Slocum of <a href='https://bemarketing.com/'>BeMarketing</a> to join us in today’s episode to talk about the latest updates.</p>
<p>Keep up with Jordyn on social media:</p>
<p>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/jordypop_10/'>jordypop_10</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.facebook.com/jordyn.slocum.9'>Facebook</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordyn-slocum-88795ba4/'>LinkedIn</a></p>
<p>What’s your latest Google discovery? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/atr7w7/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_GoogleUpdateswithJordynSlocumofBeMarketing_Ep_163bnlw5.mp3" length="22255894" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[If it feels like Google is always making changes, well, you’re right. That’s why we’ve asked Jordyn Slocum of BeMarketing to join us in today’s episode to talk about the latest updates.
Keep up with Jordyn on social media:
Instagram: jordypop_10
Facebook
LinkedIn
What’s your latest Google discovery? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1382</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>165</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_163_Jordyn_Slocum7s58x.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>PR &amp; Popcorn with Chauniqua Major-Louis - Episode 162</title>
        <itunes:title>PR &amp; Popcorn with Chauniqua Major-Louis - Episode 162</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-popcorn-with-chauniqua-major-louis-episode-162/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-popcorn-with-chauniqua-major-louis-episode-162/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we are joined by Chauniqua Major-Louis, but everyone calls her Major. Major is the founder of <a href='https://whateversgood.com/'>Whatever's Good PR</a> and <a href='https://eatprojectpop.com/'>Major’s Project Pop Popcorn</a>. In this episode, we discuss her approach to her purpose and passion in her work and life.</p>
<p>Keep up with Major via the links above or at <a href='https://www.majorcreates.com/'>MajorCreates.com</a>.</p>
<p>Find her on social media:</p>
<p>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/majorcreates/'>@majorcreates</a></p>
<p>Facebook: <a href='https://www.facebook.com/majorc'>https://www.facebook.com/majorc</a></p>
<p>LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnmajor/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnmajor/</a></p>
<p>What did this episode inspire you to do? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we are joined by Chauniqua Major-Louis, but everyone calls her Major. Major is the founder of <a href='https://whateversgood.com/'>Whatever's Good PR</a> and <a href='https://eatprojectpop.com/'>Major’s Project Pop Popcorn</a>. In this episode, we discuss her approach to her purpose and passion in her work and life.</p>
<p>Keep up with Major via the links above or at <a href='https://www.majorcreates.com/'>MajorCreates.com</a>.</p>
<p>Find her on social media:</p>
<p>Instagram: <a href='https://www.instagram.com/majorcreates/'>@majorcreates</a></p>
<p>Facebook: <a href='https://www.facebook.com/majorc'>https://www.facebook.com/majorc</a></p>
<p>LinkedIn: <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnmajor/'>https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnmajor/</a></p>
<p>What did this episode inspire you to do? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today we are joined by Chauniqua Major-Louis, but everyone calls her Major. Major is the founder of Whatever's Good PR and Major’s Project Pop Popcorn. In this episode, we discuss her approach to her purpose and passion in her work and life.
Keep up with Major via the links above or at MajorCreates.com.
Find her on social media:
Instagram: @majorcreates
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/majorc
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/cnmajor/
What did this episode inspire you to do? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2288</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>164</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_162_Chauniqua_Major_Louisapqdw.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Marketplace of You with Blake Hutchison, CEO of Flippa - Episode 161</title>
        <itunes:title>The Marketplace of You with Blake Hutchison, CEO of Flippa - Episode 161</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-marketplace-of-you-with-blake-hutchison-ceo-of-flippa-episode-161/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-marketplace-of-you-with-blake-hutchison-ceo-of-flippa-episode-161/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we’re joined by Blake Hutchison, CEO of Flippa to discuss how Solo PR Pros can create assets that they can sell. As Blake shares with us, “running a business changes you...selling a business makes you.” Tune in to learn how you can sell, scale, or possibly retire!</p>
<p>Keep up with Blake on Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/Flippa'>@Flippa</a> and on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehutchison/?originalSubdomain=au'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>After you’ve listened, share your business dream with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we’re joined by Blake Hutchison, CEO of Flippa to discuss how Solo PR Pros can create assets that they can sell. As Blake shares with us, “running a business changes you...selling a business makes you.” Tune in to learn how you can sell, scale, or possibly retire!</p>
<p>Keep up with Blake on Twitter <a href='https://twitter.com/Flippa'>@Flippa</a> and on <a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/blakehutchison/?originalSubdomain=au'>LinkedIn</a>.</p>
<p>After you’ve listened, share your business dream with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/v4sspy/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Marketplace_of_You_with_Blake_Hutchison_of_Flippa_Ep_1617bgdy.mp3" length="24114921" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode, we’re joined by Blake Hutchison, CEO of Flippa to discuss how Solo PR Pros can create assets that they can sell. As Blake shares with us, “running a business changes you...selling a business makes you.” Tune in to learn how you can sell, scale, or possibly retire!
Keep up with Blake on Twitter @Flippa and on LinkedIn.
After you’ve listened, share your business dream with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1507</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>163</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Blake_Flippa_soloprpro_podcast_16198q1s.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</title>
        <itunes:title>The Battle Against Misinformation with Axel Ebermann - Episode 160</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-battle-against-misinformation-with-axel-ebermann-episode-160/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>How do we know what we see and hear are real? Mis-, mal- and disinformation are the biggest challenges communicators and society as a whole are facing today. On today's show, Axel Ebermann, a guest lecturer with a long career in visual storytelling, leads us through his research on Deep Fakes and Synthetic Media, a growing subcategory of misinformation.</p>
<p>Listen to learn more about his research and how to prepare for this new challenge.</p>
<p>We’d love your feedback. What topics would you like us to cover? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Resources</p>
<p><a href='https://youtu.be/p8eekCgIw3A)'>View on YouTube to see the visual examples presented in the interview.</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/axelebermann/'>Keep up with Axel Ebermann on LinkedIn.</a></p>
<p>Text-to-Speech example, DALL.E: <a href='https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/'>https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/</a></p>
<p>This Person Does Not Exist: <a href='https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en'>https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en</a></p>
<p>NewsGuard: <a href='https://www.newsguardtech.com/'>https://www.newsguardtech.com/</a></p>
<p>Synthesia: <a href='https://www.synthesia.io/'>https://www.synthesia.io/</a></p>
<p>How misinformation sparked a coup in Gabon: <a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/13/how-sick-president-suspect-video-helped-sparked-an-attempted-coup-gabon/'>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/13/how-sick-president-suspect-video-helped-sparked-an-attempted-coup-gabon/</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do we know what we see and hear are real? Mis-, mal- and disinformation are the biggest challenges communicators and society as a whole are facing today. On today's show, Axel Ebermann, a guest lecturer with a long career in visual storytelling, leads us through his research on Deep Fakes and Synthetic Media, a growing subcategory of misinformation.</p>
<p>Listen to learn more about his research and how to prepare for this new challenge.</p>
<p>We’d love your feedback. What topics would you like us to cover? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode Resources</p>
<p><a href='https://youtu.be/p8eekCgIw3A)'>View on YouTube to see the visual examples presented in the interview.</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.linkedin.com/in/axelebermann/'>Keep up with Axel Ebermann on LinkedIn.</a></p>
<p>Text-to-Speech example, DALL.E: <a href='https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/'>https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/</a></p>
<p>This Person Does Not Exist: <a href='https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en'>https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en</a></p>
<p>NewsGuard: <a href='https://www.newsguardtech.com/'>https://www.newsguardtech.com/</a></p>
<p>Synthesia: <a href='https://www.synthesia.io/'>https://www.synthesia.io/</a></p>
<p>How misinformation sparked a coup in Gabon: <a href='https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/13/how-sick-president-suspect-video-helped-sparked-an-attempted-coup-gabon/'>https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/13/how-sick-president-suspect-video-helped-sparked-an-attempted-coup-gabon/</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/vffjdi/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Battle_Against_Misinformation_Ep_160avvw5.mp3" length="33401075" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[How do we know what we see and hear are real? Mis-, mal- and disinformation are the biggest challenges communicators and society as a whole are facing today. On today's show, Axel Ebermann, a guest lecturer with a long career in visual storytelling, leads us through his research on Deep Fakes and Synthetic Media, a growing subcategory of misinformation.
Listen to learn more about his research and how to prepare for this new challenge.
We’d love your feedback. What topics would you like us to cover? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
Episode Resources
View on YouTube to see the visual examples presented in the interview.
Keep up with Axel Ebermann on LinkedIn.
Text-to-Speech example, DALL.E: https://openai.com/blog/dall-e/
This Person Does Not Exist: https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en
NewsGuard: https://www.newsguardtech.com/
Synthesia: https://www.synthesia.io/
How misinformation sparked a coup in Gabon: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/02/13/how-sick-president-suspect-video-helped-sparked-an-attempted-coup-gabon/]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2079</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>162</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_160_Ebermann9oj7y.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Talking Financial Strategies with Andrew Shapowal of Canon Capital Management Group</title>
        <itunes:title>Talking Financial Strategies with Andrew Shapowal of Canon Capital Management Group</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/talking-financial-strategies-with-andrew-shapowal-of-canon-capital-management-group/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/talking-financial-strategies-with-andrew-shapowal-of-canon-capital-management-group/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>With all of the current economic uncertainties, Solos have every right to be on edge. Today we check in with <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/staff/shapowal-andrew/'>Andrew Shapowal</a> on hot button financial topics such as retirement, kids going to college and how to keep your head above water when prices keep rising.</p>
<p>Andrew Shapowal is a Senior Accountant and Digital Asset Specialist with Canon Capital Management Group. He is a Certified Public Accountant who has recently become an Accredited Investment Fiduciary (AIF®) and is currently pursuing the Personal Financial Specialist (PFS) credential. He also holds the Certificate in Blockchain and Digital Assets.</p>
<p>What is your experience in these strange economic times? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all of the current economic uncertainties, Solos have every right to be on edge. Today we check in with <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/staff/shapowal-andrew/'>Andrew Shapowal</a> on hot button financial topics such as retirement, kids going to college and how to keep your head above water when prices keep rising.</p>
<p>Andrew Shapowal is a Senior Accountant and Digital Asset Specialist with Canon Capital Management Group. He is a Certified Public Accountant who has recently become an Accredited Investment Fiduciary (AIF®) and is currently pursuing the Personal Financial Specialist (PFS) credential. He also holds the Certificate in Blockchain and Digital Assets.</p>
<p>What is your experience in these strange economic times? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/p65rzp/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Talking_Financial_Strategies_with_Andrew_Shapowal_of_Canon_Capital_Ep_1597c9hz.mp3" length="35745888" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[With all of the current economic uncertainties, Solos have every right to be on edge. Today we check in with Andrew Shapowal on hot button financial topics such as retirement, kids going to college and how to keep your head above water when prices keep rising.
Andrew Shapowal is a Senior Accountant and Digital Asset Specialist with Canon Capital Management Group. He is a Certified Public Accountant who has recently become an Accredited Investment Fiduciary (AIF®) and is currently pursuing the Personal Financial Specialist (PFS) credential. He also holds the Certificate in Blockchain and Digital Assets.
What is your experience in these strange economic times? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2226</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>161</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_1598mrgr.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Solo PR Pro’s Guide to Social Media Changes - Episode 158</title>
        <itunes:title>The Solo PR Pro’s Guide to Social Media Changes - Episode 158</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-solo-pr-pro-s-guide-to-social-media-changes-episode-158/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-solo-pr-pro-s-guide-to-social-media-changes-episode-158/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jul 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today Karen and Michelle discuss a few of the changes in the wide, wacky world of social media. Changes in platforms, algorithms, what’s working, and what isn’t working right here right now as we manage social media for our clients and our own businesses.</p>
<p>What’s new in social media that has you excited or exasperated? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today Karen and Michelle discuss a few of the changes in the wide, wacky world of social media. Changes in platforms, algorithms, what’s working, and what isn’t working right here right now as we manage social media for our clients and our own businesses.</p>
<p>What’s new in social media that has you excited or exasperated? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/uhj94z/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Solo_PR_Pro_s_Guide_to_Social_Media_Changes_Ep_1589curo.mp3" length="25500716" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today Karen and Michelle discuss a few of the changes in the wide, wacky world of social media. Changes in platforms, algorithms, what’s working, and what isn’t working right here right now as we manage social media for our clients and our own businesses.
What’s new in social media that has you excited or exasperated? Tell us about it at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1585</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>160</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Alt_Ep_158_That_Solo_Life_SoloPR_Pro8fxn1.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>What’s New in Social Media with Rebecca Goodman of beMarketing - Episode 157</title>
        <itunes:title>What’s New in Social Media with Rebecca Goodman of beMarketing - Episode 157</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/what-s-new-in-social-media-with-rebecca-goodman-of-bemarketing-episode-157/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/what-s-new-in-social-media-with-rebecca-goodman-of-bemarketing-episode-157/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/ce062414-6c34-3a7e-9f69-51b571b3fde4</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Karen and Michelle discuss what’s new in social media with Rebecca Goodman, Director of Communications with <a href='https://bemarketing.com/'>beMarketing</a>.</p>
<p>What social media tactics are currently most successful for your clients? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen and Michelle discuss what’s new in social media with Rebecca Goodman, Director of Communications with <a href='https://bemarketing.com/'>beMarketing</a>.</p>
<p>What social media tactics are currently most successful for your clients? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/9ku4jz/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Whats_New_in_Social_Media_with_Rebecca_Goodman_Ep_157a59ve.mp3" length="20437524" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Karen and Michelle discuss what’s new in social media with Rebecca Goodman, Director of Communications with beMarketing.
What social media tactics are currently most successful for your clients? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1269</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>159</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_157_newlogo_1500px6ftbj.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Freedom of Flying Solo - Episode 156</title>
        <itunes:title>The Freedom of Flying Solo - Episode 156</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-freedom-of-flying-solo-episode-156/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-freedom-of-flying-solo-episode-156/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 06:35:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/009c32a1-dca7-323f-9db7-82b5caad0931</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>This time of year in the US we celebrate the birth of American independence. However, those who are self-employed have reason to celebrate daily. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the freedom of flying solo.</p>
<p>Having trouble using this freedom to schedule some time off? Check out this blog post at SoloPRPro.com: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-take-time-off-when-you-run-your-own-business/?fbclid=IwAR0dTseRxfEFFeat-K5q46VZ9m1PuGOiOKwL1c5P1FXb0IvnGk4qlV1yWhQ'>How to Take Time Off When You Run Your Own Business</a>.</p>
<p>How do you enjoy the freedom of self-employment? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This time of year in the US we celebrate the birth of American independence. However, those who are self-employed have reason to celebrate daily. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the freedom of flying solo.</p>
<p>Having trouble using this freedom to schedule some time off? Check out this blog post at SoloPRPro.com: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/how-to-take-time-off-when-you-run-your-own-business/?fbclid=IwAR0dTseRxfEFFeat-K5q46VZ9m1PuGOiOKwL1c5P1FXb0IvnGk4qlV1yWhQ'>How to Take Time Off When You Run Your Own Business</a>.</p>
<p>How do you enjoy the freedom of self-employment? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/rjy6b8/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Freedom_of_Flying_Solo_Episode_156aq4m7.mp3" length="18813748" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This time of year in the US we celebrate the birth of American independence. However, those who are self-employed have reason to celebrate daily. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss the freedom of flying solo.
Having trouble using this freedom to schedule some time off? Check out this blog post at SoloPRPro.com: How to Take Time Off When You Run Your Own Business.
How do you enjoy the freedom of self-employment? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/pr-on-the-big-and-little-screen-episode-155/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jun 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode Karen and Michelle take a look at how PR pros are portrayed on TV and in the movies - the good, the cringeworthy, and the downright funny.</p>
<p>What are your favorites? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode Karen and Michelle take a look at how PR pros are portrayed on TV and in the movies - the good, the cringeworthy, and the downright funny.</p>
<p>What are your favorites? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com/'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode Karen and Michelle take a look at how PR pros are portrayed on TV and in the movies - the good, the cringeworthy, and the downright funny.
What are your favorites? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
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        <title>Authenticity, Transparency, and Ethics - Episode 154</title>
        <itunes:title>Authenticity, Transparency, and Ethics - Episode 154</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/authenticity-transparency-and-ethics-episode-154/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/authenticity-transparency-and-ethics-episode-154/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Authenticity and transparency. These traits and practices are at the heart of effective communication and, well, just being a person of integrity. They are also qualities that lead to ethical decision-making. Today Karen and Michelle talk about recent events within the PR industry and beyond - where ethics, authenticity, and transparency were anywhere but top of mind. </p>
<p>We want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a href='https://www.thedailybeast.com/5w-public-relations-ceo-ronn-torossian-steps-down-after-daily-beast-expose'>Daily Beast article referenced in the show.</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Authenticity and transparency. These traits and practices are at the heart of effective communication and, well, just being a person of integrity. They are also qualities that lead to ethical decision-making. Today Karen and Michelle talk about recent events within the PR industry and beyond - where ethics, authenticity, and transparency were anywhere but top of mind. </p>
<p>We want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p><a href='https://www.thedailybeast.com/5w-public-relations-ceo-ronn-torossian-steps-down-after-daily-beast-expose'>Daily Beast article referenced in the show.</a></p>
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We want to know what you think. Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
Daily Beast article referenced in the show.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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        <title>The Business of You with Connie Steele - Episode 153</title>
        <itunes:title>The Business of You with Connie Steele - Episode 153</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-business-of-you-with-connie-steele-episode-153/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-business-of-you-with-connie-steele-episode-153/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2022 06:32:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>On this episode, <a href='https://www.conniewsteele.com/'>Connie Steele</a>, author of <a href='https://www.conniewsteele.com/book'>"Building the Business of You"</a> joins Karen and Michelle to discuss the groundbreaking ideas in her book. Connie will share a modern perspective on how we think about and manage our careers and how to align passion and growth with your own career mashup.</p>
<p>We want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On this episode, <a href='https://www.conniewsteele.com/'>Connie Steele</a>, author of <a href='https://www.conniewsteele.com/book'>"Building the Business of You"</a> joins Karen and Michelle to discuss the groundbreaking ideas in her book. Connie will share a modern perspective on how we think about and manage our careers and how to align passion and growth with your own career mashup.</p>
<p>We want to know what you think. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[On this episode, Connie Steele, author of "Building the Business of You" joins Karen and Michelle to discuss the groundbreaking ideas in her book. Connie will share a modern perspective on how we think about and manage our careers and how to align passion and growth with your own career mashup.
We want to know what you think. Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>155</itunes:episode>
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    <item>
        <title>How to Communicate in a Crisis - Episode 152</title>
        <itunes:title>How to Communicate in a Crisis - Episode 152</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-communicate-in-a-crisis-episode-152/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-communicate-in-a-crisis-episode-152/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s one thing to have a carefully crafted crisis communications plan. It’s another hurdle to get it right in the moment, especially when you factor in the immediacy of social media. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss creating a solid crisis communications plan and how to be as prepared as possible should you ever need to put it into practice.</p>
<p>What tips do you have for communicating in a crisis? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode resources:</p>
<p>Fran Stephenson: <a href='https://stepincomm.com/?fbclid=IwAR0ffMT312xuUBUfMB6pKuqkXxFrUqcpYSbedFRV7cnevatRByz9tREoTqA'>Step In Communication</a></p>
<p>Doug Levy: <a href='https://www.douglevy.com/?fbclid=IwAR0UQ8O3GjFfZ2RiPVJBlWy_fGGW3vFScZEDc36gfNjeeGfx5gv6aNj6mCk'>Doug Levy Communications</a></p>
<p>Author, <a href='https://www.douglevy.com/the-communications-golden-hour'>The Communications Golden Hour: The Essential Guide to Communication When Every Minute Counts</a></p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s one thing to have a carefully crafted crisis communications plan. It’s another hurdle to get it right in the moment, especially when you factor in the immediacy of social media. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss creating a solid crisis communications plan and how to be as prepared as possible should you ever need to put it into practice.</p>
<p>What tips do you have for communicating in a crisis? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Episode resources:</p>
<p>Fran Stephenson: <a href='https://stepincomm.com/?fbclid=IwAR0ffMT312xuUBUfMB6pKuqkXxFrUqcpYSbedFRV7cnevatRByz9tREoTqA'>Step In Communication</a></p>
<p>Doug Levy: <a href='https://www.douglevy.com/?fbclid=IwAR0UQ8O3GjFfZ2RiPVJBlWy_fGGW3vFScZEDc36gfNjeeGfx5gv6aNj6mCk'>Doug Levy Communications</a></p>
<p>Author, <a href='https://www.douglevy.com/the-communications-golden-hour'>The Communications Golden Hour: The Essential Guide to Communication When Every Minute Counts</a></p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s one thing to have a carefully crafted crisis communications plan. It’s another hurdle to get it right in the moment, especially when you factor in the immediacy of social media. In this episode, Karen and Michelle discuss creating a solid crisis communications plan and how to be as prepared as possible should you ever need to put it into practice.
What tips do you have for communicating in a crisis? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
Episode resources:
Fran Stephenson: Step In Communication
Doug Levy: Doug Levy Communications
Author, The Communications Golden Hour: The Essential Guide to Communication When Every Minute Counts]]></itunes:summary>
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    <item>
        <title>How to Have a Hot PR Pro Summer This Year - Episode 151</title>
        <itunes:title>How to Have a Hot PR Pro Summer This Year - Episode 151</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-have-a-hot-pr-pro-summer-this-year-episode-151/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-to-have-a-hot-pr-pro-summer-this-year-episode-151/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 30 May 2022 06:35:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It's almost here! The hazy, un-lazy days of summer for PR Pros. While client work often slows the pace for many PR pros, we spend the time working on the business, preparing for the remainder of the year, learning new things, and squeezing in a little fun in the sun.</p>
<p>How do you switch gears in your business over the summer? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's almost here! The hazy, un-lazy days of summer for PR Pros. While client work often slows the pace for many PR pros, we spend the time working on the business, preparing for the remainder of the year, learning new things, and squeezing in a little fun in the sun.</p>
<p>How do you switch gears in your business over the summer? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/5pism7/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_How_to_Have_a_Hot_PR_Pro_Summer_This_Year_Ep_151a8bfw.mp3" length="18430360" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It's almost here! The hazy, un-lazy days of summer for PR Pros. While client work often slows the pace for many PR pros, we spend the time working on the business, preparing for the remainder of the year, learning new things, and squeezing in a little fun in the sun.
How do you switch gears in your business over the summer? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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    <item>
        <title>The Untold Story of Navigating Clients Through Thorny Topics - Episode 150</title>
        <itunes:title>The Untold Story of Navigating Clients Through Thorny Topics - Episode 150</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-untold-story-of-navigating-clients-through-thorny-topics-episode-150/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-untold-story-of-navigating-clients-through-thorny-topics-episode-150/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Change is a constant but it feels like it’s happening faster than ever these days. In many cases it’s accompanied by emotion and intensity. What changes do our clients need to make in the way they communicate? In the stands they take? In today’s episode Karen and Michelle talk about how to help clients navigate thorny topics and times of rapid change.</p>
<p>What has been your experience? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Change is a constant but it feels like it’s happening faster than ever these days. In many cases it’s accompanied by emotion and intensity. What changes do our clients need to make in the way they communicate? In the stands they take? In today’s episode Karen and Michelle talk about how to help clients navigate thorny topics and times of rapid change.</p>
<p>What has been your experience? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/fjj2gw/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Untold_Story_of_Navigating_Clients_Through_Thorny_Topics_Ep_1507l9pl.mp3" length="27217485" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Change is a constant but it feels like it’s happening faster than ever these days. In many cases it’s accompanied by emotion and intensity. What changes do our clients need to make in the way they communicate? In the stands they take? In today’s episode Karen and Michelle talk about how to help clients navigate thorny topics and times of rapid change.
What has been your experience? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>152</itunes:episode>
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    <item>
        <title>Secrets, Lies, and Client Confidentiality - Episode 149</title>
        <itunes:title>Secrets, Lies, and Client Confidentiality - Episode 149</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/secrets-lies-and-client-confidentiality-episode-149/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/secrets-lies-and-client-confidentiality-episode-149/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 May 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>While not as dramatic as the fictionalized TV show, Scandal, public relations pros know where the proverbial bodies are buried. We ask clients to tell all so that we can do our jobs but we protect our client's confidences long after engagements have ended. But, is there ever a time to tell it all? On today's episode we take a page out of reality and take a look at the secrets you keep and the ones you don't.</p>
<p>What is your experience? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While not as dramatic as the fictionalized TV show, Scandal, public relations pros know where the proverbial bodies are buried. We ask clients to tell all so that we can do our jobs but we protect our client's confidences long after engagements have ended. But, is there ever a time to tell it all? On today's episode we take a page out of reality and take a look at the secrets you keep and the ones you don't.</p>
<p>What is your experience? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/wftnfb/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Secrets_Lies_and_Client_Confidentiality_Ep_149bbtr1.mp3" length="19167401" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[While not as dramatic as the fictionalized TV show, Scandal, public relations pros know where the proverbial bodies are buried. We ask clients to tell all so that we can do our jobs but we protect our client's confidences long after engagements have ended. But, is there ever a time to tell it all? On today's episode we take a page out of reality and take a look at the secrets you keep and the ones you don't.
What is your experience? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1191</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>151</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_149_1500px7muw9.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Measure Twice, Cut Once - Episode 148</title>
        <itunes:title>Measure Twice, Cut Once - Episode 148</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/measure-twice-cut-once-episode-148/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/measure-twice-cut-once-episode-148/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Get your rulers and tape measures! In today's episode, we tackle why public relations pros need to get smarter about measurement along with practical tips and tricks to do just that.</p>
<p>How do you measure your PR efforts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get your rulers and tape measures! In today's episode, we tackle why public relations pros need to get smarter about measurement along with practical tips and tricks to do just that.</p>
<p>How do you measure your PR efforts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/y79bhd/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Measure_Twice__Cut_Once_Ep_1486p425.mp3" length="25940416" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Get your rulers and tape measures! In today's episode, we tackle why public relations pros need to get smarter about measurement along with practical tips and tricks to do just that.
How do you measure your PR efforts? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>150</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_148_1500px89dn1.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Managing Difficult Client Conversations - Episode 147</title>
        <itunes:title>Managing Difficult Client Conversations - Episode 147</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-difficult-client-conversations-episode-147/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-difficult-client-conversations-episode-147/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The dreaded awkward conversation. We’re not talking about making small talk at a networking event. In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle discuss how to handle difficult client conversations. Whether you’re dealing with a difficult personality, a delicate topic - or both - we have tips on how to handle these situations with ease.</p>
<p>How do you handle challenging business conversations? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The dreaded awkward conversation. We’re not talking about making small talk at a networking event. In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle discuss how to handle difficult client conversations. Whether you’re dealing with a difficult personality, a delicate topic - or both - we have tips on how to handle these situations with ease.</p>
<p>How do you handle challenging business conversations? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The dreaded awkward conversation. We’re not talking about making small talk at a networking event. In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle discuss how to handle difficult client conversations. Whether you’re dealing with a difficult personality, a delicate topic - or both - we have tips on how to handle these situations with ease.
How do you handle challenging business conversations? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>149</itunes:episode>
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    <item>
        <title>Nomad, No Problem with Jennifer Donovan of Nova Communications - Episode 146</title>
        <itunes:title>Nomad, No Problem with Jennifer Donovan of Nova Communications - Episode 146</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/nomad-no-problem-with-jennifer-donovan-of-nova-communications-episode-146/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/nomad-no-problem-with-jennifer-donovan-of-nova-communications-episode-146/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Working as a Solo PR Pro gives freedom in so many ways. Not only does it allow us to choose how much we work and who we work with, but we can also choose where to work. For some of us, it’s the occasional co-working space or coffee shop to break things up. For others, like our friend and fellow Solo Jennifer Donovan of <a href='https://www.nova-comms.com/'>Nova Communications</a>, it means becoming a legit digital nomad. Join us as Jennifer shares her tips and recommendations for making the digital nomad life work for you.</p>
<p>Have you ever thought of moving abroad? Or are you already doing it? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working as a Solo PR Pro gives freedom in so many ways. Not only does it allow us to choose how much we work and who we work with, but we can also choose where to work. For some of us, it’s the occasional co-working space or coffee shop to break things up. For others, like our friend and fellow Solo Jennifer Donovan of <a href='https://www.nova-comms.com/'>Nova Communications</a>, it means becoming a legit digital nomad. Join us as Jennifer shares her tips and recommendations for making the digital nomad life work for you.</p>
<p>Have you ever thought of moving abroad? Or are you already doing it? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Working as a Solo PR Pro gives freedom in so many ways. Not only does it allow us to choose how much we work and who we work with, but we can also choose where to work. For some of us, it’s the occasional co-working space or coffee shop to break things up. For others, like our friend and fellow Solo Jennifer Donovan of Nova Communications, it means becoming a legit digital nomad. Join us as Jennifer shares her tips and recommendations for making the digital nomad life work for you.
Have you ever thought of moving abroad? Or are you already doing it? Share your experience with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>148</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Why Solo PR Pros Need to Breathe and Hydrate - Episode 145</title>
        <itunes:title>Why Solo PR Pros Need to Breathe and Hydrate - Episode 145</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/why-solo-pr-pros-need-to-breathe-and-hydrate/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/why-solo-pr-pros-need-to-breathe-and-hydrate/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We know that health is critical to business owners. Jessica D'Angelo, founder of Shine Yoga in Perkasie, PA provides simple tips to keep you healthy and calm.  Whether or not you are a yoga aficionado, Jessica encourages intentional movement, simple stretches, and hydration. In this episode, Jessica describes a few easy movements as well as a 4-step breath process that will have you relaxing in no time.</p>
<p>Jessica is a 22-year veteran of the health and fitness industry and shares her own pivot into creating her own business. She can be found at <a href='http://www.shineyogaperkasie.com/'>www.shineyogaperkasie.com</a> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know that health is critical to business owners. Jessica D'Angelo, founder of Shine Yoga in Perkasie, PA provides simple tips to keep you healthy and calm.  Whether or not you are a yoga aficionado, Jessica encourages intentional movement, simple stretches, and hydration. In this episode, Jessica describes a few easy movements as well as a 4-step breath process that will have you relaxing in no time.</p>
<p>Jessica is a 22-year veteran of the health and fitness industry and shares her own pivot into creating her own business. She can be found at <a href='http://www.shineyogaperkasie.com/'>www.shineyogaperkasie.com</a> </p>
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        <itunes:summary>Jessica D’Angelo, health and ftness industry vet, and owner of Shine Yoga Center in Perkasie, PA shares simple tips for Solo PR Pros to keep their mind and bodies in shape.</itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>147</itunes:episode>
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    <item>
        <title>How Solo PR Pros Can Manage Client Communications - Episode 144</title>
        <itunes:title>How Solo PR Pros Can Manage Client Communications - Episode 144</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-solo-pr-pros-can-manage-client-communications-episode-144/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-solo-pr-pros-can-manage-client-communications-episode-144/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Many client problems stem from miscommunication. In this episode, we will discuss how to avoid challenges and successfully communicate with your clients from Day 1.</p>
<p>What processes do you have in place for client communication? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many client problems stem from miscommunication. In this episode, we will discuss how to avoid challenges and successfully communicate with your clients from Day 1.</p>
<p>What processes do you have in place for client communication? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/3v5w5u/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_How_Solo_PR_Pros_Can_Manage_Client_Communications_Ep_1448izxq.mp3" length="24082071" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Many client problems stem from miscommunication. In this episode, we will discuss how to avoid challenges and successfully communicate with your clients from Day 1.
What processes do you have in place for client communication? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>146</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_144_1500px7uxfy.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Spring Financial Cleaning for Solo PR Pros - Episode 143</title>
        <itunes:title>Spring Financial Cleaning for Solo PR Pros - Episode 143</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/spring-financial-cleaning-for-solo-pr-pros/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/spring-financial-cleaning-for-solo-pr-pros/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 04 Apr 2022 06:35:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Spring is a great time to throw open the windows, let the fresh air in and deep clean those areas that have lingered in the long, dark winter season. Spring cleaning is great for your Solo PR business too. On today's episode we talk about spring cleaning your business finances.</p>
<p>Here are some of the resources we discussed:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.truebill.com/'>Truebill</a></p>
<p><a href='https://mint.intuit.com/'>Mint</a></p>
<p><a href='https://bobbyapp.co/'>Bobby</a></p>
<p><a href='https://mileiq.com/'>MileIQ</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.freshbooks.com/'>FreshBooks</a></p>
<p><a href='http://quickbooks.com/'>QuickBooks</a></p>
<p>Do you have a spring cleaning plan for your finances? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spring is a great time to throw open the windows, let the fresh air in and deep clean those areas that have lingered in the long, dark winter season. Spring cleaning is great for your Solo PR business too. On today's episode we talk about spring cleaning your business finances.</p>
<p>Here are some of the resources we discussed:</p>
<p><a href='https://www.truebill.com/'>Truebill</a></p>
<p><a href='https://mint.intuit.com/'>Mint</a></p>
<p><a href='https://bobbyapp.co/'>Bobby</a></p>
<p><a href='https://mileiq.com/'>MileIQ</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.freshbooks.com/'>FreshBooks</a></p>
<p><a href='http://quickbooks.com/'>QuickBooks</a></p>
<p>Do you have a spring cleaning plan for your finances? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Spring is a great time to throw open the windows, let the fresh air in and deep clean those areas that have lingered in the long, dark winter season. Spring cleaning is great for your Solo PR business too. On today's episode we talk about spring cleaning your business finances.
Here are some of the resources we discussed:
Truebill
Mint
Bobby
MileIQ
FreshBooks
QuickBooks
Do you have a spring cleaning plan for your finances? Tell us about it at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1913</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>145</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_143_1500px74nsk.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Spring Clean Your Information Diet - Episode 142</title>
        <itunes:title>Spring Clean Your Information Diet - Episode 142</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/spring-clean-your-information-diet-episode-142/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/spring-clean-your-information-diet-episode-142/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Mar 2022 06:34:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Public relations professionals often say that they must know everything to do their jobs. In this episode of That Solo Life, we challenge that assumption and discuss how to streamline your information diet so that you can have a healthier life and business.</p>
<p>How do you monitor your media diet? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public relations professionals often say that they must know everything to do their jobs. In this episode of That Solo Life, we challenge that assumption and discuss how to streamline your information diet so that you can have a healthier life and business.</p>
<p>How do you monitor your media diet? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/9s5r48/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Spring_Clean_Your_Information_Diet_Ep_14290bum.mp3" length="19236158" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Public relations professionals often say that they must know everything to do their jobs. In this episode of That Solo Life, we challenge that assumption and discuss how to streamline your information diet so that you can have a healthier life and business.
How do you monitor your media diet? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1196</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>144</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_142_1500px7gvnq.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Recipe for Research - Episode 141</title>
        <itunes:title>Recipe for Research - Episode 141</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/recipe-for-research-episode-141/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/recipe-for-research-episode-141/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Mar 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Marketing Research is an important tool for public relations professionals. In today’s episode, Annie Singer, founder of Reciple chats with Karen and Michelle about a few fundamentals of marketing research that anyone can (and should!) use. We discuss common mistakes, how to do research even with small budgets and traps to avoid.</p>
<p><a href='linkedin.com/in/singerandrea'>Connect with Annie via LinkedIn</a></p>
<p><a href='mailto:annie@reciple.com'>Email Annie</a></p>
<p><a href='https://reciple.com/'>Visit Reciple at reciple.com</a></p>
<p>How do you carry out your marketing research? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marketing Research is an important tool for public relations professionals. In today’s episode, Annie Singer, founder of Reciple chats with Karen and Michelle about a few fundamentals of marketing research that anyone can (and should!) use. We discuss common mistakes, how to do research even with small budgets and traps to avoid.</p>
<p><a href='linkedin.com/in/singerandrea'>Connect with Annie via LinkedIn</a></p>
<p><a href='mailto:annie@reciple.com'>Email Annie</a></p>
<p><a href='https://reciple.com/'>Visit Reciple at reciple.com</a></p>
<p>How do you carry out your marketing research? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/erebzy/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Recipe_for_Research_Ep_14188v2u.mp3" length="28389308" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Marketing Research is an important tool for public relations professionals. In today’s episode, Annie Singer, founder of Reciple chats with Karen and Michelle about a few fundamentals of marketing research that anyone can (and should!) use. We discuss common mistakes, how to do research even with small budgets and traps to avoid.
Connect with Annie via LinkedIn
Email Annie
Visit Reciple at reciple.com
How do you carry out your marketing research? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1768</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>143</itunes:episode>
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        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_141_1500px9wzkt.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Managing Uncertain Times with Chip Griffin - Episode 140</title>
        <itunes:title>Managing Uncertain Times with Chip Griffin - Episode 140</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-uncertain-times-with-chip-griffin-episode-140/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/managing-uncertain-times-with-chip-griffin-episode-140/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Mar 2022 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The 2020s have been the era of change, and Solo PR Pros might be a little dizzy from all of the pivoting. Just when we were ready to exhale, we entered a period of economic uncertainty. Today, Karen and Michelle welcome special guest, Chip Griffin of <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a>.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your experience. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 2020s have been the era of change, and Solo PR Pros might be a little dizzy from all of the pivoting. Just when we were ready to exhale, we entered a period of economic uncertainty. Today, Karen and Michelle welcome special guest, Chip Griffin of <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a>.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your experience. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/7ceez6/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Managing_Uncertain_Times_with_Chip_Griffin_Ep_14091juk.mp3" length="25403610" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The 2020s have been the era of change, and Solo PR Pros might be a little dizzy from all of the pivoting. Just when we were ready to exhale, we entered a period of economic uncertainty. Today, Karen and Michelle welcome special guest, Chip Griffin of Small Agency Growth Alliance.
We’d love to hear your experience. Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1581</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>142</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_140_1500px8j0lu.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>In Celebration of Women - Episode 139</title>
        <itunes:title>In Celebration of Women - Episode 139</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/in-celebration-of-women-episode-139/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/in-celebration-of-women-episode-139/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2022 06:33:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Happy Women's History Month! On today's episode, Karen and Michelle discuss women in business and how we can continue to blaze new trails.</p>
<p>How are you marking Women’s History Month? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy Women's History Month! On today's episode, Karen and Michelle discuss women in business and how we can continue to blaze new trails.</p>
<p>How are you marking Women’s History Month? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/kierb2/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_In_Celebration_of_Women_Ep_1398xc2o.mp3" length="25959910" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Happy Women's History Month! On today's episode, Karen and Michelle discuss women in business and how we can continue to blaze new trails.
How are you marking Women’s History Month? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1616</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>141</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_139_1500px9lgyt.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Is Content Still Queen? - Episode 138</title>
        <itunes:title>Is Content Still Queen? - Episode 138</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-content-still-queen-episode-138/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-content-still-queen-episode-138/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2022 06:34:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>On today's episode, Michelle and Karen talk about content and where it fits in today's PR toolbox.</p>
<p>Are you creating content to complement your media relations? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On today's episode, Michelle and Karen talk about content and where it fits in today's PR toolbox.</p>
<p>Are you creating content to complement your media relations? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/v76cqh/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Is_Content_Still_Queen_Ep_1387770l.mp3" length="20027194" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[On today's episode, Michelle and Karen talk about content and where it fits in today's PR toolbox.
Are you creating content to complement your media relations? Tell us about it at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1246</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>140</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_138_1500px6vu4j.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Value of Diversity in Organizations - Episode 137</title>
        <itunes:title>The Value of Diversity in Organizations - Episode 137</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-value-of-diversity-in-organizations-episode-137/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-value-of-diversity-in-organizations-episode-137/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2022 06:32:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today's discussion Karen and Michelle discuss how PR Pros can lead discussions with clients about the value of having diversity in organizations.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.devry.edu/blog/diversity-in-the-workplace.html'>Here is the link to the article referenced in today’s episode.</a></p>
<p>Are you helping your clients work through their diversity goals? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today's discussion Karen and Michelle discuss how PR Pros can lead discussions with clients about the value of having diversity in organizations.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.devry.edu/blog/diversity-in-the-workplace.html'>Here is the link to the article referenced in today’s episode.</a></p>
<p>Are you helping your clients work through their diversity goals? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's discussion Karen and Michelle discuss how PR Pros can lead discussions with clients about the value of having diversity in organizations.
Here is the link to the article referenced in today’s episode.
Are you helping your clients work through their diversity goals? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1453</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>139</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_137_1500px7th7z.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Fall in Love with Your Possibilities as a Solo PR Pro - Episode 136</title>
        <itunes:title>Fall in Love with Your Possibilities as a Solo PR Pro - Episode 136</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/fall-in-love-with-your-possibilities-as-a-solo-pr-pro-episode-136/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/fall-in-love-with-your-possibilities-as-a-solo-pr-pro-episode-136/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Feb 2022 06:34:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Love is in the air but for Solo PR Pros, loving your business and work is a 12-month pursuit. Like any relationship, Solo PR Pros must nurture their business relationship and learn how to keep things fresh and exciting.</p>
<p>Here is that quote on boundaries that Michelle shared. Keep it near as you balance life and work.</p>
<p>“Boundaries aren't just about telling other people what to do but are also about holding yourself accountable for creating your life.” Nedra Glover Tawwab</p>
<p>How do you keep the love alive in your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love is in the air but for Solo PR Pros, loving your business and work is a 12-month pursuit. Like any relationship, Solo PR Pros must nurture their business relationship and learn how to keep things fresh and exciting.</p>
<p>Here is that quote on boundaries that Michelle shared. Keep it near as you balance life and work.</p>
<p>“Boundaries aren't just about telling other people what to do but are also about holding yourself accountable for creating your life.” Nedra Glover Tawwab</p>
<p>How do you keep the love alive in your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/fcy72r/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Falling_in_Love_with_Your_Possibilities_as_a_Solo_PR_Pro_Ep_1369xlzw.mp3" length="24744579" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Love is in the air but for Solo PR Pros, loving your business and work is a 12-month pursuit. Like any relationship, Solo PR Pros must nurture their business relationship and learn how to keep things fresh and exciting.
Here is that quote on boundaries that Michelle shared. Keep it near as you balance life and work.
“Boundaries aren't just about telling other people what to do but are also about holding yourself accountable for creating your life.” Nedra Glover Tawwab
How do you keep the love alive in your work? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1541</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>138</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_136_1500px81yzh.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The ABCs of DEI for PR Pros - Episode 135</title>
        <itunes:title>The ABCs of DEI for PR Pros - Episode 135</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-abcs-of-dei-for-pr-pros-episode-135/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-abcs-of-dei-for-pr-pros-episode-135/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Feb 2022 06:48:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/4ba58876-9939-37f6-b325-54a0e4a022a5</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Public Relations pros have a crucial role in helping organizations communicate about diversity, equity, and inclusion. In this episode, we examine challenges and solutions to improve your communication efforts around DEI.</p>
<p>As promised, here are links to broaden your efforts in DEI:</p>
<p><a href='https://voices4everyone.prsa.org/'>Voices4Everyone</a></p>
<p><a href='https://instituteforpr.org/the-way-pr-leaders-communicate-about-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-matters/'>Institute for Public Relations article: The Way PR Leaders Communicate about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Matters</a></p>
<p>Are you leading DEI efforts with your clients or organization? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public Relations pros have a crucial role in helping organizations communicate about diversity, equity, and inclusion. In this episode, we examine challenges and solutions to improve your communication efforts around DEI.</p>
<p>As promised, here are links to broaden your efforts in DEI:</p>
<p><a href='https://voices4everyone.prsa.org/'>Voices4Everyone</a></p>
<p><a href='https://instituteforpr.org/the-way-pr-leaders-communicate-about-diversity-equity-and-inclusion-matters/'>Institute for Public Relations article: The Way PR Leaders Communicate about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Matters</a></p>
<p>Are you leading DEI efforts with your clients or organization? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/7mhhfj/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_ABCs_of_DEI_for_PR_Pros_Ep_13563on5.mp3" length="19093496" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Public Relations pros have a crucial role in helping organizations communicate about diversity, equity, and inclusion. In this episode, we examine challenges and solutions to improve your communication efforts around DEI.
As promised, here are links to broaden your efforts in DEI:
Voices4Everyone
Institute for Public Relations article: The Way PR Leaders Communicate about Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Matters
Are you leading DEI efforts with your clients or organization? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1188</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>137</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_135_1500px9fg3n.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>How Solo PR Pros Can Keep Writing Skills Sharp - Episode 134</title>
        <itunes:title>How Solo PR Pros Can Keep Writing Skills Sharp - Episode 134</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-solo-pr-pros-can-keep-writing-skills-sharp-episode-134/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-solo-pr-pros-can-keep-writing-skills-sharp-episode-134/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 31 Jan 2022 05:59:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/2f0ff909-6efd-3dea-ab5c-3cd6ddd45403</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Writing is a big part of public relations and doing it well can set you apart. Today we discuss how to flex that muscle and keep your writing skills sharp.</p>
<p>How do you make sure your writing stays on point? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Writing is a big part of public relations and doing it well can set you apart. Today we discuss how to flex that muscle and keep your writing skills sharp.</p>
<p>How do you make sure your writing stays on point? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/nvh7t2/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_How_Solo_PR_Pros_Can_Keep_Writing_Skills_Sharp_Ep_134abacy.mp3" length="16077752" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Writing is a big part of public relations and doing it well can set you apart. Today we discuss how to flex that muscle and keep your writing skills sharp.
How do you make sure your writing stays on point? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>999</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>136</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_134_1500px6mbcs.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Don’t Let Time Manage You - Episode 133</title>
        <itunes:title>Don’t Let Time Manage You - Episode 133</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/don-t-let-time-manage-you-episode-133/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/don-t-let-time-manage-you-episode-133/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jan 2022 06:51:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/eb67abdb-f335-350f-8238-0aba86a0cec7</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Make this the year that you take control of your time and stop being controlled by an overflowing calendar, and a far too long to-do list. Join us as we discuss how to reclaim your life by managing your time. We chat about tips and strategies that will help you to boss up and OWN your time.</p>
<p>What is your favorite way to manage your time? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make this the year that you take control of your time and stop being controlled by an overflowing calendar, and a far too long to-do list. Join us as we discuss how to reclaim your life by managing your time. We chat about tips and strategies that will help you to boss up and OWN your time.</p>
<p>What is your favorite way to manage your time? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/qfkgdb/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Don_t_Let_Time_Manage_You_Ep_13367jhr.mp3" length="29326022" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Make this the year that you take control of your time and stop being controlled by an overflowing calendar, and a far too long to-do list. Join us as we discuss how to reclaim your life by managing your time. We chat about tips and strategies that will help you to boss up and OWN your time.
What is your favorite way to manage your time? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1827</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>135</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_133_1500pxa4ohk.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Get It in Writing - Episode 132</title>
        <itunes:title>Get It in Writing - Episode 132</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/get-it-in-writing-episode-132/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/get-it-in-writing-episode-132/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2022 06:47:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/0beb8231-89ba-33c0-81a7-a23c1b7e8362</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We are kicking off 2022 by going back to basics. In today's episode Karen and Michelle chat about contracts. What kind of agreement do you need? Are there any red flags? What should you – what can you - negotiate?</p>
<p>How do you handle your contracts? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are kicking off 2022 by going back to basics. In today's episode Karen and Michelle chat about contracts. What kind of agreement do you need? Are there any red flags? What should you – what can you - negotiate?</p>
<p>How do you handle your contracts? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/6e4q6a/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Get_It_in_Writing_Ep_1326d0vb.mp3" length="22085910" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are kicking off 2022 by going back to basics. In today's episode Karen and Michelle chat about contracts. What kind of agreement do you need? Are there any red flags? What should you – what can you - negotiate?
How do you handle your contracts? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1375</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>134</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_132_1500pxa9e82.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Playing by the Rules - Episode 131</title>
        <itunes:title>Playing by the Rules - Episode 131</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/playing-by-the-rules-episode-131/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/playing-by-the-rules-episode-131/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2022 06:20:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/3d4ce721-9179-3550-891b-83923cbc8c70</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Following the rules is great, but sometimes we treat someone else's opinions as a rule. Questioning long accepted practices is not only acceptable but healthy. Join Michelle and Karen as they discuss how to up your game by breaking a few "rules."</p>
<p>What’s the rule you’d most like to break? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Following the rules is great, but sometimes we treat someone else's opinions as a rule. Questioning long accepted practices is not only acceptable but healthy. Join Michelle and Karen as they discuss how to up your game by breaking a few "rules."</p>
<p>What’s the rule you’d most like to break? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/72hhm4/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Playing_by_the_Rules_Ep_1319hyfi.mp3" length="27234789" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Following the rules is great, but sometimes we treat someone else's opinions as a rule. Questioning long accepted practices is not only acceptable but healthy. Join Michelle and Karen as they discuss how to up your game by breaking a few "rules."
What’s the rule you’d most like to break? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1697</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>133</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_131_1500px6zh5b.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Giving Back without Losing Yourself - Episode 130</title>
        <itunes:title>Giving Back without Losing Yourself - Episode 130</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/giving-back-without-losing-yourself-episode-130/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/giving-back-without-losing-yourself-episode-130/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2022 06:49:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/e7c59add-4dc3-33a6-b059-23d47eec6ba2</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>PR pros have a passion for communication, and we have big hearts. That’s why we need to be mindful of our time and energy when deciding to take on a pro bono project, not to mention the temptation of clients who promise they’ll have the budget for us one day but could we just this once… Karen and Michelle talk all about it in today’s episode.</p>
<p>How do you decide when to take on a pro bono project? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR pros have a passion for communication, and we have big hearts. That’s why we need to be mindful of our time and energy when deciding to take on a pro bono project, not to mention the temptation of clients who promise they’ll have the budget for us one day but could we just this once… Karen and Michelle talk all about it in today’s episode.</p>
<p>How do you decide when to take on a pro bono project? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/xj8nxp/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Giving_Back_without_Losing_Yourself_Ep_1309op89.mp3" length="20557649" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[PR pros have a passion for communication, and we have big hearts. That’s why we need to be mindful of our time and energy when deciding to take on a pro bono project, not to mention the temptation of clients who promise they’ll have the budget for us one day but could we just this once… Karen and Michelle talk all about it in today’s episode.
How do you decide when to take on a pro bono project? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1280</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>132</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_130_1500px9itk3.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Fa La La and Favorite Things - Episode 129</title>
        <itunes:title>Fa La La and Favorite Things - Episode 129</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/fa-la-la-and-favorite-things-episode-129/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/fa-la-la-and-favorite-things-episode-129/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2021 06:23:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/83bab556-005c-3e2e-9b53-7fe626daf7a5</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s the most wonderful time of the year, the time when the influx of emails slows and the business world slows down just a little bit. Karen and Michelle are taking this opportunity to talk about their favorite holiday things (sorry, no one is getting a car – we’re not Oprah). </p>
<p>What are your favorites of the holiday season? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the most wonderful time of the year, the time when the influx of emails slows and the business world slows down just a little bit. Karen and Michelle are taking this opportunity to talk about their favorite holiday things (sorry, no one is getting a car – we’re not Oprah). </p>
<p>What are your favorites of the holiday season? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/3drkjd/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLIfe_Fa_La_La_and_Favorite_Things_Ep_1297qltz.mp3" length="19645073" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s the most wonderful time of the year, the time when the influx of emails slows and the business world slows down just a little bit. Karen and Michelle are taking this opportunity to talk about their favorite holiday things (sorry, no one is getting a car – we’re not Oprah). 
What are your favorites of the holiday season? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1223</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>131</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_129_1500px868dv.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Setting Expectations - Episode 128</title>
        <itunes:title>Setting Expectations - Episode 128</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/setting-expectations-episode-128/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/setting-expectations-episode-128/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Dec 2021 06:32:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/325f3f76-1628-32fe-8189-0f8af30fdfa8</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Gaining media placements is never a sure thing, especially in the current landscape. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the best ways to set client expectations and why it’s important to keep our clients updated along the way.</p>
<p>How do you set client expectations? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gaining media placements is never a sure thing, especially in the current landscape. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the best ways to set client expectations and why it’s important to keep our clients updated along the way.</p>
<p>How do you set client expectations? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Gaining media placements is never a sure thing, especially in the current landscape. In today’s episode, Karen and Michelle talk about the best ways to set client expectations and why it’s important to keep our clients updated along the way.
How do you set client expectations? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1160</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>130</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Gearing Up for 2022: A Look at Consumer Trends - Episode 127</title>
        <itunes:title>Gearing Up for 2022: A Look at Consumer Trends - Episode 127</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/gearing-up-for-2022-a-look-at-consumer-trends-episode-127/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/gearing-up-for-2022-a-look-at-consumer-trends-episode-127/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2021 06:06:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As 2021 comes to a close, Karen and Michelle chat about the consumer trends PR pros should be watching as they plan messaging and campaigns in 2022.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.gwi.com/hubfs/Downloads/Connecting%20the%20dots%202022.pdf?utm_campaign=210519%20Link%20to%20email%20p2%7C&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=183062414&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_bkhJPViKnIFO7iBXTyEUVikFtHz-rBRU2Eaz_z8qHdIbkaQpmF1c6CfP-0co27OezLphGgjswm-n-eSFx_PQiDb6hw71SGcrXbXqstN3PclgrI-M&utm_content=183062414&utm_source=hs_automation'>Take a deeper dive into GWI’s Annual Consumer Trends report.</a></p>
<p>What key trends will you focus on in 2022? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As 2021 comes to a close, Karen and Michelle chat about the consumer trends PR pros should be watching as they plan messaging and campaigns in 2022.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.gwi.com/hubfs/Downloads/Connecting%20the%20dots%202022.pdf?utm_campaign=210519%20Link%20to%20email%20p2%7C&utm_medium=email&_hsmi=183062414&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_bkhJPViKnIFO7iBXTyEUVikFtHz-rBRU2Eaz_z8qHdIbkaQpmF1c6CfP-0co27OezLphGgjswm-n-eSFx_PQiDb6hw71SGcrXbXqstN3PclgrI-M&utm_content=183062414&utm_source=hs_automation'>Take a deeper dive into GWI’s Annual Consumer Trends report.</a></p>
<p>What key trends will you focus on in 2022? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/6mzziz/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Gearing_Up_for_2022_A_Look_at_Consumer_Trends_Ep_1279jp9k.mp3" length="21636630" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As 2021 comes to a close, Karen and Michelle chat about the consumer trends PR pros should be watching as they plan messaging and campaigns in 2022.
Take a deeper dive into GWI’s Annual Consumer Trends report.
What key trends will you focus on in 2022? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1347</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>129</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_127_1500pxalvp2.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>4 Steps to Be Unstoppable in 2022 in Work and Life with Natalee Champlin - Episode 126</title>
        <itunes:title>4 Steps to Be Unstoppable in 2022 in Work and Life with Natalee Champlin - Episode 126</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/4-steps-to-be-unstoppable-in-2022-in-work-and-life-with-natalee-champlin-episode-126/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/4-steps-to-be-unstoppable-in-2022-in-work-and-life-with-natalee-champlin-episode-126/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2021 06:40:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s the most wonderful time of the year. The time when we finish the year strong and take some time to recharge and enter 2022 ready to go. Today’s conversation with Natalee Champlin will help you do just that! Through a holistic approach to brand positioning, strategy, and workplace culture, she has supported hundreds of clients in starting and growing profitable organizations and has led them to six-figure results. And today she’s here to share with us the four steps we can take to be unstoppable in 2022 in work and life.</p>
<p>You can reach Natalee via text (no, really!) at 415-862-7472 and learn more about her at <a href='https://www.nataleechamplin.com/'>https://www.nataleechamplin.com/</a>.</p>
<p>Share with us how you’ve been inspired by this episode at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s the most wonderful time of the year. The time when we finish the year strong and take some time to recharge and enter 2022 ready to go. Today’s conversation with Natalee Champlin will help you do just that! Through a holistic approach to brand positioning, strategy, and workplace culture, she has supported hundreds of clients in starting and growing profitable organizations and has led them to six-figure results. And today she’s here to share with us the four steps we can take to be unstoppable in 2022 in work <em>and</em> life.</p>
<p>You can reach Natalee via text (no, really!) at 415-862-7472 and learn more about her at <a href='https://www.nataleechamplin.com/'>https://www.nataleechamplin.com/</a>.</p>
<p>Share with us how you’ve been inspired by this episode at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/ibpk2t/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_4_Steps_To_Be_Unstoppable_in_2022_In_Work_and_Life_with_Natalee_Champlin_Ep_1267dt3h.mp3" length="36679595" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s the most wonderful time of the year. The time when we finish the year strong and take some time to recharge and enter 2022 ready to go. Today’s conversation with Natalee Champlin will help you do just that! Through a holistic approach to brand positioning, strategy, and workplace culture, she has supported hundreds of clients in starting and growing profitable organizations and has led them to six-figure results. And today she’s here to share with us the four steps we can take to be unstoppable in 2022 in work and life.
You can reach Natalee via text (no, really!) at 415-862-7472 and learn more about her at https://www.nataleechamplin.com/.
Share with us how you’ve been inspired by this episode at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2288</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>128</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_126avimg.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Giving Thanks - Episode 125</title>
        <itunes:title>Giving Thanks - Episode 125</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/giving-thanks-episode-125/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/giving-thanks-episode-125/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 06:22:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’ve just celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday here in the U.S. Among the things we are thankful for as solos are the clients and colleagues we get to work with and the flexibility that comes with working for ourselves. As you pursue new business now and into 2022, use this as a guide to be thankful, always.</p>
<p>Think through the scope of work.</p>
<p>Honesty – be honest with yourself and the kind of work you want to do</p>
<p>Ask questions. What is the client culture like? How will the work take place?</p>
<p>Never compromise on your beliefs, the way you like to work, your price, etc.</p>
<p>Know your value</p>
<p>We are thankful for you, our listeners. We’d love to hear your feedback. Tell us what you would like us to cover on That Solo Life at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve just celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday here in the U.S. Among the things we are thankful for as solos are the clients and colleagues we get to work with and the flexibility that comes with working for ourselves. As you pursue new business now and into 2022, use this as a guide to be thankful, always.</p>
<p>Think through the scope of work.</p>
<p>Honesty – be honest with yourself and the kind of work you want to do</p>
<p>Ask questions. What is the client culture like? How will the work take place?</p>
<p>Never compromise on your beliefs, the way you like to work, your price, etc.</p>
<p>Know your value</p>
<p>We are thankful for you, our listeners. We’d love to hear your feedback. Tell us what you would like us to cover on That Solo Life at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’ve just celebrated the Thanksgiving holiday here in the U.S. Among the things we are thankful for as solos are the clients and colleagues we get to work with and the flexibility that comes with working for ourselves. As you pursue new business now and into 2022, use this as a guide to be thankful, always.
Think through the scope of work.
Honesty – be honest with yourself and the kind of work you want to do
Ask questions. What is the client culture like? How will the work take place?
Never compromise on your beliefs, the way you like to work, your price, etc.
Know your value
We are thankful for you, our listeners. We’d love to hear your feedback. Tell us what you would like us to cover on That Solo Life at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1162</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>127</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_125_1500pxagl8p.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Is Cash King? Episode 124</title>
        <itunes:title>Is Cash King? Episode 124</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-cash-king-episode-124/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-cash-king-episode-124/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Nov 2021 06:32:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/42eaca2d-fb48-3cb9-a83e-eb0f97c07d11</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever had a potential client ask you to consider alternative payment arrangements such as bartering, stock options, or future pay? Today we discuss whether you should ever consider them or if cash is king.</p>
<p>You can also watch the YouTube broadcast of this episode here: <a href='https://youtu.be/6Cn9ld1_9eE'>https://youtu.be/6Cn9ld1_9eE</a></p>
<p>What do you think? Have you ever accepted equity in the client’s company as payment? Did that work out to your advantage? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever had a potential client ask you to consider alternative payment arrangements such as bartering, stock options, or future pay? Today we discuss whether you should ever consider them or if cash is king.</p>
<p>You can also watch the YouTube broadcast of this episode here: <a href='https://youtu.be/6Cn9ld1_9eE'>https://youtu.be/6Cn9ld1_9eE</a></p>
<p>What do you think? Have you ever accepted equity in the client’s company as payment? Did that work out to your advantage? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/pw7cjs/SoloPRPro_That_Solo_Life_Is_Cash_King_Ep_1246gxgc.mp3" length="21224842" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Have you ever had a potential client ask you to consider alternative payment arrangements such as bartering, stock options, or future pay? Today we discuss whether you should ever consider them or if cash is king.
You can also watch the YouTube broadcast of this episode here: https://youtu.be/6Cn9ld1_9eE
What do you think? Have you ever accepted equity in the client’s company as payment? Did that work out to your advantage? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1322</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>126</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_124_1500px67603.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>C‘mon, Get Happy - Episode 123</title>
        <itunes:title>C‘mon, Get Happy - Episode 123</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/c-mon-get-happy-episode-123/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/c-mon-get-happy-episode-123/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 06:05:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, Michelle and Karen are joined by Vernon Brown, a leading happiness and success coach. Tune in to hear his strategies on finding your happy place and making it home. Learn more about Vernon at <a href='http://www.whatsyourhappi.com'>www.whatsyourhappi.com</a></p>
<p>We were so inspired by our conversation with Vernon. What’s your main takeaway? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today's episode, Michelle and Karen are joined by Vernon Brown, a leading happiness and success coach. Tune in to hear his strategies on finding your happy place and making it home. Learn more about Vernon at <a href='http://www.whatsyourhappi.com'>www.whatsyourhappi.com</a></p>
<p>We were so inspired by our conversation with Vernon. What’s your main takeaway? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/w4ii5x/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_CMon_Get_Happy_Ep1239mafz.mp3" length="41566620" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's episode, Michelle and Karen are joined by Vernon Brown, a leading happiness and success coach. Tune in to hear his strategies on finding your happy place and making it home. Learn more about Vernon at www.whatsyourhappi.com
We were so inspired by our conversation with Vernon. What’s your main takeaway? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2593</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>125</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_123_1500px95l9v.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Off the Record? - Episode 122</title>
        <itunes:title>Off the Record? - Episode 122</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/off-the-record-episode-122/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/off-the-record-episode-122/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2021 06:54:00 -0500</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/42e7579e-3c6f-3c4f-bb64-fd225f5ff7d3</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to clients, how much information should you share with them? How personal can you get without crossing the line? Join Karen and Michelle as they dish on this topic.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When it comes to clients, how much information should you share with them? How personal can you get without crossing the line? Join Karen and Michelle as they dish on this topic.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/urmzdr/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Off_the_record_Ep_1226agz2.mp3" length="19861792" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[When it comes to clients, how much information should you share with them? How personal can you get without crossing the line? Join Karen and Michelle as they dish on this topic.
What are your thoughts? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1237</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>124</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_122_1500pxa8gm1.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>How Not to Pick Sides in a Divided World - Episode 121</title>
        <itunes:title>How Not to Pick Sides in a Divided World - Episode 121</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-not-to-pick-sides-in-a-divided-world-episode-121/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/how-not-to-pick-sides-in-a-divided-world-episode-121/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 06:24:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/91f553ea-6f9f-3ac5-96f2-91043fb196e2</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The longer the COVID-19 pandemic lingers, the more the world is changing including the tone of our rhetoric. How can we make sure we are communicating fairly and constructively in our personal and professional lives and how can we help our clients do the same? We search for answers in today’s episode.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer the COVID-19 pandemic lingers, the more the world is changing including the tone of our rhetoric. How can we make sure we are communicating fairly and constructively in our personal and professional lives and how can we help our clients do the same? We search for answers in today’s episode.</p>
<p>What are your thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/d2xe3b/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_How_Not_to_Pick_Sides_in_a_Divided_World_Ep_1219r28t.mp3" length="23503134" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The longer the COVID-19 pandemic lingers, the more the world is changing including the tone of our rhetoric. How can we make sure we are communicating fairly and constructively in our personal and professional lives and how can we help our clients do the same? We search for answers in today’s episode.
What are your thoughts? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1465</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>123</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_121_1500px7ovut.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Cutting through the Noise - Episode 120</title>
        <itunes:title>Cutting through the Noise - Episode 120</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/cutting-through-the-noise-episode-120/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/cutting-through-the-noise-episode-120/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Oct 2021 06:24:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/426fafd4-e85a-398e-89df-026783bd6486</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Now more than ever, our focus and our work are impacted by information overload and the need to get through to our audiences. Let’s talk about how we can make the most impact and serve our clients well.</p>
<p>How do you stay focused? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now more than ever, our focus and our work are impacted by information overload and the need to get through to our audiences. Let’s talk about how we can make the most impact and serve our clients well.</p>
<p>How do you stay focused? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/t9eixd/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Cutting_Through_the_Noise_Ep_120aepz6.mp3" length="27253319" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Now more than ever, our focus and our work are impacted by information overload and the need to get through to our audiences. Let’s talk about how we can make the most impact and serve our clients well.
How do you stay focused? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1699</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>122</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_120_1500px8o2e0.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Are We There Yet? Episode 119</title>
        <itunes:title>Are We There Yet? Episode 119</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/are-we-there-yet-episode-119/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/are-we-there-yet-episode-119/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2021 06:14:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Even though we’ve made a lot of progress with vaccines and treatments, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to affect our lives in many ways. We’re faced with breakthrough cases, supply chain issues, and general crisis fatigue. Let’s talk about how we take care of ourselves and continue to move forward in a positive way.</p>
<p>How are you doing? Share your story with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though we’ve made a lot of progress with vaccines and treatments, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to affect our lives in many ways. We’re faced with breakthrough cases, supply chain issues, and general crisis fatigue. Let’s talk about how we take care of ourselves and continue to move forward in a positive way.</p>
<p>How are you doing? Share your story with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Even though we’ve made a lot of progress with vaccines and treatments, the COVID-19 pandemic continues to affect our lives in many ways. We’re faced with breakthrough cases, supply chain issues, and general crisis fatigue. Let’s talk about how we take care of ourselves and continue to move forward in a positive way.
How are you doing? Share your story with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1779</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>121</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Independent Work Study - Episode 118</title>
        <itunes:title>Independent Work Study - Episode 118</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/independent-work-study-episode-118/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/independent-work-study-episode-118/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2021 06:42:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Every year we look forward to the MBO Partners State of Independence Report. This year is no different, especially considering the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the way we work. <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/state-of-independence/'>Read the preview of the 2021 report here.</a> The full report will be released later in the fall.</p>
<p>What is your big takeaway from this past year? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every year we look forward to the MBO Partners State of Independence Report. This year is no different, especially considering the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the way we work. <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/state-of-independence/'>Read the preview of the 2021 report here.</a> The full report will be released later in the fall.</p>
<p>What is your big takeaway from this past year? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/qfjyh6/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Independent_Work_Study_Ep_118bkxxl.mp3" length="18468661" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Every year we look forward to the MBO Partners State of Independence Report. This year is no different, especially considering the impact of the COVID-19 pandemic on the way we work. Read the preview of the 2021 report here. The full report will be released later in the fall.
What is your big takeaway from this past year? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1150</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>120</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_118_1500px73vbu.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>The Value of Mentorship - Episode 117</title>
        <itunes:title>The Value of Mentorship - Episode 117</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-value-of-mentorship-episode-117/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-value-of-mentorship-episode-117/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Sep 2021 06:36:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Mentorship. No matter where you are in your career, or in life, there is great value in both mentoring someone and seeking a mentor. Mentoring helps us learn about ourselves, each other, and helps everyone involved bring the most value to their everyday lives.</p>
<p>What is your mentorship experience? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mentorship. No matter where you are in your career, or in life, there is great value in both mentoring someone and seeking a mentor. Mentoring helps us learn about ourselves, each other, and helps everyone involved bring the most value to their everyday lives.</p>
<p>What is your mentorship experience? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/bm5nx9/SoloPRPro_That_Solo_Life_The_Value_of_Mentoring_Ep_1179e2o3.mp3" length="17631347" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Mentorship. No matter where you are in your career, or in life, there is great value in both mentoring someone and seeking a mentor. Mentoring helps us learn about ourselves, each other, and helps everyone involved bring the most value to their everyday lives.
What is your mentorship experience? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1098</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>119</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_117_1500px7plau.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Is That Prospect a Good Fit? Episode 116</title>
        <itunes:title>Is That Prospect a Good Fit? Episode 116</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-that-prospect-a-good-fit-episode-116/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/is-that-prospect-a-good-fit-episode-116/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2021 06:43:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>New business is great! New business that isn’t properly vetted? Sometimes not so great. In today’s episode we talk about taking the time to get to know a potential client, their goals, work styles, expectations, before diving in and sealing the deal. Is it like dating? Yes, sort of!</p>
<p>How do you vet your potential clients? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New business is great! New business that isn’t properly vetted? Sometimes not so great. In today’s episode we talk about taking the time to get to know a potential client, their goals, work styles, expectations, before diving in and sealing the deal. Is it like dating? Yes, sort of!</p>
<p>How do you vet your potential clients? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/r7htj5/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_IsThatProspectAGoodFit_Ep116.mp3" length="32500496" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[New business is great! New business that isn’t properly vetted? Sometimes not so great. In today’s episode we talk about taking the time to get to know a potential client, their goals, work styles, expectations, before diving in and sealing the deal. Is it like dating? Yes, sort of!
How do you vet your potential clients? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2028</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>118</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_116_1500px5yrg4.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>A Conversation with OnePitch Co-Founder Jered Martin - Episode 115</title>
        <itunes:title>A Conversation with OnePitch Co-Founder Jered Martin - Episode 115</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/a-conversation-with-onepitch-co-founder-jered-martin-episode-115/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/a-conversation-with-onepitch-co-founder-jered-martin-episode-115/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:22:56 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/f7ca731a-fcf2-358a-8479-1d2e8838b104</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We PR pros are always working to craft the perfect pitch. Clients want great placement, journalists are busy. If only there was a way to help us refine our pitches – or as Karen likes to say, do a “sanity check” to make sure it’s as focused and well-placed as possible. And wouldn’t it be great to have a tool that matches our pitch with journalists who are a great fit?</p>
<p>We’re happy to share that this exists in <a href='https://onepitch.co/'>OnePitch</a>, a tool with a mission is to change the way publicists and journalists connect - meaningfully and relevantly with one another.</p>
<p>Today we get to have a conversation with Jered Martin, he’s the co-founder and chief operations officer of OnePitch and he shares how this “Match.com for PR pros” can help us.</p>
<p>Learn more about OnePitch at <a href='https://onepitch.co/'>onepitch.co/</a> and download their State of Pitching report <a href='https://onepitch.co/state-of-pitching-vol-1/'>here</a>. And make sure to keep up with them via their podcast, <a href='https://onepitch.co/podcast'>Coffee with a Journalist</a>.</p>
<p>Have you used OnePitch? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We PR pros are always working to craft the perfect pitch. Clients want great placement, journalists are busy. If only there was a way to help us refine our pitches – or as Karen likes to say, do a “sanity check” to make sure it’s as focused and well-placed as possible. And wouldn’t it be great to have a tool that matches our pitch with journalists who are a great fit?</p>
<p>We’re happy to share that this exists in <a href='https://onepitch.co/'>OnePitch</a>, a tool with a mission is to change the way publicists and journalists connect - meaningfully and relevantly with one another.</p>
<p>Today we get to have a conversation with Jered Martin, he’s the co-founder and chief operations officer of OnePitch and he shares how this “Match.com for PR pros” can help us.</p>
<p>Learn more about OnePitch at <a href='https://onepitch.co/'>onepitch.co/</a> and download their State of Pitching report <a href='https://onepitch.co/state-of-pitching-vol-1/'>here</a>. And make sure to keep up with them via their podcast, <a href='https://onepitch.co/podcast'>Coffee with a Journalist</a>.</p>
<p>Have you used OnePitch? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/387uyk/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_A_Conversation_with_OnePitch_Co-Founder_Jered_Martin_Ep_1158yt9z.mp3" length="28208337" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We PR pros are always working to craft the perfect pitch. Clients want great placement, journalists are busy. If only there was a way to help us refine our pitches – or as Karen likes to say, do a “sanity check” to make sure it’s as focused and well-placed as possible. And wouldn’t it be great to have a tool that matches our pitch with journalists who are a great fit?
We’re happy to share that this exists in OnePitch, a tool with a mission is to change the way publicists and journalists connect - meaningfully and relevantly with one another.
Today we get to have a conversation with Jered Martin, he’s the co-founder and chief operations officer of OnePitch and he shares how this “Match.com for PR pros” can help us.
Learn more about OnePitch at onepitch.co/ and download their State of Pitching report here. And make sure to keep up with them via their podcast, Coffee with a Journalist.
Have you used OnePitch? Share your experience with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1760</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>117</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_1158kpvu.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Business Burnout - Episode 114</title>
        <itunes:title>Business Burnout - Episode 114</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/business-burnout-episode-114/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/business-burnout-episode-114/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Aug 2021 06:46:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>“I’m always behind.” “I’m exhausted.” “Will I ever catch up?” If this sounds like you right now, you’re not alone. Summer, which usually moves at a slower pace, has been anything but a time to relax. Not to mention that we are still grappling with COVID on many levels.</p>
<p>Thankfully, this era has also brought new transparency to conversations about mental health, including avoiding burnout as well as taking depression seriously and without shame. You’re no good to anyone – family, loved ones, work – if you are completely drained or facing a medical issue like depression. It’s important – essential – to check in with yourself. Seek help and take some time to process, recharge, and rediscover what lights you up and brings joy to your days.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_this_morning/video/OzCZEQFgUJkqOJaH6lwvZP28517QTAPO/yale-professor-and-the-happiness-lab-podcast-host-laurie-santos-on-the-importance-of-having-fun/'>Start with this CBS This Morning interview where Laurie Santos, a Professor of Psychology at Yale University and host of “The Happiness Lab” podcast, talks about the importance of having fun.</a></p>
<p>How do you keep burnout at bay? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’m always behind.” “I’m exhausted.” “Will I ever catch up?” If this sounds like you right now, you’re not alone. Summer, which usually moves at a slower pace, has been anything but a time to relax. Not to mention that we are still grappling with COVID on many levels.</p>
<p>Thankfully, this era has also brought new transparency to conversations about mental health, including avoiding burnout as well as taking depression seriously and without shame. You’re no good to anyone – family, loved ones, work – if you are completely drained or facing a medical issue like depression. It’s important – essential – to check in with yourself. Seek help and take some time to process, recharge, and rediscover what lights you up and brings joy to your days.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.cbs.com/shows/cbs_this_morning/video/OzCZEQFgUJkqOJaH6lwvZP28517QTAPO/yale-professor-and-the-happiness-lab-podcast-host-laurie-santos-on-the-importance-of-having-fun/'>Start with this CBS This Morning interview where Laurie Santos, a Professor of Psychology at Yale University and host of “The Happiness Lab” podcast, talks about the importance of having fun.</a></p>
<p>How do you keep burnout at bay? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/yfh9mz/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Business_Burn_Out_Ep_1146ed0z.mp3" length="25150915" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[“I’m always behind.” “I’m exhausted.” “Will I ever catch up?” If this sounds like you right now, you’re not alone. Summer, which usually moves at a slower pace, has been anything but a time to relax. Not to mention that we are still grappling with COVID on many levels.
Thankfully, this era has also brought new transparency to conversations about mental health, including avoiding burnout as well as taking depression seriously and without shame. You’re no good to anyone – family, loved ones, work – if you are completely drained or facing a medical issue like depression. It’s important – essential – to check in with yourself. Seek help and take some time to process, recharge, and rediscover what lights you up and brings joy to your days.
Start with this CBS This Morning interview where Laurie Santos, a Professor of Psychology at Yale University and host of “The Happiness Lab” podcast, talks about the importance of having fun.
How do you keep burnout at bay? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1569</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>116</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_114_1500px5zmza.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 113: Time-saving Tips</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 113: Time-saving Tips</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-113-time-saving-tips/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-113-time-saving-tips/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2021 10:42:55 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>“Work smarter, not harder” is one of our many mottos at Solo PR Pro. Part of that equation is to make the most of our time. In this episode, we talk about our favorite time-saving tips.</p>
<p>What are your go-to time-saving tips? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Work smarter, not harder” is one of our many mottos at Solo PR Pro. Part of that equation is to make the most of our time. In this episode, we talk about our favorite time-saving tips.</p>
<p>What are your go-to time-saving tips? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/p79wpv/That_Solo_Life_Time-saving_Tips_Ep_1138st9q.mp3" length="23156426" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[“Work smarter, not harder” is one of our many mottos at Solo PR Pro. Part of that equation is to make the most of our time. In this episode, we talk about our favorite time-saving tips.
What are your go-to time-saving tips? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1444</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>115</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_113_1500px9h9eg.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 112: Soloing Together</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 112: Soloing Together</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-112-soloing-together/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-112-soloing-together/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Aug 2021 06:27:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/7733f5a0-3891-321b-ae39-2436e4fba871</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>There’s power in numbers, even to those of us with solo PR and marketing practices. Finding ways to partner with other solos is a terrific way to grow your business. In this episode, we talk about the benefits of working this way and how to start making it happen.</p>
<p>Have you partnered with fellow solos on client work? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s power in numbers, even to those of us with solo PR and marketing practices. Finding ways to partner with other solos is a terrific way to grow your business. In this episode, we talk about the benefits of working this way and how to start making it happen.</p>
<p>Have you partnered with fellow solos on client work? Share your experience with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/gu74v5/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Soloing_Together_Ep1128qlyf.mp3" length="27072991" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[There’s power in numbers, even to those of us with solo PR and marketing practices. Finding ways to partner with other solos is a terrific way to grow your business. In this episode, we talk about the benefits of working this way and how to start making it happen.
Have you partnered with fellow solos on client work? Share your experience with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1689</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>114</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_112_1500px99tk5.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 111: Steak, Sizzle, and Service</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 111: Steak, Sizzle, and Service</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-111-steak-sizzle-and-service/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-111-steak-sizzle-and-service/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2021 06:37:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>What makes your customer service sizzle? In today’s episode we discuss how you can bring even more value to client engagements with great customer service.</p>
<p>How do you make sure your clients feel completely covered? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What makes your customer service sizzle? In today’s episode we discuss how you can bring even more value to client engagements with great customer service.</p>
<p>How do you make sure your clients feel completely covered? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[What makes your customer service sizzle? In today’s episode we discuss how you can bring even more value to client engagements with great customer service.
How do you make sure your clients feel completely covered? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1151</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>113</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_111_1500px9bz5a.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 110: The Survey Says...</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 110: The Survey Says...</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-110-the-survey-says/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-110-the-survey-says/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:41:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We know the value of checking in with fellow practitioners about trends and developments in the PR and marketing field. This is especially true for solos. So, this week we are diving into the <a href='https://www.slideshare.net/frank_strong/2021-strategic-communications-survey-final'>2021 annual JOTW Strategic Communications Survey</a>. Created by Ned’s Job of the Week (JOTW) newsletter and Sword and the Script Media, the survey compiles responses from 300 communicators, with commentary on the results from a panel of professionals, including our own Karen Swim.</p>
<p>How do these trends line up with your experience this past year? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know the value of checking in with fellow practitioners about trends and developments in the PR and marketing field. This is especially true for solos. So, this week we are diving into the <a href='https://www.slideshare.net/frank_strong/2021-strategic-communications-survey-final'>2021 annual JOTW Strategic Communications Survey</a>. Created by Ned’s Job of the Week (JOTW) newsletter and Sword and the Script Media, the survey compiles responses from 300 communicators, with commentary on the results from a panel of professionals, including our own Karen Swim.</p>
<p>How do these trends line up with your experience this past year? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/vkz9b5/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Survey_Says_Ep1107apdx.mp3" length="29466097" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We know the value of checking in with fellow practitioners about trends and developments in the PR and marketing field. This is especially true for solos. So, this week we are diving into the 2021 annual JOTW Strategic Communications Survey. Created by Ned’s Job of the Week (JOTW) newsletter and Sword and the Script Media, the survey compiles responses from 300 communicators, with commentary on the results from a panel of professionals, including our own Karen Swim.
How do these trends line up with your experience this past year? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1839</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>112</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_110_1500px98eqk.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 109: Good Clients. Bad Behavior.</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 109: Good Clients. Bad Behavior.</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-109-good-clients-bad-behavior/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-109-good-clients-bad-behavior/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Jul 2021 06:25:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode we talk about those client relationships that maybe aren’t going so well. Whether the client is new to you or new to the notion of working with a solo or micro agency, the relationship can usually be improved with setting expectations and clear communication.</p>
<p>Have you had this experience with clients? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode we talk about those client relationships that maybe aren’t going so well. Whether the client is new to you or new to the notion of working with a solo or micro agency, the relationship can usually be improved with setting expectations and clear communication.</p>
<p>Have you had this experience with clients? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode we talk about those client relationships that maybe aren’t going so well. Whether the client is new to you or new to the notion of working with a solo or micro agency, the relationship can usually be improved with setting expectations and clear communication.
Have you had this experience with clients? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1288</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>111</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 108: Mind(set) Over Matter</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 108: Mind(set) Over Matter</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-108-mindset-over-matter/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-108-mindset-over-matter/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 06:34:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As solos, we spend a lot of time with the thoughts in our heads. It’s important to make sure what we’re thinking about, and how we are thinking, is productive, positive, and sustaining. It’s a key component to our success. No one knows that better than our guest today, Tracey Piechocki.</p>
<p>Tracey Piechocki is the marketing strategist and second-generation owner of <a href='https://illustrateddesigns.net/'>Illustrated Designs</a>, a certified woman-owned small business. With over 25 years of experience in design, marketing, events, and strategy, she and her team of graphic designers, content writers, fabricators, and marketing & event specialists serve a wide range of clients. None of which would be possible – especially as we’ve been navigating a pandemic – without a healthy mindset. Tracey recently gave a talk on the topic as part of a recent program on Resilience (<a href='https://youtu.be/5g4J9W8omMc?t=1857'>which you can view here</a>). We're excited for her to share her wisdom and insight as a business owner and communications pro.</p>
<p>Are you aware of your mindset? How do you maintain clarity and purpose in your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As solos, we spend a lot of time with the thoughts in our heads. It’s important to make sure what we’re thinking about, and how we are thinking, is productive, positive, and sustaining. It’s a key component to our success. No one knows that better than our guest today, Tracey Piechocki.</p>
<p>Tracey Piechocki is the marketing strategist and second-generation owner of <a href='https://illustrateddesigns.net/'>Illustrated Designs</a>, a certified woman-owned small business. With over 25 years of experience in design, marketing, events, and strategy, she and her team of graphic designers, content writers, fabricators, and marketing & event specialists serve a wide range of clients. None of which would be possible – especially as we’ve been navigating a pandemic – without a healthy mindset. Tracey recently gave a talk on the topic as part of a recent program on Resilience (<a href='https://youtu.be/5g4J9W8omMc?t=1857'>which you can view here</a>). We're excited for her to share her wisdom and insight as a business owner and communications pro.</p>
<p>Are you aware of your mindset? How do you maintain clarity and purpose in your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/ka8cfa/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Mind_set_Over_Matter_Ep_108awmyj.mp3" length="30077542" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As solos, we spend a lot of time with the thoughts in our heads. It’s important to make sure what we’re thinking about, and how we are thinking, is productive, positive, and sustaining. It’s a key component to our success. No one knows that better than our guest today, Tracey Piechocki.
Tracey Piechocki is the marketing strategist and second-generation owner of Illustrated Designs, a certified woman-owned small business. With over 25 years of experience in design, marketing, events, and strategy, she and her team of graphic designers, content writers, fabricators, and marketing & event specialists serve a wide range of clients. None of which would be possible – especially as we’ve been navigating a pandemic – without a healthy mindset. Tracey recently gave a talk on the topic as part of a recent program on Resilience (which you can view here). We're excited for her to share her wisdom and insight as a business owner and communications pro.
Are you aware of your mindset? How do you maintain clarity and purpose in your work? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1878</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>110</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_108bd8q2.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 107: Free Yourself from the Grind</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 107: Free Yourself from the Grind</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-107-free-yourself-from-the-grind/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-107-free-yourself-from-the-grind/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2021 06:28:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Since this episode hits around Independence Day here in the U.S., we wanted to remind you of the freedom you have as a solo. Working as a solo gives you the opportunity to do the work you love and create the life that is right for you. To truly enjoy this freedom means we need to take the time to set up some structure and systems.</p>
<p>How do you create freedom in your business? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since this episode hits around Independence Day here in the U.S., we wanted to remind you of the freedom you have as a solo. Working as a solo gives you the opportunity to do the work you love and create the life that is right for you. To truly enjoy this freedom means we need to take the time to set up some structure and systems.</p>
<p>How do you create freedom in your business? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/hwqazf/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Free_Yourself_from_the_Grind__Ep_1078byqd.mp3" length="28121496" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Since this episode hits around Independence Day here in the U.S., we wanted to remind you of the freedom you have as a solo. Working as a solo gives you the opportunity to do the work you love and create the life that is right for you. To truly enjoy this freedom means we need to take the time to set up some structure and systems.
How do you create freedom in your business? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1756</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>109</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_107_1500px89vwb.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 106: The Lies They Tell and Other Current PR Topics</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 106: The Lies They Tell and Other Current PR Topics</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-106-the-lies-they-tell-and-other-current-pr-topics/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-106-the-lies-they-tell-and-other-current-pr-topics/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 06:35:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’re here with the latest in PR hot topics. From a certain company deciding it’s ok to invent a fake spokesperson to athletes looking out for their mental health and deciding to say “no” to press conferences, we talk about what it all means for our industry and us as solo practitioners.</p>
<p>Give it a listen and tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’re here with the latest in PR hot topics. From a certain company deciding it’s ok to invent a fake spokesperson to athletes looking out for their mental health and deciding to say “no” to press conferences, we talk about what it all means for our industry and us as solo practitioners.</p>
<p>Give it a listen and tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/86xhcu/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_The_Lies_they_Tell_and_other_Current_PR_Topics_Ep106au3x3.mp3" length="24777184" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’re here with the latest in PR hot topics. From a certain company deciding it’s ok to invent a fake spokesperson to athletes looking out for their mental health and deciding to say “no” to press conferences, we talk about what it all means for our industry and us as solo practitioners.
Give it a listen and tell us what you think at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1547</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>108</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_106_1500pxb0md8.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 105: Those Who Know, Teach</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 105: Those Who Know, Teach</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-105-those-who-know-teach/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-105-those-who-know-teach/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2021 06:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We are here to debunk that old phrase, “Those who can’t do, teach.” Our guest, Kelly Davis, MMC, APR, Fellow PRSA is proof that those who know, teach.</p>
<p>Kelly is a public relations instructor and the head of the public relations sequence in the University of South Carolina School of Journalism and Mass Communications. Before that, she spent more than twenty years in public relations, where she developed expertise in strategic communications planning, brand development, issues management and grassroots advocacy. Her professional experience includes positions in the corporate, government, nonprofit and agency sectors. She is also a solo at heart, having owned one of South Carolina’s most decorated independent public relations agencies, Davis Public Relations and Marketing, for more than a decade. In 2020, Kelly was inducted into the prestigious PRSA College of Fellows.</p>
<p>We are so happy that she is joining us today for a conversation about her career path and the future of PR.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your feedback. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are here to debunk that old phrase, “Those who can’t do, teach.” Our guest, Kelly Davis, MMC, APR, Fellow PRSA is proof that those who<em> know, </em>teach.</p>
<p>Kelly is a public relations instructor and the head of the public relations sequence in the University of South Carolina School of Journalism and Mass Communications. Before that, she spent more than twenty years in public relations, where she developed expertise in strategic communications planning, brand development, issues management and grassroots advocacy. Her professional experience includes positions in the corporate, government, nonprofit and agency sectors. She is also a solo at heart, having owned one of South Carolina’s most decorated independent public relations agencies, Davis Public Relations and Marketing, for more than a decade. In 2020, Kelly was inducted into the prestigious PRSA College of Fellows.</p>
<p>We are so happy that she is joining us today for a conversation about her career path and the future of PR.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your feedback. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/fxf52p/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Those_Who_Know_Teach_Ep1055z5aa.mp3" length="33374495" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are here to debunk that old phrase, “Those who can’t do, teach.” Our guest, Kelly Davis, MMC, APR, Fellow PRSA is proof that those who know, teach.
Kelly is a public relations instructor and the head of the public relations sequence in the University of South Carolina School of Journalism and Mass Communications. Before that, she spent more than twenty years in public relations, where she developed expertise in strategic communications planning, brand development, issues management and grassroots advocacy. Her professional experience includes positions in the corporate, government, nonprofit and agency sectors. She is also a solo at heart, having owned one of South Carolina’s most decorated independent public relations agencies, Davis Public Relations and Marketing, for more than a decade. In 2020, Kelly was inducted into the prestigious PRSA College of Fellows.
We are so happy that she is joining us today for a conversation about her career path and the future of PR.
We’d love to hear your feedback. Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2084</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>107</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_1056pt8k.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 104: Once Upon A Time</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 104: Once Upon A Time</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-104-once-upon-a-time/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-104-once-upon-a-time/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:16:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We are all storytellers. Everyone has a story. Story draws us in, creates connection, and change. We are thrilled to have one of the best storytellers we know with us for this episode, Lisa Gerber of <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/'>Big Leap Creative</a>. Lisa is a fellow “solo,” a story strategist, and communications expert who also has a podcast called, <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/category/breaking-trail-podcast/'>Breaking Trail</a>. Lisa works with purpose-driven leaders who want to make the world a better place, helping them articulate their ideas and get others on board. She knows story is the catalyst for change and we’re so glad she’s here today to talk about this topic.</p>
<p>How does story impact your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are all storytellers. Everyone has a story. Story draws us in, creates connection, and change. We are thrilled to have one of the best storytellers we know with us for this episode, Lisa Gerber of <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/'>Big Leap Creative</a>. Lisa is a fellow “solo,” a story strategist, and communications expert who also has a podcast called, <a href='https://bigleapcreative.com/category/breaking-trail-podcast/'>Breaking Trail</a>. Lisa works with purpose-driven leaders who want to make the world a better place, helping them articulate their ideas and get others on board. She knows story is the catalyst for change and we’re so glad she’s here today to talk about this topic.</p>
<p>How does story impact your work? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/8bn228/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Once_Upon_a_Time_Ep_104a9ixl.mp3" length="35157350" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are all storytellers. Everyone has a story. Story draws us in, creates connection, and change. We are thrilled to have one of the best storytellers we know with us for this episode, Lisa Gerber of Big Leap Creative. Lisa is a fellow “solo,” a story strategist, and communications expert who also has a podcast called, Breaking Trail. Lisa works with purpose-driven leaders who want to make the world a better place, helping them articulate their ideas and get others on board. She knows story is the catalyst for change and we’re so glad she’s here today to talk about this topic.
How does story impact your work? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2196</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>106</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_104bi0a1.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 103: Summer Time</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 103: Summer Time</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-103-summer-time/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-103-summer-time/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Jun 2021 06:49:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>With Memorial Day comes the unofficial start to summer. (<a href='https://youtu.be/Kr0tTbTbmVA'>Cue DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince.</a>)</p>
<p>Life shifts to a different pace, even for us solos. It’s the perfect season to revisit how we’re spending our time and energy. Where can we realign? Where can we delegate? In what ways can we balance our work and play so that we are energized and fulfilled? Living through the past 15 months of a global pandemic, what change do we want to keep and where do we want to improve? Use this summer as an opportunity.</p>
<p>What are you looking forward to working on this summer? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Memorial Day comes the unofficial start to summer. (<a href='https://youtu.be/Kr0tTbTbmVA'>Cue DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince.</a>)</p>
<p>Life shifts to a different pace, even for us solos. It’s the perfect season to revisit how we’re spending our time and energy. Where can we realign? Where can we delegate? In what ways can we balance our work and play so that we are energized and fulfilled? Living through the past 15 months of a global pandemic, what change do we want to keep and where do we want to improve? Use this summer as an opportunity.</p>
<p>What are you looking forward to working on this summer? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[With Memorial Day comes the unofficial start to summer. (Cue DJ Jazzy Jeff and The Fresh Prince.)
Life shifts to a different pace, even for us solos. It’s the perfect season to revisit how we’re spending our time and energy. Where can we realign? Where can we delegate? In what ways can we balance our work and play so that we are energized and fulfilled? Living through the past 15 months of a global pandemic, what change do we want to keep and where do we want to improve? Use this summer as an opportunity.
What are you looking forward to working on this summer? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1456</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>105</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 102: Here After</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 102: Here After</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-102-here-after/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-102-here-after/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 31 May 2021 06:57:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We solos are planners. But how many of us have made known our end of life wishes? Have we shared with a trusted loved one where our passwords are located or our plans for our businesses should we become incapacitated? These tasks can be daunting. We may not even want to address them. Thankfully, there are people like Leslie Jennings Rowley, or as we like to call her, “The Death Lady!” Leslie formed <a href='https://hereafterpartners.org/'>Hereafter Partners</a> in 2019 as an umbrella for a variety of conversations, events, programs, curated resources, and ideas around making the end of life process less worrisome and conversations about death, dying, and aging more normalized in today’s society. We are so happy she is joining us in this episode.</p>
<p>Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a> if listening to Leslie has inspired you to begin making your plans?</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We solos are planners. But how many of us have made known our end of life wishes? Have we shared with a trusted loved one where our passwords are located or our plans for our businesses should we become incapacitated? These tasks can be daunting. We may not even want to address them. Thankfully, there are people like Leslie Jennings Rowley, or as we like to call her, “The Death Lady!” Leslie formed <a href='https://hereafterpartners.org/'>Hereafter Partners</a> in 2019 as an umbrella for a variety of conversations, events, programs, curated resources, and ideas around making the end of life process less worrisome and conversations about death, dying, and aging more normalized in today’s society. We are so happy she is joining us in this episode.</p>
<p>Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a> if listening to Leslie has inspired you to begin making your plans?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We solos are planners. But how many of us have made known our end of life wishes? Have we shared with a trusted loved one where our passwords are located or our plans for our businesses should we become incapacitated? These tasks can be daunting. We may not even want to address them. Thankfully, there are people like Leslie Jennings Rowley, or as we like to call her, “The Death Lady!” Leslie formed Hereafter Partners in 2019 as an umbrella for a variety of conversations, events, programs, curated resources, and ideas around making the end of life process less worrisome and conversations about death, dying, and aging more normalized in today’s society. We are so happy she is joining us in this episode.
Tell us at www.soloprpro.com if listening to Leslie has inspired you to begin making your plans?]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2017</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>104</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 101: Cool in a Crisis</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 101: Cool in a Crisis</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-101-cool-in-a-crisis/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-101-cool-in-a-crisis/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 24 May 2021 06:09:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/67cdaab3-0c39-3d65-b482-5805eadbcae1</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As communications pros, we’re used to preparing our clients for a crisis. But what about us? How can we be prepared to lead? Join us as we discuss this and how providing ongoing strategic guidance can grow your business.</p>
<p>How have you used strategic communication to grow your business? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As communications pros, we’re used to preparing our clients for a crisis. But what about us? How can we be prepared to lead? Join us as we discuss this and how providing ongoing strategic guidance can grow your business.</p>
<p>How have you used strategic communication to grow your business? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As communications pros, we’re used to preparing our clients for a crisis. But what about us? How can we be prepared to lead? Join us as we discuss this and how providing ongoing strategic guidance can grow your business.
How have you used strategic communication to grow your business? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:duration>1711</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>103</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>That Solo Life Celebrates 100 Episodes</title>
        <itunes:title>That Solo Life Celebrates 100 Episodes</itunes:title>
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                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/that-solo-life-celebrates-100-episodes/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 17 May 2021 05:57:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’re celebrating our 100th episode by revisiting our top 10 most downloaded episodes from the past year. We are so grateful for the guests who have joined us and for you who take the time from your busy day to listen. We continue to work on bringing valuable content to you.</p>
<p>And now, on to the Top 10:</p>
<ol start="10"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-86-wikipedia-for-business-in-2021-with-josh-greene/'>#86: Wikipedia for Business in 2021 with Josh Greene</a> 2/8/21</li>
</ol><p>Who knows that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? Josh Greene of The Mather Group knows and now so do you.</p>
<p>Josh is the author of Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business and the recently-released <a href='https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VGWSTWR/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1'>Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed</a>.</p>
<ol start="9"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-81-are-you-ready-to-propose/'>#81: Are You Ready to Propose?</a> 1/4/21</li>
</ol><p>No, it’s not about The Bachelor. This episode covers what to include in a new business proposal or RFP reply.</p>
<ol start="8"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-89-too-many-words/'>#89: Too Many Words</a> 3/1/21</li>
</ol><p>We PR pros love our words. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves not to overdo it. Like Coco Chanel’s policy with accessories, check your writing to see if you can remove a few words and make your point more effectively.</p>
<ol start="7"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-77-pr-lessons-from-the-fraud-street-run-with-jeff-lyons/'>#77: PR Lessons from The Fraud Street Run with Jeff Lyons</a> 12/7/20</li>
</ol><p>Who says PR can’t be fun? We had a great time talking with Jeff Lyons, co-host of the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/'>Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff</a>, a running podcast, about the charity run inspired by that event that time at that landscaping place, not the hotel.</p>
<p> </p>
<ol start="6"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-84-client-prospecting-by-building-relationships/'>#84: Client Prospecting by Building Relationships</a> 1/25/21</li>
</ol><p>We say this all the time -- build relationships. Meet new people, ask for the introduction. Introduce yourself! The seed you plant today may never see the sun or it might one day be your mightiest asset.</p>
<ol start="5"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-71-pr-is-not-a-popularity-contest/'>#71 PR is Not a Popularity Contest</a> 10/26/20</li>
</ol><p>This episode was inspired by the TikTok from Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray - leading brands across the country to ask us: “That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?” But we know that PR, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.</p>
<ol start="4"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-88-winfluence-with-jason-falls/'>#88: Winfluence with Jason Falls</a> 2/22/21</li>
</ol><p>Jason is an amazing digital strategist who joined us to discuss his third book - <a href='https://jasonfalls.com/influencer-marketing/'>Winfluence</a> - taking a look at the world of influencer marketing and how to be smart about it.</p>
<ol start="3"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-83-now-what-business-development-in-2021-with-chip-griffin-of-the-small-agency-growth-alliance/'>#83: Now What? Business Development in 2021 with Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance</a> 1/18/21</li>
</ol><p>We refused to allow 2021 be 2020 two-point-oh. Our friend Chip Griffin, who has successfully coached many agencies and solos on how to build their path to success through his <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a>, joined us to talk about preparing for change and creating a sustainable business.</p>
<ol start="2"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-87-just-get-started-with-kami-watson-huyse/'>#87: Just Get Started with Kami Huyse</a> 2/15/21</li>
</ol><p>Who says there are no guarantees in life? We promise, spend time with fellow solo Kami Huyse and you will come away inspired. In this episode, she tells us to not let perfection stop us from getting started. Make sure you sign up for her <a href='https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/'>Smart Social Secrets newsletter</a>.</p>
<ol><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-52-ppp-loans-the-solo-pr-pro-with-brent-thompson-of-canon-capital-management-group/'>#52: PPP Loans & The Solo PR Pro with Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group</a> 6/6/20</li>
</ol><p>Brent Thompson is a CPA who guided us through the early stages of PPP loans and other life preserver funding opportunities. You can find more information about PPP loans and more at his company website, <a href='http://www.canoncapital.com'>www.canoncapital.com</a>.</p>
<p>Do you have a favorite That Solo Life episode? Is there a topic you’d like us to cover? Let us know at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’re celebrating our 100th episode by revisiting our top 10 most downloaded episodes from the past year. We are so grateful for the guests who have joined us and for you who take the time from your busy day to listen. We continue to work on bringing valuable content to you.</p>
<p>And now, on to the Top 10:</p>
<ol start="10"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-86-wikipedia-for-business-in-2021-with-josh-greene/'>#86: Wikipedia for Business in 2021 with Josh Greene</a> 2/8/21</li>
</ol><p>Who knows that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? Josh Greene of The Mather Group knows and now so do you.</p>
<p>Josh is the author of Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business and the recently-released <a href='https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08VGWSTWR/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1'>Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed</a>.</p>
<ol start="9"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-81-are-you-ready-to-propose/'>#81: Are You Ready to Propose?</a> 1/4/21</li>
</ol><p>No, it’s not about The Bachelor. This episode covers what to include in a new business proposal or RFP reply.</p>
<ol start="8"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-89-too-many-words/'>#89: Too Many Words</a> 3/1/21</li>
</ol><p>We PR pros love our words. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves not to overdo it. Like Coco Chanel’s policy with accessories, check your writing to see if you can remove a few words and make your point more effectively.</p>
<ol start="7"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-77-pr-lessons-from-the-fraud-street-run-with-jeff-lyons/'>#77: PR Lessons from The Fraud Street Run with Jeff Lyons</a> 12/7/20</li>
</ol><p>Who says PR can’t be fun? We had a great time talking with Jeff Lyons, co-host of the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/'>Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff</a>, a running podcast, about the charity run inspired by that event that time at that landscaping place, not the hotel.</p>
<p> </p>
<ol start="6"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-84-client-prospecting-by-building-relationships/'>#84: Client Prospecting by Building Relationships</a> 1/25/21</li>
</ol><p>We say this all the time -- build relationships. Meet new people, ask for the introduction. Introduce yourself! The seed you plant today may never see the sun or it might one day be your mightiest asset.</p>
<ol start="5"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-71-pr-is-not-a-popularity-contest/'>#71 PR is Not a Popularity Contest</a> 10/26/20</li>
</ol><p>This episode was inspired by the TikTok from Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray - leading brands across the country to ask us: “That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?” But we know that PR, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.</p>
<ol start="4"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-88-winfluence-with-jason-falls/'>#88: Winfluence with Jason Falls</a> 2/22/21</li>
</ol><p>Jason is an amazing digital strategist who joined us to discuss his third book - <a href='https://jasonfalls.com/influencer-marketing/'>Winfluence</a> - taking a look at the world of influencer marketing and how to be smart about it.</p>
<ol start="3"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-83-now-what-business-development-in-2021-with-chip-griffin-of-the-small-agency-growth-alliance/'>#83: Now What? Business Development in 2021 with Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance</a> 1/18/21</li>
</ol><p>We refused to allow 2021 be 2020 two-point-oh. Our friend Chip Griffin, who has successfully coached many agencies and solos on how to build their path to success through his <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a>, joined us to talk about preparing for change and creating a sustainable business.</p>
<ol start="2"><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-87-just-get-started-with-kami-watson-huyse/'>#87: Just Get Started with Kami Huyse</a> 2/15/21</li>
</ol><p>Who says there are no guarantees in life? We promise, spend time with fellow solo Kami Huyse and you will come away inspired. In this episode, she tells us to not let perfection stop us from getting started. Make sure you sign up for her <a href='https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/'>Smart Social Secrets newsletter</a>.</p>
<ol><li><a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-52-ppp-loans-the-solo-pr-pro-with-brent-thompson-of-canon-capital-management-group/'>#52: PPP Loans & The Solo PR Pro with Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group</a> 6/6/20</li>
</ol><p>Brent Thompson is a CPA who guided us through the early stages of PPP loans and other life preserver funding opportunities. You can find more information about PPP loans and more at his company website, <a href='http://www.canoncapital.com'>www.canoncapital.com</a>.</p>
<p>Do you have a favorite That Solo Life episode? Is there a topic you’d like us to cover? Let us know at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’re celebrating our 100th episode by revisiting our top 10 most downloaded episodes from the past year. We are so grateful for the guests who have joined us and for you who take the time from your busy day to listen. We continue to work on bringing valuable content to you.
And now, on to the Top 10:
#86: Wikipedia for Business in 2021 with Josh Greene 2/8/21
Who knows that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? Josh Greene of The Mather Group knows and now so do you.
Josh is the author of Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business and the recently-released Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed.
#81: Are You Ready to Propose? 1/4/21
No, it’s not about The Bachelor. This episode covers what to include in a new business proposal or RFP reply.
#89: Too Many Words 3/1/21
We PR pros love our words. Sometimes we need to remind ourselves not to overdo it. Like Coco Chanel’s policy with accessories, check your writing to see if you can remove a few words and make your point more effectively.
#77: PR Lessons from The Fraud Street Run with Jeff Lyons 12/7/20
Who says PR can’t be fun? We had a great time talking with Jeff Lyons, co-host of the Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff, a running podcast, about the charity run inspired by that event that time at that landscaping place, not the hotel.
 
#84: Client Prospecting by Building Relationships 1/25/21
We say this all the time -- build relationships. Meet new people, ask for the introduction. Introduce yourself! The seed you plant today may never see the sun or it might one day be your mightiest asset.
#71 PR is Not a Popularity Contest 10/26/20
This episode was inspired by the TikTok from Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray - leading brands across the country to ask us: “That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?” But we know that PR, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.
#88: Winfluence with Jason Falls 2/22/21
Jason is an amazing digital strategist who joined us to discuss his third book - Winfluence - taking a look at the world of influencer marketing and how to be smart about it.
#83: Now What? Business Development in 2021 with Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance 1/18/21
We refused to allow 2021 be 2020 two-point-oh. Our friend Chip Griffin, who has successfully coached many agencies and solos on how to build their path to success through his Small Agency Growth Alliance, joined us to talk about preparing for change and creating a sustainable business.
#87: Just Get Started with Kami Huyse 2/15/21
Who says there are no guarantees in life? We promise, spend time with fellow solo Kami Huyse and you will come away inspired. In this episode, she tells us to not let perfection stop us from getting started. Make sure you sign up for her Smart Social Secrets newsletter.
#52: PPP Loans & The Solo PR Pro with Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group 6/6/20
Brent Thompson is a CPA who guided us through the early stages of PPP loans and other life preserver funding opportunities. You can find more information about PPP loans and more at his company website, www.canoncapital.com.
Do you have a favorite That Solo Life episode? Is there a topic you’d like us to cover? Let us know at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1813</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>102</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 99: Partner to Grow</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 99: Partner to Grow</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-99-partner-to-grow/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-99-partner-to-grow/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2021 06:34:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by a recent blog post on Solo PR Pro by fellow solo, Maren Minchew: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/partnering-with-an-agency/'>What Are Agency Partnerships? Why It May Be Smart as a Solo PR Pro to Work With an Agency</a>. Partnering with agencies is a terrific way to strengthen your network and grow your business. Join us as we talk about the benefits and how to get started.</p>
<p>Have you partnered with agencies? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by a recent blog post on Solo PR Pro by fellow solo, Maren Minchew: <a href='https://soloprpro.com/partnering-with-an-agency/'>What Are Agency Partnerships? Why It May Be Smart as a Solo PR Pro to Work With an Agency</a>. Partnering with agencies is a terrific way to strengthen your network and grow your business. Join us as we talk about the benefits and how to get started.</p>
<p>Have you partnered with agencies? Tell us about it at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/p3gnuc/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Partner_to_Grow_Ep_996yt7b.mp3" length="23826901" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode was inspired by a recent blog post on Solo PR Pro by fellow solo, Maren Minchew: What Are Agency Partnerships? Why It May Be Smart as a Solo PR Pro to Work With an Agency. Partnering with agencies is a terrific way to strengthen your network and grow your business. Join us as we talk about the benefits and how to get started.
Have you partnered with agencies? Tell us about it at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1488</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>101</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 98: RIP, Outsourced PR?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 98: RIP, Outsourced PR?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-98-rip-outsourced-pr/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-98-rip-outsourced-pr/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 06:16:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’ve seen them, the articles that cycle through, declaring the end of outsourced PR. Is it true? Not according to <a href='https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/80-of-small-businesses-plan-to-outsource-in-2021-citing-the-ability-to-save-time-grow-their-business-and-work-with-experts-301212311.html'>this article from PR Newswire</a>, stating that “80% of small businesses plan to outsource in 2021, citing the ability to save time, grow their business, and work with experts.” The pandemic has taught employers – or as we like to call them, future clients – that remote work is possible, effective, and profitable. Join our discussion and get excited about growing your business in 2021!</p>
<p>We’d love your feedback. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve seen them, the articles that cycle through, declaring the end of outsourced PR. Is it true? Not according to <a href='https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/80-of-small-businesses-plan-to-outsource-in-2021-citing-the-ability-to-save-time-grow-their-business-and-work-with-experts-301212311.html'>this article from PR Newswire</a>, stating that “80% of small businesses plan to outsource in 2021, citing the ability to save time, grow their business, and work with experts.” The pandemic has taught employers – or as we like to call them, future clients – that remote work is possible, effective, and profitable. Join our discussion and get excited about growing your business in 2021!</p>
<p>We’d love your feedback. Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’ve seen them, the articles that cycle through, declaring the end of outsourced PR. Is it true? Not according to this article from PR Newswire, stating that “80% of small businesses plan to outsource in 2021, citing the ability to save time, grow their business, and work with experts.” The pandemic has taught employers – or as we like to call them, future clients – that remote work is possible, effective, and profitable. Join our discussion and get excited about growing your business in 2021!
We’d love your feedback. Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1287</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>100</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 97: Read the Room</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 97: Read the Room</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-97-read-the-room/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-97-read-the-room/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2021 06:25:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>This past week, we all learned of the Guilty verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd. As with many major cultural events, brands and organizations began to weigh in via their social media channels.</p>
<p>When these things happen should brands and organizations say something? When is it performative posting and when is it appropriate and aligned with your organization’s messaging? Join us for a discussion and let us know what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>Resource: <a href='https://voices4everyone.prsa.org/'>PRSA’s Voices4Everyone</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This past week, we all learned of the Guilty verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd. As with many major cultural events, brands and organizations began to weigh in via their social media channels.</p>
<p>When these things happen should brands and organizations say something? When is it performative posting and when is it appropriate and aligned with your organization’s messaging? Join us for a discussion and let us know what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p>Resource: <a href='https://voices4everyone.prsa.org/'>PRSA’s Voices4Everyone</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This past week, we all learned of the Guilty verdict in the trial of Derek Chauvin for the murder of George Floyd. As with many major cultural events, brands and organizations began to weigh in via their social media channels.
When these things happen should brands and organizations say something? When is it performative posting and when is it appropriate and aligned with your organization’s messaging? Join us for a discussion and let us know what you think at www.soloprpro.com.
Resource: PRSA’s Voices4Everyone]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2124</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>99</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_97_1500px_inviyd.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 96: The Perfect Pitch</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 96: The Perfect Pitch</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-96-the-perfect-pitch/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-96-the-perfect-pitch/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2021 06:12:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Baseball season has returned! It’s great to see fans back in stands and those of us who follow the game know that having good pitching is the way to win games.  Needless to say, pitching in PR is also the key to success for our clients. Whether you’re new to PR or a seasoned pro, it’s beneficial to check in with ourselves and our pitching style.</p>
<p>Here’s a <a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2021/03/15/state-of-journalism-2021'>link</a> to the Muck Rack 2021 State of Journalism Report we mention in this episode.</p>
<p>What are your pitching tips? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Baseball season has returned! It’s great to see fans back in stands and those of us who follow the game know that having good pitching is the way to win games.  Needless to say, pitching in PR is also the key to success for our clients. Whether you’re new to PR or a seasoned pro, it’s beneficial to check in with ourselves and our pitching style.</p>
<p>Here’s a <a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2021/03/15/state-of-journalism-2021'>link</a> to the Muck Rack 2021 State of Journalism Report we mention in this episode.</p>
<p>What are your pitching tips? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Baseball season has returned! It’s great to see fans back in stands and those of us who follow the game know that having good pitching is the way to win games.  Needless to say, pitching in PR is also the key to success for our clients. Whether you’re new to PR or a seasoned pro, it’s beneficial to check in with ourselves and our pitching style.
Here’s a link to the Muck Rack 2021 State of Journalism Report we mention in this episode.
What are your pitching tips? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1210</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>98</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_96_1500px_w4z5c7.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 95: PR is Not War</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 95: PR is Not War</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-95-pr-is-not-war/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-95-pr-is-not-war/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2021 06:02:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As we were planning this week’s episode, we were nodding our heads in agreement with <a href='https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1379147350992580608?fbclid=IwAR14SNnrFYSpIZlcciYQadwG0J8nL9rVSHWbDvJ-kbJ7qgaTMiErRSbxniY'>Ed Zitron’s take</a> on a thread comparing working in PR to military combat. While working in PR has its stressful moments, it is certainly not the same as going to war. We PR pros are great at telling our clients’ stories. We need to do a better job at telling our story and sharing our value.</p>
<p>What do you think? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we were planning this week’s episode, we were nodding our heads in agreement with <a href='https://twitter.com/edzitron/status/1379147350992580608?fbclid=IwAR14SNnrFYSpIZlcciYQadwG0J8nL9rVSHWbDvJ-kbJ7qgaTMiErRSbxniY'>Ed Zitron’s take</a> on a thread comparing working in PR to military combat. While working in PR has its stressful moments, it is certainly not the same as going to war. We PR pros are great at telling our clients’ stories. We need to do a better job at telling <em>our</em> story and sharing our value.</p>
<p>What do you think? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As we were planning this week’s episode, we were nodding our heads in agreement with Ed Zitron’s take on a thread comparing working in PR to military combat. While working in PR has its stressful moments, it is certainly not the same as going to war. We PR pros are great at telling our clients’ stories. We need to do a better job at telling our story and sharing our value.
What do you think? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1267</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>97</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_95_1500px_6wi2ic.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 94: Social Media News</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 94: Social Media News</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-94-social-media-news/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-94-social-media-news/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Apr 2021 06:36:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we’re catching up on all things social media. Clubhouse, currently exclusive to iOS users, is going to soon have competition from Facebook and Instagram. Listen to find out the latest in the world of social media.</p>
<p>What is your favorite social media channel for PR? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we’re catching up on all things social media. Clubhouse, currently exclusive to iOS users, is going to soon have competition from Facebook and Instagram. Listen to find out the latest in the world of social media.</p>
<p>What is your favorite social media channel for PR? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today we’re catching up on all things social media. Clubhouse, currently exclusive to iOS users, is going to soon have competition from Facebook and Instagram. Listen to find out the latest in the world of social media.
What is your favorite social media channel for PR? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1435</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>96</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_94_1500px62foa.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 93: Spend to Scale: How Investing in Your Business Can Help You Grow</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 93: Spend to Scale: How Investing in Your Business Can Help You Grow</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-93-spend-to-scale-how-investing-in-your-business-can-help-you-grow/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-93-spend-to-scale-how-investing-in-your-business-can-help-you-grow/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2021 06:40:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/a643c826-7f58-30fd-8d09-d9ddb1a49f2a</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode we talk about spending wisely – our money and our time – to help our businesses grow. This can mean paying for advertising but it can also mean spending money on automation or outsourcing to free up our time to focus on business development.</p>
<p>What is one way you can seek to spend to scale? Let us know at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode we talk about spending wisely – our money and our time – to help our businesses grow. This can mean paying for advertising but it can also mean spending money on automation or outsourcing to free up our time to focus on business development.</p>
<p>What is one way you can seek to spend to scale? Let us know at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/hr9be3/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Spend_to_Scale_Ep9398jqx.mp3" length="25758865" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode we talk about spending wisely – our money and our time – to help our businesses grow. This can mean paying for advertising but it can also mean spending money on automation or outsourcing to free up our time to focus on business development.
What is one way you can seek to spend to scale? Let us know at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1609</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>95</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_93_1500pxay3cg.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 92: How to Get Lucky in Business</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 92: How to Get Lucky in Business</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-92-how-to-get-lucky-in-business/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-92-how-to-get-lucky-in-business/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Mar 2021 06:53:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Since we just celebrated St. Patrick’s Day, we decided to devote this episode to getting lucky in business. As the saying goes, “You make your own luck.” Solos should always be in business development mode. That could mean keeping a consistent online presence, attending events (online or in-person), joining committees, and any number of ways to position yourself.</p>
<p>What is your favorite way to seek new business? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we just celebrated St. Patrick’s Day, we decided to devote this episode to getting lucky in business. As the saying goes, “You make your own luck.” Solos should always be in business development mode. That could mean keeping a consistent online presence, attending events (online or in-person), joining committees, and any number of ways to position yourself.</p>
<p>What is your favorite way to seek new business? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Since we just celebrated St. Patrick’s Day, we decided to devote this episode to getting lucky in business. As the saying goes, “You make your own luck.” Solos should always be in business development mode. That could mean keeping a consistent online presence, attending events (online or in-person), joining committees, and any number of ways to position yourself.
What is your favorite way to seek new business? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1320</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>94</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_92_1500px7fkww.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 91: A Royal Mess</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 91: A Royal Mess</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-91-a-royal-mess/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-91-a-royal-mess/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2021 06:33:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/cf63c4b6-b71d-32f0-9a5c-508b0db5d9b8</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss the <a href='https://allfreelancewriting.com/pro-act/#what-is-the-pro-act'>PRO Act</a>, the federal version of California’s recent AB5 legislation. While there are many positive aspects to this bill, it holds serious implications for those of us working as independent contractors. Even if your solo business runs as a corporation, the <a href='https://allfreelancewriting.com/pro-act/'>ABC Test portion</a> of this legislation could have a negative effect on how you access opportunities and secure work.</p>
<p>Then, we dig in on “the” interview, Oprah’s exclusive with Harry and Meghan. Alongside the jaw-dropping moments were key takeaways for us comms pros.</p>
<p>And yes, we did go live on YouTube for this episode! We’re committed to trying new things and stretching our comfort zones. <a href='https://youtu.be/kb4rlnE1umA'>Watch here</a>.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you – please share your feedback with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we discuss the <a href='https://allfreelancewriting.com/pro-act/#what-is-the-pro-act'>PRO Act</a>, the federal version of California’s recent AB5 legislation. While there are many positive aspects to this bill, it holds serious implications for those of us working as independent contractors. Even if your solo business runs as a corporation, the <a href='https://allfreelancewriting.com/pro-act/'>ABC Test portion</a> of this legislation could have a negative effect on how you access opportunities and secure work.</p>
<p>Then, we dig in on “the” interview, Oprah’s exclusive with Harry and Meghan. Alongside the jaw-dropping moments were key takeaways for us comms pros.</p>
<p>And yes, we did go live on YouTube for this episode! We’re committed to trying new things and stretching our comfort zones. <a href='https://youtu.be/kb4rlnE1umA'>Watch here</a>.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you – please share your feedback with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/347mpu/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_ARoyalMess_Ep91.mp3" length="28127709" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, we discuss the PRO Act, the federal version of California’s recent AB5 legislation. While there are many positive aspects to this bill, it holds serious implications for those of us working as independent contractors. Even if your solo business runs as a corporation, the ABC Test portion of this legislation could have a negative effect on how you access opportunities and secure work.
Then, we dig in on “the” interview, Oprah’s exclusive with Harry and Meghan. Alongside the jaw-dropping moments were key takeaways for us comms pros.
And yes, we did go live on YouTube for this episode! We’re committed to trying new things and stretching our comfort zones. Watch here.
We want to hear from you – please share your feedback with us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1757</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>93</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_91_1500px6e8sg.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 90: Women's HERstory</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 90: Women's HERstory</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-90-womens-herstory/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-90-womens-herstory/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2021 06:37:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>March is Women’s History Month, so in today’s episode we have a conversation ranging from women in PR and the gender pay gap to diversity. Join us as we reflect on the progress we have made and discuss the work that still must be done.</p>
<p>Thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>March is Women’s History Month, so in today’s episode we have a conversation ranging from women in PR and the gender pay gap to diversity. Join us as we reflect on the progress we have made and discuss the work that still must be done.</p>
<p>Thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[March is Women’s History Month, so in today’s episode we have a conversation ranging from women in PR and the gender pay gap to diversity. Join us as we reflect on the progress we have made and discuss the work that still must be done.
Thoughts? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Episode 89: Too Many Words</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 89: Too Many Words</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-89-too-many-words/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-89-too-many-words/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Mar 2021 06:49:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Too many words. Do you ever catch yourself muttering this? Communication can easily lose its impact – and miss making the intended point – when the writer or speaker go on and on. It’s not that the information is incorrect but the impact of the message is diluted.</p>
<p>We’re all guilty of this from time to time. It often comes out of a desire to ensure a point is being made, or sometimes it’s out of insecurity. As communications professionals, especially as we pitch stories to journalists, we need to lead the way in making the most of our message with the economy of our words.</p>
<p>Thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many words. Do you ever catch yourself muttering this? Communication can easily lose its impact – and miss making the intended point – when the writer or speaker go on and on. It’s not that the information is incorrect but the impact of the message is diluted.</p>
<p>We’re all guilty of this from time to time. It often comes out of a desire to ensure a point is being made, or sometimes it’s out of insecurity. As communications professionals, especially as we pitch stories to journalists, we need to lead the way in making the most of our message with the economy of our words.</p>
<p>Thoughts? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Too many words. Do you ever catch yourself muttering this? Communication can easily lose its impact – and miss making the intended point – when the writer or speaker go on and on. It’s not that the information is incorrect but the impact of the message is diluted.
We’re all guilty of this from time to time. It often comes out of a desire to ensure a point is being made, or sometimes it’s out of insecurity. As communications professionals, especially as we pitch stories to journalists, we need to lead the way in making the most of our message with the economy of our words.
Thoughts? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>91</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 88: “Winfluence” with Jason Falls</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 88: “Winfluence” with Jason Falls</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-88-winfluence-with-jason-falls/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-88-winfluence-with-jason-falls/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2021 06:24:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p><a href='https://jasonfalls.com/'>Jason Falls</a> solves problems. Most of the time they have to do with digital marketing for Cornett, a full-service advertising agency based in Lexington, Ky., where he leads digital strategy and hosts two marketing podcasts (Digging Deeper and <a href='https://jasonfalls.com/influence-marketing-podcast/'>Winfluence</a>). His work has touched a number of major brands and has been recognized with several national and many regional awards including a 2020 Shorty Award for his influencer marketing work. He has worked with a number of the world’s most iconic brands including Buffalo Trace, Weller, 1792, Jim Beam and Maker’s Mark bourbons, GE Appliances, AT&T, Valvoline, Humana, Rawlings, Tempur-Pedic, Fireball Whisky, General Motors, and more. It should be noted that Jason also loves the kick-ass state of Kentucky, sports, and bourbon.</p>
<p>We are thrilled to have Jason join us today. It’s always an engaging – and fun – time! Today he’s here to speak with us about his third book, <a href='https://jasonfalls.com/get-winfluence/'>Winfluence: Reframing Influencer Marketing to Ignite Your Brand</a>, which releases February 23rd, 2021, from Entrepreneur Press. In Winfluence, Jason presents marketers with this challenge: ‘Do brands want instagrammers and YouTubers to post about them? Or do they want to influence an audience to try or buy their product? The term “influencer marketing” has become how we refer to the former. Winfluence is a strategic guide to help us more adequately define the latter. That is what smart marketers hope to accomplish.’</p>
<p>Challenge accepted, Jason.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! What are your main takeaways from this episode? Tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='https://jasonfalls.com/'>Jason Falls</a> solves problems. Most of the time they have to do with digital marketing for Cornett, a full-service advertising agency based in Lexington, Ky., where he leads digital strategy and hosts two marketing podcasts (<em>Digging Deeper</em> and <em><a href='https://jasonfalls.com/influence-marketing-podcast/'>Winfluence</a></em>). His work has touched a number of major brands and has been recognized with several national and many regional awards including a 2020 Shorty Award for his influencer marketing work. He has worked with a number of the world’s most iconic brands including Buffalo Trace, Weller, 1792, Jim Beam and Maker’s Mark bourbons, GE Appliances, AT&T, Valvoline, Humana, Rawlings, Tempur-Pedic, Fireball Whisky, General Motors, and more. It should be noted that Jason also loves the kick-ass state of Kentucky, sports, and bourbon.</p>
<p>We are thrilled to have Jason join us today. It’s always an engaging – and fun – time! Today he’s here to speak with us about his third book, <em><a href='https://jasonfalls.com/get-winfluence/'>Winfluence: Reframing Influencer Marketing to Ignite Your Brand</a></em>, which releases February 23rd, 2021, from Entrepreneur Press. In <em>Winfluence</em>, Jason presents marketers with this challenge: ‘Do brands want instagrammers and YouTubers to post about them? Or do they want to influence an audience to try or buy their product? The term “influencer marketing” has become how we refer to the former. <em>Winfluence</em> is a strategic guide to help us more adequately define the latter. That is what smart marketers hope to accomplish.’</p>
<p>Challenge accepted, Jason.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! What are your main takeaways from this episode? Tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Jason Falls solves problems. Most of the time they have to do with digital marketing for Cornett, a full-service advertising agency based in Lexington, Ky., where he leads digital strategy and hosts two marketing podcasts (Digging Deeper and Winfluence). His work has touched a number of major brands and has been recognized with several national and many regional awards including a 2020 Shorty Award for his influencer marketing work. He has worked with a number of the world’s most iconic brands including Buffalo Trace, Weller, 1792, Jim Beam and Maker’s Mark bourbons, GE Appliances, AT&T, Valvoline, Humana, Rawlings, Tempur-Pedic, Fireball Whisky, General Motors, and more. It should be noted that Jason also loves the kick-ass state of Kentucky, sports, and bourbon.
We are thrilled to have Jason join us today. It’s always an engaging – and fun – time! Today he’s here to speak with us about his third book, Winfluence: Reframing Influencer Marketing to Ignite Your Brand, which releases February 23rd, 2021, from Entrepreneur Press. In Winfluence, Jason presents marketers with this challenge: ‘Do brands want instagrammers and YouTubers to post about them? Or do they want to influence an audience to try or buy their product? The term “influencer marketing” has become how we refer to the former. Winfluence is a strategic guide to help us more adequately define the latter. That is what smart marketers hope to accomplish.’
Challenge accepted, Jason.
We want to hear from you! What are your main takeaways from this episode? Tell us what you think at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>90</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 87: "Just Get Started!" with Kami Watson Huyse</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 87: "Just Get Started!" with Kami Watson Huyse</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-87-just-get-started-with-kami-watson-huyse/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-87-just-get-started-with-kami-watson-huyse/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2021 06:15:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we welcome Kami Watson Huyse, APR to the That Solo Life podcast. Kami is the CEO and Founder of <a href='https://www.zoeticamedia.com/'>Zoetica Media</a>, a digital marketing and public relations agency connecting clients with communities that matter most to them and delivering measurable results. Kami is a PR veteran who speaks at social media events and conferences all over the country. Her work in social media has earned her two Society for New Communications Research Social Media awards and IABC's Gold Quill of Excellence Award.</p>
<p>Most recently, Kami launched Smart Social Secrets, a resource to help you keep up with all the latest updates in social media. Sign up here: <a href='https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/sparks'>https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/sparks</a></p>
<p>In today’s episode Kami shares how she grew her team and the value of taking that leap. She’s also full of inspiration on the importance of standing out as a solo.</p>
<p>Her challenge: “Just get started!” Don’t overthink it. Take the plan that you have and start. You’ll find that you will make changes as you go along anyway.</p>
<p>Kami sure got us fired up – we hope she has the same effect on you!</p>
<p>Tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we welcome Kami Watson Huyse, APR to the That Solo Life podcast. Kami is the CEO and Founder of <a href='https://www.zoeticamedia.com/'>Zoetica Media</a>, a digital marketing and public relations agency connecting clients with communities that matter most to them and delivering measurable results. Kami is a PR veteran who speaks at social media events and conferences all over the country. Her work in social media has earned her two Society for New Communications Research Social Media awards and IABC's Gold Quill of Excellence Award.</p>
<p>Most recently, Kami launched Smart Social Secrets, a resource to help you keep up with all the latest updates in social media. Sign up here: <a href='https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/sparks'>https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/sparks</a></p>
<p>In today’s episode Kami shares how she grew her team and the value of taking that leap. She’s also full of inspiration on the importance of standing out as a solo.</p>
<p>Her challenge: “Just get started!” Don’t overthink it. Take the plan that you have and start. You’ll find that you will make changes as you go along anyway.</p>
<p>Kami sure got us fired up – we hope she has the same effect on you!</p>
<p>Tell us what you think at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today we welcome Kami Watson Huyse, APR to the That Solo Life podcast. Kami is the CEO and Founder of Zoetica Media, a digital marketing and public relations agency connecting clients with communities that matter most to them and delivering measurable results. Kami is a PR veteran who speaks at social media events and conferences all over the country. Her work in social media has earned her two Society for New Communications Research Social Media awards and IABC's Gold Quill of Excellence Award.
Most recently, Kami launched Smart Social Secrets, a resource to help you keep up with all the latest updates in social media. Sign up here: https://www.smartsocialsecrets.com/sparks
In today’s episode Kami shares how she grew her team and the value of taking that leap. She’s also full of inspiration on the importance of standing out as a solo.
Her challenge: “Just get started!” Don’t overthink it. Take the plan that you have and start. You’ll find that you will make changes as you go along anyway.
Kami sure got us fired up – we hope she has the same effect on you!
Tell us what you think at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2698</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>89</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 86: Wikipedia for Business in 2021 with Josh Greene</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 86: Wikipedia for Business in 2021 with Josh Greene</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-86-wikipedia-for-business-in-2021-with-josh-greene/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-86-wikipedia-for-business-in-2021-with-josh-greene/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2021 06:13:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? We’ll learn about that and so much more in today’s episode, thanks to our guest, Josh Greene of <a href='https://themathergroupllc.com/'>The Mather Group</a>.</p>
<p>Josh is the author of <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Wikipedia-Business-Supercharge-your-business/dp/1697593119/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14LR99EE2FO2X&dchild=1&keywords=josh+greene+wikipedia&qid=1612549199&sprefix=josh+greene%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-2'>Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business</a> and the newly-released <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Wikipedia-Business-2021-Developments-Communicators/dp/B08T6JY9MC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=14LR99EE2FO2X&dchild=1&keywords=josh+greene+wikipedia&qid=1612549199&sprefix=josh+greene%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-1'>Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed.</a></p>
<p>He joins us to discuss all things Wikipedia and its value in our work as PR pros, from research to spotting trends as well as how to guide our clients through the Wikipedia process.</p>
<p><a href='https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/7442822219845488143?fbclid=IwAR0FUujQK2dKZJ8NPYghJF-68MuwiEX4BbyzbSXuRUtDuMuD8M6VkcGIRIQ'>Learn more from Josh by joining us February 9, 2021 at 1:00 p.m. eastern time for the What the Wikipedia! webinar.</a></p>
<p>How often do you use Wikipedia? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? We’ll learn about that and so much more in today’s episode, thanks to our guest, Josh Greene of <a href='https://themathergroupllc.com/'>The Mather Group</a>.</p>
<p>Josh is the author of <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Wikipedia-Business-Supercharge-your-business/dp/1697593119/ref=sr_1_2?crid=14LR99EE2FO2X&dchild=1&keywords=josh+greene+wikipedia&qid=1612549199&sprefix=josh+greene%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-2'>Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business</a> and the newly-released <a href='https://www.amazon.com/Wikipedia-Business-2021-Developments-Communicators/dp/B08T6JY9MC/ref=sr_1_1?crid=14LR99EE2FO2X&dchild=1&keywords=josh+greene+wikipedia&qid=1612549199&sprefix=josh+greene%2Caps%2C169&sr=8-1'>Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed.</a></p>
<p>He joins us to discuss all things Wikipedia and its value in our work as PR pros, from research to spotting trends as well as how to guide our clients through the Wikipedia process.</p>
<p><a href='https://register.gotowebinar.com/register/7442822219845488143?fbclid=IwAR0FUujQK2dKZJ8NPYghJF-68MuwiEX4BbyzbSXuRUtDuMuD8M6VkcGIRIQ'>Learn more from Josh by joining us February 9, 2021 at 1:00 p.m. eastern time for the What the Wikipedia! webinar.</a></p>
<p>How often do you use Wikipedia? Share with us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Did you know that Wikipedia is the second most visited website in the United States? We’ll learn about that and so much more in today’s episode, thanks to our guest, Josh Greene of The Mather Group.
Josh is the author of Wikipedia for Business: Supercharge Your Business and the newly-released Wikipedia for Business 2021: The Rules & Latest Developments that Businesses & Communicators Need to Know to Succeed.
He joins us to discuss all things Wikipedia and its value in our work as PR pros, from research to spotting trends as well as how to guide our clients through the Wikipedia process.
Learn more from Josh by joining us February 9, 2021 at 1:00 p.m. eastern time for the What the Wikipedia! webinar.
How often do you use Wikipedia? Share with us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1893</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>88</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode #85: Work-Life Fluidity</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode #85: Work-Life Fluidity</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-85-work-life-fluidity/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-85-work-life-fluidity/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2021 06:17:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>A recent Fast Company article, <a href='https://www.fastcompany.com/90596603/work-all-day-or-work-every-day-why-the-five-day-workweek-is-outdated'>Why Remote Work May Render the 5-day Workweek Obsolete</a>, inspired today’s topic on work-life fluidity.</p>
<p>Part of the appeal of working as a solo is the ability to create our own schedules. Of course, we remain available to our clients. But we also get to structure our workflow and our day-to-day in a way that works best for us, results in the best outcomes for our clients.</p>
<p>The pandemic is bringing much of corporate America around to this realization, that we can still bring value to the bottom line and not chain ourselves to our desks for eight consecutive hours a day.</p>
<p>This is a huge behavioral change that requires a significant mind shift but it is possible. Learning to master your productivity and your schedule and not putting life on hold for work but rather seeing it as a fluid rather than siloed way of living can work in your favor. Solos can set the tone, leading our clients into this new landscape.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent Fast Company article, <a href='https://www.fastcompany.com/90596603/work-all-day-or-work-every-day-why-the-five-day-workweek-is-outdated'>Why Remote Work May Render the 5-day Workweek Obsolete</a>, inspired today’s topic on work-life fluidity.</p>
<p>Part of the appeal of working as a solo is the ability to create our own schedules. Of course, we remain available to our clients. But we also get to structure our workflow and our day-to-day in a way that works best for us, results in the best outcomes for our clients.</p>
<p>The pandemic is bringing much of corporate America around to this realization, that we can still bring value to the bottom line and not chain ourselves to our desks for eight consecutive hours a day.</p>
<p>This is a huge behavioral change that requires a significant mind shift but it is possible. Learning to master your productivity and your schedule and not putting life on hold for work but rather seeing it as a fluid rather than siloed way of living can work in your favor. Solos can set the tone, leading our clients into this new landscape.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you. Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[A recent Fast Company article, Why Remote Work May Render the 5-day Workweek Obsolete, inspired today’s topic on work-life fluidity.
Part of the appeal of working as a solo is the ability to create our own schedules. Of course, we remain available to our clients. But we also get to structure our workflow and our day-to-day in a way that works best for us, results in the best outcomes for our clients.
The pandemic is bringing much of corporate America around to this realization, that we can still bring value to the bottom line and not chain ourselves to our desks for eight consecutive hours a day.
This is a huge behavioral change that requires a significant mind shift but it is possible. Learning to master your productivity and your schedule and not putting life on hold for work but rather seeing it as a fluid rather than siloed way of living can work in your favor. Solos can set the tone, leading our clients into this new landscape.
What do you think? We’d love to hear from you. Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>87</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 84: Client Prospecting by Building Relationships</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 84: Client Prospecting by Building Relationships</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-84-client-prospecting-by-building-relationships/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-84-client-prospecting-by-building-relationships/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2021 06:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>“If you have the opportunity to do amazing things in your life, bring someone with you.” Simon Sinek</p>
<p>We recorded this episode not long before the Inauguration of the 46th President of the United States and the first woman Vice President. So we’re keeping it short and sweet. One of the best ways to prospect for clients? Build relationships now so you are top of mind and an established trusted expert. A great way to do that is to use LinkedIn.</p>
<p>What are your tips for getting the most out of LinkedIn? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you have the opportunity to do amazing things in your life, bring someone with you.” Simon Sinek</p>
<p>We recorded this episode not long before the Inauguration of the 46th President of the United States and the first woman Vice President. So we’re keeping it short and sweet. One of the best ways to prospect for clients? Build relationships now so you are top of mind and an established trusted expert. A great way to do that is to use LinkedIn.</p>
<p>What are your tips for getting the most out of LinkedIn? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[“If you have the opportunity to do amazing things in your life, bring someone with you.” Simon Sinek
We recorded this episode not long before the Inauguration of the 46th President of the United States and the first woman Vice President. So we’re keeping it short and sweet. One of the best ways to prospect for clients? Build relationships now so you are top of mind and an established trusted expert. A great way to do that is to use LinkedIn.
What are your tips for getting the most out of LinkedIn? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>705</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>86</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode #83: Now What? Business Development in 2021 with Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode #83: Now What? Business Development in 2021 with Chip Griffin of the Small Agency Growth Alliance</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-83-now-what-business-development-in-2021-with-chip-griffin-of-the-small-agency-growth-alliance/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-83-now-what-business-development-in-2021-with-chip-griffin-of-the-small-agency-growth-alliance/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2021 06:50:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Here we are, in 2021 – now what? We are thrilled to be joined by Chip Griffin, founder and CEO of the <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a> (SAGA) who shares his wisdom on preparing for change and creating a sustainable business in 2021 and beyond.</p>
<p>What are your business goals for 2021? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here we are, in 2021 – now what? We are thrilled to be joined by Chip Griffin, founder and CEO of the <a href='https://www.smallagencygrowth.com/'>Small Agency Growth Alliance</a> (SAGA) who shares his wisdom on preparing for change and creating a sustainable business in 2021 and beyond.</p>
<p>What are your business goals for 2021? Tell us at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Here we are, in 2021 – now what? We are thrilled to be joined by Chip Griffin, founder and CEO of the Small Agency Growth Alliance (SAGA) who shares his wisdom on preparing for change and creating a sustainable business in 2021 and beyond.
What are your business goals for 2021? Tell us at www.soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1325</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>85</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_83_1500pxay704.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 82: 2021 is not “2020: The Sequel”</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 82: 2021 is not “2020: The Sequel”</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-82-2021-is-not-2020-the-sequel/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-82-2021-is-not-2020-the-sequel/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2021 06:03:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The arrival of the pandemic early in 2020 threw us into survival mode for most of the year. As the year progressed, we learned how to operate within this “now normal.” This episode is all about resetting your intentions for your business in 2021.</p>
<p>Be bold and don’t be afraid to figure out what works best for you and pursuing that path with consistency. Whether it’s business development or self-care, both are equally important to make sure you and your business thrive.</p>
<p>Keep us posted on your progress at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a> – let’s inspire each other!</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrival of the pandemic early in 2020 threw us into survival mode for most of the year. As the year progressed, we learned how to operate within this “now normal.” This episode is all about resetting your intentions for your business in 2021.</p>
<p>Be bold and don’t be afraid to figure out what works best for you and pursuing that path with consistency. Whether it’s business development or self-care, both are equally important to make sure you and your business thrive.</p>
<p>Keep us posted on your progress at <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>www.soloprpro.com</a> – let’s inspire each other!</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The arrival of the pandemic early in 2020 threw us into survival mode for most of the year. As the year progressed, we learned how to operate within this “now normal.” This episode is all about resetting your intentions for your business in 2021.
Be bold and don’t be afraid to figure out what works best for you and pursuing that path with consistency. Whether it’s business development or self-care, both are equally important to make sure you and your business thrive.
Keep us posted on your progress at www.soloprpro.com – let’s inspire each other!
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1091</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>84</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_82_1500px6bgo8.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 81: Are You Ready to Propose?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 81: Are You Ready to Propose?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-81-are-you-ready-to-propose/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-81-are-you-ready-to-propose/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 04 Jan 2021 06:47:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year!</p>
<p>So, are you ready to propose? No, we haven’t watched too many Hallmark Christmas movies or episodes of The Bachelorette. It's a new year and we’re talking proposals for new business. What should you include? How long should they be? When should you present your proposal? We talk about all that and more in today’s episode.</p>
<p>Share your proposal tips with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Happy New Year!</p>
<p>So, are you ready to propose? No, we haven’t watched too many Hallmark Christmas movies or episodes of The Bachelorette. It's a new year and we’re talking proposals for new business. What should you include? How long should they be? When should you present your proposal? We talk about all that and more in today’s episode.</p>
<p>Share your proposal tips with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Happy New Year!
So, are you ready to propose? No, we haven’t watched too many Hallmark Christmas movies or episodes of The Bachelorette. It's a new year and we’re talking proposals for new business. What should you include? How long should they be? When should you present your proposal? We talk about all that and more in today’s episode.
Share your proposal tips with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>998</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>83</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_81_1500px8133f.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 80: What's In Your Report?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 80: What's In Your Report?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-80-whats-in-your-report/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-80-whats-in-your-report/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2020 06:45:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Client reporting. Do you loathe it or love it? In today’s episode, we talk about how reporting can be a terrific client engagement tool, not just a list of “here’s what we did.”</p>
<p>How do you issue your client reports? Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Client reporting. Do you loathe it or love it? In today’s episode, we talk about how reporting can be a terrific client engagement tool, not just a list of “here’s what we did.”</p>
<p>How do you issue your client reports? Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Client reporting. Do you loathe it or love it? In today’s episode, we talk about how reporting can be a terrific client engagement tool, not just a list of “here’s what we did.”
How do you issue your client reports? Share with us at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1143</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>82</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_80_1500px8bsux.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 79: 2020 - Lessons Learned</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 79: 2020 - Lessons Learned</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-79-2020-lessons-learned/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-79-2020-lessons-learned/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2020 06:56:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’re in the holiday zone, those last two weeks of the year where you’re wrapping up loose ends before a few days, maybe even a week, off. It’s the perfect time to talk about lessons learned in 2020.</p>
<p>What are your takeaways from 2020? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’re in the holiday zone, those last two weeks of the year where you’re wrapping up loose ends before a few days, maybe even a week, off. It’s the perfect time to talk about lessons learned in 2020.</p>
<p>What are your takeaways from 2020? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’re in the holiday zone, those last two weeks of the year where you’re wrapping up loose ends before a few days, maybe even a week, off. It’s the perfect time to talk about lessons learned in 2020.
What are your takeaways from 2020? Tell us at soloprpro.com.
 
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1486</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>81</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_79_1500px9tt0z.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode #78: Looking to 2021</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode #78: Looking to 2021</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-78-looking-to-2021/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-78-looking-to-2021/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2020 06:35:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by an article from Mark Schaefer, <a href='https://businessesgrow.com/2020/12/07/history-of-marketing/'>Why 2021 Will Be the Most Important Year in the History of Marketing</a>.</p>
<p>We know that just because the calendar turns the page to 2021, it doesn’t mean our 2020 problems will be over. At the same time, with the arrival of vaccines, we are seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.</p>
<p>Everything we have been and are going through is informing how communications messaging is received. We need to keep that front of mind and remain ready to pivot. We still need to plan and research but we also need to be nimble, agile and open to changing course as events of the day may dictate.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by an article from Mark Schaefer, <a href='https://businessesgrow.com/2020/12/07/history-of-marketing/'>Why 2021 Will Be the Most Important Year in the History of Marketing</a>.</p>
<p>We know that just because the calendar turns the page to 2021, it doesn’t mean our 2020 problems will be over. At the same time, with the arrival of vaccines, we are seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.</p>
<p>Everything we have been and are going through is informing how communications messaging is received. We need to keep that front of mind and remain ready to pivot. We still need to plan and research but we also need to be nimble, agile and open to changing course as events of the day may dictate.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode was inspired by an article from Mark Schaefer, Why 2021 Will Be the Most Important Year in the History of Marketing.
We know that just because the calendar turns the page to 2021, it doesn’t mean our 2020 problems will be over. At the same time, with the arrival of vaccines, we are seeing a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel.
Everything we have been and are going through is informing how communications messaging is received. We need to keep that front of mind and remain ready to pivot. We still need to plan and research but we also need to be nimble, agile and open to changing course as events of the day may dictate.
What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1421</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>80</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_78_1500px9wd0p.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 77: PR Lessons from The Fraud Street Run with Jeff Lyons</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 77: PR Lessons from The Fraud Street Run with Jeff Lyons</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-77-pr-lessons-from-the-fraud-street-run-with-jeff-lyons/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-77-pr-lessons-from-the-fraud-street-run-with-jeff-lyons/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2020 07:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Inspired by the <a href='https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/four-seasons-landscaping-philly-trump-giuliani-hotel-biden-20201108.html'>infamous post-election press conference</a> held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/fraud-street-run/'>Fraud Street Run</a> was established as an unofficial, untimed event by friends and runners Jeff Lyons and Chip Chantry, who also co-host the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/'>Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff</a> running podcast. Why? Well, it’s a run-worthy 11 miles between Four Seasons Total Landscaping and the Four Seasons Hotel.</p>
<p>Although some runners did complete the course in person in Philadelphia over the designated dates of November 28-29, 2020, the event was presented as a virtual opportunity due to the pandemic. This not only helped people participate safely, but it helped the event go global.</p>
<p>In this episode, Jeff Lyons joins us to talk about how the event came together and lessons learned about the event that went from a few friends raising some money for charity to a viral sensation raising over $60,000 ($54,000 from registrations and $8,000 from tee shirt sales) for <a href='https://www.philabundance.org/'>Philabundance</a>, the Philadelphia region’s largest food bank. </p>
<p>Many thanks to Jeff Lyons for joining us. You can <a href='https://www.inquirer.com/news/fraud-street-run-four-seasons-total-landscaping-press-conference-philly-20201129.html'>read more about the Fraud Street Run here.</a></p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Have a topic idea? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Inspired by the <a href='https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/four-seasons-landscaping-philly-trump-giuliani-hotel-biden-20201108.html'>infamous post-election press conference</a> held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/fraud-street-run/'>Fraud Street Run</a> was established as an unofficial, untimed event by friends and runners Jeff Lyons and Chip Chantry, who also co-host the <a href='http://www.junkmilesshow.com/'>Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff</a> running podcast. Why? Well, it’s a run-worthy 11 miles between Four Seasons Total Landscaping and the Four Seasons Hotel.</p>
<p>Although some runners did complete the course in person in Philadelphia over the designated dates of November 28-29, 2020, the event was presented as a virtual opportunity due to the pandemic. This not only helped people participate safely, but it helped the event go global.</p>
<p>In this episode, Jeff Lyons joins us to talk about how the event came together and lessons learned about the event that went from a few friends raising some money for charity to a viral sensation raising over $60,000 ($54,000 from registrations and $8,000 from tee shirt sales) for <a href='https://www.philabundance.org/'>Philabundance</a>, the Philadelphia region’s largest food bank. </p>
<p>Many thanks to Jeff Lyons for joining us. You can <a href='https://www.inquirer.com/news/fraud-street-run-four-seasons-total-landscaping-press-conference-philly-20201129.html'>read more about the Fraud Street Run here.</a></p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Have a topic idea? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Inspired by the infamous post-election press conference held at Four Seasons Total Landscaping in Philadelphia, the Fraud Street Run was established as an unofficial, untimed event by friends and runners Jeff Lyons and Chip Chantry, who also co-host the Junk Miles with Chip and Jeff running podcast. Why? Well, it’s a run-worthy 11 miles between Four Seasons Total Landscaping and the Four Seasons Hotel.
Although some runners did complete the course in person in Philadelphia over the designated dates of November 28-29, 2020, the event was presented as a virtual opportunity due to the pandemic. This not only helped people participate safely, but it helped the event go global.
In this episode, Jeff Lyons joins us to talk about how the event came together and lessons learned about the event that went from a few friends raising some money for charity to a viral sensation raising over $60,000 ($54,000 from registrations and $8,000 from tee shirt sales) for Philabundance, the Philadelphia region’s largest food bank. 
Many thanks to Jeff Lyons for joining us. You can read more about the Fraud Street Run here.
We’d love to hear from you! Have a topic idea? Let us know at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2566</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>79</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_77_1500px7m72u.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 76: Client Gifting in 2020</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 76: Client Gifting in 2020</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-76-client-gifting-in-2020/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-76-client-gifting-in-2020/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2020 06:44:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>That last bite of pumpkin pie has settled in our bellies. It’s time to think about holiday gifts for clients. What to do in a pandemic, when teams are working from home? How can you best spread the holiday cheer to show your clients you are grateful for their business? Listen to today’s episode for inspiration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>How are you handling client gifts this year? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last bite of pumpkin pie has settled in our bellies. It’s time to think about holiday gifts for clients. What to do in a pandemic, when teams are working from home? How can you best spread the holiday cheer to show your clients you are grateful for their business? Listen to today’s episode for inspiration.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>How are you handling client gifts this year? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[That last bite of pumpkin pie has settled in our bellies. It’s time to think about holiday gifts for clients. What to do in a pandemic, when teams are working from home? How can you best spread the holiday cheer to show your clients you are grateful for their business? Listen to today’s episode for inspiration.
 
How are you handling client gifts this year? Let us know at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>945</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>78</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 75: Dear 2020, We Are Over You</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 75: Dear 2020, We Are Over You</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-75-dear-2020-we-are-over-you/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-75-dear-2020-we-are-over-you/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2020 06:20:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is normal right now. And that is okay.</p>
<p>The spread of COVID-19 pandemic continues to escalate, which we take very seriously. At the same time, outside of taking precautions for our personal safety and for the safety of those around us, we have no control over what will take place in the coming weeks and months.</p>
<p>What we can control is how we respond to our circumstances. Take it moment by moment. If you’re not working up to your usual 110%, that is okay! If you’re feeling out of sorts, you’re not alone. This pandemic is taking its toll in many ways.</p>
<p>In this episode, we share ways that we are coping, working to keep life light and as productive as possible. Oh, and 2020? We are so over you.</p>
<p>Share your experience with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing is normal right now. And that is okay.</p>
<p>The spread of COVID-19 pandemic continues to escalate, which we take very seriously. At the same time, outside of taking precautions for our personal safety and for the safety of those around us, we have no control over what will take place in the coming weeks and months.</p>
<p>What we can control is how we respond to our circumstances. Take it moment by moment. If you’re not working up to your usual 110%, that is okay! If you’re feeling out of sorts, you’re not alone. This pandemic is taking its toll in many ways.</p>
<p>In this episode, we share ways that we are coping, working to keep life light and as productive as possible. Oh, and 2020? We are so over you.</p>
<p>Share your experience with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Nothing is normal right now. And that is okay.
The spread of COVID-19 pandemic continues to escalate, which we take very seriously. At the same time, outside of taking precautions for our personal safety and for the safety of those around us, we have no control over what will take place in the coming weeks and months.
What we can control is how we respond to our circumstances. Take it moment by moment. If you’re not working up to your usual 110%, that is okay! If you’re feeling out of sorts, you’re not alone. This pandemic is taking its toll in many ways.
In this episode, we share ways that we are coping, working to keep life light and as productive as possible. Oh, and 2020? We are so over you.
Share your experience with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1546</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>77</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_75_1500px8bw7t.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 74: PR Hot Potatoes - Four Seasons Total Landscaping Edition</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 74: PR Hot Potatoes - Four Seasons Total Landscaping Edition</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-74-pr-hot-potatoes-four-seasons-total-landscaping-edition/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-74-pr-hot-potatoes-four-seasons-total-landscaping-edition/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2020 06:48:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>What happens when your business is inadvertently thrust into the national spotlight? <a href='https://www.npr.org/2020/11/11/933635970/from-obscure-to-sold-out-the-story-of-four-seasons-total-landscaping-in-just-4-d'>That’s what happened</a> when Philadelphia landscaping company <a href='https://www.fstl1992.com/'>Four Seasons Total Landscaping</a>, a family-owned, woman-owned business, somehow became the location for a presidential campaign press conference.</p>
<p>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping team has been handling this newfound fame beautifully, with a sense of humor and the bonus of adding merchandise to their offerings. The situation has even inspired a virtual <a href='https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a34634438/fraud-street-run-four-seasons-total-landscaping/'>charity run</a>, which to date, has raised $19,000 for the Philabundance food bank. This whole situation is a textbook case of taking unexpected attention and running with it in a positive direction. It’s a good reminder for us as PR pros to make the best of unforeseen moments when circumstances allow.</p>
<p>Have you handled a similar situation? Tell us about it at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens when your business is inadvertently thrust into the national spotlight? <a href='https://www.npr.org/2020/11/11/933635970/from-obscure-to-sold-out-the-story-of-four-seasons-total-landscaping-in-just-4-d'>That’s what happened</a> when Philadelphia landscaping company <a href='https://www.fstl1992.com/'>Four Seasons Total Landscaping</a>, a family-owned, woman-owned business, somehow became the location for a presidential campaign press conference.</p>
<p>The Four Seasons Total Landscaping team has been handling this newfound fame beautifully, with a sense of humor and the bonus of adding merchandise to their offerings. The situation has even inspired a virtual <a href='https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a34634438/fraud-street-run-four-seasons-total-landscaping/'>charity run</a>, which to date, has raised $19,000 for the Philabundance food bank. This whole situation is a textbook case of taking unexpected attention and running with it in a positive direction. It’s a good reminder for us as PR pros to make the best of unforeseen moments when circumstances allow.</p>
<p>Have you handled a similar situation? Tell us about it at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/drq5h2/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_PR_Hot_Potatoes_FSTL_Edition622zf.mp3" length="19401736" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[What happens when your business is inadvertently thrust into the national spotlight? That’s what happened when Philadelphia landscaping company Four Seasons Total Landscaping, a family-owned, woman-owned business, somehow became the location for a presidential campaign press conference.
The Four Seasons Total Landscaping team has been handling this newfound fame beautifully, with a sense of humor and the bonus of adding merchandise to their offerings. The situation has even inspired a virtual charity run, which to date, has raised $19,000 for the Philabundance food bank. This whole situation is a textbook case of taking unexpected attention and running with it in a positive direction. It’s a good reminder for us as PR pros to make the best of unforeseen moments when circumstances allow.
Have you handled a similar situation? Tell us about it at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1212</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>76</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_74_1500px7o8mn.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 73: Image Integrity and Truth in Communications</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 73: Image Integrity and Truth in Communications</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-73-image-integrity-and-truth-in-communications/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-73-image-integrity-and-truth-in-communications/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2020 06:30:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>From the pandemic to the U.S. election to <a href='https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/entertainment/kendall-jenner-birthday-backlash-trnd/index.html'>Kendall Jenner’s birthday party</a> (Really? Yes, listen to find out.), there is a lot going on in our world.</p>
<p>It’s the perfect time to stop and talk about the importance of the integrity of your brand’s image and the need to maintain truthfulness in communications. You can’t go wrong by doing the right thing in the moment, for the moment.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you – share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the pandemic to the U.S. election to <a href='https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/entertainment/kendall-jenner-birthday-backlash-trnd/index.html'>Kendall Jenner’s birthday party</a> (Really? Yes, listen to find out.), there is a lot going on in our world.</p>
<p>It’s the perfect time to stop and talk about the importance of the integrity of your brand’s image and the need to maintain truthfulness in communications. You can’t go wrong by doing the right thing in the moment, for the moment.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you – share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[From the pandemic to the U.S. election to Kendall Jenner’s birthday party (Really? Yes, listen to find out.), there is a lot going on in our world.
It’s the perfect time to stop and talk about the importance of the integrity of your brand’s image and the need to maintain truthfulness in communications. You can’t go wrong by doing the right thing in the moment, for the moment.
What do you think? We’d love to hear from you – share with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1321</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>75</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_73_1500px8xsb7.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 72: A PR Pro’s Election Survival Guide</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 72: A PR Pro’s Election Survival Guide</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/a-pr-pro-s-election-survival-guide/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/a-pr-pro-s-election-survival-guide/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2020 06:07:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The big day is finally here for the United States: Election Day.</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of self-care, sanity, and staying positive after a long, tension-filled season.</p>
<p>What are your tactics for Election Day sanity? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big day is finally here for the United States: Election Day.</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of self-care, sanity, and staying positive after a long, tension-filled season.</p>
<p>What are your tactics for Election Day sanity? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/84db5p/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_A_PR_Pro_s_Election_Survival_Guide_Episode_726dgsl.mp3" length="21569395" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The big day is finally here for the United States: Election Day.
In today’s episode, we talk about the importance of self-care, sanity, and staying positive after a long, tension-filled season.
What are your tactics for Election Day sanity? Tell us at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1348</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>74</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_72_1500pxam6kc.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 71: PR is Not a Popularity Contest</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 71: PR is Not a Popularity Contest</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-71-pr-is-not-a-popularity-contest/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-71-pr-is-not-a-popularity-contest/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>“That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?”</p>
<p>The <a href='https://youtu.be/OtzVKUCZE5w'>TikTok video</a> that Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray hit the salient points of timing and authenticity. PR pros know that this magic can’t be manufactured.</p>
<p>Public relations, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?”</p>
<p>The <a href='https://youtu.be/OtzVKUCZE5w'>TikTok video</a> that Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray hit the salient points of timing and authenticity. PR pros know that this magic can’t be manufactured.</p>
<p>Public relations, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.</p>
<p>What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[“That Fleetwood Mac skater guy video went viral. How can we go viral?”
The TikTok video that Nathan Apodaca posted of himself skateboarding to the tune of Fleetwood Mac’s “Dreams” while drinking his Ocean Spray hit the salient points of timing and authenticity. PR pros know that this magic can’t be manufactured.
Public relations, despite what people may think, has never been a popularity contest. Public relations that works is based on sustainable strategies, community building, and investing in your customers.
What do you think? We’d love to hear from you at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1207</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>73</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_71_1500px60vg1.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 70: Acedia - The Ancient Emotion for a Modern Pandemic</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 70: Acedia - The Ancient Emotion for a Modern Pandemic</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-70-acedia-the-ancient-emotion-for-a-modern-pandemic/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-70-acedia-the-ancient-emotion-for-a-modern-pandemic/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2020 06:10:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>“We get distracted by social media, yet have a pile of books unread. We keep meaning to go outside but somehow never find the time. We’re bored, listless, afraid and uncertain.”</p>
<p>Does this sound like you? We certainly can identify, and we suspect that seven months into the COVID-19 pandemic, so can you.</p>
<p>This feeling has a name: acedia. As Jonathan L. Zecher explains in this essay, <a href='https://theconversation.com/acedia-the-lost-name-for-the-emotion-were-all-feeling-right-now-144058?fbclid=IwAR0dY9OXp1I2cbRNc_DP-1cQRbWtfzSEJli99RqgLqsNIBqHBD8sfOdC-oU'>Acedia: The Lost Name for the Emotion We’re All Feeling Right Now</a>, the word “acedia” is a descriptor of emotion that goes back to ancient Greece.</p>
<p>The good thing is that once you can name something, you can deal with it. Sometimes that’s pushing through. Sometimes it’s honoring the feeling, sitting with it, and giving yourself some grace. We could all use an extra dose of kindness right now, so why not start with yourself?</p>
<p>Have you been feeling aspects of acedia? Please share your experience with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“We get distracted by social media, yet have a pile of books unread. We keep meaning to go outside but somehow never find the time. We’re bored, listless, afraid and uncertain.”</p>
<p>Does this sound like you? We certainly can identify, and we suspect that seven months into the COVID-19 pandemic, so can you.</p>
<p>This feeling has a name: acedia. As Jonathan L. Zecher explains in this essay, <a href='https://theconversation.com/acedia-the-lost-name-for-the-emotion-were-all-feeling-right-now-144058?fbclid=IwAR0dY9OXp1I2cbRNc_DP-1cQRbWtfzSEJli99RqgLqsNIBqHBD8sfOdC-oU'>Acedia: The Lost Name for the Emotion We’re All Feeling Right Now</a>, the word “acedia” is a descriptor of emotion that goes back to ancient Greece.</p>
<p>The good thing is that once you can name something, you can deal with it. Sometimes that’s pushing through. Sometimes it’s honoring the feeling, sitting with it, and giving yourself some grace. We could all use an extra dose of kindness right now, so why not start with yourself?</p>
<p>Have you been feeling aspects of acedia? Please share your experience with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/2ixt2j/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Acedia_the_Ancient_Emotion_for_a_Modern_Pandemic_Ep707i6ig.mp3" length="23869964" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[“We get distracted by social media, yet have a pile of books unread. We keep meaning to go outside but somehow never find the time. We’re bored, listless, afraid and uncertain.”
Does this sound like you? We certainly can identify, and we suspect that seven months into the COVID-19 pandemic, so can you.
This feeling has a name: acedia. As Jonathan L. Zecher explains in this essay, Acedia: The Lost Name for the Emotion We’re All Feeling Right Now, the word “acedia” is a descriptor of emotion that goes back to ancient Greece.
The good thing is that once you can name something, you can deal with it. Sometimes that’s pushing through. Sometimes it’s honoring the feeling, sitting with it, and giving yourself some grace. We could all use an extra dose of kindness right now, so why not start with yourself?
Have you been feeling aspects of acedia? Please share your experience with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1491</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>72</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_70_1500px6u8i4.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 69: Podcasting: Is It for You?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 69: Podcasting: Is It for You?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-69-podcasting-is-it-for-you/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-69-podcasting-is-it-for-you/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2020 06:17:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/c1ec9d92-9500-3fd3-a85d-120a7ac319f6</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we go meta and talk about podcasting. Podcasts are yet another vehicle for content. Everyone learns and digests information differently, so adding a podcast to your content marketing can be quite effective in building out your thought leadership. What better way to establish the know, like, and trust factors of business relationships than to allow your or your clients’ audiences to hear your voice and get to know you better?</p>
<p>What questions do you have about podcasting? Do you host a podcast? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we go meta and talk about podcasting. Podcasts are yet another vehicle for content. Everyone learns and digests information differently, so adding a podcast to your content marketing can be quite effective in building out your thought leadership. What better way to establish the know, like, and trust factors of business relationships than to allow your or your clients’ audiences to hear your voice and get to know you better?</p>
<p>What questions do you have about podcasting? Do you host a podcast? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/tyenvw/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_PodcastingIsItforYou.mp3" length="18814964" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode, we go meta and talk about podcasting. Podcasts are yet another vehicle for content. Everyone learns and digests information differently, so adding a podcast to your content marketing can be quite effective in building out your thought leadership. What better way to establish the know, like, and trust factors of business relationships than to allow your or your clients’ audiences to hear your voice and get to know you better?
What questions do you have about podcasting? Do you host a podcast? Let us know at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1175</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>71</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 68: Communicating Clearly</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 68: Communicating Clearly</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-68-communicating-clearly/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-68-communicating-clearly/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2020 06:56:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s debate season here in the United States, the time of year when we communications pros nerd out as politicians deliver their messaging. Can we “see” them making their points? Or are they crafting a story, drawing us into their narrative?</p>
<p>Whether it’s a candidate on the debate stage or a client at a speaking engagement, these unnatural environments can be unnerving. It’s our job to work with our clients on the message and its delivery to ensure it’s delivered as naturally and effectively as possible.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s debate season here in the United States, the time of year when we communications pros nerd out as politicians deliver their messaging. Can we “see” them making their points? Or are they crafting a story, drawing us into their narrative?</p>
<p>Whether it’s a candidate on the debate stage or a client at a speaking engagement, these unnatural environments can be unnerving. It’s our job to work with our clients on the message and its delivery to ensure it’s delivered as naturally and effectively as possible.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s debate season here in the United States, the time of year when we communications pros nerd out as politicians deliver their messaging. Can we “see” them making their points? Or are they crafting a story, drawing us into their narrative?
Whether it’s a candidate on the debate stage or a client at a speaking engagement, these unnatural environments can be unnerving. It’s our job to work with our clients on the message and its delivery to ensure it’s delivered as naturally and effectively as possible.
As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1133</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>70</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 67: The Definition of Work</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 67: The Definition of Work</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-67-the-definition-of-work/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-67-the-definition-of-work/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2020 06:32:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We’ve touched on the role of the self-employed professional in the workforce in the past, <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-19-ca%E2%80%93ab5-the-california-gig-worker-bill-and-you/'>addressing California’s AB-5 legislation</a>. It is in the news again with a <a href='https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/labor-secretary-gig-workers-rule-contractors-businesses'>proposed rule from the Department of Labor</a> that would define who is an “independent contractor.”</p>
<p>To a large extent public sector, and even private sector, entities do not entirely understand the nuances of what it’s like to work independently. We don’t fit the traditional mold of an independent contractor. Our companies may not fit the definition of a small business. And yet we are businesses. This results in rules and legislation crafted to address the freelance and gig economy that does not consider those of us who are self-employed, running micro agencies.</p>
<p>While this rule may not affect us directly, it’s important that we keep an eye on it and future ideations like it to prevent it from harming our ability to retain work. The only way for our legislators to know how we operate is to educate them. Introduce yourself to your legislators – send a letter explaining who you are and what you do. At the hyper-local level – state legislature, municipal representative – invite your rep for a cup of coffee to help them understand how your business functions.</p>
<p>This “future of work” has been here for quite some time. The ability to complete our work outside of the traditional 9-to-5 spent in a corporate office has grown with the onset of employees working from home. How that affects the valuation of our work from hours clocked to quality of work product remains to be seen.</p>
<p>As always, we have hope for a bright future. What are your thoughts? Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We’ve touched on the role of the self-employed professional in the workforce in the past, <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-19-ca%E2%80%93ab5-the-california-gig-worker-bill-and-you/'>addressing California’s AB-5 legislation</a>. It is in the news again with a <a href='https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/labor-secretary-gig-workers-rule-contractors-businesses'>proposed rule from the Department of Labor</a> that would define who is an “independent contractor.”</p>
<p>To a large extent public sector, and even private sector, entities do not entirely understand the nuances of what it’s like to work independently. We don’t fit the traditional mold of an independent contractor. Our companies may not fit the definition of a small business. And yet we are businesses. This results in rules and legislation crafted to address the freelance and gig economy that does not consider those of us who are self-employed, running micro agencies.</p>
<p>While this rule may not affect us directly, it’s important that we keep an eye on it and future ideations like it to prevent it from harming our ability to retain work. The only way for our legislators to know how we operate is to educate them. Introduce yourself to your legislators – send a letter explaining who you are and what you do. At the hyper-local level – state legislature, municipal representative – invite your rep for a cup of coffee to help them understand how your business functions.</p>
<p>This “future of work” has been here for quite some time. The ability to complete our work outside of the traditional 9-to-5 spent in a corporate office has grown with the onset of employees working from home. How that affects the valuation of our work from hours clocked to quality of work product remains to be seen.</p>
<p>As always, we have hope for a bright future. What are your thoughts? Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We’ve touched on the role of the self-employed professional in the workforce in the past, addressing California’s AB-5 legislation. It is in the news again with a proposed rule from the Department of Labor that would define who is an “independent contractor.”
To a large extent public sector, and even private sector, entities do not entirely understand the nuances of what it’s like to work independently. We don’t fit the traditional mold of an independent contractor. Our companies may not fit the definition of a small business. And yet we are businesses. This results in rules and legislation crafted to address the freelance and gig economy that does not consider those of us who are self-employed, running micro agencies.
While this rule may not affect us directly, it’s important that we keep an eye on it and future ideations like it to prevent it from harming our ability to retain work. The only way for our legislators to know how we operate is to educate them. Introduce yourself to your legislators – send a letter explaining who you are and what you do. At the hyper-local level – state legislature, municipal representative – invite your rep for a cup of coffee to help them understand how your business functions.
This “future of work” has been here for quite some time. The ability to complete our work outside of the traditional 9-to-5 spent in a corporate office has grown with the onset of employees working from home. How that affects the valuation of our work from hours clocked to quality of work product remains to be seen.
As always, we have hope for a bright future. What are your thoughts? Share with us a soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1536</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>69</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 66: Pass PR with Dan Farkas</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 66: Pass PR with Dan Farkas</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-66-pass-pr-with-dan-farkas/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-66-pass-pr-with-dan-farkas/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2020 06:11:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we are joined by fellow Solo PR Pro, Dan Farkas, who joins us to discuss his newest endeavor, <a href='http://passpr.com/'>Pass PR</a>. Pass PR is customized education to help people accelerate their communication skills. Whether you are a new graduate, a seasoned pro, or a professional starting your own business, Pass PR is a unique and valuable way for you to gain the additional skills you need for success.</p>
<p>Dan is a Lecturer of Strategic Communication at Ohio State University, where he teaches courses on research, strategy, content creation, measurement, and analytics. The BBC and Mashable are some of the media outlets that have featured Dan as a thought leader on the changing landscape of strategic communication and how we can make the most of it. </p>
<p>Dan is also a business owner who practices the craft when not chasing late homework assignments or his two kids. His campaign efforts have earned recognition from PRSA and the Ohio Society of Association Executives. He helped clients received media coverage with the Washington Post, Huff Post, and Associated Press. </p>
<p>In a former life, Dan earned more than 20 awards for his work in television news. His work appeared on CNN, MSNBC, and SI.com.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we are joined by fellow Solo PR Pro, Dan Farkas, who joins us to discuss his newest endeavor, <a href='http://passpr.com/'>Pass PR</a>. Pass PR is customized education to help people accelerate their communication skills. Whether you are a new graduate, a seasoned pro, or a professional starting your own business, Pass PR is a unique and valuable way for you to gain the additional skills you need for success.</p>
<p>Dan is a Lecturer of Strategic Communication at Ohio State University, where he teaches courses on research, strategy, content creation, measurement, and analytics. The BBC and Mashable are some of the media outlets that have featured Dan as a thought leader on the changing landscape of strategic communication and how we can make the most of it. </p>
<p>Dan is also a business owner who practices the craft when not chasing late homework assignments or his two kids. His campaign efforts have earned recognition from PRSA and the Ohio Society of Association Executives. He helped clients received media coverage with the Washington Post, Huff Post, and Associated Press. </p>
<p>In a former life, Dan earned more than 20 awards for his work in television news. His work appeared on CNN, MSNBC, and SI.com.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today we are joined by fellow Solo PR Pro, Dan Farkas, who joins us to discuss his newest endeavor, Pass PR. Pass PR is customized education to help people accelerate their communication skills. Whether you are a new graduate, a seasoned pro, or a professional starting your own business, Pass PR is a unique and valuable way for you to gain the additional skills you need for success.
Dan is a Lecturer of Strategic Communication at Ohio State University, where he teaches courses on research, strategy, content creation, measurement, and analytics. The BBC and Mashable are some of the media outlets that have featured Dan as a thought leader on the changing landscape of strategic communication and how we can make the most of it. 
Dan is also a business owner who practices the craft when not chasing late homework assignments or his two kids. His campaign efforts have earned recognition from PRSA and the Ohio Society of Association Executives. He helped clients received media coverage with the Washington Post, Huff Post, and Associated Press. 
In a former life, Dan earned more than 20 awards for his work in television news. His work appeared on CNN, MSNBC, and SI.com.
As always, we’d love your feedback. Share with us a soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1840</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>68</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 65: Professional Development in a Pandemic</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 65: Professional Development in a Pandemic</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-65-professional-development-in-a-pandemic/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-65-professional-development-in-a-pandemic/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2020 06:21:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Keeping up with professional development in a COVID-19 world is a challenge, especially with in-person events either cancelled or held virtually. Screen fatigue is real, so we need to create ways to stay sharp. In today’s episode we talk about how creating community can fit the bill. Whether it’s a virtual book club, an accountability partner, or seeking out professionals outside your industry to interact with and learn from, any interaction that can wake up our minds and our senses during this time of isolation will be beneficial.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your ideas. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keeping up with professional development in a COVID-19 world is a challenge, especially with in-person events either cancelled or held virtually. Screen fatigue is real, so we need to create ways to stay sharp. In today’s episode we talk about how creating community can fit the bill. Whether it’s a virtual book club, an accountability partner, or seeking out professionals outside your industry to interact with and learn from, any interaction that can wake up our minds and our senses during this time of isolation will be beneficial.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your ideas. Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Keeping up with professional development in a COVID-19 world is a challenge, especially with in-person events either cancelled or held virtually. Screen fatigue is real, so we need to create ways to stay sharp. In today’s episode we talk about how creating community can fit the bill. Whether it’s a virtual book club, an accountability partner, or seeking out professionals outside your industry to interact with and learn from, any interaction that can wake up our minds and our senses during this time of isolation will be beneficial.
We’d love to hear your ideas. Share with us a soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1471</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>67</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_65_1500px9v95e.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 64: Boundaries - A Reminder</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 64: Boundaries - A Reminder</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-64-boundaries-a-reminder/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-64-boundaries-a-reminder/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2020 06:33:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We covered boundaries in an <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-54-boundaries-are-beautiful/'>earlier episode</a> but we also know creating and keeping good boundaries is an ongoing work in progress. We need that gentle reminder – whether it’s scope creep or establishing limits on accessibility (especially in our current work from home era) – that boundaries are essential to performing at our best.</p>
<p>What is your biggest struggle with boundaries right now? Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We covered boundaries in an <a href='https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-54-boundaries-are-beautiful/'>earlier episode</a> but we also know creating and keeping good boundaries is an ongoing work in progress. We need that gentle reminder – whether it’s scope creep or establishing limits on accessibility (especially in our current work from home era) – that boundaries are essential to performing at our best.</p>
<p>What is your biggest struggle with boundaries right now? Share with us a <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We covered boundaries in an earlier episode but we also know creating and keeping good boundaries is an ongoing work in progress. We need that gentle reminder – whether it’s scope creep or establishing limits on accessibility (especially in our current work from home era) – that boundaries are essential to performing at our best.
What is your biggest struggle with boundaries right now? Share with us a soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1450</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>66</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_64_1500pxbat6g.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 63: Review to Renew</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 63: Review to Renew</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-63-review-to-renew/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-63-review-to-renew/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2020 06:57:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>When was the last time you reviewed your progress in achieving your goals? Are those goals still in line with what you would like to achieve personally and professionally, or do your goals need to be updated?</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we talk about reviewing our progress, about getting in the habit of checking in with ourselves, not just on an annual or monthly basis, but weekly or even every day.</p>
<p>We can be our most productive, and that’s not the same as overly busy, but working with purpose and staying aligned with our goals if we check in with ourselves on a more consistent basis.</p>
<p>In <a href='https://blog.rescuetime.com/weekly-monthly-annual-reviews/'>this blog post</a> from RescueTime, they ask three questions to help with this process:</p>
<ul><li>Did you complete what you set out to do?</li>
<li>Does your calendar and your commitments match your priorities and values?</li>
<li>What was your allocation of $10/hour work vs. $10,000/hour work?</li>
</ul>
<p>Get in the habit of regularly taking stock. You may be surprised at the time you find, and how it will increase the joy and purpose you have in your work.</p>
<p>Can you relate? Tell us how at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When was the last time you reviewed your progress in achieving your goals? Are those goals still in line with what you would like to achieve personally and professionally, or do your goals need to be updated?</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we talk about reviewing our progress, about getting in the habit of checking in with ourselves, not just on an annual or monthly basis, but weekly or even every day.</p>
<p>We can be our most productive, and that’s not the same as overly busy, but working with purpose and staying aligned with our goals if we check in with ourselves on a more consistent basis.</p>
<p>In <a href='https://blog.rescuetime.com/weekly-monthly-annual-reviews/'>this blog post</a> from RescueTime, they ask three questions to help with this process:</p>
<ul><li>Did you complete what you set out to do?</li>
<li>Does your calendar and your commitments match your priorities and values?</li>
<li>What was your allocation of $10/hour work vs. $10,000/hour work?</li>
</ul>
<p>Get in the habit of regularly taking stock. You may be surprised at the time you find, and how it will increase the joy and purpose you have in your work.</p>
<p>Can you relate? Tell us how at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[When was the last time you reviewed your progress in achieving your goals? Are those goals still in line with what you would like to achieve personally and professionally, or do your goals need to be updated?
In today’s episode, we talk about reviewing our progress, about getting in the habit of checking in with ourselves, not just on an annual or monthly basis, but weekly or even every day.
We can be our most productive, and that’s not the same as overly busy, but working with purpose and staying aligned with our goals if we check in with ourselves on a more consistent basis.
In this blog post from RescueTime, they ask three questions to help with this process:
Did you complete what you set out to do?
Does your calendar and your commitments match your priorities and values?
What was your allocation of $10/hour work vs. $10,000/hour work?
Get in the habit of regularly taking stock. You may be surprised at the time you find, and how it will increase the joy and purpose you have in your work.
Can you relate? Tell us how at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1109</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>65</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 62: Rituals</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 62: Rituals</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-62-rituals/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-62-rituals/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2020 06:41:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by an article in Psychology Today by Nick Hobson, Ph.D., <a href='https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ritual-and-the-brain/201709/how-rituals-alter-the-brain-help-us-perform-better'>How Rituals Alter the Brain to Help Us Perform Better</a>.</p>
<p>Rituals can be grounding and comforting. They can also prepare us for performance. Dr. Hobson explains that rituals help us to reduce anxiety associated with potential failure by changing how your brain responds to failure.</p>
<p>We need to incorporate ways to refuel and refocus ourselves to enable us to do what we do well and maintain our physical and mental health, not just during this pandemic but afterward too.</p>
<p>What are your favorite rituals? It can be for relaxation or for getting powered up to get to work. Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by an article in Psychology Today by Nick Hobson, Ph.D., <a href='https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/ritual-and-the-brain/201709/how-rituals-alter-the-brain-help-us-perform-better'>How Rituals Alter the Brain to Help Us Perform Better</a>.</p>
<p>Rituals can be grounding and comforting. They can also prepare us for performance. Dr. Hobson explains that rituals help us to reduce anxiety associated with potential failure by changing how your brain responds to failure.</p>
<p>We need to incorporate ways to refuel and refocus ourselves to enable us to do what we do well and maintain our physical and mental health, not just during this pandemic but afterward too.</p>
<p>What are your favorite rituals? It can be for relaxation or for getting powered up to get to work. Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode was inspired by an article in Psychology Today by Nick Hobson, Ph.D., How Rituals Alter the Brain to Help Us Perform Better.
Rituals can be grounding and comforting. They can also prepare us for performance. Dr. Hobson explains that rituals help us to reduce anxiety associated with potential failure by changing how your brain responds to failure.
We need to incorporate ways to refuel and refocus ourselves to enable us to do what we do well and maintain our physical and mental health, not just during this pandemic but afterward too.
What are your favorite rituals? It can be for relaxation or for getting powered up to get to work. Share with us at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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        <title>Episode 61: COVID Communication Fatigue</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 61: COVID Communication Fatigue</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-61-covid-communication-fatigue/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-61-covid-communication-fatigue/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 06:46:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We are in the sixth month of the COVID-19 pandemic, and we know that you as a communicator and the audiences you serve are tired. And yet, we need to continue crafting and sharing messaging effectively, to cut through the (sometimes subconscious) inclination of our audience to tune out.</p>
<p>In today’s episode we talk about ways we can approach our communications strategies and messaging with a new perspective.</p>
<p>How about you? How are you keeping your messaging fresh and effective right now? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are in the sixth month of the COVID-19 pandemic, and we know that you as a communicator and the audiences you serve are tired. And yet, we need to continue crafting and sharing messaging effectively, to cut through the (sometimes subconscious) inclination of our audience to tune out.</p>
<p>In today’s episode we talk about ways we can approach our communications strategies and messaging with a new perspective.</p>
<p>How about you? How are you keeping your messaging fresh and effective right now? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are in the sixth month of the COVID-19 pandemic, and we know that you as a communicator and the audiences you serve are tired. And yet, we need to continue crafting and sharing messaging effectively, to cut through the (sometimes subconscious) inclination of our audience to tune out.
In today’s episode we talk about ways we can approach our communications strategies and messaging with a new perspective.
How about you? How are you keeping your messaging fresh and effective right now? Tell us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1952</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>63</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_61_1500px6x80p.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 60: Communications Clichés</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 60: Communications Clichés</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-60-communicatons-cliches/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-60-communicatons-cliches/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Aug 2020 06:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/author/nschuman/'>Nicole Schuman</a>’s recent article in PR News, <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/cliches-communications-overused-phrases-writing/'>The Top Communications Clichés and How to Avoid Them</a>. As communicators, we need to craft messaging that is authentic to those we are writing for and to make sure we are always reviewing our work with an eye on eliminating the use of clichés and overworn phrases.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What is the cliché you love to hate? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/author/nschuman/'>Nicole Schuman</a>’s recent article in PR News, <a href='https://www.prnewsonline.com/cliches-communications-overused-phrases-writing/'>The Top Communications Clichés and How to Avoid Them</a>. As communicators, we need to craft messaging that is authentic to those we are writing for and to make sure we are always reviewing our work with an eye on eliminating the use of clichés and overworn phrases.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What is the cliché you love to hate? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode was inspired by Nicole Schuman’s recent article in PR News, The Top Communications Clichés and How to Avoid Them. As communicators, we need to craft messaging that is authentic to those we are writing for and to make sure we are always reviewing our work with an eye on eliminating the use of clichés and overworn phrases.
 
What is the cliché you love to hate? Tell us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1330</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>62</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/episode_60_1500px61a6q.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 59: Stress Break</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 59: Stress Break</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-59-stress-break/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-59-stress-break/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:18:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s midsummer and we’re living through a pandemic, so on this week’s episode we’re taking a stress break. It’s important – with looming uncertainty about the school year, work, vacation (vacation?) – to take the time to find calm for ourselves and to seek out what makes us laugh. Doing so is restorative and we need to take care of ourselves, perhaps now more than ever.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What is your favorite way to relax? What’s making you laugh right now? We want to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s midsummer and we’re living through a pandemic, so on this week’s episode we’re taking a stress break. It’s important – with looming uncertainty about the school year, work, vacation (vacation?) – to take the time to find calm for ourselves <em>and</em> to seek out what makes us laugh. Doing so is restorative and we need to take care of ourselves, perhaps now more than ever.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>What is your favorite way to relax? What’s making you laugh right now? We want to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s midsummer and we’re living through a pandemic, so on this week’s episode we’re taking a stress break. It’s important – with looming uncertainty about the school year, work, vacation (vacation?) – to take the time to find calm for ourselves and to seek out what makes us laugh. Doing so is restorative and we need to take care of ourselves, perhaps now more than ever.
 
What is your favorite way to relax? What’s making you laugh right now? We want to know! Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1460</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>61</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/episode_59_1500px7caem.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 58: Should We Change How We Do PR?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 58: Should We Change How We Do PR?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-58-should-we-change-how-we-do-pr/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-58-should-we-change-how-we-do-pr/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2020 06:24:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/05c73408-fe8e-5087-b363-5c85d7ec186c</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentally, what we do as communications professionals does not change. What does change is the way we do it. Is it time to change our approach to our work, our methods, and our tactics, given the state of current events? Now is an ideal time to reexamine and find new opportunities in the value we offer our current and prospective clients.</p>
<p>Have you changed how you approach your work in PR? Let us know. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentally, what we do as communications professionals does not change. What does change is the way we do it. Is it time to change our approach to our work, our methods, and our tactics, given the state of current events? Now is an ideal time to reexamine and find new opportunities in the value we offer our current and prospective clients.</p>
<p>Have you changed how you approach your work in PR? Let us know. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Fundamentally, what we do as communications professionals does not change. What does change is the way we do it. Is it time to change our approach to our work, our methods, and our tactics, given the state of current events? Now is an ideal time to reexamine and find new opportunities in the value we offer our current and prospective clients.
Have you changed how you approach your work in PR? Let us know. Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1387</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>60</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_58_1500px_a3jrv.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 57: Helping Clients Navigate the Now Normal</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 57: Helping Clients Navigate the Now Normal</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-57-helping-clients-navigate-the-now-normal/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-57-helping-clients-navigate-the-now-normal/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2020 06:53:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/58e02ef2-c0d1-5fad-b207-2a79b3ac4571</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is dealing with a lot these days. A LOT. Work life is different, home life is different. While it seems like this COVID-19 era will go on, we know from past pandemics that this is only temporary. That’s why in this episode we refer to this time in our lives as the “now normal” instead of the “new normal.”</p>
<p>How can we as communicators continue to add value to our clients and our own businesses as we work our way through this? Join us for this conversation.</p>
<p>And, as always, we want to hear from you. How have you been helping your clients navigate the now normal? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> and let us know.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone is dealing with a lot these days. A LOT. Work life is different, home life is different. While it seems like this COVID-19 era will go on, we know from past pandemics that this is only temporary. That’s why in this episode we refer to this time in our lives as the “now normal” instead of the “new normal.”</p>
<p>How can we as communicators continue to add value to our clients and our own businesses as we work our way through this? Join us for this conversation.</p>
<p>And, as always, we want to hear from you. How have you been helping your clients navigate the now normal? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> and let us know.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/1tp4ld/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_Helping_Clients_Navigate_the_Now_Normal_7923q.mp3" length="24658296" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Everyone is dealing with a lot these days. A LOT. Work life is different, home life is different. While it seems like this COVID-19 era will go on, we know from past pandemics that this is only temporary. That’s why in this episode we refer to this time in our lives as the “now normal” instead of the “new normal.”
How can we as communicators continue to add value to our clients and our own businesses as we work our way through this? Join us for this conversation.
And, as always, we want to hear from you. How have you been helping your clients navigate the now normal? Visit us at soloprpro.com and let us know.
 
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1541</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>59</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_57_1500px_90pvn.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 56: We’re Halfway through 2020. Now What?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 56: We’re Halfway through 2020. Now What?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-56-we-re-halfway-through-2020-now-what/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-56-we-re-halfway-through-2020-now-what/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2020 06:32:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>You did it! You’ve made it through the first half of 2020. Sit for a moment. Exhale. Congratulate yourself!</p>
<p>This year has been challenging on so many levels, all at once. In this episode we talk about how to head into the second half of 2020 with hope, determination, and joy.</p>
<p>Tell us your thoughts. We truly do want to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You did it! You’ve made it through the first half of 2020. Sit for a moment. Exhale. Congratulate yourself!</p>
<p>This year has been challenging on so many levels, all at once. In this episode we talk about how to head into the second half of 2020 with hope, determination, and joy.</p>
<p>Tell us your thoughts. We truly do want to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/z57pw7/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_YouveMadeitThrough_Ep56.mp3" length="27483813" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[You did it! You’ve made it through the first half of 2020. Sit for a moment. Exhale. Congratulate yourself!
This year has been challenging on so many levels, all at once. In this episode we talk about how to head into the second half of 2020 with hope, determination, and joy.
Tell us your thoughts. We truly do want to hear from you. Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1717</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>58</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_56_1500px_aw1za.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 55: Conferences in the COVID-19 Era</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 55: Conferences in the COVID-19 Era</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-55-conferences-in-the-covid-19-era/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-55-conferences-in-the-covid-19-era/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 06:29:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Conferences are among the many in-person experiences facing challenges thanks to COVID-19. Conferences can still bring value, even when they cannot take place in person. As with many situations we are dealing with during the COVID-19 pandemic, conference planners have an opportunity to invent new ways for attendees to connect and experience value while avoiding “virtual fatigue.” Listen to this episode of That Solo Life where we discuss this and ways attendees can get the most out of their experiences.</p>
<p>How is your conference schedule and experience changing in light of COVID-19? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Conferences are among the many in-person experiences facing challenges thanks to COVID-19. Conferences can still bring value, even when they cannot take place in person. As with many situations we are dealing with during the COVID-19 pandemic, conference planners have an opportunity to invent new ways for attendees to connect and experience value while avoiding “virtual fatigue.” Listen to this episode of That Solo Life where we discuss this and ways attendees can get the most out of their experiences.</p>
<p>How is your conference schedule and experience changing in light of COVID-19? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/qko1a0/Episode_55_9djif.mp3" length="20487242" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Conferences are among the many in-person experiences facing challenges thanks to COVID-19. Conferences can still bring value, even when they cannot take place in person. As with many situations we are dealing with during the COVID-19 pandemic, conference planners have an opportunity to invent new ways for attendees to connect and experience value while avoiding “virtual fatigue.” Listen to this episode of That Solo Life where we discuss this and ways attendees can get the most out of their experiences.
How is your conference schedule and experience changing in light of COVID-19? Tell us at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1280</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>57</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_55_1500px_8d49w.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 54: Boundaries are Beautiful</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 54: Boundaries are Beautiful</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-54-boundaries-are-beautiful/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-54-boundaries-are-beautiful/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:37:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Setting proper boundaries is crucial, especially for communications professionals. As solos, we have the freedom to work whenever we like but that does not mean, outside of the requirements of certain projects, that we are on call and available 24/7. We need time to replenish our minds and bodies. We need to make sure we are at our best for our families, friends, our clients, and ourselves. Don’t feel guilty about saying, “No” and for using boundaries to build your best life. After all, isn’t that why we chose to work for ourselves?</p>
<p>We want to hear from you. What are the ways you create healthy boundaries? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>. </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Setting proper boundaries is crucial, especially for communications professionals. As solos, we have the freedom to work whenever we like but that does not mean, outside of the requirements of certain projects, that we are on call and available 24/7. We need time to replenish our minds and bodies. We need to make sure we are at our best for our families, friends, our clients, and ourselves. Don’t feel guilty about saying, “No” and for using boundaries to build your best life. After all, isn’t that why we chose to work for ourselves?</p>
<p>We want to hear from you. What are the ways you create healthy boundaries? Tell us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/p4zhuf/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_BoundariesareBeautiful_Ep54.mp3" length="32186985" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Setting proper boundaries is crucial, especially for communications professionals. As solos, we have the freedom to work whenever we like but that does not mean, outside of the requirements of certain projects, that we are on call and available 24/7. We need time to replenish our minds and bodies. We need to make sure we are at our best for our families, friends, our clients, and ourselves. Don’t feel guilty about saying, “No” and for using boundaries to build your best life. After all, isn’t that why we chose to work for ourselves?
We want to hear from you. What are the ways you create healthy boundaries? Tell us at soloprpro.com. ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2011</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_54_1500px_bfpvq.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 53: Real Talk</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 53: Real Talk</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-53-real-talk/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-53-real-talk/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2020 07:22:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>An incredible social justice movement has risen following the devastating murder of George Floyd.</p>
<p>As PR pros, we craft messaging all the time for clients. Our challenge now is to provide the traditional strategic guidance and crisis preparation while also having those hard conversations about what is happening. This may be new territory for some of us, for some of our clients.</p>
<p>This is a moment for PR professionals to build a better future. Let’s step into these challenges and be a part of the history we are making today.</p>
<p>Add to the conversation at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/blackout-tuesday/'>Solo PR Pro Blog on Blackout Tuesday</a></p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An incredible social justice movement has risen following the devastating murder of George Floyd.</p>
<p>As PR pros, we craft messaging all the time for clients. Our challenge now is to provide the traditional strategic guidance and crisis preparation while also having those hard conversations about what is happening. This may be new territory for some of us, for some of our clients.</p>
<p>This is a moment for PR professionals to build a better future. Let’s step into these challenges and be a part of the history we are making today.</p>
<p>Add to the conversation at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Notes:</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/blackout-tuesday/'>Solo PR Pro Blog on Blackout Tuesday</a></p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[An incredible social justice movement has risen following the devastating murder of George Floyd.
As PR pros, we craft messaging all the time for clients. Our challenge now is to provide the traditional strategic guidance and crisis preparation while also having those hard conversations about what is happening. This may be new territory for some of us, for some of our clients.
This is a moment for PR professionals to build a better future. Let’s step into these challenges and be a part of the history we are making today.
Add to the conversation at soloprpro.com.
 
Notes:
Solo PR Pro Blog on Blackout Tuesday
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2189</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>55</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 52 - PPP Loans &amp; the Solo PR Pro with Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 52 - PPP Loans &amp; the Solo PR Pro with Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-52-ppp-loans-the-solo-pr-pro-with-brent-thompson-of-canon-capital-management-group/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-52-ppp-loans-the-solo-pr-pro-with-brent-thompson-of-canon-capital-management-group/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Sat, 06 Jun 2020 07:56:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that an estimated $140 billion remains available in the Payroll Protection Program (PPP)? Or that you can apply even if you operate as a sole proprietor? We did not know this, which is why we are glad that Brent Thompson, CPA, CMA, CGMA of <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/services/with-each-payroll/'>Canon Capital Management Group</a> joined us as our guest this week. He helps us wade through the PPP from the perspective of solo practitioners and small business owners.</p>
<p>During this episode, we discussed the parameters of the PPP and the anticipated passing of the "Paycheck Protection Program Flexibility Act of 2020 (PPPFA),” which <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2020/06/05/trump-signs-new-law-relaxing-ppp-rules-what-you-need-to-know/#794245eb31e3'>did become law</a> on June 5, 2020. This new legislation has a significant effect on the forgiveness of the PPP loan, including extending the time to use the funds from an 8-week period to 24 weeks and changing the payroll ratio test from 75/25 to 60/40.</p>
<p>The most time-sensitive item of note is that PPP lenders must have the funding in your bank account by June 30. To allow for enough time for the process, it is recommended to apply by June 10.</p>
<p>Keep up with the latest information about PPP and other elements of the CARES Act by following the Canon Capital Management Group <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/category/news-and-events/'>blog</a>.</p>
<p>What has your experience been with the PPP process. Have you applied? Were you approved? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/news-and-events/paycheck-protection-program-flexibility-act-what-we-know-as-of-6-11-20-seminar-recording/'>UPDATE: Here is the latest information on PPP guidance from Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group.</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you know that an estimated $140 billion remains available in the Payroll Protection Program (PPP)? Or that you can apply even if you operate as a sole proprietor? We did not know this, which is why we are glad that Brent Thompson, CPA, CMA, CGMA of <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/services/with-each-payroll/'>Canon Capital Management Group</a> joined us as our guest this week. He helps us wade through the PPP from the perspective of solo practitioners and small business owners.</p>
<p>During this episode, we discussed the parameters of the PPP and the anticipated passing of the "Paycheck Protection Program Flexibility Act of 2020 (PPPFA),” which <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/allbusiness/2020/06/05/trump-signs-new-law-relaxing-ppp-rules-what-you-need-to-know/#794245eb31e3'>did become law</a> on June 5, 2020. This new legislation has a significant effect on the forgiveness of the PPP loan, including extending the time to use the funds from an 8-week period to 24 weeks and changing the payroll ratio test from 75/25 to 60/40.</p>
<p>The most time-sensitive item of note is that PPP lenders must have the funding in your bank account by June 30. To allow for enough time for the process, it is recommended to apply by June 10.</p>
<p>Keep up with the latest information about PPP and other elements of the CARES Act by following the Canon Capital Management Group <a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/category/news-and-events/'>blog</a>.</p>
<p>What has your experience been with the PPP process. Have you applied? Were you approved? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.canoncapital.com/news-and-events/paycheck-protection-program-flexibility-act-what-we-know-as-of-6-11-20-seminar-recording/'>UPDATE: Here is the latest information on PPP guidance from Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group.</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Did you know that an estimated $140 billion remains available in the Payroll Protection Program (PPP)? Or that you can apply even if you operate as a sole proprietor? We did not know this, which is why we are glad that Brent Thompson, CPA, CMA, CGMA of Canon Capital Management Group joined us as our guest this week. He helps us wade through the PPP from the perspective of solo practitioners and small business owners.
During this episode, we discussed the parameters of the PPP and the anticipated passing of the "Paycheck Protection Program Flexibility Act of 2020 (PPPFA),” which did become law on June 5, 2020. This new legislation has a significant effect on the forgiveness of the PPP loan, including extending the time to use the funds from an 8-week period to 24 weeks and changing the payroll ratio test from 75/25 to 60/40.
The most time-sensitive item of note is that PPP lenders must have the funding in your bank account by June 30. To allow for enough time for the process, it is recommended to apply by June 10.
Keep up with the latest information about PPP and other elements of the CARES Act by following the Canon Capital Management Group blog.
What has your experience been with the PPP process. Have you applied? Were you approved? Let us know at soloprpro.com.
UPDATE: Here is the latest information on PPP guidance from Brent Thompson of Canon Capital Management Group.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1612</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>54</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 51: Clarity in a COVID-19 World</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 51: Clarity in a COVID-19 World</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-51-clarity-in-a-covid-19-world/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-51-clarity-in-a-covid-19-world/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2020 06:13:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Newsroom layoffs, disagreements about wearing masks, concern over how and when to reopen businesses – it continues to be a stressful time.</p>
<p>As professional communicators, how can we make sure our communication is clear, purposeful, and positive, rising above the chatter?</p>
<p>How can we use this time to unleash our creativity and use new ideas to clear through the clutter and reach our clients’ audiences?</p>
<p>Maybe it’s time to revisit the focus of your own business. Do you need to pivot? Or do you feel drawn to a different focus?</p>
<p>Use this time as an opportunity. What do you think? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newsroom layoffs, disagreements about wearing masks, concern over how and when to reopen businesses – it continues to be a stressful time.</p>
<p>As professional communicators, how can we make sure our communication is clear, purposeful, and positive, rising above the chatter?</p>
<p>How can we use this time to unleash our creativity and use new ideas to clear through the clutter and reach our clients’ audiences?</p>
<p>Maybe it’s time to revisit the focus of your own business. Do you need to pivot? Or do you feel drawn to a different focus?</p>
<p>Use this time as an opportunity. What do you think? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Newsroom layoffs, disagreements about wearing masks, concern over how and when to reopen businesses – it continues to be a stressful time.
As professional communicators, how can we make sure our communication is clear, purposeful, and positive, rising above the chatter?
How can we use this time to unleash our creativity and use new ideas to clear through the clutter and reach our clients’ audiences?
Maybe it’s time to revisit the focus of your own business. Do you need to pivot? Or do you feel drawn to a different focus?
Use this time as an opportunity. What do you think? Let us know at soloprpro.com.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1461</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>53</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_51_1500px_917v0.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 50: Work from Home. Forever?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 50: Work from Home. Forever?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-50-work-from-home-forever/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-50-work-from-home-forever/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 May 2020 07:25:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As we enter the third month of varying degrees of sheltering in place due to COVID-19, we are checking in with our friends and colleagues who are working from home as a result of this situation.</p>
<p>Inspired by <a href='https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/never-go-back-office/611830/'>this article from The Atlantic</a>, we wonder how will a long-term work from home policy affect your day-to-day activities? What is the impact on the sectors supported by people working in office complexes? How will it affect work-life for all of us?</p>
<p>It’s a fun and interesting discussion. Let us know what you think at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we enter the third month of varying degrees of sheltering in place due to COVID-19, we are checking in with our friends and colleagues who are working from home as a result of this situation.</p>
<p>Inspired by <a href='https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/05/never-go-back-office/611830/'>this article from The Atlantic</a>, we wonder how will a long-term work from home policy affect your day-to-day activities? What is the impact on the sectors supported by people working in office complexes? How will it affect work-life for all of us?</p>
<p>It’s a fun and interesting discussion. Let us know what you think at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As we enter the third month of varying degrees of sheltering in place due to COVID-19, we are checking in with our friends and colleagues who are working from home as a result of this situation.
Inspired by this article from The Atlantic, we wonder how will a long-term work from home policy affect your day-to-day activities? What is the impact on the sectors supported by people working in office complexes? How will it affect work-life for all of us?
It’s a fun and interesting discussion. Let us know what you think at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1459</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>52</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/Episode_50_1500px_8t1mu.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 49: Connection and Community</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 49: Connection and Community</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-49-connection-and-community/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-49-connection-and-community/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2020 06:07:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>How’s your support system? During this time of COVID-19 it’s more important than ever to cultivate your existing network and seek to grow it in authentic and meaningful ways.</p>
<p>This is the perfect time to reflect remember how much we gain from connecting with others. We have this opportunity to learn from each other and grow and create community. Community is what will get us through this crisis (Shout out to the savvy smarties at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/payment-processing-solutions-for-solo-pr-pros/'>SoloPRPro</a>!)</p>
<p>If you feel as though you don’t have a community to access, why not create one?</p>
<p>We want to know what you think! Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How’s your support system? During this time of COVID-19 it’s more important than ever to cultivate your existing network and seek to grow it in authentic and meaningful ways.</p>
<p>This is the perfect time to reflect remember how much we gain from connecting with others. We have this opportunity to learn from each other and grow and create community. Community is what will get us through this crisis (Shout out to the savvy smarties at <a href='https://soloprpro.com/payment-processing-solutions-for-solo-pr-pros/'>SoloPRPro</a>!)</p>
<p>If you feel as though you don’t have a community to access, why not create one?</p>
<p>We want to know what you think! Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[How’s your support system? During this time of COVID-19 it’s more important than ever to cultivate your existing network and seek to grow it in authentic and meaningful ways.
This is the perfect time to reflect remember how much we gain from connecting with others. We have this opportunity to learn from each other and grow and create community. Community is what will get us through this crisis (Shout out to the savvy smarties at SoloPRPro!)
If you feel as though you don’t have a community to access, why not create one?
We want to know what you think! Let us know at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1427</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 48: Tech Tools We Love</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 48: Tech Tools We Love</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-48-tech-tools-we-love/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-48-tech-tools-we-love/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2020 06:50:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We PR pros love a good tech tool. Don’t you? We are fans of any platform or app that can help us work more efficiently so today we discuss some of our current favorites:</p>
<p>Social Media Management</p>
<p><a href='https://www.loomly.com/'>Loomly</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.postplanner.com/'>Post Planner</a></p>
<p><a href='https://hootsuite.com/'>Hootsuite</a></p>
<p><a href='https://business.facebook.com/creatorstudio/'>Facebook Creator Studio</a></p>
<p>Transcription</p>
<p><a href='https://www.temi.com/'>Temi.com</a></p>
<p><a href='https://otter.ai/login'>Otter</a></p>
<p>Screen Captures & Screen Video Recording</p>
<p><a href='https://nimbusweb.me/screenshot.php'>Nimbus</a></p>
<p>Virtual Meeting Scheduler</p>
<p><a href='https://x.ai/'>X.ai</a></p>
<p>Online Payment (<a href='https://soloprpro.com/payment-processing-solutions-for-solo-pr-pros/'>Here is the complete blog.</a>)</p>
<p><a href='https://checkbook.io/'>Checkbook</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.plastiq.com/'>Plastiq</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.remitly.com/us/en'>Remitly</a></p>
<p><a href='https://stripe.com/'>Stripe</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.aeropay.com/'>Aeropay</a></p>
<p>I.T. Support</p>
<p><a href='https://instanthousecall.com/'>Instant Housecall</a></p>
<p>Productivity & Focus</p>
<p><a href='https://coffitivity.com/'>Coffitivity</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.brain.fm/'>Brain.fm</a></p>
<p>Proposals</p>
<p><a href='https://www.proposify.com/'>Proposify</a></p>
<p>What are your current favorite tools? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We PR pros love a good tech tool. Don’t you? We are fans of any platform or app that can help us work more efficiently so today we discuss some of our current favorites:</p>
<p>Social Media Management</p>
<p><a href='https://www.loomly.com/'>Loomly</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.postplanner.com/'>Post Planner</a></p>
<p><a href='https://hootsuite.com/'>Hootsuite</a></p>
<p><a href='https://business.facebook.com/creatorstudio/'>Facebook Creator Studio</a></p>
<p>Transcription</p>
<p><a href='https://www.temi.com/'>Temi.com</a></p>
<p><a href='https://otter.ai/login'>Otter</a></p>
<p>Screen Captures & Screen Video Recording</p>
<p><a href='https://nimbusweb.me/screenshot.php'>Nimbus</a></p>
<p>Virtual Meeting Scheduler</p>
<p><a href='https://x.ai/'>X.ai</a></p>
<p>Online Payment (<a href='https://soloprpro.com/payment-processing-solutions-for-solo-pr-pros/'>Here is the complete blog.</a>)</p>
<p><a href='https://checkbook.io/'>Checkbook</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.plastiq.com/'>Plastiq</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.remitly.com/us/en'>Remitly</a></p>
<p><a href='https://stripe.com/'>Stripe</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.aeropay.com/'>Aeropay</a></p>
<p>I.T. Support</p>
<p><a href='https://instanthousecall.com/'>Instant Housecall</a></p>
<p>Productivity & Focus</p>
<p><a href='https://coffitivity.com/'>Coffitivity</a></p>
<p><a href='https://www.brain.fm/'>Brain.fm</a></p>
<p>Proposals</p>
<p><a href='https://www.proposify.com/'>Proposify</a></p>
<p>What are your current favorite tools? Let us know at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We PR pros love a good tech tool. Don’t you? We are fans of any platform or app that can help us work more efficiently so today we discuss some of our current favorites:
Social Media Management
Loomly
Post Planner
Hootsuite
Facebook Creator Studio
Transcription
Temi.com
Otter
Screen Captures & Screen Video Recording
Nimbus
Virtual Meeting Scheduler
X.ai
Online Payment (Here is the complete blog.)
Checkbook
Plastiq
Remitly
Stripe
Aeropay
I.T. Support
Instant Housecall
Productivity & Focus
Coffitivity
Brain.fm
Proposals
Proposify
What are your current favorite tools? Let us know at soloprpro.com]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1764</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>50</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 47: Do You Really Need a Website?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 47: Do You Really Need a Website?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-47-do-you-really-need-a-website/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-47-do-you-really-need-a-website/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 04 May 2020 06:04:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>With so many options for your business to have a presence online – Facebook, LinkedIn, Medium, Twitter, Alignable, and more – do you really need a website?</p>
<p>We say, “Yes!” A website is the online presence that you own – you pay for the domain name registration and hosting; you have full control over the content.</p>
<p>Social media is space you “rent” in that you rely on that platform to stay in business and allow you to present your information in the way that suits you.</p>
<p>You need both a website as your home base and you also need to use social media in a way that integrates with your content. You want to drive traffic from your social media channels to your website, where, ideally, you’re giving your web visitors something to do like signing up for your e-news or going on your desired buyer’s journey.</p>
<p>What is your favorite website platform? Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With so many options for your business to have a presence online – Facebook, LinkedIn, Medium, Twitter, Alignable, and more – do you really need a website?</p>
<p>We say, “Yes!” A website is the online presence that you own – you pay for the domain name registration and hosting; you have full control over the content.</p>
<p>Social media is space you “rent” in that you rely on that platform to stay in business and allow you to present your information in the way that suits you.</p>
<p>You need both a website as your home base and you also need to use social media in a way that integrates with your content. You want to drive traffic from your social media channels to your website, where, ideally, you’re giving your web visitors something to do like signing up for your e-news or going on your desired buyer’s journey.</p>
<p>What is your favorite website platform? Share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[With so many options for your business to have a presence online – Facebook, LinkedIn, Medium, Twitter, Alignable, and more – do you really need a website?
We say, “Yes!” A website is the online presence that you own – you pay for the domain name registration and hosting; you have full control over the content.
Social media is space you “rent” in that you rely on that platform to stay in business and allow you to present your information in the way that suits you.
You need both a website as your home base and you also need to use social media in a way that integrates with your content. You want to drive traffic from your social media channels to your website, where, ideally, you’re giving your web visitors something to do like signing up for your e-news or going on your desired buyer’s journey.
What is your favorite website platform? Share with us at soloprpro.com]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1632</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>49</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 46: Looking Forward</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 46: Looking Forward</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-46-looking-forward-1587770860/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-46-looking-forward-1587770860/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2020 07:14:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We are still in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis but we are at the point where we are starting to think about re-entry from quarantine. “Normal” is still a long way off so our responsibility as communications professionals is to guide our clients through this and to the opportunities that exist. And yes, there are opportunities to do business in creative – yes, even lucrative – ways and continue creating a loyal community of customers.</p>
<p>Likewise, for our own businesses, how must we pivot to best serve our existing clients and gain new business?</p>
<p>What methods are you having success with as you work your way through this crisis? Please share them with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are still in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis but we are at the point where we are starting to think about re-entry from quarantine. “Normal” is still a long way off so our responsibility as communications professionals is to guide our clients through this and to the opportunities that exist. And yes, there are opportunities to do business in creative – yes, even lucrative – ways and continue creating a loyal community of customers.</p>
<p>Likewise, for our own businesses, how must we pivot to best serve our existing clients and gain new business?</p>
<p>What methods are you having success with as you work your way through this crisis? Please share them with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We are still in the midst of the COVID-19 crisis but we are at the point where we are starting to think about re-entry from quarantine. “Normal” is still a long way off so our responsibility as communications professionals is to guide our clients through this and to the opportunities that exist. And yes, there are opportunities to do business in creative – yes, even lucrative – ways and continue creating a loyal community of customers.
Likewise, for our own businesses, how must we pivot to best serve our existing clients and gain new business?
What methods are you having success with as you work your way through this crisis? Please share them with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1397</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>48</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Episode_46_1500px.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 45: Leading through Crisis with Ken Byler of Higher Ground Consulting Group, LLC</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 45: Leading through Crisis with Ken Byler of Higher Ground Consulting Group, LLC</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-45-leading-through-crisis-with-ken-byler-of-higher-ground-consulting-group-llc/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-45-leading-through-crisis-with-ken-byler-of-higher-ground-consulting-group-llc/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2020 05:56:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As PR Pros, we’re used to managing crises. But COVID-19 is a crisis like no other, upending so much in our work and personal lives. How do we make sure we’re providing the leadership our clients, colleagues, and peers need from us while also practicing the self-care we need to keep going?</p>
<p>Ken Byler, a Leadership Guide with his own practice, <a href='https://highergroundcg.com/'>Higher Ground Consulting Group</a>, joins us to share tactics we can begin using right now as we make our way through this time in our lives. </p>
<p>Ken has been coaching his clients to view this is an opportunity to define who you’re going to become as a leader. We’re PR people so this opportunity is exciting for us!</p>
<p>How are you using this time to help lead your clients? Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> and if you’d like to receive additional leadership information and news from Ken, sign up for his <a href='https://highergroundcg.com/'>e-news</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As PR Pros, we’re used to managing crises. But COVID-19 is a crisis like no other, upending so much in our work and personal lives. How do we make sure we’re providing the leadership our clients, colleagues, and peers need from us while also practicing the self-care we need to keep going?</p>
<p>Ken Byler, a Leadership Guide with his own practice, <a href='https://highergroundcg.com/'>Higher Ground Consulting Group</a>, joins us to share tactics we can begin using right now as we make our way through this time in our lives. </p>
<p>Ken has been coaching his clients to view this is an opportunity to define who you’re going to become as a leader. We’re PR people so this opportunity is exciting for us!</p>
<p>How are you using this time to help lead your clients? Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> and if you’d like to receive additional leadership information and news from Ken, sign up for his <a href='https://highergroundcg.com/'>e-news</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As PR Pros, we’re used to managing crises. But COVID-19 is a crisis like no other, upending so much in our work and personal lives. How do we make sure we’re providing the leadership our clients, colleagues, and peers need from us while also practicing the self-care we need to keep going?
Ken Byler, a Leadership Guide with his own practice, Higher Ground Consulting Group, joins us to share tactics we can begin using right now as we make our way through this time in our lives. 
Ken has been coaching his clients to view this is an opportunity to define who you’re going to become as a leader. We’re PR people so this opportunity is exciting for us!
How are you using this time to help lead your clients? Please share with us at soloprpro.com and if you’d like to receive additional leadership information and news from Ken, sign up for his e-news.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>170</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>47</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 44: COVID-19 Business Relief Resources for the Solo PR Pro </title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 44: COVID-19 Business Relief Resources for the Solo PR Pro </itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-44-covid-19-business-relief-resources-for-the-solo-pr-pro/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-44-covid-19-business-relief-resources-for-the-solo-pr-pro/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2020 06:32:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we discuss the various financial resources available to solos and small businesses with the CARES Act, including the Paycheck Protection Program, EIDL, Bridge Express Loans, and other programs from the <a href='https://www.sba.gov/page/coronavirus-covid-19-small-business-guidance-loan-resources'>SBA</a>, and the expansion of unemployment compensation to include the self-employed. Regarding the latter, if anything, we hope this may bring the government up to speed with recognition of impact of the self-employed on the U.S. economy. This is especially true for our fellow solos affected by situations like AB-5 in California, which blocks their ability to access this relief.</p>
<p>Even in the timespan from recording this episode (Wednesday, April 8, 2020) to its release (Monday, April 11, 2020), the availability of these relief programs has been in a state of flux. The EIDL was supposed to provide a grant of $10,000 to small business applicants and now perhaps only $1,000 per employee. We expect that as you read this, things will have changed yet again.</p>
<p>So, what’s a solo to do?</p>
<ul><li>Consult with this resource from MBO Partners – <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/cares-act-independents/'>The CARES Act: What Independents Need to Know</a></li>
<li>Consult with your accountant on the best options for your business.</li>
<li>Let your state and federal representatives know what you’re experiencing and the changes that might benefit your business. Do what we PR pros do best – raise awareness and educate.</li>
<li>Map out a plan for your current clients. Be proactive as the resource to guide them through this situation.</li>
<li>Continue to work on business development. Yes, you can still get new clients even in this time.</li>
</ul>
<p> Tell us your experience so far. Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we discuss the various financial resources available to solos and small businesses with the CARES Act, including the Paycheck Protection Program, EIDL, Bridge Express Loans, and other programs from the <a href='https://www.sba.gov/page/coronavirus-covid-19-small-business-guidance-loan-resources'>SBA</a>, and the expansion of unemployment compensation to include the self-employed. Regarding the latter, if anything, we hope this may bring the government up to speed with recognition of impact of the self-employed on the U.S. economy. This is especially true for our fellow solos affected by situations like AB-5 in California, which blocks their ability to access this relief.</p>
<p>Even in the timespan from recording this episode (Wednesday, April 8, 2020) to its release (Monday, April 11, 2020), the availability of these relief programs has been in a state of flux. The EIDL was supposed to provide a grant of $10,000 to small business applicants and now perhaps only $1,000 per employee. We expect that as you read this, things will have changed yet again.</p>
<p>So, what’s a solo to do?</p>
<ul><li>Consult with this resource from MBO Partners – <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/cares-act-independents/'>The CARES Act: What Independents Need to Know</a></li>
<li>Consult with your accountant on the best options for your business.</li>
<li>Let your state and federal representatives know what you’re experiencing and the changes that might benefit your business. Do what we PR pros do best – raise awareness and educate.</li>
<li>Map out a plan for your current clients. Be proactive as the resource to guide them through this situation.</li>
<li>Continue to work on business development. Yes, you can still get new clients even in this time.</li>
</ul>
<p> Tell us your experience so far. Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we discuss the various financial resources available to solos and small businesses with the CARES Act, including the Paycheck Protection Program, EIDL, Bridge Express Loans, and other programs from the SBA, and the expansion of unemployment compensation to include the self-employed. Regarding the latter, if anything, we hope this may bring the government up to speed with recognition of impact of the self-employed on the U.S. economy. This is especially true for our fellow solos affected by situations like AB-5 in California, which blocks their ability to access this relief.
Even in the timespan from recording this episode (Wednesday, April 8, 2020) to its release (Monday, April 11, 2020), the availability of these relief programs has been in a state of flux. The EIDL was supposed to provide a grant of $10,000 to small business applicants and now perhaps only $1,000 per employee. We expect that as you read this, things will have changed yet again.
So, what’s a solo to do?
Consult with this resource from MBO Partners – The CARES Act: What Independents Need to Know
Consult with your accountant on the best options for your business.
Let your state and federal representatives know what you’re experiencing and the changes that might benefit your business. Do what we PR pros do best – raise awareness and educate.
Map out a plan for your current clients. Be proactive as the resource to guide them through this situation.
Continue to work on business development. Yes, you can still get new clients even in this time.
 Tell us your experience so far. Please share with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1791</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>46</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 43: That Solo Life: Quarantine Pep Talk - How Are You Doing?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 43: That Solo Life: Quarantine Pep Talk - How Are You Doing?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/that-solo-life-quarantine-pep-talk-how-are-you-doing/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/that-solo-life-quarantine-pep-talk-how-are-you-doing/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2020 06:39:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we want to know: How are you? Really. How are you doing? Life is a lot these days with the emotion and uncertainty around the COVID-19 crisis. Economic relief is starting to become available. If you haven’t had a chance, visit the SBA website with the <a href='https://www.sba.gov/page/coronavirus-covid-19-small-business-guidance-loan-resources'>COVID-19 programs</a>.</p>
<p>It’s important to not allow this period of uncertainty to become paralyzing. Believe us when we say there is a way to cultivate business, even now. Be helpful, be empathetic, be open to new possibilities.</p>
<p>And please, please, please, practice good self-care. Be aware of your news diet. Stay informed but try not to marinate it. Get some physical movement in each day. Try an app like Headspace to calm your mind. And if you think you need someone to speak with for your mental health, please do so. There are many online resources available so that you don’t need to feel alone during this time of physical isolation.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you. How are you using this time in positive ways? Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we want to know: How are you? Really. How are you doing? Life is a lot these days with the emotion and uncertainty around the COVID-19 crisis. Economic relief is starting to become available. If you haven’t had a chance, visit the SBA website with the <a href='https://www.sba.gov/page/coronavirus-covid-19-small-business-guidance-loan-resources'>COVID-19 programs</a>.</p>
<p>It’s important to not allow this period of uncertainty to become paralyzing. Believe us when we say there is a way to cultivate business, even now. Be helpful, be empathetic, be open to new possibilities.</p>
<p>And please, please, please, practice good self-care. Be aware of your news diet. Stay informed but try not to marinate it. Get some physical movement in each day. Try an app like Headspace to calm your mind. And if you think you need someone to speak with for your mental health, please do so. There are many online resources available so that you don’t need to feel alone during this time of physical isolation.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you. How are you using this time in positive ways? Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we want to know: How are you? Really. How are you doing? Life is a lot these days with the emotion and uncertainty around the COVID-19 crisis. Economic relief is starting to become available. If you haven’t had a chance, visit the SBA website with the COVID-19 programs.
It’s important to not allow this period of uncertainty to become paralyzing. Believe us when we say there is a way to cultivate business, even now. Be helpful, be empathetic, be open to new possibilities.
And please, please, please, practice good self-care. Be aware of your news diet. Stay informed but try not to marinate it. Get some physical movement in each day. Try an app like Headspace to calm your mind. And if you think you need someone to speak with for your mental health, please do so. There are many online resources available so that you don’t need to feel alone during this time of physical isolation.
We want to hear from you. How are you using this time in positive ways? Please share with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1353</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>45</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 42: Quarantine Check-in</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 42: Quarantine Check-in</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-42-quarantine-check-in/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-42-quarantine-check-in/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2020 06:36:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we are checking in with YOU! We hope you are well and enjoy this conversation about the ongoing effects of COVID-19 on our business lives, our personal lives, and the world. From the relief available for independent contractors and the self-employed to suddenly having co-workers in the form of spouses now working from home, we cover it all.</p>
<p>How are you navigating this new landscape? We’d love to hear your stories. Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we are checking in with YOU! We hope you are well and enjoy this conversation about the ongoing effects of COVID-19 on our business lives, our personal lives, and the world. From the relief available for independent contractors and the self-employed to suddenly having co-workers in the form of spouses now working from home, we cover it all.</p>
<p>How are you navigating this new landscape? We’d love to hear your stories. Please share with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of That Solo Life, we are checking in with YOU! We hope you are well and enjoy this conversation about the ongoing effects of COVID-19 on our business lives, our personal lives, and the world. From the relief available for independent contractors and the self-employed to suddenly having co-workers in the form of spouses now working from home, we cover it all.
How are you navigating this new landscape? We’d love to hear your stories. Please share with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1311</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>44</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 41: Working in a COVID-19 World</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 41: Working in a COVID-19 World</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-41-working-in-a-covid-19-world/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-41-working-in-a-covid-19-world/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:14:49 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We remain in the thick of a COVID-19 world, where change comes by the day, even by the hour.</p>
<p>Many of us who normally work from a home office as solos have gained new colleagues, with family members working from home and children home from school. How’s that going?</p>
<p>We find ourselves busier than ever working to keep our clients’ constituencies informed yet with an eye on what this means for the economy and our businesses in the long run.</p>
<p>Self-care is more important than ever. Be conscious of your intake – mentally and physically. Let’s face it, we’re stuck at home with snacks. Treat yourself but also take time to get outside.</p>
<p>This is also the time to support our fellow small businesses. Buying gift cards or placing take-out orders is a great place to start. We are also conscious about looking out for our neighbors, especially the elderly.</p>
<p>We are realistic yet optimistic for what these new methods of work and communication might mean for the future. What innovation and opportunity might be in store where businesses can not only bounce back from this, but thrive at higher levels?</p>
<p>Time will tell but until then, we are here with you and for you.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Please share your experiences with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We remain in the thick of a COVID-19 world, where change comes by the day, even by the hour.</p>
<p>Many of us who normally work from a home office as solos have gained new colleagues, with family members working from home and children home from school. How’s that going?</p>
<p>We find ourselves busier than ever working to keep our clients’ constituencies informed yet with an eye on what this means for the economy and our businesses in the long run.</p>
<p>Self-care is more important than ever. Be conscious of your intake – mentally and physically. Let’s face it, we’re stuck at home with snacks. Treat yourself but also take time to get outside.</p>
<p>This is also the time to support our fellow small businesses. Buying gift cards or placing take-out orders is a great place to start. We are also conscious about looking out for our neighbors, especially the elderly.</p>
<p>We are realistic yet optimistic for what these new methods of work and communication might mean for the future. What innovation and opportunity might be in store where businesses can not only bounce back from this, but thrive at higher levels?</p>
<p>Time will tell but until then, we are here with you and for you.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Please share your experiences with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We remain in the thick of a COVID-19 world, where change comes by the day, even by the hour.
Many of us who normally work from a home office as solos have gained new colleagues, with family members working from home and children home from school. How’s that going?
We find ourselves busier than ever working to keep our clients’ constituencies informed yet with an eye on what this means for the economy and our businesses in the long run.
Self-care is more important than ever. Be conscious of your intake – mentally and physically. Let’s face it, we’re stuck at home with snacks. Treat yourself but also take time to get outside.
This is also the time to support our fellow small businesses. Buying gift cards or placing take-out orders is a great place to start. We are also conscious about looking out for our neighbors, especially the elderly.
We are realistic yet optimistic for what these new methods of work and communication might mean for the future. What innovation and opportunity might be in store where businesses can not only bounce back from this, but thrive at higher levels?
Time will tell but until then, we are here with you and for you.
We’d love to hear from you! Please share your experiences with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1623</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>43</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 40: Navigating Business and COVID-19</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 40: Navigating Business and COVID-19</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-40-navigating-business-and-covid-19/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-40-navigating-business-and-covid-19/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2020 05:38:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The arrival of COVID-19 has brought with it unique challenges for the business world and our communities across the globe. What does this mean for our businesses? For the normality of our lives? As of the recording of this podcast (on Wednesday, March 11, 2020), we are in taking things day-by-day mode, dealing with the progressing scenario.</p>
<p>Rather than approach this event with fear, Solo PR Pro’s Karen Swim says, “Every challenge presents an opportunity for growth and improvement.” We hope this episode is helpful to you as we discuss ways to counsel our clients through this global crisis, demonstrating our value as PR Pros, and ways for you to maintain your personal and business health.</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>SoloPRPro.com</a> is here for you, with the following resources and more to come:</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/covid-19-resources/'>COVID-19 Resources</a></p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/covid-19-and-crisis-communications/'>COVID-19 and Crisis Communications</a></p>
<p>How are you working your way through the challenge presented by COVID-19. Please share your experiences with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrival of COVID-19 has brought with it unique challenges for the business world and our communities across the globe. What does this mean for our businesses? For the normality of our lives? As of the recording of this podcast (on Wednesday, March 11, 2020), we are in taking things day-by-day mode, dealing with the progressing scenario.</p>
<p>Rather than approach this event with fear, Solo PR Pro’s Karen Swim says, “Every challenge presents an opportunity for growth and improvement.” We hope this episode is helpful to you as we discuss ways to counsel our clients through this global crisis, demonstrating our value as PR Pros, and ways for you to maintain your personal and business health.</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/'>SoloPRPro.com</a> is here for you, with the following resources and more to come:</p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/covid-19-resources/'>COVID-19 Resources</a></p>
<p><a href='https://soloprpro.com/covid-19-and-crisis-communications/'>COVID-19 and Crisis Communications</a></p>
<p>How are you working your way through the challenge presented by COVID-19. Please share your experiences with us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The arrival of COVID-19 has brought with it unique challenges for the business world and our communities across the globe. What does this mean for our businesses? For the normality of our lives? As of the recording of this podcast (on Wednesday, March 11, 2020), we are in taking things day-by-day mode, dealing with the progressing scenario.
Rather than approach this event with fear, Solo PR Pro’s Karen Swim says, “Every challenge presents an opportunity for growth and improvement.” We hope this episode is helpful to you as we discuss ways to counsel our clients through this global crisis, demonstrating our value as PR Pros, and ways for you to maintain your personal and business health.
SoloPRPro.com is here for you, with the following resources and more to come:
COVID-19 Resources
COVID-19 and Crisis Communications
How are you working your way through the challenge presented by COVID-19. Please share your experiences with us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1262</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>42</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 39: Corporate Speak. Garbage Speak.</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 39: Corporate Speak. Garbage Speak.</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-39-corporate-speak-garbage-speak/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-39-corporate-speak-garbage-speak/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2020 06:58:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Let’s circle back and level-set to reach the business-critical ask.</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Corporate speak. Why do corporations speak the way they do?</p>
<p>Two recent articles, which we've been discussing in the Solo PR Pro Members' Facebook Group, brought this to mind:</p>
<ul><li>Molly Young, Vulture.com: <a href='https://www.vulture.com/2020/02/spread-of-corporate-speak.html?fbclid=IwAR2Io_VViKT7YV11gPbqeKgLhVv6u_bgZi4Y8TOkwu0_aMRSgltxz0PDTfI'>Garbage Language Why Do Corporations Speak the Way They Do?</a></li>
<li>Olga Khazan, The Atlantic: <a href='https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/most-annoying-corporate-buzzwords/606748/?fbclid=IwAR19MmgXNAKklglTNhsBRIqLE6hTcp_Vj7l4SxP3Pr39IqhWoHk1Tt3Kj5c'>Corporate Buzzwords Are How Workers Pretend to Be Adults</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Why does the business world feel the need to complicate communication to this degree, and how can we, as communications pros, make sure that clarity wins?</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your take on this. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let’s circle back and level-set to reach the business-critical ask.</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Right.</p>
<p>Corporate speak. Why do corporations speak the way they do?</p>
<p>Two recent articles, which we've been discussing in the Solo PR Pro Members' Facebook Group, brought this to mind:</p>
<ul><li>Molly Young, Vulture.com: <a href='https://www.vulture.com/2020/02/spread-of-corporate-speak.html?fbclid=IwAR2Io_VViKT7YV11gPbqeKgLhVv6u_bgZi4Y8TOkwu0_aMRSgltxz0PDTfI'>Garbage Language Why Do Corporations Speak the Way They Do?</a></li>
<li>Olga Khazan, The Atlantic: <a href='https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/02/most-annoying-corporate-buzzwords/606748/?fbclid=IwAR19MmgXNAKklglTNhsBRIqLE6hTcp_Vj7l4SxP3Pr39IqhWoHk1Tt3Kj5c'>Corporate Buzzwords Are How Workers Pretend to Be Adults</a></li>
</ul>
<p>Why does the business world feel the need to complicate communication to this degree, and how can we, as communications pros, make sure that clarity wins?</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your take on this. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Let’s circle back and level-set to reach the business-critical ask.
What?
Right.
Corporate speak. Why do corporations speak the way they do?
Two recent articles, which we've been discussing in the Solo PR Pro Members' Facebook Group, brought this to mind:
Molly Young, Vulture.com: Garbage Language Why Do Corporations Speak the Way They Do?
Olga Khazan, The Atlantic: Corporate Buzzwords Are How Workers Pretend to Be Adults
Why does the business world feel the need to complicate communication to this degree, and how can we, as communications pros, make sure that clarity wins?
We’d love to hear your take on this. Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1482</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>41</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Episode_39_1500px.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 38: Invest in Yourself with Professional Development</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 38: Invest in Yourself with Professional Development</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-38-invest-in-yourself-with-professional-development/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-38-invest-in-yourself-with-professional-development/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2020 06:34:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>From webinars to conferences, blogs to heading back to the classroom, there are many ways for us to invest in ourselves and our work with ongoing professional development.</p>
<p>It’s important to remember:</p>
<ul><li>Don’t be deterred if you can’t afford an expensive conference right away. There are many smaller, more cost-effective opportunities, in-person and online.</li>
<li>The professional development you pursue doesn’t have to be PR-centric. Maybe it’s a creative writing conference, or a series on digital marketing.</li>
<li>If you and a colleague are attending different conferences, share notes.</li>
<li>Follow conference or subject area hashtags.</li>
</ul>
<p>What are your favorite ways to keep your PR tools sharpened? We’d love to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From webinars to conferences, blogs to heading back to the classroom, there are many ways for us to invest in ourselves and our work with ongoing professional development.</p>
<p>It’s important to remember:</p>
<ul><li>Don’t be deterred if you can’t afford an expensive conference right away. There are many smaller, more cost-effective opportunities, in-person and online.</li>
<li>The professional development you pursue doesn’t have to be PR-centric. Maybe it’s a creative writing conference, or a series on digital marketing.</li>
<li>If you and a colleague are attending different conferences, share notes.</li>
<li>Follow conference or subject area hashtags.</li>
</ul>
<p>What are your favorite ways to keep your PR tools sharpened? We’d love to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[From webinars to conferences, blogs to heading back to the classroom, there are many ways for us to invest in ourselves and our work with ongoing professional development.
It’s important to remember:
Don’t be deterred if you can’t afford an expensive conference right away. There are many smaller, more cost-effective opportunities, in-person and online.
The professional development you pursue doesn’t have to be PR-centric. Maybe it’s a creative writing conference, or a series on digital marketing.
If you and a colleague are attending different conferences, share notes.
Follow conference or subject area hashtags.
What are your favorite ways to keep your PR tools sharpened? We’d love to know! Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1550</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>40</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Episode_38_1500px.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 37: Decision Fatigue</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 37: Decision Fatigue</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-37-decision-fatigue/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-37-decision-fatigue/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 06:56:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As communications professionals our workdays are full of decisions. From making decisions in the best interests of our clients to making decisions about our businesses, some days there is little bandwidth left over for the simplest of choices, like what to eat for lunch or what to wear on any given day. Is this you? Then listen so you know you're not alone and to get some ideas on how to evade this feeling.</p>
<p>How do you combat decision fatigue? We’d love to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As communications professionals our workdays are full of decisions. From making decisions in the best interests of our clients to making decisions about our businesses, some days there is little bandwidth left over for the simplest of choices, like what to eat for lunch or what to wear on any given day. Is this you? Then listen so you know you're not alone and to get some ideas on how to evade this feeling.</p>
<p>How do you combat decision fatigue? We’d love to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As communications professionals our workdays are full of decisions. From making decisions in the best interests of our clients to making decisions about our businesses, some days there is little bandwidth left over for the simplest of choices, like what to eat for lunch or what to wear on any given day. Is this you? Then listen so you know you're not alone and to get some ideas on how to evade this feeling.
How do you combat decision fatigue? We’d love to hear from you. Visit us at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1526</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>39</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Episode_37_1500px.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 36: A Conversation with Gene Zaino of MBO Partners on Navigating AB5 &amp; other New Labor Legislation</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 36: A Conversation with Gene Zaino of MBO Partners on Navigating AB5 &amp; other New Labor Legislation</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-36-a-conversation-with-gene-zaino-of-mbo-partners-on-navigating-ab5-other-new-labor-legislation/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-36-a-conversation-with-gene-zaino-of-mbo-partners-on-navigating-ab5-other-new-labor-legislation/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2020 06:09:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, we are thrilled to have as our guest Gene Zaino, founder and executive chairman of <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/'>MBO Partners</a>, a company he launched to reinvent the way independent consultants and organizations work together. Gene is a nationally-recognized expert in the next way of working and he joins us today to discuss the impact of recent legislation -- in California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and most recently the Federal level with the Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2019 -- on the state of the independent worker.</p>
<p>Listen to learn what impact this legislation may have on your work as an independent contractor, the proactive steps you can take, and what’s next in a business reality based on the work of employees and independent contractors.</p>
<p>Stay up to date on this issue and all of the elements of working as a “solo” at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, we are thrilled to have as our guest Gene Zaino, founder and executive chairman of <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/'>MBO Partners</a>, a company he launched to reinvent the way independent consultants and organizations work together. Gene is a nationally-recognized expert in the next way of working and he joins us today to discuss the impact of recent legislation -- in California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and most recently the Federal level with the Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2019 -- on the state of the independent worker.</p>
<p>Listen to learn what impact this legislation may have on your work as an independent contractor, the proactive steps you can take, and what’s next in a business reality based on the work of employees and independent contractors.</p>
<p>Stay up to date on this issue and all of the elements of working as a “solo” at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today, we are thrilled to have as our guest Gene Zaino, founder and executive chairman of MBO Partners, a company he launched to reinvent the way independent consultants and organizations work together. Gene is a nationally-recognized expert in the next way of working and he joins us today to discuss the impact of recent legislation -- in California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and most recently the Federal level with the Protecting the Right to Organize Act of 2019 -- on the state of the independent worker.
Listen to learn what impact this legislation may have on your work as an independent contractor, the proactive steps you can take, and what’s next in a business reality based on the work of employees and independent contractors.
Stay up to date on this issue and all of the elements of working as a “solo” at soloprpro.com.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1636</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>38</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Ep_36.png" />    </item>
    <item>
        <title>Episode 35: Love Your Business</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 35: Love Your Business</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-35-love-your-business/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-35-love-your-business/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2020 06:54:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>L-O-V-E – Love! Since this episode falls near Valentine’s Day we decided to talk about the ways you love your work, your business, your solo life! 2020 has already presented its own challenges -- AB5 and its Federal counterpart the PROAct, it’s an election year, and more. Join us and get some ideas on how to keep the spark.</p>
<p>How do you show love for your business? We want to know!  Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to share.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L-O-V-E – Love! Since this episode falls near Valentine’s Day we decided to talk about the ways you love your work, your business, your solo life! 2020 has already presented its own challenges -- AB5 and its Federal counterpart the PROAct, it’s an election year, and more. Join us and get some ideas on how to keep the spark.</p>
<p>How do you show love for your business? We want to know!  Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to share.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
        <enclosure url="https://mcdn.podbean.com/mf/web/sireb7/SoloPRPro_ThatSoloLife_LoveYourBusiness_Ep35.mp3" length="21201513" type="audio/mpeg"/>
        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[L-O-V-E – Love! Since this episode falls near Valentine’s Day we decided to talk about the ways you love your work, your business, your solo life! 2020 has already presented its own challenges -- AB5 and its Federal counterpart the PROAct, it’s an election year, and more. Join us and get some ideas on how to keep the spark.
How do you show love for your business? We want to know!  Visit us at soloprpro.com to share.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1325</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>37</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
        <itunes:image href="https://pbcdn1.podbean.com/imglogo/ep-logo/pbblog5102357/That_Solo_Life_Episode_35_1500px.png" />    </item>
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        <title>Episode 34: Motivation and Momentum: Staying Sharp with Self-care</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 34: Motivation and Momentum: Staying Sharp with Self-care</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-34-motivation-and-momentum-staying-sharp-with-self-care/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-34-motivation-and-momentum-staying-sharp-with-self-care/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 03 Feb 2020 06:10:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>PR Pros, marketers, creatives, we know that much of our work requires “energy out” behavior. To stay mentally and physically healthy, we need to take the time to replenish bodies and minds.</p>
<p>It’s easy for negative thoughts to take hold if you are physically or mentally run down. It isn’t helped by the truth that many PR pros are wired to be overthinkers. It helps us succeed professionally but can also lead to unnecessary rumination.</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we share our experiences and talk about ways to make sure our cups remain full and we are equipped to enjoy our lives and succeed in our businesses.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love to hear from you. What self-care tips can you share?  Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PR Pros, marketers, creatives, we know that much of our work requires “energy out” behavior. To stay mentally and physically healthy, we need to take the time to replenish bodies and minds.</p>
<p>It’s easy for negative thoughts to take hold if you are physically or mentally run down. It isn’t helped by the truth that many PR pros are wired to be overthinkers. It helps us succeed professionally but can also lead to unnecessary rumination.</p>
<p>In today’s episode, we share our experiences and talk about ways to make sure our cups remain full and we are equipped to enjoy our lives and succeed in our businesses.</p>
<p>As always, we’d love to hear from you. What self-care tips can you share?  Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[PR Pros, marketers, creatives, we know that much of our work requires “energy out” behavior. To stay mentally and physically healthy, we need to take the time to replenish bodies and minds.
It’s easy for negative thoughts to take hold if you are physically or mentally run down. It isn’t helped by the truth that many PR pros are wired to be overthinkers. It helps us succeed professionally but can also lead to unnecessary rumination.
In today’s episode, we share our experiences and talk about ways to make sure our cups remain full and we are equipped to enjoy our lives and succeed in our businesses.
As always, we’d love to hear from you. What self-care tips can you share?  Visit us at soloprpro.com to let us know.]]></itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:episode>36</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 33: Who Reviews You? Getting Client Feedback and Measuring Personal Progress</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 33: Who Reviews You? Getting Client Feedback and Measuring Personal Progress</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-33-who-reviews-you-getting-client-feedback-and-measuring-personal-progress/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-33-who-reviews-you-getting-client-feedback-and-measuring-personal-progress/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2020 06:41:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Working for yourself is great, with many items in the “pro” column. Two of the potential challenges for many solo practitioners? Asking for client feedback and reviewing ourselves. In today’s episode, we discuss several ways to solicit this information from clients and put systems in place to measure our own professional progress.</p>
<p>How about you? How do you check in with your clients, with yourself, to make sure you are achieving goals and serving your clients well? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Working for yourself is great, with many items in the “pro” column. Two of the potential challenges for many solo practitioners? Asking for client feedback and reviewing ourselves. In today’s episode, we discuss several ways to solicit this information from clients and put systems in place to measure our own professional progress.</p>
<p>How about you? How do you check in with your clients, with yourself, to make sure you are achieving goals and serving your clients well? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Working for yourself is great, with many items in the “pro” column. Two of the potential challenges for many solo practitioners? Asking for client feedback and reviewing ourselves. In today’s episode, we discuss several ways to solicit this information from clients and put systems in place to measure our own professional progress.
How about you? How do you check in with your clients, with yourself, to make sure you are achieving goals and serving your clients well? Visit us at soloprpro.com to let us know.
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1421</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>35</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 32: Start-up Advice from Solo PR Pros</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 32: Start-up Advice from Solo PR Pros</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-32-start-up-advice-from-solo-pr-pros/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-32-start-up-advice-from-solo-pr-pros/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2020 06:31:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we give an update on how California Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5) is already penalizing solo entrepreneurs, independent workers, and small business owners and what you can do to prepare should similar legislation come your way.</p>
<p>Then we switch gears to share excellent advice from our brain trust of Solo PR Pro “smarties” who have so generously shared advice for anyone considering starting a business in PR, marketing, or any other field. We touch on a few points in this podcast and you can read all of them in <a href='https://soloprpro.com/start-up-advice-from-22-solo-pr-pros/'>this blog</a> on SoloPRPro.com.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! What advice would you give to someone starting a business? Or, maybe you have a question about an area we didn’t cover? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we give an update on how California Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5) is already penalizing solo entrepreneurs, independent workers, and small business owners and what you can do to prepare should similar legislation come your way.</p>
<p>Then we switch gears to share excellent advice from our brain trust of Solo PR Pro “smarties” who have so generously shared advice for anyone considering starting a business in PR, marketing, or any other field. We touch on a few points in this podcast and you can read all of them in <a href='https://soloprpro.com/start-up-advice-from-22-solo-pr-pros/'>this blog</a> on SoloPRPro.com.</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! What advice would you give to someone starting a business? Or, maybe you have a question about an area we didn’t cover? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to let us know.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of That Solo Life we give an update on how California Assembly Bill 5 (AB 5) is already penalizing solo entrepreneurs, independent workers, and small business owners and what you can do to prepare should similar legislation come your way.
Then we switch gears to share excellent advice from our brain trust of Solo PR Pro “smarties” who have so generously shared advice for anyone considering starting a business in PR, marketing, or any other field. We touch on a few points in this podcast and you can read all of them in this blog on SoloPRPro.com.
We want to hear from you! What advice would you give to someone starting a business? Or, maybe you have a question about an area we didn’t cover? Visit us at soloprpro.com to let us know.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1755</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>34</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 31: PR Pros Set Your 2020 Goals</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 31: PR Pros Set Your 2020 Goals</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-31-pr-pros-set-your-2020-goals/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-31-pr-pros-set-your-2020-goals/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2020 06:04:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>2020 is here. What do you want to achieve over the next 12 months? How will you get there? In today’s episode we discuss the importance of setting personal and professional goals and the many methods of achieving those goals.</p>
<p>What are your goals? How do you keep your momentum? We want to know - <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
<p>One of the ways to achieve your goals is to share them with your friends and peers. When you become a member of Solo PR Pro, you have access to our private Facebook group where we cheer each other on. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to learn more about the value of membership.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2020 is here. What do you want to achieve over the next 12 months? How will you get there? In today’s episode we discuss the importance of setting personal and professional goals and the many methods of achieving those goals.</p>
<p>What are your goals? How do you keep your momentum? We want to know - <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
<p>One of the ways to achieve your goals is to share them with your friends and peers. When you become a member of Solo PR Pro, you have access to our private Facebook group where we cheer each other on. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to learn more about the value of membership.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[2020 is here. What do you want to achieve over the next 12 months? How will you get there? In today’s episode we discuss the importance of setting personal and professional goals and the many methods of achieving those goals.
What are your goals? How do you keep your momentum? We want to know - contact us online to share your thoughts.
One of the ways to achieve your goals is to share them with your friends and peers. When you become a member of Solo PR Pro, you have access to our private Facebook group where we cheer each other on. Visit us at soloprpro.com to learn more about the value of membership.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1422</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>33</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 30: 2020 PR Career Trends</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 30: 2020 PR Career Trends</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-30-2020-pr-career-trends/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-30-2020-pr-career-trends/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2020 06:31:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>It’s a new year, the perfect time to look at what’s ahead and that’s just what the USC Annenberg Center for Public Relations has done with their newly-released piece, <a href='https://medium.com/@usccpr/the-top-public-relations-career-trends-of-2020-71bd208a965d'>The Top Public Relations Career Trends of 2020</a>. From the growing importance of data and analytics in PR to the need for PR pros to be creative in their work, learn how you can fine-tune your skillset to make 2020 a great year!</p>
<p>We’d like to thank Mary Barber of <a href='https://www.barbergp.com/'>The Barber Group</a> for sharing this article in our Solo PR Pro Premium Member Facebook group! Mary is one of the many active members of Solo PR Pro who bring new and useful news to our group. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to learn more about the value of membership.</p>
<p>We also want to know what you think about these trends – <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a new year, the perfect time to look at what’s ahead and that’s just what the USC Annenberg Center for Public Relations has done with their newly-released piece, <a href='https://medium.com/@usccpr/the-top-public-relations-career-trends-of-2020-71bd208a965d'>The Top Public Relations Career Trends of 2020</a>. From the growing importance of data and analytics in PR to the need for PR pros to be creative in their work, learn how you can fine-tune your skillset to make 2020 a great year!</p>
<p>We’d like to thank Mary Barber of <a href='https://www.barbergp.com/'>The Barber Group</a> for sharing this article in our Solo PR Pro Premium Member Facebook group! Mary is one of the many active members of Solo PR Pro who bring new and useful news to our group. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to learn more about the value of membership.</p>
<p>We also want to know what you think about these trends – <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[It’s a new year, the perfect time to look at what’s ahead and that’s just what the USC Annenberg Center for Public Relations has done with their newly-released piece, The Top Public Relations Career Trends of 2020. From the growing importance of data and analytics in PR to the need for PR pros to be creative in their work, learn how you can fine-tune your skillset to make 2020 a great year!
We’d like to thank Mary Barber of The Barber Group for sharing this article in our Solo PR Pro Premium Member Facebook group! Mary is one of the many active members of Solo PR Pro who bring new and useful news to our group. Visit us at soloprpro.com to learn more about the value of membership.
We also want to know what you think about these trends – contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1389</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>32</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 29: Solos at the Holidays - Reflect and Recharge</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 29: Solos at the Holidays - Reflect and Recharge</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-29-solos-at-the-holidays-reflect-and-recharge/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-29-solos-at-the-holidays-reflect-and-recharge/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Tue, 24 Dec 2019 10:40:27 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As we close out the year, no, wait, the DECADE, we take a moment to reflect on the past year, talk about ways Solos celebrate the holidays (Oh yes, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=739832773192674'>here is the link to the BBC’s self-employed holiday party video.</a>), and how to reset and recharge for 2020.</p>
<p>Want more Solo PR Pro? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As we close out the year, no, wait, the DECADE, we take a moment to reflect on the past year, talk about ways Solos celebrate the holidays (Oh yes, <a href='https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=739832773192674'>here is the link to the BBC’s self-employed holiday party video.</a>), and how to reset and recharge for 2020.</p>
<p>Want more Solo PR Pro? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
<p> </p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As we close out the year, no, wait, the DECADE, we take a moment to reflect on the past year, talk about ways Solos celebrate the holidays (Oh yes, here is the link to the BBC’s self-employed holiday party video.), and how to reset and recharge for 2020.
Want more Solo PR Pro? Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1240</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>31</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 28: Year-end Business Tips</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 28: Year-end Business Tips</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-28-year-end-business-tips-1576507160/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-28-year-end-business-tips-1576507160/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Dec 2019 09:39:20 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Hard to believe, but 2019 will soon come to a close. What does that mean for your business as you strive to end the year strong? From bookkeeping to budget projections, strategy to business development, we discuss ways to both close out the year with clarity and prepare for success in 2020.</p>
<p>What items are on your year-end business checklist? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to believe, but 2019 will soon come to a close. What does that mean for your business as you strive to end the year strong? From bookkeeping to budget projections, strategy to business development, we discuss ways to both close out the year with clarity and prepare for success in 2020.</p>
<p>What items are on your year-end business checklist? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Hard to believe, but 2019 will soon come to a close. What does that mean for your business as you strive to end the year strong? From bookkeeping to budget projections, strategy to business development, we discuss ways to both close out the year with clarity and prepare for success in 2020.
What items are on your year-end business checklist? Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1688</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>30</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 27: The Riches are in the Niches</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 27: The Riches are in the Niches</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-riches-are-in-the-niches/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/the-riches-are-in-the-niches/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Tue, 10 Dec 2019 12:30:21 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[In today's episode of That Solo Life we're joined by Caitlin Copple Masingill, the founder and president of <a href='https://fullswingpr.com/'>Full Swing Public Relations</a>, a micro-agency that helps women leaders to shape and share their stories. Today she shares how her business has flourished by targeting a niche that aligns with her talents and her purpose as well as refusing to accept work that does not align with the value of her work. Sounds good, doesn't it? Listen and learn how she does it. 
 
What are your tactics for building a business by targeting the right niches? We'd love to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[In today's episode of That Solo Life we're joined by Caitlin Copple Masingill, the founder and president of <a href='https://fullswingpr.com/'>Full Swing Public Relations</a>, a micro-agency that helps women leaders to shape and share their stories. Today she shares how her business has flourished by targeting a niche that aligns with her talents and her purpose as well as refusing to accept work that does not align with the value of her work. Sounds good, doesn't it? Listen and learn how she does it. 
 
What are your tactics for building a business by targeting the right niches? We'd love to hear from you. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today's episode of That Solo Life we're joined by Caitlin Copple Masingill, the founder and president of Full Swing Public Relations, a micro-agency that helps women leaders to shape and share their stories. Today she shares how her business has flourished by targeting a niche that aligns with her talents and her purpose as well as refusing to accept work that does not align with the value of her work. Sounds good, doesn't it? Listen and learn how she does it. 
 
What are your tactics for building a business by targeting the right niches? We'd love to hear from you. Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2191</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 26: 'Tis the Season for Client Gifting</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 26: 'Tis the Season for Client Gifting</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-26-tis-the-season-for-client-gifting/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-26-tis-the-season-for-client-gifting/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Sat, 30 Nov 2019 18:49:51 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The holidays are here and, just like Santa, PR Pros are checking their lists and checking them twice. If you purchase client gifts (and know that it is ok if you don’t), listen to this episode where we discuss our favorite ways to show our clients our appreciation at the holidays and throughout the year. </p>
<p>What clever and cool item have you sent your clients at the holidays? We want to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The holidays are here and, just like Santa, PR Pros are checking their lists and checking them twice. If you purchase client gifts (and know that it is ok if you don’t), listen to this episode where we discuss our favorite ways to show our clients our appreciation at the holidays and throughout the year. </p>
<p>What clever and cool item have you sent your clients at the holidays? We want to know! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The holidays are here and, just like Santa, PR Pros are checking their lists and checking them twice. If you purchase client gifts (and know that it is ok if you don’t), listen to this episode where we discuss our favorite ways to show our clients our appreciation at the holidays and throughout the year. 
What clever and cool item have you sent your clients at the holidays? We want to know! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1359</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 25: Gratitude</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 25: Gratitude</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-25-gratitude/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-25-gratitude/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 25 Nov 2019 05:37:00 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>As solo business owners, Karen and Michelle are grateful for a landscape and technology that allows for making a living as Michelle puts it, “with Wi-Fi and a dream.” In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle focus on this week of the Thanksgiving holiday with a conversation about gratitude.</p>
<p>What are you grateful for this Thanksgiving of 2019? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As solo business owners, Karen and Michelle are grateful for a landscape and technology that allows for making a living as Michelle puts it, “with Wi-Fi and a dream.” In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle focus on this week of the Thanksgiving holiday with a conversation about gratitude.</p>
<p>What are you grateful for this Thanksgiving of 2019? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[As solo business owners, Karen and Michelle are grateful for a landscape and technology that allows for making a living as Michelle puts it, “with Wi-Fi and a dream.” In this episode of That Solo Life, Karen and Michelle focus on this week of the Thanksgiving holiday with a conversation about gratitude.
What are you grateful for this Thanksgiving of 2019? Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 24: Tidings of Sanity and Joy - Planning for the 2019 Holidays</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 24: Tidings of Sanity and Joy - Planning for the 2019 Holidays</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-24-tidings-of-sanity-and-joy-planning-for-the-2019-holidays/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-24-tidings-of-sanity-and-joy-planning-for-the-2019-holidays/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2019 11:56:25 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The holidays bring an extra set of pressures, personally and professionally. How can you experience this holiday season with joy? Listen to this episode, where we discuss managing expectations (Isn’t it always about managing expectations?) and creating a mindset where we maintain our productivity in our business and allow room for the joy of the season.</p>
<p>How do you navigate the holiday season as a solo business owner? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The holidays bring an extra set of pressures, personally and professionally. How can you experience this holiday season with joy? Listen to this episode, where we discuss managing expectations (Isn’t it always about managing expectations?) and creating a mindset where we maintain our productivity in our business and allow room for the joy of the season.</p>
<p>How do you navigate the holiday season as a solo business owner? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The holidays bring an extra set of pressures, personally and professionally. How can you experience this holiday season with joy? Listen to this episode, where we discuss managing expectations (Isn’t it always about managing expectations?) and creating a mindset where we maintain our productivity in our business and allow room for the joy of the season.
How do you navigate the holiday season as a solo business owner? Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1392</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 23: What’s New? November 11, 2019 Edition</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 23: What’s New? November 11, 2019 Edition</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-23-what-s-new-november-11-2019-edition/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-23-what-s-new-november-11-2019-edition/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2019 11:40:57 -0500</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we cover two new updates in the digital marketing world.</p>
<p>Google’s Zero Click Searches</p>
<p>This Forbes article, <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelfertik/2019/10/31/why-you-cant-neglect-your-google-presence-anymore/#534f6b5717d5'>Why You Can’t Neglect Your Google Presence Anymore,</a> talks about how so many of us never leave the Search Engine Results Page: “In the first quarter of 2019, nearly 49% of all U.S. Google searches ended without a click. And, over 60% of mobile searches are zero-click searches. People are finding what they need right there on the Search Engine Results Page ( SERP).”</p>
<p>This presents two challenges: make sure your Google presence is built out, so the engaging information is included on the SERP and that you give more consideration to your brand story and long-form content, making it worth the click-through.</p>
<p>Google BERT Algorithm</p>
<p>Google calls this their most important update in five years. What does it mean for us as PR pros and marketers? Content is joined by context as the reigning factors in search results rankings. The context aspect is a nod to an increase in voice search and the use of AI.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-bert-update/332161/#close'>“The BERT algorithm (Bidirectional Encoder Representations from Transformers) is a deep learning algorithm related to natural language processing. It helps a machine to understand what words in a sentence mean, but with all the nuances of context.”</a></p>
<p>As writers and communicators, we are heartened that good writing and clear communication still matters most in our online efforts.</p>
<p>What Do You Think?</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts on these new developments.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode, we cover two new updates in the digital marketing world.</p>
<p>Google’s Zero Click Searches</p>
<p>This Forbes article, <a href='https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelfertik/2019/10/31/why-you-cant-neglect-your-google-presence-anymore/#534f6b5717d5'>Why You Can’t Neglect Your Google Presence Anymore,</a> talks about how so many of us never leave the Search Engine Results Page: “In the first quarter of 2019, nearly 49% of all U.S. Google searches ended without a click. And, over 60% of mobile searches are zero-click searches. People are finding what they need right there on the Search Engine Results Page ( SERP).”</p>
<p>This presents two challenges: make sure your Google presence is built out, so the engaging information is included on the SERP <em>and</em> that you give more consideration to your brand story and long-form content, making it worth the click-through.</p>
<p>Google BERT Algorithm</p>
<p>Google calls this their most important update in five years. What does it mean for us as PR pros and marketers? Content is joined by context as the reigning factors in search results rankings. The context aspect is a nod to an increase in voice search and the use of AI.</p>
<p><a href='https://www.searchenginejournal.com/google-bert-update/332161/#close'>“The BERT algorithm (Bidirectional Encoder Representations from Transformers) is a deep learning algorithm related to natural language processing. It helps a machine to understand what words in a sentence mean, but with all the nuances of context.”</a></p>
<p>As writers and communicators, we are heartened that good writing and clear communication still matters most in our online efforts.</p>
<p>What Do You Think?</p>
<p>We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your thoughts on these new developments.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode, we cover two new updates in the digital marketing world.
Google’s Zero Click Searches
This Forbes article, Why You Can’t Neglect Your Google Presence Anymore, talks about how so many of us never leave the Search Engine Results Page: “In the first quarter of 2019, nearly 49% of all U.S. Google searches ended without a click. And, over 60% of mobile searches are zero-click searches. People are finding what they need right there on the Search Engine Results Page ( SERP).”
This presents two challenges: make sure your Google presence is built out, so the engaging information is included on the SERP and that you give more consideration to your brand story and long-form content, making it worth the click-through.
Google BERT Algorithm
Google calls this their most important update in five years. What does it mean for us as PR pros and marketers? Content is joined by context as the reigning factors in search results rankings. The context aspect is a nod to an increase in voice search and the use of AI.
“The BERT algorithm (Bidirectional Encoder Representations from Transformers) is a deep learning algorithm related to natural language processing. It helps a machine to understand what words in a sentence mean, but with all the nuances of context.”
As writers and communicators, we are heartened that good writing and clear communication still matters most in our online efforts.
What Do You Think?
We want to hear from you! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share your thoughts on these new developments.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 22: Highlights from the PRSA 2019 International Conference</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 22: Highlights from the PRSA 2019 International Conference</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/highlights-from-the-prsa-2019-international-conference/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/highlights-from-the-prsa-2019-international-conference/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2019 06:52:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode comes to you fresh from the <a href='https://apps.prsa.org/Conferences/InternationalConference/'>PRSA 2019 International Conference</a>, the annual gathering of public relations and communications professionals from across the globe. This year’s conference took place in San Diego, California, much to the delight of Karen, who will always be a SoCal girl at heart.</p>
<p>Highlights of the three-day conference featured a keynote from Bob Woodward and a powerful session hearing the story of Laura Ling’s North Korean experience firsthand.</p>
<p>Three main takeaways:</p>
<p>METRICS: Measurement continues to dominate. If you haven’t already begun to do this, now is the time to tie metrics to bottom-line results.</p>
<p>CREATIVITY: It still matters. PR pros, we need to make sure we give ourselves space to be creative.</p>
<p>INSPIRATION: People are looking to have their souls fed, to connect with our humanity, with something that matters. As PR professionals, we are indeed doing important work.</p>
<p>Solo PR Pro was well-represented, with member Mary Barber receiving two awards – the Patrick Jackson Award for Distinguished Service to PRSA and the PRSA Chair’s Award for Exceptional Service to the Society. Kristie Aylett programmed a non-profit section for the conference, which featured another Solo, Dan Farkas, who spoke multiple times. (Editor’s Note: Karen Swim is too modest to say that she too spoke at the conference.)</p>
<p>A great way to catch up on all that went on at the PRSA International Conference, search the official hashtag: <a href='https://twitter.com/hashtag/prsaicon2019?src=hashtag_click'>#prsaicon2019</a></p>
<p>What is your favorite professional conference? We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode comes to you fresh from the <a href='https://apps.prsa.org/Conferences/InternationalConference/'>PRSA 2019 International Conference</a>, the annual gathering of public relations and communications professionals from across the globe. This year’s conference took place in San Diego, California, much to the delight of Karen, who will always be a SoCal girl at heart.</p>
<p>Highlights of the three-day conference featured a keynote from Bob Woodward and a powerful session hearing the story of Laura Ling’s North Korean experience firsthand.</p>
<p>Three main takeaways:</p>
<p>METRICS: Measurement continues to dominate. If you haven’t already begun to do this, now is the time to tie metrics to bottom-line results.</p>
<p>CREATIVITY: It still matters. PR pros, we need to make sure we give ourselves space to be creative.</p>
<p>INSPIRATION: People are looking to have their souls fed, to connect with our humanity, with something that matters. As PR professionals, we are indeed doing important work.</p>
<p>Solo PR Pro was well-represented, with member Mary Barber receiving two awards – the Patrick Jackson Award for Distinguished Service to PRSA and the PRSA Chair’s Award for Exceptional Service to the Society. Kristie Aylett programmed a non-profit section for the conference, which featured another Solo, Dan Farkas, who spoke multiple times. (Editor’s Note: Karen Swim is too modest to say that she too spoke at the conference.)</p>
<p>A great way to catch up on all that went on at the PRSA International Conference, search the official hashtag: <a href='https://twitter.com/hashtag/prsaicon2019?src=hashtag_click'>#prsaicon2019</a></p>
<p>What is your favorite professional conference? We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode comes to you fresh from the PRSA 2019 International Conference, the annual gathering of public relations and communications professionals from across the globe. This year’s conference took place in San Diego, California, much to the delight of Karen, who will always be a SoCal girl at heart.
Highlights of the three-day conference featured a keynote from Bob Woodward and a powerful session hearing the story of Laura Ling’s North Korean experience firsthand.
Three main takeaways:
METRICS: Measurement continues to dominate. If you haven’t already begun to do this, now is the time to tie metrics to bottom-line results.
CREATIVITY: It still matters. PR pros, we need to make sure we give ourselves space to be creative.
INSPIRATION: People are looking to have their souls fed, to connect with our humanity, with something that matters. As PR professionals, we are indeed doing important work.
Solo PR Pro was well-represented, with member Mary Barber receiving two awards – the Patrick Jackson Award for Distinguished Service to PRSA and the PRSA Chair’s Award for Exceptional Service to the Society. Kristie Aylett programmed a non-profit section for the conference, which featured another Solo, Dan Farkas, who spoke multiple times. (Editor’s Note: Karen Swim is too modest to say that she too spoke at the conference.)
A great way to catch up on all that went on at the PRSA International Conference, search the official hashtag: #prsaicon2019
What is your favorite professional conference? We want to hear from you! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1741</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 21: Be a Better PR Pro by Slowing Down (No, Really!)</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 21: Be a Better PR Pro by Slowing Down (No, Really!)</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-21-%e2%80%93-be-a-better-pr-pro-by-slowing-down-no-really/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-21-%e2%80%93-be-a-better-pr-pro-by-slowing-down-no-really/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2019 06:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Modern life moves fast. It’s a simple fact that you loathe, love, or tolerate. This is especially true for PR pros as we seek to serve our clients well, looking out for them and keeping their projects moving forward while working on our own innovative thinking and professional development.</p>
<p>Part of the cause is an increase of incoming messaging from a variety of sources – text, instant messaging, project management platforms, and the like. We can let the open fire hose of information knock us over or we can choose to take a moment at the start of each day to decide what takes priority, acknowledging the reality of interruption and the likelihood that another item may take precedence throughout the day but starting with a stance of taking each element of the day on its own. And then the next, and the next.</p>
<p>Start with the morning journal exercise of emptying your mind on paper and see where it takes you.</p>
<p>Seeking to “unbusy” our lives does not mean we’re not leaving it all on the floor for our clients. It means we want to work hard with a focused productivity.</p>
<p>What do you think? We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share. </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Modern life moves fast. It’s a simple fact that you loathe, love, or tolerate. This is especially true for PR pros as we seek to serve our clients well, looking out for them and keeping their projects moving forward while working on our own innovative thinking and professional development.</p>
<p>Part of the cause is an increase of incoming messaging from a variety of sources – text, instant messaging, project management platforms, and the like. We can let the open fire hose of information knock us over or we can choose to take a moment at the start of each day to decide what takes priority, acknowledging the reality of interruption and the likelihood that another item may take precedence throughout the day but starting with a stance of taking each element of the day on its own. And then the next, and the next.</p>
<p>Start with the morning journal exercise of emptying your mind on paper and see where it takes you.</p>
<p>Seeking to “unbusy” our lives does not mean we’re not leaving it all on the floor for our clients. It means we want to work hard with a focused productivity.</p>
<p>What do you think? We want to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Modern life moves fast. It’s a simple fact that you loathe, love, or tolerate. This is especially true for PR pros as we seek to serve our clients well, looking out for them and keeping their projects moving forward while working on our own innovative thinking and professional development.
Part of the cause is an increase of incoming messaging from a variety of sources – text, instant messaging, project management platforms, and the like. We can let the open fire hose of information knock us over or we can choose to take a moment at the start of each day to decide what takes priority, acknowledging the reality of interruption and the likelihood that another item may take precedence throughout the day but starting with a stance of taking each element of the day on its own. And then the next, and the next.
Start with the morning journal exercise of emptying your mind on paper and see where it takes you.
Seeking to “unbusy” our lives does not mean we’re not leaving it all on the floor for our clients. It means we want to work hard with a focused productivity.
What do you think? We want to hear from you! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share. ]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>2151</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 20: Where Do You Work?</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 20: Where Do You Work?</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-20-where-do-you-work/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-20-where-do-you-work/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 06:52:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life we ask the question, “Where Do You Work?” Not in what field or for which company but, where do you work? From a home office, a coffee shop, a co-working space, or perhaps you rent your own office space. The beauty of working independently means we have the option to choose the locations where we do our best work.</p>
<p>So, where do you work? We want to hear about your best spaces to get work done. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share, even send a photo!</p>
<p>P.S. Here’s the link to <a href='https://coffitivity.com/'>Coffitivity</a>, the website providing coffee house-themed ambient noise.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In today’s episode of That Solo Life we ask the question, “Where Do You Work?” Not in what field or for which company but, <em>where</em> do you work? From a home office, a coffee shop, a co-working space, or perhaps you rent your own office space. The beauty of working independently means we have the option to choose the locations where we do our best work.</p>
<p>So, where do you work? We want to hear about your best spaces to get work done. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share, even send a photo!</p>
<p>P.S. Here’s the link to <a href='https://coffitivity.com/'>Coffitivity</a>, the website providing coffee house-themed ambient noise.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In today’s episode of That Solo Life we ask the question, “Where Do You Work?” Not in what field or for which company but, where do you work? From a home office, a coffee shop, a co-working space, or perhaps you rent your own office space. The beauty of working independently means we have the option to choose the locations where we do our best work.
So, where do you work? We want to hear about your best spaces to get work done. Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online to share, even send a photo!
P.S. Here’s the link to Coffitivity, the website providing coffee house-themed ambient noise.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1957</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 19: CA–AB5 -- The California Gig Worker Bill and You</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 19: CA–AB5 -- The California Gig Worker Bill and You</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-19-ca%e2%80%93ab5-the-california-gig-worker-bill-and-you/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-19-ca%e2%80%93ab5-the-california-gig-worker-bill-and-you/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Oct 2019 06:41:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In September 2019 the California legislature passed <a href='https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-09-11/sweeping-bill-rewriting-california-employment-law-moves-to-gov-newsom'>CA-AB5 aka The Gig Worker Bill</a>. In short, according to <a href='https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/AB5-gig-work-bill-All-your-questions-answered-14441764.php'>this recap</a> from the San Francisco Chronicle, AB5:</p>
<p>“...codifies, clarifies and grants exemptions to a 2018 California Supreme Court decision called Dynamex. Both AB5 and Dynamex make it harder for companies to label workers as independent contractors. They use an ‘ABC’ test that says workers are employees if (A) they perform tasks under a company’s control, (B) their work is integral to the company’s business and (C) they do not have independent enterprises in that trade. It takes effect Jan. 1.”(2020)</p>
<p>The intent of this legislation is to protect people working as independent contractors from being taken advantage of. It is based on situations where an independent contractor’s work may match that of an employee but due to their worker status, they are not receiving the same level of pay and benefits as an employee. This is a good thing. The downside, however, is placing limitations on certain classifications of work that causes hardship. For instance, under this new law California-based publications can only allow freelance journalists to write 35 articles for them per year. This is a big hit to a freelance journalist’s income.</p>
<p>According to the <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/state-of-independence/'>MBO Partners State of Independence in America 2019 report</a>, there are “41 million Americans working work as consultants, freelancers, contractors, temporary, or on-call workers.” These workers deserve fair compensation and this legislation serves to right some of those wrongs. We hope that the California legislature – and any other government body seeking to make similar changes – considers that the nature of work itself is changing.</p>
<p>What do you think about this? We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In September 2019 the California legislature passed <a href='https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-09-11/sweeping-bill-rewriting-california-employment-law-moves-to-gov-newsom'>CA-AB5 aka The Gig Worker Bill</a>. In short, according to <a href='https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/article/AB5-gig-work-bill-All-your-questions-answered-14441764.php'>this recap</a> from the San Francisco Chronicle, AB5:</p>
<p>“...codifies, clarifies and grants exemptions to a 2018 California Supreme Court decision called Dynamex. Both AB5 and Dynamex make it harder for companies to label workers as independent contractors. They use an ‘ABC’ test that says workers are employees if (A) they perform tasks under a company’s control, (B) their work is integral to the company’s business and (C) they do not have independent enterprises in that trade. It takes effect Jan. 1.”(2020)</p>
<p>The intent of this legislation is to protect people working as independent contractors from being taken advantage of. It is based on situations where an independent contractor’s work may match that of an employee but due to their worker status, they are not receiving the same level of pay and benefits as an employee. This is a good thing. The downside, however, is placing limitations on certain classifications of work that causes hardship. For instance, under this new law California-based publications can only allow freelance journalists to write 35 articles for them per year. This is a big hit to a freelance journalist’s income.</p>
<p>According to the <a href='https://www.mbopartners.com/state-of-independence/'>MBO Partners State of Independence in America 2019 report</a>, there are “41 million Americans working work as consultants, freelancers, contractors, temporary, or on-call workers.” These workers deserve fair compensation and this legislation serves to right some of those wrongs. We hope that the California legislature – and any other government body seeking to make similar changes – considers that the nature of work itself is changing.</p>
<p>What do you think about this? We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In September 2019 the California legislature passed CA-AB5 aka The Gig Worker Bill. In short, according to this recap from the San Francisco Chronicle, AB5:
“...codifies, clarifies and grants exemptions to a 2018 California Supreme Court decision called Dynamex. Both AB5 and Dynamex make it harder for companies to label workers as independent contractors. They use an ‘ABC’ test that says workers are employees if (A) they perform tasks under a company’s control, (B) their work is integral to the company’s business and (C) they do not have independent enterprises in that trade. It takes effect Jan. 1.”(2020)
The intent of this legislation is to protect people working as independent contractors from being taken advantage of. It is based on situations where an independent contractor’s work may match that of an employee but due to their worker status, they are not receiving the same level of pay and benefits as an employee. This is a good thing. The downside, however, is placing limitations on certain classifications of work that causes hardship. For instance, under this new law California-based publications can only allow freelance journalists to write 35 articles for them per year. This is a big hit to a freelance journalist’s income.
According to the MBO Partners State of Independence in America 2019 report, there are “41 million Americans working work as consultants, freelancers, contractors, temporary, or on-call workers.” These workers deserve fair compensation and this legislation serves to right some of those wrongs. We hope that the California legislature – and any other government body seeking to make similar changes – considers that the nature of work itself is changing.
What do you think about this? We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1685</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 18: Moving Past Failure</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 18: Moving Past Failure</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-18-moving-past-failure/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-18-moving-past-failure/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 30 Sep 2019 06:55:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>We all hit bumps in the road, no matter what profession we are in. In this episode we discuss ways to handle disappointments in our businesses and how we can learn from them and gain a fresh, motivating perspective.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Share your tips  - visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online.</a></p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all hit bumps in the road, no matter what profession we are in. In this episode we discuss ways to handle disappointments in our businesses and how we can learn from them and gain a fresh, motivating perspective.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Share your tips  - visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online.</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[We all hit bumps in the road, no matter what profession we are in. In this episode we discuss ways to handle disappointments in our businesses and how we can learn from them and gain a fresh, motivating perspective.
We’d love to hear from you! Share your tips  - visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1416</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 17: A Little Pop Culture</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 17: A Little Pop Culture</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-17-a-little-pop-culture/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-17-a-little-pop-culture/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2019 06:55:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Like many of you who work hard in your professions, sometimes PR pros need a little levity. We need brain candy like Real Housewives, Property Brothers, or catching up on the latest chatter about the Royal Family. Sometimes, these pop culture moments dovetail with our work.</p>
<p>Listen to this episode to find out what helps us stay in the know about pop culture and how it relates to the PR world.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like many of you who work hard in your professions, sometimes PR pros need a little levity. We need brain candy like Real Housewives, Property Brothers, or catching up on the latest chatter about the Royal Family. Sometimes, these pop culture moments dovetail with our work.</p>
<p>Listen to this episode to find out what helps us stay in the know about pop culture and how it relates to the PR world.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Like many of you who work hard in your professions, sometimes PR pros need a little levity. We need brain candy like Real Housewives, Property Brothers, or catching up on the latest chatter about the Royal Family. Sometimes, these pop culture moments dovetail with our work.
Listen to this episode to find out what helps us stay in the know about pop culture and how it relates to the PR world.
We’d love to hear from you! Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1944</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 16: Recruit and Retain Quality Clients Quickly with Craig Severinsen</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 16: Recruit and Retain Quality Clients Quickly with Craig Severinsen</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-16-recruit-and-retain-quality-clients-quickly-with-craig-severinsen/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-16-recruit-and-retain-quality-clients-quickly-with-craig-severinsen/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 16 Sep 2019 06:50:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">In this episode, we are joined by longtime friend of Solo PR Pro, Craig Severinsen, founder of <a href='http://www.brightworkspr.com/'>BrightWorksPR</a>. Craig’s specialty is helping Marketing and PR entrepreneurs attract more clients for their business, which is right up our alley here at Solo PR Pro!</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Craig Severinsen’s specialty is helping entrepreneurs, especially those of us in the PR and marketing worlds, create systems to grow business, determining where is the best place to position yourself to be impactful and profitable. Within the past year, he pivoted his business to focus on helping people hone their pricing, implement a simple marketing strategy and close sales. His 90 Day Land More Clients Intensive business accelerator helps participants land more clients quickly using organic social media -- primarily Facebook and LinkedIn – with some making $30,000-100,000 within the first three months alone.</p>
<p>The key?</p>
<p>A Value-Centered Approach</p>
<p>Base your sales process around a strategic consultation via phone. During that conversation follow these three steps:</p>
<ul><li>Find out what is their goal.</li>
<li>Find out why they haven’t reached that goal.</li>
<li>Present your services as the way to get from where they are to what they want.</li>
</ul>
<p>It’s an approach that is simple and value centered. It also allows you to determine whether this client is a good fit and, even if they’re not, you’ve still provided value in that moment.</p>
<p>“Having a process like this in place is essential,” adds Severinsen, “because job security as an entrepreneur is a mixture of retention and bringing on new clients.”</p>
<p>Follow Craig Severinsen’s <a href='https://www.facebook.com/CraigSeverinsen/'>Facebook page</a> for more tips and strategies for growing your agency, and also for updates and deals on his programs. You may also want to check out his <a href='https://www.facebook.com/groups/1975634622659068/?ref=group_browse'>Free Facebook Group</a> for more in-depth discussion and training on growing your Marketing Business.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p style="text-align:justify;">In this episode, we are joined by longtime friend of Solo PR Pro, Craig Severinsen, founder of <a href='http://www.brightworkspr.com/'>BrightWorksPR</a>. Craig’s specialty is helping Marketing and PR entrepreneurs attract more clients for their business, which is right up our alley here at Solo PR Pro!</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Craig Severinsen’s specialty is helping entrepreneurs, especially those of us in the PR and marketing worlds, create systems to grow business, determining where is the best place to position yourself to be impactful and profitable. Within the past year, he pivoted his business to focus on helping people hone their pricing, implement a simple marketing strategy and close sales. His 90 Day Land More Clients Intensive business accelerator helps participants land more clients quickly using organic social media -- primarily Facebook and LinkedIn – with some making $30,000-100,000 within the first three months alone.</p>
<p>The key?</p>
<p>A Value-Centered Approach</p>
<p>Base your sales process around a strategic consultation via phone. During that conversation follow these three steps:</p>
<ul><li>Find out what is their goal.</li>
<li>Find out why they haven’t reached that goal.</li>
<li>Present your services as the way to get from where they are to what they want.</li>
</ul>
<p>It’s an approach that is simple and value centered. It also allows you to determine whether this client is a good fit and, even if they’re not, you’ve still provided value in that moment.</p>
<p>“Having a process like this in place is essential,” adds Severinsen, “because job security as an entrepreneur is a mixture of retention and bringing on new clients.”</p>
<p>Follow Craig Severinsen’s <a href='https://www.facebook.com/CraigSeverinsen/'>Facebook page</a> for more tips and strategies for growing your agency, and also for updates and deals on his programs. You may also want to check out his <a href='https://www.facebook.com/groups/1975634622659068/?ref=group_browse'>Free Facebook Group</a> for more in-depth discussion and training on growing your Marketing Business.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode, we are joined by longtime friend of Solo PR Pro, Craig Severinsen, founder of BrightWorksPR. Craig’s specialty is helping Marketing and PR entrepreneurs attract more clients for their business, which is right up our alley here at Solo PR Pro!
Craig Severinsen’s specialty is helping entrepreneurs, especially those of us in the PR and marketing worlds, create systems to grow business, determining where is the best place to position yourself to be impactful and profitable. Within the past year, he pivoted his business to focus on helping people hone their pricing, implement a simple marketing strategy and close sales. His 90 Day Land More Clients Intensive business accelerator helps participants land more clients quickly using organic social media -- primarily Facebook and LinkedIn – with some making $30,000-100,000 within the first three months alone.
The key?
A Value-Centered Approach
Base your sales process around a strategic consultation via phone. During that conversation follow these three steps:
Find out what is their goal.
Find out why they haven’t reached that goal.
Present your services as the way to get from where they are to what they want.
It’s an approach that is simple and value centered. It also allows you to determine whether this client is a good fit and, even if they’re not, you’ve still provided value in that moment.
“Having a process like this in place is essential,” adds Severinsen, “because job security as an entrepreneur is a mixture of retention and bringing on new clients.”
Follow Craig Severinsen’s Facebook page for more tips and strategies for growing your agency, and also for updates and deals on his programs. You may also want to check out his Free Facebook Group for more in-depth discussion and training on growing your Marketing Business.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1858</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 15: LeadHERship Development with Dr. Lori Baker-Schena</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 15: LeadHERship Development with Dr. Lori Baker-Schena</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-15-leadhership-development-with-dr-lori-baker-schena/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-15-leadhership-development-with-dr-lori-baker-schena/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2019 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today, we’re joined by Dr. Lori Baker-Schena, co-founder of <a href='https://leadhershipconsortium.com/'>LeadHERship Consortium</a>. She is a leadership consultant and professional speaker who works with individuals and businesses to achieve high levels of excellence, productivity and profitability. Dr. Baker-Schena brings to her clients 35 years as a healthcare public relations and marketing consultant, and 25 years as a tenured university professor teaching public relations and journalism. Dr. Baker-Schena holds a bachelor’s degree in Journalism and a MBA from California State University, Northridge, and a doctorate in Organizational Leadership from the University of La Verne.</p>
<p>A dear friend to Solo PR Pro, Dr. Baker-Schena’s turn toward working as a leadership consultant and professional speaker came about six years ago when she moved out of her comfort zone as a tenured professor at California State University, Northridge to properly pursue her dream of becoming a motivational speaker.</p>
<p>Noting a lack of leadership training specific to women, she and colleague Sabine Liedel co-founded LeadHERship Consortium in the summer of 2018. “A company devoted to helping women become successful leaders, focusing on solution-driven strategies that combine joy, empowerment and hard work,” LeadHERship Consortium offers in-house training, keynote presentations and events on the key areas women must face to grow as leaders:</p>
<ul><li>Stop beating yourself up with negative self-talk.</li>
<li>Own your talents and strengths and trust that everything else will fall into place.</li>
<li>Having support and mentorship of other women is key.</li>
<li>Know your value and learn how to communicate it in a way that people hear you.</li>
<li>Replace work-life balance with work-life flexibility.</li>
<li>Live in the solution, not the problem.</li>
</ul>
<p>Learn more about the LeadHERship Consortium, including upcoming events like the LeadHERship Conference taking place February 26-27, 2020 in Lakeview, California by visiting <a href='http://www.LeadHERshipconsortium.com'>www.LeadHERshipconsortium.com</a> and <a href='http://www.LeadHERshipconference.com'>www.LeadHERshipconference.com</a>.</p>
<p>Want to know even more? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to read the recap blog or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your experiences as a woman in leadership.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today, we’re joined by Dr. Lori Baker-Schena, co-founder of <a href='https://leadhershipconsortium.com/'>LeadHERship Consortium</a>. She is a leadership consultant and professional speaker who works with individuals and businesses to achieve high levels of excellence, productivity and profitability. Dr. Baker-Schena brings to her clients 35 years as a healthcare public relations and marketing consultant, and 25 years as a tenured university professor teaching public relations and journalism. Dr. Baker-Schena holds a bachelor’s degree in Journalism and a MBA from California State University, Northridge, and a doctorate in Organizational Leadership from the University of La Verne.</p>
<p>A dear friend to Solo PR Pro, Dr. Baker-Schena’s turn toward working as a leadership consultant and professional speaker came about six years ago when she moved out of her comfort zone as a tenured professor at California State University, Northridge to properly pursue her dream of becoming a motivational speaker.</p>
<p>Noting a lack of leadership training specific to women, she and colleague Sabine Liedel co-founded LeadHERship Consortium in the summer of 2018. “A company devoted to helping women become successful leaders, focusing on solution-driven strategies that combine joy, empowerment and hard work,” LeadHERship Consortium offers in-house training, keynote presentations and events on the key areas women must face to grow as leaders:</p>
<ul><li>Stop beating yourself up with negative self-talk.</li>
<li>Own your talents and strengths and trust that everything else will fall into place.</li>
<li>Having support and mentorship of other women is key.</li>
<li>Know your value and learn how to communicate it in a way that people hear you.</li>
<li>Replace work-life balance with work-life flexibility.</li>
<li>Live in the solution, not the problem.</li>
</ul>
<p>Learn more about the LeadHERship Consortium, including upcoming events like the LeadHERship Conference taking place February 26-27, 2020 in Lakeview, California by visiting <a href='http://www.LeadHERshipconsortium.com'>www.LeadHERshipconsortium.com</a> and <a href='http://www.LeadHERshipconference.com'>www.LeadHERshipconference.com</a>.</p>
<p>Want to know even more? Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> to read the recap blog or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a> to share your experiences as a woman in leadership.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today, we’re joined by Dr. Lori Baker-Schena, co-founder of LeadHERship Consortium. She is a leadership consultant and professional speaker who works with individuals and businesses to achieve high levels of excellence, productivity and profitability. Dr. Baker-Schena brings to her clients 35 years as a healthcare public relations and marketing consultant, and 25 years as a tenured university professor teaching public relations and journalism. Dr. Baker-Schena holds a bachelor’s degree in Journalism and a MBA from California State University, Northridge, and a doctorate in Organizational Leadership from the University of La Verne.
A dear friend to Solo PR Pro, Dr. Baker-Schena’s turn toward working as a leadership consultant and professional speaker came about six years ago when she moved out of her comfort zone as a tenured professor at California State University, Northridge to properly pursue her dream of becoming a motivational speaker.
Noting a lack of leadership training specific to women, she and colleague Sabine Liedel co-founded LeadHERship Consortium in the summer of 2018. “A company devoted to helping women become successful leaders, focusing on solution-driven strategies that combine joy, empowerment and hard work,” LeadHERship Consortium offers in-house training, keynote presentations and events on the key areas women must face to grow as leaders:
Stop beating yourself up with negative self-talk.
Own your talents and strengths and trust that everything else will fall into place.
Having support and mentorship of other women is key.
Know your value and learn how to communicate it in a way that people hear you.
Replace work-life balance with work-life flexibility.
Live in the solution, not the problem.
Learn more about the LeadHERship Consortium, including upcoming events like the LeadHERship Conference taking place February 26-27, 2020 in Lakeview, California by visiting www.LeadHERshipconsortium.com and www.LeadHERshipconference.com.
Want to know even more? Visit us at soloprpro.com to read the recap blog or contact us online to share your experiences as a woman in leadership.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1981</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 14: Guilty Pleasures</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 14: Guilty Pleasures</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-14-guilty-pleasures/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-14-guilty-pleasures/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 02 Sep 2019 06:42:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this Labor Day episode, we decided to focus on what we like to do when we’re not working. We all need time to decompress and recharge if we’re going to stay at the top of our game. Sometimes that means a walk in the park, other times it’s parking ourselves on the couch for some binge watching.</p>
<p>What helps you recharge? We want to know. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this Labor Day episode, we decided to focus on what we like to do when we’re <em>not</em> working. We all need time to decompress and recharge if we’re going to stay at the top of our game. Sometimes that means a walk in the park, other times it’s parking ourselves on the couch for some binge watching.</p>
<p>What helps you recharge? We want to know. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this Labor Day episode, we decided to focus on what we like to do when we’re not working. We all need time to decompress and recharge if we’re going to stay at the top of our game. Sometimes that means a walk in the park, other times it’s parking ourselves on the couch for some binge watching.
What helps you recharge? We want to know. Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1166</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 13: Fighting Imposter Syndrome When You Get What You Want</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 13: Fighting Imposter Syndrome When You Get What You Want</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-13-fighting-imposter-syndrome-when-you-get-what-you-want/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-13-fighting-imposter-syndrome-when-you-get-what-you-want/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 26 Aug 2019 06:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>This episode of That Solo Life grew from a conversation in the Solo PR Pro members only Facebook group surrounding what happens when we get what we want, when the professional goal or “get” we’ve dreamed of happens, and we find ourselves fighting feelings of fear or imposter syndrome. Of course, we really DO want the success that we work so hard to achieve. Join us for this conversation about this thought pattern and how we can stay a step ahead of it in our work.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This episode of That Solo Life grew from a conversation in the Solo PR Pro members only Facebook group surrounding what happens when we get what we want, when the professional goal or “get” we’ve dreamed of happens, and we find ourselves fighting feelings of fear or imposter syndrome. Of course, we really DO want the success that we work so hard to achieve. Join us for this conversation about this thought pattern and how we can stay a step ahead of it in our work.</p>
<p>We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[This episode of That Solo Life grew from a conversation in the Solo PR Pro members only Facebook group surrounding what happens when we get what we want, when the professional goal or “get” we’ve dreamed of happens, and we find ourselves fighting feelings of fear or imposter syndrome. Of course, we really DO want the success that we work so hard to achieve. Join us for this conversation about this thought pattern and how we can stay a step ahead of it in our work.
We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1178</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 12: Professional Politics (No, Not Those Politics)</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 12: Professional Politics (No, Not Those Politics)</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-12-professional-politics-no-not-those-politics/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-12-professional-politics-no-not-those-politics/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 19 Aug 2019 09:54:55 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss one of the aspects of work-life we might think we leave behind when going solo: office politics. People are complex and all business is based on relationship so  However, as savvy PR pros, we have the advantage of our communications tactics to put into use in these situations.</p>
<p>Ideally, we try to steer clear of whatever might be causing static within your client organization. When that’s not possible, pull out the good old artful redirect when in conversation.</p>
<p>Overall, the goal in any client relationship is moving the work forward in a way that is beneficial to them, and to you.</p>
<p>How do you deal with the internal dynamics of a client when the office politics begin to affect your projects? We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss one of the aspects of work-life we might think we leave behind when going solo: office politics. People are complex and all business is based on relationship so  However, as savvy PR pros, we have the advantage of our communications tactics to put into use in these situations.</p>
<p>Ideally, we try to steer clear of whatever might be causing static within your client organization. When that’s not possible, pull out the good old artful redirect when in conversation.</p>
<p>Overall, the goal in any client relationship is moving the work forward in a way that is beneficial to them, and to you.</p>
<p>How do you deal with the internal dynamics of a client when the office politics begin to affect your projects? We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>soloprpro.com</a> or <a href='http://soloprpro.com/contact-us/'>contact us online</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss one of the aspects of work-life we might think we leave behind when going solo: office politics. People are complex and all business is based on relationship so  However, as savvy PR pros, we have the advantage of our communications tactics to put into use in these situations.
Ideally, we try to steer clear of whatever might be causing static within your client organization. When that’s not possible, pull out the good old artful redirect when in conversation.
Overall, the goal in any client relationship is moving the work forward in a way that is beneficial to them, and to you.
How do you deal with the internal dynamics of a client when the office politics begin to affect your projects? We’d love to hear your experiences. Visit us at soloprpro.com or contact us online.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1069</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 11: Taking Your Solo PR Pro Show on the Road with Daria Steigman</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 11: Taking Your Solo PR Pro Show on the Road with Daria Steigman</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-11-taking-your-solo-pr-pro-show-on-the-road-with-daria-steigman/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-11-taking-your-solo-pr-pro-show-on-the-road-with-daria-steigman/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2019 07:45:00 -0400</pubDate>
        <guid isPermaLink="false">thatsololife.podbean.com/episode-11-taking-your-solo-pr-pro-show-on-the-road-with-daria-steigman-f21a36310bd378825b19c968eadadf92</guid>
                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Solo PR Pro life provides flexibility in our daily routines, but it’s often not until life hits hard that we truly appreciate being our own bosses. In today’s episode our guest is Solo PR Pro member Daria Steigman, founder of <a href='https://www.steigmancommunications.com/'>Steigman Communications</a>. She shares how she took her show on the road earlier this year as a means of processing and recalibrating following the loss of her parents within a short span of time. We discuss how you can prepare for when crisis hits, how to maximize your productivity while traveling, and why it’s important to have a change of scene now and again.</p>
<p>Daria Steigman is an entrepreneur, business owner, and writer. Daria is also a senior marketing communications and digital strategist who helps organizations communicate effectively with employees, members, customers, the business community, policymakers, and other key stakeholders. She is a leader and team-builder with a 20+-year record of crafting data-driven strategies to support core business goals. Daria’s diverse clients have included Fortune 500 companies, universities, associations, government agencies, and international organizations.</p>
<p>She is a frequent speaker on topics related to both business strategy and marketing communications and digital media. She is also the author of a blog that focuses on the business of running a business, entrepreneurship, marketing communications, social business, social media, strategic thinking, and what she calls Independent Thinking.</p>
<p>She’s been a contributor to Workshifting.com and to Overdrive, the blog of the Entrepreneurs’ Organization. She also created and wrote a monthly business column for IABC’s CW Bulletin. She holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Chicago, and masters’ degrees in industrial and labor relations (MILR) from Cornell University and liberal studies (MALS) from Georgetown University. She wrote a book of poems as part of her MALS thesis.</p>
<p>In her spare time, she loves to hike and run half-marathons. And she’s a huge baseball fan.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solo PR Pro life provides flexibility in our daily routines, but it’s often not until life hits hard that we truly appreciate being our own bosses. In today’s episode our guest is Solo PR Pro member Daria Steigman, founder of <a href='https://www.steigmancommunications.com/'>Steigman Communications</a>. She shares how she took her show on the road earlier this year as a means of processing and recalibrating following the loss of her parents within a short span of time. We discuss how you can prepare for when crisis hits, how to maximize your productivity while traveling, and why it’s important to have a change of scene now and again.</p>
<p>Daria Steigman is an entrepreneur, business owner, and writer. Daria is also a senior marketing communications and digital strategist who helps organizations communicate effectively with employees, members, customers, the business community, policymakers, and other key stakeholders. She is a leader and team-builder with a 20+-year record of crafting data-driven strategies to support core business goals. Daria’s diverse clients have included Fortune 500 companies, universities, associations, government agencies, and international organizations.</p>
<p>She is a frequent speaker on topics related to both business strategy and marketing communications and digital media. She is also the author of a blog that focuses on the business of running a business, entrepreneurship, marketing communications, social business, social media, strategic thinking, and what she calls Independent Thinking.</p>
<p>She’s been a contributor to Workshifting.com and to Overdrive, the blog of the Entrepreneurs’ Organization. She also created and wrote a monthly business column for IABC’s CW Bulletin. She holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Chicago, and masters’ degrees in industrial and labor relations (MILR) from Cornell University and liberal studies (MALS) from Georgetown University. She wrote a book of poems as part of her MALS thesis.</p>
<p>In her spare time, she loves to hike and run half-marathons. And she’s a huge baseball fan.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Solo PR Pro life provides flexibility in our daily routines, but it’s often not until life hits hard that we truly appreciate being our own bosses. In today’s episode our guest is Solo PR Pro member Daria Steigman, founder of Steigman Communications. She shares how she took her show on the road earlier this year as a means of processing and recalibrating following the loss of her parents within a short span of time. We discuss how you can prepare for when crisis hits, how to maximize your productivity while traveling, and why it’s important to have a change of scene now and again.
Daria Steigman is an entrepreneur, business owner, and writer. Daria is also a senior marketing communications and digital strategist who helps organizations communicate effectively with employees, members, customers, the business community, policymakers, and other key stakeholders. She is a leader and team-builder with a 20+-year record of crafting data-driven strategies to support core business goals. Daria’s diverse clients have included Fortune 500 companies, universities, associations, government agencies, and international organizations.
She is a frequent speaker on topics related to both business strategy and marketing communications and digital media. She is also the author of a blog that focuses on the business of running a business, entrepreneurship, marketing communications, social business, social media, strategic thinking, and what she calls Independent Thinking.
She’s been a contributor to Workshifting.com and to Overdrive, the blog of the Entrepreneurs’ Organization. She also created and wrote a monthly business column for IABC’s CW Bulletin. She holds an undergraduate degree from the University of Chicago, and masters’ degrees in industrial and labor relations (MILR) from Cornell University and liberal studies (MALS) from Georgetown University. She wrote a book of poems as part of her MALS thesis.
In her spare time, she loves to hike and run half-marathons. And she’s a huge baseball fan.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 10: PR and Tech - 2019 Trends</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 10: PR and Tech - 2019 Trends</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-10-pr-and-tech-2019-trends/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-10-pr-and-tech-2019-trends/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2019 07:44:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>There’s no doubt that technology continues to have an impact on the PR industry. So much so that the <a href='https://annenberg.usc.edu/'>USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism</a> issues an annual Global Communications Report based on survey results from PR professionals and students and, new this year, CEOs of small, mid-size, and large organizations. In this episode of That Solo Life, we discuss their findings and what they mean for our industry and the way we do our work. Look for more takeaways from this report on the <a href='http://soloprpro.com/blog/'>Solo PR Pro blog</a>.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s no doubt that technology continues to have an impact on the PR industry. So much so that the <a href='https://annenberg.usc.edu/'>USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism</a> issues an annual Global Communications Report based on survey results from PR professionals and students and, new this year, CEOs of small, mid-size, and large organizations. In this episode of That Solo Life, we discuss their findings and what they mean for our industry and the way we do our work. Look for more takeaways from this report on the <a href='http://soloprpro.com/blog/'>Solo PR Pro blog</a>.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[There’s no doubt that technology continues to have an impact on the PR industry. So much so that the USC Annenberg School for Communication and Journalism issues an annual Global Communications Report based on survey results from PR professionals and students and, new this year, CEOs of small, mid-size, and large organizations. In this episode of That Solo Life, we discuss their findings and what they mean for our industry and the way we do our work. Look for more takeaways from this report on the Solo PR Pro blog.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1656</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 9: The Economy of Time</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 9: The Economy of Time</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-9-the-economy-of-time/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-9-the-economy-of-time/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Mon, 29 Jul 2019 07:53:00 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>A recent Money.com article by Laura Belgray, <a href='http://money.com/money/5649643/three-hundred-dollar-uber-ride/'>I Spent $300 on One Uber Ride (And Would Do It Again in a Second). Here's Why I Don't Regret It</a>, led to a discussion here at That Solo Life about what aspects of our work and lives in general cause us significant stress and how can we offset it.</p>
<p>In the article, Belgray shares about her experience as she prepared to attend a writing retreat. The destination was accessible by train but the more she thought about getting to the train on time, switching trains mid-trip, and the rest of the journey, she knew this mode of travel would completely stress her out and have a negative impact on her experience at this event. She decided to spend $300 on an Uber ride to the retreat and hasn’t looked back.</p>
<p>As solo business owners (cliché alert), our time truly is money. An expense that might not make sense at first – outsourcing laundry, grocery delivery, massage to combat our time at the keyboard – could be the very thing to buy you productivity and peace of mind.</p>
<p>What is the one necessary “extravagance” that helps you most?</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent Money.com article by Laura Belgray, <a href='http://money.com/money/5649643/three-hundred-dollar-uber-ride/'>I Spent $300 on One Uber Ride (And Would Do It Again in a Second). Here's Why I Don't Regret It</a>, led to a discussion here at That Solo Life about what aspects of our work and lives in general cause us significant stress and how can we offset it.</p>
<p>In the article, Belgray shares about her experience as she prepared to attend a writing retreat. The destination was accessible by train but the more she thought about getting to the train on time, switching trains mid-trip, and the rest of the journey, she knew this mode of travel would completely stress her out and have a negative impact on her experience at this event. She decided to spend $300 on an Uber ride to the retreat and hasn’t looked back.</p>
<p>As solo business owners (cliché alert), our time truly is money. An expense that might not make sense at first – outsourcing laundry, grocery delivery, massage to combat our time at the keyboard – could be the very thing to buy you productivity and peace of mind.</p>
<p>What is the one necessary “extravagance” that helps you most?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[A recent Money.com article by Laura Belgray, I Spent $300 on One Uber Ride (And Would Do It Again in a Second). Here's Why I Don't Regret It, led to a discussion here at That Solo Life about what aspects of our work and lives in general cause us significant stress and how can we offset it.
In the article, Belgray shares about her experience as she prepared to attend a writing retreat. The destination was accessible by train but the more she thought about getting to the train on time, switching trains mid-trip, and the rest of the journey, she knew this mode of travel would completely stress her out and have a negative impact on her experience at this event. She decided to spend $300 on an Uber ride to the retreat and hasn’t looked back.
As solo business owners (cliché alert), our time truly is money. An expense that might not make sense at first – outsourcing laundry, grocery delivery, massage to combat our time at the keyboard – could be the very thing to buy you productivity and peace of mind.
What is the one necessary “extravagance” that helps you most?]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1367</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 8: Take a Break</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 8: Take a Break</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-8-take-a-break/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-8-take-a-break/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 19 Jul 2019 21:30:44 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Have you taken your vacation? If your response is “No,” you are not alone. Taking time off is a challenge as a solopreneur. Sometimes it’s because we’re too busy to get away. Often we’re either reluctant to step away from our business or simply never get around to making the plan to take time off. </p>
<p>It is important to take time off because we need to regain perspective, get inspired, and simply rest. These summer months are the ideal time to plan a getaway. Corporate life tends to slow down in the summer, so take advantage of this dip in activity. </p>
<ul><li>If a real deal vacation isn’t possible, take a working vacation. Set the expectations with your clients, advising when you’ll be working. The rest of the time is for you and your family.</li>
<li>Plan a retreat to work on your business. Pick a cool new hotel or nearby locale you’ve been wanting to visit.</li>
<li>Get help from a virtual assistant while you’re away. You might realize you like it and choose to continue working with them, which could lead to expanding your business. </li>
</ul>
<p>What is your ideal way to make sure you take time off as a solo business owner?</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you taken your vacation? If your response is “No,” you are not alone. Taking time off is a challenge as a solopreneur. Sometimes it’s because we’re too busy to get away. Often we’re either reluctant to step away from our business or simply never get around to making the plan to take time off. </p>
<p>It is important to take time off because we need to regain perspective, get inspired, and simply rest. These summer months are the ideal time to plan a getaway. Corporate life tends to slow down in the summer, so take advantage of this dip in activity. </p>
<ul><li>If a real deal vacation isn’t possible, take a working vacation. Set the expectations with your clients, advising when you’ll be working. The rest of the time is for you and your family.</li>
<li>Plan a retreat to work on your business. Pick a cool new hotel or nearby locale you’ve been wanting to visit.</li>
<li>Get help from a virtual assistant while you’re away. You might realize you like it and choose to continue working with them, which could lead to expanding your business. </li>
</ul>
<p>What is your ideal way to make sure you take time off as a solo business owner?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Have you taken your vacation? If your response is “No,” you are not alone. Taking time off is a challenge as a solopreneur. Sometimes it’s because we’re too busy to get away. Often we’re either reluctant to step away from our business or simply never get around to making the plan to take time off. 
It is important to take time off because we need to regain perspective, get inspired, and simply rest. These summer months are the ideal time to plan a getaway. Corporate life tends to slow down in the summer, so take advantage of this dip in activity. 
If a real deal vacation isn’t possible, take a working vacation. Set the expectations with your clients, advising when you’ll be working. The rest of the time is for you and your family.
Plan a retreat to work on your business. Pick a cool new hotel or nearby locale you’ve been wanting to visit.
Get help from a virtual assistant while you’re away. You might realize you like it and choose to continue working with them, which could lead to expanding your business. 
What is your ideal way to make sure you take time off as a solo business owner?]]></itunes:summary>
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                <itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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        <title>Episode 7: PR Pros - Stop Annoying Journalists</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 7: PR Pros - Stop Annoying Journalists</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-7-pr-pros-stop-annoying-journalists/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-7-pr-pros-stop-annoying-journalists/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 12 Jul 2019 16:44:20 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by a recent <a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2019/06/24/main-reasons-pr-people-annoy-journalists'>MuckRack article</a> pointing out the two major ways PR pros can be annoying to journalists: PR agencies requiring staff to use pitching techniques that no longer suit the current journalism landscape and client expectations focused on producing call logs over long-term results.</p>
<p>Rather than become another barrier to journalists doing their jobs, how can we improve on this?</p>
<p>Education: help clients understand the value of moving away from a focus of activity for activity’s sake. Journalists are outnumbered by PR people so constant contact to show “productivity” will not achieve the actual goal.</p>
<p>Results: together with the client, decide on the desired, measurable goal and work toward achieving it.</p>
<p>How do you balance client expectations with maintaining good relationships with your journalist contacts? We’d love to hear from you.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today’s episode was inspired by a recent <a href='https://muckrack.com/blog/2019/06/24/main-reasons-pr-people-annoy-journalists'>MuckRack article</a> pointing out the two major ways PR pros can be annoying to journalists: PR agencies requiring staff to use pitching techniques that no longer suit the current journalism landscape and client expectations focused on producing call logs over long-term results.</p>
<p>Rather than become another barrier to journalists doing their jobs, how can we improve on this?</p>
<p>Education: help clients understand the value of moving away from a focus of activity for activity’s sake. Journalists are outnumbered by PR people so constant contact to show “productivity” will not achieve the actual goal.</p>
<p>Results: together with the client, decide on the desired, measurable goal and work toward achieving it.</p>
<p>How do you balance client expectations with maintaining good relationships with your journalist contacts? We’d love to hear from you.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today’s episode was inspired by a recent MuckRack article pointing out the two major ways PR pros can be annoying to journalists: PR agencies requiring staff to use pitching techniques that no longer suit the current journalism landscape and client expectations focused on producing call logs over long-term results.
Rather than become another barrier to journalists doing their jobs, how can we improve on this?
Education: help clients understand the value of moving away from a focus of activity for activity’s sake. Journalists are outnumbered by PR people so constant contact to show “productivity” will not achieve the actual goal.
Results: together with the client, decide on the desired, measurable goal and work toward achieving it.
How do you balance client expectations with maintaining good relationships with your journalist contacts? We’d love to hear from you.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>1259</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 6: How Not to Manage It All</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 6: How Not to Manage It All</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-6-how-not-to-manage-it-all/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-6-how-not-to-manage-it-all/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:10:32 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>The secret to managing it all? Don’t. </p>
<p>Wait, what?</p>
<p>It’s true. If you’re feeling overwhelmed, it’s a signal to stop and do an evaluation. You may even want to schedule a business retreat so you can truly focus on your business.</p>
<p>You may have too much on your plate. Take a look at whether your clients are profitable. Is it time to raise your rates, expand your team, or turn away business?</p>
<p>As a business owner, you get to choose. Choose what is best for you.</p>
<p>Some tips to keep your work life in check: </p>
<ul><li>Create or update your lists</li>
<li>Practice self-care</li>
<li>Shift your focus from Time Management to Energy Management</li>
</ul>
<p>We’re not saying you should miss deadlines or leave projects unfinished. It’s likely that the same drive that motivates us to be solos is also the culprit when we are hard on ourselves. We need to learn how to balance that drive.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The secret to managing it all? Don’t. </p>
<p>Wait, what?</p>
<p>It’s true. If you’re feeling overwhelmed, it’s a signal to stop and do an evaluation. You may even want to schedule a business retreat so you can truly focus on your business.</p>
<p>You may have too much on your plate. Take a look at whether your clients are profitable. Is it time to raise your rates, expand your team, or turn away business?</p>
<p>As a business owner, you get to choose. Choose what is best for you.</p>
<p>Some tips to keep your work life in check: </p>
<ul><li>Create or update your lists</li>
<li>Practice self-care</li>
<li>Shift your focus from Time Management to Energy Management</li>
</ul>
<p>We’re not saying you should miss deadlines or leave projects unfinished. It’s likely that the same drive that motivates us to be solos is also the culprit when we are hard on ourselves. We need to learn how to balance that drive.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[The secret to managing it all? Don’t. 
Wait, what?
It’s true. If you’re feeling overwhelmed, it’s a signal to stop and do an evaluation. You may even want to schedule a business retreat so you can truly focus on your business.
You may have too much on your plate. Take a look at whether your clients are profitable. Is it time to raise your rates, expand your team, or turn away business?
As a business owner, you get to choose. Choose what is best for you.
Some tips to keep your work life in check: 
Create or update your lists
Practice self-care
Shift your focus from Time Management to Energy Management
We’re not saying you should miss deadlines or leave projects unfinished. It’s likely that the same drive that motivates us to be solos is also the culprit when we are hard on ourselves. We need to learn how to balance that drive.]]></itunes:summary>
        <itunes:author>thatsololife</itunes:author>
        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>969</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 5: Cringeworthy PR</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 5: Cringeworthy PR</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-5-cringeworthy-pr/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-5-cringeworthy-pr/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:08:37 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss the situations where it would have been wise to take the time to think things through and seek feedback from colleagues before moving forward with an idea. We get it, life moves fast in PR and in the business world, but maintaining credibility – yours and your client’s – is key.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss the situations where it would have been wise to take the time to think things through and seek feedback from colleagues before moving forward with an idea. We get it, life moves fast in PR and in the business world, but maintaining credibility – yours and your client’s – is key.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[In this episode of That Solo Life we discuss the situations where it would have been wise to take the time to think things through and seek feedback from colleagues before moving forward with an idea. We get it, life moves fast in PR and in the business world, but maintaining credibility – yours and your client’s – is key.
 ]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
        <itunes:duration>461</itunes:duration>
                <itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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    <item>
        <title>Episode 4: Holiday PR Mania</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 4: Holiday PR Mania</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/holiday-pr-mania/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/holiday-pr-mania/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:05:58 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Does it feel as though every holiday is used as either a branding opportunity or an excuse to sell something? A recent article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, <a href='https://thebulletin.org/2019/04/how-earth-day-became-public-relations-swag-day/'>How Earth Day Became Public Relations Day</a>, prompted this question. Newsjacking or creating a promotion aligned with a holiday isn’t necessarily wrong but as PR practitioners we want to be mindful that it is the most authentic way to have a voice within the context of the particular holiday. Join us as we discuss how to best navigate the temptation to hop on the holiday promotion bandwagon.</p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does it feel as though every holiday is used as either a branding opportunity or an excuse to sell something? A recent article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, <a href='https://thebulletin.org/2019/04/how-earth-day-became-public-relations-swag-day/'>How Earth Day Became Public Relations Day</a>, prompted this question. Newsjacking or creating a promotion aligned with a holiday isn’t necessarily wrong but as PR practitioners we want to be mindful that it is the most authentic way to have a voice within the context of the particular holiday. Join us as we discuss how to best navigate the temptation to hop on the holiday promotion bandwagon.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
                                    
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Does it feel as though every holiday is used as either a branding opportunity or an excuse to sell something? A recent article in the Bulletin of Atomic Scientists, How Earth Day Became Public Relations Day, prompted this question. Newsjacking or creating a promotion aligned with a holiday isn’t necessarily wrong but as PR practitioners we want to be mindful that it is the most authentic way to have a voice within the context of the particular holiday. Join us as we discuss how to best navigate the temptation to hop on the holiday promotion bandwagon.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <itunes:explicit>false</itunes:explicit>
        <itunes:block>No</itunes:block>
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                <itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
        <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <title>Episode 3: Wholeness in Entrepreneurship with Dr. Glenn McElhinney</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 3: Wholeness in Entrepreneurship with Dr. Glenn McElhinney</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-3-wholeness-in-entrepreneurship-with-dr-glenn-mcelhinney/</link>
                    <comments>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-3-wholeness-in-entrepreneurship-with-dr-glenn-mcelhinney/#comments</comments>        <pubDate>Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:03:55 -0400</pubDate>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Today we’re joined by our guest, Dr. Glenn McElhinney. He is president and CEO of <a href='http://transformed4life.solutions/'>Transformed 4 Life</a>, a company helping people to experience wholeness through change in mind, heart, and behavior. He brings over 35 years of experience in counseling and consulting individuals, couples, families and organizations. Dr. McElhinney was an associate professor of psychology for over ten years, holds a Doctor of Ministry in Pastoral Counseling from Westminster Theological Seminary and a Master of Divinity from <a href='https://www.grace.edu/'>Grace Theological Seminary</a>.</p>
<p>His work with Transformed 4 Life is based on the belief that people don’t have to be stuck where they are. There’s always the opportunity to transform your situation, becoming better and different at what you’re doing. This comes by learning what true wholeness is and using that as the lens to view all aspects of your life.</p>
<p>Me, An Entrepreneur?</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney came to entrepreneurship “through the back door.” It began when he was doing his graduate work. His internship required that he complete 900 counseling hours, but the clinic available to the students only had two hours per week available for the program’s interns. As a result, he contacted organizations to find out if they needed someone one hour a week to provide counseling services.</p>
<p>Thirty years into his career, after budget cutbacks at his employer, he once again he started making contacts, seeking people and organizations who might need his services. He also worked with a coach, who advised his assessment showed he was an entrepreneur. He hadn’t thought of himself as an entrepreneur but soon realized that his behavior of immediately seeking solutions rather than waiting for the opportunities to come to him was, well, entrepreneurial.</p>
<p>Wholeness. What is it and why does it matter for an entrepreneur and their career?</p>
<p>Our culture thinks of wholeness as this ideal of perfection. Dr. McElhinney views wholeness as a sense of contentment with who you are and who you’re designed to be, and not trying to pursue being someone else. The moment you start comparing, it becomes an enormous distraction from relying on and going deep with who you are as a person. Wholeness does not mean there will never be sadness, betrayal, or injustice, but it does mean we have the opportunity to transform the more we dig deeply into who we actually are.</p>
<p>Focusing our full energy on developing who we are frees us from the distraction of trying to be something we’re not. When a person knows what their core theme, their core value, is, then the environment is irrelevant. Wholeness gives us a clarity into our competency.</p>
<p>The reason a lot of people get stuck or feel like they’re spinning their wheels in work and life is because they spend a lot of time working on who they’re not and trying to improve that, which is never going to accomplish anything. If you think you need to be, or that you are, a complete package in your work, you’re hurting yourself because you’re not open to the notion that there are other people who could help you excel to accomplish your goals.</p>
<p>Embrace the Lies You Believe about Yourself</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney’s work has shown that internally, people know who they are, but they end up believing the lies about them. One of the exercises he does is to have people list the lies they believe about themselves. The reason a person believes these lies is because there’s often some element of truth in it. They then need to identify the kernel of truth and not let it define them in life.</p>
<p>For Solo PR Pros, this can mean that we use these areas of weakness and design our businesses around it, by not offering a certain service or by building our team to fit those needs.</p>
<p>From Assessment to Wholeness</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney uses the Pro-D Assessment. It takes into consideration:</p>
<ul><li>Your Mission (passion),</li>
<li>Your Competencies (aptitudes, abilities, strengths)</li>
<li>Your Styles (behaviors and characteristics that make you unique)</li>
</ul>
<p> The Pro-D Assessment converges the three to give you a uniquely complete profile, including: </p>
<ul><li>Career value areas</li>
<li>What work culture you’re best in</li>
<li>Educational areas to help you continue to grow</li>
<li>Caution areas</li>
<li>Who you are when you’re a team leader and when you’re a team member.</li>
<li>Core Theme of your passion</li>
</ul>
<p>When you can look at this profile every day it and know it’ll never change, there’s great freedom to move forward, embracing what you’re not good at and to let that go. The assessment prevents the second-guessing. Doubt is the greatest destruction of any entrepreneur. This removes the wasted time and energy of asking “What if?”</p>
<p>As Dr. McElhinney says, “Solopreneurs are transforming the culture with what they’re doing. It’s exciting to come alongside people who are really interested in success.”</p>
<p>Visit <a href='http://www.transformed4life.solutions'>www.transformed4life.solutions</a> to learn more.</p>
<p>Solo PR Pro premium members, log in to the member site for additional free resources.</p>
<p>Would you like to learn more about Solo PR Pro and the benefits of membership? Visit <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>SoloPRPro.com</a>.</p>
<p> </p>
]]></description>
                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today we’re joined by our guest, Dr. Glenn McElhinney. He is president and CEO of <a href='http://transformed4life.solutions/'>Transformed 4 Life</a>, a company helping people to experience wholeness through change in mind, heart, and behavior. He brings over 35 years of experience in counseling and consulting individuals, couples, families and organizations. Dr. McElhinney was an associate professor of psychology for over ten years, holds a Doctor of Ministry in Pastoral Counseling from Westminster Theological Seminary and a Master of Divinity from <a href='https://www.grace.edu/'>Grace Theological Seminary</a>.</p>
<p>His work with Transformed 4 Life is based on the belief that people don’t have to be stuck where they are. There’s always the opportunity to transform your situation, becoming better and different at what you’re doing. This comes by learning what true wholeness is and using that as the lens to view all aspects of your life.</p>
<p>Me, An Entrepreneur?</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney came to entrepreneurship “through the back door.” It began when he was doing his graduate work. His internship required that he complete 900 counseling hours, but the clinic available to the students only had two hours per week available for the program’s interns. As a result, he contacted organizations to find out if they needed someone one hour a week to provide counseling services.</p>
<p>Thirty years into his career, after budget cutbacks at his employer, he once again he started making contacts, seeking people and organizations who might need his services. He also worked with a coach, who advised his assessment showed he was an entrepreneur. He hadn’t thought of himself as an entrepreneur but soon realized that his behavior of immediately seeking solutions rather than waiting for the opportunities to come to him was, well, entrepreneurial.</p>
<p>Wholeness. What is it and why does it matter for an entrepreneur and their career?</p>
<p>Our culture thinks of wholeness as this ideal of perfection. Dr. McElhinney views wholeness as a sense of contentment with who you are and who you’re designed to be, and not trying to pursue being someone else. The moment you start comparing, it becomes an enormous distraction from relying on and going deep with who you are as a person. Wholeness does not mean there will never be sadness, betrayal, or injustice, but it does mean we have the opportunity to transform the more we dig deeply into who we actually are.</p>
<p>Focusing our full energy on developing who we are frees us from the distraction of trying to be something we’re not. When a person knows what their core theme, their core value, is, then the environment is irrelevant. Wholeness gives us a clarity into our competency.</p>
<p>The reason a lot of people get stuck or feel like they’re spinning their wheels in work and life is because they spend a lot of time working on who they’re not and trying to improve that, which is never going to accomplish anything. If you think you need to be, or that you are, a complete package in your work, you’re hurting yourself because you’re not open to the notion that there are other people who could help you excel to accomplish your goals.</p>
<p>Embrace the Lies You Believe about Yourself</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney’s work has shown that internally, people know who they are, but they end up believing the lies about them. One of the exercises he does is to have people list the lies they believe about themselves. The reason a person believes these lies is because there’s often some element of truth in it. They then need to identify the kernel of truth and not let it define them in life.</p>
<p>For Solo PR Pros, this can mean that we use these areas of weakness and design our businesses around it, by not offering a certain service or by building our team to fit those needs.</p>
<p>From Assessment to Wholeness</p>
<p>Dr. McElhinney uses the Pro-D Assessment. It takes into consideration:</p>
<ul><li>Your Mission (passion),</li>
<li>Your Competencies (aptitudes, abilities, strengths)</li>
<li>Your Styles (behaviors and characteristics that make you unique)</li>
</ul>
<p> The Pro-D Assessment converges the three to give you a uniquely complete profile, including: </p>
<ul><li>Career value areas</li>
<li>What work culture you’re best in</li>
<li>Educational areas to help you continue to grow</li>
<li>Caution areas</li>
<li>Who you are when you’re a team leader <em>and</em> when you’re a team member.</li>
<li>Core Theme of your passion</li>
</ul>
<p>When you can look at this profile every day it and know it’ll never change, there’s great freedom to move forward, embracing what you’re not good at and to let that go. The assessment prevents the second-guessing. Doubt is the greatest destruction of any entrepreneur. This removes the wasted time and energy of asking “What if?”</p>
<p>As Dr. McElhinney says, “Solopreneurs are transforming the culture with what they’re doing. It’s exciting to come alongside people who are really interested in success.”</p>
<p>Visit <a href='http://www.transformed4life.solutions'>www.transformed4life.solutions</a> to learn more.</p>
<p>Solo PR Pro premium members, log in to the member site for additional free resources.</p>
<p>Would you like to learn more about Solo PR Pro and the benefits of membership? Visit <a href='http://www.soloprpro.com'>SoloPRPro.com</a>.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Today we’re joined by our guest, Dr. Glenn McElhinney. He is president and CEO of Transformed 4 Life, a company helping people to experience wholeness through change in mind, heart, and behavior. He brings over 35 years of experience in counseling and consulting individuals, couples, families and organizations. Dr. McElhinney was an associate professor of psychology for over ten years, holds a Doctor of Ministry in Pastoral Counseling from Westminster Theological Seminary and a Master of Divinity from Grace Theological Seminary.
His work with Transformed 4 Life is based on the belief that people don’t have to be stuck where they are. There’s always the opportunity to transform your situation, becoming better and different at what you’re doing. This comes by learning what true wholeness is and using that as the lens to view all aspects of your life.
Me, An Entrepreneur?
Dr. McElhinney came to entrepreneurship “through the back door.” It began when he was doing his graduate work. His internship required that he complete 900 counseling hours, but the clinic available to the students only had two hours per week available for the program’s interns. As a result, he contacted organizations to find out if they needed someone one hour a week to provide counseling services.
Thirty years into his career, after budget cutbacks at his employer, he once again he started making contacts, seeking people and organizations who might need his services. He also worked with a coach, who advised his assessment showed he was an entrepreneur. He hadn’t thought of himself as an entrepreneur but soon realized that his behavior of immediately seeking solutions rather than waiting for the opportunities to come to him was, well, entrepreneurial.
Wholeness. What is it and why does it matter for an entrepreneur and their career?
Our culture thinks of wholeness as this ideal of perfection. Dr. McElhinney views wholeness as a sense of contentment with who you are and who you’re designed to be, and not trying to pursue being someone else. The moment you start comparing, it becomes an enormous distraction from relying on and going deep with who you are as a person. Wholeness does not mean there will never be sadness, betrayal, or injustice, but it does mean we have the opportunity to transform the more we dig deeply into who we actually are.
Focusing our full energy on developing who we are frees us from the distraction of trying to be something we’re not. When a person knows what their core theme, their core value, is, then the environment is irrelevant. Wholeness gives us a clarity into our competency.
The reason a lot of people get stuck or feel like they’re spinning their wheels in work and life is because they spend a lot of time working on who they’re not and trying to improve that, which is never going to accomplish anything. If you think you need to be, or that you are, a complete package in your work, you’re hurting yourself because you’re not open to the notion that there are other people who could help you excel to accomplish your goals.
Embrace the Lies You Believe about Yourself
What?
Dr. McElhinney’s work has shown that internally, people know who they are, but they end up believing the lies about them. One of the exercises he does is to have people list the lies they believe about themselves. The reason a person believes these lies is because there’s often some element of truth in it. They then need to identify the kernel of truth and not let it define them in life.
For Solo PR Pros, this can mean that we use these areas of weakness and design our businesses around it, by not offering a certain service or by building our team to fit those needs.
From Assessment to Wholeness
Dr. McElhinney uses the Pro-D Assessment. It takes into consideration:
Your Mission (passion),
Your Competencies (aptitudes, abilities, strengths)
Your Styles (behaviors and characteristics that make you unique)
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>Going solo in business is scary, no matter your career path. In today’s episode, we talk about fear, what it means to us, and what it might mean to you.</p>
<p>Know this:</p>
<ul><li>Fear never really goes away, and that’s okay.</li>
<li>The fear that you don’t know enough or you’re not doing it right is more common than you think. (And guess what, you DO know enough and you ARE doing it right.)</li>
<li>Embrace the things you’re not as good at and move on. Take those cues as openings for collaboration.</li>
<li>Welcome the “good scared” – these are the opportunities that will bring you the most growth.</li>
<li>Failure is not an f-word. It’s a teacher.</li>
<li>Nothing is certain. And that’s okay, as long as you are planning for the next shift.</li>
</ul>
<p>How to fight the fear?</p>
<ul><li>Acknowledge that you know enough but you can never learn enough.</li>
<li>Attend professional development sessions – to learn new things and also affirm your current knowledge.</li>
<li>Stay up to date with current events within your profession and the business world in general.</li>
<li>Have the confidence to add people to your team in areas where you don’t know enough.</li>
<li>Have a village, a safe place where you can go and ask questions of your peers as well as receive affirmation.</li>
</ul>
<p>Fear is all about your perspective. There will always be something to challenge you in your professional life. Use these moments to improve and grow.</p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going solo in business is scary, no matter your career path. In today’s episode, we talk about fear, what it means to us, and what it might mean to you.</p>
<p>Know this:</p>
<ul><li>Fear never really goes away, and that’s okay.</li>
<li>The fear that you don’t know enough or you’re not doing it right is more common than you think. (And guess what, you DO know enough and you ARE doing it right.)</li>
<li>Embrace the things you’re not as good at and move on. Take those cues as openings for collaboration.</li>
<li>Welcome the “good scared” – these are the opportunities that will bring you the most growth.</li>
<li>Failure is not an f-word. It’s a teacher.</li>
<li>Nothing is certain. And that’s okay, as long as you are planning for the next shift.</li>
</ul>
<p>How to fight the fear?</p>
<ul><li>Acknowledge that you know enough but you can never learn enough.</li>
<li>Attend professional development sessions – to learn new things and also affirm your current knowledge.</li>
<li>Stay up to date with current events within your profession and the business world in general.</li>
<li>Have the confidence to add people to your team in areas where you don’t know enough.</li>
<li>Have a village, a safe place where you can go and ask questions of your peers as well as receive affirmation.</li>
</ul>
<p>Fear is all about your perspective. There will always be something to challenge you in your professional life. Use these moments to improve and grow.</p>
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        <itunes:summary><![CDATA[Going solo in business is scary, no matter your career path. In today’s episode, we talk about fear, what it means to us, and what it might mean to you.
Know this:
Fear never really goes away, and that’s okay.
The fear that you don’t know enough or you’re not doing it right is more common than you think. (And guess what, you DO know enough and you ARE doing it right.)
Embrace the things you’re not as good at and move on. Take those cues as openings for collaboration.
Welcome the “good scared” – these are the opportunities that will bring you the most growth.
Failure is not an f-word. It’s a teacher.
Nothing is certain. And that’s okay, as long as you are planning for the next shift.
How to fight the fear?
Acknowledge that you know enough but you can never learn enough.
Attend professional development sessions – to learn new things and also affirm your current knowledge.
Stay up to date with current events within your profession and the business world in general.
Have the confidence to add people to your team in areas where you don’t know enough.
Have a village, a safe place where you can go and ask questions of your peers as well as receive affirmation.
Fear is all about your perspective. There will always be something to challenge you in your professional life. Use these moments to improve and grow.]]></itunes:summary>
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        <title>Episode 1: Intro to That Solo Life and Solo PR Pro</title>
        <itunes:title>Episode 1: Intro to That Solo Life and Solo PR Pro</itunes:title>
        <link>https://thatsololife.podbean.com/e/episode-1-intro-to-that-solo-life-and-solo-pr-pro/</link>
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                                    <description><![CDATA[<p>What is That Solo Life? It’s a podcast all about keeping it real and talking about the topics that affect solo business owners, especially those in the public relations and communications world. Co-hosted by Karen Swim, founder of <a href='https://wordsforhirellc.com/'>Words for Hire</a> and owner of <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>Solo PR Pro</a> and Michelle Kane, founder of <a href='https://www.voicemattersllc.com/'>VoiceMatters,</a> the goal of this podcast is to bring the community and knowledge of Solo PR Pro to a new channel.</p>
<p>Listen to this first episode to learn more about the origins of Solo PR Pro and what it can bring to your business!</p>
<p> </p>
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                                                            <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is That Solo Life? It’s a podcast all about keeping it real and talking about the topics that affect solo business owners, especially those in the public relations and communications world. Co-hosted by Karen Swim, founder of <a href='https://wordsforhirellc.com/'>Words for Hire</a> and owner of <a href='http://soloprpro.com/'>Solo PR Pro</a> and Michelle Kane, founder of <a href='https://www.voicemattersllc.com/'>VoiceMatters,</a> the goal of this podcast is to bring the community and knowledge of Solo PR Pro to a new channel.</p>
<p>Listen to this first episode to learn more about the origins of Solo PR Pro and what it can bring to your business!</p>
<p> </p>
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Listen to this first episode to learn more about the origins of Solo PR Pro and what it can bring to your business!
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