To mark the occasion, this past summer I asked previous Perennials guests to share some wisdom about the third decade of life. They delivered reflections on what they let go of when leaving their twenties, what they wish they could tell their 30 year old self, things they are enjoying or did enjoy about their thirties, and advice on what to hold close during this decade.

Their responses are so comforting, kind, and thoughtful that they brought me to tears. I'll continue to cherish these messages for years to come, and I am so happy to share them with you.

I also included some of my own brief reflections on this transition, and on what I'm learning about and growing into lately around what it means to create a home for myself. 

Many, many thanks (in order of appearance) to the following good, kind, wise friends:

• Ona Gritz (Episode 15: Broken Things Can Shine)
• Danica Browne (Episode 68: Exploring the Midnight Library)
• Mallory Mortillaro (Episode 29: The Mystery of the Missing Statue)
• Catherine Gilmartin (Episode 21: Dog's Best Friend)
• Melissa Adamo (Episode 12: Growing Up Gilmore and Episode 64: Spring Cleaning)
• Zoe Gillis (Episode 43: Holding Space)
• Andy Feldman (Episode 18: Music & Creativity)
• Jessica Gaeta (Episode 27: And How Does That Make You Feel? and Episode 64: Spring Cleaning)
• Alex Baron (Episode 30: Not Babysitting)
• Lauren Roberts (Episode 23: Spirals of Healing and Episode 36: Grown Ups Vote)
• Sarah Koestner (Episode 39: True Love)
• Maya Sanyal (Episode 50: How You Matter, Part 1 and Episode 51: How You Matter, Part 2)
• Karen Florance (Episode 38: Spiritual Direction for Christmas)
• Meghan deBoer (Episode 56: Money Matters)
• Heather Tynan (Episode 11: Living in the Light Today)
• Lily Percy (Episode 40: Stories that Change Us)

So, we got into the deep end pretty quickly, and I loved every minute of it! I know you'll love exploring Maria's poetic, compassionate and wise perspective, too. 

References: 

• The Enneagram Institute
• The Wisdom of the Enneagram
• The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective 

I was so excited to pick Nadia's brain about many things that make couples tick: expectations and agreements (or lack thereof), communication styles, family dynamics and history, and how our attachment styles and sense of self worth factor into the health of our relationship. In our conversation, we dispel some myths about couples therapy and who it's for, and discuss common issues that couples bring into sessions. Nadia is so smart, warm and compassionate in her approach to helping people learn how to better love each other and themselves. 

As always, if you have thoughts about today's episode, feel free to let me know! Email me at perennialspodcast@gmail.com or message me on Instagram @perennialspodcast. 

It's so common in early adulthood, with so much uncertainty coming from all angles, to feel restless, impatient, desperate to prove ourselves and try to make everything okay. And yet, the nature of life is change. Trying for things and feeling feelings means we are alive, and means sometimes we will struggle and be disappointed.

Today, I'm talking about riding all sorts of feelings without pushing them away or labelling them as bad, and about what I've been learning about patience and keeping my seat. 

Come back next week for part 2! 

Be sure to follow Jess @organziedbyjess on Instagram for organization inspiration!

In addition to talking about relating to our emotions, we also talk about the extremely practical, mundane parts of parenting ourselves: taking responsibility for the less fun parts of life, like basic household upkeep, and how to work with resistance around these tasks. 

Stay tuned for Part 2 of our conversation next week! 

During this trip down memory lane, we explore some of the common experiences we and many others have faced in the realm of friendship: friendships of convenience vs. friendships rooted in values and deep connection; how it’s easy to fall in love with friends but perhaps harder to stay in it for the long haul; and how our romantic relationships and the trappings of adulthood have affected our friendships (and vice versa). We talk about what has helped us to remain friends for so long (both factors in and outside of our control) and some of the things we struggle with in friendship, like jealousy and fear of change, and how we meet those struggles.

I'm thrilled to share my conversation with Megan deBoer, the founder of Tended Wealth, a business that helps individuals heal their emotional and practical relationship to money. As a certified Financial Recovery Counselor, her approach considers the context of our current financial circumstance: our lived experience, our family of origin, and the broad culture that shape our beliefs about money. 

We talk about turning towards and rebuilding our relationship to money, and how to take steps towards slow, incremental, meaningful change that can bring us a greater sense of agency, responsibility and empowerment. 

Lizzie is a screenwriting instructor and script consultant trained in the Gateless Writing methodology and program manager of the Screenwriting Academy at Project Write Now. She writes on Medium about health, happiness, relationships, midlife, spirituality, tv and film, politics and psychedelic therapy. During a turbulent year of many transitions, Lizzie embarked on a certificate program in Happiness Studies and discovered the key to getting through life's challenges is to have a sense of purpose and passion. She is dedicated to living a life in creative flow and helping others do the same. 

In today's conversation, I ask Amber how she has honored the "wild" parts of her while also growing in maturity and steadiness; how she keeps in touch with her inner rebel and artist while also showing up in marriage, motherhood and church. Amber shares ways that she reconstitutes and nourishes herself when she's feeling used or used up, and we talk about learning to receive love and be more human.  

In the first half of the episode, I give some background and context about my own resistance to visualizations and why I used to get angry when therapists tried to make me do them. I share how I came to enjoy them and find them helpful, and why you might too.

In the second half, we'll get grounded with our breath, and then, with our imaginations, we'll welcome a visit from Jonathan Van Ness--or anyone you would like to welcome into your space who will reflect what's beautiful about you. This visualization will help us consider how we've been treating our bodies, self-care and basic grooming and hygiene lately, and how we might offer our bodies an act of care today.

It's a conversation about patriarchy, white supremacy, and trauma; a discussion of how these forces affect us on personal and collective levels, in our lifetimes and inherited from generations before us. Khay generously models what it looks like to notice and meet those forces within and around us, and then take the next step to break the chain and create a new way of being. She does it with courage, humility, strength, integrity and compassion. May we listen with humility, sorrow and hope, and put Khay's modeling to good use in our own lives. 

Maya believes it is possible to be deeply grateful and content while also ambitious. She believes in the power of presence and creating spaciousness in our lives. Maya has worked to notice, question and dismantle her own thinking traps and hurtful thought patterns, and she offers hope that we can, too. 

In Part 1 of our conversation, Maya and I talk about her career trajectory, which includes navigating the communal culture she comes from and the individualistic culture of the U.S.; earning a PhD in English literature and a Masters in Counseling; and years of teaching and advising students in the university classroom, Writing Center and Career Center. Maya's newest incarnation is being an entrepreneur with AlkaDevika Project Solutions.

Maya shares her thoughts on our cultural obsessions with passion, excitement and quick fixes, rather than knowledge, values and patience. We talk about our shared aversion to learning about money and finances, and why it's important to have that knowledge in order to then decide how to use it. 

Maya also opens up about her history with depression, and why she now sees it as a gift. 

Maya has too much wisdom to squeeze into just one episodes. Come back here tomorrow for Part 2! 

Ysabel shares how poems help her express different parts of herself and get in touch with "characters" within her that need release. We discuss why it sometimes feels easier to write about tumultuous relationships with unavailable people rather than healthy, loving relationships.

Ysabel expresses her desire to write not just from heartache, but also from peace and joy. And, she talks about the nuance she's finding in her relationship to her family's homeland of Puerto Rico. 

I'm lucky to call Ysabel my friend as well as my colleague at the Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation, where she is Assistant Director of the Poetry Program.

In Part 1, Ysabel and I talk about the seeds of Wild Invocations, some of the challenges that ultimately helped her learn how to use her voice, and how she grapples with writing and speaking about difficult topics like grief, mental illness and white fragility. Ysabel shares her poem “How to Unlearn Being a Princess,” and we begin talking about the transition from girlhood to womanhood.

If you want to hear us continue that conversation, and talk about relationships, embodiment, and celebrating love, return here tomorrow for Part 2 of our conversation.

You can find Ysabel online at ysabelgonzalez.com

In our conversation, Flo describes the path that led her to her beautiful tiny home, from growing up on her mother's woodland, to learning to carve spoons at university, to living in a van in Australia for six months.

We talked about Flo's relationship to living against the grain; how she adventures amidst and despite worry; the romance vs. reality of tiny-house living; and treading lightly on the earth.

Khay and I talk about her childhood growing up in the city of Newark, New Jersey, spending long days with her father in Branch Brook Park and learning about her connection to nature. She also shares about her experiences taking yoga classes for the first time in Brooklyn during her early post-grad years, and why her first yoga class "sucked." Khay describes feelings of loneliness and being "othered" as a Black woman in many white-dominant spaces.

Khay also explains how she's found more freedom to bring her full self to her classes teaching virtually from her home. She speaks about how large societal and community issues, like violence against Black people in our country, are intimately connected to, not separate from, our yoga spaces and practices. 

You can learn more about Khay and today's episode on the Shownotes page.

There's a lot of uncertainty right now, and a lot that we can't control. Zoe reminds us to focus on what we can control; to meet our own feelings and suffering so that we can work with it and use what we learn to meet the suffering of others; and to look for the good where we can.

Zoe also talks about accessing the healing power of nature, acknowledging that looks very different for people depending on their circumstances.

I mention in the intro that we had technical difficulties with our call dropping a lot (hello uncertainty and lack of control!), but don't worry--I edited the episode so you won't be able to tell!

To find out more about today's episode, and to learn about Zoe, her immersive wilderness retreats, and her upcoming virtual events, visit the Shownotes page and follow Zoe on Instagram @zoegillismft

In addition to my typical conversation episodes, I’ll be sharing regular mini-episodes in which I’ll read a chapter of the book and then end with some thoughts on the chapter. 

Please note: as of July 14, 2020, you can find episodes of the Perennials Podcast Book Club (and all subsequent chapters of Anne of Green Gables) here. 

I’m also inviting you to join me for virtual Book Club meetings to talk about the book. Anyone is welcome--feel free to invite a friend and pop in whenever you want, for however long you want.

I will post detailed information about joining the meeting on the Book Club page soon. You can sign up for a Book Club email list here to get updates on episodes and meetings, and access Anne of Green Gables free online if you want to read along with the text.

My reading of Chapter 1 runs from 3:12 - 18:07, and my thoughts about the chapter/topics for Book Club discussion runs from 18:09 - the end of the episode at 23:30 

Gillian and I talk about how the AT helped her gain more confidence in herself and widen her ideas about what she's capable of. We also discussed how rock climbing helps her to get out of her head and work with fear in a new way.

To learn more about topics covered and references made in this episode, visit the Shownotes page.

In today's episode, Lily and I talk about what she's learned from her years of loving movies and listening in on conversations with incredible people reflecting on what it means to be human.

We talk about some of the movies Lily loves, how romantic movies always end at the beginning, and our sensitivity when it comes to watching films that are violent or disturbing. We also talk about the wisdom Lily has gleaned from both younger and older generations, from unfixed ideas about identity, to realizing some of the wisest people also face deep struggles throughout their lives.

To learn more about today's episode, visit the Shownotes page.

Join me and coach Sarah Koestner as we consider questions like "If I experience doubt in my relationship, does that mean something is wrong?" "How do I know if I love my partner enough?" and "Can you love someone else before you've learned to love yourself?" 

Visit the Shownotes page to learn more about Sarah and the episode.

For those like me who struggle with religion and God, who aren't sure what we believe but who are drawn to spiritual people like Karen, I hope this episode encourages you to have patience with yourself, to accept yourself wherever you are, to embrace your own goodness and look for the good in others.

You can learn more about topics covered and references made in this episode on the Shownotes page.

Ananya’s passion for activism ignited when she was twelve years old and attended the Youth Empowered Action Camp. Since then, she’s learned a lot about what it means to organize and lead, and in today's episode, she's sharing some of those lessons. We discuss how Ananya keeps her activist fire going, how to overcome barriers to action, and how Ananya responds to despair and burnout. Plus, Ananya talks about different types of environmentalism, intersectionality in environmental movements, and what she's learning as a leader about balancing authenticity with compassion. 

Visit the Shownotes page to learn more about Ananya and today's episode.

In the U.S. this week, there are 49,000 elections happening across 34 states. U.S. citizens are granted the right to vote at age 18, just as we're becoming adults. It's an important part of growing up, and yet many people (myself included) don’t always exercise this privilege and responsibility. In today’s episode, I’m talking with Lauren Roberts, who has worked in the U.S. Senate, collaborates with CTZNWELL and founded INDY YOGA VOTES, a campaign to bridge her local yoga community with political action. We’re discussing why it’s important to vote even though the system is broken, the power of local elections, some common obstacles to voting and civic participation and how we can overcome those obstacles. 

You can check on your voter registration status and learn more about your local elections at Vote.org or Vote411.org

And learn more about today's episode on the Shownotes page.

What can we learn about identity exploration from the Sorting Hat and Hogwarts houses? How can we laugh at our own boggarts, conjure protective patronuses, and avoid counterproductive magical thinking? What makes some people join Dumbledore's Army while others become Death Eaters? Why is it important for us to see ourselves and others in all our complexity, not as all-good or all-bad?

Find out in today's episode! 

Thank you to Short Stories Book Shop & Community Hub in Madison, NJ for hosting and to Andy Feldman for running sound and mixing this episode!

References:

References made:

• The Psychology of Harry Potter, edited by Neil Mullholland
• Harry Potter and the Sacred Text podcast
• Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs
• Magical thinking
• The Milgram Shock Experiment
• Dr. Kristin Neff’s work on self-compassion vs. self-esteem
• The Gift of Fear by Gavin De Becker

You can learn more about today's episode over at the Shownotes page.

I used to watch in awe as my little sister, who was still just a kid, went to auditions and rehearsals with a sense of professionalism, dedication, passion and love way beyond her years. It’s been incredible to watch her relationship to this art form deepen and evolve as she’s grown up.

Today, Felicia is sharing wisdom she’s gleaned from ten years of auditions, rejections, rehearsals, and live shows. Whether you like to be onstage, backstage or in the audience, there's a lesson here for you: about trusting your instincts, grappling with rejection and critique, retaining hope, learning how to care but not cling, the importance of responsibility and respect, and what it means to take something and leave something from each important experience you have.

You can learn more about Felicia and today's episode on the Shownotes page.

If you're in the mood to travel, why not come visit lovely Madison, New Jersey for the very first Perennials Podcast live show?? I'll be having a conversation about the psychology of Harry Potter with Dr. Jill Cermele, professor of Psychology at Drew University, at Short Stories Bookshop & Community Hub from 7-9 pm on Friday, October 25. Head to the Facebook event to learn more and RSVP to this free, sure-to-be-super-fun event!

You can learn more about Jessie and today's episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

Jessie developed a disordered relationship to food at just eight years old, a relationship that continued for nearly two decades. Last year, at age 26, she was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and decided that enough was enough--she didn't want to waste any more time starving herself and trying to disappear. She finally decided to seek help, and therapy transformed her life. Now, Jessie has an entirely different relationship to food and fitness, and a whole new outlook on health and wellness.

In Part One of our conversation, Jessie talks about the conditions that led to her eating disorder; how therapy has helped her to navigate difficult conversations with loved ones; and how she still struggles with shame around being enough as a woman. She and I discuss how internalized patriarchy makes it difficult to shift our behavior and beliefs about ourselves and our worth, no matter how much we believe in gender equity. 

Visit the Shownotes page to learn more about Jessie and today's episode, and check back next week for Part Two of our conversation. 

Recent studies from the Pew Research Center show that American fathers who live with their children are spending more time with them than in the past, yet fear that they still aren’t giving enough time to their families. In today’s episode, Alex and I talk about his experience of balancing his different roles, the importance of work places supporting fathers in showing up for their families, and how it’s hard to find a community of dads online who aren’t obsessed with high speed strollers. 

We also discuss the lessons Alex brings from his childhood into parenting Addie, and what he’s learning from Addie now. For those out there like me who aren't parents, there are also lessons in this episode about learning to parent ourselves, and the importance of healthy separateness in any close relationship. 

You can learn more about Alex and today's episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

In this episode, Mallory and I not only talk about her discovery of the Rodin and what she learned about trust and hard work, but also discuss our experiences of college as two introverts who found the extroverted social scene pretty overwhelming. We also explore ways that we’ve remained committed to continuing our education as post-grads, learning through experience and continuing to follow our curiosity and pursue our passions outside of a formal academic setting.

You can learn more about Mallory and today's episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

Lauren Roberts, previously my guest in Episode 23, is interviewing me about the origins of the podcast, and my current take on the themes of "growing up, getting wise and trying to live a good life." 

We talk about my post-grad quarter life crisis, slowly shedding the pressure to be a "good girl," moving out of my parents' house and balancing my need for quiet and alone time with social connection and engagement with the world.

I share some of what I've been learning lately about what it means to belong to myself and share myself with others--through connecting to my body and creativity, loosening up on trying to find the "one right way" to do things, and learning to be more authentic wherever I go and whoever I'm with. 

You can learn more about this episode on the Shownotes page.

I sat down with Jess to pick her brain about her relationship to resiliency and adversity, how she coped after losing both of her parents by the time she was 20 years old, and how humor helps her find light even in dark times.

We dive deep talking about therapy and how it has helped us both to grow in self-awareness and self-love. We talk about the most helpful and unhelpful things we've experienced in therapy sessions, the ways in which therapy is a lot like dating, and how Jess's therapist's dog threw her for a self-esteem loop. We also discuss the importance of being seen, known and cared for by someone who offers us space to be ourselves, and learning to be more accepting of our feelings. 

For almost ten years now, Jess has worked for the American Cancer Society, first in fundraising and income development and now as a Volunteer Care Manager. She received her Masters in Public Administration from Seton Hall University and lives in New Jersey with husband Alex and their adorable baby girl Addie. 

David talks about his passion for wild and rugged terrain, why he doesn’t bring a phone or camera on his hikes, and how he strives to become more present in nature and in life.

We discuss the importance of retreating in order to reflect on how we can better engage with the world, especially in an age of rapid advances in technology and information. We talk about striving for balance and what it means to be in right relationship--with ourselves, each other and the planet. And we talk about love, a thread that runs through it all.

To learn more about David and the topics covered and references made in today's episode, visit the Shownotes page.

In today's episode, she and I talk about her experience of sex education growing up, and what she later learned as a sex-positive educator. We talk about how she “stumbled upon” her own sexuality as a teenager, the symbolic power of cutting her hair short, and how she shows her students that queer people can lead happy, successful, meaningful lives full of love.

And we also talk about the hard stuff—her experience of being outed to her family, their long journey to acceptance, her struggles with body image, and experiencing burnout as a mental health professional.

We explore the limited and limiting messages our dominant culture perpetuates about what is “normal” sex and sexuality, and we discuss how sex is about so much more than a certain action or outcome.

We talk about feeling that we belong in our bodies and our bodies belong to us, and how we can all connect to a sense of creativity, intimacy and aliveness.

To learn more about Cindy and topics covered/references made in this episode, visit the Shownotes page.

In today's episode, we're talking about the influence of Grisel's activist parents and what it was like to grow up in Chicago as a minister's daughter and a punk rocker who loved sci-fi and dancing. We also talk about her life as a Latina intellectual and her new anthology, Latina Outsiders Remaking Latina Identity (Routledge 2019).

Grisel and I talk about what it's like to move fluidly among different communities and spaces, especially niche spaces that are often coded white and male--the punk rock movement, sci-fi, academia. We discuss the ways that diving deep into what you love, yet always standing a little apart from it, can allow you to freely explore and never lose your identity or sense of self.

Also, Grisel makes a ton of amazing references throughout the episode, by far the most of any guest yet--check them out on the Shownotes page. 

But as Lauren Roberts says in today's episode, healing is not pretty. It's not linear, it's not easy, and it can be downright confusing, especially in the realms we're talking about today: substance abuse and sexual trauma. 

Lauren is a coach, facilitator, yoga teacher and trauma survivor who shares practices that she’s learned along the way for staying resilient, no matter what. After years of self-medicating with marijuana, Lauren decided to commit to sobriety; in this episode, she talks about her up-and-down, winding path of recovery and what she chooses to say "yes" to when she says "no" to numbing and avoiding pain.

To learn more about Lauren and today's episode, visit the Shownotes page.

This weekend, I'll be making a trip to the White Mountains of New Hampshire and celebrating my 28th birthday. With thoughts about journeys and lessons and Tolkien's words all percolating in my mind, I decided to record an episode reflecting on some of my wisdom-takeaways from the book. I talk about the importance of accepting help and welcoming miracles, how some things are more important than being comfortable, learning to feast and rest whenever we can, and doing what we love even if it doesn't seem to matter. 

For more information about topics covered and references made in this episode, visit the Shownotes page.

Catherine attended school for psychology with the intention of becoming a counselor, but felt unfulfilled and unhappy; then she realized she could combine her interest in working with people with her lifelong passion for dogs, and the rest is history. She has since started a petsitting business and is about to become a certified trainer. Her ultimate goal is to train service dogs and tap into the magical relationship between dog and human.

Catherine and I talk about the lessons she's learned about conflict, confidence and love through working with dogs; how limited our imaginations can be when we're young and think there's only one path forward; and her journey from struggling in college to creating a more authentic life. 

You learn more by visiting the Shownotes page.

To learn more about Madhu and this episode, visit the Shownotes page.

At 29 years old, Amanda is wife to her high school sweetheart Andy and mother to four children under the age of six. She describes how being the firstborn of five kids spurred her to be an independent forward-thinker who follows her gut--even when her gut leads her down paths that a lot of her peers aren't traveling yet.

We talk about her college experience studying Vocal Jazz at the University of North Texas, and what led her to move back to New Jersey shortly after graduation to get married and start a family. We also discuss the challenges of balancing a career as a musician with parenthood, as well as her recent experience with postpartum depression and the wisdom she's gleaned from the early years of motherhood. We laugh, swap stories, talk about sibling dynamics, and discuss our differences in personality. 

You can learn more by visiting the Shownotes page.

In today's episode, Andy and I talk about his love for music, the relationship between talent and discipline, the writing process, what it's like to share art with the world, and how Andy balances his full-time engineering job with his job as a musician. 

In today's episode, I'm talking about why it's been one month since I posted a new episode. I've been struggling with a bad flare-up of anxiety, and I wanted to share a bit about my experience in the hopes of keeping this podcast as honest and authentic as possible about all of the messiness around "growing up, getting wise and trying to live a good life." 

Episode 1 was about the Wisdom of Anxiety--today, I'm talking about what it feels like to be in the thick of a dark night. I hope that, for anyone else who may be struggling with their mental health right now, this episode provides a sense of solace and solidarity. It's not about tips and tricks for beating anxiety--it's just about what it feels like to be a human who is trying really hard to get better, and how some days and moments are better than others, and how perfectionism is my absolute Achilles heel. 

Here's to less perfection and more kindness. 

You can learn more about the topics covered and references made in the episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

The episode title "Broken Things Can Shine" comes from Ona's poem "Geode."

You can learn more about Ona and today's episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

Paul has become an advocate for access to healthcare and emphasis on wellness in the hospitality industry, which has historically provided very little resources or even encouragement for workers to prioritize their health. In today's episode, we're talking about his Personal Mise en Place program, which Paul created to help his colleagues take stock of their health and wellness and make changes for the better.

We talk about taking inventory of ourselves and practicing self-compassion, and we dive into questions about spirituality and purpose: how do we know when it's time to stop seeking and start cultivating? What does it mean to embrace the mystery and magic of life at any moment, even when washing the dishes?

You can learn more about topics covered and references made in this episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

Andrew is an educator, actor and mentor working primarily in the city of Newark, New Jersey. He teaches history at the Newark Boys Chorus School and serves as the Artistic Director of the Yendor Theatre Company, which seeks to develop and produce plays by underserved playwrights, including writers of color, women, and writers from the LGBTQ community. Andrew credits much of his success to his former professor and mentor Rodney Gilbert. He now considers mentoring young people some of the most meaningful work he does.

You can learn more about the episode and topics discussed by visiting the Shownotes page.

You can find more information about topics covered and references made in this episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

In this episode, Heather and I talk about her blog, Living in the Light - Today!, her faith, the relationship between naturopathic and conventional medicine, and the importance of listening to one's own still, small voice to find what's best for each of us. And, as a lovely bonus, Heather shares how Perennials listeners can receive a discount for her online shop, Handmade by Heather May. 

You can find more information about Heather and the topics covered and references made in this episode by visiting the Shownotes page.

Kesha and I talk about the permeable boundary between self and society; why it's so important for activists to take care of themselves; and how being intentional about our habits, rituals and goals can help us to live with purpose and joy.

For more information about Kesha and the topics covered and references made in this episode, please visit the Shownotes page.

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For more information about the episode and about Rana, visit the Shownotes page.

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Sheryl explains how anxiety contains hidden gems, gems of self-knowledge that can point us toward what needs attention in our lives. As someone who has struggled with anxiety and panic attacks for years, I know firsthand that anxiety can be a great teacher. Sheryl has helped me to sit with the pain and discomfort of anxiety long enough to hear the message it's trying to deliver; I hope the wisdom she shares in this episode can help you to see anxiety in a new light.

You can find links to topics and references covered in this episode on the Shownotes page.