The session is a reflective leadership discussion, centered on a core guiding principle: love your congregation where they are. The discussion challenges the notion of “fixing” a congregation, emphasizes the plurality of community, trust-building, and leadership as presence and listening rather than control.

Dennis can be reached at dennis at mantuan dot org (for the Apple users) or HERE for others.  Smile.  

Richard Rohr website is HERE and is excellent.  There is a daily meditation available and the comments on this podcast were drawn from the meditation for August 25, 2025.

Dennis apologizes for having "been away" but he is back.  The podcast is still a work in progress.  Peace.   

I am not sure if it has an extended shelf life.  I might bring it down after it serves its purpose.  

This is simply an attempt to explain, in more time than I would have on Thursday, why I find a particular resolution problematic.  The resolution is HERE.  

Drawing on Wallace's metaphor of two fish unaware they're swimming in water, Dennis discusses our default human setting: seeing ourselves as the absolute center of the universe. The podcast challenges listeners to become aware of this innate perspective and intentionally choose to see beyond our own immediate experience.

Dennis weaves together insights from theologians like Dietrich Bonhoeffer and Richard Rohr to illustrate how personal transformation requires "unlearning" our ego-driven perspectives. Mirroring Wallace, Dennis emphasizes that we have a daily choice: remain trapped in our self-centered default mode or actively cultivate empathy, connection, and a broader understanding of our interconnectedness. Using examples ranging from marathon training to global perspectives, Dennis argues that mindfulness is about recognizing we are active participants in life, not just passive recipients replying on our default, self-absorbed, hard-wired default settings.  

The podcast concludes with a practical challenge: as you go about your daily routine, ask yourself what choices you're making in mundane moments. Are you challenging your default settings? Are you choosing to be "light" and "salt" in the world? The message is hopeful, suggesting that by becoming aware of our natural self-centeredness, we can choose to see the "vast ocean of possibilities" that exists beyond our immediate perception.

Dennis email is HERE.  

"This is Water" -- 2005 Kenyon College Commencement Speech.

In this episode, they explore the critical themes of Soul Care and self-care for clergy and lay leaders within the church. Dennis and Michael share their personal experiences and insights into finding harmony between vocational responsibilities, personal life, and spiritual well-being.

The discussion highlights the challenges clergy face in balancing their roles as leaders, parents, spouses, and individuals. They emphasize the importance of not only managing church growth and leadership but also nurturing one's own soul and identity beyond the clergy role. Through personal anecdotes and practical advice, the episode offers a roadmap for clergy to prioritize their well-being while effectively serving their congregations.

For anyone involved in church leadership or seeking inspiration to maintain a healthy balance in life, this conversation provides valuable perspectives on achieving both personal fulfillment and professional effectiveness.

A Transcript is HERE.  Expires in April.  

I owe you a link to David Foster Wallace:  This is Water.  

Dennis email is HERE.  

In this episode of Mindful Leader, host Dennis Shaw revisits a 2023 conversation with Thomas Risager, a pastor in the Danish United Methodist Church who is a candidate for the Episcopacy in the Nordic and Baltic Central Conference in early April.  

They explore the unique religious landscape of Denmark, where a small percentage of the population attends church despite the majority being church members. Thomas shares insights on how Danish churches are adapting to modern challenges, employing music, especially gospel choirs, as an evangelism tool to connect with the community.

Through anecdotes and heartfelt dialogue, this episode offers a profound look at the evolving role of the church in a secularized society and the innovative ways in which faith leaders are fostering a sense of community and spiritual connection in today's world.

In this two episode conversation, Dennis talks with Dr. Lucy Hogan, Professor Emerita of Preaching and Worship at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C.

Several sites with summaries of Dr. Hogan's distinguished credentials are: 

• Wesley Theological Seminary
• Working Preacher
• Ministry Matters

Last week (on Podbean) is here.  

Dennis and Dr. Hogan discuss the importance of community, highlighting that being prophetic is not a solitary journey but one engaged in communal fellowship, challenging status quos, and offering hope.

Through personal anecdotes and thoughtful reflection, the episode urges leaders to embrace empathy and imagination, cultivate courage, and rely on the Holy Spirit to guide their prophetic voice. Whether tackling social concerns or offering a pastoral approach to preaching, the episode encourages a new perspective on leadership that honors both individual and collective gifts in the pursuit of justice and truth.

Anamnesis and Prolepsis defined here.  We play with this idea a little.  

We mention in the podcast preaching professor Leonora Tisdale.  Here is her Yale Divinity School information and here is the book discussed. 

Transcript here and this expires March 31, 2025.  

Dennis email is here

I try and weekly recommend an excellent podcast.  Today, that is here.  This is Bari Weiss speech to the Federalist Society receiving the Olson award.  Powerful.  Should you listen, ask if Weiss is speaking the truth to power.  I am an admirer of Bari.  

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Welcome to Mindful Leader. Your host is Dennis Shaw, a retired elder in the Mountain Sky Conference of the United Methodist Church, as he delves into the topic of leadership within the local church.

In this two episode conversation, Dennis talks with Dr. Lucy Hogan, Professor Emerita of Preaching and Worship at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, D.C.

Several sites with summaries of Dr. Hogan's distinguished credentials are: 

• Wesley Theological Seminary
• Working Preacher
• Ministry Matters

Dr. Hogan shares her insights on leading prophetically in today's interesting times, underlining the importance of speaking truth to power. The conversation explores how both clergy and laity can engage in prophetic leadership, drawing on examples from church history and modern-day scenarios.

The episode starts with a reflection from the headlines in January, 2025. It highlights inspiring stories and challenges faced by leaders who seek to navigate the intersection of faith and societal issues, inviting listeners to reflect on their roles in the broader community. This is Episode 1 of a thought-provoking, two-episode, discussion that encourages courage, humility, and love in leadership.

Transcript, in theory, is HERE.  (Have been experiencing a few difficulties here. Don't hesitate to send me a note.)

Episode 2 will be released on March 3, 2025.

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Dennis email is HERE.  

Welcome to the Mindful Leader podcast hosted by Dennis Shaw, a retired elder from the Mountain Sky Conference of the United Methodist Church. This episode, features Dr. George Thompson, and we focus on leadership development in local churches. Dr. Thompson shares insights from his extensive experience and his book Church on the Edge of Somewhere. exploring the dynamics of church identity, leadership, and the societal influences on congregations.

(The grid that Dennis and Dr. Thompson discuss is shown at the bottom of these show notes.) 

Through engaging dialogue, Dr. Thompson and Dennis discuss the significance of understanding congregations as distinct entities, and how leaders can navigate the complexities of church dynamics. The conversation delves into adaptive leadership, empathetic marginality, and the importance of moving beyond conventional paradigms to inspire meaningful change.

Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of how churches can balance inner commitments with external challenges, explore innovative approaches to congregational leadership, and appreciate the rich, diverse expressions of faith within different community contexts. Join us for an enriching dialogue aimed at empowering church leaders and fostering transformation in today's ever-evolving world.

A link to the book we discussed is HERE. 

Transcript link is HERE.  

Unrelated to this particular podcast, I promised several months ago to share podcasts that animated me, and HERE is a great one on To Kill a Mockingbird.

Dennis email is HERE (and some Podcast services block it out.  It is found HERE if they have blocked it and the HERE at the start of this is not linking.  ).  

The grid we discuss in the show and mentioned above is below ...  

This is a continuation in part of a conversation Zach and I had in September (HERE).

Please share if this resonates with you!

Joined by guests Gayla Jo Slauson (Mountain Sky Co-Lay Leader), Mark Calhoun (Wyoming District Superintendent), and Zach Bechtold (Pastor, Bozeman (MT) UMC), the conversation explores how church dynamics can be a mix of tradition and innovation. Zach hosts the discussion and I join the panel for discussion.  We share insights into leadership roles, with a focus on collaborative opportunities and how lay-led churches can grow and thrive. A continuation to work on clearly emerges.  

The discussion also touches on the practical aspects of church management, like finances and resources, and the importance of keeping focus amid distractions. With perspectives from both rural and urban churches, the panelists discuss the challenges and opportunities within church communities, emphasizing the necessity of a clear mission and vision. The episode highlights the vital need for clarity and adaptability in navigating the complex landscape of modern church life.

Draft paper I mention in the show is HERE.  Those that have heard me speak at Annual Conference are probably not surprised that I am a believer when it comes to the positive net benefit from the conference.  

An earlier conversation with Gayla Jo is HERE and Mark is HERE.

Zach co-hosts his own Podcast -- Bearded Theologians.  It is excellent!  

Dennis email is HERE.(Some podcast services do not allow email addresses to be linked.  I don't know why. Dennis at mantuan dot org ... 

Transcript is HERE.  Note:  It doesn't do a good job of making a distinction between Mark and Gayla Jo (and yes, odd.)  I have sent a note to the service.  

Welcome to Mindful Leader, hosted by Dennis Shaw and focused on helping lay and clergy leadership in the local church.  

In this episode, we delve into the realm of health and wellness with guests Steve and Tracy Reinhard. Steve, retired United Methodist Clergy, and Tracy, a Certified Health Coach, join forces to foster greater well-being among individuals and communities.

The episode explores the potential influence of church leadership on promoting health, emphasizing the importance of leaders embodying vitality and progress. Steve shares his journey from retirement to renewed energy, inspired by a holistic health approach, shedding light on the scriptural grounding of self-care.

Tracy discusses the transformation achievable through cultivating foundational health habits. Her personal success story underscores the life-changing impact of embracing lifestyle changes over mere dieting. Together, they stress the significance of a healthy mindset, learning to nurture oneself, and reshaping habits to enhance overall life quality.

This insightful conversation navigates the interplay between community support, personal accountability, and mindful leadership, aiming to inspire listeners toward sustainable changes and a fulfilling, abundant life.

Note:Average weight loss on the Optimal Weight 5 & 1 Plan® is 12 pounds. Clients are in weight loss, on average, for 12 weeks.

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A bonus episode for this is HERE.  It is the entire hour plus interview.  An excellent resource for more detail and help.  Both the edited version and the unedited interview are excellent resources.  

A Transcript of this podcast is HERE.  

Tracy mentions two books by Dr. Wayne Scott Anderson.  Habits of Health and Lifebook.  

Steve mentions a book by Jim Dethmer and others:  HERE.

An earlier Mindful Leader episode with Ryan Canaday and the effect of alcohol is HERE.  An episode where Dennis talks about a more complete tool belt is HERE.  

Tracy email is HERE. 

Dennis email is HERE.  

OPTAVIA makes no guarantee of financial success. Success with OPTAVIA results from successful sales efforts, which require hard work, diligence, skill, persistence, competence, and leadership. Please see the OPTAVIA Income Disclosure Statement (HERE) for statistics on actual earnings of Coaches.

It is the "unedited" version of Steve, Tracy and my conversation on health, wellness and biblical principles on Mindful Leader.

Rich!  A deep and worthwhile dive!

Note:Average weight loss on the Optimal Weight 5 & 1 Plan® is 12 pounds. Clients are in weight loss, on average, for 12 weeks.

 OPTAVIA makes no guarantee of financial success. Success with OPTAVIA results from successful sales efforts, which require hard work, diligence, skill, persistence, competence, and leadership. Please see the OPTAVIA Income Disclosure Statement (https://optavia.me/IDS) for statistics on actual earnings of Coaches.

The edited version is HERE.  

Join Dennis Shaw, host of Mindful Leader, in a compelling conversation with Dr. Bruce Birch, retired Dean Emeritus at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington, DC.

In this episode, they delve into the profound theme of exile as depicted in the Bible and its relevance to today's world. Dr. Birch's expertise in Old Testament and Biblical Theology sheds light on the historical and emotional aspects of exile. He explores how the concept of exile has molded responses in times of crisis, offering hope and a path to renewal.

Through stories from the Biblical era to modern-day challenges, Dr. Birch discusses the importance of turning towards God's new paths, embracing change, and finding new ways to sing the Lord’s song amidst adversity. Whether you are part of a faith community or navigating your personal journey, discover the lessons of resilience, creativity, and community in times of loss and transformation. This engaging dialogue examines how the faithful can find strength and purpose when the familiar is uprooted, encouraging us all to look forward to God's new future beyond nostalgia.

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Amanda McDow is the Pastor at Los Angeles First United Methodist and they are singing a new song.  Mindful Leader Podcast is HERE.  

Here is Jonathon Haidt on a different topic than I promised and it is good.  I refund your subscription price if you don't like it!  

The real Haidt talk I am referring to in my conversation with Dr. Birch is HERE -- it is a TED Talk from 2012.  Quite good I felt.  

Next week I expect the Podcast to be on church leadership on health and wellness.  One of the guests is Tracy Reinhard and HERE is a YouTube video of her story.  

Dennis email is HERE.

Bruce Birch shares profound insights on the challenges faced when familiar foundations of life are questioned. Through this dialogue, listeners are invited to reflect on the resilience needed to navigate these "exile times."

The entire PODCAST is HERE and on your podcast service.  

The episode features Brandon Harris, the Chief Operating Officer at Generis. Brandon shares his unique journey from studying engineering to embracing a call to ministry, and how his path eventually led him to a leadership role at Generis.

Throughout the discussion, Brandon elaborates on Generis' mission to assist churches with stewardship and generosity, helping them fund their visions effectively. He explains how his personal experiences in ministry revealed the importance of discussions around faith and money, underscoring the integral role of generosity in discipleship.

Brandon offers insight into overcoming challenges in leadership, emphasizing the value of community and connection among church leaders. By shifting from scarcity to a mindset of generosity, church communities can unlock greater potential and drive impactful change, ensuring a vibrant and mission-focused future.

(The words HERE below that are bold and underlined are hyperlinks carrying you somewhere safe.).

Brandon's email at Genesis is HERE and his LinkedIn page is HERE. The Generis website is HERE.  

You can reach Dennis via email HERE.  His own LinkedIn page is HERE.

Dennis regularly listens to The Rest is History Podcast. HERE is a timely episode for MLK, Jr remembrance.  Enjoy!

Peace and Grace!

Dennis discusses the transition of the podcast focus from resource management to a broader perspective on leadership, with a particular emphasis on humility and self-awareness. He reflects on his own journey and the significance of being a 'jack-of-all-trades' in leadership to effectively tackle various challenges using carpentry to plumbing and beyond as leadership metaphors.

The episode also covers plans for the future of the Mindful Leader podcast, including increasing the frequency of episodes, incorporating more lay voices, and exploring topics beyond the Methodist tradition to engage a wider audience. Dennis invites listeners to share the podcast with others in their community and talks about the evolving landscape of podcast consumption and platforms.

Dennis email is HERE.  Texting to 801-889-7013 is welcome (Podcast mentions "clicking" but could not get it to work).  Text please. 

The Rest is History is HERE and the link is to Apple.  Excellent Podcast.  

In this episode, we're delving into leadership from a military perspective, featuring insights from Rob Abbott, a retired Marine and licensed battlefield guide at Gettysburg, and two of his students -- pastors, Jeremiah Harris and Bryson Lilly. They share their experiences in leadership development through immersive battlefield staff rides, uncovering valuable lessons on trust, communication, and self-awareness.

Discover how history, particularly significant Civil War battles like Gettysburg and Antietam, becomes a powerful tool for teaching modern leadership skills. Our guests highlight the importance of understanding "the why" behind leadership actions, fostering trust within an organization, and developing a fingertip feel for effective decision-making.

Whether you're in a corporate setting or leading a church community, these transferable skills and principles will help you build a more complete leadership toolbelt. Listen for practical advice on becoming a better leader and ensuring meaningful integration of leadership teachings into real-world applications.

Information on the Gettysburg Foundation Leadership Development program is HERE.  

Questions on their experiences can be sent to Bryson HERE and Jeremiah HERE.  

Comments for Dennis can be sent HERE.  

Our next podcast will be January 13, 2025.  

Mandy shares her experiences and the progressive vision of LA First, highlighting innovative approaches to ministry that adapt to the diverse needs of the community. Learn about the congregation's efforts in providing ministry and support in unconventional spaces and the significant impact they are making without a permanent structure.

This episode delves into the importance of understanding and aligning with the values of a community, navigating expectations, and fostering inclusivity in faith leadership.

Dennis can be reached via email HERE.  

Gain a deeper understanding of how churches can rejuvenate their mission by focusing on ministry rather than maintaining outdated buildings. Discover inspiring examples of churches successfully transforming their spaces to better serve their communities, and learn how this shift can lead to a more sustainable future.

Dive into leadership strategies that can help churches navigate these complex issues, ensuring their ministry remains vibrant and relevant in an ever-evolving world. Join us as we discuss the intersection of tradition, renewal, and innovation in church leadership.

Ryan shares his transformative journey from darkness to recovery, revealing how his personal struggles with addiction led him to create a welcoming space for those seeking healing and hope.

Through Free Recovery Community, Ryan provides a sanctuary for addicts, their loved ones, and spiritual refugees, offering a path to redemption and connection with God.

In this episode, Dennis and Ryan explore the importance of reaching out to those in need, breaking the stigma around addiction, and the role of churches in supporting recovery efforts.

Ryan's story is a testament to the power of vulnerability, resilience, and the belief that we are all in this together.

Tune in to discover how embracing our scars can lead to a more compassionate and inclusive ministry, embodying the teachings of Jesus in today's world.

Share this Podcast with others if it speaks to your heart.  

Ryan's Ministry is found HERE.  

You can reach Dennis HERE.  

Rebecca shares her insights on the concept of apostleship, inviting listeners to move from discipleship to apostleship by believing like Jesus, not just in Him. Through an engaging conversation, she explores how this shift in belief can empower individuals to achieve greater things in partnership with God, emphasizing the inseparable unity between humanity and divinity.

The episode also touches on Rebecca's work in ministry through Rebecca Simon-Peter Coaching and Consulting, and her program, Creating a Culture of Renewal, which aims to transform local churches. Join us as we explore the rich themes of unity, faith, and leadership, and discover how to apply these concepts in your own spiritual journey.

Here are some tools to help you find out more about Rebekah and her ministries:  

• Rebekah’s website
• Creating a Culture of Renewal®
• Purchase Believe Like Jesus 

Listeners will gain a deeper understanding of the seismic shifts that occurred post-General Conference 2019 and how the church community responded to the controversial decisions made. Bishop Oliveto candidly discusses the personal and professional tolls she experienced and the resilience required to lead amidst adversity.

Tune in to explore the themes of grace, love, and community as Bishop Oliveto and Dennis Shaw navigate the complexities of faith, leadership, and the ongoing journey toward a more inclusive church. This episode is a testament to the power of storytelling and the strength found in shared experiences.

Dennis can be reached via email at dennis@mantuan.org

My conversation this podcast is with Kristi Kinnison, the Executive Director of the Methodists Helping Methodists Foundation.  Kristi has a fourteenth anniversary as the Executive Director this month (October, 2024).  Her earlier Mindful Leader podcast was a joyful ode to Wesleyanism (HERE.) and, as of October 2, 2024, it was the most listened to Podcast on ML.

Kristi can be reached from resources HERE.  

We mention a national foundation "type" Board Kristi was/is on and that is HERE.  

I am trying to do two podcasts a month.  Life is a little complicated right now, but if you have any thoughts -- my email is dennis@mantuan.org and I welcome email.  Fire away!

If you desire a transcript, send me a note and I will get you a PDF.  

The Annual Conference is a component part of the structure of the United Methodist Church.  Mountain Sky Conference is vast in geography:  all of Montana, Wyoming, Utah, Colorado, and one county in Idaho. I posit, that besides it administrative role, it should also be the key developer of leadership, lay and clergy, in our area.

Draft paper I mention in the show is HERE.  Those that have heard me speak at Annual Conference are probably not surprised that I am a believer when it comes in the positive net benefit from the conference.  

My conversation with Co-Lay Leader Gayla Jo Slauson is HERE and my conversation with District Superintendent Mark Calhoun is HERE. (I do put a "chapter" mark at about 37 minutes and again at 38:22 to see if I could help you find his thoughts.)

Zach has his own, excellent, podcast -- Bearded Theologians.  

A movie about his life is coming out in November and the 80th anniversary of his execution by the Nazis will be in April, 2025.  

HERE is a 15 minute "play" I performed using DB's words to create how he might have reflected on his life as he awaited execution.  It is of course, midrash.  

My guest for this podcast is District Superintendent, Mark Calhoun.  Mark is a thoughtful observer of all things United Methodist.  

If you like it, forward it to someone, or more than one!  

This is Mark Calhoun's second visit and his first Mindful Leader Podcast is HERE. Mark's' first conversation focused on context and how much that matters in our local church leadership.  

Discussion with Lonnie Brooks, Alaska Conference Lay Delegate to General Conference, about Regionalization is HERE.  

Conversation with Gayla Jo Slauson, Lay Delegate to General Conference from Mountain Sky Conference, is HERE.  

I mention, positively I hope, Jeremy Smith and his blog Hacking Christianity.  The blog I specifically addressed is HERE.   

HERE is a Chart I created of Episcopal Elections in the West since 1968.  I think it is quite telling.  

Send me a note:  dennis@mantuan.org if you want to discuss.