As part of a recent series on the In All Things blog, Doornbos and Schaap discuss disappearing landscapes, rural communities, rich histories, and the unexpected beauty that comes from committing to a place, inviting us to consider how faithful attentiveness deepens our sense of belonging in the places to which we are called.

Their conversation invites us to rethink creativity, explore purposeful uses of AI, and pursue growth and kingdom impact over convenience or efficiency.

Together, they reflect on how to challenge our blind spots and confront the idolatry that often grows out of our assumptions. Drawing from their recent essays for the In All Things blog, Roth and Kearney invite us to pay closer attention to the contradictions we carry and to pursue a faithful life in the midst of them.

Read their full essays from the In All Things blog "Modern Idols" series at the following links:

• https://www.dordt.edu/in-all-things/making-sense-of-modernity
• https://www.dordt.edu/in-all-things/on-the-other-hand-the-unity-of-contraries-in-a-world-of-conflict

• How the podcast started and how it kept going
• Statistics, highlights (top moment!), and most downloaded episodes
• The logic behind the books and authors chosen
• All that goes into producing and hosting a podcast
• How hosting a podcast has formed me as a host
• What I've learned about asking better questions
• What surprised me along the way

Thanks for tuning in over these 70 episodes! 

Why I'm hanging up the headphones: https://www.dordt.edu/news/justin-bailey-dean-of-chapel

• How do we take each passage of Scripture on its own terms while also being attentive to the way it points us to Jesus?
• Is there value in a "step-by-step" method for reading the Bible?
• What does it mean (and not mean) to take the bible "literally"?
• What are some of the bad reading habits we've picked up and what are some better ones?
• What does it mean to be "biblical"?

Get the book: https://zondervanacademic.com/products/mere-christian-hermeneutics 

More from Dr. Vanhoozer: https://www.kevinjvanhoozer.com/about 

• The ways that "worldview" can go wrong, especially when used as an organizing principle for Christian education.
• Why worldview can lead to "painting by the numbers" instead of the placing of tiles in a mosaic
• Why the biblical concept of "wisdom" may offer a better way forward, and why it is better to build towards worldview (inductively) than from it (deductively)
• Tensions in the concept of wisdom and whether there is a parallel to general vs. special revelation
• Whether the real problem is the modern push for uniformity
• Why Christian institutions need to double down on doctrine and catechesis, insisting that we look "at" what Christians believe and not just "through" the world view lens

Get the book: https://lexhampress.com/product/305968/against-worldview-reimagining-christian-formation-as-growth-in-wisdom 

Justin's note: I wrote a review of this book for Christianity Today, and we bring up points of that review a few times during the podcast. The review is here: https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/02/against-worldview-wisdom-simon-kennedy-abraham-kuyper-christian-education/

• On the “tokens of safety” that fill our world and what it says about our values
• How Covid manifested and accelerated our pursuit of safety.
• The history of our pursuit of safety in three stages: humanity against the gods, humanity against nature, and humanity against itself.
• Three core elements of the modern pursuit of safety: predicting the future, using technology to control the material world, and developing uniform procedures to ensure safety.
• How the call of discipleship situates and sometimes challenges the pursuit of safety
• What Christian parents might hope for their children when it comes to safety

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/the-pursuit-of-safety

• The sometimes fraught relationship between artists and the church and how we can do better
• Why Christians may struggle with the arts
• The relationship of creativity and limits 
• The process of making and whether it is more a matter of inspiration or "perspiration" 
• What artists need to hear from or about the church and what the church needs to hear from or about artists.

Matthew Doll is a painter, graphic designer, gallery director, and has been the Program Director of the Gordon IN Orvieto semester program since 2011.

More from Matt: https://matthew-doll.squarespace.com/ 

• Some of the biggest misconceptions and surprises about teaching
• What it means to develop a "teaching imagination" and to say that teaching is a calling.
• The relationship between play, improvisation, and technique in the classroom
• How to take our work seriously without taking ourselves seriously
• How to teach "who we are" while also taking into account what students need and what the material requires
• Why most definitions of what it means to teach Christianly are incomplete

Even if you're not working in Christian education, it's a great opportunity to look over the shoulder of a master teacher who is passionate about his craft. 

Get the book: https://www.drdavemulder.com/teaching-is-a-journey/ 

David Mulder's website: https://www.drdavemulder.com/ 

• What has stood out to us and our groups as we've read Calvin together
• The most under-appreciated aspects of Calvin's theology
• Why Calvin is known primarily for the doctrine of predestination even though it hasn't shown up yet in the reading
• Favorite passages thus far
• How Calvin's ideas show up concretely in Reformed churches and institutions
• Encouragement for those who are finding the reading difficult to keep going

Additional resources:

Our original podcast discussion before starting the Institutes

Our reading schedule: https://shorturl.at/Yow8x 

Calvin's Institutes (2 volume Battles edition) 

Calvin's Institutes (1 volume Beveridge edition)

Calvin's Institutes online edition (CCEL/Beveridge)

• Why asking "what gives you hope?" may not be the best question and why "what do you love" is a better one
• Why it is so important that hope reckons with evil in its most disheartening forms
• Where joy might be found in the midst of the brokenness of the world
• How we can fight the impulse of paralysis or exhaustion
• The importance of recognizing our interdependence within creation
• What it means to say that love is "improvisational" and a "dance"

Get the book: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300272659/loves-braided-dance/

• The process of writing a different sort of biography of Tim Keller, focused on the people who influenced him
• Notable influences on Keller's ministry, with familiar and unfamiliar names (Kathy Keller, Jonathan Edwards, C.S. Lewis, R.C. Sproul, Elizabeth Elliot, Ed Clowney, Jack Miller, Barbara Boyd)
• What to make of the (recent) online backlash against Keller
• An updated assessment of the "young, restless, and reformed" movement from the person who helped coin the term
• The relationship of "Reformed" and "evangelical" and how they could be a source of renewal for each other
• How the work of journalism might be redeemed as a way of telling stories about the way that God is at work in the world.

Get the book: https://www.zondervan.com/9780310128700/timothy-keller/ 

• Dr. Rosario's story of his life with Calvin, and how Calvin made a difference growing up in Puerto Rico, studying in NY, pastoring in a rural community, and now teaching at a Jesuit University.
• Assessing Calvin's legacy and responding to his detractors 
• "Liking" Calvin vs. respecting and appreciating Calvin
• The parallels and divergences between Calvin and liberation theology
• Calvin (and Calvinism) responding to the experience of exile and the phenomenon of refugees
• Calvin's transnational ecclesiology and what we can learn from him today

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/calvin-for-the-world-rub-n-rosario-rodr-guez/553612 

• What it means to say that the middle can be a place of courage, imagination, and hope
• When "not fitting anywhere" can be a gift and a calling
• Christian universities as middle spaces and the responsibility to steward trust while embracing complexity
• Counsel for teachers in the classroom and for the local church 

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/Claiming-the-Courageous-Middle-Shirley-A-Mullen/542817

• Why the imagination is so powerful and why it's not enough to turn away from bad inputs
• How our neglect of the imagiantion weakens our powers of discernment
• Examples of the riches of the Christian imaginative tradition
• On medieval bestiaries and the importance of learning the names of things
• The balance between meeting people where they are and taking them to strange new places
• Why transformation doesn't happen magically and how we might become more attentive to what is forming us.

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/becoming-by-beholding-lanta-davis/542815

More from Lanta Davis: https://www.lantadavis.com/

• What it means to say that "beauty is oxygen"
• The way beauty meets those who are "buffered", "battered", and "bored"
• Criticisms of the concept of beauty as too narrow
• The relationship between the beauty of the world and the beauty of God (or, why John Piper might be wrong about it)
• The relationship of beauty and justice
• How we might grow in attentiveness and awe 

Get the book: https://www.eerdmans.com/9780802883254/

More on Dr. Vander Lugt: https://www.wesleyvanderlugt.com/

• Calvin's biography
• Our first exposure to Calvin and the Institutes
• Common (mis)conceptions about Calvin - on TULIP, austerity, and the execution of Servetus
• A brief history of the Institutes, how they are organized and introduced
• Helpful tips for reading the Institutes

If you are interested in reading along during this academic year, here are some resources:

Our reading schedule: https://shorturl.at/Yow8x 

Calvin's Institutes (2 volume Battles edition) 

Calvin's Institutes (1 volume Beveridge edition)

Calvin's Institutes online edition (CCEL/Beveridge)

• Why we operate with a low, transactional view of work
• The effects of the fall on the way we experience work
• The relationship of money and meaning, and of success and significance.
• What it means to say that all honest work is "full time ministry" or "kingdom service"
• The relationship of work to ambition and to rest
• The future of work, especially in light of emerging technologies

More about the book: https://www.fulltimebook.com/ 

• The diagnosis of "toxic masculinity" and when the diagnosis itself becomes an attack on men
• The cultural perception of what it means to be a "good man" vs. a "real man"
• The significant divergence of research findings when it comes to committed Christian men and nominal Christian men 
• Historical roots of the masculine crisis in industrialization and social Darwinism
• The significance of the rise of "alpha male" influencers like Andrew Tate
• Counsel for families, parents, and pastors in addressing the crisis of masculinity

Get the book, The Toxic War on Masculinity: https://www.amazon.com/Toxic-War-Masculinity-Christianity-Reconciles/dp/0801075734

More on Professor Pearcey: Nancy Pearcey's latest book is The Toxic War on Masculinity: How Christianity Reconciles the Sexes. Her earlier books include Love Thy Body: Answering Hard Questions about Life and Sexuality, The Soul of Science, Saving Leonardo, Finding Truth, and two ECPA Gold Medallion Award Winners: How Now Shall We Live (coauthored with Harold Fickett and Chuck Colson) and Total Truth. Her books have been translated into 20 languages. She is professor and scholar in residence at Houston Christian University. A former agnostic, Pearcey has spoken at universities such as Princeton, Stanford, USC, and Dartmouth. She has been quoted in The New Yorker and Newsweek, highlighted as one of the five top women apologists by Christianity Today, and hailed in The Economist as "America's pre-eminent evangelical Protestant female intellectual."

• Dr. Favale's story of her journey from conservative evangelicalism to gender studies scholar to Catholic convert
• What it might mean to be a "feminist" and the distinctive characteristics of the four "waves" of feminism
• A clear definition of what it means to be a woman
• What it might mean to disagree with the gender paradigm while also caring for persons who have adopted it
• Wrestling with the contemporary issue of pronoun use
• What Dr. Favale would say to young women in contemporary society

Get the book: https://ignatius.com/the-genesis-of-gender-ggp/

Follow Dr. Favale: https://abigailfavale.wixsite.com/home

• What it means to pursue a non-reductive account of gender, that takes the body seriously as well as the ways we live socially and culturally. 
• Why it is attractive but also problematic to see gender purely as a social construct
• Why solidarity and justice requires some sort of gender essentialism
• How the category of love can help organize the way that we think about identity, gender, and social goods
• Whether disability is an adequate category for dealing with difficulties in gender
• On what it might mean to move towards "friendship" with our bodies in the midst of the forces of sin and death

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/Gender-as-Love-Fellipe-do-Vale/516474

More on Dr. Fellipe do Vale: https://www.redeemer.ca/resound/god-at-the-centre/ 

• Distinguishing between better and worse ways of reading ourselves into the biblical story
• Uniquely American habits of reading the nation into the biblical story, taking every promise or command as directed towards national life.
• Worries about the wide range of political perspectives that are credited to the Bible
• What we might learn from comparing presidents' speeches at the National Prayer breakfast
• What it means to cite Scripture in a diverse, religiously pluralistic society
• The faithful use of politics in the pulpit and in public life

Get the book: https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/492154

Follow Kaitlyn Schiess: https://kaitlynschiess.com/ 

• What it means to say that giving thanks is the key to our well being
• The relationship between the spontaneity of "feeling thankful" and the intentional practice of "cultivating gratitude"
• How we might learn from others in our lives or biblical characters as an "apprenticeship" of gratitude
• The difference between the biblical virtue of gratitude and gratitude as "self-improvement"
• Gratitude in the Reformed tradition and other streams
• Counsel for those who struggle to be grateful and where we might start.

Get the book: http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/gratitude/414400

• Have American Christians always loved Lewis? How does the reception of Lewis among Catholics, Protestants, and the mainstream press shed light on American religious culture, then and now?
• Why were evangelicals the slowest to appreciate Lewis, and what accounts for the change? How does evangelical enthusiasm for Lewis connect to the "scandal of the evangelical mind"?
• Is there anything interesting about reception of Lewis among the Reformed, Kuyperians and others?
• Could there be another C.S. Lewis in our time? Should we even be looking for such a figure?
• As a historian looking at our contemporary times, what are some reasons for discouragement and what are some reasons for hope?

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/c-s-lewis-in-america 

• Why it is important to not separate Bible study from life but to do biblical reflection together with our deepest questions.
• Some of the most significant discoveries about the way that Scripture talks about evil, including one group of words that appears with the word "evil" about 2/3 of the time.
• Questions from my students: why even include the tree in the garden? And why let the serpent roam free? Doesn't this set up humans to fail?
• Counsel on how to name evil in the world and in other humans while also remembering the dignity of our fellow image bearers.
• How we can take responsibility for the evil we've suffered without becoming defined by it. 
• In a world that regularly exposes us to global injustice and atrocity, how do we keep from being overwhelmed?

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/demystifying-evil

• David's journey to becoming "a man without a party" and whether this marginalizes him on both sides or gives him a unique opportunity
• The shifting discourse from "the other side is wrong" to "the other side is evil"
• The possibility of the breakup of the American republic ("Calexit" and "Texit")
• Postures that are necessary to weather the upcoming election cycle
• How to discern "dangerous ideas" and to engage in public witness with compassion and conviction

Get the book: https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250201973/dividedwefall

Included music on this episode: "People Are People Too" from the Ruralists album "Trying." Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/  

• "When God died, art was born." How the Christian story - of the death and resurrection of God the Son - made art possible 
• How art can train the imagination to look at the world in the right way, recognizing dignity and not reducing others to ourselves.
• The consequences when we neglect to disciple our imaginations, and some of the unintended results of the Reformation turn from the visual towards the verbal.
• The burden of living in the contemporary "society of the spectacle," where we feel that we must make ourselves.
• What makes something art, what makes for "good art," and how to build bridges between artists and the church.

• “Our destiny is the product of the real work we do amid the secret life of the universe with God’s providential help. We are too foolish to see it. But love sees it.” (201)

Get the book: https://wipfandstock.com/9781532645648/bezalels-body/

Included music on this episode is "Murmur" from the Ruralists album "Trying." Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/  

• Why some people fear and might be suspicious of "ritual" 
• How we already ritualize (though we may not call it that)
• Fascinating psychological research on the power of rituals, and how even calling something a ritual may increase its potency.
• How our rituals may go wrong and become "empty"
• What sorts of things we should ritualize, and what it means to create powerful rituals.

Dr. Abdallah shares a powerful story about living in NY during 9/11, and the role rituals played in the aftermath. She also takes time to lead us in an exercise at the end. 

Get the book: https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/516480

Follow Dr. Abdallah: https://www.amydavisa.com/ 

Included music on this episode is "HereNow" from the Ruralists album "Trying." Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/  

• The disconnect between the contemporary practice of philosophy and the deep philosophical crises many are having
• What philosophy can offer that happiness studies or design theory can't
• How to ask stronger questions that move towards contemplation rather than control
• Love as a virtues that requires a greater capacity for attention than action
• How students are wrestling with faith and counsel for parents who worry about them
• The essential task of facing sadness and suffering

About 33 minutes in, Dr. Sullivan reads a passage from the book that is worth the price of admission. Get the book: https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/624476/the-good-life-method-by-meghan-sullivan-and-paul-blaschko 

Included music on this episode is "In Between" from the Ruralists album Trying. Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/ 

• Why understanding Christianity as a way of life (including practices, beliefs, and experiences) requires a systematic theology
• How to do justice to the diversity of Christian tradition while also emphasizing attention to particular traditions 
• A practical doctrine of Sabbath that understands rest as more than just a cessation of work
• A practical doctrine of creation that starts with a way of caring for creation as God's gift
• The crucial practice of seeing God's image in others
• Why our practices fail, and what we may hope as we practice Christian faith

Note: in the podcast, Dr. Hector references "tongsung kido" a Korean Christian practice of praying aloud at the same time as others.

Get the book: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300244090/christianity-as-a-way-of-life/

Included music on this episode is "Before We Know" from the Ruralists album Trying. Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/ 

• How AI was already present in our everyday experience prior to the new tools
• A range of definitions and distinctions: narrow AI vs. general AI, superintelligence vs. the singularity
• The structure and direction of AI, and how the image of God can guide our engagement
• What we should and shouldn't worry about and what we should and shouldn't celebrate
• Counsel for students and teachers when it comes to AI

Follow Jason Thacker: https://jasonthacker.com/

Included music on this episode is "Mother Mary" from the Ruralists album Trying. Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/  

• Are humans nothing more than advanced animals?
• Is human intelligence of the same sort as the artificial intelligence we find in computers?
• Can we base human uniqueness in "intellect" without diminishing those cognitive disabilities?
• What does it mean to say that humans are a "body-soul complex"? Can we speak about a "soul" without diminishing the body?
• What is the practical or pastoral significance of discussing human uniqueness?

Get the book: https://wipfandstock.com/9781725267770/aquinas-science-and-human-uniqueness/

Included music on this episode is "Strange Machines" from the Ruralists album Trying. Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/ 

• Why the imagination matters and what it means to speak of "the evangelical imagination" and why the cover of the book is "kitschy"
• How the evangelical desire to engage culture (shared by some varieties of Reformed Christianity) has meant that faith is captive to cultural currents
• Why the metaphor of being "born again" has such purchase on the American evangelical imagination, for good and ill
• What it means to engage in "examination as an act of love" not just a work of criticism or deconstruction
• How we might discern the difference between building faithful institutions and building empires
• Counsel for those who teach as well as for those who find themselves discouraged by the state of things

Get the book: https://bakerbookhouse.com/products/492150

Follow Dr. Prior: https://karenswallowprior.com/ 

Included music on this episode is "(dis)appear" from the Ruralists album Trying. Find lyrics and more here: https://www.fullyruralized.com/ 

• The story of the band, the name of the band, and the name of the album
• What "ruralism" is and what it means to celebrate and advocate rural life
• How teaching and spending time with college students shapes the songs
• What it means to use faith as "a lens and not a hammer"
• What it means to say that song is a "Dooyeweerdian" song
• What it means to say that songs should be more like sermons and less like prayers, and the relationship is between making claims and exploring possibilities

Get the album: https://fullyruralized.bandcamp.com/album/trying

Listen to the album: https://www.fullyruralized.com/trying 

More on the band: https://www.fullyruralized.com 

***Special thanks to Alex Priore, Jack Underwood, and the production arts team who made the event happen with excellent quality and stellar style.***

Lyrics to "Murmur"

You’re a murmur of starlings

Darling

All your ever-shifting parts

A work of modern art

That I cannot understand

And I can’t look away

Or convey

All my slip-sliding thoughts

All twisted up in knots

Explaining how I feel

So I’ll keep writing you all these love songs

All my life long

Trying to get it right

And you’ll keep asking me

Why I do it

Why I can’t quit

But I just don’t know how

It’s just like breathing now

I’m an old tv set

Trying to get

The picture to come in

With strips of kitchen tin

Wrapped around my ears

But it’s mostly just snow

Even though I’m giving it my best

I just haven’t got it yet

As clear as it can be

So I’ll keep writing you all these love songs

All my life long

Trying to get it right

And you’ll keep asking me

Why I do it

Why I can’t quit

But I just don’t know how

It’s just like breathing now

There’s a word that I learned

From a friend

About saying what you’ve got

By saying what it’s not

Possible to say

So then all that I know

I suppose

Of language and of rhyme

Of being and of time

Means nothing without you

Lyrics to "Mother Mary"

I keep trying to see the face

Of mother mary full of grace

In an apple core

In a sticky bun

In a stretch of clouds

In the setting sun

But all that’s there is just the flesh and peel

Just the carmeled crust and the pink and teal of harvest dust

I keep trying to tell you how

I have always loved you like I love you now

But my tongue gets thick and my brain brain goes slack

And all these words come out bric-a-brac

And all that’s there is just the metaphor

It’s not the whole of you 

It’s not the crux and core

It’s not the through and through

I keep trying to understand

How a dram of atoms makes the man

And the woman too

Is that the whole of us?

Just a clump of dirt?

Just a cloud of dust?

And that’s there is just some chemistry

The arithmetic of you and me

And the human heart is just a fine machine

Not a work of art filled with kerosene

Not a mystery of colossal scope

Not a duffel bag of fear and hope

Not a megaphone of love and hate

Not a talisman to keep us safe

Not a rattletrap always breaking down

Not a spiderweb 

Not a shantytown

Not a creaking bridge

Not a tank brigade

Not an oracle

Not a masquerade

Just a thing that bangs and beats and pounds

And throbs and churns and wails and sounds

And maybe all we are is dust

Maybe that’s the whole of us

But maybe we are magic too

Impossible and completely true

Through and through

Lyrics to "People are People Too"

People are people too

Just like me and you

From the tops of our heads

To the foot of our beds

People are people too

You seem to think they’re not

You seem to think they’re not

You treat them like things

And not human beings

But people are people too

Of course it’s the same for me

Of course it’s the same for me

It’s hard to admit

But I often forget

That people are people too

So then what can be done

So then what can be done

Just what do we need

For us to agree

That people are people too

People are people too

Just like me and you

From the buds of our tongues

To the air in our lungs

People are people too

People are really strange

People are really strange

We do what we won’t

And believe what we don’t

But people are people too

Sometimes they drive you nuts

Sometimes they drive you nuts

So we try to negate

With our labels and hate

But people are people too

Time here is really short

Time here is really short

So let’s make up a plan

To be as kind as we can

Because people are people too

• What is CRT, and why has it become such a lightning rod? How can we demystify it to engage it in a meaningful way?
• How does the CRT concept of "community cultural wealth" connect with a Christian account of creative diversity?
• How does the CRT claim that "racism is ordinary" connect with the Christian doctrine of pervasive sin?
• What should we make of the criticisms of CRT that it redefines the terms of racism to see racism in everyone and everything, that it is nebulous and totalizing, and that it creates a new sort of fundamentalism that is light on grace?
• What are the greatest points of tension between Christianity and CRT?
• How might this conversation connect for Reformed Christians, specifically?
• How do we learn to see power, without power becoming the only thing we see?

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/Christianity-and-Critical-Race-Theory-Robert-Chao-Romero/436007

• The difference between the categories of "mental suffering" and "mental illness" and why there might be a danger in over-relying on the category of mental illness
• Why the younger generation in particular seems to struggle to get out of bed, and what might give them courage to do so.
• How literature, especially The Road by Cormac McCarthy offers us an embodied answer to the question of getting out of bed.
• Counsel for those who walk with loved ones who struggle with more debilitating mental illness
• Hope for those who struggle to believe that the grace of Christ (rather than suffering) is the deepest reality

We hope that whether this is your testimony, or whether you walk with those who struggle to get out of bed, that you find this conversation helpful.

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/on-getting-out-of-bed

About Alan Noble: https://www.oalannoble.com/ 

• Why worship is just as much a matter of the body as the head or the heart.
• What it means to worship God "in Spirit and in Truth" (John 4)
• The idea of "body knowledge" and how it shapes us over time
• Surprises from church history about body postures in worship
• How to navigate debates over "originalism" and "the regulative principle" in light of cultural difference in the way we use our bodies in worship.
• Counsel for worship planners to engage the body in an authentic way
• Why it seems like worship doesn't always seem to work.
• How technological shifts towards online services shape the way we think of our bodies in worship

Get the book: https://bakeracademic.com/p/A-Body-of-Praise-W-David-O-Taylor/466164

More about David Taylor: https://www.wdavidotaylor.com/ 

• Who was Dorothy Sayers? What are some of her works that we should know?
• The controversy that surrounded the original production of the radio plays and how it drove publicity and affected the final forms of the plays.
• Which characters were the most challenging to depict and which creative decisions were most successful
• How Sayers sought to write plays with ecumenical appeal, for the whole church rather than merely for a particular denomination.
• What Sayers might have to say to creative artists today.

We hope the conversation will encourage everyone to pick up a copy of the plays for themselves, or at least to allow this conversation to lift the film of familiarity from the great and true story that is the gospel.

Get the Wade Annotated Edition: https://www.ivpress.com/the-man-born-to-be-king

Listen to the plays: https://www.amazon.com/Man-Born-Be-King-Collection/dp/B09HSM8FJ9 

Other works by Dorothy Sayers mentioned in the conversation

Lord Peter Wimsey series (15 book series)

Introduction and Translation of Dante's Divine Comedy (Penguin classic)

The Zeal of Thy House

"The Mind of the Maker"

"The Lost Tools of Learning"

Other authors and books and authors mentioned in the conversation:

Gina Dalfanzo, Dorothy and Jack: The Transforming Friendship of Dorothy L. Sayers and C. S. Lewis 

Ronald Gurner, We Crucify!

• Dr. Rosner's story about finding Jesus and rediscovering her Jewish roots
• The sad history of Jewish and Christian relations
• How we can remember the Jewishness of the New Testament
• Some of the ways that well-meaning Christians perpetuate negative stereotypes about Judaism
• How Judaism can help us resist dualism through rediscovering the embodied character of faith and worship
• Some of the more encouraging developments in Jewish-Christian scholarship

For more about Dr. Rosner: https://www.jenrosner.com/

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/finding-messiah

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Mark S. Kinzer, Jerusalem Crucified Jerusalem Risen

Dallas Willard, The Spirit of the Disciplines

NT Wright, Surprised by Hope

• The role of imagination as a pastor and as a poet
• How the Christian faith requires all of us to develop poetic imagination
• The process of writing poetry based on the biblical text
• Honoring the poetic voices that formed us in writing new poetry
• The process of writing poetry for sound and playing with structure
• The relationship of poetry and prayer

A highlight of this episode is when Drew reads two of his poems so that we can hear them in his voice. 

Get the new collection: https://www.ivpress.com/touch-the-earth

Get the previous collection: https://www.ivpress.com/god-speaks-through-wombs

Other poets and authors mentioned in the podcast:

Rainer Maria Rilke

Langston Hughes

Ta-Nehisi Coates

Kiese Lamon

Paul Louis Dunbar

Mary Oliver

Margaret Atwood

Barbara Holmes

Howard Thurman

Tony Hoagland

Sharon Old

Joey Graham

Jericho Brown

Mary Oliver

Elizabeth Alexander

Cheryl Sanders

• What is Neo-Calvinism? What makes it "neo"? Is it broad or specific?
• What does it mean to restore and renew instead of to "repristinate" a tradition?
• How do we value the unique calling & perspective of a particular tradition while also recognizing the larger body of Christ? 
• What does it mean to say that "grace restores nature"?
• How do we answer the charge that "every square inch" leads to triumphalism, or even Christian nationalism? What's the difference?
• What is the nature of our hope for "re-creation"? What do Neo-Calvinists believe about the age to come, the renewal of all things, and the "beatific vision" (encountering God face-to-face)?

We will also be running a series of reviews on the book, going chapter by chapter, which are available here: https://inallthings.org/

Get the book: https://lexhampress.com/product/224276/neo-calvinism-a-theological-introduction 

Cory and Gray's podcast, Grace in Common: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/grace-in-common/id1609942093 

• How time spent in imaginary and literary worlds can slow us down and train our attention, helping us to become better stewards of creation.
• How learning to appreciate the beauty of creation empowers us to protect it.
• Why lament matters when it feels like our efforts are largely in vain
• What sort of practices can be cultivated and what other authors help us slow down and see

In All Things link (transcript available): https://inallthings.org/podcast-slowing-down-to-hear-creations-song-with-kristen-page-2/ 

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/the-wonders-of-creation

Read Hannah Landman's review: https://inallthings.org/active-imaginations-a-review-of-wonders-of-creation/ 

Read Dr. Carl Fictorie's review: https://inallthings.org/embracing-ecology-and-fantasy-a-review-of-the-wonders-of-creation/ 

Authors mentioned in this podcast:

C.S. Lewis, The Chronicles of Narnia

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings

Marilynne Robinson, Gilead

Richard Powers, The Overstory

Robin Wall Kimmer, Braiding Sweetgrass & Gathering Moss

Wendell Berry (anything)

Robert McFarland, Landmarks 

Aldo Leopold, Sand County Almanac

Jean Carolyn Craighead George

• How some demands for forgiveness might actually do more harm to those who have been hurt.
• How we can escape the binary of "remember or retaliate" or "forgive and forget"
• What forgiveness looks like that is rooted in grief or mourning
• Why literary works might hold special value for helping us grasp the complexities of forgiveness
• On what we may hope for forgiveness when it comes to the end of all things (eschatology)
• When it comes to forgiveness, what we are being asked to do, and what we are not being asked to do

Get the book: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300259858/forgiveness/

This thirtieth episode was special because we recorded it in-person in front of a live audience, who you may sometimes hear in the background. In any case, the conversation was an absolute joy, and you won’t want to miss Dr. McCaulley reading from his book near the end of the podcast, a moment that brought tears to my eyes. Among the topics we discuss:

• The connections between Dr. McCaulley's two books, one which introduces us to a vital interpretive tradition (Black biblical interpretation) and one which introduces us to a vital liturgical tradition (the church calendar). 
• On how we can honor, inhabit, and integrate multiple traditions simultaneously with integrity
• On how to read Scripture so that it can surprise us and can tell us what we don't already know
• On what difference observing the liturgical season of Lent might mean for the disinherited

Get Dr. McCaulley's new book: https://www.ivpress.com/lent-fts 

More about Dr. McCaulley: https://esaumccaulley.com/ 

Read my review of Reading While Black: https://inallthings.org/exercising-hope-a-review-of-reading-while-black/ 

• How burnout, loneliness, and “us vs. them” are signs of a high anthropology
• How low anthropology alleviates "imposter syndrome" and sets us free from the "fantasy self we are failing to become"
• Why communities organized around vulnerability and weakness are healthier and more hopeful than communities organized around strength and success.
• How low anthropology responds to contemporary phenomena like celebrity culture and cancel culture
• How sermons, churches, and discipleship look different when we operate on the priority of the heart rather than the head.

Get the book: http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/low-anthropology/410250

Check out Mockingbird Ministries: https://mbird.com/ 

• Why ordinary people might be interested in developmental psychology
• Why these five (Erikson, Bowlby, Skinner, Bandura, and Evolutionary Psychology) were selected for the book.
• Dr. Gunnoe's "faith-based working model of the human person"
• The relationship of psychology and religion and why we should learn from others who do not share our faith
• The implications of things like attachment theory for discipleship

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/the-person-in-psychology-and-christianity

Dr. Mark Christians's review: https://inallthings.org/of-psychology-and-christianity-a-review-of-the-person-in-psychology-and-christianity/

• Bill's story – which includes work as a missionary, study with Dutch scholar Hans Rookmaaker, theologizing about visual art, and theological reflection on numerous topics – what ties all of these interests together?
• On why it is so important that we deal with "the facts on the ground" and learn to discern "cultural wisdom" as we engage the world in which we live.
• On how we deal with the critique that in our desire to discern God's work within culture, we might be overly optimistic, giving God credit for the wrong things
• On what criteria we might use to discern wisdom from foolishness.
• On how Bill connected with the Kuyperian tradition, what he appreciates about it, and what he thinks we need to critique. 
• The difference between cultural theology and public theology, and what he hopes culturally attuned theologians will give their attention to.

Get Bill Dyrness's new book, The Facts on the Ground: https://www.amazon.com/Facts-Ground-Wisdom-Theology-Culture/dp/1725299631

Get Bill's earlier book, Poetic Theology: https://www.amazon.com/Poetic-Theology-Poetics-Everyday-Life/dp/080286578X 

• Stephanie's story of deepening her youthful activism with theological roots
• What is "public" justice, and what does the Center for Public Justice do?
• How does CPJ approach a problem like poverty?
• How do we move forward in a deeply polarized time?
• What does it mean for ordinary people to be politically engaged beyond just voting every few years?
• How do you find hope amid the political cynicism of our time?

To learn more:

Center for Public Justice: https://www.cpjustice.org/public/page/content/homepage 

Shared Justice: https://www.sharedjustice.org

Unleashing Opportunity book: https://www.sharedjustice.org/unleashing-opportunity 

More about the Hatfield Prize: https://www.sharedjustice.org/apply

Follow CPJ on Twitter: https://twitter.com/cpjustice

• What it means to become incisive interpreters, not just of Scripture, but also of culture. 
• What it means to discern cultural idolatries, starting with our own
• How we can empower students to move beyond "reputation management" and "slacktivism" to act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly.
• What it might mean to take aesthetics seriously in schools, churches, and society. 
• How we can model "non-reductive curiosity" as we engage culture. 

Get the book: http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/interpreting-your-world/410460 

About Dave, Matt, and Abby at the Hallway Conversations podcast (https://hallwayconvos.podbean.com/): 

"We are three friends who have been teaching for quite a while, but we still have lots of questions about education. This is our place for thinking out loud about topics we think are important for Christian educators to consider. We regularly have face-to-face hallway conversations, and this podcast is our way of inviting you in to our reflections on contemporary education.

Our deep hope is that you would find these conversations an opportunity for your own reflection–that you would be challenged and encouraged in your work as an educator, and that you might even chuckle along as we think on our feet and stumble through trying to answer each others questions about what it means to take our faith seriously as we consider our work as educators.

Feel free to drop us a line at hallwayconvospod@gmail.com."

Follow Dr. Dave Mulder's substack: https://drdave.substack.com/ 

Follow Dr. Matthew Beimers: https://twitter.com/beim_m 

Follow Abby DeGroot: https://twitter.com/DeGrootAbby 

• Why celebrity culture is a uniquely modern phenomenon.
• What it means to say that celebrity is a "feature, not a bug" of the evangelical movement, and the spiritual implications
• What it might mean to resist the values of celebrity culture in the church and in the Christian publishing industry
• Why obscurity and ordinary faithfulness are so important for followers of Christ

Get Katelyn's book: http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/celebrities-for-jesus/406890 

To read Ruth Clark's review: https://inallthings.org/reckoning-with-status-and-realigning-our-hearts-a-review-of-celebrities-for-jesus/ 

- How we can place technology, engineering, and design in the wider Christian story

- How technology tends to make itself "invisible" and the implications of that?

- What it might look like to design a home thermostat with more than just temperature in mind

- How we can move towards a definition of "flourishing" the goal of good design

- A fascinating case study about the rise and fall of the electric vehicle in the late 1800s/early 1900s.

- How we can navigate between technological optimism and pessimism, and what every Christian engineering student should know.

Get the book: https://www.ivpress.com/a-christian-field-guide-to-technology-for-engineers-and-designers

To read Dr. Kayt Frisch's review: https://inallthings.org/how-is-your-technology-use-shaping-you-today-a-review-of-a-christian-field-guide-to-technology-for-engineers-and-designers/

• Dr. Bacote's testimony of his encounter with Abraham Kuyper's theology and racism, marked by delight, dissonance, distress, and decision.
• Why it is so important to listen to the testimonies of those who have struggled to reconcile evangelicalism's promise with its failures
• Why Dr. Bacote has decided to stay within the evangelical movement and what resources are available for reckoning with race and renewing the movement
• Why we must take culture seriously as we interpret Scripture
• The most important resources from Kuyper and what other thinker Kuyperians should get to know.

Resources mentioned in this podcast:

Dr. Bacote's article, "Gifts from Father Abraham": https://comment.org/gifts-from-father-abraham/

Learning from a Legend by Jared Alcantara: https://wipfandstock.com/9781498226097/learning-from-a-legend/ 

Follow Dr. Bacote: https://twitter.com/vbacote 

• What makes a character a literary saint, and why should we spend time in their company?
• Why do we have such a hard time trusting holiness, and what do we miss if we lose sight of it?
• Should we seek suffering? How do we distinguish between asceticism and masochism?
• How do various means of engagement (literature, art, contemplation) shape our imagination?
• Who are some lesser known authors that Christians should read?

Books mentioned in our conversation:

Moses, Man of the Mountain by Zora Neale Hurston 

Silence by Shūsaku Endō

On Reading Well by Karen Swallow Prior

Book of the Dun Cow by Walter Wangerin Jr.

Kristin Lavransdatter by Sigrid Undset

A Lesson Before Dying   A Gathering for Old Men by Ernest J. Gaines

Brothers Karamazov by Fyodor Dostoevsky

Diary of a Country Priest by Georges Bernanos

Other authors mentioned in our conversation:

C.S. Lewis

George MacDonald

Randy Boyagoda

Walker Percy

Flannery O'Connor

Get the book: http://bakerpublishinggroup.com/books/the-scandal-of-holiness/407181 

Dr. Wilson's website: https://jessicahootenwilson.com/ 

Follow Jessica Hooten Wilson on Twitter: https://twitter.com/HootenWilson 

Kelly Latimore 's "literary icons": https://kellylatimoreicons.com/ 

• How do we define power, vulnerability, and abuse? How can we identify "spiritual abuse" in a church context?
• Why have some Christians been resistant to the #metoo or #churchtoo movements? Are false accusations a legitimate threat?
• What does it mean to redeem power? What safeguards can be put in place, especially in male-dominated settings?
• How do we support victims and help them heal?
• How have you, during a 50+ year career dealing with these difficult issues, found the courage and hope to continue?

Dr. Tara Boer's review at In All Things: https://inallthings.org/the-power-within-us-a-review-of-redeeming-power/

Dr. Langberg's website (lots of resources): https://www.dianelangberg.com/

American Bible Society: Trauma Healing: https://ministry.americanbible.org/trauma-healing/about-trauma-healing 

• How to make sense of the crisis of expertise in which we find ourselves - is there a way to redeem expertise?
• Distinguishing three forms of expertise, and placing scientific expertise in perspective
• How knowledge is always a communal project, requiring us to trust others and to cultivate communities of critical thinking.
• On the possibilities and limitations of science, what science does well and what it can't do

Dr. Ploegsta's review: https://inallthings.org/scientists-arent-hostile-alien-priests-a-review-of-redeeming-expertise/

Follow Dr. Reeves: https://twitter.com/joshareeves

Buy the book: https://www.baylorpress.com/9781481316156/redeeming-expertise/

– How can we distinguish between all the varieties of Calvinism and Neo-Calvinism?

– Why should North Americans living in the 21st century be interested in lectures on Calvinism given by a 19th century Dutch polymath?

– When it comes to continuing an intellectual tradition, what is the relationship between looking back and looking forward?

– How should we think about Kuyper's flaws, and how should we complicate his legacy?

– What can the Kuyperian tradition learn from the wider Christian world?

– Why might Kuyper's vision be especially appropriate for "a secular age"?

To read a short piece in which the authors introduce their book: https://inallthings.org/can-calvinists-save-the-world-a-review-of-calvinism-for-a-secular-age/

– How those of us who are adept at "managing our time" may actually just be better at "hiding our weariness"

– How we can find holy rhythms in the midst of a culture and time where we are able and encouraged to "work anywhere and everywhere and at any time"

– How we can add practices in a way that is life-giving and sustainable instead of "one more thing" on the to do list

– On the way that felt futility of living intentionally, the difficulty of friendship as an adult, and ways to normalize grief and messiness

– One thing to know, and one thing to do if we want to change

To read Dr. Erin Olson's review of April Fiet's book: https://inallthings.org/reimagining-rhythms-a-review-of-the-sacred-pulse/

– How our devices (phones and computers) are more than mere tools, and what it means to evaluate them as cultural artifacts, the results of complex processes, driven by diverse influences

– What Christian designers and programmers can do to as they work in digital spaces

– How we should think about counter-cultural movements like "digital minimalism" and how the Christian story offers something distinct

– Why it is so difficult for us to change our digital habits and whether there are better ways to approach our counter-formation

– One thing to know, and one thing to do if we want to change

To read Dr. Kayt Frisch's review of Dr. Song's book: https://inallthings.org/corrupted-comforts-a-review-of-restless-devices/ 

– How the narrative of a conflict between faith and science developed, and how this story of obscures important historical realities, especially during the Reformation

– The relationship between science and theology as well as between God’s two books: the book of creation and the book of Scripture.

– How we think about scientific investigation given the tension between suspicion (because of human sin) and confidence (because of the divine image and the reliability of human faculties)

– “Epistemic trespassing” and how pastors can live with the burden of being expected to weigh in on scientific issues, and how they build bridges between science and theology.

Books mentioned in this podcast:

History of the Conflict Between Religion and Science by John William Draper (1874)

A History of the Warfare of Science with Theology by Andrew Dickson White (1896)

Science and Theology in the Reformation by Charlotte Methuen (2008)

Since the Beginning: Interpreting Genesis 1 and 2 through the Ages ed. Kyle Greenwood (2018)

Follow Jennifer Powell McNutt on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jpowellmcnutt

Here is a link to Dr. McNutt’s First Mondays talk at Dordt University: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-NTB-m2BQM  

– How the Covid-lockdown forced AP to put down roots after being on the road for the last 25 years, and the sort of creativity that being rooted in a physical place can produce.

– Why trees have so captivated AP's imagination and anchored his memory.

– How working with our hands connects to working with words, music, and art.

– On planting seeds of hope amidst seasons of sadness, and what it means to remain open and vulnerable instead of hardening our hearts

– On telling stories that are deeply (not necessarily overtly) Christian, and how AP navigates the tension between Fall and Redemption. 

– On practices that nourish ordinary creativity among artists and non-artists alike.

The podcast includes a short reading of  the opening pages of the book (12:36). 

Order The God of the Garden from The Rabbit Room: https://store.rabbitroom.com/products/the-god-of-the-garden 

Follow Andrew Peterson: https://www.andrew-peterson.com/ 

Bible Project Podcast on Trees (mentioned at 11:50): https://bibleproject.com/podcast/humans-are-trees/ 

Here is a link to Ruth Clark's IAT review of The God of the Garden: https://inallthings.org/for-the-beauty-of-the-earth-a-review-of-the-god-of-the-garden/ 

***Production note: this is the first episode we were able to record in person. Special thanks to tech genius Alex Priore for making it happen.***

• How Dan's background as a "third culture kid" who lived in five countries on three continents + being a part of 9 (!) different denominations gave him unique lenses to see evangelicalism's strengths and weaknesses. 
• How to define "evangelicalism," and the difference it makes when approaching evangelicalism as "brand" vs. a "space" 
• Four stages of struggling with evangelicalism: awareness, appreciation, repentance, and renewal
• What it means to make evangelical spaces "better than we found them."

Order from IVP: https://ivpress.com/struggling-with-evangelicalism 

Follow Dan on Twitter: https://twitter.com/RevDanStringer (@RevDanStringer) 

See the website here: https://firstnationsversion.com/

Order from IVP: https://www.ivpress.com/first-nations-version 

My co-host for this episode is Dr. Gayle Doornbos, professor of theology at Dordt. Together we discuss:

• The story behind this indigenous translation of the New Testament and the many contributing scholars
• The history of colonialism and how the translation team handled English words with negative connotations for native peoples (e.g., sin, kingdom)
• The unique practice of translating names by what they mean, so that Jerusalem is rendered "Village of Peace" and Paul is "Small Man". 
• What it might mean for the larger body of Christ to receive this new translation as a gift from the native peoples of North America.

Terry also reads a beautiful passage of Scripture for us (from Hebrews 1).

Here is my written reflection on the translation (which I use in part to introduce the episode): https://inallthings.org/gained-in-translation-a-review-of-the-first-nations-version/

• What it means to "shout in the fire," holding onto an honest, vulnerable, and resilient faith amidst pain, anger, and despair.
• How his sense of the gospel of Jesus has been clarified and complicated over the course of his journey.
• The importance of "keeping our eyes on the body" as we live in this world.
• Literary and theological sources for the Black prophetic imagination, and how Danté found his writing voice.

Here is a link to Howard Schaap's review at our online journal: https://inallthings.org/the-prophetic-and-black-and-pentecostal-voice-a-review-of-shoutin-in-the-fire/ 

As mentioned in the intro, Danté mentions no less than 30 authors, and we have pulled together a list below:

Books mentioned by Danté:

Jesmyn Ward, Men We Reaped

Kiese Laymon, Heavy

Imani Perry, Breathe: A Letter to My Sons

Sarah Broom, The Yellow House

Darnell L. Moore, No Ashes in the Fire

Viet Thanh Nguyen, Nothing Ever Dies

Shawn Copeland, Enfleshing Freedom

Austin Channing Brown, I’m Still Here

Saidiya Hartman, Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments

Steven King, On Writing

N.K. Jemisin, The City We Became (fiction)

Robert Jones, Jr., The Prophets (fiction)

Octavia Butler, The Parable of the Sower (fiction)

Articles mentioned by Danté:

Elizabeth Alexander, “The Travon Generation”

Imani Perry, “Racism Is Terrible. Blackness Is Not.”

Authors mentioned by Danté:

James Baldwin

Toni Morrison

Deesha Philyaw

Maurice Ruffin

Jason Reynolds

Nikki Giovanni

James Cone

Kevin Quashie

Ta-Nehisi Coates

Willie James Jennings

Ashon Crawley

Gwendolyn Brooks

Zora Neale Hurston

Elizabeth Alexander

June Jordan

Amiri Baraka

Terrion Williamson

• What do we gain from paying attention to the psychological dimensions of doubt?
• How can we think of faith and doubt in a way that takes rational, intuitive, and relational knowing into account?
• What is "intellectual humility" and "uncertainty tolerance," and how do we develop these traits?
• What are some strategies and practices for helping people "doubt well"?

To read the article: https://christianscholars.com/teaching-students-to-doubt-well-the-roles-of-intellectual-humility-and-uncertainty-tolerance/

• What do you mean by "Reformed"? What is "public" theology? And what is the unique contribution of the Reformed tradition to public theology?
• In a book with 20+ authors of different nationalities, vocations, and denominations, what are the common threads these authors share?
• As we seek to live in a pluralistic world, how do we learn to listen genuinely and to speak gently, with firm conviction?
• What are some characteristic flaws or blind spots of the Reformed tradition that this book celebrates?
• What does Reformed public theology have to say when it comes to institutional power, institutional sin, and institutional reform?
• What does "every square inch" really mean? Why doesn't it mean Christians "taking over"?

If you'd like to read more, In All Things is hosting a four-part review of the book, which will be posted here as they become available:

Part One: https://inallthings.org/an-unlikely-story-a-review-of-reformed-public-theology/

Part Two: https://inallthings.org/neo-calvinism-for-the-nations-reviewing-part-2-3-of-reformed-public-theology/ 

Part Three: https://inallthings.org/the-academy-and-aesthetics-a-review-of-reformed-public-theology/ 

• What surprised Kristin in her research and in the book's reception
• Who is an evangelical? Who gets to say what is mainstream to evangelicalism and what is on the fringe?
• How "Reformed" communities who have traditionally been "evangelical adjacent" fit into the picture.
• What to do when we realize how much popular culture shapes Christian identity, and what it takes to resist, repent, and repair.
• Areas for further research (the need for ethnographic studies!) and where the conversation can go from here.

If you'd like to read more you can check out the In All Things review of Kristin's book (written by my guest co-host, Scott Culpepper): https://inallthings.org/what-has-jesus-to-do-with-john-wayne-a-review-of-jesus-and-john-wayne/ 

• On being immersed in the cancer community after a terminal cancer diagnosis
• How Western culture works to obscure the reality of our mortality 
• How we can live in the tension between our smallness and the grand calling to make/change culture
• On what a "good funeral" looks like and what the Christian hope actually is 
• How the Covid pandemic has brought our mortality (and denial) into sharper relief.

If you'd like to read more you can check out our review of the book (written by my guest co-host, Todd Zuidema) here: https://inallthings.org/memento-mori-a-review-of-the-end-of-the-christian-life/ 

• How multiethnic (mixed) people process questions like "where are you from?" and "what are you?" 
• The blessing that mixed people are to the church and the world
• Ways to think about distinctions between ethnicity & race, "cultural appropriation" vs. "cultural appreciation", and cultural stereotypes vs. "cultural prototypes".
• Why it is important to talk about ethnicity as part of talking about our identity in Christ (and the identity of Christ!)

If you'd like to read more you can find an excerpt of Chandra's book here: https://inallthings.org/whole-people-wholly-reliant-on-jesus/ 

• If work and worship are meant to be connected, how did they get disconnected? What sort of theologies have fueled this divide, and how do we heal it? 
• Why is a focus on practices and rituals critical, rather than just having a good "theology of work"?
• How do we bring out work into the place of worship, and how do we bring worship into our place of work?
• Is there a hidden assumption that our work will always be meaningful and fulfilling? How do we include those whose experience of work is full of pain?
• How has the Covid-19 pandemic shifted our understanding of gathered worship and gathered work?

If you'd like to read our review of the biography, written by Dr. Jeremy Perigo, you can find that here: https://inallthings.org/whole-life-worship-a-review-of-work-and-worship/ 

• How we remember the past: the difference between "critical" and "commemorative" biography
• The relationship of the two monumental figures from the Dutch Calvinist tradition: Abraham Kuyper and Herman Bavinck
• How Bavinck might respond to the idea of "always reforming"
• How Bavinck managed to maintain friendship and to integrate so many voices across ideological virtues
• Why Bavinck was pessimistic about the future of Calvinism in America, and what he meant when he said, "Calvinism is not the only the truth."

If you'd like to read our review of the biography, written by Dr. David Westfall, you can find that here: https://inallthings.org/twin-poles-a-review-of-bavinck/

If you haven't yet gotten ahold of a copy of the biography, we are giving away three copies. You can enter the drawing by sharing or re-tweeting this episode; leaving a review of the podcast will get you three bonus entries! (tag us or let us know to make sure your name is included). Or you can follow this link: https://kingsumo.com/g/w0xegx/in-all-things-podcast-bavinck-giveaway

Thanks again for tuning in!

Twitter: @in_all_things

• Discerning between honest and dishonest questioning
• How to honor the communities that nurtured us while also acknowledging their limitations 
• Counsel for those who are doubting, as well as for those who are trying to walk with doubters (parents & teachers)
• The importance of the local congregation when it comes to holding onto faith

As we’ve done with previous episodes, we are giving away five copies of A.J.'s book. You can enter the drawing by following In All Things on Social Media, sharing or re-tweeting this episode; leaving a review of the podcast will get you three bonus entries! (tag us or let us know to make sure your name is included). Thanks again for tuning in!

Twitter: @in_all_things

• The connections between creating art and the beauty of the gospel
• Why children seem to know how important creativity is, and what has gone wrong for the rest of us
• Why a liberal arts education matters more, not less, in an increasingly technological world
• Ordinary creativity for those who are not artists
• How we can cleanse our cultural imagination and move forward in a polarized world. 

During the two weeks after this episode is released, we are giving away five copies of Mako's new book, Art + Faith. To enter that giveaway, follow this link: https://kingsumo.com/g/z5wjkr/in-all-things-podcast-art-faith-giveaway

For more information about In All Things, you can find us at inallthings.org or follow us on Twitter: @in_all_things

We also have a short chat with Channon Visscher, the director of the Andreas Center about the vision of In All Things and the plan for this podcast.

During the first two weeks of the podcast, we are giving away five copies of Tish's new book, Prayer in the Night. To enter that giveaway, follow this link: https://kingsumo.com/g/dgkoxe/in-all-things-podcast-prayer-in-the-night-giveaway

For more information about In All Things, you can find us at inallthings.org or follow us on Twitter: @in_all_things