Embodiment for the Rest of Us

Nicola Haggett

Dr. Rachel Fox

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

Deep Dive: Relating Across Difference, Murmuration as Metaphor, and a Sacred Unmasking with Nikki Haggett - EFTROU: S4, Ep11

Thu, 20 Feb 2025 08:50:44 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 11: Nikki Haggett

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Nikki Haggett (they/she) in a deep dive about relating across difference, murmuration as metaphor, and a sacred unmasking.

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally,discussion of fascism, mention of childhood sexual abuse

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-11-nikki-haggett/#captions

A few highlights:

12:37: Nikki discusses the idea of embodiment while recognizing our own neurodivergence

30:05: Nikki discusses how training to be a Gestalt therapist is impacting their own embodiment

1:20:56: Nikki shares help she helps clients them notice how to stay embodied or even purposefully disembodied

1:33:59: Nikki discusses what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com

BlueSky: EmbodimentRestOfUs

Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs

A Clinically Fat Ass and Passion Projects, Part 2 with Dr. Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep10

Thu, 19 Dec 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 10: Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Dr. Rachel Fox, PhD (she/her) about her embodiment journey! Specifically we talk about having a clinically fat ass and passion projects (aka the dissertation Doctor Fox just defended last Tuesday!!!)

Dr. Rachel Fox is an Assistant Professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at Grand Valley State University. She is also a Kroner Family Fellow, Judith and Neil Morgan Fellow, and UC President's Dissertation Year Fellow in the Communication Department, Science Studies Program, and Critical Gender Studies Graduate Specialization at UC San Diego. Her dissertation will be available as an open access document in 1 or 2 months from this episode’s publication. She holds a BA in Biology from Wesleyan University, an MS in Narrative Medicine from Columbia University, and an MA in Communication from UC San Diego. Her research has been published in the Fat Studies Journal, Women’s Studies: An Interdisciplinary Journal, and the Journal of Applied Social Psychology. In 2021, she joined the Centre for Fat Liberation and Scholarship as an Inaugural Junior Fellow. Her research critically examines how anti-obesity efforts drive anti-fatness in the US and how the field of weight stigma research perpetuates anti-fatness through its refusal to divest from an anti-obesity agenda.

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs), discussion of ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis)

Trigger Warnings:

This episode uses the word “obesity” throughout without being bleeped.

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-10-doctor-rachel-fox/#captions

A few highlights:

10:03: Rachel shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

18:35: Rachel discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her

27:07: Rachel shares her passion project and how it has affected her own embodiment

1:31:21: Rachel discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:35:17: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

The Body is Not An Apology (Book)

Blakeley H. Payne

The Body is Not An Apology (IG)

Public Health’s Power-Neutral, Fatphobic Obsession with “Food Deserts”

Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp

Sonya Renee Taylor

Weight Stigma Conference

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

The Fantasy of Being Thin

BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Fat Embodiment as in Living a Whole Ass Fat Life, Part 1 with Rachel Fox - EFTROU: S4, Ep9

Thu, 05 Dec 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 9: Rachel Fox

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Rachel Fox (she/her) about her embodiment journey

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of the multiple genocides occurring globally, discussion of intentional weight loss (including GLP-1 drugs)

Trigger Warnings:

This episode will use the word obesity throughout without being bleeped.

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-9-rachel-fox/#captions

A few highlights:

14:00: Rachel shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

20:44: Rachel names her privileges and marginalizations

42:11: Rachel discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices

1:26:24: Rachel shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Hegemonic Futurity

Heavy: An American Memoir

Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat

Positionality

Rachel Fox

Reproductive Futurity

Rowan Hildebrand-Chupp

Settler Colonialism

Tiana Dodson

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

BlueSky: @embodimentrestofus

Deep Dive Part 3: The Political is Personal is Professional with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep8

Thu, 28 Nov 2024 06:09:30 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 8: Third and Final Deep Dive (this season hehe) with Lindley Ashline

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for the final of a three-part deep dive about embodiment

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of current politics

Trigger Warnings:

None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-8-lindley-ashline/#captions

A few highlights:

22:36: Lindley discusses her thin privilege series on social media

38:09: Lindley shares her boundaries when doing social media work

Links from this episode:

Lindley’s Master List of Resources

Jes Baker

Bri Campos

Megan Jayne Crabbe

Rahaeli

Sonya Renee Taylor

Accounts that Highlight the Intersection of Fatness and Disability

Imani Barbarin - https://www.instagram.com/crutches_and_spice/

Val - https://www.instagram.com/val_and.co/

J Aprileo - https://www.instagram.com/jayaprileo/

Corissa sometimes talks about disability - https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlflow/

Shilo George - https://www.instagram.com/shilogeorge/

FLARE - https://www.flareproject.org/

Sarah - https://www.instagram.com/fromsarahlex/

https://www.instagram.com/fatdisabledworthy/ ← project by Sarah (prior link)

Clarkisha - https://www.instagram.com/clarkishakent/ (writer often featuring the particular intersection of disability and fatness)

Dan - https://x.com/notdanhastings

Sydneysky G. - https://www.instagram.com/syddskyy/

Adrie Rose - https://www.instagram.com/adrierising/

Sami Schalk - https://www.instagram.com/fierceblackfemme

Jervae - https://www.instagram.com/jervae

Vinny - https://www.instagram.com/fierce.fatty

Sonny Jane Wise - https://www.instagram.com/livedexperienceeducator/

Angel Austin - https://www.instagram.com/sacredspaceforfatbodies/

Leah - https://www.instagram.com/fativism/

https://www.instagram.com/disabilitydecember/ ← yearly reading challenge

Mikey - https://www.instagram.com/fatmarquisele

Tigress - https://www.instagram.com/iofthetigress/

Dr Whitney Trotter - https://www.instagram.com/whitneytrotter.rd/

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Fat Woman with Surgery Scar Stock Photo

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive Part 2: Intertwining Stories, Parties Not Lectures, and Blanket Forts as Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep7

Thu, 18 Jul 2024 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 7: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline

Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia

Trigger Warnings:

1:14:57: Jenn mentions a fatness category that might be triggering

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-7-lindley-ashline/#captions

A few highlights:

3:49: Lindley shares the pond as a metaphor for embodiment

41:47: Lindley discusses the Body Liberation Blanket Fort

1:12:03: Lindley shares how disability as a framework feels related to embodiment conversations

Links from this episode:

Intersectionality: Key Concepts

FLARE Project

Imani Barbarin

J Aprileo

Kimberle Crenshaw

The Matrix of Domination

Models of Disability

Nicola Haggett’s Embodiment Journey

Nicola Haggett

Shilo George

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive Part 1: Capitalist Mythology, the Comfort of Power, and Depth + Clarity as a Container for Embodiment with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S4, Ep6

Thu, 04 Jul 2024 06:57:55 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 6: Deep Dive with Lindley Ashline

Jenn (she/they), Chavonne (she/her), and Mayaneli (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment as partnership with our bodies.

Content Warning: Discussion of ableism, Discussion of medical fatphobia

Trigger Warnings:

44:33: Lindley mentions death threats

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-6-lindley-ashline/#captions

A few highlights:

5:43: Lindley shares embodiment as conversation and/or partnership with our bodies

35:45: Lindley discusses “capitalist mythology” in the average body positivity/liberation conversation

1:45:13: Lindley shares the idea of embodiment as a practice of depth and clarity

Links from this episode:

The 11 Reasons Why People Hate Fat People

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive Part 1: Attending and Attuning to the Body, Unconscious Contracts with the Systems that Affect Us, and Loving Accountability with Michelle Phillips - EFTROU: S4, Ep5

Thu, 06 Jun 2024 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 5: Deep Dive with Michelle Phillips

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) for a deep dive about attending and attuning to the body, unconscious contracts with the systems that affect us, and loving accountability.

Content Warning: discussion of intentional weight loss, discussion of multiple genocides taking place at this time

Trigger Warnings: None in this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-5-michelle-phillips/#captions

A few highlights:

8:53: Michelle discusses the simplicities and complexities (equally) of embodiment as we go about our daily lives

Links from this episode:

Polyvagal Theory

Vagus Nerve

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodying Self-Care Beyond Bath Bombs, Disability Access and Community, and the Isolation of Embodiment with Imani Barbarin - EFTROU: S4, Ep4

Thu, 09 May 2024 12:20:43 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 4: Imani Barbarin

Chavonne (she/her), Jenn (she/they), and Maya (she/her) interviewed Imani (she/her/hers) about her embodiment journey.

Imani Barbarin is a disability rights and inclusion activist and speaker who uses her voice and social media platforms to create conversations engaging the disability community. Born with cerebral palsy, Imani often writes and uses her platform to speak from the perspective of a disabled Black woman. In the last few years she has created over a dozen trending hashtags that allow disabled folk the opportunity to have their perspectives heard while forcing the world to take notice. #PatientsAreNotFaking, #ThingsDisabledPeopleKnow, #AbledsAreWeird and others each provide a window into disabled life while forming community. Imani is from the Philadelphia area and holds a Masters in Global Communications from the American University of Paris, her published works include those in Forbes, Rewire, Healthline, BitchMedia and more. She runs the blog CrutchesAndSpice.com and a podcast of the same name.

Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of medicalized racism, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, mentions of ableism, mentions of suicide, discussion of ageism

Trigger Warnings:

58:30: Imani discusses weight loss surgery and eating disorders

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-4-imani-barbarin/#captions

A few highlights:

4:47: Imani shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

19:40: Imani discusses how the pandemic has affected her embodiment practices

47:22: Imani shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

59:33: Imani discusses her work with social media misinformation/disinformation and disability advocacy

1:14:11: Imanin shares how her embodiment around phobias and -isms

1:16:51: Imani discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:24:24: Imani shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

American with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA)

Harriet Tubman Collective

Iron Lung

Movement for Black Lives

Multiple Models of Disability

PA Act 77

The Protest Psychosis

Runaway Slave Syndrome

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Energy is Precious, Limitations as Embodiment, and Unlearning Categorization with Niyera Hewlett - EFTROU: S4, Ep3

Thu, 04 Apr 2024 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 3: Niyera Hewlett

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Niyera (they/them) about their embodiment journey.

Niyera (they/them) is a Licensed Professional Clinical Counselor in New Mexico and North Carolina who supervises counseling students, social work students, and licensed associates. They founded a queer and neurodivergent affirming mental health agency in Albuquerque that can be found at: youmeandtherapy.com. They work from an anti-oppressive, relational lens that helps inform how they approach supervision and therapy. They specialize in working with marginalized communities, complex trauma, dissociation, and much more. They are a trans non-binary neurodivergent human of Middle Eastern descent, raised by an immigrant mother. They reside in New Mexico with their spouse, two children, and three cats. In their spare time, they spend a lot of time imagining and writing fantasy stories as a special interest.

Content Warning: discussion of genocide, discussion of ableism privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues

Trigger Warnings:

53:24: Chavonne uses “crazy” in a way that is ableist.

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

3:54: Niyera shares their understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

9:28: Niyera discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices

28:14: Niyera shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges

31:42: Niyera discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her

42:55: Niyera shares how their own work and supporting clients has changed and challenged their relationship with their own embodiment

1:00:47: Niyera discusses their experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems

1:13:50: Niyera discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:21:29: Niyera shares where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Ample and Rooted

Binocular Vision Dysfunction

Depersonalization

Derealization

Reflective Supervision

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive: Identity, Sex Positive Families, and Kiddos as Embodiment Teachers with Tiana Dodson - EFTROU: S4, E2

Thu, 07 Mar 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 2: Deep Dive with Tiana Dodson

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) for a deep dive about embodiment and children.

Content Warning: discussion of sexuality

Trigger Warnings:

1:45:30: Tiana uses “insane” in a way that is ableist

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-2-tiana-dodson/#captions

A few highlights:

7:06: Tiana discusses how children are embodiment teachers

59:32: Tiana shares how capacity and capability are distinct parts of embodiment

1:19:36: Tiana discusses creating and fostering foster relationships of liberation

1:37:00: Tiana shares what she’s doing next

Links from this episode:

Being You: A First Conversation about Gender

In This Body: Finding Liberation Virtual Conference

Liberation is a Relationship

Love Notes For A New Year

The Nap Ministry

Other People Are In The Way of Your Liberation

RAADS-R

Reclaiming Ugly

Rest is Resistance

Sex Positive Families

We Make the Path

Yes: Your Empowered Sexuality

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

How To Keep House While Drowning

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Season 4 Intro Episode: Acknowledging Disability, Slowing Down, and Continuing with Intention - EFTROU: S4, Ep1

Thu, 01 Feb 2024 07:00:00 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 4, Episode 1: Season 4 Intro Episode

Jenn (she/they) and Chavonne (she/her) introduce Season 4!

Content Warning: None in this episode

Trigger Warnings: None in this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-4/season-4-episode-1-season-4-intro/#captions

A few highlights:

2:02: Jenn and Chavonne share their words for 2024

20:27: Chavonne and Jenn discuss exploring disability and neurodiversity in Season 4

32:46: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their commitment to justice and liberation related to the most marginalized humans and bodies in the world

Links from this episode:

Imani Barbarin

Morgan Harper Nichols IG Post

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Season 3 Wrap-Up Episode - EFTROU: S3Ep13

Mon, 06 Nov 2023 11:26:53 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 13: Wrap Up Episode

Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) wrap up Season 3!

Content Warning: None in this episode

Trigger Warnings: None in this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-13-season-3-wrap-up-episode/#captions

A few highlights:

2:13: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how processing and practicing rest changed and challenged them in 2023

13:14: Chavonne and Jenn discuss capability vs. capacity in their personal and professional lives

23:39: Jenn and Chavonne discuss what they’re looking forward to next year for the podcast

Links from this episode:

Whole Self Counseling

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-12-lisa-daughters-and-fawn-mccool/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

The “Rest” in the Rest of Us, Being Our Whole Human Selves with Clients, and the Laughter Between Hard Topics with Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool - EFTROU: S3, Ep12

Thu, 12 Oct 2023 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 12: Lisa Daughters and Fawn McCool

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lisa Daughters (she/her) and Fawn McCool (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.

Lisa Daughters (she/her) is a HAES-aligned fat-positive, LGBTQIA+ allied, social justice informed Expressive Arts Therapist. She works with fat folx, LGBTQIA+ community, grief/loss, fertility struggles and pregnancy loss, relationship challenges, family dynamics - these are all near and dear to her. She has been serving clients as a professional counselor for 12 years, working with a variety of settings and concerns. She works from a person-centered approach, using humor, mindfulness, and acceptance as tools of healing and transformation. She believes in the need to broaden our view from seeing individual struggles as collective, moving towards solutions that foster interdependence and equity. She approaches counseling as a co-creation, and considers her role to be an insightful companion through the process. She trusts the inherent wholeness of each individual. I have specific training in Expressive Arts Therapy, which utilizes art-making as therapeutic.

Lisa is strongly anti-diet and diet-culture. She is involved in the fat liberation movement. And it's impossible to talk about body politics without talking about racism, misogyny, and ableism. She is anti-capitalist, and anti-racist. She loves animals and spent years before becoming a therapist working with animals. She believes current social and economic structures have stripped our sense of community and our emotional experiences have been villainized and pathologized to the point that mental health is a growing challenge. She thinks it's a disservice to focus only on individual health without also addressing community. She does not believe in the paternalistic dynamic that she has seen in the mental health world, and she thinks to do my work well she has to be continually learning.

Fawn McCool (she/her pronouns), is a Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW) with a private practice based in Portland, Oregon. Her therapeutic approach is warm, nurturing, collaborative, engaged, and nerdy. She loves brain science so there MIGHT be some mention of neural plasticity or blaming of neural pathways along the way. She will shame the patriarchy, never you.

As an LCSW, she has worked in a variety of settings providing skilled trauma-informed services to families, women and children. She offers clinical therapeutic services in Tigard, OR and enjoys working with a wide variety of issues including but not limited to: trauma, depression, anxiety, OCD, ADHD, perinatal/postpartum mood and anxiety disorders, infant loss, and fertility issues .

She received her Masters of Social Work degree at California State University, Los Angeles in 2006. Her professional credentials include certification in Interpersonal Neurobiology through Portland State University and is Ample & Rooted trained.

Additionally, she has had the honor of presenting at several professional conferences focused on Neonatal Intensive Care Unit experiences, neuroscience & birth trauma, and behavioral health counseling in school based health centers.

She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of fatphobia in the career space, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues

40:28-53:29: Chavonne’s audio goes a bit wonky

Trigger Warnings:

34:22: Fawn mentions Noom and Ozempic

49:42: Lisa uses the words “crazy” and “nutty” in a way that is ableist

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

7:08: Lisa and Fawn share their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges. They also discuss how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for them.

1:01:15: Fawn and Lisa discuss how supporting clients has changed and challenged their own relationships with their embodiment

1:46:47: Lisa and Fawn discuss how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:57:48: Fawn and Lisa share where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents

Dr. Dan Siegel

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

All Cats Are On The Autism Spectrum

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria, Nuances of the Pandemic, and Safe Space with Friends with Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters - EFTROU: S3, Ep11

Thu, 28 Sep 2023 17:31:36 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 11: Fawn McCool and Lisa Daughters

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Fawn McCool (she/her) and Lisa Daughters (she/her) about their embodiment journeys.

She is an anti-racist, LGBTQ+ affirming, and HAES provider.

Trigger Warnings:

39:23: Lisa discusses getting bariatric surgery

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-11-fawn-mccool-and-lisa-daughters/#captions

A few highlights:

15:05: Fawn and Lisa shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journeys

1:07:56: Fawn and Lisa discuss how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices

Links from this episode:

The Family Experience of PDA

Girls on the Run

Kymber Stephenson

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Social Justice, Equitable Care, and Navigating a Field That is Still Unlearning with Whitney Trotter - EFTROU: S3, Ep10

Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 10: Whitney Trotter

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Whitney Trotter (she/her) about their embodiment journey.

Whitney Trotter (she/her) is dually licensed as a Registered Dietitian, Nurse, and yoga instructor and is currently working on her doctorate degree to become a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Whitney has over ten years of experience working as a registered dietitian serving various communities such as the HIV/AIDS community and the eating disorder field. Whitney also previously worked at a Level 1 Pediatric Trauma Center as a Pediatric emergency room nurse. In addition to working as an RDN and RN, Whitney has served as a member of her county's Rape Crisis Center. Her work at the Rape Crisis Center equipped her to co-found an anti-trafficking organization Restore Corps, where she now provides medical training to the community focusing on human trafficking response.

Whitney's career in the Eating Disorder field includes being a former Nutrition and Nursing director of a Residential, PHP, and IOP center. Whitney is also the owner/founder of Bluff City Health, a private practice that bridges the gap in the eating disorder field of equitable care and social justice. This past year Whitney created the first-ever BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference and started #BIPOCEatingDisordersAwarenessWeek

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-10-whitney-trotter/#captions

A few highlights:

4:21: Whitney shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

8:10: Whitney discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

14:26: Whitney shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

24:46: Whitney discusses how the word “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her

43:58: Whitney shares how her education and career have changed and challenged her relationship with her own embodiment

51:18: Whitney discusses her process in co-creating the BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference

1:10:31: Whitney shares her experience learning and unlearning while calling out what is oppressive in our systems

1:19:27: Whitney discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:26:05: Whitney shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

BIPOC Eating Disorders Conference

Angela Goens

Relative Fat vs. Absolute Fat

Tiana Dodson

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Placefinding and Placeholding as the Marginalized Among the Marginalized with Mikey Mercedes - EFTROU: S3, Ep9

Thu, 31 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 9: Mikey Mercedes

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Mikey Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey.

Marquisele (Mikey) Mercedes (she/they) is a fat liberationist writer, creator, educator, and doctoral student from the Bronx, New York. As a Presidential Fellow at the Brown University School of Public Health, she works at the intersection of critical public health studies, fat studies, and scholarship on race/ism, examining how racism, anti-Blackness, and fatphobia have shaped health care, research, and public health.

Mikey is also a co-host of the podcast Unsolicited: Fatties Talk Back, which explores the lived fat experience from diverse vantage points to examine fatphobia in our relationships and culture. Her socials are @marquisele on Twitter, @fatmarquisele on Instagram, and Patreon.com/marquisele on Patreon. Their website is also marquiselemercedes.com

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of chronic medical issues, discussion of medical fatphobia

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-9-mikey-mercedes/#captions

A few highlights:

3:43: Mikey shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges

1:03:33: Mikey discusses how “Rest” right in the middle of the podcast name feels, occurs, and shows up for her

1:38:34: Mikey shares her work on her podcast and how she stays embodied while working with her co-hosts

1:59:58: Mikey discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

2:04:08: Mikey shares where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Black Feminism Reimagined

Black Feminist Thought

Da’Shaun Harrison

Ebony Oldham

Elite Capture

The Embodiment of Disobedience

Fat Activism

Fatty MPH

Google Form for Mikey’s doctoral research

Unsolicited: Fatties Talk Back

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Breathing Into the Machine

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Body Hierarchies, Disability, and the Ongoing Pandemic with Marquisele Mercedes - EFTROU: S3, Ep8

Thu, 17 Aug 2023 14:12:42 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 8: Marquisele Mercedes

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Marquisele Mercedes (she/they) about their embodiment journey.

Trigger Warnings:

29:06: Discussion of fatphobia regarding climate change

45:21: Discussion of government manipulation of COVID data

47:16: Discussion of hate of disabled people

1:11:25: Discussion of Mikey’s history with Lindo Bacon in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here)

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-8-marquisele-mercedes/#captions

A few highlights:

6:09: Mikey shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

26:47: Mikey discusses how the pandemic has affected their embodiment practices

Links from this episode:

Mikey’s Pipewrench Piece

Sherronda Brown Announced as Scalawag Magazine's Editor-in-Chief

Wear Your Voice

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Divesting from Urgency Culture, Embodied Authenticity, and Coming Home to the Truth with Wednesdae Reim Ifrach - EFTROU: S3, Ep7

Thu, 03 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 7: Wednesdae Reim Ifrach

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Wednesdae Reim Ifrach (they/them) about their embodiment journey.

Wednesdae is a trans/non-binary art therapist, fat activist and artist whose work focuses on body justice, intersectional social justice and eating disorder treatment equity access.

They also co-own and operate Rainbow Recovery where they support people through the gender affirmation process, complex trauma recovery, eating disorder recovery and body image issues through the use of art, creative expression and traditional talk therapy.

Wednesdae melds the world of art therapy, social justice, trauma recovery and eating disorder recovery into a unique opportunity for people to expand their understanding of the world. To that end Wednesdae had the honor to participate in the Museum of Modern Art (MoMA)’s Artful Practices for Well-being and has had artwork on display at the Baltimore Museum of Art as part of Art as Activism.

They have presented at national and international conferences, are a former adjunct professor and continues to guest lecture. They also serve on the Board of Project HEAL, a non-profit whose mission is to create treatment equity access in the eating disorder field. Wednesdae’s biggest passions outside of work include spending time with their many rescue animals, experimenting with traditional family recipes, painting, and spending time with their partner.

Instagram

Trigger Warnings:

1:14:40: Wednesdae discusses how sexual abuse can be covered by calling victims in treatment “noncompliant”

1:15:18: Wednesdae discusses typical eating disorder rules and how harmful and wrong they are

1:17:59: Wednesdae discusses their history of abuse

1:22:14: Wednesdae uses the word “nuts” in a way that is ableist

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-7-wednesdae-reim-ifrach/#captions

A few highlights:

5:36: Wednesdae shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey

19:58: Wednesdae discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices

54:57: Wednesdae shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges

1:07:58: Wednesdae discusses how their work with Rainbow Recovery and Project HEAL has influenced their own relationship with embodiment

1:19:04: Wednesdae shares how stereotypes of productivity, availability, and capability/capacity relate to being a clinician

1:24:48: Wednesdae discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:26:28: Wednesdae shares where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Nalgona Positivity Pride

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Liminal Spaces, Collective Trauma and Care, and Workshopping Our Own Humanity with Neathery Falchuk - EFTROU: S3, Ep6

Thu, 20 Jul 2023 11:18:13 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 6: Neathery Falchuk

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Neathery Falchuk (they/them) about their embodiment journey.

Neathery Falchuk (they/them) is a queer, trans and non-binary, white Latinx, fat, and neurodivergent therapist, licensed clinical social worker and supervisor, certified group psychotherapist, certified Body Trust® provider, and certified meditation teacher. Neathery is the founder of Ample and Rooted, an inclusive psychotherapy, consulting, and training practice specializing in working with eating disorders, body liberation, sex and sexuality, gender, relationship concerns, trauma, mindfulness, grief and loss, and substance use. Neathery is a past President of Central Texas Eating Disorder Specialists, past board member of Austin Group Psychotherapy Society and former chair of the DEI Committee, past board member of the Association for Size Diversity and Health, and currently serves on the program committee for Project HEAL. Neathery lives in Austin, TX with their wife and enjoys hiking, meditation, sipping coffee on patios, and starting and never finishing books.

Ample + Rooted, as an inclusive therapy practice, cultivates a safe and welcoming space of compassion and connection. At Ample + Rooted, we believe it is our birthright to inhabit, trust and honor our physical and emotional selves without shame. We believe in cultivating a healing home for the whole you and that this healing and belonging is profoundly vital in creating a more equitable and just world. We believe compassion, pleasure and embodiment lead the way toward healing and liberation.

The practice is rooted in Health at Every Size®, Body Trust®, fat-positive, sex-positive, LGBTQ+ affirming, harm reduction, trauma-responsive, culturally responsive, and anti-oppressive frameworks.

For more information, please visit: www.ampleandrooted.com and follow us on IG: @ampleandrooted

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of death of a family member

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-6-neathery-falchuk/#captions

A few highlights:

5:46: Neathery shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey

21:33: Neathery discusses how the pandemic affected their embodiment practices

52:25: Neathery shares their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges

1:07:49: Neathery discusses how their work with Ample + Rooted Foundations has influenced their own relationship with embodiment

1:24:48: Neathery shares how their work with the Ample + Rooted Gathering Space has enhanced their embodiment within our field and the changes, revolutions, and evolutions they are working on making

1:40:43: Neathery discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:43:10 Neathery shares where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Thinking Beyond Textbooks, Thriving with Diabetes, and Inclusive Travel with Esther Tambe - EFTROU: S3, Ep5

Thu, 06 Jul 2023 19:05:43 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 5: Esther Tambe

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Esther Tambe (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Esther Tambe is a Registered Dietitian and Certified Diabetes Care and Education Specialist based in Long Island, NY. She is the founder of Esther Tambe Nutrition, LLC. She received her master’s degree in Nutrition with a concentration in Exercise Science from Long Island University. She also received her bachelor’s degrees in Nutrition from Long Island University and Health Science-Public Health at Stony Brook University.

Esther has worked in underserved communities, providing nutrition education and counseling to individuals with chronic illnesses like diabetes, hypertension, chronic kidney disease, and HIV/AIDS.

Esther is committed to increasing awareness of eating disorders and weight-inclusive nutrition counseling in Black communities. In addition to her work as a dietitian, Esther is involved in several other projects and initiatives.

In August 2020, Esther co-founded Fight Through Flights Inc. This non-profit organization aims to empower and support the healing of Black women living with breast cancer and breast cancer survivors.

Esther enjoys traveling worldwide, taking Zumba classes, and spending time with her family outside of work.

Esther Tambe's Instagram

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health

Trigger Warnings:

53:48: Jenn discusses prescribed weight loss

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-5-esther-tambe/#captions

A few highlights:

3:53: Esther shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

7:54: Esther discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

20:49: Esther shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

28:20: Esther discusses how her work with historically and currently marginalized populations has influenced her own relationship with embodiment

34:18: Esther shares her experience with embodiment as a diabetes educator

1:06:45: Esther discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:08:18: Esther shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Dubious Diagnosis

Iatrogenesis

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Community Building, Body Trust, and Podcasting with Aaron Flores - EFTROU: S3, Ep4

Thu, 06 Jul 2023 13:49:44 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 4: Aaron Flores

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Aaron Flores (he/him) about his embodiment journey.

Aaron Flores is a registered dietitian nutritionist and Certified Body Trust® provider. With over 10 years of experience, Aaron has worked with eating disorders in a variety of settings over his career, including the VA Healthcare System and Center for Discovery. He currently has a private practice in Calabasas, CA. Aaron uses Intuitive Eating, Health at Every Size®, and Body Trust® as the framework to help individuals develop a more compassionate, non-judgemental approach to food and their body. His work has been featured on the 10% Happier Podcast, in the New York Times, Huffington Post and Buzzfeed. Aaron is also a frequent speaker, presenting at national and international eating disorder conferences. In addition to his individual work with clients, he is also a podcaster. His two shows are Men Unscripted and, Dietitians Unplugged.

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-4-aaron-flores/#captions

A few highlights:

5:40: Aaron shares his understanding of embodiment and his own embodiment journey

18:35: Aaron discusses how the pandemic affected his embodiment practices

35:12: Aaron shares his understanding of “the rest of us” and how he is a part of that, as well as his privileges

1:21:00: Aaron discusses how podcasting has enhanced his connection to embodiment

1:30:41: Aaron shares how advocating for fat providers and fat men has changed his own embodiment

1:42:09 Aaron shares where to be found and what’s next for him

Links from this episode:

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

The Healing Wisdom of Africa

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive: Reclaiming the Black Body with Alishia McCullough - EFTROU: S3, Ep3

Thu, 08 Jun 2023 13:42:51 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 3: Alishia McCullough

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Alishia McCullough (she/her) about her somatic embodiment journey of reclaiming the Black body.

Alishia McCullough (she/her) is a Licensed Clinical Mental Health Therapist, Somatic Healer, Writer, and Culture Shifter supporting BIPOC folks to holistically heal their relationship with their bodies. She specializes in somatic therapy, trauma healing, and eating disorder treatment with a focus on increasing embodied awareness and liberation. She is the owner of Black and Embodied™ Counseling and Consulting PLLC, outside of her clinical work, she is a Co-Founder of the global Amplify Melanated Voices Movement 2020, and has worked as a mental health influencer in META's "wellbeing collective". Her work has been featured by Forbes, Target, Bustle, Times OC, and Black Girl Nerds. To learn more about her work, check out at blackandembodied.com and her Instagram account @blackandembodied.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, discussion of racism

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-3-alishia-mccullough/#captions

A few highlights:

6:36: Alishia shares her understanding of the complexities of embodiment for Black, Indigenous, and People of the Global Majority

36:45: Alishia discusses her devotion to her own embodiment and supporting others’ embodiment process

45:01: Alishia shares her process writing her book, Reclaiming the Black Body

53:11: Alishia discusses how she sees her support work expanding in the future

1:01:35: Alishia shares how she encourages others and herself to hold boundaries around checking in with capacity, tuning into misalignment, and reclaiming energy

1:25:37: Alishia discusses the linked parallels of trauma-informed and race-informed work

1:39:57: Alishia shares what’s next for her personally and professionally

Links from this episode:

#AmplifyMelanatedVoices

Imani Babarin

In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts

It’s Always Been Ours

Jessica Wilson

Life with Lost Keys

On Being with Krista Trippett episode with Resmaa Menakem

Rene Brooks

Resmaa Menakem

Rest Is Resistance

The Spirit Catches You and You Fall Down

What My Bones Know

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Deep Dive: Stepping Stones that Support Neurodivergent Embodiment with Kymber Stephenson - EFTROU: S3, Ep2

Thu, 25 May 2023 14:01:45 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 2: Kymber Stephenson

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about re-embodiment, the stepping stones that support neurodivergent embodiment, and what’s next in her embodiment journey.

Kymber Stephenson (she/her) is a registered dietitian nutritionist living & working in Fort Collins, Colorado. As the Clinical Director at Side by Side Nutrition, she supports clients and clinicians in their exploration of what embodiment & food flexibility could be in today's world. Kymber came to this work passionate about inclusive disordered eating management and prevention. She believes all people deserve equitable access to quality food and evidence-based nutrition education, regardless of status or background. In this vein, she focuses on educating clients about the multi-faceted ways history, marketing, food systems, culture, psychology, and body image affect health and relationships to nutrition, food, and body.

Recognizing the complex, sometimes painful associations brought on by these challenges, she works with her clients to find their vision for their most peaceful relationship with food, acknowledging not only its nourishing properties, but truly embracing its comforts, tradition, and fun! Kymber's philosophy is that disordered eating is rooted primarily in an iceberg of social injustice, and that it is an individual's birthright to reclaim a peaceful, confident relationship with food while embracing satisfaction in their bodies and their overall lives.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of eating disorders, discussion of healthism, mention of anti-choice laws

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-3/season-3-episode-2-kymber-stephenson/#captions

A few highlights:

4:30: Kymber shares how her understanding of the complexities of embodiment and neurodivergence, specifically ADHD, has changed for her

31:26: Kymber discusses re-embodiment

51:53: Kymber discusses the process of body imaging

1:12:43: Kymber shares how the complexities of all of the parts that live within us show up in embodiment work

1:27:52 Kymber discusses looking for “what’s next”

1:35:21: Kymber shares how body autonomy, personal agency, safety, and security are intrinsic to embodiment conversations

1:42:50: Kymber discusses and what’s next for her personally and professionally

Links from this episode:

ADHD and Children’s Self-Esteem

Adult Children of Emotionally Immature Parents

Attachment Theory

The Blackfoot People’s Hierarchy of Needs

Cognitive Flexibility

Impostor Syndrome

Neuroplasticity

Rejection Sensitivity Dysphoria

Sheila Ciminera

Tiana Dodson

US Airplane Cockpit Measurement Study

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-12-wrap-up/#captions/

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Season 3 Intro Episode: Embodiment Evolutions, Life Updates, and Deep Dives - EFTROU: S3, Ep1

Thu, 11 May 2023 11:58:12 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 3, Episode 1: Intro Episode

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss what’s coming up for them, and for you, in Season 3!

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of racism, discussion of mental health, discussion of death of a family member

Trigger Warnings:

39:50: Jenn discusses trichotillomania and dermatillomania

The captions for this episode can be found at https://EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com/Season-3/Season-3-Episode-1-Season-Intro/#Captions

Links from this episode:

Accessibility Awareness

Body Trust

Camel Case/Pascal Case

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Website: EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs.com

Twitter: @EmbodimentUs

Instagram: @EmbodimentForTheRestOfUs

Season 2 Wrap-Up: Looking Back on Embodiment and The Rest of Us, and Forward to Deep Dives in Season 3 - EFTROU: S2, Ep12

Thu, 20 Oct 2022 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 12: Season 2 Wrap-Up

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) review season 2–all they learned and unlearned–and plans for season 3! See you in 2023!!

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia, mention of eugenics

Trigger Warnings:

42:23: Jenn misgenders Michelle Phillips (they/them/theirs) and apologizes

1:14:21: Chavonne says the beginning of an ableist word

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

2:55: Chavonne and Jenn share their understanding of “embodiment” now

11:02: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their understanding of “the rest of us” now

33:53: Chavonne and Jenn share their most memorable moments from the season

42:34: Jenn and Chavonne discuss their biggest takeaways from the season

55:20: Chavonne and Jenn share what they’re looking forward to for season 3

1:18:09: Jenn and Chavonne discuss embodiment during their intentional rest break for the rest of 2022

Links from this episode:

Ample and Rooted

Chelsea Levy

Dr. Joy Cox

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)

Jen McLellan

Jes Baker

Kymber Stephenson

Laziness Does Not Exist

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodied Pregnancy, Travel, and Podcasting while Plus Size with Jen McLellan - EFTROU: S2, Ep11

Thu, 06 Oct 2022 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Jen McLellan

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jen McLellan (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Jen McLellan, CBE, is a published author, founder of Plus Size Birth, and host of the Plus Mommy Podcast. She helps people navigate the world of plus size pregnancy, shares tips for embracing your body, and laughs her way through the adventures of parenthood.

With over 7 million page views, Plus Size Bith is the premier plus size pregnancy resource trusted by parents and professionals. The Plus Mommy Podcast has over 280,000 downloads and was named one of the best pregnancy podcasts of 2022 by The Bump.

Jen's work has been featured in major publications, including The New York Times, Glamour, and Huffington Post.

As a public speaker, Jen has been featured at numerous events, including presenting at the National Institutes of Health. Jen is also a certified childbirth educator, wife, and mother to a charismatic twelve-year-old.

Plus Mommy Podcast - https://plusmommy.com/

Plus Mommy Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/plusmommy/

Plus Size Birth - https://plussizebirth.com/plus-size-pregnancy/

Plus Size Birth Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/plussizebirth/

My Size-Friendly Care Providers Guide (free guide on how to connect with a size-friendly care provider) - https://plussizebirth.com/subscribe/

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of medical fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia, discussion of fatphobia

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-11-jen-mclellan/#captions/

A few highlights:

5:19: Jen shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

13:05: Jen discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

24:02: Jen shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

31:34: Jen discusses how podcasting has enhanced her connection to embodiment

36:56: Jen shares how advocating for fat pregnancy and birth has changed her own embodiment

52:36: Jen discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:00:19: Jen shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Jen’s Viral “Flying While Fat” IG Reel

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-10-kymber-stephenson/#captions/

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment for Real People in Real Life with Kymber Stephenson - EFTROU: S2, Ep10

Thu, 22 Sep 2022 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 10: Kymber Stephenson

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Kymber Stephenson (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Kymber Stephenson is a Registered Dietitian Nutritionist living and working in Colorado. Her experience began with a love of food which led her to pursue a degree in Culinary Arts from Johnson & Wales University. As her love of science and helping people wove with that initial path, she continued on to a Bachelor of Science in Culinary Nutrition with a dual concentration in clinical dietetics and culinary food science. From there, her background spanned diverse roles across the food, nutrition, and healthcare sectors as she went on to ground in medical nutrition therapy.

Kymber is especially passionate about disordered eating management and prevention. In this vein, she focuses on educating clients about the multi-faceted ways history, marketing, food systems, culture, psychology, and body image affect health and relationships to nutrition, food, and body. She works with clients to restore & build their relationship with food, acknowledging not only its nourishing properties, but truly embracing its comforts, tradition, and fun! Kymber is a strong believer in a whole person approach, embracing integrated body image counseling which often goes far deeper than simply body or image.

Working in a client-guided manner and Health at Every Size-informed, she strives to help each unique person reach their idea of peace and satisfaction in their bodies and their overall lives. Kymber's driving philosophy is that all people deserve equitable access to quality food, evidence-based nutrition education, informed consent, and bodily autonomy regardless of status or background.

Socials: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kymberstephenson

@sidebysidenutrition

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of ableism, discussion of healthism

Trigger Warnings:

49:18: Kymber discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in April 2022)

1:13:44: Chavonne discusses how white supremacy culture impacts her eating behaviors

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

2:49: Kymber shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

14:54: Kymber discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

34:54: Kymber shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

48:20: Kymber discusses her take on IE, HAES® and AND

1:26:06: Kymber shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation as well as where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (1)

ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (2)

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)

Social Determinants of Health

Kyriarchy

Laziness Does Not Exist

Nikki Haggett

Sick Enough

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-9-joy-cox/#captions/

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Creating Community and Fat Acceptance with Dr. Joy Cox - EFTROU: S2, Ep9

Thu, 08 Sep 2022 11:14:22 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 9: Dr. Joy Cox

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Dr. Joy Cox (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Dr. Joy Cox is a body justice advocate using her skill set in research and leadership to foster social change through the promotion of fat acceptance and diversity and inclusion. With 39 years living as a fat, Black cisgendered woman and 8+ years of professional experience under her belt, Dr. Cox draws on her own experiences and skillset to amplify the voices of those most marginalized in society, bringing attention to matters of intersectionality addressing race, body size, accessibility, and "health."

Joy has been featured on several podcasts and media productions such as Food Psych with Christy Harrison, Nalgona Positivity Pride with Gloria Lucas, Fat Women of Color with Ivy Felicia, and the New York Times. Her book, Fat Girls in Black Bodies: Creating Communities of Our Own was released in 2020 and has received outstanding reviews and been featured in advocacy work near and far. Dr. Cox is the voice of an overcomer, looking to propel others into a place of freedom designed by their desires.

Website links:

drjoycox.com

Jabbie - www.getjabbie.com

IG & FB - @freshoutthecocoon

Twitter - @DrJoyCox

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of ableism, discussion of healthism

Trigger Warnings:

55:48: Joy discusses legislation that is harmful to the LGBTQIA+ community

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

4:10: Joy shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

8:19: Joy discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

19:10: Joy shares embodiment practices for those adultified as children

33:09: Joy discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

44:31: Joy shares the connection between community and embodiment

49:50: Joy discusses how structural change and community impact embodiment

1:02:43: Joy shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation as well as where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Critical Race Theory

Jabbie App

Year of Return

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-8-shelby-gordon/#captions/

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Systemic Racism and Dehumanizing Diet Culture with Shelby Gordon - EFTROU: S2, Ep8

Thu, 25 Aug 2022 11:50:28 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 8: Shelby Gordon

August 25, 2022

Shelby is a retired world-champion, professional dieter who broke the chains of restriction, excessive exercise, and body hatred by embracing Body Trust®. She now works with helping professionals and organizations to ignite and elevate their awareness of the intersection of fusion of systemic racism and dehumanizing diet culture. She is an awesome daughter, prolific social media disrupter and future puppy owner.

IG: @fit.flexible.fluid

TW: @fit.flexible.fluid

The captions for this episode can be found at:

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture and behaviors, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices, discussion of healthism

Trigger Warnings:

11:57, 13:55, and 59:20: Shelby uses the word “tribe” in a way that is offensive

11:59: Shelby discusses a suicide

21:50: Shelby discusses the murder of George Floyd

30:01: Shelby discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in early March 2022)

42:50 and 55:16: Shelby uses the word “crazy” in a way that is ableist

A few highlights:

3:55 Shelby shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

19:41: Shelby discusses how the pandemic affected her embodiment practices

32:17: Shelby shares how her social media work affects her own embodiment

40:03: Shelby discusses how humor can be helpful with practicing embodiment

44:19: Shelby discusses the lack of nuance of embodiment in social media

53:16: Shelby shares her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:12:06: Shelby discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:26:04: Shelby shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Alishia McCullough

Amplify Melanated Voices

Whitney Trotter

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Episode Editing:

A special shout out to Christine Anatone at Anatone Creative, who was our editor for this episode. THANK YOU CHRIS!!!

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-7-jenn-radke/#captions/

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Bibliotherapy (Reading) as Embodiment with Jennifer Radke - EFTROU: S2, Ep7

Thu, 11 Aug 2022 06:47:28 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 7: Jennifer Radke

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jenn Radke (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Jennifer Radke is the host of the podcast, Fat Girl Book Club, and a podcasting coach. Her body image journey started with sneaking cookie dough out of the deep freezer at the age of eight, moved through a bunch of different diets, at least three goal weight celebrations, two bodybuilding competitions and culminated in an eating disorder. When she finally figured out that she would never diet her way to self-love, she started reading. As she read, so many things began to fall into place and now her focus is on using the podcast to help others see that their body is something to cherished and loved.

Social Media:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/fatgirlbookclubpod/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063705813357

Fat Girl Book Club can be found on your podcast listening app of choice Podcasting Website: https://www.fearlesspodcasting.co

The captions for this episode can be found at:

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of eating disorders and disordered eating, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of ableism, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices, discussion of healthism, discussion of weight loss surgery

Trigger Warnings:

5:06: Jenn R. discusses her eating disorder history

9:46: Jenn R. uses the word “crazy” in a way that may be ableist

10:21: Jenn R. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in early March 2022)

25:43: Jenn R. discusses Virgie Tovar and her work (this author is now known to have caused harm to superfat and infinifat people, so there is no link to her work)

33:15: Jenn R. shares her experience with fitness magazines and body comparison

37:37: Jenn R. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)

37:57: Jenn R. discusses Caroline Dooner and her work (this author is now known to have caused harm due to her anti-vaxx stance and overall racist rhetoric, so there is no link to their work)

46:00: Jenn J. discusses Marilyn Manson and their book (this author is now known to have caused harm to intimate partners, so there is no link to their work)

51:31: Chavonne discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)

52:52: Chavonne discusses Anita Johnston and her work (this author’s book is now known to have caused harm due to its weight stigma, so there is no link to their work)

1:03:10: Jenn R. discusses weight loss surgery

1:05:08: Jenn J. discusses the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library

1:14:03: Jenn J. discusses Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused (see note above)

A few highlights:

4:31: Jenn R. shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

16:13: Jenn R. discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

31:14 Jenn R. shares how reading or bibliotherapy can help those moving toward embodiment

57:14: Jenn R. discusses how hosting a podcast about, by, and for fat people has enhanced her connection with embodiment

1:03:51 : Jenn R. discusses where HAES® and IE fall short

1:20:23: Jenn R. shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:25:21: Jenn R. discusses where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Absolute Fat vs. Relative Fat

Belly of the Beast

Big Big Love

Big Fit Girl

The Body Is Not An Apology

Body of Truth

Deb Burgard

Decolonizing Wellness

Dietland

Don’t Let It Get You Down

FGBC Episode with Amanda Murphy

FGBC Episode with Maggie Landes, MD

FGBC Episode with Shadoe Ball 1

FGBC Episode with Shadoe Ball 2

The Fat Lady Sings

Fattily Ever After

Fitness for Every Body

Hanne Blank

Happy Fat

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)

Hunger

Intuitive Eating (the book)

Killer Fat (TW: full title has the “O word”)

Social Determinants of Health

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Healing Ourselves To Heal Others: A Virtual Conference

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Grief, Liberation, and Embodiment with Michelle Phillips - EFTROU: S2, Ep6

Thu, 28 Jul 2022 07:00:00 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 6: Michelle Phillips

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Michelle Phillips (they/them/we) about their embodiment journey.

Michelle Phillips, The Liberation Strategist, is a mental health and spiritual care practitioner with over 15 years of experience in transformational and holistic care. They have been on a journey of walking with individuals toward a deeper understanding of themselves on every level of wellness-spiritual, somatic, mental, and emotional. Michelle is the founder of Liberation Strategies, an agent of liberatory change which provides liberation coaching for individuals, nonprofits, and organizations. Compassionate and grounded in helping people realize their own power to cultivate change, Michelle creates space for clients to transmute their grief toward joy and liberation.

Michelle is an intuitive mental health clinician, coach, consultant, and facilitator. A native of Decatur, Georgia, a current resident, and a provisionally licensed clinician in Washington State, they hold a Master's in Clinical Mental Health Counseling from Seattle University in Seattle, WA. In addition, Michelle is a 2020 National Board of Certified Counselors Minority Fellow for Clinical Mental Health Counseling.

Michelle is a parent, a partner, and a step-parent to two Cairn Terriers, Adler and Dempsey. Michelle loves being outside in forests, gardens, canyon, mountains, and at the water's edge when not working. They love learning more about herbs and plant relatives while hiking and walking in gardens. They also love singing, a deep and soothing balm for the soul.

Michelle, The Liberation Strategist

Website

Instagram

Portfolio

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of ableism, discussion of co opting of BIPOC practices

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-6-michelle-phillips/#captions/

A few highlights:

5:07: Michelle shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey

16:49: Michelle discusses how the pandemic has affected their devotion to embodiment, what lights them up up on a regular basis to feel embodied and how to make this accessible for everyone

35:15: Michelle shares how one’s sense of embodiment impacts their own liberation and efforts toward collective liberation

54:57: Michelle discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they are a part of that, as well as their privileges

1:04:33: Michelle shares what liberation coaching is and embodiment practices for folks moving through grief and toward liberation

1:25:23: Michelle discusses how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:28:30: Michelle discusses where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

WSQ: Black Love

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

www.chelsealevynutrition.com

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Relational Healing and Nourishment with Chelsea Levy - EFTROU: S2, Ep5

Thu, 30 Jun 2022 07:41:39 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 5: Chelsea Levy

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Chelsea Levy (she/her) about her embodiment journey. This is part 2, the encore, of our first-ever two-part episode!

Chelsea Levy (she/her) is a Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor and registered dietitian nutritionist. She earned her Master of Science from Hunter College and completed her dietetic internship at the City of New York (CUNY) School of Public Health. Chelsea utilizes Health at Every Size® (HAES®) principles in her approach to nutrition therapy. She works with individuals struggling with disordered eating and eating disorders, with a focus on weight-inclusive medical nutrition therapy, body image healing, and Intuitive Eating. Chelsea has interest in treating individuals with diabetes, and polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS) along with folks, who are in larger-bodies, and those who are transgender or non-binary. She believes it is vital to provide care relevant to an individual’s culture, ethnicity, and overall identities. Chelsea hosts a collaborative space for the exploration of food and body healing through creativity and compassion.

Instagram: @ChelseaLevyNutrition

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of dissociation

Trigger Warnings: None for this episode

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-5-chelsea-levy-encore/#captions/

A few highlights:

6:54: Chelsea discusses her understanding of “the rest of us”

11:04: Chelsea shares embodiment practices do you recommend for folks experiencing various stages of eating disorder recovery

41:36: Chelsea shares how she help clients tune into the nuance of their lived experiences

52:46: Chelsea discusses her take on IE, HAES® and AND

1:06:24: Chelsea shares her online eating support on IG

1:15:27: Chelsea discusses ways in which conversations about embodiment miss the mark by letting systems and those in power off the hook

1:24:49: Chelsea shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:30:47: Chelsea discusses how to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (1)

ASDAH’s response to Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics’ Evidence Analysis Library (2)

Autonomous Choice

BIPOC Eating Disorder Conference

Diversify Dietetics

Food Insecurity and Eating Disorders

Harm Reduction

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES® movement)

Lindley Ashline

Stress and Digestion (1):

Stress and Digestion (2): (TW/CW for the second page and fatphobic suggestions)

Whitney Trotter

Vinny Welsby

Fat Positive and Fat Liberation Reading Recommendations Beyond HAES® lists from Nikki Haggett and Vinny Welsby

Here is some info about what went on since March of 2022 regarding HAES® and the book’s author: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here).

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

www.chelsealevynutrition.com

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Nourishment and Nuance with Chelsea Levy - EFTROU: S2, Ep4

Thu, 16 Jun 2022 09:52:09 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 4: Chelsea Levy

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Chelsea Levy (she/her) about her embodiment journey. This is part 1 of our first-ever two-part episode!

Instagram: @ChelseaLevyNutrition

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, discussion of dissociation

Trigger Warnings:

58:19: A discussion of fatphobia that can exist when discussing the fatness spectrum

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-4-chelsea-levy/#captions/

A few highlights:

4:32: Chelsea shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

44:08: Chelsea discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:33:08: Chelsea shares embodiment practices for folks experiencing various stages of eating disorder recovery

Links from this episode:

Absolute Fat vs. Relative Fat

Carbohydrate Metabolism

Don’t Let It Get You Down

Doshas

Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs

Polyvagal Theory

Protein Metabolism

Window of Tolerance

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Pleasure, Sexuality, and Embodiment with Molly Adler - EFTROU: S2, Ep3

Thu, 02 Jun 2022 12:29:12 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 3: Molly Adler

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Molly Adler(she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Molly is a Certified Sex Therapist with the American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists (AASECT). Her practice Sex Therapy New Mexico is based in Albuquerque, New Mexico on Tiwa land. She works with a lot of clients who are LGBTQ2S+, BIPOC, anti-racist, activists, polyamorous, and/or kink identified. Her approach is compassionate, grounded, pleasure-centered, light-hearted & social justice oriented. She enjoys the micro-level therapeutic work, as well as working towards structural change by offering training for healthcare providers and institutions who want to be more inclusive of sexual and gender diversity in their work. Previously she co-founded and co-directed Self Serve Toys, New Mexico’s first and only sex-positive, health- and education-focused adult shop and resource center for its first eight years.

Molly’s Website

Molly’s Email List

Molly’s Instagram

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of dissociation, mention of rape culture

Trigger Warnings:

33:12: Molly discusses sexual violence and abuse

1:09:59: Chavonne uses a term that is harmful to some of those experiencing gender expansiveness

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-3-molly-adler/#captions/

A few highlights:

4:55: Molly shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

15:37: Molly discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment, what lights her up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone

35:46: Molly shares how one’s sense of embodiment impacts sexual pleasure and vice-a-versa

49:30: Molly discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:09:38: Molly discusses gender expansiveness and embodiment practices for those experiencing it

1:21:35: Molly shares her definition of pleasure liberation

1:29:10: Molly discusses Self Serve and Aliso Roots Community Collective and why physical spaces are important in fostering liberation

1:42:12: Molly shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:47:37: Molly discusses where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Adrienne Marie Brown

Betty Martin

Bodymind

Cuddle Parties

DSM-5

Fight-Flight-Freeze-Fawn Response

Functional Fixedness

Gender Dysphoria

Internal Family Systems Therapy

Interoception

Janina Fisher

Leah Lakshmi Piepzna-Samarasinha

Lucie Fielding

Marcia Baczynski

Mating In Captivity

Also, two extra resources Molly wanted to pass along!

Curvy Girl Sex

Honor Native Land Tax

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Fat Liberation and Photography with Lindley Ashline - EFTROU: S2, Ep2

Thu, 19 May 2022 08:31:23 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 2: Lindley Ashline

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Lindley Ashline (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Lindley Ashline creates photographs that celebrate the unique beauty of bodies that fall outside conventional "beauty" standards. She fights weight stigma by giving fat people a safe place to explore how their bodies look on camera and by increasing the representation of fat bodies in photography, advertising, fine art and the world at large.

Lindley is also the creator of Body Liberation Stock (body-positive stock images for commercial use) and the Body Love Shop (a curated resource for body-friendly products and artwork). Find Lindley's work and get her free weekly Body Liberation Guide at http://bit.ly/bodyliberationguide.

Website: http://www.bodyliberationphotos.com

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bodyliberationwithlindley/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/bodyliberationphotos/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/lindleyashline

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, discussion of healthism, mention of unintentional weight loss, discussion of internalized fatphobia

Trigger Warnings:

58:45: Jenn discusses her internalized fatphobic messages

1:02:48: Lindley discusses harmful stereotypes about fat people

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-2-lindley-ashline/#captions/

A few highlights:

4:13: Lindley shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

37:37: Lindley discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment, what lights her up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone

1:26:15: Lindley discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:29:44: Lindley discusses fat liberation, body liberation, and photography

1:46:22: Lindley shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:54:14: Lindley shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Lindley’s Definitions of Liberation

Harm Reduction

Lindley’s Medium Article about Photoshopping

Here is some info about what went on since March of 2022 regarding HAES® and the book’s author, including direct harm of our interviewee: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here).

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

The Body Is Not An Apology

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Season 2 Intro Episode: The Interviewers Become the Interviewees - EFTROU: S2, Ep1

Thu, 05 May 2022 15:01:30 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 2, Episode 1: Season 2 Intro

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss season 2! They answer some of the questions they asked their incredible interviewees during the upcoming season.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of racism, discussion of internalized ableism and fatphobia, mention of mental health struggles

Trigger Warnings:

51:43: Discussion about Lindo Bacon’s harm. Here is some info about what has been going on for the last two months: here, here, here, and here among others (with updates to some of those here and here). Unfortunately, further updates center the one who harmed and do not center the most marginalized, so they are not included here within these show notes.

1:21:13: Chavonne mentioned Virgie Tovar’s book. Due to us just learning about past harm caused by Virgie Tovar to Black and superfat folks, we do not link to her book.

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-2/season-2-episode-1-season-intro/#captions

A few highlights:

1:54: Chavonne and Jenn share what stood out for them most from Season 1

10:05: Jenn and Chavonne discuss embodiment as a pleasure practice

30:52: Chavonne and Jenn discuss how to tune into the nuance of embodiment through many life experiences

43:12: Jenn and Chavonne share embodiment practices for folks moving through grief and toward liberation

51:40: Chavonne and Jenn share their takes on IE and HAES in light of problematic events that took place in 2021

1:08:55: Jenn and Chavonne share how they intend to center and send more compensation to those in marginalized spaces

1:17:47 Chavonne and Jenn discuss bibliotherapy and reading about body liberation

Links from this episode:

Body Positive Power

Decolonizing Wellness

Demisexuality

Fat and Queer

Fat Girls in Black Bodies

Happy Fat

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)

Medium Article re: Paying a Tribal Land Rent

Social Determinants of Health

Unashamed

What Fresh Hell Is This?

Music: “Bees and Bumblebees (Abeilles et Bourdons), Op. 562” by Eugène Dédé through the Creative Commons License

Please follow us on social media:

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Twitter: @embodimentus

Season 1 Wrap-Up: Reflections and Looking Forward to Season 2 - EFTROU: S1, Ep10

Thu, 17 Mar 2022 15:59:05 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 10: Season 1 Wrap-Up

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) review season 1–all they learned and unlearned and plans for season 2!

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, discussion of classism, discussion of ableism, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, mention of healthism

Trigger Warnings:

1:25:13: Discussion about Lindo Bacon’s work before more awareness of the harm that they have caused in their work came to light in the first two weeks of March 2022 here, here, here, and here among others (with updates here and here) (this episode was recorded in October of 2021)

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-10-wrap-up/#captions

A few highlights:

2:40: Chavonne and Jenn share their own embodiment practices and devotions

16:01: Jenn and Chavonne discuss how the pandemic has affected their senses of embodiment and when they are feeling most embodied

42:37: Chavonne and Jenn discuss they support someone’s goal of managing their health without veering into healthism as well as how they navigate the biases and stigmas inherent in their education

1:10:30: Jenn and Chavonne discuss where HAES® and IE fall short

1:27:34: Chavonne and Jenn share how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:34:35: Jenn and Chavonne share where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Fat Positive and Fat Liberation Reading Recommendations Beyond HAES® lists from Nikki Haggett and Vinny Welsby

Food Apartheid

Health At Every Size® (HAES®) (especially the FAQ for the origin of the HAES movement)

Motivational Interviewing

Orthorexia

Proprioception

Susannah Barkataki

What We Don’t Talk About When We Talk About Fat

Yoga Is Dead

Also: Information about the ABA and its harmful ways

A thread on the issues with ABA and what the founder has said (CW: dehumanizing of autistic people)
A whole website of links
An amazing (heart breaking and shocking lots of TWs) podcast episode on the horrible founder (who also founded conversion therapy)

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Denise Friedman and the Trauma of Embodiment - EFTROU: S1, Ep9

Tue, 01 Mar 2022 10:58:11 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 9: Denise Friedman

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Denise Friedman (she/her) about their embodiment journey.

Denise Friedman, LCSW (she/her) is a lifelong rad fatty and clinical social worker. She was born a New Yorker and has been welcomed by New Mexico. Her practice focuses on general mental health as well as trauma work, particularly complex trauma and childhood emotional neglect. She is committed to providing a safe space to be seen, heard, accepted, and affirmed to all who come to her office (or telehealth room). When Denise went online for the first time in 1999, the first thing she did was look for other fat people. She has been seeking and helping to create fat community both online and in person ever since her first Yahoo!Groups post all those years ago. Denise believes in the revolutionary power of fat people taking pleasure in food and can nearly always be found cooking food, reading about food, or sharing food with others.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of trauma and complex trauma, mention of healthism

Trigger Warnings:

10:34: Denise uses the word “nuts” in a way that can be seen as stigmatizing mental health

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-9-denise-friedman/#captions

A few highlights:

4:05: Denise shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

16:09: Denise discusses how the pandemic has affected her devotion to embodiment

30:28: Denise discusses what lights them up up on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone

36:06: Denise discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

49:32: Denise shares what complex PTSD (C-PTSD) is as it relates to bodies and embodiment

57:17: Denise discusses where HAES® and IE fall short

1:05:26: Denise shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:16:57: Denise shares where to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Gabifresh

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Jess Kennard and Belonging to Ourselves - EFTROU: S1, Ep8

Thu, 10 Feb 2022 09:12:04 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 8: Jess Kennard

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Jess Kennard (they/she) about their embodiment journey. To learn more about their work, check out their website, www.jesskennard.com.

Jess Kennard MA, LMHC, ATR-P is a clinical art therapist and eco-arts facilitator working on land belonging to the Tiwa speaking people in what is also called Albuquerque, New Mexico. They practice expressive eco-arts therapy which combines various creative modalities with the healing potential of the natural world. Jess's work focuses on clients healing their relationship with their body to belong to themselves more fully. They strive to model anti-oppressive practice, radical consent, fat-positivity, and environmental stewardship through their life and therapeutic work. Jess also leads dream exploration groups, expressive arts workshops, and one-on-one creative well-being sessions in addition to their private practice. Visit Jess @thesacredthird on Tumblr and Pinterest to follow along with their latest.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of family and complex trauma, mention of compulsive exercise, mention of chronic pain, discussion of anti-queer violence

Trigger Warnings:

32:28: Jess discusses a history of compulsive movement

53:38: Jess discusses an experience of anti-queer violence

56:11: Jess discusses the most recent TX anti-abortion law

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-8-jess-kennard/#captions

A few highlights:

4:58: Jess shares their understanding of embodiment and their own embodiment journey

19:59: Jess discusses how the pandemic has affected their devotion to embodiment

37:00: Jess discusses what lights they do on a regular basis to feel embodied how to make this accessible for everyone

47:57: Jess discusses their understanding of “the rest of us” and how they is a part of that, as well as their privileges

59:05: Jess shares what eco-therapy and expressive arts are as they relate to bodies and embodiment

1:07:51: Jess shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:14:13: Jess shares where to be found and what’s next for them

Links from this episode:

Expressive Arts Therapy

Gabrielle Roth’s 5 Rhythms

Interoception

“The Missing Piece”

Proprioception

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Sheila Ciminera and Harm Reduction - EFTROU: S1, Ep7

Thu, 27 Jan 2022 11:37:08 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 7: Sheila Ciminera

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Sheila Ciminera (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, check out her website, bearwitnesstherapy.com.

Sheila Ciminera, LCSW, is a social worker and owner of To Bear Witness Therapy. Over the past 17 years, she has had the privilege of being case manager, program developer, individual and group therapist, clinical supervisor, acudetox specialist, professor, and trainer. Her primary focus is supporting helping professionals with compassion fatigue and vicarious trauma. She also specializes in working with individuals dealing with trauma, addictions, and justice involvement- all through the lens of trauma-informed care and harm reduction. She loves punk rock, yoga, traveling, art, and her two beautiful pit bulls.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of mental health struggles, mention of medical fatphobia, discussion of detoxing, mention of juice cleansing, discussion of substance usage and addiction, discussion of incarceration, discussion of trauma, discussion of the stigma against formerly incarcerated people

Trigger Warnings:

57:13: Sheila discusses Lizzo going on a detox

1:12:05: Sheila discusses women being shackled during childbirth and then having their babies taken away

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-7-sheila-ciminera/#captions

A few highlights:

5:07: Sheila shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

9:39: Sheila discusses what lights her up and how to make this accessible for everyone

30:33: Sheila discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

40:10: Sheila discusses how to account for trauma related to body size and/or fatness within trauma-informed model of care

47:52: Sheila discusses where HAES® and IE fall short

55:00: Sheila discusses her take on the connection between healthism and harm reduction

1:10:46: Sheila discusses how formerly incarcerated women are left out of traditional wellness, body image, and embodiment conversations

1:27:13: Sheila shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:30:55: Sheila shares how to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Acudetox

Harm Reduction

In the Realm of Hungry Ghosts

Healthism

Lizzo Discusses Her Detox

Lizzo: “Rumors”

Oxytocin Connection Between Dogs and Their Humans

Riot Grrrl Movement

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

Absolute Fat vs. Relative Fat

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Tiana Dodson and Fat Freedom - EFTROU: S1, Ep6

Thu, 11 Nov 2021 04:10:04 -0700

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 6: Tiana Dodson

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Tiana Dodson (she/her) about her embodiment journey.

Tiana Dodson is a fat, Body Liberation Coach and Facilitator who’s out to destroy the belief that you have to be skinny to be happy and healthy, loveable, or worthy. Through her work with the Fat Freedom programs, she guides people feminine-of-center to reconnect with their bodies, destigmatize fatness, and learn about the harms of health being a measure of worth... all while finding how they can live their best fat lives.

Links:

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/iamtianadodson/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/tianathecoach/

Twitter: https://twitter.com/iamtianadodson

Fat Freedom Foundation, introductory support community for body liberation: https://tianadodson.com/becomefff

Fat Freedom Moments, text message subscription service for a moment of Body Liberation in a Day Full of Diet Culture Nonsense: https://tianadodson.com/ffmoments

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, discussion of diet culture, mention of war and colonialism, mention of ableism, mention of neurodiversity barriers, mention of abusive relationships, mention of cults

Trigger Warnings:

41:33-52:23: A discussion of fatphobia in airplane travel

49:36: Tiana uses the word “crazy” to emphasize how the word has been weaponized against women and femmes and/or those with mental health diagnoses

52:57: Jenn discusses wheelchairs damaged on flights (and Jenn repairs in the moment at 51:42!)

55:33: Tiana discusses Hitler and the lack of self-awareness of those demanding conformity to dominance

1:23:13: Chavonne discusses Overeaters Anonymous

The captions for this episode can be found at https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-6-tiana-dodson/#captions

A few highlights:

4:28: Tiana shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

59:14: Tiana discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

1:25:13: Tiana discusses where HAES® and IE fall short

1:40:33: Tiana discusses the “safety of sovereignty”

1:48:22: Tiana shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:50:23: Tiana shares how to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

Audre Lorde’s Quote about A Single-Issue Life

Alishia McCullough

Audre Lorde

Belly of the Beast: The Politics of Anti-Fatness as Anti-Blackness

Body Respect: What Conventional Health Books Get Wrong, Leave Out, and Just Plain Fail to Understand about Weight

Da’Shaun Harrison

Diet Culture

Fat Freedom Foundation

Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia

“The Safety Of Sovereignty”

Proprioception

Sabrina Strings

Wheelchairs Being Broken on Flights

The Wretched of the Earth

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-5-nicola-haggett/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Nicola Haggett‘s Embodiment Journey - EFTROU: S1, Ep5

Thu, 28 Oct 2021 03:45:04 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 5: Nicola Haggett

Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Nicola Haggett (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, follow her on instagram under the handle @nicolahaggett or find her on her website, www.nicolahaggett.com.

Nicola Haggett is a Body Trust Coach, Mentor, & Facilitator. She helps folks to unlearn body shame, rebuild self trust, and have a more compassionate, connected, and nourishing relationship with their "here and now" body. Nicola is a professionally trained, experienced and compassionately curious Coach, Certified Body Trust® Provider, Intuitive Eating Facilitator, and Open Heart Project Meditation Instructor.

She describes herself as fat (a word she has reclaimed as a neutral descriptor for her body) and her lived experience as a fat person are an important part of what she brings to her work. Nicola believes that it's possible to nourish, care for, and build trust with your body, despite living in a culture that tells you that you need to shrink to fit in. She sees clients online from her home in East London, where she lives with her husband, Ricky, and their two kids.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism, mention of neurodiversity barriers

Trigger Warnings:

14:39: Nicola discusses her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

18:37: Chavonne discusses her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

24:30: Jenn discusses wheelchairs damaged on flights

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

4:40: Nicola shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

14:39 Nicola shares her experience of medical fatphobia during her pregnancies

29:27: Nicola discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

31:34: Nicola shares her daily embodiment practice and her take on the word “resilience”

Addendum: From Nicola: “I talk about my recent diagnosis with ADHD, and at a couple of points I refer to my kids' neurodiversity also. As I read more about what this means for both of us I have learned to use the word neurodivergence instead.”

1:04:57: Chavonne repairs with Nicola in the moment

1:07:34: Nicola discusses body stories and their intersections that come up with body justice and fat liberation

Addendum: Nicola credits Hilary Kivaney and Dana Sturtevant of BeNourished, who shared some of the questions as part of her Body Trust Provider training

1:17:45: Nicola discusses how trusting our bodies is the opposite of the search for a cure or purification

Addendum: Nicola wants to name that she is learning from Disability Justice and particularly Eli Clare's work

1:31:10: Nicola discusses how perfectionism benefits from our shame

Addendum: Nicola credits Tema Okun’s work in this regard and also credits Desiree Adaway, who first introduced her to the article below about white supremacy culture when she did Freedom School a few years ago

1:35:51: Nicola shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

1:39:29: Nicola shares how to be found and what’s next for her

Links from this episode:

The Body Is Not An Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor

Adrienne Marie Brown

Be Nourished

Body Story

Body Trust

Brilliant Imperfection

“Geriatric” Pregnancy Data from the 18th Century (1700s)

Freedom School

"The Needy Podcast” episode with Nicola (CW: discusses medical fatphobia in pregnancy)

Niva Piran and the Developmental Theory of Embodiment

Wheelchairs Being Broken on Flights

White Supremacy Culture Characteristics

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-4-alishia-mccullough/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Our First Guest Alishia McCullough!!! - EFTROU: S1, Ep4

Thu, 14 Oct 2021 12:13:36 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 4: Alishia McCullough

It’s the first interview! Woohoo! Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interviewed Alishia McCullough (she/her) about her embodiment journey. To learn more about her work, feel free to connect with her on social media under the handle @blackandembodied.

Alishia McCullough is a millennial Licensed Clinical Mental Health Therapist currently residing in the DMV. She is also an independently published author of the book Blossoming. Alishia is passionate about racial healing, and anti-colonialism within eating disorders. She is motivated to increase access and create spaces for Black, Indigenous and People of the Global Majority to come together and heal in ways that inspire holistic wellness and liberation focused healing. Outside of her clinical work, she is a Co-Founder of the AmplifyMelanatedVoices Movement and the Founder of The Holistic Black Healing Collective. Her work has been featured by Target, Bustle, Popsugar, LA Times, and Forbes.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism

Trigger Warnings:

53:20: Jenn discusses the history of slavery on Turtle Island

53:54: Jenn discusses mass graves in North American residential schools

1:24:26: Alishia discusses experimentation on and exploitation of Black people

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

4:22: Alishia shares her understanding of embodiment and her own embodiment journey

11:08: Alishia discusses how her IG presence came to be

13:31: Alishia discusses starting the #AmplifyMelanatedVoices Movement with Jessica Wilson

21:07: Alishia discusses her understanding of “the rest of us” and how she is a part of that, as well as her privileges

38:52: Alishia discusses how unchecked privilege from providers can cause harm

45:20: Alishia discusses how using BI&POC rather than BIPOC has changed her work

56:21: Correction: The activist discussed is Gloria Richardson and not Akeelah Richardson.

57:50: Alishia shares wise words to young people on how to support their embodied practices

1:06:47: Alishia discusses embodiment and religion

1:18:23: Alishia discusses how helping professionals can center the people they serve when working with them

1:24:51: Correction: The woman discussed is Sarah Baartman and not Sarah Barton.

1:28:31: Alishia shares how listeners can make a difference based on this conversation

Links from this episode:

#AmplifyMelanatedVoices

Alishia McCullough

Alishia McCullough’s Patreon

Amplify Melanated Voices Movement

BI&POC vs BIPOC

Black and Embodied

Credentialism (“letters”)

Enslavement on Turtle Island

“Food Is Not The Enemy” Article

Gloria Richardson

Imposter Syndrome

Jessica Wilson

Mass Graves of North American Indigenous Residential Schools

Quote about Identity from Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie’s Novel “Half of a Yellow Sun”

Religious Trauma, White Supremacy, & Eating Disorders Online Panel

Rosie Mensah

Sage and Spoon

Sarah Baartman

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-3-embodiment-rest-of-us/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Embodiment + The Rest of Us - EFTROU: S1, Ep3

Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:03:49 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 3: Embodiment + The Rest of Us

In this episode, Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) discuss their definitions of “embodiment” and “the rest of us”.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of ableism

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

2:29: Jenn shares her understanding of embodiment

5:37: Note: Credit to Lara Minges for the definition of embodiment being accessible for anyone who has breath and a shadow

12:46: Chavonne shares her understanding of embodiment

15:06: Correction: The collective mentioned is called Open Floor International. It is a movement collective and not solely a yoga collective.

26:04: Jenn shares her understanding of “the rest of us”

39:47: Chavonne shares her understanding of “the rest of us”

51:23: Jenn shares how she wants to make a difference from this conversation

1:01:00: Chavonne shares how she wants to make a difference from this conversation

Links from this episode:

10,000 Steps

Dr. Ann Saffi Biasetti

Catherine Cook-Cottone

Illusory Truth Effect

Impostor Syndrome

Lara Minges

Microaggression

Niva Piran and the Developmental Theory of Embodiment

Open Floor International

Othering and Belonging Journal

Rachel Cargle

Rachel Cargle’s IG post about manifesting

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-2-co-host-embodiment-journeys/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Co-Host Embodiment Journeys - EFTROU: S1, Ep2

Thu, 16 Sep 2021 16:58:45 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us: Season 1 , Episode 2: Co-Host Embodiment Journeys

In this episode, Jenn (she/her) and Chavonne (she/her) discuss their personal journeys of embodiment.

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of eating disorders and disordered eating, mention of mental health struggles, mention of unintentional weight loss, mention of substance use, mention of neurodiversity barriers

Trigger warnings:

5:09-8:37: Chavonne discusses her history with Overeaters Anonymous

10:27-11:45: Chavonne discusses her pregnancy weight loss

22:41-25:00: Jenn discusses being sexually assaulted and her subsequent changed relationship with food

26:17-28:53: Jenn discusses binging and restricting behaviors with food, alcohol use, and her history with alcohol use

35:08-35:26: Jenn discusses an experience with medical fatphobia

48:17-50:01: Chavonne discusses being sexually assaulted and her subsequent changed relationship with food

50:05-53:00: Jenn discusses stopping drinking and how it affected her sexuality and embodiment

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

3:49: Chavonne shares her embodiment journey

19:18: Jenn shares her embodiment journey

29:40: Jenn discusses how public health creates harm

Links from this episode:

Cognitive Dissonance

Colorism

Fiona Sutherland

Hunger by Roxane Gay

Illusory Truth Effect

Pima-Maricopa Tribe (CW: this link contains mention of the “o” words)

Marci Evans

Mixed-Type ADHD

Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment

Window of Tolerance

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Please follow us on social media:

https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-episode-1-co-host-interviews/#captions

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

Co-Host Interviews - EFTROU: S1, Ep1

Thu, 26 Aug 2021 08:10:17 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us - Season 1, Episode 1: Co-Host Interviews

In this episode, Chavonne (she/her) and Jenn (she/her) interview one another in order to introduce themselves to the audience!

Content Warning: discussion of privilege, mention of eating disorders, mention of mental health concerns

The captions for this episode can be found at

A few highlights:

2:29: Chavonne introduces herself

3:33: Correction: Chavonne has been a licensed clinical social worker since 2013

3:47: Correction: Chavonne says “making food with peace” when she meant “peace with food”

5:41: Jenn introduces herself

14:48: How Chavonne came up with this podcast

21:16: Why Jenn wanted to do this podcast, too

30:48 Correction: Jenn did not come up with this idea about HAES® being inside the Medical Industrial Complex, it came from Da’Shaun Harrison. Jenn also mispronounced their name. See link to Twitter thread below!

36:35: What “embodiment” and “the rest of us” mean to us

Links from this episode:

Da'Shaun Harrison's Twitter Thread: HAES®

Flow States

Kimberle Crenshaw's Twitter

Nothing About Us Without Us: Disability Oppression and Empowerment

Privilege Wheel

Yes Please by Amy Poehler

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

Make sure to follow us on social media:

Twitter: @embodimentus

Instagram: @embodimentfortherestofus

EFTROU Trailer: Season 1

Thu, 24 Jun 2021 09:06:12 -0600

Embodiment for the Rest of Us Trailer: Season 1

Embodiment for the Rest of Us premieres August 2021! Meet your hosts, Chavonne McClay (she/her) and Jenn Jackson (she/her), and learn what EFTROU will be all about.

Music: “Wheel of Karma” by Jason Shaw

The captions for this episode can be found at: https://embodimentfortherestofus.com/season-1/season-1-trailer/#captions

Captions

[Music Plays]

Chavonne (C): Hi, I’m Chavonne McClay.

Jenn (J): And I’m Jenn Jackson.

C: And this is Embodiment For The Rest of Us! Yay!

J: [squeals]

C: I’m so excited. [laughs]

J: We are.

C: I am a Black, fat woman and have been a Licensed Clinical Social Worker since 2010 and I’m really, really excited about this podcast. I have a private mental health practice called Unabridged Counseling and Coaching, LLC, and I live in Albuquerque, NM, on occupied Tiwa territory with my family, my husband and two kids. I--my clinical work focuses on healing relationships with food and your body and yourself as well as parental mental health. I--in all the work that I do, I make sure to center and hold space for those living in marginalized bodies and in marginalized spaces.

J: And I'm Jennifer “Jenn” Jackson. Call me Jenni, call me Jenn Jenn, call me anything you like, umm, this is just what I usually go by. I'm a Registered Dietitian and Nutritionist and Certified Intuitive Eating Counselor in Albuquerque, NM, on occupied Tiwa territory. I’m a provider in a white, fat body with ADHD and I have lived experience with diabetes as an adult. These connections that I've just mentioned inform my practice, Jenni K Nutrition LLC. Umm, and all the services that are offered, that I offer, are anti-oppressive, which includes, but is not limited to, anti-racist, fat positive, Health At Every Size®-aligned, queer-affirming, non-diet, nutritionally agnostic and food neutral, sex-positive, trauma-sensitive, from a neurodiversity approach, and both justice- and liberation-driven.

C: “Embodiment for the Rest of Us” is the name of this podcast, as we said before. We’d like to define what those two ideas mean to us. So, “embodiment” is the validation of the experience of every individual both within themselves and within the world. When we talk about “the rest of us", we are talking about those living in larger bodies and in marginalized spaces or are likewise blocked from defining their own existence.

J: Ooh, that’s good. And where can you find this podcast, “Embodiment For The Rest Of Us”? And that would be anywhere, everywhere, wherever you find your podcasts.

C: And our podcast will be ready for listening in late summer 2021 in August, which is really exciting!

J: [gasps] So exciting!

C: Yes!

J: It’s June right now as we’re recording this, so that’s not far off.

C: Yes.

J: And we’re about to start interviewing really soon and we are really excited.

C: Mm-hmm. Yes!

J: So why this topic, this podcast? We both listen to a lot of podcasts and we love really specific conversations about really similar topic happening sometimes on other podcasts, and what we're looking for is a discussion where this is happening all the time. So here we are making a podcast that’s by us, but also for us.

C: Yeah, kind of a one-stop shop.

J: Having the conversations we want to have. Umm, and we’re really excited! We’re going to say we’re excited a lot. And we also are really excited.

C: So much. We are. [laughs] Umm, how will this podcast progress? So, We will be interviewing professionals and those with lived experiences about these intersecting topics. It is also very important to us that this is an interaction with you, the listener! We are excited to be in active conversation with you, as we learn and unlearn.

J: Oh, and we cannot wait to be in conversation with you in August 2021!

[Music plays]

Make sure to follow us on social media: