Holly Knight and Joy Miller discuss government shutdown delays, rising construction costs, interest rate pressure, and why workforce housing has become one of the most urgent needs across the country. The conversation also explores how AI and technology are reshaping asset management, how RAD conversion continues to challenge housing authorities, and why community involvement—from robotics programs to resident relationships—matters just as much as closing deals.  

This episode offers a candid, inside look at the current state of affordable housing, lessons learned over the last five years, and how developers, housing authorities, and community leaders can think differently about the future.

From growing up in public housing himself to leading housing authorities across the country, Lundy shares the philosophy that has shaped his life’s work: housing should be a stabilizing force—not a permanent destination. He discusses the unintended consequences of well-meaning systems, the importance of self-sufficiency programs, and why meeting people where they are must always be paired with a clear path forward.

The conversation explores real-world outcomes—from Family Self-Sufficiency programs and homeownership to large-scale redevelopment, adaptive reuse, and public-private partnerships that preserve affordability for the long term. It’s an honest, grounded look at what it takes to move communities “up and out,” and why leadership, accountability, and belief in people still matter.

Through heartfelt storytelling, she reflects on how her lived experience shapes her approach to equitable housing, community development, and leadership. Adrian and Katie also explore how housing policy has evolved over the decades, the importance of connecting policy to people, and what the next generation of housing leaders must understand about balancing innovation with mission. This episode is a powerful look at the human side of affordable housing and the policies that shape it.

From rising construction costs and supply chain hurdles to financing strategies, tax credits, and public-private partnerships, Holly takes us inside the realities of development while reminding us that residents remain at the heart of every decision.

This candid conversation goes beyond the “bricks and sticks” to reveal how affordable housing can strengthen communities, uplift families, and create lasting impact.